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Title: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest [Prize Delivered]
Post by: Evermind on January 11, 2017, 12:01:37 PM
Welcome to the Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor Prediction Contest, everyone! Before you (maybe) go ahead and read this lengthy wall of text, please take a few seconds to read a note from me as the contest host. The note is posted right in the next paragraph.

Note from the organizer (me): before I begin with all the contest rules, eligibility rules, prizes and other sections, let me just address one thing. As an organizer, I’d like to encourage everyone to vote in all the polls to come as if this Contest doesn’t exist. Since this Contest offers real prizes to the winner, I guess some of you guys may consider the idea of the voting beneficial to your predictions. I have no means to prevent that, as it is your own vote and you’re free to do with it as you please, but if you’d like to play it fair, just make your votes based on your usual Survivors strategy, without taking anyone’s predictions into consideration. I don’t want this Survivor to be built around this Contest; but I’d like to have something different and exciting running along the Survivor, which would encourage more people to participate, have fun, and maybe discover more Arjen-related albums.

To learn what this whole thread is about, just keep reading section by section.

Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor — Prediction Contest

General Rules




Eligibility


Predictions


Advice: don’t leave any of the predictions blank. At least look at Wikipedia or the Results post and pick the tracks, even if you don’t know them at all. First of all, it’s fun! Second, even with this kind of blind-guessing, your prediction may end up being correct!

Scoring Points


The Prize


I will sign you guys up (if anyone is even interested in that kind of thing) after you get your prediction to me. I will answer any questions you have either here in the thread, via PM, Facebook, Skype, E-mail or if you can catch me in that DTF plug-dj room (I'm there right now).

I know I probably left some points unclear or totally screwed up somewhere, so let's hear your feedback / questions / whatever.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 11, 2017, 12:03:21 PM
(in case you haven't read the previous post, if you want to participate and are eligible, fill out this survey and send it to me either via PM, Facebook, Skype or E-mail)

The Predictions Survey

1. Write down your predictions for The Final Experiment Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


2. Write down your predictions for Actual Fantasy Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


3. Write down your predictions for Into the Electric Castle Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


4. Write down your predictions for The Dream Sequencer Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


5. Write down your predictions for Flight of the Migrator Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


6. Write down your predictions for The Human Equation Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


7. Write down your predictions for 01011001 Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


8. Write down your predictions for The Theory of Everything Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


9. Write down your predictions for Star One - Space Metal Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


10. Write down your predictions for Guilt Machine - On this Perfect Day Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


11. Write down your predictions for Star One - Victims of the Modern Age Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


12. Write down your predictions for Arjen Lucassen - Lost in the New Real Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


13. Write down your predictions for The Gentle Storm - The Diary Top 3 in order (maximum 10 points):


14. Write down your predictions for Ayreon Survivor Consolations songs that will be promoted to Finals (no particular order) (maximum 30 points):


15. Write down your predictions for Arjen Lucassen Survivor Consolations songs that will be promoted to Finals (no particular order) (maximum 20 points):


16. Write down your predictions for Ayreon Survivor Finals Top 5 in order (maximum 45 points):


17. Write down your predictions for Arjen Lucassen Survivor Finals Top 3 in order (maximum 24 points):


18. Write down your predictions for Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen Grand Finals League Top 5 in order (maximum 45 points):

Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 11, 2017, 12:09:52 PM
The Scoreboard

1. 425 - 79 (inactive)
2. Scorpion - 74 (inactive)
3. Parama - 71
4. MirrorMask - 70
5. Train of Naught - 69
6. Kwyjibo - 66
7. Elite - 57
8. twosuitsluke - 55 (inactive)
9. home - 52
10. Tomislav95 - 47
11. Nick - 34 (inactive)

Evermind - 102
jingle.boy - 57
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Train of Naught on January 11, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
  • I don’t mean to sound like a dick, but there are people on this board I don’t want to have any deals with, so I reserve the right to decline any person to participate in the Contest without further explanation. I can invoke this right only before the first Album Survivor (The Final Experiment) begins.
Thank you for this :lol though they can still screw with the poll by voting, but I'm glad this rule exists all the same.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on January 11, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
Sounds like fun, I will give it a try!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on January 11, 2017, 01:54:05 PM
  • I don’t mean to sound like a dick, but there are people on this board I don’t want to have any deals with, so I reserve the right to decline any person to participate in the Contest without further explanation. I can invoke this right only before the first Album Survivor (The Final Experiment) begins.
Thank you for this :lol though they can still screw with the poll by voting, but I'm glad this rule exists all the same.

I kind of wonder which people he means by this :lol
(or is it me? : :sadpanda:)

I could probably enter, but I don't really know every album as well as some members and there's some albums I have never properly heard. I have never heard Guilt Machine and only heard Actual Fantasy and both Star One albums about once.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Scorpion on January 11, 2017, 01:56:15 PM
I'm going to participate, yay! I haven't yet heard everything from Arjen, but that which I have heard, I like a lot, and by the time we get to the later albums, I'll have heard them as well.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 11, 2017, 05:19:27 PM
Ok, I'll give this a go. I know all but the first two Ayreon albums pretty well and also both the Star One albums.

The rest will be a bit of a stab in the dark but the prize is worth giving it a go. How long have I got to get my predictions in?
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 12, 2017, 08:52:08 AM
Luke, the deadline for predictions is January 25th, 6 P.M. GMT, basically almost two weeks from the moment I aired the first post.

By the way, in case it wasn't clear in the first post (because I've reread it, and it really wasn't), you have to send me all the predictions (all 18 survey questions) before the deadline, not only the first two albums. You will be able to change Consolations, Finals and Grand Finals predictions later (with the risk of losing potential points), and you also will be able to change your prediction for one album without any point loss.

Other than that, all your predictions are locked in when the first Survivor begins.

I will be in DTF plug-dj (https://plug.dj/dream-theater-forums) room for the next three hours to answer any questions you guys have about this contest.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 12, 2017, 09:58:37 AM
Ok, that's cool. That gives me plenty of time to at least try and give a listen to the albums I've not heard. I'll probably just wing it and not over think my predictions as I'm only a casual fan anyway.

I know, in general, that what I consider a bands best songs aren't usually the same as the majority. I should probably not predict based on my personal rankings. I'll try and get them to you within the next week.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 12, 2017, 10:08:23 AM
I imagine everyone will be way off with their predictions. I'm participating too (just for fun), and I'm pretty sure I'll end up being wrong with most of the albums. :lol

Of course, that's what makes this contest so fun.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 12, 2017, 11:42:49 AM
Ok cool.

The prize is worth entering for and I'd love to win. I'm just going to go with my gut and not look at old Ayreon survivors etc to try and get the edge.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 12, 2017, 12:01:23 PM
:tup

Another thing that just came up in plug-dj room, I guess that's a bit unclear too and I want to clarify it:

You guys can send me only the predictions for the albums you know, leaving the other albums blank. But you won't be able to edit it after January 25th (except for one Album Survivor of your choice, Consolations, Finals and Grand Finals). If you have blank predictions for some albums, that means you will get 0 points for them. But you still can participate even if some of your predictions are blank, that just a disadvantage for you.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on January 12, 2017, 12:22:14 PM
So no more wild guessing for the albums someone doesn't know?
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 12, 2017, 12:29:38 PM
So no more wild guessing for the albums someone doesn't know?

No, look, if you don't know some albums and you won't be able to get familiar with them until January 25th, you can go ahead and wild guess them. Like, take a look at Wikipedia and predict something based on track lengths or track titles, that's alright. But if you don't want people to make fun at you for predicting the worst song possible on a wild guess, you may just leave those albums blank.

The thing is, I wanted to allow people do predictions from album to album as the Survivor goes along, but I think the discussion in the Survivor threads will inevitably give hints at which songs from upcoming albums people prefer. That would spoil a lot, so all the predictions have to be done until January 25th.

Did that clear things up or just made it more complicated?
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on January 12, 2017, 12:40:03 PM
Nah, it's fine, thanks  :tup
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 18, 2017, 07:13:50 AM
Ok, I'm gonna attempt to start listening/ranking. I'm not gonna overthink it and I'm going to go with my gut. Think I'll be lucky to finish middle of the table  :lol

Some of these rankings will be based on one listen so here goes nothing.

With the consolations, am I right in thinking it will be the top 3 (Ayreon) and 2 (all other albums) ranked songs that ranked 3rd in the original poll? There will be a separate poll after all the albums have been ranked to do the consolations? I don't participate in a great deal of Survivors  :blush

Pretty sure I have it down but I'll PM you if I have any other questions (which undoubtedly will).

 :tup
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 18, 2017, 07:47:44 AM
With the consolations, am I right in thinking it will be the top 3 (Ayreon) and 2 (all other albums) ranked songs that ranked 3rd in the original poll? There will be a separate poll after all the albums have been ranked to do the consolations? I don't participate in a great deal of Survivors  :blush
 :tup

Not sure I completely understood the question, but look, here's the image with how songs will be promoted from each album:

(https://i.imgur.com/KNROHsK.jpg)

(note that the amount of songs promoted to Finals and Consolations is different for each album)

Which means, for The Final Experiment, the Top 3 from the album will go straight to the Finals, and then the song at the 4th place will join the Consolations. For the Actual Fantasy, the Top 2 from the album will go to the Finals, and the song at the 3rd place will join the Consolations; and so on. You can also see total songs in Consolations and Finals for both Ayreon and other Arjen albums in this image.

For the Consolations prediction, yes, you have to pick the Top 3 for Ayreon Consolations and Top 2 for Arjen (other albums) Consolations. You will be able to change your prediction right before the Consolations begin (because, frankly, it's pretty difficult to predict this result right now—which makes it kind of fun), but you will lose potential points—the prediction unchanged from the very beginning will yield 10 points for each song guessed correctly, and the prediction adjusted before Consolations begin will yield only 3 points.

I'm also doing my predictions right now! I'll probably finish them tomorrow, I only need to re-listen to Arjen's solo album. By the way, the rest of you guys might want to start doing them too, there's only a week left until the deadline!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Train of Naught on January 18, 2017, 08:26:50 AM
I'm starting my Ayreon marathon right now, and doing final predictions based on that. If there's interest we could play an album or two in the plug tomorrow. I'd be down.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on January 18, 2017, 08:33:07 AM
Is The Theory of Everything 42 tracks, or 4 tracks?
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 18, 2017, 08:47:26 AM
I'm starting my Ayreon marathon right now, and doing final predictions based on that. If there's interest we could play an album or two in the plug tomorrow. I'd be down.

Sounds good to me, I'll be in DTF plug.dj room when I'm back from work tomorrow.

Is The Theory of Everything 42 tracks, or 4 tracks?

4 tracks. You can view all the participating tracks in this post:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49314.msg2261750#msg2261750
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 18, 2017, 01:05:26 PM
Yea I've made a start ranking, if I haven't ranked all by the cut off I'll take some real stabs in the dark.

Don't worry Evermind, I'm not 100% sure I understood my own question, either way, you answered it  :tup
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 19, 2017, 09:38:22 AM
I'm starting my Ayreon marathon right now, and doing final predictions based on that. If there's interest we could play an album or two in the plug tomorrow. I'd be down.

I'm finalizing my predictions now, and I'm also at the DTF plug.dj room for the whole evening, as promised. Everyone, feel free to join in whether it's for Ayreon or other good music.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 20, 2017, 08:48:37 AM
My prediction is done, I even wrote it on the official paper from work so you guys would know it's legit. :biggrin: I guess Ayreon fans will be able to figure out some of my predictions, but my advice is to just go ahead and do yours without trying to figure out mine. After all, I'm probably wrong with most of them. :lol

(https://i.imgur.com/8gVq9a8.jpg)
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 22, 2017, 11:06:40 AM
In the last round of promotion for this, I've sent the PMs to the well-known DTF Arjen fans who are active on the board these days (I might have missed people, didn't mean to offend anyone), and now I'm just going to sit here and wait for your predictions to hit my mailbox or PM inbox or wherever you can reach me. You guys have 72 hours to send the predictions in.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on January 22, 2017, 11:40:48 AM
I'm realizing they will be difficult. I've heard in these latest days the album I had put aside for a lot of time, but aside from having a hard time to have a clear favorite for me, I haven't the slightest clue about what the general consensus on the early album is. Survivors and blind predictions for this are gonna be fun  :D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 23, 2017, 11:41:14 AM
I'm realizing they will be difficult. I've heard in these latest days the album I had put aside for a lot of time, but aside from having a hard time to have a clear favorite for me, I haven't the slightest clue about what the general consensus on the early album is. Survivors and blind predictions for this are gonna be fun  :D

I'm pretty sure everyone is like that. DTF Survivors aren't really predictable, which makes this contest even more fun, at least in theory.

Meanwhile, the deadline is two days away and I've got four predictions right now. I said if I get at least five predictions from different players, this thing is officially happening, so we're very close to this point. :tup

You can see the participants on the scoreboard in the third post of this thread. The people who are potentially eligible have the number before their nickname, the ones who aren't (me) are in the end of the list.

Edit: and with Scorpion sending me his prediction right now, this contest is officially happening! There are still two days to sign up, but now we're definitely doing it until the end, and we will determine our winner who will get the prize described in the OP. I'm excited.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on January 23, 2017, 12:38:56 PM
I need to relisten to a few albums and listen to space metal but my predictions are mostly set
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Train of Naught on January 23, 2017, 02:31:23 PM
Okay I just sent you my predictions :corn this will be fun. The Banishment for the win
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Tomislav95 on January 23, 2017, 03:01:43 PM
Okay I just sent you my predictions :corn this will be fun. The Banishment for the win
I actually love The Banishment :D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 23, 2017, 03:06:37 PM
Ok, I just have the three Arjen albums, that I've not heard, left to rank then I'll send my predictions. I might possibly get it in tonight before I hit the sack.

I find this difficult because I'll be honest, I find a lot of his music to be incredibly samey. That being said, I'm looking forward to this  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 23, 2017, 06:02:56 PM
Ok all sent. I'm all up in this mutha  :tup

Gut instincts, don't let me down now  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 24, 2017, 12:24:26 AM
Alrighty, this is gonna be fun because I've virtually no idea what songs people will vote for for the different records. For some it seems easy but for some I haven't got a clue and I think most of my predicitons are way off.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 24, 2017, 01:22:50 AM
Yea dude, I'm the same. I just voted for my favourites but I've probably got no chance because my favourites never usually match up with what the average fan likes, for any band!!!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 24, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
There are still 26 hours until the deadline, we have eight participants (not counting me) so far, which is pretty nice! I still hope we can get 10, but if we won't, well, that's it.

Luke, I'm not sure about some of your predictions, so I sent you a PM you might want to check out. Nick (if you're reading this), I'm still waiting on your edited Finals predictions if you'd like to edit them.

Everyone else who's up there on the scoreboard (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49325.msg2261920#msg2261920) is good to go.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: home on January 24, 2017, 11:00:46 AM
I was planning to do some listens before filling this in, but didn't so sent mosly random guesses :P (Evermind convinced me to do so, so not feeling guilty)
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on January 24, 2017, 11:35:51 AM
There's a good chance your random guesses will do better than my calculated ones. What have you got to lose?

Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: home on January 24, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
my dignity :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on January 24, 2017, 11:50:29 AM
Well, I'm already anticipating to have got it all wrong for the albums I actually know, and to have correctly guessed for the albums I simply improvized based sorely on intuition and track lenghts  ;D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on January 25, 2017, 12:09:40 AM
i did it. i got them all wrong, but i did it.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on January 25, 2017, 12:41:41 AM
i did it. i got them all wrong, but i did it.

https://youtu.be/jeGTt08xdWA
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 25, 2017, 08:26:22 AM
Almost everyone said that they've got it all wrong, and considering the diversity of all the predictions I've got, at least one person is bound to get it right. :lol

Anyway, Parama is in (bringing the number of contestants up to 10), and there are still 2 hours and 35 minutes to get your predictions in or to edit the ones you sent me. The Final Experiment Survivor will start right after that.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Tomislav95 on January 25, 2017, 08:40:23 AM
Actually, I don't think I'm all wrong. I think I'll get some points on at least two songs off TTOE :corn

EDIT: Also, HYPE!!! I'm ready for all of you to eliminate my favorites on TFE right away. That album might actually be my 2nd favorite, but that's probably because it's also my 2nd most listened album.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on January 25, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Temple of the Cat for the win!!!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on January 25, 2017, 08:55:36 AM
dr. slumber's memorial home for grand champion
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on January 25, 2017, 09:23:34 AM
No, the bonus track about shitting in space has to win. (Forgot the album where it's in)
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 25, 2017, 10:13:01 AM
No, the bonus track about shitting in space has to win. (Forgot the album where it's in)

It's on Space Metal. I remember I listened to it exactly once and I never want to do it again. Which was part of the reason I haven't included any bonus tracks in this. :lol

Less than an hour to go!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 25, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
The deadline is here. The predictions won't be accepted anymore (except if 425 wants to sign up, he's got until Sunday to get in if he wants too, because he relentlessly edits my writeups).

The first thread is coming up in a few minutes. This whole thing has officially begun. Good luck and have fun everyone!

Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on January 25, 2017, 11:48:07 AM
dr. slumber's memorial home for grand champion

You mean 'eternity', and that's actually a song I like a lot.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on January 25, 2017, 12:39:57 PM
half of that album is so forgettable can you blame me for getting it wrong
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: 425 on January 25, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
The deadline is here. The predictions won't be accepted anymore (except if 425 wants to sign up, he's got until Sunday to get in if he wants too, because he relentlessly edits my writeups).

Yikes, you know you've been bad about forum participation when you have to get a special exception for the contest you were told about weeks ago. :lol

My life has become so busy lately that it's hard for me to find time to be on DTF at all. I'm trying to rearrange things so I have time to at least participate in survivors and finish the survivor I had started and still haven't finished. But I do want to participate in this, if only for the fun of it. So I'm working on this right now and I'll try to finish it up ASAP.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 29, 2017, 12:26:21 PM
Alright, as I said, 425 had time until Sunday to get in, and he is indeed in right now. The list of participants is final and won't be changing anymore.

Every participant will get a PM during the upcoming week reminding them about the actions they can use now. Have fun and may the best of us win!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Scorpion on January 30, 2017, 09:22:20 AM
I'm already regretting half of my choices. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on February 12, 2017, 11:37:36 AM
Actual Fantasy Survivor has ended with Abbey of Synn crowned as a winner! Now it's time to reveal everyone's predictions and distribute some points!

Actual Fantasy Survivor Top 3:

1. Abbey of Synn
2. Computer Eyes
3. Beyond the Last Horizon

Actual Fantasy Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.

425: 1. Abbey of Synn / 2. Computer Eyes / 3. Beyond the Last Horizon
Elite: 1. Computer Eyes / 2. Forevermore / 3. Abbey of Synn
home: 1. Computer Eyes / 2. The Stranger from Within / 3. Abbey of Synn
Kwyjibo: 1. Abbey of Synn / 2. Forevermore / 3. The Stranger from Within
MirrorMask: 1. Abbey of Synn / 2. Forevermore / 3. Beyond the Last Horizon
Nick: 1. Computer Eyes / 2. Abbey of Synn / 3. Back on Planet Earth
Parama: 1. Abbey of Synn / 2. Computer Eyes / 3. Forevermore
Scorpion: 1. Abbey of Synn / 2. Computer Eyes / 3. Forevermore
Tomislav95: 1. Computer Eyes / 2. Abbey of Synn / 3. Beyond the Last Horizon
Train of Naught: 1. Computer Eyes / 2. Abbey of Synn / 3. Beyond the Last Horizon
twosuitsluke: 1. Beyond the Last Horizon / 2. Computer Eyes / 3. Abbey of Synn

Evermind: 1. Computer Eyes / 2. Abbey of Synn / 3. Back on Planet Earth

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 10
2. Parama - 8
2. Scorpion - 8
4. MirrorMask - 7
5. Kwyjibo - 5
5. twosuitsluke - 5
7. Tomislav95 - 4
7. Train of Naught - 4
9. Elite - 2
9. home - 2
9. Nick - 2

Evermind - 2

425 nailed it with the only fully correct prediction of this round, and he gets the maximum possible points - 10. Parama and Scorpion both got the Top 2 right, but didn't manage to predict the right #3 song, and they get 8 points each, which puts them in the Top 3. Some players got most of the song order wrong, but managed to guess at least one song right, and they're mostly in the middle of the scoreboard. Three eligible participants and I haven't managed to guess even one song correctly (thanks, MirrorMask! :biggrin: ) and are currently in the last place with two points each.

Personally, I don't think anyone in the last place should worry about it, because I'm pretty sure everyone will screw up sooner or later, and with a lot of albums, Consolations and Finals still ahead of us, it's definitely anyone's game at this point. However, congratulations, 425! That was well done.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on February 12, 2017, 12:01:11 PM
You guys suck. Computer Eyes is the best :biggrin:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on February 12, 2017, 12:07:19 PM
5 points is better than I expected, even if I only got the top song right.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on February 12, 2017, 12:10:35 PM
straight up chuggin'
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on February 12, 2017, 12:50:03 PM
Well alright  :metal

Happy being in the top 5
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on March 05, 2017, 02:24:20 AM
The Final Experiment Survivor is finished. Sail Away to Avalon won the crown, and The Awareness and Merlin's Will made it to the Top 3.

The Final Experiment Survivor Top 3:

1. Sail Away to Avalon
2. The Awareness
3. Merlin's Will

The Final Experiment Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. The Awareness / 2. Sail Away to Avalon / 3. The Charm of the Seer
Elite: 1. Ayreon's Fate / 2. Computer-Reign (Game Over) / 3. The Banishment
home: 1. The Banishment / 2. Sail Away to Avalon / 3. Ayreon's Fate
Kwyjibo: 1. Sail Away to Avalon / 2. Ayreon's Fate / 3. Eyes of Time
MirrorMask: 1. The Awareness / 2. The Charm of the Seer / 3. Merlin's Will
Nick: 1. Waracle / 2. The Charm of the Seer / 3. Sail Away to Avalon
Parama: 1. The Awareness / 2. Sail Away to Avalon / 3. Merlin's Will
Scorpion: 1. Eyes of Time / 2. Sail Away to Avalon / 3. Waracle
Tomislav95: 1. The Awareness / 2. Sail Away to Avalon / 3. Merlin's Will
Train of Naught: 1. The Awareness / 2. Merlin's Will / 3. Computer-Reign (Game Over)
twosuitsluke: 1. Listen to the Waves / 2. Waracle / 3. The Charm of the Seer

Evermind: 1. Sail Away to Avalon / 2. The Awareness / 3. The Charm of the Seer

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 12
1. Parama - 12
3. Kwyjibo - 10
3. MirrorMask - 10
5. Scorpion - 9
6. Tomislav95 - 8
7. Train of Naught - 6
8. twosuitsluke - 5
9. home - 3
9. Nick - 3
11. Elite - 2

Evermind - 10

This album proved to be more difficult to predict than Actual Fantasy, mostly because of how the final round ended (had The Awareness won, a lot more points would've been distributed), and in a peculiar turn of events, I've got the most points because I got the Top 2 right. :biggrin: But I'm not actually eligible to win, so the most points (5) out of people who are eligible to win were scored by Kwyjibo, who managed to correctly predict the winning song. Parama and Tomislav got all the Top 3 songs, but, unfortunately, didn't quite get the order of the songs right, and earned 4 points each.

On the general scoreboard, Parama managed to catch up with 425, and they are sharing the first place now! Kwyjibo and MirrorMask are tied for the Top 3, with other participants not far behind.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on March 05, 2017, 02:45:46 AM
Is there a prize for least points at the end? I'm fairly certain I would be a good contender for that spot!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 05, 2017, 02:57:45 AM
Yay, better than I expected. If I keep going like this I probably will end up in the top ten  ;D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Tomislav95 on March 05, 2017, 03:40:13 AM
If only I went with my actual ranking, I'd get more points :biggrin: but 4 is alright.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on March 05, 2017, 03:43:10 AM
I see only now that I didn't pinned Sail Away to Avalon at all, silly me  :biggrin: anyway, I'm hanging in there, hurray!  :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on March 05, 2017, 10:36:24 AM
sail away, my hopes and dreams
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: home on March 06, 2017, 04:04:25 AM
Is there a prize for least points at the end? I'm fairly certain I would be a good contender for that spot!
+1 xd
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: 425 on March 06, 2017, 12:33:30 PM
Wait I'm currently tied for the lead in this? That's unexpected! I guess I've done well so far on albums I've heard only once in my life (including nailing Actual Fantasy LOL), so we'll have to see if I start messing up once we get to albums I actually know :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on March 29, 2017, 12:15:09 PM
We've brought Into the Electric Castle Survivor to its conclusion with the following results:

Into the Electric Castle Survivor Top 3:

1. Isis and Osiris
2. Across the Rainbow Bridge
3. Amazing Flight

Into the Electric Castle Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Isis and Osiris / 2. Amazing Flight / 3. Valley of the Queens
Elite: 1. Amazing Flight / 2. Isis and Osiris / 3. Across the Rainbow Bridge
home: 1. The Castle Hall / 2. Amazing Flight / 3. The Garden of Emotions
Kwyjibo: 1. Isis and Osiris / 2. Across the Rainbow Bridge / 3. Amazing Flight
MirrorMask: 1. Amazing Flight / 2. The Garden of Emotions / 3. Isis and Osiris
Nick: 1. The Two Gates / 2. Amazing Flight / 3. The Castle Hall
Parama: 1. The Garden of Emotions / 2. Isis and Osiris / 3. The Mirror Maze
Scorpion: 1. Isis and Osiris / 2. Across the Rainbow Bridge / 3. Amazing Flight
Tomislav95: 1. Isis and Osiris / 2. Amazing Flight / 3. Valley of the Queens
Train of Naught: 1. Amazing Flight / 2. Isis and Osiris / 3. Time Beyond Time
twosuitsluke: 1. The Garden of Emotions / 2. The Two Gates / 3. Isis and Osiris

Evermind: 1. Isis and Osiris / 2. Amazing Flight / 3. Valley of the Queens

The Scoreboard:

1. Kwyjibo - 20
2. Scorpion - 19
3. 425 - 18
4. Tomislav95 - 14
5. Parama - 13
6. MirrorMask - 12
7. Train of Naught - 8
8. twosuitsluke - 6
9. Elite - 5
10. home - 4
10. Nick - 4

Evermind - 16

While this album wasn't the easiest to predict, two participants managed to get the songs and their order exactly right, and now they're at the top of our Scoreboard, with Kwyjibo leading with 20 points, and Scorpion not far behind with 19 points. 425 manages to keep in the Top 3 due to the right prediction of the Survivor's winner, he's got 18 points total. Elite had a great chance to climb up to the upper half, but, unfortunately, despite guessing all the Top 3 songs right, he didn't manage to get their order right, therefore receiving only three points.

Tomislav, Parama and MirrorMask are pursuing the leaders, and other participants are a bit behind, but it all can change with one or two correct predictions, and we've got a lot of albums ahead of us.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on March 29, 2017, 12:32:31 PM
I officially lose  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on March 29, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
Wow. I could have sworn that I had Isis 1st and Amazing Flight 3rd. Damn me  :lol

Suddenly the gap hss widened, I'll see what I'll do with The Dream Sequencer but I won't have much luck there either!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 29, 2017, 01:42:09 PM
Alrighty then, this was better than I expected.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on March 30, 2017, 12:28:35 PM
The Dream Sequencer Survivor has ended, and here's what we've got:

The Dream Sequencer Survivor Top 3:

1. My House on Mars
2. 2084
3. And the Druids Turn to Stone

The Dream Sequencer Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. My House of Mars / 2. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 3. 2084
Elite: 1. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 2. The First Man of Earth / 3. My House on Mars
home: 1. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 2. Carried by the Wind / 3. Temple of the Cat
Kwyjibo: 1. 2084 / 2. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 3. My House of Mars
MirrorMask: 1. 2084 / 2. My House on Mars / 3. One Small Step
Nick: 1. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 2. My House on Mars / 3. The First Man on Earth
Parama: 1. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 2. 2084 / 3. My House on Mars
Scorpion: 1. My House on Mars / 2. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 3. One Small Step
Tomislav95: 1. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 2. Dragon on the Sea / 3. The First Man on Earth
Train of Naught: 1. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 2. 2084 / 3. Carried by the Wind
twosuitsluke: 1. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 2. The First Man of Earth / 3. Carried by the Wind

Evermind: 1. My House on Mars / 2. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 3. 2084

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 25
1. Scorpion - 25

3. Kwyjibo - 23
4. Parama - 18
5. Tomislav95 - 15
6. MirrorMask - 14
7. Train of Naught - 12
8. Elite - 7
8. twosuitsluke - 7
10. Nick - 6
10. home - 5

Evermind - 23

This might be just the least amount of totally correct predictions so far! Look how little green there are in the predictions. Still, 425 manages to grab seven points and get to the top again, along with Scorpion, who snatches six points for this album. Kwyjibo loses his first place, but still remains in the Top 3 with 23 points total. Behind them are Parama, Tomislav, MirrorMask and Train, all with the double-digit score. Other participants are lagging behind so far, but you never know how these polls will turn out next.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on March 30, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
With 7 people predicting Druids would finish first, how the hell did it end up in third place?
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on March 30, 2017, 12:33:20 PM
Well, at least I'm not losing positions... I'll settle for being at the feet of the podium  ;D (but it would be glorious to win one fo the rounds where I completely made up the predictions without even hearing the album!)
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on March 30, 2017, 12:40:40 PM
With 7 people predicting Druids would finish first, how the hell did it end up in third place?

I think the issue was that I created the poll at the weekend. Some of our participants probably weren't there to vote.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on March 30, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
I still can be in the top 10 at the end of it all  ;D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Scorpion on March 30, 2017, 05:00:15 PM
I'm doing far better than I expected. What the hell. :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on March 31, 2017, 01:38:17 PM
I was just emailing with Ruslan, and while I'm joining late, I've given him my picks.  I'm here just for pride - not really interested in the prizes anyway (I have the artbook, and don't have a turntable).  I didn't look at the results of TFE, AF, or TDS before submitting my picks for them, and while I knew the ITEC results, I gave him my honest list of what I would've thought would be the top 3.

So, posting mostly to follow and get the updates in my feed.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: home on April 01, 2017, 11:47:05 AM
I'm doing far better than I expected. What the hell. :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on April 05, 2017, 11:58:18 AM
Adding Chad's predictions. He isn't competing for the prize, as he said in his post, so I'll place him next to me at the scoreboard.

The Final Experiment:

1. Eyes of Time / 2. Ayreon's Fate / 3. The Awareness (1 point)

Actual Fantasy:

1. Beyond the Last Horizon / 2. Back on Planet Earth / 3. The Stranger Within (1 point)

Into the Electric Castle:

1. Isis and Osiris / 2. The Two Gates / 3. Across the Rainbow Bridge (5+1 points)

The Dream Sequencer:

1. The First Man on Earth / 2. Temple of the Cat / 3. 2084 (1 point)

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 25
1. Scorpion - 25

3. Kwyjibo - 23
4. Parama - 18
5. Tomislav95 - 15
6. MirrorMask - 14
7. Train of Naught - 12
8. Elite - 7
8. twosuitsluke - 7
10. Nick - 6
10. home - 5

Evermind - 23
jingle.boy - 9
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on April 05, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
Those are some wacky predictions
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on April 05, 2017, 01:02:10 PM
Man, I suck at knowing your guys' tastes.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2017, 01:06:03 PM
Man, I suck at knowing your guys' tastes.

When in doubt, pick the longest song for the winner

(Wait for this to bite me in the ass pretty soon  :lol )
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on April 05, 2017, 01:09:12 PM
Man, I suck at knowing your guys' tastes.

When in doubt, pick the longest song for the winner

(Wait for this to bite me in the ass pretty soon  :lol )

No kidding, right!  It never fails that most prog boards automatically think longer = better... even when it isn't the case.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on April 05, 2017, 01:18:22 PM
I don't think that's unanimously true but it actually holds decently true for arjen's stuff, he seems to just excel the most when writing 9-12 minute tracks
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: RoeDent on April 06, 2017, 01:19:30 PM

No kidding, right!  It never fails that most prog boards automatically think longer = better... even when it isn't the case.

But that thinking is based on the fact that so many of prog's greatest moments in the past have been the epics. Supper's Ready. Close to the Edge. 2112. Octavarium. Just four examples. So the long songs are always going to get extra attention/scrutiny because we're on the lookout for the next Great Epic.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on April 07, 2017, 01:57:13 PM
I don't really think it's true for all Arjen's stuff, at least for me it isn't. Star One, in my opinion, excels at shorter songs, and both longer tracks are a bit underwhelming, up to the point that I wouldn't put them in my Top 5 for the respective albums.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on April 07, 2017, 02:06:01 PM
Oh really now  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on April 27, 2017, 12:24:00 PM
Here's the update for Flight of the Migrator Survivor:

Flight of the Migrator Survivor Top 3:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. Dawn of a Million Souls
3. Chaos

Flight of the Migrator Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. Chaos
Elite: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. Journey on the Waves of Time
home: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. To the Quasar
Kwyjibo: 1. Dawn of a Million Souls / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. To the Quasar
MirrorMask: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. The New Migrator
Nick: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. Through the Wormhole
Parama: 1. Dawn of a Million Souls / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. The New Migrator
Scorpion: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. Chaos
Tomislav95: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. Chaos
Train of Naught: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. Chaos
twosuitsluke: 1. Chaos / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. Dawn of a Million Souls

Evermind: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. Chaos
jingle.boy: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Dawn of a Million Souls / 3. To the Quasar

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 35
1. Scorpion - 35

3. Kwyjibo - 25
3. Tomislav95 - 25
5. MirrorMask - 22
5. Train of Naught - 22
7. Parama - 20
8. Elite - 15
9. Nick - 14
10. home - 13
11. twosuitsluke - 10

Evermind - 33
jingle.boy - 17

This album, apparently, was the easiest to predict! Four eligible participants did a clean sweep—two of our leaders, 425 and Scorpion, among them—and another four eligible participants guessed the Top 2 order correcty. Those who didn't predict this album quite right took quite a heavy blow, losing a few places on the scoreboard, except for Kwyjibo—despite scoring only two points, he's still fighting for the Top 3, currently tied with Tomislav, who jumped there from his fifth place.

Next are MirrorMask and Train, who are both pretty close to the Top 3—really, except the first two participants running away with the 10-points lead, the next few positions are pretty close. Luke is closing the whole list with the meager 10 points, but I'm pretty sure there will be opportunities to gather more points in the future! At least we're all in the double digits stage now. ;)
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on April 27, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
Cool, I'm hanging in there! I will savor this moment 'cause I royally messed up the Space Metal predictions  :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on April 27, 2017, 12:55:28 PM
Should've done more predictions to my tastes  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: twosuitsluke on April 28, 2017, 01:46:35 AM
Oh dear god. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna fail hard at THE so I may need to get comfortable at the bottom  :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on April 28, 2017, 02:37:44 AM
The Human Equation will be hard. So many songs, of which everyone is good, and there's not a long epic (yeah, maybe Trauma and the final song) that stands out above the others. It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on April 30, 2017, 07:26:54 AM
And here's the one for Space Metal Survivor:

Space Metal Survivor Top 3:

1. The Eye of Ra
2. Master of Darkness
3. Set Your Controls

Space Metal Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Intergalactic Space Crusaders / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. High Moon
Elite: 1. Starchild / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. Master of Darkness
home: 1. Set Your Controls / 2. Starchild / 3. Intergalactic Space Crusaders
Kwyjibo: 1. The Eye of Ra / 2. High Moon / 3. Songs of the Ocean
MirrorMask: 1. Starchild / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. Songs of the Ocean
Nick: 1. Sandrider / 2. Master of Darkness / 3. Set Your Controls
Parama: 1. Intergalactic Space Crusaders / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. Starchild
Scorpion: 1. The Eye of Ra / 2. Starchild / 3. Set Your Controls
Tomislav95: 1. Set Your Controls / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. Intergalactic Space Crusaders
Train of Naught: 1. Set Your Controls / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. Perfect Survivor
twosuitsluke: 1. Set Your Controls / 2. Starchild / 3. The Eye of Ra

Evermind: 1. The Eye of Ra / 2. Starchild / 3. Intergalactic Space Crusaders
jingle.boy: 1. Master of Darkness / 2. Set Your Controls / 3. The Eye of Ra

The Scoreboard:

1. Scorpion - 42
2. 425 - 36
3. Kwyjibo - 30
4. Tomislav95 - 27
5. Train of Naught - 24
6. MirrorMask - 23
7. Parama - 21
8. Nick - 19
9. Elite - 17
10. home - 14
11. twosuitsluke - 12

Evermind - 38
jingle.boy - 20

This album was pretty much the opposite of Flight of the Migrator. Many people got some of the songs in the Top 3—Chad even got all of them—but when it came to the order of the songs, most of the participants seemed to be stumped. No one got all three songs in order, and only two participants—Nick and Scorpion—managed to predict the correct placement for two songs. Scorpion ended up getting the most points in this round, predicting both the winner and the third place song correctly, and he's currently in the lead with 42 points! 425 maintains his second places despite a poor performance this round, and Kwyjibo is still holding his third place due to a exact prediction of the winner for this Survivor.

Next we have two albums that are probably the most difficult to predict, The Human Equation and 01011001! That's going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Train of Naught on April 30, 2017, 07:49:24 AM
Cool, I'm hanging in there! I will savor this moment 'cause I royally messed up the Space Metal predictions  :lol
Hey MirrorMask, look, we both fucked it up :lol we're still pretty much tied
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on April 30, 2017, 08:29:47 AM
I had the top two in right order though, just in #2-3 instead of #1-2 :(
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on May 30, 2017, 02:29:40 PM
When are you gonna start taking predictions for the source?  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on May 31, 2017, 09:40:00 AM
You can start sending them, if you want to. I thought to announce it the week or two before The Source Survivor, but if you're confident now, go ahead and do it.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on June 26, 2017, 11:44:33 AM
Here we go with The Human Equation Survivor:

The Human Equation Survivor Top 3:

1. Day Twelve: Trauma
2. Day Three: Pain
3. Day Two: Isolation

The Human Equation Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Trauma / 2. Isolation / 3. Confrontation
Elite: 1. Pain / 2. Trauma / 3. Confrontation
home: 1. Loser / 2. Pain / 3. Love
Kwyjibo: 1. Isolation / 2. Trauma / 3. Pain
MirrorMask: 1. Confrontation / 2. Trauma / 3. Isolation
Nick: 1. Isolation / 2. Confrontation / 3. Love
Parama: 1. Isolation / 2. Confrontation / 3. Trauma
Scorpion: 1. Pain / 2. Loser / 3. Isolation
Tomislav95: 1. Isolation / 2. Love / 3. Loser
Train of Naught: 1. Isolation / 2. Loser / 3. Confrontation
twosuitsluke: 1. Trauma / 2. Isolation / 3. Pain

Evermind: 1. Isolation / 2. Loser / 3. Trauma
jingle.boy: 1. Trauma / 2. Isolation / 3. Voices

The Scoreboard:

1. Scorpion - 45
2. 425 - 42
3. Kwyjibo - 33
4. Tomislav95 - 28
5. MirrorMask - 26
6. Train of Naught - 25
7. Parama - 23
8. Nick - 20
9. Elite - 19
9. twosuitsluke - 19
11. home - 17

Evermind - 40
jingle.boy - 26

Interesting results this time around! Not a lot of points distributed, and also not a lot of changes in the Scoreboard—Scorp, 425 and Kwyjibo retain their Top 3 places—but there are some changes indeed. MirrorMask gains one position, moving to the fifth place instead of Train, and Luke has quite a successful round, brabbing seven points and finally escaping from the very bottom of the board.

The results for 01011001 are coming up either today tomorrow, and we're starting Guilt Machine in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on June 26, 2017, 11:46:49 AM
I feel sad that despite getting the top 2 right, but not in the right order, there's 5 people who got more points than me.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2017, 11:49:46 AM
You have Trauma as red on Kwy's predictions btw
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on June 26, 2017, 11:50:53 AM
I feel sad that despite getting the top 2 right, but not in the right order, there's 5 people who got more points than me.

Yeah, well, I sort of addressed it in the Final Round thread. I admit the system might be flawed.

I will give everyone who feels the system is unfair a consolation gift at our Ayreon Universe meeting in Tilburg, if that helps. :)

You have Trauma as red on Kwy's predictions btw

Fixed. The points are correct though.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2017, 12:01:13 PM
Yay, bottom half for me! I hope to remain there and maybe aim for fourth, that'll probably the best I'll do... unless I start winning the predictions for albums I didn't listen, that would be glorious  :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on June 26, 2017, 12:11:16 PM
And here's the 01011001 Survivor:

01011001 Survivor Top 3:

1. Age of Shadows
2. Beneath the Waves
3. The Sixth Extinction

01011001 Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Age of Shadows / 2. The Sixth Extinction / 3. Beneath the Waves
Elite: 1. The Sixth Extinction / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. The Fifth Extinction
home: 1. Age of Shadows / 2. River of Time / 3. Comatose
Kwyjibo: 1. Beneath the Waves / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. Comatose
MirrorMask: 1. The Sixth Extinction / 2. The Fifth Extinction / 3. Beneath the Waves
Nick: 1. The Fifth Extinction / 2. The Sixth Extinction / 3. Ride the Comet
Parama: 1. The Sixth Extinction / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. Beneath the Waves
Scorpion: 1. Age of Shadows / 2. Liquid Eternity / 3. Beneath the Waves
Tomislav95: 1. Age of Shadows / 2. The Sixth Extinction / 3. Comatose
Train of Naught: 1. Liquid Eternity / 2. Waking Dreams / 3. Age of Shadows
twosuitsluke: 1. Age of Shadows / 2. The Fifth Extinction / 3. River of Time

Evermind: 1. The Sixth Extinction / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. Beneath the Waves
jingle.boy: 1. The Fifth Extinction / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. Ride the Comet

The Scoreboard:

1. Scorpion - 51
2. 425 - 49
3. Kwyjibo - 35
4. Tomislav95 - 34
5. MirrorMask - 28
6. Parama - 26
6. Train of Naught - 26
8. twosuitsluke - 24
9. home - 22
10. Elite - 21
10. Nick - 21

Evermind - 43
jingle.boy - 27

Not a lot of green this time. The Top 3 stays unchanged, even though 425 gets closer and closer to Scorpion, and Tomislav creeps up to Kwyjibo—it's only one point difference now! There are some changes in the bottom half of the board, though—both Luke and home jump from the very bottom upwards, leaving Elite and Nick behind.

Guilt Machine Survivor is coming up, and then we'll have Victims of the Modern Age Survivor running parallel to it.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on June 26, 2017, 12:15:33 PM
Overrated Shadows  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Scorpion on June 26, 2017, 05:11:27 PM
God dammit, I was so sure that I had actually guessed Age of Shadows - Beneath the Waves - Liquid Eternity. Just checked my PMs though, and no dice. Dammit. :(
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on June 26, 2017, 05:35:26 PM
God dammit, I was so sure that I had actually guessed Age of Shadows - Beneath the Waves - Liquid Eternity. Just checked my PMs though, and no dice. Dammit. :(

I know right... I thought I'd chosen AoS to win as well.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 27, 2017, 04:06:40 AM
Seems like I'm good at guessing which songs are in the top three but obviously bad when it comes to guess which position they are in. Anyway still in the top three  :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: 425 on June 29, 2017, 10:47:36 PM
Geez, I'm still like near the top of these standings? Maybe I should participate in more threads!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on July 18, 2017, 11:34:42 AM
Here we go with the results of On this Perfect Day Survivor:

On this Perfect Day Survivor Top 3:

1. Perfection?
2. Season of Denial
3. Twisted Coil

On this Perfect Day Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Perfection? / 2. Season of Denial / 3. Twisted Coil
Elite: 1. Perfection? / 2. Season of Denial / 3. Twisted Coil
home: 1. Green and Cream / 2. Leland Street / 3. Twisted Coil
Kwyjibo: 1. Green and Cream / 2. Twisted Coil / 3. Perfection?
MirrorMask: 1. Perfection? / 2. Twisted Coil / 3. Season of Denial
Nick: 1. Perfection? / 2. Over / 3. Green and Cream
Parama: 1. Perfection? / 2. Season of Denial / 3. Twisted Coil
Scorpion: 1. Perfection? / 2. Season of Denial / 3. Green and Cream
Tomislav95: 1. Green and Cream / 2. Leland Street / 3. Season of Denial
Train of Naught: 1. Perfection? / 2. Leland Street / 3. Twisted Coil
twosuitsluke: 1. Season of Denial / 2. Perfection? / 3. Twisted Coil

Evermind: 1. Twisted Coil / 2. Perfection? / 3. Season of Denial
jingle.boy: 1. Twisted Coil / 2. Perfection? / 3. Over

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 59
1. Scorpion - 59

3. Kwyjibo - 37
4. Parama - 36
5. MirrorMask - 35
5. Tomislav95 - 35
7. Train of Naught - 33
8. Elite - 31
9. twosuitsluke - 28
10. Nick - 26
11. home - 24

Evermind - 46
jingle.boy - 29

We have three clean sweeps this time, as well as a lot of correct guesses for the winner! 425 manages to get two more points than Scorp in this round, which means they're tied for the first place now. Kwyjibo barely holds his third place as Parama, MirrorMask and Train of Naught all get almost enough points to push him down from the pedestal! Tomislav is also up there with them, but mostly due to a good performance in the previous few rounds, not in this particular one. The two leaders have a pretty comfortable point gap between them and the pursuers, but we still have some albums left, and then there are Consolations, Finals and Grand Finals. I would say there's still a chance to win for anyone if your predictions are sensible.

Next up is Arjen's second solo album, Lost in the New Real.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on July 18, 2017, 11:41:53 AM
So, the time I pull the predictions basically out of my ass I do better than when I carefully think about it? that's golden  :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on July 18, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
Well, there is also only 6 songs on the album.  I think we'll all do pretty good on TTOE too.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 19, 2017, 12:00:21 AM
Kwyjibo barely holds his third place as Parama, MirrorMask and Train of Naught all get almost enough points to push him down from the pedestal!

DON'T YOU DARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on July 19, 2017, 01:57:57 AM
Well, there is also only 6 songs on the album.  I think we'll all do pretty good on TTOE too.

Yeah, that will shake things up a little, because with so many points mathematically granted, chosing the only "song" that won't make it to the top three will be fatal.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on July 28, 2017, 12:03:28 PM
Aaand here are the results of Victims of the Modern Age Survivor:

Victims of the Modern Age Survivor Top 3:

1. 24 Hours
2. Human See, Human Do
3. Digital Rain

Victims of the Modern Age Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. It All Ends Here / 2. Cassandra Complex / 3. Digital Rain
Elite: 1. Human See, Human Do / 2. It All Ends Here / 3. Digital Rain
home: 1. Earth That Was / 2. Digital Rain / 3. Down the Rabbit Hole
Kwyjibo: 1. Earth That Was / 2. 24 Hours / 3. It All Ends Here
MirrorMask: 1. It All Ends Here / 2. 24 Hours / 3. Cassandra Complex
Nick: 1. Human See, Human Do / 2. Victim of the Modern Age / 3. Digital Rain
Parama: 1. It All Ends Here / 2. Digital Rain / 3. Victim of the Modern Age
Scorpion: 1. Human See, Human Do / 2. Victim of the Modern Age / 3. It All Ends Here
Tomislav95: 1. Earth That Was / 2. Digital Rain / 3. 24 Hours
Train of Naught: 1. 24 Hours / 2. It All Ends Here / 3. Human See, Human Do
twosuitsluke: 1. 24 Hours / 2. It All Ends Here / 3. Human See, Human Do

Evermind: 1. 24 Hours / 2. Human See, Human Do / 3. It All Ends Here
jingle.boy: 1. Digital Rain / 2. Human See, Human Do / 3. 24 Hours

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 61
2. Scorpion - 60
3. Train of Naught - 39
4. Kwyjibo - 38
5. Parama - 37
5. Tomislav95 - 37
7. MirrorMask - 36
8. Elite - 34
8. twosuitsluke - 34
10. Nick - 29
11. home - 25

Evermind - 54
jingle.boy - 34

Not a lot of green this time around! 425 gets two points and manages to get just a bit ahead of Scorpion on the scoreboard! However, I do have to remind everyone that to be eligible for the prize you have to be active in a certain amount of Survivors. I haven't checked anyone's activity yet, but I suspect that perhaps some people could be lacking in that regard so far (or not, I don't really know). Just so everyone remembers, to be eligible you have to be active in at least three album Survivors (active means you have to actually post in more than 50% of the threads related to that album Survivor.

Anyway, Train manages to unexpectedly climb to the Top 3, correctly guessing 24 Hours as the winner of this Survivor, moving Kwyjibo down one place. The fight for the Top 3 is pretty damn tough at the moment! Luke also gets a fair amount of points and climbs closer to the pursuers.

While it might seem that Top 2 is unapproachable right now, I assure you there's still a chance. Don't give up hope!

Next up is Ayreon's The Theory of Everything. I hope we will begin on Monday.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on July 28, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
Wow... only 5 points separating 3rd from 9th!

It's interesting how no one has gone completely 0-3 on predictions.  I've laid a couple of turds more than once, but no one has completely struck out.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on July 28, 2017, 12:40:41 PM
Go look at the final expeirment results  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on July 28, 2017, 02:39:45 PM
Go look at the final expeirment results  :corn

Ahhh... I only looked as far back as the 'reply' page gives.  Poor Rich and 2suits.

Well, there's still a couple more albums for others to take a whiff with.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 29, 2017, 12:27:40 AM
I want my third place back.  :omg:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on July 29, 2017, 05:56:32 AM
I want my third place back.  :omg:

It's three points away from me... I crave it!  ;D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: 425 on August 05, 2017, 05:03:58 PM
Not a lot of green this time around! 425 gets two points and manages to get just a bit ahead of Scorpion on the scoreboard! However, I do have to remind everyone that to be eligible for the prize you have to be active in a certain amount of Survivors. I haven't checked anyone's activity yet, but I suspect that perhaps some people could be lacking in that regard so far (or not, I don't really know). Just so everyone remembers, to be eligible you have to be active in at least three album Survivors (active means you have to actually post in more than 50% of the threads related to that album Survivor.

Yeah, this applies to me. It's awesome to see I'm doing so well in this, but I'm currently not really an active DTF poster. I don't know for certain if I qualify for the prize; I don't think I do. But I've told Evermind that even if I do qualify and I do win, I want to pass on the prize to the next person, because I think it should go to a more active poster who will probably enjoy it more than I would. So in order to get the prize, you don't have to beat me. You still do, of course, in order to get the glory of first place.

Props to Evermind for running this, even though I haven't been too involved. Seems like it's been great!  :)
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on August 14, 2017, 10:56:27 AM
It's time to post the results of The Theory of Everything Survivor:

The Theory of Everything Survivor Top 3:

1. Phase II: Symmetry
2. Phase III: Entanglement
3. Phase I: Singularity

The Theory of Everything Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Phase I: Singularity / 2. Phase IV: Unification / 3. Phase II: Symmetry
Elite: 1. Phase III: Entanglement / 2. Phase II: Symmetry / 3. Phase IV: Unification
home: 1. Phase II: Symmetry / 2. Phase I: Singularity / 3. Phase IV: Unification
Kwyjibo: 1. Phase I: Singularity / 2. Phase II: Symmetry / 3. Phase III: Entanglement
MirrorMask: 1. Phase IV: Unification / 2. Phase I: Singularity / 3. Phase II: Symmetry
Nick: 1. Phase IV: Unification / 2. Phase I: Singularity / 3. Phase III: Entanglement
Parama: 1. Phase IV: Unification / 2. Phase II: Symmetry / 3. Phase III: Entanglement
Scorpion: 1. Phase II: Symmetry / 2. Phase I: Singularity / 3. Phase III: Entanglement
Tomislav95: 1. Phase IV: Unification / 2. Phase I: Singularity / 3. Phase III: Entanglement
Train of Naught: 1. Phase I: Singularity / 2. Phase IV: Unification / 3. Phase III: Entanglement
twosuitsluke: 1. Phase I: Singularity / 2. Phase III: Entanglement / 3. Phase IV: Unification

Evermind: 1. Phase I: Singularity / 2. Phase III: Entanglement / 3. Phase IV: Unification
jingle.boy: 1. Phase III: Entanglement / 2. Phase II: Symmetry / 3. Phase IV: Unification

The Scoreboard:

1. Scorpion - 67
2. 425 - 63
3. Kwyjibo - 41
3. Train of Naught - 41
5. Parama - 39
5. Tomislav95 - 39
7. MirrorMask - 38
7. twosuitsluke - 38
9. Elite - 36
10. home - 31
10. Nick - 31

Evermind - 58
jingle.boy - 36

The results are pretty even for this particular Survivor. Scorpion rushes ahead, correctly guessing the winner and also guessing the other two songs in a wrong order, getting seven points which allows him to take the lead. The fight for the third place is intense as hell—the difference between the third place and the last is only 10 points! I might need to invent some consolation prize for the third place if this competition will keep up as it goes right now. :lol

Next up is The Gentle Storm — The Diary. We'll probably begin this one on Wednesday or Thursday.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on August 14, 2017, 10:59:03 AM
Meanwhile, Lost in the New Real Survivor is in its final phase, and after that The Source Survivor will follow. Here's what will happen in the next couple of days: first off, you guys should start sending me your predictions for The Source. Second, I'm working on the writeup for this album and it should be ready at the end of the week. So, we will have our listening session for The Source some time next week, and then we're going to run the actual Survivor for this album.

For now, the tentative deadline for The Source predictions is August 27th. The Survivor will probably start on 28th.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on August 14, 2017, 11:04:45 AM
Seriously, what the actual fuck (only 1/2 serious)?  How do only 2 people not have Unification in their Top 3, but it is the first to get voted out?

Sometimes, we don't make any sense in how the votes are coming in vs predictions.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on August 14, 2017, 11:24:17 AM
Meh, I'm falling behind! At least I'm just three points away from the third place...
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on August 22, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
Still waiting for The Source prediction from some of you guys, I'll send out a round of PM's today to remind everyone.

That being said, our schedule for now is this: The Gentle Storm Survivor begins today, The Source Survivor begins next Monday; the writeup for The Source is going live next week, as well as the listening session for the album. When the opportunity to change your Consolations / Finals / Grand Finals prediction arises, I will notify you all in this thread and via PMs.

I haven't thought this through yet, but it could be that this Survivor will take a break from Sep 15th to Sep 29th when I'm on vacation in Netherlands/Germany to see Ayreon Universe, Edguy and Need/Evergrey and possibly explore some cities and points of interest. Perhaps we will wrap-up both The Gentle Storm and The Source Survivors before Sep 15th and then I'll allow the two weeks time for changing of your predictions for the rest of our journey. We'll see.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on August 23, 2017, 12:48:50 AM
I just sent you my predictions for The Source. Yeah, I would need to change my predictions for the Finals :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on August 28, 2017, 10:30:22 AM
I still need some predictions for The Source, I'll send out the reminders via PM tomorrow. If I don't get the remaining predictions this Sunday, the Survivor will start on Monday anyway.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on August 29, 2017, 11:57:11 AM
It's finally time to post the results of Lost in the New Real Survivor:

Lost in the New Real Survivor Top 3:

1. Lost in the New Real
2. The New Real
3. Pink Beatles in a Purple Zeppelin

Lost in the New Real Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. Parental Procreation Permit / 3. The New Real
Elite: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. Yellowstone Memorial Day / 3. Parental Procreation Permit
home: 1. Pink Beatles in a Purple Zeppelin / 2. The New Real / 3. E-Police
Kwyjibo: 1. Pink Beatles in a Purple Zeppelin / 2. Yellowstone Memorial Day / 3. E-Police
MirrorMask: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. The New Real / 3. Pink Beatles in a Purple Zeppelin
Nick: 1. E-Police / 2. Parental Procreation Permit / 3. Pink Beatles in a Purple Zeppelin
Parama: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. The New Real / 3. Don't Switch Me Off
Scorpion: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. Yellowstone Memorial Day / 3. The New Real
Tomislav95: 1. Pink Beatles in a Purple Zeppelin / 2. Lost in the New Real / 3. E-Police
Train of Naught: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. Parental Procreation Permit / 3. E-Police
twosuitsluke: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. Parental Procreation Permit / 3. Dr. Slumber's Eternity Home

Evermind: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. The New Real / 3. Parental Procreation Permit
jingle.boy: 1. Lost in the New Real / 2. E-Police / 3. Dr. Slumber's Eternity Home

The Scoreboard:

1. Scorpion - 73
2. 425 - 69
3. MirrorMask - 48
4. Parama - 47
5. Train of Naught - 46
6. twosuitsluke - 43
7. Kwyjibo - 42
8. Elite - 41
8. Tomislav95 - 41
10. home - 35
11. Nick - 33

Evermind - 66
jingle.boy - 41

This survivor yielded more points than usual, mostly because a lot of people managed to correctly guess the winner! The Top 2 stays unchanged, but MirrorMask charges right into the Top 3 with his fully correct prediction! Things are tight around the third place, so I guess we could expect the positions to change with each album and Survivor onwards.

The Gentle Storm is up an running, and we'll finally have The Source Survivor next week, I promise.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on August 29, 2017, 12:41:25 PM
I did it. I really did what I always said I wanted to do: nail the predictions for an album I didn't even listen to!!!  :metal :lol :rollin

What a bittersweet irony, considering my early fails for albums I only know too well, haha!!!!! even if I won't win anything, this alone makes my day for this contest  ;D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on August 29, 2017, 01:33:11 PM
aha, the comeback  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on August 29, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
Ouch, from third to seventh is a hard fall  :omg:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on October 17, 2017, 11:10:13 AM
Alright, here we go:

The Diary Survivor Top 3:

1. Endless Sea
2. Cape of Storms
3. Shores of India

The Diary Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: 1. New Horizons / 2. The Storm / 3. Heart of Amsterdam
Elite: 1. The Storm / 2. Shores of India / 3. Heart of Amsterdam
home: 1. Heart of Amsterdam / 2. The Storm / 3. Shores of India
Kwyjibo: 1. Shores of India / 2. The Storm / 3. Heart of Amsterdam
MirrorMask: 1. Shores of India / 2. Endless Sea / 3. Brightest Light
Nick: 1. Shores of India / 2. Heart of Amsterdam / 3. The Storm
Parama: 1. Shores of India / 2. The Storm / 3. Cape of Storms
Scorpion: 1. Shores of India / 2. Heart of Amsterdam / 3. New Horizons
Tomislav95: 1. Heart of Amsterdam / 2. Endless Sea / 3. The Storm
Train of Naught: 1. Shores of India / 2. Brightest Light / 3. Endless Sea
twosuitsluke: 1. The Storm / 2. Heart of Amsterdam / 3. Brightest Light

Evermind: 1. New Horizons / 2. Endless Sea / 3. The Moment
jingle.boy: 1. The Storm / 2. Shores of India / 3. Endless Sea

The Scoreboard:

1. Scorpion - 74
2. 425 - 69
3. MirrorMask - 50
4. Parama - 49
5. Train of Naught - 48
6. Kwyjibo - 43
6. twosuitsluke - 43
8. Elite - 42
8. Tomislav95 - 42
10. home - 37
11. Nick - 34

Evermind - 67
jingle.boy - 43

Apparently, the results are screwed up by my vacation—almost no one got anything right! :lol Best result in this Survivor was two points. No real significant changes on the scoreboard this time.

We have only The Source to finish, and we're almost ready to start the Arjen Consolations. I'm going to talk about them and how can you change (if you'd like to) your predictions in the next post.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on October 17, 2017, 11:32:32 AM
Alright, so here's what we have for Arjen Lucassen Survivor Consolations songs:

Set Your Controls
Twisted Coil
Digital Rain
Pink Beatles in a Purple Zeppelin
Shores of India

Two of these will advance to the Finals.



If you decide to leave your prediction for this Survivor unchanged, you get 10 points for each song you rightly predicted to go to the Finals (maximum 20 points). If you change your prediction in any way (swapping one song for another, or changing both songs entirely) you will only get 3 points for each song (maximum 6 points).

Since this competition is mostly for fun, I'm going to reveal all of your initial predictions for this round—you also won't need to go look for your own predictions.

425: High Moon / Digital Rain (1/2)
Elite: Parental Procreation Permit / Heart of Amsterdam (0/2)
home: Endless Sea / The Eye of Ra (0/2)
Kwyjibo: Starchild / Human See, Human Do (0/2)
MirrorMask: Brightest Light / Songs of the Ocean (0/2)
Nick: Perfect Survivor / Earth That Was (0/2)
Parama: Twisted Coil / Victims of the Modern Age (1/2)
Scorpion: It All Ends Here / Set Your Controls (1/2)
Tomislav: Intergalactic Space Crusaders / 24 Hours (0/2)
Train of Naught: Green and Cream / New Horizons (0/2)
twosuitsluke: Starchild / Pefection? (0/2)

Evermind: Season of Denial / The Moment (0/2)
jingle.boy: 24 Hours / The Eye of Ra (0/2)

Basically, folks with 0/2 score have to change their predictions or they risk getting nothing. However, for people with 1/2, you might consider staying with what you have, as this will potentially award you more points (10 if your song of choice advances to the Finals). However, as Scorpion and 425 are both pretty much inactive in these threads now, the only real choice here is for Parama. :biggrin:

I would like to get your updated predictions this week to start the Consolations on Monday. I'll do a round of PMs tomorrow to remind everyone.

If anything is unclear, go ahead and ask a question, I might've not done a very good job explaining it.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on October 17, 2017, 11:34:20 AM
rip literally everyone wow

I'm sticking with my predictions since I expect twisted coil to sweep given the competition  :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on October 17, 2017, 11:45:50 AM
However, as Scorpion and 425 are both pretty much inactive in these threads now,

lol... the two guys with basically the insurmountable lead.   :lolpalm:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on October 17, 2017, 11:49:51 AM
rip literally everyone wow

I'm sticking with my predictions since I expect twisted coil to sweep given the competition  :lol

Yeah uh, it should.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on October 17, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
Updates sent from me.

Didn't dare to hope to still hold on to the third place!  :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 17, 2017, 11:58:19 PM
New predictions sent.

And lol at the Diary results  ;D Cape Of Storms finishes in second place and no-one has it in his top 3 predictions, what were you voting?
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2017, 01:10:20 AM
To be fair, it's such a strong and cohesive album that it's hard to pick a favorite, and even harder to guess which other songs people may like. It's not that there's a super awesome song that stands above the others or that half of the album sucks, it's damn brilliant from beginning to end. A masterpiece.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on October 18, 2017, 01:57:12 AM
i had cape of storms in my top three  :loser:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on October 23, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
Alright, so Consolations begin tomorrow. If anyone else wants to change their predictions (looking at you, Elite and Tomislav), you've got about a day to do so.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on November 07, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
And here's what we have for Ayreon Survivor Consolations songs:

The Charm of the Seer
Beyond the Last Horizon
The Garden of Emotions
And the Druids Turn to Stone
Chaos
Day Twenty: Confrontation
Day Eleven: Love
Liquid Eternity
Phase III: Entanglement
Run! Apocalypse! Run!

Three of these will advance to the Finals.



As in Arjen Survivor Consolations, if you decide to leave your prediction for this Survivor unchanged, you get 10 points for each song you rightly predicted to go to the Finals (maximum 30 points). If you change your prediction in any way (swapping one song for another, or changing both songs entirely) you will only get 3 points for each song (maximum 9 points).

Since this competition is mostly for fun, I'm going to reveal all of your initial predictions for this round—you also won't need to go look for your own predictions.

425: Day Three: Pain / The Fifth Extinction / The Garden of Emotions (1/3)
Elite: Day Fourteen: Pride / Day Sixteen: Loser / Phase II: Symmetry (0/3)
home: Phase I: Singularity / The Garden of Emotions / Day Eleven: Love (2/3)
Kwyjibo: The Fifth Extinction / Day Sixteen: Loser / Phase II: Symmetry (0/3)
MirrorMask: Day Three: Pain / Newborn Race / The New Migrator (0/3)
Nick: Across the Rainbow Bridge / One Small Step / To the Quasar (0/3)
Parama: Amazing Flight / Day Eighteen: Realization / The Fifth Extinction (0/3)
Scorpion: One Small Step / The Sixth Extinction / Chaos (1/3)
Tomislav: Day Three: Pain / The First Man on Earth / Chaos (1/3)
Train of Naught: Day Three: Pain / Phase IV: Unification / Age of Shadows (0/3)
twosuitsluke: The Garden of Emotions / The Fifth Extinction / Into the Black Hole (1/3)

Evermind: Day Three: Pain / Waking Dreams / Phase III: Entanglement (1/3)
jingle.boy: Day Three: Pain / Amazing Flight / To the Quasar (0/3)

People with 0/3, you guys should probably change your predictions however you see fit. Your maximum possible result for this is 9 points.
People with 1/3 and home with 2/3 (wow), you probably should evaluate the risks and decide for yourself if you want to change anything or not.

I would like to get your updated predictions this week to start the Consolations on Monday. I'll do a round of PMs tomorrow to remind the still active folks (basically everyone who was active during the previous prediction changes).
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on November 07, 2017, 10:54:34 AM
Yeah who could've predicted the best song of ItEC would only make consolations  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: home on November 07, 2017, 11:10:28 AM
Yeah I'll take my chances with my current prediction
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on November 08, 2017, 10:35:18 AM
Right, four of you guys are set, four people are inactive, and I need four more responses. Sending a round of PMs now.

I'm also changing my predictions from my 1/3 to the following, since I don't really think Entanglement will go through, not with this great set of songs:

The Garden of Emotions
Day Twenty: Confrontation
Liquid Eternity
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on November 08, 2017, 11:37:50 AM
Everyone who's changing their picks should be changing to those three tbh, nothing else stands a chance
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on November 09, 2017, 12:00:45 AM
I've changed my predictions but I chose the ones I like more and not the ones you will probably vote  :o
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on November 11, 2017, 09:52:09 AM
Now that Arjen Lucassen Consolations Survivor is finished, let's distribute some points here!

The songs that advanced to the Finals

Twisted Coil
Digital Rain

Arjen Lucassen Consolations Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was placed in the very beginning of competition and is correct. It scores 10 points. Orange means the prediction was changed before this Survivor started, but it's a correct one. It scores 3 points. Red means the song you picked didn't make the Finals, regardless of the time the prediction was made. It scores 0 points.)

425: High Moon / Digital Rain
Elite: Twisted Coil / Digital Rain
home: Shores of India / Twisted Coil
Kwyjibo: Digital Rain / Twisted Coil
MirrorMask: Twisted Coil / Set Your Controls
Nick: Perfect Survivor / Earth That Was
Parama: Twisted Coil / Victim of the Modern Age
Scorpion: It All Ends Here / Set Your Controls
Tomislav95: Set Your Controls / Shores of India
Train of Naught: Twisted Coil / Digital Rain
twosuitsluke: Starchild / Perfection?

Evermind: Twisted Coil / Digital Rain
jingle.boy: Twisted Coil / Set Your Controls

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 79 (inactive)
2. Scorpion - 74 (inactive)
3. Parama - 59
4. Train of Naught - 54
5. MirrorMask - 53
6. Kwyjibo - 49
7. Elite - 48
8. twosuitsluke - 43 (inactive)
9. Tomislav95 - 42
10. home - 40
11. Nick - 34 (inactive)

Evermind - 73
jingle.boy - 46

And here's the point of the competition where the gaps between places begin to appear. 425 and Scorpion are still ahead, but as they're inactive—and they're not changing their predictions, and they also haven't provided me their predictions for The Source—the rest of the participants are gaining on them, and I think it's only a matter of a few rounds for someone to get the leading spot!

Parama gets the lead among the active participants with well-played prediction of Twisted Coil that gave him 10 points; Train also climbs up to the fourth place, pushing MirrorMask down. Kwyjibo manages to still stay ahead of Elite, both of them changed their predictions and got both songs right, earning six points. Tomislav and home are still behind the main group, but the difference isn't that huge!

All in all, I don't know if everyone realises it, but the competition is way closer that it perhaps appears to be. With 425 and Scorp out of the picture, a lot can change in the upcoming days!

Officially inactive people are now: 425, Scorpion, twosuitsluke, Nick.

Meanwhile, The Source Survivor is almost done. We now have our songs for Ayreon Consolations (starting tomorrow now that we have all the predictions) and for Arjen Lucassen Finals. I will post the rules shortly and I would like to have your changed predictions come Wednesday. The changes for Finals work differently, so probably everyone would like to change stuff.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2017, 10:13:42 AM
Damn, for a while I was in the unofficial lead but this round screwed me up, and The Source won't do me any favors either  :biggrin: but the race is on!  :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on November 11, 2017, 10:39:59 AM
Okay, these are the songs for Arjen Lucassen Finals:

The Eye of Ra
Master of Darkness
Perfection?
Season of Denial
24 Hours
Human See, Human Do
Lost in the New Real
The New Real
Endless Sea
Cape of Storms
Twisted Coil
Digital Rain

For the purposes of the predictions, the only thing that matters is the Top 3.



Before I begin explaining this one, three big things:

1. The order of your predictions matters here.
2. You can change your predictions without losing points, as long as you don't change the songs that you think you've got right from the beginning.
3. If you predicted that the song will get to Top 3, but guessed the wrong spot for it, sorry, you're out of luck, no points for that here.


For the songs you decide not to tamper with (as in, not change either their placement or replace them entirely), if you predicted them correctly, you get 12/8/4 (correct prediction for the 1st/2nd/3rd place). For the songs you tampered with in any way (swapped their places in your prediction, for example), you get half the points—6/4/2. However, it should be noted, that this doesn't affect your whole prediction (unlike in Consolations)—if you change one song and leave the other intact, you can still get full points for the ones you didn't change. So it's possible to receive, say, 12/4/4 or 6/8/2.

Since this competition is mostly for fun, I'm going to reveal all of your initial predictions for this round—you also won't need to go look for your own predictions.

The songs that aren't in the competition are colored gray.

425: 1. Intergalactic Space Crusaders / 2. It All Ends Here / 3. New Horizons
Elite: 1. Starchild / 2. Lost in the New Real / 3. The Storm
home: 1. Heart of Amsterdam / 2. Earth That Was / 3. The Storm
Kwyjibo: 1. Green and Cream / 2. It All Ends Here / 3. The Eye of Ra
MirrorMask: 1. Starchild / 2. Shores of India / 3. It All Ends Here
Nick: 1. Human See, Human Do / 2. Sandrider / 3. Shores of India
Parama: 1. Perfection? / 2. It All Ends Here / 3. Season of Denial
Scorpion: 1. Human See, Human Do / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. Perfection?
Tomislav: 1. Heart of Amsterdam / 2. Earth That Was / 3. Set Your Controls
Train of Naught: 1. Shores of India / 2. Leland Street / 3. 24 Hours
twosuitsluke: 1. Set Your Controls / 2. Season of Denial / 3. 24 Hours

Evermind: 1. The Eye of Ra / 2. Twisted Coil / 3. 24 Hours
jingle.boy: 1. The Storm / 2. Digital Rain / 3. Twisted Coil

Now is when the real fun begins! This is what I've been calling in my head the tactical part of this competition. It's absolutely up to you what you want to change and in what way. Do you want to move your song that still remains in the competition from #3, to, say, #2, losing some points but still getting a few of them, or do you want to risk it and leave it where you had it before? Now that you have the list of songs in the competition, you know what your songs are up against. And with how tight the competition is, each decision matters.

I would like to get your updated predictions this week to start the Finals on Wednesday. I'll do a round of PMs tomorrow to remind the still active folks (basically everyone who was active during the previous prediction changes).

If there are any questions you've got, fire them away.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on November 11, 2017, 11:53:20 AM
Well, no questions for me - I screwed up three out of three predictions so I can only change them all  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on November 11, 2017, 12:02:36 PM
Well, yeah, there's that. :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on November 11, 2017, 06:17:02 PM
I would expect 2 of my top 3 to be in the top 3 and despite my meh feelings human see is a likely top 3 candidate as well but I am super biased towards guilt machine and tempted to put all 3 of the songs on that album as my top 3, lol

I doubt it though looking at the other predictions here
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on November 13, 2017, 10:24:45 AM
And here's our last Album Survivor:

The Source Survivor Top 3:

1. The Day That the World Breaks Down
2. Star of Sirrah
3. Everybody Dies

The Source Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was fully correct and scores respectively 5, 3 and 2 points for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Orange means the song is in the Top 3, but the prediction was wrong about the song's exact placement, it always scores 1 point. Red means the song was eliminated before the Top 3, obviously it scores 0 points.)

425: none
Elite: 1. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 2. The Dream Dissolves / 3. Star of Sirrah
home: 1. Everybody Dies / 2. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 3. The Dream Dissolves
Kwyjibo: 1. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 2. Deathcry of a Race / 3. Star of Sirrah
MirrorMask: 1. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 2. Deathcry of a Race / 3. Sea of Machines
Nick: none
Parama: 1. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 2. Everybody Dies / 3. Condemned to Live
Scorpion: none
Tomislav95: 1. Everybody Dies / 2. The Dream Dissolves / 3. The Day That the World Breaks Down
Train of Naught: 1. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 2. Deathcry of a Race / 3. The Dream Dissolves
twosuitsluke: none

Evermind: 1. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 2. Everybody Dies / 3. Star of Sirrah
jingle.boy: 1. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 2. Star of Sirrah / 3. Deathcry of a Race

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 79 (inactive)
2. Scorpion - 74 (inactive)
3. Parama - 65
4. Train of Naught - 59
5. MirrorMask - 58
6. Kwyjibo - 55
7. Elite - 54
8. Tomislav95 - 44
9. twosuitsluke - 43 (inactive)
10. home - 42
11. Nick - 34 (inactive)

Evermind - 80
jingle.boy - 52

This was one of those rounds where you're basically screwed if you didn't pick the winner right, and therefore Tomislav and home are left behind in the race for now, getting only two points each. Four inactive people didn't submit their predictions for this one, but 425 and Scorpion both had such a lead that everyone else is yet to dethrone them. Parama is getting fairly close, though, with the impressive 65 points! Train, MirrorMask, Kwyjibo and Elite are still in the pursuit distance and one well-timed and well-thought out prediction from the beginning can turn tides quite unexpectedly now. We're entering the final phase of the competition, and now it's about to become fierce and unforgiving as ever.

Ayreon Consolations are underway, and Arjen Finals are scheduled to begin on Wednesday or Thursday. Then we'll only have Ayreon Finals and the Grand Finals, which means four more opportunities to get ahead of your opponents. All of these Survivors will allow you to change your predictions, however, doing so will cost you some potential points, so you'll have to choose wisely. I'm honestly so excited for this. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on November 13, 2017, 10:57:24 AM
You added my points correctly but condemned to live shouldn't be orange
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on November 13, 2017, 11:28:09 AM
Yeah, fuck-ups happen. Fixed.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on November 15, 2017, 10:07:46 AM
Okay, got everyone's changed predictions for Arjen Finals! For my own, I'll leave my first and third place intact, and swap Twisted Coil for Perfection.

My predictions now are: 1. The Eye of Ra (unchanged) / 2. Perfection? (changed) / 3. 24 Hours (unchanged). Watch me fail this one miserably. :lol

First round coming your way in a few minutes!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on December 17, 2017, 08:49:55 AM
And here's the points distribution for Ayreon Consolations!

The songs that advanced to the Finals

Day Twenty: Confrontation
Liquid Eternity
Day Eleven: Love

Ayreon Consolations Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was placed in the very beginning of competition and is correct. It scores 10 points. Orange means the prediction was changed before this Survivor started, but it's a correct one. It scores 3 points. Red means the song you picked didn't make the Finals, regardless of the time the prediction was made. It scores 0 points.)

425: Day Three: Pain / The Fifth Extinction / The Garden of Emotions
Elite: The Garden of Emotions / And the Druids Turn to Stone / Liquid Eternity
home: Phase I: Singularity / Day Eleven: Love / The Garden of Emotions
Kwyjibo: The Garden of Emotions / Day Eleven: Love / Phase III: Entanglement
MirrorMask: Day Eleven: Love / The Garden of Emotions / Liquid Eternity
Nick: Across the Rainbow Bridge / To the Quasar / One Small Step
Parama: Day Twenty: Confrontation / The Garden of Emotions / Liquid Eternity
Scorpion: One Small Step / The Sixth Extinction / Chaos
Tomislav95: Day Twenty: Confrontation / The Garden of Emotions / Chaos
Train of Naught: Day Twenty: Confrontation / And the Druids Turn to Stone / Liquid Eternity
twosuitsluke: The Garden of Emotions / The Fifth Extinction / Into the Black Hole

Evermind: The Garden of Emotions / Day Twenty: Confrontation / Liquid Eternity
jingle.boy: Day Twenty: Confrontation / Chaos / The Garden of Emotions

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 79 (inactive)
2. Scorpion - 74 (inactive)
3. Parama - 71
4. Train of Naught - 65
5. MirrorMask - 64
6. Kwyjibo - 58
7. Elite - 57
8. home - 52
9. Tomislav95 - 47
10. twosuitsluke - 43 (inactive)
11. Nick - 34 (inactive)

Evermind - 86
jingle.boy - 57

Parama is close to dethrone our inactive participants, but both Train of Naught and MirrorMask are holding on and keep the pursuit! Not a lot changed in this round, except home was the only one to correctly guess a song from very beginning so he leaps over Tomislav and Luke, and it actually somewhat back in the race again!

We've got three checkpoints left where you can get your points, basically it's Ayreon and Arjen Finals and then it's the Grand Finals. Currently, it seems likely that Parama will win this, but we shall see, still a lot can change during the Finals / Grand Finals.

Officially inactive people are now: 425, Scorpion, twosuitsluke, Nick.

Ayreon Finals will begin either tomorrow or Tuesday!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on December 17, 2017, 10:44:31 AM
i'm gonna get owned in the finals rounds actually
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on December 17, 2017, 02:36:20 PM
Still holding there wohooo!! but I'm starting to think it's gonna end bad for me  :D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: home on December 17, 2017, 03:01:22 PM
Whooo not last or second to last anymore   :P
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on December 19, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
Remember when I said about Ayreon Finals beginning today? I forgot about changing your predictions, guys. :facepalm:

So here are the songs we've got for Ayreon Finals!

Sail Away to Avalon
The Awareness
Merlin's Will
Abbey of Synn
Computer Eyes
Isis and Osiris
Across the Rainbow Bridge
Amazing Flight
My House on Mars
2084
Into the Black Hole
Dawn of a Million Souls
Day Twelve: Trauma
Day Three: Pain
Day Two: Isolation
Age of Shadows
Beneath the Waves
The Sixth Extinction
Phase II: Symmetry
The Day That the World Breaks Down
Star of Sirrah
Everybody Dies
Day Twenty: Confrontation
Liquid Eternity
Day Eleven: Love

For the purposes of the predictions, Top 5 is what matters here.



Before I begin explaining this one, three big things:

1. The order of your predictions matters here.
2. You can change your predictions without losing points, as long as you don't change the songs that you think you've got right from the beginning.
3. If you predicted that the song will get to Top 5, but guessed the wrong spot for it, you still get 1 point.


For the songs you decide not to tamper with (as in, not change either their placement or replace them entirely), if you predicted them correctly, you get 15/12/9/6/3 (correct prediction for the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th place). For the songs you tampered with in any way (swapped their places in your prediction, for example), you get two thirds of the points—10/8/6/4/2. However, it should be noted, that this doesn't affect your whole prediction (unlike in Consolations)—if you change one song and leave the other intact, you can still get full points for the ones you didn't change. So it's possible to receive, say, 15/8/9/4/3 or 10/12/6/6/2.

Since this competition is mostly for fun, I'm going to reveal all of your initial predictions for this round—you also won't need to go look for your own predictions.

The songs that aren't in the competition are colored gray.

425:

1. Day Twelve: Trauma
2. Into the Black Hole
3. Age of Shadows
4. Day Two: Isolation
5. Isis and Osiris

Elite:

1. Amazing Flight
2. And the Druids Turn to Stone
3. The Sixth Extinction
4. Phase III: Entanglement
5. Isis and Osiris

home:

1. Age of Shadows
2. Day Sixteen: Loser
3. Computer Eyes
4. Day Three: Pain
5. Into the Black Hole

Kwyjibo:

1. Day Two: Isolation
2. Isis and Osiris
3. Dawn of a Million Souls
4. Day Twelve: Trauma
5. Phase I: Singularity

MirrorMask:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. The Sixth Extinction
3. Amazing Flight
4. The Fifth Extinction
5. Day Twenty: Confrontation

Nick:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. And the Druids Turn to Stone
3. Day Two: Isolation
4. Day Twenty: Confrontation
5. The Two Gates

Parama:

1. Day Two: Isolation
2. The Sixth Extinction
3. Day Twenty: Confrontation
4. Age of Shadows
5. The Garden of Emotions

Scorpion:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. Age of Shadows
3. Isis and Osiris
4. My House on Mars
5. Across the Rainbow Bridge

Tomislav:

1. Day Two: Isolation
2. And the Druids Turn to Stone
3. Into the Black Hole
4. Isis and Osiris
5. Phase IV: Unification

Train of Naught:

1. Phase I: Singularity
2. Into the Black Hole
3. Day Two: Isolation
4. Computer Eyes
5. Day Sixteen: Loser

twosuitsluke:

1. Day Twelve: Trauma
2. Day Two: Isolation
3. Day Three: Pain
4. Age of Shadows
5. Chaos


Evermind:

1. Isis and Osiris
2. Into the Black Hole
3. The Sixth Extinction
4. Day Two: Isolation
5. Phase I: Singularity

jingle.boy:

1. Day Two: Isolation
2. Isis and Osiris
3. Day Twelve: Trauma
4. Dawn of a Million Souls
5. Eyes of Time

And here's second biggest competition of the entire run—Ayreon Survivor Finals! We only have one step ahead of us after that, the Grand Finals League; but this is probably the most important one prediction-wise. Everyone got some songs that are in competition, and some songs are already out now, so it's time to decide which songs to put instead of the ones in gray, and think about switching some songs for others or perhaps rearrange the order at the expense of the points you can get. The rules are basically the same, except the amount of points you gain for the songs you tampered or not tampered with.

I know it's nearing holidays and I won't be posting any Survivor threads during December 24th—January 2nd, so you basically have until January 2nd to update your predictions! Perhaps you should do it sooner than later though, just so you won't forget to do it. :biggrin:

If there are any questions you've got, fire them away.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on December 19, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
Wow, my top five is shitty indeed
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on December 19, 2017, 10:57:55 AM
Ok... since we're doing it just for fun, and I'm not really in the competition for the prizes - only pride - I'll swap Eyes of Time for Into the Black Hole, and leave the other 4 the same.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on December 19, 2017, 11:37:24 AM
yeah if i do actually end up winning somehow i'm gonna ask ev to send the prizes to the next person down, i don't really want them tbh :lol
i can't even play the vinyl
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on December 19, 2017, 11:46:28 AM
Sorry, dumb it down for me:

"2. You can change your predictions without losing points, as long as you don't change the songs that you think you've got right from the beginning."

So far my predictions are:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. The Sixth Extinction
3. Amazing Flight
4. ***The Fifth Extinction*** WHICH IS OUT
5. Day Twenty: Confrontation

So does the above rule means that I don't lose any points if I just replace The Fifth Extinction, which is no longer running, but I would lose if I'd swap places for the other 4 songs which are all in the finals?
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on December 19, 2017, 11:58:47 AM
Sorry, dumb it down for me:

"2. You can change your predictions without losing points, as long as you don't change the songs that you think you've got right from the beginning."

So far my predictions are:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. The Sixth Extinction
3. Amazing Flight
4. ***The Fifth Extinction*** WHICH IS OUT
5. Day Twenty: Confrontation

So does the above rule means that I don't lose any points if I just replace The Fifth Extinction, which is no longer running, but I would lose if I'd swap places for the other 4 songs which are all in the finals?

Yes, you've got it right. I might've worded it somewhat unclear.

But if, say, you replace both Fifth Extinction and Confrontation with something else, you would still get full points for the first three songs.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on December 19, 2017, 12:23:34 PM
Ok, thanks!

Gotta think about this... I guess the best course of action should be to stick with the predictions (since at least even with the wrong order I still get one point) and then just replace the missing song
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on December 20, 2017, 12:30:52 PM
Okay, won't change much but replace Phase I: Singularity which is already out with Into The Black Hole for 5th place.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on December 21, 2017, 01:46:04 AM
As for me, I leave everything as it is (I figure it's still some points secured even if I get the order wrong) and bring in as 4th song Isis and Osiris.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 02, 2018, 05:02:16 AM
As far as I can see (I could be missing something though), I still need Elite, home and Tomislav to change their predictions, gonna message you guys on FB.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 04, 2018, 05:57:11 AM
I've got everyone except Elite, so we're starting this tomorrow.

I'm changing my #5 to Age of Shadows.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on January 04, 2018, 06:52:07 AM
Yeah, but my prediction suck arse. I might as well change everything :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 06, 2018, 04:38:01 AM
Points and results for Arjen Lucassen Finals:

Arjen Lucassen Finals Top 3

1. The Eye of Ra
2. Season of Denial
3. 24 Hours

Arjen Lucassen Finals Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was placed in the very beginning of competition and is correct. It scores 12 / 8 / 4 points for the 1st / 2nd / 3rd place. Orange means the prediction was changed before this Survivor started, but it's a correct one. It scores 6 / 4 / 2 points. Red means the song you picked either didn't make the Top 3, or was predicted to finish at the wrong place. It scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Intergalactic Space Crusaders / 2. It All Ends Here / 3. New Horizons
Elite: 1. Perfection? / 2. Lost in the New Real / 3. The Eye of Ra
home: 1. Perfection? / 2. 24 Hours / 3. Season of Denial
Kwyjibo: 1. The Eye of Ra / 2. Perfection? / 3. 24 Hours
MirrorMask: 1. The Eye of Ra / 2. Twisted Coil / 3. Human See, Human Do
Nick: 1. Human See, Human Do / 2. Sandrider / 3. Shores of India
Parama: 1. Perfection? / 2. 24 Hours / 3. Season of Denial
Scorpion: 1. Human See, Human Do / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. Perfection?
Tomislav95: 1. 24 Hours / 2. Perfection? / 3. Endless Sea
Train of Naught: 1. Perfection / 2. Twisted Coil / 3. 24 Hours
twosuitsluke: 1. Set Your Controls / 2. Season of Denial / 3. 24 Hours

Evermind: 1. The Eye of Ra / 2. Perfection? / 3. 24 Hours
jingle.boy: 1. Perfection? / 2. The Eye of Ra / 3. Cape of Storms

The Scoreboard:

1. 425 - 79 (inactive)
2. Scorpion - 74 (inactive)
3. Parama - 71
4. MirrorMask - 70
5. Train of Naught - 69
6. Kwyjibo - 66
7. Elite - 57
8. twosuitsluke - 55 (inactive)
9. home - 52
10. Tomislav95 - 47
11. Nick - 34 (inactive)

Evermind - 102
jingle.boy - 57

Parama didn't get any points in this round, but still in the lead among the active participants. However, everyone who scored points in this round—namely Train, MirrorMask and Kwyjibo—are getting really close to him, and with only two Survivors left to collect the points in, this could be anyone's game. Luke, while being inactive, actually jumps a few places up on the scoreboard due to well-placed predictions back in the beginning of 2017!

I'm not sure if this particular system worked really well, seeing how many people didn't guess the order right. :lol I decided not to give points for the wrong order to encourage people changing their predictions before the Finals kicked in, but with the points difference and unpredictability of DTF (I didn't expect Perfection? kicked out before Top 3, surely), I guess that didn't work. Oh well.

Officially inactive people are now: 425, Scorpion, twosuitsluke, Nick.

I'll start the first thread for Ayreon Finals later today.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 06, 2018, 05:16:33 AM
A lot of red in the predictions and not many points for most.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on January 06, 2018, 06:26:56 AM
Boy did we collectively screwed up this round  :lol I sucked badly and all things considered I'm one of those who gained the most! at this point I'm pumped for the end!  :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: home on January 06, 2018, 06:30:05 AM
Damn making the order matter this much makes for very little points. I got 0 points because the second and third are swapped :p
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 06, 2018, 08:07:07 AM
Damn making the order matter this much makes for very little points. I got 0 points because the second and third are swapped :p

Yeah, as I said, I don't think this system works well. :lol But it's too late to change anything now.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on January 06, 2018, 09:16:05 AM
Whatevs... it was a fun/interesting way to try and keep things interesting, and keep people involved - even if four of them bailed out.  Kudo's to you to try and do something innovative and different Ruslan.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 06, 2018, 09:47:30 AM
Yeah, all is good. I wasn't complaining just observing. And I was one of the few who got some points out of it.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on January 06, 2018, 11:16:57 AM
Damn making the order matter this much makes for very little points. I got 0 points because the second and third are swapped :p

Yeah, as I said, I don't think this system works well. :lol But it's too late to change anything now.
nah it's not too late since this is the first round you used this system & if you think it sucks you can change it  :corn
but yeah i feel like it's almost impossible to get points in any of the finals rounds so i'll lose anyways  :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 06, 2018, 12:58:26 PM
Damn making the order matter this much makes for very little points. I got 0 points because the second and third are swapped :p

Yeah, as I said, I don't think this system works well. :lol But it's too late to change anything now.
nah it's not too late since this is the first round you used this system & if you think it sucks you can change it  :corn

It's basically first round out of three. I think it's too late.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on January 06, 2018, 02:30:24 PM
fair enough, i look forward to being stuck at 71 points for the rest of this survivor then  :corn
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on January 07, 2018, 03:51:15 AM
On the other hand, someone who figured it out from the beginning could say "I predicted the top three months ago and I get the same points as someone who adjusts at the end?"... it's Evermind's survivor and he created the rules as he saw fit, I'll just go along with them  :tup
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: RoeDent on January 07, 2018, 12:21:26 PM
it's Evermind's survivor and he created the rules as he saw fit, I'll just go along with them  :tup

More people need to have this attitude. One of the main things that's holding me back from hosting another tournament here is having to answer questions like "Why are you doing it this way?" I have no answers apart from "This is how I'm doing it". It's frustrating at times.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on January 09, 2018, 12:35:36 PM
You never responded to my changed predictions for the finals. Did you get it? :)
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on January 12, 2018, 10:11:50 AM
I'm having huge problems with logging in on DTF, to the point I can't log in on some days at all. But yeah, as I wrote you on FB, I've got your predictions.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on April 26, 2018, 11:56:09 AM
Results for Ayreon Survivor Finals!

Ayreon Survivor Finals Top 5

1. Into the Black Hole
2. Age of Shadows
3. Day Two: Isolation
4. The Day That the World Breaks Down
5. Beneath the Waves

Ayreon Finals Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was placed in the very beginning of competition and is correct. It scores 15 / 12 / 9 / 6 / 3 points for the 1st / 2nd / 3rd / 4th / 5th place. Orange means the prediction was changed before this Survivor started, but it's a correct one. It scores 10 / 8 / 6 / 4 / 2 points. Teal means your predicted song ended up in the Top 5, but in a wrong spot. It scores 1 point. Red means the song you picked didn't make the Top 5. It scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Day Twelve: Trauma / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. Age of Shadows / 4. Day Two: Isolation / 5. Isis and Osiris
Elite: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Day Twelve: Trauma / 3. Age of Shadows / 4. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 5. Isis and Osiris
home: 1. Age of Shadows / 2. Day Two: Isolation / 3. Phase II: Entanglement / 4. Day Three: Pain / 5. Into the Black Hole
Kwyjibo: 1. Day Two: Isolation / 2. Isis and Osiris / 3. Dawn of a Million Souls / 4. Day Twelve: Trauma / 5. Into the Black Hole
MirrorMask: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. The Sixth Extinction / 3. Amazing Flight / 4. Isis and Osiris / 5. Day Twenty: Confrontation
Nick: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 3. Day Two: Isolation / 4. Day Twenty: Confrontation / 5. The Two Gates
Parama: 1. Day Two: Isolation / 2. The Sixth Extinction / 3. Day Twenty: Confrontation / 4. Age of Shadows / 5. Into the Black Hole
Scorpion: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. Isis and Osiris / 4. My House on Mars / 5. Across the Rainbow Bridge
Tomislav95: 1. Day Two: Isolation / 2. Day Twelve: Trauma / 3. Into the Black Hole / 4. Isis and Osiris / 5. Age of Shadows
Train of Naught: 1. Day Twelve: Trauma / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. Day Two: Isolation / 4. Computer Eyes / 5. Isis and Osiris
twosuitsluke: 1. Day Twelve: Trauma / 2. Day Two: Isolation / 3. Day Three: Pain / 4. Age of Shadows / 5. Chaos

Evermind: 1. Isis and Osiris / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. The Sixth Extinction / 4. Day Two: Isolation / 5. Age of Shadows
jingle.boy: 1. Day Two: Isolation / 2. Isis and Osiris / 3. Day Twelve: Trauma / 4. Dawn of a Million Souls / 5. Into the Black Hole

The Scoreboard:

1. Scorpion - 101 (inactive)
2. MirrorMask - 85
3. 425 - 82 (inactive)
4. Train of Naught - 79
5. Parama - 74
6. Elite - 72
7. Kwyjibo - 68
8. Nick - 58 (inactive)
9. twosuitsluke - 57 (inactive)
10. home - 55
11. Tomislav95 - 50

Evermind - 105
jingle.boy - 59

Some huge changes in the scoreboard due to some well-placed predictions in the beginning, well-changed predictions before this round started, and also due to the imperfections in the counting system—but hey, it's fun to see how it turns out. Scorpion, even though he's missing from DTF, managed to guess both the Top 2 songs right, and it still in the lead, even though he's inactive. MirrorMask gets the first place among the active players, managing to correctly guess Into the Black Hole being the winner in Ayreon Survivor... even before the whole thing started. Now that's impressive.

Train also manages to climb higher, leaving Parama behind; and Elite is suddenly at the sixth place due to well-timed change of his predictions: he managed to guess both 1st and 4th places correctly, earning some points and closing the gap between him and the participants at the top of the scoreboard.

In an unexpected turn of events, Nick, who I think was inactive even since he sent me these predictions and voted a few times in TFE / AF Survivors, manages to guess a few songs correctly and gets 24 points for his efforts, actually rising to the 8th place. Meanwhile, whoever didn't manage to guess the correct order of the songs suffer the drop in the scoreboard.

However, there are still the Grand Finals to consider.

Officially inactive people are now: 425, Scorpion, twosuitsluke, Nick.

I'll put up a post for predictions changing for the last leg of this Survivor, the Grand Finals, tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on April 26, 2018, 12:02:49 PM
I placed faith in the awesomeness of Into the Black Hole and Bruce Dickinson combined and I was right  :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on April 26, 2018, 12:08:12 PM
My points are right but you marked 4 and 5 as green instead of teal on my results :P
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on April 26, 2018, 12:10:29 PM
My points are right but you marked 4 and 5 as green instead of teal on my results :P

Fixed it right before you posted this. :P
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on April 27, 2018, 10:36:14 AM
Alright, bear with me for one small last step in this Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen Survivor. Here we go with your current predictions for Grand Finals League.

These are the songs that are participating, sixteen total. There will be fifteen rounds where every songs will face each other in a matchup (think DT and Haken League). After these fifteen rounds, the song with most victories is the winner.

Into the Black Hole
Age of Shadows
Day Two: Isolation
The Day That the World Breaks Down
Beneath the Waves
Dawn of a Million Souls
Isis and Osiris
The Sixth Extinction
Day Twelve: Trauma
Liquid Eternity
Day Twenty: Confrontation
Day Three: Pain
The Eye of Ra
Season of Denial
24 Hours
Perfection?

For the purposes of the predictions, Top 5 is what matters here.



The rules are the same as they were for Ayreon Finals, so this is basically copy-paste from my earlier post:

Quote
Before I begin explaining this one, three big things:

1. The order of your predictions matters here.
2. You can change your predictions without losing points, as long as you don't change the songs that you think you've got right from the beginning.
3. If you predicted that the song will get to Top 5, but guessed the wrong spot for it, you still get 1 point.


For the songs you decide not to tamper with (as in, not change either their placement or replace them entirely), if you predicted them correctly, you get 15/12/9/6/3 (correct prediction for the 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th place). For the songs you tampered with in any way (swapped their places in your prediction, for example), you get two thirds of the points—10/8/6/4/2. However, it should be noted, that this doesn't affect your whole prediction (unlike in Consolations)—if you change one song and leave the other intact, you can still get full points for the ones you didn't change. So it's possible to receive, say, 15/8/9/4/3 or 10/12/6/6/2.

Since this competition is mostly for fun, I'm going to reveal all of your initial predictions for this round—you also won't need to go look for your own predictions.

The songs that aren't in the competition are colored gray.

425:

1. Day Twelve: Trauma
2. Into the Black Hole
3. Age of Shadows
4. Day Two: Isolation
5. Intergalactic Space Crusaders

Elite:

1. Amazing Flight
2. Starchild
3. And the Druids Turn to Stone
4. Lost in the New Real
5. The Sixth Extinction

home:

1. Age of Shadows
2. Day Sixteen: Loser
3. Heart of Amsterdam
4. Earth That Was
5. Computer Eyes

Kwyjibo:

1. Day Two: Isolation
2. Isis and Osiris
3. Dawn of a Million Souls
4. Green and Cream
5. The Eye of Ra

MirrorMask:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. The Sixth Extinction
3. Amazing Flight
4. Starchild
5. The Fifth Extinction

Nick:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. Human See, Human Do
3. Day Two: Isolation
4. Day Twenty: Confrontation
5. Shores of India

Parama:

1. Day Two: Isolation
2. Perfection?
3. The Sixth Extinction
4. Day Twenty: Confrontation
5. Age of Shadows

Scorpion:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. Human See, Human Do
3. Age of Shadows
4. Isis and Osiris
5. My House on Mars

Tomislav:

1. Day Two: Isolation
2. And the Druids Turn to Stone
3. Into the Black Hole
4. Isis and Osiris
5. Phase IV: Unification

Train of Naught:

1. Into the Black Hole
2. Phase I: Singularity
3. Computer Eyes
4. Day Two: Isolation
5. 24 Hours

twosuitsluke:

1. Day Twelve: Trauma
2. Day Two: Isolation
3. Day Three: Pain
4. Age of Shadows
5. Chaos


Evermind:

1. The Sixth Extinction
2. Into the Black Hole
3. Day Sixteen: Loser
4. Age of Shadows
5. Phase I: Singularity

jingle.boy:

1. Day Two: Isolation
2. Isis and Osiris
3. Day Twelve: Trauma
4. Dawn of a Million Souls
5. The Storm

This is our last competition! I know this should've ended already, but I had some difficulties running this Survivor for the last few months, so we're still in it, but this is finally it, last 15 rounds and we'll know both the winning song and the winner of the contest. You can change your songs as you changed them for Ayreon Finals: you'll get full points for the songs you didn't touch and you'll get updated points for the songs you've changed or tampered with.

While there are only four songs from Arjen Lucassen Survivor, they may make an impact—but more importantly, the League format will make an impact. This last leg isn't a Survivor, it's a League, and so you should change or leave your predictions as they are with this fact in consideration. I feel the results may be a lot different from what we've got in, say, Ayreon Survivor.

I'll send a round of PMs reminding you to change your predictions if you so desire. You have slightly less than a week to change them, the sooner the better. The deadline is May 3rd.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on April 27, 2018, 10:53:13 AM
technically every song i picked is eligible but at the same time based on the results of the previous survivors if i left my results as-is i'd get less than favorable results  :lol
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on April 27, 2018, 10:56:49 AM
Jesus Christ my predictions are absolutely terrible
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on April 27, 2018, 11:54:00 AM
I'm not sure I think that any of the non-Ayreon songs will end up in the Top 3.  Eye of Ra might make the Top 5, but didn't most people shit on the fact that Perfection? won the Guilt Machine survivor?
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on April 27, 2018, 01:07:24 PM
Well, gotta think about it, especially now that I know that The Sixth Extinction is not that loved  :D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on April 30, 2018, 05:29:56 AM
New Top 5:

Into the Black Hole
Age of Shadows
Day Two: Isolation
The Day That the World Breaks Down
Eye of Ra

No offense Ruslan, but I'm not sure why we're going thru this just to see where the four non-Ayreon songs will fit in.  This has been going on for 16 months already ...
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on April 30, 2018, 06:05:56 AM
Well, that was his masterplan and I'd like to see it through rather than abandon it because he had issues logging in to the forum.... we've come this far, let's take the final step
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on April 30, 2018, 07:16:13 AM
Chad, I actually think the results will be pretty different with the League format.

I know this whole thing took a lot of time, and I apologize for that, but I'd like to see how this will play out.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on April 30, 2018, 07:31:59 AM
Yes, it's been a very long time but I'm curious how this will turn out in the end, so please keep going.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: home on April 30, 2018, 11:47:59 AM
New predictions:

1. Age of Shadows
2. Into the Black Hole
3 Eye of Ra
4. Day Two: Isolation
5. Season of Denial
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on April 30, 2018, 07:15:56 PM
tempted to just roll with my predictions because i'm too lazy/too indifferent to redo them & i have all five songs eligible anyways
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Elite on May 01, 2018, 01:16:02 AM
I'm definitely changing my predictions, but I'll have to think about what to change up exactly.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on May 01, 2018, 03:44:07 AM
I would put Age Of Shadows in 4th place and leave the rest as it is.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on May 06, 2018, 02:24:54 AM
Alright, got everyone except Tomislav. Starting either later today or probably tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on July 03, 2018, 11:20:21 AM
And here are the Results for Grand Finals League with the Final Standings on our scoreboard!

Grand Finals League Top 5

1. Into the Black Hole
2. Age of Shadows
3. Day Two: Isolation
4. The Day That the World Breaks Down
5. Perfection?

Ayreon Finals Predictions:

(Limegreen means the prediction was placed in the very beginning of competition and is correct. It scores 15 / 12 / 9 / 6 / 3 points for the 1st / 2nd / 3rd / 4th / 5th place. Orange means the prediction was changed before this Survivor started, but it's a correct one. It scores 10 / 8 / 6 / 4 / 2 points. Teal means your predicted song ended up in the Top 5, but in a wrong spot. It scores 1 point. Red means the song you picked didn't make the Top 5. It scores 0 points.)

425: 1. Day Twelve: Trauma / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. Age of Shadows / 4. Day Two: Isolation / 5. Intergalactic Space Crusaders
Elite: 1. Age of Shadows / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. Day Two: Isolation / 4. Perfection? / 5. The Sixth Extinction
home: 1. Age of Shadows / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. The Eye of Ra / 4. Day Two: Isolation / 5. Season of Denial
Kwyjibo: 1. Day Two: Isolation / 2. Isis and Osiris / 3. Dawn of a Million Souls / 4. Age of Shadows / 5. The Eye of Ra
MirrorMask: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. Dawn of a Million Souls / 4. Day Two: Isolation / 5. The Day That the World Breaks Down
Nick: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Human See, Human Do / 3. Day Two: Isolation / 4. Day Twenty: Confrontation / 5. Shores of India
Parama: 1. Day Two: Isolation / 2. Perfection? / 3. The Sixth Extinction / 4. Day Twenty: Confrontation / 5. Age of Shadows
Scorpion: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Human See, Human Do / 3. Age of Shadows / 4. Isis and Osiris / 5. My House on Mars
Tomislav95: 1. Day Two: Isolation / 2. And the Druids Turn to Stone / 3. Into the Black Hole / 4. Isis and Osiris / 5. Phase IV: Unification
Train of Naught: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 4. Day Two: Isolation / 5. 24 Hours
twosuitsluke: 1. Day Twelve: Trauma / 2. Day Two: Isolation / 3. Day Three: Pain / 4. Age of Shadows / 5. Chaos

Evermind: 1. The Sixth Extinction / 2. Into the Black Hole / 3. Day Two: Isolation / 4. Age of Shadows / 5. The Day That the World Breaks Down
jingle.boy: 1. Into the Black Hole / 2. Age of Shadows / 3. Day Two: Isolation / 4. The Day That the World Breaks Down / 5. The Eye of Ra

The Scoreboard:

Scorpion - 117 (inactive)
1. MirrorMask - 110
2. Train of Naught - 104
425 - 85 (inactive)
Nick - 82 (inactive)
3. Elite - 81
4. Parama - 77
5. Kwyjibo - 70
twosuitsluke - 59 (inactive)
6. home - 58
7. Tomislav95 - 52

Evermind - 114
jingle.boy - 87

And in this last round with almost exact same predictions, MirrorMask and Train stay in the Top 2 (not counting the inactive Scorpion - what happened with him?) with six-points difference. Next up is Elite (again, disregarding two inactive participants), who managed to get ahead of Parama in the last round.

MirrorMask, congratulations on your victory! I'll PM you tomorrow regarding the prize.

Once again, I want to thank everyone who participated in this. I'm really sorry this took so long, that was my fault and probably was a reason that some interest in this has dropped off, but at least we managed to finish it together with you guys. So thank you everyone for this incredible ride! That was a terrific experience for me still.

I guess I'm going to take a break from running survivors now, but I'll be checking this subforum and participating when I can.
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on July 03, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
Whoohooooo!!!! I did it!!! I won!!!  :metal I was just happy with having a good tournament and end up in the bottom half, I never thought until the penultimate run that I could actually win this thing!

Thank you for running this, you are a pro of survivors for the attention to every detail you put in this! And congratulations to Train of Naught, Elite and Parama for not letting me sleep tranquil until this last phase of the survivor  ;D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Crow on July 03, 2018, 12:37:01 PM
I'm the real winner by not even bothering to update my predictions for any of the finals rounds and getting almost no points  :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on July 05, 2018, 12:56:00 AM
Congrats to the winner :clap:

And a lot of thanks to Evermind for running this.  :tup It was long but it was fun.  :metal It got to almost a daily routine to check the survivor thread and vote for Ayreon, what am I going to do now with my free time?

I'm the real winner by not even bothering to update my predictions for any of the finals rounds and getting almost no points  :metal

I'm the real winner because I voted regularly for the best songs. It's not my fault that you all have no taste.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on July 05, 2018, 02:05:48 AM
It got to almost a daily routine to check the survivor thread and vote for Ayreon, what am I going to do now with my free time?

Yeah, that's kinda leaving a void, isn't it  :D

This was Evermind's World Slavery Tour as far as survivors are concerned, no wonder he's gonna take a little break from it now. A well deserved rest!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: jingle.boy on July 06, 2018, 06:38:15 AM
Congrats to the winner :clap:

And a lot of thanks to Evermind for running this.  :tup It was long but it was fun.  :metal It got to almost a daily routine to check the survivor thread and vote for Ayreon, what am I going to do now with my free time?

I'm the real winner by not even bothering to update my predictions for any of the finals rounds and getting almost no points  :metal

ditto to every word of this.

I'm the real winner because I voted regularly for the best songs. It's not my fault that you all have no taste.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on October 02, 2018, 03:26:51 PM
Aaaand boys, here we go.... the contest had a prize, I won it, and our ever gracious host Evermind went above and beyond to deliver the prize!!!

Here's something I totally didn't want to do but was convinced by Evermind that it was the right way to go: the unpacking video!

Actually there's two because I ran out of space on the memory card so it stopped and I had to continue.... it's raw, unscripted, unprepared and as live as it gets, babbling and all :D don't worry if you don't understand everything, even I rewatching the video I couldn't understand what I said in some times.

Since the video was done, I assume there is no point in sparing you the pain of hearing me talk for several minutes by writing all the details, just watch for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXGOHSzCtg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oReTJ2OiKQc

And, most importantly, let me know if you can see them, I never had interest in uploading videos on YouTube so I'm kinda a n00b for the privacy details.

Watch it all and all hail Evermind, grand master of survivvors :metal
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Evermind on October 02, 2018, 03:52:57 PM
Nope, unavailable. See PM. :biggrin:

Good to know it arrived though!
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on October 03, 2018, 12:51:06 AM
Sorry, did it late at night and then went to sleep. I will update it this evening. I had a hunch it had to be the other option, but I went for the full private anyway, silly me  ;D
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: MirrorMask on October 03, 2018, 11:15:59 AM
Aaaand they should be up now. Enjoy the package opening narrated in a clumsy and wacky way ;D

And as I said, all hail Evermind, greatest survivor host in the history of the Ayreon universe (and our own) :metal
Title: (Ayreon) Prize delivered, contest officially finished, thank you everyone
Post by: Evermind on October 03, 2018, 11:35:37 AM
:lol

I just had to add a lot of layers of protection for the package because I've dealt with Russian Post Service before. It's absolutely atrocious. But apparently everything got delivered just fine, so perhaps not absolutely atrocious.

I'm glad it finally arrived and it's actually very rewarding to see someone finally opening that box, glad it was you and not the customs officer! Which actually means this whole adventure—Survivor and Contest—has now officially ended.

Here's a pic of the trophy from my end before the shipping, if anyone's curious! You can see the plaque a bit clearer there—it's not glued to the actual bottom piece of the trophy yet.

(https://s8.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2018/08/ea2245bf9b6e13dddc5e8b23d78ea28c.jpg)

Oh, and for those curious, the items in the package ended up being:

- An unexpectedly huge (43cm instead of 25cm I ordered) trophy which was, ironically, made in Italy, also with a metal engraved plaque (see the pic);
- The Theater Equation earbook;
- The Theater Equation program (sold exclusively at the 2015 show);
- Ayreon - The Source A2 poster;
- Avantasia - Ghostlights A2 poster;
- Ayreon Universe lanyard;
- some Ayreon Universe stickers they gave me at the merch stand :lol
- Cellar Darling - This Is the Sound digipack CD (requested by MirrorMask);
- iamthemorning - ~, Belighted, Lighthouse digipack CDs (all three studio albums I added to the package as a shameless promotion of this excellent Russian band)
- a letter and a lot of packaging film and paper
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest [Prize Delivered]
Post by: Crow on October 03, 2018, 12:14:14 PM
blacken the sky, it's over
Title: Re: Ayreon/Arjen Lucassen 2017 Survivor - Prediction Contest
Post by: Kwyjibo on October 04, 2018, 01:06:38 AM
And as I said, all hail Evermind, greatest survivor host in the history of the Ayreon universe (and our own) :metal

+1  :metal

And congrats (again) to MirrorMask for winning this.