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Pete Best.
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Green Day's original drummer left the band right before they recorded Kerplunk! And Tre Cool Joined.
Oops !
That must be awful...
" Well guys I don't see this going anywhere... i'm going to University instead..."
Couple years later Dookie sells 10 million copies.
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Clive Burr
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Dave Mustaine :neverusethis:
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Buddy Holly.
... Too soon?
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I always thought Derek Sherinian got a raw deal with Dream Theater. He joins the band after their original choice declined, gets to record an EP with them (a stellar one at that), then the studio doesn't allow them to record a new album for a year, finally let's them but with their influence, and the band has inner turmoil as a result. Then he gets kicked out when the band's first choice decides he wants to play with them this time, and they go on to release one of their most critically acclaimed albums with some stuff that he wrote on it. Jordan is my favorite keyboard player of all time and without him SDoIT, 8vm, and TCoT probably wouldn't have happened, but I wonder what they could have done had they stuck with Kevin past one album, especially considering the only other official release that he played on was freaking ACoS.
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Patrick Moraz
He played in two of the biggest prog rock bands of the 70s - Yes and the Moody Blues - and basically got the shaft from both.
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I always thought Derek Sherinian got a raw deal with Dream Theater.
I felt that he was actually lucky to join DT. It really catapulted and legitimized his career.
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Jason Becker
God bless him.
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I always thought Derek Sherinian got a raw deal with Dream Theater. He joins the band after their original choice declined, gets to record an EP with them (a stellar one at that), then the studio doesn't allow them to record a new album for a year, finally let's them but with their influence, and the band has inner turmoil as a result. Then he gets kicked out when the band's first choice decides he wants to play with them this time, and they go on to release one of their most critically acclaimed albums with some stuff that he wrote on it. Jordan is my favorite keyboard player of all time and without him SDoIT, 8vm, and TCoT probably wouldn't have happened, but I wonder what they could have done had they stuck with Kevin past one album, especially considering the only other official release that he played on was freaking ACoS.
I agree, he really arrived in the band in the wrong moment.
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Clive Burr
Two names come instantly to mind for me. Burr is one.
Randy Rhoads is the other. His passing at such a young age was not due to lifestyle choices (as has been the case with many others) but was simply bad luck. We can only begin to wonder at what such a talented, good looking and charismatic performer would have achieved by now if he were still alive. :huh: RIP
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Jason Becker
God bless him.
Was coming here to post this(apart from the God bless bit - I think it's pretty poor to say such a thing when if there is a God he is to blame for it in the first place) and say you can lock the thread. I know you Americans won't agree but proof that there is no god. Or there is a God and he was jealous of jason's talent?
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Jason Becker
God bless him.
You just made me sad.
I don't know if it's appropriate, but I think Criss Oliva would also qualify for the unlucky label. He pour his heart out on the Edge of Thorns record because of the pressure of carrying the load for Savatage after Jon Oliva took on a lighter role. Came out with the best guitar album of his career. Finally produced a charting hit for Savatage. Then BAM, got killed in an accident. Savatage would then morph into TSO which achieved the mainstream success that Savatage deserved.
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Jason Becker
God bless him.
So much this. Just imagine what a monster he would have been but for that effing ALS (he was already a monster, but you get what I mean)!
B.Lee
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Dave Mustaine :neverusethis:
Speaking of...
Ron McGovney
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Buddy Holly.
... Too soon?
I feel guilty for laughing my ass off. And so sorry I'm quoting it. :lol
Blaze Bayley get my vote. Now, he is successful, talented, intelligent, he sang in one of the world's biggest bands, some people love him, but damn, he's had his share of trouble.
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Jason Becker
God bless him.
Oh god, yeah. :(
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Blaze Bayley get my vote. Now, he is successful, talented, intelligent, he sang in one of the world's biggest bands, some people love him, but damn, he's had his share of trouble.
Blaze was actually the first one I thought of too funnily enough, and then probably the unluckiest is definitely Jason Becker. What a crime to humanity that that man got struck down with such a crippling disease.
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How about Brian Jones?
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John Rutsey
Even though he kind of followed his own path. He was more of a straight forward rock drummer, but liked to party and had diabetes.
A blessing in disguise to the band, their "new" drummer is pretty darn good..
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Joey Eppard and 3: just see Coheed's success, yet they predated them and Coheed's drummer Josh Eppard used to be 3's drummer, lol. Also listen to the ending of I want to say their debut album Paint By Number, and a voicemail kind of illustrates their bad luck with record labels.
Also how Roadrunner signed them after Progressive Nation in 2008, and then went on to drop them before they even made a record under the contract they signed.
Members of King's X..playing at Woodstock'94 could have made them a household name, yet it didn't
Members of Galactic Cowboys..they were being looked at by the same Geffen label people at the same audition as Nirvana. Both got signed, and Cobain was even quoted as saying they were better singers. But they were on Geffen for 2 albums, barely ever promoted, and then dropped.
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John "Stumpy" Pepys
Eric "Stumpy Joe" Childs
Peter "James" Bond
Mick Shrimpton
Joe "Mama" Besser
Richard "Ric" Shrimpton
Sammy "Stumpy" Bateman
Scott "Skippy" Scuffleton
Chris "Poppa" Cadeau
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John "Stumpy" Pepys
Eric "Stumpy Joe" Childs
Peter "James" Bond
Mick Shrimpton
Joe "Mama" Besser
Richard "Ric" Shrimpton
Sammy "Stumpy" Bateman
Scott "Skippy" Scuffleton
Chris "Poppa" Cadeau
Well-played.
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Definitely Randy Rhoads
He was a god to me as a young guitar player and still is. That god damn plane...
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Definitely Randy Rhoads
He was a god to me as a young guitar player and still is. That god damn plane...
Ditto that/
I suppose Mark Stone - original bass player for Mammoth (later Van Halen) - could be considered pretty unlucky.
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I remember they interviewed Mark Stone in one of the Van Halen DVDs and he seemed okay with it. He didn't really want to be in a band, if I remember correctly. He's performed with the cover band, Fan Halen.
Concerning Buddy Holly, the one thing that always sticks with me is the autopsy report saying Lacerated Scrotum. I grew up hearing about that crash a lot because my uncle was a big Buddy fan
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John Rutsey
Even though he kind of followed his own path. He was more of a straight forward rock drummer, but liked to party and had diabetes.
A blessing in disguise to the band, their "new" drummer is pretty darn good..
Don't know if Rutsey was unlucky, in that I cannot conceive of Rush achieving what they did musically and commercially if he had remained in the band rather than them recruiting the "new" guy.
A few others I would put in the same category (ie not unlucky, but rather, if they had remained in the lineup, the band would not have achieved what they did.)
Dianno being replaced by Dickinson.
Rod Evans makes way for Gillan (Deep Purple - the 3rd studio album is my favourite in the band's entire discography, but they would never have achieved what they did as a band if Evans had remained vocalist).
Kaye replaced by Wakeman (I cannot imagine Yes recording Fragile and CttE without Wakeman's input)
Peter Banks makes way for Steve Howe
Mayhew gets the chop from Genesis, who go on to replace him with Collins.
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Good post bundy! I guess the same could be said for DT, after they got JLB they soared to new heights with Images and Words. Perfect voice for their music.
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Jason Becker
God bless him.
Was coming here to post this(apart from the God bless bit - I think it's pretty poor to say such a thing when if there is a God he is to blame for it in the first place) and say you can lock the thread. I know you Americans won't agree but proof that there is no god. Or there is a God and he was jealous of jason's talent?
How do you know it's not a blessing? How do you know he's not being used as an inspiration for others to pursue their talent? How do you know that there's not a bigger purpose?
Using that one event as proof of whether there is a God or not simply shows how little we as humans can see of the bigger picture.
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:hefdaddyu
Jason Becker
God bless him.
Was coming here to post this(apart from the God bless bit - I think it's pretty poor to say such a thing when if there is a God he is to blame for it in the first place) and say you can lock the thread. I know you Americans won't agree but proof that there is no god. Or there is a God and he was jealous of jason's talent?
How do you know it's not a blessing? How do you know he's not being used as an inspiration for others to pursue their talent? How do you know that there's not a bigger purpose?
Using that one event as proof of whether there is a God or not simply shows how little we as humans can see of the bigger picture.
Show me even the slightest bit of proof for any of this and I'll consider it. But that's against the rules. And someone has to suffer for this? Your god is sick and twisted if that is the case. Jason inspired many without having this curse, and he's inspired many, including me, with his response to it, which might sound like it supports your idea. But that is a really sick idea and it amazes me that religious people can think that their god choosing to do something this awful to someone for the benefit o others is ok
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I'd say James Labrie. I love James and DT isn't DT without him...he's a part of their sound. But that food poisoning that ruptured his chords from vomiting so severely was just horrid luck. He was in a no win situation with them set to tour for AWAKE and the Dr. telling him NOT to sing for an extended period of time. He did...doing it for the band (and I assume his livelihood) and it forever altered his voice...his instrument.
I've enjoyed and love every musical output from DT and James....even James side stuff.....but you have to wonder what would have been had he not gotten food poisoning as far as the strength of his voice.
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:hefdaddyuJason Becker
God bless him.
Was coming here to post this(apart from the God bless bit - I think it's pretty poor to say such a thing when if there is a God he is to blame for it in the first place) and say you can lock the thread. I know you Americans won't agree but proof that there is no god. Or there is a God and he was jealous of jason's talent?
How do you know it's not a blessing? How do you know he's not being used as an inspiration for others to pursue their talent? How do you know that there's not a bigger purpose?
Using that one event as proof of whether there is a God or not simply shows how little we as humans can see of the bigger picture.
Show me even the slightest bit of proof for any of this and I'll consider it. But that's against the rules. And someone has to suffer for this? Your god is sick and twisted if that is the case. Jason inspired many without having this curse, and he's inspired many, including me, with his response to it, which might sound like it supports your idea. But that is a really sick idea and it amazes me that religious people can think that their god choosing to do something this awful to someone for the benefit o others is ok
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I'd say James Labrie. I love James and DT isn't DT without him...he's a part of their sound. But that food poisoning that ruptured his chords from vomiting so severely was just horrid luck. He was in a no win situation with them set to tour for AWAKE and the Dr. telling him NOT to sing for an extended period of time. He did...doing it for the band (and I assume his livelihood) and it forever altered his voice...his instrument.
I've enjoyed and love every musical output from DT and James....even James side stuff.....but you have to wonder what would have been had he not gotten food poisoning as far as the strength of his voice.
Honestly, I think his whole vocal incident thing has been blown way out of proportion. Yes, it affected the few years since it happened, but he has himself admitted a long time ago that he completely recovered. It's not like he'd sound like he did on I&W. If the accident never happened, he'd most likely sound exactly like he does right now.
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I'd say James Labrie. I love James and DT isn't DT without him...he's a part of their sound. But that food poisoning that ruptured his chords from vomiting so severely was just horrid luck. He was in a no win situation with them set to tour for AWAKE and the Dr. telling him NOT to sing for an extended period of time. He did...doing it for the band (and I assume his livelihood) and it forever altered his voice...his instrument.
I've enjoyed and love every musical output from DT and James....even James side stuff.....but you have to wonder what would have been had he not gotten food poisoning as far as the strength of his voice.
Honestly, I think his whole vocal incident thing has been blown way out of proportion. Yes, it affected the few years since it happened, but he has himself admitted a long time ago that he completely recovered. It's not like he'd sound like he did on I&W. If the accident never happened, he'd most likely sound exactly like he does right now.
Agreed, Adami. It's become this legendary event among many DT fans, but it's not like we're talking about Bo Jackson destroying his hip or something.
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I'd say James Labrie. I love James and DT isn't DT without him...he's a part of their sound. But that food poisoning that ruptured his chords from vomiting so severely was just horrid luck. He was in a no win situation with them set to tour for AWAKE and the Dr. telling him NOT to sing for an extended period of time. He did...doing it for the band (and I assume his livelihood) and it forever altered his voice...his instrument.
I've enjoyed and love every musical output from DT and James....even James side stuff.....but you have to wonder what would have been had he not gotten food poisoning as far as the strength of his voice.
Honestly, I think his whole vocal incident thing has been blown way out of proportion. Yes, it affected the few years since it happened, but he has himself admitted a long time ago that he completely recovered. It's not like he'd sound like he did on I&W. If the accident never happened, he'd most likely sound exactly like he does right now.
Agreed, Adami. It's become this legendary event among many DT fans, but it's not like we're talking about Bo Jackson destroying his hip or something.
By now I think he has healed as much as he is ever going to, but that is not to say it healed to the full capacity that it was before the incident. Sometimes things never go back to 100% regardless of how much time has passed. I'm not talking about his singing, but his actual vocal cord.
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I'd say James Labrie. I love James and DT isn't DT without him...he's a part of their sound. But that food poisoning that ruptured his chords from vomiting so severely was just horrid luck. He was in a no win situation with them set to tour for AWAKE and the Dr. telling him NOT to sing for an extended period of time. He did...doing it for the band (and I assume his livelihood) and it forever altered his voice...his instrument.
I've enjoyed and love every musical output from DT and James....even James side stuff.....but you have to wonder what would have been had he not gotten food poisoning as far as the strength of his voice.
Honestly, I think his whole vocal incident thing has been blown way out of proportion. Yes, it affected the few years since it happened, but he has himself admitted a long time ago that he completely recovered. It's not like he'd sound like he did on I&W. If the accident never happened, he'd most likely sound exactly like he does right now.
Agreed, Adami. It's become this legendary event among many DT fans, but it's not like we're talking about Bo Jackson destroying his hip or something.
By now I think he has healed as much as he is ever going to, but that is not to say it healed to the full capacity that it was before the incident. Sometimes things never go back to 100% regardless of how much time has passed. I'm not talking about his singing, but his actual vocal cord.
Sure it's healed by now or even after a couple years, but there's no way it didn't impact his ability. It was a pretty big injury. Did he recover and learn how to reuse and retrain his voice, yeah. But it did cost him....what and how much we will never know.
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Sure, but like I said, the James we hear now is pretty much how he'd sound if there were no accident. The FII and SFAM tours may have been a bit better though.
The rest of it was James not taking care of his voice in the early 2000's.
How do I know he'd sound the same? I asked Hef (PBUH), and in his drunken state, he unwittingly shared with me a glimpse into his cosmic awareness.
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I'd say James Labrie. I love James and DT isn't DT without him...he's a part of their sound. But that food poisoning that ruptured his chords from vomiting so severely was just horrid luck. He was in a no win situation with them set to tour for AWAKE and the Dr. telling him NOT to sing for an extended period of time. He did...doing it for the band (and I assume his livelihood) and it forever altered his voice...his instrument.
I've enjoyed and love every musical output from DT and James....even James side stuff.....but you have to wonder what would have been had he not gotten food poisoning as far as the strength of his voice.
Honestly, I think his whole vocal incident thing has been blown way out of proportion. Yes, it affected the few years since it happened, but he has himself admitted a long time ago that he completely recovered. It's not like he'd sound like he did on I&W. If the accident never happened, he'd most likely sound exactly like he does right now.
Agreed, Adami. It's become this legendary event among many DT fans, but it's not like we're talking about Bo Jackson destroying his hip or something.
By now I think he has healed as much as he is ever going to, but that is not to say it healed to the full capacity that it was before the incident. Sometimes things never go back to 100% regardless of how much time has passed. I'm not talking about his singing, but his actual vocal cord.
Sure it's healed by now or even after a couple years, but there's no way it didn't impact his ability. It was a pretty big injury. Did he recover and learn how to reuse and retrain his voice, yeah. But it did cost him....what and how much we will never know.
I'm agreeing with you. Unless you're just echoing my sentiments. I'm just saying that nobody here can say that his vocal cord healed to where it was before the incident, unless they're staring at a before and after of the cords themselves.
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I'd say James Labrie. I love James and DT isn't DT without him...he's a part of their sound. But that food poisoning that ruptured his chords from vomiting so severely was just horrid luck. He was in a no win situation with them set to tour for AWAKE and the Dr. telling him NOT to sing for an extended period of time. He did...doing it for the band (and I assume his livelihood) and it forever altered his voice...his instrument.
I've enjoyed and love every musical output from DT and James....even James side stuff.....but you have to wonder what would have been had he not gotten food poisoning as far as the strength of his voice.
Honestly, I think his whole vocal incident thing has been blown way out of proportion. Yes, it affected the few years since it happened, but he has himself admitted a long time ago that he completely recovered. It's not like he'd sound like he did on I&W. If the accident never happened, he'd most likely sound exactly like he does right now.
Agreed, Adami. It's become this legendary event among many DT fans, but it's not like we're talking about Bo Jackson destroying his hip or something.
By now I think he has healed as much as he is ever going to, but that is not to say it healed to the full capacity that it was before the incident. Sometimes things never go back to 100% regardless of how much time has passed. I'm not talking about his singing, but his actual vocal cord.
Sure it's healed by now or even after a couple years, but there's no way it didn't impact his ability. It was a pretty big injury. Did he recover and learn how to reuse and retrain his voice, yeah. But it did cost him....what and how much we will never know.
I'm agreeing with you. Unless you're just echoing my sentiments. I'm just saying that nobody here can say that his vocal cord healed to where it was before the incident, unless they're staring at a before and after of the cords themselves.
Echoing..... :tup
And Adami, I agree his voice would be more or less the same as this point due to age and use, but I do think he was robbed in a way of a few years there where his output could have been different. Especially live. I'd be willing to bet some of the lack of effort in maintaining and developing his voice came from a bit of depression and him lamenting over the injury.
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:hefdaddyuJason Becker
God bless him.
Was coming here to post this(apart from the God bless bit - I think it's pretty poor to say such a thing when if there is a God he is to blame for it in the first place) and say you can lock the thread. I know you Americans won't agree but proof that there is no god. Or there is a God and he was jealous of jason's talent?
How do you know it's not a blessing? How do you know he's not being used as an inspiration for others to pursue their talent? How do you know that there's not a bigger purpose?
Using that one event as proof of whether there is a God or not simply shows how little we as humans can see of the bigger picture.
Show me even the slightest bit of proof for any of this and I'll consider it. But that's against the rules. And someone has to suffer for this? Your god is sick and twisted if that is the case. Jason inspired many without having this curse, and he's inspired many, including me, with his response to it, which might sound like it supports your idea. But that is a really sick idea and it amazes me that religious people can think that their god choosing to do something this awful to someone for the benefit o others is ok
I'm not at all arguing the existence (or not) of God. I am saying that you (and not YOU personally, but ANY human) is likely not in the position to be making all the pronouncements that you (personally) are making. You a) have incomplete information, and b) are fallible. I have no idea if there is a God or not (I do believe there is) and am not at all interested in proving to anyone whether there is or not. I am, though, fascinated by the persistent - and as unsubstantiated as the existence (or not) of God - belief that YOU of all people, understand the cosmic balance enough to determine - without your own proof - that somehow "Jason is suffering at the hands of a cruel God" and that there is not some cosmic offset somewhere else.
Again, not arguing at all about God. Arguing that you - because of your species - is incapable of making the definitive conclusions that you are making. Read Stephen King's 11/22/63 if you question what I'm saying.
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And Adami, I agree his voice would be more or less the same as this point due to age and use, but I do think he was robbed in a way of a few years there where his output could have been different. Especially live. I'd be willing to bet some of the lack of effort in maintaining and developing his voice came from a bit of depression and him lamenting over the injury.
I agree with this. He was in his prime and the incident robbed him of a successful line of albums and tours sang the Live at the Marquee (or a little less insane) way.
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:hefdaddyuJason Becker
God bless him.
Was coming here to post this(apart from the God bless bit - I think it's pretty poor to say such a thing when if there is a God he is to blame for it in the first place) and say you can lock the thread. I know you Americans won't agree but proof that there is no god. Or there is a God and he was jealous of jason's talent?
How do you know it's not a blessing? How do you know he's not being used as an inspiration for others to pursue their talent? How do you know that there's not a bigger purpose?
Using that one event as proof of whether there is a God or not simply shows how little we as humans can see of the bigger picture.
Show me even the slightest bit of proof for any of this and I'll consider it. But that's against the rules. And someone has to suffer for this? Your god is sick and twisted if that is the case. Jason inspired many without having this curse, and he's inspired many, including me, with his response to it, which might sound like it supports your idea. But that is a really sick idea and it amazes me that religious people can think that their god choosing to do something this awful to someone for the benefit o others is ok
I'm not at all arguing the existence (or not) of God. I am saying that you (and not YOU personally, but ANY human) is likely not in the position to be making all the pronouncements that you (personally) are making. You a) have incomplete information, and b) are fallible. I have no idea if there is a God or not (I do believe there is) and am not at all interested in proving to anyone whether there is or not. I am, though, fascinated by the persistent - and as unsubstantiated as the existence (or not) of God - belief that YOU of all people, understand the cosmic balance enough to determine - without your own proof - that somehow "Jason is suffering at the hands of a cruel God" and that there is not some cosmic offset somewhere else.
Again, not arguing at all about God. Arguing that you - because of your species - is incapable of making the definitive conclusions that you are making. Read Stephen King's 11/22/63 if you question what I'm saying.
Not looking to pick any fights, this certainly isn't the place for it and nothing good ever comes of it. I do get a bit carried away on the subject. i don't believe in god (surprise surprise :biggrin:) and feel as strongly about that as religious people do their belief.
i dont have the knowledge to disprove god as you say, but where there is any attempt at proving a theory I'll take that over Blind Faith, every time. There, I brought it back to music at least.
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Jimmy Gnecco and Ours
Considering a number of things:
1. He and what became his band Ours was pursued heavily by Major Labels for much of the 1990's, until he finally signed with Dreamworks and released their debut album Distorted Lullabies in 2001.
2. Jimmy sang on the Spiderman 2 Soundtrack for the song "Someone to Die For" with Brian May of all people.
3. Slash and Duff McCagan wanted to work with Jimmy Gnecco for many years, after playing some shows together. And when Scott Weiland left (got kicked out?) Velvet Revolver in 2008, there was some speculation he would join Velvet Revolver, including after a Benefit Gig not that long before Weiland rejoined.
4. Jimmy Gnecco was well known among fans of Jeff Buckley, even though he only knew Jeff for a brief period and worked as a guitar tech for a little while. The Buckley fans got to know him well, and as Jeff Buckley became more well known since his death, Jimmy Gnecco's association with him would logically allow Jimmy and Ours to gain a lot more exposure, which they may have, but not to the same degree of Jeff Buckley's posthumous fame.
5. Lana Del Rey named a song after him, "Jimmy Necco" lol. As she's become more famous, you'd think that would have led to his own luck, even after Jimmy opened as a solo act for her. But has it? not exactly.
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mike portnoy :neverusethis:
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Pete Best was a good start.
Taking a different rout, I would say Syd Barrett and Sly Stone.
As to deaths, John Lennon, Freddie Mercury, some members and crew of Lynyrd Skynyrd , Terry Kath, Michael Hutchence, Randy Rhoads, Harry Chapin, Cozy Powell, and, of course, Jim, Jimi, Janis, Bonham, Moon......
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:hefdaddyuJason Becker
God bless him.
Was coming here to post this(apart from the God bless bit - I think it's pretty poor to say such a thing when if there is a God he is to blame for it in the first place) and say you can lock the thread. I know you Americans won't agree but proof that there is no god. Or there is a God and he was jealous of jason's talent?
How do you know it's not a blessing? How do you know he's not being used as an inspiration for others to pursue their talent? How do you know that there's not a bigger purpose?
Using that one event as proof of whether there is a God or not simply shows how little we as humans can see of the bigger picture.
Show me even the slightest bit of proof for any of this and I'll consider it. But that's against the rules. And someone has to suffer for this? Your god is sick and twisted if that is the case. Jason inspired many without having this curse, and he's inspired many, including me, with his response to it, which might sound like it supports your idea. But that is a really sick idea and it amazes me that religious people can think that their god choosing to do something this awful to someone for the benefit o others is ok
I'm not at all arguing the existence (or not) of God. I am saying that you (and not YOU personally, but ANY human) is likely not in the position to be making all the pronouncements that you (personally) are making. You a) have incomplete information, and b) are fallible. I have no idea if there is a God or not (I do believe there is) and am not at all interested in proving to anyone whether there is or not. I am, though, fascinated by the persistent - and as unsubstantiated as the existence (or not) of God - belief that YOU of all people, understand the cosmic balance enough to determine - without your own proof - that somehow "Jason is suffering at the hands of a cruel God" and that there is not some cosmic offset somewhere else.
Again, not arguing at all about God. Arguing that you - because of your species - is incapable of making the definitive conclusions that you are making. Read Stephen King's 11/22/63 if you question what I'm saying.
Not looking to pick any fights, this certainly isn't the place for it and nothing good ever comes of it. I do get a bit carried away on the subject. i don't believe in god (surprise surprise :biggrin:) and feel as strongly about that as religious people do their belief.
i dont have the knowledge to disprove god as you say, but where there is any attempt at proving a theory I'll take that over Blind Faith, every time. There, I brought it back to music at least.
Haha, nicely done!
No fight here; it's not personal, it's just a discussion of ideas (albeit one, as you note, that is probably in the wrong place). I admire your beliefs, and the strength to which you believe them. I really do. I wish I did about God; I believe there is one, but I certainly do understand the counter argument. I'm just fascinated by the discussion, because to me BOTH sides have to be very careful not to rely on rickety logical premises.
Peace! (And for the record, Blind Faith the band is woefully underrated, and Blind Faith the song is one of my favorites on the 6 Degrees album).
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Kevin Gilbert, anyone? Released one of the best prog-pop albums of the early 90s with Toy Matinee that went virtually unnoticed. Co-wrote All I Wanna Do which became a big hit for his ex-girlfriend. In the running to join Genesis, only to be found dead aged 29.
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Kevin Gilbert, anyone? Released one of the best prog-pop albums of the early 90s with Toy Matinee that went virtually unnoticed. Co-wrote All I Wanna Do which became a big hit for his ex-girlfriend. In the running to join Genesis, only to be found dead aged 29.
100000000% agreed on Kevin, although I kind of have come to believe Kevin found his own fate, and had he not died, he would have not have worked best being famous. Kind of like Matt Mahaffey. Brilliant musician, whose been able to work in hollywood and with other musicians as much as making his own, on his own terms.
But the unlucky part of Kevin is his music still is out there to be found to a wider audience than it has. See people like Nick Drake or Jeff Buckley even, etc.
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It's clearly Kotowboy
I've made £150 in total from all the music i've ever done :biggrin:
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One that recently comes to mind....Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal. Solid guitarist who couldn't get his solo career together, then had a failed run with Guns N Roses, then started Art of Anarchy with Scott Weiland who then died and now has to deal with Scott Stapp as his lead vocalist :lol
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One that recently comes to mind....Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal. Solid guitarist who couldn't get his solo career together, then had a failed run with Guns N Roses, then started Art of Anarchy with Scott Weiland who then died and now has to deal with Scott Stapp as his lead vocalist :lol
Rose, Weiland, Stapp.
That's not bad luck , that's masochism ;D
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Syd Barrett
Pete Best
Tracii Guns
Brian Jones and many other 27 year olds....
and Spinal Tap
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Steven Adler.
Although I'm not sure self-sabotage=unlucky.
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One that recently comes to mind....Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal. Solid guitarist who couldn't get his solo career together, then had a failed run with Guns N Roses, then started Art of Anarchy with Scott Weiland who then died and now has to deal with Scott Stapp as his lead vocalist :lol
Hasn't he also had multiple bouts with cancer?
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Syd Barrett
Pete Best
Tracii Guns
Brian Jones and many other 27 year olds....
and Spinal Tap
Steven Adler.
Although I'm not sure self-sabotage=unlucky.
Agree with that Adami. Poor lifestyle choices including ridiculously excessive consumption of drugs and alcohol, don't equate to being unlucky. That's why I wouldn't put the names above and others such as Bon Scott and Peter Green in the unluckiest musicians category.
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One that recently comes to mind....Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal. Solid guitarist who couldn't get his solo career together, then had a failed run with Guns N Roses, then started Art of Anarchy with Scott Weiland who then died and now has to deal with Scott Stapp as his lead vocalist :lol
Hasn't he also had multiple bouts with cancer?
Yeah, I saw him with G'n'R in Philly on the Chinese Democracy "Club Tour" leg, and he clearly wasn't right, because he kept leaving the stage. The band played over three hours nonstop (Axl only left the stage for Dizzy's solo piece and a short break before the encore) but Thal was off stage for entire songs, even longer. He was on maybe half the set. Though he did do his solo piece, and it was KILLER, best one of the night, in my opinion.
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Just thought of an instance.
The two "other" guys in Animals As Leaders. Tosin Abasi is one of the most iconic figures in modern prog, and I (and many others) don't even know the names of the other guys. They're all incredibly talented but Tosin gets all the love.
That said, unlucky might be the wrong word for that.
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^ isn't that usually the case with a band where there's a band-leader that gets all the attention? Abasi is just this insane guitarist that pretty much steals the show anyway and the same thing can be said about the casual Opeth or Steven Wilson fan. Hell, the latter's band changes so often that I sometimes get mixed up who's playing. Do you know the names of all the Devin Townsend Project members? Ulver members apart from Kristoffer Rygg?
But yeah, I have no idea who the other AAL-members are either :lol
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Just thought of an instance.
The two "other" guys in Animals As Leaders. Tosin Abasi is one of the most iconic figures in modern prog, and I (and many others) don't even know the names of the other guys. They're all incredibly talented but Tosin gets all the love.
That said, unlucky might be the wrong word for that.
Hah, it's funny you say that. I saw a live video of Animals As Leaders the other day and my initial thought was "I'm here to watch Tosin" but I ended up being blown away by their drummer, he totally stole the show for me in that moment. I had no freaking clue who the guy was until I Googled him after that. :lol
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Just thought of an instance.
The two "other" guys in Animals As Leaders. Tosin Abasi is one of the most iconic figures in modern prog, and I (and many others) don't even know the names of the other guys. They're all incredibly talented but Tosin gets all the love.
That said, unlucky might be the wrong word for that.
Reminds me of the band Sacred Mother Tongue. Everyone wanks over Andy James and nobody else in the band ever gets a single mention.
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It's clearly Kotowboy
I've made £150 in total from all the music i've ever done :biggrin:
:emo: And DJs get paid thousands just to arrive at a beach and press play and wave they hands in the air like they just dont care
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The two "other" guys in Animals As Leaders. Tosin Abasi is one of the most iconic figures in modern prog, and I (and many others) don't even know the names of the other guys.
wow i used to like you
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Just thought of an instance.
The two "other" guys in Animals As Leaders. Tosin Abasi is one of the most iconic figures in modern prog, and I (and many others) don't even know the names of the other guys. They're all incredibly talented but Tosin gets all the love.
That said, unlucky might be the wrong word for that.
Would it be a bad thing to suggest that calling Tosin Abasi "one of the most iconic figures in modern prog" a little bit of a stretch? It's not as if he's a household name, or even a "oh, THAT guy!" in a band that people have heard and maybe just don't know the ins and outs. Even with the limitation of "modern prog", I can think of five guys that probably deserve that mantle more.
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not that he doesn't have a successful music career, but......
(https://ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2012/10/Rick-Allen.jpg)
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It's funny that Rick Allen designed a kit he could play with only one arm...
Yet his drum parts - any drummer could play one handed :p :p
4/4 backbeats at 120 BPM
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Just thought of an instance.
The two "other" guys in Animals As Leaders. Tosin Abasi is one of the most iconic figures in modern prog, and I (and many others) don't even know the names of the other guys. They're all incredibly talented but Tosin gets all the love.
That said, unlucky might be the wrong word for that.
Would it be a bad thing to suggest that calling Tosin Abasi "one of the most iconic figures in modern prog" a little bit of a stretch? It's not as if he's a household name, or even a "oh, THAT guy!" in a band that people have heard and maybe just don't know the ins and outs. Even with the limitation of "modern prog", I can think of five guys that probably deserve that mantle more.
Fair enough. Our definitions of modern prog probably vary a lot then.
Just thought of an instance.
The two "other" guys in Animals As Leaders. Tosin Abasi is one of the most iconic figures in modern prog, and I (and many others) don't even know the names of the other guys. They're all incredibly talented but Tosin gets all the love.
That said, unlucky might be the wrong word for that.
Hah, it's funny you say that. I saw a live video of Animals As Leaders the other day and my initial thought was "I'm here to watch Tosin" but I ended up being blown away by their drummer, he totally stole the show for me in that moment. I had no freaking clue who the guy was until I Googled him after that. :lol
I'm not too familiar with the band but the few videos I've seen of them on youtube, the drummer has great energy. And needless to say, he is incredibly talented, which should be a given for anyone who has been in that band some point in time.
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Just thought of an instance.
The two "other" guys in Animals As Leaders. Tosin Abasi is one of the most iconic figures in modern prog, and I (and many others) don't even know the names of the other guys. They're all incredibly talented but Tosin gets all the love.
That said, unlucky might be the wrong word for that.
The only reason I first found out their first names was because of the music video for Physical Education. :lol
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It's funny that Rick Allen designed a kit he could play with only one arm...
Yet his drum parts - any drummer could play one handed :p :p
4/4 backbeats at 120 BPM
Fair point in terms of the music, but I went years thinking that he was just using triggers and was little more than a DJ with a back beat back there. But I saw them with Kiss last year (maybe the year before now?) and he played every note. It wasn't Mangini, but it was really good, and when I explained to my daughter the back story (I can actually remember getting the news he was in an accident; at first the fear was he was dead) she was pretty damn impressed.
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It's funny that Rick Allen designed a kit he could play with only one arm...
Yet his drum parts - any drummer could play one handed :p :p
4/4 backbeats at 120 BPM
Fair point in terms of the music, but I went years thinking that he was just using triggers and was little more than a DJ with a back beat back there. But I saw them with Kiss last year (maybe the year before now?) and he played every note. It wasn't Mangini, but it was really good, and when I explained to my daughter the back story (I can actually remember getting the news he was in an accident; at first the fear was he was dead) she was pretty damn impressed.
It was pretty shocking at the time. I was at Donington Monsters of Rock when he made his comeback (I know he'd played a warm up gig first in Holland or somewhere). He got a pretty amazing response.
I'd say he was a fairly lucky musician rather than unlucky. The accident was his fault but the band could have ditched him. Many in their position would have. They were coming off the back of a huge album and that huge delay before Hysteria could have killed their momentum.
Def Leppard as a band were certainly unlucky in some respects (the crash, Steve Clarke's death - again self inflicted), but they were huge so I guess there's two sides to the luck coin.
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For me it makes them very likeable. Every major band has to have their "asshole", or if you'd rather, the "backbone" (since I din't think any of these guys are "assholes" per se; the guy that makes the hard decisions, and pushes the band to the next level when they need it. Maiden: Steve Harris. DT: Mike Portnoy Yes: Jon Anderson U2: Larry Mullen, Jr. Bruce Springsteen: Bruce Springsteen Black Sabbath: Tony Iommi
For Def Leppard, it's Joe Elliott. I got into them with High n Dry, and still wish (a little bit) that they'd kept the harder edges, but they didn't, and yet, I still buy every record, because I feel like they made the commitment. They didn't ditch Rick when he got hurt, they didn't ditch Steve when he was clearly taking his own road, they didn't ditch Viv when he got sick... and yet, they still tour arenas without an album, and when they do put out an album, it still moves a decent number of units (albeit not Hysteria numbers). I dunno; we talk a lot here about "in a perfect world, Stephen Wilson (or insert your own obscure prog musician) would be where Taylor Swift is" and I personally think that's a bullshit argument, but I think Def Leppard is that case. Good guys, decent human beings, and they hit it big without too many compromises (Pyromania and Hysteria are poppier, but I don't view them as "compromises"; in fact, they were pretty big risks at the time).
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For Def Leppard, it's Joe Elliott. I got into them with High n Dry, and still wish (a little bit) that they'd kept the harder edges, but they didn't, and yet, I still buy every record, because I feel like they made the commitment. They didn't ditch Rick when he got hurt, they didn't ditch Steve when he was clearly taking his own road, they didn't ditch Viv when he got sick... and yet, they still tour arenas without an album, and when they do put out an album, it still moves a decent number of units (albeit not Hysteria numbers). I dunno; we talk a lot here about "in a perfect world, Stephen Wilson (or insert your own obscure prog musician) would be where Taylor Swift is" and I personally think that's a bullshit argument, but I think Def Leppard is that case. Good guys, decent human beings, and they hit it big without too many compromises (Pyromania and Hysteria are poppier, but I don't view them as "compromises"; in fact, they were pretty big risks at the time).
I also got into them with High n Dry. Still a favorite of mine. Pyromania was my first concert! Though I saw the Hysteria tour a number of times, I thought that album was terrible. I've given them a number of chances over the years, but their albums are unlistenable to me.
Though I will say I made it through their most recent album on Spotify without puking.
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For Def Leppard, it's Joe Elliott. I got into them with High n Dry, and still wish (a little bit) that they'd kept the harder edges, but they didn't, and yet, I still buy every record, because I feel like they made the commitment. They didn't ditch Rick when he got hurt, they didn't ditch Steve when he was clearly taking his own road, they didn't ditch Viv when he got sick... and yet, they still tour arenas without an album, and when they do put out an album, it still moves a decent number of units (albeit not Hysteria numbers). I dunno; we talk a lot here about "in a perfect world, Stephen Wilson (or insert your own obscure prog musician) would be where Taylor Swift is" and I personally think that's a bullshit argument, but I think Def Leppard is that case. Good guys, decent human beings, and they hit it big without too many compromises (Pyromania and Hysteria are poppier, but I don't view them as "compromises"; in fact, they were pretty big risks at the time).
I also got into them with High n Dry. Still a favorite of mine. Pyromania was my first concert! Though I saw the Hysteria tour a number of times, I thought that album was terrible. I've given them a number of chances over the years, but their albums are unlistenable to me.
Though I will say I made it through their most recent album on Spotify without puking.
For whatever reason, I loved Hysteria. I had all the 7" singles, with the excellent b-sides, and carried around a cassette tape that I later dubbed into .mp3 so I could listen in the car (they were finally released on the expanded Hysteria). Some of the recent stuff, well, there's always one or two songs that are a little too... radio for me, but I like pop music, and they write good melodies, so there is always a song or two that surprises.
It wasn't my first ever, but probably one of the first, I saw them OPEN for Billy Squier, and as good as Squier was (I'm a big fan of him as well) Leppard blew them off the stage. It wasn't even close, in my opinion.
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The only one I can think of is Cliff Burton.
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For Def Leppard, it's Joe Elliott. I got into them with High n Dry, and still wish (a little bit) that they'd kept the harder edges, but they didn't, and yet, I still buy every record, because I feel like they made the commitment. They didn't ditch Rick when he got hurt, they didn't ditch Steve when he was clearly taking his own road, they didn't ditch Viv when he got sick... and yet, they still tour arenas without an album, and when they do put out an album, it still moves a decent number of units (albeit not Hysteria numbers). I dunno; we talk a lot here about "in a perfect world, Stephen Wilson (or insert your own obscure prog musician) would be where Taylor Swift is" and I personally think that's a bullshit argument, but I think Def Leppard is that case. Good guys, decent human beings, and they hit it big without too many compromises (Pyromania and Hysteria are poppier, but I don't view them as "compromises"; in fact, they were pretty big risks at the time).
I also got into them with High n Dry. Still a favorite of mine. Pyromania was my first concert! Though I saw the Hysteria tour a number of times, I thought that album was terrible. I've given them a number of chances over the years, but their albums are unlistenable to me.
Though I will say I made it through their most recent album on Spotify without puking.
For whatever reason, I loved Hysteria. I had all the 7" singles, with the excellent b-sides, and carried around a cassette tape that I later dubbed into .mp3 so I could listen in the car (they were finally released on the expanded Hysteria). Some of the recent stuff, well, there's always one or two songs that are a little too... radio for me, but I like pop music, and they write good melodies, so there is always a song or two that surprises.
It wasn't my first ever, but probably one of the first, I saw them OPEN for Billy Squier, and as good as Squier was (I'm a big fan of him as well) Leppard blew them off the stage. It wasn't even close, in my opinion.
I like them. Haven't liked an album since Adrenalize though. I had the first album when it came out, having liked Get Ya Rocks Off on the Axe Attack compilation.
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Syd Barrett
Pete Best
Tracii Guns
Brian Jones and many other 27 year olds....
and Spinal Tap
A shame one can't check mark a 'like' for posts. This one cracked me up. Well done.
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The founder of Savatage and TSO.