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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: BlobVanDam on October 03, 2016, 10:57:49 PM
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King suggested this one to me, so I checked it out.
So far it's a fun show, with a pretty weak grasp of actual time travel. I like the characters and the premise so far, although they have little idea on how their time travel mechanism works. How do the timeline changes propagate through time? They weren't instantaneous, because they still knew about the Hindenburg disaster. It only seemed to update after they went back in time, but even then the crew still remembered everything about sending them back, except that now the Hindenburg disaster had changed. The show apparently has no concept of causality or paradox on the biggest factor of the show. It reminds me a little of an early 2000s time travel show called Seven Days, which had a similar looking time machine, and similar problems.
Anyway, silliness aside, I enjoy the revisionist historical aspect of the show, and all things time travel, and it's good fun so far, so I'll probably keep watching for now.
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Totally obscure show title. :lol Maybe I'll check it out, though.
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Not obscure so much as unoriginal and generic. There's a time travel episode of Voyager with that same name, along with apparently a lot of other things.
Also, I forgot to mention, the black guy had the best lines of the episode. "I am black. There is literally no place in American history that'll be awesome for me." :lol His conversation with the cop in the jail was also great, even though most of it would have meant little to the cop.
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I should have made that text green. :P
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So Blob, Eric Kripke who created the show created Supernatural which I like. Shaun Ryan the executive producer made The Shield which I love!
So far they jumped right into the action.
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So Blob, Eric Kripke who created the show created Supernatural which I like. Shaun Ryan the executive producer made The Shield which I love!
So far they jumped right into the action.
Executive producer is basically a "write my name on that" credit. :lol Never was a fan of Supernatural either.
As I said in the chat thread, there isn't any science fiction history for the people involved, and in that regard it definitely shows. But it is entertaining.
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Both have a track record so for me that's a good sign. Now it's up to the directors and writers to keep us engaged.
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I wouldn't be doing my job properly if I wasn't the fussy nerd. :biggrin:
I just watched the preview for next week's episode. Looks like it involves the assassination of Lincoln, and Nazi germany and Ian Fleming.
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The only thing worse than having no creativity is having so much that it seems forced. :lol
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Well the Lincoln assassination fits with the main arc of the show, which again may interestingly involve averting a tragedy in history for some even worse purpose, so that could be good if they keep it fresh. The Nazi bit is obviously a different setting, but again fits with the main story arc and what happened in the first episode. The inclusion of Ian Fleming is a stretch of coincidence, but from the trailer, they're definitely just having fun with that. The show doesn't take itself too seriously.
You should check it out and judge it for yourself.
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I really enjoyed the first episode. It was fast paced. You were thrown into fire in the first few minutes. Also, what Blob said there a nice undertone of humor.
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Is it on Netflix? Or do I have to find it on regular tv?
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NBC.
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I've recorded it....probably watch it Friday night. Funny thing is, my kiddos are the ones who were completely sucked in by the heavy advertising leading into it and they want to watch it REAL bad. So, we'll see if it can hold a 10,9 and 6 year old's attention.
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Second episode was also good. The bit in the previews with WW2 and Ian Fleming wasn't in this episode at all, that preview must have been for another episode to keep people watching after the pilot.
I really like the characters and plots of the show, I just wish they'd nail down their time travel better. They seem to have to rush before history changes, but there's no real elaboration on how it updates, and yet again when they get back, they're checking the history books to see what happened, without drawing attention to how the changes in history affect this operation. The whole thing with sending these guys back should be a paradox. At least they've given an explanation (although not a great one) for why the bad guys can't simply try again repeatedly to change the same event.
Aside from that, another enjoyable episode.
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Abigail meeting Lincoln was a cool moment.
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That moment when you meet your idol and you're fangirling hard inside but can't fangirl because your job is to play it cool and save history. :lol That was a good moment.
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I've been there myself! Except the save the world part. :lol
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I was like "hey, he's pulling a Back to the Future 2!"
Then he says "It worked in Back to the Future 2". :lol :metal
Nice to see a BTTF reference in time travel besides mentioning a flux capacitor. :P
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Heartwarming and a great line!
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Finally the Ian Fleming episode. I'd love to know how many different kinds of historically wrong this was. :lol They seem to take history about as seriously as their time travel though.
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Didn't see it yet. Do you find that it bothers you blob or it's just so fun it doesn't bother you?
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A bit of both. :lol
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:lol
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I just saw it the other day, three episodes I think, and I liked it. So far it's pretty OK, nothing to blow your mind but it's interesting enough to watch and it can grow to become something really good. I just hope they give it a chance and don't cut it short like what happened to Journeyman.
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Never Say Never...
Again.
Really? :lol
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Since I don't know much about US history, this episode didn't mean much to me. I'd heard of the Alamo and that Ozzy pissed on it, and that's it. :lol
I wonder who Lucy's real Dad is going to be?
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Blob, you see the new episode yet?
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Of course. It's not like I have anything better to do than watch shows asap. :lol
A pretty big episode for revealing details and getting everything out there. I wonder what's up with her "father"? Hmm.
I'd say this episode is as recent as they'll go. According to the rules they established in the first episode, this one must have been about borderline for Flynn. The old guy luckily wasn't with them, because he shouldn't have been able to go. I guess the newer time machine is easier to pilot, because the good guys only have one guy capable of operating their one.
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I got the dad right as she was walking up. It's a nice twist.
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Blob, the Queen and I loved this new episode.
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I really liked the concept, but their complete lack of understanding time travel was beyond facepalm-worthy. :lol I was yelling at the screen.
First of all, when is the timeline actually updating for the people still in the present day, and why do they act like the timelines are running concurrently? Ok, the time machine takes more than 3 minutes to return after Flynn does, so let's hurry up and start digging up where they landed to find the capsule thingy. News flash - it happened hundreds of years ago, they're long dead, and there's no rush. Anything Flynn did in the past has already taken effect too, so if the timeline is screwed, the timeline is screwed. And shouldn't the time machine aim to return immediately after it left? Both time machines should be doing this, so there's no reason for a delay, except for again mistakenly treating the timelines as concurrent.
And they had to hurry up to catch and guide the time machine while it was in transit. The time machine actually departed hundreds of years ago, how are they acting like this is something currently in progress? THIS IS TIME TRAVEL 101, PEOPLE! :lol If you treat this as realtime as this show does, there actually should have been an iteration of the timeline where they failed to get back and died, because the timeline had to update first for your message to survive till the present day. It's like they used Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure as their example of time travel mechanics.
The lesson is you just can't use causality when you treat time travel that way, it doesn't work.
And how did they perform that repair to the hull of the machine? It was this perfectly round patch that was secured with screws or something. Just how? It almost made the capacitor seem plausible (and here they put the obligatory flux capacitor reference, because time travel fiction will never live that down). Ignoring the unlikeliness of only requiring one capacitor to fix the circuits, and the ability to make a practically usable capacitor in those times, the charge it would hold and its reliability would be so worthless that they'd have probably been better off just bypassing it altogether.
As I've said, I do enjoy this show, but it is so damn stupid. :lol
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The round patch was the only thing that really bothered me. It looked to perfect.
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I forgot to mention, the Star Wars / Trek thing bugged me too. Come on, any scientist who is smart enough to invent time travel is a fan of Star Trek! :blob:
But I guess this show is aimed more at a Star Wars audience than a Star Trek one, if you know what I mean. :biggrin:
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That's because Star wars is more relevant right now.
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Depends on how you define relevant. If you define relevant as popular no question about it, but the message of Star Trek is as relevant as ever.
But I guess they were just aiming for the easy option. :P
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That's what TV writers do. Right now in pop culture Star Wars is king. That's the reference that reaches most people. Now you and I would geek out if they threw in Dilithium Crystals but I get where they were going with Star Wars.
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I know. It's not like I expect any better from US sci-fi these days. But one can hope.
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Your sci-fi wood is Canadian. :lol
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Canadian and/or British scifi is my jam, although I'll take it wherever I can get it. Hell, I even have 3 Indian time travel movies in my collection. :blob:
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Cool. I'm not a downloading guy but I do have BBC America. I need to watch more British shows.
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Blob, you should try Travelers. You might like it.
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Blob, you should try Travelers. You might like it.
I've been watching that one too. Since it's not airing in the US yet though, I don't really have anyone to talk about it with here. :(
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Ah, of course they had to do an episode about the Apollo 11 moon landing. :lol But that's fine, space flight is always cool.
A bit of a mixed bag. I liked that they included Katherine Johnson as a part of the story. I also liked that Flynn's plan to mess with the moon landing was based on a real problem they had, so it made sense to exploit that (although he also could have screwed with the mission at a much earlier time that wouldn't have involved a computer problem for Rufus to fix). Both of these elements are interesting pieces of history that I can't say I've seen used in historical fiction before.
Their depiction of technology was a dud though. The overall look of NASA was fine, but the computers depicted were way too modern. Rufus was typing on a plain old late '90s computer keyboard. You could see it was the standard modern 100% layout. They didn't have anything resembling that at the time. And the screen they showed looked more like '80s DOS, it even mentioned shortcuts for the F keys, and standard IBM PC drive labels. Also half of their technobabble was gibberish.
And also incredibly lucky for Flynn that his half brother died at the exact same moment as the moon landing! Changing his own mother's history to now include having a kid seems like an insanely stupid risk of wiping himself out of the timeline, given that she met his father as a widower working for a company overseas. A little bit harder to have such an important job and meet a dude with a kid isn't it? Pretty dumb move, and also a coincidence that she appeared to be related to the story. It's also one of my biggest peeves with time travel fiction of changing people's history, but the kids are still the same people. I've only seen one time travel movie even address this point correctly.
Also, they definitely broke their own rule of time travel in this one. I guess it was more of a serving suggestion than a rule, but that would open up even more problems.
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I agree with everything. Still an enjoyable episode. The keyboard was a big faux pas.
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I agree it was enjoyable too. But it's easier to bitch. :lol
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:lol
I did turn to my wife about the keyboard. I stuttered for a second and started to laugh. :lol
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A key that Bonnie and Clyde happen to have. Oh man. That clock didn't look all that hard to just bust into either. From what I could see, the letter starts with "My Dearest Wife, Never did I so.....". No idea what's going on there.
Episode starts with lady talking to family member she loves on phone. Episode ends with Rufus warning her to back off or people she loves will get hurt. Obvious setup is obvious. :lol
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I was surprised Rufus was talking. Well, he left a big hint.
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I'm watching the new eppisode and I can't get by the fact that George Washington talks like a dude from today.
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:lol Yeah, that bothered me too. Even 100 years ago they didn't sound like that.
I was excited to see Armin Shimerman make an appearance, and I'm interested to see how they've changed the timeline.
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Not enough lobes on him. :lol
Can we have 18th century dialog?!
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Even without makeup, there's plenty of ear on him!
And they couldn't even get a keyboard right in 1969. What makes you think they could manage 18th century dialogue and accents? :lol
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:lol
The acquisition of the boy and power!
I liked the story but the small details killed me.
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That could describe any episode for me :lol
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:lol
BTW the new trailer for War Of The Planet Of The Apes looks amazing.
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I forgot this show was back. A typical episode filled with as many historical figures as they could cram into one situation, including Houdini the master of parkour. :lol
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I know! :lol
It was a fun episode. I'm entertained that you know parkour! :lol
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Why? We both watch enough TV / movies and play enough video games to be familiar with athletic activities other people do! :lol
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:lol I was having a little fun. You are the king of the internet. There's things I don't want to know that you know.
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Blob, you see the new episode?
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Yeah, I saw it. I got excited when I saw Colman Domingo's name in the credits. Great casting choice there. He's about the only redeeming thing about Fear The Walking Dead, and did a great job here too.
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That's the one show that most have watched but I haven't. I can't believe I'm saying this but I can't watch every series on TV. :lol
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In the case of Fear the Walking Dead, you wouldn't want to. :lol Or does that also include The Walking Dead too? That's worth watching, although it's dropped off hugely.
And you still need to watch Incorporated. The season final was yesterday (for you), and ended very strongly. I really hope that gets a second season.
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My DVR is at 60% right now. :lol I'm on TV overdrive right now watching shows.
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Take the Homer Simpsons philosophy. :lol
"It’s not easy to juggle a pregnant wife and a troubled child, but somehow I managed to fit in 8 hours of TV a day."
What shows do you have on there to get through?
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Too many to list right now at work and any Homer philosophy is words to live by.
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How am I supposed to berate you for your television choices unless you tell me all of them?! Geez man!
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Tonight good sir. Tonight! :lol
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I have not watched this show, though I'm sure I would enjoy it. I'm surprised that there is no discussion that the character that pilots the time machine is named Rufus Carlin...
(https://cdn.moviestillsdb.com/sm/0baa2cd02c3b3ac319bc8cb77c094176/bill-teds-excellent-adventure.jpg)
Just saying.... ;D
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I must have been too overwhelmed by all of the show's shortcomings and other blunt cultural references to notice. :lol
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How the hell did I miss that?! :lol
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They fail every mission. How are they still operational :lol
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For as long as Flynn is out there, they still have a mission to complete. As for why this particular team is still employed, they have no alternative to Rufus to pilot the machine (for now), and they tried to replace Wyatt with someone they thought could better get the job done, but the other two threatened to quit. And Lucy has demonstrated a great knowledge of history that is essential to preserving history. And nobody else knows how the original timeline was supposed to be as well as her, now that everyone else has been affected by the timeline changes.
But mostly it's a TV show, and they don't have a premise if they actually succeeded. :lol
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Executive producer is basically a "write my name on that" credit. :lol
While true for movies, this isn't really the case for TV shows. The Executive Producers are usually the Showrunners or head writers.
From wiki:
Executive producer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_producer)
There are four meanings for the term in North America. Theshowrunner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner)is the "chief executive" in charge of everything related to the production of the show. It is the highest ranking individual who is responsible for the development and daily management of the show. Established show creators with prior writing credits are automatically given the title of executive producer, even after they depart the show. Executive producers can beshowrunners (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Showrunner), head writers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_writer), the CEO of the production company that distributes the series, or a producer on the writing staff who has climbed up the ranks.
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I find it is still often the case for television. I have no idea in this particular instance though.
I do expect it is far worse for movies given how many years projects often get palmed around for before getting anywhere.
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This was definitely my favourite setting so far. :lol
Looks like Flynn lied about Wyatt's wife's killer and got that other killer to cooperate. Maybe as a ploy to take out the team?
I'm surprised Lucy agreed about destroying the time machine. Even if it was right, would she really have given up on getting her sister back that easily for the greater good? She didn't even mention her sister at that point in the episode despite mentioning her at the start.
It was also an interesting case where Lucy didn't join the rest of the team on the trip, so now I'm trying to work out the logistics of whether she should now be the Lucy from that timeline and not know she had a sister. I don't know, the whole show is so screwed up in regards to updating the timeline that it's not worth the trouble. :lol
Will the events of this episode with her meeting + confronting her father put her on the path to switching sides, as Flynn has suggested all along with her diary?
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I agree with everything you said Blob.
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Blob, you see the new episode? They crammed 17,000 famous characters in this episode.
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:lol
Yeah, I saw it. It's just hard to comment anymore without going through my usual checklist. As many historical figures as possible crammed into one scenario? Check. Predictable progression of plot points? Check.
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It's still very entertaining but they'll run out of historic figures soon. :lol
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Season 2 -
Babe Ruth is hired by Rittenhouse to break FDR's legs for not falling in line with their plan, and the team has to make a difficult decision to preserve history.
Jimi Hendrix and MLK team up with the gang to stop a bomb from going off at MLK's speech. Rufus accidentally inspires Hendrix to play the national anthem at Woodstock.
Walt Disney is a secret spy for Hitler in WW2 who is actually fighting for Rittenhouse, and he's in a secret relationship with Marilyn Monroe, and must poison her to stop her from revealing his big secret, which is not revealed until the final episode.
Frederick Douglass and gang are the original inspiration for The A-Team, and Frederick Douglass uses the catchphrase "I pity the fool" throughout the entire episode.
Do you know how tough it was to think of historical figures they hadn't already crammed into S1? :lol
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Alright Blob did you see the cliffhanger?
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Yeah, I watched it later than usual thanks to my internet issues.
It's funny how quickly they wrapped up all of those threads at the start. The first we see of the gang and it's like "Rufus did the thing. We made it. Now to deal with your injury." Instant cut to Rufus fixed. "Rufus is all good now. Thanks fiance Doctor man". Oh but what about Doctor man? We haven't seen him in ages. "I'm breaking it off Doctor man. Sorry". Ok, that's done with too. :lol I thought last week they'd mentioned only being able to take a couple of trips in the lifeboat before needing to recharge, but that was apparently not an issue.
I think the turn of Flynn and the guy running the project was a bit too convenient, and taking down all of those Rittenhouse members (although that appears to be only temporary). It felt like they wanted something that worked as a conclusion if it gets canceled, although they've also set up plenty for next season. The girl's weird visions are maybe of alternate timelines or something? I like the possibilities there. I'd like to see her character play a bigger role next season. It was kind of silly that she was the only one affected because it was somehow designed to only carry exactly 3 people. Shouldn't they all have been affected?
I expected Lucy to read the journal and see some revelation to set up next season. I think we'll definitely see something in the first episode next season to set up a season arc.
You could see the mother's swerve coming at the end, but it was still like "oh shiiiiiii". It raises a lot of questions though. Was her mother Rittenhouse in both timelines? I don't see why not, but that makes no sense. Why didn't Lucy know about it until now? It seems like a stupid twist, but that's to be expected. :lol
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Yeah I felt it was way too rushed. I said the same thing to my wife about 4 people in the time machine, all would be affected.
The ending did surprise me a little. I do think though the timeline change was the reason she was in Rittenhouse. Maybe she knew in the other timeline and that's why dad was not in her life and the kids had no clue about Dad.
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Blob, a very darker tone for the 1st episode of season 2. A very good start. Nice surprise at the end of the episode.
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Not that much darker. I mean, Lucy shot a guy, but it was still family TV dark at best. The "surprise" was pretty obvious. :lol
I thought the start felt very rushed to change the premise to what they wanted, and they recovered to having everything working again pretty quickly, but overall it was alright. Again with the stumbling across historical figures. Oh we need an X-ray, well if it isn't the person who invented the X-ray machine!
You'd think with all of the extra trips the bad guys took to set up their own guys in history, they could have wiped out the good guys easily, but that would require the writers have a basic grasp of time travel mechanics. :blob:
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I can look through that they rushed it a bit. Luck killing was the surprise for me.
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When they showed the dude right after, he had no wound or blood. Weak! Where did she even shoot him?
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Oh this has season 2? For some reason I thought it was cancelled. Nice.
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Oh this has season 2? For some reason I thought it was cancelled. Nice.
It got cancelled, but then something happened and it was renewed, and for whatever reason it took them ages to get around to making a second season.
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When they showed the dude right after, he had no wound or blood. Weak! Where did she even shoot him?
Typical American TV. Cable shows blood. The 4 main networks don't.
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I just watched 2:1 last night (also watched the last episode of season 1 right before to refresh my memory (good thing because I had forgotten most of what happened). I think this is a fun show and like how the main characters mesh with each other. Also, since there is no such thing as "actual time travel," I don't really worry about inconsistencies with preconceived notions of "how time travel works." All in all, it was a very good start to the season, so I'm looking forward to it.
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Also, since there is no such thing as "actual time travel," I don't really worry about inconsistencies with preconceived notions of "how time travel works."
It has nothing to do with preconceptions, it's not even consistent with its own established rules. Even in a fictional setting, there are ways that time travel could logically work, and ways it doesn't, and this show isn't even internally consistent with its own weak contrived rules, let alone believable science fiction. The show is otherwise fun light entertainment though, in a dumb kind of way.
Sorry, I take my time travel VERY seriously. :lol
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pg1067, you just poked a hole in blob's vein. :lol
Blob, I think I'm like pg1067. i can suspend the disbelief and enjoy a show. Sometimes things bother me but for the most part it slides right off me.
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I'm so sick of the tired old trope of the lead male and female having to get together, but then they gave us the twist ending from out of nowhere! I'm curious to see how that happened.
I liked the scenario this week with Citizen Kane, since it's something I actually knew about, unlike some of the older US history they have. I would have liked to see Orson Welles though.
Adding Flynn to the team is another interesting addition, and I like that it involved something half time-travelly.
But why did the movie producer need to infiltrate Hollywood for 15 years to steal Citizen Kane and get a newspaper column? Kind of a lame plan imo, but I guess they needed to work it into the movie history somehow.
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I watched the first episode over the weekend and was surprised by the tone, I was expecting a dose of lighthearted dumb fun time travel romp (Like say Doctor Who/Legends of Tomorrow) - what I got was something trying to be (semi) serious and yet still dumb, kind off boring to be honest. Is it worth continuing with, or is the pilot a reflection on the overall tone of the show (I note the pilot does have one of the lower rating on IMDB)?
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I just watched the season finale last night. WOW! It's been less than a week since it aired, so I won't say anything other than that I'm looking forward to season 3 and hope we don't have to endure any drama about whether or not the show is renewed.
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I really enjoyed the ending and hope it gets renewed. Now to Blob, what drove you nuts in the last few episodes? :lol
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Well...the final scene throws some of the established "rules" into doubt. Supposedly a decision on renewal may come this week.
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Well...the final scene throws some of the established "rules" into doubt. Supposedly a decision on renewal may come this week.
They broke their own rules from the very start. :lol But all of their rules seem to be easily solved by tech, and not actual physics, so it's fine! :neverusethis:
I really thought they'd killed Rufus off for good until that ending, which I liked. They totally changed their mind on the vision of Rufus' death, but eh. So I wonder if future Lucy has handed over her journal yet or whether that's still in her future?
I really hope it gets renewed, because I enjoyed this season a lot, and there were some great emotional moments. The science was still garbage, but I'm used to it now. I like how nobody else found the time machine in its super secret hiding spot in a field covered by some leaves, and how it didn't rust to death being out in the elements for over 100 years.
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Writing in Klingon is the most irresponsible way to leave a message. In a book. THat was printed probably thousands if not hundreds of thousands of times. But I liked it.
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Writing in Klingon is the most irresponsible way to leave a message. In a book. THat was printed probably thousands if not hundreds of thousands of times. But I liked it.
Oh yeah, that was silly. You think something like that would slip past the internet? Hell no. Klingon isn't THAT obscure. It only takes one other person to notice it, and it would blow up. And figuring out they're coordinates would be easy too. They probably could have seen the damn time ship from Google Earth/Maps. :lol
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Yep :lol It was funny, though. If I were responsible for this, I'd write that scene to use some type of math equation or in Morse code or binary :D.
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Writing in Klingon is the most irresponsible way to leave a message. In a book. THat was printed probably thousands if not hundreds of thousands of times. But I liked it.
Oh yeah, that was silly. You think something like that would slip past the internet? Hell no. Klingon isn't THAT obscure. It only takes one other person to notice it, and it would blow up. And figuring out they're coordinates would be easy too. They probably could have seen the damn time ship from Google Earth/Maps. :lol
You nerd. :lol
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My Tivo cut off the last 4-5 minutes, so I don't actually know how it ended!
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My Tivo cut off the last 4-5 minutes, so I don't actually know how it ended!
:omg: :omg:
I assume it is or soon will be available through NBC on-demand.
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So...this is not exactly "new," but NBC apparently cancelled Timeless a couple months ago ( https://tvline.com/2018/06/22/timeless-cancelled-no-season-3-nbc/ ) but subsequently announced that it has ordered a two-part finale to wrap up the series ( https://tvline.com/2018/07/31/timeless-renewed-season-3-finale-movie-date-nbc/ ).
I'm bummed, but this is certainly better than leaving the series hanging. Hopefully there's still a chance of it being picked up by a non-network outlet.
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Crap.
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Well it was lucky to even get a second season, so this isn't surprising. I'm glad it's getting some kind of wrap-up though. I'd rather it not end on a cliffhanger where they've killed off the black guy. :biggrin: