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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Fluffy Lothario on December 18, 2016, 04:54:22 AM
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Topic inspired by the fact that I've recently been giving Creedence Clearwater Revival some time of day (was always vaguely aware of them, but had never given them a proper listen) and damn is this some good shit.
I'll leave it up to you what you choose to define as classic rock. To me, any rock pre-1979 is good, though maybe not punk, and I think an argument could be made for some bands from the '80s like Dire Straits and U2. But I guess if you feel strongly about the entire '80s being "classic", then feel free to just include the whole decade.
Mine would be something like
1. Bob Dylan
2. The Grateful Dead
3. Led Zeppelin
4. Allman Brothers Band
5. Yes
Santana and King Crimson honourable mentions. Black Sabbath would be Top 5, but I'd rather not mix metal in there.
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Well, if The Beatles and Pink Floyd aren't on it then the list is ineligible. ;) So, here's mine...
Pink Floyd
The Beatles
Yes
The Doors
Rush
Honorable mention: Frank Zappa, King Crimson, and Queen
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1. Rush
2. Kansas
3. Yes
4. Styx
5. Kiss
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My top 4 came quickly using 1979 as a cutoff and trying not to get too far-fetched with the rock description (such as Stevie Wonder)
The Beatles
Genesis
Supertramp
ELO (this is the equivalent to your CCR kick at the moment)
Picking the 5th feels like Sophie's Choice, so I can just not offer it or throw an oddball out there that I could disqualify as more of an 80s band, but at least I can say they are like cocaine to me (hey, Clapton):
Van Halen
Sometimes my meta data gets screwed up (like The Eagles albums having the reissue dates instead of the original release dates, so they don't show up in a filter properly) and the library is so huge that there is probably a :facepalm: band I overlooked.
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It's so hard to narrow it down. I mean, like you said Sabbath is metal, but they are played on classic rock stations everywhere, so they would qualify? And a band like Yes is more prog rock than anything, but they get played on classic rock radio, too, so that makes them classic rock, right?
I'll make this nice and easy:
Rush
Pink Floyd
The Beatles
Queen
Led Zeppelin
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Led Zeppelin
Jethro Tull
Deep Purple
Black Sabbath
Pink Floyd\Genesis\Kansas (cheating here)
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I'm more of an 80s guy but I'm still in denial about the bands of my youth becoming "classic rock" :biggrin:
So my favourite 70 s bands would be
Deep Purple/Rainbow
UFO
KISS
Rush
Judas Priest
Just missing out on consistency
Thin Lizzy
AC/DC
Whitesnake
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I'm more of an 80s guy
Even more so for me - KISS , Van Halen , Doobie Bros and Chicago are about the only 70's bands that ever got much listening for me . I still need to check out a whole load of 70's material. As a rule I may struggle with the thinner sound of that era but there's plenty of cool music I have missed out on from that time. It even boggles my mind why , being a huge Ozzy fan , that I have barely even listened to early Sabbath.
Just missing out on consistency
AC/DC
That's a bold statement - too much? ;D
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It even boggles my mind why , being a huge Ozzy fan , that I have barely even listened to early Sabbath.
I love Ozzy. *Huge fan* might be an exaggeration for me, but I definitely love 80s era Ozzy.
But I'm in the same boat as you. I can enjoy Sabbath, but I don't go out of my way to listen to them. In fact, I usually enjoy the covers of Sabbath more than the Sabbath original. Kind of like a Dylan-Hendrix thing.
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It even boggles my mind why , being a huge Ozzy fan , that I have barely even listened to early Sabbath.
I love Ozzy. *Huge fan* might be an exaggeration for me, but I definitely love 80s era Ozzy.
But I'm in the same boat as you. I can enjoy Sabbath, but I don't go out of my way to listen to them. In fact, I usually enjoy the covers of Sabbath more than the Sabbath original. Kind of like a Dylan-Hendrix thing.
I love the first four Ozzy albums but am a casual Sabbath with Ozzy fan. I'll take DIO fronted Sabbath any day, plus the Tony Martin era.
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I love the first four Ozzy albums but am a casual Sabbath with Ozzy fan. I'll take DIO fronted Sabbath any day, plus the Tony Martin era.
We are Ozzy/Sabbath/Dio soulmates. Possibly even down to Tony Martin as I didn't buy my first Black Sabbath album until I heard the song Immaculate Deception. Until then, I just heard them nonstop on classic radio or borrowed a friend's CD.
More importantly, this is why Sabbath did not make my Top 5 Classic Rock list, despite the fact that I have no problem recognizing them as serious pioneers of the genre I consider one of my favorites. Hey. They say Yngwie is a Blackmore wannabe, but I enjoy Yngwie more than Blackmore. Great. Now we have something to fight about :lol
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I love the first four Ozzy albums but am a casual Sabbath with Ozzy fan. I'll take DIO fronted Sabbath any day, plus the Tony Martin era.
We are Ozzy/Sabbath/Dio soulmates. Possibly even down to Tony Martin as I didn't buy my first Black Sabbath album until I heard the song Immaculate Deception. Until then, I just heard them nonstop on classic radio or borrowed a friend's CD.
More importantly, this is why Sabbath did not make my Top 5 Classic Rock list, despite the fact that I have no problem recognizing them as serious pioneers of the genre I consider one of my favorites. Hey. They say Yngwie is a Blackmore wannabe, but I enjoy Yngwie more than Blackmore. Great. Now we have something to fight about :lol
No argument from me with any of that - need to try harder to be controversial :lol Having said that it's a long time since Yngwie recorded anything worth listening to.
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It even boggles my mind why , being a huge Ozzy fan , that I have barely even listened to early Sabbath.
Those early Ozzy solo albums are fantastic. It doesn't automatically translate into liking Ozzy era Black Sabbath.
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It even boggles my mind why , being a huge Ozzy fan , that I have barely even listened to early Sabbath.
I love Ozzy. *Huge fan* might be an exaggeration for me, but I definitely love 80s era Ozzy.
But I'm in the same boat as you. I can enjoy Sabbath, but I don't go out of my way to listen to them. In fact, I usually enjoy the covers of Sabbath more than the Sabbath original. Kind of like a Dylan-Hendrix thing.
I'm the opposite. I can't really listen to Ozzy's solo material without wanting to cringe (save for a few songs), but love the first few Black Sabbath releases. I think it's the musical style that does that for me.
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It even boggles my mind why , being a huge Ozzy fan , that I have barely even listened to early Sabbath.
Those early Ozzy solo albums are fantastic. It doesn't automatically translate into liking Ozzy era Black Sabbath.
Yeah - obviously not for me. I struggle with the plodding doomy stuff , but I still should've given those albums more of a shot.
Anyway - most of the real classic rock bands in this thread (Queen, Floyd, Zeppelin etc....) have been "best of" bands for me and , although I don't expect the strike rate to be super high , I really need to get stuck into the full albums some time soon.
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"best of" bands for me and , although I don't expect the strike rate to be super high , I really need to get stuck into the full albums some time soon.
Well from this:
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I'd go here next:
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Haven't thought about it very much, but here's what immediately comes to mind.
Kansas
Boston
Rush
Yes
Styx
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Haven't thought about it very much, but here's what immediately comes to mind.
Kansas
Boston
Rush
Yes
Styx
So close to mine!
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Are we listing our favorites, or just what we feel are the most influential?
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Are we listing our favorites, or just what we feel are the most influential?
Personally, I went with my personal world as opposed to what I thought the consensus wanted. So my favorites are also my most influential. Obviously, I tried to make sure it wasn't some obscure band.
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It's so hard to narrow it down. I mean, like you said Sabbath is metal, but they are played on classic rock stations everywhere, so they would qualify? And a band like Yes is more prog rock than anything, but they get played on classic rock radio, too, so that makes them classic rock, right?
I'll make this nice and easy:
Rush
Pink Floyd
The Beatles
Queen
Led Zeppelin
Weird, Kev, your opinions on music and mine are way different, but without looking, this is what I would have typed.
I feel like the Stones should be on there somewhere, so maybe they are #6.
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Nit a single mention of the Who. So dissapointed...
Mine....
The Who
Zeppelin
Rush
Floyd
The Dead
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It's so hard to narrow it down. I mean, like you said Sabbath is metal, but they are played on classic rock stations everywhere, so they would qualify? And a band like Yes is more prog rock than anything, but they get played on classic rock radio, too, so that makes them classic rock, right?
Classic rock radio plays stuff from the 90s, so I don't think anyone really has a clue what qualifies.
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Thanks lonestar, can't believe I forgot The Who.
The more I think about it, Floyd
Upon further consideration, the below are my top 4. #5 gets harder. I want to put Floyd there, there career is a bit more unique, taking a little more time to take off with a huge album, 7(?) years after formation, then only lasting three more albums during their peak, then splintering off for the downside of their career. Fuck it, Floyd is in. Queen and Rush are on the outside, looking in.
Beatles
Stones
The Who
Zeppelin
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Nit a single mention of the Who. So dissapointed...
Mine....
The Who
Zeppelin
Rush
Floyd
The Dead
Oh, man. I totally forgot about them. They wouldn't have been Top 5 for me but definitely deserve an honorable mention.
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Led Zeppelin
Deep Purple/Rainbow
Black Sabbath
Pink Floyd
Rush
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My favourite genre is 60s and 70s pop/rock (and pretty much all I listen to) so this is right up my alley.
1. The Beatles (favourite band of all time)
2. Beach Boys
3. The Who
4. Rolling Stones
5. Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band
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It's so hard to narrow it down. I mean, like you said Sabbath is metal, but they are played on classic rock stations everywhere, so they would qualify? And a band like Yes is more prog rock than anything, but they get played on classic rock radio, too, so that makes them classic rock, right?
That's why I didn't wanna create criteria - mine might be quite different to what other people would come up with. So as long as the band is old, can fairly uncontroversially be included on a list of rock bands, and you wanna include it, it goes, I guess.
For me, when it comes to Ozzy solo and Sabbath, I devoured Sabbath at high school. I've heard plenty of Ozzy songs on the radio that I really liked, and there are some of his albums I'm fairly certain I'd dig - off the top of my head, Blizzard, Diary, Tribute, No More Tears, and Ozzmosis - but I don't think I'd get into them as much as Sabbath, and I've just never gotten around to any of them.
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Using the broadest definition of 'classic rock', my favourite 5 are:
Pink Floyd
Dire Straits
Genesis
The Beatles
Led Zeppelin
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At random, off the top of my head, I'll throw out the following:
Bad Company
Boston
Heart
Journey
Lynyrd Skynyrd
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At random, off the top of my head, I'll throw out the following:
Bad Company
Boston
Heart
Journey
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Was thinking earlier, Skynyrd should have made my honourable mentions.
I only really liked Bad Co in their 80s guise with Brian Howe.
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I assume the #1 point of these threads is for people to discover something they didn't know about (or in a classic thread - simply overlooked or didn't give a fair shake).
So I'm wondering if people modifying their original list post with 1 to 3 songs they'd recommend others as a roadmap to what they like about that band.
As a personal example, I didn't give a crap about The Who all the way to my late teenage years. Didn't really care for My Generation, Who Are You and Pinball Wizard which seemed to be what Who fans always recommended to me.
Then Mr. Big did Baba O'reily at a concert and I told my friend "this feels familiar. It's The Who? This changes everything". Then WASP did "The Real Me" and I liked that a ton as well. Finally accepted The Who has some great stuff when I heard Eminence Front.
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Unless it's just purely "My favorite", I don't understand how the Beatles aren't on every list. They were legend in almost every way.
For me:
- The Beatles
- A Day In The Life
- Paperback Writer
- Strawberry Fields
- Led Zeppelin (listen to anything live before 1975 to understand how powerful they are)
- Over The Hills And Far Away
- Stairway To Heaven
- Ten Years Gone
Pink Floyd
- Time
- Comfortably Numb
- Shine On You Crazy Diamond
The Who
- Won't Get Fooled Again
- Who Are You?
- Join Together
The Rockin' Rolling Stones
- Gimme Shelter
- Street Fightin' Man
- Wild Horses
My favorite from that era:
- The Beatles
- Led Zeppelin
- Genesis (just listen to Wind and Wuthering, and you'll be fine)
- Deep Purple
- Smoke on the Water
- Space Truckin'
- Woman From Tokyo
- Yes
- Starship Trooper
- Turn of the Century
- Heart of the Sunrise
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The Who
The Kinks.
Tom Petty.
Simon & Garfunkel (Do they count? Some peeps have inc Dylan).
Television.
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Led Zeppelin
The Beatles
Pink Floyd
Boston
Queen
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Unless it's just purely "My favorite", I don't understand how the Beatles aren't on every list. They were legend in almost every way.
Even though I have never listened to a Beatles album in my life, I do agree.
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I have never listened to a Beatles album in my life
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:lol
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Unless it's just purely "My favorite", I don't understand how the Beatles aren't on every list. They were legend in almost every way.
Even though I have never listened to a Beatles album in my life, I do agree.
Nuggetz!
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I think there is a narrow list of albums - Tommy, Zep IV, Dark Side Of The Moon, Rumors - that are must listening, if for no other reason than to understand that which came after. It's like "musical education". The Beatles are one of the few bands that have THREE of those types of albums: Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, and Abbey Road. Even if you think I'm wrong on that last point, I think you have to at least have heard "Sgt. Pepper" to get where artists like Hendrix, Yes, Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, etc. are coming from.
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I've never heard Tommy or Rumours either. ;D
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My alltime 5 favorite bands
Rush (for their whole career, the only band I kept following through the years)
The Beatles (the first band I ever listened to, about 5 years after they were done and bought everything and sing all the songs, all the time back then)
Genesis (for what they made during the '70s until Abacab in '81. I wished I had seen them live in the '70s)
Boston (that guitar sound and voice, just great, real rock'n roll music)
Harmonium (the greatest band by far in my province of Québec, their second album is amoung the top 50 alltime prog album by Rolling Stones mag. But their whole catalogue is amazing, singing in french and touring the States and opening for Supertramp in Europe, you don't see that often.)
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Unless it's just purely "My favorite", I don't understand how the Beatles aren't on every list. They were legend in almost every way.
That's what I was implying earlier on.
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If I could only take five 70's acts to a desert isle, it'd be these:
Alice Cooper (band & solo)
UFO
Thin Lizzy
Rainbow
Aerosmith
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I've never heard Tommy or Rumours either. ;D
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My alltime 5 favorite bands
Rush (for their whole career, the only band I kept following through the years)
The Beatles (the first band I ever listened to, about 5 years after they were done and bought everything and sing all the songs, all the time back then)
Genesis (for what they made during the '70s until Abacab in '81. I wished I had seen them live in the '70s)
Boston (that guitar sound and voice, just great, real rock'n roll music)
Harmonium (the greatest band by far in my province of Québec, their second album is amoung the top 50 alltime prog album by Rolling Stones mag. But their whole catalogue is amazing, singing in french and touring the States and opening for Supertramp in Europe, you don't see that often.)
Your avatar has the source of my single favorite passage of music ever. EVER.
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Your avatar has the source of my single favorite passage of music ever. EVER.
Gee thanks! ;D
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I've never heard Tommy or Rumours either. ;D
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I know. I'm sorry. And I call myself a music fan.
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Do better, TAC.
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Now go to your room.
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Do I genuinely need to put the word 'favourite' in the title? What would even be the point of asking for a list with no personal aspect to it?
Also, I probably should have guessed the thread would become polluted with a chorus of "The Beatles shat gold" cuntery.
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a chorus of "The Beatles shat gold" cuntery.
This may very well be one of the awesomest things ever posted on this site. :clap:
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My personal five would be...
- KISS
- Rush
- Led Zeppelin
- Aerosmith
- Pink Floyd
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Also, I probably should have guessed the thread would become polluted with a chorus of "The Beatles shat gold" cuntery.
:lol
But... but... the Beatles!
Though I do kind of agree that if one considers oneself more than a casual music fan, one is almost certainly obliged to at least listen to a few of their albums.
Anyways... my list!
Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath
Rush
Pink Floyd
Queen
Honorable Mention would probably go to The Beatles actually
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Nit a single mention of the Who. So dissapointed...
I love The Who, but I just love a lot of bands more. :)
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Also, I probably should have guessed the thread would become polluted with a chorus of "The Beatles shat gold" cuntery.
:lol
But... but... the Beatles!
Though I do kind of agree that if one considers oneself more than a casual music fan, one is almost certainly obliged to at least listen to a few of their albums.
There is a difference between
"if you want to gain perspective on early rock music and hear some neat music, listen to some Beatles albums"
and
"you are not properly 'educated' on music until you've sat through X Beatles albums and enjoyed them",
let alone
"your taste in music is objectively cack if you don't blah blah blah sales in the hundreds of millions blah blah blah albums are holy documents blah blah blah invented the question mark".
What I'm seeing is along the lines of the second and third, not the first. And the reason I probably should have guessed that would be the case is because with the Beatles, it always is, in any discussion where their fans chime in with this crap, which is almost whenever they possibly can.
Take note of how little anyone else has insisted anyone else's personal list of top bands is wrong, flat-out wrong, if it doesn't include any other band. One thing I will give The Beatles: there is perhaps no band for whom fandom more frequently leads to the development of its own special strand of autism.
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Also, I probably should have guessed the thread would become polluted with a chorus of "The Beatles shat gold" cuntery.
:lol
But... but... the Beatles!
Though I do kind of agree that if one considers oneself more than a casual music fan, one is almost certainly obliged to at least listen to a few of their albums.
There is a difference between
"if you want to gain perspective on early rock music and hear some neat music, listen to some Beatles albums"
and
"you are not properly 'educated' on music until you've sat through X Beatles albums and enjoyed them",
let alone
"your taste in music is objectively cack if you don't blah blah blah sales in the hundreds of millions blah blah blah albums are holy documents blah blah blah invented the question mark".
What I'm seeing is along the lines of the second and third, not the first. And the reason I probably should have guessed that would be the case is because with the Beatles, it always is, in any discussion where their fans chime in with this crap, which is almost whenever they possibly can.
Take note of how little anyone else has insisted anyone else's personal list of top bands is wrong, flat-out wrong, if it doesn't include any other band. One thing I will give The Beatles: there is perhaps no band for whom fandom more frequently leads to the development of its own special strand of autism.
I'm the one that brought up the 'musical education' aspect of things, but YOU added the "enjoyed them" part, not me. I never once said that anyone has to LIKE them. I deplore Bob Dylan, can't stand him, can't even listen to him, but I'd be an idiot if I tried to say that he's not an iconic American musician. Not top five, in my opinion, but certainly top ten. His influence is immeasurable. And I hate him. :) And yeah, I did make sure I heard "Blonde on Blonde" and "Highway 61 Revisited". I feel like I'm not credible if I say "DYLAN SUCKS!" and "DYLAN'S OVERRATED!" if I haven't even heard the music in it's context.
My comment was very clearly - in both intent and execution - limited to number one. Fill your list with whatever band you like (and even if every person here put the Beatles on the list, that leaves four spots to debate, argue, and insult with). But I feel it's valid to question the credibility of the "TOP FIVE CLASSIC ROCK BANDS!" if you haven't even heard half the legendary classic rock output. It's like saying "list the ten best baseball players ever!" and only listing players you've seen live. No Babe Ruth, no Lou Gehrig, no... unless your 100 years old that is.
And the "autism" comment is out of line.
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Also, I probably should have guessed the thread would become polluted with a chorus of "The Beatles shat gold" cuntery.
:lol
But... but... the Beatles!
Though I do kind of agree that if one considers oneself more than a casual music fan, one is almost certainly obliged to at least listen to a few of their albums.
There is a difference between
"if you want to gain perspective on early rock music and hear some neat music, listen to some Beatles albums"
and
"you are not properly 'educated' on music until you've sat through X Beatles albums and enjoyed them",
let alone
"your taste in music is objectively cack if you don't blah blah blah sales in the hundreds of millions blah blah blah albums are holy documents blah blah blah invented the question mark".
What I'm seeing is along the lines of the second and third, not the first. And the reason I probably should have guessed that would be the case is because with the Beatles, it always is, in any discussion where their fans chime in with this crap, which is almost whenever they possibly can.
Take note of how little anyone else has insisted anyone else's personal list of top bands is wrong, flat-out wrong, if it doesn't include any other band. One thing I will give The Beatles: there is perhaps no band for whom fandom more frequently leads to the development of its own special strand of autism.
So, what's wrong with The Beatles? They are the Bethoven of the 20th century. People don't have to like or love them but what's wrong about the contrary? I just don't get your point.
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I think there is a narrow list of albums - Tommy, Zep IV, Dark Side Of The Moon, Rumors - that are must listening, if for no other reason than to understand that which came after. It's like "musical education". The Beatles are one of the few bands that have THREE of those types of albums: Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, and Abbey Road. Even if you think I'm wrong on that last point, I think you have to at least have heard "Sgt. Pepper" to get where artists like Hendrix, Yes, Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, etc. are coming from.
And you didn't even include the Beatles album widely regarded as their best 'Revolver'.
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The number of "firsts" that the Beatles accomplished (or, "fast follower" seconds, where they took a very little known idea and made it mainstream, like lyrics on a record. Zappa did it first, but after the Beatles, EVERYONE did it.) Listen to the snippet by Billy Joel on the bonus disk to the Greatest Hits box set, where he talks about being part of a nation that was stunned into silence by the assassination of John Kennedy in November of '63, and then not even two months later, we get these four aliens from Britain wanting to "hold our hand", and month after that, a THIRD OF OUR COUNTRY watched them sing "All My Loving", something else, and "Please Please Me" on television (virtually unheard of then for a pop group). They changed lives.
I love that line from John, when he was told that "no one would play a single that is seven minutes long" ("Hey Jude", which was 7:11 long): "They will if it's us." And they did; it spent something like nine weeks at number one.
One could make these arguments about Zeppelin, as well.
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Beatles arguments be like
NO, YOUR MOM!
NO, YOUR MOM!
NO, YOUR MOM!
NO, YOUR MOM!
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Really, the only knock AGAINST the Beatles is no whahibrido pickingant. It's really a glaring omission if you ask me.
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Well, yeah.
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Somehow the Beatles conversation lost me.
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Somehow the Beatles conversation lost me.
The Beatles shit gold and Fluffy don't like the smell.
Add me to the list who have never owned (or listened to) a Beatles album :blush
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Lessee...
King Crimson (on the strength of the Larks-era lineup alone)
Rush
Pink Floyd
The Beatles
Led Zeppelin
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Somehow the Beatles conversation lost me.
The Beatles shit gold and Fluffy don't like the smell.
Oh OK.
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I think there is a narrow list of albums - Tommy, Zep IV, Dark Side Of The Moon, Rumors - that are must listening, if for no other reason than to understand that which came after. It's like "musical education". The Beatles are one of the few bands that have THREE of those types of albums: Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, and Abbey Road. Even if you think I'm wrong on that last point, I think you have to at least have heard "Sgt. Pepper" to get where artists like Hendrix, Yes, Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, etc. are coming from.
And you didn't even include the Beatles album widely regarded as their best 'Revolver'.
I love Revolver (except for Taxman), but I don't think any Beatles is "widely regarded" as their best. It's certainly in the conversation alone with Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road, but opinions seem to vary quite a bit.
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One could make these arguments about Zeppelin, as well.
I do. They're dreadfully overrated and Robert Plant is terrible live.
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I think there is a narrow list of albums - Tommy, Zep IV, Dark Side Of The Moon, Rumors - that are must listening, if for no other reason than to understand that which came after. It's like "musical education". The Beatles are one of the few bands that have THREE of those types of albums: Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, and Abbey Road. Even if you think I'm wrong on that last point, I think you have to at least have heard "Sgt. Pepper" to get where artists like Hendrix, Yes, Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, etc. are coming from.
And you didn't even include the Beatles album widely regarded as their best 'Revolver'.
I love Revolver (except for Taxman), but I don't think any Beatles is "widely regarded" as their best. It's certainly in the conversation alone with Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road, but opinions seem to vary quite a bit.
But what other band - besides Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd - have FOUR albums that could legitimately and with objectivity be considered by the general public (as opposed to one fan living in the basement of his mom's Cape Cod) to be "their best"?
As for Zeppelin, well, I've seen Plant three times, and while he has his moments (not good), he has his moments (unbelievable). Just watch anything pre-1975 and see why Led Zeppelin isn't just not overrated, but perhaps even a little underrated. I have seen over 400 concerts in my life, some great, most good, some shitty, and the single greatest moment ever was in a Page-Plant show in Nassau Coliseum in '95.
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To me this topic always needs to be what's 6 through 10, because the Top 5 are a given each and every time. 6-10 are the much more interesting conversation.
5. Rolling Stones
4. The Who
3. Pink Floyd
2. The Beatles
1. Led Zeppelin
With that out of the way....
10. Van Halen
09. Aerosmith
08. Jimi Hendrix
07. Queen
06. ZZ Top
Honorables: Heart, The Doobie Bros., AC/DC
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Stadler, you've just gone on to support everything I was pointing out. THEY CHANGED LIVES. THEY MADE FOUR ALBUMS THAT ARE OBJECTIVELY MASTERPIECES. THE COLOUR YELLOW DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL THE BEATLES SANG ABOUT IT.
So, what's wrong with The Beatles?
I like the Beatles. They have some good albums, and Within You Without You is one of my favourite songs. I would ask why you would infer that that's what this is about, but it's obvious how you could completely miss the point based on your next sentence.
They are the Bethoven of the 20th century.
You realise it's possible to like the Beatles and not become a zombie spewing asinine overblown meaningless bullshit platitudes like this, right?
And so what if they apparently were "the Bethoven of the 20th Century"? It's a completely legitimate opinion to not like Beethoven, or Mozart, or Elvis Presley, or the music of the heavenly company in the clouds, or even, god forbid, The Beatles.
In fact, call me crazy, but I even think you should be able to emit these figures from your list of Top X Artists of whatever criteria without having someone immediately, like in the second fucking post of the thread, go, "well, your musical opinions are obviously ineligible because you didn't include Artist Y", or having a legion go on to vomit stats, superlatives and mawkish anecdotes ad infinitum, proselytising about the objective appeal of said artist.
And no-one would disagree with me on that, but for, evidently, one of those artists.
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In fact, call me crazy, but I even think you should be able to emit these figures from your list of Top X Artists of whatever criteria without having someone immediately, like in the second fucking post of the thread, go, "well, your musical opinions are obviously ineligible because you didn't include Artist Y", or having a legion go on to vomit stats, superlatives and mawkish anecdotes ad infinitum, proselytising about the objective appeal of said artist.
Oh lighten up and take a joke. Stop being so sensitive. ::)
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In fact, call me crazy, but I even think you should be able to emit these figures from your list of Top X Artists of whatever criteria without having someone immediately, like in the second fucking post of the thread, go, "well, your musical opinions are obviously ineligible because you didn't include Artist Y", or having a legion go on to vomit stats, superlatives and mawkish anecdotes ad infinitum, proselytising about the objective appeal of said artist.
Oh lighten up and take a joke. Stop being so sensitive. ::)
Now now, you're not conceding that easily, are you? Or aren't you a real Beatles fan?
Tell me how many #1 singles they had. Tell me how many albums they continue to sell to this day. Tell me about how they changed the face of music forever. Tell me about the songwriting wizardry of John Lennon and Paul McCartney, Peace Be Upon Them. Tell me how English is the world's lingua franca because the Beatles spoke it. Tell me about the arseless pants in your closet and your emergency fund for short-notice plane tickets to New York for the improbable, but oh so delectable chance that John Lennon might rise again from his ashes and walk the earth sodomising everyone in his path.
Don't you understand? There are people out there who actually think the Beatles weren't the greatest composers of music to have ever walked the earth, and question their godliness! This must be rectified! (Just as, hopefully, someday, John Lennon, PBUH, will go about "rectifying", if you know what I mean).
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I've never been a Beatles fan but accept their huge contribution to the music scene. I've heard Sgt Pepper (my ex wife used to play it a lot) but didn't like it, same with the White album. They are obviously on the list of greatest bands ever, just not my list.
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P.S. I love The Beatles, my dad is a huge fan and I grew up listening to them. My love for them is mixed in with nostalgia so it's hard for me to look at them objectively. I think they are great and would be surprised if at least one song in their entire catalogue didn't appeal to everyone, at least in some small way.
I've had many discussions about them with friends, there are plenty who don't like them at all. That's fine as they just bang on about some band they grew up on that I hate. With my generation, I find most people who didn't grow up listening to them really couldn't care less for them.
On a side note, my old flat mate once shot another friend of ours in the head with a BB gun because he said he didn't like The Beatles :lol in his defence he said "I just don't relate to The Beatles, they sing about holding someone's hand, I don't want to hold anyone's fucking hand!"
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Stadler, you've just gone on to support everything I was pointing out. THEY CHANGED LIVES. THEY MADE FOUR ALBUMS THAT ARE OBJECTIVELY MASTERPIECES. THE COLOUR YELLOW DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL THE BEATLES SANG ABOUT IT.
So, what's wrong with The Beatles?
I like the Beatles. They have some good albums, and Within You Without You is one of my favourite songs. I would ask why you would infer that that's what this is about, but it's obvious how you could completely miss the point based on your next sentence.
They are the Bethoven of the 20th century.
You realise it's possible to like the Beatles and not become a zombie spewing asinine overblown meaningless bullshit platitudes like this, right?
And so what if they apparently were "the Bethoven of the 20th Century"? It's a completely legitimate opinion to not like Beethoven, or Mozart, or Elvis Presley, or the music of the heavenly company in the clouds, or even, god forbid, The Beatles.
In fact, call me crazy, but I even think you should be able to emit these figures from your list of Top X Artists of whatever criteria without having someone immediately, like in the second fucking post of the thread, go, "well, your musical opinions are obviously ineligible because you didn't include Artist Y", or having a legion go on to vomit stats, superlatives and mawkish anecdotes ad infinitum, proselytising about the objective appeal of said artist.
And no-one would disagree with me on that, but for, evidently, one of those artists.
"Meaningless bullshit platitudes" lol. I think they were great. You may like them or not, that's it. In 200 years, they will still be remember because of their amazing creativity. Sorry for my "meaningless bullshit platitudes" comments. Just my way to show my deep and great deal of appreciation of them.
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Spewing asinine overblown meaningless bullshit platitudes is a daily occurrence for me. :lol
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On a side note, my old flat mate once shot another friend of ours in the head with a BB gun because he said he didn't like The Beatles :lol
How completely unsurprising.
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On a side note, my old flat mate once shot another friend of ours in the head with a BB gun because he said he didn't like The Beatles :lol
How completely unsurprising.
Literally triggered :lol
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In fact, call me crazy, but I even think you should be able to emit these figures from your list of Top X Artists of whatever criteria without having someone immediately, like in the second fucking post of the thread, go, "well, your musical opinions are obviously ineligible because you didn't include Artist Y", or having a legion go on to vomit stats, superlatives and mawkish anecdotes ad infinitum, proselytising about the objective appeal of said artist.
Oh lighten up and take a joke. Stop being so sensitive. ::)
Now now, you're not conceding that easily, are you? Or aren't you a real Beatles fan?
Tell me how many #1 singles they had. Tell me how many albums they continue to sell to this day. Tell me about how they changed the face of music forever. Tell me about the songwriting wizardry of John Lennon and Paul McCartney, Peace Be Upon Them. Tell me how English is the world's lingua franca because the Beatles spoke it. Tell me about the arseless pants in your closet and your emergency fund for short-notice plane tickets to New York for the improbable, but oh so delectable chance that John Lennon might rise again from his ashes and walk the earth sodomising everyone in his path.
Don't you understand? There are people out there who actually think the Beatles weren't the greatest composers of music to have ever walked the earth, and question their godliness! This must be rectified! (Just as, hopefully, someday, John Lennon, PBUH, will go about "rectifying", if you know what I mean).
I don't know why you're proselytizing. I'm not interested. You're so easily roused. Lighten up. Have a drink. Get high. Rub one out. Whatever works. ;)
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Stadler, you've just gone on to support everything I was pointing out. THEY CHANGED LIVES. THEY MADE FOUR ALBUMS THAT ARE OBJECTIVELY MASTERPIECES. THE COLOUR YELLOW DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL THE BEATLES SANG ABOUT IT.
So, what's wrong with The Beatles?
I like the Beatles. They have some good albums, and Within You Without You is one of my favourite songs. I would ask why you would infer that that's what this is about, but it's obvious how you could completely miss the point based on your next sentence.
They are the Bethoven of the 20th century.
You realise it's possible to like the Beatles and not become a zombie spewing asinine overblown meaningless bullshit platitudes like this, right?
And so what if they apparently were "the Bethoven of the 20th Century"? It's a completely legitimate opinion to not like Beethoven, or Mozart, or Elvis Presley, or the music of the heavenly company in the clouds, or even, god forbid, The Beatles.
In fact, call me crazy, but I even think you should be able to emit these figures from your list of Top X Artists of whatever criteria without having someone immediately, like in the second fucking post of the thread, go, "well, your musical opinions are obviously ineligible because you didn't include Artist Y", or having a legion go on to vomit stats, superlatives and mawkish anecdotes ad infinitum, proselytising about the objective appeal of said artist.
And no-one would disagree with me on that, but for, evidently, one of those artists.
Honestly? The problem isn't the people who proselytize about the Beatles, it's the people that seem to have a chip on their shoulder about the Beatles and refuse to acknowledge their greatness. ;) I kid, but I honestly do not know what you mean with your first sentence. I didn't say any of those things. I DID however, point out the FACT - not "opinion", not "love lorn wish of a scorned lover", not "irrational fan boyishness" - but FACT.
But really, this is just sword fighting. The REAL issue is really just that we're working under two very different assumptions. ALL I was doing - because I was the one that questioned why the Beatles weren't on every list - was understanding what the standard was. Fluffy, you're working on the assumption that "Top Five" means "the ones I like best". Under that scenario, you're 1000% right. There's no business for one person to say what should be on any other list. If "Top Five" is something more objective, well, you're "likes" (or anyone's "likes") are irrelevant. It IS foolish to say that OBJECTIVELY, the Beatles aren't in the Top Five. I think fifty years on, most people forget how innovative they were. Eleanor Rigby - today a harmless, innocuous, perhaps even naïve little ditty - was scandalous then. The list of things that literally didn't happen before the Beatles and now are common, accepted practice is as long as my arm.
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You make a great point, Stad. To say that The Beatles aren't in the top 5 of greatest rock bands ever is just someone with a personal thing against them. Nobody is saying one has to like them, but lets stop fooling ourselves and admit their place in rock history.
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I voted for who I liked and really top 10 would cover other bands that people have posted. I've never been bonkers over the Beatles but there is no doubt their place in history, their influence on so many bands and their groundbreaking approach to recording.
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You make a great point, Stad. To say that The Beatles aren't in the top 5 of greatest rock bands ever is just someone with a personal thing against them. Nobody is saying one has to like them, but lets stop fooling ourselves and admit their place in rock history.
Not to jump in the middle of this but it totally depends how you define "top 5 greatest rock bands ever". If you define that buy sales, cultural impact, and other measurable things, then yes they probably should be on that list. But if I'm defining that as my PERSONAL 5 greatest bands (read: the bands I like the most that are the greatest to me) the Beatles wouldn't make my top 100 let alone my top 5.
And I have nothing personal against the Beatles or Beatles fans, people can like whatever kind of music they want, I just personally don't like the Beatles.
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You make a great point, Stad. To say that The Beatles aren't in the top 5 of greatest rock bands ever is just someone with a personal thing against them. Nobody is saying one has to like them, but lets stop fooling ourselves and admit their place in rock history.
Not to jump in the middle of this but it totally depends how you define "top 5 greatest rock bands ever". If you define that buy sales, cultural impact, and other measurable things, then yes they probably should be on that list. But if I'm defining that as my PERSONAL 5 greatest bands (read: the bands I like the most that are the greatest to me) the Beatles wouldn't make my top 100 let alone my top 5.
And I have nothing personal against the Beatles or Beatles fans, people can like whatever kind of music they want, I just personally don't like the Beatles.
I think I made it clear that it's not about whether you personally like them, but just admitting their place in history. My issue is who people who personally don't like them but feel that should reflect their objective opinion. Tsk tsk.
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You make a great point, Stad. To say that The Beatles Led Zeppelin aren't in the top 5 of greatest rock bands ever is just someone with a personal thing against them. Nobody is saying one has to like them, but lets stop fooling ourselves and admit their place in rock history.
FTFY
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I won't argue that either. Personally, I think they're overrated but I would have to be blind not to see their impact.
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Again, why would I have started a thread where people made a list regardless of their personal preference? If I wanted a list of the Top 5 Best-Selling Classic Rock Bands, or the ones with the greatest impact, or whatever, I wouldn't even start a thread. I could put something together in my head in about thirty seconds.
I don't deny the Beatles' impact, though I maintain the discussion of it more often than not descends into completely empty and/or absurd claims. For example, some of the things I said in parody before aren't even things I made up. I have literally seen Beatles fans suggest English is the world's lingua franca because of them. There is being aware of a band's impact, and then there is nonsense. It would be interesting how quickly discussion approaches such crap, like in this thread ("the Beethoven of the 20th Century"), if it wasn't so predictable.
I also don't deny the impact of countless other bands. Think of the vast spiels you could trot out for almost every other artist mentioned in this thread. But no-one did, or ever does. Yet every topic that possibly can be is quickly reduced to "but how about those Beatles?", and the same pointless circlejerk we've all heard a thousand times starts up and kills the topic. Hell, if it's a topic where "The Beatles Shat Gold" types can possibly find an entrance, it's practically dead before it even starts.
Here's a comparison I assume some people can appreciate. I enjoy Monty Python. Not my favourite comedy ever, but their stuff was pretty good, and I can see the influence they had on later comedy. That doesn't mean that when I was at uni, I appreciated how many times I'd show up at a party, or be doing a group assignment, or meet new people, or whatever, and the topic of comedy comes up, and I'd find myself backed into a corner by some dead-eyed lunatics who just can't help reciting endless Monty Python jokes line for line. In the same way, I can like the Beatles, and see their impact, and still not appreciate every topic where the Beatles lunatics can find an opening becoming a reverberation chamber of "the Bethoven of the 20th Century" and "legend in almost every way".
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And again, you're still looking too much into what I said. You don't need to use someone's "superlatives and mawkish anecdotes ad infinitum" to proselytize on your soapbox. Just unleash the fookin fury on your own, Yngwie. ;)
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Fluffy, every time I start to perhaps see your point and give you the benefit of the doubt, you start in on the "lunatics" and completely lose your credibility. That there ARE "lunatics" ought to be all there is to know that YOU'RE the one missing the boat, and it's not "everyone else". ;)
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What's lingua franca?
Fluff, I'm not a Beatles nor a Monty Python fan. But I get it. It shouldn't be a big deal. It's cool, dude.
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What's lingua franca?
A means of communication between two peoples that don't share the same native language.
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Fluffy is going Helter Skelter.
Fluffy. I kid, I kid!
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Fluffy is going Helter Skelter.
Better not let him get his hands on a ......revolver.
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And he'll start the Revolution
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I think we should all just ...let it be.
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Yeah yeah yeah
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I said my goodbyes to this thread the night before.