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Title: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Nick on September 14, 2016, 11:30:58 AM
Old one here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=24999.0

EDIT to include future release dates, because I'm tired of always having to look them up:

Thor: Ragnarok - November 3, 2017
Black Panther - February 16, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War - May 4, 2018
Ant Man and the Wasp - July 6, 2018
Captain Marvel - March 8, 2019
Avengers: Infinity War – Part 2 - May 3, 2019
untitled Spider Man film - July 5, 2019
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - tbd
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: kaos2900 on September 19, 2016, 06:33:35 AM
Finally watched Civil War over the weekend. Another great Marvel movie. It really is impressive that they can continue to make these movies so good with the amount of characters in them.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on September 19, 2016, 09:17:54 AM
Really enjoyed the Spiderman Cameo in Civil War (although it's a bigger part than a Cameo).   As much as I enjoyed the Sam Raimi Trilogy I always felt they never quite got Spidey right.   The two Amazing Spiderman films were dreadful thankfully dreadful enough for Sony to ditch the brand and allow Spidey to go back to where he belongs - really looking forward to Homecoming now.

Mixed feeling about Doc Strange.  Perfect casting for the lead role, but the trailer left me a bit cold.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on September 23, 2016, 09:49:23 AM
So Agents of Shield season 4 started this week, anyone seen it yet?

I thought it was a fine episode. I was a bit worried about Ghost Rider coming on, since my image of him is so far away from the rest of the MCU. But, although that car flip thing was a bit silly, I think they handled him well and set up something that could be cool.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 23, 2016, 09:57:45 AM
So Agents of Shield season 4 started this week, anyone seen it yet?

I thought it was a fine episode. I was a bit worried about Ghost Rider coming on, since my image of him is so far away from the rest of the MCU. But, although that car flip thing was a bit silly, I think they handled him well and set up something that could be cool.
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It was.....okay. And I say that as a huge fan of the show. Lots of set up and pretty much nothing else. There was one cool subtle moment though.

**spoilers**

When ghost rider defeats daisy and she says to kill her, he looks in her eyes and walks away because she's not worth killing and therefore not worth his attention.

Still not a huge fan of this version of the rider. I stopped reading his comics as Robby pretty early one out of boredom. Wish they stuck with classic rider. Ah well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on September 26, 2016, 06:37:53 AM
Captain America : Civil War is on PS4 to rent.

I fancy watching it later. How does it compare to The Winter Soldier ?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on September 26, 2016, 07:03:38 AM
I think it's better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 26, 2016, 09:00:36 AM
I think it's better.
I agree, but it's not a TON better.  Winter Soldier is fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on September 26, 2016, 10:30:25 AM
Winter Soldier is definitely better but Civil War was good too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 27, 2016, 02:44:54 AM
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. got a good season start, I think.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 27, 2016, 07:33:31 AM
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. got a good season start, I think.
I agree.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on September 27, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
Yeah, definitely enjoyed the Shield premiere.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 27, 2016, 10:50:41 AM
And in new that I doubt very many people found surprising, Benedict Cumberbatch kind of confirmed that Dr. Strange would be appearing in Avengers: Infinity War.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 10:58:00 AM
I think i've seen TWO MCU films at the cinema - Ant Man and Avengers Assemble.

But Dr. Strange looks great. I'll go see that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2016, 11:01:05 AM
I just hope Strange has a plot that matches the creativity of the visuals.

Origin stories, in the MCU, tend to follow the formula of "Guy gets powers, fights bad version of guy with the same powers....wins". I hope this isn't just that again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on September 27, 2016, 11:03:56 AM
I just hope Strange has a plot that matches the creativity of the visuals.

Origin stories, in the MCU, tend to follow the formula of "Guy gets powers, fights bad version of guy with the same powers....wins". I hope this isn't just that again.

Yeah and Iron Man 2 was basically that and they forgot the entire plot. But they also forgot the end battle too.

Mickey Rourke showed up for 5 mins and was defeated almost instantly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on September 27, 2016, 11:05:59 AM
I love Mads Mikkelsen as an actor so I'm looking forward to him playing the lead bad guy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on September 28, 2016, 03:26:45 AM
Can't wait for Dr.Strange!
However, my expectations aren't huge when it comes to the villain.
Marvel makes great movies, and have been on a roll lately. Their villains however, are generic as hell. They work for the plot, but are overall very forgettable.
Mads Mikkelsen is great though, so it might be good!

Villains in the MCU:

Great: Loki, Winter Soldier
Ok: Ultron, Obadiah Stane, Red Skull, Zemo
Forgettable: Malekith, Yellowjacket, Abomination, Ronan, Killian, Alexander Pierce
Stupid: The fake Mandarin, Whiplash (where's my burd)

The Marvel Tv-shows are doing it right though! Fisk and Killgrave are right next to Loki in terms of awesomeness!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2016, 08:57:25 AM
Their villains however, are generic as hell.

Despite that a lot of people say this, I don't see it.  While some of their villains haven't been great, they've all been at minimum pretty good.  I don't get what the criticism is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 28, 2016, 10:37:43 AM
The criticism is that they are one-dimensional and have no depth.  "I am evil, therefore I must oppose the protagonist!"  "Hey, we need a bad guy - he doesn't need motivation, he just needs to be bad!" *fight*

Marvel certainly gets good actors to portray their villains, which helps to mask the problem somewhat.

And some of it has to do with how long the actors have to work with the roles.  I don't think it is any coincidence that Marvel's best villains, far and away, have been Loki, Wilson Fisk, and Kilgrave, the ones that have had the most screen time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2016, 10:45:36 AM
Yes, that is what is commonly said.  But given that they aren't one dimensional and do have depth and motivation, I don't get the criticism.  It just doesn't hold much water for me. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 28, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
Sorry you don't get it, but the reason it is commonly said is that a lot of people commonly DO get it.  It's not like it's the cool thing to say or anything.

If it doesn't bother you, that's fine; it doesn't bother me all that much, but I wish they would put a little more effort into their antagonists.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2016, 11:49:41 AM
It doesn't bother me for the same reason I don't get people saying it:  there simply isn't anything to be bothered about.  The antagonists in their movies range from great to not bad.  It's not that it's a complicated argument that I can't grasp.  It's a faulty argument that I can't grasp people in their right mind even making.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on September 28, 2016, 11:51:21 AM
Does anyone else really care about the continuity of the MCU ?

I watch them sporadically and not in any order and the through lines don't really get lost on me. I watch them as their own self contained movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 28, 2016, 11:54:05 AM
Does anyone else really care about the continuity of the MCU ?

Yes.  They (intentionally) build upon each other quite nicely, and there really is a logical flow and continuity to the overall storyline that adds to the overall experience of watching any single film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 28, 2016, 11:55:26 AM
See, villains like Loki, Zemo, Ultron, Obadiah, and Winter Soldier range from good to great.

Villains like Justin Hammer, Mickey Rourke, Red Skull, Abomination, and Darren Cross are....not bad, but not good.

While Killian, Maliketh and Ronin are all terrible.

The problem for someone like me is that "not bad" isn't good enough. So that's most of the villains falling below the acceptable line.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 28, 2016, 11:56:20 AM
It doesn't bother me for the same reason I don't get people saying it:  there simply isn't anything to be bothered about.  The antagonists in their movies range from great to not bad.  It's not that it's a complicated argument that I can't grasp.  It's a faulty argument that I can't grasp people in their right mind even making.
And yet it's a common (although minor) criticism.  But whatever.

*shrugs and points to Malekith*
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 28, 2016, 11:56:44 AM
Does anyone else really care about the continuity of the MCU ?

I watch them sporadically and not in any order and the through lines don't really get lost on me. I watch them as their own self contained movie.

Yes. The character development of the characters from Iron Man to Cap 3 is really something and the movies lack a level of depth if you don't have it.

It's like a TV show. It's hard to watch episodes 3 6 and 8 of Game of Thrones and  have a full appreciation while ignoring the other episodes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on September 28, 2016, 12:44:32 PM
Darren Cross is my least favorite of their villains so far. Just terrible.

And I care very much about the continuity of the MCU. I watch it all in order and find it very fun to keep up with all the referenses and cross over stuff. It's part of what makes the MCU so fun to invest time in.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 28, 2016, 08:49:24 PM
Wasn't super impressed with the first episode of the season of Agents, some cool moments, but mostly just a ton of set up. Second episode was pretty awesome though, very curious where it's all going.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on September 29, 2016, 01:16:10 AM
Yeah if your picking holes in this Marvel Universe then the Villains have generally been an afterthought.  The other issue is lack of character deaths so far, there is rumours around that Quicksilver will be returning at some point - and he's the only one that's died so far.  I really think they missed a trick by not killing of War Machine in Civil War - It would have given the Airport scene/battle a proper payoff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on September 29, 2016, 01:27:38 AM
I'm not saying that the villains ruin the movie. The movies are awesome! But as soupytwist says. They feel like an afterthought at times.
I am one of the few who actually think Zemo worked pretty well in Civil War. His motivations where clear, even though his plan worked out a bit to well..but hey! It's a comic book movie!
There will be some pretty sweet villains the coming years. Ragnarok in Thor 3. Vulture and The Shocker in Spider Man: Homecoming. Then you have Thanos in Infinity War, and Man-Ape was just confirmed for the Black Panther movie.

I agree about the lack of deaths. Even though I like War Machine, his character is kind of expendable, and his death would have made Civil War a bit more interesting (even though I love that movie to death).
Infinity War will probably kill of one or two characters. Vision is powered by an Infinity Stone...just sayin'..
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 29, 2016, 07:35:36 AM
The Russo brothers said they actually considered killing off several different characters in Civil War, but they felt that would make the focal point of the movie the death of a well-known character, rather than the divide between Tony and Steve.  They didn't want anything else to overshadow that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on September 29, 2016, 07:54:14 AM
I don't think War Machine dying would overshadow that, I think it would have strengthen it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 29, 2016, 07:57:19 AM
I don't think War Machine dying would overshadow that, I think it would have strengthen it.
I don't know.  I think it would have been a token death, a death for the sake of having someone die.  He's not an important enough character that his death would be THAT meaningful, so it would be a waste of using a death as a plot device IMO.

On the other hand, a more important character dying would, as the Russo brothers said, have been a distraction from the point of the film.

So I agree with their decision.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 29, 2016, 08:10:48 AM
I don't think War Machine dying would overshadow that, I think it would have strengthen it.

I would tend to agree.  And with the darker tone of Civil War, I think it kinda needed something like that.  I see what Hef is saying too, and while there is definitely something to that, I think what would have given it gravitas is the relationship that Tony had with Rhodey.  As the audience, we may not care overly about Rhodey, but the impact that that death IMO would have had on Tony would give it more weight for us and, more importantly, would have given more weight to Tony's inner conflict and his conflict with Cap.

But whatever.  Stuff like that is just something you have to know is going to be an issue going in.  You either accept it or get tied in knots over it and let it ruin the experience for you. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on September 30, 2016, 05:27:05 AM
So I just watched the two first episodes of Luke Cage (NO SPOILERS).
I'm liking it so far. A bit of a slow start, but I guess it's necessary to introduce characters and set up the story.
There's some awkward references to The Avengers and the other shows in the beginning, but I guess they just did that to remind everyone that this is set in the same universe. I forgot about it pretty quick.
Shit was starting to get real in the second half of the second episode. Can't wait to continue the binge!
This show is more of a Harlem based gangster-show, and it works pretty well so far.
Performances are great, and the way it's shot is really cool.
One thing is sure: Luke Cage is a complete badass!  :metal

I'm loving how these Marvel shows are connected, yet they still manage to get a unique tone for each show.
I'm not sure how this will compare to JJ and Daredevil. It doesn't have the same immediate impact that Daredevil had, but neither did Jessica Jones, and I ended up loving it. I'm positive this will end up another great Marvel-show!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 30, 2016, 11:41:48 AM
I am 3 episodes in, and it's fantastic.

Definitely set in the same world (city) as DD and JJ, but definitely has a different tone than either of those (and they are different from each other), and a different neighborhod (Harlem, instead of Hell's Kitchen).  Also great to see returning character Turk, and his comment on going back to Hell's Kitchen.

Mike Colter is great as Cage.  Can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2016, 11:44:40 AM
I have a beautiful single lady visiting and staying with me today through Monday.

And it's sucks cause I have to till Monday to start Luke Cage!

Now I know how Brody from Mallrats felt.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on September 30, 2016, 02:55:46 PM
2 episodes in and I like it so far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 02, 2016, 07:32:19 AM
Just finished Luke Cage.

Sweet Christmas!

Very enjoyable! Overall, I think Daredevil and Jessica Jones were both a little better, but overall, thumbs up. Mike Colter was great as Luke Cage, and I loved all of the ways the show was connected to the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe. I even caught a Stan Lee cameo (kind of).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 02, 2016, 07:44:49 AM
I've watched 7 episodes so far, and I am really liking it. I was supposed to binge it last night, but Netflix was down for hours.. It really pissed me off  :angry:
JJ and Daredevil season 1 was better, but not by a long shot. So far I'm enjoying it more than DD season 2, but I loved DD season 2 as well. These Marvel-shows are so consistent! Can't wait for Iron Fist and The Defenders  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2016, 07:12:18 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ozzy554 on October 03, 2016, 08:45:03 AM
I finished Luke Cage yesterday and overall I really enjoyed it. Though it is my least favorite of the Marvel Netflix shows so far. Really my only complaint is what I thought was the lack of a strong villain. The villains were not bad by any means but after Fisk and Kilgrave maybe I had set the bar too high for this one to match in that area.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 03, 2016, 09:21:21 AM
I finished Luke Cage yesterday and overall I really enjoyed it. Though it is my least favorite of the Marvel Netflix shows so far. Really my only complaint is what I thought was the lack of a strong villain. The villains were not bad by any means but after Fisk and Kilgrave maybe I had set the bar too high for this one to match in that area.
I actually like Cottonmouth, but wasn't as keen on Diamondback.  Not going to discuss potential spoilers, for people who haven't caught it yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 03, 2016, 09:29:02 AM
I'm up to episode 9 at the moment and I'm really liking it, althoug it got off to a very slow start. Rosaria Dawson really shines in the second half of the series though.

So does the rest of the cast, to be honest.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 03, 2016, 02:43:12 PM
Just finished the show. As I said before, I really liked it. However, after finishing it, it's probably my least favorite of the Marvel-shows.
Daredevil s 2 really picked it up in the last couple of episodes. This one was a bit lacking in the villain-department, was a bit to slow at times and became a bit too cheesy at points in the end. But still, it's a really great show. Putting this at the bottom of the list really only shows how great Daredevil and Jessica Jones are.
Can't wait for Iron Fist and The Defenders!  :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on October 04, 2016, 01:29:16 AM
Just finished the show. As I said before, I really liked it. However, after finishing it, it's probably my least favorite of the Marvel-shows.

Does that include the non Netflix ones?  AoS and Agent Carter?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 04, 2016, 02:17:36 AM
It's the Netflix-shows. I haven't seen Agent Carter.
AoS is definitely below Luke Cage IMO.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 04, 2016, 10:58:17 AM
Just announced: The Iron Fist premiere date is March 17th next year! :metal

(https://www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2016/10/ironfistpremieredate.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on October 04, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
Finished it today. I'm not as hyped as others seem to be, mostly because I don't think Luke Cage is a very interesting character. I was more intrigued by most of the support characters. Also, for the majority of the season there was no tension in any of the action scenes. It was just Luke kicking ass without much effort or even so much as a non-natural facial expression. I know they tried to make the pain emotional to make up for it, but most of the time it didn't work all that great for me. Spending more time with Pop would have made his death a bit more resonant. As it was now he was mostly a walking chliche-machine who only became interesting after his death, when we find out more about him.

I liked Cottonmouth, and the actor playing him. Him and Shades were both really cool villains. As cool as Fisk? Probably not. As cool as Kilgrave? Hell no.

I did like it overall though, and I am very much looking forward to seeing Cage with the others in The Defenders. But I agree with what a lot of others here are saying; it's my least favorite of the Marvel Netflix shows.

Does that include the non Netflix ones?  AoS and Agent Carter?

I'd say it's above AoS. Maybe not by much, since I have really grown to like that show, and it has three more seasons of developing its characters. But Luke Cage is definetely way the hell above Agent Carter.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2016, 02:48:39 PM
So, I'm sorry to ask a dumb question, but I just saw a commercial where Iron Man and Captain America are fighting. Is this like Batman vs Superman? That didn't make sense either.
Why are they fighting?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on October 04, 2016, 03:30:16 PM
So, I'm sorry to ask a dumb question, but I just saw a commercial where Iron Man and Captain America are fighting. Is this like Batman vs Superman? That didn't make sense either.
Why are they fighting?

Short explanation: team Iron Man wants the government to control the super heroes and use them whenever the government feels like it, team Captain America wants them to be able to do whatever the fuck they want without any accountability
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2016, 03:37:54 PM
You'd think Captain America would be pro-government, no?

Who is on who's side?
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Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 03:38:43 PM
You'd think Captain America would be pro-government, no?

Who is on who's side?

Just watch Civil War.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2016, 03:41:44 PM
Are The Wonder Twins still a thing?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 03:45:07 PM
Are The Wonder Twins still a thing?

There's actually two sets of wonder twins now since scarlet witch is there along with scarlet Johansson.
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Post by: TAC on October 04, 2016, 03:47:40 PM
You lost me! :lol

If I recall, one would turn into an element, and the other an animal?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 04:06:13 PM
You lost me! :lol

If I recall, one would turn into an element, and the other an animal?

In my post, I used the term wonder twins to mean boobs.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2016, 04:35:25 PM
Oh.. how wonder-full!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2016, 05:24:03 PM
Have you seen ANY of the Marvel movies?

To expound just a bit on what Zantera said, the basic background is:  Since superheroes started coming on the scene, alien invaders (Avengers; Thor 2), fights with Hydra and other villains (Winter Soldier, Iron Man 3, Civil War), fights between superheroes themselves (Age of Ultron), and between superheroes and things they created (Age of Ultron) keep causing mass destruction and deaths of innocents.  People are scared and want superheroes reined in.  A U.N.-like body of governments led by the U.S. comes together and adopts a series of accords limiting superheroes' rights to function without government oversight and requires all "enhanced individuals" to be registered with the government. 

Tony Stark (Iron Man), driving primarily by guilt over a lot of the problems he has caused, believes this is a good and necessary thing, and zealously backs the accords and the government.  Captain America believes this is anti-freedom, and that there is something sinister behind it that needs to be uncovered.  He also believes that, at times, threats are so great that there is a need to act immediately, and that wading through red tape will cause delays that will cost lives.  The conflict is actually set up very well so that you can really see both sides of the argument.  The "teams" are: 

Pro-accords:  Iron Man, War Machine, Black Widow, Black Panther, Vision, Spider Man

Anti-accords:  Captain America, Hawkeye, Falcon, Winter Soldier, Ant Man, Scarlet Witch, Sharon Carter (sort of)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2016, 05:31:43 PM
Have you seen ANY of the Marvel movies?
 

Hell no! :lol


 ....awesome synopsis...

Pro-accords:  Iron Man, War Machine, Black Widow, Black Panther, Vision, Spider Man

Anti-accords:  Captain America, Hawkeye, Falcon, Winter Soldier, Ant Man, Scarlet Witch, Sharon Carter (sort of)

Thanks Bosk, that was what I was looking for. I saw the scenes and was wondering what it was all about.

Who is Ant Man?? :lol

Is this a made for movie concept or was this in an old 70's comic book? Sounds like they are copying Batman vs Superman, no?

How does the movie end?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
It was done as a huge comic crossover series in, I believe, the '90s.  I was no longer reading comics by then, but have read synopses of the storyline, and it is really good by all accounts.  So, no, it is definitely not copying Batman vs. Superman at all.  Any similarity is really BvS ripping off Marvel.  Not to mention the fact that Civil War was in the works before BvS. 

As far as how it ends, they are fighting each other, but not really out of animosity at all--it's just that Cap's group is trying to go after the real baddie who is playing them behind the scenes, and Iron Man's group is trying to stop them because they are operating outside the law, which his faction is now an integral part of the enforcement arm of.  They basically battle to a stalemate a couple of times, and then focus on the real baddie once he is uncovered, defeat him, and then part ways as Cap's group are now outlaws and must go into hiding.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TAC on October 04, 2016, 05:45:13 PM
Ok, thank you. I've never read a comic book before, and wasn't into it as a kid. I enjoyed the old Superman and Batman TV shows but that's it. I think I saw the original Superman, but I've never seen any other Super Hero movie. Oh, maybe the first Batman too.

So in the original comic series, does Captain America and his team continue to fight crime while they are in hiding?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 04, 2016, 05:48:45 PM
I'm not sure they go into hiding in the comic series.  It was a much larger, more involved story in the comics that, again, spanned several books over several months.  I think the bones were basically the same, but the details of the story were very different.
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Post by: TAC on October 04, 2016, 05:51:57 PM
OK Cool. Thank you.


You guys can have your thread back! :)
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Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 06:10:25 PM
I'm not sure they go into hiding in the comic series.  It was a much larger, more involved story in the comics that, again, spanned several books over several months.  I think the bones were basically the same, but the details of the story were very different.

They do. Very early on. Tons of them.

Also it was the 2000s and ultimately bares little resemblance to the plot of the movie. Which is good, cause if the movie tried to do what the comics did, it would have collapsed under its own weight.
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Post by: Adami on October 04, 2016, 08:57:14 PM
Finally watched the first episode of Luke Cage.

Really liked it. Very different from the rest, which I dug. I actually appreciated the very slow build up, making it really about absorbing the environment and characters. Super excited about watching the rest.

Also nice little Justin Hammer name drop. Clever.
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Post by: Big Hath on October 04, 2016, 09:27:56 PM
Any similarity is really BvS ripping off Marvel.  Not to mention the fact that Civil War was in the works before BvS. 

Just a minor point here, but Batman v Superman is playing off a storyline from Miller's The Dark Knight Returns which was published in 1986.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on October 05, 2016, 01:44:38 AM
'Who is Antman'? REALLY? Dude, you got a LOT of catching up to do!  ;D
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Post by: Podaar on October 05, 2016, 07:22:19 AM
We finished up Luke Cage last night.

It is definitely the least enjoyed of the Netflix Marvel series, for us. So much potential with such a great cast, great performances, fantastic music, and the unique Harlem atmosphere. There were some low points in the dialog throughout the series but for the most part the first twelve episodes were engaging and fun. But, that last episode...oh, man, did it just peter-out to a disjointed whimper. It was like everyone was in a scrum, tired out, and just wandered off. The End.

As a side note: I don't think I've seen a series with so many beautiful people before. Lots of eye-candy of both genders.
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Post by: aurorablind on October 05, 2016, 09:40:05 AM
Technically not MCU, but still:
(https://media.comicbook.com/2016/10/logan-poster-203659.jpg)

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: Adami on October 05, 2016, 09:47:51 AM
Not sure I like the of making Laura Kinney so young. I hope that's not what they're doing.
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Post by: BlackInk on October 05, 2016, 10:45:53 AM
Technically not MCU, but still:
*poster*

 :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

Is this for the new Wolverine movie? Heard very little about that one.
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Post by: aurorablind on October 05, 2016, 11:50:25 AM
Yep!
Apparently they are basing it on the Old Man Logan comic.

Oh, btw:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/hunken_selv/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9529_zpsprjmelbh.jpg) (https://smg.photobucket.com/user/hunken_selv/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9529_zpsprjmelbh.jpg.html)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 05, 2016, 12:07:09 PM
Who let TAC in this thread?
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Post by: BlackInk on October 05, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
Genuinely cool poster, but I'm not too excited by the idea of another Wolverine movie. Origins is a legendarily bad movie and while "The Wolverine" had a semi-promising beginning it had completely lost me by the end. So let's just hope it's any better than those.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 05, 2016, 01:14:10 PM
Genuinely cool poster, but I'm not too excited by the idea of another Wolverine movie. Origins is a legendarily bad movie and while "The Wolverine" had a semi-promising beginning it had completely lost me by the end. So let's just hope it's any better than those.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't love The Wolverine.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 05, 2016, 01:37:50 PM
Genuinely cool poster, but I'm not too excited by the idea of another Wolverine movie. Origins is a legendarily bad movie and while "The Wolverine" had a semi-promising beginning it had completely lost me by the end. So let's just hope it's any better than those.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't love The Wolverine.
I certainly didn't love it, but I liked it better than any of the actual X-Men films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 05, 2016, 01:40:08 PM
Genuinely cool poster, but I'm not too excited by the idea of another Wolverine movie. Origins is a legendarily bad movie and while "The Wolverine" had a semi-promising beginning it had completely lost me by the end. So let's just hope it's any better than those.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't love The Wolverine.
I certainly didn't love it, but I liked it better than any of the actual X-Men films.

I liked it better than X-3 and First Class, but the other ones are much better. Even if they lack cute Asian ladies.

I'm hoping in a few years Marvel can do a proper reboot of the X-Verse (while keeping the current Deadpool) and do it properly, without screwing up 95% of the characters.

Won't happen, I know, but I can hope.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 05, 2016, 01:42:55 PM
There was a time when I wanted that, but I now think that the MCU simply doesn't need the X-Men.  TBH, I would rather they get the Fantastic Four.

But if they don't get them either, I'm OK with that too.

Of all non-MCU characters, the one I want to see on-screen the most is Namor, but that will probably never happen since DC is going all-in with Aquaman.
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Post by: Adami on October 05, 2016, 01:44:23 PM
There was a time when I wanted that, but I now think that the MCU simply doesn't need the X-Men.  TBH, I would rather they get the Fantastic Four.

But if they don't get them either, I'm OK with that too.

Of all non-MCU characters, the one I want to see on-screen the most is Namor, but that will probably never happen since DC is going all-in with Aquaman.

I fully agree with all of that. Namor would be amazing. I think if they made him like the comics version it would be fine, since it'd be really different from Aquaman.

For some reason I always pictured Jude Law playing Namor.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 05, 2016, 03:28:27 PM
I haven't pictured anyone in particular, but Jude Law is certainly a good enough actor to do it.

Not sure he has the physique for it, though.
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Post by: Adami on October 05, 2016, 03:39:25 PM
I haven't pictured anyone in particular, but Jude Law is certainly a good enough actor to do it.

Not sure he has the physique for it, though.

Namor isn't a huge bloke. He was always deceptively strong. I think Jude Laws version of buff would be just fine.

I've just always seen Namor as suave, charming but also super arrogant and pompous. So obviously British. And Jude just has his face.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 06, 2016, 01:16:15 AM
Finished Luke Cage last night. A bit of a dissapointing ending for me. But as a setup for the next series and the Defenders it will serve, I guess.
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Post by: soupytwist on October 06, 2016, 01:39:30 AM
I haven't pictured anyone in particular, but Jude Law is certainly a good enough actor to do it.

Not sure he has the physique for it, though.

Namor isn't a huge bloke. He was always deceptively strong. I think Jude Laws version of buff would be just fine.

I've just always seen Namor as suave, charming but also super arrogant and pompous. So obviously British. And Jude just has his face.

I'd go for Lee Byung- Hun.

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Post by: BlackInk on October 06, 2016, 03:27:36 AM
Yeah, looking Namor up yesterday I noticed that the popular opinion on the interwebz seems to be to cast an east asian actor.

I really like Jude Law too though, so that wouldn't upset me at all.
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Post by: King Postwhore on October 06, 2016, 06:41:41 AM
Who let TAC in this thread?

I'm here for you Hef.  :clap:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 06, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
Saw the 2nd episode of Luke Cage. God damn I loved it.

I know quite a few people aren't digging this show because of the pacing. I guess if you go in expecting tons of action and fight scenes you might be disappointed. But I think the character development and plot building is sensational.
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Post by: BlackInk on October 07, 2016, 01:12:05 AM
I wasn't expecting much action, because as I said earlier there's little to no tension in an action scene involving Luke Cage. I thought the character development in the first few episodes was rather weak to be honest. It was a bit too cheesy, and Luke himself is just a bit too good to be as interesting as he could be.

The highlight of character development in those early episodes for me was probably the guys talking sports in Pop's shop. That was good, and is one of the few character moments involving the main character I still remember.
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Post by: Adami on October 07, 2016, 08:00:54 AM
Fair enough. Not for everyone I guess.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 07, 2016, 09:02:16 AM
I don't have a problem with the pacing of the first several episodes, or really any individual episode.

I just thought that the first 7 episodes or so are a notch better than the last 6 or so (I forget the exact boundary marker).
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Post by: Metro on October 08, 2016, 07:31:07 PM
Speaking of the Defenders...

https://www.vulture.com/2016/10/defenders-sigourney-weaver.html?mid=twitter_vulture
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Post by: Adami on October 08, 2016, 07:44:39 PM
Wow. Did not expect that.
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Post by: Accelerando on October 08, 2016, 08:24:42 PM
She's gotta either be playing The Hand, or they are gonna introduce Typhoid Mary! Whoever she plays, having Weaver in your cast is always a plus! Great news!

EDIT


Here is the NYCC teaser trailer for IRON FIST!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sEJeWB3RA8
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Post by: Adami on October 08, 2016, 11:12:45 PM
Iron Fist looks pretty damn cool. I know a lot of people are complaining about the lack of action in Luke Cage, so hopefully this will make up for it.


Also I doubt they'd cast a white person as anyone important in The Hand (maybe though) and she's way too old to be Typhoid Mary.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 10, 2016, 12:03:36 PM
Cool news.  But I'm not sure how "unexpected" it is.  I mean, with the rate the MCU is expanding, isn't it only a matter of time before anyone with a SAG card gets a role in a Marvel vehicle?  :lol
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Post by: Adami on October 10, 2016, 12:05:47 PM
Cool news.  But I'm not sure how "unexpected" it is.  I mean, with the rate the MCU is expanding, isn't it only a matter of time before anyone with a SAG card gets a role in a Marvel vehicle?  :lol

In a movie, sure. It just feels like a big deal for a Netflix show.

I dunno, guess not.
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Post by: Zantera on October 16, 2016, 01:00:26 PM
I enjoyed Luke Cage but it was definitely a step below Daredevil and Jessica Jones. I had a few problems, some of them really bugged me, mainly the tone and the villains. If you haven't watched it yet, SPOILERS.

Alright so if we start with the tone, I feel like it was more over the place than Daredevil or Jessica Jones. Those had some comedy in them, but I feel with Luke Cage it surpassed comedy and went into "this is so crazy and silly I can't believe it". One minute you have a serious moment with Luke Cage and Pops basically having the Uncle Ben talk of great powers and great responsibility and doing your best to be a decent human being but then you have Cottonmouth blowing up a Chinese restaurant with a bazooka. I cried from laughing so hard at that scene. Not necessarily the restaurant blowing up, but you have a crimelord who doesn't send one of his thugs, but rather goes out himself, in his regular suit with a bazooka. It felt so out of place among some of the more serious dramatic scenes.

As far as villains go, they really dropped the ball. I think Cottonmouth was promising,but he left the picture before he got really interesting, and even him at his most interesting just felt like a less interesting Kingpin. Shades was really annoying and had that "I want to punch his face in" quality, but when things couldn't get worse, we get Diamondback. The whole backstory of him being the brother of Luke Cage was so uninteresting and I don't know whether it was the actor or the directing but any time he was on screen, I just wanted to fast forward. It reached a boiling point when he showed up in full Power Rangers costume to fight Luke Cage. Compared to Daredevil and Jessica Jones which had these really great villains like Kilgrave, Punisher and Kingpin, the ones in Luke Cage just fell really flat.

Also, how many times did Misty say "Luke Cage is innocent"?

Anyhow I liked the show but it did start to drag towards the end, and the final episodes became a chore to get through mostly because of Diamondback.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 19, 2016, 03:06:44 PM
Guardians of the galaxy vol 2 teaser trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX0aiMVvnvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX0aiMVvnvg)

Can't wait!  :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: Adami on October 19, 2016, 03:18:43 PM
Guardians of the galaxy vol 2 teaser trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX0aiMVvnvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX0aiMVvnvg)

Can't wait!  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Yup! Looks great!

Also we got a super brief teaser for Logan. Looks like it might take a much more artistic approach. Loved what little we got. Pumped for full trailer I believe tomorrow.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 19, 2016, 04:10:11 PM
:caffeine:
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Post by: King Postwhore on October 19, 2016, 04:48:40 PM
The hug scene was brilliant! :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 20, 2016, 01:24:24 AM
Guardians of the galaxy vol 2 teaser trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX0aiMVvnvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX0aiMVvnvg)

Can't wait!  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Yup! Looks great!

Also we got a super brief teaser for Logan. Looks like it might take a much more artistic approach. Loved what little we got. Pumped for full trailer I believe tomorrow.

Yes! New full Logan-trailer later today  :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 20, 2016, 07:31:37 AM
The new GOTG 2 teaser and poster were both awesome.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on October 20, 2016, 09:01:15 AM
In contrast to the GotG teaser, the new Logan trailer is out and it is emotional when you think this will be the final appearance of Jackman as Wolverine. Great music choice to the trailer as well, overall I'm hyped.
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Post by: Adami on October 20, 2016, 09:08:48 AM
Yea, the Logan trailer was amazing. Looks like it's going to be a very different comic book movie, which excites me.

Also, Laura looks way better than I thought she would, given her age.
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Post by: kaos2900 on October 20, 2016, 02:09:20 PM
Logan does look sweet. It's going to be interesting to see what they do after Jackman.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on October 20, 2016, 02:36:49 PM
Hot damn, that movie looks good. It looks like a FILM, and not a video game carbon copy
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 20, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
Yea, watched the Logan trailer a few more times. I am extremely into it, but also very nervous. I was really into the Suicide Squad trailer and hated that movie. So I'm hoping the movie lives up to the trailer.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 21, 2016, 10:04:00 AM
A review of Doctor Strange by James Gunn (director of the Guardians of the Galaxy films):

Quote
Had a blast last night at Dr. Strange, even though they sat us next to Rooker. Director Scott Derrickson did a great job exploring the occult corner of Marvel just as Guardians and I did the cosmic side. The movie is a visual behemoth - the use of the neon fluorescents in particular I found a bold and exciting choice that took us out of the color palettes of so many modern films. It's probably the first Marvel Studios movie outside of Guardians truly worth seeing in 3D IMAX - and please, please see it that way if you choose to go. Stephane Ceretti, who did the VFX for Guardians, did Strange as well and just KILLED it. The cast is nearly pitch perfect, the movie is a total trip, and, best of all, I got to see tons of old friends. A great night!

But of course, the best line is:

Quote
Had a blast last night at Dr. Strange, even though they sat us next to Rooker.

lol
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Post by: Adami on October 22, 2016, 01:52:21 PM
Not a part of the MCU, but apparently Tim Miller has left Deadpool 2.

And my excitement has dropped a decent amount. :(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on October 22, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
Not a part of the MCU, but apparently Tim Miller has left Deadpool 2.

And my excitement has dropped a decent amount. :(

Creative differences with Ryan Reynolds. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2016, 01:57:45 PM
Not a part of the MCU, but apparently Tim Miller has left Deadpool 2.

And my excitement has dropped a decent amount. :(

Creative differences with Ryan Reynolds. Hmmm.

Yea, it's a real shame. As much as I love Ryan as Wade, the directing for Deadpool was one of the highlights. I mean, if the script writers leave, I might be out too, but there's still some hope. But 25% of the equation leaving is a pretty big blow.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on October 22, 2016, 02:03:44 PM
Not a part of the MCU, but apparently Tim Miller has left Deadpool 2.

And my excitement has dropped a decent amount. :(

Creative differences with Ryan Reynolds. Hmmm.

Yea, it's a real shame. As much as I love Ryan as Wade, the directing for Deadpool was one of the highlights. I mean, if the script writers leave, I might be out too, but there's still some hope. But 25% of the equation leaving is a pretty big blow.

Maybe it's something as simple as the two wanting to tell different stories. If the script writers leave and only Ryan remained from the original team, I think we might still get a decent follow up, but I don't know how great of a writer he is. I'd imagine being a huge fan, and what he already has shown us as the character, and all the improv that it can't be too bad. I'm sure there are other great writers out there that are fans of the comic.
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Post by: Adami on October 22, 2016, 05:45:22 PM
Looks like it may have been centered around the casting of Cable with Reynolds getting final say.

Such a shame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 22, 2016, 05:52:00 PM
It is Reynolds baby.  Without him it would not have been made.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2016, 07:04:39 PM
It is Reynolds baby.  Without him it would not have been made.


True, but it wasn't just Reynolds that made that film what it was. It was also hugely Tim Miller and the two writers. Those three guys really need a lot of that credit. They were all there as long as Ryan and just as invested.
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Post by: King Postwhore on October 22, 2016, 07:20:08 PM
Oh I agree, but this always seems to be the norm in Hollywood.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2016, 07:32:27 PM
Oh I agree, but this always seems to be the norm in Hollywood.

I agree, but I don't want Deadpool 2 to be typical Hollywood.

It might still be great, but now I am actually a bit hesitant when I wasn't before. I hope it's amazing, because Deadpool is my favorite character. I know they have the right actor and the right writers. I hope they find a new director that loves and understands that world as well as Tim Miller did, and is as able to to create a huge movie out of a tiny budget the way he did.
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Post by: King Postwhore on October 22, 2016, 07:33:49 PM
And wasn't it Tim Miller's first movie he directed as well?!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 24, 2016, 07:58:55 AM
Since the blueprint is there with the first one, I would think that the loss of Miller is less of a blow than the loss of Reynolds or the writers (which is not to say it isn't a concern).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 25, 2016, 06:52:07 PM
So it's being reported that Miller wanted to make a more stylized movie with a budget closer to 150 million dollars, while Ryan and the writers wanted to keep it closer to the first movie with a low budget and focus on the comedy.

Man....I wish I had one of those TVs from Rick and Morty so I could see the one we're getting and another universe that got the other.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on October 26, 2016, 06:47:46 AM
Hate to say it but Luke Cage is a serious drop in quality over the other netflix shows - three more episodes left but it's a struggle as it's so God damn boring.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 26, 2016, 06:49:26 AM
So it's being reported that Miller wanted to make a more stylized movie with a budget closer to 150 million dollars, while Ryan and the writers wanted to keep it closer to the first movie with a low budget and focus on the comedy.

Man....I wish I had one of those TVs from Rick and Morty so I could see the one we're getting and another universe that got the other.

I hear you.

But if that report is correct, I'm kind of glad that Miller is gone.

Of course, they were pretty much allowed to make Deadpool however they wanted, AFAIK.  Since it was so successful, I wouldn't be surprised if Fox executives get their mitts into the sequel to muck it up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 26, 2016, 09:12:51 AM
So, Dr. Strange is getting pretty good reviews.
Everyone pretty much agrees:
Great performances, AMAZING visuals.
The story isn't groundbreaking, but works.
A bit underwhelming villain.

Most reviews are giving it a 7,5 or 8.
Im looking forward to it!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 26, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
Hate to say it but Luke Cage is a serious drop in quality over the other netflix shows - three more episodes left but it's a struggle as it's so God damn boring.

I loved the show but I can see why most people find it boring. I do think that the Netflix shows need to be trimmed down to 10 episodes though. I think that would help with a lot of them.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on October 28, 2016, 04:09:21 PM
So I saw Doctor Strange tonight and really liked it. There was one part that was a bit overly wonky, but other than that it was all cool. Also, the villain was really good in my opinion.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2016, 01:57:02 PM
I think as far as origin-movies in the Marvel universe goes, Dr. Strange might be the best one. The only serious contender for me is Iron Man, and while that movie is really good, I feel like the bad guy in Dr. Strange was more integrated into the plot whereas in Iron Man the bad guy just randomly appeared in the final act so that Iron Man had someone to fight. While not the most fleshed out bad guy, I feel like this time around, we got someone that was a bigger part of the story and the catalyst that started the events, and that worked for me.

Overall I really enjoyed the movie. Was it a bit Marvel-formulaic? Sure, they have their formula but I think the execution made it great. They did a good job of making a mindfuck/weird/LSD trippy movie without making it hard to understand. I generally don't have much faith in other people being able to understand things in movies, but out of the 400 people in the theater, I got the impression that most people understood what was happening and why it was happening.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 29, 2016, 02:01:40 PM
Yea, I'll be going in expecting it to be a really good origin story with a moderate villain, so I should be good to go. I think if I went in expecting Winter Soldier or Civil War, that'd be a problem.

Either way. Less than a week!
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Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2016, 02:48:03 PM
Those two are the peak of the MU.  I can't wait to see how theyou treat the Infinity Wars.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on October 29, 2016, 05:12:49 PM
I don't think Civil War is quite on par with Avengers or Winter Soldier but that's me. I felt a little bit of clashing of tones with going darker (like TWS) for most of the plot, yet the airport scene (while fun on itself) was going for that more fun and lighthearted spirit. For me that clashed a bit. I still very much enjoyed CW and thought it was one of the better movies in the MCU, but it had some clear flaws which a movie like TWS didn't have IMO.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 29, 2016, 05:25:33 PM
To cover all let's say top tier and I'll guess you'll agree.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on November 01, 2016, 01:20:01 PM
I guess this technically belongs here so posting again

Watched Captain America:Civil War again along with the directors and writers commentary, very fun and informative commentary and I think I was on the fence about Civil War being better than winter soldier. CW was a lot of fun rewatching, on first viewing there are so many pieces unfolding that I was unsure where all of it was going and it all made sense in the ending. This also puts me back into Marvel mode again so probably going to do a rewatch of all the movies before Dr.Strange.

I never ranked the Marvel made movies before but I guess here goes, I don't hate any of the movies I like them all so even if the Hulk is ranked last I still enjoy it

1.   Avengers
2.   Iron man
3.   Civil War
4.   Winter Soldier
5.   Guardians of the Galaxy
6.   Iron Man 3
7.   Thor Dark World
8.   Thor
9.   Captain America
10.   Iron Man 2
11.   Age of Ultron
12.   Ant Man
13.   The Incredible Hulk
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 02, 2016, 08:42:58 AM
Watched Captain America:Civil War again along with the directors and writers commentary, very fun and informative commentary and I think I was on the fence about Civil War being better than winter soldier. CW was a lot of fun rewatching, on first viewing there are so many pieces unfolding that I was unsure where all of it was going and it all made sense in the ending.

How funny.  I did exactly that this past weekend.  I fell asleep and did not make it through the entire commentary, but what I did catch was really good.  That and the documentaries REALLY gave me a greater appreciation for Civil War.  I liked it a lot when I first saw it, but there is a lot more to it that falls into place and gives greater meaning from repeat viewings and those extras.  This was definitely a case where the extras are more than just fun little...well, extras.  They actively enhance the viewing experience.
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Post by: faizoff on November 02, 2016, 09:16:30 AM
They definitely do enhance the experience. I'm an extras junkie so the more the better. Even though lately the Marvel blurays have been slightly on the shorter side of supplements, usually around an hour with a commentary track, they're still very enjoyable. The CW movie evolution was quite fascinating as they had so many things to pull from and yet make it a cohesive effort, there are so many characters in the movie and to make sure they wanted to do justice to each one. They also touch on the evolution of the movie story and how the 3rd act was a big misdirect with everyone thinking there would be this giant battle with the super soldiers. I'm very happy with the Russo's work and laughed so hard when they said that the staircase car was the same one from Arrested Development. Can't wait for more of their work.
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Post by: soupytwist on November 02, 2016, 09:42:51 AM
I guess this technically belongs here so posting again

Watched Captain America:Civil War again along with the directors and writers commentary, very fun and informative commentary and I think I was on the fence about Civil War being better than winter soldier. CW was a lot of fun rewatching, on first viewing there are so many pieces unfolding that I was unsure where all of it was going and it all made sense in the ending. This also puts me back into Marvel mode again so probably going to do a rewatch of all the movies before Dr.Strange.

I never ranked the Marvel made movies before but I guess here goes, I don't hate any of the movies I like them all so even if the Hulk is ranked last I still enjoy it

1.   Avengers
2.   Iron man
3.   Civil War
4.   Winter Soldier
5.   Guardians of the Galaxy
6.   Iron Man 3
7.   Thor Dark World
8.   Thor
9.   Captain America
10.   Iron Man 2
11.   Age of Ultron
12.   Ant Man
13.   The Incredible Hulk

Roughly similar to mine. 

1. Winter Soldier.
2. Civil War.
3. Guardians.
4. Avengers.
5. Iron Man
6. Ant Man.
7. Iron Man 3
8. Doc Strange.
9. Thor.
10. Age of Ultron.
11. Captain America
12. Incredible Hulk.
13. Thor 2
14. Iron Man 2.

Everything upto and including Cap America are good films.   Only really Iron Man 2 I say I didn't enjoy much.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 04, 2016, 08:27:41 AM
Copied from my post on FB:

Watched Doctor Strange tonight. VERY good. A worthy addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Well written and directed, and a truly incredible cast of actors. Also, some of the most insane, trippiest visual effects I have ever seen. I have no idea how they envisioned it in the first place, much less filmed it. If this movie doesn't get nominated for an Academy Award for visual effects, it will be a crime.

I must say that at first, it was a little odd hearing Benedict Cumberbatch speaking in an American accent. But he was great. Personally, I look forward to future Marvel films, where he can work opposite the established roster, like Robert Downey Jr. or Scarlet Johannson.

For the uber geeks like me : I was a tinge disappointed that Doctor Strange worked his spells without the incantations he used in the comics. However, that's a small concession to make for a film this good.

I would tend to agree with the opinion of Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn: if you have the opportunity, I recommend seeing it in IMAX 3D. But see it, by all means.

If you don't have access to IMAX, definitely see it in 3D, at least.

Oh, and the score is pretty good, unlike most Marvel films (what has big their one major flaw, IMHO).
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Post by: BlackInk on November 04, 2016, 10:15:31 AM
Pretty much agree with everything above.

I have no idea how they envisioned it in the first place, much less filmed it.

I was thinking this as well. Especially in the bend and chase through mirror dimension New York scene. There was so much going on that I am so impressed that they actually managed to pull it off without it being just a weird mess. It must have taken a long time just to prep and plan for those scenes.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 04, 2016, 10:25:13 AM
Yep.  I caught myself watching with my mouth wide open on multiple occasions.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 04, 2016, 03:16:28 PM
Hef, if you can say, do we get any insight at all into what was going on with him during the time of Cap: Winter Soldier in terms of why he was referred to in that film?  Since the trailers seem to indicate that he is getting his powers in this movie (and therefore did not have them at the time of Winter Soldier), I am curious as to why he was mentioned then (other than the obvious reason of hyping up the fanbase).
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 05, 2016, 03:07:49 PM
I may go see Doctor Strange next week.

Speaking of which - it made it's entire production budget back in one day.

Thinking it's gonna be huge.
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 05, 2016, 03:09:19 PM

I must say that at first, it was a little odd hearing Benedict Cumberbatch speaking in an American accent.

From the clip I heard - he sounds exactly like Hugh Laurie in House MD :P
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Post by: Adami on November 05, 2016, 08:27:18 PM
Dr. Strange was really good!

Not Avengers or Civil War or Winter Soldier level good, but much better than any of the Thor movies, or Cap 1, Iron Man's 2, 3 and Hulk.

So.......I basically tie it with Ant Man for 2nd best origin story.

The effects were insane, all the actors were really invested and it had some amazing character moments. Villain wasn't brilliant, but was better than most other ones in the MCU.

Also, the whole time the main theme was playing, I kept thinking it sounded familiar. Eventually I just said maybe it's a modification of The Avengers theme or something, whatever. Then it hit me, it's the god damn Star Trek theme! The JJ verse one. Almost note for bloody note. Looked it up, same composer.

Sloppy man, sloppy.


Also spoilers in small text:

Nico Minoru's mom with the staff of one! Very cool tiny moment.

Also....LIVING TRIBUNAL! Holy crap!
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Post by: Genowyn on November 06, 2016, 12:06:00 AM

Also, the whole time the main theme was playing, I kept thinking it sounded familiar. Eventually I just said maybe it's a modification of The Avengers theme or something, whatever. Then it hit me, it's the god damn Star Trek theme! The JJ verse one. Almost note for bloody note. Looked it up, same composer.

Sloppy man, sloppy.


Very relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs


Also I really enjoyed Doctor Strange.
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Post by: Adami on November 06, 2016, 12:08:47 AM
Very true, as good as it is, Marvel's music is far from memorable. Sad really.

Edit: That is a great video. Really brought out some good points that Marvel should consider moving forward. Memorable music and music that enhances the scenes would add so much.
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Post by: LudwigVan on November 06, 2016, 01:03:41 AM
Saw Dr. Strange last night and it was excellent.

Just want to say that Marvel is the gift that keeps on giving. I grew up on Marvel all through the 70s and 80s and even now buy lots of graphic novels. But the biggest thrill for me is being able to relive these stories through the eyes of my children (22 yo girl and 23 yo boy) who have been totally drawn into the Marvel Universe, to the point where they're following the TV shows (Daredevil, SHIELD, etc) even closer than I am.

And with every new Marvel movie release, we make it into a little family outing where I take them out for dinner to be followed by the movie. And then they pepper me with questions about back story and characters and I get to enrich their experience from my memories of the old comics. 

My mom used to scoff at me for blowing allowance money on my comic book collection, but those musty old comics have paid me back in spades.
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Post by: Kotowboy on November 06, 2016, 10:27:52 AM
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel716.htm

Doctor Strange.

$325m opening weekend.  :o :o
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2016, 02:13:17 PM
Hef, if you can say, do we get any insight at all into what was going on with him during the time of Cap: Winter Soldier in terms of why he was referred to in that film?  Since the trailers seem to indicate that he is getting his powers in this movie (and therefore did not have them at the time of Winter Soldier), I am curious as to why he was mentioned then (other than the obvious reason of hyping up the fanbase).
It doesn't specifically address that, but the time line is a little wonky. I wouldn't be surprised if the first half of the film takes place before Winter Soldier.
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Post by: Adami on November 06, 2016, 02:19:14 PM
Hef, if you can say, do we get any insight at all into what was going on with him during the time of Cap: Winter Soldier in terms of why he was referred to in that film?  Since the trailers seem to indicate that he is getting his powers in this movie (and therefore did not have them at the time of Winter Soldier), I am curious as to why he was mentioned then (other than the obvious reason of hyping up the fanbase).
It doesn't specifically address that, but the time line is a little wonky. I wouldn't be surprised if the first half of the film takes place before Winter Soldier.

It makes a little bit of a reference to Civil War in the beginning, which is very easy to miss, but beyond that.....no. The time is a bit wonky.

Spoilers.

I wish this movie started around the time Iron Man 2 or whatever did, and if Dr. Strange spent years and years training, instead of doing it all in like a month. That way he can see what is going on in the rest of the world and be told that he can't interfere. They can reference Age of Ultron or even the New York attack  and have Strange be annoyed that he can't go help them. But alas, the timeline choice wasn't the best.

Also, no one else is pumped that they mentioned The Living Tribunal? The fact that this door is opened is insane!
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Post by: BlackInk on November 06, 2016, 11:33:12 PM
I heard that the beginning of the movie does take place around the time of Iron Man 2. But I might be mistaken.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2016, 08:57:19 AM
It makes a little bit of a reference to Civil War in the beginning, which is very easy to miss, but beyond that.....no. The time is a bit wonky.
I must have missed that reference.

Also, no one else is pumped that they mentioned The Living Tribunal? The fact that this door is opened is insane!
Yeah, I DID catch that one, and I rejoiced mightily (but quietly to myself).
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Post by: Adami on November 08, 2016, 02:28:21 AM
It makes a little bit of a reference to Civil War in the beginning, which is very easy to miss, but beyond that.....no. The time is a bit wonky.
I must have missed that reference.


So...

During the beginning when he's in the car and he gets the phone call offering him cases that he turns down, one of them was a 35 year old colonel that injured his spine in experimental armor. I, and many others, assumed that was War Machine after Civil War, but the director of the movie said it wasn't him, though they may have meant it to be him in earlier drafts of the script. So I was wrong, not a reference.

But as far as when this movie starts, he has an award dated 2016 in the beginning, so it doesn't take place before that. 
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Post by: BlackInk on November 08, 2016, 03:39:13 AM
I heard that that specific reference is meant to be the guy who twists his spine in the Hammer Industries video that Stark pulls up at the beginning of Iron Man 2.
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Post by: aurorablind on November 08, 2016, 04:45:00 AM
Yeah, and the person people think they are referencing is defenitely not the age that they say in the movie...

Dr. Strange was really good. I put it right below Deadpool and Civil War as the best superhero movie of the year.
As far as MCU origin stories goes, I'd rank them like this :

Iron Man
Guardians of the galaxy
Dr. Strange
Ant Man
Captain America: The first avenger
Thor
Incredible Hulk
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 08, 2016, 07:33:11 AM
Yeah, the time all wonky in this one.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 08, 2016, 08:24:36 AM
BTW, in case you didn't know (spoilers):




Benedict Cumberbatch also played Dormammu, using motion capture.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 09, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
Just posting this here because I stumbled upon it and want to read it, but since it contains spoilers, I don't want to read it until after I see Dr. Strange (planned for this Friday).

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/what-doctor-strange-means-to-the-future-of-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-spoilers-164656242.html
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Post by: Adami on November 09, 2016, 04:28:20 PM
I heard that that specific reference is meant to be the guy who twists his spine in the Hammer Industries video that Stark pulls up at the beginning of Iron Man 2.


I mean, the movie starts off in 2016. So that wouldn't make a ton of sense.
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Post by: BlackInk on November 10, 2016, 02:24:24 AM
And the director has also said that the movie only spans about a year. So yeah, that's not it.
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Post by: Metro on November 14, 2016, 05:25:22 PM
https://marvel.com/news/tv/26993/marvels_the_inhumans_coming_to_imax_abc_in_2017?linkId=31155907

The Inhumans TV series coming to ABC and IMAX
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 15, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Interesting.  We'll see what happens.

This will apparently NOT be a spinoff for the wretched excuse for Inhumans we've seen on Agents of SHIELD, but rather dealing with the Royal Family, which is good.
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Post by: King Postwhore on November 15, 2016, 11:55:00 AM
I wonder if they'll have Lockjaw?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 15, 2016, 12:25:39 PM
I wonder if they'll have Lockjaw?
Hope so!
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Post by: aurorablind on November 16, 2016, 02:38:55 AM
Is The Inhumans tv-show ment to replace the movie that was pushed back?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 16, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
Is The Inhumans tv-show ment to replace the movie that was pushed back?
I would guess so.  But the effects used on the show are going to be cinema level, not TV level.
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Post by: BlackInk on November 16, 2016, 08:49:48 AM
They are? I haven't heard anything about that, but if it's true, then really cool.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 16, 2016, 10:28:33 AM
They are? I haven't heard anything about that, but if it's true, then really cool.
I read it in one of the stories, don't remember which.  But that's apparently one reason that IMAX is partnering on the show.
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Post by: Adami on November 16, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
I think it'll also only be 10 episodes. Which is good. Marvel has a small issue with filler.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 16, 2016, 10:55:34 AM
I can't say I have liked everything that Marvel has done in every medium, but I do have to say that, overall, they have done a remarkable job in taking advantage of various different types of media (cinema, network television, subscription tv) to create a complex, multi-layered universe with stories that cater to a pretty wide variety of audiences.  And given how many different hands they have in the pot creating all these different stories, I also think it is remarkable how unified and consistent the MCU is. 

I say that to get to the fact that I like how they have treated the Inhumans thus far, mostly on AOS.  Granted, it may help that I never read any of the comics dealing with them, so I am blissfully ignorant of any inconsistencies between the MCU and the comics.  But even if there are some, I think the overall vision of the MCU has been well served by the Inhumans arc from AOS.  I am looking forward to seeing how this will fit in.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 16, 2016, 12:47:11 PM
Granted, it may help that I never read any of the comics dealing with them, so I am blissfully ignorant of any inconsistencies between the MCU and the comics. 
I think this may be the key.

But hey, it helped you to get more enjoyment out of it than me.  So good on you.
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Post by: aurorablind on December 04, 2016, 02:03:28 AM
New trailer for Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2  ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AYQDq9efdk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AYQDq9efdk)
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Post by: Adami on December 04, 2016, 11:58:21 AM
New trailer for Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2  ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AYQDq9efdk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AYQDq9efdk)

Looks great!

I've come to accept that this version of Drax is pretty unrelated (personality wise) to his comic book version. It looks like the movie version is quite entertaining, and if you're going to re-write a character's personality, Drax isn't a bad choice.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 05, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
My family and I can't wait for that!
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Post by: Adami on December 08, 2016, 01:05:41 PM
First Spider-Man trailer tonight!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 08, 2016, 01:19:34 PM
First Spider-Man trailer tonight!
:metal

I am actually excited the web wings are finally being included.
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Post by: Adami on December 08, 2016, 02:05:36 PM
First Spider-Man trailer tonight!
:metal

I am actually excited the web wings are finally being included.

Yea, didn't expect them! I am hoping by Infinity War we get the Iron Spider or else I see him getting stabbed super quick.
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Post by: Zook on December 08, 2016, 09:59:27 PM
Spider-man trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrzXIaTt99U

:metal
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Post by: Adami on December 08, 2016, 10:02:27 PM
Spider-man trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrzXIaTt99U

:metal

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That looked great.

Also is his friend supposed to be Ganke? He's Miles Morales' best friend in the comics.
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Post by: aurorablind on December 08, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
Oh yes! This looks awesome  :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2016, 06:56:53 AM
You know, I wasn't really that excited about this in concept.  But that trailer was REALLY good.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 09, 2016, 10:45:55 AM
That trailer was fantastic.

There is also an international trailer that is slightly different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUASeS6qc0
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Post by: Adami on January 04, 2017, 08:36:40 PM
So, since this thread seems a bit dead at the moment, here's a hopeful convo starter for you guys.

For the fans of the comics, which character(s) not so far in any films (or maybe a minor role) would you like to see in the movies or Netflix series? What kind of tone would you want and who would you want working on it?

For me, the first character that comes to mind is Moon Knight. He is one of my favorite characters, and while I know most people just brush him off as a Batman rip off, if you really read his stuff (preferably something like Vol. 3) you'll know he is way way more than that.

If he ever gets a movie, I'd love to see it written/directed by Darren Aranofsky. Of course it wouldn't fit, whatsoever, the current vibe of any Marvel movie. It would have to be very dark, very brutal, very psychological and without any huge action set pieces.

Which is why it'd probably be better for Netflix. I actually have a really cool pitch for a Moon Knight series, but it would sadly need cameos from people like RDJ and Chris Evans.

What about you guys?
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Post by: soupytwist on January 05, 2017, 04:54:37 AM
She-Hulk.   The modern fun loving version, she'd make a good addition to the Avengers.   Or the weird 4th wall breaking version from the 90's to team up with Deadpool.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 05, 2017, 07:27:46 AM
I would love to see Moon Knight somewhere.  GOTG director James Gunn revealed yesterday that he loves the character and had a great idea for how he could be used in the MCU and had pitched it to Marvel, but he doesn't have the time to actually do it himself.

I think She-Hulk would be interesting, but probably tough to pull off the right tone.  Also, in this age of inclusion and diversity, they would probably want a more original female character than a clearly derivative (yes, I know there is going to be a female Captain Marvel, but the MCU is apparently going to ignore the existence of the male one, so that doesn't count).
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Post by: soupytwist on January 05, 2017, 09:15:21 AM
Also, in this age of inclusion and diversity, they would probably want a more original female character than a clearly derivative

Squirrel Girl!
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Post by: Kotowboy on January 05, 2017, 09:17:30 AM
Watching the MCU films in order doesn't bother me.

I see one so rarely that if I ever get around to seeing Civil War - i'll have no memory of what happened in Winter Soldier.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 05, 2017, 09:50:58 AM
Also, in this age of inclusion and diversity, they would probably want a more original female character than a clearly derivative

Squirrel Girl!
Maybe not.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 05, 2017, 10:40:57 AM
I honestly don't much care.  I haven't been into or cared about comics in a LONG time.  That isn't meant to insult those who may still follow them.  I just have moved on in my tastes and in where I spend my time is all.  So I don't have a deep connection to any of them currently.  For characters that I used to care about, the MCU is either already doing them or doesn't have rights to them.  And they have done a really good job with characters that I never really cared about, so I have faith that they will likely do a good enough job with whatever characters they bring to the table.  No strong preferences here.
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Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on January 05, 2017, 11:49:45 AM
So basically, Eye-Scream should get his own movie.

(https://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/iscrm.7.gif)
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 05, 2017, 02:29:02 PM
The one character that I would like to see that there are no publicly announced plans for is Namor, but the film rights are at least partially held by Universal, so that is pretty much never going to happen, especially since DC is using Aquaman.
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Post by: Adami on January 21, 2017, 12:15:30 AM
So based on his new haircut, people are thinking Peter Dinklage will be playing Pip the troll in the next two Avengers movies.

Also, soooo excited for Logan. That second trailer was awesome. X-23 is gonna slay, just hope she gets some lines. Not a word in either trailer.
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Post by: King Postwhore on January 21, 2017, 07:34:52 AM
Yeah, that second trailer is amazing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 23, 2017, 08:15:29 AM
So based on his new haircut, people are thinking Peter Dinklage will be playing Pip the troll in the next two Avengers movies.
I would hope so.  Hopefully, that would be confirmation for Adam Warlock, right?
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Post by: ZirconBlue on February 12, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
I can't remember if we're including the X-Men universe in this thread, but did anyone else catch the premiere of Legion?  It's very. . . cryptic, but I thought it was very compelling throughout, and I am excited for more.
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Post by: Adami on February 12, 2017, 11:04:01 AM
I can't remember if we're including the X-Men universe in this thread, but did anyone else catch the premiere of Legion?  It's very. . . cryptic, but I thought it was very compelling throughout, and I am excited for more.

Heard good things, but I don't have a legal way of watching it, as far as I know.

Since I don't have FX, and it doesn't look like HULU or anything will stream it. :(
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Post by: T-ski on February 12, 2017, 11:15:01 AM
some Infinity Wars stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAOzrChqmd0
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 13, 2017, 07:55:21 AM
some Infinity Wars stuff...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAOzrChqmd0
Yep, looks awesome.

I caught the first episode of Legion.  Holy shit, this looks a LOT better than any of the X-Men films.

Of course, I am not a big fan of them, so that wouldn't take much.  But this looks really good.
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Post by: Adami on February 20, 2017, 07:14:35 PM
So reviews of Logan have come in and I haven't seen anyone give it less than an A- thus far. Most people are saying that it's an incredible movie, the best movie with Wolverine in it and basically a genre/character study film that just so happens to have super heros.

Also being reported that it has an after credits scene, which is odd since there's no sequels to it or anything it could lead into.

I'm personally hoping for it to just be Howard the Duck doing stand up.
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Post by: kaos2900 on February 21, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Do anyone know when Dr. Strange is coming out on blu-ray?
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Post by: Adami on February 21, 2017, 12:15:52 PM
Do anyone know when Dr. Strange is coming out on blu-ray?

28th of Feb.
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Post by: Adami on February 21, 2017, 12:36:18 PM
Holy crap, Ramsey Bolton has been cast as Maximus in The Inhumans.

Rarely have I seen such perfect casting.
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Post by: Zantera on February 22, 2017, 05:12:53 AM
I thought the Inhumans was on ice?
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Post by: BlackInk on February 22, 2017, 06:06:24 AM
The movie is on ice, but there's an Inhumans TV show coming later this year.
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Post by: ariich on February 22, 2017, 06:29:24 AM
The movie is on ice, but there's an Inhumans TV show coming later this year.
I think the former has morphed into the latter.
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Post by: kaos2900 on February 22, 2017, 07:22:04 AM
Do anyone know when Dr. Strange is coming out on blu-ray?

28th of Feb.

So that's next week and it's still not available to pre-order on amazon. Interesting.
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Post by: Podaar on February 22, 2017, 07:39:03 AM
Do anyone know when Dr. Strange is coming out on blu-ray?

28th of Feb.

So that's next week and it's still not available to pre-order on amazon. Interesting.

I assume Amazon is waiting for their supply of blotter-paper to be ready for packaging with it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 22, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
Holy crap, Ramsey Bolton has been cast as Maximus in The Inhumans.

Rarely have I seen such perfect casting.
I thought the same thing.

Looks like Marvel is taking this show seriously (which I suspected already).
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Post by: The Trooper on February 22, 2017, 07:21:08 PM
I have a friend at Marvel/disney, She is in their production division. Disney didn't greenlight the Inhumans movie given the Infinity Wars movies timing they felt the timing of the movies wouldn't be good. After Infinities the MCU universe is going to change significantly. Movie wise. Inhumans is a logical next step. For a movie franchise.  Then again................ box office numbers dictate
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Post by: Adami on February 22, 2017, 07:35:09 PM
I have a friend at Marvel/disney, She is in their production division. Disney didn't greenlight the Inhumans movie given the Infinity Wars movies timing they felt the timing of the movies wouldn't be good. After Infinities the MCU universe is going to change significantly. Movie wise. Inhumans is a logical next step. For a movie franchise.  Then again................ box office numbers dictate

From what I understand, it's mostly due to Agents of Shield introducing the Inhumans way before the movie people hoped to, therefore derailing the movie. So they made it a show to put it out there but not let it interfere with the MCU as it is.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 22, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
very true. Disney thought agents was failing. remember. there is the disney movie division and the tv division.besides other facets.there has been several screenplays/ideas for an inhumans movie. Disney usually gets things right.  sometimes the tail wags the dog
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Post by: Adami on February 22, 2017, 07:46:27 PM
very true. Disney thought agents was failing. remember. there is the disney movie division and the tv division.besides other facets.there has been several screenplays/ideas for an inhumans movie. Disney usually gets things right.  sometimes the tail wags the dog

I mean, it's still Marvel. Disney owns it and has their say, but Marvel is running their company and their movie heads and their TV heads don't get along with each other very well, hence the complete lack of crossover between anything on TV and the movies, despite being in the same universe.
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Post by: The Trooper on February 22, 2017, 07:58:23 PM
oh we are in total agreement. again agree with you  100%.  Disney doesn't run marvel. they own marvel. but the stakeholders at marvel don't get along to well with the Disney execs. it is a slippery slope. like I said earlier, box office take will tell. sometimes you can get too big for your own good. and Disney/marvel. star wars I think Disney took on too much. just my opinion
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Post by: Samsara on February 23, 2017, 01:55:13 PM
Daredevil fans (the character, and associated shows and film) here? I picked up the Director's Cut film starring Affleck late last week (I got it on blu-ray for less than $3 and watched it last night. I have to say, now being more familiar with the character because of the Netflix series and the host of graphic novels I purchased last year, I really felt the movie was pretty good.

Sure, there were some holes, but overall, I think the film got a pretty bad rap. It's not AS bad as I remember the theatrical version being (which I rented when it came out years ago). Any fans of the character who have seen the film in the last few years have any thoughts on it?

I'm a pretty big fan of what they are doing with the Netflix series. I've always been a Punisher fan, so I was pleased with how the last season ended. Curious to see where it goes next...
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 23, 2017, 03:19:58 PM
I have always heard that the director's cut was better than the theatrical release.  But at this point, I don't have the time or inclination to track it down or spend the time watching.

I REALLY disliked the theatrical cut.  The Netflix show is really, really good.
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Post by: TioJorge on February 24, 2017, 12:05:46 AM
Nothing can save that movie from Colin Farrel. Poor thing.

I didn't totally abhor the movie other than that but that one villain singlehandedly ruined the whole film. Even then it was pretty mediocre though, at its best.

The Netflix series however is one of the greatest superhero revivals of all time. I think it's right next to Iron Man in terms of impact (mainly just for DD but even for superhero TV shows in general). Obviously not nearly as much of a forthcoming given that Iron Man literally revived the entire superhero media from death but I don't think superhero TV shows would've kept on blowing up like they have been if it weren't for Netflix and their deal with Marvel along with Daredevil's initial huge boom.

AoS certainly wasn't making any splashes. I still can't get into it despite a lot of praise for it.
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Post by: soupytwist on February 27, 2017, 09:39:59 AM
Speaking of the DD film.  I geniunely struggle to think of a superhero movie worse than Electra, that film was so very boring (at least Catwoman/Superman 4 were amusing bad).  Electra had no redeeming features at all (shallow : I don't even find Garner hot).
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 27, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Catwoman and Superman IV were not in any way amusing.
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Post by: Adami on February 27, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
I'm a Marvel fan, a huge one (though still try to be pretty unbias in how I rate their stuff) and, as far as I know, Elektra is the only post-Blade Marvel movie I've never seen.





Nope, scratch that, never seen The Amazing Spider Man 2 either.

It has to look pretty awful for me not to even try to watch it. I even watched Fant4stick.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 27, 2017, 02:13:05 PM
Elektra might actually be the worst "superhero" movie I have seen in its entirety. I'll never bother to watch Superman IV or Batman & Robin, and I only watched like 20 minutes of Catwoman before I couldn't take it anymore and turned it off. So that one might be worse, but I didn't finish it.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 27, 2017, 02:43:57 PM
I haven't seen The Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2.

I haven't seen the latest Fantastic Four either.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 27, 2017, 03:45:36 PM
I haven't seen The Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2.

I have.  They had their moments.  For each of them, I kinda felt like, "Yeah, okay, that was a fun way to kill 90 minutes, but I'm not going to waste another 90 doing that again."
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Post by: BlackInk on February 27, 2017, 11:07:51 PM
Yeah that's pretty much how I feel about them too.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on February 28, 2017, 12:02:24 AM
In other news, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has been killing it this season and that winter-finale was out of this world good.
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Post by: soupytwist on February 28, 2017, 02:50:35 AM
Catwoman and Superman IV were not in any way amusing.

Ah come up Halle Berry acting as an actual cat is amusing, and completely shows they misunderstood the character.  Then there is Superman 4 - just watch the battle on the moon!!   Also Milton Keynes subbing as Metropolis  :D
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 28, 2017, 07:57:24 AM
Catwoman and Superman IV were not in any way amusing.

Ah come up Halle Berry acting as an actual cat is amusing, and completely shows they misunderstood the character.  Then there is Superman 4 - just watch the battle on the moon!!   Also Milton Keynes subbing as Metropolis  :D
All of that is cringe-worthily awful.
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Post by: Samsara on February 28, 2017, 08:00:25 AM
Catwoman and Superman IV were not in any way amusing.

Ah come up Halle Berry acting as an actual cat is amusing, and completely shows they misunderstood the character.  Then there is Superman 4 - just watch the battle on the moon!!   Also Milton Keynes subbing as Metropolis  :D
All of that is cringe-worthily awful.

1000x yes.  :hefdaddy
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 28, 2017, 01:52:42 PM
Anson Mount cast as Black Bolt in The Inhumans (https://deadline.com/2017/02/marvels-inhumans-anson-mount-black-bolt-casting-abc-1202027526/)

Intriguing choice.  Definitely a tough role for most actors, since there is no dialogue for him.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 28, 2017, 02:01:48 PM
:who:
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 28, 2017, 03:22:43 PM
Anson Mount
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 28, 2017, 04:15:44 PM
He was great in Hell On Wheels.
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Post by: Adami on February 28, 2017, 04:16:38 PM
:who:

Black Bolt.
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Post by: Accelerando on February 28, 2017, 05:08:42 PM
Anson Mount was my pick for Batman for the DCEU before they casted Affleck. Great choice, excellent actor
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Post by: Adami on February 28, 2017, 10:13:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTZ7-LlEVok

Newest Guardians trailer.

Wow, this looks like so much fun. Also, it still shows a ton but never gives away the plot. However, due to Marvel's tendency to release most of the movie through trailers and TV spots, this will be the last thing I watch.
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Post by: soupytwist on March 01, 2017, 03:36:57 AM
Catwoman and Superman IV were not in any way amusing.

Ah come up Halle Berry acting as an actual cat is amusing, and completely shows they misunderstood the character.  Then there is Superman 4 - just watch the battle on the moon!!   Also Milton Keynes subbing as Metropolis  :D
All of that is cringe-worthily awful.

But, but, but it's still better than sitting though Electra!
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Post by: aurorablind on March 01, 2017, 05:56:13 AM
Not directly connected to the MCU, but I'm seeing LOGAN tonight!!  :metal :metal
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Post by: bosk1 on March 01, 2017, 01:05:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTZ7-LlEVok

Newest Guardians trailer.

Wow, this looks like so much fun. Also, it still shows a ton but never gives away the plot. However, due to Marvel's tendency to release most of the movie through trailers and TV spots, this will be the last thing I watch.

Any clues from the brief Kurt Russell appearance what character he is?
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Post by: Adami on March 01, 2017, 01:08:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTZ7-LlEVok

Newest Guardians trailer.

Wow, this looks like so much fun. Also, it still shows a ton but never gives away the plot. However, due to Marvel's tendency to release most of the movie through trailers and TV spots, this will be the last thing I watch.

Any clues from the brief Kurt Russell appearance what character he is?

I'll put it in spoilers, just in case someone doesn't know and doesn't want to know.

He is playing Ego, the living planet, who.......I guess also has a human body he can take whenever he wants. He's also Star Lord's father.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 01, 2017, 01:11:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTZ7-LlEVok

Newest Guardians trailer.

Wow, this looks like so much fun. Also, it still shows a ton but never gives away the plot. However, due to Marvel's tendency to release most of the movie through trailers and TV spots, this will be the last thing I watch.

Any clues from the brief Kurt Russell appearance what character he is?
It's been well publicized what character he is playing.  And I actually thought it was talked about in this thread.  It's not really a spoiler, unless you just don't want to know anything about the film.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 01, 2017, 01:32:48 PM
That seems...like such an odd choice.  But what the heck.  Guardians of the Galaxy seemed like an odd choice to make a movie out of in the first place, and that worked beautifully, so...  :dunno:
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Post by: Metro on March 02, 2017, 12:18:14 PM
A couple more casting announcements for Inhumans

Ken Leung as Karnak
https://t.co/Wz1cxYNoSi

and Serinda Swan as Medusa
https://news.marvel.com/tv/60593/serinda-swan-cast-marvels-inhumans-series-abc/
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Post by: bosk1 on March 02, 2017, 12:24:17 PM
Maybe it's just me, but for the most part, casting decisions don't really excite me, and I mostly find them meaningless.  If a part is well-written and well-directed, a no name is often just as likely to deliver a great performance as a big name, and vice-versa.  Samuel L. Jackson is my personal poster child for this.  When his lines are well-written and he is well directed, he is one of my favorite actors, as in 187.  When his lines are poorly written and/or he is poorly directed, he is one of my least favorite, as in the Star Wars prequels.
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Post by: Adami on March 02, 2017, 12:48:55 PM
A couple more casting announcements for Inhumans

Ken Leung as Karnak
https://t.co/Wz1cxYNoSi


Well that's an interesting choice.
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2017, 09:58:21 PM
Behold Blackagar Boltagon!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6M_MbsXMAE2VVB.jpg)













..................yup
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Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2017, 07:56:18 AM
Finally saw Doctor Strange over the weekend.  It was good.  I thought some of the subtle humor was some of the best in the Marvel movies.  But in typical Marvel fashion, there were plenty of other moments where they tried too hard and fell flat.  Visual effects were awesome and exceeded already-high expectations.  But then during the mirror dimension fight toward the end, it started to kinda feel like the tickle section in LNF where the awesome factor is simultaneously ramping up at almost exponential rates while also just making you feel like you need it to stop immediately.  Story was pretty good.  Dormammu fell a little flat for me.  There were hints throughout that he was the big threat in the background, but I somehow just didn't feel that he was developed enough, or even that the idea of him was developed enough, to make him feel truly menacing.  I dunno, maybe it was just me rather than a fault of how the plot devoped.  But he just didn't hit me all that hard as something to be dreaded.

Overall, I would put it somewhere in the bottom half of MCU films.  But that said, it was still very good.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 06, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
Reported combined budget for Infinity War and (still untitled) Avengers 4: close to $1 Billion.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 10:38:57 AM
Woop !! Doctor Strange is on Playstation video to rent for £3.50


I might do that later.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 10:40:06 AM
Reported combined budget for Infinity War and (still untitled) Avengers 4: close to $1 Billion.

:lol Well Infinity War is 2 films and I wouldn't be shocked if Avengers 4 was split into 2 films as well.

Is Infinity War Avengers 3 ?
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 06, 2017, 10:44:55 AM
Infinity War is one film.

Avengers 4 is one film.

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Post by: Adami on March 06, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
Infinity War is one film.

Avengers 4 is one film.

Correct.



I also assume that 900,000,000 of that goes to RDJ.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 10:51:22 AM
Infinity War was originally two films.

I don't keep up with this stuff so.....
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
...But anyway - a combined budget of $1bn for two movies is INSANE.


Unless $1bn includes the promo budget they're putting aside for it as well.

$500m a film... They need to gross about $1.5bn a piece.
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Post by: Adami on March 06, 2017, 10:57:57 AM
Infinity War was originally two films.

I don't keep up with this stuff so.....

Yea. It's all good. They decided to make it just Infinity War and change what was part 2 to untitled Avengers 4. But they're being filmed back to back so the stories will likely be linked. Most likely they just didn't like the part 1 and 2 titles because of how so many other franchises ruined the concept.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 06, 2017, 11:24:04 AM
Infinity War was originally two films.

I don't keep up with this stuff so.....

Yea. It's all good. They decided to make it just Infinity War and change what was part 2 to untitled Avengers 4. But they're being filmed back to back so the stories will likely be linked. Most likely they just didn't like the part 1 and 2 titles because of how so many other franchises ruined the concept.
This.

And no, the budget estimates are just production, not promo added in.

Needless to say, Marvel is expecting big things from these films.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 11:24:12 AM
To me having a trilogy and having the 3rd film be called Part 1 just reeks of getting more money out of one film.


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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 11:25:06 AM
Infinity War was originally two films.

I don't keep up with this stuff so.....

Yea. It's all good. They decided to make it just Infinity War and change what was part 2 to untitled Avengers 4. But they're being filmed back to back so the stories will likely be linked. Most likely they just didn't like the part 1 and 2 titles because of how so many other franchises ruined the concept.
This.

And no, the budget estimates are just production, not promo added in.

Needless to say, Marvel is expecting big things from these films.

so $500m a piece and probably another $250m a piece on promotion.

Yeah they must be expecting big things.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
To me having a trilogy and having the 3rd film be called Part 1 just reeks of getting more money out of one film.
It isn't a trilogy.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 11:26:58 AM
To me having a trilogy and having the 3rd film be called Part 1 just reeks of getting more money out of one film.
It isn't a trilogy.

I didn't say it was ffs. I was just citing precedent your honour.

Quote from: Adami
Most likely they just didn't like the part 1 and 2 titles because of how so many other franchises ruined the concept.

Other franchises have done it. Announcing a trilogy and then the 3rd film is actually two films.
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Post by: Adami on March 06, 2017, 11:34:56 AM
And while 500 mill a movie is a lot, keep in mind that a huge chunk of that is just actor salary.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 11:43:01 AM
Yeah it's an ensemble piece with lots of big names probably all getting around $20m each.


Which they get whether the film is a hit or a bomb.
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Post by: Adami on March 06, 2017, 11:44:51 AM
Yeah it's an ensemble piece with lots of big names probably all getting around $20m each.


Which they get whether the film is a hit or a bomb.

RDJ alone is likely getting at least 100 mil a movie.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
I've never really thought about it in these terms prior to seeing those numbers.  But with 24 films and all the merch and licensing that goes with them, they could easily afford to have the two Infinity Wars films not make budget and be "loss leaders" of sorts.  I mean, not that they WON'T make budget, but just saying.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 01:08:35 PM
Well.

For arguments sake lets say that the promotional budget is 500m ( 250m per film )

That's $1.5bn they need to make back.

That's $750m per film. Just to recoup the budgets.

They're probably hoping for about $1.5bn per movie.


The first Avengers took $1.5bn and the second one $1.4bn

But yeah if all their other films make huge profits it won't really matter.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
But even if they don't get it from ticket sales (which they will), they will still make a TON by the time all is said and done.  Pretty crazy when you stop and think about it.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 01:11:42 PM
But even if they don't get it from ticket sales (which they will), they will still make a TON by the time all is said and done.  Pretty crazy when you stop and think about it.

Yes if you include home theater sales too.

I read on some financial website that The Force Awakens made it's money back just on merchandise alone.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 06, 2017, 01:16:26 PM
Dormammu fell a little flat for me.

Gotta agree with this. I really like the movie overall, but the end fight with Dormammu, or at least his face, was a bit underwhelming.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
Dormammu fell a little flat for me.

Gotta agree with this. I really like the movie overall, but the end fight with Dormammu, or at least his face, was a bit underwhelming.
I thought the fight itself was pretty cool.  It's just that they didn't really build up Dormammu enough beforehand for me to really feel like he was very menacing.  I mean, obviously, he was.  But I just wasn't feeling it, if that makes sense. 
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Post by: BlackInk on March 06, 2017, 01:21:59 PM
I had no particular problem with the buildup, my issue is more with the portrayal of him once we finally got there, which I guess makes the buildup retroactively less intriguing.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2017, 01:49:33 PM
Trying to decide for myself where it makes sense for the final infinity stone to be revealed.  I'm leaning toward Thor: Ragnarok, just because of the setting and villain.  I think my second choice is Infinity Wars I.  Part of where I am coming from is where the other stones were revealed or have their focus.

-Tesseract:  Now on Asgard, if memory serves.  But was found on earth and that's where the action was focused.
-Ether:  Presumably, the Collector still has it.  When it comes right down to it, the action was really focused on earth and the invasion at the end because the merging of the realms was focused there.  But obviously, there was an Asgardian focus as well.
-Loki's staff/mind stone:  Earth again.  Yeah, Loki brought it there from far away.  But the action surrounding it is focused on earth.  And that is where it now resides (in Vision's forehead).
-Orb (was it the reality stone?):  Nova Corps has it. 
-Time stone:  Earth.

So, 3 of the 5 stones are on or were focused on earth.  I just think it would be odd for the last stone to be there as well.  So, that said, I am ruling out it being revealed in Black Panther or Spider Man.  And in any case, I think it would be odd for it to not be revealed until AFTER the first Infinity Wars movie, so I am ruling out Captain Marvel.  That leaves GotG2, Thor: Ragnarok, and Infinity Wars I.  I see no reason it couldn't show up in GotG2.  But it just seems odd that they would reveal 2 stones in the two GotG films.  I dunno.  I could be completely off base, but that's my speculation, for what it's worth.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 06, 2017, 01:54:23 PM
Avengers : McGuffin War.
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Post by: Adami on March 06, 2017, 02:02:49 PM
Avengers: Infinite Money War.
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Post by: Grappler on March 06, 2017, 02:09:27 PM
Trying to decide for myself where it makes sense for the final infinity stone to be revealed.  I'm leaning toward Thor: Ragnarok, just because of the setting and villain.  I think my second choice is Infinity Wars I.  Part of where I am coming from is where the other stones were revealed or have their focus.

I'm pretty sure it will be in Thor: Ragnarok.  There is a theory/meme that lists where it will appear, which I've seen on some Marvel facebook pages.  It looks like it will make sense if it works out that way and is a neat little nugget for fans.   :biggrin:

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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 06, 2017, 02:20:05 PM
I see no reason it couldn't show up in GotG2. 
Well, director James Gunn said his film wouldn't be connected with the larger Avengers-themed storyline, so I doubt it (unless he is lying).

It won't be Spider-Man, because that's still a Sony movie, and they won't devote their film space to something so big for Marvel's ongoing storyline, if they lend out Spider-Man to the MCU or borrow other characters (like Iron Man) from the MCU. 

It will be in Thor: Ragnarok, or just wait until Infinity War.
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Post by: Adami on March 06, 2017, 02:46:10 PM
I've seen people theorize that GoTG 2 will have a post credits scene tying into Infinity War or something.

I think people are forgetting that Guardians 2 still takes place around 2014, since it's not too long after the last movie ended.

So the in-universe time that will elapse between Guardians 2 and Infinity War will be several years. Groot will likely be adult, and their relationships will have to be a little different.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2017, 03:09:26 PM
Well, director James Gunn said his film wouldn't be connected with the larger Avengers-themed storyline, so I doubt it (unless he is lying).

Psh!  If it wasn't posted in this thread, it didn't happen.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 07, 2017, 12:39:21 AM
The aether is the reality stone, the orb is the power stone.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on March 09, 2017, 06:27:00 PM
The deadpool 2 teaser  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLeGWcVeIZ4

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Post by: jingle.boy on March 12, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
Trying to decide for myself where it makes sense for the final infinity stone to be revealed.  I'm leaning toward Thor: Ragnarok, just because of the setting and villain.  I think my second choice is Infinity Wars I.  Part of where I am coming from is where the other stones were revealed or have their focus.

But it just seems odd that they would reveal 2 stones in the two GotG films.  I dunno.  I could be completely off base, but that's my speculation, for what it's worth.

By that logic, it would also be odd that 2/3 Thor movies would reveal a stone?

My vote is definitely Ragnarok.  It has to be an "H" something... so some prevailing theories are Hel, Hela, or Heimdall.  Since it's the Soul stone, something to do with Hel or Hela seem logical, since soul's would be trapped in Hel.
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Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 03:03:04 PM
There's also the (much less likely) theory that the soul stone will be in Black Panther and that would explain how BP can communicate with all the dead black panthers before him. Assuming of course that they carried that element over from the comics.
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Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 03:04:12 PM
Also I'm a little worried about Iron Fist. It's getting not great reviews thus far, and the response from people involved is essentially "Well this was made for the fans, not the critics" which is what they usually say about awful properties. I remember that being the defending line against Suicide Squad and BvS.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 12, 2017, 03:17:59 PM
Also I'm a little worried about Iron Fist. It's getting not great reviews thus far, and the response from people involved is essentially "Well this was made for the fans, not the critics" which is what they usually say about awful properties. I remember that being the defending line against Suicide Squad and BvS.
Some of the criticism seems to be of whitewashing, which frankly I am shrugging off because it is coming from people who have no knowledge of the original comics.

The more troublesome criticism I have seen is that it's boring, which seems hard to believe given the character involved, and the lack of his costume, which is a huge missed opportunity.

We'll see.
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Post by: axeman90210 on March 12, 2017, 03:51:20 PM
Yeah, I've seen a couple critics who I generally like and who have liked to loved the other Marvel series come out with pretty negative opinions about Iron Fist. I'll still probably watch it at some point, but I'm not in any rush to do so.
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Post by: faizoff on March 12, 2017, 10:51:10 PM
I just finished Luke Cage and despite what I've read about how people found it too slow or boring, I thought it was an excellent series and very well done. Aside from a few things here and there I have no complaints about it. I think from the Marvel-Netflix shows so far season one of Luke Cage is my second favorite after the first season of Daredevil. I liked it more than Jessica Jones.

I like the more measured tone and slower buildup with a ton more characterization being developed. And if my crush for Rosario Dawson wasn't already so high, after that series it's way higher.
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Post by: Adami on March 12, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
I thought Luke Cage was damn near perfect until the whole brother bad guy storyline. I think if they had solely focused on Maharshala and his sister, that would have been incredible. So basically 10 episodes instead of 13 or how many ever.
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Post by: faizoff on March 12, 2017, 11:03:35 PM
I didn't mind the last few episode with the shift of story lines. I thought it was still great. Though I do admit that I think Netfilx/Marvel can easily trim the content down to 10 episodes per season and make it stellar show season after season.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 13, 2017, 01:10:18 AM
I liked Luke Cage for the most part, but yeah that brother thing really messed it up for me. Also, Luke himself isn't a very interesting character. Easily my least favorite of the Netflix shows so far.
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Post by: Zantera on March 13, 2017, 02:19:32 AM
Luke Cage was a bit of a disappointment to me sadly because even though I liked him as the main character, I could not stand Shades, and Diamondback was channeling Tommy Lee Jones from Batman Forever or something. That show did not handle tone very well for me. You have these moments trying to be serious and dealing with black people and their daily struggle in Harlem due to racism, and then you have the main "boss" show up in his business suit with a bazooka blowing up a diner, a scene that felt taken out of an animated kids show or something. For the most part I enjoyed the show but that final battle was Rocky V levels of cringe and the show just derailed somewhere when the first bad guy (who was good overall IMO) left and the focus switched to Diamondback.

Kinda sucks seeing the terrible reviews for Iron Fist so far.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 13, 2017, 05:43:36 AM
I thought Luke Cage was damn near perfect until the whole brother bad guy storyline. I think if they had solely focused on Maharshala and his sister, that would have been incredible. So basically 10 episodes instead of 13 or how many ever.

:iagree:

And the finale was just a massive lunch-bag letdown.  No closure whatsoever between anyone.  It's like the ending was specifically written as a mid-season finale so that both rivalry's could be resurrectued.  At least with Daredevil 1, Fisk was arrested/convicted; Daredevil 2, everyone thought Elektra was killed, and The Hand vanquished; JJ... Kilgrave is dead.  With Luke Cage, it didn't feel like a 'finale' at all.
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Post by: ariich on March 13, 2017, 07:38:15 AM
Yeah Diamondback was just too cartoony and over the time for the tone of the Defenders shows. I agree that the show was really strong up until they killed off Cottonmouth.

Don't have any particular expectations for Iron Fist. Bit of a shame if it's quite slow moving, but that in itself doesn't really bother me, so I'll be keeping an open mind.

The race complaints are ludicrous on this occasion though. A number of reviewers have been asking why they didn't cast an Asian American. Er, maybe because that's not the character? Bizarre.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 14, 2017, 02:00:42 AM
Luke Cage's ending was hugely dissapointing to me. That fight was just ludicrous. How many times do you have to tell someone in a comic show to grab the shiny flashing thing on the back of the opponent's suit?! Come on! Up until then it was ok, but not up to the standard by Daredevil and Jessica Jones in a long shot, in my opinion.
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Post by: faizoff on March 14, 2017, 02:32:04 AM
All valid points though like I said I didn't mind the shift to a more comic booky villain and ending.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 14, 2017, 07:26:05 AM
I really liked the first half of Luke Cage, but after Cottonmouth died, the second half of the show really went downhill. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 14, 2017, 07:39:21 AM
I really liked the first half of Luke Cage, but after Cottonmouth died, the second half of the show really went downhill.

While I missed Cottonmouth, I could've handled more focus on Mariah and Shades as the villains - and always wondering who was really pulling whose strings.  It was Diamondback's character and backstory that really didn't click with me.
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Post by: ariich on March 17, 2017, 05:01:35 PM
Only watched the first Iron Fist episode but I'm digging it so far.
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Post by: Adami on March 18, 2017, 01:41:42 AM
Saw the first two Iron Fists. Will keep watching tomorrow.

It's..........okay. They picked the wrong story to do, sadly and the writing/directing is well below par. I think if they got great writers/directors, and a better overall storyline, the show could be great.

Finn Jones is getting a lot of heat for playing a boring Rand, but as of now the dude isn't given anything to work with. There's only so far "I'm Danny Rand!" can take you.
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Post by: aurorablind on March 18, 2017, 02:18:03 AM
I've seen the first five episodes and I'm liking it so far. It's a slow start, yes, but the story is picking up, and I'm sure it will become more intense in the second part of the season.
I'm torn about the story. They've made a few poor choices, but it's really not as bad as some reviews say. It's a bit like Luke Cage in the sense that it's going to slow at parts..The difference is that Iron Fist starts out really slow and keeps going that way for a good chunk of time. It's very apparent that the main reason this show exists is to build up to The Defenders. 
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Post by: BlackInk on March 18, 2017, 02:45:53 AM
Seen the first episode. Aside from characters being generally frustrating and one bad CG bird I'm interested in the story.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 18, 2017, 03:48:48 AM
Second episode was much better.
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Post by: ariich on March 18, 2017, 04:37:36 AM
Second episode was much better.
Yeah it's building already. Slowly, but it has some great tension.

This is why I can't stand critics.

EDIT: Four episodes in and I'm really enjoying it. If it continues to build like this and they don't do a Luke Cage curveball for the last few episodes then I can see this being not far off DD and JJ (though probably still a step below). God I hate critics so much.
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Post by: Adami on March 18, 2017, 11:51:52 PM
Well you and the critics have different agendas.

Most people watch a show simply to be entertained. A critic has to dive deeper into it.

They have to look at story, writing, directing, acting, structure, art, etc etc.

Is Iron First entertaining? Yea. Mostly (so far for me at least, only on episode 3).

Is the writing good? Not especially.
Is the directing good? Not really.
Is the acting good? Mostly, (aside from the one bad guy's son) but they're not given much to work with.
Is the story very good? Not especially.
But is it entertaining? Mostly, yea.

So it's very possible for you to enjoy a show and a critic to really dislike it. They're looking for things you aren't.

Also, like I said, just on the 3rd episode, but if we could please stop using the phrase "I'm Danny Rand!", that would be great.
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Post by: ariich on March 19, 2017, 04:40:38 AM
Well you and the critics have different agendas.

Most people watch a show simply to be entertained. A critic has to dive deeper into it.

They have to look at story, writing, directing, acting, structure, art, etc etc.

Is Iron First entertaining? Yea. Mostly (so far for me at least, only on episode 3).

Is the writing good? Not especially.
Is the directing good? Not really.
Is the acting good? Mostly, (aside from the one bad guy's son) but they're not given much to work with.
Is the story very good? Not especially.
But is it entertaining? Mostly, yea.

So it's very possible for you to enjoy a show and a critic to really dislike it. They're looking for things you aren't.

Also, like I said, just on the 3rd episode, but if we could please stop using the phrase "I'm Danny Rand!", that would be great.
I think this is very generous to critics (ok there are some good ones). Obviously we all like being entertained by entertainment, but to suggest that critics are the only ones who think more deeply about it is a little silly. In this case, too, the clear indications are that most of these critics have been thinking LESS deeply, especially with all the "white-washing" gibberish.

I also don't see what's supposedly so bad about the story, writing and directing, other than the fact that it's a very slow build (which there's nothing inherently bad about, though personally I'd prefer the directing to be a little pacier).
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Post by: Zantera on March 19, 2017, 08:52:38 AM
I think the biggest thing people tend to overlook in the critics vs fans debate is the fact that many of us regular people either have very specific taste or we absorb our entertainment in pretty limited form compared to critics. If you're a critic and you get paid to sit through a shitload of new media (movies and tv-shows), I would imagine certain story telling devices, arcs and tropes become very familiar to the point of "yeah this is doing nothing new".
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 19, 2017, 05:24:46 PM
I also think that some critics have biases to certain genres and that can come through on their reviews.  I've seen that in music reviews as well
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 05:32:27 PM
I guess it really depends on the critics. I have a few youtube people I really trust, and that I know love this genre and love Daredevil, JJ, Luke Cage etc etc, but still didn't like Iron Fist.

I think Iron Fist is definitely the weakest of the four Defenders so far, but I think it's still mostly pretty good and (as of the 6th episode) is getting much better, despite some weak storytelling and bad directing. I'm not sure IF will get a season 2 after this response, but if they do, they have the opportunity to really do a great job with a potentially great character.

I think one example of poor storytelling so far is that we spent like 3 or 4 episodes on the whole "I'm Danny Rand!" story line which led nowhere, accomplished nothing and is totally irrelevant to the actual story line that is now just starting to take shape. It was just a waste of time.


That said, I do think in this case it was a case of a few critics genuinely not liking it and then when other people heard that, they were primed already to not like it and went in with that subconscious slant. I remember seeing a youtube show where someone was talking about how bad IF was but then admitted he never watched any of it but was just saying it based off what other critics had said. That's not cool.
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2017, 09:36:15 PM
On episode 8 now, and I just keep thinking...
















.......why isn't Claire calling Daredevil? Seriously.
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Post by: ariich on March 20, 2017, 01:00:33 AM
I think one example of poor storytelling so far is that we spent like 3 or 4 episodes on the whole "I'm Danny Rand!" story line which led nowhere, accomplished nothing and is totally irrelevant to the actual story line that is now just starting to take shape. It was just a waste of time.
See, this makes no sense to me. I haven't read the comics so don't know if it's a carry over, but in the show Danny Rand is clearly meant to be someone who doesn't fit in anywhere, a fish out of water. His frustration at nobody believing him in the first 2-3 episodes is absolutely a part of setting that up. You may not have found it interesting, but it's entirely relevant to the character story.

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That said, I do think in this case it was a case of a few critics genuinely not liking it and then when other people heard that, they were primed already to not like it and went in with that subconscious slant. I remember seeing a youtube show where someone was talking about how bad IF was but then admitted he never watched any of it but was just saying it based off what other critics had said. That's not cool.
Agreed, it has become pretty obvious that a number of critics have gone in expecting not to like it (or possibly just being extra sceptical because of the stupid race thing) and so are judging it incredibly unfairly.
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Post by: Podaar on March 20, 2017, 07:24:04 AM
On episode 8 now, and I just keep thinking...

.......why isn't Claire calling Daredevil? Seriously.

Haha, we just finished episode 5 last night and I thought, "She should just go talk with Mathew, he could tell Danny all about the Hand's activities in New York.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2017, 08:10:44 AM
I'm now 9 episodes in with Iron Fist.  I thought the first episode was pretty "meh" and I was worried, but it has definitely picked up since then.  It still has 4 episodes to go, so there is definitely still time for it to go off the rails, but to this point, I would rank it ahead of Luke Cage, which was really hurt by the back half of that season.

For me, the biggest problem is the writing, and specifically the writing of Danny Rand and his personality.  His whole schtick of fucking shit up because he doesn't know anything gets a little tired after a while (I get it, kind of, but come on, learn some shit), and I don't buy that a guy whose ENTIRE PURPOSE is defeating/destroying the Hand would withdraw from that Grand Duel just to save one girl's life.  Heroic? Sure.  Smart/in line with 15 years of training?  Not really.

But definitely entertaining so far.

I do, however, think they missed a huge opportunity by leaving out some version of his uniform.
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Post by: soupytwist on March 20, 2017, 08:33:10 AM
Three episodes in and i'm really struggling.  I've read a few reviews and it sounds like it doesn't really get any better (the final episode is really panned).   I suppose I will have to finish it as probably important to the defenders, but I definately won't be rushing though it.

Just found out the showrunner for this was the showrunner for the final 3 seasons of Dexter......ouch.
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Post by: Bolsters on March 20, 2017, 08:55:00 AM
Just found out the showrunner for this was the showrunner for the final 3 seasons of Dexter......ouch.
How does that person still get work? :lol
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Post by: ariich on March 20, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
For me, the biggest problem is the writing, and specifically the writing of Danny Rand and his personality.  His whole schtick of fucking shit up because he doesn't know anything gets a little tired after a while (I get it, kind of, but come on, learn some shit), and I don't buy that a guy whose ENTIRE PURPOSE is defeating/destroying the Hand would withdraw from that Grand Duel just to save one girl's life.  Heroic? Sure.  Smart/in line with 15 years of training?  Not really.
I honestly have no problem with his character or the writing (based on 6 episodes so far), and I liked that particular scene as a moment where he was really torn between what he's been training for and the kind of person he wants to be. Part of him not fitting in. But each to their own, and I guess I can understand why some might get bored of that theme.
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Post by: Adami on March 20, 2017, 02:01:22 PM
For me, the biggest problem is the writing, and specifically the writing of Danny Rand and his personality.  His whole schtick of fucking shit up because he doesn't know anything gets a little tired after a while (I get it, kind of, but come on, learn some shit), and I don't buy that a guy whose ENTIRE PURPOSE is defeating/destroying the Hand would withdraw from that Grand Duel just to save one girl's life.  Heroic? Sure.  Smart/in line with 15 years of training?  Not really.
I honestly have no problem with his character or the writing (based on 6 episodes so far), and I liked that particular scene as a moment where he was really torn between what he's been training for and the kind of person he wants to be. Part of him not fitting in. But each to their own, and I guess I can understand why some might get bored of that theme.

I'm glad you're loving all of it. I'm still enjoying it immensely, but I do have a good amount of problems. I think both perspectives are equally cool, yea?
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Post by: ariich on March 20, 2017, 02:10:23 PM
Absolutely, hence "each to their own".

I'm not loving it nearly as much as JJ and to some extent DD. It's a little on the slow side for my tastes, I really think they could have turned these 55 minute episodes into 45 minute ones and it would have felt a bit more exciting. But that's my only real complaint, otherwise I'm digging it immensely. Unless it goes off track towards the end like Luke Cage did then I think I'll be ranking it third out of the four.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2017, 02:38:45 PM
Unless it goes off track towards the end like Luke Cage did then I think I'll be ranking it third out of the four.
Same.
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Post by: Adami on March 20, 2017, 03:47:09 PM
Also, man Colleen Wing sure is yummy.
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Post by: Podaar on March 20, 2017, 03:52:20 PM
 :tup
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Post by: Adami on March 20, 2017, 09:21:27 PM
Just finished the first season.

I have to change one of my opinions. At the beginning, I thought Finn Jones was a good actor who was just given bad material, I now have to say that, while he did have his moments, he is just not the right actor for this role. Between his very weak martial arts and his....bad acting....he's just not the right fit for how they wrote Danny Rand. Hopefully he'll be better in Defenders as he'll have a different dynamic to play.
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Post by: aurorablind on March 21, 2017, 01:13:39 AM
I agree.. I started to hate some of his face expressions during his series. He lacks charisma as well. I hope they "fix" him in The Defenders.

Just finished the season as well. I enjoyed it, but it's probably my least favorite of the Marvel/Netflix shows.

The kung-fu stuff is very silly at times. Isn't Danny Rand supposed to be the best martial artist in Marvel? He just jumps around and punches about, and gets kicked around a lot as well. Daredevil would kick his ass  :lol
There ain't really that much "Iron-Fisting" either. The best Iron Fist scene isn't even from Danny Rand, but from the couple of seconds of black and white footage we've shown of the old Iron Fist.

I liked the Ward character more and more during the series. Colleen Wing was probably the character i enjoyed the most (and she's not exactly painful to look at  :coolio )
The story wasn't shit. It's what saves the series. But there are TONS of plot holes and wierd twists and turns that are just...bad..

Iron Fist is one of the coolest obscure characters in the Marvel universe, so it disappoints me that they messed it up.
I've heard that they had to rush the writing and production of Iron Fist so they could release The Defenders this fall. It really shows!
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Post by: soupytwist on March 21, 2017, 03:59:04 AM
The actually character of Iron Fist on this show is awful, and it probably isn't helped by the actor.   
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Post by: BlackInk on March 21, 2017, 01:30:36 PM
Finished the season today. I liked it. Didn't know anything at all going in so I was happy to see that the Hand was involved and it made me realize that a grand confrontation with them is probably what these Defenders shows have been building towards.

My favorite characters were the Meachum siblings, who I thought were just thoroughly interesting people with engaging stories. Other characters could be a bit frustrating at times, but other than that they were fine.

So yeah, I liked this season. Not as much as Daredevil or Jessica Jones, but loads more than Luke Cage.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 01:55:58 PM
Doctor Strange is on PlayStation Video for £3.50.

I might do that later. Then i'll have seen every MCU movie except Civil War.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:07:38 PM
Well that was alright. It didn't blow me away.

Not as fun as the first Iron Man but so much better than Iron man 2.

I think i'd put it on the same level as a Thor movie**. Entertaining for 2 hours and now i've seen it.

Better than a lot of Phase I but not better than anything in Phase II.




** EDIT - Actually it's about the same as Ant Man for me. An origin story with cool visuals and the new dimension at the end.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 21, 2017, 05:33:42 PM
I enjoyed it.  I will watch it again.  But, yeah, I don't rate it up there very high.
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Post by: Adami on March 21, 2017, 05:36:41 PM
I'm hoping Marvel looks at Logan and Deadpool and tries to change their game a bit.

Obviously I don't mean go R rated, since they'll never do that, nor do they need to, but make a different kind of movie. Marvel has set the bar for superhero movies, but we get it already. Not counting the two Russo brothers movies, these movies very much follow the same formula. That formula has worked for a long time, but no we have been shown that you can make different kinds of comic book movies, and I hope Marvel takes advantage of that.

We'll see, I guess, with Spiderman, Thor and Black Panther. Guardians was their own venture into something very different and it succeeded, wish they kept trying new things.
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Post by: Kotowboy on March 21, 2017, 05:42:05 PM
They may do if the movie grosses start to tail off.
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Post by: Adami on March 21, 2017, 06:48:14 PM
So apparently Finn Jones said that, for his fight scenes, he learned the choreography like 15 min before filming.



It showed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on March 22, 2017, 01:51:30 AM
I actually never noticed anything off about his fighting. I thought he was fine.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 22, 2017, 01:56:06 AM
I actually never noticed anything off about his fighting. I thought he was fine.

Honestly, the dude is supposed to be the master of Kung Fu. We got better fight scenes in every other Marvel Netflix show.

He wasn't awful, but he wasn't the master of Kung Fu. He wasn't Iron Fist. He knew a few moves.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 22, 2017, 02:45:41 AM
Probably a case of ignorance being bliss - I can't say I know any kung fu, so wouldn't know what to look out for, but I thought he seemed pretty good.

I also hadn't interpreted it as him being the absolute best fighter in terms of strength/technique/moves/etc, but rather that he learned how to channel his inner strength (or whatever) in order to summon the Iron Fist. Might have missed something though, or again might be ignorance of the character from the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 22, 2017, 03:21:18 AM
Just watched episode 4 with the hallway/elevator fight. Looked pretty solid to me. I'm also not too familiar with the character, but it looks like a fun, if somewhat slow start to the show. I'm interested in the interaction with the other Defenders later on.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on March 22, 2017, 04:51:48 AM
Also he states on multiple occasions that he hasn't finished his training. I don't recall the exact circumstances he said it but I remember hearing it a few times.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on March 22, 2017, 05:34:31 AM
I enjoyed it.  I will watch it again.  But, yeah, I don't rate it up there very high.

Also Mads was very under used. Apart from a couple of fisticuffs scenes - he barely did anything in the movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on March 26, 2017, 02:31:12 AM
Iron Fist is bad.

Very disappointed, as I much prefer these Netflix shows over the films. The actor playing Danny Rand is comparable to Hayden Christensen in the Star Wars prequels. Whiney, overacting, and very stale.

Claire this time around just didn't work, and honestly felt forced. At least she had a purpose to be in Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage.

The writing and dialogue throughout Iron Fist felt very weak. The show’s tone felt inconsistent; like it wasn't sure when to be campy or when to go serious.

Thank god for David Wenham. He was the only reason I kept watching after four or five episodes in.

And Jessica Henwick. My god, she's so damn cute.

I think bringing in Iron Fist probably would have been better served in The Defenders, I think.  In terms of the over all plot and stripping it down to individual episodes, Iron Fist failed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 27, 2017, 09:02:57 AM
Unless it goes off track towards the end like Luke Cage did then I think I'll be ranking it third out of the four.
Same.
Well, it did.

Man, the last three episodes were a trainwreck, especially the finale. 

I am VERY disappointed with this show.  Other than Daredevil, this was the Netflix show I was anticipating the most when the initial announcement was made.  So much could have been done with this character, and it just wasn't.  It's almost as if, for the first time, Marvel entrusted one of their properties to a creative team who just didn't fully understand or love the character.  At least that's how it felt to me.

Parts of it were fun, and Colleen Wing saved the show from being a complete shitstorm.  But Claire was apparently just shoehorned in "because", and then was given WAY too large a role for an out-of-work nurse.  The Hand was nowhere near as scary or foreboding here as they were in Daredevil.

Danny Rand was pretty pathetic as a character, especially as a protagonist.  I know it isn't all on Finn Jones; he's not a bad actor.  But all you can do is all you can do, with the script and direction you are given.

Other than Colleen Wing, the most interesting character was Ward Meachum, IMO.

They missed real opportunities by NOT featuring the costume (the uniform of the Iron Fist) or showing Shou-Lao the dragon. 

Iron Fist was easily the worst thing produced thus far by Marvel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 27, 2017, 09:14:23 AM
^ I agree with all of that. So many missed opportunities.

I thought it was an interesting idea to have a different faction of The Hand competing for dominance with different methods. Yet, this Scientology type faction wasn't as creepy as it could (should) have been.

The last several episodes had some cool choreographed fights yet nothing was really resolved and left me scratching my head more that thinking "fuck yeah."

I now have very low expectations for The Defenders.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 27, 2017, 09:17:38 AM
I now have very low expectations for The Defenders.

I wouldn't. As far as I know, it's being handled by different people than Iron Fist.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 27, 2017, 09:27:38 AM
Haven't seen the finale yet, but I've been enjoying Iron Fist just fine, still probably roughly on a par with Luke Cage, maybe slightly better (won't be able to judge until after I've finished). It's weird - normally I can see why people like/dislike something when my opinion is the opposite, but on this occasion I don't really understand it. Ho hum.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 28, 2017, 03:02:11 AM
Just saw the episode where he's getting his Ass handed to him first by the guy in China, ' Drunken-Master'  style....what is up with that?!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on March 28, 2017, 05:09:16 AM
I thought that was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 28, 2017, 09:42:58 AM
New Spider-Man: Homecoming trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiTECkLZ8HM)

:caffeine:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 28, 2017, 09:45:30 AM
Yeah, I saw that earlier today. Very cool!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2017, 09:55:00 AM
That was a great trailer. I'm hoping Michael Keaton is their best villain in a while. Really looks like they're giving him motivation and personality.

Also that whole line about not deserving the suit was great. I'm increasingly excited for this movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 28, 2017, 09:56:02 AM
That was a great trailer. I'm hoping Michael Keaton is their best villain in a while. Really looks like they're giving him motivation and personality.

Also that whole line about not deserving the suit was great. I'm increasingly excited for this movie.
Same here.  :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on March 28, 2017, 10:10:20 AM
Michael Keaton as Birdman  is in an MCU movie ? Holy Crossover Irony Batman !

Quote
Keaton stated that Toomes was "interesting to play" and would not be completely villainous, saying "there’s parts of him that you go, 'You know what? I might see his point.'"


They all say this - and then they're always generic bad guy wants revenge.

Always. :p
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2017, 10:19:19 AM
Having a bad guy who wants revenge is fine.

But we need to see why he wants revenge, and empathize with that need. It can't just be stated and then we're told to simply accept it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on March 28, 2017, 11:20:51 AM
I really like how Vulture seems like a genuine threat. Sure, compare him to Green Goblin, Venom, Carnage or Doc Ock (or some of the other villains) and he is a bit of a throwaway villain, but with Peter still learning to be a superhero, I like the fact that he seems to be going in way over his head in this fight, and that even Tony tells him to let the big boys deal with it. If handled well, could be a nice coming of age arc with Peter really being the underdog and stepping up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2017, 03:54:27 PM
Also all the little character moments or minor details, like Ganke putting on the mask for a minute, or seeing how he puts on his suit in a way that makes sense. Really good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 28, 2017, 03:59:28 PM
Also all the little character moments or minor details, like Ganke putting on the mask for a minute, or seeing how he puts on his suit in a way that makes sense. Really good.

And, what he comes up with on his own after it's repossessed.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2017, 05:59:06 PM
And it looked like what a kid like him could realistically make. I know he made his own suit in the comics, and that's cool. That said, I've always had an issue with how he does it in the movies. They did Tobey's okay because it had multiple variations and showed him working up to it. Andrew's was just....yea, no way he's making that thing.

So for this one, having Stark make it was genius and added a level of believability to it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on March 28, 2017, 09:17:53 PM
But these movies aren't grounded or realistic. So as a Spider-Man fan, I DO have a problem with Peter Parker relying on Tony Stark for his suit.

That was poorly put together trailer, by the way. The teaser one was way better. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on March 29, 2017, 07:49:08 AM
Shame they used Ben Kingsley already, he is the spitting image of the Vulture!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 30, 2017, 11:14:19 AM
re: Iron Fist.

I'm completely with everyone who range from disappointment to not liking it at all.  Somewhere in between for me.  Danny Rand was an absolute moron - not just as a businessman, but having no street-sense whatsoever.  And his mounting anger towards the end was rushed and contrived.  I liked the evolution of Ward as a character, but am completely dumbfounded at Joy's turn in the closing scenes.  :wtf:  Far too many minor plot holes and 'as if' moments - throwing stars made out of tin-foil.  Ok  ::)  Another wtf moment was when he lost the fist because he couldn't center his Qi, but being put in handcuffs and an elevator ride allows him to re-summon the fist?   ::) When did Claire become a strong enough fighter to take on the people that Danny couldn't easily best.  Can you really walk around NYC carrying a sheathed scimitar without being questioned?  I could go on and on.

Easily the worst of the 5 Netflix Marvel series.  And did anyone else notice that each episode was on the lower end of the 50 minute range?  Over the span of 13 episodes, that really made it more like 12 episodes (compared to the other series').

I is disappoint - but glad the watching is finally over with.

re: Spiderman

Giggity.  I can totally get over the fact that the suit is coming from Stark/Avengers.  It's time to move past Spiderman movies being an origin story, so what they're doing here is 100% ok by me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on April 05, 2017, 12:53:29 PM
Anyone catch Agents of Shield last night? I thought it was really good and a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 05, 2017, 01:04:12 PM
Oh, wow.  No, I had forgotten that it started up again.  I'll have to go back to the DVR.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 05, 2017, 01:10:56 PM
jingle.son and I still haven't caught up from when it started back up in January.  I think we've got 10 episodes on the DVR.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 05, 2017, 01:18:45 PM
jingle.son and I still haven't caught up from when it started back up in January.  I think we've got 10 episodes on the DVR.

Like prior seasons, it tends to start off a bit slow, and it isn't clear where it is headed, but then gains a head of steam and really gets going toward the latter half, and the disparate loose ends from the first half start to come together and make sense.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on April 05, 2017, 01:21:46 PM
Anyone catch Agents of Shield last night? I thought it was really good and a lot of fun.

I'll be watching it later tonight.  I don't get the criticism of the show.  Yes, everyone wants more crossover, but Marvel gave them the full lead-in to Age of Ultron, which was really cool.  The Ghost Rider stuff this year kicked ass.

Finally saw Doctor Strange last weekend.  That was absolutely fantastic and visually stunning - I'm excited to see him interact with the other Avengers in Thor Raganarok and Infinity War.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 05, 2017, 01:38:16 PM
Finally saw Doctor Strange last weekend.  That was absolutely fantastic and visually stunning - I'm excited to see him interact with the other Avengers in Thor Raganarok and Infinity War.

I thought it was good, but not great.  I rank it down near the bottom of the Marvel films, personally.  But that isn't to say it is bad.  None of them are.  It just didn't rise to the level of most of the others for me.  One thing that bothered me was the continuity errors in the timeline, and I really wish they had been more careful about that.  In the grand scheme of things, it is fairly minor.  But the problem is, for movies like these, you have to suspend a lot of belief.  Minor things like timeline continuity errors that take you out of the moment don't help you suspend belief and immerse yourself in the story, and can take away from one's ability to do so.  To be believable, Strange's personal journey should have taken years.  But even if that is what is intended, the way it plays out on screen, it feels like it only takes a few months.  And although the clues aren't obvious and are in fact pretty subtle (I only know because of some online sources I read after the fact), clues in the film that I believe were actually just mistakes pretty much cement the timeline as a mere matter of months.  The writing team could have made fairly slight changes to tighten that up and given us a much more realistic, believable timeline. 

...but then again, I personally have never gone from cocky surgeon superstar to sorcerer supreme, so what do I know about how long the process should take?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 05, 2017, 02:21:05 PM
jingle.son and I still haven't caught up from when it started back up in January.  I think we've got 10 episodes on the DVR.
Same here, except no DVR. So I guess we have to wait until it hits Netflix.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on April 05, 2017, 07:33:37 PM
Finally saw Doctor Strange last weekend.  That was absolutely fantastic and visually stunning - I'm excited to see him interact with the other Avengers in Thor Raganarok and Infinity War.

I thought it was good, but not great.  I rank it down near the bottom of the Marvel films, personally.  But that isn't to say it is bad.  None of them are.  It just didn't rise to the level of most of the others for me.  One thing that bothered me was the continuity errors in the timeline, and I really wish they had been more careful about that.  In the grand scheme of things, it is fairly minor.  But the problem is, for movies like these, you have to suspend a lot of belief.  Minor things like timeline continuity errors that take you out of the moment don't help you suspend belief and immerse yourself in the story, and can take away from one's ability to do so.  To be believable, Strange's personal journey should have taken years.  But even if that is what is intended, the way it plays out on screen, it feels like it only takes a few months.  And although the clues aren't obvious and are in fact pretty subtle (I only know because of some online sources I read after the fact), clues in the film that I believe were actually just mistakes pretty much cement the timeline as a mere matter of months.  The writing team could have made fairly slight changes to tighten that up and given us a much more realistic, believable timeline. 

...but then again, I personally have never gone from cocky surgeon superstar to sorcerer supreme, so what do I know about how long the process should take?  :dunno:
I personally liked DR. Strange. I agree with 99.9% of what you said tho.
The writers sometime get put into a box. I wholeheartedly agree with you how they did the timeline.

But let us be honest. Those of us that are comic book geeks Should have a problem with it. BUT, we are a minority when it comes to stuff like that, Marvel will continue to make BILLIONS of the mvies. But most people just now the storyline as what they see on film.
And that is ok. Doesn't diminish, at least fore me how conistant they are in movie quality. LOL one iron man movie aside
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on April 05, 2017, 07:39:55 PM
For us geeks, star wars, marvel etc we sometimes tend to be tooooooooooooooooooo over analytical. Way I look a it is we have been lucky for some AWESOME Marvel movies. Could be worse and they make a bad J lo movie
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 05, 2017, 09:12:43 PM
Saw the newest Shield episode.


Interesting, lots of build up, curious to see where it will go. I love the "What if...." use.

Anyone else find it odd that this is the same season that had Ghost Rider?

It seems Marvel found an interesting way to make use of those long 24 episode seasons. Do 3 mini seasons in one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on April 06, 2017, 12:19:16 AM
Yeah, I think that was a bit odd actually. I mean, the Ghost Rider stuff was all good, but I thought that that would be like 'the thing' this season. So when it ended so soon it felt a bit weird. I'm not really complaining though, since all the L.M.D stuff has been great too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 06, 2017, 12:23:01 AM
Yeah, I think that was a bit odd actually. I mean, the Ghost Rider stuff was all good, but I thought that that would be like 'the thing' this season. So when it ended so soon it felt a bit weird. I'm not really complaining though, since all the L.M.D stuff has been great too.

I think they're trying a new way to do a season. Apparently shows must not have a less than 24 episode season option anymore, and they've heard (accurately) that 24 episodes on one story leaves A LOT of filler. So doing 3 mini seasons within a season really helps with that.

I think they tried a similar deal with Daredevil season 2, and to a much worse degree, Luke Cage. Daredevil had Punisher and then Elektra, basically 2 mini seasons, and Luke Cage tried to do the Diamond Back thing as a second arc that just failed miserably.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 06, 2017, 06:28:10 AM
Saw the newest Shield episode.


Interesting, lots of build up, curious to see where it will go. I love the "What if...." use.

Anyone else find it odd that this is the same season that had Ghost Rider?

It seems Marvel found an interesting way to make use of those long 24 episode seasons. Do 3 mini seasons in one.

I just saw it last night.  I got to say I like this tactic.  They can intertwine storylines and it makes it interesting.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on April 10, 2017, 07:22:01 AM
Thor: Ragnarök trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8RgYZAAIzY
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 10, 2017, 07:55:57 AM
Thor: Ragnarök trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8RgYZAAIzY
:caffeine:
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Post by: TioJorge on April 10, 2017, 08:02:10 AM
Damn, those youtube commenters never get old.

I thought it looked awesome. It definitely has the usual humor tone to it but if anyone that watches any Marvel films isn't used to that by now, they're fools. I mean good lord, literally every single film so far has had a decent amount of humor sprinkled in between the action and drama. Every single one. I thought the humorous "He's a friend from work!" was perfect. I mean why wouldn't he be excited to see Hulk? Only to find he's in pure rage mode.

Super excited for this one. I've seen and read Planet Hulk so many times and while I'm not expected anything like that or that epic, I'm glad they're taking notes and pieces from it.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 10, 2017, 08:08:03 AM
Looks cool!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 10, 2017, 08:27:00 AM
Boy, the superintendent's gonna be pissed!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on April 10, 2017, 08:32:39 AM
Only complaint is that it says "Coming Soon" at the end instead of "Coming Now".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 10, 2017, 10:48:01 AM
Immigrant Song was the absolute perfect choice for the music.

"Valhalla I am coming!"

Giggity.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 10, 2017, 10:49:04 AM
That looked great. Really great visual style.

Also Hela catching and crushing the hammer was awesome, especially that look on her face.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on April 10, 2017, 10:58:04 AM
My only real complaint is the movie looking a bit too CGI heavy. I get that it's a superhero movie set in space but I sometimes get Prequel-flashbacks when it looks like a character in front of a green screen, but hopefully with finished effects it looks better in the final movie. I was smiling through most of it. Even though I don't like the Thor movies that much, this looks like an enjoyable popcorn flick that will entertain me as I watch it, and that's really all I need from a Thor movie. If it ends up better than that and has massive rewatchability, that's a bonus.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on April 10, 2017, 03:14:30 PM
I've never been more attracted to Cate Blanchett. Ever.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 10, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
:lol  Not that I disagree, but have you ever seen Bandits?
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Post by: Podaar on April 10, 2017, 03:34:12 PM
:lol  Not that I disagree, but have you ever seen Bandits?

Oh, god yeah. The red hair... :drool:
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Post by: pogoowner on April 10, 2017, 05:48:48 PM
Goldblum.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2017, 03:39:24 PM
Man, that trailer has me SO excited.  Aside from maybe the Age of Ultron trailers, this is easily one of the best if not THE best of the MCU.  If Ragnarok even halfway lives up to the trailer, it's going to be really good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on April 11, 2017, 04:26:35 PM
Ugh, other than The Phantom Menace, I don't think I've ever been majorly let down from a movie based on a fantastic trailer like Age of Ultron.

Let's not go there with this Thor flik lol. I haven't been this excited for a MCU film since Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy.

Also

:lol  Not that I disagree, but have you ever seen Bandits?

Just looked that shit up and DAMN  :omg:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 11, 2017, 04:27:51 PM
Yea, I didn't mind Ultron, but that trailer hinted at what could have been the best Marvel movie yet.

IM3 did something similar. They went for the super dark gritty serious trailers, for an overall lighter fluffier film.
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Post by: Accelerando on April 12, 2017, 01:01:55 AM
I don't think it's connected to the MCU, but ya'll should be aware Telltale Games is dropping the first episode of their Guardians of the Galaxy game next week. Telltale does episodic choose your adventure/decision making games, so theres not a lot of action or "blasting" but the storytelling has always kept me hooked. The first season of their The Walking Dead series is one of the best games I ever played. They've done DC  games before; Batman and The Wolf Among Us which is based on Fables, two games I highly recommend. Guardians will be their first Marvel game.

Again, not sure if its connected to the MCU, but with the hype of the new movie coming out (and ride that is replacing Tower of Terror at Disney California Adventure), i think its something yall might want to check out.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 12, 2017, 01:39:45 AM
Yeah that trailer was frigging perfect. Can't go wrong with Zep!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 12, 2017, 01:41:34 AM
As someone on youtube pointed out, it's really cool that they went with the original version of Immigrant Song and not some weird new melodramatic, electronic, slowed down version like most other modern trailers.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 12, 2017, 01:45:06 AM
As someone on youtube pointed out, it's really cool that they went with the original version of Immigrant Song and not some weird new melodramatic, electronic, slowed down version like most other modern trailers.

Yes like that weird version of Yellow by Coldplay for X Men whatever
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on April 12, 2017, 01:47:24 AM

Super excited for this one. I've seen and read Planet Hulk so many times and while I'm not expected anything like that or that epic, I'm glad they're taking notes and pieces from it.

There's an episode of Half In The Bag where Rich Evans suggests they film Planet Hulk.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 12, 2017, 01:47:42 AM
Well I think they made some changes because I can hear some sort of pre-amble in the beginning of the trailer when he's dangling on the chain...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 12, 2017, 01:51:14 AM
I think almost everyone has been wanting Planet Hulk for years now.

Obviously they will take very little of it for the movie, as I really don't think that story would work too well in a live action format, since there's virtually no appearances by Bruce, and seeing Hulk carry a body as it turns to ash might be a bit dark for Disney.
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Post by: Kotowboy on April 12, 2017, 01:52:21 AM
 :omg: :D

Fuck now THAT'S a trailer.

I couldn't care less about the film but damn that made me want to see it. Immigrant Song was *PERFECT*.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2017, 07:59:02 AM
As someone on youtube pointed out, it's really cool that they went with the original version of Immigrant Song and not some weird new melodramatic, electronic, slowed down version like most other modern trailers.
Great choice.  "Valhalla, I am coming..."

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Post by: Podaar on April 12, 2017, 08:00:40 AM
"Hammer of the Gods..."

Tasty.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 12, 2017, 08:36:43 AM
Great choice.  "Valhalla, I am coming..."

I'm getting an incredible sense of deja vu.

Immigrant Song was the absolute perfect choice for the music.

"Valhalla I am coming!"

Giggity.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2017, 08:42:41 AM
Goddammit
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on April 12, 2017, 10:13:54 AM
Hef always comes second :zydar:
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2017, 12:01:36 PM
No comment
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 12, 2017, 01:59:26 PM
Hef always comes second :zydar:

Only in his youth.

Goddammit

And his response to me for that comment.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2017, 11:36:48 AM
****Agents of SHIELD spoilers****

The current story arc is pretty fun and exciting overall.  But I am highly annoyed at how stupid some of the characters have suddenly become.  Not those that are hooked up to the framework.  Obviously, their memories are being manipulated.  I'm fine with that.  But Daisey and Gemma have suddenly become morons driven solely by emotion and incapable of rational thought.  They are trained SHIELD agents.  They have both been undercover, including Gemma being DEEP undercover in Hydra in the real world.  They both entered the framework knowing that it was a virtual (i.e. NOT REAL) world.  They know this.  And yet, these two trained agents seemingly cannot help themselves from getting emotionally involved in every situation they see, and blowing their covers at every opportunity because they cannot keep a lid on their own emotions. 

Sorry to say, but for the first time since the series started, I am seeing some bad writing that just doesn't jibe with what we know of these characters.  And it's really annoying and disappointing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2017, 11:42:37 AM
I can see that argument for Daisy, but she's always been kind of an emotional idiot.

But Gemma? I mean she got super emotional over Fitz, but he's real, so I get that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2017, 11:47:31 AM
But Gemma? I mean she got super emotional over Fitz, but he's real, so I get that.

Yes, he's real, but:
1.  His memories are being manipulated, and
2.  It's a virtual world, so bad things happening don't have any real consequence in the real world provided they can just find out where Fitz, Colson, etc. actually are and get them unplugged.  So finding out where they are and getting them unplugged needs to not only be priority #1, but needs to be the ONLY priority.  I just don't see how this should be hard to figure out for either of these characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2017, 11:54:20 AM
Oh yea, I get that. And I think that is their only priority, that's why they went to see Scottish McScottsman.

As far as Fitz, yes it's virtual, but she's watching the man she loves go full Mengele. That might not be something either of them can just walk away from. I don't think his memories from inside the framework disappear. So he'll have to live with the fact that, brainwashed or not, he chose to murder people.

He also murdered a real person too. He didn't kill a program, that woman was alive.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2017, 12:01:54 PM
???  She wasn't alive.  She already died, and Scotty McScottsman "downloaded her consciousness" into the framework.  Fitz basically killed someone in a video game.  What's to regret about that?  The fact that when he made the decision, he thought it was real?  I mean, I can see how HE might have some issues with that once he is out.  And I get that Gemma might as well.  But it still feels entirely out of character for her to completely lose it and not be able to maintain cover and focus on the mission.  Even if it WERE completely real, a trained agent doesn't lose it and blow cover if something like that happens.  When said agent knows that it isn't really even happening outside of video game land, the emotional reaction just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2017, 12:08:05 PM
As far as the show is concerned, she was a real person, even if her body had died on the outside. So, within the show, Fitz killed a real person.

I dunno, I guess I can just understand Gemma a lot more. However, when Daisy gets all insane about programs beating up other programs, you're totally right. Sadly she's one of my least favorite characters, so I'm never terribly invested in her decisions.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2017, 12:12:54 PM
I'm not sure how or why to feel that, even in the context of the show, that she is "real."  But whatever.

I will give the writing team credit for working Ward back into the show yet again.  And for making us not hate this iteration of him.  Pretty clever. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2017, 12:18:34 PM
Yea, I think it's clever how they flipped the double agent thing to make him a good guy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on April 17, 2017, 01:38:25 PM
Agnes was definetely a real person, not a program. A real life continuing inside the framework that Fitz just permanently and irreversably ended. It's just as real as if he'd shot any of the other actual people in there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
No, her memories are in the framework.  Agnes is not.  She can't be.  She died.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2017, 02:22:52 PM
I think this is just a philosophical disagreement, which is cool.

That's why I said, as far as the show is concerned, based in truth or not, she was a real person inside the framework.

So whether or not we agree with her, Jemma is reacting to Fitz killing a human being, and Fitz will likely be reacting to himself doing that too (if he gets his memories back).

Also keep in mind, Fitz thinks this is all real still. So even if it WERE just a program of a person, he shot her thinking she was a real human being. So whether or not he actually did, he made the decision to kill a human being. In the end, that's a huge deal.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2017, 02:46:51 PM
Also keep in mind, Fitz thinks this is all real still. So even if it WERE just a program of a person, he shot her thinking she was a real human being. So whether or not he actually did, he made the decision to kill a human being. In the end, that's a huge deal.

Well, yeah, and I acknowledged that there will likely be fallout going forward, especially for him.  It's more Gemma's current [over]reaction that I take issue with.

On a different topic, NOT spoiler inducing:

I was doing a bit of reading on Guardians 2, and found some great and humorous stuff about Dave Bautista's (Drax's) makeup application for filming this time around:

Quote
Dave Bautista: It’s so easy, you wouldn’t believe it. I’m not kidding. It takes like an hour and a half now. The last one, they got it down to four hours and everyone was celebrating. This, literally they attack me with paint rollers all over. And it looks better too. It looks way better.

They just have a completely different process. It took some testing. The problem was it goes on really great and it looks really great, but it’s really hard to get off. They came up with this idea: they stick me in a sauna at the end of the day. [laughs] They literally have to melt it off of me. That was the thing, because during the test we found out it’s so abrasive they literally have to scrub it off of me. So after two days, my skin was like hamburger. So they came up with the sauna thing, and I literally have a portable sauna that travels around with me and I get in at the end of the day, and I get three guys who come in and attack me – nothing weird there. Four guys in a sauna, just being men. [laughs] We talk about football and fighting a lot while we’re in there. [laughs]
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2017, 04:05:10 PM
That BETTER be on the special features.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2017, 04:28:04 PM
Trying to remember, and wondering if anyone can confirm:  Was it ever confirmed that the last infinity stone will appear in Thor: Ragnarok?  I was searching and could not find anything certain.  But everyone seems to assume that that is the case.  It has been confirmed that it will not show up in Guardians 2.  And it probably wouldn't make sense for it to show up in Black Panther.  Definitely not Spider Man.  But I don't think it has actually been confirmed to show up in Thor.  While it would make sense for it to show up in that film, it also wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't actually revealed until Infinity War, or perhaps even later, like in Captain Marvel or Infinity War 2.  ...unless, of course, it has been confirmed that it will show up in Thor, and I just missed it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2017, 04:30:43 PM
It has been confirmed to show up in Thor, though it was confirmed...........by Loki.







Yea, no confirmation one way or another to my knowledge. I also wouldn't be surprised to see it appear for the first time in Infinity War, maybe it's the big McGuffin of the film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on April 18, 2017, 06:35:56 AM
No, her memories are in the framework.  Agnes is not.  She can't be.  She died.

Well, her body died, but everything that was her mind still lived on, which was the whole point of the framework in the first place. It's like if someone killed Daisy's body right now, she probably wouldn't notice while in the framework because her mind is already part of it, but would that suddenly not be her anymore?

But yeah, like Adami said, I suppose it depends on what opinion one has about that entire concept.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 18, 2017, 07:39:19 AM
First advance screenings for GOTGV2 are in.  Actual reviews are embargoed, but almost universal praise in the comments I have seen.

One commenter said to stay in your seats, for not one, not two, not THREE, but FOUR post film scenes.  Jason Gunn responded to correct that to FIVE.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TioJorge on April 18, 2017, 11:38:23 AM
 :lol That is awesome. Just going ham with it and turning it into a joke. I like it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 18, 2017, 12:23:46 PM
Five? Holy stromboli.

I read that there were four.

Since the first one had Howard, do you think this one will have 5 scenes focusing on random unexpected and unrelated characters?

I'm also hoping Cosmo gets a significant role improvement. I've always loved him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 18, 2017, 02:57:06 PM
Five? Holy stromboli.

I read that there were four.
That is what several of the early viewers reported, so there were apparently four in the print they were shown.  Then James Gunn responded on Twitter that there would actually be five.  Maybe one was left out of the advance print.

Since the first one had Howard, do you think this one will have 5 scenes focusing on random unexpected and unrelated characters?

I'm also hoping Cosmo gets a significant role improvement. I've always loved him.
I hope so, on both counts.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on April 19, 2017, 02:07:48 AM
The first episode of the Guardians of the Galaxy game dropped today, and it's one of TellTale's best looking games. They took a big leap in the interactive gameplay with Batman, and it looks like they are continuing to build with this one.

It has nothing to do with the MCU, but in many ways, it's like the MCU adaptation. Same sense of humor, and filled with classic rock tunes. Check it out! You don't have to own a console to play it. You can download it on your phone and PC
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Art on April 19, 2017, 09:07:34 AM
(https://scontent.fsdu5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18010566_1776649009018330_721766655053186618_n.jpg?oh=ff95565ab21ae97db353e383eda4b95d&oe=5986ED35)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 19, 2017, 09:09:31 AM
:clap:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 19, 2017, 09:18:03 AM
^Pretty much sums up my reaction.  I am intrigued with how they will present this film now given the complexity of some of the story dynamics vs. continuing to keep a light, fun overall tone.  Having these sort of disparate juxtapositions (for example, relying heavily on nostalgia by deliberately relying heavily on old throwback music while having the movie set in a futuristic setting) is becoming a trademark of the Guardians franchise, and as long is it works, I like it. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 19, 2017, 11:55:45 AM
BTW, got tickets for me & the fam for GOTG V. 2 in IMAX 3D for Thursday May 4th.  One day before ROSFest, which means the epic weekend gets that much epicer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on April 20, 2017, 12:48:55 AM
The past few weeks, Disney California Adventure has been slowly taking down the rafters and revealing The Collector's Fortress, which is the home to the new Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout ride that has replaced The Twilight Zone: Tower of Terror. Here's a few pics I snapped

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/IMG_9437_zpsjscjxfqh.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/17880292_10212290182069622_8234006146876787548_o_zpsovy95oko.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 20, 2017, 01:36:47 AM
They put PARLIAMENT on the soundtrack???!! Got me dancing down the isles... :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 20, 2017, 07:29:32 AM
I've just gotta say, I have spent the last week or so re-watching Daredevil season 2, and it's a damn shame how much better it was than Iron Fist.  I can hardly tell they were produced by the same company.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on April 20, 2017, 08:26:05 AM
For me it was slightly better, but not much in it. DD season 1 much superior though, and JJ better still.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on April 20, 2017, 09:54:14 AM
Daredevil season 2 felt like it had a fair amount of bloat to it. Probably the first time I thought they should have had a shorter season for any of the Marvel shows. The bloat was still awesome though, and few moments in TV have had me as amped up as when you saw Punisher and Kingpin together in jail :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TioJorge on April 20, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
I've just gotta say, I have spent the last week or so re-watching Daredevil season 2, and it's a damn shame how much better it was than Iron Fist.  I can hardly tell they were produced by the same company.

Definitely. I couldn't even finish Iron Fist. I think it was just painfully obvious that the heart wasn't in it by the people who made it and it was more than likely rushed to finish up the set up for The Defenders. Shouldn't have been.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on April 21, 2017, 02:06:21 AM
I pretty much agree with all of that. Although I had the same feelings about Luke Cage. I had high hopes for that, but alas.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Art on April 22, 2017, 06:59:34 AM
For me, it's:

DD1>DD2>>>>>>>LC>IF>>>>>>>JJ
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on April 22, 2017, 07:40:21 AM
How can you have JJ under LC and IF? I don't get it at all
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on April 22, 2017, 10:10:06 AM
Me neither. Jessica Jones is my favorite of the Netflix shows so far. It also has the best villain of the entire MCU to date.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Art on April 22, 2017, 12:05:01 PM
JJ did nothing for me. I feel it could be cut at least in half, and we would get exactly the same story...IF and LC also suffer from this "stretching out" effect, but with JJ it was too much, IMHO.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2017, 09:04:20 AM
Different strokes for different strokes.

But I don't get it either.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on April 27, 2017, 02:47:38 AM
So I watched Guardians 2 last night, fun time was had. Not gonna write a long spoiler-ish post so let's keep it somewhat short and simple for now.

1. First Guardians is better, but Volume 2 was funnier. Similar to Avengers and Age of Ultron, this time they went for more jokes and a lot of them hit.
2. The characters are all still great and likable and the new additions work really well
3. Main problem is the story/structure. Without spoiling anything, You don't really know what's happening until the last 30 minutes or so.

And while 3 is a somewhat big problem that has sunk other superhero movies, for me 1 & 2 helped making up for it a bit. It falls towards the bottom half of the Marvel films but because the characters are great and most of the jokes hit, it was a really enjoyable experience even though there were no real signs of where the movie was going until the second half.

So would still recommend. :)

ALSO, there are FIVE post-credits scenes this time. So if you care about those, don't leave after the first 2 post-credits scenes like some people did. :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on April 27, 2017, 10:44:04 AM
Seeing it tomorrow! Can't wait!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 28, 2017, 09:09:30 AM
Finished up my re-watch of Daredevil season 2.  Better the second time, and it was good to get the bad taste out of my mouth caused by Iron Fist.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on April 28, 2017, 04:58:17 PM
Saw Guardians 2 tonight. Really liked it, very fun movie.

Drax stole the show in terms of jokes, dude was great.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on April 29, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
I won a contest and I'm seeing it on Monday.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on April 29, 2017, 09:46:01 AM
I saw GOTGv2 in 4dx yesterday. I wasn't completely sold on the whole 4dx thing, but the movie was great!
It doesn't quite reach the level of awesomness that the first movie had, but I'd still place it in the better half of the MCU-movies.
The flow is a bit wonky, but it all comes neatly together in the end.
Drax and Baby Groot stole the show. I also really liked the chemistry between Mantis/Drax, Rocket/Yondu, Nebula/Gamora and Ego/Starlord.
All in all, a really cool movie  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on April 29, 2017, 02:02:16 PM
One of my only negatives with the movie is that I think they milked Baby Groot a bit too much. Just maybe a few too many "look how cute he is!" moments. Otherwise almost everything was great though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on April 29, 2017, 03:49:48 PM
Suffered a bit in the final battle with the standard super powerful villain just throws the heroes around, rather than you know - just destroying them.  But that a side it was a very fun movie - also 5 post credit scenes!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 01, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
Back to Agents of SHIELD:  Still an episode behind, but am starting to lose interest.  So, apparently, if your video game avatar dies in the video game, you die in real life?  Um...this show is rapidly losing credibility and becoming such a disappointment.  Which is a shame, because I have really enjoyed it for quite some time.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 02, 2017, 01:21:07 PM
I still think it's good, and this whole framework story is really fun.

So, apparently, if your video game avatar dies in the video game, you die in real life?  Um...this show is rapidly losing credibility and becoming such a disappointment.

Why is that an issue for you?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2017, 01:35:58 PM
Why is that an issue for you?

It's hard to put into words, but...Well, good fiction, especially when we're talking sci-fi and superheroes, obviously requires you to suspend belief and pretend things are real that you know aren't.  But there are limits to how far you can go without it feeling silly.  And despite those specific areas where we the audience are asked to suspend belief, these stories are set in a world that is supposed to be real.  That's why they work so well, because we can imagine them actually happening IF superpowers were real, and IF it were possible right now to create IA as advanced as ADA.  I just feel that the writers are going too far and asking too much.  They are asking to suspend belief to a point that it just feels fake and silly, which doesn't match the tone of the show. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on May 02, 2017, 01:39:41 PM
But a frozen man chemically enhanced survives in ice for decades to be revived and return to being a superhero is not a bit silly?

That's just one example.  Suspend your disbelieve bosk1!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on May 02, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
Why is that an issue for you?

It's hard to put into words, but...Well, good fiction, especially when we're talking sci-fi and superheroes, obviously requires you to suspend belief and pretend things are real that you know aren't.  But there are limits to how far you can go without it feeling silly.  And despite those specific areas where we the audience are asked to suspend belief, these stories are set in a world that is supposed to be real.  That's why they work so well, because we can imagine them actually happening IF superpowers were real, and IF it were possible right now to create IA as advanced as ADA.  I just feel that the writers are going too far and asking too much.  They are asking to suspend belief to a point that it just feels fake and silly, which doesn't match the tone of the show.

Did you have the same problem with The Matrix? 

Because it's the same principle, with the same results.  Injuries sustained in the Framework (Matrix) are received by the individual's body as they are plugged in
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on May 02, 2017, 01:54:42 PM
What I'm having the hardest time with is, I'm now supposed to believe that deep down Fitz is murderous, amoral, sycophant with violent tendencies, but Ward is all noble, sweet and self-sacrificing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2017, 02:11:15 PM
What I'm having the hardest time with is, I'm now supposed to believe that deep down Fitz is murderous, amoral, sycophant with violent tendencies, but Ward is all noble, sweet and self-sacrificing.

Well Ward is a computer program at this point. He could be whatever.

The point with Fitz was how big of a difference one change in your life can make. It's not so much that he's all of those things, but that he could become those things with different circumstances.

Sadly the show kind of glazed over what those changes are and just went with "Yea, his dad loved him this time" which wasn't quite enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on May 02, 2017, 02:18:40 PM
Well Ward is a computer program at this point. He could be whatever.

Sure, just throw out thoughtful and obvious arguments that should occur to anyone paying the slightest amount of attention and totally expose me for what I am. A loser  :loser:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2017, 02:20:34 PM
Well Ward is a computer program at this point. He could be whatever.

Sure, just throw out thoughtful and obvious arguments that should occur to anyone paying the slightest amount of attention and totally expose me for what I am. A loser  :loser:


Then I can finally stop posting in this thread. Mission accomplished.










Hail Hydra!
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Post by: Podaar on May 02, 2017, 02:29:27 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on May 02, 2017, 03:31:40 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2017, 03:48:30 PM
Honestly I really have been loving this whole season. I love the mini arcs.

I have no issues with the mainframe. The dying part makes perfect sense from a writing perspective, or else there's no consequences and everyone can just do anything. Also, I've seen enough similar plots in scifi that I'm used to it.

I was pretty moved by Patriot's last scenes. I am also glad to have the real May back, even though I loved how LMD May went out.

I dunno, I just really like this show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 03, 2017, 05:39:37 AM
Also, the framework (and Ada) being so ridiculously advanced is because they built it using the darkhold. It hasn't really been talked about as much lately, so I suppose that could be easy to forget. I remember 2 or 3 weeks ago I basically had the same thoughts as bosk, thinking it really weird that Radcliffe could build all this amazing stuff, until I remembered the darkhold.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 03, 2017, 07:51:36 AM
Marvel’s The Defenders | Official Trailer | Netflix [HD] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3m7B4v6Zc&feature=share)

Looking forward to this!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 03, 2017, 08:02:36 AM
Also, the framework (and Ada) being so ridiculously advanced is because they built it using the darkhold. It hasn't really been talked about as much lately, so I suppose that could be easy to forget. I remember 2 or 3 weeks ago I basically had the same thoughts as bosk, thinking it really weird that Radcliffe could build all this amazing stuff, until I remembered the darkhold.
Okay, yeah, that's true.  I had forgotten about that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on May 03, 2017, 08:03:18 AM
Marvel’s The Defenders | Official Trailer | Netflix [HD] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3m7B4v6Zc&feature=share)

Looking forward to this!

Much excite.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on May 03, 2017, 09:39:09 AM
Marvel’s The Defenders | Official Trailer | Netflix [HD] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3m7B4v6Zc&feature=share)

Looking forward to this!

Much excite.
Looks so good and tremendous fun. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 03, 2017, 11:46:06 AM
Not watching the trailer, but I am definetely excited!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on May 03, 2017, 12:27:35 PM
Sooooooooooooooooooooooo stoked for this. Looks awesome
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on May 04, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
Just came back from a screening of GOTG Vol 2! I enjoyed it very much. I think I like the first film better, which is not to say anything bad about this flick. My (minor) complaints is that pacing felt all over the place, and some scenes felt too stretched out. Otherwise, just like the first film, very fun, and the interactions with each character were enjoyable. It did what I wanted it to do, which was expand of Peter's background.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on May 05, 2017, 12:42:42 AM
Also, I enjoyed the Cliffhanger reunion moment very much  :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 05, 2017, 01:12:31 AM
Yea, I justs aw it.


I really liked it. I'm going to be in the minority here, but I liked it more than the first. It had its flaws, but I felt it had less flaws than the first, which I wasn't as big on as everyone else.

Also the Ben Browder cameo was a nice touch. I doubt that counts as spoilers since most people don't care who he is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on May 05, 2017, 09:16:05 AM
I enjoyed it quite a bit, though I probably give a little bit of an edge to the first one. Drax was hilarious though :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 05, 2017, 11:31:46 PM
Saw Guardians 2 tonight.  Enjoyed it overall.  But Marvel is starting to lose me with their insistence on pushing the boundaries farther with every movie in terms of foul language and crass, childish humor.  The jokes that didn't do that were plenty funny.  So aside from all that, it was great.  Pretty fun movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 05, 2017, 11:33:49 PM
Saw Guardians 2 tonight.  Enjoyed it overall.  But Marvel is starting to lose me with their insistence on pushing the boundaries farther with every movie in terms of foul language and crass, childish humor.  The jokes that didn't do that were plenty funny.  So aside from all that, it was great.  Pretty fun movie.

I had a bit of an issue with that stuff too, but for very different reasons.

I just kept thinking, when an alien would say things like douchebag, or a-hole or something.........how the hell are aliens using these very specific earth terms? It's not just that they're speaking english, but using super specific terms just on earth.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on May 07, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Baby Groot was so adorable  :heart
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on May 07, 2017, 10:25:20 AM
So Chris Pratt posted a video on Instagram and so people could watch it at work without getting caught - he put subtitles in the vid.

He also said " Please listen to the video too - don't just read the subtitles ! "

Cue outraged SJW snowflakes getting offended that he " was incredibly insensitive towards hearing impaired people who rely on subtitles "

JFC :facepalm: the words "drop of a hat" spring to mind.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on May 07, 2017, 12:09:21 PM

I'm confused by something though. When Quill's ship violently crashes on that planet and Drax & Gamora are basically hanging on and basically bouncing off trees...

I know Gamora is a daughter of Thanos but Drax ? He was not harmed at all...

Is it just Hollywood heroes are invulnerable or is Drax invulnerable too ? Was it because they all held the infinity stone in the first one ?

I don't remember.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 07, 2017, 12:20:14 PM

I'm confused by something though. When Quill's ship violently crashes on that planet and Drax & Gamora are basically hanging on and basically bouncing off trees...

I know Gamora is a daughter of Thanos but Drax ? He was not harmed at all...

Is it just Hollywood heroes are invulnerable or is Drax invulnerable too ? Was it because they all held the infinity stone in the first one ?

I don't remember.

I can only speak to the comic versions, but yea, Drax and Gamora are pretty close to indestructible. Drax is meant to take on the likes of Thanos, being one of the few who should be able to best him in hand to hand combat.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on May 07, 2017, 12:26:14 PM
I'd love to know if that crash scene was 100% CGI or if a model was used at all.

It looked way better than the saucer crash in Star Trek Beyond.

It actually reminded me of the saucer crash in Star Trek Generations - which was a 6ft saucer model.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 07, 2017, 02:30:35 PM
Also spoilers for GOTG2 below...






















The cameo by the original Guardians was really cool, though I'm pretty sure Marvel has no plans to do anything whatsoever with them. Damn shame because  I was not expecting that at all and it was a really cool surprise.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on May 07, 2017, 02:45:23 PM








Were they the people Stan Lee was talking to ?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 07, 2017, 02:50:44 PM








Were they the people Stan Lee was talking to ?


More spoilers.








No, those were The Watchers. They were also super unexpected and incredible. The original guardians were the dudes Sly was with at the end.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on May 07, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
I know nothing you see. All I know about Marvel is what's presented in these films.


Anyway - the climax of this movie made it feel like the end of a trilogy already. Quite a big finish. I wonder how Vol.3 will *actually* finish...

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 07, 2017, 02:55:19 PM
I know nothing you see. All I know about Marvel is what's presented in these films.

I gotcha, I'm just telling you what happened in those films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on May 07, 2017, 04:12:56 PM
The Stan Lee cameos we're awesome...so much potential for a fun little side story? I'd love to see them tweak that one a bit more.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 07, 2017, 06:01:00 PM
So I've decided that when Iron Man and Star Lord finally meet next year, it should happen when Iron Man shows up and either interferes or saves Star Lard, which prompts the following brief exchange...

Star Lord: Who the hell are you?
Iron Man: -dramatic turn around- I'm Iron Man
Star Lord:..........who?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on May 07, 2017, 07:12:05 PM
So I've decided that when Iron Man and Star Lord finally meet next year, it should happen when Iron Man shows up and either interferes or saves Star Lard, which prompts the following brief exchange...

Star Lord: Who the hell are you?
Iron Man: -dramatic turn around- I'm Iron Man
Star Lord:..........who?

They should just cut to the guy from the first Guardians.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on May 10, 2017, 07:45:13 AM
Absolutely loved the last couple of episodes of Agents of Shield.  At first, the Framework stuff seemed a little lame, but I love that it's a reciprocal thing.  You can die while in the Framework, but once you're out, you also remember everything about your virtual self, and that the virtual selves can be transformed in the real world (Aida).  That has made it really neat to see how each character reacted once they came out..
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2017, 01:36:52 AM
Spoilers for GOTG 2









So I just realized something that might just be "dude, it's just a joke, leave it be" kind of thing but....

So Guardians 2 takes place back in 2014 or so, like 2 months after the first movie. But Stan Lee talks about his cameo in Civil War which didn't happen till a few years after when this movie takes place.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 11, 2017, 02:32:02 AM
Absolutely loved the last couple of episodes of Agents of Shield.

Yeah, aside from Yo-Yo just being plain stupid, the latest episode was really interesting.

That shot with Fitz attempting to hold back his tears as Jemma comes into the room was fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2017, 08:04:01 AM
Spoilers for GOTG 2









So I just realized something that might just be "dude, it's just a joke, leave it be" kind of thing but....

So Guardians 2 takes place back in 2014 or so, like 2 months after the first movie. But Stan Lee talks about his cameo in Civil War which didn't happen till a few years after when this movie takes place.
He traveled back in time to let them know.

OR

It's a plot hole.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on May 11, 2017, 08:05:35 AM
Or the post credit scenes are not set in 2014.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2017, 08:06:21 AM
Or the post credit scenes are not set in 2014.
Boom, there you go.

For sure, not all of them are.  See: Teen Angst Groot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2017, 08:34:46 AM
I'm just going to go with "plot hole."  But even if it is, no big deal.  This far into the MCU, with so many moving parts, and so many hands in the pot, holes and inconsistencies are to be expected.  And it's a complete throwaway scene that adds nothing whatsoever to the story anyway. 

That said, thinking back on the movie, I'm still not sure what to think about it.  I'm somewhat of two minds.  On one hand, it managed to be genuinely funny quite frequently.  Yesterday, my boys and one of their friends were reciting scene after scenes, and cracking up over some of the jokes, and I found myself laughing right along with them.  Then there's the whole theme and subtext of "learning to become a family" and dealing with "family" dysfunctionality, which I thought was actually really cool and well done.  On the other hand, the movie was just stupid.  Frequently.  And it was somewhat of a mess, jumping around from one thing to the next.  And this is true of the effects as well.  At times, they were really, really cool and psychedelic.  At others, they went too far in presented out-there '90s imagery with credible special effects only possible with modern day technology to the point where things just looked silly and unbelievable.  So, at the end of the day, while I enjoyed the film, I'm not really sure what to do with it in my mind.  I'm kind of left feeling along the lines of, "Yeah, that was...cool, but...eh."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2017, 09:40:09 AM
Or the post credit scenes are not set in 2014.


Was that line in the post credits scene or in the actual movie?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Bolsters on May 11, 2017, 09:55:00 AM
If I recall correctly, we saw Stan Lee talking to those aliens during Rocket's multi-jump trip to Ego. The part where they walk away from him as he tried to regale them further was the post-credits scene. So it certainly looks like the conversation was ongoing during the events of the film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2017, 10:02:23 AM
If I recall correctly, we saw Stan Lee talking to those aliens during Rocket's multi-jump trip to Ego. The part where they walk away from him as he tried to regale them further was the post-credits scene. So it certainly looks like the conversation was ongoing during the events of the film.
Correct. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2017, 10:04:05 AM
Well then. Due to this one oversight and this one oversight alone, I now officially despise the movie as well as the entire MCU.




Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on May 11, 2017, 10:09:21 AM
All I want is an entire movie of Yandu wrecking fools with that arrow.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on May 11, 2017, 11:49:03 AM
Well then. Due to this one oversight and this one oversight alone, I now officially despise the movie as well as the entire MCU.

Hey that one guy hated the entirety of The Astonishing because James LaBrie sang the word "time" a bit weird.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2017, 12:38:46 PM
All I want is an entire movie of Yandu wrecking fools with that arrow.
:metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on May 11, 2017, 12:46:49 PM
All I want is an entire movie of Yandu wrecking fools with that arrow.
:metal

That scene with him and Rocket might have been the highlight of the movie for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
Hey, I'm not knocking it.  But even the House of Blue Leaves/Crazy 88 scene in Kill Bill was only one scene in an entire film.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2017, 07:56:18 PM
So Agents has officially been renewed for a 5th season.

Might be in their best interest to go balls out and make this their last season.






Also, given some thought to two of the major complaints about Guardians 2. First, the odd pacing with the gold people. I think if they went away after Ego came and blew them all up, that would have been better. You could still have that post credit scene too and it would have made just as much sense.

Second, the switch in Ego from dad to bad guy. I think his original motivation was actually really cool. His name is Ego. He is a god damn ego. So his idea of making everything a part of him was a neat idea, though it needed to be a bit more developed. However, his thing of killing the mom....that wasn't so good. It didn't ruin anything for me, but it felt unnecessary. And it also makes 2 Marvel movies where the big switch is "I don't care, you killed my mom". Peter could have easily realized that Ego's plan was against everything his mom stood for and still turned against him in a similar fashion.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 12, 2017, 07:44:02 AM
Also, given some thought to two of the major complaints about Guardians 2. First, the odd pacing with the gold people. I think if they went away after Ego came and blew them all up, that would have been better. You could still have that post credit scene too and it would have made just as much sense. 
Wait, you lost me.  If who blew who up?  I'm not sure what you are saying.

Second, the switch in Ego from dad to bad guy. I think his original motivation was actually really cool. His name is Ego. He is a god damn ego. So his idea of making everything a part of him was a neat idea, though it needed to be a bit more developed. However, his thing of killing the mom....that wasn't so good. It didn't ruin anything for me, but it felt unnecessary. And it also makes 2 Marvel movies where the big switch is "I don't care, you killed my mom". Peter could have easily realized that Ego's plan was against everything his mom stood for and still turned against him in a similar fashion.

I wasn't really with you until the last sentence.  That's actually a really good point and would have made it more powerful, IMO.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on May 12, 2017, 10:51:14 AM
Also, given some thought to two of the major complaints about Guardians 2. First, the odd pacing with the gold people. I think if they went away after Ego came and blew them all up, that would have been better. You could still have that post credit scene too and it would have made just as much sense. 
Wait, you lost me.  If who blew who up?  I'm not sure what you are saying.

I think he's saying that if the gold people hadn't popped up again in the movie proper after Ego destroyed all their ships when they were chasing the Guardians.

As far as the stuff with Ego and Peter's mom, for me I think the way it was delivered added something to Ego. It helped flesh out how detached from reality he was, the way he somewhat casually threw it into the conversation. He easily could have kept that information to himself, but he shared it because he didn't see anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 12, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
What AxeBodySpray said.

If the gold dudes had just stopped being in the movie after the first big space fight when Ego came and blew up their fleet and the Guardians crash landed, that would have been better. They weren't necessary for that final battle.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 13, 2017, 03:41:15 PM
Just in case anyone needs more reasons to love Chris Pratt.

Here's a super awesome, friendly, charismatic interview with him.........while he completes a rubik's cube in 3 minutes or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9RdCwptv-8
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Nekov on May 15, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
I have to say I didn't like GOTG 2. I thought most jokes were pretty bad, Drax was a parody of a character and so was Rocket, he was taken to an extreme that ended up being extremely annoying and the conflicts he generated didn't really have any impact on the movie other than being annoying. The whole sister fight was taken to an extreme that didn't make any sense, they really tried to kill each other but in the end they really didn't mean to? That's just stupid.
What I liked about the first one is that they set up this amazing universe with great concepts, wars between different species that somehow represented good and bad, the whole mine in the celestial's head where you had gambling and outlaws, the Ravagers being some kind of bounty hunters, and then this new movie doesn't use any of that. I liked the new Sovereign Race and how they were portrayed, but I feel like they were not really used to their full potential.
I thought the main story was a bit too much with all this we are immortal beings and we can do whatever we want, let's wipe the universe, blah blah blah. I knew they would deep dive into Peter's father story in this one, but that shouldn't have been the main plot and it shouldn't have been as ridiculous as it was.
Overall I was very disappointed, I expected a lot more from this movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on May 16, 2017, 12:08:15 PM
ABC moves Agents of Shield to Friday nights next fall.   :tdwn

At least we're getting the Inhumans tv show as well, but the move to Fridays could likely spell the end of AoS.  Hopefully being paired with Inhumans will keep the show afloat. 
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Post by: Kotowboy on May 16, 2017, 12:30:40 PM
GOTG 2 was great and light years better than anything in the DCU thus far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 17, 2017, 08:35:26 AM
@Adami:  Regarding the anachronism in the Stan Lee cameo, Gunn commented on it:  “I screwed up, I wasn’t thinking…but probably Stan Lee used the guise of a FedEx guy more than one time. It’s a mistake but it can be easily explained away.”

Regarding Agents of SHIELD:  I just watched the episode before the finale.  SO good right up until Yo-yo goes back into the video game, which once again I'm sure is going to have to make us deal with "if you lose a life in the video game, you die for real."  Otherwise, REALLY good.  Cool that Ghost Rider is back, too.  He's not my favorite character, but he has helped make this season cool.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2017, 01:48:30 AM
Yeah, I agree about the Yo-Yo thing. Even in the finale, despite them twisting the events to make her succeed, she still acted like a complete moron to such a degree that I cannot overlook it. Also, the final confrontation with Aida felt a bit abrupt. But other than that I liked it. Radcliffe's end at the beach was pretty cool. Overall I'd say that the latter half of this season has been really interesting.

Curious about that ending, and Coulson's deal with the Ghost Rider.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 19, 2017, 05:54:18 AM
Re-watching Guardians 1. Noticed a small back and forth between Rocket and Gamora when Peter is wondering why Rocket is building a bomb in the middle.

Rocket: What if we need to blow up a moon?
Gamora: We're not blowing up any moons.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 19, 2017, 06:29:27 AM
I'm with Diego on Guardians.  Drax's comedy was WAAAAAYY too forced, and for the most part, I didn't find his constant laughing to be 'in-character'.  Maybe I don't know the comic version of the character enough, but I liked it better when he was dead-pan Drax ("nothing goes over my head.... my reflexes are too fast").

Nebula v Gamora... someone just needed a hug?  Nebula flies across the galaxy, uses the ships cannons to try and blast the shit out of Gamora, and all she wanted was a hug?  :youfail:

I liked the main story, but again... super-all-powerful-entity like Ego (who can control molecules... I think that's the power he talked about in his soliloquy disclosing his master plan) can't polish off the 8 of them at the end?  After he destroyed the entire Sovereign fleet with the snap of his fingers earlier?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, and was entertained.  But in the context of the MCU, this one falls below even Ant-Man.  Probably my lease favorite MCU movie so far.

But as Kotow said (god, am I actually agreeing with him!?!?!?), still better than anything in the DCU (Nolan/Batman excluded).

Also, I marked out hard when the Stan was chit-chatting with the Watchers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 19, 2017, 02:26:56 PM
You said that as if you didn't like Ant Man.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 19, 2017, 02:41:51 PM
Not necessarily, just that if I had to stack rank them, Ant Man is at (or certainly near) the bottom.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Nekov on May 19, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
I was going to propose rankings but then I remembered there are too many movies and I'd probably have to re-watch some of them.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
I was going to propose rankings but then I remembered there are too many movies and I'd probably have to re-watch some of them.

Yes. i enjoyed Ant Man. More than any of the Thor's or Iron man Sequels or Doctor Strange

But my #1 would be Avengers. And Iron Man 2 in dead last.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Kotowboy on May 19, 2017, 04:22:08 PM

But as Kotow said (god, am I actually agreeing with him!?!?!?),

Steady On... :emo:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on May 20, 2017, 02:45:38 AM
This is kinda cool and will definitely get your Spidey senses tingling! Michael Giacchino will be using a full orchestral rendition of the 60's Spider-Man theme in Homecoming. Here's the tweet he sent of them performing it.

https://twitter.com/m_giacchino/status/865664095084662785

At what capacity this will be in the film....main theme....end credits...climax....it hasn't been confirmed. All I know is that it's a more memorable musical theme than anything the MCU has dished out, so they might as well use it as the main theme  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 20, 2017, 03:11:36 AM
Ohh maybe Spiderman's main theme will also be the Star Trek/Dr. Strange theme.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on May 20, 2017, 04:56:44 PM
Ohh maybe Spiderman's main theme will also be the Star Trek/Dr. Strange theme.

Yeahhh..Giacchino had a lot of promise 10-15 years ago, but lately I haven't been a fan of his work. His Rogue One score especially was uninspired. Frankly, his Pixar scores are his masterworks. Up, The Incredibles, and Ratatouille are fantastic pieces of music.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on May 24, 2017, 03:47:34 AM
Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout is opening this weekend! I'm not alowed to talk about it until the attraction opens up to the public this Saturday, so until then, my lips are sealed. However, I can post this. The Collectors Fortress looks great at night

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/E656E0C0-6E6D-4312-873B-934AF640F50F_zpslu05wxlz.jpg)
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Post by: Accelerando on May 28, 2017, 04:01:07 PM
We had a very successful Media Event and Opening Day over at Disney California Adventure for Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout. For those that don't know, it replaced a very popular attraction called The Twilight Zone - The Tower of Terror, which was an accelerated drop ride. You still ride it at Disney's Hollywood Studios in Orlando, which the people that ride drop rides say its the better of the two. Tower of Terror was one of the best themed attractions, so when it was announced it was closing to make way for  a ride based off the Guardians of the Galaxy, a lot of Disney Parks fans were upset. I have to say; although I don't ride dropping rides, people should no longer be upset, because Mission Breakout is awesome!

You enter Taneleer Tivan's, aka The Collector, fortress of articfacts and things he has collected. The first thing you go through is his musuem, which has cases of things that includes Marvel and Disney Parks easter eggs

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/571D71D5-519E-48C3-B2FF-69A5F6E6D1EF_zpsbwmezvvv.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/10518D26-1583-44E9-B2A7-9A6A0D4B5C50_zps777niu13.jpg)

In here is Figment from the Journey Into Imagination attraction at Epcot. Figment has his own line of comic books that Marvel has produced in the past few years.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/8F4760C2-8E33-4CFD-A5A1-2275A477879A_zpsziamb4c1.jpg)

Ultron sentry
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/007E9D46-2440-40EC-BB0F-40931AEDBFFB_zpskwzhawnr.jpg)

This is really freakin cool....a painting of The Collector AND The Gamekeeper, played by Jeff Goldblum
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/5F3D69E0-6C2C-47CC-BFEF-AE7E324F7068_zpsibnx7x30.jpg)

As you walk past his collections, you enter his office, which is the pre-show. There he talks to you about his latest gallery, which happens to Starlord, Gamora, Drax, Baby Groot, and Rocket...but suddenly he gets interrupted by none other than...

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/BE08606E-5648-4C6E-AC81-699584C23806_zpsg5zfnj9l.jpg)

Rocket freakin Raccoon who broke out of his case and tells the guests in the room that he needs our help breaking out the rest of Guardians by using our handprints to enter the Gentry Lifts so that it can lift him up!

From there, there are projections of the Guardians breaking out and fighting giant space aliens as you are dropping over and over. There are 6 different simulations, depending on the song you get at the beginning of the attraction

People are loving it!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on May 30, 2017, 07:57:41 PM
But the Watchers are independent of time and space, right? So if Stan is talking about future events, does that effectively prove that he is a Watcher himself?



(just speculating out of my ass here)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 30, 2017, 08:04:57 PM
But the Watchers are independent of time and space, right? So if Stan is talking about future events, does that effectively prove that he is a Watcher himself?



(just speculating out of my ass here)

Good theory, but jingle.son (and imdb) told me Stan is credited as "Watcher informant".  Also, wasn't the part where Stan references being a FedEx driver was when Rocket/Yondu were 'hopping'?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 30, 2017, 11:05:03 PM
Yea, Stan isn't a watcher. Dude wouldn't look human and need a space suit. Plus he's credited as an informant.


Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 31, 2017, 08:00:43 AM
Plus, since when are the Stan Lee cameos ever meant to be taken seriously?  They're just fun little nuggets.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on June 09, 2017, 07:43:48 PM
Black Panther trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxWvtMOGAhw

Color me intrigued.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on June 09, 2017, 08:03:46 PM
How the hell did this get pushed back to make way for fucking Spider-Man: Homecoming??? This looks 10x better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 09, 2017, 08:52:58 PM
How the hell did this get pushed back to make way for fucking Spider-Man: Homecoming??? This looks 10x better.

I doubt they said "let's put the bad movies later in the year".

Edit: Just saw it....
















.....HOLY CRAP THAT LOOKS AMAZING!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on June 09, 2017, 09:10:28 PM
Another must see.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 09, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
Was that Michael B Jordan with that insane hair? Dude has never looked cooler.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on June 09, 2017, 11:56:53 PM
Seems like playing the Human Torch is an awesome career move
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 09, 2017, 11:59:38 PM
Seems like playing the Human Torch is an awesome career move

Didn't work for this guy.


(https://cdn.moviestillsdb.com/sm/e8f6ec5ae8c53c174403e3c374269c41/the-fantastic-four.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 10, 2017, 05:46:24 AM
lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 10, 2017, 06:44:34 PM
So after watching the BP trailer, I'm pretty hyped for the bad guys. Andy and Michael look like they're going to be bringing something really cool, and when THOSE two are your big bads? Man, I hope this might even help fix Marvel's villain problem. Assuming Michael Keaton and Cate Blanchett don't already do that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on June 11, 2017, 04:57:26 AM
So after watching the BP trailer, I'm pretty hyped for the bad guys. Andy and Michael look like they're going to be bringing something really cool, and when THOSE two are your big bads? Man, I hope this might even help fix Marvel's villain problem. Assuming Michael Keaton and Cate Blanchett don't already do that.

Man, Hela looks unbelievably badass.  I've never been a fan of Blanchett or her look, but she is the reason I'm absolutely jacked for Ragnarök
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on June 28, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
So after watching the BP trailer, I'm pretty hyped for the bad guys. Andy and Michael look like they're going to be bringing something really cool, and when THOSE two are your big bads? Man, I hope this might even help fix Marvel's villain problem. Assuming Michael Keaton and Cate Blanchett don't already do that.

Marvel doesn't have a villain problem.

Anyhow...

Just saw Logan last night, thanks to the Redbox.  I have been hugely disappointed in the X-Men related films since...pretty much forever.  I have never even bothered to see them all, because the last few I saw were pretty unmemorable and didn't really do anything for me. 

That said, Logan was pretty good.  I wouldn't say it was "great," but it's hard to articulate why, since it had so many great elements.  Probably the best thing about it was the character portrayal of Logan, Xavier, and Laura.  Xavier, in particular, was brilliantly played.  I liked Patrick Stewart as an actor before, but he really did an amazing job here.  There's something about an actor playing an older version of a familiar character that so often doesn't come across as completely genuine in film.  None of that applies here.  Stewart just nailed it 100%.  What a job!

I thought Jackman did a good job with Wolverine.  I wouldn't say he was exceptional, but it seems that he has done a pretty consistently good job with the character, and he had a good script to work with here.  He definitely pulled off the role. 

Really impressed with the character of Laura and her arc.  For the first half of the film, she was rightly creepy and impersonal.  And the movie came SO close to making her completely unrelatable.  But I think that really enabled the emotional payoff of her character arc in the film.  So often, child actors aren't able to carry the emotion needed for a film like this.  She did a brilliant job.  The only issue I have is that it really is a dark, unsettling, disturbing film in many ways, which makes me question the ethics of using kids in the first place, and the toll that such a role may take on them.  But that's a different topic, I suppose.

I also really like the gritty, almost Western-y at times, feel of the film overall.  There were also so many settings that it was at times hard to keep one's bearings.  But given that it was a "heroes on the run" type of film, that felt appropriate. 

Anyhow, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.  Part of it was low expectations.  But the other part is just how well done it was. 

Good review here that pretty accurately sums up a lot of my thoughts: https://www.avclub.com/review/wolverine-series-gets-superb-sendoff-brutal-r-rate-251147
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TioJorge on June 28, 2017, 07:51:53 PM
I rewatched it for the third time in the "noir" version, which is essentially just a black and white version, and it was actually cooler than I thought and I cannot for the life of me explain why but the "western vibe" (that is inexplicably there and yet not at all) comes pretty close to why that version works and makes it a little more interesting if you're looking to see it more than once.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2017, 08:07:54 AM
"western vibe" (that is inexplicably there and yet not at all)

:lol  Precisely.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 29, 2017, 11:55:48 PM
So the first official trailer for The Inhumans has dropped

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi5by6U7YKU

I can say for certain that this is.....in fact a trailer. Sadly I don't think it looks very good at all. Both Black Bolt and Medusa seem so terribly miscast, and not even GOT dude can make his character look interesting.

Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be checking out the first two episodes in Imax at this point unless amazing reviews come in.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on June 30, 2017, 05:33:26 AM
So Spider-Man : Homecoming is currently sitting on 93% on Rottentomatoes.   Hooray.  Also Ironman isn't in the movie anywhere near as much as the trailer makes it look.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on June 30, 2017, 06:10:09 AM
So the first official trailer for The Inhumans has dropped

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi5by6U7YKU

I can say for certain that this is.....in fact a trailer. Sadly I don't think it looks very good at all. Both Black Bolt and Medusa seem so terribly miscast, and not even GOT dude can make his character look interesting.

Hope I'm wrong, but I probably won't be checking out the first two episodes in Imax at this point unless amazing reviews come in.

Agreed... my first thought was - wait... THAT'S Black Bolt??  And I'm not even terribly familiar with the Inhumans (though, that's next on my reading list this summer).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2017, 07:25:36 AM
???  What do you find "not very good" about it?  To me, there isn't much to go on to judge it one way or the other.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2017, 09:30:47 AM
???  What do you find "not very good" about it?  To me, there isn't much to go on to judge it one way or the other.

I agree I can't judge the show yet, but the point of a trailer is to look good and make me excited about the show. This trailer did not look very good.

I wouldn't say it looked bad, except for the casting of Black Bolt and Medusa, who may prove me wrong in the actual show.

However, when I say not very good, I meant more that there was nothing that came off as very good. It was just kind of.....there. Didn't look terrible, didn't look good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2017, 09:39:12 AM
...when I say not very good, I meant more that there was nothing that came off as very good. It was just kind of.....there. Didn't look terrible, didn't look good.

Fair enough.  I actually agree with that.  It just seems to have gotten a more negative reaction in general than I think is warranted given how little we actually saw, and especially since, as you say, it isn't that it's "bad"--it just doesn't really go anywhere particularly exciting.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2017, 09:44:45 AM
...when I say not very good, I meant more that there was nothing that came off as very good. It was just kind of.....there. Didn't look terrible, didn't look good.

Fair enough.  I actually agree with that.  It just seems to have gotten a more negative reaction in general than I think is warranted given how little we actually saw, and especially since, as you say, it isn't that it's "bad"--it just doesn't really go anywhere particularly exciting.

Yea, it's an unfortunate situation given the history of the franchise. It was supposed to be a movie, then delayed multiple times, then eventually cancelled as a movie and moved into a TV show. And not just a TV show, but a TV show they seem so confident in, that they're releasing it in IMAX theaters. So unfortunately the show won't be able to shake off this baggage. Plus it has to be compared to other Marvel properties. Whether it's the movies, or the Netflix shows, or even Agents of Shield. Hell, it should even be compared to its DC peers in Flash/Arrow/Super Girl/Legends, and quality wise this looks well below that level.

Like I said, hopefully the show is better, but this was not a very good trailer at doing the job it was supposed to do. I think the casting of Black Bolt, and Medusa is crucial, and as of now, it looks like those didn't do as well as they needed to. Medusa just came off as a bad actress (like I said, might be wrong in the actual show) and Black Bolt looked more weak and confused than strong and powerful, which is how he's supposed to be. They are not the King and Queen just because of royal blood lines, but also because the Inhumans all look up to them with an unbreakable amount of respect. So these characters need to be the kind that demand respect, which they didn't.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on June 30, 2017, 10:02:00 AM
Yea, it's an unfortunate situation given the history of the franchise. It was supposed to be a movie, then delayed multiple times, then eventually cancelled as a movie and moved into a TV show. And not just a TV show, but a TV show they seem so confident in, that they're releasing it in IMAX theaters. So unfortunately the show won't be able to shake off this baggage.

But is that really "baggage?"  It just is what it is.  The show went through some twists and turns to become what it is, and now we have it as...what it is.  Doesn't mean it's necessarily bad or "lesser" because of that history, does it?

Plus it has to be compared to other Marvel properties. Whether it's the movies, or the Netflix shows, or even Agents of Shield. Hell, it should even be compared to its DC peers in Flash/Arrow/Super Girl/Legends, and quality wise this looks well below that level.

Well, now see that's where I go back to:  Too early to tell.  We haven't seen nearly enough for me to draw that conclusion.

Like I said, hopefully the show is better, but this was not a very good trailer at doing the job it was supposed to do. I think the casting of Black Bolt, and Medusa is crucial, and as of now, it looks like those didn't do as well as they needed to. Medusa just came off as a bad actress (like I said, might be wrong in the actual show) and Black Bolt looked more weak and confused than strong and powerful, which is how he's supposed to be. They are not the King and Queen just because of royal blood lines, but also because the Inhumans all look up to them with an unbreakable amount of respect. So these characters need to be the kind that demand respect, which they didn't.

Well, two things:
1.  Again, I go back to "we haven't seen enough to judge."  I don't think we can say anything about the characters yet.
2.  I wouldn't necessarily expect the characters to be the same as what we are familiar with in the comics.  They may very well have had that kind of unshakable respect in the comics.  But we may be dealing with a different situation here, such as potentially a once-great royal line that is now in decline for some reason that is important to the story arc.  Marvel has changed quite a bit about their characters and stories in the TV shows and films that is different from their comic origins.  I wouldn't go in expecting to get the same thing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 30, 2017, 12:26:36 PM
Yea, I get that. Which is why I've said that maybe the show will be better.

However, the purpose of a trailer is to get us excited or interested in the show, and I would say this trailer did not do a good job at that. Does it ruin the show? Nah of course not. But I am not excited for it after that trailer. You bet I'll watch it on TV, but only because of the comics and the overall goodwill that Marvel has built. If this was totally standalone and not based on anything, I would likely have no interest after that trailer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2017, 08:11:31 PM
Got to say I loved Anson Mount in Hell On Wheels.  He's the actor playing Black Bolt.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on July 01, 2017, 03:02:56 PM
Got to say I loved Anson Mount in Hell On Wheels.  He's the actor playing Black Bolt.

He's the reason why i'm remotely interested in this show. He was great in Hell on Wheels. Before Ben Affleck was casted to play Batman for DCEU, I was championing this guy for the role
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2017, 02:03:57 PM
Thinking a bit about Spiderman, since Homecoming hits theaters later this week.  It just crossed my mind that, at least from what we have seen so far, Peter is all about keeping his identity as Spiderman a secret.  Well, duh.  But what is interesting is that that doesn't exactly jibe with stark's position on the Sokovia Accords, and registration and all that.  I mean, really, Peter should be on Cap's side.  I wonder if this will sort of come to a head or at least be addressed in Homecoming.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 03, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
Thinking a bit about Spiderman, since Homecoming hits theaters later this week.  It just crossed my mind that, at least from what we have seen so far, Peter is all about keeping his identity as Spiderman a secret.  Well, duh.  But what is interesting is that that doesn't exactly jibe with stark's position on the Sokovia Accords, and registration and all that.  I mean, really, Peter should be on Cap's side.  I wonder if this will sort of come to a head or at least be addressed in Homecoming.

I wonder if his age, being 15, would excuse him from the accords? I have no idea.

I know in the comics he also sided with Tony (at least for a while) and rectified this problem by unmasking in public.

Or maybe since Tony knows his identity, that the accords would be cool with it? I dunno.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 03, 2017, 02:20:02 PM
Also, just thinking about it, I'm a little concerned by their idea to make each Spiderman movie to be his next year in highschool.

Right now he's what...19? Playing a 15 year old. That could work. But if by Spiderman 3, the actor is like 25 or 26 and playing a 17 year old, it's a bit more of a problem. I hope they age him a bit more in real time so that we don't go back to having a mid-late 20's guy playing a highschool senior, since that was one of the major complaints for Garfield and McGuire.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on July 03, 2017, 11:35:26 PM
Yeah, but we only saw Maguire as a senior for what, 45 minutes of the first film? And how youthful he looked made it believable. Holland might look older in the next films than Maguire or Garfield ever did. That kid has a strong superhero chin if I ever saw one!

What's concerning for me is that I feel like I saw the movie already with the trailers. Going in, I already have an idea what the plot is going to be about, and what Peter's troubles are. A better movie experience for me is knowing a little to nothing at all about the movie. But alas, Spider-Man and X-Men were my Marvel comics I read growing up, so im excited for it in that aspect. I'll be watching the first two Raimi Spidey flicks leading up to Homecoming. I personally consider Spider-Man 2 the best Marvel superhero film ever made.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 04, 2017, 01:27:29 AM
Yeah, but we only saw Maguire as a senior for what, 45 minutes of the first film? And how youthful he looked made it believable. Holland might look older in the next films than Maguire or Garfield ever did. That kid has a strong superhero chin if I ever saw one!

What's concerning for me is that I feel like I saw the movie already with the trailers. Going in, I already have an idea what the plot is going to be about, and what Peter's troubles are. A better movie experience for me is knowing a little to nothing at all about the movie. But alas, Spider-Man and X-Men were my Marvel comics I read growing up, so im excited for it in that aspect. I'll be watching the first two Raimi Spidey flicks leading up to Homecoming. I personally consider Spider-Man 2 the best Marvel superhero film ever made.

I've heard the movie has a lot of stuff that the trailers never hinted at, so hopefully that's good.

But yea, I think that's a major problem with all comic book movies thus far. It's like they're so scared we won't like it that they have to show us the whole movie, when I'm pretty sure no one is actually swayed by it. The people going to see Spiderman, or Guardians 2 or whatever are going to see it even if it's only 2 trailers and nothing else. We don't need 5 trailers and 30 TV spots.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on July 04, 2017, 04:50:48 AM
After watching pretty much everything that was released for Age of Ultron (which had to be at least 20 minutes of the movie), I vowed never to do that again.  Now, all I watch is the official trailers... which there's usually only 2 or 3 of.  I avoid all TV spots, featurettes, character reveals, pre-released scenes etc...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 06, 2017, 08:15:32 PM
RIP Joan Lee. Wife of Stan Lee for 69 years.

Heart breaking. I remember seeing them in a documentary and they seemed so in love.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2017, 12:27:23 AM
Spiderman was some quality shit, very entertaining, very visually well done without being too overbearing. Michael Keaton was a perfect villain.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MetalJunkie on July 07, 2017, 01:31:44 AM
Spiderman was some quality shit, very entertaining, very visually well done without being too overbearing. Michael Keaton was a perfect villain.
Really a great fucking movie. Tom Holland is the perfect Spiderman

[semi-spoilers]
There was one scene where Vulture flew up in the air and dropped Spidey in a lake. There was a brief moment where Vulture flew in front of the moon and spread his wings. It looked remarkably similar to a certain "signal"...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: masterthes on July 07, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Huh, I missed that. Yeah, Keaton makes a great villain. If he didn't play Batman, he could've made a great Two Face because he can do that duality perfectly
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on July 07, 2017, 05:16:03 PM
Top 3 MCU movie in my books. Within the first 15 minutes it was already the best Spidey movie (just ahead of 2).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on July 07, 2017, 05:21:49 PM
Top 3 MCU movie in my books. Within the first 15 minutes it was already the best Spidey movie (just ahead of 2).

Dann that's high praise!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2017, 07:19:46 PM
Huh, I missed that. Yeah, Keaton makes a great villain. If he didn't play Batman, he could've made a great Two Face because he can do that duality perfectly

That would be a perfect casting for him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 07, 2017, 07:22:43 PM
I would say that Spiderman 2 is the better movie, but Homecoming really isn't far behind. I do think, however, that this is by far the best Spiderman casting we've ever gotten.

I actually really dug how they updated Flash Thompson.

And Michael Keaton was great. I think it could have been better, but only because he's Michael Keaton and we know he's capable of so much more, but it was definitely the best MCU villain since Loki. I would also say that Keaton was probably the most intimidating villain in the MCU thus far. In retrospect, I think this might be the first time in the MCU that the hero was actually scared of the bad guy. I honestly can't remember the hero being scared of a villain before.

I don't want to say a lot more since it just came out, but I loved this movie. There was a small thing at the very end that I thought was dumb and pointless, but beyond that it was a really well done movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2017, 10:34:47 PM
Spoiler- The Captain America PSA's were fucking hysterical.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 07, 2017, 10:37:24 PM
Spoiler- The Captain America PSA's were fucking hysterical.

Totally. I honestly don't have a spoiler to add, just wanted to write something in little text. Hi person who reads this!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 07, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
Spoiler- The Captain America PSA's were fucking hysterical.

Totally. I honestly don't have a spoiler to add, just wanted to write something in little text. Hi person who reads this!

Word dude...word...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on July 08, 2017, 04:57:50 AM
Spoiler- The Captain America PSA's were fucking hysterical.

Absolutely.  Especially the LAST one.

In retrospect, I think this might be the first time in the MCU that the hero was actually scared of the bad guy. I honestly can't remember the hero being scared of a villain before.

Great point... but isn't that always the case with Spidey? Or perhaps more importantly, shouldn't it be?  He's just a high-school teenager, going against some fucking insane adults.  In Spidey 1 and 2, he was afraid of Goblin and Doc Oc.  That's where 3 went off the rails and he got all cocky and arrogant.  The last re-boot just didn't demonstrate that at all with Garfield.

I think past villains, (Red Skull, Malekeith, Kaecilius, Yellowjacket ...) the hero was more afraid of the outcome the villain was aiming for, and afraid of failing to stop them - vs being afraid of the villain themselves.  Though, Dr. Strange was shitting bricks when he first had to face Kaecilius and his goons.

Spoiler on this topic ... I didn't pickup that Toomes was going to be Liz's dad until Peter rang the doorbell. From that moment on, is exactly where/when he became afraid - of the whole situation.  I didn't get the sense he was afraid in the first two encounters, but then when he was suit-less, and the fact it was Liz's dad - that's when fear set in.  Holland's acting - without really saying a damned thing - during those scenes was fantastic.  Also... I marked out for the Pepper cameo.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 08, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
Just finishing up S4 of Agents of Shields. Solid finish, really hope Ghost Rider comes back, they did that character serious justice.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 08, 2017, 12:02:05 PM
Just finishing up S4 of Agents of Shields. Solid finish, really hope Ghost Rider comes back, they did that character serious justice.

I feel so bad for that show. I personally love it, and I think 3 and change seasons of it have been great quality. Unfortunately the first part of the first season was so bad that most people ditched it, and I constantly hear people talking about how awful the show currently is before admitting they only saw the first few episodes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on July 08, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
Just finishing up S4 of Agents of Shields. Solid finish, really hope Ghost Rider comes back, they did that character serious justice.

Wicked.  Jingle.son and I still have the 2nd half (10 episodes) on the DVR.  We're going to be clearing those out the week the ladies go on vacation at the end of the month.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on July 08, 2017, 05:03:32 PM
Just saw Spider-Man: Homecoming, and loved it! So much fun.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on July 10, 2017, 01:59:50 AM
I agree with all the Spidey praise.  Really good film, Holland was a great Peter (channeling Micheal J Fox) and also a great Spidey.    Definitely top tier Marvel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on July 10, 2017, 05:46:14 AM
Currently the highest rated MCU movie on IMDb.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on July 11, 2017, 08:31:34 PM
I liked Spider-Man: Homecoming, but I didn't love it. Certainly way better than Spider-Man 3, Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2. I did very much enjoy Keaton, and he's the strongest MCU villain since Loki. The issues I had with Homecoming (minor shortcomings btw) was some writing issues and lack of depth that even the very best MCU movies like Winter Solider and Iron Man have. The fun elements of the movie certainly make up for it.

[semi-spoilers]
There was one scene where Vulture flew up in the air and dropped Spidey in a lake. There was a brief moment where Vulture flew in front of the moon and spread his wings. It looked remarkably similar to a certain "signal"...

I saw it, and the Batman geek in me had a goofy smile on my face  :biggrin:

Top 3 MCU movie in my books. Within the first 15 minutes it was already the best Spidey movie (just ahead of 2).

I gotta respectively disagree. Spider-Man 2 to me is the best Marvel film ever made. Closest to it is X2 and Winter Soldier for me. I revisted Spider-Man 2 a couple times the past few years, and watched it before I went to see Homecoming, and I was reminded of it's greatness. I still haven't seen a Marvel film that has topped the storytelling prowess (Alvin Sargent, baby. Wonderful writer), the character building and motivations, HEART, and the sympathy for a superhero character trying to do the right thing than Spider-Man 2. The film is perfectly paced. Spider-Man 2 toned down the scale of a big budget superhero film for the sake of narrative flow, and showed it was more than ok to do so. Less is more.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 11, 2017, 08:40:51 PM
To be fair, he said top 3 MCU films. Not top 3 Marvel films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on July 11, 2017, 11:50:40 PM
To be fair, he said top 3 MCU films. Not top 3 Marvel films.
He also said "best Spidey movie" which I'm assuming is the part Accelerando was respectfully disagreeing with.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on July 12, 2017, 06:03:52 AM
True... I was mixing and matching.

Now that we're almost a week in, I'm not going to small text my spoilers, so be warned....



















One thing jingle.daughter noticed that I didn't pick up on, how/why is this (and ergo Civil War) taking place in 2020?  Given Marvel/Fiege's attention to detail, this seems odd.  Or, long ass theory as to why the timelines are all fucked up. (https://screenrant.com/spider-man-homecoming-mcu-timeline-plot-hole-2020/4/)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on July 12, 2017, 07:00:17 AM

I gotta respectively disagree. Spider-Man 2 to me is the best Marvel film ever made. Closest to it is X2 and Winter Soldier for me.

That's a real tough one, and will require a re-watch of Homecoming.  But right now I'd say Spider-Man 2 is a probably the better film, but tone wise Homecoming nails it and is therefore probably the better Spider-Man film.

It's insane how good this year has been for superhero movies,  people were predicting the bubble would burst with over saturation.  But Logan, GotG2, Wonder Woman and now Homecoming - that's an absolute quality line-up of movies. 
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Post by: Podaar on July 12, 2017, 09:28:09 AM

It's insane how good this year has been for superhero movies,  people were predicting the bubble would burst with over saturation.  But Logan, GotG2, Wonder Woman and now Homecoming - that's an absolute quality line-up of movies.

I was thinking the same thing while driving home from Homecoming...except I didn't include GotG2. I didn't hate it, but I'd completely forgotten about it.
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 12, 2017, 09:56:28 AM
I went on Saturday night for Spiderman: Homecoming and really enjoyed it. Don't know if I'd quite put it with the absolute top tier MCU movies, but it's right below them. Tom Holland seems just about perfectly cast, and I really enjoyed Michael Keaton's performance as well.





***SPOILER***
One thing I thought was weird was that when Michael Keaton opened the door on Homecoming night people in the theater audibly reacted with sounds of surprise, you'd think they were watching the end of The Usual Suspects for the first time or something. I thought that was pretty clearly where they were going :lol
***END SPOILER***
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Post by: BlackInk on July 13, 2017, 12:13:50 AM
I didn't audibly react but I was definetely surprised. After that moment I could look back and see that they were building towards that all along, but in the very moment he opened the door I imagine felt pretty much like Peter Parker did.
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Post by: jingle.boy on July 13, 2017, 04:35:00 AM
I didn't audibly react but I was definetely surprised. After that moment I could look back and see that they were building towards that all along, but in the very moment he opened the door I imagine felt pretty much like Peter Parker did.

I dawned on me just as Peter was pressing the doorbell that Toomes was going to be Liz's dad.
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Post by: Podaar on July 13, 2017, 06:12:24 AM
I didn't see it coming, I'll admit it. Holland's acting in that moment and through the scene in the house was fantastic. I felt the way his face looked.  :lol
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Post by: King Postwhore on July 13, 2017, 06:28:21 AM
I didn't see it coming, I'll admit it. Holland's acting in that moment and through the scene in the house was fantastic. I felt the way his face looked.  :lol

Me too. What's wrong with us?! :lol
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Post by: Podaar on July 13, 2017, 06:39:25 AM
I didn't see it coming, I'll admit it. Holland's acting in that moment and through the scene in the house was fantastic. I felt the way his face looked.  :lol

Me too. What's wrong with us?! :lol

I don't know about you, King, but I tend to watch movies with an almost physical connection. Especially now that the Cinemas all have luxury loungers and I don't have obnoxious movie goers disrupting me. I find it very easy, while watching, to suspend my disbelief and just ride the movie like a wave. That's what's wrong with me.  :lol

It's after it's all over that my critical mind starts to pick things apart.
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Post by: King Postwhore on July 13, 2017, 06:49:41 AM
We never saw the wife before the door opened to see the mixed race family.  I think I was just so involved in the moment and not trying to put the pieces together.  I do too much of that at work that I don't want to do that with my entertainment.
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Post by: jingle.boy on July 13, 2017, 07:15:23 AM
I don't know about you, King, but I tend to watch movies with an almost physical connection. Especially now that the Cinemas all have luxury loungers and I don't have obnoxious movie goers disrupting me. I find it very easy, while watching, to suspend my disbelief and just ride the movie like a wave. That's what's wrong with me.  :lol

It's after it's all over that my critical mind starts to pick things apart.

Ditto. 

Though, some movies are just so bad it's hard NOT to pick them apart while watching (I'm looking at you, Michael Bay :glare:)
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Post by: axeman90210 on July 13, 2017, 09:56:55 AM
I do see being surprised by it. It idly crossed my mind in the party scene when we saw how nice her house was, but I didn't get a strong feeling about it until the scenes showing him getting ready for the homecoming. I just was surprised at how surprised people in my theater were I guess.
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Post by: Adami on July 15, 2017, 05:16:14 PM
So apparently they released the first teaser trailer for Infinity War at D23 today, and people who saw it went nuts.

No online footage, obviously, but plenty of descriptions you can easily find. Sounds pretty awesome, wish I could see it.
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Post by: pogoowner on July 16, 2017, 02:11:24 PM
Just caught the earlybird showing of Spider-Man: Homecoming today, and I thought it was very good. Glad to see Spider-Man rise back up to that level of quality.
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Post by: Adami on July 18, 2017, 02:05:22 PM
Walton Goggins has joined Ant-Man & The Wasp in a key role.

In a related note, my interest in Ant-Man & The Wasp just went much higher.
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Post by: King Postwhore on July 18, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
Walter Goggins pleases me.
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Post by: Adami on July 18, 2017, 10:29:24 PM
Walter Goggins pleases me.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/77/e7/b9/77e7b9d3f1c90e86bde3f2b47a7591b1--glenn-quagmire-family-tv.jpg)
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Post by: soupytwist on July 19, 2017, 01:45:49 AM
Lists are pointless, but fun.   Here is my list in order of preference of the Marvel Cinematic Universe so far...
In brackets I've included some of the better Non Cinematic Universe films, any film not in the list is in the meh tier (Amazing Spider-Man, X-Men 3, All the F4 films etc, etc)
Great Tier.

1. Winter Soldier.
(Spider-Man 2)
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Civil War.
4. Avengers 1.
(Logan)
5. Spider-Man : Homecoming.
(Deadpool)

Good Tier.

(First Class)
6. Ant-Man.
7. Iron Man
(Spider-Man 1)
8. Iron Man 3
9. Guardians 2.
10. Avengers 2.
(X-Men 2)

Decent Tier.

11. First Avenger.
12. Thor.
13. Doctor Strange.
(X-Men 1)
(Days of Future Past)
(Marvel : Netflix)
14. Incredible Hulk.


Meh Tier.

15. Thor 2
16. Iron Man 2.
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Post by: jingle.boy on July 19, 2017, 04:28:44 AM
Really not sure how the FF reboot can be considered anything other than "Tripe tier".  Thor 2 and IM2 were not worse than the ones you didn't list.
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Post by: ariich on July 19, 2017, 04:32:43 AM
Really not sure how the FF reboot can be considered anything other than "Tripe tier".  Thor 2 and IM2 were not worse than the ones you didn't list.
I think what he was getting at was that he couldn't be bothered listing the non-MCU ones out below a certain quality threshold.

I'll have a go at doing this too, though probably not ranking within tiers as that's too difficult. Also if we're separating out movies within a series (IM 1, 2, 3, etc) then we should separate out the different TV shows (arguably seasons too, though in the case of Agents I don't have strong views on the different seasons).
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Post by: soupytwist on July 19, 2017, 05:01:21 AM
Really not sure how the FF reboot can be considered anything other than "Tripe tier".  Thor 2 and IM2 were not worse than the ones you didn't list.
I think what he was getting at was that he couldn't be bothered listing the non-MCU ones out below a certain quality threshold.


Yeah this.  Everything I didn't list is no better (and more often than not) worse then IM2 and Thor2.
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Post by: ariich on July 19, 2017, 07:19:46 AM
I'm going to have a go at just doing the MCU for now. No Guardians 2 or Spider-Man as I haven't seen those yet.


Top tier:

The Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: Civil War
-----
TV: Daredevil
TV: Jessica Jones


Great tier:

Iron Man
Incredible Hulk
Thor
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
-----
TV: Agents of SHIELD
TV: Agent Carter


Good tier:

Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
-----
TV: Luke Cage
TV: Iron Fist


Decent tier:

Iron Man 2
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Post by: bosk1 on July 19, 2017, 08:41:07 AM
Saw Homecoming last night.  And (other than the usual issues with most/all of the Marvel films), it was fantastic.  I hate to go too far while it still has the "new car smell," but it could very well be the best yet.  It is certainly up there.  SO much fun. 

The front door scene and what followed was fantastic.  I also really liked the Ferris Bueller scene.  And I was actually kinda glad they were a bit hamfisted about it and actually made a nod directly to the movie because I was momentarily unsure if that was what they were actually going for or if it was just a coincidence. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on July 22, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
New Ragnarok Trailer (https://youtu.be/ue80QwXMRHg)

Damn, this looks good
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Post by: Adami on July 22, 2017, 08:49:54 PM
New Ragnarok Trailer (https://youtu.be/ue80QwXMRHg)

Damn, this looks good

I've gone through some stages with this movie.

When they first announced it, it was described as a huge dark epic movie. I was in. Then they said Taika was directing and I was like uhhhhh so now it's a comedy? Then the first teaser came out and I was all "Ohhhh they're going all Kirby on it!" now this shows that he found a really great tone. So I'm pumped!
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Post by: Adami on July 22, 2017, 10:21:49 PM
Also it seems Captain Marvel will be a prequel movie of sorts, set in the 90's and will feature.....THE SKRULLS! I didn't even know Marvel got them back. Wonder who/what else they got back from Fox in the mean time.

Should be pretty cool. Doesn't have to feature a crap ton of Avengers tie ins and can have a new style.
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Post by: jingle.boy on July 23, 2017, 05:11:41 AM
jingle.son told me that Fox has The Super Skrull (who is part of the FF universe??), but Marvel has The Skrulls (as a race).

I dunno, that's what he said, and it sounds plausible.
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Post by: Metro on July 23, 2017, 10:27:43 AM
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on July 30, 2017, 06:34:45 AM
Been a while, but yeah, Spider-Man: Homecoming was fantastic.  Keaton was great, as was Holland.

For me, the most captivating sequence was prom night.  Starting with Toomes opening the door and Peter realizing who he is, to the car ride where Toomes eventually figures out who Peter is.  Just a fantastic sequence of actors doing fantastic work, perhaps the best such example in the entire MCU.  And not one superpower in sight.
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Post by: soupytwist on August 08, 2017, 02:07:32 AM
So Spider-Man : Homecoming's total box office is surprisingly low.  Currently it's under the total The Amazing Spider-Man 2 took and that killed the franchise.  It's really quite odd the reviews have been good, word of mouth seems strong, the hype 'cameo' in Civil War was perfect - but for whatever reason it's not translated into box office gold.  I think a lot of people were expecting this to cross the billion line, and it's struggling to reach 700 million at the minute.

Are we starting to see Superhero fatigue?
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Post by: Cable on August 08, 2017, 02:38:01 AM
I'm personally not too quick to jump to superhero fatigue, as these seem to be the new action blockbusters. I looked at the numbers for the stand-alones, and typically this is where they have sat (sans IM3 & CA:CW) money wise. I also recently heard that in the US, theatre attendance is going down. With attendance down, I also feel there are more big wazoo movies to see these days, vs. when I was younger. All the action films (1980s-1990s) were mostly R-rated films from my recollection, so these comic based films have filled that in and then some IMO. Perhaps just too many to pick from, vs. indifference and not going? I don't have total films on a yearly basis numbers or anything, so just speculating.

There is possibly Spider-man fatigue no doubt Soupytwist. This is the 6th since 2002, so that's about every three years there is one. But then if we go with overall fatigue; factor in the DCU had massive mis-firings until Wonder Women, Fantastic Four bombed, and Apocalypse was a massive MEH.
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Post by: jammindude on August 10, 2017, 07:02:16 PM
Theater fatigue. 

I'm not sure why.   I only know that I've been an avid theater goer for my entire life.  My wife and I LOVE going to the movies.  There are SEVERAL movies we've been dying to see, but just have been too tired to go out.    Work is good, money is good (some unexpected things lately have made things a bit tight, but nothing unusual from times past when we were going to the movies often). 

We had to go on a week vacation just to have time to go see Spider Man.  We loved it.  But the other movie the whole family has been dying to see it the new Planet of the Apes movie.    And we just.....can't find the time.   
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Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 01:58:06 PM
So, apparently, Mark Ruffalo slammed Universal for there not being another Hulk standalone movie:  https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-ruffalo-slams-universal-says-its-the-reason-well-never-see-a-standalone-hulk-movie-again-2017-7

But this got me thinking:  Is there really a high demand for a Hulk standalone movie?  I mean, there is obviously some demand because fans like Hulk.  But his there sufficient demand that justify a film?  I could be wrong, but I don't think there is.  The Edward Norton film that is a part of the current MCU was pretty good and was necessary to set up the Avengers.  But the boxoffice numbers were just "good," not great, as compared to the other films.  Is there anywhere to go in a standalone Hulk film that has the potential to be significantly better than "pretty good?"  I am not really seeing that potential.  There's just nothing compelling that I see the character doing as the lead in a standalone film that would take it beyond "pretty good."  So, to me, that begs the question of, if it isn't likely to significantly surpass "pretty good," and the box office numbers are not likely to significantly surpass "good," is there much incentive for Marvel to do it?  I think the answer is no (unless there was a compelling reason to do so because the overall MCU storyline required it, which I don't see happening).  So I don't think it should come as a surprise that we shouldn't expect a standalone Hulk movie in the near future.

That said, I'm not slamming the character at all.  I think they've done a pretty good job developing the character, and I feel that the stories with him as a supporting character rather than a lead character have benefitted greatly by the inclusion of that character.  I guess what I'm saying is, the Hulk is a great co-lead or supporting character, but not a solo lead character, because there isn't anything compelling enough about his story arc at this state in the MCU to justify another standalone Hulk film. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 11, 2017, 02:09:48 PM
Whether there is market "demand" or not, I'm sure Marvel doesn't (or wouldn't) care.  Was there demand for Dr. Strange, Ant-Man... hell, Iron Man back in 2007?  Yet, they still made those films, and still made them successful.  Were people begging for a Black Panther or Ms Marvel movie when they decided to go with those characters in Phase 3?  Marvel also has now proven with Spidey that they can take a franchise/character that had been shit on, and put out a great movie regardless.  So, I don't think the issue of demand is an issue at all.

I think if Marvel had full rights to The Hulk, I think they'd absolutely make a movie out of him.  There are so many possible stories to adapt.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Yeah, there's something to be said for the fact that they may have made great movies for characters that may not have seemed to be in high demand.  But the difference is, those characters were pretty integral to the overall story they wanted to tell, so those movies made sense.  That is true of the Hulk movie back when it was done.  But another one now?  I'm just not seeing it.  That isn't to say they couldn't do a successful movie.  I'm just saying I don't see any sort of justification.  But, hey, I'm just offering my perspective.  I'm not saying you are wrong.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 11, 2017, 02:20:54 PM
... and the MCU is doing just fine without a standalone Hulk story, so you could be absolutely right as well.  I would disagree about how 'integral' Ant-Man has been to the MCU.  Dr. Strange... we'll see in Phase 3 I suppose.
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Post by: Adami on August 11, 2017, 02:26:42 PM
This is the best position for the MCU. Obviously they'd never make another standalone Hulk movie, but now they can just shift all the blame to Universal. Pretty clever.


The only Hulk story line that was in demand was Planet Hulk. We're getting that (kind of). There's no other demand.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 03:25:17 PM
... and the MCU is doing just fine without a standalone Hulk story, so you could be absolutely right as well.  I would disagree about how 'integral' Ant-Man has been to the MCU.  Dr. Strange... we'll see in Phase 3 I suppose.
Yeah, I mean, there are definitely different levels of important and different reasons for importance.  Ant Man certainly isn't indispensable for the storyline they are doing.  But Hank Pym's relationship to Stark and the world they have been building around the Stark family as the centerpiece of the MCU are pretty important, even if somewhat-tangential.  Add to that the fact that Marvel nerds went nuts over the Ant Man suit at Stark Expo in IM2, and there was, IMO, plenty of justification for adding Ant Man to the MCU. 

Dr. Strange, on the other hand, is pretty indispensable for Infinity Wars.  They need someone with that kind of power who deals with otherworldly realms and all that that entails.  Despite that many (myself included) think of him as a minor Marvel character, he is pretty important for what they are doing.

But I'm not really arguing with you, so please don't take it as that.  I'm just fleshing out what I was saying in light of your comment.

The only Hulk story line that was in demand was Planet Hulk. We're getting that (kind of). There's no other demand.

Yeah, there's that.  But in my opinion, I don't think it would have worked well with Hulk as just its own story with Hulk as the lead.  I think, again, he's better when part of an ensemble, so doing Planet Hulk as a buddy movie within Ragnarok seems like a smarter way to have gone.
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Post by: Adami on August 11, 2017, 03:29:19 PM
Totally agree about Planet Hulk. It was an amazing comic story, but I don't think (as is) woudl have translated terribly well to the big screen.




Also.........Ant-Man suit at the Stark Expo? Are there pics? How did I miss this?
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Post by: bosk1 on August 11, 2017, 03:48:23 PM
Also.........Ant-Man suit at the Stark Expo? Are there pics? How did I miss this?

I remembered that theory being all over the Internet after IM2 was out, so I was surprised that YOU were surprised.  But just went back and looked it up, and now I remember that it was confirmed not too long after that upon taking a closer look that it was actually a human torch prototype suit, not Ant Man:  "The original Human Torch's costume was also briefly teased at the expo, encased in a glass tube as a nod to the comics."  Sorry.
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Post by: Adami on August 11, 2017, 03:55:34 PM
Yea. I remember Human Torch in Captain America. I was thrown off by Ant Man in IM 2.

I would also love a random movie about Cap, Bucky, human torch, toro, and Namor fighting in WWII.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 11, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
@ Bosk... didn't take it as an argument whatsoever.  And I agree 100%, Dr. Strange is going to be pretty important in the scheme of Infiinity Wars.

I do think could be stories that would translate on the big screen vis-a-vis Hulk... Adapting some story of World War Hulk (they were able to adapt Civil War), or Red/Grey Hulk story lines perhaps?  I'm not terrible versed in Hulk storylines, but I know WW Hulk(s) were a couple of biggies.

Alas... never gonna happen.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 15, 2017, 02:09:02 PM
I can't believe I didn't pick up on this until now:  https://screenrant.com/thor-ragnarok-taika-waititi-flash-gordon-inspiration/  From the trailers alone, some of the shots are clearly directly inspired by Flash Gordon. 
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Post by: bosk1 on August 17, 2017, 09:39:30 AM
Japanese Ragnarok trailer has some cool Doctor Strange in it.  It may very well be a continuation of the conversation in the Doctor Strange post-credits scene.
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Post by: Adami on August 17, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
Japanese Ragnarok trailer has some cool Doctor Strange in it.  It may very well be a continuation of the conversation in the Doctor Strange post-credits scene.

Yea, I know that stuff is probably pretty early on in the movie.

Looks good though! Just hope they don't overdo it with the jokes. As Honest Trailers recently said, we've been with Marvel for about 10 years now. We can go a few minutes without a chuckle.


Also the guy doing the Inhumans show recently confessed that Marvel hired him to make the show very fast and very cheap. So that explains a lot.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 17, 2017, 11:54:46 AM
I don't think that is a realistic expectation for this particular film.
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Post by: Adami on August 17, 2017, 11:57:24 AM
I don't think that is a realistic expectation for this particular film.

Probably. Luckily it never really distracts me in the moment. I always enjoy the super jokey ones. They just aren't the ones that stay with me over time.

Luckily I doubt Black Panther or Infinity War will be too joke heavy.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on August 18, 2017, 11:39:23 PM
so, who's watched Defenders, and what are your thoughts?  I really enjoyed it, although i wouldn't have minded if they made it a longer season like the other shows instead of the shorter 8 episodes.  It's nice having things compact and not drawn out too much, but it almost starts to feel rushed considering how much buildup to this season there's been with four other shows.
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Post by: ariich on August 19, 2017, 03:14:18 AM
Three episodes in and it's really good so far. First two were good exposition - bit of a slowish start but I'm fine with that. Third episode was absolutely excellent.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 19, 2017, 04:54:42 AM
jingle.son and I are going to start watching today.
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Post by: aurorablind on August 19, 2017, 01:20:35 PM
Plowed through the entire season in one day  :lol
I really liked it! I'd rank it as the third best Marvel Netflix-show, after Daredevil season 1 and Jessica Jones.
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Post by: lonestar on August 19, 2017, 10:49:18 PM
Aaaaand let's go.... should be through it by Tuesday...
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 20, 2017, 06:35:55 AM
Watched the first 2 with jingle.son.  Thought they were fantastic, great way to lay the foundation of bringing the four of them together.
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Post by: BlackInk on August 20, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
Finished The Defenders today. Great show, and so rewarding to them all together.
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Post by: Adami on August 20, 2017, 10:41:19 AM
Finished it yesterday.

Slow start, I would have edited the first two episodes a bit differently. Instead of giving each character like 25% of each episode, I'd make the first episode about two of them, and the second episode about the other two.

Few minor complaints about Iron Fist, but that isn't too shocking.

Beyond that, I really loved it. The only Marvel Netflix show I immediately want to re-watch.
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Post by: ariich on August 20, 2017, 12:42:32 PM
Finished it this afternoon, loved it. On a par with Daredevil IMO and just a smidge below Jessica Jones.

One thing I really, really enjoyed was that while the general tone was still dark like the other shows, there was more in the way of light moments and humour thanks to the interactions between the four of them. They managed to get a great balance.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 20, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
Finished it this afternoon, loved it. On a par with Daredevil IMO and just a smidge below Jessica Jones.

One thing I really, really enjoyed was that while the general tone was still dark like the other shows, there was more in the way of light moments and humour thanks to the interactions between the four of them. They managed to get a great balance.

That's shrimp... he's got the pork.   :lol

1/2 way thru - we're gonna tackle 2 episodes/day, and be done with it by Tuesday.  Digging it so far.
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Post by: Adami on August 20, 2017, 08:16:39 PM
Finished it this afternoon, loved it. On a par with Daredevil IMO and just a smidge below Jessica Jones.

One thing I really, really enjoyed was that while the general tone was still dark like the other shows, there was more in the way of light moments and humour thanks to the interactions between the four of them. They managed to get a great balance.

And none of the humor was forced or out of place, it was all naturally from character interactions.
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Post by: Podaar on August 21, 2017, 07:09:59 AM
I give it  :tup  :tup

"You look ridiculous."
"It's your scarf..."
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Post by: ariich on August 21, 2017, 07:25:32 AM
I think it was in the trailer, but I loved:

"Nice ears"
"They're horns"
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Post by: Podaar on August 21, 2017, 08:04:06 AM
Jessica is my favorite of the heroes.

I thought the Defenders was masterfully done. Each person's arch was carried slightly further so their actions all felt like natural extensions of the individual series yet were still appropriate for the "team up." If that make sense.

*Spoilers"

I thought the ending implies that Danny will take the mantle of Dare Devil (which is filming even as we speak) to continue Mathews fight for protecting New York. Did anyone else get the same impression?
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Post by: Adami on August 21, 2017, 10:10:36 AM
Jessica is my favorite of the heroes.

I thought the Defenders was masterfully done. Each person's arch was carried slightly further so their actions all felt like natural extensions of the individual series yet were still appropriate for the "team up." If that make sense.

*Spoilers"

I thought the ending implies that Danny will take the mantle of Dare Devil (which is filming even as we speak) to continue Mathews fight for protecting New York. Did anyone else get the same impression?


I got that impression at first, but seeing him on the roof alone and Finn Jones saying he hopes to see Iron Fist in his own costume soon kind of rules that out. Plus, given the response to Iron Fist and Finn Jones, specifically, making him Daredevil would completely kill their reviews for season 3, unless he's Daredevil for like 10 minutes.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 21, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Hey guys!

I am 3 episodes into The Defenders, really enjoying it so far.
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Post by: Adami on August 21, 2017, 10:20:32 AM
Hey guys!

I am 3 episodes into The Defenders, really enjoying it so far.

SPOILERS FOR YOU



...it gets even better.
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Post by: ariich on August 21, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
Jessica is my favorite of the heroes.

I thought the Defenders was masterfully done. Each person's arch was carried slightly further so their actions all felt like natural extensions of the individual series yet were still appropriate for the "team up." If that make sense.

*Spoilers"

I thought the ending implies that Danny will take the mantle of Dare Devil (which is filming even as we speak) to continue Mathews fight for protecting New York. Did anyone else get the same impression?


I got that impression at first, but seeing him on the roof alone and Finn Jones saying he hopes to see Iron Fist in his own costume soon kind of rules that out. Plus, given the response to Iron Fist and Finn Jones, specifically, making him Daredevil would completely kill their reviews for season 3, unless he's Daredevil for like 10 minutes.
Unless you mean on a very temporary basis (like, an episode) then I definitely do not see that happening at all, and I don't think it's at all implied.
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Post by: Adami on August 21, 2017, 11:06:31 AM
Jessica is my favorite of the heroes.

I thought the Defenders was masterfully done. Each person's arch was carried slightly further so their actions all felt like natural extensions of the individual series yet were still appropriate for the "team up." If that make sense.

*Spoilers"

I thought the ending implies that Danny will take the mantle of Dare Devil (which is filming even as we speak) to continue Mathews fight for protecting New York. Did anyone else get the same impression?


I got that impression at first, but seeing him on the roof alone and Finn Jones saying he hopes to see Iron Fist in his own costume soon kind of rules that out. Plus, given the response to Iron Fist and Finn Jones, specifically, making him Daredevil would completely kill their reviews for season 3, unless he's Daredevil for like 10 minutes.
Unless you mean on a very temporary basis (like, an episode) then I definitely do not see that happening at all, and I don't think it's at all implied.

Even though I don't like the idea, because of Finn Jones, it has happened in the comics.
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Post by: lonestar on August 21, 2017, 05:06:27 PM
Just finished it, outfuckingstanding. And loved the Punisher trailer at the end, holy shit does that look killer.



I'll add more when peeps have finished.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 22, 2017, 05:45:00 AM
Two more to go.  Will finish tonight.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 22, 2017, 02:59:51 PM
At first I was disappointed it was only 8 episodes.  Although I thought the final episode felt a little bit rushed, I'm not sure how they would've drawn it out to 12/13 episodes - and I'm glad they didn't.  Luke Cage certainly didn't need to go on that long.

"I'm not hugging you".   :lol

And is Danny Rand the dumbest person on the face of the planet, or what?  I mean, ffs, he gave them exactly what they wanted.  Show some goddamn restraint already.  He's fooled about as easily as my dog when I say "cookie?".  I had a few Powerman/Iron Fist comics as a kid, and I don't remember him being such a moron.

Overall, excellent.  The final episode had some minor annoyances, but I'll get over them.

SOOOOOOOO looking forward to Frank Castle's return.
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Post by: Podaar on August 22, 2017, 04:57:22 PM
And is Danny Rand the dumbest person on the face of the planet, or what? 

No. Not by a long shot. Let's look at Game of Thrones, for instance. Here is a short list of people dumber than Danny Rand.

EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON!
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Post by: Accelerando on August 23, 2017, 12:09:08 AM
I haven't had a chance to watch Defenders yet! I've been rigorously working on a tv show at Warner Bros the past month (I'm not allowed to say what it is), and I haven't had a lot of personal time, and that time that I do have off goes to spending time with my girlfriend, so I have lots of catching up to do with my tv and film watching, sans Game of Thrones. I always make time after a 14 hr day on set for GOT. But it sounds like from what everyone is saying is that Iron Fist disappoints once again. Do you think it's how the character has been written or do think the actor isn't bringing it to the table, or both.
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Post by: Adami on August 23, 2017, 12:20:09 AM
I haven't had a chance to watch Defenders yet! I've been rigorously working on a tv show at Warner Bros the past month (I'm not allowed to say what it is), and I haven't had a lot of personal time, and that time that I do have off goes to spending time with my girlfriend, so I have lots of catching up to do with my tv and film watching, sans Game of Thrones. I always make time after a 14 hr day on set for GOT. But it sounds like from what everyone is saying is that Iron Fist disappoints once again. Do you think it's how the character has been written or do think the actor isn't bringing it to the table, or both.

Iron Fist gets a lot better in the 2nd half (of the Defenders) and really isn't atrocious in the rest. His general arc is poor in this show, and his acting isn't great, but he was way worse in his own show. He's the weakest part of this one for sure, but isn't the abomination people are claiming.
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Post by: ariich on August 23, 2017, 02:21:27 AM
I haven't had a chance to watch Defenders yet! I've been rigorously working on a tv show at Warner Bros the past month (I'm not allowed to say what it is), and I haven't had a lot of personal time, and that time that I do have off goes to spending time with my girlfriend, so I have lots of catching up to do with my tv and film watching, sans Game of Thrones. I always make time after a 14 hr day on set for GOT. But it sounds like from what everyone is saying is that Iron Fist disappoints once again. Do you think it's how the character has been written or do think the actor isn't bringing it to the table, or both.
He's fine in The Defenders, people are just being a bit silly.
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Post by: Zook on August 23, 2017, 03:13:57 AM
Holy crap, Finn Jones is British too!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on August 23, 2017, 04:18:28 AM
I haven't had a chance to watch Defenders yet! I've been rigorously working on a tv show at Warner Bros the past month (I'm not allowed to say what it is), and I haven't had a lot of personal time, and that time that I do have off goes to spending time with my girlfriend, so I have lots of catching up to do with my tv and film watching, sans Game of Thrones. I always make time after a 14 hr day on set for GOT. But it sounds like from what everyone is saying is that Iron Fist disappoints once again. Do you think it's how the character has been written or do think the actor isn't bringing it to the table, or both.
He's fine in The Defenders, people are just being a bit silly.

For the most part, I agree.  But in the final episode... c'mon.  How can you be that fucking stupid?  A seven year old could see what she was planning/trying to do with him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on August 23, 2017, 05:13:24 AM
I haven't had a chance to watch Defenders yet! I've been rigorously working on a tv show at Warner Bros the past month (I'm not allowed to say what it is), and I haven't had a lot of personal time, and that time that I do have off goes to spending time with my girlfriend, so I have lots of catching up to do with my tv and film watching, sans Game of Thrones. I always make time after a 14 hr day on set for GOT. But it sounds like from what everyone is saying is that Iron Fist disappoints once again. Do you think it's how the character has been written or do think the actor isn't bringing it to the table, or both.
He's fine in The Defenders, people are just being a bit silly.

For the most part, I agree.  But in the final episode... c'mon.  How can you be that fucking stupid?  A seven year old could see what she was planning/trying to do with him.
Sure, but he's still developing. His early upbringing was a privileged rich kid, and then from age 11 or whatever it was all Iron Fist training in the middle of nowhere. He hasn't had any normal adulthood, or life generally really. He was crap at interpersonal relationships as they haven't really featured in his life, and he doesn't have much clue about strategy or tactics. He's obsessive and one-tracked and, yeah, kinda annoying and a bit useless. On the relationships side, that's starting to change as he interacts with people and sees things from a different perspective (some great moments with Luke Cage). He's also listening to people more, but still rushes in and makes stupid mistakes. All consistent with the origin story they're telling.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 23, 2017, 05:47:06 AM
^ Good points.  I get the interpersonal relationship side of things, but you'd think that the monks of Kun Lun would be able to teach him some intellect and/or common sense.  When The Hand makes it explicitly clear they need THE IRON FIST, you don't start fighting with your IRON FIST, and throw a punch right in front of the fucking door!
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Post by: ariich on August 23, 2017, 07:12:04 AM
^ Good points.  I get the interpersonal relationship side of things, but you'd think that the monks of Kun Lun would be able to teach him some intellect and/or common sense.  When The Hand makes it explicitly clear they need THE IRON FIST, you don't start fighting with your IRON FIST, and throw a punch right in front of the fucking door!
A couple of thoughts:

1. I agree it's not unreasonable to expect that, but the impression that has been given is that his training was on how to fight, how to get his chi in balance, etc. I don't recall anything even hinting at him learning about tactics, strategy, how to read your enemy (though am happy to be corrected). I say this having never read the comics, so am going only on what's been presented in the Netflix shows. Possibly a failing on the part of the elders at K'un Lun to have not actually prepared him properly, meaning he has to learn this all for himself.

2. In that particular scene you refer to in small font, I'm not sure he was thinking rationally. Because of his background, he's obsessive and a bit selfish and was reacting emotionally, like he does to most things.
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Post by: jingle.boy on August 23, 2017, 07:24:14 AM
That's true... both shows portrayed him as immensely immature and impulsive at times.  IMO, that step in the story defied all logic - necessary to continue to playout the storyline, but had me :getoffmylawn: at his stupidity.  I think he'd even said earlier in the episode that he wasn't going to do the exact thing he did, but then he was easily goaded into it.
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Post by: Grappler on August 23, 2017, 08:10:11 AM
Rented Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 last night.  Those movies are so much fun.  Great humor, great characters and an interesting story.  It's going to be so much fun to watch them interact with the Avengers next year. 
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Post by: BlackInk on August 23, 2017, 01:07:01 PM
I didn't have a problem with Iron Fist in the Defenders.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 25, 2017, 12:34:25 AM
I haven't had a chance to watch Defenders yet! I've been rigorously working on a tv show at Warner Bros the past month (I'm not allowed to say what it is), and I haven't had a lot of personal time, and that time that I do have off goes to spending time with my girlfriend, so I have lots of catching up to do with my tv and film watching, sans Game of Thrones. I always make time after a 14 hr day on set for GOT. But it sounds like from what everyone is saying is that Iron Fist disappoints once again. Do you think it's how the character has been written or do think the actor isn't bringing it to the table, or both.
He's fine in The Defenders, people are just being a bit silly.

For the most part, I agree.  But in the final episode... c'mon.  How can you be that fucking stupid?  A seven year old could see what she was planning/trying to do with him.
Sure, but he's still developing. His early upbringing was a privileged rich kid, and then from age 11 or whatever it was all Iron Fist training in the middle of nowhere. He hasn't had any normal adulthood, or life generally really. He was crap at interpersonal relationships as they haven't really featured in his life, and he doesn't have much clue about strategy or tactics. He's obsessive and one-tracked and, yeah, kinda annoying and a bit useless. On the relationships side, that's starting to change as he interacts with people and sees things from a different perspective (some great moments with Luke Cage). He's also listening to people more, but still rushes in and makes stupid mistakes. All consistent with the origin story they're telling.
I get what you are saying, but he's still annoying as fuck. They need to allow for massive growth in this character before season 2.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 06, 2017, 03:24:55 PM
2 months until Thor.  Yay!  :D
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Post by: Adami on September 06, 2017, 09:50:59 PM
2 months until Thor.  Yay!  :D

HELL YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Also Ihumans reviews for the first 2 episodes in IMAX are coming out by people who love even the worst comic book movies. They say it's the worst comic book related thing they've seen.

Poor Inhumans. They deserve better.
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Post by: BlackInk on September 06, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
Yeah, once I heard that Marvel's goal was just make it "fast and cheap", I lost faith in that project.
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Post by: Adami on September 06, 2017, 09:59:55 PM
Yeah, once I heard that Marvel's goal was just make it "fast and cheap", I lost faith in that project.

I wonder why they made it though. If they didn't have the budget or time needed.....why do it? No one was going nuts for an Inhumans show. I think if they scrapped the project, the  audience would have said "Oh. Okay, luckily there are 40 other comic book shows to watch."

Don't get me wrong, I love inhumans from the comics. The notion of equality through diversity is really interesting. The idea of terrigenesis as a rite of passage for all inhumans and the expectations for the aftermath is fascinating. The characters are weird, unique, colorful, all over the place. It's great. But this show looks like it took absolutely none of those things.

It'd be like an X-Men show or movie where the entire world accepts and loves mutants.
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Post by: King Postwhore on September 06, 2017, 10:08:20 PM
I loved Anson Mount on Hell on Wheels AnIwan Rheond in Game Of Thrones so it had promise. Sigh.
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Post by: lonestar on September 07, 2017, 05:04:09 PM
Hmm, guess I'll hold off dropping IMAX money on it then. I've been re-watching all the non Iron Fist Netflix series, and they are outstanding the second time through, especially JJ and LC. It's amazing how good these are when they're developed around three dimensional, well written characters.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 08, 2017, 12:34:20 PM
Question:  How do you guys feel about Marvel kind of messing up and breaking the MCU time continuity through what appear to just be mistakes?  For those not familiar with the issue, it seemed like the timeline was consistent and we could place the events of all the films in a fairly clear timeline up until recently.  Unfortunately, Doctor Strange had some inconsistencies in it that threw things off a bit.  Then Spiderman: Homecoming threw things off even more.  There is rumor that Thor: Ragnorok similarly throws things off.  I would link to an article that explains it more fully, but there are tons out there, and they are all a bit different in terms of what is supposedly wrong and how, and I'm not sure which one is the most correct.

In any case, the timeline has inconsistencies.  I haven't tried to iron out the details myself, but it seems like there are just small things that contradict that have to be ignored and cannot be reconciled. 

So, what do people think of that?  Some apparently are up in arms and feel is a significant quality control issue that taints the entire franchise.  For me, it is minor in the overall scope of things.  If the movies themselves are good, and together tell a fairly cohesive story of this massive universe Marvel has created, it's okay with me if there are minor continuity problems.  Honestly, I probably wouldn't have even noticed the continuity issues if they hadn't been pointed out.  They just don't rise to a significant level for me.  Anyone disagree?  Just curious.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 08, 2017, 01:48:25 PM
The Spider-Man one just seemed sloppy ... "8 Years later" simply needed to be "4 years later".  Unless there is indeed a specific reason that explains it (presumably with the Time Stone during Infinity Wars), I'm just going to chalk it up to sloppiness.  The ones from Doctor Strange were actually much more confounding, because some of them contradicted one another - some suggesting it takes place in 2016/2017 and between Ultron/Civil War; while other things suggest it takes place much later.

And considering how "un"-sloppy most of the MCU has been, I'm going to say this is all planned, and will be fleshed out during Infinity Wars.

Of course, they could jus retcon the conflicting timelines - and say... push the events of Civil War to be 2019.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 08, 2017, 02:26:21 PM
The Spider-Man one just seemed sloppy ... "8 Years later" simply needed to be "4 years later".  Unless there is indeed a specific reason that explains it (presumably with the Time Stone during Infinity Wars), I'm just going to chalk it up to sloppiness.
Not sure if it's true, but I read somewhere that it was so that they could retcon the kid at Stark expo being a young Peter Parker.  4 years wouldn't have worked for that angle.

And considering how "un"-sloppy most of the MCU has been, I'm going to say this is all planned, and will be fleshed out during Infinity Wars.

I don't think so.  Feige pretty much admitted that after phase I, they have just been more loose with the timeline.  Unless that is intentional misdirection, I take him at his word.  So, I think they ARE being pretty careful about making sure the important details further the agenda.  But in terms of a strict chronology, I think it's just too much to try to keep on top of, so things are slipping through the cracks.

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Post by: Adami on September 08, 2017, 03:55:51 PM
The Spider-Man thing is just silly. They had no reason or need to retcon Peter as that kid in Iron Man II. Beyond that, it may have very well just been a mistake.

The Doctor Strange thing is just poor writing. The beginning of the movie cements it taking place no earlier than 2016. ALL they really had to do was change that beginning date to like 2012 and the made sure we know that it takes place over several years. That's all.


No one's perfect. They're all quality movies (mostly), so a few screw ups here and there I can let go.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 08, 2017, 04:17:32 PM
The Doctor Strange thing is just poor writing. The beginning of the movie cements it taking place no earlier than 2016. 

Well, maybe.  The appearance of Avengers Tower would seem to put it during the time as the events in Age of Ultron.  But then we have Pangborn saying his accident happened years before, and the date of his x-ray being December 2014. 
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Post by: Adami on September 08, 2017, 08:46:17 PM
The Doctor Strange thing is just poor writing. The beginning of the movie cements it taking place no earlier than 2016. 

Well, maybe.  The appearance of Avengers Tower would seem to put it during the time as the events in Age of Ultron.  But then we have Pangborn saying his accident happened years before, and the date of his x-ray being December 2014.

Huh? Really? I remember seeing some kind of award he had before the accident that was dated 2016.
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Post by: jammindude on September 08, 2017, 11:08:44 PM
Binged watched Jessica Jones and loved every bit of it.

Watching Luke Cage episode one right now..........why does this feel like a blaxpoitation flick?
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Post by: jammindude on September 09, 2017, 12:04:52 AM
UPDATE:  Episode 2 was better.
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Post by: Adami on September 09, 2017, 12:20:51 AM
UPDATE:  Episode 2 was better.


It's an amazing show until the last 3 or whatever episodes. It's not really Iron Fist level then, but it's pretty meh.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 09, 2017, 05:46:01 AM
UPDATE:  Episode 2 was better.


It's an amazing show until the last 3 or whatever episodes. It's not really Iron Fist level then, but it's pretty meh.

Yeah ... as soon as Diamondback shows up, it goes downhill from there.  When the villain focus was with Mariah and Shades, it was awesome.
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Post by: jammindude on September 09, 2017, 10:12:06 AM
Ya.  I'm not liking it as much as JJ, but it is getting a little better.   With the first episode, I literally thought I was watching a joke.  I hadn't seen stereotypes that over the top since Blackula. 

I kept picturing a regal, rich, milquetoast white director telling "Cottonmouth".....  "That was reeeaalllly good.   Could we do that take one more time?  And maybe this time, could you be a little moorrree........black?"
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Post by: lonestar on September 09, 2017, 06:05:00 PM
I enjoyed Luke Cage, but I just didn't think it's villain(s) was on par with either Kingpin or Killgrave, they were just fucking outstanding.
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Post by: Adami on September 09, 2017, 06:13:45 PM
I enjoyed Luke Cage, but I just didn't think it's villain(s) was on par with either Kingpin or Killgrave, they were just fucking outstanding.

Yea, Kilgrave and Kingpin really brought villains to a whole new level. I'd put Cottonmouth close, but not quite there. Diamondback was more on par with something from Batman Forever.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 10, 2017, 04:38:14 AM
I enjoyed Luke Cage, but I just didn't think it's villain(s) was on par with either Kingpin or Killgrave, they were just fucking outstanding.

Yea, Kilgrave and Kingpin really brought villains to a whole new level. I'd put Cottonmouth close, but not quite there. Diamondback was more on par with something from Batman Forever.

This exactly.  Kilgrave and Kingpin as 1a and 1b; Shades as #2.
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Post by: Adami on September 10, 2017, 09:58:38 AM
I enjoyed Luke Cage, but I just didn't think it's villain(s) was on par with either Kingpin or Killgrave, they were just fucking outstanding.

Yea, Kilgrave and Kingpin really brought villains to a whole new level. I'd put Cottonmouth close, but not quite there. Diamondback was more on par with something from Batman Forever.

This exactly.  Kilgrave and Kingpin as 1a and 1b; Shades as #2.

Id put Cottonmouth above Shades.
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Post by: lonestar on September 10, 2017, 10:24:23 AM
On the other hand, the soundtrack from Luke Cage was off the frikkin hook.
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Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2017, 12:27:03 PM
IDK.   I mean, I do like the Luke Cage story.   But man....any one of you guys ever see the movie Hollywood Shuffle?  Produced, directed and co-written by Robert Townsend, it was a satirical poke at the types of roles that black actors get in Hollywood.  This whole series just has that same kinda "feel" to it.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXvTyk9kPsQ

The punchline is at 2:45....
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Post by: ZirconBlue on September 10, 2017, 02:55:09 PM
Ya.  I'm not liking it as much as JJ, but it is getting a little better.   With the first episode, I literally thought I was watching a joke.  I hadn't seen stereotypes that over the top since Blackula. 

I kept picturing a regal, rich, milquetoast white director telling "Cottonmouth".....  "That was reeeaalllly good.   Could we do that take one more time?  And maybe this time, could you be a little moorrree........black?"


Well, the showrunner is black, and I haven't heard this criticism coming from anyone else, so I'm thinking maybe you're reading a little too much into things. 
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Post by: Adami on September 10, 2017, 02:59:48 PM
Luke Cage was born in an era of all of those films you mention and was kind a response to it all. So yes, the show is going to have some that vibe as an homage to his origins.
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Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2017, 04:23:50 PM
Luke Cage was born in an era of all of those films you mention and was kind a response to it all. So yes, the show is going to have some that vibe as an homage to his origins.

THIS makes more sense.  If it's an intentional homage to the blaxploitation genre, then that's slightly different.
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Post by: ariich on September 11, 2017, 04:01:32 AM
I really liked Luke Cage for the first two-thirds, and then it was pretty silly for the last few episodes which was such a shame.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 13, 2017, 09:53:42 AM
I never saw it.  I've been selective in my Marvel tv show viewing, simply as a factor of time, and am now behind.  I watched Daredevil, season 1 and enjoyed it.  Started season 2 awhile back and didn't finish.  Not that it wasn't good--it is.  But it wasn't great, and I just got distracted and didn't finish it.  The tv shows are a bit hard to watch, since they aren't for kids, which limits the time my wife and I can watch (and I have to make sure she is available to watch during those limited times, or else she gets mad that I got ahead of her. :lol ).  We picked it back up now and are going to finish.  I just wish it were more compelling.  Yeah, it's good.  But I fell asleep during an episode the other night, and I feel like it should be good enough that there is no way I could fall asleep during an episode.  Anyhow...

I want to move on to the Defenders, but I guess I'll first have to watch Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage so I'm not lost.  It just seems like such an investment in time for characters I am not familiar with or that interested in that I'm not sure I'll get to it.  I guess we'll see...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on September 13, 2017, 10:08:38 AM
I never saw it.  I've been selective in my Marvel tv show viewing, simply as a factor of time, and am now behind.  I watched Daredevil, season 1 and enjoyed it.  Started season 2 awhile back and didn't finish.  Not that it wasn't good--it is.  But it wasn't great, and I just got distracted and didn't finish it.  The tv shows are a bit hard to watch, since they aren't for kids, which limits the time my wife and I can watch (and I have to make sure she is available to watch during those limited times, or else she gets mad that I got ahead of her. :lol ).  We picked it back up now and are going to finish.  I just wish it were more compelling.  Yeah, it's good.  But I fell asleep during an episode the other night, and I feel like it should be good enough that there is no way I could fall asleep during an episode.  Anyhow...

I want to move on to the Defenders, but I guess I'll first have to watch Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage so I'm not lost.  It just seems like such an investment in time for characters I am not familiar with or that interested in that I'm not sure I'll get to it.  I guess we'll see...
I get that, it's definitely a bigger investment of time than the movies, being TV shows.

The first seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones were amazing, in my opinion. The next three seasons (DD s2, LC, IF) were all fine, but had their flaws and were weaker overall. The Defenders was a great return to form, but I do feel it would be a lot less enjoyable without having seen all the other seasons.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on September 13, 2017, 11:33:56 AM
:iagree:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 13, 2017, 11:26:18 PM
So I guess it's safe to say that Inhumans tanked? Must say from the teasers/trailers it Always felt wrong. Looked wrong.

Now the Gifted, however, looks way more promising.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 13, 2017, 11:35:52 PM
So I guess it's safe to say that Inhumans tanked? Must say from the teasers/trailers it Always felt wrong. Looked wrong.

Now the Gifted, however, looks way more promising.

Haven't read any reviews of the Gifted, but the few reviews of The Runaways that I saw were very positive. Looking forward to both.

I think the only one I just don't care about is Cloak and Dagger. I like the characters, but the show looks.....I dunno.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 14, 2017, 04:43:56 AM
Hmmm I will be checking Cloak and Dagger out to see if it's any good. I used to love to read the comics about them. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Metro on September 20, 2017, 08:28:54 AM
Trailer for the Punisher  :metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIY6zFL95hE&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on September 20, 2017, 11:56:39 AM
Saw that... 10lbs of awesome in a 5lb bag.  Can't wait for this one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on September 20, 2017, 01:18:16 PM
Bernthal is PERFECT for this part. I have seen a ruff cut of the first 2 shows. This has promise maybe more than people think
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2017, 07:44:57 PM
That trailer looks insane. I am so pumped for that show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TioJorge on September 20, 2017, 11:15:40 PM
YES.


Jesus. Goosebumps throughout. Great use of One, great action and didn't seem to show too much but still got my blood pumping. Ready!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on September 21, 2017, 05:26:32 PM
Wow....that looks...really really violent.   

I'll pass.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 21, 2017, 05:31:41 PM
Wow....that looks...really really violent.   

I'll pass.

Yes. It's the Punisher. He is literally just there to murder people.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on September 21, 2017, 06:10:38 PM
If they truly stay true to The Punisher/Frank, yeah it is going to be violent. From the first 2 ruff cut episodes I have seen its more his story, revenge, more than just violence,
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 21, 2017, 06:32:14 PM
The gunfire to the rhythm of One is fantastic.

Also the show looks cool. Hopefully it's better than Luke Cage and Iron Fist.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on September 21, 2017, 06:36:26 PM
From the 2 episodes I have seen,,,,,,,,, you will have no worries
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 21, 2017, 09:11:58 PM
The gunfire to the rhythm of One is fantastic.

Also the show looks cool. Hopefully it's better than Luke Cage and Iron Fist.

I hope it's as good, if not better than the first 8 or whatever episodes of Luke Cage and all of Iron Fist.



Also, it's being reported that Inhumans is already cancelled. Meaning it'll be whatever they filmed and nothing more.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 23, 2017, 06:09:30 AM
Trailer looks insanely good. I hope it lives up to it.

Defenders started off well enough, but again petered out and that season ending was ridiculously bad. I had high hopes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 29, 2017, 02:33:24 PM
I have a theory for Infinity War, sort of.  I guess I should say **********SPOILERS************** just in case, even though it's just a theory.  So, here goes...




















A couple of things, really.  The first relates to the last infinity stone (the soul stone).  It's hard to not fall into the "find the McGuffin" mode of thinking when we've got so many installments and we know it is all leading up to a quest to find and, depending on which side you are on, either unite or keep separate the six infinity stones.  I've given my opinion in the past that I think it makes the most sense for it to probably show up in Ragnarok.  I recently read a new theory about how and why it shows up in that film, and based on what we know about Ragnarok, it makes perfect sense and seems pretty likely to me.   And, no, it isn't the Heimdall theory, although he does tie into it.  Google "the last infinity stone has been hiding in plain sight" if you want to know more (and I quite like the pun involved in that wording).  If true, that theory makes a lot of sense.  I think it would be smarter for Marvel to hold off and actually not introduce it until the first Infinity War film.  It kind of makes sense that that first film would be all about the race to find it.  But I think it may very well end up being in Ragnorok instead.  I guess we'll see.

The second thing is, I think Nebula is going to play a major role in Thanos' ultimate defeat.  I know she's a fairly minor character.  But her character took on a much larger role in Guardians 2 than I would have thought, and that kind of seemed out of the blue unless it is for a larger purpose.  Guardians 2 also made me realize a couple of things about her relationship with Thanos:  she hates him; she has a relationship with him; and she is motivated.  She's also not very competent, however, and makes dumb decisions based on her emotions, so there's that.  But it just seems to me that she's in a good position to be overlooked and to throw a monkey wrench into his plans.  It would also seem somewhat poetic if it wasn't actually the Avengers that took him down, but a lesser important character that enabled his defeat.  I dunno.  I could be way off on this, but the thought occurred to me, so I thought I'd share it. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: DougMasters on September 29, 2017, 02:42:05 PM
I didn't have a problem with Iron Fist in the Defenders.

We did a podcast on the Defenders,

I specifically admit I minded him less in the Defenders but by god I still think his character is obnoxious.

The actor though, Finn Jones, is amazing. I just hate the character, ever so much.

He was right though, tying him up was a big mistake.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2017, 04:22:33 PM
So I watched the first two Inhumans episodes.


Damn that was bad. I'll start with the pros though.....

Pros:
Blackbolt. For the most part, he wasn't bad. Had some decent moments. I had very low expectations though for him.
Medussa. Not a bad actress. Not great, but not bad.
Lockjaw is really cute actually.
........................


Cons:
Gorgon. Dude was awful. Every scene. Every piece of dialogue. Everything. Just awfu.
Triton. Pointless and terrible.
Crystal. Truly horrible B grade level everything.
The sign language. I won't go into why I hated this, cause it would be a long rant but......no. Just no.
Everything else. Just awful.

So many bad things that I get lost as to where to start.


Here's a visual analogy comparing how the show should have been on the left, and how it turned out on the right.

(https://a.abcnews.com/images/News/ht_spanish_painting_jesus_badly_restored_thg_120822_wmain.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on September 30, 2017, 06:12:28 PM
one of their biggest f ups. it is truly bad
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2017, 09:05:09 PM
I love Anson Mount as an actor. His role on "Hell On Wheels" was amazing.  Black Bolt is a tough role to play not being able to talk.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2017, 09:08:06 PM
I love Anson Mount as an actor. His role on "Hell On Wheels" was amazing.  Black Bolt is a tough role to play not being able to talk.

He definitely wasn't the worst part of the show. Honestly, his acting was fine. The writing is what killed his character. Same with Medusa.



The rest of them though.....
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2017, 09:09:52 PM
 I have it dvr'd and I'll follow through the whole season because I want to keep up with the Marvel timeline but it's obvious how they went from a movie to a TV show and what went wrong.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 30, 2017, 09:19:03 PM
I have it dvr'd and I'll follow through the whole season because I want to keep up with the Marvel timeline but it's obvious how they went from a movie to a TV show and what went wrong.

Oh so many things went wrong. Just so many things. Honestly, I couldn't even type up all of my thoughts on the first two episodes. I have so many things to say that I'd break my keyboard.



Sadly I can't expect the next 6 episodes to be much better, assuming they don't just disregard everything and start again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on September 30, 2017, 09:22:51 PM
Oh, I hear ya.  It's so short that I think I can invest my time hopefully it gets slightly better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on October 01, 2017, 02:21:37 AM
Yeah, Inhumans really wasn't good. Best thing about it was the villain though, I actually agree with that guy. Maybe his way to go about things aren't the best but hey, I'm rooting for that guy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 01, 2017, 06:12:18 AM
It's never a good sign when the pro's simply that certain aspects 'weren't bad'.  I gave up on this with the first trailer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 01, 2017, 06:32:28 AM
It wasn't as bad as others were saying. To me it's on the level as Agents Of Shield.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 01, 2017, 06:33:18 AM
It wasn't as bad as others were saying. To me it's on the level as Agents Of Shield.

Did you watch it before your first coffee this morning?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 01, 2017, 06:40:13 AM
 :lol

With my first cup.  It's ok.  Not great but just ok.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on October 01, 2017, 08:33:55 AM
Finally got to watch Doctor Strange. Such a great movie and the effects are just flat out amazing. Loved the story, the acting, everything. I think this may just end up in one of my top 5 Marvel movies.
I'm all caught up with the MCU movies and cannot wait for Thor next month.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2017, 10:22:40 AM
It wasn't as bad as others were saying. To me it's on the level as Agents Of Shield.

What? Minus the first season, Agents is awesome. People, I feel, gave up after a few episodes and just kind of assumed it stayed bad. It is a fantastic show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 01, 2017, 10:42:34 AM
Agents is good not great.  I still follow it.  I'm not bothered when a show it not great.  I still enjoy it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
Agents is good not great.  I still follow it.  I'm not bothered when a show it not great.  I still enjoy it.

You'd really put the first two episodes of Inhumans on the same level as the Ghost Rider or LMD storylines of Shield?

I mean, I guess different strokes, but I think Agents is really great. As far as Marvel goes, I'd put it above Iron Fist, Luke Cage and the Defenders.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 01, 2017, 11:57:21 AM
No but I put it the same as the 1st 2 episodes as AOS.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2017, 12:00:20 PM
No but I put it the same as the 1st 2 episodes as AOS.

Okay that I can get behind.








Wait...no I can't. The first two episodes of Shield are dumb. But I can literally write a thesis on what I didn't like about Inhumans. Shield had the upper edge in that all of their characters were not from the comics, and therefore they didn't risk looking dumb for changing them into meaningless trash.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 01, 2017, 12:06:05 PM
 :lol

I won't get that deep as you did in analyzing it, I'm just talking about the enjoyment factor. But I get where you're coming from.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2017, 01:35:30 PM
I think one difference is that blank slate I mentioned.

When Shield started, we knew Phil and the actor had already gotten that character down. But we didn't know anyone else. Fitz, Simmons, May, Skye or whatever, Grant etc. were all blank slates. They can take their time and figure the characters out since we don't already have any ideas or attachments.

However I am very familiar with Black Bolt, Medusa, Gorgon, Karnak, Maximus, Crystal and Triton. And they royally (pun intended) screwed up all of those characters to varying degrees.

If they had changed the name of the shows and the characters names, it'd be bad, but not as insulting.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on October 01, 2017, 05:17:32 PM
Speaking of AoS.    Did anyone know that the actress who plays May is 53 and the actor who plays Grant is 34?   She's literally old enough to be his mother.


YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!   

(btw....when I expressed this to a group of friends, this fact apparently had everyone trying desperately to not reveal a related spoiler....so, just remember I'm only on episode 9)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 01, 2017, 06:20:59 PM
Speaking of AoS.    Did anyone know that the actress who plays May is 53 and the actor who plays Grant is 34?   She's literally old enough to be his mother.


YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!   

(btw....when I expressed this to a group of friends, this fact apparently had everyone trying desperately to not reveal a related spoiler....so, just remember I'm only on episode 9)

Ming Na may be 53, but she can have me whenever she wants.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2017, 10:07:36 PM
AoS is fantastic.  King, you are losing your mind.  I think dementia may be setting in.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 02, 2017, 03:54:30 AM
 :lol

I'm talking 1st 2 episodes for each show. Let's see if it can make 3 years silly!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on October 02, 2017, 05:14:58 AM
Also, is it just me, or was the death of Black Bolt's parents absolutely hilarious?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Nekov on October 03, 2017, 06:48:00 AM
Related to the conversation, I stopped watching AoS when Ghost Rider showed up, not becuase of the character but because I feel the show had been getting cheesier and more predictable as time passed. I really stopped enjoying it.

As far as The Defenders goes, I finished watching it yesterday. I liked some of it because it incorporates some of the best elements out of the 4 shows but in also incorporates some of the bad, like that scene where luke, daredevil and jessica are facing the remaining 3 hand members and they just start a staring contest, the camera focusing on them 1 by 1, that's just cheesy and unnecessary, just have them kick ass without the stupid preamble.
I agree that Iron Fist is still an obnouxious character and would like to see his character develop more but I guess that will come later.
I did find the critique on oil companies to be very nicely done though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 05, 2017, 05:01:43 PM
For very obvious reasons, The Punisher has been delayed for an unknown period of time.

In other news, I actually enjoyed the pilot for The Gifted. Not perfect or brilliant, but Was quite enjoyable.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on October 06, 2017, 12:29:17 AM
I guess it was fine, but there really wasn’t much to hook me. But then again I never really liked the concept of the X-Men or ”mutants”, so it’ll have to do even more work than usual to win me over.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: contest_sanity on October 08, 2017, 02:12:29 PM
Runaways trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6_0dJkjFAM

I'm really pumped for this one! I keep a lot of comic books in my classroom (English teacher) for independent reading, and Runaways is always one of the most popular.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 08, 2017, 03:23:31 PM
Yea, I'm excited about Runaways. I love the comics and that trailer looked directly out of their origin run.

I wonder if they will change things, or else I am very aware of the twist ending.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 13, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
I'm confused about something.  So, according to this article (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/marvel-changed-avengers-infinity-war-plans.html/?a=viewall), there will only be one, single Infinity Wars film.  The next Avengers film in 2019 will be something completely different.  This is news to me.  But their "source" is an old 2016 article when it was first announced that the second film would simply not be titled "Infinity Wars 2."  Has anyone come out and actually said that the Infinity Wars story will only be a single film?  I never took that from the naming announcement.  But maybe I somehow missed it.  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on October 13, 2017, 10:00:48 AM
Everything I've read suggests that it will certainly follow on from Infinity War. The latest thing I read supporting that notion was that Ragnarok - Infinity War - untitled IW2 forms a sort of trilogy for the Hulk.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Metro on October 13, 2017, 10:07:22 AM
I'm confused about something.  So, according to this article (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/marvel-changed-avengers-infinity-war-plans.html/?a=viewall), there will only be one, single Infinity Wars film.  The next Avengers film in 2019 will be something completely different.  This is news to me.  But their "source" is an old 2016 article when it was first announced that the second film would simply not be titled "Infinity Wars 2."  Has anyone come out and actually said that the Infinity Wars story will only be a single film?  I never took that from the naming announcement.  But maybe I somehow missed it.  Anyone know?

The second film(previously known as Infinity War Pt.2) will probably be a continuation of Infinity War, but it doesn't have an official title yet because apparently the title is a spoiler for Infinity War.
I say "probably" because as much as they've been building up Thanos since 2012, I doubt he'd just be a one-and-done villain. Infinity War has him first encountering the Avengers and fighting for the Infinity Stones(Hence the "War") and the second film will have him actually in control of the gauntlet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2017, 10:14:09 AM
I'm confused about something.  So, according to this article (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/marvel-changed-avengers-infinity-war-plans.html/?a=viewall), there will only be one, single Infinity Wars film.  The next Avengers film in 2019 will be something completely different.  This is news to me.  But their "source" is an old 2016 article when it was first announced that the second film would simply not be titled "Infinity Wars 2."  Has anyone come out and actually said that the Infinity Wars story will only be a single film?  I never took that from the naming announcement.  But maybe I somehow missed it.  Anyone know?

The second movie is definitely related. They were even going to film them at the same time but it was too complicated.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 13, 2017, 10:16:21 AM
Yeah, that's what I thought too.  Cheatsheet isn't some prestigious news source of anything, but I've never known them to be so blatantly wrong about something before, so this threw me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2017, 03:34:49 PM
God damn this Inhumans show is dumb.

Medusa briefly looks at moon.
Girl with her: OMG ARE YOU FROM THE MOON?!?!

"That ring? I saw the exact same ring on the guy that was briefly shown on the news that one time"

Who the hell is writing this?


Also Karnak is one of my favorite Marvel characters. This version is not Karnak. Not even remotely beyond the tattoos.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MirrorMask on October 14, 2017, 03:44:05 PM
Just finished watching Spider-Man: Homecoming.

IT WAS AWESOME!!!

I don't know if we could call it the best Spider-Man movie ever, but.... damn, it's the best Spider-Man movie ever. The idea of a teenage Peter Parker was executed brilliantly, the backstory was not once again spelled out (You just get his nosy friend asking how it happened and he says he was bitten by a spider... of course he was bitten by a spider, we all know it, let's move on. Smart move), and it was just credible - he was making mistakes and showing he has still a lot to learn both in his attitude, and with the way he moves around with the webs.

Sure, the ever present cliches of school are there - the guy that picks on him, the huge cool party where everyone's there, the prom drama etc, but for the rest, it all flows well. The story is nice and not yet "Let's have Spider-Man fighting a famous enemy", the humor is as always brilliant (loved the guy at the end coming out of the toilet when Happy was trying to talk!), and Tony Stark was not a gimmick to draw more people in but he was coherent to the story.

Really, a fun enjoyable movie and with a teen Spider-Man completely and totally nailed. Loved also how the post-credits sequence was just a self parody of those things  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2017, 03:50:37 PM
I'm also pretty sure someone said "We need a Felicity Smoke in this show. And really....don't try to hide it"





And yes, Spiderman Homecoming is amazing. I really loved it. Can't wait to buy it on Blu Ray and watch it again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MirrorMask on October 14, 2017, 03:52:45 PM
Forgot to say that the chick in school that had no friends and seemingly didn't care for anything was awesome.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 14, 2017, 03:55:50 PM
Forgot to say that the chick in school that had no friends and seemingly didn't care for anything was awesome.

Except when they made her MJ. They really could have skipped that.

It was like in The Dark Knight Rises when you find out JGL's real name was Robin at the end.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 16, 2017, 10:00:49 AM
Black Panther Trailer #2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5pHFvMQZCI

:jawdrop:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 16, 2017, 10:30:43 AM
I didn't quite have the

:jawdrop:

reaction.  But still, pretty cool.  And that's the thing with the Marvel films.  Maybe we are getting to the point where we're getting too saturated with the Marvel universe and/or superheroes in general.  And maybe some of the stories haven't been fantastic.  But they just make fun, visually cool films that are a blast to watch.  This one looks like no exception.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 16, 2017, 05:32:59 PM
Yea, I'm with Bosk on liking the trailer but not being in awe. I liked the first one a lot more.


I have 2 major concerns.

1) It's again doing the Marvel thing of the good guy fighting the bad version of himself. It's literally two black panthers. I mean, luckily they got two insanely amazing actors in the roles, but I was hoping for something a little less blatant.

2) The fighting scenes are looking VERY video gameish. I'm sure the graphics will be better when they're done, but they're doing way too much over the top Matrixesque fight scenes, which doesn't feel very Black Panther.

Beyond that, I'm still very very excited for this movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 19, 2017, 02:42:25 AM
So I just catched up on The Inhumans...
.......my God...it's just the worst.... Seriously. This makes Iron Fist feel like the best show ever.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on October 19, 2017, 11:34:55 AM
It is seriously bad on almost every level.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2017, 11:46:34 AM
It is seriously bad on almost every level.

I'll maintain that the acting from Black Bolt and Medusa isn't too bad. The rest? Ugh. It really does make Iron Fist look good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on October 19, 2017, 11:52:41 AM
I'm actually having a hard time blaming any of the actors, it must be absolutely impossible to deliver a good performance when this is the material they have to work with. Black Bolt is a performance that's easy to excuse here because he doesn't have to deal with any of the abysmal dialogue.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2017, 11:56:18 AM
I'm actually having a hard time blaming any of the actors, it must be absolutely impossible to deliver a good performance when this is the material they have to work with. Black Bolt is a performance that's easy to excuse here because he doesn't have to deal with any of the abysmal dialogue.

Oh I can totally blame a number of them, but the worst is Crystal. She is just awful.

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Post by: King Postwhore on October 19, 2017, 08:41:50 PM
 the actor that plays Black Bolt is amazing another shows that I've seen.
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Post by: Adami on October 19, 2017, 08:45:13 PM
the actor that plays Black Bolt is amazing another shows that I've seen.

He's doing a great job actually. He's just given almost nothing of substance to work with. I feel for the guy.
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Post by: King Postwhore on October 19, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
Oh I totally agree.
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Post by: soupytwist on October 20, 2017, 02:12:47 AM
So 'Thor : Ragnarok' is getting great reviews (98% on RT at the minute).  Supposed to be a decent story but is being called the funniest marvel film to date,  probably due to being directed by Taika Waititi (to anyone who hasn't seen 'What we do in the Shadows' - watch it).
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Post by: NoseofNicko on October 20, 2017, 02:37:13 AM
(to anyone who hasn't seen 'What we do in the Shadows' - watch it).

Agreed. One of the funniest movies I’ve ever seen.
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Post by: aurorablind on October 20, 2017, 04:35:57 AM
(to anyone who hasn't seen 'What we do in the Shadows' - watch it).

Agreed. One of the funniest movies I’ve ever seen.

+1!

Inhumans:
Anson Mount and Iwan Rheon (Maximus) are great actors, so I hope this show doesn't hurt them in the long run.

When Mordis(?) was revealed I laughed so hard. That is one of the worst costumes I've ever seen...
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 20, 2017, 06:12:47 AM
One more appreciation for What we do in the shadows! brilliant take on the whole (saturated ) vampire trend.
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Post by: BlackInk on October 20, 2017, 09:00:12 AM
I wouldn't really have minded Mordis' costume if they hadn't made his character such a goofball. They set him up to actually be cool, but he, just like everything/one else in this show, is just so lame.
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Post by: gzarruk on October 20, 2017, 01:19:47 PM
I just hope they find better writers/producers for the show if they, hopefully, get a 2nd season. I don't think it's that bad, though.

I'm just posting to this thread, so I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but I think they should make people crossover from the other Marvel TV shows, so Inhumans gets more views/rating, that could benefit them a lot.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 20, 2017, 01:40:46 PM
I'd bet my life savings that Inhumans (as a standalone show) will be buried and never spoken of ever again.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Agents of Shield abandons the "Inhuman" classification for Daisy and YoYo
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Post by: Adami on October 20, 2017, 03:08:03 PM
I just hope they find better writers/producers for the show if they, hopefully, get a 2nd season. I don't think it's that bad, though.

I'm just posting to this thread, so I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but I think they should make people crossover from the other Marvel TV shows, so Inhumans gets more views/rating, that could benefit them a lot.


It's really bad dude. It's better off left to die. Better for them, better for everyone. Let the actors all move on to better projects.
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Post by: gzarruk on October 20, 2017, 10:03:44 PM
I just hope they find better writers/producers for the show if they, hopefully, get a 2nd season. I don't think it's that bad, though.

I'm just posting to this thread, so I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but I think they should make people crossover from the other Marvel TV shows, so Inhumans gets more views/rating, that could benefit them a lot.


It's really bad dude. It's better off left to die. Better for them, better for everyone. Let the actors all move on to better projects.

At least it keeps me entertained untill Agents of Shield comes back  :lol :biggrin:
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Post by: Adami on October 20, 2017, 10:23:20 PM
I just hope they find better writers/producers for the show if they, hopefully, get a 2nd season. I don't think it's that bad, though.

I'm just posting to this thread, so I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but I think they should make people crossover from the other Marvel TV shows, so Inhumans gets more views/rating, that could benefit them a lot.


It's really bad dude. It's better off left to die. Better for them, better for everyone. Let the actors all move on to better projects.

At least it keeps me entertained untill Agents of Shield comes back  :lol :biggrin:

Watch The Flash, or Legends, or even Arrow or Supergirl if you want.
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Post by: gzarruk on October 20, 2017, 10:28:09 PM
I just hope they find better writers/producers for the show if they, hopefully, get a 2nd season. I don't think it's that bad, though.

I'm just posting to this thread, so I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but I think they should make people crossover from the other Marvel TV shows, so Inhumans gets more views/rating, that could benefit them a lot.


It's really bad dude. It's better off left to die. Better for them, better for everyone. Let the actors all move on to better projects.

At least it keeps me entertained untill Agents of Shield comes back  :lol :biggrin:

Watch The Flash, or Legends, or even Arrow or Supergirl if you want.

Big fan of Flash and Arrow here, been following all their seasons. LoT is fine, I only watch it because it's connected to the other two. Supergirl I really wanted to like, but it's just not for me (too much teenage drama)
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Post by: BlackInk on October 21, 2017, 01:43:29 AM
Didn’t someone here say that Inhumans was already cancelled?
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Post by: Metro on October 21, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
If it's not already cancelled it will be before the season ends.

Iron Fist and Inhumans have one thing in common: Scott Buck. He's the showrunner for both shows. He's also the man responsible for the abomination that was the last 3 seasons of Dexter. I don't know who thought it was a good idea to hire him, but after both of his shows being received this badly I hope he stays far far away from anything Marvel related.
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Post by: gzarruk on October 21, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
Didn’t someone here say that Inhumans was already cancelled?

I heard someone say this season was being marketed as "the complete series", so it sounded like they secretly canceled it behind the scenes.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 23, 2017, 12:08:08 PM
Anyone see the Infinity Wars trailer from D23/Comicon?  It leaked and is out there.  Hard to tell without having seen Ragnarok, but it looks like it may have a big Ragnarok spoiler.  I won't say any more, other than:  wow!
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Post by: bosk1 on October 23, 2017, 02:23:53 PM
This is kinda cool:  https://www.yahoo.com/movies/apos-watch-entire-mcu-order-180815826.html
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Post by: Adami on October 23, 2017, 02:27:49 PM
This is kinda cool:  https://www.yahoo.com/movies/apos-watch-entire-mcu-order-180815826.html

Very cool list. Just noticed two flaws.

They put Avengers Assemble as the first Avengers movie for some reason.

They put Inhumans as something you should watch.
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Post by: ariich on October 23, 2017, 02:38:44 PM
They put Avengers Assemble as the first Avengers movie for some reason.
Maybe because it is?

It's just the UK name for The Avengers.
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Post by: Adami on October 23, 2017, 02:39:43 PM
They put Avengers Assemble as the first Avengers movie for some reason.
Maybe because it is?

It's just the UK name for The Avengers.

Oh really? Was not aware of that. I thought there was a cartoon or something called Avengers Assemble and maybe they just mixed it up.

I have no idea what most movies are called in other countries.
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Post by: ariich on October 23, 2017, 02:49:51 PM
They put Avengers Assemble as the first Avengers movie for some reason.
Maybe because it is?

It's just the UK name for The Avengers.

Oh really? Was not aware of that. I thought there was a cartoon or something called Avengers Assemble and maybe they just mixed it up.

I have no idea what most movies are called in other countries.
I think that's been the only MCU one, and I would guess it's because of an old British radio/TV show of the same name.

Disney also changed Zootopia to Zootropolis for some reason, which was just dumb. But then in the other direction Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone got changed in the US to Sorcerer's Stone, so I guess it goes both ways.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 23, 2017, 02:54:58 PM
I always assume that, just like grammar, the U.S. version is the correct one and the British version is all kinds of screwed up.
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Post by: Adami on October 23, 2017, 03:00:18 PM
Well, The Avengers won't be the only MCU film title changed for long. I've heard that in England, Antman and The Wasp is called Ant-man and his Handmaiden.
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Post by: Adami on October 23, 2017, 04:37:28 PM
Can they please just announce that Avengers 4 is going to be titled “Avengers: Infinity....and Beyond!”?
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Post by: gzarruk on October 23, 2017, 05:54:27 PM
Can they please just announce that Avengers 4 is going to be titled “Avengers: Infinity....and Beyond!”?

Didn't Zoe Saldana accidentaly reveal that it'll be called Infinity Gauntlet?
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Post by: Adami on October 23, 2017, 05:58:41 PM
Can they please just announce that Avengers 4 is going to be titled “Avengers: Infinity....and Beyond!”?

Didn't Zoe Saldana accidentaly reveal that it'll be called Infinity Gauntlet?

Yea, but does HER version have a surprise Buzz Lightyear cameo?
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Post by: gzarruk on October 23, 2017, 06:03:24 PM
Can they please just announce that Avengers 4 is going to be titled “Avengers: Infinity....and Beyond!”?

Didn't Zoe Saldana accidentaly reveal that it'll be called Infinity Gauntlet?

Yea, but does HER version have a surprise Buzz Lightyear cameo?

:rollin I didn't get the joke the first time I read it and posted a serious answer.
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Post by: aurorablind on October 27, 2017, 02:53:01 AM
Seeing Thor: Ragnarok tonight!  :laugh: :tup
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Post by: bosk1 on October 27, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
Not sure when I will get to it, but I am looking forward to it. 

I just found this article explaining why the final version of the scene where Hela appears and catches Mjolnir is different than the one in first trailer.  I like the explanation.  Technically, it is spoilerish.  But I find the spoiler to be VERY minor, and the headline was too attractive to ignore, so I read it.  Again, I like the explanation quite a bit.  https://www.yahoo.com/movies/thor-ragnarok-director-explains-reshot-destruction-mjolnir-exclusive-095928905.html
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Post by: Adami on October 27, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
I liked his initial explanation that fields are so much cooler than alleyways.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 27, 2017, 05:21:03 PM
I liked his initial explanation that fields are so much cooler than alleyways.

Can't say I disagree... but when you look at the side-by-side comparison of Blanchett, she looks so much more ominous in the original shot:

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Kywv1kTrm9UwoZ0O8rrGvA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/70b03906957603a21c20cef3a75c3ee3)

She (and Mjolnir) looks a little too 'polished' in the re-shoot.  Plus, one minor nit... in the original, the leather strap is pointing down (gravity!), whereas is stays taught/horizontal in the re-shoot.
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Post by: aurorablind on October 28, 2017, 05:52:11 AM
Saw Ragnarok last night, and man..it was so fucking hilarious and action-packed,while still having big stakes and emotion throughout.
Is it the best Marvel-movie? Nahh.. But it's definitely in the same league as the best Marvel solo-films, and it's the best MCU-film since Civil War.
Taika Waititi found the perfect way to breathe new light into the Thor-francise, it's just so refreshing!
Everyone was great in it. Hemsworth, Ruffalo, Goldblum, Hiddleston, Thomson, Elba... but my favorite character in the movie was actually Korg, played by Waititi himself. He was fucking hilarious  :lol
Cate Blanchett was a truly worthy foe as well. The Marvel films this year has defenitely improved their villains.

All in all - I absolutely loved it!!

A tiny spoiler: There is a very funny cameo by Matt Damon early on, when Thor returns to Asgard. It was so surreal, but so awesome 
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Post by: gzarruk on October 28, 2017, 09:43:21 AM
Saw Ragnarok last night, and man..it was so fucking hilarious and action-packed,while still having big stakes and emotion throughout.
Is it the best Marvel-movie? Nahh.. But it's definitely in the same league as the best Marvel solo-films, and it's the best MCU-film since Civil War.
Taika Waititi found the perfect way to breathe new light into the Thor-francise, it's just so refreshing!
Everyone was great in it. Hemsworth, Ruffalo, Goldblum, Hiddleston, Thomson, Elba... but my favorite character in the movie was actually Korg, played by Waititi himself. He was fucking hilarious  :lol
Cate Blanchett was a truly worthy foe as well. The Marvel films this year has defenitely improved their villains.

All in all - I absolutely loved it!!

A tiny spoiler: There is a very funny cameo by Matt Damon early on, when Thor returns to Asgard. It was so surreal, but so awesome 

Great to hear! I'll be seeing it next friday with my girlfriend, and really can't wait to see it alread. It's gonna be a loooong week for me.
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Post by: jingle.boy on October 28, 2017, 09:45:58 AM
Got my IMAX tickets for 4:30 on Friday with jingle.kids.  Still have to power through a few more of the Ragnarok and Roll comics, and I feel like I want to re-read the Avengers Disassembled Ragnarok issues too.
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Post by: Grappler on October 28, 2017, 08:16:32 PM
Can they please just announce that Avengers 4 is going to be titled “Avengers: Infinity....and Beyond!”?

There's a local Chicago classic rock/Journey cover band called Infinity.  A few years ago, a number of ex-members of Infinity that have come and gone from the band created a similar styled classic rock tribute band called "And Beyond." I loved that name right from the start.   :lol

I'm looking forward to Thor Ragnarok.  I'll have to wait to see it when it comes to digital home rentals though.  No time to get to a theater at all lately.

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Post by: Accelerando on October 29, 2017, 01:10:13 PM
Ragnarok has opened with $107.6M internationally so far. It should hit those numbers when it gets the US release.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 30, 2017, 12:28:06 PM
Regarding "where is the last infinity stone?," I don't consider this to be a spoiler since this only reveals what we DON'T know as of Ragnarok.  But I include this little preamble for those who don't wanna know so you can stop reading.




























Okay, so we know it isn't in Ragnarok.  (I haven't seen it, but I take others' word for it)  I just read this on Screenrant:

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Thor: Ragnarok is the 17th feature film by Marvel Studios, leaving five other movies still to come before the party wraps up. There are therefore a options for where the Soul Stone may be:
1.•Black Panther – February 16, 2018
2.•Avengers: Infinity War – May 4, 2018
3.•Ant-Man and the Wasp – July 6, 2018
4.•Captain Marvel – March 8, 2019
5.•Untitled Avengers 4 (Its title is a minor spoiler) – May 3, 2019

However, given the nature of Avengers: Infinity War, it’s a certainty that the Infinity Gauntlet will be used in this film next year by Thanos. That means the Soul Stone must be introduced in the next few months. It would be weird and almost cheap from a storytelling standpoint for it to just briefly get introduced in Avengers 3, so it’s a safe assumption Black Panther is where the last piece of the puzzle remains.

So, throw those Thor: Ragnarok theories about Hela (Cate Blanchett) having the Soul Stone, or it being in Odin’s Eye, or Heimdall having it as his own source of power, in the trash. The Soul Stone is in Wakanda, the secretive, isolated fictional nation in Africa where Black Panther reigns, and it makes a lot of sense when you break it down.

I STRONGLY disagree with the bolded.  Yeah, it could be tied to Black Panther.  But there is no reason that has been revealed thus far that it must be.  And, honestly, I don't think it is.  I think it would be silly for it to be there.  Contrary to what the article says, I think it will ultimately be first revealed in Avengers 3.  It makes sense to me that it will be someplace outside of earth that has not been revealed yet.  And I think Captain Marvel is the perfect vehicle for that.  I'm thinking Avengers 3 is mostly about that stone.  And then after that film, we get the Captain Marvel film, which is set in the '90s, and get some back story on it.  And then we get the conclusion in Avengers 4.  That makes the most sense to me.  I guess we'll see.  But that is just a common sense way to do it, based on what we know is in store for the next few films.

I think this next bit is more insightful:

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On the other hand, why are so many of these Infinity Stones finding their way to Earth? What’s so special about our planet in a very populated galaxy?

That is, in a nutshell, why it would be dumb for it to be on earth.  With so many infinity stones on earth, how could it be that nobody in the MCU outside of earth wouldn't have made a major play to wipe out earth and obtain them much earlier in the planet's history (i.e., prior to the existence of the Avengers) when we would have been FAR less prepared to deal with such a threat?  It just doesn't make any sense.
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Post by: aurorablind on October 31, 2017, 02:56:17 AM
Just for fun: My ranking of the MCU-films

GREAT:
1. Guardians of the Galaxy
2. The Avengers
3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
4. Captain America: Civil War
5. Iron Man
6. Thor: Ragnarok

GOOD:
7. Spider-Man: Homecoming
8. Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2
9. Dr. Strange
10. Avengers: Age of Ultron

DECENT:
11. Captain America: The First Avenger
12. Thor
13. Ant Man
14. Iron Man 3

MEH:
15. The Incredible Hulk
16. Iron Man 2
17. Thor: The Dark World
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Post by: Adami on November 02, 2017, 05:43:51 PM
So....


Apparently there are pics of them filming Avengers 4 that looks like it will be a recreation or flashback or something to the first Avengers film. This got me thinking.

In the comics that inspired these next two movies, Thanos uses the gauntlet to literally re-write reality and murder half of the universe. Then after they beat Thanos, they take back the glove and use it to put reality back to where it was. Given that the glove can re-write reality from the past onward, do you think that is how they are going to approach Phase 4, with the freedom to re-write whatever they feel like in Avengers 4?
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Post by: gzarruk on November 03, 2017, 06:19:38 AM
So....


Apparently there are pics of them filming Avengers 4 that looks like it will be a recreation or flashback or something to the first Avengers film. This got me thinking.

In the comics that inspired these next two movies, Thanos uses the gauntlet to literally re-write reality and murder half of the universe. Then after they beat Thanos, they take back the glove and use it to put reality back to where it was. Given that the glove can re-write reality from the past onward, do you think that is how they are going to approach Phase 4, with the freedom to re-write whatever they feel like in Avengers 4?

Midblown  :o
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 03, 2017, 06:50:39 AM
8 hours until viewing!

:caffeine:
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Post by: bosk1 on November 03, 2017, 07:37:02 AM
So....


Apparently there are pics of them filming Avengers 4 that looks like it will be a recreation or flashback or something to the first Avengers film. This got me thinking.

In the comics that inspired these next two movies, Thanos uses the gauntlet to literally re-write reality and murder half of the universe. Then after they beat Thanos, they take back the glove and use it to put reality back to where it was. Given that the glove can re-write reality from the past onward, do you think that is how they are going to approach Phase 4, with the freedom to re-write whatever they feel like in Avengers 4?

Well, there certainly is precedent for that given that that was a major plot point in Doctor Strange.  So I guess it wouldn't surprise me.  They've clearly set up that the time stone can operate that way in the MCU.
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Post by: Accelerando on November 03, 2017, 11:43:34 AM
Caught Ragnarok last night last minute getting off work. Really, it was amazing how fast I got through Los Angeles traffic to make this get together with my pals. But I really enjoyed large parts of it, and the art direction might be the very best we’ve seen in an MCU film. There were a couple of shots in particular are breathtakingly realised, and looked like wonderful pre-production art. The look of this film is truly amazing. No wonder James Gunn said it's more colorful than any of his Guardians movies. And the macho man banters between Thor and Hulk is always welcoming.

But I found myself getting a little frustrated by the film’s refusal to make a point seriously. For instance, weren't two of Thor's friends brutally murdered... before a quick cut to Karl Urban using a shake weight? The villain ruthlessly cuts down our hero’s friends, but 2 seconds later were laughing at a cheap gag. The gags do kill all the drama with Hela's attack on Asgard falling pretty flat. Still an issue I have with the recent MCU films, probably ever since Age of Ultron

Good film overall. I still prefer Kenneth Branagh's Shakespearean take from the first film, but this film visually is the best since the Russo Bros films. Probably the best in any MCU film.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 03, 2017, 07:41:15 PM
But I found myself getting a little frustrated by the film’s refusal to make a point seriously. For instance, weren't two of Thor's friends brutally murdered... before a quick cut to Karl Urban using a shake weight? The villain ruthlessly cuts down our hero’s friends, but 2 seconds later were laughing at a cheap gag. The gags do kill all the drama with Hela's attack on Asgard falling pretty flat. Still an issue I have with the recent MCU films, probably ever since Age of Ultron

In response to the spoiler/small font above ... it didn't happen quie that way... Skurge was mopping up the floor when Volstagg and Fandral were killed (the shake weight was earlier).  Minor difference, but I get your point.  Frankly, I was more bothered by the opening scene, and Thor spinning around 3x while having his verbal showdown with Surtur.  First one was funny, the next two were a bit much.

Semi spoilery ...

Overall, I think they could've dropped some of the gags - they were all pretty good for a chuckle, but on the whole I just felt there were too many.  I also wasn't a big fan of how Korg was presented.  In the comics, he was as bad-ass as Hulk, just not quite as strong and indestructible.  I would've liked for the Hulk-Fenris battle to have had more screen time.  That could've been a bit more epic.  Lastly (for the moment), I would've liked to have seen the Midgard Serpent, Thor to lose the second eye, and it to be clear that he now had the Odinpower.

On the whole, Top 5 MCU movie for sure on first watch... maybe higher after I let it sink in and see it some more times.  The explanation as to how Hela could hold Mjolnir was excellent, and I liked how they stayed faithful to the comics as to how Ragnarok comes to an end - both the original Thor comics, and the Thor Disassembled series.  Except for the (lack of) death of Heimdall... the fact that he still lives puts a still leaves the door open that he will somehow be connected to the Soul Stone.  I hope they don't put it in Wakanda... as that means three of these stones ended up on earth - what *is*
 so special about Earth that 3 of the stones found there way here?


Looks like Marvel is setting a new pattern with the additional scenes - mid credits = setup for future movies; end credit = comic relief.
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Post by: Polarbear on November 04, 2017, 02:22:35 PM
So yeah, Thor Ragnarök!

Loved it! I had a big stupid grin on my face, the entire time. :lol Easily the funniest Marvel movie yet, almost all the jokes landed for me. This is really a comedy first, and a comic book movie second.
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Post by: Dream Team on November 05, 2017, 07:57:46 PM
Yeah, just saw it, really great. I just wish they didn’t feel the need to always push the envelope on the graphicness of the violence.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 06, 2017, 04:29:02 AM
Yeah, just saw it, really great. I just wish they didn’t feel the need to always push the envelope on the graphicness of the violence.

  ???  Not sure if serious.
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Post by: Dream Team on November 06, 2017, 06:13:01 AM
Yeah, just saw it, really great. I just wish they didn’t feel the need to always push the envelope on the graphicness of the violence.

  ???  Not sure if serious.

It’s a franchise largely marketed to kids. A guy got his eye gouged out and there were dozens of impalements. Are YOU serious?
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Post by: Podaar on November 06, 2017, 06:30:31 AM
All of which was accomplished without a single drop of blood or a tiny spatter of gore. I don't know if you have kids, Dream Team, but I have never known any kid, ever, that would be negatively effected by it. I think your use of the word graphic is inaccurate.

Edit -  In fact, the eye gouge you mention was something more akin to Hela waiving a wand and Thor suddenly having a dark space where his right eye was.  That's it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 06, 2017, 06:39:13 AM
Yeah, just saw it, really great. I just wish they didn’t feel the need to always push the envelope on the graphicness of the violence.

  ???  Not sure if serious.

It’s a franchise largely marketed to kids. A guy got his eye gouged out and there were dozens of impalements. Are YOU serious?

Podaar took the words off my keyboard.  The loss of an eye was tantamount to a scab - hardly "graphic".  I guess your definition of "graphic" is far different than mine ... "graphic" =/= violence, nor does the target audience or rating have anything to do with "graphic".  Guess you haven't seen Logan or Deadpool?
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Post by: Adami on November 06, 2017, 02:13:01 PM
So apparently Fox is in talks to possibly sell their movie rights (and other things) to Disney. Which would mean Marvel would get X-Men and Fantastic Four (and all characters associated) back into their fold.


Thoughts?

I like the idea of Marvel having FF back. But X-Men? Less so. Marvel would never allow a Deadpool, or Logan, or X-Force to be made. So I'm a bit nervous about that since Deadpool and Logan were some of the best comic book movies I've seen. And do we really want a PG-13 Wolverine movie with him making jokes for 80% of it? I dunno.


Very torn on this. It would really depend if Disney would ever allow those R-rated risky movies to be made the way Fox did.
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Post by: lordxizor on November 06, 2017, 02:27:37 PM
Very torn on this. It would really depend if Disney would ever allow those R-rated risky movies to be made the way Fox did.
Both of those movies were very good, though for different reasons. But I would argue that the things that made them great were not the gratuitous violence and the f-bombs. Deadpool was a lot of fun. Thor Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy both were a blast and were PG-13. Ragnarak had bodies falling all over the place and didn't amp up the blood and gore and I didn't miss it at all. Logan was a great movie. It had a good story, characters we cared about, and great acting. I felt the over the top violence took away from the movie at times. I agree that it's unlikely Disney makes either of those movies even in a tamed down PG-13 format, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility that Disney could make great X-Men or Deadpool movies.
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Post by: Adami on November 06, 2017, 02:32:25 PM
It wasn't the f-bombs or gore that made them great, but that freedom was necessary. A PG-13 version of either would have simply been an inferior product.

No doubt that Disney could make a fine fun PG-13 movie for either, but now that we've seen what they CAN be, I doubt those family friendly versions would be as satisfying.

And for Logan, the movie is just dark and human, and lacking a bunch of fun family quips. You add a bunch of good times and jokes and so forth to Logan and it's a different movie.



I also pointed out Logan and Deadpool specifically. Disney could make better X-Men movies than Fox, no doubt. Those movies are fun family movies. I just want some of these movies to NOT be fun family movies, and I doubt Disney would consider doing that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on November 07, 2017, 06:12:22 AM
It wasn't the f-bombs or gore that made them great, but that freedom was necessary.
I definitely agree that the freedom to make the movie you want without having to ensure it conforms to a PG-13 rating makes a big difference.
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Post by: Adami on November 07, 2017, 11:56:49 PM
Weird thought about Thor (which was super fun, by the way).

Valkyrie. She was a Valkyrie. Her name isn't Valkyrie, that's what she was. The hell is her name?

It's like called a soldier Soldier.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 08, 2017, 04:29:02 AM
Scrapper 142?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on November 08, 2017, 06:39:16 AM
Brynhildr?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on November 08, 2017, 08:53:28 AM
I saw Thor last night. It was fantastic.
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Post by: gzarruk on November 08, 2017, 09:41:36 AM
Saw Thor Monday night, it was great, but it felt a little too long for me. Didn't like what happens to Thor at the end, though  ;)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 10, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
Saw Ragnarok with the boys today.  Overall, I liked it.  I knew going in that it was going to have a lighter tone to it.  I like that it actually managed to be lighthearted and dark at the same time.  Some spoilers below as I discuss some of my thoughts:

Again, I really liked the balance between lighthearted and dark.  It worked really well.

This movie highlighted why I am not a Hulk fan and have never been.  The character just doesn't do much for me.  He is such a tough character to bring any personality to.  But I can't imagine how they could have done any better in that regard than what was done here. 

A few ideas seemed rushed and half-baked.  For instance, the escape from Sakaar seemed too easy.  Also, when ragnarok happened, it was kind of a let down.  I didn't really feel any sense of loss or doom.  The planet was so empty at that point anyway, but it also seemed so small and insignificant.  I think they made a mistake by not making Asgard seem to much bigger and important.  Its destruction just seemed fairly insignificant.  Maybe a repeat viewing will change my mind.  But that, to me, was the biggest flaw.

Related to that, where are all the people?  I mean, I know that a ton of people were massacred by Hela.  But still, there were hardly any people left to get off the planet.  There should have been a ton of ships. 

Still, it was a fun movie.  I enjoyed it.  But it probably ranks in the lower half of Marvel films for me. 

A word on the ending and mid-credits scene:  So, I am guessing that is Thanos' ship.  And I am likewise guessing that the terreract is on board, which makes sense because it wouldn't have simply perished in ragnarok, and Loki pausing to gawk at it seemed to obviously point to him swiping it.  But that begs the question:  Why didn't Thor raise the issue of where the tessaract is?  He more than anyone in this film knows the infinity stones are part of a bigger play being made.  Seems like a glaring oversight.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on November 11, 2017, 05:24:59 AM
Maybe Thor was hoping that the Tesseract would be 'destroyed', or never found after Surtur laid waste to Asgard?
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on November 11, 2017, 08:18:54 AM
Or maybe he just doesn't know that the tesseract is an infinity stone? He doesn't seem to know much about them but is investigating
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Post by: BlackInk on November 11, 2017, 08:38:25 AM
He knows. I think he saw that it was one in Age of Ultron.

I just assumed it sort of slipped his mind with everything else that happened during the movie.

Also, anyone think Loki called Thanos to tell him where he could come find them?
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Post by: Adami on November 11, 2017, 01:32:05 PM
Yea, I assume Loki has the tesseract and that's how Thanos found him since he's hunting them all down. And with everything going on, it's not shocking that it slipped Thor's mind.


Anyway, so I am on the final episode of Inhumans. I was actually shocked at how not terrible the first half of episode 7 was before it all went to garbage again. They took Maximus from a mediocre but understandable villain to a generic evil mustache twirling one. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2017, 04:13:58 PM
Coming back to this:

Valkyrie. She was a Valkyrie. Her name isn't Valkyrie, that's what she was. The hell is her name?

It's like called a soldier Soldier.

I have two thoughts.  Either or both may be true, and I suspect it is a combination of both:

1.  It isn't actually like calling a soldier "Soldier."  Valkyrie isn't just her occupation--it is her title.  It is more akin to calling a king "King" or a judge "Judge."  Those would both be acceptable. 

AND/OR

2.  My understanding of the comic character that first appears in *********SPOILER************ Incredible Hulk issue #142 was called "Valkyrie," so that is what the character is called here.  I am guessing that it was originally meant to be a title rather than a name, but that after awhile, people kind of forgot and assumed it was her name.
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Post by: soupytwist on November 14, 2017, 01:31:34 AM
I just got round to seeing Thor 3 last night.  I liked it, but I didn't love it - I'd have to put it somewhere in the lower half of the Marvel film output so far.  The last 30 minutes or so were great, but the arena planet stuff I actually found quite weak, also didn't find the humour that great, a lot of the jokes missed for me (which was a letdown as I find Taika Waititi other films genuinely funny).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 14, 2017, 08:22:10 AM
Also, anyone think Loki called Thanos to tell him where he could come find them?

I hadn't thought of that, but that would be satisfying on quite a few levels.

The pace at which things tend to happen in these movies really annoys me.  Thanos should not have been able to find them so quickly.  I needed to see a lapse of time.  But if Loki tipped him off, it solves that issue.  (A lot of modern films, and especially those in the Marvel and Star Wars universes suffer from this.  Sokovia is a lot more believable if Ultron hides out for a couple of months to build his device, grow more powerful, etc.  And on and on...)

Second, although part of me likes seeing Loki being "good," it just doesn't fit his character.  He is evil, cold-blooded, and self-centered.  It doesn't make sense to see him apparently having turned over a new leaf and being buddy-buddy with Thor and the remaining survivors of Asgard.  I was starting to feel like his true nature was getting lost.  He is also calculating and willing to play the long game to get what he wants.  Knowing that he has been working toward a longer end game with Thanos would be more satisfying.  Him calling Thanos and saying, basically, "Okay, Asgard's defenses are now nonexistent, and I have it (them?) ready for you to take" makes sense.

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Post by: jingle.boy on November 14, 2017, 06:43:52 PM
For the most part, I agree with you (re: Loki's 'good-natured' persona).  In the comics, he's considered the God of Evil.  *He* was the one that brought about Ragnarok in a couple of the different iterations of it.  His loathe for Thor (and Odin for that matter) is off the charts, so the MCU characterization of him is not in sync with the comics.

However, Tom Hiddleston has done such a fantastic job with him that (imo) the MCU wanted to find a way for the audiences to love to hate him.  I think they don't want us to completely hate him (yet), despite his evil nature.  Perhaps they're just setting him up to be that completely evil character by siding 100% with Thanos?  I haven't read any of the Infinity series' yet (they're next on my to-do list), so I don't know what Loki's role is in those.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on November 18, 2017, 08:40:37 PM
Three episodes in, and The Punisher is quickly becoming a top show for me. Damn they did this one good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: NoseofNicko on November 18, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
^6 episodes in and I’m really enjoying it, but a certain event in episode 6 was really predictable.
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Post by: lonestar on November 18, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
^6 episodes in and I’m really enjoying it, but a certain event in episode 6 was really predictable.

I'll get back to this tomorrow, working through some more of Man in the High Castle now. I ain't getting shit done this weekend. :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on November 19, 2017, 09:07:00 AM
On episode 7, and my enthusiasm has faded significantly.  The writing is so weak.  There are entire subplots and side characters that serve no purpose whatsoever.  Frank and Micro are perfectly cast but given almost nothing to do.  Don't know if I can sit through another scene of Micro watching Frank interact with his estranged family via unexplained hidden CCTV footage without screaming "LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS" at the TV.

Hope it gets better from here for me  :-\
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Post by: Accelerando on November 19, 2017, 03:00:29 PM
Ok, finished. It took way too long to get there, but the last three episodes are near perfect. Should have been a 6-8 episode season. If you think of a season of television the same way you do a movie, this one had major second act problems.

It's got Man of Steel issues, in that it's like four different shows tonally. The pilfered Incredible Hulk "Lonely man" section where he's working construction under an alias was amazing. That was the only character driven story I cared about.
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Post by: Adami on November 19, 2017, 03:46:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaEcQHIX17I

Paul Rudd talking about...........stuff.
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Post by: gzarruk on November 19, 2017, 04:42:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaEcQHIX17I

Paul Rudd talking about...........stuff.

 :rollin love it!
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Post by: Podaar on November 20, 2017, 06:58:34 AM
I don't recognize the show that Accelerando is watching.  Mrs. P and I watched nine episodes of The Punisher this weekend and I've been really pleasantly surprise by how terrific the show is. All of the character driven stories are compelling (even heartbreaking at times) the acting is superb, and I think the writing is excellent. Yeah, they telegraphed one particular good guy death, but hey, sometimes that shit happens.

By the way, Amber Revah is mesmerizing to watch. Goddam, she's is pretty.

We're really looking forward to watching the rest of it.
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Post by: Shooters1221 on November 20, 2017, 07:28:01 AM
I don't recognize the show that Accelerando is watching.  Mrs. P and I watched nine episodes of The Punisher this weekend and I've been really pleasantly surprise by how terrific the show is. All of the character driven stories are compelling (even heartbreaking at times) the acting is superb, and I think the writing is excellent. Yeah, they telegraphed one particular good guy death, but hey, sometimes that shit happens.

By the way, Amber Revah is mesmerizing to watch. Goddam, she's is pretty.

We're really looking forward to watching the rest of it.

Yeah, I finished this off in a weekend...DRATZ!!! I wish I could stop myself. Quite enjoyed and have to just wait wait wait for next season. :tup
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Post by: kaos2900 on November 20, 2017, 07:37:23 AM
Finally watched Spider-Man Homecoming. Loved it. Easily my favorite marvel movie in a few years.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on November 20, 2017, 09:43:41 AM
Omg EP12......holy crap was that insane :omg:

Can anyone distinguish the word frank udders at the end? I watched it four times and still can't make it out.


On to the final.....
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Post by: bosk1 on November 20, 2017, 09:44:48 AM
Can anyone distinguish the word frank udders at the end?

:dunno:  "Natalie Portman?" 

:natalieportman:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on November 20, 2017, 10:41:23 AM
lol oops


Anyhoo, I figured it out I think (I think it was "Curtis".


Outstanding finish, was holding my breath for the last twenty minutes. Loved the closing scene of Frank joining the therapy group and talking about what happens when the war ends, very fitting end. While I feel DD1 and JJ had better villains in Fisk and Kilgrave, the overall acting and writing for Punisher were for me far superior. Tremendous show, and easily my Netflix/Marvel favorite.


I think they should bring more of this level darkness and dramato the MCU movies, there was a great potential for it in Thor, but they decided on 100 minutes of superhero slapstick, which while entertaining left the movie completely bereft of any level of drama. It could've been so much more.
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Post by: Accelerando on November 21, 2017, 05:16:17 PM
I don't recognize the show that Accelerando is watching.  Mrs. P and I watched nine episodes of The Punisher this weekend and I've been really pleasantly surprise by how terrific the show is. All of the character driven stories are compelling (even heartbreaking at times) the acting is superb, and I think the writing is excellent. Yeah, they telegraphed one particular good guy death, but hey, sometimes that shit happens.

By the way, Amber Revah is mesmerizing to watch. Goddam, she's is pretty.

We're really looking forward to watching the rest of it.

Glad you enjoyed it, but we saw the same show. That second act really dragged with filler subplots to try to make a 13 episode season order, and its clear to me. Like i said, the last handful of episodes were great, which tells me they needed to shave a few episodes for tighter storytelling.

I have high standards for these Netflix shows.. They are the best storytelling platform that Marvel Studios is dishing out. That’s why im being nitpicky if you will.

Im am in agreement with you about Amber Rose Revah. Holy hell, she’s stunning  :heart

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Post by: lonestar on November 21, 2017, 09:10:33 PM

Im am in agreement with you about Amber Rose Revah. Holy hell, she’s stunning  :heart

Thirded. She's just amazing...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: contest_sanity on November 22, 2017, 09:54:42 AM
the first three episodes of Runaways are really fucking good:

https://www.hulu.com/marvels-runaways
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Post by: Cyclopssss on November 24, 2017, 05:12:39 AM


Outstanding finish, was holding my breath for the last twenty minutes. Loved the closing scene of Frank joining the therapy group and talking about what happens when the war ends, very fitting end. While I feel DD1 and JJ had better villains in Fisk and Kilgrave, the overall acting and writing for Punisher were for me far superior. Tremendous show, and easily my Netflix/Marvel favorite.


I think they should bring more of this level darkness and dramato the MCU movies, there was a great potential for it in Thor, but they decided on 100 minutes of superhero slapstick, which while entertaining left the movie completely bereft of any level of drama. It could've been so much more.

Pretty much agreed with everything you said. The action scenes in this show were all stellar, increddibly well shot. I wonder if they'll get some award for that. I longsince held Daredevil season 1 to be top notch for the Marvel tv universe, but this one tops it with ease. The ending fight scene was unbelievably tense.
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Post by: Adami on November 25, 2017, 11:43:30 PM
Finished the Punisher.



WOAH. This is an amazing show. I loved every damn minute of it. Just the writing, directing, acting, was so top notch. Nothing felt pointless or wasted, everything served the greater story. Just incredible. Top notch show, one of the best Netflix shows.


Also saw the first 3 episodes of The Runaways. I really like it! Insanely well cast. I love how they make the parents very human and even remorseful at times. They're veering away from one dimensional bad guys, and nailing it. Also putting in the Church of the Gibborim was nice, since I felt it was unlikely that the show would actually make a bunch of giant god type thins the villains.

My one concern is how they will handle the big twist that happens in the comics. Will they keep it as planned? I kind of hope they do, cause changing it will feel really weird to me.
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Post by: contest_sanity on November 26, 2017, 09:57:59 AM
^ Glad at least someone else is watching Runaways! As you mentioned about humanizing the parents: very good choice. And in fact, I believe I saw an interview or something with one of the showrunners where he actually said, "There are no villains on this show." While I don't take that completely literally, I do think it'll be nice to see the very human motivations behind what we would normally consider evil actions.

Can't wait for episode 4 on Tuesday, and really -- MOAR of you guys should be watching!!!
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Post by: gzarruk on November 26, 2017, 09:04:15 PM
Finished the Punisher.



WOAH. This is an amazing show. I loved every damn minute of it. Just the writing, directing, acting, was so top notch. Nothing felt pointless or wasted, everything served the greater story. Just incredible. Top notch show, one of the best Netflix shows.

I've only been able to watch the first 6 episodes, but I agree with you, it is amazing! Can't wait to watch the rest of it.
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Post by: Adami on November 26, 2017, 11:12:45 PM
I was pretty nervous.

I thought Iron Fist was a HUGE step down.

Even though I mostly enjoyed it, I also thought Defenders was a step down from what it should have been. Felt very much like a half baked idea.

And when I thought it couldn't get worse than Iron Fist, they released Inhumans which was barely watchable. So I was pretty nervous about Punisher.

Luckily between Punisher and Runaways, Marvel seems to be on the upswing.

I do wonder though where The Runaways falls in all of this. Can they reference anything? Are they allowed to call Molly a mutant? Will Karolina's Skrull boyfriend eventually show up?
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Post by: contest_sanity on November 27, 2017, 12:55:07 PM
^ Almost certain they're not allowed to use the "M" word. According to the show-runners, the characters in Runaways are fully aware of the Avengers and the wider universe, but they're not going to reference them unless there is some REALLY compelling reason to do so.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 28, 2017, 10:49:34 AM
Infinity War trailer officially coming tomorrow.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on November 28, 2017, 05:03:56 PM
Infinity War trailer officially coming tomorrow.

(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/131/443/tumblr_liebpzbCOv1qdkf2k.gif?1307475753)
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Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2017, 05:32:19 PM
Saw your post earlier, Adami, but I haven't seen anything official in the usual places.  (granted, I haven't looked that hard)  What is your source?

I think the fact that people are so eagerly anticipating a trailer is a fascinating phenomenon.  I know this isn't the first movie for that to happen with, and it is just sort of a thing now for people to anticipate a trailer and then analyze it to death and try to piece together the entire film.  But with the 10 year, 18 film (assuming I counted correctly) build-up to the first Infinity War film, the anticipation is obviously justified.  Marvel has done a pretty brilliant thing here.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 28, 2017, 05:38:35 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Marvel/status/935555474555990016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookmovie.com%2Favengers%2Favengers_infinity_war%2Favengers-infinity-war-trailer-is-coming-tomorrow-check-out-the-official-announcement-teaser-a155817
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Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2017, 05:42:56 PM
:tup  Thanks!
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Post by: Adami on November 28, 2017, 05:50:01 PM
:tup  Thanks!

Hah I’m glad you asked for it, cause for a minute I started to wonder if maybe I just read an unofficial thing and got confused.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 28, 2017, 06:49:50 PM
That video is on the Marvel Entertainment YT page as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2017, 08:29:24 PM
:tup  Thanks!

Hah I’m glad you asked for it, cause for a minute I started to wonder if maybe I just read an unofficial thing and got confused.

No worries.  I hadn't actively searched for it.  But the news sites I was on that usually are up to the minute on Marvel, Star Wars, and the other hottest entertainment, were silent, which is odd.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 29, 2017, 06:35:12 AM
The hype is real!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfuNTqbHE8
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Post by: kaos2900 on November 29, 2017, 07:08:09 AM
Holy balls that looks amazing. I got goosebumps. I may have to go back and watch all the movies again.
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Post by: axeman90210 on November 29, 2017, 07:41:39 AM
Yeah, I probably need to go home and just take a cold shower for the next hour or so. Also looking into freezing myself until May 2018, Cartman style.
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Post by: The Trooper on November 29, 2017, 08:02:49 AM
Holy crap. I can not wait for this movie
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 29, 2017, 08:18:58 AM
Looks good!  I watched it twice, but went back a third time to look at a couple of scenes I was interested in that impact my own personal theory of how Thanos gets each of the stones and where the soul stone is.  I think there are a couple of scenes that are cleverly edited together here that actually have nothing to do with one another.  Can't wait until May!
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Post by: The Walrus on November 29, 2017, 08:26:06 AM
Thanos punching that guy in the head and sending him flying = releasing the Infinity War trailer after Justice League flops  :lol This looks incredible. I got chills more than once watching it.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 29, 2017, 08:35:37 AM
Even if Infinity War isn't fantastic and is just "good," Marvel deserves a TON of credit just for having a vision this big and being able to successfully execute it over such a long period of time.  Now that the end of where this has all been building to since Iron Man is in sight, I can't help but look back and be awestruck at what they have been able to pull off in terms of successfully building such a detailed, fairly consistent, deep universe. 
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Post by: Zantera on November 29, 2017, 08:44:09 AM
It's amazing how Thanos CGI in their first teaser trailer is better than the CGI on Steppenwolf in the finished version of Justice League.
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Post by: Adami on November 29, 2017, 09:00:20 AM
Looks good!  I watched it twice, but went back a third time to look at a couple of scenes I was interested in that impact my own personal theory of how Thanos gets each of the stones and where the soul stone is.  I think there are a couple of scenes that are cleverly edited together here that actually have nothing to do with one another.  Can't wait until May!

Yea, the mind stone seems to be yellow, and the stone Thanos puts in his gauntlet was blue, so likely from the tesseract that Loki gives him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on November 29, 2017, 09:06:32 AM
Anyone else find it funny they waited until after Justice League released (and flopped) to finally release this? I want a GIF of the part where Thanos punches Iron Man (at least I think that's him) where Marvel's logo is photoshopped on Thanos's head and DC's on IM's  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2017, 09:08:02 AM
Anyone else find it funny they waited until after Justice League released (and flopped) to finally release this? I want a GIF of the part where Thanos punches Iron Man (at least I think that's him) where Marvel's logo is photoshopped on Thanos's head and DC's on IM's  :lol

I mean....they had to release it eventually, and it's not like JL just came out this week.

From what I gather, they wanted to release it a bit later but at least part of it leaked and they moved up the release date.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 29, 2017, 09:10:07 AM
Looks good!  I watched it twice, but went back a third time to look at a couple of scenes I was interested in that impact my own personal theory of how Thanos gets each of the stones and where the soul stone is.  I think there are a couple of scenes that are cleverly edited together here that actually have nothing to do with one another.  Can't wait until May!

Yea, the mind stone seems to be yellow, and the stone Thanos puts in his gauntlet was blue, so likely from the tesseract that Loki gives him.
I think he may have one more at that point as well, but we cannot tell because of the way the gauntlet is turned (the one that goes on the thumb side).  But that assumes the soul stone is where I think it is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2017, 09:13:49 AM
I think the one he already had was probably the power stone from the collector. Weird though that he wouldn't have already hit up Nova and snagged that one too by that point. But we'll see.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 29, 2017, 09:17:48 AM
Looks good!  I watched it twice, but went back a third time to look at a couple of scenes I was interested in that impact my own personal theory of how Thanos gets each of the stones and where the soul stone is.  I think there are a couple of scenes that are cleverly edited together here that actually have nothing to do with one another.  Can't wait until May!

Yea, the mind stone seems to be yellow, and the stone Thanos puts in his gauntlet was blue, so likely from the tesseract that Loki gives him.
I think he may have one more at that point as well, but we cannot tell because of the way the gauntlet is turned (the one that goes on the thumb side).  But that assumes the soul stone is where I think it is.

When we see him put the blue (Space) stone in the Gauntlet, the purple (Power) stone was already in there (@ 1:49, you can see the purple stone on the index finger pretty clearly).  And I'm pretty sure it's Spidey that Thanos is going 1-1 with in a couple of clips.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 29, 2017, 09:23:02 AM
See, I don't think the scene late in the trailer where he is adding a second (possibly third) stone to the gauntlet is on earth and that it follows the scene where he apparently takes the mind stone from vision.  I think it's...somewhere else, and that that scene happens prior to Thanos arriving on earth (and he will then use the space stone to get to earth).  But what is throwing me is that there appears to be a big battle taking place in Wakanda, which may support that the soul stone is there (a theory I had personally discounted in favor of two other theories I felt were more plausible).
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Post by: The Walrus on November 29, 2017, 09:24:35 AM
Anyone else find it funny they waited until after Justice League released (and flopped) to finally release this? I want a GIF of the part where Thanos punches Iron Man (at least I think that's him) where Marvel's logo is photoshopped on Thanos's head and DC's on IM's  :lol

I mean....they had to release it eventually, and it's not like JL just came out this week.

From what I gather, they wanted to release it a bit later but at least part of it leaked and they moved up the release date.

Thanks for raining on my fun, Adami :) Yeah, this trailer is noticeably different from the leaked one that came out a long time ago.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on November 29, 2017, 09:30:51 AM
See, I don't think the scene late in the trailer where he is adding a second (possibly third) stone to the gauntlet is on earth and that it follows the scene where he apparently takes the mind stone from vision.

I agree.

Interesting to see how this plays out, because doesn't the collector have both the Power (purple/orb) and Reality (red/aether)?  So, if Thanos snatches the purple from The Collector, wouldn't he also grab the red at the same time?  And if it's purple/index and blue/middle, that's not following any of the color schemes used in other promo pics, or the comics - not that really matters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 29, 2017, 09:33:38 AM
See, I don't think the scene late in the trailer where he is adding a second (possibly third) stone to the gauntlet is on earth and that it follows the scene where he apparently takes the mind stone from vision.

I agree.

Interesting to see how this plays out, because doesn't the collector have both the Power (purple/orb) and Reality (red/aether)?  So, if Thanos snatches the purple from The Collector, wouldn't he also grab the red at the same time?  And if it's purple/index and blue/middle, that's not following any of the color schemes used in other promo pics, or the comics - not that really matters.

No, the purple is on Nova Prime, remember?  Only the red is with the Collector.  And I don't know that they will necessarily follow the color scheme of the comics.  The stones themselves already don't correspond, so I doubt the color positioning in the gauntlet will

If you like, I can tell you my theory.  It is all speculative, but some may consider it spoilery even though it is just one fan guessing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
OH Yea. Totally forgot that the power stone was with nova. And it’s likely Loki isn’t handing that over on earth. It’s probably on their ship. Maybe the collector is next on his stop.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on November 29, 2017, 09:42:33 AM
OH Yea. Totally forgot that the power stone was with nova. And it’s likely Loki isn’t handing that over on earth. It’s probably on their ship. Maybe the collector is next on his stop.

Ditto.  Never did re-watch GOTG 1.

I wouldn't be surprised if Thanos' acquisition of purple and/or red don't get a lot of (or any) screen time, just a quick verbal explanation... maybe a flashback scene.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 29, 2017, 10:01:15 AM
OH Yea. Totally forgot that the power stone was with nova. And it’s likely Loki isn’t handing that over on earth. It’s probably on their ship. Maybe the collector is next on his stop.

Ditto.  Never did re-watch GOTG 1.

I wouldn't be surprised if Thanos' acquisition of purple and/or red don't get a lot of (or any) screen time, just a quick verbal explanation... maybe a flashback scene.

Yeah, same here.  So, here's how I think it loosely plays out:  **maybe spoilers, since I am basing this off info in the trailer, Ragnorok, and the D23 trailer leaked footage**

Pretty sure that was Thanos' ship at the end of Ragnarok.  So, he is showing up to get the space stone, at minimum.  I also buy into the Heimdall theory that he has the soul stone.  It is consistent with his powers and the otherwise inexplicable orange color of his eyes.  The only other locations that make sense for the soul stone are:

-Wakanda:  At first, I didn't buy into this theory at all.  And three infinity stones on earth, an otherwise insignificant planet?  If both the time stone and soul stone were there previously, why didn't Thanos or somebody else of interest make a play long before the Avengers existed and, thus, long before earth could even think of defending itself?  But it might make sense that the soul stone came to earth on the same asteroid that brought vibranium, and that it is the source of Wakanda's mystical powers.  Plus, the fact that there appears to be a large battle in Wakanda in the trailer is lending support for it be potentially be there.  Still, I just feel that that is a long shot.

-Some other previously-undisclosed location:  Highly possible since the sky is the limit.  The problem is, there will need to be a fair amount of exposition devoted solely to this new place, right?  We have to feel invested and feel the stakes, right?  Not sure they can do that in a single film that is going to have so much more going on as it is.

Heimdall having it requires minimal exposition and set-up.  He has it.  It is the source of his power to see the souls of all the folks in the galaxy.  Thanos shows up and gets a two-fer'.  And I think Loki is likely in on it and was the one to alert Thanos to their position in the first place.  (if not, we have the same maddening issue as Han and Chewie instantaneously finding the Millenium Falcon in TFA--too much serendipity and too little lapse of time to make it convincing)

This leads into the footage from the leaked D23 teaser.  The Guardians find Thor's body floating in space.  Presumably, this is after the battle with Thanos where he takes the blue and maybe orange stones and, also presumably, thumps Thor and leaves him for dead.  The Guardians find him.  And then I can see either of two scenarios playing out that both end up in the same place:

-Scenario 1:  Thanos has already taken the power stone from Nova Prime and/or the ether from the Collector.  The Guardians are trying to stop him, but arrive too late.  They find Thor, and after reviving him, realize that Thanos is on his way to earth.  Lots of stuff happens on earth.  The Guardians eventually arrive with Thor.  But they are too late because Thanos has won and taken all the stones.  Bad guys clearly have the advantage.  Cut to credits.

-Scenario 2:  The Guardians are there for some other reason.  Once they revive Thor and find out Thanos' plan, they realize that two other stones are in jeopardy that are on Nova Prime and with the Collector.  They basically chase Thanos around the galaxy, each time arriving too late to do anything about it, but eventually arrive on earth with Thor.  But they are too late because Thanos has won and taken all the stones.  Bad guys clearly have the advantage.  Cut to credits.

I think either of those work.  And, yeah, none of this is earth shattering.  But best I can tell, I think the big picture outline of the film is likely to follow something like that. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TioJorge on November 29, 2017, 10:50:32 AM
Even if Infinity War isn't fantastic and is just "good," Marvel deserves a TON of credit just for having a vision this big and being able to successfully execute it over such a long period of time.  Now that the end of where this has all been building to since Iron Man is in sight, I can't help but look back and be awestruck at what they have been able to pull off in terms of successfully building such a detailed, fairly consistent, deep universe.

Definitely this. I am so over 99% of the superhero shit coming out these days, but watching this gave me the bumps of geese and I'm definitely going to see this in the theaters. It may well be the last one I give a shit about until there's a long break or till the inevitable reboots (or change in characters/paradigm).

I was surprised how much I loved The Punisher but that was obviously completely different from anything else they've done on a whole lot of levels. This, like Bosk said, is just the end of the line for what can be considered small beginnings and a plan that probably a whole lot of people thought either wouldn't come to fruition or would be a shell of what the original vision was. They've gone above and beyond.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 29, 2017, 11:03:21 AM
Yeah, I have avidly gobbled up all the related films and a good deal of the tv stuff just to be a completist. After the final Infinity Wars film, I will probably be a bit more selective and only see ones that individually interest me, as my interest in the genre is starting to wane a bit.  But I am still very interested in the overall Infinity Gauntlet saga and can't wait to see how it all turns out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: kaos2900 on November 29, 2017, 11:33:25 AM
Anyone have a list of each individual infinity stone and what movie they appeared in?

Also, it sounds like starting with phase 4 the MCU is going to change quite a bit.
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Post by: Podaar on November 29, 2017, 11:41:07 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/YVlmw9V.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on November 29, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
^ Excellent Graphic.  "Coincidentally"...

T - Tesseract (Space)
H -  (Soul)
A - Aether (Reality)
N - Necklace / Eye of Agamotto (Time)
O - Orb (Power)
S - Sceptre (Mind)
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Post by: bosk1 on November 29, 2017, 11:59:55 AM
^ Excellent Graphic.  "Coincidentally"...

T - Tesseract (Space)
H -  (Soul)
A - Aether (Reality)
N - Necklace / Eye of Agamotto (Time)
O - Orb (Power)
S - Sceptre (Mind)


I've seen that thrown around.  And, I dunno, it could be true.  But it just seems silly to me that it is anything but a fan theory where someone stretched and found descriptive words that fit without that ever having been the intent of anyone at Marvel. 

...but "H" does fit my theory, so...  :biggrin:
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 29, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
5/6 seems a little far from coincidence or a stretch.  Though, technically now the Mind stone should be "V", and he ain't named Thanov.  Marvel/Fiege doesn't do anything by coincidence... why put the stones in such specifically named things as Tesseract, Aether, Orb... along with a Necklace and a Sceptre/Staff?  When the stones could go any number of a million different things or places, this seems far more than a coincidence.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on November 29, 2017, 01:53:14 PM
What is this, a MCU trailer with no jokes??? DEAL BREAKER

The trailer I saw at D23 very much matches this one, but this has different footage and is cut to be a trailer than an expo showcase. Also, the one I watched at D23 kinda spoiled the ending for Ragnarok

Im still not impressed with Thanos, but I have to say, he looked better in his past appearances in these films than for Infinity Wars. With the complaints that Steppenwolf looked bad in JL, Thanos isnt too far behind. Disney is known to do a lot of post-production work so hopefully by May, they can add some density to him.

Im always looking forward to see what the Russo Bros have in store. Im glad Marvel gave this to them and not Joss Whedon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ErHaO on November 30, 2017, 12:28:16 PM
Good trailer, I really look forward to this film. Still, I am little bit worried about the amount of characters they will have to juggle around with and the fact that it will be a standalone film. The scope is huge. The Russo's did a very impressive job with Civil War, which managed to juggle many different types of characters (personality wise but also power wise) and give them all a clear arc and character motivation and make them work together on a screen. But this film will have all those characters and much more. From what I gather, I think we will see three main crews for most of the film, Cap/BP/Hulk & co, Stark/Spidey/Strange, and Thor/Guardians. Probably with Cap, Stark, and Thor as the "lead" heroes, just like Cap and Stark were in Civil War for their respective teams. And I assume that Thanos will get a decent amount of screen time, they really can't waste him like Ultron or many other MCU villains.

I hope for this milestone in cinema (yes, I think it absolutely is in terms of scope), they go full on Lord of the Rings and make it a long ass film with potentially an extended edition. I don't think Disney/Marvel will, but I feel like this film could easily warrant a long running time and accompanied costs.

What is this, a MCU trailer with no jokes??? DEAL BREAKER

I know you joke, but the first third or so of Civil War was pretty serious. I expect that when Thanos is going to wreck shit in an early act, the film will be dead serious for a while. And looking at the job these directors did with the Winter Soldier and Civil War, probably the most serious MCU flicks, I think it will work.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 30, 2017, 12:55:00 PM
Good trailer, I really look forward to this film. Still, I am little bit worried about the amount of characters they will have to juggle around with and the fact that it will be a standalone film. The scope is huge. The Russo's did a very impressive job with Civil War, which managed to juggle many different types of characters (personality wise but also power wise) and give them all a clear arc and character motivation and make them work together on a screen. But this film will have all those characters and much more. From what I gather, I think we will see three main crews for most of the film, Cap/BP/Hulk & co, Stark/Spidey/Strange, and Thor/Guardians. Probably with Cap, Stark, and Thor as the "lead" heroes, just like Cap and Stark were in Civil War for their respective teams. And I assume that Thanos will get a decent amount of screen time, they really can't waste him like Ultron or many other MCU villains.

I'm not as concerned.  Yes, it is a huge undertaking.  But they've also had 10 years to set up a lot of these characters.  For all the major heroes, they've each been in at least two films prior to this, and some many more than that.  We know quite a bit about them and their motivations.  On the villain side, while it is true that we don't know much about the Black Order yet, even Thanos has gotten some back story and exposition in a few end credits scenes and both GOTG films.  So even he isn't a brand new blank slate.  And don't forget that we have Avengers 4 and possibly the two films in between to fill in some gaps as well.  So, yeah, there's a lot going on with this many characters.  But in terms of content, we already have a ton that fleshes them out, so it's not like it all needs to be done in Avengers 3 and 4 alone. 

My oldest son really liked the trailer and watched it a bunch of times, and kept pausing in different spots to assess certain shots.  He also asked me to find the D23 footage, so we pulled that up and watched it.  There is a version out now that is much cleaner than the one I first saw a few months ago.  I didn't realize how much of it is recycled footage from prior films.  Still pretty good though.  The Guardians/Thor clips really bridge the gap between Ragnarok and what we see in the Infinity War trailer.  My son commented that this trailer is even better than the one for Ragnarok, which was also really good.  Come to think of it, Marvel has really had some VERY good trailers for a lot of their films.  I don't recall many of them.  But off the top of my head, the ones for Civil War, Ant Man, Age of Ultron, Ragnarok, and now this one have all been really good.  Probably others as well that I am not thinking of.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on November 30, 2017, 09:02:37 PM
Good trailer, I really look forward to this film. Still, I am little bit worried about the amount of characters they will have to juggle around with and the fact that it will be a standalone film. The scope is huge. The Russo's did a very impressive job with Civil War, which managed to juggle many different types of characters (personality wise but also power wise) and give them all a clear arc and character motivation and make them work together on a screen. But this film will have all those characters and much more. From what I gather, I think we will see three main crews for most of the film, Cap/BP/Hulk & co, Stark/Spidey/Strange, and Thor/Guardians. Probably with Cap, Stark, and Thor as the "lead" heroes, just like Cap and Stark were in Civil War for their respective teams. And I assume that Thanos will get a decent amount of screen time, they really can't waste him like Ultron or many other MCU villains.

I'm not as concerned.  Yes, it is a huge undertaking.  But they've also had 10 years to set up a lot of these characters.  For all the major heroes, they've each been in at least two films prior to this, and some many more than that.  We know quite a bit about them and their motivations.  On the villain side, while it is true that we don't know much about the Black Order yet, even Thanos has gotten some back story and exposition in a few end credits scenes and both GOTG films.  So even he isn't a brand new blank slate.  And don't forget that we have Avengers 4 and possibly the two films in between to fill in some gaps as well.  So, yeah, there's a lot going on with this many characters.  But in terms of content, we already have a ton that fleshes them out, so it's not like it all needs to be done in Avengers 3 and 4 alone. 

My oldest son really liked the trailer and watched it a bunch of times, and kept pausing in different spots to assess certain shots.  He also asked me to find the D23 footage, so we pulled that up and watched it.  There is a version out now that is much cleaner than the one I first saw a few months ago.  I didn't realize how much of it is recycled footage from prior films.  Still pretty good though.  The Guardians/Thor clips really bridge the gap between Ragnarok and what we see in the Infinity War trailer.  My son commented that this trailer is even better than the one for Ragnarok, which was also really good.  Come to think of it, Marvel has really had some VERY good trailers for a lot of their films.  I don't recall many of them.  But off the top of my head, the ones for Civil War, Ant Man, Age of Ultron, Ragnarok, and now this one have all been really good.  Probably others as well that I am not thinking of.

Agree with all of this, Bosk :tup

I remember being specially amazed at the AOU trailer, a few years ago. And when I watched this trailer for the first time, it was even better!

About the theories of where the last stone is, I think it's on Wakanda, otherwise, there's no reason for Thanos' army to go there. Also, Wakanda is supposedly very well hidden from the rest of the world, so, unless they change that in the BP movie, I think it's pretty safe to say that the soul stone is hidden somewhere in Wakanda.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2017, 09:06:34 PM
Another possibility, thought there's nothing supporting this, is having Dr. Strange hide out in Wakanda and Thanos is there for the time stone. When we see the Bruce at first, he's with Strange. Then at the big Wakanda fight, he's there.

So it's....possible?
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Post by: gzarruk on November 30, 2017, 09:16:17 PM
Another possibility, thought there's nothing supporting this, is having Dr. Strange hide out in Wakanda and Thanos is there for the time stone. When we see the Bruce at first, he's with Strange. Then at the big Wakanda fight, he's there.

So it's....possible?

But didn't we see him with Tony Stark on New York when that ship arrives?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2017, 09:18:46 PM
Another possibility, thought there's nothing supporting this, is having Dr. Strange hide out in Wakanda and Thanos is there for the time stone. When we see the Bruce at first, he's with Strange. Then at the big Wakanda fight, he's there.

So it's....possible?

But didn't we see him with Tony Stark on New York when that ship arrives?

Yea, so Bruce is in both places at some point. And Rodie's with him also in Wakanda. Pretty sure that shot of the Hulk Buster was also around Wakanda. Seems possible that the whole team is there at some point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on November 30, 2017, 09:22:35 PM
Another possibility, thought there's nothing supporting this, is having Dr. Strange hide out in Wakanda and Thanos is there for the time stone. When we see the Bruce at first, he's with Strange. Then at the big Wakanda fight, he's there.

So it's....possible?

But didn't we see him with Tony Stark on New York when that ship arrives?

Yea, so Bruce is in both places at some point. And Rodie's with him also in Wakanda. Pretty sure that shot of the Hulk Buster was also around Wakanda. Seems possible that the whole team is there at some point.

Touché.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on November 30, 2017, 11:01:05 PM
Another theory..... totally from my own imagination....

We KNOW that there will be another (as yet untitled) Avengers film.   This was originally supposed to be "Infinity War Part 2", but then was mysteriously changed to the "untitled" thing.

I personally think this might be a fake out.   I think Infinity War still may be a 2-part story, and they just don't want to spoil the cliffhanger that's coming.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2017, 11:10:24 PM
Yea, I don't think it's at all likely that Avengers 4 is just completely its own thing. It's coming out a year later. It was planned to shoot at the same time. It's the only time there's been 2 Avengers film in the same phase. So whether it's called Infinity Gauntlet, or whatever, it's obviously connected. I don't think Infinity War will be just a big lead in though. They've said quite a number of times that it's not that.


Also as far as Thanos, they've said he is almost a lead character in this film and gets a good amount of screen time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2017, 08:01:32 AM
Another possibility, thought there's nothing supporting this, is having Dr. Strange hide out in Wakanda and Thanos is there for the time stone. When we see the Bruce at first, he's with Strange. Then at the big Wakanda fight, he's there.

So it's....possible?

Yeah, as I mentioned, the fact that there is a huge battle in what appears to be Wakanda was making me reluctantly think it is there as well.  But that isn't necessarily true.  It could very well be that they end up in Wakanda for some other reason, like what you mentioned.  Maybe Strange goes there because of its hidden nature to try to hide the time stone from Thanos.  Maybe they go there to get vibranium thinking they can use it to make another infinity gauntlet or some other weapon to fight Thanos.  Who knows?  There could be any number of reasons we just haven't thought of.

Another theory..... totally from my own imagination....

We KNOW that there will be another (as yet untitled) Avengers film.   This was originally supposed to be "Infinity War Part 2", but then was mysteriously changed to the "untitled" thing.

I personally think this might be a fake out.   I think Infinity War still may be a 2-part story, and they just don't want to spoil the cliffhanger that's coming.

No, the movie wasn't changed.  Only the title was changed.  There is a story in Variety from last year saying that the title change somehow means the second movie is something other than the infinity war story.  But there is no evidence from that, other than them citing to the announcement that the title of Avengers 4 would not be "Infinity War 2."  Well, duh.  That would be kind of a stupid name, and I think most of us recognized that it was more or less of just a working title anyway.  But every indication from Marvel is that it is a continuation of the infinity war story and will be the conclusion of that entire arc.  I don't think they've ever tried to lead us to think otherwise, so I don't think there is any "fake out" involved.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on December 01, 2017, 09:50:45 AM
The way I think it'll happen:

- Infinity War: Thanos collecting the gems and beating the crap out of the Avengers. The movie ends with him doing something SO HUGE with the full gauntlet that it ends on a cliffhanger, probably a couple small deaths from the team or a big, surprising one.

- Next Avengers movie: Them coming together after what happened on the previous movie and beating Thanos, even if that costs them even more heroes.

And, from there, you kickstart the next MCU phase.
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Post by: Adami on December 01, 2017, 09:52:57 AM
I'm curious how they'll handle the break between the movies. I mean, Marvel will have like 2-3 other movies come out in that mean time. Obviously Captain Marvel won't impact the break since it's set in the 90's, but I think Ant-Man and the Wasp takes place between them. I doubt they'll just leave the battle, do some small adventure and them come back. So there will likely be some kind of gap in the real time of Marvel between the movies where a real year or so has to pass in story time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: kaos2900 on December 01, 2017, 09:56:23 AM
The way I think it'll happen:

- Infinity War: Thanos collecting the gems and beating the crap out of the Avengers. The movie ends with him doing something SO HUGE with the full gauntlet that it ends on a cliffhanger, probably a couple small deaths from the team or a big, surprising one.

- Next Avengers movie: Them coming together after what happened on the previous movie and beating Thanos, even if that costs them even more heroes.

And, from there, you kickstart the next MCU phase.

That seems very logical. Marvel has already said Phase 4 is going to be drastically different. I believe the only 2 announced Phase 4 films is Spider-Man 2 and Gaurdians 3.

I'm curious how they'll handle the break between the movies. I mean, Marvel will have like 2-3 other movies come out in that mean time. Obviously Captain Marvel won't impact the break since it's set in the 90's, but I think Ant-Man and the Wasp takes place between them. I doubt they'll just leave the battle, do some small adventure and them come back. So there will likely be some kind of gap in the real time of Marvel between the movies where a real year or so has to pass in story time.

I thought I read that Ant-Man and the Wasp is taking place after Civil War.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2017, 10:06:13 AM
I'm curious how they'll handle the break between the movies. I mean, Marvel will have like 2-3 other movies come out in that mean time. Obviously Captain Marvel won't impact the break since it's set in the 90's, but I think Ant-Man and the Wasp takes place between them. I doubt they'll just leave the battle, do some small adventure and them come back. So there will likely be some kind of gap in the real time of Marvel between the movies where a real year or so has to pass in story time.

Just speculation, but I don't think maybe Infinity War ends on a traditional "cliffhanger."  I think maybe Thanos wins, but doesn't destroy the earth and leaves to go and basically fry bigger fish.  But they know they have to stop him, so some other stuff happens while they regroup, and maybe that's how the other films play in.  Captain Marvel is supposed to be set in the '90s.  Maybe she arrives on the scene at the end of Infinity War, but just as a quick appearance and doesn't have a chance to do anything yet.  Then we get the Captain Marvel film to give us her backstory before more fully introducing her in action in the next film.  Meanwhile, Ant Man and Wasp have to deal with some other threat and explore the quantum realm, which, along with the appearance of Captain Marvel, ends up playing a part in how they ultimately defeat Thanos in the final film.  Or something like that.
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Post by: gzarruk on December 01, 2017, 10:08:16 AM
I was going to post a completely different theory I thought of, but I think Bosk's post makes more sense than what I was going to say :lol :biggrin:
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Post by: Adami on December 01, 2017, 10:27:02 AM
Yea, that makes sense. I also just read that Ant-Man ant the Wasp will be post Civil War. Weird time to release it, but it's now looking like both movies released between Avengers will take place prior to Infinity War.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 01, 2017, 02:21:02 PM
Death predictions.... Thor, Cap, Iron Man, Spidey, Vision.  I'd also put Sam and Rhodey on the watch list.  The only ones who are (should be?) safe (imo) are Dr. Strange, Bucky, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther and Hulk. 

Thor... other's can carry the title "Thor"
Cap ... ditto, and I think he stays dead
Iron Man... Marvel can't afford RDJ anymore, and he's said he doesn't want to be Tony Stark for the rest of his life.
Spidey ... for a twist, in that he'll 'come back' via something to do with the Time or Reality gem
Vision ... ditto.  Or maybe he just stays dead.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2017, 02:42:35 PM
Nope.  Info on who dies was leaked.  And you'll find it follows a familiar pattern.

Thor
Hulk
Ant Man
Nebula
Okoye
Scarlet Witch

Nothing is unintentional.
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Post by: Podaar on December 01, 2017, 02:47:29 PM
 :rollin
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Post by: bosk1 on December 01, 2017, 02:51:19 PM
Do you even know how long it took me to come up with a character that starts with "O"??
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Post by: The Walrus on December 01, 2017, 03:04:20 PM
My two cents: I don't think Spidey will get the axe even as a twist - my money is he cuts it close but is saved at the last minute by someone, likely Tony. That's just my prediction, could be 100% wrong here. I just don't want my favorite superhero to die at all :)

I do strongly believe Thor, Cap, and Stark will bite the dust which is going to be really hard to watch. Still wince when I see Thanos laying Iron Man out cold in the trailer. And uh, apparently I need to see Ragnarok, what with Thor having an eyepatch...
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 01, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
Nope.  Info on who dies was leaked.  And you'll find it follows a familiar pattern.

Thor
Hulk
Ant Man
Nebula
Okoye
Scarlet Witch

Nothing is unintentional.

That post is worthy of both ...

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and ...

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I was wondering who the fuck Okoye was.  :D  Happy as the "H" option would've been more believable.   ;)
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Post by: NoseofNicko on December 01, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
Finally watched Spider-Man: Homecoming. It was very entertaining and had a lot of funny moments (the Interrogation Mode part was hilarious)! Great movie.
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Post by: Spiritus on December 02, 2017, 02:22:04 AM
Three episodes in, and The Punisher is quickly becoming a top show for me. Damn they did this one good.

 I just finished the first episode because of you guys talking about it. I'm hooked.   :metal
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Post by: BlackInk on December 02, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
Finished Punisher today. I really liked the first few episodes, then there were a few where it sort of slowed down but I still liked it. But the last few episodes were fantastic.

Also, Agents of Shield returned last night. It was a bit out there, maybe a little too much, but still pretty interesting, and fun as always.
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Post by: TioJorge on December 03, 2017, 06:14:33 PM
T- These
H- Horrible
A- Assumptions
N- Now
O- Officially
S- Stupid

#Nothingisunintentional#genius#money#FFFFFFFFFFFF-
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Post by: ErHaO on December 05, 2017, 10:42:37 AM
Well, if Marvel does end up buying Fox, I guess we know what lies beyond phase 4 of the MCU in the further future (X-men, deadpool, and Fantastic Four). Makes me excited on one hand, but dissapointed on the other if it ends up happening. I don't see Disney putting out stuff like Logan or Deadpool earlier this year. And I liked having a seperate Marvel film series by a different company that for each fuckup also managed to make a good/great flick.

Also, in terms of Marvel tv,/netflix, Agents of Shield season 4 is by far the best for me personally. Too bad that show started out on the shoddy first season. Punisher was a nice surprise recently, after the in my opinion mediocre/bad Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and Defenders. I just think the slow/sidetracked middle part of the Punisher keeps it from being one of the top series.

Good trailer, I really look forward to this film. Still, I am little bit worried about the amount of characters they will have to juggle around with and the fact that it will be a standalone film. The scope is huge. The Russo's did a very impressive job with Civil War, which managed to juggle many different types of characters (personality wise but also power wise) and give them all a clear arc and character motivation and make them work together on a screen. But this film will have all those characters and much more. From what I gather, I think we will see three main crews for most of the film, Cap/BP/Hulk & co, Stark/Spidey/Strange, and Thor/Guardians. Probably with Cap, Stark, and Thor as the "lead" heroes, just like Cap and Stark were in Civil War for their respective teams. And I assume that Thanos will get a decent amount of screen time, they really can't waste him like Ultron or many other MCU villains.

I'm not as concerned.  Yes, it is a huge undertaking.  But they've also had 10 years to set up a lot of these characters.  For all the major heroes, they've each been in at least two films prior to this, and some many more than that.  We know quite a bit about them and their motivations.  On the villain side, while it is true that we don't know much about the Black Order yet, even Thanos has gotten some back story and exposition in a few end credits scenes and both GOTG films.  So even he isn't a brand new blank slate.  And don't forget that we have Avengers 4 and possibly the two films in between to fill in some gaps as well.  So, yeah, there's a lot going on with this many characters.  But in terms of content, we already have a ton that fleshes them out, so it's not like it all needs to be done in Avengers 3 and 4 alone. 

My oldest son really liked the trailer and watched it a bunch of times, and kept pausing in different spots to assess certain shots.  He also asked me to find the D23 footage, so we pulled that up and watched it.  There is a version out now that is much cleaner than the one I first saw a few months ago.  I didn't realize how much of it is recycled footage from prior films.  Still pretty good though.  The Guardians/Thor clips really bridge the gap between Ragnarok and what we see in the Infinity War trailer.  My son commented that this trailer is even better than the one for Ragnarok, which was also really good.  Come to think of it, Marvel has really had some VERY good trailers for a lot of their films.  I don't recall many of them.  But off the top of my head, the ones for Civil War, Ant Man, Age of Ultron, Ragnarok, and now this one have all been really good.  Probably others as well that I am not thinking of.

Yeah, those are fair points. I really want Marvel to nail this one. Their trailer game has been ace indeed.
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Post by: contest_sanity on December 05, 2017, 12:27:44 PM
Feels like a lot of ppl are sleeping on Runaways. It's really fucking good! Episode 5 tonight on Hulu. Promise I'm not one of the cast members secretly plugging the show at every opportunity. I'm no Derek Sherinian, lol...
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Post by: Adami on December 05, 2017, 12:29:40 PM
Feels like a lot of ppl are sleeping on Runaways. It's really fucking good! Episode 5 tonight on Hulu. Promise I'm not one of the cast members secretly plugging the show at every opportunity. I'm no Derek Sherinian, lol...

I really like it. I haven't seen Episode 5 yet, but I was let down by episode 4 to be honest. It felt like padding/filler.

Also.......when are they going to run away? Maybe they do in episode 5.


Watching Episode 5 right now, I'll write my thoughts in small font since they contain potential spoilers from the comics




So I'm a bit annoyed with some things. They seem to be hinting at Chase being the person to betray everyone, instead of Alex. I would hate that since I'm pretty invested in Chase and Gert being together. Also they changed how Nico uses the Staff of One. In the comics she says weird phrases that hint at what she wants, I have no idea why they would change that to her just thinking stuff. Also Karolina BETTER be a lesbian alien, even if she doesn't end up with a Skrull.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 11, 2017, 05:48:09 PM
So as the Disney/Fox deal gets closer, I learned something interesting.

Fox doesn't own Fantastic Four. Some weird European (I think German) company does. I wonder if Marvel will still find a way to get those rights back, especially since those are the only rights I care about them getting back right now.
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Post by: gzarruk on December 11, 2017, 10:04:29 PM
So as the Disney/Fox deal gets closer, I learned something interesting.

Fox doesn't own Fantastic Four. Some weird European (I think German) company does. I wonder if Marvel will still find a way to get those rights back, especially since those are the only rights I care about them getting back right now.

I think the deal with FF is that they have to keep making movies with them every once in a while to keep the rights. Now, with Fox being acquired by Disney, maybe no one will be making these movies the rights will, eventually, return to Marvel? :huh:
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Post by: Adami on December 12, 2017, 01:54:48 PM
Eh so I think I'm losing interest in The Runaways.

No magic, only science?
No aliens?
No mutants?
No time travel?
NO RUNNING AWAY?!?!?!


I mean, the comics were amazing. I understand some of the changes, but most of these just seem pointless and are watering it down way too much.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on December 16, 2017, 01:23:09 AM
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 was pretty good, but not great. It was entertaining, but i felt a little bored at times. They sure are getting good with that reverse aging CGI though.
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Post by: Adami on December 19, 2017, 08:31:22 PM
Okay I'm close to giving up on Runaways.

It's getting REALLY dumb. Super typical CW melodramatic.

Also, since she's on screen, I feel like they wrote Molly to be the 9 or whatever year old that she is in the comics, but then cast a 14 year old to play her and it is really awful.

Also they need to change the name to "Kids who live at home with their parents and show no sign of ever running away"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on December 23, 2017, 02:18:46 AM
Sticking with Runaways because it’s MCU, it’s interesting enough, and the characters are decent. Except Molly, the idiot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 26, 2017, 10:09:44 PM
Episode 8 of the Runaways.

STILL HAVEN'T RUN AWAY
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Post by: jammindude on December 26, 2017, 11:24:10 PM
I feel like Ive barely touched the surface, and yet Marvel is already my favorite thing to happen to modern day entertainment.   Yesterday, I binged watched a bit more of Agents of SHIELD.   I'm up to Episode 17 of Season one, and I'm having such a blast.   Finding out Ward was with Hydra just blew my doors off.   I like seeing the Hydra story lines get a bit more fleshed out because it seems like the whole Hydra thing got abandoned in the movies.   
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Post by: lordxizor on December 27, 2017, 08:25:42 AM
Kinda wish I had stuck with Agents of Shield. I gave up halfway through season one when it wasn't very good, but I've heard it's much better now. I don't have the time to binge watch shows to catch up.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 27, 2017, 08:28:41 AM
I feel like Ive barely touched the surface, and yet Marvel is already my favorite thing to happen to modern day entertainment.   Yesterday, I binged watched a bit more of Agents of SHIELD.   I'm up to Episode 17 of Season one, and I'm having such a blast.   Finding out Ward was with Hydra just blew my doors off.   I like seeing the Hydra story lines get a bit more fleshed out because it seems like the whole Hydra thing got abandoned in the movies.   
Oh, wow.  You've got a LOT of fun stuff ahead of you.
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Post by: BlackInk on December 28, 2017, 03:54:38 AM
Severely disappointed with the handling of Chase’s character in the most recent Runaways episode. I could completely relate to his position as the argument began but the writers displayed uncharacteristic levels of stupidity with him when they had him smash the computer. Goddam it, that’s the sort of shit that turns me against certain shows.
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Post by: contest_sanity on December 28, 2017, 11:38:00 PM
^ I mean, Chase had def been through some traumatic shit in that episode, so I can understand him being kinda out of control, but for the story to allow him to completely destroy the laptop? Yeah, you kinda wonder: well, where do they go from here? I guess they perhaps now have Molly's vhs tape as a backup, and maybe Frank Dean as a possible adult ally, but it will be interesting to see what happens now...
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Post by: axeman90210 on December 29, 2017, 08:21:09 AM
I feel like Ive barely touched the surface, and yet Marvel is already my favorite thing to happen to modern day entertainment.   Yesterday, I binged watched a bit more of Agents of SHIELD.   I'm up to Episode 17 of Season one, and I'm having such a blast.   Finding out Ward was with Hydra just blew my doors off.   I like seeing the Hydra story lines get a bit more fleshed out because it seems like the whole Hydra thing got abandoned in the movies.   
Oh, wow.  You've got a LOT of fun stuff ahead of you.

You still current? How do you like the current run of episodes?
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Post by: bosk1 on December 29, 2017, 08:42:07 AM
I feel like Ive barely touched the surface, and yet Marvel is already my favorite thing to happen to modern day entertainment.   Yesterday, I binged watched a bit more of Agents of SHIELD.   I'm up to Episode 17 of Season one, and I'm having such a blast.   Finding out Ward was with Hydra just blew my doors off.   I like seeing the Hydra story lines get a bit more fleshed out because it seems like the whole Hydra thing got abandoned in the movies.   
Oh, wow.  You've got a LOT of fun stuff ahead of you.

You still current? How do you like the current run of episodes?
Actually, I had forgotten that it started again.  Shoot, I hope I remembered to DVR it...

I have a question about the Netflix shows for all y'all.  The only one I have watched is Daredevil.  Overall, I liked a lot about it, but I did find it kind of tedious to get through.  And the VERY dark, violent nature of it, as well as some of the other adult content, meant that it wasn't something we could just pop on the tv anytime with the kids.  It was strictly a "the kids have finally gone to bed and we have enough time to get through an episode before I pass out" viewing experience, which made it logistically challenging to watch.  My ongoing challenge is that my wife kinda lost interest, and we are now pretty far behind the curve in terms of all the other Netflix Marvel shows that have popped up.  But she thought Defenders looked kinda cool and wants to check it out.  So my question is, which other shows are (1) necessary for background prior to watching Defenders, and (2) which other ones are pretty good in general and match what you guys know of my tastes?  Feel free to fill in as much description as you like, without big spoilers.  Keep in mind that the characters in these Netflix series are characters I did not follow in the comics and am generally unfamiliar with (I most mostly a mutants and Spiderman guy, who ventured out into other characters or groups sporadically).
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Post by: BlackInk on December 30, 2017, 02:47:56 AM
I'd say for the sake of understanding the lore of The Defenders, maybe Iron Fist is the most important. But it's not at all the best.

In terms of what's good. My favorite thing Marvel has done with Netflix is still Jessica Jones season 1. It also has what I consider to be the best villain of the entire MCU.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 30, 2017, 04:34:52 AM
^ He's right.  Daredevil Season 2 is pretty important in the lead up to the Defenders as well.

Luke Cage up to episode 9 or 10 was really great as well, but not necessary viewing in the grand scheme of The Defenders.
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Post by: axeman90210 on December 31, 2017, 01:14:34 AM
Haven't watched Iron Fist or The Defenders yet, so I can't comment on what's important as far as setting the table storyline-wise. I'll say that Daredevil season 1 is still my favorite, followed closely behind by Jessica Jones season 1. Daredevil season 2 and Luke Cage are both a tier below, but still certainly enjoyable. They're both too long by at least a couple episodes, and I found that Daredevil s2 had more filler than Luke Cage, but it also had better filler. All of it is "the kids have gone to bed" in terms of content though.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 03, 2018, 08:06:59 AM
For Daredevil, I definitely prefer season 1.  Season 2 isn't bad.  And Electra is one of my favorite Marvel characters.  But season 1 was so well done.
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Post by: Podaar on January 03, 2018, 04:33:42 PM
This is DTF, so for the Netflix Marvel series.

1a. Jessica Jones
1b. Daredevil S1
2.   Punisher
3.   Daredevil S2
4.   The Defenders
5.   Luke Cage
6.   Ironfist
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Post by: Adami on January 03, 2018, 05:09:14 PM
This is DTF, so for the Netflix Marvel series.

1a. Jessica Jones
1b. Daredevil S1
2.   Punisher
3.   Daredevil S2
4.   The Defenders
5.   Luke Cage
6.   Ironfist

Mine is REALLY similar.

1. Daredevil S1, Jessica Jones, Punisher
2. Daredevil S2
3. Defenders
4. Luke Cage
5. Iron Fist

Honestly if Luke Cage had just ended after like 10 episodes, it would be above Defenders.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 03, 2018, 08:04:09 PM
This is DTF, so for the Netflix Marvel series.

1a. Jessica Jones
1b. Daredevil S1
2.   Punisher
3.   Daredevil S2
4.   The Defenders
5.   Luke Cage
6.   Ironfist

Mine is REALLY similar.

1. Daredevil S1, Jessica Jones, Punisher
2. Daredevil S2
3. Defenders
4. Luke Cage
5. Iron Fist

Honestly if Luke Cage had just ended after like 10 episodes, it would be above Defenders.

:iagree:  This list is spot on.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 03, 2018, 08:20:32 PM
I know I rant against Runaways a lot, but it just annoys me.

The newest episode actually was halfway decent. Finally got a couple together and ended on a good note.

BUT




THEY'RE CALLING THEMSELVES THE RUNAWAYS IN HONOR OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE RUN AWAY?!?!!!?

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Post by: jammindude on January 03, 2018, 09:56:29 PM
I will probably get back to Luke Cage.  I only saw the first 2 or 3 episodes, but it played so much like a blaxploitation flick that I had trouble taking it seriously.  But then I kindof got the impression that that was the point, so maybe I'll give it another chance. 

I started watching DD, and I was loving the story.  But I'm really not a big violence guy, and when that baddie impaled his own head on a spike in episode 3, I couldn't turn it off fast enough.  I just plain don't like it, but also my wife has PTSD, and she actually had to be calmed down for a few after that happened.  We really weren't expecting something quite that extreme.  But I had heard the warnings, so I should have known.   I still might go back to it.  I just hope that a scene like that is relatively rare. 

Needless to say I probably won't watch Punisher.   It just looks a bit over the top from the trailers. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 03, 2018, 10:02:20 PM
It gets more violent.
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Post by: jammindude on January 03, 2018, 10:08:17 PM
Oh well then.  Guess I'm just in the minority.  EDIT - But I actually really appreciate the heads up, so thank you.
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Post by: Adami on January 03, 2018, 10:19:55 PM
Oh well then.  Guess I'm just in the minority.  EDIT - But I actually really appreciate the heads up, so thank you.

Yea, these shows are definitely not fun light entertainment. If violence, suffering, and over all darkness isn't something you're into, then DD and Punisher are out.

JJ too possibly.

Iron First is fine cause it's just so bad that the violence is laughable.

And Defenders is about as PG as it gets (minus a few scenes).

Luke Cage isn't too bad on the violence. So that should be fine.
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Post by: jammindude on January 03, 2018, 10:26:06 PM
Actually, I *LOVED* Jessica Jones.  It was a dark mood, and some sexy stuff (not a bad thing when you're with the wife) but I don't recall anything quite as bad as the DD scene I referenced.   Well.....maybe one in the whole series.   (That scene in the park).  But mostly I didn't find it to be quite as bad.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on January 03, 2018, 11:12:42 PM
JJ is more disturbing to me than DD but in other ways, which is why I love it.
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Post by: Podaar on January 04, 2018, 06:25:20 AM
Actually, I *LOVED* Jessica Jones.  It was a dark mood, and some sexy stuff (not a bad thing when you're with the wife) but I don't recall anything quite as bad as the DD scene I referenced.   Well.....maybe one in the whole series.   (That scene in the park).  But mostly I didn't find it to be quite as bad.

See, I don't get this. Fisticuffs, brutal gun play, knifings, and murder by car door, are all reasons to turn your head or punch the power button. But a guy uses the power of his mind to force kids into the closet for a week at a time, or have a dude jump off a building, or shoot his girl friend, or to knife his husband, or have his own father put his hand in a blender, or the myriad of other mind-bogglingly horrific shit Killgrave did in Jessica Jones and ...  :tup

For my money, Punisher is way less disturbing and damn near as good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on January 04, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
I guess it has to to with hinted at, and psychological mind **** (which I don’t mind) vs. graphic portrayal of actual violence and gore. And I’m not saying JJ had none. I said plainly that the hedge trimmer scene in the park bothered me just as much. But I don’t recall it being a common thing throughout the series. I was thinking of going back to DD in hopes there wouldn’t be *a lot* more of that, but then it was said that the show gets even worse. That makes me rethink it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on January 08, 2018, 06:22:27 PM
3 episodes left in season 2, and it ended with the reference to the events about to take place in Age of Ultron. I’m thinking about rewatching that before proceeding. I know it’s not necessary, but I’m having fun with this. I almost wish I would have watched Winter Soldier at the point it fell into the timeline...probably would have had more weight seeing the fall of SHIELD and the “death” of Fury in sequence.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on January 08, 2018, 08:46:53 PM
And AOS gets better with each season, so you still have a ton of great episodes to watch ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on January 08, 2018, 08:48:33 PM
Btw, did anyone here watch The Gifted? I started the other day and it’s not bad, I think I’ll watch the whole season.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 08, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
Btw, did anyone here watch The Gifted? I started the other day and it’s not bad, I think I’ll watch the whole season.

Yup! I'd call it consistently good. Never really amazing though, or terrible.

I hope they try to do a bit more next season. It's got a ton of potential, but they're playing it way too small.


However, introducing the Cuckoo siblings was amazing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on January 08, 2018, 09:08:17 PM
Makes sense they played it safe for the first season, hope it gets renewed (if it isn’t already).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 08, 2018, 09:12:02 PM
Makes sense they played it safe for the first season, hope it gets renewed (if it isn’t already).

Pretty sure it has been renewed. I'm excited for the next season. I also hope the movies don't cripple them too much in who they are or aren't allowed to use.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on January 09, 2018, 12:06:08 AM
Stopped watching the Gifted maybe 5 episodes in. Juat never grabbed me. But then again I was never a big X-Men fan.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 09, 2018, 08:02:08 AM
3 episodes left in season 2, and it ended with the reference to the events about to take place in Age of Ultron. I’m thinking about rewatching that before proceeding. I know it’s not necessary, but I’m having fun with this. I almost wish I would have watched Winter Soldier at the point it fell into the timeline...probably would have had more weight seeing the fall of SHIELD and the “death” of Fury in sequence.

Yeah, we were watching ALMOST in real time at that point, so it was cool how it all tied in together.  The end of season 2 is really good.  The show has definitely found itself at that point in time and is running at full stride.  In season 3, you'll see how it really starts to go its own way and do its own completely separate story while still solidly feeling like a part of the MCU.  Seasons 3 and 4 are pretty creepy, but very cool as well.  I will warn you that I think season 4 requires some patience.  In the beginning, it really feels like it is meandering all over the place, perhaps with no goal other than trying to build a storyline around a well-known Marvel character and shoehorn that into AoS.  But in the end, it works well.  You just have to bear with it while it gets there. 
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Post by: Adami on January 09, 2018, 09:34:46 PM
So I think Runaways is done for the season? Weird way to end the season if so.

Last two episodes were definitely an improvement, and I'm hopeful for next season.



At least they finally ran away!
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Post by: contest_sanity on January 10, 2018, 07:47:02 AM
Yeah, it was just a 10 episode run to start things off. No spoilerz, though, because I have yet to watch episodes 9-10. Wondering if there's gonna be a big twist kinda like there was in the comic at the end of volume 1.
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Post by: Adami on January 11, 2018, 08:13:01 PM
So I don't want to say anything in case it's considered spoilers, but has anyone been keeping up on the candid photos from the set of Avengers 4?

I have no idea what's going on, but (without saying anything), it looks like some VERY interesting things could be happening in this movie.
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Post by: gzarruk on January 11, 2018, 08:37:17 PM
So I don't want to say anything in case it's considered spoilers, but has anyone been keeping up on the candid photos from the set of Avengers 4?

I have no idea what's going on, but (without saying anything), it looks like some VERY interesting things could be happening in this movie.

Just googled them and... mindblown. Can't wait for Infinity War already.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 11, 2018, 08:48:54 PM
So I don't want to say anything in case it's considered spoilers, but has anyone been keeping up on the candid photos from the set of Avengers 4?

I have no idea what's going on, but (without saying anything), it looks like some VERY interesting things could be happening in this movie.

I'm trying to stay spoiler-free, but something did sneak into my YT feed suggesting an alternate/mirror universe? like a picture of an old Robert Downey Jr.?
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Post by: Adami on January 11, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
So I don't want to say anything in case it's considered spoilers, but has anyone been keeping up on the candid photos from the set of Avengers 4?

I have no idea what's going on, but (without saying anything), it looks like some VERY interesting things could be happening in this movie.

I'm trying to stay spoiler-free, but something did sneak into my YT feed suggesting an alternate/mirror universe? like a picture of an old Robert Downey Jr.?


I hadn't heard the alternate universe theory, but definitely a possibility. I read mostly about time travel theories. At this point it's just people looking at pics and making stuff up, but it's really intriguing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on January 11, 2018, 08:57:51 PM
So I don't want to say anything in case it's considered spoilers, but has anyone been keeping up on the candid photos from the set of Avengers 4?

I have no idea what's going on, but (without saying anything), it looks like some VERY interesting things could be happening in this movie.

I'm trying to stay spoiler-free, but something did sneak into my YT feed suggesting an alternate/mirror universe? like a picture of an old Robert Downey Jr.?


I hadn't heard the alternate universe theory, but definitely a possibility. I read mostly about time travel theories. At this point it's just people looking at pics and making stuff up, but it's really intriguing.

Yeah... with the Reality and Time stones, the possibilities are endless.
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Post by: TioJorge on January 12, 2018, 11:30:57 AM
Jesus. Fucking. Cake. (https://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2018/01/Cake.jpg)

That chick's face looks like she is looking at god  :rollin :lol and by the look of the cake, she just might be.

Got this from a mostly useless IGN article (https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/01/12/marvels-avengers-4-celebrates-end-of-filming-with-thanos-cake) if you want.
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Post by: jammindude on January 21, 2018, 09:10:09 PM
Just watched 4,722 Hours....

.....so....on a scale of zero to Fitz, how bad have you been friendzoned?
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Post by: gzarruk on January 22, 2018, 07:40:21 AM
Just watched 4,722 Hours....

.....so....on a scale of zero to Fitz, how bad have you been friendzoned?

:rollin

It gets better with them, though, I promise :biggrin:
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 25, 2018, 03:26:02 PM
Finally saw Thor: Ragnarok. Maybe it's just me being a fan of the genre and used to the style, but I have to say that Marvel never misses a strike, it's yet another excellent and fun movie  :hat Sure, a movie called Ragnarok should have not been spent so much on an alien junkyard planet but in the overall plot all things clicked nicely together. Good thing I didn't see the trailers, caught in following the movie I didn't even realize Hulk was the monster Thor had to fight  :D

The comedy moments were slapstick more than in any other film, but I didn't mind them. Like at the end when Bruce Banner is about to jump on Fenrir and you totally see coming the scene of him arriving over him to fight as the Hulk, and instead he slams still not transformed on the bridge  :lol they were a nice change of pace, like also at the beginning when Thor says how heroes fight and nothing happens because he timed wrong the arrival of the hammer (which is probably a meta joke how only in movies you make the perfect quip at the exact perfect time).

Oh, and I think it's safe to say that Loki totally stole the Tesseract while he was going to get the crown at the end, mh?
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Post by: bosk1 on January 25, 2018, 03:32:28 PM
Yeah, I thought the jokes fit the film very well.  The only thing I didn't think worked was just the overall scope of Asgard didn't seem big enough.  We're talking about an entire planet with an ancient race of beings.  And, yet, the population seems to be about the size of a small town, residing in the space of a neighborhood.  It just didn't feel like an entire civilization was being wiped out by Hela (with Surtur finishing the job).  As a result, the emotional stakes were far lower than they should have been, given the actual conflict of the film.  Somehow, it still mostly works despite that.  But that flaw bothers me.  They could easily have made the scope bigger without overly extending the film.  Just have Hela summon an army that helps her preliminarily take the capitol, and then she is able to go into the vaults to resurrect the rest of her army.  Then she goes on a tear, and we get a montage of death and destruction around the planet, with Asgardians fleeing and hiding in various places.  Then, at the end, have a small fleet of survivors escape from a few locations around the planet, instead of just one ship.  It (and the things they obviously have planned at the beginning of Infinity War) would still work, but we get a movie where the stakes are appropriately raised. 
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Post by: lonestar on January 25, 2018, 05:40:46 PM
Never thought of that tbh...I always pictured the MCU Asgard as a massive single city on a flat earth type thing...like this..

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelmovies/images/6/6a/Asgardq.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130411073633)


Which kind of fits into the movie a bit better than a planetary scale civilization of billions.
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Post by: Adami on January 25, 2018, 05:57:57 PM
Yea. That’s what it is in the movie too. Not a planet but a city.


Still felt underpopulated.
 
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Post by: Adami on January 25, 2018, 06:05:26 PM
(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/larson01.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=640)

Sneak peak of Captain Marvel.

I’m cool with the color change.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 25, 2018, 07:42:27 PM
To Bosk's point, the comics always made Asgard feel more like a city sized 'world', and the intro of Thor 1 (just watched it the other day) with Odin's soliloquy and the "tour" of Asgard to follow along certainly make it far less than a planet.  Good point though - and maybe it ended up on the cutting room floor - a couple minute montage showing her army raiding and pillaging the entire realm wouldn't have hurt the movie.

I the two of the iterations of the Ragnarok comics though, it is Surtur that does the majority of the destruction.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 26, 2018, 08:54:52 AM
Yeah, I articulated that poorly.  Not that Asgard needs to be "massive."  But still, the scale just felt too small.  It felt too unpopulated.  And while I think Hela singlehandedly taking them out was supposed to make us feel dread at her obviously superior power, it just to me made it feel like Asgard was small and insignificant. 

Regarding Captain Marvel, I can't help but wonder if the green costume will be solely for the '90s setting of her movie, and when she presumably makes an appearance in the Infinity War films, she will get an update that is much more like the traditional look we are familiar with.
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Post by: lordxizor on January 26, 2018, 09:32:16 AM
I'm in agreement that Asgard felt like it had too small a population. Sure, it's just one big city on the planet, but shouldn't it at least have 100's of thousands if not millions of people? Based on the crowd that evacuated, I'd guess the whole city had a population of a few thousand at most. Didn't seem like enough to me.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 30, 2018, 08:22:14 AM
Ant Man and Wasp trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_rTIAOohas

Looks cool.  Ant Man is the series that I'm least interested in... but I'll go see it in the theater for sure.
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Post by: Adami on January 30, 2018, 10:08:08 AM
Ant Man and Wasp trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_rTIAOohas

Looks cool.  Ant Man is the series that I'm least interested in... but I'll go see it in the theater for sure.


I gotta admit, that looked like a lot of fun.
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Post by: gzarruk on January 30, 2018, 10:47:24 AM
Great trailer! Now I'm wondering, do we know who the villain for this movie is?
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 30, 2018, 10:49:49 AM
Why do I get the feeling that the use of shrink/enlarge 'zapping' is going to be used a lot for comic effect.  Putting a building on a roller suitcase?  Giant-sized Hello Kitty Pez?
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Post by: Adami on January 30, 2018, 10:54:16 AM
Why do I get the feeling that the use of shrink/enlarge 'zapping' is going to be used a lot for comic effect.  Putting a building on a roller suitcase?  Giant-sized Hello Kitty Pez?

That’s how it was in the first movie.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 30, 2018, 11:06:45 AM
Why do I get the feeling that the use of shrink/enlarge 'zapping' is going to be used a lot for comic effect.  Putting a building on a roller suitcase?  Giant-sized Hello Kitty Pez?

That’s how it was in the first movie.

It didn't really strike me as over the top (though, I haven't seen the movie since it was released).  I just get the sense it will be over the top this time around.  I don't think I mind when the comedic effect follows its use (eg, the "fuel" truck in Civil War that Ant Man thought was a water truck; the train-set), but if/when it's used almost solely for comedic effect... I think that's gonna bug me if it happens repeatedly.

Yes, pun fully intended.
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Post by: Adami on January 30, 2018, 11:11:43 AM
Heh yea.

In the first one it was definitely used for humor. Thomas the Whatever, the giant ant, the tank key chain, etc.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 30, 2018, 01:33:03 PM
Question:  Do you guys think Black Widow is a really popular character that needs her own film?

Every now and then, I run across articles that all basically say that Marvel MUST secretly have a Black Widow solo film in the works, because Girl Power! and because she is such a popular and in-demand character that the masses are all clamoring for this. 

I just stumbled on another one of those, so the question popped into my mind.  I always wonder at that statement because I have never seen/heard such clamoring from any masses.  I know for me, her opening solo scene in Avengers was AMAZING.  It struck a great balance with the humor and the awesomeness of just being a great fight scene.  But I've never felt the urge to see her front her own movie.  I thought it was cool that she got more screen time in The Winger Soldier.  A lot of it played like a Cap/Widow buddy movie.  And it worked really well.  But I also felt like that was pushing the limits in terms of what I want to see for screen time with her.  I feel like she got enough time in the sun with that one, and while I like her as a character, I think she fits just fine being part of the larger Avengers ensemble.  Am I wrong?
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Post by: Adami on January 30, 2018, 01:38:22 PM
Am I wrong?

Well, you're not Stadler, so you're probably not wrong.



I actually mostly agree with you. I like Tasha a lot, but she does not need her own movie. Neither does Hawkeye. Maybe both together? Hm.

I think the clamoring for it is mostly a reaction to the awful....AWFUL marketing screw ups by Marvel in the past that cut her out of almost everything. If that had never happened, and if she weren't the only female at the time when Wonder Woman was announced, I doubt anyone would care as much.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 30, 2018, 02:05:47 PM
I thought it was cool that she got more screen time in The Winger Soldier. 

:zydarscouch:

(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/17111306/kip-winger-hunk.jpg)

I think we need a solo Scarlett Johansen movie more than a Black Widow movie.
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Post by: lordxizor on January 30, 2018, 02:13:30 PM
I've never quite gotten all the calls for a solo Black Widow movie either. I'm sure it could be done well and I'm sure it will do fine financially. Personally, I think she's a fairly forgettable character compared to the other main superheros and is clearly a second tier character in the MCU.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 30, 2018, 04:17:06 PM
I thought it was cool that she got more screen time in The Winger Soldier. 

:zydarscouch:

:lolpalm:

After that Winger pic, I think TAC might need some solo time.  :zydar:
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Post by: lonestar on January 30, 2018, 05:06:18 PM
I don't think a solo BW movie is a must, but I'd drop money to see it, especially if it was a prequel of sorts. I'd love to see her in her early assassin days, and her transformation to S.H.I.E.L.D.
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Post by: Adami on January 30, 2018, 06:16:50 PM
At this point, I wonder if Marvel is a bit pissy about that Red Sparrow movie.
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Post by: BlackInk on January 30, 2018, 10:06:39 PM
Personally I don't believe the squeeky clean style of the MCU cinematic movies could even do a BW movie justice. Maybe a Netflix season of her assassin days would be more fitting and interesting.

But I agree, I never found her to be so interesting that she warrants a solo outing.
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Post by: MirrorMask on January 31, 2018, 04:57:43 AM
I agree as well, maybe a Hawkeye / Black Widow joint movie, but as an essentiall co-protagonist along with Captain America, it's already fine like that.

If there's not even the need for another Iron Man movie, with Tony Stark being another co-protagonist in Civil War and Spiderman Homecoming, I daresay we can live without a solo Black Window movie as well.
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Post by: lonestar on January 31, 2018, 12:48:16 PM
Maybe a Netflix season of her assassin days would be more fitting and interesting.

I love this  idea.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 31, 2018, 12:50:11 PM
Maybe a Netflix season of her assassin days would be more fitting and interesting.

I love this  idea.

(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_2648_1516061263.gif)

Of course you do.
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Post by: Accelerando on January 31, 2018, 12:55:53 PM
Yeah, I think ya'll have sold me on having a Black Widow show. I don't think this iteration of Black Widow has earned a solo film. I always felt that she is a good side character. They way they used her in Winter Soldier was perfect. But now that I think about, I think her character can be expanded more with a 10 episode Netflix show (or the Disney streaming service coming soon) than a 2hr feature.

But then again, we're getting another Ant-Man movie...
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Post by: bosk1 on February 02, 2018, 08:56:28 AM
Black Panther is almost here!  :D
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Post by: ErHaO on February 06, 2018, 02:04:01 PM
It is reviewing really well, which is usually a good sign. Looking forward to it, Black Panther was one of my favourite elements in Civil War actually. Seems like a badass superhero and one of the more "serious" ones, which MCU could use because they have so many wisecracks/comedic heroes (which I also enjoy very much, but BP seems like a very good addition to the roster).
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Post by: jammindude on February 06, 2018, 11:28:03 PM
Just an update.  I’m 4 episodes into Season 4.   This show just keeps getting better and better.   

It may seem hokey, but I have actually started to insert the movies where they go in the timeline.  So I’ve followed the Marvel timeline ever since Age of Ultron and it’s actually REALLY cool.  Because you’re able to see a reference to the upcoming Sakovia event, then watch the movie as it happens, then continue to watch the show and see them reference what just happened in the movie.   So I continued to follow the Marvel timeline with Civil War, and Ant Man, and even the online series Slingshot.  I’m actually pausing right here because I guess Dr. Strange is supposed to be inserted right now.  (Actually....the Marvel timeline says the events of the first half of the movie happen near the end of Season 3, and then the events of the second half of the movie happen right now after episode 4....but I didn’t want to split up the movie, so I just waited until now).   So I’m rewatching Dr Strange tomorrow night before continuing.    At this rate, I’ll be caught up by the time Black Panther comes out. 
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Post by: Adami on February 06, 2018, 11:44:15 PM
So I just remembered that Peter freakin Dinklage is in Avengers 3 and/or 4. I think we all kind of forgot about that.
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Post by: ErHaO on February 07, 2018, 05:40:31 AM
Just an update.  I’m 4 episodes into Season 4.   This show just keeps getting better and better. 

Agents of Shield?

Season 4 of that show is, in my opinion, the best season of a superhero show by a wide margin.  It keeps up the quality for 22 episodes, something many series struggle to do at even 12 or, hell, 8 episodes. It keeps building to climax after climax, all of which seem like a logical progression from the last plot point.

Too bad the show started out with the terrible first season (or, the first half of it, to be precise). It turned many people of permanently and I think this show would've had waaay more viewers if it was closer to season 2 quality.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 07, 2018, 07:14:09 AM
Dead pool 2 trailer - https://youtu.be/uiEThbdN7qA

Fuck yeah.
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Post by: kaos2900 on February 07, 2018, 07:35:33 AM
Dead pool 2 trailer - https://youtu.be/uiEThbdN7qA

Fuck yeah.

Love it! There really is nothing like Deadpool!
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Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2018, 08:14:15 AM
Dead pool 2 trailer - https://youtu.be/uiEThbdN7qA

Fuck yeah.

Love it! There really is nothing like Deadpool!

And thank goodness for that.
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Post by: Adami on February 07, 2018, 08:24:46 AM
Dead pool 2 trailer - https://youtu.be/uiEThbdN7qA

Fuck yeah.

YES!

Loved it.


The little Justice League did was nice too.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 07, 2018, 09:00:48 AM
Just an update.  I’m 4 episodes into Season 4.   This show just keeps getting better and better.   

It may seem hokey, but I have actually started to insert the movies where they go in the timeline.  So I’ve followed the Marvel timeline ever since Age of Ultron and it’s actually REALLY cool.  Because you’re able to see a reference to the upcoming Sakovia event, then watch the movie as it happens, then continue to watch the show and see them reference what just happened in the movie.   So I continued to follow the Marvel timeline with Civil War, and Ant Man, and even the online series Slingshot.  I’m actually pausing right here because I guess Dr. Strange is supposed to be inserted right now.  (Actually....the Marvel timeline says the events of the first half of the movie happen near the end of Season 3, and then the events of the second half of the movie happen right now after episode 4....but I didn’t want to split up the movie, so I just waited until now).   So I’m rewatching Dr Strange tomorrow night before continuing.    At this rate, I’ll be caught up by the time Black Panther comes out.

One of the coolest moments in the MCU is still  the reveal that Coulson had been secretly tracking down Loki's scepter in Agents of Shield and then saying "time to bring in the Avengers" and then going straight into Age of Ultron in theaters the next day. Man, was I pumped at that point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2018, 10:04:14 AM
So I just remembered that Peter freakin Dinklage is in Avengers 3 and/or 4. I think we all kind of forgot about that.

I didn't.  I just don't much see it as an important fact.

And I had no idea that that was his middle name.  The more you know...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2018, 10:09:52 AM
So I just remembered that Peter freakin Dinklage is in Avengers 3 and/or 4. I think we all kind of forgot about that.

I didn't.  I just don't much see it as an important fact.

And I had no idea that that was his middle name.  The more you know...

Probably not terribly important, just goes to show how many people are in this movie that such a name isn't even talked about anymore.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2018, 10:16:44 AM
But what do you mean by "such a name?"  You seem to be implying that he is a big name (i.e., "important"), which I don't understand.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2018, 10:39:54 AM
But what do you mean by "such a name?"  You seem to be implying that he is a big name (i.e., "important"), which I don't understand.

I dunno. Maybe it's cause I'm a GoT fan, and most of the social media outlets regarding these things are also big on GoT, that I assume he is a bigger name than he is.

I just assumed he was pretty popular. And I assumed his recent Superbowl ad with Morgan Freeman showed that. Might be wrong though, and obviously some circles just don't care about him at all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2018, 10:50:38 AM
I wasn't even aware that he was on GoT (I don't watch).  I know who he is, and I'm not slagging him as an actor or a person, or anything like that.  I just have never seen him in anything but minor supporting roles, so...

Anyway, it's not an important point either way.  I do wonder what character he will play, since it will obviously be a role requiring specific physical attributes.  I remember seeing something about that awhile back, but it was speculation, and the speculation about who it was wasn't a character I was familiar with. 
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Post by: TioJorge on February 08, 2018, 11:40:18 AM
I love me some Dinklage. He's definitely not a "big name", but he's a great actor that has done a few different roles that are totally opposite of each other and still pulls them off with complete authenticity. If you're in the mood for a more slow paced, somber film, The Station Agent is a really great heartwarming film. He is also really good in Death At A Funeral and Pete Smalls Is Dead. Though like Bosk said, those are more supporting roles (he's the central character in The Station Agent though).
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 08, 2018, 12:51:51 PM
"He's an angry elf"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 08, 2018, 06:08:52 PM
So we all got the JL reference in the Deadpool trailer. However....

When he’s playing with the toys, he says to toy cable “I got your stones” or something, referring to his balls. Seems like an infinity stone reference too.
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Post by: erwinrafael on February 13, 2018, 08:16:37 AM
I just finished watching Black Panther. As a fanboy of Christopher Priest's classic run in the comic book that became the template of this modern take on the character, I have to say that this movie nailed it. It would be quite hard for another comic book-based superhero movie to top this one.
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Post by: aurorablind on February 14, 2018, 02:50:13 PM
Just saw Black Panther. It was fantastic!!
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 14, 2018, 04:31:02 PM
Just saw Black Panther. It was fantastic!!

Friday at 3:45 for me and jingle.son.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 14, 2018, 04:37:24 PM
I think me, bosk2, and bosk3 will go Monday.  We'll see.
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Post by: Adami on February 14, 2018, 05:07:25 PM
I think me, bosk2, and bosk3 will go Monday.  We'll see.

YOU HAVE CLONES?!?!?

I'm seeing it tomorrow at 730pm. WOOOO. Got my Imax tickets. Nice to have reserve seating for a movie like this on opening night.


Also super pumped to be around all the douchey movie goers on their cell phones and talking throughout the movie.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 14, 2018, 07:59:29 PM
I think me, bosk2, and bosk3 will go Monday.  We'll see.

Please god... make shirts for this ala Thing 1 and Thing 2.
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Post by: Accelerando on February 15, 2018, 01:49:43 PM
Guys, i’ve been reading too many articles and comments stating Black Panther is the first black superhero movie lol. Nobody here by the way!

Blade was the first Marvel film that had starred a lead actor and actress who were black. Blade is also first Marvel film that wasn’t awful, and that movie, not X-Men, also should comended for jumpstarting the current golden age of comic book movies. Blade wasn’t also the first black superhero adapted from comics. We had DC’s Steel and Image’s Spawn make a feature appearancef first. Also, Meteor Man is technically the first black superhero on film, even if he was an original hero for film.

Black Panther is the first superhero film with a majority black cast and a black director. Black Panther himself is also the first black superhero to appear in mainstream comic books, so this movies release is culturally important and exciting! It helps looks really, really good! No surprise, since Ryan Coogler is easily one of the best up and coming directors.

I’m so excited for this movie! It’s been a long time that I’ve been this pumped for a superhero film
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Post by: Adami on February 15, 2018, 02:21:24 PM
Meteor Man was before blade. :)

Just being a bit silly, but technically true.
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Post by: Accelerando on February 15, 2018, 02:33:06 PM
Right...that’s what i said? First black superhero on film?

Edit: I was just reminded about Blankman  :laugh:
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Post by: Adami on February 15, 2018, 02:35:36 PM
Right...that’s what i said? First black superhero on film?

Oh, I forgot to mention that Meteor Man also had a Marvel run. So technically the first black Marvel hero.


I also missed that in your post and now I'm trying to look less foolish.
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Post by: Accelerando on February 15, 2018, 02:38:11 PM
Right...that’s what i said? First black superhero on film?

Oh, I forgot to mention that Meteor Man also had a Marvel run. So technically the first black Marvel hero.


I also missed that in your post and now I'm trying to look less foolish.

Haha no worries. Also, I didn’t know Meteor Man had a Marvel run! I really want to find those issues, because I still enjoy Meteor Man to this day
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Post by: Adami on February 15, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
https://atomicavenue.com/issue/95869/Meteor-Man-1-Marvel?gclid=Cj0KCQiA_JTUBRD4ARIsAL7_VeV6uedT2aCDvH5f49YzhB8uMB7S8_cyicHf2g-7Ts7Z-ZIJ4wH4vugaArw2EALw_wcB
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Post by: faizoff on February 15, 2018, 08:03:06 PM
Just saw Black panther in IMAX. Great movie. I'd rate it 9/10. A lot of fun and in terms of story I'd say it's along the lines of Spiderman homecoming. Was totally worth it on the big screen.
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Post by: lonestar on February 15, 2018, 09:30:32 PM
Good to hear, heading out to see it in IMAX now...
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Post by: Adami on February 15, 2018, 11:34:23 PM
I really liked it!

Not perfect, but really good. I wouldn't put it as high as Civil War or Winter Soldier or any of that, but it was a great movie with some pretty typical Marvel flaws.


Michael B. Jordan also killed it.
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Post by: Accelerando on February 16, 2018, 12:17:18 AM
Just came back from it too, and I actually think it's one of the best films of the MCU! And I agree with Adami, there are some of the Marvel flaws that I always complain about in it, but it's a film with thoughtful integrity and doesn't lose substance for cheap gags (*coughRAGNAROKcoughcough*).

This film does what I wished the Thor movies had done, and take the time to build their world to fully sell your audience. Wakanda is incredible, and I hope we get to revisit that place soon!

Chadwick Boseman's Black Panther left us wanting more after Civil War, and he doesn't disappoint. The other characters in the film are just fascinating. One of my favorite characters is Okoye played by Walking Dead's Danai Gurira. She is a strong and fierce warrior that commands the screen whenever she is present! Michael B Jordan's Killmonger is one of the best villains of this universe, and Andy Serkis's Klaw is just great. Lupita Nyong'o is becoming a Hollywood darling, and provides another solid performance.

The best superhero films are the ones that will leave you thinking afterwards. The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, and The Winter Solider all had deep messages that were woven in the film's DNA. Black Panther is as thoughtful as it comes, and it doesn't batter it over the head of the audiences.

Black Panther is a terrific super hero film that has both exciting and emotional moments that are thought provoking. Ryan Coogler is a talented young director that is on the rise.

Long live the King!!!
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Post by: Adami on February 16, 2018, 12:25:33 AM
Looking back on all the characters (of substance), I think the only one I didn't like was the Get Out guy's. Not his acting, but the writing for him was incredibly weak.

Every other character was really great.
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Post by: Accelerando on February 16, 2018, 12:41:01 AM
Same here. I think if they delved a little bit more for his hatred of Klaw, I think I could have bought his character. Unfortunately, it was glossed over.

I really liked the bond between T'Challa and Shuri. Felt like it came right from the pages of the comics.

If the MCU adds the Fantastic Four characters into their universe, I hope they use the Doomwar storyline. Shuri was such a badass in those issues!
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Post by: Adami on February 16, 2018, 12:54:23 AM
Well not just his hatred for Klaue, but...


His entire motivation and character just seemed random. He went from T'Challah's best friend to completely supporting Killmonger and willing to lead Wakanda in into civil war because he randomly COMPLETELY agreed with everything Killmonger wanted to do? Meh.
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Post by: lonestar on February 16, 2018, 02:19:22 AM
Loved it, I'd put it up in the upper, upper echelon of MCU movies. Definitely a different take, totally unexpected story direction, and it worked well.


Only one huge question I got (tiny font time kids)....  Where the fuck is the soul stone?
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Post by: Accelerando on February 16, 2018, 02:34:50 AM
In the comics, Soul Stone was with Adam Warlock, who was teased at the end of Guardians of Galaxy, Vol 2. Im guessing he's popping up somewhere in Infinity War
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Post by: lonestar on February 16, 2018, 02:36:40 AM
 :tup
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Post by: Adami on February 16, 2018, 08:00:55 AM
In the comics, Soul Stone was with Adam Warlock, who was teased at the end of Guardians of Galaxy, Vol 2. Im guessing he's popping up somewhere in Infinity War

Not according to James Gunn.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 16, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
In the comics, Soul Stone was with Adam Warlock, who was teased at the end of Guardians of Galaxy, Vol 2. Im guessing he's popping up somewhere in Infinity War

Not according to James Gunn.

And it once belonged to Adam Warlock, but in the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, Thanos took it from the In-Betweener. I'm sticking with my theory that the Soul Gem has to be related to the letter H, which still leaves Heimdall as my leading candidate.
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Post by: Zantera on February 17, 2018, 02:51:15 AM
Black Panther was good - solid mid-tier Marvel movie providing fun popcorn entertainment for the moment but I think ultimately will be forgotten about in a year or two.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 17, 2018, 04:28:27 AM
I'm putting it Top 5 right now.  Nice bits of humour in there with Shuri, and this felt like a social hierarchy story with superhero elements.  jingle.son and I were talking on the way home from it that the best Marvel movies are NOT superhero movies first and foremost, but movies that happen to be about superheroes.
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Post by: lordxizor on February 17, 2018, 07:44:21 AM
I enjoyed it as much as any of the better Marvel movies, but I'm not getting the hype that it's the best one yet. It pretty much followed the same formula the rest do.
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Post by: lonestar on February 17, 2018, 06:33:06 PM
Bypassing the tiny font, but I'll give some spoiler space...














Saw an interesting theory about the soul stone. It might have been in Wakanda throughout the movie, in the cavern where the magic plants were. It would explain not only their power (beyond what vibranium gave them) but would also explain how the consumption gave the person the ability to communicate with the dead. Just throwing it out there...
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Post by: Adami on February 17, 2018, 08:24:15 PM
I’m gonna say something controversial.


I don’t care where the soul stone is.


In fact the infinity stones are immensely unimportant to me in general.
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Post by: jammindude on February 17, 2018, 08:29:25 PM
I’m gonna say something controversial.


I don’t care where the soul stone is.


In fact the infinity stones are immensely unimportant to me in general.

Ok now you're just doing it on purpose.... 
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 17, 2018, 08:39:50 PM
I really don't want it to be on Earth... that would make 3/6 of the gems made their way to Earth all at the same time.  I'd rather it was somewhere else.
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Post by: lonestar on February 17, 2018, 08:40:19 PM
*throws rocks at Adami*
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Post by: Adami on February 17, 2018, 08:44:54 PM
It’s true. I honestly just don’t care.
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Post by: faizoff on February 17, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
I'm not too wrapped in the stone lore as well. I'll watch them unfold as they come and wait and see what they do. Can't wait for Infinity War.
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Post by: erwinrafael on February 17, 2018, 10:47:33 PM
I enjoyed it as much as any of the better Marvel movies, but I'm not getting the hype that it's the best one yet. It pretty much followed the same formula the rest do.

The distinctive things for me with this movie:

1) it involved a political theme and confronted it head on, making it central to the whole story.
2) the world building is exceptionally well done and you can see the research that went into it.
3) it has the most well-rounded ensemble so far, especially the antagonist whose motivations are more complex than the usual MCU antagonist.

The clincher for me is the closing scene. It's a powerful metanarrative, celebrating the wonder of a young black person finally seeing his black hero being his own kind of cool.

Many bring up Blade as the first black superhero who made it to the mainstream. That's true, but how much did Blade proudly and unabashedly celebrate Afro-American culture? Not so much. Black Panther, on the other hand, is a celebration, from the music, to the language, to the set design, the costumes, and the characterization.

I also had a good laugh with the "colonizer!" punchline. As somebody who lives in a country who os struggling through the postcolonial experience and is still coming to terms with the "legacy" of US colonization, that joke voiced out my sentiments.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 18, 2018, 01:20:40 AM
Saw this on friday. Liked it, but didn't love it like some seem to. There are some better MCU movies, and some worse. I feel like this one sits comfortably somewhere in the middle.

Killmonger was good though. Very charismatic presence.

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Post by: jammindude on February 18, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
It’s true. I honestly just don’t care.

It’s just kindof weird because, in effect, you are saying that you aren’t interested in “the universe”.   Yes, Marvel has created individual super hero movies.  But to many people (myself included) the most fascinating and unprecedented thing that they’ve done, is to create a 400+ hour intertwining storyline encapsulated in its own universe.  The stones are, and always have been, the central theme of that overarching storyline.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 18, 2018, 10:46:50 AM
The stones are things that are vaguely referenced in hints and post credits scenes, and I'm fairly sure only people who are really big into the comics care about them at all.

I don't speak for everyone, obviously, but my interest in the Marvel movies is mostly based on fun characters and good actors. The stones don't really matter to me at all, and I think that's probably the case for most people who watch the movies. I don't really consider the overarching plot (or even the non-overarching plots) to be one of Marvel's selling points.

edit: I'd also mention that if I hadn't read people discussing them on here, I'd have no clue what the hell an Infinity Stone is, and definitely wouldn't have picked up on them being a thing in the movies.
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Post by: Adami on February 18, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
Not really.

I love the universe. The stones are just a giant overarching macguffun. They play their role, but it’s the characters, world building, personal journeys, relationships, etc that I love.

At no point in Black Panther was I like “yea, racism is bad I guess BUT WHERE DAT SOUL STONE?!?”

Maybe it’s cause I also read comics every day. So I’m already used to a giant shared universe that relies on story, themes, etc to connect it, with the infinity stones just occasionally playing a role.
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Post by: jammindude on February 18, 2018, 11:25:32 AM
I’m a bit baffled, but to each their own.

I mean, at the very least, you can’t deny that EVERYTHING has been leading up to The Infinity War.   And Thanos getting the stones is going to be *the plot* of that movie. 

In fact, I’m almost nervous about Infinity War at this point.  Everything is riding on this film.   With the exception of The Force Awakens, it may be the single most hyped film in cinematic history.  But there is **SO MUCH** going on that I don’t see how they pull it off without things getting too muddled.  My wife and I counted somewhere in the realm of 12 major superhero characters?   And that’s not even including GotG!!   And then on top of that...how many side players that aren’t necessarily heroes like Loki and Nebula?  They are literally throwing everything but the kitchen sink at this movie and I’m almost worried that they’ve bitten off more than they can chew.   It’s either going to be amazing, or the iceburg that rips the side of the ship open. 
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Post by: jammindude on February 18, 2018, 05:36:20 PM
Holy crap!!!! I’m just getting to the “mirror Universe” shows involving the Framework!! Mind....blown!!!
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Post by: soupytwist on February 19, 2018, 01:18:45 AM
Saw this on friday. Liked it, but didn't love it like some seem to. There are some better MCU movies, and some worse. I feel like this one sits comfortably somewhere in the middle.

Killmonger was good though. Very charismatic presence.

This would sum up my opinion too.  Middle to Upper Middle range.....Thought the first half was amazing, but everything after the waterfall scene felt rather predictable.  Killmonger who had been a great feel into a rather typical villain once he became king - and the final battle felt a little flat too.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 19, 2018, 05:42:14 AM
The final battle was somewhat short, but served it's purpose.  The only thing I didn't like (which has been mentioned), was W'Kabi's willingness to turn his back on the T'Challa just because Killmonger brought Klaue's body.  Then he's willing to go along with the plan to create this global uprising, go to civil war, and then suddenly realize it was a dumbass move.  That felt a little too contrived.

At no point in Black Panther was I like “yea, racism is bad I guess BUT WHERE DAT SOUL STONE?!?”

Me either, which is why I'm glad it wasn't part of the Black Panther story.

Holy crap!!!! I’m just getting to the “mirror Universe” shows involving the Framework!! Mind....blown!!!

Enjoy my man.  Those were some of the most gripping episodes.

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Post by: Podaar on February 19, 2018, 12:09:45 PM
Saw it this weekend. It was good but I'm unsure of what the hype of "greatest Marvel ever" is all about and I actually felt let down by some aspects of it.

Letitia Wright as Shuri was the stand out performance for me, closely follows by Danai Gurira and Chadwick Boseman who were all great.

As others have said I thought the world building was top notch and visually stunning. The motivations for some characters felt a bit thin. The truly "wow" action moments had all been spoiled by the trailers so I was a bit disappointed there.

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Post by: Adami on February 19, 2018, 12:13:29 PM
It's definitely not one of the greatest Marvel films. Though I'd still put it in my top 6 or so.


The reason it's so important is because of how it's handling other cultures, social commentary, characterizations, etc. It's doing things other comic book movies have never done before. So it's important.

It's also really good. It's being WAY overblown and people are wrongly equating important/new/good with best ever.

People did the same thing with Wonder Woman. It was important and new, and therefore people just assumed it was the greatest one ever. It happens. It'll pass.
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 19, 2018, 12:33:37 PM
I absolutely loved it.  Great emotion from T'Challa showing strength and compassion, love and hate.  I felt the same with Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman.
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Post by: BlackInk on February 19, 2018, 01:12:47 PM
I actually thought it was a bit disappointing that Wakanda was so super technologically advanced. I would’ve liked it more if it was a bit more grounded. It was a bit too sci-fi for me.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 21, 2018, 03:29:48 PM
Cool MCU timeline:  https://collider.com/mcu-timeline-explained/#phase-one-avengers

I've seen several of these pop up throughout the years, but this one seems to strike a very good balance between detail and simplicity.
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Post by: Adami on February 21, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
Cool MCU timeline:  https://collider.com/mcu-timeline-explained/#phase-one-avengers

I've seen several of these pop up throughout the years, but this one seems to strike a very good balance between detail and simplicity.

Cool!

I've decided that before Avengers 4, I'm gonna do a massive rewatch in chronological order.

So starting with Cap 1, then go see Cap Marvel in theaters, then move on from there. Which would obviously include the Guardians in movies back to back.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 21, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Jingle kids and I are doing that now. We're up to GOTG, and going to watch both of them back-to-back for continuity. I have to figure out where to move Dr Strange - before Civile War, or after Spidey.
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Post by: Adami on February 21, 2018, 05:05:43 PM
Jingle kids and I are doing that now. We're up to GOTG, and going to watch both of them back-to-back for continuity. I have to figure out where to move Dr Strange - before Civile War, or after Spidey.

Definitely after Civil War, I guess it doesn't really matter is relates to Spidey.

Ohhh I see what you mean. I'd say after Spidey then since it ends with that Thor scene.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 21, 2018, 05:25:16 PM
Right.. as you ascertained, I was more referring to the need of watching Civil War/Spidey back-to-back. And given a quick perusal of the link Bosky provided, I'm inclined to watch it after Spidey.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 21, 2018, 05:32:48 PM
Jingle kids and I are doing that now. We're up to GOTG, and going to watch both of them back-to-back for continuity. I have to figure out where to move Dr Strange - before Civile War, or after Spidey.

Yeah, I would treat the pre-crash/magic part of the movie as "prologue" with the focus of the film being on the Strange/Kaecilius conflict, and insert it after Spidey.
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Post by: Adami on February 21, 2018, 05:34:43 PM
I would also, if you ever do a big rewatch before Avengers 4, maybe even do Thor after Black Panther and before Infinity War.

So Civil War-Spidey-Strange-Black Panther-Thor-Infinity war

Or even Strange after Black Panther too.

Hmmm.
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 21, 2018, 05:48:35 PM
I own every DVD.  I can't imagine the time I'd have to put in to watch every film.
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Post by: jammindude on February 21, 2018, 07:00:37 PM
The wife and I have been inserting the films in the proper sequence as we go through Agents of Shield. It’s been a total blast!
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Post by: King Postwhore on February 21, 2018, 07:52:16 PM
The wife and I have been inserting the films in the proper sequence as we go through Agents of Shield. It’s been a total blast!

Inserting? Giggity.
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Post by: Adami on February 21, 2018, 07:59:24 PM
The wife and I have been inserting the films in the proper sequence as we go through Agents of Shield. It’s been a total blast!

Such a good time.
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Post by: jammindude on February 21, 2018, 08:07:51 PM
The wife and I have been inserting the films in the proper sequence as we go through Agents of Shield. It’s been a total blast!

Inserting? Giggity.


Netflix and chill....... literally.  :coolio
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 21, 2018, 09:48:40 PM
I would also, if you ever do a big rewatch before Avengers 4, maybe even do Thor after Black Panther and before Infinity War.

So Civil War-Spidey-Strange-Black Panther-Thor-Infinity war

Or even Strange after Black Panther too.

Hmmm.

Knowing what we know, I'd agree with Dr. Strange after Spidey & Panther.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 21, 2018, 11:17:48 PM
Yeah, except that seeing him in Ragnarok where he is Sorcerer Supreme, I want to feel like some more time has passed since his solo film, so I would still probably keep Spidey in between to give it some space.
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Post by: Adami on February 21, 2018, 11:32:26 PM
Yeah, except that seeing him in Ragnarok where he is Sorcerer Supreme, I want to feel like some more time has passed since his solo film, so I would still probably keep Spidey in between to give it some space.

Might as well call you Jon Snow, cause you know nothing.
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Post by: jammindude on February 21, 2018, 11:44:03 PM
Not sure if this link will work, but I like this timeline best.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 22, 2018, 12:01:26 PM
Not sure if this link will work, but I like this timeline best.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline

It's a good one, but takes a while to sort through since when I do my rewatch, it won't include Shield and it DEFINITELY won't include Inhumans.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 22, 2018, 12:35:27 PM
I would LOVE to go back and rewatch the films in connection with Agents of SHIELD.  But realistically, that is NEVER going to happen.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 22, 2018, 12:36:41 PM
I would LOVE to go back and rewatch the films in connection with Agents of SHIELD.  But realistically, that is NEVER going to happen.

You and me, 3 week vacation on Fire Island. This is happening.

Jammindude can join if he wants, but he only gets to watch.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 22, 2018, 12:44:27 PM
I'm your Huckleberry.  Say when.

On a tangent, do you think they'll ever do anything else with the Mandarin?  I never followed the Iron Man comics or any others where he may have shown up as a character.  But I really liked the character from IM3 (both Trevor and Killian) and the cliffhanger/allusion to the "real" Mandarin in All Hail the King.  I think RJD's Tony Stark is likely going away after Infinity War 2.  Not sure if someone else will take up the mantle of Iron Man afterward and we will get more Iron Man solo films that the Mandarin may show up in, or if would easily work into other characters' solo films, but I hope they tie up that loose end at some point.  Thoughts?
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Post by: Adami on February 22, 2018, 12:48:43 PM
I'd be cool either way.

I liked Trevor as a character, but thought it deflated the film's ending from a story point of view.

And Killian was terrible I thought, which is sad since they started off with such potential. But when he turned into a crazy fire dragon monster thing, meh.

In fact, the entire 3rd act of IM was really lame. To me.

I did like the idea of a REAL Mandarin out there. I'd be very happy if they further explored that. What I loved about Vuture and Killmonger was making the bad guys human again. The more fantastical and super the bad guys get, the less relateable they become. So I'd be down with more human villains like Mandarin if they can adapt him well.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 22, 2018, 12:53:48 PM
I'd be cool either way.

I liked Trevor as a character, but thought it deflated the film's ending from a story point of view.

And Killian was terrible I thought, which is sad since they started off with such potential. But when he turned into a crazy fire dragon monster thing, meh.

In fact, the entire 3rd act of IM was really lame. To me.

I did like the idea of a REAL Mandarin out there. I'd be very happy if they further explored that. What I loved about Vuture and Killmonger was making the bad guys human again. The more fantastical and super the bad guys get, the less relateable they become. So I'd be down with more human villains like Mandarin if they can adapt him well.

I get the reaction to the 3rd act of IM3.  I liked it.  A lot.  But I can see how others may not have.  But it was a very RADICAL change of tone that was very abrupt.  That worked for me, but I can see how it might not have for others.

I liked Killian in the context of that film.  But even if he hadn't died, I wouldn't care to see him brought back.  Like you, I really like the idea of the "real" Mardarin.  AND I like Trevor, so having him continue on as part of the Mandarin saga could be cool.  And, relatively speaking, few people out there actually know that he isn't the real Mandarin.  So he could continue to be used as the Mandarin's public face of terror.

As far as the idea of villains being "just human," does that really work for the Mandarin?  I thought he had powers in the books?  Again, I'm not familiar, so I could be wrong.  But I was under the impression he had some sort of mystical powers or something.
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Post by: jammindude on February 24, 2018, 01:54:35 PM
Pretty bummed right now.   I *FINALLY* got caught up watching Agents of SHIELD on Netflix....well....the first 4 seasons are done anyway.   So, since I have the rest of the day off, I decided to try and crack open Season 5.   On Demand has it............but only episodes 6-12.   That’s right, as far as I can tell, the first 5 episodes cannot be watched anywhere.    What’s the point in offering us everything if you can’t deliver??

 >:( :censored
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Post by: Adami on February 24, 2018, 01:56:40 PM
Pretty bummed right now.   I *FINALLY* got caught up watching Agents of SHIELD on Netflix....well....the first 4 seasons are done anyway.   So, since I have the rest of the day off, I decided to try and crack open Season 5.   On Demand has it............but only episodes 6-12.   That’s right, as far as I can tell, the first 5 episodes cannot be watched anywhere.    What’s the point in offering us everything if you can’t deliver??

 >:( :censored

Get Hulu! I think it's on there. That's how I always watch it.

Though I dunno if they keep them online too long, since I always watch them within the week of airing.
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Post by: jammindude on February 24, 2018, 02:03:18 PM
FOR PETE’S SAKE!!!   I already have Netflix, Comcast On Demand, and Amazon Prime....how many freakin pay services to I need to freakin have??     For all the claims of having the “freedom” to watch “all the things”, they sure screw you on trying to actually get what they promise..
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 24, 2018, 02:25:27 PM
FOR PETE’S SAKE!!!   I already have Netflix, Comcast On Demand, and Amazon Prime....how many freakin pay services to I need to freakin have??     For all the claims of having the “freedom” to watch “all the things”, they sure screw you on trying to actually get what they promise..


Get rid of Comcast on Demand bruh.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 24, 2018, 02:41:02 PM
Just wait until it shows up on Netflix.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on February 24, 2018, 03:20:48 PM
FOR PETE’S SAKE!!!   I already have Netflix, Comcast On Demand, and Amazon Prime....how many freakin pay services to I need to freakin have??     For all the claims of having the “freedom” to watch “all the things”, they sure screw you on trying to actually get what they promise..


Get rid of Comcast on Demand bruh.

There's no satellite where I'm at (no line of sight through the tree line around my housing development) and Comcast is the only other option.  I'm not ready to go strictly streaming yet. 
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Post by: Grappler on February 24, 2018, 06:54:04 PM
FOR PETE’S SAKE!!!   I already have Netflix, Comcast On Demand, and Amazon Prime....how many freakin pay services to I need to freakin have??     For all the claims of having the “freedom” to watch “all the things”, they sure screw you on trying to actually get what they promise..


Get rid of Comcast on Demand bruh.

There's no satellite where I'm at (no line of sight through the tree line around my housing development) and Comcast is the only other option.  I'm not ready to go strictly streaming yet.

I have Comcast for internet and subscribe to Playstation Vue for my tv package.  It has all of my local affiliates, so I get ABC and can DVR the episodes when they air.  You could look into PS Vue or Sling.  Vue has worked incredibly well for me, with only a few downsides.

You could always read the Wikipedia summaries of the first 5 episodes and then watch the rest if you're in a big hurry.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2018, 08:01:02 AM
Saw Black Panther over the weekend.  I liked it a lot.  But I didn't love it.  Overall, I felt like it was "just another Marvel movie," which is to say that it was entertaining and very good in most respects, but not great.  And that's fine.  And to hold it to any higher standard is perhaps a bit unfair.  But at the same time, I also felt like the movie tried to be more than just the typical Marvel film, so I kind of can't help but hold it to a slightly higher standard.  It's hard to take the movie at just face value when it is aspiring to be something more.

**********SPOILERS BELOW************





















What didn't work, or didn't work as well as I hoped:

-Killmonger:  He was a pretty solid villain.  But from some of the things I had heard, I expected more.  He was an extremist, a Black nationalist, and the product of his father being killed in what he clearly sees as a murder, and his killer, a flawed hero, wants to see as something more justified.  That alone makes for a pretty good character.  But for someone supposedly as calculating and longsuffering to achieve the long-term goal as he was supposed to be, he also came across as brash and making poor decisions at times, which didn't seem to fit.  I felt like he also knew far too much about the intimate details of the inner workings of Wakanda.  This would have been fine if he had had his father with him later in life.  But he didn't.  And his father wouldn't have told him so much at such a young age.  His big plan also seemed a bit too far-fetched in how it was executed.  Him taking over the throne was fine.  But his grander plot to arm insurgents all over the globe and instantly make Wakanda a super power seemed too over the top and not well-planned. 

Some of the other character motivations also seemed lame and unconvincing as well.  For example, W'Kabi's flip to the "dark side" was too extreme.  His motivations were obviously on display, and were ultimately somewhat noble.  But the execution and the extremes he went to just didn't feel convincing.

Another example is M'Baku deciding to send his army.  I mean, I think everyone over the age of 10 in that theater knew after the scene at the Jarabi mountain stronghold that M'Baku was going to bring his army in at the 11th hour to turn the tide and help save the day.  But, especially for a movie that tried so hard to have such a huge social conscience, that whole sequence seemed like a missed opportunity that needed more.  There wasn't enough for me to see any inner conflict in M'Baku sufficient to send his men in.  It could have been so much better of T'Challa would have gone just a bit further in that dialog and said something like, "I have been wrong, and the kings before me have been wrong.  I do not represent my tribe.  I do not represent the four united tribes.  I represent all of us.  We need your voice and the voice of the Jabari as well.  You deserve a place at the table as equals.  Come down from your mountain stronghold and assume your rightful place as equals."  Or something like that.  Instead, it just kinda came across as, "a REALLY bad dude has taken the throne and everything that comes with it, and if you don't help me, he'll come for you next."  That's all well and good, but I just wanted, well, more.

The action sequences also looked a bit TOO video-gamish at times.  This USUALLY doesn't bother me.  But it is distracting when it takes me out of the moment, which happened here a couple of times.

That said, I come back to the fact that I still enjoyed the film.  Overall, it was well done.  I enjoyed that it had a conscience, more than most of the other Marvel films, and the message it tried to develop.  The sets, and just about everything else about the movie, were stunning and just flat out gorgeous.  There was such beauty in the way everything was constructed, including the characters themselves.  And it felt really authentic.  I was feeling early '90s Oakland (which I am intimately familiar with).  I was feeling Korea (although it took some serious suspension of belief to go along with the idea of the only three Black people in an exclusively Asian club in Asia being able to maintain anything resembling a low profile).  I was feeling Wakanda.  And I loved all of that.  The story itself was also pretty good (although, again, the execution of Killmonger's bigger plan felt too overblown and Bond supervillain-esque).  Overall, good film.  I enjoyed it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 26, 2018, 08:09:11 AM
^ Agree with all of that except for the 'too video-gamish' aspect.  Perhaps that's because I also watch Justice League for the first time on the same weekend.   :facepalm:

Despite all of that, I still put it top 5 in the MCU.
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Post by: lordxizor on February 26, 2018, 08:11:20 AM
I felt pretty much exactly the same as you Bosk, with all the same criticisms. I was a little disappointed with it, but only because of the crazy hype it was getting. It was definitely one of the top handful of MCU movies though.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2018, 08:11:32 AM
I also meant to say that one of the best aspects of the film was T'Challa's own personal hero's journey and his resulting break from the past.  That was outstanding.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 26, 2018, 08:12:04 AM
I think one issue with BP that sums up a lot of these complaints (minus the video game stuff, which I agree) is that BP should have been two films.

One film about Klaue and setting up T'Challah as the king, and the 2nd film about Kilmonger and his whole plot.

Actually, they could have pulled a Superman I/II and kept the same introduction scene and then brought Kilmonger back for the sequel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 26, 2018, 08:23:06 AM
One film about Klaue and setting up T'Challah as the king, and the 2nd film about Kilmonger and his whole plot.

Which would've gotten us a lot more Andy Serkis!
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Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2018, 08:46:35 AM
That could have been really cool.  But I think two Black Panther films might have been a tough sell to the public at large, at least at this stage.  Of course, with the film now having blown up and done extremely well, I think it's easy to assume in hindsight that it would have worked.  But I'm not so sure. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 26, 2018, 09:39:28 AM
That could have been really cool.  But I think two Black Panther films might have been a tough sell to the public at large, at least at this stage.  Of course, with the film now having blown up and done extremely well, I think it's easy to assume in hindsight that it would have worked.  But I'm not so sure.

Totally. Pretty much a catch 22, especially since Michael B. Jordan and his whole arc was a major selling point for the movie. Doubt it'd be doing such numbers if it had just been the Klauewsaweww story.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 26, 2018, 10:09:21 AM
I will also say that I get how hard it is to tell a story on screen when you have so many moving parts and so many segments of an audience you are trying to appeal to.  Maybe that is an argument that the Marvel films now have set a standard for biting off more than they can chew in terms of the amount of content crammed into single films.  But it is what it is at this point.  We can't expect that to change.  It's yet another catch 22 scenario where having too much DOES often detract, but they NEED all that content to meet certain expectations or their film won't sell or will be deemed even more of a failure for not including certain things.  I would be willing to bet that a lot of my "issues" with the film were discussed at some point, and a good many of those may have even had more exposition on film that just ended up on the cutting room floor. 
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Post by: Podaar on February 27, 2018, 06:26:55 AM
One film about Klaue and setting up T'Challah as the king, and the 2nd film about Kilmonger and his whole plot.

Which would've gotten us a lot more Andy Serkis!

Which would've made me stand up and leave!
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Post by: BlackInk on February 27, 2018, 06:44:50 AM
I liked Klaue. Fun villain.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 01, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
Infinity War is now opening worldwide April 27th. Moving the American release date up one week.


Yay!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 01, 2018, 04:19:35 PM
I also like that, with the exception of Spider-Man 2, and Guardians 3, Marvel isn't announcing any titles or plans post Avengers 4.

In fact, I kind of wish they hadn't announced Spider-Man or Guardians. I like the idea of not knowing what will happen before we even get to Avengers 4.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 01, 2018, 11:33:02 PM
Curious how Agents of Shield will tie into it. It feels like the show hasn’t dealt with the movie side of the universe for a while, and with Infinity War being the biggest one yet I would think now is the time.
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Post by: Adami on March 01, 2018, 11:35:28 PM
Curious how Agents of Shield will tie into it. It feels like the show hasn’t dealt with the movie side of the universe for a while, and with Infinity War being the biggest one yet I would think now is the time.

As sad as it is, I doubt it’ll be much of substance.

This is also assuming the show is still around. I’m not sure if the season will be finished or not by April 27th and currently a renewal isn’t looking likely.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on March 01, 2018, 11:42:40 PM
Season 5 will probably be wrapping up when Infinity War hits, with maybe a few episodes left afterwards. It doesn’t have to be a massive part of it, but if they do anything like they did when Age of Ultron came out, I’d be happy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 02, 2018, 06:01:57 AM
jingle.son and I are still pretty far behind - we're only at the episode where Fitz shows up at the end.  I think the preview showed the next episode goes back to the timeline with Fitz in it?  Might try to hammer out a couple of episodes this weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on March 02, 2018, 06:55:48 AM
I really want to get back into Agents of Shield.  I was one of the many that gave up on the show halfway though season 1, and now all I hear is how much better it got.   Just gotta find the time to watch it now!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 04, 2018, 11:48:09 AM
I got caught up with it a few weeks ago, just to make sure I'm ready to go for Infinity War.


Speaking of which, I've been racking my brain as to who and how among the current active MCU heroes could beat Thanos with a fully loaded gauntlet. Granted I don't think we'll see it fully loaded until the end of the movie (I think it's gonna be a cliffhanger end, with resolution coming in the upcoming 2019 movie). But if the gauntlet is truly as powerful as it's revved up to be, it'd be a tough call for any of them to beat him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 04, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
I got caught up with it a few weeks ago, just to make sure I'm ready to go for Infinity War.


Speaking of which, I've been racking my brain as to who and how among the current active MCU heroes could beat Thanos with a fully loaded gauntlet. Granted I don't think we'll see it fully loaded until the end of the movie (I think it's gonna be a cliffhanger end, with resolution coming in the upcoming 2019 movie). But if the gauntlet is truly as powerful as it's revved up to be, it'd be a tough call for any of them to beat him.

Depends what you mean by beat. Physically? No one (unless they drastically change elements of these things) can beat Thanos with the glove. Hell, virtually none of them can beat him without it.

I think it'd have to go the path of Dormamu, where they have to out think/trick him essentially.

Though Marvel will likely go the classic team up move, where they can all physically beat him ONLY when they work together as a team. Blah blah blah.


Also interested to see where Agents will go with the new arc. Cute little Ragnorok reference. I feel like that level of connection is the most we can hope for moving forward.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 04, 2018, 08:54:24 PM
Did anyone catch this week’s episode of Agents of SHIELD? The couple twists at the end got me like :omg:
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Post by: Cyclopssss on March 05, 2018, 01:44:29 AM
Excellent episode! SHIELD rocks this season. 
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Post by: gzarruk on March 05, 2018, 07:19:54 AM
Excellent episode! SHIELD rocks this season.

I wasn’t expecting THAT to happen at the end of the episode. This series is too good to be cancelled.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 05, 2018, 07:59:23 AM
I watched a multiple part series on YouTube yesterday running through the events of the Infinity Gauntlet and now I'm fully up to snuff with how that all goes down in the comics (I've only ever read Spiderman comics, not really anything else) - so now I'm really interested to see how they pull this off with the lack of certain characters. I'm also very curious if any cosmic entities will appear in part 2 or even part 1. I'm almost afraid they won't be able to do justice to the might of the Infinity Gauntlet now.
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Post by: lonestar on March 05, 2018, 12:45:56 PM
Well, isn't Starlord technically a cosmic entity, or at least half entity? So I'm thinking he's gonna play into this somehow. Other than him no one really has the pedigree to stand up to it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 05, 2018, 12:58:47 PM
Well, isn't Starlord technically a cosmic entity, or at least half entity? So I'm thinking he's gonna play into this somehow. Other than him no one really has the pedigree to stand up to it.

Considering I just watched GOTG Vol 2 last night, no he isn't - anymore.  When they blew Ego up, Peter lost his powers.  Ego warned him, and after Ego crumbled, the "light" between Peter's hands vanished.
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Post by: lonestar on March 05, 2018, 02:51:25 PM
Fuck that's right....well then unless something else is introduced, the universe is screwed cause nothing in it currently can stand up to Thanos with the glove. I'm agreeing with Adami that they're gonna trick him out of the glove someway (though he should be able to read minds with it so :dunno: ), or they'll cheapen the impact of the glove and use the ole "together we're stronger" approach.
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Post by: bosk1 on March 05, 2018, 03:55:27 PM
I think it'll be a combination of those two approaches.  But we'll see.  I'm sure it'll be cool.

And I wouldn't count out Starlord somehow learning how to re-tap into that Celestial magic.  Between that and his dance moves/pelvic sorcery, Starlord is more than a match for just about anybody in the Marvel Universe.  Plus, who knows what Captain Marvel's powers will be.  Plus, Adam Warlock.  Plus...who knows?
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Post by: lonestar on March 05, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
I'd gather he's saving all of his pelvic sorcery for getting into Gamora's pants, a venture worthy enough on its own rights.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 05, 2018, 07:13:04 PM
Oh boy I'm out of the loop... Ego is in Guardians 2? I haven't seen it because the first almost put me to sleep. I need to watch now.
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Post by: lonestar on March 05, 2018, 08:31:02 PM
Damn, talk about difference in tastes, GotG #1 is probably my favorite MCU flick. But yeah, Ego is in #2, and there are some other tidbits that might be important to Infinity War.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 05, 2018, 10:57:12 PM
Just don't find any of the cast interesting unfortunately. Very pretty film though, will be fun to see them with the Avengers at least.
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2018, 10:57:32 PM
I think it'll be a combination of those two approaches.  But we'll see.  I'm sure it'll be cool.

And I wouldn't count out Starlord somehow learning how to re-tap into that Celestial magic.  Between that and his dance moves/pelvic sorcery, Starlord is more than a match for just about anybody in the Marvel Universe.  Plus, who knows what Captain Marvel's powers will be.  Plus, Adam Warlock.  Plus...who knows?

Adam Warlock isn't in the movie.

However, Cap Marvel should be interesting in her role.



Speaking of, the writer for Captain Marvel has described the film as a comedy, and described Danvers herself as hilarious.

I dunno. I have read a decent amount of Captain Marvel, and she's NOT a funny person. She's really serious.
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Post by: BlackInk on March 06, 2018, 02:29:50 AM
I’m getting a bit tired of MCU being ”hilarious”. The best movies, those with the most impact, are the more serious ones. So that statement didn’t necessarily inspire much confidence in me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 06, 2018, 08:39:10 AM
I think the humor works depending on characters. The levity works for me personally because each film has some gravity to the plot (planets being destroyed, bad guys getting MacGuffins that will give them some form of power, people dying or getting severely injured etc.) and it's nice to have some humor. The Avengers nailed the balance between the two, in my opinion. And for characters like Spiderman, humor goes hand in hand with the character. I thought it was odd to have so much humor in Thor: Ragnarok, particularly the scene with Surtur, but I still enjoyed it way more than the first two Thor films.

That said I hope Infinity War doesn't have much humor in the big battles. Maybe some smart mouthing from Spidey and some quips from Tony Stark but not much more, please. We're dealing with cosmic annihilation, after all :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 08:42:33 AM
Adam Warlock isn't in the movie.

How do you know?
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 06, 2018, 08:45:23 AM
I think the humor works depending on characters. The levity works for me personally because each film has some gravity to the plot (planets being destroyed, bad guys getting MacGuffins that will give them some form of power, people dying or getting severely injured etc.) and it's nice to have some humor. The Avengers nailed the balance between the two, in my opinion. And for characters like Spiderman, humor goes hand in hand with the character. I thought it was odd to have so much humor in Thor: Ragnarok, particularly the scene with Surtur, but I still enjoyed it way more than the first two Thor films.

That said I hope Infinity War doesn't have much humor in the big battles. Maybe some smart mouthing from Spidey and some quips from Tony Stark but not much more, please. We're dealing with cosmic annihilation, after all :)

Agreed.... they had to do something different from the 1st two Thor movies, so I think the comedic elements - while a little over-done and over-the-top at times - were just what the doctor ordered.  As for the other humour moments, you're spot on that it should largely be left to Spidey, Tony, Starlord, Rocket and Ant-Man (though, I don't know enough about the comic-book character to know if Rudd's comedy value/delivery is true to the character).  Too much from others (like BP, or Cap, or Dr. Strange) would feel forced/out of place.

The comments during the Civil War airport scene were perfect, imo.  "I didn't carbon date him!"  lol

Adam Warlock isn't in the movie.

How do you know?

'cuz it's been repeatedly said that they're saving him for GOTG 3.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 09:15:11 AM
I haven't seen anything definitive on that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 06, 2018, 09:21:38 AM
Kevin Feige himself on Adam Warlock:

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"Adam is not in Infinity War. That is not a tag for Infinity War. [Adam's] always been top of mind for the Guardians franchise. And if he appears anywhere in the future, it'll be with Guardians."

https://www.outerplaces.com/science-fiction/item/16032-kevin-feige-adam-warlock-watchers

No Warlock in Infinity, Guardians 3 at the very earliest.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 09:31:28 AM
Yeah, there's lots of wiggle room in that quote.  He doesn't say "Guardians 3 at the very earliest," or anything of the sort.  The only thing he says for sure is that Adam is not in the next film.  I'm not ruling out anything beyond that.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 06, 2018, 09:56:14 AM
Okay, but the point was that he isn't going to be in Infinity War. Warlock has never been up for consideration in Infinity War in the MCU sadly. It's a shame, but it just ain't happening... The GOTG3 thing is a whole other point though, but it's the most likely option. I don't have the sources on hand at the moment but it's basically been said for a long time now that GOTG3 is the most likely entry point for AW even if it isn't confirmed (which honestly it should be... 3 films deep seems like the perfect number)
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Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 10:10:39 AM
That's all fine.  That's a perfectly valid interpretation.  But he doesn't actually say that, so I'm personally not going to put limits on it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 06, 2018, 10:12:42 AM
That's all fine.  That's a perfectly valid interpretation.  But he doesn't actually say that, so I'm personally not going to put limits on it.

Oh dear lord.... must you lawyers take everything so literally!?!?   :biggrin:  :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 10:16:48 AM
That's all fine.  That's a perfectly valid interpretation.  But he doesn't actually say that, so I'm personally not going to put limits on it.

Oh dear lord.... must you lawyers take everything so literally!?!?   :biggrin:  :P

Go back to what was posted.  I merely threw out a bunch of fun possibilities to an excited chef friend of ours.  It was you guys who then piled on me with over-literal interpretations.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2018, 10:21:15 AM
Because we're actually concerned for Lonestar.


I get that you just want to build him up to break him down, but we actually care about him.

What happens when he goes to see Avengers 3 or 4, with that little glimmer of hope in his eye of seeing Adam Warlock and then......no Adam Warlock? What will he have to live for? He'll not only give up on the MCU, but maybe films as a medium. Then what will he have? Books?

BOOKS?!?!??!

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 06, 2018, 10:30:40 AM
Dude, bosk, relax. Nobody's piling on or attacking you. Chill man  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 10:32:46 AM
:dunno:  I didn't say anybody was.  But I was just being accused of being overly literal, when the context of this entire line of posts should actually say the opposite. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2018, 10:34:59 AM
Dude, bosk, relax. Nobody's piling on or attacking you. Chill man  :lol

Huh?

I mean, I was going to pile on him, but in a very different way.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 06, 2018, 10:35:26 AM
Why so serious? It's all fun here.  :biggrin: EDIT: See Adami.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 10:38:01 AM
Dude, bosk, relax. Nobody's piling on or attacking you. Chill man  :lol

Huh?

I mean, I was going to pile on him, but in a very different way.

:heybaby:

Why so serious? It's all fun here.  :biggrin:

Again, I'm not being overly serious.  The "it's all fun here" is exactly my point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 06, 2018, 10:41:43 AM
You know what they say about text and the Internet... brb, gonna put on my homemade Spiderman onesie and save the day  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 10:52:53 AM
On a more Marvel discussion-related note:  With the relatively rapid pace these films come out, and all the tv shows, it almost seems like we don't really get a chance to discuss these and let them sink in before we're off to the next thing.  Since we're kind of talking about Guardians in general, I wasn't really sure how I felt about Guardians 2 at the time it came out.  I own it, as I do all the Marvel films.  But it's one I think I've watched ONCE at home after seeing it in the theater.  It has some good things going for it, but I never really dug it all that much.  I kind of feel like it is two films.  The stuff with the Ravagers and Yondu was really good.  The stuff with Ego, on the other hand, while having some cool moments, pretty much fell flat for me and just seemed kinda dumb.  I mean, it was really important in a lot of ways.  But in the execution, I just didn't feel like it worked and made for a good movie.  Instead, it was just kind of the foil for a lot of other cool stuff to happen.  The first film was a lot better.  I don't mind silliness, but I just felt like Guardians 2 went too far and didn't really resonate in any meaningful way.  The first one was so unique and fun that I think maybe Gunn just got lost in the tropes he felt forced into, and it's hard to make a good film when you're mainly focused on recapturing lightning in a bottle that made your first film so unique in the first place.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 06, 2018, 12:55:26 PM
My only beef with GOTG 2 was how Nebula just needed a hug to make things all better.  And the Sovereign... they were annoying as hell - but served their purpose.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 06, 2018, 01:19:14 PM
Dude, bosk, relax. Nobody's piling on or attacking you. Chill man  :lol

Huh?

I mean, I was going to pile on him, but in a very different way.

*greases up*
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on March 06, 2018, 03:59:48 PM
Dude, bosk, relax. Nobody's piling on or attacking you. Chill man  :lol

Huh?

I mean, I was going to pile on him, but in a very different way.

Me to.  Time to make an Adami sandwich.

Adami, you jacked and pumped for the new Deadpool movie?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2018, 05:10:03 PM
Dude, bosk, relax. Nobody's piling on or attacking you. Chill man  :lol

Huh?

I mean, I was going to pile on him, but in a very different way.

Me to.  Time to make an Adami sandwich.

Adami, you jacked and pumped for the new Deadpool movie?

Oh man, there is so much to be pumped about.

Deadpool 2, Infinity War, JJ season 2, Luke Cage season 2, Daredevil season 3. Too damn much!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 07, 2018, 04:39:28 AM
It does seem a bit much, one right after the other.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 08, 2018, 01:46:43 PM
Good article:  https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/marvel/271532/black-panther-marvels-heroes-their-past-wrongs-atonement
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 08, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
Okay, who's ready to binge watch Jessica Jones tonight! *raises hand*
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 08, 2018, 03:24:26 PM
meh
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 08, 2018, 03:26:57 PM
I wasn't expecting that response and literally laughed out loud! I suppose we can't all like it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 08, 2018, 03:33:51 PM
Well, I was thinking about it, actually.  But I checked, and I already have "get punched in the face repeatedly by my neighbor" on the calendar for tonight.  So while it's a close call as to which I'd rather do, my current appointment ever so slightly edges out JJ.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 08, 2018, 03:36:29 PM
 :rollin

Okay, okay, I get it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 08, 2018, 03:38:39 PM
Just kidding.  But I never even tried watching season 1, so I'm not jumping in.  If I have time to go back and do season 1 at some point, I will.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 08, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
Season 1 of JJ is my favorite Marvel show ever. For my money it beats all the movies (including Deadpool) and all the other properties.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 08, 2018, 03:47:30 PM
Well, I legitimately thought Deadpool sucked, so that isn't a very good comparison for my tastes.  But overall point taken.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 08, 2018, 03:50:01 PM
....alright.


So apparently Thanos will have very different motivation for the Infinity War movie. I'll put it in small print in case anyone considers it a spoiler.



So apparently instead of wanting to impress lady death, he wants to kill half the universe to save the other half for some reason.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on March 08, 2018, 04:30:17 PM
Well, I legitimately thought Deadpool sucked, so that isn't a very good comparison for my tastes.  But overall point taken.

C.C. Deville said this.  Not my bosk1.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 08, 2018, 04:53:46 PM
Digging into Ep1 now, I'd put JJ at a very close 3rd in the Netflix series right behing DD1 and Punisher, very close, I thought all three were excellent.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 08, 2018, 05:48:33 PM
Yo, Deadpool rocks until the final showdown, although that has its moments too (when he spells out Francis... lol). Tell me you at least laughed, bosk!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ErHaO on March 09, 2018, 01:44:56 AM
....alright.


So apparently Thanos will have very different motivation for the Infinity War movie. I'll put it in small print in case anyone considers it a spoiler.



So apparently instead of wanting to impress lady death, he wants to kill half the universe to save the other half for some reason.

I am fine with that.

If done right, it can make for a much more interesting villain in my opinion, possibly with an ethical dilemma for both the heroes and Thanos? I never liked the plot of Thanos wanting to impress the personification of death, which also would be hard to translate to film and introduce as a concept now. Usually the villains that stick the  most with audiences have something to say or at least a somewhat relatable origin/purpose.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on March 09, 2018, 04:52:04 AM
Hmm the first 3 episodes of JJ2 have been a real slog, hope it improves.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 09, 2018, 05:55:06 AM
Hmm the first 3 episodes of JJ2 have been a real slog, hope it improves.

Really? Wow, I've thought they were great. A nice mystery that is relevant to our hero herself. Good acting. Each episode is chock full of excellently snide comments from Jessica, which crack me up. A very human and nasty antagonist in Chen. I'm happy so far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 09, 2018, 06:29:27 AM
....alright.


So apparently Thanos will have very different motivation for the Infinity War movie. I'll put it in small print in case anyone considers it a spoiler.



So apparently instead of wanting to impress lady death, he wants to kill half the universe to save the other half for some reason.

I am fine with that.

If done right, it can make for a much more interesting villain in my opinion, possibly with an ethical dilemma for both the heroes and Thanos? I never liked the plot of Thanos wanting to impress the personification of death, which also would be hard to translate to film and introduce as a concept now. Usually the villains that stick the  most with audiences have something to say or at least a somewhat relatable origin/purpose.

I'm fine with it too.  His motivation in the comics seems somewhat shallow, and as we know, character depth makes for a good (or bad when there is lack of it) villain.  The worst villains had very shallow purpose to their villainous plans (Vanko, Malekith, Killian etc...)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 09, 2018, 08:01:41 AM
....alright.


So apparently Thanos will have very different motivation for the Infinity War movie. I'll put it in small print in case anyone considers it a spoiler.



So apparently instead of wanting to impress lady death, he wants to kill half the universe to save the other half for some reason.

I am fine with that.

If done right, it can make for a much more interesting villain in my opinion, possibly with an ethical dilemma for both the heroes and Thanos? I never liked the plot of Thanos wanting to impress the personification of death, which also would be hard to translate to film and introduce as a concept now. Usually the villains that stick the  most with audiences have something to say or at least a somewhat relatable origin/purpose.

I'm fine with it too.  His motivation in the comics seems somewhat shallow, and as we know, character depth makes for a good (or bad when there is lack of it) villain.  The worst villains had very shallow purpose to their villainous plans (Vanko, Malekith, Killian etc...)

Also, I think it's consistent with the comics in that this was his original motivation when Thanos was first conceived. The other (more famous) motivation came later in his history (if I remember correctly).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 09, 2018, 09:09:43 AM
He also gets mad at the drop of a hat in the comics.

"Oh, my love, do you see what I have done for you? I have- ... she's walking away! NO! WHAT IS IT YOU DESIRE?!
I HAVE OBLITERATED PLANETS AND BENT THE COSMOS FOR YOU!!! "
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 09, 2018, 10:20:32 AM
Well, yeah.  But if we're all being honest, can any of us say with a straight face that we haven't said those exact words to some chick and some point in time?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 09, 2018, 09:30:50 PM
At Ep7 of S2, enjoying it though not as much as S1, I think it's just missing that epic villain, though they could never outdo Killgrave, he was just too perfect. One thing I will admit to is Jessica is the master of the bitter alcoholic one liners, she drops a few every episode and they're all just perfect.



Edit- Just finished Ep7...outstanding episode, really hit that gritty vibe that makes the Netflix Marvel brand stand out for me from the rest of their output. So well done.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 10, 2018, 07:51:12 AM
Just saw Black Panther. Wow. Need to see it again. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 10, 2018, 07:26:50 PM
Did anyone watch Shield’s 100 episode?  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 10, 2018, 07:34:01 PM
Did anyone watch Shield’s 100 episode?  :hefdaddy

It was good. But I expected a lot more for a landmark episode.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 10, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
Still angry I have no reasonable method of watching the first 5 or 6 episodes of the new season.  >:( :censored
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on March 11, 2018, 10:25:20 AM
I saw it. While I thought ”fear dimension” was a bit silly, I thought the emotional stuff and the reveal at the end made up for it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on March 11, 2018, 09:30:09 PM
Finished Jessica Jones season 2. I liked it, although not quite as much as season 1.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 11, 2018, 09:47:13 PM
I saw it. While I thought ”fear dimension” was a bit silly, I thought the emotional stuff and the reveal at the end made up for it.

I have to say I enjoyed the previous episode more than this one, but it was still awesome and the reveal at the end was worth it.

Still angry I have no reasonable method of watching the first 5 or 6 episodes of the new season.  >:( :censored

I don't live in the US, so I can't watch the episodes when they air on TV, but I stream the show (and many others) online. It might not be the "official" way, but I can still be up to date with my series :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 11, 2018, 09:49:45 PM
Finished Jessica Jones season 2. I liked it, although not quite as much as season 1.

I'm on Ep10, and still enjoying it, but yeah, it doesn't hold up to S1. Killgrave was an unmatched villain and pretty much stole the show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 11, 2018, 10:14:40 PM
I’m only on episode 2, but I more tune in for the psychological aspect of the play between characters....so, so far I have not been disappointed in the slightest.   

It’s a surprisingly well written and subdued season so far.   I’m far more interested in the drama between characters and wordplay than I am about action.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on March 12, 2018, 03:43:51 AM
Yeah, one of JJ’s biggest strengths were characters and dialogue, and all of that is just as good here in season 2. The story is just a little weaker. Still really good though, for the most part.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 12, 2018, 07:57:47 AM
In other news, picked up the Ragnarok BR/DVD this weekend.  I might even like it more the second time through.  My only real complaints are the same ones I had originally:
-The scope just seems a bit too small.  For Asgard to have been big and powerful enough to keep peace throughout the 9 realms, it just felt like a small, sparsely populated city, rather than a major civilization with galactic import.
-Related to that, I just never felt the weight of the threat and doom of Ragnarok. 

But aside from that, I really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 12, 2018, 08:18:13 AM
jingle.kids and I just watched Age of Ultron last night.  I still very much enjoy this movie.  Ant-Man next.  The way that we're pacing this out, and given how good Black Panther is doing in the theatres, it might just still be playing in mid-April, so I'm contemplating a 2nd viewing the week before Infinity War.

I also picked up Ragnarok on BlueRay, and (despite not having re-watched it yet), very much agree with Bosk's sentiments regarding Asgard.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ErHaO on March 12, 2018, 08:40:35 AM
I like Jessica Jones season 2 thus far but I am really missing a big threat thus far, Killgrave elevated season 1 from decent to really good for me personally. And overall it moves really slow, like Luke Cage and The Defenders.

Also, why do these recent Netflix Marvel shows look like they have the budget of a cardboard box? I see stuff like Altered Carbon and really wonder why Whizzer's powers look straight up like a youtuber produced spoof of a superhero. I am not asking for big spectacles or anything, but when there are special effects, they look bad. And most sets have been really boring in some of the last seasons as well (especially the Defenders). Though I thought the Punisher looked good and felt atmospheric throughout.

In other news, picked up the Ragnarok BR/DVD this weekend.  I might even like it more the second time through.  My only real complaints are the same ones I had originally:
-The scope just seems a bit too small.  For Asgard to have been big and powerful enough to keep peace throughout the 9 realms, it just felt like a small, sparsely populated city, rather than a major civilization with galactic import.
-Related to that, I just never felt the weight of the threat and doom of Ragnarok. 

But aside from that, I really enjoyed it.

I agree. And I think they could've fairly easily fixed that by having a fleet of ships instead of one at the end and have larger crowds here and there (just show a fleet of ships in the background and focus on the one Thor and co are at). Wakanda in Black Panther had somewhat the same issue for me personally at times.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 12, 2018, 08:41:59 AM
To put it another way, Waititi seems like almost a genius when it comes to character, dialog, and scene blocking.  And he seems like a really good storyteller as well.  He just doesn't know how to convey such a huge scope, which I think Ragnarok required (but then again, I think he nailed it pretty well with Sakaar, so... :dunno:).  But he is so good at the other things that the flaws are easy to overlook.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 12, 2018, 08:44:20 AM
Wakanda in Black Panther had somewhat the same issue for me personally at times.

Yeah, I agree.  But Wakanda is trickier, IMO.  They can't seem TOO big, because they have remained hidden throughout the ages.  But given the apparently vast geography, the population--and, specifically, the size of their army--did feel too small.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on March 16, 2018, 07:47:08 AM
HOLYSHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwievZ1Tx-8
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 16, 2018, 08:40:54 AM
HOLYSHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwievZ1Tx-8

"I'm Peter, by the way."
"Dr. Strange."
"Oh, we're using our made-up names now, well, I'm Spider-man"  :rollin

The line, "I hope they remember you" gave me goosebumps. Friend's buying our IMAX tickets shortly, can't wait.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 16, 2018, 10:25:43 AM
Got Thursday night tix- dead centre of the theatre. IMAX 3D

Thought the trailer was ok... was kinda hoping for a bit more to be revealed.

I'm still calling Cap and Thor to bite the dust. Others as well, but those two being the biggest.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TioJorge on March 16, 2018, 12:03:45 PM
That's...new, you want more revealed in a trailer? I mean, more will be revealed in...y'know, the full movie.  :lol

It was a good trailer, I thought; hyped up and showed a bit of story (but on the other end of the aforementioned thought process, I think less is more with trailers) while showing the BOOM BANG POW scenes. It comes out on my birthday but I don't think I'll be seeing it on the day of...I don't wanna be packed in like a sardine. I'll definitely try to see the next two (and presumably last of the years in the making story at the moment) in theaters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 12:06:01 PM
Good trailer. Glad they didn't reveal much more.

I wouldn't worry Jingle, about 3 weeks leading into the movie, Marvel will start releasing TV spots that should show about 3/4 of the movie to you ahead of time.

I got my IMAX tickets Thursday night of but at 1030. Gonna be a late night.


Also that scene of Cap actually giving Thanos a proper challenge is great.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 16, 2018, 01:00:35 PM
I wouldn't worry Jingle, about 3 weeks leading into the movie, Marvel will start releasing TV spots that should show about 3/4 of the movie to you ahead of time.

That's the thing... I don't want TOO much, just was hoping for a bit more - but respect they don't want to blow some of the big reveal stuff.  I watched everything that was put out leading up to Age of Ultron - all the spots, character spotlights, featurette's, TV spots... I'd basically seen about 20 minutes of the movie before it even opened.  I hated myself for it.  Now, the ONLY thing I watch is the official trailers.  If I see a TV spot, ok - but I DVR most TV anyway, so hardly see anything.

So, all the clips still show Thanos with 2 (perhaps 3) stones - Power and Space.  My guess is that the Reality is on his thumb, we just never seen an angle with it.  So, he's on Earth to get Time and Mind, and the Soul stone is still a mystery - at least based on all the clips to date.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2018, 01:35:44 PM
That's a really good trailer.  As most of Marvel's are.  But I feel like the Infinity War trailers are up there will the ones for Age of Ultron, Civil War, and Ragnarok in terms of really raising the anticipation. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 03:14:40 PM
That's a really good trailer.  As most of Marvel's are.  But I feel like the Infinity War trailers are up there will the ones for Age of Ultron, Civil War, and Ragnarok in terms of really raising the anticipation.

Yea, I think no matter how good this movie is, it'll get a lot of "meh, not as good as I hoped"

At this point all but casual fans are essentially writing their own versions in their head and when this movie doesn't match up to it, they'll be disappointed.

All I'm reading about is the damn soul stone and who will die. Somehow, most people aren't too interested in discussing the storyline, characters or much else besides the soul stone and who will die.

Feige recently said that he was inspired by the finale for Star Trek TNG where no one died, but there was a sense of personal character arc closure. So I think we're all going in just watching it, waiting for someone like Iron Man or Cap to die, and won't be too invested in what is actually happening.

It's like when you find out there's a cameo or something in a movie, so you watch it waiting for it, and aren't really engaged for much else.

Shame. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 16, 2018, 04:03:36 PM
Yeah, I hear you.  But then again, on this forum, I tend to pretty frequently beat the drum of, "can't we just set aside expectations and enjoy this for what it is?" 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 05:05:35 PM
Yeah, I hear you.  But then again, on this forum, I tend to pretty frequently beat the drum of, "can't we just set aside expectations and enjoy this for what it is?"

I expect not.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 16, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
Apparently Infinity War has already sold more tickets, after going on sale this morning, than Black Panther. Jeeze. I knew this movie was hyped, but holy cow. This thing is going to absolutely kill at the box office...

Kamelot is playing in Chicago on release night so I gotta catch it the next day. I hope I can avoid spoilers for at least 24 hours.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 08:05:05 PM
Apparently Infinity War has already sold more tickets, after going on sale this morning, than Black Panther. Jeeze. I knew this movie was hyped, but holy cow. This thing is going to absolutely kill at the box office...

Kamelot is playing in Chicago on release night so I gotta catch it the next day. I hope I can avoid spoilers for at least 24 hours.

I will be DMing you every single spoiler.

Every. Single. Spoiler.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 16, 2018, 08:16:27 PM
Given that Black Panther (in the timeline) happens a week after Civil War, jingle.kids and I are gonna go Ant-Man - Civil War - Black Panther - Spidey - Dr. Strange - Ragnarok in the coming weeks.  That way, we still get BP in some decent sized theatres.  Plus, jingle.daughter didn't join us on release day, but now wants to see it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 08:18:26 PM
Yea the timeline raises some questions.

According to Scarlet, which isn't necessary official info, Infinity War takes place like 2-3 years after Civil War. That would mean Spidey is about 18 or so years old. So will Spiderman 2 go back in time or have him be like 18+?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 16, 2018, 09:03:45 PM
Yeah... same with that Collider link someone posted a while back.  Spidey movies seem to disregard his age and the timeline in the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 16, 2018, 10:26:56 PM
Apparently Infinity War has already sold more tickets, after going on sale this morning, than Black Panther. Jeeze. I knew this movie was hyped, but holy cow. This thing is going to absolutely kill at the box office...

Kamelot is playing in Chicago on release night so I gotta catch it the next day. I hope I can avoid spoilers for at least 24 hours.

I will be DMing you every single spoiler.

Every. Single. Spoiler.

Look, if you want me to log out forever that badly, just say so  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 16, 2018, 10:38:16 PM
Apparently Infinity War has already sold more tickets, after going on sale this morning, than Black Panther. Jeeze. I knew this movie was hyped, but holy cow. This thing is going to absolutely kill at the box office...

Kamelot is playing in Chicago on release night so I gotta catch it the next day. I hope I can avoid spoilers for at least 24 hours.

I will be DMing you every single spoiler.

Every. Single. Spoiler.

Look, if you want me to log out forever that badly, just say so  :lol


I know who you are. I know what you want. If you are looking for cinematic bliss, I can tell you I don't have empathy, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop trying to enjoy this movie, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you, but if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you and I will spoil you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 17, 2018, 01:37:15 AM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on March 17, 2018, 09:11:42 AM
How many Avengers do you think will be killed off? I could see two of the main characters and maybe a couple more minor ones between Infinity War and the follow up movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 17, 2018, 09:18:34 AM
Apparently Infinity War has already sold more tickets, after going on sale this morning, than Black Panther. Jeeze. I knew this movie was hyped, but holy cow. This thing is going to absolutely kill at the box office...

Kamelot is playing in Chicago on release night so I gotta catch it the next day. I hope I can avoid spoilers for at least 24 hours.

I will be DMing you every single spoiler.

Every. Single. Spoiler.

Look, if you want me to log out forever that badly, just say so  :lol


I know who you are. I know what you want. If you are looking for cinematic bliss, I can tell you I don't have empathy, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop trying to enjoy this movie, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you, but if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you and I will spoil you.

 :lol :lol :lol

How many Avengers do you think will be killed off? I could see two of the main characters and maybe a couple more minor ones between Infinity War and the follow up movie.

My gut feeling: Iron Man, Captain America, Vision are definitely biting the dust.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2018, 10:58:43 AM
Permanent deaths - Cap, Thor, Heimdall, Korg, Loki .... maybe Mantis, some of the Wakandan's

TBD - Wong, WarMachine, Falcon, either Nebula *or* Gamorha (the latter not being a permanent one though)

Not permanent - Spidey and maybe Iron Man.

Untouchable - Strange, BP, Hulk, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Ant-Man, White Wolf, most of the Guardians.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 17, 2018, 11:41:48 AM
There have been published pics of Cap on the set of Avengers 4, if he bites it, it won't be in this film. Same goes for Stark and Banner.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on March 17, 2018, 01:02:56 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they waited until 4 to kill off any of the major characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 17, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
I'd think ending no.3 with a big death would be a brutal cliffhanger and a massive dick thing to do, which compels me to think that's exactly what they're gonna do.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 17, 2018, 04:12:12 PM
When asked about major characters dying, Feige said this.....

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People always will jump to that but that’s not necessarily what we’re talking about. I talk a lot, because I’m a big-ass nerd, about Star Trek: The Next Generation, ‘All Good Things.’ That to me is one of the best series finales ever. That wasn’t about death. Picard went and played poker with the crew, something he should have done a long time ago, right?

So I won't be going in waiting for anyone to die. I want any deaths to be impactful. If I have a long list of potential deaths, then the most I can experience is like "ah, there it is" when or if it happens. Seems like a lame way to be impacted.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2018, 04:25:09 PM
When asked about major characters dying, Feige said this.....

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People always will jump to that but that’s not necessarily what we’re talking about. I talk a lot, because I’m a big-ass nerd, about Star Trek: The Next Generation, ‘All Good Things.’ That to me is one of the best series finales ever. That wasn’t about death. Picard went and played poker with the crew, something he should have done a long time ago, right?

So I won't be going in waiting for anyone to die. I want any deaths to be impactful. If I have a long list of potential deaths, then the most I can experience is like "ah, there it is" when or if it happens. Seems like a lame way to be impacted.

That's you, and that's ok.  For me, I'm totally fine with speculating and not having it impact my viewing experience.

And here's another thing that Fiege said - in that same interview - about character deaths:

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Yes. I mean, I could always list off the characters that we’ve killed in our movies that haven’t come back, but the big ones, which I know they’re looking at …? [Pause.] I would just say, yes. People need to be careful what they wish for.”

There have been published pics of Cap on the set of Avengers 4, if he bites it, it won't be in this film. Same goes for Stark and Banner.

Yup, I know... alternate realities/timelines and flashbacks could esplain that.  Or, me just being flat out wrong.  There's that too.  It does happen from time to time - or according to mrs.jingle, all the time.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 17, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
Are you saying that other people might experience things differently than me?

Nonsense.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 17, 2018, 04:44:13 PM
Are you saying that other people might experience things differently than me?

Nonsense.

Well, at least Stadler.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 17, 2018, 04:45:08 PM
Are you saying that other people might experience things differently than me?

Nonsense.

Well, at least Stadler.

But he's always wrong.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 17, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
Can we give Turk his just due for being the real glue that holds the Netflix series' together?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 18, 2018, 10:36:58 AM
I just noticed something about the new movie poster for Infinity War.   Hawk Eye is not in the group photo...and Jeremy Renner is not listed among the stars.   Wiki confirms that he is supposed to be in the movie.  I just think that’s pretty messed up considering he is one of the original Avengers...even if he is a sort of “also ran” he still should be in the poster if he’s in the movie.   I mean sheesh....the librarian from Dr Strange is in the poster...but Hawk Eye isn’t?   That’s just poor form.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 18, 2018, 11:18:37 AM
Wong is pretty important in the Dr. Strange world. His role as a "librarian" in the Dr. Strange movie was not an accurate portrayal of his role in the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 18, 2018, 11:21:05 AM
Wong is pretty important in the Dr. Strange world. His role as a "librarian" in the Dr. Strange movie was not an accurate portrayal of his role in the comics.

...but at the expense of Hawkeye?   An original Avenger?  Who *IS* in the film?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 18, 2018, 11:22:18 AM
Wong is pretty important in the Dr. Strange world. His role as a "librarian" in the Dr. Strange movie was not an accurate portrayal of his role in the comics.

...but at the expense of Hawkeye?   An original Avenger?  Who *IS* in the film?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYcyaU2U8AEoN5j.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 18, 2018, 11:52:35 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 18, 2018, 12:16:58 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 18, 2018, 02:02:50 PM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 18, 2018, 02:28:16 PM
I love the Internet  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 18, 2018, 02:59:22 PM
I just noticed something about the new movie poster for Infinity War.   Hawk Eye is not in the group photo...and Jeremy Renner is not listed among the stars.   Wiki confirms that he is supposed to be in the movie.  I just think that’s pretty messed up considering he is one of the original Avengers...even if he is a sort of “also ran” he still should be in the poster if he’s in the movie.   I mean sheesh....the librarian from Dr Strange is in the poster...but Hawk Eye isn’t?   That’s just poor form.
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/the-avengers/feature/a844303/avengers-infinity-war-trailer-hawkeye-fan-theory/
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 18, 2018, 03:05:04 PM
I admit I haven't seen every poster or piece of art, but has Ant-Man appeared in any of it either?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 18, 2018, 05:07:01 PM
I just noticed something about the new movie poster for Infinity War.   Hawk Eye is not in the group photo...and Jeremy Renner is not listed among the stars.   Wiki confirms that he is supposed to be in the movie.  I just think that’s pretty messed up considering he is one of the original Avengers...even if he is a sort of “also ran” he still should be in the poster if he’s in the movie.   I mean sheesh....the librarian from Dr Strange is in the poster...but Hawk Eye isn’t?   That’s just poor form.
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/the-avengers/feature/a844303/avengers-infinity-war-trailer-hawkeye-fan-theory/

Very interesting read.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 19, 2018, 02:31:48 AM
I read/see a  lot of people on the net who apearantly don't like the way season two of Jessica Jones ended. Shame, I liked it a lot. Kudo's for the writers for doing something other than the predictable. Overall I thought it was great, not as great as season one was, but pretty close.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on March 19, 2018, 06:30:15 AM
Thor Ragnarok was awesome.  I think I agree with Bosk that Ragnarok seemed to be an afterthought - it's supposed to be this big event, but was over in a matter of minutes.  Other than that, it was a lot of fun to watch.  Still haven't seen the last Spiderman, though I'll wait until I get a 99 cent rental again from Google Play.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 19, 2018, 07:56:36 AM
I read/see a  lot of people on the net who apearantly don't like the way season two of Jessica Jones ended. Shame, I liked it a lot. Kudo's for the writers for doing something other than the predictable. Overall I thought it was great, not as great as season one was, but pretty close.

Totally agree. I really loved season 2.


Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on March 19, 2018, 08:25:29 AM
I read/see a  lot of people on the net who apearantly don't like the way season two of Jessica Jones ended. Shame, I liked it a lot. Kudo's for the writers for doing something other than the predictable. Overall I thought it was great, not as great as season one was, but pretty close.

Totally agree. I really loved season 2.

Yeah, I forgot to post my thoughts on season two as well.

I really loved that there wasn't a "villain" per se. Instead, we got themes of ambition, addiction, mental states (With great power comes great mental illness), family and loyalty. Each had pitfalls to be overcome by Jess and others. No one was truly evil but there did seem to be a lot of dark/questionable motivations. I loved how Malcom, Trish and Jeri all got worse as the season unfolded. Trish may be my favorite character to hate now.  :)

Anyway, loved season 2. Not as impactful or frightening as season 1, but it did managed to steer clear of a lot of comic cliches while still being very much a gritty comic story. Good on Netflix.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on March 20, 2018, 01:09:23 PM
Wasnt' really planning to but went ahead and bought IMAX 2D tickets to the opening screening on Thursday night at 7 pm. Still over a month to wait.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on March 20, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
I just realized Infinity War opens the day after we go on vacation. I won't be able to see it for probably 3 weeks after it comes out. Hopefully I'll be able to avoid spoilers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 21, 2018, 11:16:09 AM
Really cool article/interview linked below about Infinity War.  Before putting the link in, let me just say that, in a general sense, it is fairly spoilery.  But as far as specifics, it's not really spoilery at all.  Just depends on your tolerance.  Overall, it's a really cool read about the challenge of making a movie (or, more precisely, two movies) of such a huge scope, and the challenge of continuity with the ever-growing MCU.  There's also a lot in there about developing Thanos as a very deep and relatable character.  Again, it is couched in general terms and about the mechanics of it all and not in terms of specific plot points, so I think most people won't have a problem reading it.  But for those who want to keep away from anything other than a trailer or two, you might want to avoid it.

https://collider.com/avengers-infinity-war-christopher-markus-stephen-mcfeely-interview/#ant-man
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 25, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
Finished Season 2 of JJ and I really really like it.    Made me want to go back and try and watch Daredevil again and see if I can't work my way up to the Defenders.   Still never seen that.   But I feel like I should try and finish Luke Cage and Iron Fist before I dive into Defenders.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 25, 2018, 08:09:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=159&v=D86RtevtfrA

New deadpool trailer. Hell yeah
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 25, 2018, 11:43:21 PM
J-dude, you're not missing much with the Defenders. It was a nice effort, but no more than that. Same with Iron Fist.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on March 26, 2018, 01:24:30 AM
This isn't a Marvel vs DC post - well it kind off is I guess, but it's more for perspective.  It is likely Black Panthers US domestic total (currently 630m) will be higher than Justice Leagues Worldwide total (657m). 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2018, 07:39:37 PM
So apparently Ronan and Korath from Guardians, as well as Coulson well appear in Captain Marvel.

Interesting. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 26, 2018, 09:45:51 PM
So apparently Ronan and Korath from Guardians, as well as Coulson well appear in Captain Marvel.

Interesting.

Just when I thought they’d never include anyone from AOS in the movies anymore :eek It’s not present day Coulson, but it’s better than nothing.

Also, apparently there was a Captain Marvel easter egg on Black Panther, becuause Everett Ross was an air force pilot, just like... Carol Danvers. So, we might see him too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 26, 2018, 10:42:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=159&v=D86RtevtfrA

New deadpool trailer. Hell yeah

"It's hard to understand you with that pity dick in your mouth..."

Yup, that'll be used in the kitchen.




Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 27, 2018, 09:53:20 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29542005_1791384834491082_3479746616123644290_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=6078b1734961e9d3682bcdf81fa4f39d&oe=5B366F4F)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 27, 2018, 09:54:14 PM
I feel like the Hawkeye thing has to be intentional. It can't be THAT much of an oversight.


Plus, that silly Hawkeye poster I posted earlier, the directors of Infinity War have made it their official profile picture.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 27, 2018, 10:13:53 PM
POSSIBLE SPOILERS HERE


















Apparently, Barton has taken the mantle of Ronin, so showing him on the trailers would be a big spoiler.
There's a leaked photo of Jeremy Renner wearing part of the Ronin suit from the Infinity War set.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/bc226b11c169905bd880df29c4f42e69/tumblr_oydmztfT6K1unzss9o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on March 28, 2018, 08:44:16 AM
I feel like the Hawkeye thing has to be intentional. It can't be THAT much of an oversight.


Plus, that silly Hawkeye poster I posted earlier, the directors of Infinity War have made it their official profile picture.

The directors addressed Hawkeye recently and said that he has been doing his own thing since Civil War and it will be explained in the film.  I think the spoilery post above alludes to it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 28, 2018, 12:27:39 PM
Just saw a link to an article claiming that a spoiler was just dropped about the ending of Infinity War.  Hard to say whether there is any truth to it or if it was just a click-bait false headline (the site it linked to is one of a handful of sources that regularly report on every little thing relating to Marvel, Star Wars, etc. that often has actual interviews with reliable sources, but also often has garbage that is taken out of context or exaggerated).  But it just highlighted to me personally that I think it is time to go dark on everything related to Infinity War. 

Regarding the Hawkeye thing, I have seen what you are referring to, Grapp.  That was first mentioned and the pic in question released a few weeks ago.  I don't know anything about the character/identity that is referenced, so I don't know the significance, if any, other than Hawkeye getting a new, cool-looking suit. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 28, 2018, 12:41:18 PM
Just saw a link to an article claiming that a spoiler was just dropped about the ending of Infinity War.  Hard to say whether there is any truth to it or if it was just a click-bait false headline (the site it linked to is one of a handful of sources that regularly report on every little thing relating to Marvel, Star Wars, etc. that often has actual interviews with reliable sources, but also often has garbage that is taken out of context or exaggerated).  But it just highlighted to me personally that I think it is time to go dark on everything related to Infinity War. 

Regarding the Hawkeye thing, I have seen what you are referring to, Grapp.  That was first mentioned and the pic in question released a few weeks ago.  I don't know anything about the character/identity that is referenced, so I don't know the significance, if any, other than Hawkeye getting a new, cool-looking suit.

I keep seeing shit in my YT feed with thumb-nails and headings that might be spoilery.  The above spoiler - which would've been better to link the url for the images, rather than the images themselves... kinda hard to avoid it it when the pics are right there - was something I'd heard but like you Bosk, don't know the significance/relevance.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 28, 2018, 12:49:18 PM
Yeah, I think I'll stay away from YT.  I should probably tell the boys to do the same (although they probably won't).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 28, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
Problem is I follow a handful of other things there.   :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 28, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
I am fine with maneuvering around spoilers online, and I think I'll be good, but what I fear most is standing in line on Saturday, the day after the premiere, and someone walking by spoiling the ending or who dies, like when people drove by shouting the huge secret spoiler in the 6th Harry Potter book when that came out. Jerks. Didn't happen with Star Wars though...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 28, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
I am fine with maneuvering around spoilers online, and I think I'll be good, but what I fear most is standing in line on Saturday, the day after the premiere, and someone walking by spoiling the ending or who dies, like when people drove by shouting the huge secret spoiler in the 6th Harry Potter book when that came out. Jerks. Didn't happen with Star Wars though...

Two magical words....

Ear
Buds
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 28, 2018, 02:48:24 PM
Two magical words....

Ear
Buds

I'm still not used to people being allowed to have that openly in public, and all the different state/fed laws are confusing.  You are allowed to have a certain number of buds, or is it by weight?  And how do they help you not get spoilers?  Is it because you are not coherent enough to get it?  I'm really confused.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 28, 2018, 04:09:23 PM
They're a 'right' in Canada.  Your confusion does not surprise me, even though you're a NorCal guy.   :lol :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: nattmorker on March 28, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
Finished Jessica Jones season 2. I liked it, although not quite as much as season 1.

I'm on Ep10, and still enjoying it, but yeah, it doesn't hold up to S1. Killgrave was an unmatched villain and pretty much stole the show.

I'm the opposite, I liked season 2 more than season 1. Kilgrave was fine, but i'm enjoying more the show without him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 28, 2018, 06:26:28 PM
I really loved season 2. I like Kilgrave more as a character than any of the antagonists here, but I might like this season, as a whole, more.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 28, 2018, 08:46:46 PM
That's cool except you're both wrong. S1 is better. :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 28, 2018, 09:51:11 PM
Don't know if I'd say "better"....but it's like my kids.   I like them both equally for different reasons.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 29, 2018, 04:24:35 AM
Don't know if I'd say "better"....but it's like my kids.   I like them both equally for different reasons.

Yeah, but that's just what we tell our kids to make the less-loved ones feel better.   :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 29, 2018, 08:42:05 AM
Yes.  And I really, truly do love jammindude and jingle.boy equally--but just differently and for different reasons.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 29, 2018, 11:06:59 AM
Yes.  And I really, truly do love jammindude and jingle.boy equally--but just differently and for different reasons.

Bosk? Was I an accident?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 29, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
I can neither confirm nor deny that allegation.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 29, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
Yes.  And I really, truly do love jammindude and jingle.boy equally--but just differently and for different reasons.

Bosk? Was I an accident?

Everything Bosk does is an accident.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 29, 2018, 11:24:00 AM
Yes.  And I really, truly do love jammindude and jingle.boy equally--but just differently and for different reasons.

Bosk? Was I an accident?

You were a happy surprise.



Stads on the other hand.......
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 29, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
Yes.  And I really, truly do love jammindude and jingle.boy equally--but just differently and for different reasons.

Bosk? Was I an accident?

You were a happy surprise.



Stads on the other hand.......

Goddamn tequila...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 29, 2018, 06:49:08 PM
Yes.  And I really, truly do love jammindude and jingle.boy equally--but just differently and for different reasons.

Bosk? Was I an accident?

You were a happy surprise.



Stads on the other hand.......

I disagree.  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on April 03, 2018, 05:02:19 AM
So any thoughts on who'll wind up dead on Infinity Wars?  Vision seems the obvious choice, I reckon we will lose one of Iron Man or Cap America (probably in the final shot) too, outside those I can also see Nebula dying too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 03, 2018, 05:19:55 AM
Permanent deaths - Cap, Thor, Heimdall, Korg, Loki .... maybe Mantis, some of the Wakandan's

TBD - Wong, WarMachine, Falcon, either Nebula *or* Gamorha (the latter not being a permanent one though)

Not permanent - Spidey and maybe Iron Man.

Untouchable - Strange, BP, Hulk, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Ant-Man, White Wolf, most of the Guardians.

Really don't know where Vision falls into this.  Part of me thinks that he might assume a similar role that Adam Warlock had in the Infinity Guantlet comic storyline.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 03, 2018, 07:52:53 AM
I really don't feel invested in predicting who will die.  I just want a good story, independent of who lives or dies. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on April 06, 2018, 11:41:27 PM
I chalk it up to just lowering my expectations.    I mean, you guys had me thinking that Iron Fist was going to be the Manos: The Hands of Fate version of Marvel.      Because I've lowered my expectations to THAT level....I'm actually enjoying Iron Fist.   :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 06, 2018, 11:45:22 PM
I chalk it up to just lowering my expectations.    I mean, you guys had me thinking that Iron Fist was going to be the Manos: The Hands of Fate version of Marvel.      Because I've lowered my expectations to THAT level....I'm actually enjoying Iron Fist.   :rollin :rollin

Oh no, that would be Inhumans.

Iron Fist just isn't good. It's not the worst thing ever. It's mostly perfectly watchable and sometimes even gets good. Colleen Wing is amazing. The Beacham people or whatever can be pretty good.

It's just Mr. I'm Danny Raaaaaaaand that ruins much of it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on April 07, 2018, 04:36:35 AM
I am the Danny Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!
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Post by: BlackInk on April 07, 2018, 01:24:16 PM
While I like AoS, this ”science” about time is bullshit.
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Post by: Adami on April 07, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
While I like AoS, this ”science” about time is bullshit.

Haven't seen the new episode yet, but I feel like that applies to almost every time travel story I've ever seen. Few exceptions, but mostly it comes off as nonsense convenient to the plot.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2018, 08:06:10 AM
Finally began picking up the MCU on Blu-ray; started with Spiderman: Homecoming and Thor: Ragnarok. I saw Spidey in theaters, but Ragnarok was for the first time. What a fantastic movie - definitely top tier Marvel. Jeff Goldblum was killer. I really appreciate that they took a humorous route with Ragnarok, because honestly I don't like the first two Thor films: very cookie cutter, boring, overly serious superhero films with characters I never cared at all about. Even Heimdall is more enjoyable in this one. And the colors! They're so vibrant!

I really enjoyed how it opened with a fight against Surtur with Zeppelin playing. The whole film is a thrill from start to finish, and I love what they did with Hulk: they actually gave him character and some personality and even dialogue. He wasn't once again just a powerhouse monster, he was a person: and even when he was fighting, he actually felt some purpose. Winning, and pleasing the crowd. He was essentially a glorious gladiator, and I like that about Hulk. He doesn't need a standalone film (I ignore the one after Iron Man, it's just not interesting to me), he just needs to be utilized this well in other films.

Also, Dr. Strange. Did not expect him to be in it and I LOVED his scene!
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Post by: gzarruk on April 10, 2018, 11:06:35 AM
Also, Dr. Strange. Did not expect him to be in it and I LOVED his scene!

The best part is when Loki tries to attack Strange :rollin
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Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2018, 11:21:56 AM
Also, Dr. Strange. Did not expect him to be in it and I LOVED his scene!

The best part is when Loki tries to attack Strange :rollin

"Okay, bye!" That killed me  :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on April 10, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
I SO want to do a marathon of all the films before Infinity War.  And I'm SO not going to have the time for anything close to that.  :lol 

Can't believe I'm so excited for this film.  But then again, this is something we have been building toward for ten years, so I guess it's understandable.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 10, 2018, 07:53:08 PM
I SO want to do a marathon of all the films before Infinity War.  And I'm SO not going to have the time for anything close to that.  :lol 

Can't believe I'm so excited for this film.  But then again, this is something we have been building toward for ten years, so I guess it's understandable.

jingle.kids and I just have Dr. Strange and Thor to watch, then we've run through all of them (though... we've seen Thor2 enough times that we skipped over it - I think that's my least enjoyed MCU flick).

In the words of Chuck Wollery.... 2 and 2 (weeks and days though).  So jacked for this.
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Post by: lonestar on April 10, 2018, 08:30:46 PM
I SO want to do a marathon of all the films before Infinity War.  And I'm SO not going to have the time for anything close to that.  :lol 

Can't believe I'm so excited for this film.  But then again, this is something we have been building toward for ten years, so I guess it's understandable.

jingle.kids and I just have Dr. Strange and Thor to watch, then we've run through all of them (though... we've seen Thor2 enough times that we skipped over it - I think that's my least enjoyed MCU flick).

In the words of Chuck Wollery.... 2 and 2 (weeks and days though).  So jacked for this.

I finished a full run before Black Panther, including AoS. The only part of the MCU proper that I'm missing is Agent Carter.

And yes, I'm fucking psyched, I could open a car trunk with the nerd boner I'll be sporting for the next two weeks.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on April 10, 2018, 11:32:46 PM
Watched both seasons of Agent Carter back in the day. First one was good and fun, the second was lacking though. Hayley Atwell did a great job.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2018, 07:28:49 AM
And yes, I'm fucking psyched, I could open a car trunk with the nerd boner I'll be sporting for the next two weeks.

So, you're saying...it's very small and has several notches in it?
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Post by: lonestar on April 11, 2018, 08:22:40 AM
And yes, I'm fucking psyched, I could open a car trunk with the nerd boner I'll be sporting for the next two weeks.

So, you're saying...it's very small and has several notches in it?

Yeah, but more importantly it'll be stiff enough to work the tumbler in the lock...
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Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2018, 08:24:09 AM
Well, sure.  But some locks prefer larger...um...keys.  Or so I've heard.
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Post by: Adami on April 11, 2018, 08:25:39 AM
I gave the whole rewatch thing some thought.

Then I realized that Infinity War is not the culmination of everything, Avengers 4 is.

So my plan is to do a huge rewatch before Avengers 4.

And since I plan on doing a (mostly) chronological re-watch, it works out well. I can start with Captain America, then go see Captain Marvel in theaters, then move on to Iron Man etc.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2018, 08:51:59 AM
Then I realized that Infinity War is not the culmination of everything, Avengers 4 is.

Well, sort of.  But my understanding is that, although they removed the "Infinity War" title from 4 and have said that 3 and 4 aren't just one long movie split into two films, they are still really two essential parts of one story.  So I think the proper way to view it is along the lines of 3 being more or less the "beginning of the culmination" and 4 being the "ending of the culmination," for lack of a better term.

But still, nothing wrong with your plan.  Well, except one minor (truly) detail:

So my plan is to do a huge rewatch before Avengers 4.

And since I plan on doing a (mostly) chronological re-watch, it works out well. I can start with Captain America, then go see Captain Marvel in theaters, then move on to Iron Man etc.

Well, no, not Captain Marvel.  That comes out after Avengers 4.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 11, 2018, 09:11:02 AM
I'm definitely gonna be the big marathon before 2019's big Avengers flick, whatever it's called. Plus, I'll be able to add Ant-Man and the Wasp and Infinity War to the list (https://oi67.tinypic.com/1rp53k.jpg)
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Post by: Adami on April 11, 2018, 10:11:49 AM
Then I realized that Infinity War is not the culmination of everything, Avengers 4 is.

Well, sort of.  But my understanding is that, although they removed the "Infinity War" title from 4 and have said that 3 and 4 aren't just one long movie split into two films, they are still really two essential parts of one story.  So I think the proper way to view it is along the lines of 3 being more or less the "beginning of the culmination" and 4 being the "ending of the culmination," for lack of a better term.

But still, nothing wrong with your plan.  Well, except one minor (truly) detail:

So my plan is to do a huge rewatch before Avengers 4.

And since I plan on doing a (mostly) chronological re-watch, it works out well. I can start with Captain America, then go see Captain Marvel in theaters, then move on to Iron Man etc.

Well, no, not Captain Marvel.  That comes out after Avengers 4.

Captain Marvel comes out March 6 2019. Avengers 4 comes out May 3rd 2019.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2018, 10:16:09 AM
Oops, my mistake.  You are correct.
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Post by: Adami on April 11, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
Oops, my mistake.  You are correct.


(https://i.imgur.com/RjhgRow.gif)
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 21, 2018, 04:42:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/r5bavoN.jpg)
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 22, 2018, 01:36:05 PM
I am not a hardcore Marvel fan, but as Infinity War approaches, I find myself becoming very excited. This weekend, I re-watched three of the films in order to prepare myself for next week. I must say that Marvel have created something really special with this universe. It's the Tim Duncan of film franchises: Insane consistency and longevity that you might take for granted in the moment but is damn impressive in hindsight. I can't wait to see what's next!
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Post by: The Walrus on April 22, 2018, 02:59:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/r5bavoN.jpg)

All hail Titanos.

I too am super psyched for this film. That's all I've been thinking about all weekend. Infinity this, Infinity that, just let me make it to the dimming of the lights without spoilers and I'm good. I'll be in line with my friends but I'm going to have earbuds in. I refuse to give people the chance to spoil this for me.
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Post by: TioJorge on April 24, 2018, 12:16:54 AM
Okay, the new Venom trailer officially has me stoked after seeing the transformation.

Not watching any other trailers though, that was perfect and I have no doubt that it being this early in the year, they'll probably spoil a good quarter of the rest of the film by the time it is released.


Also this is the best Infinity War trailer. This is an indisputable fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Mn4WASPvc
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Post by: aurorablind on April 25, 2018, 05:39:18 AM
Just saw IW.
I won't say a word..only...holy fuck!!
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Post by: Podaar on April 25, 2018, 06:59:30 AM
Okay, the new Venom trailer officially has me stoked after seeing the transformation.

Not watching any other trailers though, that was perfect and I have no doubt that it being this early in the year, they'll probably spoil a good quarter of the rest of the film by the time it is released.


Also this is the best Infinity War trailer. This is an indisputable fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Mn4WASPvc

I must say, that's the first Marvel trailer I've ever watched that made me think, :umno:

[edit] BTW, I was talking about the Venom trailer. [/edit]
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2018, 07:27:24 AM
34 hours to go.  jingle.kids and I have IMAX 3D at 7:30 tomorrow.

:giggity:
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 07:32:45 AM
Also this is the best Infinity War trailer. This is an indisputable fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Mn4WASPvc

CAN'T BELIEVE THEY JUST PUT SPOILERS OUT THERE LIKE THAT!   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


On another note, a question occurred to me yesterday.  In the first two Iron Man films, we have Tony based in his place in Malibu.  But then he builds Stark Tower -> Avengers Tower in New York.  I don't recall there ever being an explanation of why.  Anyone know?
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 25, 2018, 08:32:40 AM
On another note, a question occurred to me yesterday.  In the first two Iron Man films, we have Tony based in his place in Malibu.  But then he builds Stark Tower -> Avengers Tower in New York.  I don't recall there ever being an explanation of why.  Anyone know?
Do you mean why he built and moved to Stark Tower? While he was staying there in The Avengers I think it was a building that was more for Stark Industries rather than intended as a replacement for his personal home - he still lived at the house in Malibu in Iron Man 3 before it was destroyed. So it probably makes sense to think of it as a better replacement for Stark Industries HQ / Research labs after they got trashed at the end of Iron Man 1, and as a way to highlight the arc reactor energy in a very visible way (since the tower was powered by it).
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 08:49:49 AM
Yeah, but why NY and not LA? 
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2018, 09:05:52 AM
Yeah, but why NY and not LA?

East Coast > West Coast

Duh.
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2018, 09:06:56 AM
Yeah, but why NY and not LA?

East Coast > West Coast

Duh.

Very true.
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Post by: lonestar on April 25, 2018, 09:25:31 AM
Yeah, but why NY and not LA?

East Coast > West Coast

Duh.

Very true.

:umno:
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 10:05:51 AM
No, but the point is that Tony was West Coast based and could probably see downtown L.A. from his house, so it just seemed odd that ALL of his operations suddenly shifted locations like that without any sort of explanation. 

Ultimately, it's not a big deal.  But just wanted to see if there was any info dropped in the films (or something in the comics for those who read) that would have given any explanation.
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Post by: Grappler on April 25, 2018, 10:13:57 AM
Wikipedia pretty much says that Stark Tower was always in New York.   And the idea of the film was that Loki needed a massive power source to sustain the open portal to space.  That was probably the reason.

Read the plot for Infinity War.   :omg:  I won't be seeing it in the theater, but will rent it on digital once it's available, so the spoilers don't matter to me.  The trailers have revealed very little of the story, and it's incredible that they've kept it so secret until the premieres.

Edit - Wikipedia was full of spoilers for a while this morning and someone changed the page back.   :lol
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 25, 2018, 11:39:16 AM
I figured the answer would just be "They wanted the Avengers to be set in New York" (with the in-universe answer being "For whatever reason businesses sometimes move from city to city"), but from a Wiki it does say something about Stark Industries wanting to continue their relationship wth New York after dealing with the clean up battle at Stark Expo (Iron Man 2). Maybe that comes from a tie-in comic. So I guess the best answer is it was to make up to New York for the destruction caused at the Stark Expo. I imagine the city was thrilled to have a safe and sensible investment from Stark Industries that would have no major incidents or damages associated with it.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
I imagine the city was thrilled to have a safe and sensible investment from Stark Industries that would have no major incidents or damages associated with it.

Yeah, probably.  I hope that worked out well for them.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2018, 12:13:39 PM
"The Avengers" have always been a New York thing in the comics - along with Dr. Strange, Spidey, and FF - probably many other comic book franchises.  I think the "move" from LA to NY was just for plot-line conveniences, and any explanation was conveniently swept under the rug.

It also sets up a possibility for the West Coast Avengers name/faction to come into the MCU.
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2018, 12:21:13 PM
I was just thinking, based on RuRoRul's post.

How is Tony Stark still in business? Who the hell wants to do major business with a dude they know will likely attract a god damn alien attack?
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2018, 12:23:13 PM
I'm not sure finding business partners is the issue.  Now insurance, on the other hand...
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Post by: jammindude on April 25, 2018, 02:16:35 PM
I was just thinking, based on RuRoRul's post.

How is Tony Stark still in business? Who the hell wants to do major business with a dude they know will likely attract a god damn alien attack?

When you’ve got things people want that no one else can deliver...
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2018, 02:19:23 PM
I was just thinking, based on RuRoRul's post.

How is Tony Stark still in business? Who the hell wants to do major business with a dude they know will likely attract a god damn alien attack?

When you’ve got things people want that no one else can deliver...

You go Justin Hammer. The Mucci to Starks Gucci.
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Post by: lonestar on April 25, 2018, 03:04:56 PM
*waits for tiny script to start*
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Post by: jammindude on April 25, 2018, 03:05:02 PM
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/33D2A86C-1418-44FD-99A3-336C770E433A_zps68mnivmg.png)
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2018, 03:25:28 PM
Hi Lonestar.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2018, 03:31:59 PM
I haven't felt this much hype for a movie since... ever. I want to catch it before Kamelot by taking a half day of work, but my friend who I'm seeing it with on Saturday will be mad if we don't see it for the first time together, and there's no way I could fake my reactions after the first time  :lol

This week needs to hurry up... so jealous of everyone who's already seen it.
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Post by: BlackInk on April 26, 2018, 02:21:32 AM
Saw the movie last night. Oh my god...
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Post by: The Walrus on April 26, 2018, 07:59:56 AM
Last-minute catching up: I saw Guardians of the Galaxy 2 last night. A bit too campy sometimes, too much obvious 'they're just staring at nothing in front of a green screen' for most of the film, I was bored by the final battle, but I like the idea of introducing celestials and all that. I also don't like this shoehorned romance between Gamora and Quill.

That said I think I like the cast a bit more now. Mantis is cute. Really looking forward to seeing how they interact with the Avengers. Only 2 more days for me...
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Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 08:44:02 AM
Last-minute catching up: I saw Guardians of the Galaxy 2 last night. A bit too campy sometimes, too much obvious 'they're just staring at nothing in front of a green screen' for most of the film, I was bored by the final battle, but I like the idea of introducing celestials and all that. I also don't like this shoehorned romance between Gamora and Quill.

That said I think I like the cast a bit more now. Mantis is cute. Really looking forward to seeing how they interact with the Avengers. Only 2 more days for me...

Yeah, I had a lot of issues with Guardians 2 myself.  Maybe not all the specifics you mentioned, but those capture the essence of what I think the underlying issues were.  So, yeah.  Still a decent, fun movie.  And it moved the ball significantly, even if indirectly, in terms of the overall MCU story arc.  So it's fine.

I didn't have any issue whatsoever with the Quill/Gamora relationship though.  I mean, that was forecast big time in the first one.  And Quill was set up as the kind of character that would obviously go for whatever female happens to be in proximity.  So I didn't feel like it was "shoehorned" in at all. 

Saw the movie last night. Oh my god...

And with that, I'm going to probably have to stay out of the thread (and off MANY parts of the Internet) to avoid spoilers...
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Post by: The Walrus on April 26, 2018, 10:08:54 AM
I just think it's shoehorned from the stance of 'okay, it's a film, we need romance to happen somewhere... bingo, now let's make it happen no matter what.' I would've rather this just been superhero fun time without the romance, but you can't get always get what ya want, eh? Still, Baby Groot was much more fun than I expected, and I actually liked Yondu more in the second film. But yeah, as far as moving the needle towards bigger and more epic stuff in the future, ooooh baby, I cannot wait for Adam Warlock.
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Peter is just such a horndog though. A Quill/Drax relationship would have even made some sense.

I think the worst forced or shoehorned romance yet is still Hulk/Widow.

"I'm a monster!"
"Me too! I can't have kids!"

Eeeeeesh.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2018, 12:03:05 PM
I think the worst forced or shoehorned romance yet is still Hulk/Widow.

"I'm a monster!"
"Me too! I can't have kids!"

I agree with the bolded.  ...except for the fact that, despite being shoehorned in...it kinda worked pretty well, actually.

As to the latter, I hate, hate, HATE that characterization, which too many articles at the time were written about.  That is clearly NOT what she was saying and completely misses the point.
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2018, 12:19:28 PM
I think the worst forced or shoehorned romance yet is still Hulk/Widow.

"I'm a monster!"
"Me too! I can't have kids!"

I agree with the bolded.  ...except for the fact that, despite being shoehorned in...it kinda worked pretty well, actually.

As to the latter, I hate, hate, HATE that characterization, which too many articles at the time were written about.  That is clearly NOT what she was saying and completely misses the point.

Well obviously I am just poking fun at what I see as poor writing. I also disagree that it worked pretty well. Her calming him down was fine. If she had a specific relationship with Hulk but not Bruce, that would have been cool. But she and Bruce just made no sense.
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Post by: ErHaO on April 26, 2018, 12:19:50 PM
I actually thought Hulk and Widow worked. I think a large part of Widow's initial care for Bruce is that she feels responsible for pulling him in and indirectly leading towards him losing it more and more. And she faced that anger/lack of control  ("monster") first hand in the Avengers, thus probably felt inclined to do something about it (calming him down/comforting him). From there on, their relationship obviously developed between the films, which to me logically extends to Bruce himself. Ideally there would be a middle film where the relationship starts to develop, but looking at the characters and their background, I think it works. It doesn't just amount to Widow feeling like a monster because she was raised as one. Their connection stems from early in the first film.
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Post by: SleeperAwake on April 26, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
So it turns out Infinity War is pretty good.
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Post by: aurorablind on April 26, 2018, 01:56:24 PM
It is.
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Post by: Accelerando on April 26, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
Seeing it tonight! Here's my ranking of the MCU films

1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Black Panther
4. Iron Man
5. Captain America: Civil War
6. The Avengers
7. Doctor Strange
8. Thor
9. The Incredible Hulk (FIGHT ME)
10. Spider-Man: Homecoming
11. Thor: Ragnarok
12. Captain America: The First Avenger
13. Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 2
14. Thor: The Dark World
15. Ant-Man
16. Iron Man 3
17. Avengers: Age of Ultron
18. Iron Man 2

I think the worst forced or shoehorned romance yet is still Hulk/Widow.

"I'm a monster!"
"Me too! I can't have kids!"

Eeeeeesh.

One of my biggest quips about Age of Ultron, and I have a lot of them!
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2018, 05:21:19 PM
Ugh. I hate rankings.


That said.... :biggrin:

....and this can change on an hourly basis.


1. Winter Soldier
2. Civil War
3. Iron Man
4. Avengers
5. Spiderman
6. Black Panther
7. Thor Ragnorack
8. Ant Man
9. Guardians of the Galaxy
10. First Avenger
11. Thor
12. Age of Ultron
13. Iron Man 3
14. Dr. Strange
15. Guardians 2
16. Iron Man 2
17. Hulk
18. Dark World
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2018, 07:08:47 PM
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

https://youtu.be/L3ymBk6Vb04
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Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2018, 07:22:41 PM
At the theater now. If I was a puppy I'd be running around in circles peeing all over the place.
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 26, 2018, 07:44:05 PM
Leave for the theater in 45 minutes. Can't freaking wait.
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2018, 07:45:52 PM
Because I wasn't terribly intelligent at the time, when I bought tickets, I forgot there was another IMAX theater like 25 min away.

I thought the one near me was the only one and it only had IMAX tickets for 10:30pm.


So I'm going to see a 2.5 hour movie at 10:30pm, and I have to be up at 6 the next day.



BAH.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 26, 2018, 08:38:23 PM
The hype is real. That was everything I wanted and expected it to be.
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Post by: jammindude on April 26, 2018, 09:10:32 PM
I have tickets for Saturday night.   The wait is going to freakin kill me.   
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Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
7 pm show to IMAX 2D show. Movie was phenomenal. The whole movie gave me goosebumps. I'm still in awe.
It should be noted I'm not a huge marvel fan.
Won't post spoilers.
It was great watching the movie in a hall filled with super nerds.
Their reactions were nerdgasmic and it made the experience even more enjoyable.
Rewatch coming soon.
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Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2018, 10:42:04 PM
 :omg: :omg: :omg:

I really can't say more than that....


It was great watching the movie in a hall filled with super nerds.
Their reactions were nerdgasmic and it made the experience even more enjoyable.

The one reason why I wanted to catch the first showing, even if I was stuck in row 2 of an IMAX. I'd like to talk about some of the nerd reactions, including mine, but that in itself would be a spoiler. Ain't saying shit about this movie for a little bit, everyone needs to be fresh and naive for it.

Will be catching it again in a mid day showing when it's nice and empty.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Polarbear on April 26, 2018, 11:25:53 PM
I may be the odd one here, but I haven't been all that excited about Infinity War. Trailers have been pretty good, but I just don't get all that excited about it. Judging by the trailers, it looks pretty anticlimactic.

That said, I'll go watch it when I have time. Don't want to rush into the first screenings, with the super nerds. I want an unspoiled experience.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on April 27, 2018, 12:35:38 AM
Oh my goodness y'all. What a ride. Very happy I have tickets to see it again tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MetalJunkie on April 27, 2018, 12:58:50 AM
Welp. How the fuck do we recover from that?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 27, 2018, 02:34:28 AM
Good god.....
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on April 27, 2018, 03:01:13 AM
I have minor quips about the writing and plot conveniences, but...

Man, that was good. There were finally stakes in an Avengers movie that felt truly threatening. And when you thought those stakes couldn't get higher, it punches you in the gut. This really helped the pacing and attentiveness of a movie that had a few different storylines to tell ala The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. And that post-credit scene is probably the most relevant of the entire MCU post credit scenes!

The patience of the past 10 years definitely paid off. And that patience is where the Marvel Cinematic Universe succeeds the most and where others have failed or are still trying to find their footing.


I may be the odd one here, but I haven't been all that excited about Infinity War. Trailers have been pretty good, but I just don't get all that excited about it. Judging by the trailers, it looks pretty anticlimactic.

That said, I'll go watch it when I have time. Don't want to rush into the first screenings, with the super nerds. I want an unspoiled experience.

I was the same way. But after seeing the film, I'm excited to tell people to go see it
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 27, 2018, 04:29:39 AM
jingle.son and I are going to try and go again Monday afternoon.

Welp. How the fuck do we recover from that?

The did in the comics.

Thanos was a fantastic villain.  I'll leave my posts completely spoiler free (even no tiny font) for the next couple of days.  I loved the opening night vibe.  There were 3-4 moments when the theater went nuts!

And yeah... best post credits scene in a long time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2018, 12:40:55 PM
I think the one thing above all that pleased me the most is that they didn't water down Thanos one bit. He was about as much a badass as he could possibly be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 01:11:52 PM
I'm not seeing it until next week.  But for those who have:  What is the one film or small handful of films you would say it is a good idea to go back and watch prior to seeing it?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 27, 2018, 01:14:58 PM
I'm not seeing it until next week.  But for those who have:  What is the one film or small handful of films you would say it is a good idea to go back and watch prior to seeing it?

Hmmmm

Iron Man
Captain America First Avengers
Ragnorack
Civil War
Winter Soldier
Black Panther
Guardians 1 & 2
Maybe Thor 1 or 2?
Avengers
Age of Ultron
Dr. Strange
Spiderman


...yea. It's a list. This is NOT a stand alone movie. Nor really should it be, but yea. If you're already familiar with those movies to a good degree, you're good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 27, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
My buddy bought my ticket and I was going to repay him for it tomorrow at the theater, but part of his job is managing the social media so he just said don't worry about it - as long as I could photoshop his face and his coworkers' faces onto the Infinity War poster, to put on Facebook. So I did. :lol Still gonna pay him back, though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 27, 2018, 01:32:20 PM
I'm not seeing it until next week.  But for those who have:  What is the one film or small handful of films you would say it is a good idea to go back and watch prior to seeing it?

"Go back"?  Is it safe to assume you've seen them all at some point already?  If not, there are some that are important/mandatory to see, and some (mostly pre-Age of Ultron) that could be skipped altogether - except GOTG 1.  That's meaningful.

I think the most key ones to RE-watch would be (in no particular order):

Age of Ultron
Dr. Strange
Ragnarok
Civil War
Black Panther
Spidey
Guardians 2

Anyone watching Infinity War without having seen those is going to miss some important connections.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on April 27, 2018, 01:50:22 PM
I'm not seeing it until next week.  But for those who have:  What is the one film or small handful of films you would say it is a good idea to go back and watch prior to seeing it?

"Go back"?  Is it safe to assume you've seen them all at some point already?  If not, there are some that are important/mandatory to see, and some (mostly pre-Age of Ultron) that could be skipped altogether - except GOTG 1.  That's meaningful.

I think the most key ones to RE-watch would be (in no particular order):

Age of Ultron
Dr. Strange
Ragnarok
Civil War
Black Panther
Spidey
Guardians 2

Anyone watching Infinity War without having seen those is going to miss some important connections.

Guardians 1 is the movie that introduces the Infinity Stones, so that movie is pretty essential. I would argue that Cap 1 and Avengers 1 is pretty important as well.
Black Panther and Spidey was introduced in Civil War, and what happens in those stand-alone movies doesn't really have an impact on IW. Neither does really Guardians 2.

I would say that the most important movies to watch are:

Captain America 1
The Avengers
Guardians 1
Age of Ultron
Civil War
Dr.Strange
Thor Ragnarok
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
"Go back"?  Is it safe to assume you've seen them all at some point already? 

Of course.  And with two boys in the house, we've seen them all SEVERAL times over* (except Panther, which we only saw once in the theater).  I just didn't know if there were any grand connections to any particular films that it might help to brush up on.


*My basic formula for life is, I calculate that not bringing my shopping cart back to the corral saves me about :30 per store visit.  So I keep a tally, and once I've racked up enough minutes "saved" to equal the amount of a MCU film, we watch it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 27, 2018, 02:56:54 PM

Guardians 1 is the movie that introduces the Infinity Stones, so that movie is pretty essential. I would argue that Cap 1 and Avengers 1 is pretty important as well.
Black Panther and Spidey was introduced in Civil War, and what happens in those stand-alone movies doesn't really have an impact on IW. Neither does really Guardians 2.

Have you seen IW yet?  If so, I'm baffled at this assessment.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 27, 2018, 03:01:56 PM

Guardians 1 is the movie that introduces the Infinity Stones, so that movie is pretty essential. I would argue that Cap 1 and Avengers 1 is pretty important as well.
Black Panther and Spidey was introduced in Civil War, and what happens in those stand-alone movies doesn't really have an impact on IW. Neither does really Guardians 2.

Have you seen IW yet?  If so, I'm baffled at this assessment.

I can see his point, but only so far as plot goes. But plot really isn't the most important part of this film. It's the characters, their relationships and how they've developed. You definitely need those movies for that aspect of it.

But if it's ONLY about following the general plot, then I can see them not being necessary.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 27, 2018, 03:58:39 PM
Fair point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on April 27, 2018, 04:18:10 PM
Yeah, what I really ment is if you are just an average movie-goer and want to catch up with things that doesnt leave you utterly confused.
Yes, Black Panther introduces Wakanda and a lot of characters, but the plot of the movie is not THAT essential to the overall plot of IW. Wakanda as a location is though, so watching Black Panther is still recommended.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 27, 2018, 05:15:36 PM
*My basic formula for life is, I calculate that not bringing my shopping cart back to the corral saves me about :30 per store visit.  So I keep a tally, and once I've racked up enough minutes "saved" to equal the amount of a MCU film, we watch it.

Well played.

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Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2018, 12:27:45 PM
*My basic formula for life is, I calculate that not bringing my shopping cart back to the corral saves me about :30 per store visit.  So I keep a tally, and once I've racked up enough minutes "saved" to equal the amount of a MCU film, we watch it.

(https://i.imgur.com/cnNxDan.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2018, 12:52:30 PM
This is a Deadpool 2 post, but I dunno where else to put it.



So I was watching that whole audition scene again, and realized there's a poster on the back wall directly referencing Captain Marvel and Mar-Vell. I thought it was a cool little touch.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2018, 01:03:11 PM
*My basic formula for life is, I calculate that not bringing my shopping cart back to the corral saves me about :30 per store visit.  So I keep a tally, and once I've racked up enough minutes "saved" to equal the amount of a MCU film, we watch it.

(https://i.imgur.com/cnNxDan.gif)

:clap:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 28, 2018, 03:56:31 PM
This is a Deadpool 2 post, but I dunno where else to put it.



So I was watching that whole audition scene again, and realized there's a poster on the back wall directly referencing Captain Marvel and Mar-Vell. I thought it was a cool little touch.

The Presley vs Cayson one?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2018, 03:57:08 PM
This is a Deadpool 2 post, but I dunno where else to put it.



So I was watching that whole audition scene again, and realized there's a poster on the back wall directly referencing Captain Marvel and Mar-Vell. I thought it was a cool little touch.

The Presley vs Cayson one?

Yea. I can't figure out the relevance of the names, but it might mean something.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2018, 06:59:12 PM
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Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 28, 2018, 08:23:33 PM
So the deaths....not like Game of Thrones deaths where they're legit dead. Kind of a copout to have a cliffhanger like this only to have a copout solution in a future film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 28, 2018, 08:34:02 PM
So the deaths....not like Game of Thrones deaths where they're legit dead. Kind of a copout to have a cliffhanger like this only to have a copout solution in a future film.

Well the deaths you're talking about were obviously not permanent.

SOME, however.....were. I am pretty sure Heimdall, Gamora, Loki, and Vision are dead. But, sorry you didn't dig it.



Also I guess we're just into spoilers now? I"ll stick to small font for now.
This is why I went in not caring about who dies. It's not just never going to be satisfactory.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2018, 09:33:44 PM
I just got out of it and don't know what to do with myself. I was wrong on every single prediction I made about this movie. It ticked every box, it lives up to the hype (and more), and literally the only complaint I have was related to some CGI on one character in a very small shot. That's it.

Screw critics who say it's overstuffed, just a setup for part 2, blah blah... if you like the MCU, you'll love this. Saw Iron Man in theaters almost 10 years ago to the day with my best friend, and we just left Infinity War 100% satisfied. I want to see it tomorrow, and then Monday, and then Tuesday.

I was this close to going back in for another viewing. Man... WOW.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2018, 11:53:15 PM
I just got out of it and don't know what to do with myself. I was wrong on every single prediction I made about this movie. It ticked every box, it lives up to the hype (and more), and literally the only complaint I have was related to some CGI on one character in a very small shot. That's it.

Screw critics who say it's overstuffed, just a setup for part 2, blah blah... if you like the MCU, you'll love this. Saw Iron Man in theaters almost 10 years ago to the day with my best friend, and we just left Infinity War 100% satisfied. I want to see it tomorrow, and then Monday, and then Tuesday.

I was this close to going back in for another viewing. Man... WOW.

Pretty much my take on it as well, I was that blown away. I only had one issue with one character use in a scene where something or someone more could have been used, just didn't make any sense to me. If someone has a deeper perspective from the comics I'd appreciate some enlightenment....


I'm talking about Red Skull and his scene with the Soul Stone. I know he didn't die in Captain #1, but he just seemed like such an underwhelming persona for such an important scene. Seemed to me that would have been a perfect spot to use Death, since she is so closely tied to the original story with Thanos. I'm not very well versed in the comic version though, so please correct me if I'm off base here....
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 29, 2018, 12:02:45 AM
I just got out of it and don't know what to do with myself. I was wrong on every single prediction I made about this movie. It ticked every box, it lives up to the hype (and more), and literally the only complaint I have was related to some CGI on one character in a very small shot. That's it.

Screw critics who say it's overstuffed, just a setup for part 2, blah blah... if you like the MCU, you'll love this. Saw Iron Man in theaters almost 10 years ago to the day with my best friend, and we just left Infinity War 100% satisfied. I want to see it tomorrow, and then Monday, and then Tuesday.

I was this close to going back in for another viewing. Man... WOW.

Pretty much my take on it as well, I was that blown away. I only had one issue with one character use in a scene where something or someone more could have been used, just didn't make any sense to me. If someone has a deeper perspective from the comics I'd appreciate some enlightenment....


I'm talking about Red Skull and his scene with the Soul Stone. I know he didn't die in Captain #1, but he just seemed like such an underwhelming persona for such an important scene. Seemed to me that would have been a perfect spot to use Death, since she is so closely tied to the original story with Thanos. I'm not very well versed in the comic version though, so please correct me if I'm off base here....

Well Death wouldn't have made any sense either. I was thinking Adam Warlock since he has a big connection to the Soul Stone in the comics, but I knew he wasn't in the movie. It could have been either a nobody, a very deep random pull from the comics, or someone like Red Skull who got pulled by the other stone anyway. I guess they thought this choice made the most sense. I thought it was cool, even if a bit random.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2018, 12:06:59 AM
What Adami said. :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on April 29, 2018, 02:04:11 AM
Just got back......and WOW.....JUST WOW....

And I feel justified in what I said a year ago. When they FIRST took out the “part 1” I told everyone....”don’t believe it. It’s still part 1. They are just trying not to tell you beforehand that they are going to leave you with a cliffhanger.”
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Polarbear on April 29, 2018, 03:03:37 AM
I said screw it, and read the plot synopsis for Infinity War. I wasn't losing my sleep over Infinity War, and I'm not all that sensitive about spoilers anyway so went ahead.

What I read was pretty ballsy. I'm now pretty excited to see how they pull it off. Can't wait to see it now!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 29, 2018, 06:05:12 AM
What Adami said. :)

Exactly. 

My minor 'nit's'

CGI Red Skull was too bad.  Not sure why Hugo Weaving has a hate on for Marvel movies.  The voice actor they got did a fabulous job
The ONLY CGI issue I had with Thanos was on Sanctuary with Gamora, when he sat down on the stairs in front of his throne.  That was kinda awkward, but the ONLY time I noticed it
Didn't like how Gamora gave up the Soul Stone as quick as she did, just because Nebula was getting tortured.  She was wanted Peter to kill her, and was willing kill herself before Thanos got it, but gave it up after a few screams from Nebula???  Nebula... who spent 1.5 movies trying to kill her!
Thor made a comment of the Mind and Time Stones being safe on Earth.  How did he know the Time stone was on Earth?  Strange never mentioned it in their interaction from Ragnarok.
How did Thor know to go to Wakanda after Stormbreaker was forged?
Didn't really like how all four of the Black Order were bested.


Just had to get that out.  I'll wait until tomorrow before discussing anything more.  I assume we should be good for non-tiny-font tomorrow?  I know some still will not have seen it, but I guess you'll just have to avoid this thread.   :biggrin:

Also, really confused as to why Marvel (and other studios) use footage in trailers that doesn't show up in the movie.  Some of the missing footage doesn't make any sense either ( the group charging out of the forest in Wakanda led by Cap includes the Hulk - who never came out at all after the opening scene - which is a whole other discussion!)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on April 29, 2018, 07:47:40 AM
The trailers nowadays are purposely adding footage that is not in the movie to throw off people's expectations I think. Also as it happens the trailer is made by another marketing team not connected with the movie making process.

Sometimes plans changes when editing and they leave out or change things that were shown in the trailer.

That said, regarding your comment on the CGI, I think they legitimately did an outstanding job and I didn't care to notice for the most part. I'm sure on second viewings I'll be able to make out more. But in a movie that was so heavily CGI dependent, I think they got away with most of it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2018, 07:57:52 AM
This isn't spoilery, so: my only complaint about the CGI involved Gamora as she looks up at Thanos when it's snowing. Look at her face and you can see the edges fade in and out where her hair moves behind her cheek and forehead.

Thanos looked absolutely incredible and truly frightening at times.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 29, 2018, 08:21:36 AM
The trailers nowadays are purposely adding footage that is not in the movie to throw off people's expectations I think. Also as it happens the trailer is made by another marketing team not connected with the movie making process.

Sometimes plans changes when editing and they leave out or change things that were shown in the trailer.

That said, regarding your comment on the CGI, I think they legitimately did an outstanding job and I didn't care to notice for the most part. I'm sure on second viewings I'll be able to make out more. But in a movie that was so heavily CGI dependent, I think they got away with most of it.

Don't get me wrong, the CGI was top notch, A+ job for sure.  Just a couple of instances where it was a bit 'off'.  Not Steppenwolf-off, but just not as good (perfect?) as 98% of the rest of the movie.  Again, MINOR nit on my part.

jingle.kids just left to go see it again with some friends; jingle.son and I are back in the theatre tomorrow afternoon.  It's that... fucking ... good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on April 29, 2018, 10:12:08 AM
The trailers nowadays are purposely adding footage that is not in the movie to throw off people's expectations I think. Also as it happens the trailer is made by another marketing team not connected with the movie making process.


This.

And I could have sworn Ant Man was shown in the original trailer as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2018, 10:52:57 AM
I damn near jumped out of my seat at this scene, because I was on the edge of my seat the entire movie and didn't even think about it until it was happening:

HE THREW THE FRICKIN MOON!!! I remember seeing a very fuzzy leak of it a long time ago, but when he actually did it, OMG!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on April 29, 2018, 11:52:50 AM
For sure, there were some jaw-dropping sequences that really had me on the edge of my seat. I really am itching pretty bad to go watch it again today.

I've been re-watching some of the older MCU movies, finished Guardians of the Galaxy and am on Age of Ultron. Ultron has actually aged better than I thought, I think I would've preferred it going to a direction more story driven than action oriented.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2018, 12:13:24 PM
For sure, there were some jaw-dropping sequences that really had me on the edge of my seat. I really am itching pretty bad to go watch it again today.

I've been re-watching some of the older MCU movies, finished Guardians of the Galaxy and am on Age of Ultron. Ultron has actually aged better than I thought, I think I would've preferred it going to a direction more story driven than action oriented.

I don't think Ultron has aged well, but after watching Infinity War, I'm down to watch it again in a truncated MCU marathon, so that it leads sooner into Infinity War, and is slightly more focused on Vision that way.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on April 29, 2018, 02:09:27 PM
I just realized everyone who was dead in Tony's vision in AOU survived Thanos.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on April 29, 2018, 02:41:50 PM
I damn near jumped out of my seat at this scene, because I was on the edge of my seat the entire movie and didn't even think about it until it was happening:

HE THREW THE FRICKIN MOON!!! I remember seeing a very fuzzy leak of it a long time ago, but when he actually did it, OMG!!

That was off the fucking hook man...there was a rather vocal dude in the theater I saw it at opening night who screamed at the screen "WHAT THE FUCK IS HE DOING??????"

Telling ya man, that opening night audience was priceless.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 29, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
I just realized everyone who was dead in Tony's vision in AOU survived Thanos.

Yeah, it's all the original Avengers that survived + Rhodey and Nebula.  I don't think they ever showed if Shuri made it?

Telling ya man, that opening night audience was priceless.

Damn straight!

Times that the theater I was in went nuts:


Stan Lee
Iron Man nanites
Iron Spider
Captain America on the scene.
Multiple Dr. Stranges
Wanda joining the Wakanda battle
Thor landing in Wakanda with Stormbreaker - probably the biggest pop
Stormbreaker to the heart of Thanos
Paging Captain Marvel


Probably others, but that's what I remember.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2018, 03:05:20 PM
Dr. Strange in battle (the later one, not the first one) was so amazing. That's just another example of why he's one of my favorite Marvel heroes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 29, 2018, 03:42:00 PM
Just got back.  Here's my review.










HOLY S#!T!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on April 29, 2018, 04:05:44 PM

Times that the theater I was in went nuts:


Stan Lee
Iron Man nanites
Iron Spider
Captain America on the scene.
Multiple Dr. Stranges
Wanda joining the Wakanda battle
Thor landing in Wakanda with Stormbreaker - probably the biggest pop
Stormbreaker to the heart of Thanos
Paging Captain Marvel


Probably others, but that's what I remember.

Yeah, same with mine. Personally the most hilarious moment was ...The dude next to me was on a date, possibly a first date, and wasn't totally up to snuff with his Infinity War knowledge, especially the comic book version(destroying half the universe), so when it all ended and the credits started rolling, I hear this disparaging voice next to me say "they lost??!!!?!?!!!??"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ErHaO on April 29, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Just saw it, yes this film is something special. Not just a retread of the first two Avengers films with more heroes and a bigger baddie. Pretty ballsy film overall and it successfully uses the MCU's prior 18 films worth of baggage.

Stakes were huge and the film is balanced perfectly, even taking the proper time for many emotional scenes and letting some shots linger when appropriate. I thought this film was less stuffed than Age of Ultron and Civil War to be honest, or at least better balanced and paced. Only one cut was mildly confusing for a second, when they did a flashback. No idea where the overstuffed critique is coming from. Also, the CGI is top notch for the most part. No really spotty scenes like Ragnarock and especially Black Panther had. And it looks like 10-12 years ahead in tech compared to Justice League, not even kidding (which I also watched a part of this week).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 29, 2018, 07:02:58 PM
What I love about the movie is it's all over the place but doesn't feel all over the place.  I usually don't like too many characters in a movie but because I've followed the MCU,  I'm invested in all these characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Architeuthis on April 30, 2018, 05:04:14 AM
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Good to see that Geddy Lee is getting out to the movies now that he's not touring with Rush..  :yarr
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Architeuthis on April 30, 2018, 05:07:26 AM
Haven't seen the movie myself,  but it looks like it is a must see in the theaters. I just got around to watching Guardians of the Galaxy 2, fun movie!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 30, 2018, 06:15:18 AM
I really enjoyed IW. The MCU is really special and I'm trying to soak it in as much as possible while it's here. While not absolutely necessary, I would definitely recommend brushing up on the prior films if possible. Can't wait to see what happens next!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on April 30, 2018, 07:31:11 AM
We saw it in 3-D, because Mrs. Orbert made the reservations and didn't realize that it was a 3-D showing.  In general, I avoid 3-D because I wear prescription glasses, but apparently they've made some decent advances in 3-D tech the last 15 years or so because it rarely bothered me and even enhanced things a few times, quite noticeably.

It was pretty freakin' amazing.  So many characters, introduced individually or in small groups, unusual subgroupings, and each getting at least something reasonably interesting to do.  That can't have been easy to balance.  Ha ha, balance!  Anyway, I thought that that aspect of it was very well done.  And as others have said, even with all that, they had time for some character development, lingering shots, and even plenty of fun banter, each appropriate to the character(s) in the scene.  Very well written, and again it can't be easy to write for so many different characters and different styles.

I'm not surprised that the end credits seemed to last like 20 minutes (I'm sure it was closer to 10, not sure by how much) and of course some people didn't stick around for the post-credits scene.  Seriously?  How many Marvel movies have you seen, and you don't know that there can be one or more "extra" scenes?  I've heard some people say that they avoid them.  Why?  They're not spoilers as such.  They're actually small (and sometimes large) parts of the legitimate overall story.

Anyway, it was a pretty good flick.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 30, 2018, 07:36:17 AM
I can only suspect anyone NOT sticking around for the post-credits scene is on their 2nd (or more) viewing, and has seen it already.  When we go this afternoon, I'm not sure I'll see the need to stick around the extra 10 minutes.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Chino on April 30, 2018, 07:39:07 AM
The trailers nowadays are purposely adding footage that is not in the movie to throw off people's expectations I think. Also as it happens the trailer is made by another marketing team not connected with the movie making process.

Sometimes plans changes when editing and they leave out or change things that were shown in the trailer.



There's footage from the official Avatar trailer that was only in the Extended director's cut
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2018, 08:53:14 AM
I think another reason to add fake footage into the trailers is because so many people are leaking photos and stuff from sets. I remember seeing news stories pop up about photos taken of Game of Thrones while they were filming seasons 6 and 7 and they had to film fake scenes just to keep things hazy. Same with Walking Dead.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on April 30, 2018, 09:32:45 AM
I can only suspect anyone NOT sticking around for the post-credits scene is on their 2nd (or more) viewing, and has seen it already.  When we go this afternoon, I'm not sure I'll see the need to stick around the extra 10 minutes.  We'll see.

Okay, I hadn't thought of that.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2018, 11:19:22 AM
Spoilery comment, but I just made this connection...

The way Drax and Mantis were killed via the reality stone at Knowhere - those were the same ways Thanos took out (I believe) Nebula and Eros in the comics. Far out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 30, 2018, 12:10:49 PM
Spoilery comment, but I just made this connection...

The way Drax and Mantis were killed via the reality stone at Knowhere - those were the same ways Thanos took out (I believe) Nebula and Eros in the comics. Far out.

Indeed, you are correct!  Now all he needs to do is turn someone into glass like he did to Thor in the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on April 30, 2018, 01:07:43 PM
Sooo while I have a few moderate complaints about Infinity War, one that sticks out like a thor sumb is Drax. He has become the Jar Jar Binks of the MCU.

There, I said it.

I hate what they've done with his character in Vol. 2 and IW
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on April 30, 2018, 03:16:05 PM
I didn't care for Drax in vol.2 at all but loved him in Infinity War. I thought they brought him back to how he was in the first GotG.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ErHaO on April 30, 2018, 04:15:07 PM
GotG vol.2 had a lot of jokes that fell flat in general to be honest, no matter which character. I only enjoyed that film because I thought the villain was well executed and it had good dramatic arcs. That said, Drax is probably one of the crowd/fanbase favourites in terms of humor, which is exactly why he got plenty of jokes in Infinity War. Unlike the travesty that was Jar Jar Binks, whom they quickly pushed to the background as much as possible in every film that followed SW ep I for good reason.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 30, 2018, 07:20:15 PM
Just got back from my 2nd viewing, and I'm gonna break the seal now.  Warning, full sized font SPOILERS BELOW.























There's so many moments to love, I could probably rhyme off a couple dozen, but my favorites were:

Thor riding the Bifrost into Wakanda, and kicking some serious ass.
The entire fight sequence on Titan, but especially the tricks that Dr. Strange pulled out - ESPECIALLY multi-Strange.  The theatre marked out big time for that.  Strange (not Hulk or Thor) is the most powerful hero.  The soundtrack brought so much to the Strange fight sequences.
Wanda... fuck she's awesome.  And the chick fight between Proxima/Okoye/Wanda/Nat was an excellent call.  Women power!
The return of Cap in the train station.
Ebony Maw... he was awesome.  Wish we had more of him.  One cool ass bad mofo.
All the ways that Thanos used the Gauntlet/gems.  So nicely done.
And Thanos... Brolin was awesome.  Conveyed so much of emotion so well.  Best villain ever.
The emotion on Okoye's face when T'Challa evaporated... great acting job.
CGI was virtually flawless.  This was a comic book come to life.  Loved it.

This was an action packed ride that barely took a moments rest at all.  Still a few minor issues, but other than Gamora giving up the location of the Soul Gem so easily, I can look past all of the rest.  Some of the humour was too much and unnecessary.  I just wish they hadn't killed all of the Black Order.

And I think did well to bring Drax back on path to the Vol 1 character.  I didn't like the Vol 2 version of him, so was pleased how he was portrayed this time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 30, 2018, 09:37:55 PM
I'm so torn on Drax.

On the one hand, he bares virtually no resemblance (personality wise) to his comic counterpart. On the other...he's mostly pretty damn funny.


I think he needs to be more serious. He is a god damn destroyer. Give THAT man all the fighting scenes. Let him show how awesome he is at things beyond cracking jokes.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 30, 2018, 09:53:49 PM
Quick question regarding the time line (discounting the Spider-man 8 years later issue). Not sure if it's spoilers, but I'll put it below, just in case.

















Maybe spoilers?

So this movie, I'm pretty sure, made it clear that Civil War was 2 years ago. Which would make Peter...17? So unless Spider-Man 2 is before IW, he'll either be a senior in HS or even out of HS. No way can he still be 15.

Also doesn't BP take place right after CW too? So that means BP took place 2 years ago?

Just wondering.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 01, 2018, 01:06:45 AM
I think Drax is genuilnly hilarious for the most part.

Okay, I've seen the movie twice now and have more of a grasp of how I feel about it. I waited to sort of make up my mind until I'd seen it a second time, but now that I have I can confidently say that I LOVE this movie.

Thanos has been hyped for so long now so it was incredibly satisfying to see that he is the best villain in the entire MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2018, 04:25:28 AM
I think Drax is genuilnly hilarious for the most part.

Okay, I've seen the movie twice now and have more of a grasp of how I feel about it. I waited to sort of make up my mind until I'd seen it a second time, but now that I have I can confidently say that I LOVE this movie.

Thanos has been hyped for so long now so it was incredibly satisfying to see that he is the best villain in the entire MCU.

I don't know. You can make arguments for other villians being better, particularly Killmonger.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2018, 05:01:26 AM
I'll also state the obvious that having Thanos do what he did created a massive plothole. Why not just double the resources?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 01, 2018, 05:08:49 AM
That's a pretty funny observation, and it makes a lot of sense. As does the fact that under capitalist systems (or any really) just reducing the population won't solve anything, it's the distrobution of resources that is the problem, not necessarily the amount of it. Honestly, I don't mind these "plot holes". Keeping them in mind don't deminish the fact that I had a freakin' blast watching this movie.

I don't know. You can make arguments for other villians being better, particularly Killmonger.

Of course you can, but I just don't think Killmonger was better. He was really good for the most part, but I liked Thanos more than any other villain I've seen in the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 01, 2018, 05:34:05 AM

Thanos has been hyped for so long now so it was incredibly satisfying to see that he is the best villain in the entire MCU.

I don't know. You can make arguments for other villians being better, particularly Killmonger.

Not even close.  Frankly, I thought Killmonger (as a character) was fairly ordinary - especially his motives.

@ Adami... I can do without the lobotomized version of Drax, but the Destroyer/ass-whooping/born-to-kill-Thanos version I like.  Maybe he'll come back that way.

I'll also state the obvious that having Thanos do what he did created a massive plothole. Why not just double the resources?

True, but Thanos is insane.  His motivations on the surface may be to save the universe, but to his core, he's a genocidal maniac.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on May 01, 2018, 06:23:10 AM
Ok, saw it last night. Now I can read the last weeks worth of posts. BRB

[edit]

Yeah, our reaction to the movie was pretty much as discussed. My first thought was:

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/67422204/if-you-refuseyou-dieshe-dies-everybody-dies.jpg)

My second thought, as we were walking out (Yes there was that much time between my thoughts), was, "George Martin must be blushing." Which made me start laughing out loud, which made me receive a shit-ton of nerd stares of advanced hatred. Mrs. P asked me what was so funny and when I told her she started laughing too.

I don't know... that movie was a real experience. Stunning really. I had no expectations, yet even if I had I'm sure it would have exceeded them. I mean, come on, dude reached up in the sky, grabbed the moon and threw it at his enemies. THAT, was intimidating!  :lol

I loved, LOVED, how Hulk gets totally bitch slapped to start the movie and is way too afraid to come out the rest of the time. It gave Ruffalo some excellent, non-cgi (kinda) screen time.  :tup

I don't usually do this, but I'm definitely going back to see it at the theater again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on May 01, 2018, 07:15:14 AM

Thanos has been hyped for so long now so it was incredibly satisfying to see that he is the best villain in the entire MCU.

I don't know. You can make arguments for other villians being better, particularly Killmonger.

Not even close.  Frankly, I thought Killmonger (as a character) was fairly ordinary - especially his motives.


Yeah, I've never got the love for Killmonger. He was cool, and tough, but not quite relatable enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 01, 2018, 07:39:16 AM
I'll also state the obvious that having Thanos do what he did created a massive plothole. Why not just double the resources?

True, but Thanos is insane.  His motivations on the surface may be to save the universe, but to his core, he's a genocidal maniac.

To further on this point, the reason Thanos takes the 'reduction' approach vs 'double resources' approach is because BEFORE he had the gauntlet and gems, he ravaged and killed 1/2 the population of wherever he went - he didn't have the ability to double resources, only the ability to purge.  So again, while he may have started with altruistic and benevolent motives, it's a ruse now, as he has become (and remains) a genocidal maniac - the Mad Titan.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2018, 08:41:19 AM
Ok, saw it last night. Now I can read the last weeks worth of posts. BRB

[edit]

Yeah, our reaction to the movie was pretty much as discussed. My first thought was:

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/67422204/if-you-refuseyou-dieshe-dies-everybody-dies.jpg)

My second thought, as we were walking out (Yes there was that much time between my thoughts), was, "George Martin must be blushing." Which made me start laughing out loud, which made me receive a shit-ton of nerd stares of advanced hatred. Mrs. P asked me what was so funny and when I told her she started laughing too.



I don't get the George Martin comparison. No one died at the end of IW. There's all gonna come back for future movies to make Disney/Marvel future monies.  George Martin, with few exceptions, all-the-way kills people. Totally different than this, a cop-out cliffhanger, in my opinion.

I'll also state the obvious that having Thanos do what he did created a massive plothole. Why not just double the resources?

True, but Thanos is insane.  His motivations on the surface may be to save the universe, but to his core, he's a genocidal maniac.

To further on this point, the reason Thanos takes the 'reduction' approach vs 'double resources' approach is because BEFORE he had the gauntlet and gems, he ravaged and killed 1/2 the population of wherever he went - he didn't have the ability to double resources, only the ability to purge.  So again, while he may have started with altruistic and benevolent motives, it's a ruse now, as he has become (and remains) a genocidal maniac - the Mad Titan.

The comic book Thanos lived up to his moniker. This one, not so much. He was cold and calculated. Nothing mad, or insane about his plan and execution, well, other than the whole-mass murder thing. His very reasoning was categorically different in the comics, and without that piece (which may or may not come later), the execution was flawed, in my opinion. Sure, it makes for great popcorn smashing entertainment, but this Thanos isn't a "great" villain imo.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2018, 08:46:38 AM
Spoilers....










I wouldn't call Thano's plan a plot hole. You'd just do it differently. Disagreeing with the villain isn't a plot hole, or else almost every villain's plan is a plot hole.

I loved Killmonger, but I thought his over all plan wasn't very good. Hardly a plot hole.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2018, 09:13:37 AM
Spoilers....










I wouldn't call Thano's plan a plot hole. You'd just do it differently. Disagreeing with the villain isn't a plot hole, or else almost every villain's plan is a plot hole.

I loved Killmonger, but I thought his over all plan wasn't very good. Hardly a plot hole.


I would... and many others have. Huge plot hole. Poorly executed as presented. Sure they'll so some damage control/cleanup in the next film.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/30/17290142/avengers-infinity-war-explained-ending-thanos


Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2018, 09:17:41 AM
Eh Just sounds like it wasn't for you. All good.




Spoilers...






And just to address your initial complaint, doubling the resources wouldn't have done anything either. In the end, his goal isn't actually attainable. Doubled resources would take longer, but would still be devoured. Infinite resources isn't possible either. Plus....he's the mad Titan. He was thinking very short term and feasible prior to getting the gauntlet. He was driven mad by his goal and was trying to accomplish it the only way he could. Who knows how long he spent trying to achieve that goal? To him, it made perfect sense.

Like I said, sounds like the film just wasn't for you. And while many people have pointed out that his plan isn't feasible, I haven't heard many of them declare it an unforgivable plot hole that Marvel will have to totally retcon in the next film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on May 01, 2018, 09:43:21 AM
I don't get the George Martin comparison. No one died at the end of IW. There's all gonna come back for future movies to make Disney/Marvel future monies.  George Martin, with few exceptions, all-the-way kills people. Totally different than this, a cop-out cliffhanger, in my opinion.

Well, not being a comic book reader or having any idea of what the up coming movies are, and not having any insider knowledge of the bolded part of your post, I just watched a movie where half the universe was killed with the snap of a finger. Seemed pretty ruthless to me.

Look, I'm just a guy who enjoys Marvel movies when they are presented as they are presented. You may be right, but I don't know you are. I'll wait and see what is comes. I think it would be cool if some other character takes up the mantel of those who died, like T'Challa's sister as the Black Panther for example. But if they don't, and they give me a cool and compelling reason to bring folks back (as you are suggesting) I'm cool with that too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2018, 09:50:29 AM
I don't get the George Martin comparison. No one died at the end of IW. There's all gonna come back for future movies to make Disney/Marvel future monies.  George Martin, with few exceptions, all-the-way kills people. Totally different than this, a cop-out cliffhanger, in my opinion.

Well, not being a comic book reader or having any idea of what the up coming movies are, and not having any insider knowledge of the bolded part of your post, I just watched a movie where half the universe was killed with the snap of a finger. Seemed pretty ruthless to me.

Look, I'm just a guy who enjoys Marvel movies when they are presented as they are presented. You may be right, but I don't know you are. I'll wait and see what is comes. I think it would be cool if some other character takes up the mantel of those who died, like T'Challa's sister as the Black Panther for example. But if they don't, and they give me a cool and compelling reason to bring folks back (as you are suggesting) I'm cool with that too.

I can appreciate that sentiment, and I wasn't intending on trying to rain on your parade. But with sequels confirmed for Spider-Man and The Black Panther (granted, they could be prequels or otherwise taking place prior to the events of IW), one wouldn't need knowledge of the comics to understand that Disney/Marvel aren't going to needless kill off their money-making heroes, especially the new generation.  Cycling out the original heroes/villains that have been there for years, I would understand that.

Now the MCU has gone "full retard" (to borrow a RDJr quote from another movie), anything shocking thing that they choose to do can be simply undone. Time can be reversed. Anything can happen, or be reversed. Not a lot of suspense in that form of storytelling.  Seeing GRRM have a beloved character's head chopped off, then seeing it mounted to a spike brings a finality to it, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on May 01, 2018, 09:51:04 AM
TLDR VERSION: “The book was better.”

 ;D :angel:


But seriously, you have to remember that the vast majority of the followers of the films (muse included) have NEVER read the comic book. And I prefer it that way. I don’t want to have what is coming next to be spoiled or tainted by preconceived notions.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2018, 09:53:03 AM
TLDR VERSION: “The book was better.”

 ;D :angel:


But seriously, you have to remember that the vast majority of the followers of the films (muse included) have NEVER read the comic book. And I prefer it that way. I don’t want to have what is coming next to be spoiled or tainted by preconceived notions.

In my defense, the next Avengers comic that I pick up, will be the first. Don't read comics... but don't care much for cop-out cliffhangers in my storytelling. This is why I hated the season 5 finale of GoT (if you watch).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on May 01, 2018, 10:05:29 AM
TLDR VERSION: “The book was better.”

 ;D :angel:


But seriously, you have to remember that the vast majority of the followers of the films (muse included) have NEVER read the comic book. And I prefer it that way. I don’t want to have what is coming next to be spoiled or tainted by preconceived notions.

In my defense, the next Avengers comic that I pick up, will be the first. Don't read comics... but don't care much for cop-out cliffhangers in my storytelling. This is why I hated the season 5 finale of GoT (if you watch).

You keep saying "cop-out cliffhanger" as if that's what happened. A cliffhanger is something that leaves you questioning WHAT HAPPENED. That's not what was done here. Thanos won. The Avengers lost. End of story. Sure, there are some Avengers left (namely, the original six and a smattering of others), so of course they can do another movie. But what happened in this movie was that Thanos had a plan, went to execute it, the Avengers tried to stop it but couldn't. Bunch of people died, but we know who they were and why they died. There's no cliffhanger here, just an ending you didn't seem to like.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 01, 2018, 10:14:22 AM
TLDR VERSION: “The book was better.”

 ;D :angel:


But seriously, you have to remember that the vast majority of the followers of the films (muse included) have NEVER read the comic book. And I prefer it that way. I don’t want to have what is coming next to be spoiled or tainted by preconceived notions.

In my defense, the next Avengers comic that I pick up, will be the first. Don't read comics... but don't care much for cop-out cliffhangers in my storytelling. This is why I hated the season 5 finale of GoT (if you watch).

You keep saying "cop-out cliffhanger" as if that's what happened. A cliffhanger is something that leaves you questioning WHAT HAPPENED. That's not what was done here. Thanos won. The Avengers lost. End of story. Sure, there are some Avengers left (namely, the original six and a smattering of others), so of course they can do another movie. But what happened in this movie was that Thanos had a plan, went to execute it, the Avengers tried to stop it but couldn't. Bunch of people died, but we know who they were and why they died. There's no cliffhanger here, just an ending you didn't seem to like.

I think I'm letting what I know cloud what I was presented with. I know that this was originally called Part 1. I know that There are sequels in the works for characters that disappeared. I know that this is all going according to what Dr. Strange perceives as the only path towards victory.

If this was a stand-alone film without all of that, then yes, no cliff hanger. But I think we ALL know better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 01, 2018, 11:24:26 AM
To be fair to everyone... spoilers contained below.

I kinda see DoC's point as it relates to the fact that known there are forthcoming movies with Chadwick Boseman and Tom Holland are already in the works (if not filming), thus it throws an undeniable knowledge that the fate of those characters is not quite final.

However, despite the fact we 'know' the outcome (to some extent), it doesn't make *how* that outcome is achieved any less interesting.  It was no different in the comics... it's not like anytime there is a character death, that's the end of that character.  I look at all of these as comic books coming to life on the big screen.  There are certain continuities that exist (across different series') and some that don't.  Steve Rogers was killed in the Civil War comic storyline... but that wasn't the end of Steve Rogers in the Marvel Comic Universe.

The possibilities of how Rocket/Nebula/Rhodey + the original Avengers and Captain Marvel 'save the day' has me just as excited as what Infinity War was going to be in the first place.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on May 01, 2018, 11:25:17 AM
 Yesterday, they were teasing that the new Ant-man trailer would solve the mystery of where Ant-man was during infinity war. They lied...but it’s still a pretty cool trailer.

https://youtu.be/UUkn-enk2RU
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2018, 11:28:45 AM
Yesterday, they were teasing that the new Ant-man trailer would solve the mystery of where Ant-man was during infinity war. They lied...but it’s still a pretty cool trailer.

https://youtu.be/UUkn-enk2RU

He’s under house arrest.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on May 01, 2018, 12:13:42 PM
Yesterday, they were teasing that the new Ant-man trailer would solve the mystery of where Ant-man was during infinity war. They lied...but it’s still a pretty cool trailer.

https://youtu.be/UUkn-enk2RU

He’s under house arrest.

Ooooohhhhhhhhh.  That explains his location. I still find it suspect that everyone from that series of films survived.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on May 01, 2018, 01:01:51 PM
Guys, remember when the Star Lord group arrives and Knowhere and Thanos is interrogating the Collector? He's stomping on Benicio Del Toro and saying "Where is the stone? Where is the stone?

https://youtu.be/BvfTNRsVGlM?t=46

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 01, 2018, 03:45:15 PM
The main reason knowledge of future movies and an immediate assumption that many of the deaths will not be permanent did nothing to taint my experience is that the finger snapping scene and the following scenes were so damn well executed. How they chose to show people beginning to evaporate was pretty chilling. No music, just the sound of an ominous wind, with a lot of really tough people just being confused and really afraid. Spider-Man was probably the most effective, watching someone that young beg in panic not to die was incredibly emotionally effective. Those characters don’t know that there are sequels in production, they don’t know that there is likely a way to fix this. They’re just afraid as they’re dying/watching their friends desintegrate before their eyes. Empathy for them is why it’s effective and powerful.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on May 01, 2018, 03:50:51 PM
I agree.  We know that in the comics, "no one stays dead permanently" but the characters themselves don't.  Watching those scenes, one after another, of various characters disappearing, was pretty intense.

Spider-Man's was a gut-punch, but Nick Fury's was the best, for other (hopefully obvious) reasons.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 01, 2018, 03:52:13 PM
^ Nailed it!

Nick Fury ... "Mother F".....   :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2018, 05:11:59 PM
I loved Fury's reaction. That was hilarious. Marvel does post-credits scenes so wonderfully. They give just enough to give you an idea of what's coming but also raise a ton of questions to build hype. I can't freaking wait for Captain Marvel and I don't know jack about her other than she's basically the Marvel counterpart to Superman. I wonder if her mom is named Martha.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on May 01, 2018, 05:39:50 PM
I was reading an interview with Kevin Feige where he mentioned that they are probably going to stop diving the movies into phases and most likely phase 3 is the last time they categorize these movies. He also mentioned that the character landscape will undergo a reorganization of sorts. I'm very interested to see the next 2 movies now and absolutely cannot wait for Avengers 4.

Worth a read
https://collider.com/kevin-feige-interview-avengers-4/
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 01, 2018, 06:39:58 PM
Making my prediction for the Avengers 4 title.





Infinity Revelation.

I think gauntlet would be too obvious. But you never know.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 01, 2018, 06:51:32 PM
jingle.son hypothesized "Avengers: End Game".  It's quite possible it doesn't include Infinity.  If it does, it technically should be Infinity Gauntlet.

Just so long as it isn't "Infinity Crusade"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2018, 07:01:50 PM
Well, he's definitely ruled out Infinity Gauntlet. Kevin Feige, that is. They've also said it's a spoiler for Infinity War, somehow. So, with that in mind... I have no idea. Avengers: Soul Sacrifice maybe? Sacrificed Sons? I dunno.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on May 01, 2018, 07:11:07 PM
Just got back from round two. So much more entertaining the second time, had the presence of mind to really dig into the finer details without being so in awe of the enormity of the story. They didn't miss much in the way of details for me, such an outstanding job. Also, when the credits started rolling, I took a glance at the crowd behind and all I saw was...

 :omg: :omg: :'( :'( :-[ :'( :omg: :omg: :omg: :'( :-[ :-[ :-[










Also found this gem...

(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/31670926_1558557464242355_3834905380098408448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=0816b12818cbb49c83e3abaa68aa0510&oe=5B53B68E)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on May 01, 2018, 07:39:52 PM
Per a Q&A with one of the Russos at his old high school, Tom Holland improv'd Spiderman's death scene.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on May 01, 2018, 08:06:00 PM
I think I popped the most with Red Skull's appearance.

Thor at the end was epic as fuck too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on May 02, 2018, 11:07:46 AM
Thor at the end was epic as fuck too.

I was like WHOAAAAA when Thor threw his new hammer/axe to Thanos and he couldn't stop it, even with the gauntlet :hefdaddy
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Post by: Dream Team on May 02, 2018, 02:12:26 PM
Thor at the end was epic as fuck too.

I was like WHOAAAAA when Thor threw his new hammer/axe to Thanos and he couldn't stop it, even with the gauntlet :hefdaddy

If it was a one-off movie, would have been a great ending (dying before he has a chance to activate the gauntlet).

I can’t help envisioning possible epic death scenes for Steve Rogers next year. I’m picturing him being mortally wounded and clasping Stark’s hand and saying something like “It’s ok Tony, this isn’t the world I wanted to come back to anyway” and then Tony tearfully and angrily saying “I will avenge you”. Too cheesy? I love the character and it would be emotional for me anyway.



Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Polarbear on May 02, 2018, 02:38:43 PM
Avengers: Infinity War was quite a ride!

I had read the synopsis beforehand, but it did not ruin the emotional moments for me. Gamora's death scene was my favorite scene in the movie. The sheer amount of stuff that is crammed into this movie is pretty astounding. It's a borderline miracle that the movie doesn't crash under it's own weight.

And are we really supposed to believe that Marvel is going to kill the Avengers, who are signed to do more movies for the studio? :lol They are not going to kill their future golden goose franchises like that. I have a feeling that some time travel/ alternate universe shenanigans are involved in the Avengers 4. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
So there's the theory that past snap people aren't dead but moved to like the Soul Stone, that's why they drifted away instead of actually dying or simply vanishing.


But based on interviews with Zoey Saldana, seems like she really is done. I don't care if they bring back everyone from the snap, that isn't supposed to be shocking, but I also hope everyone who died pre-snap stays dead.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on May 02, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
But based on interviews with Zoey Saldana, seems like she really is done. I don't care if they bring back everyone from the snap, that isn't supposed to be shocking, but I also hope everyone who died pre-snap stays dead.

My thoughts as well
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Post by: Polarbear on May 02, 2018, 03:24:23 PM
But based on interviews with Zoey Saldana, seems like she really is done. I don't care if they bring back everyone from the snap, that isn't supposed to be shocking, but I also hope everyone who died pre-snap stays dead.

My thoughts as well

Third. Like I said, her death scene was my favorite scene in the movie. Having her and all those who died before the final scene come back, would cheapen this movie in my eyes
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 02, 2018, 03:33:51 PM
But based on interviews with Zoey Saldana, seems like she really is done. I don't care if they bring back everyone from the snap, that isn't supposed to be shocking, but I also hope everyone who died pre-snap stays dead.

My thoughts as well

Third. Like I said, her death scene was my favorite scene in the movie. Having her and all those who died before the final scene come back, would cheapen this movie in my eyes

Wouldn't surprise me if she makes a come back... after all, she died in the world/area where the Soul gem was.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on May 02, 2018, 04:04:54 PM
Yeah, I can see Gamora coming back as well. Loki and Vision are toast though. and I feel at least a few who survived the 'snap' are gonna bite it in the reversal process, I'd guess Thor and Cap.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 02, 2018, 04:45:55 PM
Yeah, I can see Gamora coming back as well. Loki and Vision are toast though. and I feel at least a few who survived the 'snap' are gonna bite it in the reversal process, I'd guess Thor and Cap.

There's a theory that Vision might be salvageable... he does take a form that is 'color-less' in the comics.  I think Thor Odinson and Steve Rogers are gonna bite it though (ie, there may be another Thor and/or Captain America).  I think both Chris' have hinted insomuch that they've had their fill of Marvel movies - I think partially because of the physical demands - ya notice how there were no shots showing off Cap's/Evans' physique this movie?  It's probably time to move on from those characters.  I just don't know what Tony's fate is going to be.  And really, can there be any other Tony Stark than RDJr?

Loki's done; Heimdall's done.  Beyond that, I really don't know. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2018, 05:14:18 PM
Chris Evans is still in plenty good shape, lol.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on May 02, 2018, 07:53:27 PM
Anyone remember Valkyrie?  Yeah, me neither.  The chick that they got when they couldn't get Jaimie Alexander (Lady Sif) back for Thor: Ragnarok.  At the end of Ragnarok, Valkyrie was with Thor, Hulk, Loki and Heimdall.  Then at the beginning of Infinity War, the others are all there but she's nowhere to be seen.

Apparently she's alive? (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/the-avengers/news/a856093/avengers-infinity-war-valkyrie-alive-joe-russo/)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2018, 07:54:52 PM
Anyone remember Valkyrie?  Yeah, me neither.  The chick that they got when they couldn't get Jaimie Alexander (Lady Sif) back for Thor: Ragnarok.  At the end of Ragnarok, Valkyrie was with Thor, Hulk, Loki and Heimdall.  Then at the beginning of Infinity War, the others are all there but she's nowhere to be seen.

Apparently she's alive? (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/the-avengers/news/a856093/avengers-infinity-war-valkyrie-alive-joe-russo/)


Everyone remembers Valkyrie. She was the breakout star of the whole movie.

And yes, she's alive. Thor even mentioned that Thanos killed half the Asgaurdians, not all of them.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on May 02, 2018, 08:04:01 PM
Was she really the breakout star?  Serious question.  I only saw Ragnarok once, and I was so busy trying to figure out if it was really happening or I was too stoned or something because everything seemed so over-the-top.  The evil sibling that "comes back" even though she's never even been mentioned before and she's super-powerful and crushes Thor's hammer in her hand and chews scenery like it was cereal with milk and what the fuck is Odin dead now and Thor got a haircut and hey there's the Asian dude oh yeah I guess they're all there except Lady Sif ha ha bummer I guess they wouldn't give her time off from her TV show that no one watches but they got some other chick "named" Valkyrie and I put that in quotes because a Valkyrie is a class of warriors not really someone's name but hey she's badass and pretty hot but there was so much other shit going on in that movie that I really didn't even remember her.  Then someone pointed out that she wasn't in Infinity War and I went Oh yeah, her.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 02, 2018, 08:05:47 PM
To answer your question.


Yes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on May 02, 2018, 08:12:30 PM
Valkyrie? Tessa Thompson??

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tremontidood/1E26CA1B-8970-4065-8805-00A969124EFC_zps88trosoa.jpg)

Yup. I remember her  :heart
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 02, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
Korg and Mieke were also not shown as slain either.

And yeah... Bob... you were probably too baked - during the movie, and that last post.   :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on May 02, 2018, 10:17:30 PM
Not sure how I missed this, but I just realized that the first Iron Man was released in the US exactly 10 years ago today.   So I guess that means the MCU is officially 10 years old. 

19 movies and I don’t know how many TV series later....and I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single thing I didn’t at least enjoy.  (I have avoided the Inhumans).   Seriously, even though they are on the bottom of my list, I even have fun when I watch Thor 2, The Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 3.   They are not amazing films, but if that’s the worst Marvel can dish out, it’s still better than half of the popcorn movies in existence.   

I’d say its been a pretty amazing 10 years.   Congrats to Marvel.   IMO, they have now become the greatest franchise in the history of cinema. 
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Post by: bill1971 on May 02, 2018, 10:29:25 PM
Fun thread. I absolutely loved Infinity War. I was worried about Thanos but he was just as interesting as any of the heroes. I also loved how purpose driven he was. When he obtained a stone he moved on, he didn't have to kill or capture everyone he faced. He often times had respect for them.

That ending was crushing. People say it's not as impactful because the heroes won't stay dead but that did not all diminish the gravity of the situation. I knew damn well Han Solo wasn't going to die* but seeing him being put in Carbonite with Leia and Chewis looking on is still emotional. And lucky we don't have to wait three years to see this conclusion.

*At that time. :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on May 03, 2018, 06:43:34 AM
BTW, I really thought IW brought back the quality in patented Marvel one liners.

"Who's your Master?"

"What am I supposed to say, Jesus?"

 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 03, 2018, 06:51:56 AM
Not sure how I missed this, but I just realized that the first Iron Man was released in the US exactly 10 years ago today.   So I guess that means the MCU is officially 10 years old. 

19 movies and I don’t know how many TV series later....and I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single thing I didn’t at least enjoy.  (I have avoided the Inhumans).   Seriously, even though they are on the bottom of my list, I even have fun when I watch Thor 2, The Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 3.   They are not amazing films, but if that’s the worst Marvel can dish out, it’s still better than half of the popcorn movies in existence.   

I’d say its been a pretty amazing 10 years.   Congrats to Marvel.   IMO, they have now become the greatest franchise in the history of cinema. 

In my opinion, the worst Marvel films are still entertaining, visually spectacular, and worth paying money for. Considering there are 20 of them, that's a damn fine achievement.

BTW, I really thought IW brought back the quality in patented Marvel one liners.

"Who's your Master?"

"What am I supposed to say, Jesus?"

 :lol

I also enjoyed this exchange that I am about to butcher:

"Holding it open will kill you!"

"Only if I end up dying!"

"Uh... Yes... That's what killing you means..?"

:lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2018, 06:57:11 AM
BTW, I really thought IW brought back the quality in patented Marvel one liners.

"Who's your Master?"

"What am I supposed to say, Jesus?"

 :lol

There were a lot of great quips for sure.  IMO, one moment was overdone (the Quill vs Thor manliness banter), and one was a little over-the-top and out of place (Thor/Groot/Cap on the field in Wakanda).  Like they're gonna have that kind of banter with 100s of Outriders on the prowl.   ::)  Otherwise, excellent stuff.

You, Squidward.
I would've washed that first (Thor's eye).
Blast that nut-sac right off your face.

Almost all of the humour came from the appropriate sources (Peter, Tony, Rocket, Quill... all the smart-asses being true to their character).  If it had come from T'Challa or Wanda or Vision or Nebula, that would've been wrong.

Question...does anyone remember if the final scene with Thanos (in his hut looking at the moon-set) showed the Gauntlet?  When it zoomed in on him, I don't recall seeing it - his arm (from the elbow up was all we saw) was still all charred, but I don't specifically remember seeing the gauntlet on his hand in any of the other angles of that scene.  I ask, because I saw a theory that this is actually the end of the next movie - comparable to the end of Infinity Gauntlet comic (where he ends up a farmer, at peace with himself after having had absolute power).
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 03, 2018, 07:10:09 AM
He did not have it on.  i actually looked for it on screen when I saw it wasn't on his hand.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on May 03, 2018, 07:18:42 AM
Not sure how I missed this, but I just realized that the first Iron Man was released in the US exactly 10 years ago today.   So I guess that means the MCU is officially 10 years old. 

19 movies and I don’t know how many TV series later....and I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single thing I didn’t at least enjoy.  (I have avoided the Inhumans).   Seriously, even though they are on the bottom of my list, I even have fun when I watch Thor 2, The Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 3.   They are not amazing films, but if that’s the worst Marvel can dish out, it’s still better than half of the popcorn movies in existence.   

I’d say its been a pretty amazing 10 years.   Congrats to Marvel.   IMO, they have now become the greatest franchise in the history of cinema. 

Iron Man was one of the "lesser-known" Marvel heroes at the time, but when we were kids, a friend of mine was a huge Iron Man fan, collected all the comic books he could get, all that, and through him I became a fan.  So when Iron Man with RDJr (one of my favorite actors) came out, I was automatically in.

Then the "hidden scene" (we weren't sure what to call them at first) with Nick Fury talking about "the Avengers initiative" hinted at a much larger endeavor, and I thought "Cool, they'll probably make a movie with each of them, then an Avengers movie with all of them together.  That'll be cool."  I don't think anyone had any idea that the MCU would become so huge, with so many characters and so many movies.  It really is an amazing series.
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Post by: Podaar on May 03, 2018, 07:30:14 AM

There were a lot of great quips for sure.  IMO, one moment was overdone (the Quill vs Thor manliness banter), and one was a little over-the-top and out of place (Thor/Groot/Cap on the field in Wakanda).  Like they're gonna have that kind of banter with 100s of Outriders on the prowl.   ::)  Otherwise, excellent stuff.


I don't know, I thought it was pretty funny. Especially when Drax said, "It's like a pirate had a baby with an angel."

And the bit in Wakanda worked, IMO, because for several movies we've been conditioned to hear "I am Groot" as anything but. Then when Cap first hears it, the super polite Steve in him automatically responds with, "I am Steve Rogers."   :biggrin:

You, Squidward.
I would've washed that first (Thor's eye).
Blast that nut-sac right off your face.

Those were all gold. Gold, Jerry!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2018, 07:46:04 AM
He did not have it on.  i actually looked for it on screen when I saw it wasn't on his hand.

Ok, I wasn't sure about THAT scene.  He for sure didn't have it on with his brief visit to Soul World with little Gamora, but I wasn't sure about the hut on the hill scene.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 03, 2018, 08:47:20 AM
I actually thought that he did have it on in that scene, because I also looked for it and thought I saw it. Could be wrong though, I'll see it for a third time tonight so I'll check again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2018, 09:17:38 AM
I feel like I saw it too, but I need to see it again. That whole ending scene I was just like "THEY INCLUDED THE DAMN SCARECROW"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2018, 09:25:16 AM
I feel like I saw it too, but I need to see it again. That whole ending scene I was just like "THEY INCLUDED THE DAMN SCARECROW"

Ooh... I missed that - both times.  Damn.
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Post by: lonestar on May 03, 2018, 10:43:41 AM
It may have only been a three second clip, but the shot of Gamora rocking out in the chair to Rubberband Man was about as sexy as anything can be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on May 03, 2018, 11:39:48 AM
My absolute favorite banter in the whole movie is on Titan with Quill, Stark, and Spidey. The pop culture references, Quill's "What am I supposed to say, Jesus?!" etc. I love all of it. Plus the awesome Titan scenery.

In fact Quill has become one of my favorite MCU characters. He (and Chris Patt) are just awesome.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2018, 11:43:09 AM
WHY is Gamora?
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Post by: gzarruk on May 03, 2018, 11:43:37 AM
Enyone else LOL'ed at the way they killed Ebony Maw? I was like :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on May 03, 2018, 01:44:36 PM
Maybe I missed something, but I thought Loki was in league with Thanos since the first Avengers movie. Why not just hand him the Tesseract and be done with it? Why try to kill him? He wasn't gonna kill Thor if Loki gave him the cube is my understanding.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2018, 02:15:10 PM
Maybe I missed something, but I thought Loki was in league with Thanos since the first Avengers movie. Why not just hand him the Tesseract and be done with it? Why try to kill him? He wasn't gonna kill Thor if Loki gave him the cube is my understanding.

Loki has always been in league with himself, and over the last few movies, grew a bit of a conscience.  In Avengers 1, Thanos was manipulating him... I wouldn't quite say he was in league with Thanos.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 03, 2018, 08:11:11 PM
Holy cow. Black Panther is already coming out on digital and Blu-ray. Digital on May 8th, Blu-ray about a week later. It's still in theaters (or at least it was last week, I haven't checked). Can anybody think of a turnaround from cinema to home viewing that quickly? Can't wait to get it.
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2018, 08:12:45 PM
Holy cow. Black Panther is already coming out on digital and Blu-ray. Digital on May 8th, Blu-ray about a week later. It's still in theaters (or at least it was last week, I haven't checked). Can anybody think of a turnaround from cinema to home viewing that quickly? Can't wait to get it.

No complaints from me. I go see my mom in Israel in mid June and need the blu ray to show her the movie finally.
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 03, 2018, 08:43:19 PM
Adam.  I hope you post some pictures from the trip.  I'd love to see the country.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 03, 2018, 08:57:31 PM
Adam.  I hope you post some pictures from the trip.  I'd love to see the country.

(https://media.makeameme.org/created/who-the-hell-5aebcc.jpg)
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 03, 2018, 09:08:27 PM
 :lol

Damn auto correct.   Thanks anyway Adam.  From Jo.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Ninjabait on May 04, 2018, 07:44:49 AM
Infinity War spoilers in this post for those of you who haven't seen it yet.

Maybe I missed something, but I thought Loki was in league with Thanos since the first Avengers movie. Why not just hand him the Tesseract and be done with it? Why try to kill him? He wasn't gonna kill Thor if Loki gave him the cube is my understanding.

tbh I think it fits nicely with his character development over the past movies (especially Ragnarok). It really shows that he's developed from someone who mostly acts in their own best interest even if it's at the expense of others to someone who is willing to sacrifice himself for an attempt to stop a bigger evil. I don't really think he took the Tesseract off of Asgard to give to Thanos, but more because "this could come in handy". Also, Thanos does blow up their ship right after getting the Space Stone with Thor still on it, so idk about Thanos still sparing him
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Post by: The Walrus on May 04, 2018, 09:04:40 AM
I can't help think what an idiot Loki is for trying that. Especially with all of the Black Order around him, too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 04, 2018, 09:11:45 AM
Agreed with Ninja.  Though, Movie-Loki and Comic-Loki are quite different - I think primarily because how fantastically Tom Hiddleston played him - he was a great villain in Avengers 1, and the fans started to love him, so Movie-Loki evolved to be not quite as evil as Comic-Loki (at least, the 20th Century comics... I haven't read much with Loki in it from the 2000s).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on May 04, 2018, 09:55:48 AM
Okay so saw it again last night, looked for the gauntlet in the final cabin-scene. It looks like he isn't wearing it. What confused me the first times was that his hand (and most of the left side of his body) is completely burned and messed up from the snap, making his left arm not look natural, making me think he was still wearing it.

So much to like about this movie, enjoyed it just as much on my third viewing.
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Post by: Polarbear on May 04, 2018, 10:41:00 AM
https://youtu.be/CX11yw6YL1w

Has anybody seen this? Céline Dion doing the theme song for Deadpool 2! Can't believe she said yes to this.. :lol
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Post by: Adami on May 04, 2018, 10:42:42 AM
https://youtu.be/CX11yw6YL1w

Has anybody seen this? Céline Dion doing the theme song for Deadpool 2! Can't believe she said yes to this.. :lol

I'm not TOO familiar with Ms. Dion, so for the first like 1/3 of that, I thought they edited one of her other videos with Deadpool screwing around. Amazing.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 04, 2018, 10:45:41 AM
https://youtu.be/CX11yw6YL1w

Has anybody seen this? Céline Dion doing the theme song for Deadpool 2! Can't believe she said yes to this.. :lol

Can't believe this is for real :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: Podaar on May 04, 2018, 11:32:28 AM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 04, 2018, 12:28:30 PM
https://youtu.be/CX11yw6YL1w

Has anybody seen this? Céline Dion doing the theme song for Deadpool 2! Can't believe she said yes to this.. :lol

I'm not TOO familiar with Ms. Dion, so for the first like 1/3 of that, I thought they edited one of her other videos with Deadpool screwing around. Amazing.

mrs.jingle shared it with me yesterday, and I thought the exact same thing.
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Post by: lonestar on May 04, 2018, 12:48:24 PM
*moves Celine up the cool people scale*
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 07, 2018, 09:59:46 AM
Saw it yesterday, finally, as part of the conclusions of a fantastic and exhausting weekend.  What a great movie.  I have read through all the comments here, and a few articles in other places online.  Without beating a dead horse, I'll just mention a couple of points I haven't seen talked up too much here (or at least, I'll try to add a little something different to points that may have been mentioned):

-Pacing and tone:  What a seemingly impossible task to manage in something with a scope this big.  Yet, somehow, it all basically works, and works pretty well.  There was a point where it started to feel like it was just getting a bit too corny as just a giant McGuffin quest, and for me, that point was right around the time of the quest for the soul stone.  But then the stakes got raised with Gamorra, and it all just felt right. 

-Thanos' power and character:  Yeah, this HAS been commented on a lot.  I'll just echo what I have seen others say.  The opening fight with him dispensing of Hulk and Loki strightaway removed any doubt about his power.  The prior films left us guessing.  In Guardians 1, for example, we saw a fair amount of him.  But we were left not really knowing what to think, IMO.  He was set up as someone to be feared, but all we really saw him do was sit in a chair and give order or issue threats.  We never actually saw him DO anything.  Here, we did.  And it was all very cool.  This definitely WAS his movie, and pretty much everything about him felt right.

-The stakes were high, and you actually FELT it.  That was my biggest complaints with Ragnarok and, to a lesser degree, Black Panther.  We were told that the stakes were high.  But somehow, I just didn't feel it.  Different story here. 

-The children of Thanos/black order were so friggin' cool.  Come on.  They just were.  There were definitely times when they seemed to blink back and forth from WAY overpowered to WAY too easily defeated.  But overall, it was fine.

-Alien franchise references were HILARIOUSLY AWESOME.

-The overall plot and arrangement of scenes and locations was, IMO, VERY cool and well thought out.  With so many locations, it is easy to feel lost.  But I didn't.  Not even a little bit.  There was a really nice mixture of familiar and new, but nothing felt out of place, and there was always a good reason to be where we were.

-The ending and deaths:  Mixed feelings about seeing characters like Spidey and Black Panther bite the dust.  Yeah, I guess it is easy to feel cheated and feel like it is all just going to be unwound.  But it was also a big "Whoa!  What?  But--THEY HAVE A MOVIE COMING OUT LATER WITH HIM!  NO WAY!!!" moment that, for me, worked. 

-The ending, pt. II:  I expect to go into a Marvel film to have fun.  I expect to have some nostalgia with some of the characters I grew up with.  I don't expect to get dramatic chills.  The ending here...it kinda got me.  Seeing characters just suddenly leave us, combined with the music, combined with "The Avengers Thanos will return" at the end just all worked.  And it got me.  Big time.

I could nitpick the things that bothered me.  But I have to say that, overall, this film worked big-time.  It was everything it should have been.  Too much "new car smell" to comment definitively, but I'll just go ahead and say that this feels like it will be my favorite thus far, taking the place of the first Avengers film.


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Post by: jingle.boy on May 07, 2018, 10:03:31 AM
"The Avengers Thanos will return" at the end

Is that posted after the end-credits scene?  I didn't see that when I went on opening night, and I didn't bother sticking around for the end-credits scene on viewing #2.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2018, 10:15:00 AM
Yeah, it's at the very end. SPOILERS AHEAD OF COURSE...

I saw it again Friday (in a theater with big reclining chairs - never going back to normal seats after those, omg). A few things stood out to me this time: Ebony Maw is just plain AWESOME. I love it. His sycophantic devotion to T2hanos, the way he casually waves his fingers and shows off his amazing powers, I love everything about that character and kind of wish he would've made it to part 2 because he got the most lines and screentime and just plain rocked.

Thanos's fight against Hulk: Thanos isn't just big and buff, dude has combat skills. Look at how swift and agile he is even in his armor, holding his ground firmly while going full hand-to-hand combat against Hulk. That scene is so good.

All the scenes on Titan are just plain awesome, particularly when Quill flips Thanos the bird and falls through the portal, Spidey portal-hopping all over Thanos (perfect use of Spidey's agility), and again, Dr. Strange going full sorcerer.

My favorite lines in the whole movie are the Footloose exchange between Spidey and Quill. And also the way Stark says, "Excuse me, you selling tickets?" to Strange in the beginning :)

Oh, and this time, there was a guy and his girlfriend to my left... once again, the girl would not shut up the ENTIRE film, and had to be explained everything (she didn't even know who Bruce Banner/Hulk was)... but the guy was losing his mind and it was really fun for me to pick up on his reactions. When Drax and Mantis first got "killed" he freaked out, when Quill pulled the trigger on Gamora he about lost it, and when Spidey started to go I could hear an audible "...nonoNO WTF"  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on May 07, 2018, 12:22:35 PM
"The Avengers Thanos will return" at the end

Is that posted after the end-credits scene?  I didn't see that when I went on opening night, and I didn't bother sticking around for the end-credits scene on viewing #2.

I didn't either....though I have a free movie pass and am debating hitting it for a 3rd go around later today. If I do, I'll stick around :p
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Post by: The Trooper on May 07, 2018, 12:34:46 PM
It is there. I am positive.

I have seen it several times.
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Post by: faizoff on May 07, 2018, 12:42:02 PM
Don't remember the order but I seem to remember the text appears right before the beginning of the post-credits scene. Either way it was there.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 07, 2018, 01:04:26 PM
Well, unless you were there in the same theatre as I, it wasn't.   ;)  Not sure why, but I was waiting for it / anything, and there was nothing.
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2018, 01:07:14 PM
It's definitely there. People had a major reaction to it opening night.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 07, 2018, 02:36:26 PM
Saw an article that talked about how Stark's conversation to Fury at the Barton farm in AOU foreshadowed the ending in Infinity War.  My reaction to reading it was:  "???  Well, duh.  You'd have to not be paying very close attention to have not picked up on that."

But that also got me thinking and I made another connection.  When Stark is justifying creating Ultron in the first place, he makes the connection back to the battle of New York.  And, pointing to space, he says "that's the endgame."  Again, duh.  But it just struck me that, although "endgame" is  common phrase, and its use in Infinity War may have been completely coincidental, it's cool that Dr. Strange said to Stark that they are "in the endgame" at that point. 
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2018, 02:44:15 PM
The only thing that's really confusing me about the film is the exchange Thanos and Stark have toward the end of the movie. Thanos calls him "Stark," and Tony responds with something like, "You know who I am?" and Thanos kind of dryly replies, "I do. You're not the only one cursed with knowledge."

They wouldn't have put that line in there if there wasn't some significance to it... what do you think that means? He knew about Howard Stark? Perhaps learned some info from the Battle of New York?
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Post by: jammindude on May 07, 2018, 03:01:42 PM
Well, unless you were there in the same theatre as I, it wasn't.   ;)  Not sure why, but I was waiting for it / anything, and there was nothing.

It is there. Maybe you looked away for an instant?? But it is there.
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Post by: Orbert on May 07, 2018, 03:27:55 PM
Are we still talking about "Thanos will return"?  I definitely saw it, and I've only see the movie once.
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Post by: Podaar on May 07, 2018, 04:59:42 PM
Are we still talking about "Thanos will return"?  I definitely saw it, and I've only see the movie once.

Yup.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 07, 2018, 05:06:54 PM
Maybe part of the problem was that it was only written in English and not Canadian?
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2018, 05:16:04 PM
Maybe part of the problem was that it was only written in English and not Canadian?

This is a good point. Did you see, “Thanos is wicked soory, eh”?
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Post by: lonestar on May 07, 2018, 06:04:11 PM
 :rollin
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 07, 2018, 07:01:52 PM
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Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Ninjabait on May 07, 2018, 07:18:53 PM
Language!

The only thing that's really confusing me about the film is the exchange Thanos and Stark have toward the end of the movie. Thanos calls him "Stark," and Tony responds with something like, "You know who I am?" and Thanos kind of dryly replies, "I do. You're not the only one cursed with knowledge."

They wouldn't have put that line in there if there wasn't some significance to it... what do you think that means? He knew about Howard Stark? Perhaps learned some info from the Battle of New York?

Well, A) Tony Stark did redirect a nuclear missile right into one of Thanos's armies and B) I've heard it said that the soul stone gives Thanos the power to see and/or know about everyone in the universe.

Also, yes, "Thanos will return" is definitely in the movie. It occurs a couple of seconds after the post-credits scene. I missed it on my first viewing, but caught it on my second.

Aaaannnnd changing the subject, we got a new trailer for Luke Cage season 2 today (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB1in0KkoG4). It looks pretty cool ngl
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2018, 07:50:19 PM
I guess you're right. I mean, I know Thanos knows of that attack, I just didn't think he had any actual knowledge of who Iron Man/Tony Stark actually was since we've never had any hint of that. I thought maybe that line was foreshadowing some stuff in A4 which would be awesome, a flashback would be nice or something.
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Post by: lonestar on May 07, 2018, 08:24:07 PM
Language!


Aaaannnnd changing the subject, we got a new trailer for Luke Cage season 2 today (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB1in0KkoG4). It looks pretty cool ngl

I have it from a very trusted source that it's tremendously good. (I'm rather close to someone who gets to see the premieres)
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 07, 2018, 09:30:05 PM
jingle.son and I still have yet to watch JJ S2.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2018, 11:19:11 AM
Looking at the MCU release schedule in the rearview mirror from Infinity War, I just have to say:  Man, that deal with Fox for Spidey happened JUST in time.  He's one of my favorite characters, and we got just enough of him in Civil War and Homecoming to set up his role in Infinity War.  Any later, and his role would not have worked nearly as well.
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Post by: Grappler on May 08, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
Looking at the MCU release schedule in the rearview mirror from Infinity War, I just have to say:  Man, that deal with Fox Sony for Spidey happened JUST in time. 

Fixed.   :)   They worked in partnership with Sony for Spiderman Homecoming, while Sony let them use him in Civil War.

The Fox deal is what Disney is currently working on and what may give Marvel access to X-Men and Fantastic Four characters. 
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Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2018, 11:32:57 AM
Oops.  Yeah, thanks for the correction.  :) 
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Post by: The Walrus on May 08, 2018, 11:33:58 AM
Looking at the MCU release schedule in the rearview mirror from Infinity War, I just have to say:  Man, that deal with Fox for Spidey happened JUST in time.  He's one of my favorite characters, and we got just enough of him in Civil War and Homecoming to set up his role in Infinity War.  Any later, and his role would not have worked nearly as well.

+1. Couldn't be happier with how Marvel has included Spidey and I also couldn't be happier with Tom Holland in the role and hope he stays for a good long time.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 08, 2018, 12:06:01 PM
Looking at the MCU release schedule in the rearview mirror from Infinity War, I just have to say:  Man, that deal with Fox for Spidey happened JUST in time.  He's one of my favorite characters, and we got just enough of him in Civil War and Homecoming to set up his role in Infinity War.  Any later, and his role would not have worked nearly as well.

+1. Couldn't be happier with how Marvel has included Spidey and I also couldn't be happier with Tom Holland in the role and hope he stays for a good long time.

(https://replygif.net/i/164.gif)

But they just killed off the character??
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Post by: lonestar on May 08, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2018, 01:02:45 PM
One thing I am curious about going forward is whether we will find out anything about what happened on Knowhere, since gaining the reality stone was done completely off screen.  I mean, yes, Thanos got the power stone by destroying Xandar off screen as well.  But we basically know what we need to know in that situation.  The reality stone is a bit different, as there were loose ends that I think at least some people are curious about. 

For one thing, after the Collector's place basically blew up in Guardians I, we didn't even know if the Collector would still be there and if the stone was somehow lost/taken.  I guess we can now assume that he rebuilt and that the stone stayed there until Thanos came.

The more important detail is whether Thanos took it by force, whether the Collector gave it to him, or something else.  The Collector's comment in the end-credits scene after Thor:TDW was cryptic.  It clearly showed that he was out to collect the stones.  But for himself?  For Thanos?  For someone else? 

Maybe none of that is relevant.  But by the same token, it could be VERY relevant, especially if the Collector/Grandmaster theories floating around out there have anything to them. 
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Post by: Adami on May 08, 2018, 01:04:54 PM
I can't say for sure, but Knowhere and the Collector's place being completely destroyed suggests that Thanos took it by force and may have even killed him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2018, 01:11:23 PM
It certainly does seem to suggest that he took it by force.  But killed the Collector?  I'm not so sure.  I know the MCU is its own thing and doesn't necessarily take ANYTHING in the books as canon.  But for something as major as killing off one of the elders of the universe to just happen off screen...I dunno.  I am not ruling out the possibility of the Collector having his own agenda and coming back to play a role in A4. 

Do you think he's dead?
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Post by: Adami on May 08, 2018, 01:14:20 PM
It certainly does seem to suggest that he took it by force.  But killed the Collector?  I'm not so sure.  I know the MCU is its own thing and doesn't necessarily take ANYTHING in the books as canon.  But for something as major as killing off one of the elders of the universe to just happen off screen...I dunno.  I am not ruling out the possibility of the Collector having his own agenda and coming back to play a role in A4. 

Do you think he's dead?

Unlikely. I have no idea how they're doing the Elders in the movie, but in the comics it's not exactly easy to kill them.

That said, I doubt the Elders have a major role beyond what we've seen. I can see them returning, but not in much bigger roles.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 08, 2018, 03:06:08 PM
Yeah, the Collector has NOT be portrayed in the movies as anything even close to how significant he is in the comics.  I wouldn't be surprised if Thanos did kill Movie-Collector, and it's never discussed he (in the comics) is an Elder.  Just like Grandmaster... they didn't really talk about his significance in Ragnarok.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2018, 05:20:53 PM
Interesting:

Quote
Of course, there have been rumblings that Gamora was actually zapped inside the Soul Stone – ditto for all those characters reduced to dust – but at least according to Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, most of Infinity War‘s deaths are permanent, after all.

Said Markus:

"Avengers 4 doesn’t do what you think it does. It is a different movie than you think it is. Also…[the deaths are] real. I just want to tell you it’s real, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to move on to the next sage of grief."

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/avengers-4-deaths/
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Post by: Adami on May 08, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Black Panther 2: Rise of Shuri
Spider-Man 2: Miles Moralis
Guardians of the Galaxy 3: The adventures of Rocket and Nebula.


Honestly, I'm happy as long as everyone pre-snap is gone for good.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 08, 2018, 05:39:07 PM
I want to see a poster with a purple finger stretching toward an old Atari reset button, titled: "Avengers 4: What Does This Button Do?"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on May 08, 2018, 05:52:58 PM
Sure, the deaths are *real*, but that doesn't mean any weilder of the Gauntlent can't make their resurrection just as *real*.

I saw a theory that everyone who evaporated went to a different world/reality, and those that "survived" are the ones actually dead - or in some different kind of reality.  Not sure how much I can buy that, as most of them watched themselves dissolve.

Either way, I'm sure A4 will be just as bitchin.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 08, 2018, 07:28:38 PM
Black Panther 2: Rise of Shuri
Spider-Man 2: Miles Moralis
Guardians of the Galaxy 3: The adventures of Rocket and Nebula.


Honestly, I'm happy as long as everyone pre-snap is gone for good.

Although, on this note, I'm surprised almost no one has even been considering the possibility that the movie announcements post A4 were red herrings or just straight up lies. It's not likely I think, given contractual obligations, but it is a possibility.

jingle.son and I still have yet to watch JJ S2.

It's alright, but definitely not as good as season one. Most of the focus is on her character development and it's really a [wo]man vs self conflict throughout, which I've seen a lot of people online not really understand.

I can't say for sure, but Knowhere and the Collector's place being completely destroyed suggests that Thanos took it by force and may have even killed him.

That's what I assumed both times I watched the movie.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 08, 2018, 09:29:39 PM
jingle.son and I still have yet to watch JJ S2.

It's alright, but definitely not as good as season one. Most of the focus is on her character development and it's really a [wo]man vs self conflict throughout, which I've seen a lot of people online not really understand.

I liked it much more than season 1, though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 08, 2018, 09:32:45 PM
Season two of JJ was incredible. I'd put elements of it above season one and elements of it below season one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on May 08, 2018, 10:32:04 PM
There were good and bad parts to it. It's tough since Killgrave was such a perfect villain, so I think living up to that would have been an impossible chore, but the angle they went with it avoided having to live up to it altogether. There were some storylines that were just way to predictable (specifically Trish and the 'drug' story, that got old af really quick), but overall it was good stuff.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 09, 2018, 03:08:31 AM
HBO’s ’The Leftovers’ finally makes sense!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Ninjabait on May 09, 2018, 06:54:17 AM
JJS2 spoilers in this post for those who haven't seen it yet

There were good and bad parts to it. It's tough since Killgrave was such a perfect villain, so I think living up to that would have been an impossible chore, but the angle they went with it avoided having to live up to it altogether. There were some storylines that were just way to predictable (specifically Trish and the 'drug' story, that got old af really quick), but overall it was good stuff.

Yeah, most of my problems with season 2 lie with how they treated old characters that weren't JJ or Hogarth. Trish and (especially) Malcom's character development this season felt a little awkwardly handled at times (although I like the set up of Trish as Hellcat). I liked most of the new characters like Oscar and Vido though, and it's nice to see them "humanizing" JJ a little bit. Especially given how "prickly" she was last season.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2018, 09:55:18 AM
I was just thinking...of all the possible deaths/survivals that will take place over the course of Avengers 3 and 4, I can't help but think some of the original Avengers will have to sacrifice themselves and die...and that Tony will try to and ultimately be left alive.  I could be wrong, but that just strikes me as being where his character arc is going.  More than perhaps any other character, the MCU seems to have taken the greatest pains to show us how the events around him impact him psychologically and emotionally.  That was the case right from the getgo, where he made a drastic decision in IM1 to break from his weapon-profiteering past and go a completely different direction.  We see him struggling to cope with the guilt of his past and his new role in IM2.  The drunken party scene where he and Rhodey almost fight kind of epitomizes that.  We see it in his PTSD in IM3.  We see his emotions again being put on his sleeve and probably the biggest exposition of survivor's guilt in Age of Ultron.  We see it play out in Civil War.  In Spiderman, it starts to take on a new form in him simultaneously mentoring and enabling Peter, while also behaving like a guilty parent who tries desperately to build a bubble around their child...which continues in Infinity War.  I think it is an inevitable part of his story to be burdened with survivor's guilt after Avengers 4.  Of course, we won't know until we know.  But for now, that direction seems likely to me.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 11, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
I've been thinking about that, too, but I'm wondering if they're going to keep him alive but shelve him somehow so that he doesn't appear in future films, or maybe just does small cameos. With contracts and his high pay (he has to be the highest earning of the whole cast, right?), his departure is inevitable, but I've been wondering more and more for the last week or so if they're actually going to kill him in A4.

It's kind of surprising how this is still a mystery, so, kudos to Marvel :)
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Post by: Grappler on May 11, 2018, 10:26:40 AM
I've been thinking about that, too, but I'm wondering if they're going to keep him alive but shelve him somehow so that he doesn't appear in future films, or maybe just does small cameos. With contracts and his high pay (he has to be the highest earning of the whole cast, right?), his departure is inevitable, but I've been wondering more and more for the last week or so if they're actually going to kill him in A4.

It's kind of surprising how this is still a mystery, so, kudos to Marvel :)

I just read some random article the other day that said he was paid $10,000,000 for 8 minutes of screen time in Spiderman Homecoming. 

A number of the original Avengers' contracts are completed with Avengers 4, so I'm guessing it could be one or more.
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Post by: Adami on May 11, 2018, 10:27:40 AM
If they don't kill him, they can easily have him head a new SHIELD or some equivalent and pass on the Iron Man persona to someone else. That way he can make appearances if necessary but won't be central to plots. They could also do this to Cap, but the MCU Cap doesn't really fit that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2018, 10:35:06 AM
I've been thinking about that, too, but I'm wondering if they're going to keep him alive but shelve him somehow so that he doesn't appear in future films, or maybe just does small cameos. With contracts and his high pay (he has to be the highest earning of the whole cast, right?), his departure is inevitable, but I've been wondering more and more for the last week or so if they're actually going to kill him in A4.

It's kind of surprising how this is still a mystery, so, kudos to Marvel :)

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.  I'm also wondering whether A4 will somewhat follow the pattern of Return of the King, with the main action being over, and then an extended epilogue where the film just kind of ties up the loose ends and closes the book on a lot of characters we won't be seeing again.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 11, 2018, 10:38:55 AM
I would love nothing more than the last 40 minutes of A4 to be that kind of nice, slow-paced, wrapping up. Seriously.

Maybe without the emotional 10 minute stares between Stark and Banner a la Frodo and Sam, but still.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 11, 2018, 11:31:53 AM
If they don't kill him, they can easily have him head a new SHIELD or some equivalent and pass on the Iron Man persona to someone else. That way he can make appearances if necessary but won't be central to plots. They could also do this to Cap, but the MCU Cap doesn't really fit that.

There is a theory floating around the internet that says...


*THIS MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A SPOILER, EVEN THOUGH IS JUST A THEORY*














Shuri supposedly takes the mantle of Iron Heart (basically the female version of Iron Man) after Avengers 4. We didn't see her turn to dust at the end of IW so I bet they're saving her being alive as a "shocking" reveal at the start of A4. She could help Stark work on some kind of technology to stop Thanos or whatever, wich might lead to Tony leaving the mantle to her, whatever happens to him in the next movie.

Btw, I'm pretty sure she managed to save Vision's consciousness before he went to fight with Corvus Glaive, and now that his body is conveniently in one piece after Thanos removed the stone, it wouldn't surprise me if they bring him back too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2018, 11:35:55 AM
Save Vision's consciousness? I mean what she was trying to do was separate the stone. She wasn't downloading his essence or anything.

When Thanos ripped out the stone, he ripped out a huge chunk of Vision's "brain" or whatever. Sure, it's possible she can save him, since I doubt they entered into that story line for no reason, but I sure hope he's dead.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 11, 2018, 11:38:01 AM
My predictions for the fates of each character:

Uncle Sam: Going to die 100%. One of the biggest things he faces as a character is "being a soldier without a war to fight", so having him die in combat I think is a fitting end for the character. Plus, Evan's contract is up and he has expressed no interest in renewal.
Metal Man: Either going to die or retire. RDJ is acting like these are his last movies in the MCU, his contract is up, he's expensive, and it would be a perfect end for his character arc (especially retirement). Plus, his death could spark some interesting internal conflict with Peter and Spidey 2 could focus on him trying to cope and/or finding a new father figure/mentor (which could be a great set-up to introduce someone like Doc Oc or Green Goblin).
Point Break: Hemsworth's contract is up, but he's expressed interest in renewing it now that his character has developed into something interesting. Plus he just got a crap load of powers. I don't see him dying, but he could take on a lesser role in future movies. If he does, Vaklyrie will probably take over his mantle and rule New Asgard.
Hide the Cucumber: Ruffalo has 2 movies left on his contract after A4. He's going to live.
Thigh Chokehold: Black Widow has a solo movie coming up and she hasn't really gotten enough focus yet. I don't see her dying or retiring.
The True Strongest Avenger: Renner still has two movies on his contract after A4 iirc. Even if one of them is a potential BW/Hawkeye flashback movie, that still leaves one on his contract. He could die, but I doubt it.
Baby Robot Goku Jesus: Dead.
Birdman: Like Thor, Mackie's contract is up with A4. I'm feeling this is Falcon's last rodeo.
Aluminum Man: Really, the one I'm least sure on. I don't see him having a big role in future movies, so I'm going to guess either death or retirement.
Grower, Not a Shower: 0% chance of Ant-Man dying. 0. Z-E-R-O. He's one of the leaders of the next-gen of Marvel movies and is two movies into a trilogy now.
Arachnoboy: He gon get resurrected, then be an important figure coming up. Also he has a movie. So.
Mr. Doctor: C'mon. We all know he's gonna live.
Cat-Man: He's only used up like...two of his 9 lives. Plus he'll likely have a sequel.
Hermione Granger: Another one I'm not so sure on. Her trauma over Baby Robot Goku Jesus's death could make interesting fodder for a solo movie or to set her up as a future "I can't control my powers"/Jean Grey/Phoenix-type villain. Or she could just die.
Gonna Need That Arm: He has like 80,000,000 movies left on his contract. He probably won't take up the role of Cap like some people thing, but I do not see Bucky dying.
Chubby Chipmunk: Rocket ain't goin nowhere.
Space Man: Quill has a lot of unresolved character development that probably needs to happen. I don't see him dying.
The Invisible Man: Drax could die. Or we could have more character development from him trying to figure out what to do after Thanos bites the dus-um wow poor choice of words.
I Am Groot: I Am Groot.
Why Are There So Many Characters?: Mantis was just introduced. C'mon.
Green Giant Green Beans: I'd say she stays dead...until GotG Vol. 3.
Cyborg Amelia Pond: Either joins the Guardians or dies. I'm leaning towards the later.
Barney: Seriously? Thanos is the villain. He gon die.

Watch me be completely wrong.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.  I'm also wondering whether A4 will somewhat follow the pattern of Return of the King, with the main action being over, and then an extended epilogue where the film just kind of ties up the loose ends and closes the book on a lot of characters we won't be seeing again.

I never realized how much I wanted this. It'd be such a nice way to end the movie.

If they don't kill him, they can easily have him head a new SHIELD or some equivalent and pass on the Iron Man persona to someone else. That way he can make appearances if necessary but won't be central to plots. They could also do this to Cap, but the MCU Cap doesn't really fit that.

I don't see them making Stark head of SHIELD. It'd really step on the toes of the television shows and rile up a bunch of fans (which they probs don't want). Plus, it'd make all that "end-game" foreshadowing moot and would hurt his character development imo.
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Post by: Adami on May 11, 2018, 11:42:51 AM
The only show it would step on is Agents of SHIELD, which to my knowledge hasn't been renewed yet, and if so, likely won't get too many more seasons for it to matter.

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Post by: Ninjabait on May 11, 2018, 11:58:23 AM
The only show it would step on is Agents of SHIELD, which to my knowledge hasn't been renewed yet, and if so, likely won't get too many more seasons for it to matter.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to. Even though abc has a penchant for cancelling things seemingly at random (I've joked that abc stands for Already Been Cancelled), I think we're at least gonna get one more season out of AoS. afaik the show is moving towards a close though (I'm about a season behind oops) so it'll probably wrap up after another season or two. Which will air right around the time A4 does.

Even then though, I don't think it's a good idea. It could happen, but I really hope not. I'd rather finally get closure on Iron Man's story.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2018, 12:39:24 PM
Well, here's an interesting theory:  https://screenrant.com/infinity-war-loki-hulk-banner/

As I was first reading it, I started to buy in.  I makes a LOT of sense.  But then, about halfway through, I shot it down pretty quickly.  As much sense as it makes on the surface, there is one GLARING hole in the theory that the article does not address:  there were a couple of times where Banner is not with any of the other Avengers and is either trying to coax the Hulk out, or is having dialog with Hulk.  If it were merely Loki posing as Banner, that would make no sense.  It is in intriguing theory.  But upon a bit of reflection, I don't see how it could possibly be true.  And part of me is kinda bummed about that.  :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 11, 2018, 02:01:05 PM
I like the idea of a more prominent role for Shuri.  In the comics, she is the Queen of Wakanda in many threads (along with being a BP), so there's that possibility too.  With T'Challa 'dead', she is indeed the rightful heir at the moment - and has all the tech to be the BP... don't dare try to tell me there ain't no more Heart-Shaped Herb's out there!  Somebody in Wakanda has a secret stash.

@ Bosk... I concur.  In the movies - AND in the comics - virtually every driving force behind Tony and his actions/decisions is guilt or regret.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 12, 2018, 12:54:06 AM
ABC officially cancelled Inhumans and I for one am at a loss for words..
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Post by: Adami on May 12, 2018, 01:29:01 AM
ABC officially cancelled Inhumans and I for one am at a loss for words..
(https://www.quirkybyte.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Sad-Black-Bolt-in-Inhumans.jpg)
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Post by: BlackInk on May 12, 2018, 01:44:21 AM
 :lol
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Post by: King Postwhore on May 12, 2018, 06:26:15 AM
He's playing the new captain on the new Star Trek series.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 13, 2018, 09:10:08 AM
Saw Age of Ultron a few days ago. Still like it more than the first Avengers movie. Overall, pretty good.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 13, 2018, 01:32:37 PM
I'll be honest, I really like Age of Ultron. I don't think it deserves all the hate it gets. The like 20min on the Barton Farm is one of my favorite parts of any Marvel movie.
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Post by: jammindude on May 13, 2018, 06:37:14 PM
The more I see all the pieces fit together, I honestly don’t understand the hate for any of them. 

I will admit that IM3 is probably the least favorite....but I actually still really like it. 

I’m currently a bit bummed that Agent Carter isn’t available streaming anywhere.  (Well....not without paying beyond what I’m already paying).  It’s almost become a fun little quest now for the wife and I to track down every little corner of this little “universe” they’ve built.   In some ways, I hate the fact that that is exactly what they wanted.   Makes me feel slightly manipulated.   But at the end of the day, you got to say “what the heck” sometimes.  Especially when you’re having fun.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 13, 2018, 07:26:10 PM
I love all the Iron Man movies. Even Iron Man 3 is better than the Thors (imo) - although the cop-out with the Mandarin is annoying. I don't get the hate for the kid either.
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Post by: jammindude on May 13, 2018, 09:50:50 PM
I get that Dark World is really annoying to some purists, but being a HUGE fan of Kat Dennings (I will watch her in ANYTHING....even if it’s horrible....on mute if I must)....but even just at a Marvel level, it’s so important to the story arc that it’s hard for me to hate on it too much.  I mean, The Incredible Hulk...which everyone admits is the red-headed step-child of the MCU...is so non-essential to the overall story arc that the powers that be would almost have you dismiss it altogether.    And it’s STILL more entertaining than Thor 2 or IM3.     But the latter tie into the story arc more so.....

Ya, there’s not a single movie that doesn’t have rewatchability in my opinion.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 13, 2018, 11:52:42 PM
Only MCU movie I’ve only seen once is my least favorite one: Ant-Man. I have pretty much no interest in seeing it again.
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Post by: Lax on May 15, 2018, 02:32:27 AM
A little opinion in a hurry about recent watches

PS: Can't wait to see deadpool2, the MCU champion

JJ season 2 : 50% pleasure, I was happy watching it but it wasn't heroic enough for me, too systematic cliffhanger styled, too slow and not enough violent. It wasn't even a life lesson or a big step in JJ's head. It was more of a "season 2 : how to deal with this shitty situation"

Avengers IW : 100% pleasure, fan service, cast, violence, humour, thanos...I could make lists of all that I loved in it :)
Honestly, I think we're seeing everyone in A4 and it will happen in the soul stone and earth.
I think too that people in the stone are gonna live and the others alive are endangered or to be sacrificed.
I smell new avengers with strange/spidey/maybe antman etc
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Post by: Cyclopssss on May 15, 2018, 04:35:39 AM
Great news: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. got renewed for (an albeit shorter) season 6! :hefdaddy
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Post by: Orbert on May 15, 2018, 07:46:52 AM
Surprising, but good news.  I was just catching up on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. the other day, got through three more episodes, two to go.  Still some silly shit, but the show has continued to get better and better, even as they slash the budget and give them less and less to work with.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 15, 2018, 08:44:20 AM
AOS is one of my favorite comic book shows, hope the shorter season doesn’t mean it’s their last one :'(
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Post by: bosk1 on May 15, 2018, 08:52:58 AM
Is he beginning of the present season available yet?  I missed it when it aired, and it wasn't on Netflix for awhile, so I am out of the loop on present happenings.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 15, 2018, 09:14:30 AM
Is he beginning of the present season available yet?  I missed it when it aired, and it wasn't on Netflix for awhile, so I am out of the loop on present happenings.

jingle.son and I have about 11 episodes saved on the DVR to go thru.
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Post by: Orbert on May 15, 2018, 10:57:19 AM
AOS is one of my favorite comic book shows, hope the shorter season doesn’t mean it’s their last one :'(

I'm thinking it will be.  I'd already assumed that this season was the last.  When they start cutting the budget and ordering fewer episodes, that's never a good sign.  ABC is ready to cut this one.  :'(
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 15, 2018, 03:08:31 PM
https://tvline.com/2018/05/15/agents-of-shield-season-6-summer-2019/

According to this interview with the president of ABC, Season 6 of AoS will be in the Summer of next year and does not look to be their last since it has such high delayed viewing numbers. It may be a summer show from now on, however.
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Post by: Orbert on May 15, 2018, 04:42:27 PM
So the show has basically been downgraded from a regular series to a "summer fill-in" kind of series.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on May 15, 2018, 05:06:51 PM
On the bright side, that would mean they would come out after Avengers 4, so they don't have to try to work around the events of Infinity War.
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Post by: The Trooper on May 17, 2018, 10:43:23 AM
Just saw Deadpool 2. Just as good as the first if not better. Need to rewatch it again because I I know missed some of the one liners.  Solid movie, and I love the first Deadpool.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 18, 2018, 06:08:25 AM
Deadpool was pretty awesome.
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Post by: lonestar on May 18, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
Damn, wtf at that ending of AoS man....  :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: jammindude on May 19, 2018, 01:30:06 AM
So mad I can’t watch this....
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Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2018, 03:57:58 AM
SPOILERS for Agents of Shield, for those who can't watch the latest episodes yet



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I'm a bit disappointed that the season didn't end with half of everyone disappearing. I get it, it wants to be its own thing, but when Infinity War ends with such a universally massive thing I feel like it should ripple through the rest of the cinematic universe as well. The way AoS tied into Age of Ultron was among the coolest moments of the show, so I'm just a bit bummed that we didn't get more than just a quick mention of Thanos.

But yeah, the finale was pretty good and emotional anyways so I'm not that upset. I rolled my eyes hard when they revealed that Fitz wasn't dead after all, but then when I realized how they solved it I was actually quite impressed. I had completely forgotten that Enok still has him frozen somewhere in space in this timeline, so cudos to them for that.

Although, Daisy's fight with Talbot wasn't really that great. Her surviving him smashing her into the street from like a thousand feet in the air was pretty bullshit. Her finding the cerum and injecting herself, changing the timeline was pretty cool, but then that one push was all it took to beat him? Seemed a bit cheap.

But Fitz death scene was great. Fantastic acting on his part. And again, great way to actually have your cake and eat it too. Killing off a great character, but still finding a way to keep him around without actually cheating.
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Post by: gzarruk on May 19, 2018, 11:30:37 AM
SPOILERS for Agents of Shield, for those who can't watch the latest episodes yet



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I'm a bit disappointed that the season didn't end with half of everyone disappearing. I get it, it wants to be its own thing, but when Infinity War ends with such a universally massive thing I feel like it should ripple through the rest of the cinematic universe as well. The way AoS tied into Age of Ultron was among the coolest moments of the show, so I'm just a bit bummed that we didn't get more than just a quick mention of Thanos.

But yeah, the finale was pretty good and emotional anyways so I'm not that upset. I rolled my eyes hard when they revealed that Fitz wasn't dead after all, but then when I realized how they solved it I was actually quite impressed. I had completely forgotten that Enok still has him frozen somewhere in space in this timeline, so cudos to them for that.

Although, Daisy's fight with Talbot wasn't really that great. Her surviving him smashing her into the street from like a thousand feet in the air was pretty bullshit. Her finding the cerum and injecting herself, changing the timeline was pretty cool, but then that one push was all it took to beat him? Seemed a bit cheap.

But Fitz death scene was great. Fantastic acting on his part. And again, great way to actually have your cake and eat it too. Killing off a great character, but still finding a way to keep him around without actually cheating.

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I literally cried when Fitz died, but I'm so relieved they found a way  to bring him back, and now that we know they're renewed for a shorter season, I'm hoping the first thing they do is rescue him from space, no matter if they have to kill Enoch to do it. This finale was spectacular, even with the flaws you pointed. What a great way to wrap the season.

The only things I wish they showed, but probably didn't because of time are how does the future look now and, is Deke still around? Will be interesting things to pick up for the next season. Specially hope Deke's still around, 'cause he's a great character.
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Post by: BlackInk on May 19, 2018, 02:08:59 PM
Yeah, what was up with that? They just completely ignored Deke for the second half of the episode.
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Post by: lonestar on May 19, 2018, 02:51:28 PM
Just got out of Deadpool, my sides are fucking sore. Gotta catch that one again.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 19, 2018, 06:06:07 PM
Gotta catch Deadpool. Bought Black Panther today. Very fun movie, lots of beautiful cinematography and vibrant colors, good stuff.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2018, 11:45:55 AM
Anyone else catch the first two Cloak and Dagger episodes? I thought they were quite good. I'm into it.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2018, 11:50:54 AM
I didn't realize it was out already.  Is it on Netflix?
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Post by: Adami on June 08, 2018, 11:51:42 AM
I didn't realize it was out already.  Is it on Netflix?

Apparently it debuted this week. Dunno about Netflix, but Hulu should have it the Friday after it airs.

So I'm looking forward to seeing it later today. Heard good things.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2018, 11:53:59 AM
Oh, so it's not a Netflix series like Daredevil, JJ, etc.?  That's more what I was asking.  It's on regular network tv?
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Post by: Adami on June 08, 2018, 11:57:29 AM
Oh, so it's not a Netflix series like Daredevil, JJ, etc.?  That's more what I was asking.  It's on regular network tv?

Nah, not a Netflix show. It's on Freeform (still not 100% sure what that even is).

I think at some point they might want to try to bring their shows together a bit more. This puts them on 3 different platforms at once, not counting the Fox Marvel shows.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 08, 2018, 12:49:07 PM
I suppose it's more in the vain of 'The Runaways' in terms of style. Perhaps a bit lighter than the Netflix shows, but darker than say Agents of Shield.
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Post by: ariich on June 08, 2018, 02:11:28 PM
Bit late but I finally caught up on Infinity War.


















































Damn.
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Post by: Orbert on June 08, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
Nah, not a Netflix show. It's on Freeform (still not 100% sure what that even is).

Freeform used to be The Family Channel, but I guess they're no longer strictly family-friendly, or something. :p
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Post by: ErHaO on June 08, 2018, 05:19:07 PM
That animated Spider-Man film, Into the Spiderverse, looks surprisingly cool. If Sony is going to do Spidey stuff outside of the MCU, this is the way to do it. I hope it ends up being a good film. Latest trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Hbz2jLxvQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Hbz2jLxvQ)

I have zero hope for Venom though.
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Post by: gzarruk on June 08, 2018, 05:31:11 PM
Watched the first 2 episodes of Cloak and Dagger and it's very good so far!
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Post by: jammindude on June 10, 2018, 12:13:02 AM
Agreed.  I'm watching the 2 hour premier (On Demand) and it's A LOT better than I thought it would be.

The only official MCU story I haven't seen is Agent Carter (which I'm ordering on DVD this week) and The Inhumans (which I've heard is the only god awful thing that exists in the official MCU canon). 
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Post by: gzarruk on June 10, 2018, 01:01:26 PM
The only official MCU story I haven't seen is Agent Carter (which I'm ordering on DVD this week) and The Inhumans (which I've heard is the only god awful thing that exists in the official MCU canon).

Haven’t seen Agent Carter, so can’t comment on that. Inhumans, though... not very good. I watched the whole season and it’s not as awful as people say it is, but it’s only worth checking out if you are one of those completists and want to see everything there is on the MCU, if not, just pass.
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Post by: Ninjabait on June 10, 2018, 05:42:12 PM
I've seen Agent Carter season 1 (haven't gotten around to seeing season 2 yet, but iirc it's on Hulu so I should get on that), and it is good. Not quite the "DDS1/DDS2/JJS1" level of MCU TV quality, but it's about on par with Luke Cage, the Defenders, or the early seasons of Agents of Shield if you ask me. Definitely recommend you check out Agent Carter.
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Post by: Adami on June 10, 2018, 05:52:59 PM
Season 1 of Agent Carter is really great. Season 2 is a major let down.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 10, 2018, 11:46:02 PM
Ad me to the ones being really impressed with the first two Cloak and Dagger episodes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 10, 2018, 11:48:17 PM
Ad me to the ones being really impressed with the first two Cloak and Dagger episodes.

Yea, it really was. They changed a ton from the comics, but I think it's for the best. I really like how they handled it so far.

Then again, I loved the first two episodes of The Runaways before it went down hill (though it was never bad, just so different from the comics, and I was a HUGE fan of the comics, so it was hard to divorce it).
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 10, 2018, 11:50:34 PM
I never read any of the Runaways comics, but I do remember reading Cloak and Dagger for a while. It's been a loooong while though. I think they handled it just right.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2018, 10:13:26 AM
The only official MCU story I haven't seen is Agent Carter (which I'm ordering on DVD this week) and The Inhumans (which I've heard is the only god awful thing that exists in the official MCU canon). 
Agent Carter is fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on June 11, 2018, 10:44:09 AM
Season 1 of Agent Carter was passable. Season 2 was my least favorite MCU thing until Inhumans.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2018, 10:50:40 AM
Nah, season 2 is great.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 11, 2018, 11:26:25 AM
Nah, season 2 is great.


Ehhhhh. It had good moments, but it felt like a major drop in quality. No where near Inhumans, but still.

To each his own.
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Post by: Ninjabait on June 12, 2018, 03:36:13 PM
Infinity War has officially hit 2 billion dollars worldwide at the box office!
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Post by: Dream Team on June 13, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
Infinity War has officially hit 2 billion dollars worldwide at the box office!

Awesome. Keep ‘em coming Marvel.
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Post by: BlackInk on June 14, 2018, 01:04:35 AM
Nice, I think it deserves it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on June 19, 2018, 07:08:05 AM
Finally!!!! Season 5 of Agents of SHIELD was released on Netflix a couple days ago, and I watched the 2-part premier last night.

Weird opening. I’m cautiously skeptical, but the wife’s not digging it. As this starts, I could see this being really cool...but it’s quite a left turn. I could see it going south really fast.

I’ve heard that the ending is pretty emotional so I’ve got high hopes.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on June 19, 2018, 07:09:25 AM
Hang in there. It's a great (and emotional) season.
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Post by: gzarruk on June 19, 2018, 09:33:52 AM
Hang in there. It's a great (and emotional) season.

Indeed, it’s a very emotional and amazing season.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on June 20, 2018, 08:53:05 PM
I am going to sound like a complete dork, that said. I am a Marvel geek. I again re watched Infinity War for like the tenth time. I pick up something new everytime I watch it. For a semi culmination of a 10 year franchise it is a pure brilliant movie. To take  on a MASSIVE story and keep the characters as  they have evolved is pure brilliance, The Russo Bros made an iconic film. I know its not gonna get Oscar nods, but it should be considered for a best picture nod
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on June 20, 2018, 10:14:13 PM
I am going to sound like a complete dork, that said. I am a Marvel geek. I again re watched Infinity War for like the tenth time. I pick up something new everytime I watch it. For a semi culmination of a 10 year franchise it is a pure brilliant movie. To take  on a MASSIVE story and keep the characters as  they have evolved is pure brilliance, The Russo Bros made an iconic film. I know its not gonna get Oscar nods, but it should be considered for a best picture nod

IW is now my favorite film of all time. Can't wait for it to be released on blu-ray.
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Post by: The Trooper on June 20, 2018, 10:24:44 PM
besides Jaws I think it s my fav film ever.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on June 21, 2018, 04:14:12 AM
I’m a bit torn on subjects like these. While Infinity War is indeed my favorite movie of 2018 so far, I actually don’t feel excited over the hypothetical scenario that it receives a best pictute nomination. In my mind, that’s not what the Oscars are or what they should be. I’d much rather the nominations go to the artsy, dark, low key, philosophical, and deep films that usually get them. Infinity War can get the technical nods, I wouldn’t mind that. It deserves it, and it’ll do fine with those. I LOVE it to pieces, but not among the best picture nominees.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on June 21, 2018, 04:31:01 AM
I agree.  Oscars are typically (and I'm fine with it) reserved for critical acclaim, not popular acclaim.  Generating $2B in revenue is enough recognition that it's a fantastic film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on June 21, 2018, 09:05:45 AM
Trust me I see your points. I am a film geek and appreciate an "Oscar" worthy type film. I do not care much money a film makes.

I just find the film well done and wrtten
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on June 22, 2018, 07:51:21 PM
I actually think it will get a nomination, if only out of respect for what they've managed to accomplish with the franchise.


On another note, digging into Luke Cage S2. I know feelings were mixed here on S1, but I fucking loved it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on June 22, 2018, 08:42:29 PM
I actually think it will get a nomination, if only out of respect for what they've managed to accomplish with the franchise.


On another note, digging into Luke Cage S2. I know feelings were mixed here on S1, but I fucking loved it.

I didn't even realize S2 was released today. I wasn't a big fan of S1, but will still check this season out when I get enough time to watch it (maybe in a couple weeks).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on June 23, 2018, 05:12:47 AM
S1 was fantastic until Cottonmouth bought it, and Diamondback became the main antagonist.  Those last 4 episodes were pretty bad.

I'm looking forward to the return of Mariah though.  Love me some Alfre Woodard.

jingle.son and I still have 2 episodes of JJ to finish off, plus the second 1/2 of the season for Agents of Shield.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on June 23, 2018, 05:46:33 AM
Yeah first half of S1 was brilliant, on a par with the other Netflix shows, second half was kind of terrible. I read that the show runners have realised the error in it, so hopefully S2 will be more consistent!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on June 23, 2018, 06:04:53 AM
We've finished episode 3 of LC S2 last night. Damn, some fine acting at the end there. Quite emotional and frightening.

I must say, the music for this series is fantastic. I'd forgotten.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on June 23, 2018, 05:08:55 PM
We've finished episode 3 of LC S2 last night. Damn, some fine acting at the end there. Quite emotional and frightening.

I must say, the music for this series is fantastic. I'd forgotten.

I was coming in here to comment on exactly those two subjects. Yes, that ending was tremendously acted, left me quite speechless to be honest.

And yes, as someone who doesn't seek out the genres generally featured in the show, they manage to get musicians that are fucking killer, the two bluesmen especially in e3 and e4 were just killer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: NoseofNicko on June 23, 2018, 08:03:58 PM
Just watched the first episode (Luke Cage Season 2). There was a scene of violence at the end of it that surprised me. I don’t remember the first season having that kind of graphic bloody violence. I’m not complaining.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on June 23, 2018, 10:38:31 PM
Just watched the first episode (Luke Cage Season 2). There was a scene of violence at the end of it that surprised me. I don’t remember the first season having that kind of graphic bloody violence. I’m not complaining.

I know the exact moment, so brutal. Guess with what they got away with on Punisher, they feel they can push the limits on the other shows a bit more now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 24, 2018, 05:38:15 PM
Just watched infinity war and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanos was fantastic as a villain and they did a good job of building an interweaving story that wasn't a clusterfuck.

So one question though. Thanos just wanted to kill half the universe? that's it? Now what? I can understand him thinking he needs to sacrifice some people to save all people or whatever, but was the universe really out of balance?

Or does he just think that its out of balance?

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on June 24, 2018, 07:20:05 PM
Well, he's gone fairly mad so it's a good question. The way I see it is that it's not unreasonable of him to consider the universe out of balance. But with the gauntlet, clearly he doesn't need to kill half the universe as he can do pretty much anything so he could double the resources instead. But he's fixated on what he's done in the past when he didn't have the gauntlet, and which as far as he's concerned works.

But you could equally argue that the universe isn't even as unbalanced as he says.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on June 25, 2018, 09:16:42 AM
And as I’ve said somwhere earlier in this thread, the resources/population ratio isn’t really the problem, it’s how you divide those resources. If half of the people in the world died today, the poorest people in Africa for example wouldn’t really be automatically better off because of that.

I think the best explanation is yeah, Thanos is quite literally mad.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 27, 2018, 01:07:05 PM
So I finished watching Luke Cage season 2 and I have to say.................I REALLY loved it.


I heard the main complaints are the pacing and that it's too long, but I think that extra time is given to some of the best character development work I've seen on a Marvel show yet. This was an extremely well made show. The story arc's for everybody were incredibly well done. The acting was top notch. The music was great. The fight scenes were....servicable. And....they actually fixed Iron Fist, hopefully that carries over.

I didn't care for the final 5-10 minutes or so, but everyone else was stunning. I'd put this on a similar level to Daredevil season 1.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on June 27, 2018, 02:22:44 PM
That's really awesome to hear, especially the way season 1 fell apart in the second half (IMO). Only 3 episodes in so far, but it's solid already.

EDIT: Oh and I really couldn't care less about the "too slow" complaint that gets levelled at all of the Marvel Netflix shows. They are all quite slow paced, but it allows for lots of good character stuff and I love it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: BlackInk on June 28, 2018, 03:57:05 AM
I watched the first episode of season 2 a few days ago. I’m sad to say that I was frustratingly uninterested in anything happening on screen.

Haven’t read comments about it here very carefully because of fear of spoilers, but I see that Adami likes it. I hope it gets better, because I will likely want to finish it at somr point. I just don’t feel any drive to do so now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on June 28, 2018, 04:33:09 AM
I watched the first episode of season 2 a few days ago. I’m sad to say that I was frustratingly uninterested in anything happening on screen.

Haven’t read comments about it here very carefully because of fear of spoilers, but I see that Adami likes it. I hope it gets better, because I will likely want to finish it at somr point. I just don’t feel any drive to do so now.

It’s very slow and character focused. So if you’re looking for a lot of fun action and stuff, this isn’t it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on June 28, 2018, 06:25:44 AM
We finished it last night.

I'm not sure what to think of the ending (the last 15 minutes). It wasn't bad...it just seemed...off base? But the season overall was fantastic! Like Adami mentioned. There is a lot of dialog and actor to actor fireworks rather than fist fights, although there are a few big fight scenes.

The twists and turns of how we, the audience, were asked viewed those in opposition to Luke, was really interesting. Bushmaster, Mariah, Tilda, Hernan, his dad, Claire...all had believable, human, motivations. No black and while evil villain for this season. Marvel has gotten pretty good at this, I think.

And thank Thor, Danny Rand wasn't an annoying whiner. That was actually quite a good episode when he came to check on Luke.

Anyway, I loved it. I think Netflix has done a terrific job with both JJ2 and LC2. I give 'em  :tup :tup in a circle.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on June 28, 2018, 11:09:50 AM
I wasn't gonna mention anything till a few more peeps saw it, but yeah they did redeem Rand a bit and the one scene where he's about to go on his "iron fist immortal blah blah" diatribe and Luke hella cuts him off was fucking priceless.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on June 29, 2018, 01:15:19 PM
Went to a screening of Ant -Man & Wasp.

Fun movie. Popcorn fun type. An upper from the way Infinity War ended. Better than the first one and I tend to like the first Ant-Man. Does not add much to what Avengers 4 will be......................except

That said, make sure you stay after the credits
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
That said, make sure you stay after the credits

Honestly, who doesn't?  :lol

On another topic, I was thinking about something that perhaps nobody but me finds interesting, but I'll share it anyway.  Just one the subject of Marvel movie marathons, with so many out now, it's virtually impossible to do any kind of meaningful marathon, even spread over several weeks.  But I was thinking about doing it a little differently.  What about a marathon of the key films that cover certain character arcs?  For instance, what got me thinking about it was doing a marathon of Tony Stark's development and character arc, which would be:

Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Avengers
Iron Man 3
Age of Ultron
Civil War
Infinity War
[Avengers 4]

I guess if you really wanted to flesh it out, you could also add in Winter Soldier for the back story on Bucky being evil and add Spiderman for Tony developing into Peter's surrogate father figure.  But I don't view those as "essential" to the arc.  And, yes, I know many don't care for IM3.  But in terms of Tony's character development, it is absolutely crucial, so I would include it (aside from the fact that I really like it). 

You could do the same for others.  For instance, Cap:  The First Avenger>Avengers>Winter Soldier>Age of Ultron>Civil War>Infinity War.  Or Thor:  Thor>Avengers>Thor 2>[optional: Guardians, for infinity stone backstory and to flesh out his later interaction with the guardians]>Age of Ultron>Ragnarok>Infinity War.  Hulk:  Hulk>Avengers>Age of Ultron>Ragnarok>Infinity War.

Aside from Tony's, I actually think the Hulk arc would be the most fun.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on June 29, 2018, 08:41:51 PM
I'm actually doing a movie every couple of weeks in chronological order.   I have it timed out so that when I finish all 19 movies, it will be time for Avengers 4.   

I watched CA:TFA two weeks ago, and I'm watching Iron Man this Sunday.   Then the Incredible Hulk in a couple of weeks....etc..etc..
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ErHaO on July 05, 2018, 08:26:15 AM
Never could push myself to finish Jessica Jones season 2 (an average family drama without the elements that made the first season great). and I hated The Defenders (looked incredibly cheap and the writing was abysmal). Thought Luke Cage season 1 was really too slow and Iron Fist was a mess but still an entertaining one. Maybe I will check out Luke Cage season 2 but I don't feel any urgency to do so.

Punisher and Daredevil is where it's at for me. And Agents of Shield, which turned out to be vastly superior to any of the Netflix stuff despite it's really bad start and so-so third season.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on July 05, 2018, 10:01:38 PM
Saw Ant-Man and it was hilarious. Much funnier than the first one. I think this movie is the least serious MCU movie of them all. I had fun the entire time and definitely didn't feel or have any serious tone like infinity wars. Loved the mid and post credits. The wait for captain marvel and the next avengers movie is going to be excruciating.

Id say this was the most family friendly movie of them all.
It had lower than usual stakes and not much dread. Mostly feel-good stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on July 06, 2018, 09:04:16 AM
That's good to hear.  I liked the first Ant-Man, and this one sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 06, 2018, 09:59:12 PM
Just got out, and I echo all those sentiments. Just a blast of a flick.

The wait for captain marvel and the next avengers movie is going to be excruciating.


Dude... So much this.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on July 08, 2018, 07:38:02 PM
That post credit scene though...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 08, 2018, 10:02:36 PM
That post credit scene though...

I know...not even sure where to begin the speculation on how that'll fit into the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 13, 2018, 09:39:16 PM
I was just re-watching Ragnorok and for the first time noticed the amount of influence Queen's soundtrack for Flash Gordon is in it. Good stuff..
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on July 13, 2018, 10:06:24 PM
Just saw Ant Man. Very cool, fun movie, we had a lot of laughs :tup

THAT post credits scene, though. When can we discuss it? :eek
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 13, 2018, 10:14:36 PM
Just saw Ant Man. Very cool, fun movie, we had a lot of laughs :tup

THAT post credits scene, though. When can we discuss it? :eek

I hope we can discuss it soon. Let's make this snappy!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on July 14, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
THAT post credits scene, though. When can we discuss it? :eek

What do you mean?  The movie is out.  Discuss away!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 14, 2018, 12:34:58 PM
Ant Man tonight, woohoo!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on July 14, 2018, 01:23:10 PM
Yeah it's been a week, I see no reason to hold off. Makes things interesting for sure cause now they can't go back in time otherwise ant man is lost forever. The universe has to be restored as is, which means Gamora is probably toast.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 01:28:42 PM
Yeah it's been a week, I see no reason to hold off. Makes things interesting for sure cause now they can't go back in time otherwise ant man is lost forever. The universe has to be restored as is, which means Gamora is probably toast.

....avoid the time vortexes ;)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on July 14, 2018, 01:58:18 PM
Yeah it's been a week, I see no reason to hold off. Makes things interesting for sure cause now they can't go back in time otherwise ant man is lost forever. The universe has to be restored as is, which means Gamora is probably toast.

....avoid the time vortexes ;)

Yeah, jingle.son said there's some theories out there about that, and Ant Man playing a fairly large role in Avengers 4
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on July 14, 2018, 05:05:47 PM
Gamora is not toast. There are theories that she is inside the soul stone. Out of everyone that died Gamora is the only one that is coming back for sure.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 05:14:30 PM
Gamora is not toast. There are theories that she is inside the soul stone. Out of everyone that died Gamora is the only one that is coming back for sure.

Ugh, I hope not. I hope every pre-snap stays dead.

There was a ton of weight to her death. To undo it would seem cheap.

I'm sure you're right though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: masterthes on July 14, 2018, 05:31:34 PM
I don't know if this has been discussed, but after rewatching Ragnorok, I have go wonder: what would've happened had Loki left the Tesseract on Asgard? Would there have been no Infinity War, and ergo, is Loki somehow responsible for quadrillions of deaths?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 05:33:16 PM
I don't know if this has been discussed, but after rewatching Ragnorok, I have go wonder: what would've happened had Loki left the Tesseract on Asgard? Would there have been no Infinity War, and ergo, is Loki somehow responsible for quadrillions of deaths?

I doubt it would have been destroyed. Thanos probably would have found it among the wreckage.

And that can go back to any of them. Are the other Asgardians to blame for giving the Collector a stone? Are the Guardians to blame for leaving a stone on a planet with a decimated defense force?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on July 14, 2018, 06:59:18 PM
Gamora is not toast. There are theories that she is inside the soul stone. Out of everyone that died Gamora is the only one that is coming back for sure.

Ugh, I hope not. I hope every pre-snap stays dead.

There was a ton of weight to her death. To undo it would seem cheap.

I'm sure you're right though.

I agree. It was such an emotional and unexpected scene that it should totally stay that way, same with Loki’s death, there’s no reason to bring him back.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 07:01:59 PM
I feel like the only pre-snap death that they really did set up to bring back was Vision, with the whole surgery thing.

But if only Asgardians died, it'll be pretty cheap.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on July 14, 2018, 07:13:55 PM
I don't know if this has been discussed, but after rewatching Ragnorok, I have go wonder: what would've happened had Loki left the Tesseract on Asgard? Would there have been no Infinity War, and ergo, is Loki somehow responsible for quadrillions of deaths?

I think in order to destroy an Inifity Stone you need an equal or similar power. Thor tried to destroy the reality Stone on Dark Worlds. Scarlet witch can destroy it because her power comes from the stones.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 07:46:07 PM
Anyone else watching Cloak and Dagger?

I'm really digging it.

However, I keep hoping they mention Daniel or Jericho Drumm. Seems like a missed opportunity, but such is life.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on July 14, 2018, 08:38:18 PM
Anyone else watching Cloak and Dagger?

I'm really digging it.

It's really good! Been watching every week since it started.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 08:42:51 PM
They changed them a whole lot from the comics, but I'm really liking the changes and think they work great.

I've heard rumors of a Cloak & Dagger and Runaways crossover. That would be pretty cool. Also happened in the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 14, 2018, 10:07:22 PM
Really enjoyed Ant-man and the Wasp. Very funny stuff, easy watch, really fun Marvel flick after Infinity War. I enjoyed it more than the first film, I think, although there's so much that just doesn't make sense to me (what's with the certain female character using her fingers like ET on Ghost's head near the end?). Luis was hilarious.

Post-credits scene was very cool, I was wondering when the 'moment' would be shown and it wasn't who I expected, so having Scott trapped there really gets me excited for whatever the MCU has lined up next. Infinity War 2, Spider-man sequel, and Captain Marvel... anything else announced yet?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 10:09:03 PM
Really enjoyed Ant-man and the Wasp. Very funny stuff, easy watch, really fun Marvel flick after Infinity War. I enjoyed it more than the first film, I think, although there's so much that just doesn't make sense to me (what's with the certain female character using her fingers like ET on Ghost's head near the end?). Luis was hilarious.

Post-credits scene was very cool, I was wondering when the 'moment' would be shown and it wasn't who I expected, so having Scott trapped there really gets me excited for whatever the MCU has lined up next. Infinity War 2, Spider-man sequel, and Captain Marvel... anything else announced yet?

Guardians Vol. 3.

I think that's it for officially announced.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 14, 2018, 10:10:53 PM
Really enjoyed Ant-man and the Wasp. Very funny stuff, easy watch, really fun Marvel flick after Infinity War. I enjoyed it more than the first film, I think, although there's so much that just doesn't make sense to me (what's with the certain female character using her fingers like ET on Ghost's head near the end?). Luis was hilarious.

Post-credits scene was very cool, I was wondering when the 'moment' would be shown and it wasn't who I expected, so having Scott trapped there really gets me excited for whatever the MCU has lined up next. Infinity War 2, Spider-man sequel, and Captain Marvel... anything else announced yet?

Guardians Vol. 3.

I think that's it for officially announced.

Officially announced as in release date and everything?!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 10:14:33 PM
James Gunn confirmed a 2020 release, but no specific date.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 14, 2018, 10:17:55 PM
Oh, darn. I was hoping more details came out. Oh well, I'm plenty stoked for next year's films, so bring it on :2metal:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on July 14, 2018, 11:16:37 PM
Really enjoyed Ant-man and the Wasp. Very funny stuff, easy watch, really fun Marvel flick after Infinity War. I enjoyed it more than the first film, I think, although there's so much that just doesn't make sense to me (what's with the certain female character using her fingers like ET on Ghost's head near the end?). Luis was hilarious.

Post-credits scene was very cool, I was wondering when the 'moment' would be shown and it wasn't who I expected, so having Scott trapped there really gets me excited for whatever the MCU has lined up next. Infinity War 2, Spider-man sequel, and Captain Marvel... anything else announced yet?

She explained that she had been changed....maybe even evolved while she was in the quantum realm.   That's also why Scott was going back into the quantum realm...to retrieve more of this "healing element" or whatever that had changed her.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 14, 2018, 11:34:41 PM
Really enjoyed Ant-man and the Wasp. Very funny stuff, easy watch, really fun Marvel flick after Infinity War. I enjoyed it more than the first film, I think, although there's so much that just doesn't make sense to me (what's with the certain female character using her fingers like ET on Ghost's head near the end?). Luis was hilarious.

Post-credits scene was very cool, I was wondering when the 'moment' would be shown and it wasn't who I expected, so having Scott trapped there really gets me excited for whatever the MCU has lined up next. Infinity War 2, Spider-man sequel, and Captain Marvel... anything else announced yet?

She explained that she had been changed....maybe even evolved while she was in the quantum realm.   That's also why Scott was going back into the quantum realm...to retrieve more of this "healing element" or whatever that had changed her.

Ehh. Kind of a lame explanation but I'll roll with it. Just didn't have any reason to care about her even if she does have superpowers now, really. In fact, I didn't care much about any of the characters here, but it was still very entertaining.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: masterthes on July 15, 2018, 02:48:27 AM
They went into the quantum realm for Ghost. I guess that thing Janet did wasn't permanent. They were pretty much just looking for an excuse to save him from the snap, and also to give him new powers going into IW2
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on July 15, 2018, 05:39:51 PM
I could've
Infinity War 2, Spider-man sequel, and Captain Marvel... anything else announced yet?
I think apart from GOTG 3, a second Black Panther and Doctor Strange movie are in the mix. Though I think officially nothing has been announced or confirmed. I imagine they will all get confirmed once Infinity Wars 2 comes out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ZirconBlue on July 15, 2018, 06:34:37 PM
I could've
Infinity War 2, Spider-man sequel, and Captain Marvel... anything else announced yet?
I think apart from GOTG 3, a second Black Panther and Doctor Strange movie are in the mix. Though I think officially nothing has been announced or confirmed. I imagine they will all get confirmed once Infinity Wars 2 comes out.


Also, they've hired a writer and director for a Black Widow movie.



Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on July 16, 2018, 09:26:17 AM
So...Ant Man and the Wasp...

I liked it better than the first one.  But I didn't love the first one.  I don't love this one either.  But ultimately, that's okay.  I saw this quote in the comments section on an article, and it's kinda on point:

Quote
We got so used to a long line of homeruns that this movie only being an infield double is freaking people out.

I didn't need this movie to get great.  And that's good, because it wasn't.  But it was enjoyable.  And since Scott was just kind of an average guy, it was kind of refreshing to see Wasp overshadow Ant Man when they were both suited up. 

The movie sort of went off the rails with all the pseudo-sciency stuff.  But then again, it also seemed to be self-aware and make fun of itself for that too, and in a way that actually helped and didn't do a disservice to the film.  It also seemed to try to be self-deprecating to the superhero genre and to make fun of superhero film tropes, but I felt like it was less successful in that area.  For instance, when we learn Ghost's whole backstory through the stereotypical villain monologue while the heroes are tied up and helpless, it didn't seem like the movie was successfully subverting superhero film tropes.  It felt like it was falling prey to them. 

Overall, it was a fine film.  I wasn't wowed.  But I wasn't expecting to be. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on July 16, 2018, 04:38:46 PM
I agree with Bosk and add that it was a nice, light-hearted “palate cleanser” after the much heavier Infinity War. And because of that, the timing of its release is perfect. Now we get to have a (most likely) slightly more serious (but still fun) “flashback movie” to get familiar with the Captain Marvel character right before she kicks ass and takes names in IW2
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 16, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
Yeah, I agree with what bosk said too. I think that quote is spot on, too. It's not one of my favorite Marvel films by any means but it's a solid one and probably upper mid tier to me. I enjoyed it a lot more than Black Panther, at least, in no small part because of all the humor. When Luis started giving his longwinded story and the music started, that alone made me laugh, because I knew exactly what was coming. The fight scenes were really cool too - Ghost's phasing and Wasp's small-big switches made for fun combat.

I'm really excited for Captain Marvel, and then we get Infinity War's wrap just a couple months later. :2metal:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on July 17, 2018, 05:27:34 AM
I enjoyed it a lot more than Black Panther, at least, in no small part because of all the humor.

I feel the same way. At least for me, Black Phanter was not as great as people made it out to be. It wasn’t as memorable as some of the other movies.

On a sepaprate note: I don’t have high hopes for the Venom movie coming out in the fall.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 17, 2018, 07:15:50 AM
I enjoyed it a lot more than Black Panther, at least, in no small part because of all the humor.

I feel the same way. At least for me, Black Phanter was not as great as people made it out to be. It wasn’t as memorable as some of the other movies.

On a sepaprate note: I don’t have high hopes for the Venom movie coming out in the fall.

Not to sound like a hater, but Black Panther really wasn't that great. It was visually stunning with some great fight scenes (the waterfall combat scenes were awesome), but I thought the villain sucked, the 'what are those' joke is the most cringe-inducing joke in the MCU, and yeah, I just didn't find it very memorable, in part because of its tone - it takes itself too seriously at times, not unlike the first two Thors. Not a bad film but there are way better MCU films.

Chalk me up as another who isn't excited for Venom. So far I think Venom himself looks cool but that's quite honestly the only good thing I have to say about it right now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on July 17, 2018, 07:24:57 AM
I've been watching Daredevil (Season 1, halfway through Season 2) and have been loving it.  I don't have any interest in Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, or Iron Fist, but I will watch The Punisher, once I finish season 2 of Daredevil.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on July 17, 2018, 07:46:22 AM
I liked Black Panther.  I would probably put it in the middle or lower middle.  It had some really good stuff going for it.  But it just wasn't "great" either. 

I really enjoyed DD season 1.  Season 2 was good too, but I liked season 1 better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on July 17, 2018, 11:35:28 AM
DD season 1 and Punisher are the two most amazing things in the Marvel Netflix universe :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on July 17, 2018, 02:41:07 PM
Daredevil S1 and Jessica Jones S1 are still definitely my two favorites. There's been so much bloat in a lot of the other stuff, but it just comes down to how much you like the excess padding for that particular show/season.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on July 20, 2018, 05:45:55 AM
Pitch meeting -Iron Man.  Pretty aacurate

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BlNoCDp8oPM
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 20, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
Woah. James Gunn fired from Marvel over old offensive tweets that some Trump supporters looked up and made widely known, after he attacked Trump on Twitter or something.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-gunn-exits-guardians-galaxy-vol-3-1128786
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 20, 2018, 02:24:41 PM
JFC. People are so f'ing vindictive these days.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 20, 2018, 02:28:08 PM
JFC. People are so f'ing vindictive these days.

His tweets, which I saw, were pretty insanely over the top. He made them like 6+ years ago however. Guess people aren't allowed to learn from their mistakes.

I can see Marvel's perspective. It's gonna be a huge storm coming down on Gunn soon, so I can see Marvel not wanting to take the risk, but these tweets really didn't need to be dug up. I guess people just love to hurt other people who don't agree with them.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 20, 2018, 02:30:04 PM
JFC. People are so f'ing vindictive these days.

His tweets, which I saw, were pretty insanely over the top. He made them like 6+ years ago however. Guess people aren't allowed to learn from their mistakes.

Right, I'm not endorsing those tweets, but it's not like he made them over the weekend or even last year. That's just lovely.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ozzy554 on July 21, 2018, 12:03:48 PM
Who would've thought that a guy who got his start in troma would have a fucked up sense of humor.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2018, 12:14:46 PM
Who would've thought that a guy who got his start in troma would have a fucked up sense of humor.

Sadly "I was just joking" isn't a get out of jail free card.

Gunn released a really good statement, saying he understood and respected Marvel's decision. As do I. They're owned by Disney. They really have no choice but to distance themselves from a dude who is in the news because of tweets about raping kids or whatever.

He'll be fine. He'll lay low for a little bit and then come back. He's handling it all really well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on July 21, 2018, 02:16:56 PM
He'll be fine. He'll lay low for a little bit and then come back. He's handling it all really well.

Indeed. I'm more concerned about the GOTG franchise moving forward, whoever takes the director's role for Vol. 3 will be under a lot of pressure for replacing Gunn. Also, I assume his brother is out of the GOTG films as well? Not directly because of him, but I assume he would leave as a way of supporting his brother.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 21, 2018, 02:20:28 PM
He'll be fine. He'll lay low for a little bit and then come back. He's handling it all really well.

Indeed. I'm more concerned about the GOTG franchise moving forward, whoever takes the director's role for Vol. 3 will be under a lot of pressure for replacing Gunn. Also, I assume his brother is out of the GOTG films as well? Not directly because of him, but I assume he would leave as a way of supporting his brother.

I mean, possibly. It's not like James is pissed at Marvel about all of this (at least publicly). Maybe he's cool with his bro in it. Or maybe that character just isn't necessary and someone else plays Rocket, which is easy.

I'm less worried about GOTG Vol 3, because I think someone else needed to take over anyway, but Gunn was tasked with expanding and spear heading the galactic Marvel universe, which now has to be totally rethought, and that might be a huge deal.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on July 21, 2018, 02:35:30 PM
(https://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/disneyhypocrite_zpsau3ol3nk.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Accelerando on July 21, 2018, 03:11:21 PM
None of those had anything to do with having their "silly place" being touched by a young boy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on July 22, 2018, 09:23:53 AM
None of those had anything to do with having their "silly place" being touched by a young boy.

The point of the image is to point out the hypocrisy with respect to offensive things related to Disney. Off color jokes aren't okay but their fairly racist depictions of other ethnic groups are acceptable? Makes you wonder.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on July 22, 2018, 11:28:05 AM
Doesn't Bob Saget make more vulgar jokes?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on July 22, 2018, 11:03:22 PM
3 movies into my MCU re-watch marathon in preparation for Avengers 4.   Trying to do one movie every 2 or 3 weeks. 

I started by putting First Avenger at the beginning, then Iron Man, and tonight it was The Incredible Hulk. 

Honestly, it was the lame villain that really brought it down.  But everything else about the movie was a ton of fun.   Norton was better than I remember.   Liv Tyler.....wasn’t.     The ending battle feels A LOT like a classic Godzilla showdown, and not necessarily in a bad way if you’re just watching for the fun of it.  It was a nice nod to have Bill Bixby on TV in the beginning and Lou as the security guard. 

Mostly, I was just thinking that, even at its worst, the MCU is still a lot of fun, and if nothing else it’s a great popcorn flick with several nods to the rest of the universe.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 27, 2018, 09:20:45 PM
So the FOX and Disney shareholders have voted to approve the merger now that Comcast has bowed out.


I dunno what the next step is. When is this thing considered a done deal?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 30, 2018, 12:46:23 PM
Finally today I'll watch Infinity War  :loser:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ozzy554 on July 30, 2018, 02:15:50 PM
Well the Entire cast of GOTG just came out in support of James Gunn. I'm curious to see where this goes. Gunn is one of my favorite directors and even if Disney chooses to not reinstate him I hope he still has a successful career.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: kaos2900 on July 31, 2018, 07:28:33 AM
I bet they bring him back (and they should).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on July 31, 2018, 07:05:45 PM
Watching the extras of Infinity War. 1 hour plus of magic. A must see.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on July 31, 2018, 07:30:28 PM
The roundtable discussion with the Marvel directors is outstanding
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 31, 2018, 07:34:22 PM
Like a turd...in the wind.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on July 31, 2018, 08:03:46 PM
Like a turd...in the wind.

????????????
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 31, 2018, 08:13:06 PM
Like a turd...in the wind.

????????????


Exactly.





Oh, it wasn't any kind of response to you. It's a line from the new Venom trailer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on July 31, 2018, 08:21:16 PM
gotcha.

All I was saying is the roundtable discussion by the directors is fascinating. it shows how much is put into the movies with so many different visions that come together. I am a film geek and love the behind the scenes shit. this stuff here is incredible
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on July 31, 2018, 08:25:03 PM
gotcha.

All I was saying is the roundtable discussion by the directors is fascinating. it shows how much is put into the movies with so many different visions that come together. I am a film geek and love the behind the scenes shit. this stuff here is incredible

Totally. I'm gonna wait till I pick up the blu ray in a few weeks but I plan on watching all of that stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on July 31, 2018, 08:29:07 PM
well worth the watch dude
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on August 01, 2018, 05:45:50 AM
gotcha.

All I was saying is the roundtable discussion by the directors is fascinating. it shows how much is put into the movies with so many different visions that come together. I am a film geek and love the behind the scenes shit. this stuff here is incredible

Totally. I'm gonna wait till I pick up the blu ray in a few weeks but I plan on watching all of that stuff.

+1
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on August 01, 2018, 08:37:56 AM
Listening to the various directors and the way the Russo's put IW together is just brilliant
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on August 13, 2018, 12:05:43 PM
Darryl survived!  https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/thors-roommate-darryl-survived-the-snap-of-avengers-infinity-war/  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on August 15, 2018, 06:24:52 AM
Finally watched Infinity War after 3 and a half months of waiting.  Absolutely incredible - I never felt like I was yearning for more screen time from some characters.  They balanced 64 characters so well. 

I find myself splitting the deaths between characters that Thanos actually killed and characters that he erased with his snap.  The ones from the snap I can see coming back somehow, but I hope Marvel doesn't erase the deaths that occurred prior to the snap. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2018, 02:19:43 AM
Finally watched Infinity War after 3 and a half months of waiting.  Absolutely incredible - I never felt like I was yearning for more screen time from some characters.  They balanced 64 characters so well. 

I find myself splitting the deaths between characters that Thanos actually killed and characters that he erased with his snap.  The ones from the snap I can see coming back somehow, but I hope Marvel doesn't erase the deaths that occurred prior to the snap. 
I know it would enrage Adami, but I'd be fine with Gamora being brought back from the soul stone and potentially with something clever being done with Vision. Other pre-snap deaths feel like they need to stay though. As much as I love Loki, if his death is yet another trick then that would just be so cheap.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on August 16, 2018, 06:17:19 AM
Finally watched Infinity War after 3 and a half months of waiting.  Absolutely incredible - I never felt like I was yearning for more screen time from some characters.  They balanced 64 characters so well. 

I find myself splitting the deaths between characters that Thanos actually killed and characters that he erased with his snap.  The ones from the snap I can see coming back somehow, but I hope Marvel doesn't erase the deaths that occurred prior to the snap. 
I know it would enrage Adami, but I'd be fine with Gamora being brought back from the soul stone and potentially with something clever being done with Vision. Other pre-snap deaths feel like they need to stay though. As much as I love Loki, if his death is yet another trick then that would just be so cheap.

I can see those two changes, but I don't want them to undo everything.  This movie felt like it had a real threat - an opponent that truly kicked the Avengers' asses, and losing Loki and Heimdall gave the movie some actual gravitas.  If they resurrect them, then it would take away from that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on August 16, 2018, 06:24:45 AM
Finally watched Infinity War after 3 and a half months of waiting.  Absolutely incredible - I never felt like I was yearning for more screen time from some characters.  They balanced 64 characters so well. 

I find myself splitting the deaths between characters that Thanos actually killed and characters that he erased with his snap.  The ones from the snap I can see coming back somehow, but I hope Marvel doesn't erase the deaths that occurred prior to the snap. 
I know it would enrage Adami, but I'd be fine with Gamora being brought back from the soul stone and potentially with something clever being done with Vision. Other pre-snap deaths feel like they need to stay though. As much as I love Loki, if his death is yet another trick then that would just be so cheap.

It wouldn't enrage me. Heimdal and Loki would piss me off a bit.

Vision I can see coming back since they spent so much time on the story line about him living without the stone.

As far as Gamora goes, it's pretty obvious she'll be fine, sadly. I think it'd be better if, while saving everyone else, they realize that the only way for the plan to work is for Gamora to stay....voluntarily....in the Soul Stone. As if her leaving would somehow undo the hero's plan. So Starlord and Co have to sacrifice Gamora to save everyone else. I doubt they'll do that, but it would really be cool.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on August 16, 2018, 08:39:41 PM
As far as Gamora goes, it's pretty obvious she'll be fine, sadly. I think it'd be better if, while saving everyone else, they realize that the only way for the plan to work is for Gamora to stay....voluntarily....in the Soul Stone. As if her leaving would somehow undo the hero's plan. So Starlord and Co have to sacrifice Gamora to save everyone else. I doubt they'll do that, but it would really be cool.

I’m with you on this one. Infinity war was a lot about choices and sacrifices and the only one who actually sacrificed anything was Thanos. Unless the upcoming movies do not follow a linear timeline, we know for sure Spider-Man, All Guardians, Black Panther and Doctor strange are coming back. Spider-Man is the only movie that we know takes place after infinity war. The others we know they are coming but we don’t know anything about the plot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 17, 2018, 12:00:28 AM
Does anyone know if Edward norton was at all offered a role in the Avengers as hulk, or did they just go strait to auditioning someone else?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on August 17, 2018, 05:14:37 AM
Does anyone know if Edward norton was at all offered a role in the Avengers as hulk, or did they just go strait to auditioning someone else?

According to Marvel, they didn’t want him because of his work ethic. In 2014 or so(before Age of Ultron came out) Edward Norton said he didn’t want to be connected to just one character and that these movies would interfere with what he wanted to do with his career.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2018, 08:13:39 PM
Finally got around to finishing Cloak and Dagger.

I really really liked it. Surprisingly great show. And, as far as I know, the only non-Netflix Marvel entity to acknowledge the existence of the Netflix shows.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on August 21, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
Finally got around to finishing Cloak and Dagger.

I really really liked it. Surprisingly great show. And, as far as I know, the only non-Netflix Marvel entity to acknowledge the existence of the Netflix shows.

It was very good! Looking forward to season 2. And, yes, we finally got some cross references between Marvel TV shows, but I expected at least a small crossover with the Runaways, though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2018, 08:56:33 PM
Finally got around to finishing Cloak and Dagger.

I really really liked it. Surprisingly great show. And, as far as I know, the only non-Netflix Marvel entity to acknowledge the existence of the Netflix shows.

It was very good! Looking forward to season 2. And, yes, we finally got some cross references between Marvel TV shows, but I expected at least a small crossover with the Runaways, though.

Soon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on August 21, 2018, 10:11:22 PM
Really, it recognized the Netflix shows? I got to about ep3 and petered out on it, but I may have to muscle through on it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on August 21, 2018, 10:16:14 PM
Really, it recognized the Netflix shows? I got to about ep3 and petered out on it, but I may have to muscle through on it.

O'Reilly references Misty from Luke Cage and viceversa.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2018, 10:17:22 PM
Really, it recognized the Netflix shows? I got to about ep3 and petered out on it, but I may have to muscle through on it.

O'Reilly references Misty from Luke Cage and viceversa.

The Rands are also mentioned.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on August 21, 2018, 11:49:54 PM
Really, it recognized the Netflix shows? I got to about ep3 and petered out on it, but I may have to muscle through on it.

O'Reilly references Misty from Luke Cage and viceversa.

The Rands are also mentioned.
I liked that moment, referencing both the Starks and the Rands. I do like the fact that this show is happy to very overtly reference other parts of the MCU. Overall it's a very solid show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on August 23, 2018, 02:30:42 PM
God damn Infinity War had me crying like a woman watching The Notebook.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on August 23, 2018, 10:37:00 PM
God damn Infinity War had me crying like a woman watching The Notebook.

 :lol

When I saw it opening night, it was in a theater that served drinks, and there was one rambunctious group of young men who had a few and were vocally enjoying the movie (as we all were, it was a great atmosphere). Anyhoo, at the end, right after Spidey dissipated, I hear from the dudes "are you crying dude?". It was f'in hysterical. Even better was the dude next to my who asked incredulously "they lost?!?!?!!".

I won't deny squeezing out a manly tear or two myself, they did it so well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on August 24, 2018, 05:21:31 AM
Opening night theatre cannot be beat.  When Thor came in to the Wakanda battle... holy fuck did the theatre pop.  I mean, there were lots of cheers and claps etc... for a lot of things, but the whole place went ape-shit for that.

Blu-ray watching with jingle.son tonight.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on August 24, 2018, 05:32:49 AM
I really wish I could have seen Infinity War opening weekend. I was on vacation so I didn't see it for almost three weeks after it came out in a mostly empty theater. It was still great though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Indiscipline on August 24, 2018, 05:40:58 AM
I watched it inside a full theatre, but right at the end everybody around me turned to dust.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on August 24, 2018, 06:15:43 AM
I watched it inside a full theatre, but right at the end everybody around me turned to dust.
How rude of them. Those poor theater workers had to clean up all their mess. They should really be more considerate.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on August 24, 2018, 07:17:14 AM
I rarely go to the theater but it's worth it for events like Infinity War or The Dark Knight on opening night/midnight showing.

Picked up the IW Blu-ray yesterday, will watch it and the behind the scenes this weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on August 24, 2018, 07:58:37 AM
I watched it inside a full theatre, but right at the end everybody around me turned to dust.
How rude of them. Those poor theater workers had to clean up all their mess. They should really be more considerate.
Totally.  They should have at least put their dust in the corral where it belongs.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on August 24, 2018, 09:35:06 AM
That happened to me, too, except only half the people disappeared.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on August 24, 2018, 01:35:26 PM
I went both the Thursday and Friday night of opening weekend, awesome both times.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on August 24, 2018, 04:39:09 PM
God damn Infinity War had me crying like a woman watching The Notebook.

 :lol

When I saw it opening night, it was in a theater that served drinks, and there was one rambunctious group of young men who had a few and were vocally enjoying the movie (as we all were, it was a great atmosphere). Anyhoo, at the end, right after Spidey dissipated, I hear from the dudes "are you crying dude?". It was f'in hysterical. Even better was the dude next to my who asked incredulously "they lost?!?!?!!".

I won't deny squeezing out a manly tear or two myself, they did it so well.

Gamora's death hit pretty hard, but I was tearing up for both her AND Thanos. The beautiful score didn't help anything. My fiancé thought this movie was boring (not enough action?), much like with Interstellar, and that movie got me a few times as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on August 28, 2018, 03:15:51 PM
(https://imgur.com/B4R1AOp.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on August 29, 2018, 08:10:28 PM
So I rented Deadpool 2 and watched it a couple times while being a lazy fuck, and not sure if anyone else noticed this, but in the climactic fight with Juggernaut, the epic operatic music in the background has the choir repeating "oh holy....o holy shitballs...o fuck...o fucking shitballs"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on August 29, 2018, 09:03:40 PM
I didn't!  :lol

Well,  since I own it....

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on August 30, 2018, 10:16:10 AM
When I finally noticed I giggled like a 3rd grader through the rest of the film. I'm sure there's a shit ton more stuff hidden in it....
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on August 30, 2018, 10:27:18 AM
That's hilarious. Reminds me of the scene in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back when Jay thinks his girlfriend blew up in the van, and the epic choir in the background is dramatically singing, "JUSTICE IS DEAD... OR SO JAY THINKS!"  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on August 30, 2018, 11:37:32 AM
Of course it was on YouTube...

https://youtu.be/u0pt-hONuSA (https://youtu.be/u0pt-hONuSA)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 30, 2018, 12:41:45 PM
So I rented Deadpool 2 and watched it a couple times while being a lazy fuck, and not sure if anyone else noticed this, but in the climactic fight with Juggernaut, the epic operatic music in the background has the choir repeating "oh holy....o holy shitballs...o fuck...o fucking shitballs"

That part was awesome. Took me a couple seconds for my ears to pick up on what was being said  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 30, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
So I rented Deadpool 2 and watched it a couple times while being a lazy fuck, and not sure if anyone else noticed this, but in the climactic fight with Juggernaut, the epic operatic music in the background has the choir repeating "oh holy....o holy shitballs...o fuck...o fucking shitballs"


They replay that music at the end of the closing credits, as well.  It's a lot easier to hear what they're saying without all the other sounds going on.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on August 30, 2018, 04:41:28 PM
Just got an Iron First recc'n from Netflix in my Inbox - September 7th.  Shit, I still haven't watch S2 of Luke Cage!  jingle.son and I just finished Agents of Shield a couple weeks back.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on August 30, 2018, 05:35:10 PM
Just got an Iron First recc'n from Netflix in my Inbox - September 7th.  Shit, I still haven't watch S2 of Luke Cage!  jingle.son and I just finished Agents of Shield a couple weeks back.

Couple days of neglecting life will rectify that...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on August 30, 2018, 05:41:16 PM
Just got an Iron First recc'n from Netflix in my Inbox - September 7th.  Shit, I still haven't watch S2 of Luke Cage!  jingle.son and I just finished Agents of Shield a couple weeks back.

I can't tell what the general consensus is on LC season 2, but I really really loved it. A lot. But, it's very slow and character driven. There isn't a ton of action. I feel like a good amount of people may have disliked it because it came right off one of the big Marvel movies and people were hoping for a lot of fast, action, adrenaline stuff. If you want great character arcs though, you'll love it.
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Post by: gzarruk on August 30, 2018, 06:28:19 PM
Just got an Iron First recc'n from Netflix in my Inbox - September 7th.  Shit, I still haven't watch S2 of Luke Cage!  jingle.son and I just finished Agents of Shield a couple weeks back.

I can't tell what the general consensus is on LC season 2, but I really really loved it. A lot. But, it's very slow and character driven. There isn't a ton of action. I feel like a good amount of people may have disliked it because it came right off one of the big Marvel movies and people were hoping for a lot of fast, action, adrenaline stuff. If you want great character arcs though, you'll love it.

I was waaaaaaay late to the LC S2 party (just finished it last week), but I liked it much much more than S1. Don't know how I feel about the ending, though (should I post spoilers?).

Anyway, really looking forward to IF season 2 :metal
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Post by: Adami on August 30, 2018, 06:31:05 PM
Just got an Iron First recc'n from Netflix in my Inbox - September 7th.  Shit, I still haven't watch S2 of Luke Cage!  jingle.son and I just finished Agents of Shield a couple weeks back.

I can't tell what the general consensus is on LC season 2, but I really really loved it. A lot. But, it's very slow and character driven. There isn't a ton of action. I feel like a good amount of people may have disliked it because it came right off one of the big Marvel movies and people were hoping for a lot of fast, action, adrenaline stuff. If you want great character arcs though, you'll love it.

I was waaaaaaay late to the LC S2 party (just finished it last week), but I liked it much much more than S1. Don't know how I feel about the ending, though (should I post spoilers?).

Anyway, really looking forward to IF season 2 :metal

I totally agree on the ending.

Also, the fact that I'm also excited for IF season 2 is 100% due to Luke Cage season 2.
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Post by: lonestar on August 31, 2018, 09:23:42 PM
Agreed, it seems they did a revamp on Danny's character from his cameo episode in LC S2, so hopefully the second season will be a vast improvement.
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Post by: Adami on August 31, 2018, 09:33:43 PM
Indeed. I admit I haven't read much Iron Fist comics, but I've read a ton of comics where he is there, and he's always sort of a pretty fun, often goofy guy who knows when to be serious. That's why I was surprised that the Netflix version was so serious and broody all the time.

Kind of the opposite with Drax. Very serious character in the comics turned into a (very funny) one note joke character.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 01, 2018, 04:13:47 AM
Some instances of Comic-Drax have him as a complete doofus, but not funny.  I like how Marvel Studios made his imbecilic nature more comedic.
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Post by: The Walrus on September 02, 2018, 03:40:22 PM
So I'm on my umpteenth viewing. I gotta say, my biggest gripe - and it's a very minor one at that - is that there is no backstory on the Black Order. I get it, you can only cram so much into one film, and hindsight is 20/20. But, in hindsight (can't stress that enough, because this isn't really a dig at the film), I would've loved to see just a taste of them in a couple past films like they did Thanos. I know they probably didn't have the designs worked out and how they were going to be used in the film, though, if at all. Ebony Maw is such a cool villain to me and I'm sad every time I watch that he gets taken out so early instead of Cull Obsidian and co.

Which leads me to a couple questions - forgive me if I've asked before. Why was Cull Obsidian renamed to Black Dwarf? I don't believe any of the Order are mentioned by name in the film anyway, except when Thanos asks about "The Maw." An odd choice, especially for a character whose name is never mentioned and who has absolutely zero backstory or spoken lines.
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Post by: kaos2900 on September 04, 2018, 10:51:57 AM
So I'm on my umpteenth viewing. I gotta say, my biggest gripe - and it's a very minor one at that - is that there is no backstory on the Black Order. I get it, you can only cram so much into one film, and hindsight is 20/20. But, in hindsight (can't stress that enough, because this isn't really a dig at the film), I would've loved to see just a taste of them in a couple past films like they did Thanos. I know they probably didn't have the designs worked out and how they were going to be used in the film, though, if at all. Ebony Maw is such a cool villain to me and I'm sad every time I watch that he gets taken out so early instead of Cull Obsidian and co.

Which leads me to a couple questions - forgive me if I've asked before. Why was Cull Obsidian renamed to Black Dwarf? I don't believe any of the Order are mentioned by name in the film anyway, except when Thanos asks about "The Maw." An odd choice, especially for a character whose name is never mentioned and who has absolutely zero backstory or spoken lines.

I agree. I said the same thing about Ebony Maw getting killed "early" in the film.

Does anyone have any interest in Guardians 3 if Drax isn't played by Bautista? I don't.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 04, 2018, 10:58:18 AM
I'm not sure I have interest in Guardians 3 anyway.  I am in "wait and see" mode.  But it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Bautista specifically.  I just didn't think 2 was very good.  It had good moments, and I think what they were going for overall was pretty cool.  And it definitely had some overarching impact on Infinity War and the MCU as a whole.  But I felt the overall execution was lacking, and I Gunn's juvenile humor began to wear out its welcome. 

I was fine with Maw getting killed early in the film.  Yeah, he was pretty cool.  But that's life.  And it was somewhat poetic that such an overpowered character got taken out by the literal new kid on the block.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 04, 2018, 12:03:18 PM
Different tangent:  Now that the kids are older, we are letting them watch Agents of SHIELD, so we started season 1 a little while back and are now coming to the finale.  It's fun seeing it now in hindsight with where we are now, both in terms of that show and the MCU as a whole.  Season 1 was kind of all over the place, especially in the first half.  But there is a lot of cool stuff going on as well. 

They do a nice job setting up the Inhumans and Daisey's future role in that as a human 084.  The Colson TAHITI storyline is pretty cool.  And they also lay a solid foundation for Hydra as well.  And the intrigue toward the end of the season with them setting up that a member of the team might be a traitor and possibly even the Clairvoyant works well at this early stage when we don't yet know the team really well.

Looking back, it seems like they may have initially intended to do more with Deathlok than they did.  He had a storyline that meandered in and out a few times, and it was a cool one.  But I think it could have been better and had a better payoff than what I recall. 
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Post by: Orbert on September 04, 2018, 12:25:48 PM
Agents of SHIELD was a little shaky as first, but I thought it had a lot of potential, so I stuck with it.  I'm glad I did because it starts getting really solid a couple seasons in.  Actually, by the end of the first season, they'd gotten pretty consistently good, but they start going next-level once we reach the point where the characters are all established and they can mess with them a bit.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on September 04, 2018, 12:26:56 PM
Does anyone have any interest in Guardians 3 if Drax isn't played by Bautista? I don't.

I really don't care if he never plays Drax anymore, as long as Vol. 3 is good. My only issue would be recasting Drax, I'd rather have them kill him on Avengers 4 than having someone else suddenly playing the same character. The way he's written, it wouldn't be the same without Dave, imo.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 04, 2018, 12:35:37 PM
Does anyone have any interest in Guardians 3 if Drax isn't played by Bautista? I don't.

I really don't care if he never plays Drax anymore, as long as Vol. 3 is good. My only issue would be recasting Drax, I'd rather have them kill him on Avengers 4 than having someone else suddenly playing the same character. The way he's written, it wouldn't be the same without Dave, imo.

Yeah, I mostly agree with that too.  But I will say that, as much as I hate recasting, I wouldn't necessarily write off vol. 3 just because of a re-casting.  I think they managed to get huge upgrades when re-casting Rhodey and Banner, so I wouldn't necessarily just assume a new Drax wouldn't work.  I don't want a new Drax, but I'm not going to foreclose the possibility of it working.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 04, 2018, 12:48:21 PM
Well, Drax is killed an reincarnated in the comics, so there's that option, with a subtle re-cast.  He's had some mildly different looks as well, so I'd be fine with the character being re-cast with a new actor.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on September 04, 2018, 01:40:56 PM
So I'm on my umpteenth viewing. I gotta say, my biggest gripe - and it's a very minor one at that - is that there is no backstory on the Black Order. I get it, you can only cram so much into one film, and hindsight is 20/20. But, in hindsight (can't stress that enough, because this isn't really a dig at the film), I would've loved to see just a taste of them in a couple past films like they did Thanos. I know they probably didn't have the designs worked out and how they were going to be used in the film, though, if at all. Ebony Maw is such a cool villain to me and I'm sad every time I watch that he gets taken out so early instead of Cull Obsidian and co.

Which leads me to a couple questions - forgive me if I've asked before. Why was Cull Obsidian renamed to Black Dwarf? I don't believe any of the Order are mentioned by name in the film anyway, except when Thanos asks about "The Maw." An odd choice, especially for a character whose name is never mentioned and who has absolutely zero backstory or spoken lines.

I did see one fan theory where the big one is wearing a waist sash with Captain Marvel's colors in the opening fight scene, so maybe we'll get some semblance of a back story in her movie.
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Post by: Adami on September 05, 2018, 10:29:19 AM
Our first official picture of Captain Marvel! Looks great.

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Post by: bosk1 on September 05, 2018, 11:51:57 AM
I'm much less compelled by the "look," which is what it is, than the other details shared about the film in the article itself.
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Post by: Adami on September 05, 2018, 12:23:53 PM
I'm much less compelled by the "look," which is what it is, than the other details shared about the film in the article itself.

Buzzkill.

The article didn't seem like it gave a ton away. She'll start the movie off already with her powers and leaving earth to joining a team called Star Force (I think) with Jude Law and others and then will return to earth and I guess we'll get some flash backs.

Other pics released include young Fury and Skrulls.

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Post by: jingle.boy on September 05, 2018, 12:43:32 PM
And apparently Ronan the Accuser.
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Post by: Adami on September 05, 2018, 12:45:05 PM
And apparently Ronan the Accuser.

Yup! And if you look, Korath is also with the team as well.

I hope we get better versions of both than they gave us in Gaurdians. That version was Ronan was pathetic and awful.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 05, 2018, 01:01:17 PM
I hope we get better versions of both than they gave us in Gaurdians. That version was Ronan was pathetic and awful.

No way.  Ronan was great.
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Post by: Adami on September 05, 2018, 01:05:11 PM
I hope we get better versions of both than they gave us in Gaurdians. That version was Ronan was pathetic and awful.

No way.  Ronan was great.

As a therapist, I’m now quite concerned for you. Do you wanna talk about it?
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Post by: gzarruk on September 05, 2018, 04:08:38 PM
Our first official picture of Captain Marvel! Looks great.

(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F09%2Few-1527_1273787832783832.jpg&w=1100&q=85)

Looks great, indeed! Really looking forward to this movie.
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Post by: Architeuthis on September 06, 2018, 02:06:20 AM
Quote from: bosk1 link






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"Hold on to your butts" !
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 06, 2018, 04:43:56 AM
And apparently Ronan the Accuser.

Yup! And if you look, Korath is also with the team as well.

I hope we get better versions of both than they gave us in Gaurdians. That version was Ronan was pathetic and awful.

Without knowing much about comic-Ronan before seeing GOTG Vol 1, I didn't have a problem with him.  After reading some comics with him in the storyline, yeah... movie-Ronan was a pussy compared to comic-Ronan
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 10, 2018, 02:01:58 PM
So I watched all of Iron Fist season 2 over the weekend. Clearly the biggest hit since no one is talking about it.

Over all? Meh.

Not NEARLY as bad as season 1. Much much improved. Danny is actually pretty good in this one. Typhoid Mary was also pretty cool. However I just didn't find it....interesting. It was SO bland and kind of boring. I didn't care about much of what was going on. It was, to quote Mark Bernadin "aggressively competent". It did fine, just didn't do more than fine.

And the very very ending was probably the dumbest thing I've seen in a Marvel Netflix show. I have no idea where they plan to take that, but god was it dumb.

On the plus side, some really fun and cool easter eggs like having the police code for super powered people be 616 and lots of other stuff.

Over all? Worth watching, but don't expect a ton. It does, however, greatly alter the status quo of that world for a while.
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Post by: gzarruk on September 10, 2018, 02:05:35 PM
Haven’t got time to start it yet, but hope it isn’t as bad as you say it is. I liked S1, though, so I guess I’ll like this one too.
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Post by: Adami on September 10, 2018, 02:09:59 PM
Haven’t got time to start it yet, but hope it isn’t as bad as you say it is. I liked S1, though, so I guess I’ll like this one too.

I didn't say it was bad. I said it was merely fine. It was just not terribly interesting. It was an even C+ for me. It could have been way better, but it could have been way worse. It's a big improvement over the last season, it's just not....captivating. The characters are just a bit more bland and boring to me, minus Colleen. Also lots of Misty Knight which helps a whole lot.

Maybe if they had ditched the main B plot and changed the actor who played Davos?

Honestly (spoilers here)













1) Revamp the Ward/Joy rivalry here. It had good ideas but not well executed at all.
2) Get rid of the triad wars. The acting was just not good on most of their parts (the triads) and it came off as REALLY cheesy. I know it's Iron Fist and needs to be all about Asian stuff, but this didn't feel natural at all.
3) Actor playing Davos just has no charisma. Character had potential, but was just boring.

Do that, and you've got potential.
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Post by: gzarruk on September 10, 2018, 02:18:09 PM
I skipped the last part of your post, because I don’t want to get any spoilers, but I’ll comment on it as soon as I can watch the episodes. Not sure if I want Misty to be around a lot, though. I like her more after LC S2, but I don’t want her to steal the attention from the IF characters overrall.
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Post by: Adami on September 10, 2018, 02:24:27 PM
I skipped the last part of your post, because I don’t want to get any spoilers, but I’ll comment on it as soon as I can watch the episodes. Not sure if I want Misty to be around a lot, though. I like her more after LC S2, but I don’t want her to steal the attention from the IF characters overrall.

Good call. I changed the font size. Sorry about that.

Misty doesn't steal anything, she's supportive in the best ways.
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Post by: jammindude on September 10, 2018, 09:45:22 PM
Am I the only one who thinks there are parts of Big Chief II by OSI that sound like the Luke Cage theme song?

Big Chief II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcalbBzGxWE

Luke Cage Theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_ArLTXYCg
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Post by: ariich on September 11, 2018, 11:58:45 AM
I'm 7 episodes into Iron Fist season 2 and digging it a lot. But then I enjoyed season 1 well enough. This is a definite improvement over it though, and Mary is a really awesome character.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 12, 2018, 04:44:15 AM
I'm about 6 episodes in and it's pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on September 12, 2018, 08:46:52 PM
On episode 5 myself, and yeah, it seems they've fixed all the issues I had with season 1.
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Post by: Podaar on September 13, 2018, 05:26:16 AM
Okay, we finished up the season last night. I won't spoil anything yet but I really can't wait for you guys to finish the season so I can get your take on the last episode.  :omg: We did not see that coming!

There were several one-on-one moments this season that I thought were very well acted and quite moving, really. One scene especially, I think it was in episode four, where Danny and Ward were having a tearful conversation. So many feels.

I'm looking forward to some discussions once we're all caught up.
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Post by: Lonk on September 13, 2018, 08:59:35 PM
I just finished Iron Fist as well. Overall not bad, there were some moments that felt meh but not bad. That ending though...

Definitely better than Luke S2
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 13, 2018, 09:03:33 PM
I just finished Iron Fist as well. Overall not bad, there were some moments that felt meh but not bad. That ending though...

Definitely better than Luke S2


Wait what? Do you mean just the very ending or the whole season? Cause LC season 2 was insanely amazing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on September 17, 2018, 01:08:00 PM
Just finished season 2 myself. It was awesome. Luke Cage and Iron Fist both big steps up from their season 1s, whereas the shows with much stronger season 1s dropped in season 2.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 17, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
Apparently first Captain Marvel trailer tomorrow?? Wooooo!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on September 17, 2018, 07:20:38 PM
Apparently first Captain Marvel trailer tomorrow?? Wooooo!

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/22b2c7ca5c9ca6c48a1d148ebdd9afff/tenor.gif?itemid=8224887)
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Post by: lonestar on September 17, 2018, 08:03:19 PM
Yup, I peed myself a little on that one...
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Post by: The Walrus on September 17, 2018, 08:07:16 PM
AWESOME!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on September 18, 2018, 01:45:04 AM
Really enjoyed season 2 of Iron Fist! Much better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 18, 2018, 06:59:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

First trailer is up!

Looks good. Doesn't give much away (at all) but really focuses on character, rather than showing a ton of explosions or exposition. A good first trailer. Hope they don't do the typical Marvel thing and show 1/3 of the movie in the trailers/TV spots, but we all know they will. So I'll probably watch 1 more trailer and call it quits.
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Post by: The Walrus on September 18, 2018, 07:07:09 AM
Looks great. I've never really known anything about the character but since the first pics came out I thought, wow, she looks great in that role, and I still believe that after the trailer. Stoked!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on September 18, 2018, 07:17:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

First trailer is up!

Looks good. Doesn't give much away (at all) but really focuses on character, rather than showing a ton of explosions or exposition. A good first trailer. Hope they don't do the typical Marvel thing and show 1/3 of the movie in the trailers/TV spots, but we all know they will. So I'll probably watch 1 more trailer and call it quits.

Agree on all of this.  After Ultron, I decided I'd only watch the officially released theatrical trailers - no vignettes, no web featurettes, no 'special' sneak previews, no TV commercial spots.  I ended up knowing about 20 minutes of AoU, and regretted it when I saw the movie.  Worked splendidly for everything that came since.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 18, 2018, 10:08:10 AM
Cool.  The trailer itself was standard fair.  But finally just getting to see something from the film is satisfying.  The de-aging on Samuel L. Jackson looks REALLY convincing.  It looks like this is in many ways going to be HIS origin story as well, going from some low-level, burned-out bureaucrat to the in-charge Nick Fury we know. 
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Post by: The Walrus on September 18, 2018, 10:14:23 AM
^^ I noticed that too, Sam Jackson is looking damn good. Props to the effects team.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 18, 2018, 10:30:11 AM
^^ I noticed that too, Sam Jackson is looking damn good. Props to the effects team.

Props to the technology.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: kaos2900 on September 18, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
That trailer alone looks better than anything from DC universe. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on September 18, 2018, 11:35:08 AM
That trailer alone looks better than anything from DC universe. Can't wait!

Kevin Feige could record himself farting and it would still look better than anything from the DC movie universe. Just saying...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 18, 2018, 11:39:38 AM
Wasn't that in the bonus features for Iron Man 3?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 18, 2018, 11:53:42 AM
Wasn't that in the bonus features for Iron Man 3?

Kevin Feige farting? I believe that was the 3rd act.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 18, 2018, 12:44:25 PM
So I'm trying to think of what the plot of this movie may be, since we've not been given a ton, and based solely on the info provided thus far.

So it seems like Carol will be a test pilot or something for a space exploration thing and get accidentally pulled into the Kree home world who will take her, brainwash her or mindwipe her (before or after she gets her powers) and turn her into a soldier in their war. During a battle she lands on earth and her memories slowly start to come back. She knows that Skrulls are on the planet too since she was probably fighting them before she crash landed. So she has to try to fight her enemy while also learning about who she is and realizing that the Kree are her enemy too because they took her and made her into a brainwashed soldier.


Just a guess.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on September 18, 2018, 01:07:15 PM
The stuff in this trailer totally contradicts what Fury has said in other movies (most notably The Avengers) about the possible existence of extraterrestrials. Oh well, impossible to keep all that stuff straight.

Referencing Thor's appearance: "Not only did we learn we're not alone . . . "

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 18, 2018, 01:34:13 PM
Nah, that isn't really a contradiction.  He never said they didn't know about the possible existence of extraterrestrials--just that that is when it came to the public's attention.  He may have implied it, but to the extent he did, that was clearly propaganda used to try to get the Avengers to calm down and play ball.  And that would be consistent with one of the major themes in Avengers (and beyond) as well.  If you think it is a contradiction, then fine, but this film is far from the first time that line has been contradicted.  Agents of SHIELD and some of the films that followed Avengers have pretty clearly indicated that there were plenty on earth that had been previously aware of extraterrestrials prior to the events of Thor.

In other news, I am WAY past being done with Hollywood/media seemingly obsessing over whether this movie FINALLY makes the important leap of providing us with a lead female superhero, or that movie FINALLY makes the important leap of providing us with a lead Black superhero, or...etc.  How about we just enjoy well-written movies about well-written heroes?
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Post by: King Postwhore on September 18, 2018, 01:39:45 PM
Plus, as a super spy, they lie, twist the facts to benefit what they want.  Of fibbing. :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on September 18, 2018, 02:13:54 PM
Plus, as a super spy, they lie, twist the facts to benefit what they want.  Of fibbing. :lol

Both this and what Bosk said are valid.  And if they add-in some kind of throw-away comment in Captain Marvel that suggests Howard Stark needs to start combing the oceans hard for the Tesseract after Fury realizes there are aliens 'out-there', that would still line things up.  The whole point in A1 about 'learning' there are aliens out there is the fact they have the Tesseract now, and are weaponizing it.  They could make it so that Fury has been desperately wanting the Tesseract ever since the time period of Captain Marvel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on September 18, 2018, 02:20:02 PM
SO early to be getting a trailer though.  We have 6 months until this film, with nothing from Marvel in between. 

In other news, the boys and I are now up to the beginning of S2 for Agents of SHIELD.  Plenty of time to finish that series and rewatch Guardians, vol. 1 before Captain Marvel hits so that we are as up-to-date as possible about what has been revealed about the Kree thus far in the MCU.
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Post by: Adami on September 18, 2018, 03:03:39 PM
SO early to be getting a trailer though.  We have 6 months until this film, with nothing from Marvel in between. 

In other news, the boys and I are now up to the beginning of S2 for Agents of SHIELD.  Plenty of time to finish that series and rewatch Guardians, vol. 1 before Captain Marvel hits so that we are as up-to-date as possible about what has been revealed about the Kree thus far in the MCU.

Yea, I dunno why marvel loads everything into the first half of the year. We now get 3 movies by July and then nothing. Seems like Ant-Man may have done way better near Thanksgiving than like 2 months after Infinity War.
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Post by: gzarruk on September 18, 2018, 06:01:40 PM
SO early to be getting a trailer though.  We have 6 months until this film, with nothing from Marvel in between. 

That's right, even the DT album is coming earlier and we still don't know anything about it yet :lol
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Post by: lonestar on September 18, 2018, 06:54:36 PM
We actually do have Venom coming. Though not part of the MCU, it is a Marvel product. And personally I'm kind of stoked to see it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 18, 2018, 07:17:16 PM
Yes, I’m sure it’ll be amazing. Like a turd, in the wind.

But they could put their 3rd MCU movie around thanksgiving or October to help make the wait times more even. Not even to fill in the extra time, but having 3 movies all within 2-3 months of each other is a bit much.
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Post by: gzarruk on September 18, 2018, 08:54:03 PM
Just finished IF s2, man, that was unexpected. At first, I thought it was just going to be a PC ending and all that, which bothered me, but then we had THAT scene at the end and I was like ??? :eek
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Post by: lonestar on September 18, 2018, 10:46:48 PM
Yes, I’m sure it’ll be amazing. Like a turd, in the wind.

But they could put their 3rd MCU movie around thanksgiving or October to help make the wait times more even. Not even to fill in the extra time, but having 3 movies all within 2-3 months of each other is a bit much.

Your optimism is overwhelming.

I totally agree that Ant Man should have been a fall release, and get what you're saying.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on September 19, 2018, 04:25:09 AM
Marvel thread: 6 month wait is too long.
Same people in Star Wars thread: Do they really need a movie every year?

:lolpalm:
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Post by: Bolsters on September 19, 2018, 04:32:08 AM
DC thread: Should they even bother?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: kaos2900 on September 19, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
Marvel thread: 6 month wait is too long.
Same people in Star Wars thread: Do they really need a movie every year?

:lolpalm:

I've been on the side that regardless of the film series there can be a movie every month as long as the quality stays high. I think a star wars film once a year is fine as long as the films are good. Solo was a good film released at the wrong time after two huge films. I'd still bet dollars to donuts that if Solo is released in September or even December that it's not a commercial disaster.
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Post by: Cyclopssss on September 20, 2018, 02:36:15 AM
I'm watching Solo right now.  :corn Wrong thread. 
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Post by: The Walrus on September 20, 2018, 07:04:31 AM
Yeah, I'm with kaos on the subject of film frequency. As long as the films remain quality, I have no problem with how often they come out. Although I do get stir crazy in a way when Marvel leaves us hanging for half a year without any movies after frontloading the year with all sorts of wild stuff. I like the Star Wars approach of one per year (and beyond that, one main entry every other year with a side story in between to flesh out the universe), but I'll admit I'm not really crazy about Star Wars in the first place, even less so about what they're doing with the franchise currently.
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Post by: Adami on September 20, 2018, 07:07:59 AM
Yeah, I'm with kaos on the subject of film frequency. As long as the films remain quality, I have no problem with how often they come out. Although I do get stir crazy in a way when Marvel leaves us hanging for half a year without any movies after frontloading the year with all sorts of wild stuff. I like the Star Wars approach of one per year (and beyond that, one main entry every other year with a side story in between to flesh out the universe), but I'll admit I'm not really crazy about Star Wars in the first place, even less so about what they're doing with the franchise currently.

I don't think anyone (including me) was wishing for less films, but your comment about front loading was the crux of my argument. I just think they would be better served being more spread out. I feel like Ant-Man suffered because it came RIGHT off the heels of their biggest movie ever. If it came out around now, I feel like it would have been better received and performed better.

Film 1 - March
Film 2 - July
Film 3 - October

Bam, you got a nicely distributed schedule. No one is getting sick of the movies, and we're not still in the mindset of the last one when the new one comes out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on September 20, 2018, 07:10:09 AM
Oh, I'm in full agreement there. As much as I loved getting Ant-Man shortly after Infinity War I definitely think it would have been better to release it around this time instead of in the immediate aftermath of Infinity War while that was still going strong.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2018, 07:13:53 AM
Oh, I'm in full agreement there. As much as I loved getting Ant-Man shortly after Infinity War I definitely think it would have been better to release it around this time instead of in the immediate aftermath of Infinity War while that was still going strong.

Yea. I kept hearing it being referred to as "a pallet cleanser" and that seemed like it wasn't what the movie was trying to be, but due to the release schedule, ended up becoming. Which isn't good. No one wants to invest that much into a movie that is the equivalent of swishing water in your mouth between meals.
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Post by: The Walrus on September 20, 2018, 07:18:49 AM
Oh, I'm in full agreement there. As much as I loved getting Ant-Man shortly after Infinity War I definitely think it would have been better to release it around this time instead of in the immediate aftermath of Infinity War while that was still going strong.

Yea. I kept hearing it being referred to as "a pallet cleanser" and that seemed like it wasn't what the movie was trying to be, but due to the release schedule, ended up becoming. Which isn't good. No one wants to invest that much into a movie that is the equivalent of swishing water in your mouth between meals.

 :lol True. Although I never took that as a derogatory term, personally. It was a pretty lighthearted adventure with lots of funny moments (strangely, not as many as Infinity War, but the overall tone of the movie was lighter with less gravity) and I liked that after having such a huge emotional cliffhanger from IW. I loved the post-credits too as it tied it all back together with another very cool cliffhanger. I'm just wondering if there will be an Ant-Man 3. I wasn't crazy about the first one but really enjoyed AM&Wasp, so I'm hoping he plays a part in Avengers 4  :biggrin:
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Post by: Adami on September 20, 2018, 07:22:47 AM
Well the global box office helped AM&TW a whole lot. So if there's a 3rd, I'd be prepared for a trip to Asia ;).

And yea, from what i've seen, he's going to play a pretty big role in A4.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on September 20, 2018, 12:41:48 PM
Brush all that shit aside for a second... Teaser trailer for DD S3....


https://youtu.be/jx2x7DklglQ (https://youtu.be/jx2x7DklglQ)

KINGPIN IS BACK!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2018, 01:01:30 PM
Brush all that shit aside for a second... Teaser trailer for DD S3....


https://youtu.be/jx2x7DklglQ (https://youtu.be/jx2x7DklglQ)

KINGPIN IS BACK!!!

Back in the old school suit too! Yes. That was very exciting, as little as it showed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on September 20, 2018, 01:14:32 PM
To quote my inside source...

"Yeah they did that really well. And Vincent Donofrio plays him amazingly. This season is phenomenal I'm really excited for people to see it."
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Post by: gzarruk on September 20, 2018, 01:18:44 PM
Two Marvel teaser trailers in a row? Best week ever lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2018, 02:55:12 PM
To quote my inside source...

"Yeah they did that really well. And Vincent Donofrio plays him amazingly. This season is phenomenal I'm really excited for people to see it."

So every other season of Daredevil?  ;D
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Post by: lonestar on September 20, 2018, 03:17:56 PM
To quote my inside source...

"Yeah they did that really well. And Vincent Donofrio plays him amazingly. This season is phenomenal I'm really excited for people to see it."

So every other season of Daredevil?  ;D

Actually, my kid does PR for Netflix Marvel series, and she's seen it already. That was the text she sent me today. Hard to out-nerd your own kid when she's got the inside scoop. #proudpapa
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Post by: Adami on September 20, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
To quote my inside source...

"Yeah they did that really well. And Vincent Donofrio plays him amazingly. This season is phenomenal I'm really excited for people to see it."

So every other season of Daredevil?  ;D

Actually, my kid does PR for Netflix Marvel series, and she's seen it already. That was the text she sent me today. Hard to out-nerd your own kid when she's got the inside scoop. #proudpapa

That is so freakin cool man.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 20, 2018, 03:30:48 PM
YEAH, WELL MY KID TEXTED ME A PICTURE OF A PUPPY TODAY!   >:(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on September 20, 2018, 03:34:47 PM
Yea? Well my kid doesn't exist and therefore leaves me with a giant sized hole in my heart that no amount of distractions could ever fill!

SO HAH!
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Post by: lonestar on September 20, 2018, 03:49:29 PM
To quote my inside source...

"Yeah they did that really well. And Vincent Donofrio plays him amazingly. This season is phenomenal I'm really excited for people to see it."

So every other season of Daredevil?  ;D

Actually, my kid does PR for Netflix Marvel series, and she's seen it already. That was the text she sent me today. Hard to out-nerd your own kid when she's got the inside scoop. #proudpapa

That is so freakin cool man.

It is. She's efficient, organized, and goal driven. The apple fell very far from the tree on this one hahaha

YEAH, WELL MY KID TEXTED ME A PICTURE OF A PUPPY TODAY!   >:(

PUPPY!!!!!
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Post by: bosk1 on September 20, 2018, 04:27:08 PM
Yea? Well my kid doesn't exist and therefore leaves me with a giant sized hole in my heart that no amount of distractions could ever fill!

SO HAH!

 :'(  :hug:
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 21, 2018, 05:20:28 AM
Not sure what I think about this.  Gonna be uber pissed if - like many other streaming services - DisneyOnDemand isn't licensed to broadcast in Canada.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/09/19/disney-is-willing-to-hurt-marvel-and-star-wars-movies-to-beat-netflix/#599b3f432d52
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: eric42434224 on September 21, 2018, 07:31:54 AM
My apologies if this was already mentioned, but this is a very large thread.

I saw Infinity War last Weekend, and I found it extremely entertaining.  I found the character of Thanos very intriguing.  I did some research because I had a nagging question about the movie.  It is in regards to his goal of killing 1/2 the universe and his new power.

To me, the movie shows him as an almost likeable character as it seems his motives are pure and good.  He is doing the thing no one else will to ensure the survival of live in the Universe.  Wether that is a valid goal, cause, or motive is another discussion.  I also read on another source (perhaps older comics??) that Thanos is doing this to earn the romantic favor of Death.

if his motives are what is proposed in the movie, and he has practically infinite power in the universe, why kill 1/2 of all life?
When he didnt have the Infinity Stones, his course of action was limited....manually kill off the life to save resources.
But now he actually has the ability to snap his finger, and reallocate and create resources. 

Why kill life to save resources, when he can now create resources to save life?

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Post by: ariich on September 21, 2018, 07:38:39 AM
My apologies if this was already mentioned, but this is a very large thread.

I saw Infinity War last Weekend, and I found it extremely entertaining.  I found the character of Thanos very intriguing.  I did some research because I had a nagging question about the movie.  It is in regards to his goal of killing 1/2 the universe and his new power.

To me, the movie shows him as an almost likeable character as it seems his motives are pure and good.  He is doing the thing no one else will to ensure the survival of live in the Universe.  Wether that is a valid goal, cause, or motive is another discussion.  I also read on another source (perhaps older comics??) that Thanos is doing this to earn the romantic favor of Death.

if his motives are what is proposed in the movie, and he has practically infinite power in the universe, why kill 1/2 of all life?
When he didnt have the Infinity Stones, his course of action was limited....manually kill off the life to save resources.
But now he actually has the ability to snap his finger, and reallocate and create resources. 

Why kill life to save resources, when he can now create resources to save life?


Yeah we did discuss that a little while back, and the thrust of it was: Thanos has gone mad. He became so obsessed that his way of doing things was right, he's unable to see that with the power of the gauntlet he could help in other ways instead.
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Post by: bosk1 on September 21, 2018, 08:09:35 AM
...or that his newfound power is not truly "unlimited," which it isn't, and he cannot actually use it to simply create the limitless resources that it would take to sustain the potentially limitless population.

I think the reality is likely supposed to be a combination of both:  His power, although extensive, is not limitless, and he cannot singlehandedly address and remedy the problem.  AND he is insane, and so is his plan.
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Post by: The Walrus on September 21, 2018, 08:19:03 AM
Apt moniker, 'The Mad Titan' ;)
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Post by: jammindude on September 22, 2018, 04:50:32 PM
Just finished Luke Cage Season 2.   Very interesting ending.   I'm moving on to Iron Fist 2 tonight.  Looking forward to the twist ending that everyone is talking about.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 04, 2018, 01:00:16 PM
Just got the scoop, Daredevil S3 comes out on Oct 19th. My daughter is at NY Comic Con doing the press day with all the actors. Proud, but so damn jelly.... :lol



Edit, she just sent me a pic of Charlie Cox and Debora Woll, from behind the camera. She says she's just joking around with them having fun. AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Post by: Adami on October 04, 2018, 03:01:24 PM
Just got the scoop, Daredevil S3 comes out on Oct 19th. My daughter is at NY Comic Con doing the press day with all the actors. Proud, but so damn jelly.... :lol



Edit, she just sent me a pic of Charlie Cox and Debora Woll, from behind the camera. She says she's just joking around with them having fun. AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I am jelly of your kiddo.


Yea, from what I've read about season 3, it should be really good. Supposed to be pretty dark and he's back in the black rags instead of the official costume. Lots of personal turmoil.
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Post by: lonestar on October 04, 2018, 10:05:27 PM
Me too man, and she's got three more days of this.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 06, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
I just saw Venom.
The movie is pretty bad, but I still enjoyed it a lot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 06, 2018, 04:12:02 PM
Venom....yea. Odd stuff.

Tom Hardy is actually really great as Brock/Venom. The rest of the movie is just garbage though. The script felt like it was written in 1998 and not updated since. I get that some people think it may have been an intentional homage to that, but that doesn't excuse it.


Best scene is the 2nd post credits scene.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 12, 2018, 03:35:57 PM
Interesting thought regarding Avengers 4.  This is just my speculation, but still, if people don't want to hear speculation about what might potentially happen, stop reading.  Since it is just speculation, it isn't a spoiler.  But my thought process was triggered by something I read about information that was leaked about some toys.  So, here goes...

The leaked information mentioned the Avengers, Rocket and a new crew, and others fighting a "new foe" and "even greater threat."  I guess there is apparently lots of speculation going around about who this bigger threat could be.  But I don't think it really matters for the bigger point I am about to make.  Let's just assume for a moment that there is some "bigger threat" looming--i.e., bigger than Thanos. 

Now, here's the thing about Thanos:  he was one of those villains that legitimately saw himself as doing something "good."  He was a zealot for his cause.  And he viewed his cause as a benevolent one designed, in his mind, to ultimately "save" the galaxy. 

So, what if a threat arose that sought to destroy the galaxy?  How would Thanos react to that?  For his flaws and the twisted nature of his plan in Avengers 3, complete destruction would obviously run contrary to what he was trying to accomplish.  So...what if he were to basically "team up" with the good guys?  Not a traditional team up.  But if there were a legitimate threat that was too powerful for him to stop, and he ultimately decided that he needed the help of the MCU heroes, that could explain the expected "resurrection" of everyone wiped out during the snap. 

Again, this is obviously just speculating.  But something like this would actually be a palatable way of bringing folks back, IMO.  I certainly wouldn't hate the idea of something like this.  To me, it is more palatable than some sort of time travel through the quantum realm, which seems both too obvious and too contrived.

Anyhow, that's my theory.
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Post by: Adami on October 12, 2018, 03:53:57 PM
I think that's a pretty good theory. In the comics, similar things have happened a number of times actually. Thanos has teamed up with heroes quite a few times. I hadn't considered that for this, but I do like it.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 12, 2018, 03:58:24 PM
And to tie it back to Dr. Strange's "this is the only way" statement, maybe the battle had to play out this way because Thanos winning by some other means other than the gauntlet being severely damaged and him taking Stormbreaker to the chest was the only way the galaxy was sufficiently weakened for this "bigger threat" to emerge and for him being too weakened to challenge it without the help of the good guys.  Or, at least, it's maybe the only way he looks objectively at his own limitations and decides to undo the snap.
 Maybe?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 12, 2018, 04:47:32 PM
It's a cool theory, just trying to bring to mind what could possibly constitute a bigger threat that would require the Avengers and Thanos with the guantlet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 12, 2018, 04:56:55 PM
It's a cool theory, just trying to bring to mind what could possibly constitute a bigger threat that would require the Avengers and Thanos with the guantlet.

The reigning theory (and that's used VERY loosely) is annihilus. I'm not putting this in spoilers because there is NO evidence for it. Which I super duper hope it's not. Annihilus works in the comics, but I can't see him being a movie villain, and the his wave would just be a huge pointless CGI army, which I want to avoid if possible.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 12, 2018, 05:30:14 PM
Annihilus deserves its own Phase. I'd be very disappointed if that is jammed into Avengers 4

Galactus?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on October 12, 2018, 05:38:04 PM
The movies, so far, have followed the spirit of the comic books faithfully.  (In the sense that, when I watch a MCU movie or TV Series, I feel like I'm watching something "in the style of" a comic book.  The way it references other things in the universe without necessarily needing to get that issue...etc...etc)

That being said, there is something that comic books have gotten away with for decades that I don't think will continue to work on the big screen.    The "bigger baddie".    You can only ramp up the tension so much before it becomes overblown.   You create the universe's most powerful villain.....until we create an even more powerful one.      I honestly don't know how comics got away with that for so long and still managed to keep a decent amount of tension.   

But then again, there isn't really anywhere else to go but up.   And they haven't done anything really bad yet.    But I just feel like the other shoe has to drop at some point.    This has still been an unprecedented theatrical achievement as it is.   I hope it never stops, but I feel like it might hit a big pot hole in the road in the next couple of years. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 12, 2018, 06:11:03 PM
Annihilus deserves its own Phase. I'd be very disappointed if that is jammed into Avengers 4

Galactus?

I would love for a great version of Galactus and Silver Surfer. But they're still owned by Fox. So unless there's something we don't know (and they've already said the merger won't impact this movie), Marvel can't touch them.


Whoever it is, I hope it's not a big CGI army.



Cosmic Ghost Rider! (if anyone is familiar with him)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 12, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
Not familiar with Cosmic Ghost Rider.

Why did I think Marvel did get access to the Fox assets??

Edit: Kinda sorta. But not for A4 clearly.

https://comicbook.com/movies/2018/10/10/disney-21st-century-fox-deal-close-date-2019-marvel/
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Post by: gzarruk on October 12, 2018, 11:29:09 PM
Iron Fist just got cancelled by Netflix :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Bolsters on October 12, 2018, 11:39:35 PM
That doesn't bother me at all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on October 13, 2018, 02:28:33 AM
Damn that sucks, especially after a really strong season 2. :(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2018, 07:31:44 AM
Damn that sucks, especially after a really strong season 2. :(

I wouldn't call it really strong, but a big improvement and had potential for a really strong season 3.


I actually wonder if all the shows will be cancelled in the next 1-2 years since Disney's streaming services is popping up around then.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on October 13, 2018, 08:10:42 AM
I'm debating seeing Venom this week or sometime next week. I don't expect good things, but IMO Venom himself looks very cool and since he's one of my favorite Marvel villains I gotta at least see what they do with him...

I still want Dr. Doom as the next villain. I think the MCU could cook up some good stuff with Doom over the course of numerous films. I would love to see Galactus but I'm just having a hard time imagining him on screen. Plus we won't get to see Odin and Galactus headbutt each other  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 13, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
Damn that sucks, especially after a really strong season 2. :(

I wouldn't call it really strong, but a big improvement and had potential for a really strong season 3.


I actually wonder if all the shows will be cancelled in the next 1-2 years since Disney's streaming services is popping up around then.

Not sure... DD comes out in a week, and JJ S3 is in production.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2018, 09:35:00 AM
Oh yea. DD season 3, JJ season 2, Punisher season 2, and Luke Cage season 3 are locked.

I guess I'm thinking after those. All of which will be out (I assume) within 2 years.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 13, 2018, 09:41:24 AM
Damn that sucks, especially after a really strong season 2. :(

I wouldn't call it really strong, but a big improvement and had potential for a really strong season 3.


I actually wonder if all the shows will be cancelled in the next 1-2 years since Disney's streaming services is popping up around then.

That's the rumour ... that a lot of bit franchise names (Loki, Scarlett Witch - did someone post that here earlier?) are going to be exclusive to Disney streaming).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on October 13, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
That stinks.  I actually liked season 1 a lot and I was just getting into season 2. 

I suppose this means no second season of The Defenders either.  :tdwn
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 13, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
Just texted with the kid about it, and she says there's no way the Netflix series would be on a Disney streaming service since they are all rated R and outside the Disney brand.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 13, 2018, 05:04:05 PM
Just texted with the kid about it, and she says there's no way the Netflix series would be on a Disney streaming service since they are all rated R and outside the Disney brand.

Yup, and that totally applies to DD and Punisher and Jessica Jones and maybe even Luke Cage, but the one Netflix show that doesn't need to be, and really shouldn't be R rated and outside the Disney brand is Iron Fist. He's actually a fun guy. They made the show really dark and it wasn't reflective of much of the comics.

Personally, I hope they just make a Heroes for Hire show instead, but if they do bring Iron Fist to Disney Streaming, it'd be the one show that could work.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on October 13, 2018, 06:23:53 PM
What is it with Sony and always showing the last scene of a movie in the trailers?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on October 15, 2018, 01:11:58 AM
Pretty bummed about Iron Fist being cancelled, thought the second season was excellent. Might this mean though we get a Moon/Knight series?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 15, 2018, 12:48:32 PM
To go along with my earlier theories about Avengers 4:  Relating to the different scenarios that Dr. Strange saw playing out, and his "this was the only way" comment, I was thinking that the outcome of Infinity War was pretty much set to play out about how it did in every single scenario.  "Winning" is not somehow about altering that stage of the timeline--defeat and the nature of that defeat were inevitable.  But perhaps Strange was merely manipulating who would and would not survive the snap.  If you think about the idea of looking at different potential outcomes, and there is only one where they "win," you can basically boil it down to statistical analysis.  And perhaps that statistical analysis does not depend on the facts of what actually happens in the battles, but on certain combinations of key individuals surviving and not surviving the snap.  In other words, "winning" at some point down the road is determined by something along the lines of "individuals A, B, C, D... must survive the snap; individuals P, Q, R, S... must not."  And maybe for a lot of you, this is a "well, duh!" theory.  I mean, it is heavily implied in Infinity War that Stark's survival was key.  But it had not occurred to me until just now that there may have been a necessary bigger combination of individual survivors and nonsurvivors that had to be set up for the "winning" scenario. 

EDIT:  I mean, if you think about it, Strange knew there was only one "winning" outcome.  And he apparently knew that he would have to give up the time stone to accomplish that.  So why engage in that big fight on Titan?  He has to have been manipulating the outcome somehow.  I guess one possible explanation is that he was buying time because he needed certain events to happen elsewhere.  But another explanation is that he was manipulating who would and would not survive.  I think Thanos has some (or possibly complete) control over who remained and who did not.  I think, left to his own devices, Thanos leave the original Avengers intact unless he has to kill any of them off to get one of the stones to begin with.  Sure, they are dangerous.  But he also respects them.  And I think he basically sees them as "fit enough to survive."  On the flip side, I think he plans on killing off Starlord, Drax, and Mantis for being associated with Gamorra and trying to stop him on Knowhere (I don't think he particularly cares about Groot and Rocket, if he even specifically knows of them).  I think Strange knows that the original Avengers must live, and that all the heroes on Titan other than Stark and Nebula must not survive (Strange in particular).  Maybe Strange sees that he will have to communicate back from "the other side."  Dunno.  But in any case, maybe he fights so hard and uses so much of his own bag of tricks to make sure that Thanos takes them all out with the snap.  Other than Stark, and Strange manipulates the fight to stop it and secure Thanos' promise to spare Stark at the last possible moment.  And he knows Thanos will spare Nebula because she is still his daughter, and despite Garmorra being the favorite and torturing Nebula, he still "loves" her in some twisted way.  But everyone else MUST go.  There could certainly be other key people who either had to survive or had to not survive, but I think the original Avengers and Nebula surviving, and the remaining heroes on Titan not surviving were somehow key, and that Strange manipulated that specific combination (and possibly others) with his actions.

Anyhow, some more fun (or not) morning ramblings...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on October 15, 2018, 01:10:06 PM
After being underwhelmed by Iron First Season One when it came out, we waited, but finally started Season Two. MUCH better so far (through the first five episodes). Looking forward to finishing it up this weekend, and then on to the next season of Daredevil, which I believe gets released this weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on October 16, 2018, 05:56:22 PM
After being underwhelmed by Iron First Season One when it came out, we waited, but finally started Season Two. MUCH better so far (through the first five episodes). Looking forward to finishing it up this weekend, and then on to the next season of Daredevil, which I believe gets released this weekend.

DD release date its October 19th
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lax on October 17, 2018, 03:03:50 AM
Finally got to see ant man 2 and well...Apart the trailer already seen scenes and the post credit scene, it wasn't very enjoyable.
I don't like A to B movies, vilains are weak...It's like I'm too old to like it.

Avengers IW and Deadpool2 were the last masterpieces I saw.
I can't wait to see avengers annihilation.

Honestly, seeing the trailers and the actress charism, I feel like captain marvel is going to be abusively narrative and slow :(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on October 18, 2018, 11:40:32 AM
Finally got to see ant man 2 and well...Apart the trailer already seen scenes and the post credit scene, it wasn't very enjoyable.
I don't like A to B movies, vilains are weak...It's like I'm too old to like it.

Avengers IW and Deadpool2 were the last masterpieces I saw.
I can't wait to see avengers annihilation.

Honestly, seeing the trailers and the actress charism, I feel like captain marvel is going to be abusively narrative and slow :(

Is this the official title?  Where did you see this?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 18, 2018, 12:00:31 PM
Not official. Just a rumor. No official title yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on October 18, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Is this the official title?  Where did you see this?

There was some “leaked” information. It was a description of the first trailer which says that is the title along with detailed description of the first trailer. Not sure if the info it’s true but as of right now that is the rumored title for Avengers 4. Whether it’s true or not, this link has spoilers. You’ve been warned.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.hindustantimes.com/hollywood/detailed-avengers-4-trailer-description-leaked-title-revealed-time-travel-teased/story-K6vDrhFjytavLAJ1im3uNO_amp.html
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 18, 2018, 04:50:27 PM
It is not confirmed as "leaked."  We do not know the source.  It could be completely made up.  So, yes, it is at present only a "rumor."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 18, 2018, 04:54:14 PM
Correct.

In fact, the real title was recently leaked.

Avengers 4: Captain American 4: Iron Man 4: Thor 4: Black Panther 2: Ant-Man and the Wasp and Spiderman and the other people who don't have solo movies.


It's a long title, so I wouldn't be surprised if they shorten it a bit.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on October 18, 2018, 04:56:17 PM
I think Annihilation is a DOPE title and I really want it to be true. Therefore, it's not gonna happen. But boy does it sound awesome.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 18, 2018, 05:01:13 PM
I think Annihilation is a DOPE title and I really want it to be true. Therefore, it's not gonna happen. But boy does it sound awesome.  :lol

Like I said before, I can't see the actual Annihilation storyline working in a movie.

I actually really love the story from the comics, especially considering that's how the modern Guardians even got together. But you need SO many working pieces for that storyline, plus it's super dark. The movies would likely just introduce an Ultron like Annihulus and a huge CGI army and...I dunno....that'd be lame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on October 18, 2018, 05:26:34 PM
I think Annihilation is a DOPE title and I really want it to be true. Therefore, it's not gonna happen. But boy does it sound awesome.  :lol

Like I said before, I can't see the actual Annihilation storyline working in a movie.

I actually really love the story from the comics, especially considering that's how the modern Guardians even got together. But you need SO many working pieces for that storyline, plus it's super dark. The movies would likely just introduce an Ultron like Annihulus and a huge CGI army and...I dunno....that'd be lame.

Oh I'm in full agreement re: the storyline. I just think the title is awesome 'cause annihilation is a sweet word, plus I don't think they'd actually go with that storyline anyway. I hope they take an unexpected route, whatever they choose to do in this film/the future, and surprise everyone. Pick something out of left field but make sure it's gonna work. That's always better than just going for what is cool and half-assing it or worse putting effort into it only for it to flop.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 18, 2018, 05:28:12 PM
I agree they should go left field. They should also do that with the title.

Avengers: Turd in the Wind.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on October 18, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 18, 2018, 08:35:51 PM
I agree they should go left field. They should also do that with the title.

Avengers: Turd in the Wind.

Still better than DC.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on October 18, 2018, 08:42:40 PM
I agree they should go left field. They should also do that with the title.

Avengers: Turd in the Wind.


And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a turd in the wind.. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 19, 2018, 09:30:05 AM
Hmmmm, day off and a new season of Daredevil. I really don't see much getting done today  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2018, 09:57:08 AM
Hmmmm, day off and a new season of Daredevil. I really don't see much getting done today  :lol

Ohhh. Someone asked me what I was going to do this weekend. Now I have an answer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on October 19, 2018, 01:25:55 PM
Hmmmm, day off and a new season of Daredevil. I really don't see much getting done today  :lol

Tonight, Saturday, and Sunday - Timberwolves game, finish Iron Fist Season 2, Timberwolves game, plow through new Daredevil season. Weekend is done already.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 19, 2018, 01:34:56 PM
Well I fortunately have Sunday and Tuesday off, so I think I'm going to segment it and try to finish up on Tuesday.






Or I'll just skip life and plow through it all today.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2018, 01:40:52 PM
Well I fortunately have Sunday and Tuesday off, so I think I'm going to segment it and try to finish up on Tuesday.






Or I'll just skip life and plow through it all today.

See, I don't like that. Shows like Daredevil are dense. Going through it all in one day is like scarfing down a 60 dollar steak. Take your time, savor the flavor, enjoy it slowly.

Yes, I have no idea about steak, but you get my point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 19, 2018, 01:42:36 PM
:lol  This steak/Daredevil lover agrees.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2018, 01:49:52 PM
Yea. It's not going anywhere. It's not gonna get cold. It's clearly no longer urgent conversation material like Game of Thrones or even Westworld. No hurry.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 19, 2018, 02:29:17 PM
Whatever. There's nothing in the world that I enjoyed that I also didn't devour addictively. Drugs, booze, food, Marvel. I take them all to the extreme. :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2018, 03:33:21 PM
Whatever. There's nothing in the world that I enjoyed that I also didn't devour addictively. Drugs, booze, food, Marvel. I take them all to the extreme. :metal

(https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2012/July/120711/460611-g-ent-120711-Harold-and-Kumar-Go-to-white-Castle.today-inline-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 19, 2018, 05:23:25 PM
Whatever. There's nothing in the world that I enjoyed that I also didn't devour addictively. Drugs, booze, food, Marvel. I take them all to the extreme. :metal

You forgot ...

(https://replygif.net/i/889.gif)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 19, 2018, 05:35:32 PM
Shhh....



Anyhoo, rolling into episode 6, and though it's a mite slow, it's definitely high caliber stuff. I think shit will hit the fan, and hard in a few episodes, all the pieces are in place.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2018, 09:06:41 PM
Luke Cage has joined Danny Rand in the cancelled bin.

Didn't see that one coming, to be  honest.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 19, 2018, 09:25:25 PM
Really? That sucks, guess JJ2 and Punisher2 are going to be it then.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 19, 2018, 09:26:49 PM
Really? That sucks, guess JJ2 and Punisher2 are going to be it then.

I'm curious if they're going to cancel them all over the next year or two, or make new ones.

Heroes for Hire would make sense with these cancellations. I'd also be curious if they start new ones for new characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 19, 2018, 10:15:31 PM
Did a bit of reading on it, sounds more like a creative struggle/differences that brought them to pulling the plug on this one. I'll try and hit the kid up for any info she may have tomorrow.


Managed to plow through 8 episodes of S3 of Daredevil. It's fucking outstanding, with a few moments that rival the first series in their mastery. Fisk is brilliant of course, and Karen Page really brings her game up many, many notches. Some brutal reveals as well, really don't want to go to bed but I gotta work in the early am and have a full day tomorrow, so you all got till Sunday to catch up before  I go all tiny font on your asses...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on October 20, 2018, 11:28:36 AM
Just blame Thanos

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp8msxpUUAEuVp2.jpg:large)

Seriously, though, what's the deal with all these cancellations? Iron Fist was cancelled after a FANTASTIC season 2 and LC wasn't one of my favorite shows, but it was still entertaining, now both are gone? Either they are planning a heroes for hire/daughters of the dragon show or they're just completely done :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on October 20, 2018, 11:34:43 AM
Either they are planning a heroes for hire/daughters of the dragon show
I'd love for them to do either of these, assuming that either way all four characters are featured plenty.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 20, 2018, 04:29:29 PM
Seems the decision to cut Luke Cage was an on the spot one from what my daughter says, so maybe the reasons are a bit different for the two series. We'll just have to wait and see where this rolls.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on October 20, 2018, 04:37:44 PM
Seems the decision to cut Luke Cage was an on the spot one from what my daughter says, so maybe the reasons are a bit different for the two series. We'll just have to wait and see where this rolls.

It sounds like you have the coolest daughter ever :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 20, 2018, 04:49:53 PM
Seems the decision to cut Luke Cage was an on the spot one from what my daughter says, so maybe the reasons are a bit different for the two series. We'll just have to wait and see where this rolls.

It sounds like you have the coolest daughter ever :hefdaddy

She's definitely in the running....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 21, 2018, 11:22:52 AM
Heading into the last episode of DD. Man did they just nail it here, might be the best Netflix Marvel season yet.



Edit- holy shit that was amazing
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 21, 2018, 09:09:02 PM
4 episodes into DD so far.

Holy moly that prison scene. Jesus.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 21, 2018, 10:21:56 PM
You ain't seen shit yet.  :lol


Actually I think you're referring to Matt's scene in prison, that was quite epic. There are a few more of that caliber and some that blow it away. They really just nail the action sequences in Daredevil, even more so than they do in the other Netflix series, and the addition of Bullseye takes it to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on October 21, 2018, 11:52:05 PM
I'm 3 episodes in, but I read that ep 4 has an amazing 11-minute fight scene that was all filmed in one take. Can't wait to see it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on October 22, 2018, 06:21:14 AM
We're through episode 9. God, this show!  >:(

Love, love what they've done with Karen's character. It needed to happen.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 22, 2018, 08:43:32 AM
I just finished it and my god it was good! It may be the best season of all the Marvel Netflix-shows. It at leasts rivals season 1 for me.
The character work in this season is just fantastic, the fights are epic, and for the first time in all of these series I felt that all the "slow burns" payed off pretty much every time. I really hope they do a season four with a fully developed certain someone that was hinted at in the final scene of the final episode.
Great stuff!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 22, 2018, 09:03:09 AM
I haven't watched it, so I'm obviously clueless as to who might have been hinted at in the final scene.  But having gotten a pretty good treatment of Electra in S2, I'm pretty satisfied in terms of my own personal character bucket list.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Indiscipline on October 22, 2018, 09:29:13 AM
Haven't watched it 'cause I want to binge on the whole thing on my own time, but I would really love for it to be (even vaguely) inspired to the Born Again saga from the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on October 22, 2018, 09:39:30 AM
Finished the season yesterday night (today, really). It's my favorite of all the Marvel Netflix seasons by far. Every character is perfectly written and the action scenes are flawless.

That prison scene has gotta be one of the wildest things I've ever seen :hefdaddy

My other favorite fight was Matt vs Dex in that office :eek (keeping it vague so I don't spoil where)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on October 22, 2018, 09:44:50 AM
My other favorite fight was Matt vs Dex in that office :eek (keeping it vague so I don't spoil where)

I loved that scene, and pretty much anything with Dex and his ability to ricochet items around corners.  I have two more episodes to go, so I should finish in the next day or two. 

This show and The Punisher have been amazing across all of the seasons.  I have zero interest in watching any of the other Marvel Netflix shows.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 22, 2018, 09:55:07 AM
The character work in this season is just fantastic, the fights are epic, and for the first time in all of these series I felt that all the "slow burns" payed off pretty much every time. I really hope they do a season four with a fully developed certain someone that was hinted at in the final scene of the final episode.
Great stuff!

This. The character development is just perfect man, especially with the work they did on Karen Page. There were a few scenes with her, specifically the one with her and Fisk in his apartment and her flashback scene in Ep10 that were near perfect television.

The office fight was sick af, but I think my favorite was either the church fight or the finale. Dex made those fight scenes epic though, just brought everything to a whole new level.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 22, 2018, 10:19:32 AM
The character work in this season is just fantastic, the fights are epic, and for the first time in all of these series I felt that all the "slow burns" payed off pretty much every time. I really hope they do a season four with a fully developed certain someone that was hinted at in the final scene of the final episode.
Great stuff!

This. The character development is just perfect man, especially with the work they did on Karen Page. There were a few scenes with her, specifically the one with her and Fisk in his apartment and her flashback scene in Ep10 that were near perfect television.

The office fight was sick af, but I think my favorite was either the church fight or the finale. Dex made those fight scenes epic though, just brought everything to a whole new level.

The one with Karen and Fisk was intense as F!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 22, 2018, 10:35:25 AM
Alright, alright... I caught something in an above post that seemed to be a little spoilery, so I'm tapping out of this thread now until I'm finished.  See ya'll on the weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 22, 2018, 10:55:56 AM
Alright, alright... I caught something in an above post that seemed to be a little spoilery, so I'm tapping out of this thread now until I'm finished.  See ya'll on the weekend.

And twelve pages later....
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on October 22, 2018, 12:40:06 PM
Alright, alright... I caught something in an above post that seemed to be a little spoilery, so I'm tapping out of this thread now until I'm finished.  See ya'll on the weekend.
Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing. This is kinda why binge shows that drop a whole season at once are annoying.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: New World Rushman on October 22, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
Do I need to watch the 2nd seasons of Luke and Fist before this season of D.D.?
I've been uninspired after the first couple of episodes of Luke Cage.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on October 22, 2018, 01:39:48 PM
Do I need to watch the 2nd seasons of Luke and Fist before this season of D.D.?
I've been uninspired after the first couple of episodes of Luke Cage.

Nah
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2018, 03:16:46 PM
Do I need to watch the 2nd seasons of Luke and Fist before this season of D.D.?
I've been uninspired after the first couple of episodes of Luke Cage.

I don't think you need to see any of them for it to make sense.

That said, season 2 of Luke Cage is amazing, so you should watch that anyway.

Iron Fist.....I mean, up to you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2018, 07:52:08 PM
7 episodes in.

Holy crap! This is amazing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on October 22, 2018, 09:19:53 PM
7 episodes in.

Holy crap! This is amazing.

It. will. get. better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on October 22, 2018, 11:04:37 PM
7 episodes in.

Holy crap! This is amazing.

It. will. get. better.


Yep...Ep 10-13 are fucking insane. Non stop insane.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: New World Rushman on October 23, 2018, 05:46:08 AM
Do I need to watch the 2nd seasons of Luke and Fist before this season of D.D.?
I've been uninspired after the first couple of episodes of Luke Cage.

I don't think you need to see any of them for it to make sense.

That said, season 2 of Luke Cage is amazing, so you should watch that anyway.

Iron Fist.....I mean, up to you.

I'll get back to them eventually, just more interested in DD, which I assume takes off from where The Defenders left off?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on October 23, 2018, 06:28:11 AM
We finished up last night.

Excellent! Mrs. P and I give it  :tup :tup

I'll want to join the discussion once jingle.boy says it's okay for us to discuss this season openly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 23, 2018, 09:37:34 PM
Just finished.

Ho. Ly. Farts.


Might just be the best Marvel Netflix season yet. I am just completely blown away.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on October 24, 2018, 06:34:16 AM
Might just be the best Marvel Netflix season yet. I am just completely blown away.

I feel the same way right now, but I want to give it a bit and re-watch the whole season. I'm actually thinking it would have been best to watch the episodes every other day, or so. Binge watching was a bit overwhelming due to the intensity.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 24, 2018, 12:55:27 PM
I agree. This was not the right show to binge watch (and I watched it over 4 days). I would watch like stretches of 4 episodes I ended up with headaches and stuff from how intense it was.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on October 24, 2018, 01:57:46 PM
I have been rewatching Agents of SHIELD with the boys now that they are old enough.  Just got to the season 2 finale last night.  I had forgotten that two of the best quotes in the entire series come from that episode:

Mac:  You must be Gordon.
Gordon:  And you are?
Mac:  I'm the guy who kills Gordon.

Fitz:  Science, beyatch.

Man, this was such a great episode.  I loved what they did with Cal's arc, the Inhumans arc, the romantic tragedy of FitzSimmons, and a bunch of other stuff.  Good ending to set up further Inhumans drama and the cliffhanger with Simmons.  I just wish Marvel hadn't let the Inhumans as a whole eventually fall flat.

EDIT:  Oh, and I wish they had done more with Alisha after this episode, too.  Such a cool character.  But I don't recall her ever coming back.

EDIT2:  I guess she did appear in season 3 as well for a little bit.  I just don't remember.  Oh well.  I'll be there soon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on October 24, 2018, 02:48:46 PM
I don't do the Netflix thing or any other online stuff, so Agents of SHIELD is it for me, too.  I like it.  There were one or two other shows on regular TV, I think Inhumans was one of them, but I couldn't get into it.  After three or four episodes it still felt like they were setting things up, and I just decided to drop it.  It might have gotten better, but I don't have time for a lot of TV anyway, so I'm pretty brutal when it comes time to cut things.

Anyway, yeah, "I'm the guy who kills Gordon" cracked me up when it first broadcast, and I'm chuckling now just remembering it.  Mac is so cool.  Actually all of them, including Skye/Daisy, show a lot of growth and serious mettle over the course of the show.  And I just read that it's been picked up for another season, so that "maybe finale, maybe not" from last season is going to be interesting recast as a cliffhanger.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 24, 2018, 02:55:46 PM
It might have gotten better,


...it didn't.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on October 24, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
In a way, I find that reassuring.  I mean, I'd hate to drop a show that takes a while to find its legs, only to find out that it got really good later.  So in that sense, I'm glad it never got any better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on October 24, 2018, 06:19:40 PM
You know, I spent some thinking about how Marvel, a company that has been relatively great in terms of output, managed to create such a show like Inhumans. Iron Fist wasn't good, but it had some good elements, but Inhumans? Good god. (nevermind that they were produced by the same dude).

Then I remembered the movie The Muse. Anyone seen it?

Albert Brooks's character has a meeting with Mr. Spielberg at a big movie lot, and assumes it's Steven. Turns out it's actually Stan Spielberg, played by Steven Wright who got the job because he's Steven's like nephew or something.

I feel like Inhumans was the result of people like Stan Spielberg who people assumed was Steven at the time.
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Post by: Orbert on October 24, 2018, 06:53:03 PM
I remember hearing about The Muse.  Albert Brooks was doing the promo tour and was on some show (might've been Letterman) talking about it.  I specifically remember him explaining the word "muse" which apparently a lot of people don't know, and how it's where the word "music" comes from.

And then I thought of the line from the Yes song "Roundabout":

The music dance and sing
They make the children really ring
I spend the day your way

and how Jon Anderson somehow decided that "music" is the plural of "muse".  I'm pretty sure it's not, or maybe it is and I've just never heard it used that way.  And while I was thinking about that, I realized that I wasn't really listening to Albert Brooks any more.  I never did see the movie, but again, that sounds like a good thing.  I'd hate to find out that it was any good and I missed it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on October 25, 2018, 05:51:11 AM
Mac:  You must be Gordon.
Gordon:  And you are?
Mac:  I'm the guy who kills Gordon.


If I had the time, I'd love to rewatch this series. 

The Star Wars Episode III novelization had a line like that between Obi Wan and General Grevious, which I loved:

GG:  I was trained by Count Dooku
Obi Wan:  Well I trained the guy that killed Count Dooku

 :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on October 25, 2018, 06:59:17 AM
Another in a similar vein.  In the movie RED, Bruce Willis (retired, extremely dangerous) is fighting with Karl Urban (active).  Urban has made much of the fact that Willis is much older than him, calling him "Grandpa" and stuff.  Willis gets him in a lock.

Willis: Kordesky trained you?
Urban: Yeah.
Willis: I trained Kordesky.  CRUNCH!  (dislocates Urban's shoulder)
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Post by: Samsara on October 25, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
Skipping all comments to avoid spoilers just to pipe in that I am four episodes in to the new season of Daredevil. For some, I think it probably has started slow. But I am finding it really good.
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Post by: Grappler on October 25, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
It did start slow, but as the season goes on, the episodes pick up in intensity and action. 
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Post by: Adami on October 25, 2018, 11:52:26 AM
I see "it's slow" for literally every single Marvel Netflix show.

Sometimes, like for Iron Fist, it doesn't work. But for the most part it's intentional. The show isn't all about action, it's about character development, which is supposed to be slow. I think at this point we should accept that these shows are slow. Just seems like an odd criticism when it's part of how the shows work. It'd be like watching every single Wes Anderson movie and criticizing it for being quirky.
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Post by: Samsara on October 25, 2018, 11:55:52 AM
I really like the build up and development of the characters. Pleased so far.  :metal

On a related but non-related note, Star Trek Deep Space Nine was referred to as slow as well, but I for one loved the political intrigue and slow build.
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Post by: Adami on October 25, 2018, 11:57:55 AM
I really like the build up and development of the characters. Pleased so far.  :metal

On a related but non-related note, Star Trek Deep Space Nine was referred to as slow as well, but I for one loved the political intrigue and slow build.

Totally. And I love DS9 too, but DS9 took a while to figure out what they wanted to do. Luckily they did figure it out and it was amazing.

So there's a difference between a show that is intentionally slow (Like DD, JJ, LC, etc) vs. shows that are slow because they don't know what they're doing yet (Iron Fist).
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Post by: axeman90210 on October 25, 2018, 12:44:27 PM
Another in a similar vein.  In the movie RED, Bruce Willis (retired, extremely dangerous) is fighting with Karl Urban (active).  Urban has made much of the fact that Willis is much older than him, calling him "Grandpa" and stuff.  Willis gets him in a lock.

Willis: Kordesky trained you?
Urban: Yeah.
Willis: I trained Kordesky.  CRUNCH!  (dislocates Urban's shoulder)

That movie was a good bit of throwaway fun
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on October 25, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
I see "it's slow" for literally every single Marvel Netflix show.

Sometimes, like for Iron Fist, it doesn't work. But for the most part it's intentional. The show isn't all about action, it's about character development, which is supposed to be slow. I think at this point we should accept that these shows are slow. Just seems like an odd criticism when it's part of how the shows work. It'd be like watching every single Wes Anderson movie and criticizing it for being quirky.
I never see "slow" as a criticism (I'm sure some people intend it as such, but screw 'em) but rather a description. As you say, it's a valid form of storytelling.

EDIT: Also, 7 episodes into Daredevil S3 and GOOD GOD THIS IS INTENSE.
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Post by: Adami on October 25, 2018, 03:00:23 PM
Dude, I was actively grinding my teeth and got headaches from how intense the show got. That has never happened to me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on October 25, 2018, 04:54:07 PM
On a related but non-related note, Star Trek Deep Space Nine was referred to as slow as well, but I for one loved the political intrigue and slow build.

I was thinking specifically of Deep Space 9 when I said I was "glad" that Marvel's Inhumans didn't get any better and so I didn't miss out on a good show.  I dropped Deep Space 9 early on, then from all accounts it became the best Star Trek of all in some ways (character and story arcs, epic political intrigue, etc).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on October 28, 2018, 07:52:34 AM
Jumping on the bandwagon - DD was brilliant.  jingle.son and I powered thru the final 5 episodes Friday and last night.  Intense is the word used a lot, and whatever the next word is beyond intense is what it really was.  Couple of points - I don't think they'll be spoilery, but I'll put a couple in tiny font just to be sure.

- Karen's dad's reaction to her when she called.  I thought "Man, that is cold!".  Then we find out why.  The backstory was incredible.
- DID NOT see the twist coming re: Sister Maggie
- didn't like how quick Felix flipped on Kingpin.  Like, his #1 fixer is gonna squeal *that* fast and just because he's hanging upside down.  And where's the proof that Queenpin ordered the kill on Nadeem?



All in all, I'd say that was the best DD season, and best Netflix/Marvel series.

And yeah... binge watching wasn't ideal, but it had to be done as jingle.son is back to school tonight.
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Post by: Samsara on October 29, 2018, 08:47:25 AM
Jumping in to say -- through episode 8 of Season 3 of DD. LOVE the intensity. Hoping to get through the season this week.

Update - got through episode 11. Just two more left!!! INTENSE.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 31, 2018, 11:42:55 AM
Watched ‘Punisher’ last week....told myself I’d check out the first episode last Monday night.....FF three days later and I had binged it. Really liked it. Which led me to start Daredevil two nights ago. Only (5) episodes in to the First season and I like this one a lot also. I’ve heard it only gets better and better which is cool because I’m already digging it.
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Post by: ariich on October 31, 2018, 12:46:32 PM
Watched ‘Punisher’ last week....told myself I’d check out the first episode last Monday night.....FF three days later and I had binged it. Really liked it. Which led me to start Daredevil two nights ago. Only (5) episodes in to the First season and I like this one a lot also. I’ve heard it only gets better and better which is cool because I’m already digging it.
I personally found season 2 a step down from season 1, although it did cool stuff to set up both the Defenders and the Punisher. But just finished season 3 today and it was ridiculously good. That, Punisher season and Jessica Jones season 1 have all been amazing.
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Post by: Samsara on October 31, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
Watched ‘Punisher’ last week....told myself I’d check out the first episode last Monday night.....FF three days later and I had binged it. Really liked it. Which led me to start Daredevil two nights ago. Only (5) episodes in to the First season and I like this one a lot also. I’ve heard it only gets better and better which is cool because I’m already digging it.
I personally found season 2 a step down from season 1, although it did cool stuff to set up both the Defenders and the Punisher. But just finished season 3 today and it was ridiculously good. That, Punisher season and Jessica Jones season 1 have all been amazing.

Agree. I am a big Daredevil fan (second favorite superhero to Batman and Robin -- I guess that makes him third) and found Season 2 to just be good, but not as good as Season 1. But Season 2 is pivotal, as you say. Two more episodes and I am done with Season 3, and I found Season 3 to be amazingly good.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 31, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
I had read online that having not seen any Daredevil wouldn’t greatly affect watching the Punisher....so I watched it first being it was only one season. I liked it so much that’s what drove me to begin Daredevil.

And judging from your comments it sounds like Jessica Jones May be worth it as well.
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Post by: Adami on October 31, 2018, 03:40:57 PM
Iron Fist season 1 is not good.

Iron Fist season 2 is fine.

Luke Cage season 1 is pretty good.

Defenders is good.

Daredevil Season 2 is pretty good (with shades of great).

The rest, DD 1 &3, JJ 1&2, Punisher, LC 2, are all outstanding.
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Post by: bosk1 on October 31, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
And judging from your comments it sounds like Jessica Jones May be worth it as well.

What's really awesome about Jessica Jones is...um...let me get back to you.  :justjen
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Post by: Adami on October 31, 2018, 03:46:28 PM
And judging from your comments it sounds like Jessica Jones May be worth it as well.

What's really awesome about Jessica Jones is...um...let me get back to you.  :justjen

I know! It takes a long time to write out all the really stuff about JJ. It's sooo good.
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Post by: Ninjabait on October 31, 2018, 07:49:09 PM
DD3 is amazing honestly. The stand-off between Karen and Fisk is literally one of the most intense moments in all of television. Only thing I didn't like about it was Matt Murdock's crisis of faith throughout the season. It wasn't very compelling to me and tbh he sounded more like a 14 year old edgy internet atheist(TM) than someone who is a devout Christian having some issues. Everything else about it is super good

And honestly, LC1 and IF1 are the only two seasons that I really have an issue with the pacing. tbh in general I LOVE the pacing of the Netflix shows. The whole "cliffhanger at the end of every episode" thing can get old real quick if it isn't done well (example: Once Upon a Time after the Peter Pan arc). It's nice to have a show just take its time and give us some character development and world building instead of trying to cram as many twists into an episode as possible. The characters are definitely the reason the MCU has stood out in general for me.

Also, I'm going to submit "Corpsey Diem: Seize the dead." as the best line from AoS (also from season 2). It's still one of my favorite jokes on TV.

Watched ‘Punisher’ last week....told myself I’d check out the first episode last Monday night.....FF three days later and I had binged it. Really liked it. Which led me to start Daredevil two nights ago. Only (5) episodes in to the First season and I like this one a lot also. I’ve heard it only gets better and better which is cool because I’m already digging it.

You're definitely gonna want to watch the first seasons of JJ, IF, and LC and the Defenders before jumping into season 3. You can get away with not watching the other seasons 2, but knowing what happens in Defenders is super important for understanding the plot of DD3.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on October 31, 2018, 08:43:39 PM
You're definitely gonna want to watch the first seasons of JJ, IF, and LC and the Defenders before jumping into season 3. You can get away with not watching the other seasons 2, but knowing what happens in Defenders is super important for understanding the plot of DD3.

Thanks for the advice....although that just added a ton of stuff for me to watch   :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on November 01, 2018, 05:36:24 AM
Iron Fist season 1 is not good.

Iron Fist season 2 is fine.

Luke Cage season 1 is pretty good.

Defenders is good.

Daredevil Season 2 is pretty good (with shades of great).

The rest, DD 1 &3, JJ 1&2, Punisher, LC 2, are all outstanding.

Yup. That's your template right there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on November 01, 2018, 05:41:36 AM
You're definitely gonna want to watch the first seasons of JJ, IF, and LC and the Defenders before jumping into season 3. You can get away with not watching the other seasons 2, but knowing what happens in Defenders is super important for understanding the plot of DD3.

Thanks for the advice....although that just added a ton of stuff for me to watch   :lol

sorry to burst your bubble, but Ninja is right.  One cannot grasp/appreciate DD S3 without Defenders, and the other four are pretty crucial to being able to grasp the Defenders.  Watching the Defenders cold might be plausible, but I wouldn't recommend it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on November 01, 2018, 05:52:48 AM
Yeah and all the shows are at least pretty good (ranging to amazing) so they're worth a watch anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on November 01, 2018, 05:53:51 AM
I managed DD3 just fine without watching JJ, Iron Fist, Luke Cage or the Defenders.  Zero interest in any of that.  The beginning of DD3 had a recap of prior events, including the very end of Defenders. 

It's possible to watch only Daredevil and The Punisher and still be satisfied and understand 99% of everything.
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Post by: Samsara on November 01, 2018, 07:54:35 AM
I managed DD3 just fine without watching JJ, Iron Fist, Luke Cage or the Defenders.  Zero interest in any of that.  The beginning of DD3 had a recap of prior events, including the very end of Defenders. 

It's possible to watch only Daredevil and The Punisher and still be satisfied and understand 99% of everything.

Yup, totally agree. I've seen Jessica Jones and Iron Fist. ALso saw The Defenders. But I agree completely -- none of that is necessary in order to watch and enjoy season 3 of DD.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 01, 2018, 01:20:41 PM
If you want to watch the Netflix shows in the intended order (like me) then this is the how you would go about that. There is little things that show up and spread across all the shows. I think Turk has been in just about every season of every show so far. He's pretty minor but it's always funny to see him show up.

Daredevil S01
Jessica Jones S01
Daredevil S02
Luke Cage S01
Iron Fist S01
The Defenders
The Punisher S01
Jessica Jones S02
Luke Cage S02
Iron Fist S02
Daredevil S03

I'm also watching The Gifted, Runaways and Cloak and Dagger. I'm behind on all 3 but I enjoy them as well.
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Post by: ariich on November 01, 2018, 02:21:56 PM
If you want to watch the Netflix shows in the intended order (like me) then this is the how you would go about that. There is little things that show up and spread across all the shows. I think Turk has been in just about every season of every show so far. He's pretty minor but it's always funny to see him show up.

Daredevil S01
Jessica Jones S01
Daredevil S02
Luke Cage S01
Iron Fist S01
The Defenders
The Punisher S01
Jessica Jones S02
Luke Cage S02
Iron Fist S02
Daredevil S03

I'm also watching The Gifted, Runaways and Cloak and Dagger. I'm behind on all 3 but I enjoy them as well.
I'm also watching all of those except for The Gifted as that's not MCU, although I've heard some good things so I may well check it out at some point anyway.

Also Agents of SHIELD.

Literally the only live action MCU thing I haven't bothered with is Inhumans. I mean, I don't generally care when something isn't doing too well as it's not uncommon for me to still like it a lot, like Iron Fist. But with Inhumans it's just on a different level that I've felt no inclination to bother with it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 01, 2018, 03:03:48 PM
The Gifted is really good. It's a bit dark and gloomy but really well done.

It takes place in an alternate timeline where the X-Men have disappeared and in the US all mutants are criminals for just being mutants. They focus on mostly obscure mutants from the comics or ones created just for the show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2018, 03:07:05 PM
I like Gifted.

It's weird though. It's pretty slow like the Netflix shows, but lighter, more like AoS. So it's a weird hybrid. I can see why some wouldn't like it, but I dig it. Also seeing the Cuckoo sisters is amazing. Hoping someone brings Quentin Quire to the big or small screen.
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Post by: gzarruk on November 01, 2018, 03:07:49 PM
The Gifted is very good! Season 2 has been amazing so far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2018, 03:15:52 PM
The only thing I would change about Gifted is using more established X-Men. I don't mean the big teams. We don't need Wolverine or Nightcrawler, but the X-Universe has SOOOOOOOOO many characters, and I feel like, while we do get some in some of the leads, we also get tons of new ones that just come off as generic or pointless. You have some really creative characters to pick from, I don't know why they wouldn't use that to their advantage.

Their Warpath portrayl is good. Polaris is...fine, as different as she is. I love the Cuckoo triplets. I think Connie Chung is beautiful as all hell, but her acting just isn't strong enough for Blink. But so many of the others could be from the comics. Like I said, I'd love Quentin Quire. I'd love any of the weirder (but hopefully not SUPER obscure) characters from the school.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on November 01, 2018, 04:44:11 PM
Hmm, the first few episodes of Gifted didn't draw me in, but seeing the reviews here is making me wanna give it another shot, and I got time since I finally finished Sons of Anarchy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2018, 04:47:19 PM
Hmm, the first few episodes of Gifted didn't draw me in, but seeing the reviews here is making me wanna give it another shot, and I got time since I finally finished Sons of Anarchy.

It might not be your thing, and that's totally cool. It's much slower and smaller stakes than AoS. It's less fun. It's not as dark, or intense or super well done as the Netflix shows. It's a weird in between thing. I like it, but like I said, it's really not for everybody and that's totally cool.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on November 01, 2018, 04:52:44 PM
How central is Amy Acker's character to the show? She's the primary reason for my interest in the show and if she's the lead/one of the leads I should probably check it out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2018, 04:55:04 PM
How central is Amy Acker's character to the show? She's the primary reason for my interest in the show and if she's the lead/one of the leads I should probably check it out.

Pretty central. And pretty awesome.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on November 01, 2018, 05:31:26 PM
All right, I'm on board.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on November 01, 2018, 06:12:16 PM
Hmm, the first few episodes of Gifted didn't draw me in, but seeing the reviews here is making me wanna give it another shot, and I got time since I finally finished Sons of Anarchy.

It might not be your thing, and that's totally cool. It's much slower and smaller stakes than AoS. It's less fun. It's not as dark, or intense or super well done as the Netflix shows. It's a weird in between thing. I like it, but like I said, it's really not for everybody and that's totally cool.

I think what turned me off was the lighthearted 'teen' vibe I initially got, but then again I really enjoyed Runaways so maybe I was just being an especially prejudicial old fart that day.
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Post by: jingle.boy on November 03, 2018, 04:47:58 AM
Hmm, the first few episodes of Gifted didn't draw me in, but seeing the reviews here is making me wanna give it another shot, and I got time since I finally finished Sons of Anarchy.

It might not be your thing, and that's totally cool. It's much slower and smaller stakes than AoS. It's less fun. It's not as dark, or intense or super well done as the Netflix shows. It's a weird in between thing. I like it, but like I said, it's really not for everybody and that's totally cool.

I think what turned me off was the lighthearted 'teen' vibe I initially got, but then again I really enjoyed Runaways so maybe I was just being an especially prejudicial old fart that day.

Were you watching it on Grumpy Old Fucker Day?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on November 05, 2018, 09:11:10 AM
I finished Daredevil on Friday night. What a great season. Better than Season 2 for sure, and really was a perfect "ending," if there isn't a Season 4. Other then Batman/Robin, Daredevil is my second favorite comic character, and I couldn't be more pleased in how Marvel and Netflix did this series.

Now all we need is a Judge Dredd series...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on November 05, 2018, 11:51:10 AM
I’m rewatching DD S3 and I think it’s the best Marvel Netflix  season ever :hefdaddy

Btw, I just realized this is the first/only season of a Marvel Netflix show where Turk didn’t appear (or I missed him completely) :eek
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Post by: Cyclopssss on November 07, 2018, 04:49:07 AM
Yeah, due to being sick I finally found the time to finish season 3 of DD as well and boy is it good. Turk is not in it, indeed, which is sort of strange, come to think of it. I don't get the online hate on the Karen character all of a sudden because having gotten a lot more of her background, she's not that squeaky clean person everyone perceived her to be.
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Post by: ariich on November 07, 2018, 05:31:46 AM
Btw, I just realized this is the first/only season of a Marvel Netflix show where Turk didn’t appear (or I missed him completely) :eek
Unless this page is out of date, that can't be right: https://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Turk_Barrett

According to that he's only been in one episode of JJ and IF, which would mean he can't have appeared in both seasons.
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Post by: bosk1 on November 07, 2018, 03:42:52 PM
Home sick in before and watching DD.  Wow.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 07, 2018, 09:03:26 PM
Haven't started DD season 3 yet.
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Post by: jammindude on November 07, 2018, 10:29:57 PM
Haven't started DD season 3 yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 09, 2018, 09:37:54 AM
Jumping on the bandwagon - DD was brilliant.  jingle.son and I powered thru the final 5 episodes Friday and last night.  Intense is the word used a lot, and whatever the next word is beyond intense is what it really was.  Couple of points - I don't think they'll be spoilery, but I'll put a couple in tiny font just to be sure.

- Karen's dad's reaction to her when she called.  I thought "Man, that is cold!".  Then we find out why.  The backstory was incredible.

Agreed.  At first, I was kind of annoyed by the flashback episode.  I felt like it was just unnecessary filler to try to add character depth and edginess where none was necessary.  But by the end of it, it was really well done.

- DID NOT see the twist coming re: Sister Maggie

TOTALLY!  And she ended up being such a great character for so many reasons. 

didn't like how quick Felix flipped on Kingpin.  Like, his #1 fixer is gonna squeal *that* fast and just because he's hanging upside down.

I hear you.  But on the flip side, there’s only so much time they can spend before losing a viewer’s interest.  They can’t fully flesh out every character and every nuance or the thing will be 200 episodes long.  Yeah, it did seem a little under-baked.  But I’m willing to give them a pass.  That certainly wasn’t the only time the setup for a plot point seemed under-done.  But they got the major ones for the major characters right.  And in the end, I thought that made for a really satisfying series. 

And where's the proof that Queenpin ordered the kill on Nadeem?

See my previous point.  And…well, time to go spoiler font, I guess…
There were quite a few points for her that seemed underdeveloped if you think on them too long.  But I think that’s fine.  I think the point is simply that, in her own way, she was just as cold and brutal as Fisk.  I think all they were trying to do on that point was just to drop little tidbits here and there to show us that, and not to fully develop or flesh them out.  The focus is supposed to be on Fisk, so all they really need to do is develop her as the compliment to Fisk.  As with the stuff I mentioned above, from a storytelling standpoint, spending too much time on the details, while making her more believable and realistic, would ultimately distract from the bigger storyline.  It’s a hard line to draw.  In Jessica Jones, S1, for example, I felt that the season plodded along because there was too much time spend going down rabbit holes.  They were cool rabbit holes.  But they often had me feeling like the bigger issues were being forgotten and taking too long to resolve.  Your mileage may vary. 

To go on a somewhat-related tangent about Nadeem…his ending disappointed me.  He was obviously set up as the likeable tragic hero from the get-go.  And that being said, you just knew he was going to meet a bad ending sooner or later.  So…I guess that’s to be expected, right?  But the way he basically gave up after Fisk got to the grand jury the first time…  I dunno.  I don’t see dying for that.  Yeah, when faced with making a decision in the middle of a crisis, rational people do irrational things.  But after everything he had been through, it seemed like a small thing at that point to find a way to keep on going and try again.  Him succumbing to being killed, although interesting in setting up his “dying declaration” [which really is a thing in rules of evidence, although it doesn’t work quite the way it was portrayed], was just dumb.  He had a decent shot at being able to still put Fisk away and to ultimately fix things with his family and be there to raise his son.  I was bummed that they offed him…at least in that way.


DD3 is amazing honestly. The stand-off between Karen and Fisk is literally one of the most intense moments in all of television.

YES!  That was awesome.  And although it ended up carrying severe consequences, it was incredibly satisfying in terms of story arc.  SO good!  BUT…

…it got a little sideways for me in terms of Dex and the question of him wanting to be referred to as the “next Wesly.”  In some ways, it was fitting in showing Dex’s shortcomings and failure to recognize them.  And I guess that was the point.  But it also just seemed a little bit off to me at times.

Unrelated issue relating to Dex.  I was never a DD fan, so I never read any of the DD comics and don’t really know the characters unless they appeared elsewhere in the Marvel universe (Kingpin, Elektra).  I know NOTHING about Dex’s character, but I am assuming he has some storyline(s) in the comics that nuggets in DD S3 paid tribute to.  At least, there seemed to be little things dropped that I didn’t understand that could be nuggets for fans in the know.  Since I am not in the know, those raised questions for me.  Anyone care to share some of the backstory that might be relevant to things we saw in the Netflix show?

One SPECIFIC one I had was the very end where he was on the operating table, opened his eyes, and his eyes were strange and artificial looking.  Does that tie into anything specific that we know from the comics?  Or is it just a cliffhanger for something we have no idea about? 

Only thing I didn't like about it was Matt Murdock's crisis of faith throughout the season. It wasn't very compelling to me and tbh he sounded more like a 14 year old edgy internet atheist(TM) than someone who is a devout Christian having some issues.

I felt the same way.  Except for…and excuse the brief diversion into P/R territory here—not trying to be too controversial, but if it goes too much farter, we can debate the finer points there…the Catholic faith kind of sets itself up for that.  A LOT of misperceptions about Christianity and faith in God come from Catholic teachings that are decidedly NOT Christian teachings and, in some cases, anti-Christian teachings.  And in that light, as a former Catholic myself, I could understand Matt’s crisis.  But it took effort for me to get there, which is a bit of a weakness in storytelling, as you rightly point out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 09, 2018, 09:38:12 AM
And judging from your comments it sounds like Jessica Jones May be worth it as well.

What's really awesome about Jessica Jones is...um...let me get back to you.  :justjen

I know! It takes a long time to write out all the really stuff about JJ. It's sooo good.

Yeah, you know, I hadn’t given it a fair chance when I wrote that.  But in the ensuing couple of days, while home with the flu, I watched all of S1, so I can now comment more fully.

Overall take:  On the positive side, it told a good story.  It had interesting characters.  In many ways, it felt real.  They took the seedy underbelly of Hell’s Kitchen and made it somewhat relatable by not dressing it up as something romanticized and good, so it all felt very real.

On the less-than positive side, two major points:  First, the season felt like it plodded.  It was interesting.  But between chasing too many rabbit holes and having too many failed attempts on Killgrave, I just found myself in the last half of the season just wishing it would hurry up and end.  It just became TOO much of:  Killgrave is too powerful and we can’t find him.  But we found him.  And we have a window to take him out.  And just as we’re about to, one character or the other does something stupid and he gets away.  And he becomes MORE powerful {or just more convicted and more understanding of the growing movement to stop him].  And we can’t find him.  [repeat]  This went on far too many times.

Second, while from an artistic point of view, the way they took the seedy underbelly of Hell’s Kitchen and made it somewhat relatable was cool.  And yet, there were just FAR too many moments where I was just grossed out with what was being presented or the manner in which it was being presented.  They just went too far, far too often for my tastes.

Balancing the good and the bad, overall, it told an interesting story.  One particular aspect of it—the subplot issue of Cage’s wife—was handled BRILLIANTLY in just about every facet.  It was never THE issue, but it tied well into a lot of major and minor issues, right down to Jessica’s PTSD, and was a thread that wove its way through pretty much the entire season and so many character motivations.  That one plot point had such resounding impact on so many different character decisions.  It was just brilliant.  The season was a cool watch.  But I don’t think I’ll be watching S2.  And I don’t think I’ll be watching the other related series if they are similarly graphic about some of the issues JJ tackles/portrays.

A few other specific comments:

I hated Jeri.  She was, in many ways, a great cardboard cutout “power lawyer.”  And that made her easily hate-able.  The “1,000 cuts” comeuppance scene was brutally AWESOME.  In the whole Jeri/Pam/Wendy love triangle, none of the three were ultimately very likeable or sympathetic, which made it satisfying when the entire thing fell apart for ALL of them.

Simpson…he was just weird.  In so many ways.  Was it just the drugs that made him so paranoid and delusional?  I don’t understand why HE couldn’t understand that Jessica was out to stop Killgrave.  There was no rational reason for him to keep going rogue and ultimately screwing things up.  Is there more about him that was revealed in the series that, in my flu-induced stupor, I must have just missed?  Or is there more about him in the comics that would have made him make more sense?  Or was he just an idiot?  Is there more backstory about whatever sort of super-soldier drugs he was taking that is fleshed out somewhere else?  I liked him for awhile, but he just became such a royal pain about midway through the season that I kept wishing he would just go away.

The door.  Oh, the door.  :lol  You just knew it was going to happen.  I’ll just leave it at that.

The “supermax” rabbit-hole.  This subplot annoyed me.  And at the same time, I thought it was well done and exposed Jessica’s true desperation at this point in the story.

Episode 8 was really cool.  Just when the season seemed to be going in a different direction and subverting what we thought we knew, it ended up revealing the true colors of some characters in unexpected ways.  The two related major events at the end of the episode—I did not see them coming. 

Nurse Temple.  Her appearance alone was a nice crossover nugget.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on November 09, 2018, 09:55:55 AM
I hated Jeri.  She was, in many ways, a great cardboard cutout “power lawyer.”  And that made her easily hate-able.

Jeri's story arch in the second season was one of the highlights, IMO. I suspect you would enjoy it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 09, 2018, 10:21:42 AM
Interesting.  Well, I probably still won't watch S2.  But that is duly noted if I do end up seeing it (which I guess will probably happen at some point in time, even though I don't have any intention of watching it as of this moment). 

Another note on S1:  Now that I think back on it, it's kind of funny how a LOT of scenes with Kilgrave interacting with people in public places start off with the scene being loud, and him getting frustrated and saying "would you shut up!" or the equivalent, followed by the scene then going dead quiet.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on November 09, 2018, 11:57:39 AM
BTW, looks like the whole Marvel-Disney deal is causing the killing  off of  all of the Netflix Marvel shows.  :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 09, 2018, 03:58:37 PM
BTW, looks like the whole Marvel-Disney deal is causing the killing  off of  all of the Netflix Marvel shows.  :'(
I am not happy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 09, 2018, 04:36:50 PM
BTW, looks like the whole Marvel-Disney deal is causing the killing  off of  all of the Netflix Marvel shows.  :'(

Maybe. I’d be fine if DD is over. If so, it went out on a super high note and with some real resolution. Not everything needs 10 seasons.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 09, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
Quit responding to him, and respond to ME!  I posted some great discussion points earlier today and have been waiting patiently all day for you to show up here.  Now get to it, man!

Oh, and I meant to say this earlier with respect to DD, S3:  I would probably pick S1 as my favorite.  But S3 is a VERY close second.  And if I had time to watch both again from start to finish, I might very well find good reasons to choose S3.  It was great.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 09, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
I am a little behind.  I haven't seen Punisher or Daredevil season 3 yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Bosk, I’d recommend you to check JJ S2. I wasn’t a fan of season 1, but decided to give season 2 a chance and it was much much better imo. If you have the time to watch it, I think you should :tup

BTW, looks like the whole Marvel-Disney deal is causing the killing  off of  all of the Netflix Marvel shows.  :'(

Have they announced/cancelled anything else? :eek
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on November 09, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
I am a little behind.  I haven't seen Punisher or Daredevil season 3 yet.

The two best seasons of the bunch.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 09, 2018, 08:34:12 PM
Quit responding to him, and respond to ME!  I posted some great discussion points earlier today and have been waiting patiently all day for you to show up here.  Now get to it, man!

Oh, and I meant to say this earlier with respect to DD, S3:  I would probably pick S1 as my favorite.  But S3 is a VERY close second.  And if I had time to watch both again from start to finish, I might very well find good reasons to choose S3.  It was great.

Sorry boss, didn’t see it til now. Will give you an in-depth reply.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 09, 2018, 08:35:23 PM
And judging from your comments it sounds like Jessica Jones May be worth it as well.

What's really awesome about Jessica Jones is...um...let me get back to you.  :justjen

I know! It takes a long time to write out all the really stuff about JJ. It's sooo good.

Yeah, you know, I hadn’t given it a fair chance when I wrote that.  But in the ensuing couple of days, while home with the flu, I watched all of S1, so I can now comment more fully.

Overall take:  On the positive side, it told a good story.  It had interesting characters.  In many ways, it felt real.  They took the seedy underbelly of Hell’s Kitchen and made it somewhat relatable by not dressing it up as something romanticized and good, so it all felt very real.

On the less-than positive side, two major points:  First, the season felt like it plodded.  It was interesting.  But between chasing too many rabbit holes and having too many failed attempts on Killgrave, I just found myself in the last half of the season just wishing it would hurry up and end.  It just became TOO much of:  Killgrave is too powerful and we can’t find him.  But we found him.  And we have a window to take him out.  And just as we’re about to, one character or the other does something stupid and he gets away.  And he becomes MORE powerful {or just more convicted and more understanding of the growing movement to stop him].  And we can’t find him.  [repeat]  This went on far too many times.

Second, while from an artistic point of view, the way they took the seedy underbelly of Hell’s Kitchen and made it somewhat relatable was cool.  And yet, there were just FAR too many moments where I was just grossed out with what was being presented or the manner in which it was being presented.  They just went too far, far too often for my tastes.

Balancing the good and the bad, overall, it told an interesting story.  One particular aspect of it—the subplot issue of Cage’s wife—was handled BRILLIANTLY in just about every facet.  It was never THE issue, but it tied well into a lot of major and minor issues, right down to Jessica’s PTSD, and was a thread that wove its way through pretty much the entire season and so many character motivations.  That one plot point had such resounding impact on so many different character decisions.  It was just brilliant.  The season was a cool watch.  But I don’t think I’ll be watching S2.  And I don’t think I’ll be watching the other related series if they are similarly graphic about some of the issues JJ tackles/portrays.

A few other specific comments:

I hated Jeri.  She was, in many ways, a great cardboard cutout “power lawyer.”  And that made her easily hate-able.  The “1,000 cuts” comeuppance scene was brutally AWESOME.  In the whole Jeri/Pam/Wendy love triangle, none of the three were ultimately very likeable or sympathetic, which made it satisfying when the entire thing fell apart for ALL of them.

Simpson…he was just weird.  In so many ways.  Was it just the drugs that made him so paranoid and delusional?  I don’t understand why HE couldn’t understand that Jessica was out to stop Killgrave.  There was no rational reason for him to keep going rogue and ultimately screwing things up.  Is there more about him that was revealed in the series that, in my flu-induced stupor, I must have just missed?  Or is there more about him in the comics that would have made him make more sense?  Or was he just an idiot?  Is there more backstory about whatever sort of super-soldier drugs he was taking that is fleshed out somewhere else?  I liked him for awhile, but he just became such a royal pain about midway through the season that I kept wishing he would just go away.

The door.  Oh, the door.  :lol  You just knew it was going to happen.  I’ll just leave it at that.

The “supermax” rabbit-hole.  This subplot annoyed me.  And at the same time, I thought it was well done and exposed Jessica’s true desperation at this point in the story.

Episode 8 was really cool.  Just when the season seemed to be going in a different direction and subverting what we thought we knew, it ended up revealing the true colors of some characters in unexpected ways.  The two related major events at the end of the episode—I did not see them coming. 

Nurse Temple.  Her appearance alone was a nice crossover nugget.


K.















Seriously though, too tired to give that the attention it deserves. Out of town this weekend for work but will give it real reply when I’m back with a computer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 10, 2018, 08:41:44 AM
I am a little behind.  I haven't seen Punisher or Daredevil season 3 yet.

The two best seasons of the bunch.
Figures.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on November 12, 2018, 11:59:24 AM
RIP Stan Lee

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stan-lee-marvel-comics-legend-721450
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on November 12, 2018, 12:09:12 PM
RIP Stan Lee

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stan-lee-marvel-comics-legend-721450

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on November 12, 2018, 12:12:04 PM
What a life! Good bye, Stan. Thanks for everything.

Excelsior!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Indiscipline on November 12, 2018, 12:20:33 PM
Two things deeply inspired my youth teaching me to dream, laying the foundations for the free happy person I'm today: music and Marvel comics.

I feel in debt to Mr Lee the same way I am to my father in that regard. Rest in peace.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 12, 2018, 12:42:02 PM
Thanks Stan for your part in shaping my youth, my sense of ethics and morality, and my character. R. I. P.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Bertielee on November 12, 2018, 12:48:07 PM
I've been a fan of Marvel comics for more than 40 years! All of my childhood, teenage youth and most of my adult life! Damn, I knew it would come but it hurts! Thank you, Mr Lee, for making my life so much better when I needed it. RIP. :sad:

B.Lee
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 12:14:12 PM
Just popped in to say:  Luke Cage S1 isn't bad.  Got through a huge chunk of it for the conclusion of my flu-induced binge-watching over the weekend.  The dialog is pretty cringe-inducing in parts.  But I also get that the style is somewhat intentional and is a homage to '70s westerns and cop shows, which the at-times-stilted dialog intends to mimic, so I can forgive and give style points.  Cottonmouth was a GREAT character.  I'm kinda sorry to see him go.  I'm not warming up to Diamondback nearly as much, with three episodes to go. 
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Post by: Adami on November 13, 2018, 12:16:34 PM
Just popped in to say:  Luke Cage S1 isn't bad.  Got through a huge chunk of it for the conclusion of my flu-induced binge-watching over the weekend.  The dialog is pretty cringe-inducing in parts.  But I also get that the style is somewhat intentional and is a homage to '70s westerns and cop shows, which the at-times-stilted dialog intends to mimic, so I can forgive and give style points.  Cottonmouth was a GREAT character.  I'm kinda sorry to see him go.  I'm not warming up to Diamondback nearly as much, with three episodes to go.

Yea, the last few episodes aren't great.

Season 2 was a HUGE improvement. Assuming you're okay with slow character based episodes, and not so much about action and stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
No, I have no problem with slow character development.  It is one of the things that Marvel does well.  Even in the films, as jam-packed as they are, the characters have so much depth because we get to know them over the span of several movies.  From the Netflix shows I have seen so far, the slower pace seems to work just fine.  In fact, there is a LOT in general that works really well in these series.  The only thing I am not crazy about is that they seem to not be able to resist trying SO hard to sexualize EVERYTHING, which I not only find unnecessary, but even offputting. 

Back to the series:  Bobby Fish is such a cool character!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 13, 2018, 12:45:09 PM
Yea, they definitely sexualize the hell out of LC season 1. Good thing I don't drink coffee haha.

And yea, season 2 is a huge up then.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
Good thing I don't drink coffee haha.
:lol  I loved when he asked Claire if she wanted to go get coffee, and her response.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 14, 2018, 07:04:21 AM
Through the first two seasons of Daredevil now. Really dig this show and loved season 2. The Punisher storyline was cool....as well as Electra.

I’m probably just going to Youtibe the cliff notes of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist.....plus I’m understanding they catch you up in their own way on what to know prior to season three so I’ll just roll with that approach. It’s simply too much to try and get through. Especially with my Game of Thrones rewatch on the horizon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 14, 2018, 10:12:59 AM
Through the first two seasons of Daredevil now. Really dig this show and loved season 2. The Punisher storyline was cool....as well as Electra.

I’m probably just going to Youtibe the cliff notes of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist.....plus I’m understanding they catch you up in their own way on what to know prior to season three so I’ll just roll with that approach. It’s simply too much to try and get through. Especially with my Game of Thrones rewatch on the horizon.

I watched DD season 3 before watching any of the other shows, and I thought it was fine.  I don't think there is any significant crossover that makes viewing any of the other shows essential to understanding season 3 of DD.  It is self-contained enough.

I get what you are saying about not having time for the others.  I'm in the same boat.  And my wife isn't into them, which really cuts into my available time to watch them as well.  If not for being in bed with the flu for the better part of 3 days and nights, I wouldn't have watched Jessica Jones or Luke Cage.  That said, if you are not put off by the darkness and gratuitous sexuality, they are both REALLY good.  I wouldn't do a "cliff notes" version of Jessica Jones, in particular.  Season 1 is all about the journey and seeing how and why she does what she does.  To a lesser extent, that is true of Luke Cage as well.  These are very character-driven shows, so merely reading a summary doesn't really give a good feel for what they are about, IMO.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on November 14, 2018, 10:21:23 AM
Through the first two seasons of Daredevil now. Really dig this show and loved season 2. The Punisher storyline was cool....as well as Electra.


Season 3 is great too. It is a slow burn at first, but huge pay off as you move through the middle to the end.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 14, 2018, 10:35:07 AM
Yeah, the first act almost isn't even really about Daredevil.  And that's fine. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 15, 2018, 06:04:32 PM
Through the first two seasons of Daredevil now. Really dig this show and loved season 2. The Punisher storyline was cool....as well as Electra.


Season 3 is great too. It is a slow burn at first, but huge pay off as you move through the middle to the end.

Yeah, the first act almost isn't even really about Daredevil.  And that's fine. 


You guys were right....these first five episodes of season 3 are kind of dark and a slow burn. But I’m digging it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 15, 2018, 06:07:40 PM
Kind of dark?

Oh, child.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
Gary, I only have two words:  episode 8. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 15, 2018, 06:28:08 PM
Gary, I only have two words:  episode 8.

Welp.....that guarantees I’m not going to sleep tonight until I’m done with Episode 8.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 15, 2018, 06:34:19 PM
Gary, I only have two words:  episode 8.

Welp.....that guarantees I’m not going to sleep tonight until I’m done with Episode 8.  :lol

Oh, child.

You ain't sleeping.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 15, 2018, 06:37:17 PM
Gary, I only have two words:  episode 8.

Welp.....that guarantees I’m not going to sleep tonight until I’m done with Episode 8.  :lol

Oh, child.

You ain't sleeping.

Dang it! It’s only fitting. This series has cost me a few good nights of sleep so why not throw another one in there
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 15, 2018, 09:27:20 PM
Starting episode 8.....

 :corn
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Post by: bosk1 on November 15, 2018, 10:35:39 PM
:corn
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on November 16, 2018, 06:10:55 AM
 :corn
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 16, 2018, 08:50:14 AM
OK so I watched through Episode 10. I'm gonna small font my post so I don't ruin anything for anyone:

The only real 'shocker' I gleened from Ep. 8 was the reveal of Matt's mom being Maggie the Nun. Which, I honestly had already started to suspect....it seemed like they were giving clues on that one. The other item could have been when Karen confronted Fisk and told him she killed Wesley...and that she confirmed Fisk's suspicions of Matt being the Daredevil.

Episode 9 was crazy when Agent Nadeem went to his Boss's house and she killed the lead Internal Guy in front of him and it was revealed she and a dozen other agents are under Fisk's control.

And with Episode 10....I did like seeing Karen's background BUT I don't think it was really necessary. I think the majority of us had pieced together the story from the clues and details that have been revealed thus far. I liked that it gave some context and appreciated the episode...thought it was good....but didn't see it being very relevant actually.

For as much as I like this series....which I do like it a lot.....I have an issue with this idea that Matt (daredevil) is having such a hard time defeating this FBI Agent Dex when they battle. Daredevil has fought and defeated trained assassin ninja's and even his mentor and lover who are just as skilled or more skilled than him. But this random FBI guy is somehow now just as or more powerful than him? And, he puts on the daredevil suit and is magically superior? I know they've played up this psychotic rage he has and that he apparently is really accurate throwing things....but I can't buy that he's 'superior' to Matt. What has allowed me to tolerate it is that I'm assuming that Matt isn't fully healed....he has multiple injuries....which is allowing this Dex dude to manhandle him the way he is. He's FBI...not Green Beret or Navy Seals....I'm really struggling with the 'believeability' aspect of that conflict.


I'm sure I'll hammer out the rest of the season either tonight or tomorrow night....can't wait to see where the final few episodes take the story.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 19, 2018, 06:41:46 AM
Finished Season 3 of Daredevil. Really liked the season. I was curious as to if Matt would cross the line of killing Fisk.....and was glad to see they kept that aspect of his character in tact.

Having never read the comic I’ve done a bit of reading since I completed it to try and understand a couple of the characters and the idea behind Dex....looks like he will be Bullseye in future seasons? And, Fisk’s wife in the comic looks to be a villain as well....so I guess she could always still wreak some havoc.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on November 27, 2018, 06:02:09 PM
Russo Bros. are doing a screening of Infinity War tomorrow with a Q&A after, rumor has it the Avenger 4 trailer will be shown then released on Youtube. Screening starts at 9:30 pm EST.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 27, 2018, 06:03:09 PM
That would be cool. Though I feel like every day for the last 2 weeks has been a rumored trailer release date.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: countoftuscany42 on November 27, 2018, 09:00:57 PM
I’ll be at that screening, I’ll be sure to share any juicy details we hear  :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: T-ski on November 29, 2018, 07:48:21 AM
welp, so much for that trailer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2018, 07:19:47 PM
Daredevil officially cancelled.



Honestly I'm okay with this. Seems like the Marvel Netflix shows are over (hoping JJ3 and Punisher 2 are great, sure they will be). I'm happy to see DD go out on such a high note. Would hate for it to return for the sake of it, become meh and then die off.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on November 29, 2018, 07:23:11 PM
Daredevil officially cancelled.



Honestly I'm okay with this. Seems like the Marvel Netflix shows are over (hoping JJ3 and Punisher 2 are great, sure they will be). I'm happy to see DD go out on such a high note. Would hate for it to return for the sake of it, become meh and then die off.

A tad bummed but as you mentioned it went out well.
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Post by: Adami on November 29, 2018, 07:25:39 PM
I do wonder, however, if this will allow them to jump ship to the MCU. They definitely don't need their own movies, but throw them in the other movies.
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Post by: gzarruk on November 29, 2018, 07:29:11 PM
If they're cancelling all the Marvel/Netflix shows, it gives me hope they'll do something with them on their new streaming platform.
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Post by: Adami on November 29, 2018, 07:31:52 PM
If they're cancelling all the Marvel/Netflix shows, it gives me hope they'll do something with them on their new streaming platform.

I'm so torn on this. Iron Fist could do well. But the rest? On a Disney channel? Ehhhhhhhh. I don't see it at all. I would hate to see a Disney friendly version of Daredevil or Jessica Jones.

I guess I should give up hopes of a brutal dark Moon Knight series.
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Post by: gzarruk on November 29, 2018, 07:36:02 PM
I think their move is that all the cash goes straight to Disney and not to Netflix for a Disney-owned franchise. DD did super well the way it is, so I think they'd keep it that way if they decide to bring the characters back.
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Post by: Adami on November 29, 2018, 07:47:35 PM
But Disney, under no circumstance, will release DD or JJ the way they were directly under the Disney logo. It's just not going to happen. Ever.
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Post by: jammindude on November 29, 2018, 08:19:52 PM
But Disney, under no circumstance, will release DD or JJ the way they were directly under the Disney logo. It's just not going to happen. Ever.

They own Deadpool now too.   I don't think they can kill that one.  Too big of a cash cow.   

But when they purchased Marvel, someone within Disney hinted (referring directly to a question about Deadpool) that they were looking at creating a different platform for the Marvel "adult" universe to exist in.    Sortof like what Touchstone used to be for Disney.   They only ripple is that currently, DD, JJ, IF, and LC all exist within the official MCU.   I think that will most likely change.    If they remain as they are, they will be entered into the Deadpool/Venom "unofficial" universe.   
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Post by: Adami on November 29, 2018, 08:24:20 PM
They can do whatever they want movie wise. They probably aren't going to get rid of Fox, they'll just own it too. Disney can release Deadpool or even a porn of Wolverine butt raping Storm, as long as it's under the Fox label.

That's why I'm harping on the Disney label of the streaming service. They're fine doing Daredevil, as long as it's released under the Netflix label.

If they want, they can keep the X-Men universe under the Fox label, have it be separate from the MCU and go R rated as often as they want. Don't forget that Disney owned Miramax when Pulp Fiction was released.
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Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 29, 2018, 09:03:41 PM
Don't forget, Disney owns a big chunk of Hulu and has said that they plan on spending big $$$ investing even deeper into it. Maybe the more adult shows go to Hulu so they can't get too watered down, or at all.

One can hope.

Well, Disney could potentially take near total control of Hulu. They have 60% now and Comcast has 30%. If Comcast sells out to Disney it is pretty much a Disney platform.

https://www.multichannel.com/news/comcast-ready-to-sell-30-hulu-stake-to-disney-report-says
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Post by: Cyclopssss on November 30, 2018, 01:26:22 AM
Damnit! Hate it when I'm right. F*** Disney!  :censored
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on November 30, 2018, 06:10:13 AM
It sounds to me based on what I've previously read that Disney family material (PG-13 and below) will be on Disney+, anything more adult or R-rated will go to Hulu. I hope they keep the 20th Century Fox brand for R-rated theatrical releases.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 30, 2018, 09:39:31 AM
I wouldn't worry so much about the Disney label.  If memory serves, none of the Marvel or Lucasfilm movies have the Disney label attached to them.  They are just owned by Disney.  And all of them are going to be streamed on this new Disney service.

No reason for any shows to be any different.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2018, 09:41:54 AM
Yes, but none of the current MCU or Star Wars movies strays from the boundaries of the Disney mission statement.

The Netflix Marvel shows, especially Daredevil and Jessica Jones are quite far removed from that.

I can also assure you Logan and Deadpool will not be on the streaming service.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 30, 2018, 09:46:32 AM
Yes, but none of the current MCU or Star Wars movies strays from the boundaries of the Disney mission statement.

The Netflix Marvel shows, especially Daredevil and Jessica Jones are quite far removed from that.

I can also assure you Logan and Deadpool will not be on the streaming service.
I wouldn't be so sure.  Bob Iger said not long ago that after the Fox deal goes through, Kevin Feige would be over ALL of the Marvel stuff.  He didn't want there to be two Marvels, one would be enough.

To me, that logic says that all of the Marvel stuff will be together, and since we know that the MCU stuff will be on the new service, it stands to reason that Logan and Deadpool will be also.  Doing otherwise would be having two Marvels.

And that will surely make any of the Netflix shows OK to stream on the new service as well, because they are definitely tamer than Deadpool.

Just my two cents.
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Post by: Adami on November 30, 2018, 09:55:28 AM
Maybe. I just honestly can't imagine finding Logan, Deadpool, or DD on the official Disney Streaming Service.

Unless they just edit the HELL out of them to make them family friendly, which would also be awful.

But can you really picture a family sitting around saying "hey little Timmy, go watch something on the Disney app" and then Deadpool being a viable option? Unless Disney has parental controls, which would seem odd for Disney.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 30, 2018, 11:49:10 AM
I seem to remember them saying that there would be "channels" inside the service, such as the Marvel channel, the Star Wars channel, and the classic Disney film channel, etc.

Maybe warning labels or something will be incorporated into those?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2018, 11:49:44 AM
I seem to remember them saying that there would be "channels" inside the service, such as the Marvel channel, the Star Wars channel, and the classic Disney film channel, etc.

Maybe warning labels or something will be incorporated into those?

I hope so, Hef. For all of our sakes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on December 03, 2018, 10:23:24 AM
Daredevil officially cancelled.



Honestly I'm okay with this. Seems like the Marvel Netflix shows are over (hoping JJ3 and Punisher 2 are great, sure they will be). I'm happy to see DD go out on such a high note. Would hate for it to return for the sake of it, become meh and then die off.

They wrapped DD pretty good with the end of Season 3, so its not like it is an issue that we're waiting for something to happen. But it still sucks. DD was the best (IMO) of all that Marvel stuff. I became a DD fan with it, and it still sits for me well above the others. My fingers are crossed for a DD movie featuring the show's cast. I think it may happen.
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Post by: Adami on December 03, 2018, 11:00:35 AM
Yea, I can't see that happening either. The political crap between the TV and Movie people is so huge apparently that they will likely never cross over unless some major personnel shifts happen.

I can see them rebooting it for Disney, making it much more family friendly, but honestly I say they call it quits. Story was told. Doesn't need to go on forever. So many other characters that work for family friendly audiences that they can do instead of ruining DD or JJ for the sake of keeping it going.
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Post by: Samsara on December 03, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
Good point. I don't want them neutering and recasting for Disney. I wouldn't bother then.

Interesting timing. Daredevil has a new set of writers and artists that begin a new volume of the comic in February. The last issue of the current great run (Vol. 5, which has been going on for a few years) just ended with last week's issue.

I wonder if that is all by design...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 03, 2018, 12:43:56 PM
Everything points to this being solely Netflix call. A producer said they had a writer's room going for a while now and have Season 4 all mapped out. He said that Marvel was shocked by the cancellation.

https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2462637/daredevil-producer-says-marvel-execs-were-stunned-about-netflix-cancelling-the-show

Netflix seems to be honoring existing contracts and then purging anything related to the Mouse House.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on December 03, 2018, 03:50:23 PM
My understanding is that Netflix had the right to renew the various Marvel series, but only at the negotiated rate/# of episodes. Netflix wanted shorter, 6-8 episode seasons due to both cost and quality, and Marvel balked at that.
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Post by: Adami on December 03, 2018, 03:54:05 PM
My understanding is that Netflix had the right to renew the various Marvel series, but only at the negotiated rate/# of episodes. Netflix wanted shorter, 6-8 episode seasons due to both cost and quality, and Marvel balked at that.

Where did you read that?


I have heard, and experienced this myself, that Netflix also basically buried the Marvel shows. From Iron Fist 2 onward, I had to search for the shows specifically. They did not show up in new releases or recommendations or anywhere. Netflix made them very very hard to find for a lot of us.
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Post by: gzarruk on December 03, 2018, 04:08:49 PM
My understanding is that Netflix had the right to renew the various Marvel series, but only at the negotiated rate/# of episodes. Netflix wanted shorter, 6-8 episode seasons due to both cost and quality, and Marvel balked at that.

I heard the same thing on Emergency Awesome.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 03, 2018, 04:35:50 PM
My understanding is that Netflix had the right to renew the various Marvel series, but only at the negotiated rate/# of episodes. Netflix wanted shorter, 6-8 episode seasons due to both cost and quality, and Marvel balked at that.

Where did you read that?


I have heard, and experienced this myself, that Netflix also basically buried the Marvel shows. From Iron Fist 2 onward, I had to search for the shows specifically. They did not show up in new releases or recommendations or anywhere. Netflix made them very very hard to find for a lot of us.

Ever try the "Search" feature?   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 03, 2018, 04:52:45 PM
Do I look like I do my own work?

I have minions for that!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on December 03, 2018, 04:58:14 PM
Seriously strong rumours A4 and Captain Marvel trailers this week - one tonight during MNF, and the other on Wednesday.
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Post by: The Trooper on December 03, 2018, 06:07:09 PM
Capt. Marvel at half time tonite. Avengers 4 on Good Morning America Wednesday morning
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 03, 2018, 06:10:18 PM
I know Captain Marvel is confirmed. Is A4 confirmed?


Two thoughts on A4.

1) I'm having doubts the movie is real. Could be a prank.

2) Do they even need a trailer? Seriously. All you need is "AVENGERS (whatever) COMING (whenever)" That's it. Still will make over a billion dollars. No need to show a single clip of the movie, especially not the 15-20 minutes of the movie they will inevitably show in trailers/tv spots. This is one of those movies that is just money in the bank. No marketing push necessary.
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Post by: The Trooper on December 03, 2018, 07:57:31 PM
Captain Marvel trailer#2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2iolY9ka5Y
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 03, 2018, 08:12:00 PM
Badass.  Love the classic look.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on December 03, 2018, 08:36:47 PM
LOVED the trailer.   It was just the right amount of "give away" too.   Because even though I have a rough idea of the basic plot, it gives away absolutely nothing about how it will fit into the larger MCU.

I felt the same about A4....I think they should just have another teaser and forego the traditional trailer altogether.   If anything, it would just raise the anticipation.   

I keep waiting for the MCU to misfire, and I just don't think it's going to happen in the near future.    I'm positive they will have to have a dud at some point.    But at the same time, I have a feeling that A4 will be sortof "end of an era".      Like the Score show was for DT.   It's just going to be THAT big of an event, and that big of a turning point.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on December 04, 2018, 07:25:15 AM
Captain Marvel trailer#2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2iolY9ka5Y

Can't f*cking wait  :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 04, 2018, 07:26:51 AM
Trailer looked awesome.

I'm hoping they don't do an A4 trailer anytime soon to be honest. I'd hate for people to so quickly move on from Captain Marvel. Plus the movie is 6 freakin months away. Give it time.


Also loved the appearance of Chewie.
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Post by: Orbert on December 04, 2018, 08:36:05 AM
Wait, what?  Captain Marvel is Kree?  Nick Fury with no eye patch?  Is this a prequel-ish... thing?

This is why I usually don't watch trailers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 04, 2018, 08:48:24 AM
Wait, what?  Captain Marvel is Kree?  Nick Fury with no eye patch?  Is this a prequel-ish... thing?

This is why I usually don't watch trailers.

Set in the 90's.

I won't answer the Captain Marvel being Kree thing cause it might be spoilery.
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Post by: Orbert on December 04, 2018, 11:23:39 AM
prequel-ish... thing?

Set in the 90's.


Ah.  :tup
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Post by: Dream Team on December 04, 2018, 12:33:12 PM
Trailer looked awesome.

I'm hoping they don't do an A4 trailer anytime soon to be honest. I'd hate for people to so quickly move on from Captain Marvel. Plus the movie is 6 freakin months away. Give it time.


Also loved the appearance of Chewie.

Yeah, it'd just mean 6 months of torture when the trailer inevitably looks awesome.
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Post by: The Trooper on December 04, 2018, 06:14:52 PM
Avengers 4 trailer put of till Friday morning on Good Morning America so they can cover President Bush funeral.
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Post by: Adami on December 04, 2018, 09:08:10 PM
Looks like Chewie has been changed to Goose for the film.

Cool with that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on December 04, 2018, 09:51:22 PM
Avengers 4 trailer put of till Friday morning on Good Morning America so they can cover President Bush funeral.

They consider that more important than A4? Major fail.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 07, 2018, 06:10:39 AM
It's out!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA6hldpSTF8

Excellent teaser trailer.
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Post by: gzarruk on December 07, 2018, 06:18:29 AM
This seriously blew my mind :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on December 07, 2018, 06:32:09 AM
That was so cool.

I never realized this based on only seeing Infinity War once and how all of the characters were split up throughout the film....the original six Avengers all survived Infinity War.

Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye

That's pretty damn cool to have the original group come together once again in this film, and rather ominous given that we all expect at least one of them to be completely killed off in these films. 
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Post by: Adami on December 07, 2018, 07:02:19 AM
Love it. Perfect tone setting. General idea and not much more.

Little worried about the release date. Less than 2 months after Captain Marvel. Not much time.
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Post by: Indiscipline on December 07, 2018, 07:19:46 AM
Drum sound improved,  too much processed vocals.

Oh, wait ...
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Post by: Polarbear on December 07, 2018, 07:21:37 AM
Super excited! Great title! :tup

Love it. Perfect tone setting. General idea and not much more.

Little worried about the release date. Less than 2 months after Captain Marvel. Not much time.

I don't think the release date is going to matter much TBH. People will lineup to see this anyway.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 07, 2018, 08:26:25 AM
Fantastic teaser!  Cannot wait for this!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 07, 2018, 09:23:12 AM
Question for the die hard Marvel fans. Do you think they'll 'happy ending'  A4 where it all kind of resets and nullifies what Thanos did or will it be some sort of 'in between' where the fans get some sort of relief from their 'pain' of the massive loss of the cool characters....or they just roll with it and leave it as is....those characters are dead and gone and now it's just about killing/defeating Thanos?

I'm a fairly 'new' fan as I only watched a couple of the Marvel movies in full and relied on a couple of the 'everything you need to know about...' Youtube recaps before I watched Infinity War with the kiddos. I'm just curious as to if they'll find a way to bring those vanished characters back or not. It feels like they will.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 07, 2018, 09:51:09 AM
Love it. Perfect tone setting. General idea and not much more.

Agreed.  VERY good teaser.  It simultaneously has me very excited and also completely in the dark about where this is going.  The title also seems very fitting without giving too much away as well.

You know, I have to say that of all the MCU films, the four Avengers films this far REALLY stand out for having great trailers.  For example, say what you will about Age of Ultron, but the trailers for that REALLY built up anticipation.  They made you feel that the stakes were high.  They were eerie and ominous.  They showed you a lot without showing you a lot.  Just well done.  Then the Infinity War trailers.  Yeah, they showed a LOT of content.  But given that we knew a lot of what was basically going to happen anyway, they really didn't, at the same time.  But I felt like they were pretty effective at generating anticipation.  This one definitely follows in the footsteps of some very good trailers.  But it perhaps does better in giving very little for all the theorists out there to use to generate 40-minute long "easter egg" theory videos.

Question for the die hard Marvel fans. Do you think they'll 'happy ending'  A4 where it all kind of resets and nullifies what Thanos did or will it be some sort of 'in between' where the fans get some sort of relief from their 'pain' of the massive loss of the cool characters....or they just roll with it and leave it as is....those characters are dead and gone and now it's just about killing/defeating Thanos?

Purely a guess on my part (well, duh!), but here's my take:  We know there are sequels planned for some of the characters that vanished.  So at least some will need to come back.  By the same token, simply "undoing" the snap (I hate referring to it as the "snap," but that's a conversation for another time) kind of lowers the stakes and cheapens the last film.  So I tend to think that what will happen will be something along the lines of the remaining heroes finding a way to somewhat "undo" what was done and find a way to "win" in the long haul, but only at some other great sacrifice.  It has to hurt in order to truly have any impact.  And I think this theory is somewhat supported by what we know about the films already.  I think it's not a coincidence that the "endgame" terminology comes from chess.  And in most classic chess matches, getting to the "endgame" generally entails some sort of gambit that entails sacrificing VERY valuable, key pieces in order to turn the tide and snatch away the win.  I think we're going to see something like that in Endgame.  And I subjectively speculate that it will entail one or some of the original avengers losing their own lives, but something else as well (no idea what that is).  That's my guess.

Drum sound improved,  too much processed vocals.

Oh, wait ...

:lol
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Post by: gzarruk on December 07, 2018, 09:53:36 AM
They’ll definitely bring the vanished characters back, just that not all of them will remain alive at the end of the film. There’s no way people like Spider Man, Dr. Strange and Black Panther stay “dead” when they all have sequels, and billions of dollars, coming in the following years.

EDIT: Ninja’d by Bosk.
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Post by: Dream Team on December 07, 2018, 09:54:28 AM
It is possible to write characters out of a series without killing them off. That would be a nice change.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on December 07, 2018, 09:56:13 AM
The core / original storyline in the Infinity comic trilogy did 'undue' the snap (or as it's now officially called... The Decimation), so I suspect that's the .... Endgame  :lol in the movie too.  I do think at least IM and Cap will die-die here though - in sacrifice to save the universe.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on December 07, 2018, 10:01:11 AM
Drum sound improved,  too much processed vocals.

Oh, wait ...

I love you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 07, 2018, 10:07:46 AM
simply "undoing" the snap (I hate referring to it as the "snap," but that's a conversation for another time) kind of lowers the stakes and cheapens the last film. 

I was thinking along those lines. They've done such a good job at making these movies....rendering the results of 'the snap' null and void would seem to....like you said.....cheapen the last film.

I'd agree with you and others when you suggest there will be some sort of 'middle' ground found. And, I have no reason to believe it won't be done in a pretty good fashion that isn't just a quick and easy way out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 07, 2018, 10:14:41 AM
I never go to midnight showings because I am boring and lame... But I will be there for this one. This will be a pretty significant cultural event. Eleven years of build up, and you know that the MCU is probably going to look quite different afterwards. Can't wait!
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Post by: bosk1 on December 07, 2018, 10:16:22 AM
I'm not sure I will go out of my way to be such a "completist" with the MCU after this phase.  It is growing and growing, and I'm not sure I really want to follow everything that will follow.  But we'll see.  Either way, I have really enjoyed most of it so far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on December 07, 2018, 10:18:43 AM
I never go to midnight showings because I am boring and lame... But I will be there for this one. This will be a pretty significant cultural event. Eleven years of build up, and you know that the MCU is probably going to look quite different afterwards. Can't wait!

This and the fact that the more time that passes after the release, the more chances to get HUGE spoilers in social media  :eek
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on December 07, 2018, 10:38:05 AM
Oh Fuck Yeah!!   :omg:

That was sweet.  I'm still going back and forth on whether I watch trailers, but I took a chance on this one and Holy Shit!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 07, 2018, 11:27:40 AM
Agreed.  I do wonder a bit about why Tony is seemingly stranded in space.  Since he was with Nebula, and she survived the snap, I would presume that she would have the knowhow/ability to get him home, or at least to some civilized corner of the galaxy.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 07, 2018, 11:33:09 AM
Agreed.  I do wonder a bit about why Tony is seemingly stranded in space.  Since he was with Nebula, and she survived the snap, I would presume that she would have the knowhow/ability to get him home, or at least to some civilized corner of the galaxy.  Interesting.

She’s not the most compassionate person.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 07, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
Agreed.  I do wonder a bit about why Tony is seemingly stranded in space.  Since he was with Nebula, and she survived the snap, I would presume that she would have the knowhow/ability to get him home, or at least to some civilized corner of the galaxy.  Interesting.

She’s not the most compassionate person.

True, but...I dunno, I figure she and Tony want the same thing though in terms of going after Thanos.  I'm not overly concerns because that will obviously be dealt with in the film.  I'm just pointing out that, from what little we know, I find it curious that he is stranded in space to begin with.  Speaking of, I now feel an overwhelming compulsion to listen to Satellite 15/The Final Frontier.  bbl
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Trooper on December 07, 2018, 11:57:03 AM
Perfect trailer /tease. Not much given away, I will stay away from any other future trailers. But the last part of the trailer to me is the most interesting with Ant Man.
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Post by: lonestar on December 07, 2018, 01:04:46 PM
But the last part of the trailer to me is the most interesting with Ant Man.

So much this. I really wish I had more nerdy friends here to hash this out with in real time, but the speculation on how he got from quantum space to the front door of Avengers building is running me batty.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 07, 2018, 01:11:23 PM
But the last part of the trailer to me is the most interesting with Ant Man.

So much this. I really wish I had more nerdy friends here to hash this out with in real time, but the speculation on how he got from quantum space to the front door of Avengers building is running me batty.

My theory....




Based on the behind the scenes photos, maybe he travels through time quite a bit. Photos of him in the battle of New York, and promises of other past events. Maybe he goes through time to get to that scene and has a good amount of info or something.
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Post by: Adami on December 07, 2018, 02:55:23 PM
Super excited! Great title! :tup

Love it. Perfect tone setting. General idea and not much more.

Little worried about the release date. Less than 2 months after Captain Marvel. Not much time.

I don't think the release date is going to matter much TBH. People will lineup to see this anyway.

My concern is more for the movies before and after. It's like 2 months or less between all the Marvel movies next year. And when the HUGE one is in the middle, it will cannibalize the other two.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 07, 2018, 03:27:42 PM
But the last part of the trailer to me is the most interesting with Ant Man.

So much this. I really wish I had more nerdy friends here to hash this out with in real time, but the speculation on how he got from quantum space to the front door of Avengers building is running me batty.

My theory....




Based on the behind the scenes photos, maybe he travels through time quite a bit. Photos of him in the battle of New York, and promises of other past events. Maybe he goes through time to get to that scene and has a good amount of info or something.

Could be.  But I would guess he shows up there just after escaping the quantum realm, either by figuring it out on his own, or somehow being aided by events related to Captain Marvel, and then goes time/dimension traveling after this scene.  But I guess we'll see.
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Post by: The Trooper on December 07, 2018, 04:08:10 PM
But the last part of the trailer to me is the most interesting with Ant Man.

So much this. I really wish I had more nerdy friends here to hash this out with in real time, but the speculation on how he got from quantum space to the front door of Avengers building is running me batty.

Me too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 07, 2018, 04:51:57 PM
Agreed.  I do wonder a bit about why Tony is seemingly stranded in space.  Since he was with Nebula, and she survived the snap, I would presume that she would have the knowhow/ability to get him home, or at least to some civilized corner of the galaxy.  Interesting.

Upon further reflection...and further viewing of the trailer (I hate that I have now watched it a bunch of times), when they briefly show Nebula, it looks like she is also on the Milano (I am assuming it is the Milano, anyway--it looks like it, and it would have been on Titan to have gotten the Guardians there in the first place).  I'm just...I guess I'm kind of surprised that they apparently didn't have enough fuel to get to someplace to fuel up all the way.  Or maybe it got damaged from Thanos raining down chunks of moon all over the place.  Who knows?  But, yeah, it looks like Nebula and Tony are probably together, even though they aren't shown in the same shot in the trailer.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 07, 2018, 04:56:23 PM
And Nebula can probably survive, because she's mostly mechanical. It's unclear if she actually has to breath.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on December 08, 2018, 04:24:28 PM
Should we have to call him Hawkeye or Ronin? Man, that scene was PERFECT!
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Post by: gzarruk on December 08, 2018, 07:33:38 PM
Should we have to call him Hawkeye or Ronin? Man, that scene was PERFECT!

My guess is that his family got dusted and he went bananas :eek
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Post by: MinistroRaven on December 08, 2018, 08:35:01 PM
Good point
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 09, 2018, 04:27:23 AM
Should we have to call him Hawkeye or Ronin? Man, that scene was PERFECT!

My guess is that his family got dusted and he went bananas :eek

D'ya think? 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2018, 06:43:46 PM
Not MCU...........yet.........but the new commercial for Once Upon a Deadpool is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aGXNQ-3EQc
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Post by: King Postwhore on December 10, 2018, 07:38:00 PM
 :lol


Amazing.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 10, 2018, 08:39:58 PM
That was fantastic. Juno Awards don't count, btw.  This is coming from a Canadian. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on December 11, 2018, 09:46:03 AM
Finally watched Deadpool 2 the other day.

I don't know.  I like the idea of a character breaking the fourth wall, and I find a lot of things about the tone pretty amusing, like constant F-bombs and graphic violence against a backdrop of cheesy Air Supply songs and shit like that, or other things that you really don't expect from a Marvel property.  But a couple of times I found myself thinking that he's winking just a few more times than necessary, that maybe it would be nice to just, you know, watch a movie, without being constantly reminded that it's a movie, that it's being made to entertain, that he's doing everything he can think of to entertain, and that all this schtick is funny.  The first one worked because it was novel.  This time he couldn't just do more of the same, so he gave us more of the same but took it farther and more often, which isn't really the answer.

Plus, Vanessa.  Sorry, but if that was supposed to be a shocker... okay, it was, but it also sucked half the life out of the movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 12, 2018, 07:26:32 PM
So it’s being reported that Netflix had a clause in their contract with marvel that those characters couldn’t appear in any non Netflix-Marvel shows for two years after cancellation. Guess that explains why they didn’t show in movies and that they won’t be showing up anywhere anytime soon.
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Post by: gzarruk on December 12, 2018, 07:57:22 PM
So it’s being reported that Netflix had a clause in their contract with marvel that those characters couldn’t appear in any non Netflix-Marvel shows for two years after cancellation. Guess that explains why they didn’t show in movies and that they won’t be showing up anywhere anytime soon.

That's unexpected and sad :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 13, 2018, 07:40:23 AM
So it’s being reported that Netflix had a clause in their contract with marvel that those characters couldn’t appear in any non Netflix-Marvel shows for two years after cancellation. Guess that explains why they didn’t show in movies and that they won’t be showing up anywhere anytime soon.

That's unexpected and sad :-\

Yeah, I saw this too. Really not happy about that.
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Post by: Zook on December 13, 2018, 12:49:10 PM
That's like that no compete clause WWE has in their contracts. "You're fired. Enjoy 90 days without income."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 13, 2018, 12:56:25 PM
So it’s being reported that Netflix had a clause in their contract with marvel that those characters couldn’t appear in any non Netflix-Marvel shows for two years after cancellation. Guess that explains why they didn’t show in movies and that they won’t be showing up anywhere anytime soon.

That's unexpected and sad :-\

Yeah, I saw this too. Really not happy about that.

I would think that with the amount of $$$ that Disney has....if they REALLY wanted those characters to be involved in a movie/series prior to them being free from any prior contract with Netflix.....they'd find a way to make it happen.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 13, 2018, 01:03:32 PM
Pretty sure Disney doesn’t see those characters as SUCH a need that they’ll spend tons of money to get them. They’re fine waiting.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 13, 2018, 01:22:10 PM
Pretty sure Disney doesn’t see those characters as SUCH a need that they’ll spend tons of money to get them. They’re fine waiting.

I agree. I was just saying that if they really wanted to make something with them in it prior to the contract expiring....they'd find a way.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 14, 2018, 02:16:22 PM
I just realized something about the Endgame trailer.  This isn't spoilery, but I am fairly certain this is true, and it is in direction contradiction to what the trailer wants viewers to think.  Using tiny font for people who wouldn't want to have figured this out, in the (IMO, very likely) event this ends up being true:

I think the footage of Scott in the trailer's stinger is NOT Scott after escaping the quantum realm.  Rather, it is from before he went there in the first place.  If I had to guess, I would say it is in the short timeframe between him being released from house arrest and the time we see him go into the quantum realm in the end-credits scene.  But it doesn't really matter either way.  So, contrary to what the Endgame trailer seems to want us to think, I don't think at all that that scene indicates that Scott escapes the quantum realm all on his own and shows up to save the day.
 That scene is made out in the trailer to be HIGHLY significant.  But it would not surprise me at all if it isn't really significant at all, or if its significance is something completely different than what the trailer implies. 


A couple of other things I thought of:

Something is up with Tony's armor.  The suit he has is nanotech.  From everything we saw of it in Infinity War, it seemed like any damage could almost-instantly be repaired, provided there were sufficient nanoparts to cover that damaged area.  So...why does the helmet Tony uses to record his message to Pepper appear to be so damaged and battered?  Something different appears to have happened rather than Tony just being stranded on Benatar immediately after Infinity War.

And
Not related to the trailer, but...regarding the time stone:  In the months after Infinity War, I have seen people note that the stone was glowing when Strange gave it to Thanos, indicating that it was somehow activated and doing something.  I'm not so sure, but let's roll with that idea for a second.  The theories I have seen about that are along the lines of the stone itself traveling through time, so that another version is sent backward or forward to some other point in time so that it could be given to the Avengers to stop Thanos.  I have a slightly more mundane possible explanation.  The stone was being used, but not for time travel--at least, not in the same sense.  Going back to Strange viewing the 14 million scenarios, maybe what he was doing was actively using the stone at that point to continue viewing the scenarios so that he could continue guiding everything down the correct path that led to the only winning outcome.  So, if true, he was actually using the stone to "travel," but not in reverse or at an accelerated pace or whatever.  But was using it more to navigate through time at normal speed down all the branching possibilities and stay on the one path he wanted.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 14, 2018, 05:29:51 PM
I just realized something about the Endgame trailer.  This isn't spoilery, but I am fairly certain this is true, and it is in direction contradiction to what the trailer wants viewers to think.  Using tiny font for people who wouldn't want to have figured this out, in the (IMO, very likely) event this ends up being true:

I think the footage of Scott in the trailer's stinger is NOT Scott after escaping the quantum realm.  Rather, it is from before he went there in the first place.  If I had to guess, I would say it is in the short timeframe between him being released from house arrest and the time we see him go into the quantum realm in the end-credits scene.  But it doesn't really matter either way.  So, contrary to what the Endgame trailer seems to want us to think, I don't think at all that that scene indicates that Scott escapes the quantum realm all on his own and shows up to save the day.
 That scene is made out in the trailer to be HIGHLY significant.  But it would not surprise me at all if it isn't really significant at all, or if its significance is something completely different than what the trailer implies. 


A couple of other things I thought of:

Something is up with Tony's armor.  The suit he has is nanotech.  From everything we saw of it in Infinity War, it seemed like any damage could almost-instantly be repaired, provided there were sufficient nanoparts to cover that damaged area.  So...why does the helmet Tony uses to record his message to Pepper appear to be so damaged and battered?  Something different appears to have happened rather than Tony just being stranded on Benatar immediately after Infinity War.

And
Not related to the trailer, but...regarding the time stone:  In the months after Infinity War, I have seen people note that the stone was glowing when Strange gave it to Thanos, indicating that it was somehow activated and doing something.  I'm not so sure, but let's roll with that idea for a second.  The theories I have seen about that are along the lines of the stone itself traveling through time, so that another version is sent backward or forward to some other point in time so that it could be given to the Avengers to stop Thanos.  I have a slightly more mundane possible explanation.  The stone was being used, but not for time travel--at least, not in the same sense.  Going back to Strange viewing the 14 million scenarios, maybe what he was doing was actively using the stone at that point to continue viewing the scenarios so that he could continue guiding everything down the correct path that led to the only winning outcome.  So, if true, he was actually using the stone to "travel," but not in reverse or at an accelerated pace or whatever.  But was using it more to navigate through time at normal speed down all the branching possibilities and stay on the one path he wanted.

I'll reply with 1, 2 and 3 to make my job easier and cause I'm lazy.

1) When they see Scott, they looked completely shocked to see him and wonder if the video is several years old. I don't think they'd have that kind of response if it was before the halfening. After the snap, they just assumed he had died too, which is evidenced by his picture being on that list with Spider-man of people who died. So I feel like he's showing up after he went on a pretty interesting journey himself.

2) Nanotech is not impervious. After the fight with Thanos, his suit was BADLY damaged. It can't regenerate forever. It regenerated a lot during the fight, but then ran out of steam at the end. So it makes sense seeing the helmet all messed up.

3) Maybe, but I think we're just seeing a stone that happens to glow. I doubt it had any meaning or significance.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on December 14, 2018, 07:03:28 PM
I agree with Adami ... as is the case in almost all things Marvel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on December 14, 2018, 08:13:58 PM
So, not MCU, but Into the Spiderverse is awesome. One of the best superhero movies ever.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Podaar on December 14, 2018, 08:28:45 PM
I just realized something about the Endgame trailer.  This isn't spoilery, but I am fairly certain this is true, and it is in direction contradiction to what the trailer wants viewers to think.  Using tiny font for people who wouldn't want to have figured this out, in the (IMO, very likely) event this ends up being true:

I think the footage of Scott in the trailer's stinger is NOT Scott after escaping the quantum realm.  Rather, it is from before he went there in the first place.  If I had to guess, I would say it is in the short timeframe between him being released from house arrest and the time we see him go into the quantum realm in the end-credits scene.  But it doesn't really matter either way.  So, contrary to what the Endgame trailer seems to want us to think, I don't think at all that that scene indicates that Scott escapes the quantum realm all on his own and shows up to save the day.
 That scene is made out in the trailer to be HIGHLY significant.  But it would not surprise me at all if it isn't really significant at all, or if its significance is something completely different than what the trailer implies. 


A couple of other things I thought of:

Something is up with Tony's armor.  The suit he has is nanotech.  From everything we saw of it in Infinity War, it seemed like any damage could almost-instantly be repaired, provided there were sufficient nanoparts to cover that damaged area.  So...why does the helmet Tony uses to record his message to Pepper appear to be so damaged and battered?  Something different appears to have happened rather than Tony just being stranded on Benatar immediately after Infinity War.

And
Not related to the trailer, but...regarding the time stone:  In the months after Infinity War, I have seen people note that the stone was glowing when Strange gave it to Thanos, indicating that it was somehow activated and doing something.  I'm not so sure, but let's roll with that idea for a second.  The theories I have seen about that are along the lines of the stone itself traveling through time, so that another version is sent backward or forward to some other point in time so that it could be given to the Avengers to stop Thanos.  I have a slightly more mundane possible explanation.  The stone was being used, but not for time travel--at least, not in the same sense.  Going back to Strange viewing the 14 million scenarios, maybe what he was doing was actively using the stone at that point to continue viewing the scenarios so that he could continue guiding everything down the correct path that led to the only winning outcome.  So, if true, he was actually using the stone to "travel," but not in reverse or at an accelerated pace or whatever.  But was using it more to navigate through time at normal speed down all the branching possibilities and stay on the one path he wanted.

I'll reply with 1, 2 and 3 to make my job easier and cause I'm lazy.

1) When they see Scott, they looked completely shocked to see him and wonder if the video is several years old. I don't think they'd have that kind of response if it was before the halfening. After the snap, they just assumed he had died too, which is evidenced by his picture being on that list with Spider-man of people who died. So I feel like he's showing up after he went on a pretty interesting journey himself.

2) Nanotech is not impervious. After the fight with Thanos, his suit was BADLY damaged. It can't regenerate forever. It regenerated a lot during the fight, but then ran out of steam at the end. So it makes sense seeing the helmet all messed up.

3) Maybe, but I think we're just seeing a stone that happens to glow. I doubt it had any meaning or significance.

In reference to point 1)

It appears that the video of Scott says "Strat 1983: Archive" in the upper left hand corner
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on December 15, 2018, 04:48:19 AM
Ok... all this tiny font is killing me.  I don't think this is at all spoilery, so in response to Gregg... I've heard and seen the "archive" point.  But it can't be back in the year you mention - the facility wasn't even built.  I'm still a little stumped at Cap's question of "Is this old footage"?  Because it doesn't look like Cap/Nat have aged.  My guess is it might be a few months/years post-Decimation.  Not even sure if it is OLD footage, though I did take note of all the "leaves" lying on the ground ... perhaps everyone's remains?  Could it somehow be immediately after the Decimation?  Perhaps he's been time-vortexing around for a while, but found a way to come out at exactly the moment he went in to the Quantum Realm?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 23, 2018, 09:34:27 AM
Watching season 2 of Runaways right now.


.......huge meh so far, about 5 episodes in. Some good moments, but it really feels like the writers either did not want to be doing this show, or just had no idea what to do with anyone or anything. Which sucks, cause I've read (I think) all of the Runaways comics thus far and there's so much potential that they're just squandering for needless melodrama.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on December 24, 2018, 08:53:00 AM
8 Episodes in to Season 2 of Runaways and I'd put it around the same quality as season 1 of Iron Fist.

What a major let down.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on December 24, 2018, 09:39:43 AM
Watched the first 3 episodes of DD Season 3 yesterday.  Hoping to fit a few more in today.   Excellent so far. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 24, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
Watched the first 3 episodes of DD Season 3 yesterday.  Hoping to fit a few more in today.   Excellent so far.

Man, season 3 it’s really excellent.
Last episode it’s my favorite, never thought it would unfold like it did.
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Post by: Adami on December 25, 2018, 05:42:49 PM
Okay, finished season 2 of Runaways.




Feel free to skip it. Quite bad.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on December 25, 2018, 06:17:50 PM
Thanks for taking one for the team.   :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on December 25, 2018, 06:52:50 PM
Thanks for taking one for the team.   :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on December 26, 2018, 01:42:34 AM
I'll probably still check it out as 1. I've seen season 1 and I don't like to abandon a show unless I no longer enjoy watching it, and 2. I like Iron Fist season 1.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 26, 2018, 09:21:59 AM
Just started Agents of SHIELD s. 5 last night.  Very different.  With as much as the series and the MCU are dealing with the Kree in increasing detail and frequency, it is tough to see how these two branches of the Marvel family can keep ignoring each other without creating gaping plot holes and/or contradictions.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Cyclopssss on December 27, 2018, 08:19:01 AM
AOS 5 is Outstanding, as is the whole show. Prepare for some ouch and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on December 27, 2018, 09:15:34 AM
AOS 5 is Outstanding, as is the whole show. Prepare for some ouch and enjoy the ride.

And it has a lot of twists and turns that will leave you :o :omg:
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Post by: jammindude on December 27, 2018, 10:03:53 PM
OMG THE END OF EPISODE 8 OF DD3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 28, 2018, 06:19:28 AM
OMG THE END OF EPISODE 8 OF DD3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 28, 2018, 01:36:31 PM
AOS 5 is Outstanding, as is the whole show. Prepare for some ouch and enjoy the ride.

As of last night, we are through episode 4.  A few stray thoughts:

-Sintara...I cannot help but wonder whether she is truly Kasius' enforcer, or whether she has her own agenda that may be contrary to his and is just playing along.  And if the latter, is her agenda benevolent to the humans or otherwise?  She is a cool character, despite reminding me too much of a na-vi because of her appearance. 

-Mac still annoys me, but is somewhat redeeming himself this season. 

-The interrogation of Jemma and Daisy...As soon as it started, I had hoped that there would be the..."ability" for it to happen the way it did.  As soon as Jemma started talking, I knew what was going on.  :tup

-The reveal at the end...wow!  Didn't see that coming.  I know from the title that the next episode is a shift in the timeline, so I suspect the reveal will be partially explained. 

-I am curious whether or not the origin of the roaches is ever explained.

These next couple are potentially spoilery for any who are right at the very beginning, so...

The only thing that is bothering me a bit thus far is the suspension of belief over that big chunk of earth still having an atmosphere, somewhat normal gravity, etc.  I'm all for suspension of belief in the name of fun, but that's a hard one to get past. 

I didn't realize at first that the Lighthouse was actually attached to the big fragment.  I assumed it was a space station or large ship.  I'm going to have to go back and rewatch that first flight that May and Jemma take.  Is it either intentionally vague and very well done that you can't tell where they take off from until the big reveal?  Or is it vague because it is poorly done?  I'm not sure.

Do they ever explain the origin of the roaches?  I'm curious about that.
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Post by: Orbert on December 28, 2018, 08:54:45 PM
The whole story arc with Kasius and Sintara is pretty good stuff, some of the best AoS there is.  Each of the characters gets to do some pretty crazy stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on December 31, 2018, 09:28:10 AM
Got in 4 more episodes (I thought we'd do more, but, you know, life).  Just...wow!  I was under the impression that the series kind of took a nose dive this season.  But not in a million years.  This next episode may be my single favorite episode in the entire series from any season.

Rewind was awesome.  Fitz totally shines here, and his grappling with the nature and extent of his own dark side really highlights all that is good about this character.  Which is really what hte theme of this episode is all about, so it shouldn't really be surprising.  But it is just so well done.
 "Release the ferrets!" had to be one of the funniest lines in the series.  And that said, I think the comedy this season as a whole has really been some of the show's best.  In such a dark, bleak sorty line, it is much needed, but would be easy to over do.  I don't think they overdo it at all, and it usually hits the mark.  Major props for the Star Wars humor toward the end as well.
Enoch is a really cool character.
Love the Robin payoff!
And...I never really liked Hunter at all.  But he was fantastic as well.

Not going to go episode-by-episode for the rest.  But some stray thoughts for this collective bunch:
-I like where the Kasius/Sintara arc is going, despite that I guess she apparently isn't acting on some hidden personal agenda as I had hoped.  I like how they took out Kasius' brother and his enforcer.
-So...time loop where destruction of the earth is inevitable and cannot be avoided.  ...except that they obviously WILL find a way to break it.  Surprisingly good way to keep the stakes high in both timelines.
-Speaking of which, seeing Yo-yo lose her faith in the returned-to-the-present timeline was soul crushing.  :(
-And also speaking of which, obviously the extinction level quake is going to have something to do with the gravitonium and not Daisy.  Which I guess is why/how they will be able to break the cycle.  But after doing so, they need to still have her referred to as "Destroyer of Worlds."  Just because.
-And I'm betting that the roaches are the mutated descendants of the ferrets.  Just because closure.  Okay, I'm not "betting" on it.  But part of me is hoping.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on January 01, 2019, 08:08:27 AM
Aw yeah

https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1080117007188672512
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on January 01, 2019, 09:07:00 AM
Aw yeah

https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1080117007188672512

I know it’ll get cancelled anyway, so I’m not too excited this time :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 01, 2019, 09:22:48 AM
Aw yeah

https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1080117007188672512

I know it’ll get cancelled anyway, so I’m not too excited this time :-\

So because there's no season 3, there's no point in being excited for season 2?

If it looks good, I get excited. A short good show is much better than a show that turns meh because it keeps going.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on January 01, 2019, 09:47:11 AM
I'd gather that'll be the last of the Netflix series from marvel
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 01, 2019, 09:47:38 AM
I'd gather that'll be the last of the Netflix series from marvel

JJ season 3 is still to come.

But yea, then that's it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on January 01, 2019, 12:07:31 PM
JJ S3 will be out before Punisher I think.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on January 01, 2019, 01:20:55 PM
JJ S3 will be out before Punisher I think.
Nope. Punisher is this month I think, JJ hasn't got a date yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 01, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
JJ S3 will be out before Punisher I think.
Nope. Punisher is this month I think, JJ hasn't got a date yet.

Correct. Weird to still not have a P2 date since it’s this month.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on January 01, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
I found out a long time ago that the mechanic from Adventures in Babysitting ("Thor") and Edgar (The Bug) from Men in Black were the same actor.   And that freaked me out back then. 

....but today I just found out that that same guy is Wilson Fisk in the Daredevil series, and now my mind is completely blown anew.    :omg:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on January 02, 2019, 08:50:30 AM
I found out a long time ago that the mechanic from Adventures in Babysitting ("Thor") and Edgar (The Bug) from Men in Black were the same actor.   And that freaked me out back then. 

....but today I just found out that that same guy is Wilson Fisk in the Daredevil series, and now my mind is completely blown anew.    :omg:

Vincent D'Onofrio has also played Pvt. "Pyle" in Full Metal Jacket, and the lead detective in Law & Order: Criminal Intent. Quite the chameleon, he is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 02, 2019, 08:57:09 AM
I found out a long time ago that the mechanic from Adventures in Babysitting ("Thor") and Edgar (The Bug) from Men in Black were the same actor.   And that freaked me out back then. 

....but today I just found out that that same guy is Wilson Fisk in the Daredevil series, and now my mind is completely blown anew.    :omg:

Vincent D'Onofrio has also played Pvt. "Pyle" in Full Metal Jacket, and the lead detective in Law & Order: Criminal Intent. Quite the chameleon, he is.

He's one of my favorite actors due to how versatile he is. He's given some great performances.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 02, 2019, 08:58:28 AM
I think my first exposure to Vincent was in Stewart Saves his Family. It blew my mind when that guy became The Kingpin.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on January 08, 2019, 01:55:20 PM
Tickets for Captain Marvel are already on sale. Crazy to think you have to buy movie tickets months in advance if you want to catch it opening weekend in NYC.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 09, 2019, 08:27:14 AM
Started Iron Fist last night.  After two episodes, it's pretty good.  Not sure whether it takes a bad turn somewhere along the way, but thus far, I don't get the criticism. 
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 09, 2019, 08:28:21 AM
Did you know that he's Danny Rand?   :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 09, 2019, 08:28:55 AM
Danny Raaaaaaaand!
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Post by: lonestar on January 09, 2019, 08:52:12 AM
 :lol

Just wait bosk...
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Post by: bosk1 on January 09, 2019, 08:55:40 AM
Well, as Danny Rand once said in his smash 1980's video, "I wish they all could be California Girls!"  All of them.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: New World Rushman on January 09, 2019, 09:00:27 AM
Did you know that he's Danny Rand?   :lol

Don't you mean,

"Danny Rand, The Iron Fist. Protector of K'un-Lun. Sworn enemy of the Hand"?
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Post by: gzarruk on January 09, 2019, 09:22:09 AM
Did you know that he's Danny Rand?   :lol

Don't you mean,

"Danny Rand, The INMORTAL Iron Fist. Protector of K'un-Lun. Sworn enemy of the Hand"?

FTFY :lol

Seriously, though, IF S1 was pretty decent, besides that line we’re all making fun of, and some other issues with character writing (Harold Meachum, anyone?), I thought it was good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 09, 2019, 10:03:12 AM
It definitely wasn't good (minus the Colleen Wing parts), but it's not the abomination some people say it was, or that Inhumans actually was.

If I had to give it a letter grade, I'd give it a very low C-. Season 2 I'd give a low B-.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 09, 2019, 10:12:49 AM
I wasn't even planning on watching it due to the negative reviews I have seen.  But after the last episode of Luke Cage, S1, Netflix went right into S2, ep 1, and it showed him (obviously), out of prison.  So I figured I had to watch the next shows in order to eventually find out what happens to Luke. 

My understanding is that it goes:  Iron Fist, s.1 > Defenders > Punisher, s. 1 > Jessica Jones, s.2 > Luke Cage, s.2.

So I have a bunch of shows I have to watch before I continue with Shaft...er, I mean, Luke Cage.
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Post by: Adami on January 09, 2019, 11:00:10 AM
Daredevil 2 would go before Punisher and Defenders but yea.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 09, 2019, 11:59:26 AM
I've seen all seasons of DD, so I'm good.
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Post by: Adami on January 09, 2019, 11:59:58 AM
I've seen all seasons of DD, so I'm good.

I assumed so, but wasn't 100%.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on January 09, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
You went out of order? Are you some type of damn anarchist?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 09, 2019, 01:43:46 PM
:lol  I didn't have any intention of watching them all.  I watched DD and loved it with no intention of watching the other series.  When I was stuck sick with the flu a few weeks ago, I binged JJ s.1 and a good chunk of Luke Cage, s.1.  And now here I am.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TioJorge on January 11, 2019, 07:31:04 PM
I went back a few pages and didn't see anything but I'm always so late to the game with Marvel movies these days given my immense meh-ness towards them now but I enjoyed Venom a lot more than other people did, apparently. Granted, given my love towards Tom Hardy that's expected, but it was suuuuper rocky at points but ended up winning me over. It was pretty great and while I think it'd be SO much better with the Deadpool treatment given the character (though I think that's a NO SHIT), it was awesome for what they had to work with; I have zero doubts that the big wigs were breathing down their necks the ENTIRE time (that's too violent! That's too much! etc. etc).

I'm looking forward to the second one and hope they up the ante. Also, given my disdain towards mainstream rap, Eminem was BOMB on that title track, holy shit. How the fuck did they not find a moment in the movie itself for that track? Anyway, that's all the Marvelness I've been up to recently. I have zero interest in Captain Marvel and the future of the Marvel clusterfuck itself. I'll watch the end of the Avengers saga simply because I grew up with it but other than that....it's spunk. I am however very interested in seeing how Disney keeps this cash cow milking because you know damn well they'll come up with something, it's just a matter of how and when and what they do. Part of me hopes they fall flat on their face just to see how awesomely hilarious it is but the other part hopes that they actually bring the true comic essence to the screens because with all my thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of comics I have...I have yet to see an entire movie that captures that love. Scenes? Sure. A full movie? Not even fucking close.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on January 11, 2019, 11:38:35 PM
I've said this before, and I'll say it again here.   

I think the official MCU is the greatest cinematic franchise in movie history.     There are now 20 movies in the official MCU, and while there are a couple that I would simply rate as "just OK", there is not a "bad" movie in the entire 20 movie run.   I own all 20 movies, and I still enjoy every single one of them.     Nothing....not Star Wars, not Star Trek, not James Bond, not anything else you can come up with, has had that level of consistency across so many movies.   It's unprecedented.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2019, 05:47:48 AM
I'm closer to Jammindude on this than I am Tio.  Given what Marvel has been able to accomplish in just over 10 years, it's incredible.  I think they've done a lot of good/great things, but the timing was also just right.  The managed to capture something that was nostalgic and fresh at the same time.  Sequels and reboots from the 80s hit movies (examples like Die Hard and Ghostbuster come to mind) have been duds.  Turning literary works into franchises usually does ok (Harry Potter), but there are also duds in that.  Marvel has captured lightning in a bottle, imo.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on January 12, 2019, 06:25:00 AM
MCU has been a majestic grand slam home run. Probably 5 of my 10 favorite movies are in the MCU.
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Post by: Orbert on January 12, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
Ditto ditto ditto, etc.  MCU may continue, and I hope it does, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's *some* dip in quality as time goes on, and at some point we'll look back on this as the Golden Era of MCU.  At the very least, I expect (or maybe just hope) that the DC Universe keeps Marvel on their toes.  Some competition would be good for both franchises.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 12, 2019, 03:38:14 PM
Ditto ditto ditto, etc.  MCU may continue, and I hope it does, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's *some* dip in quality as time goes on, and at some point we'll look back on this as the Golden Era of MCU.  At the very least, I expect (or maybe just hope) that the DC Universe keeps Marvel on their toes.  Some competition would be good for both franchises.

I just hope it's the right competition. Aquaman it's in the billion dollar club. I would hate for a day when Marvel says "Well....apparently the people want big, dumb and loud, so lets get bigger, dumber, and louder!"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on January 12, 2019, 03:49:04 PM
That's a valid concern.  Like I said, things will continue, but we don't know how consistent either franchise/universe will be.  I'd like to think that Marvel never gets that big and dumb, but it's always a possibility.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on January 13, 2019, 01:18:05 AM
I’ll go full disclosure and say that I didn’t even watch any of the movies (except IM1) until The Avengers came out. After that I got curious and decided to start with what was supposed to be the worst of the “lead up films” to see if I enjoyed it. That was The Incredible Hulk. And while I do agree that it is a lower tier Marvel film, I still enjoyed it much more than I thought I would, so I plopped down a C-note and bought the rest on sale at the local Fred Meyer.

I’ve been in love ever since.

This thought just occurred to me as I was watching The Incredible Hulk on TNT tonight. I was surprised that they were showing it on network TV at all, since they tend to treat this movie like the red-headed step-child of the bunch. William Hurt’s character made a brief appearance in another film, but I’d like to see Ruffalo re visit Liv Tyler just to give the film more of a nod.
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Post by: Podaar on January 13, 2019, 05:09:00 AM
Well, more Liv Tyler is never a bad thing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2019, 07:40:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFmhKpZKlE

First Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer.


Looks good, but weird having a trailer for the 3rd Marvel movie before the first one is even out.
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Post by: lonestar on January 15, 2019, 07:58:18 AM
Excellent trailer!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on January 15, 2019, 08:21:53 AM
When are people going to catch on that Spider-Man shows up in the cities when/where this group of friends is out-of-town?  Like they aren't going to realize that it's ONE OF THEM that is Spider-Man?  Naturally, they can rule out Ned, but otherwise, everyone should be considered a suspect.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 15, 2019, 08:51:14 AM
I think they'll know by the end of the film.  That tight control over his secret identity is slowly slipping away.  It wouldn't surprise me if maybe something like that entire H.S. group other than Flash knew by the end of the film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2019, 09:02:05 AM
So does anyone else think there's still a possibility that this movie is set before Infinity War? I mean, I dunno.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on January 15, 2019, 09:16:46 AM
Slim possibility.  There would just be obvious continuity .... inconsistencies.  Like, why wouldn't Peter mention his meetup with Fury in IW, or the run in with Mysterio.  The multiple suits ... how does he have them if not for Tony?

Unless Endgame retcons some of the events of IW.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on January 15, 2019, 09:16:59 AM
So does anyone else think there's still a possibility that this movie is set before Infinity War? I mean, I dunno.

I've read that it picks up very close to the end of Endgame.

Sony/Marvel were in a conundrum - hold all marketing until after Endgame, or market the movie in a traditional timeframe and spoil the "resurrection" of Spider Man.  They've chosen the latter.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: RuRoRul on January 15, 2019, 09:23:01 AM
If I hadn't read before that this Spiderman is set after Endgame I wouldn't have known it from that trailer. Assuming that's still true then this trailer definitely made sure to be ambiguous enough to appear as if it could be set before Infinity War. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the marketing plan - people who read all the behind the scenes stuff, production info, interviews etc. might know it's going to be set after Avengers but marketing will be ambiguous about chronology and consistent with a film that was set before Avengers Infinity War so a little bit of uncertainty is preserved in general audiences about the status of the universe after Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on January 15, 2019, 09:50:23 AM
:iagree:

I'd bet next week's paycheque that this will be set after Endgame, but the marketing up until May will be non-committal.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 15, 2019, 01:47:44 PM
I think they'll know by the end of the film.  That tight control over his secret identity is slowly slipping away.  It wouldn't surprise me if maybe something like that entire H.S. group other than Flash knew by the end of the film.

After watching the trailer one more time, I actually think that maybe Flash DOES know.  Hard to say.

By the way, the international trailer has an additional sequence in the beginning of Peter getting stopped going through customers.  :lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38cLTYYXNw
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 15, 2019, 06:30:28 PM
I am lost, what Flash?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2019, 06:36:56 PM
Slim possibility.  There would just be obvious continuity .... inconsistencies.  Like, why wouldn't Peter mention his meetup with Fury in IW, or the run in with Mysterio.  The multiple suits ... how does he have them if not for Tony?

Unless Endgame retcons some of the events of IW.

It's probably after Endgame. That said, some of those aren't inconsistencies. Most people don't mention stuff from their previous movies. Peter never mentioned Vulture in Infinity War. Thor didn't mention Maliketh. Cap didn't mention the old man and the gun. etc.

The multiple suits, who knows? Maybe Fury supplied them. Maybe Tony also gave them to him and he just didn't have them when on the bus in Infinity War.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2019, 06:38:02 PM
I am lost, what Flash?

Flash Gordon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on January 16, 2019, 02:32:36 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 16, 2019, 02:34:41 PM
Okay, so here's a completely insane and obviously not at all true theory about Far From Home.

What the trailer showed us. Spidey is there. Fury and Hill are there. Tony...implied he's not.

A lot of people (even though I don't fully agree) have said that after the halfening, the people who dusted were moved to the soul gem. What if this is that world? So this could be taking place between IF and Endgame. Eh?

Obviously not, but still a cool little idea.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: kaos2900 on January 17, 2019, 07:10:15 AM
Okay, so here's a completely insane and obviously not at all true theory about Far From Home.

What the trailer showed us. Spidey is there. Fury and Hill are there. Tony...implied he's not.

A lot of people (even though I don't fully agree) have said that after the halfening, the people who dusted were moved to the soul gem. What if this is that world? So this could be taking place between IF and Endgame. Eh?

Obviously not, but still a cool little idea.

Cool theory but I think Kevin Feige confirmed that it takes place after End Game.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on January 18, 2019, 08:19:30 PM
The Punisher season 2 dropped today and nobody posted about it? Just watched the first episode and it was a bit slow but it got crazy at the end. Good way to start the season :tup
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Post by: gmillerdrake on January 18, 2019, 08:21:11 PM
The Punisher season 2 dropped today and nobody posted about it? Just watched the first episode and it was a bit slow but it got crazy at the end. Good way to start the season :tup

There’s a whole thread for it.

Can’t wait to watch. I’m about to walk in to see ‘Glass’
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on January 18, 2019, 09:36:05 PM
The Punisher season 2 dropped today and nobody posted about it? Just watched the first episode and it was a bit slow but it got crazy at the end. Good way to start the season :tup

There’s a whole thread for it.

Totally missed this :facepalm:
Thank you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on January 19, 2019, 01:25:41 AM
The Punisher season 2 dropped today and nobody posted about it? Just watched the first episode and it was a bit slow but it got crazy at the end. Good way to start the season :tup

A bit slow? You mean they let Frankie get some lovin before he goes into 13 episodes of blood and mayhem.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on January 19, 2019, 05:36:47 AM
The Punisher season 2 dropped today and nobody posted about it? Just watched the first episode and it was a bit slow but it got crazy at the end. Good way to start the season :tup

A bit slow? You mean they let Frankie get some lovin before he goes into 13 episodes of blood and mayhem.

Exactly :lol
I just thought it felt slow for the opening episode of the season, still I enjoyed it very much.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 19, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
Is 'Glass' a Marvel property?

Anyway, I saw Glass last night and while I liked it....I think SPLIT was a touch better. 'Glass' had a strong opening and closing section....but the middle did drag a bit. Nevertheless, I still enjoyed it and think the characters/story received proper treatment for the third (and most likely) final film of that trilogy.

James McAvoy once again shines in that role....and honestly, without his performance in either movie they both would downgrade significantly as far as their palatability. He was pushed even further in 'Glass'. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on January 19, 2019, 10:02:22 AM
Glass is a Shamalamadingdong property. Not an existing IP as far as I know. Just his original creation.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 25, 2019, 10:19:55 AM
I'm at the point in AOS season 5 where...

***********MAJOR SPOILERS IF YOU HAVENT' SEEN IT*****************














































...Yo-Yo slashed Ruby's throat and Talbot apparently became the "Destroyer of Worlds."  I think this season is easily simultaneously the darkest and funniest.  The show is so dark and heavy, so having the humor be so spot-on and so self-aware strikes a really nice balance.  A few observations:

1.  The moral dilemmas presented this season are really interesting and thought-provoking.  And there have been plenty.  For a moment, I want to focus on the one of Fitz disassociating into "the Doctor" and removing Daisy's inhibitor against her will.  This was so interesting on so many levels!  And I'm glad they are showing the fallout from it in the relationship between Fitz and Daisy deteriorating and being filled with tension, and that spilling over into other relationships as well.  Daisy obviously feels violated, and that is real.  And it is interesting because what happened is in many says akin to rape in that you have a man using power and asserting dominance over a woman to physically violate her against her will.  And at the same time, while it may be similar to rape, it isn't rape.  And that takes a subject that is already incredibly emotionally charged and difficult to process and makes it even more difficult to process.  Fitz on the other hand, cannot bring himself to apologize.  Does he regret what he did?  Yes.  Would he have done it if he had it to do all over again?  Yes, because he believed it was necessary (and it probably was).  And the interesting internal debate for these characters (and external debate for us, should we choose to engage in it) is:  To what extent does the second "yes" negate or diminish the first "yes?"  And does it matter?  How far are we willing to go for the "greater good" when billions of lives are at stake?  Interesting question.  And the fact that the characters cannot immediately (or likely, ever) deal with it and find closure really highlights this truly being a moral dilemma.

2.  The other big moral dilemma at this stage of the story was Yo-Yo's killing of Ruby.  And I get the angst over it.  But, to me, this a lesser dilemma.  I mean, the taking of any life ever for any reason should be a really big deal.  But Ruby was clearly a sociopath who was incapable of any kind of empathy, had been infused with who knows how much power, and was losing control.  Everything the team had seen in the future seemed to be pointing to that one moment.  And Yo-Yo made a VERY hard judgment call that probably needed to be made at that moment.  Maybe it was the wrong call.  Maybe it actually made things worse and pushed them farther down the path to cataclysm.  But every indication prior to that was that it was probably the right call. 

3.  Related to the above, I am once again getting really tired of Mack.  He certainly has moments where he shines, especially this season.  But he is far too rigid and stubborn--irrationally so on MANY occasions.  And this is one of them.  He needs to listen to Yo-Yo and be there for her, but he can't because everything is so black-and-white to him, and he cannot deal with anything that is outside his own box.  That doesn't mean he needs to blindly accept.  But he is too rigid to even sympathize, and that severely detracts from his likeability.

4.  Going back a few episodes, I loved the moment between Jemma and Deke where he revealed that she was his grandmother.  That was SO touching and SO well-done.  And her losing control and throwing up was such well-timed humor.  Not sure if it also signals that she is pregnant.  But even if it does not signal that she actually is, it was still surely meant to convey the double meaning that she will be.  But that scene was just amazing.  Reveals like that tend to be so on-the-nose.  This was too, but in a way that had genuine emotional impact.
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Post by: gzarruk on January 25, 2019, 04:37:32 PM
Looks like I have to watch that AOS season again, it was a great ride. Glad you’re enjoying it, Bosk!
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Post by: Orbert on January 25, 2019, 10:22:43 PM
Bosk, I agree with everything you said above about AoS.  Serious shit, but also fun, engaging, and overall well-written and well-acted.  The past couple of seasons, they really kicked it into high gear and it's been a fun ride.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 29, 2019, 09:29:57 AM
So...finished! 

******************SPOILERS*****************


Just...wow.  There were some spots where I felt the season kind of went off the rails a little bit.  But they always managed to somehow keep bringing massive payoffs.  For instance, I was starting to feel like the fear dimension stuff was a bit corny and unnecessary.  But then when it seemed like the series was bogging down a bit with that little sideshow, we got the awesome subversion of Dr. Fitz, but it's actually really just Fitz! :omg:  That was brilliant. 

Anyhow, the season wrapped up in a really satisfying way, IMO.  The team had completely fallen apart, but somehow came back together and came back to who they were as people and as a family.  There was the tragedy of Talbot.  There was what I consider to be a pretty satisfying tie-in with Infinity War.  I was reading an article that argued that the tie-in actually severely undermined and cheapened AOS as a franchise (https://screenrant.com/agents-shield-season-5-infinity-war-connections-mistake/), but I disagree.  Having the threat of Thanos and the opportunism of The Confederacy being the catalyst for pretty much everything that happened made it feel to me like the Marvel universe was cohesive.  It added more layers to the bigger ongoing conflict in the MCU as a whole:  Thanos' quest for the infinity stones.  And it was a great way for the series to deal with the events of Infinity War while adroitly sidestepping the Decimation.  I'm not sure how early in the season 5 story development the AOS creators had enough info to make that tie-in.  Maybe they had it early on and it was integral to the writing.  Or maybe they got it part way through the season and had to retcon their plans a bit.  But either way, I thought it ended up working really, really well.

Oh, and let's not forget Fitz.  Even before he died, I had wondered about Fizsicle in space and how that was going to work, assuming they averted the destruction of the earth.  And yet, his death still totally got me.  And that had to be one of the most emotional and well-acted screen deaths ever. 

Anyhow, this was a great season.  It may just be my favorite.  Yeah, it got wonky at times.  But I think it really says something about a series or a film when you can acknowledge that it went off the rails or at least came close a few times, and still feel like they more than made up for it and gave you something really enjoyable and satisfying as a whole. 

Overall, AOS is right up there with Galactica as being one of the truly great sci-fi series of all time.  Both had really compelling stories and fantastic long-term character development.  Both also had flaws.  And that's okay.  It's a shame The Sarah Connor Chronicles got prematurely canceled, as it should have been right up there as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on January 29, 2019, 01:21:33 PM
Once again, I agree completely.  AoS got pretty nuts there for a while, but brought it home in style.  Even the "season finale which might end up being the series finale but we don't know yet" was done well.  We could stop here and feel satisfied.  Or there could be another chapter without massive handwaving.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on January 29, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
Black panther is going play on selected theaters for free from Feb 1st - 7th, in celebration of black history month. Can’t help but think this is just publicity to push for a win at the Oscar.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on January 30, 2019, 06:12:21 AM
Black panther is going play on selected theaters for free from Feb 1st - 7th, in celebration of black history month. Can’t help but think this is just publicity to push for a win at the Oscar.
Of course it is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 30, 2019, 07:20:35 AM
Is there an award for tricking the most people into thinking your movie is better than it actually is?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: countoftuscany42 on January 30, 2019, 08:35:19 AM
Is there an award for tricking the most people into thinking your movie is better than it actually is?
Yes, usually it’s the best picture award  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on January 30, 2019, 08:37:51 AM
I was thinking advertising awards for movie trailers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on January 30, 2019, 10:04:56 AM
Black Panther was just ok. Kinda boring, nothing special. I do like the character, but he was more entertaining in the other movies he was in.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on January 30, 2019, 10:30:28 AM
Once again, I agree completely.  AoS got pretty nuts there for a while, but brought it home in style.  Even the "season finale which might end up being the series finale but we don't know yet" was done well.  We could stop here and feel satisfied.  Or there could be another chapter without massive handwaving.

... and right on cue, we get the trailer.  This looks interesting as fuck.  Convenient that it's not coming out until after Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on January 30, 2019, 10:33:07 AM
Once again, I agree completely.  AoS got pretty nuts there for a while, but brought it home in style.  Even the "season finale which might end up being the series finale but we don't know yet" was done well.  We could stop here and feel satisfied.  Or there could be another chapter without massive handwaving.

... and right on cue, we get the trailer.  This looks interesting as fuck.  Convenient that it's not coming out until after Endgame.

And here's the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trDSntuNMSU&t=0s  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on January 30, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
Thanks!  I was gonna say "Don't tease me like that!"

Looks good.  I know they've been pushing Mack as the new leader of the group, or at least hinting at it for a while, but I've just never seen it.  He strikes me as an excellent follower, someone you'd definitely want on your side, but not leader material.  On the other hand, May would outright refuse the gig, as would everyone else left, except Jemma.  I thought she was kinduv on the fast track for a while, being Director Mace's right-hand person back during that storyline.

Whatever, they'll explain it, it'll be okay, we'll move on from there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on January 30, 2019, 02:52:12 PM
I guess I finished S5 right on time!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 01, 2019, 12:25:46 PM
Regarding the new trailer that is supposed to drop on Sunday [SPOILER-FREE]:

Quote
Our long wait for more Avengers: Endgame footage is finally over, as it’s now been confirmed that we’ll see a new TV spot on Sunday, February 3rd during Super Bowl LIII. The inclusion of the promo on Super Bowl Sunday has been rumored for a very long time, but now it’s just a matter of counting down the days until it airs, and while the first trailer was rather sombre and low-key, the nature of Super Bowl ads means that Marvel Studios will be eager to dazzle audiences with some of the more impressive sequences from the film.

This should, in turn, give us a much better idea of what Endgame‘s going to be about. Right now, we have a bunch of disconnected jigsaw pieces . . . . Hopefully, this new footage will let us assemble those pieces into a whole that shows us the basic story of the film and hints at how our heroes will finally take down Thanos.

Regarding the bolded:  "Hopefully?"  ???  Really?  Who would want this?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: countoftuscany42 on February 01, 2019, 12:59:34 PM
What was the source for that quote? Just curious who’s saying new footage is confirmed. It wouldn’t surprise me to capitalize on the super bowl, but considering the “confirmations” of when the first trailer would drop, I am hesitant to believe anything about Endgame  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 01, 2019, 01:11:36 PM
Article was here:  https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/new-avengers-endgame-trailer-confirmed-superbowl-liii/  They don't cite a primary source.  But despite that they are kind of a click-bait-y site, I have not seen them ever print anything factual that was wrong.  And they aren't the only site running that story either.  If you Google "avengers end game super bowl," it's all over the place.  So I don't doubt that somebody from the studio made the reveal.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 01, 2019, 01:33:35 PM
I remember hearing that the Endgame trailers (mostly) will only contain footage from the first 15 min.

I really hope so.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on February 03, 2019, 05:45:46 PM
Quick trailer for End game and Captain Marvel weren’t bad.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 03, 2019, 05:47:44 PM
Not watching any other trailers/TV spots for Captain Marvel. 2 is my limit for anything Marvel.

I'm not sure where I stand on Endgame. First trailer was great. This little spot was also great. Tempted to call it quits, but may give the actual 2nd trailer a watch, but nothing beyond a 2nd trailer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on February 03, 2019, 06:11:18 PM
I saw the quick Captain Marvel thing.   Did I miss the newer Endgame trailer?   I missed the first 5 minutes of the game, and I have looked away really quick a couple of times.  But I've been watching most of the stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on February 03, 2019, 06:25:30 PM
I saw the quick Captain Marvel thing.   Did I miss the newer Endgame trailer?   I missed the first 5 minutes of the game, and I have looked away really quick a couple of times.  But I've been watching most of the stuff.

Yeah end game trailer played before captain marvel, most likely first five minutes.

Here is a link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Lcgbr78WA
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 04, 2019, 04:23:57 AM
I saw the quick Captain Marvel thing.   Did I miss the newer Endgame trailer?   I missed the first 5 minutes of the game, and I have looked away really quick a couple of times.  But I've been watching most of the stuff.

It was played right after the pre-game show, before the opening kick. Kinda lackluster.  The only interesting thing was seeing Cap get his shield back.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 04, 2019, 10:18:38 AM
A theory on Captain Marvel and Endgame tie-in:  In the Infinity War end-credits scene, Fury of course uses a "pager" that teases Captain Marvel.  Or...so we assume.  After all, Fury and Captain Marvel are going to meet up in the '90s, a time when pagers were actually a thing.  So we, the audience, are led to assume that the device that looked a lot like a pager actually is a pager.  I don't think it is.

The MCU version of Captain Marvel can time travel, as we've been told.  I'm guessing that one of the reasons she presumably "disappears" from the time Captain Marvel ends in the 1990s up until some time in Endgame in the present time is that, at the end of Captain Marvel, she time travels to the present day.  I.e., she disappears in 1990-something to reappear in 2019-ish.  And the pager isn't a pager--it's some sort of homing beacon that allows her time-traveling ability to zero in on the time and place to reappear.  Fury, having known her in 1990-something set this plan in motion with her back then, and knew there would be a time and place in the future for him to activate it so that she would appear there and then, which he does at the end of Infinity War.

This would nicely explain her disappearance during the intervening years, and would explain why Fury was using such an outdated piece of tech to presumably "call" her in the present day.  Obviously, this is just speculation.  But I don't see any major holes to poke through it right just now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on February 04, 2019, 10:22:22 AM
That's actually kind of a cool idea.

I will say that anything time-travel related in Endgame scares me. It's rarely done well in movies without leaving massive plot holes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 04, 2019, 10:30:52 AM
It's rarely done well in movies without leaving massive plot holes.

I've only enjoyed (2) programs that have delved in time travel. Continuum and Travelers, both dealt with and handled the story telling as good as you possibly could concerning time travel. Near all other movies/TV Series end up really going off the rails when introducing it. The MARVEL team certainly is creative and probably has some brilliant minds at work....but time travel being in your story is a risky endeavor.



***(Back to the Future(s) excluded as those were more comedies and not 'serious' Time Travel Movies) 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 04, 2019, 10:32:23 AM
That's actually kind of a cool idea.

I will say that anything time-travel related in Endgame scares me. It's rarely done well in movies without leaving massive plot holes.
Yeah.  But in AOS, season 5, for example, I thought it was done really well.  I know that for all intents and purposes, they are completely unrelated entities.  But still, it can be done well.  And minor details aside, the folks behind the MCU have done a great job of telling a huge, cohesive story that works really well, for quite some time now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on February 04, 2019, 10:42:38 AM
I've only enjoyed (2) programs that have delved in time travel. Continuum and Travelers, both dealt with and handled the story telling as good as you possibly could concerning time travel. Near all other movies/TV Series end up really going off the rails when introducing it. The MARVEL team certainly is creative and probably has some brilliant minds at work....but time travel being in your story is a risky endeavor.

Fringe is a show that I think handled time-travel very well. As much hate as this show got, I think it was well written.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on February 04, 2019, 11:08:00 AM
That's actually kind of a cool idea.

I will say that anything time-travel related in Endgame scares me. It's rarely done well in movies without leaving massive plot holes.
Yeah.  But in AOS, season 5, for example, I thought it was done really well.  I know that for all intents and purposes, they are completely unrelated entities.  But still, it can be done well.  And minor details aside, the folks behind the MCU have done a great job of telling a huge, cohesive story that works really well, for quite some time now.

As much as I love AOS, their time travel thing does have a big plot hole: Fitz.

We know everybody except Fitz traveled in time using that monolith thing, so he had to go the old fashioned way by freezing himself up and wait 90ish years to awake again and rescue the rest of the guys. Well, since the version of Leo that came back with them to the present died, they're now going to get the original version who's frozen somewhere in outer space. How does waking him up before he gets to the future doesn't undo all the things they did with him after he got there?  If they wake him, it means he never got there to save them. How are they going to explain that? ???
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 04, 2019, 11:11:06 AM
It's explained by assuming that time is not linear, and that there are multiple timelines.  The version of the "past" that everyone sans-Fitz experienced in the future, is different than the version of the current timeline that has Fitz in floating in space.

My brain hurts just trying to read that statement, let alone explain it.   :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on February 04, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
It's explained by assuming that time is not linear, and that there are multiple timelines.  The version of the "past" that everyone sans-Fitz experienced in the future, is different than the version of the current timeline that has Fitz in floating in space.

My brain hurts just trying to read that statement, let alone explain it.   :lol

This is why shows/movies shouldn't mess too much with time travel plots :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 04, 2019, 11:44:53 AM
I've only enjoyed (2) programs that have delved in time travel. Continuum and Travelers, both dealt with and handled the story telling as good as you possibly could concerning time travel. Near all other movies/TV Series end up really going off the rails when introducing it. The MARVEL team certainly is creative and probably has some brilliant minds at work....but time travel being in your story is a risky endeavor.

Fringe is a show that I think handled time-travel very well. As much hate as this show got, I think it was well written.

Oh yeah....FRINGE also. Forgot that one. They did do a good job with it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 04, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
I loved Fringe... wish it was on Netflix to re-watch, since I was only a part-time watcher for the first 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 04, 2019, 02:09:54 PM
I loved Fringe... wish it was on Netflix to re-watch, since I was only a part-time watcher for the first 2 seasons.

Yeah. It's high time for a re-watch of that Series.         Anna Torv  :zydar:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on February 04, 2019, 02:10:31 PM
I loved Fringe... wish it was on Netflix to re-watch, since I was only a part-time watcher for the first 2 seasons.
I loved it too. The timeline resets were kind of confusing at times, but overall it was a good show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 04, 2019, 03:18:39 PM
That's actually kind of a cool idea.

I will say that anything time-travel related in Endgame scares me. It's rarely done well in movies without leaving massive plot holes.
Yeah.  But in AOS, season 5, for example, I thought it was done really well.  I know that for all intents and purposes, they are completely unrelated entities.  But still, it can be done well.  And minor details aside, the folks behind the MCU have done a great job of telling a huge, cohesive story that works really well, for quite some time now.

As much as I love AOS, their time travel thing does have a big plot hole: Fitz.

We know everybody except Fitz traveled in time using that monolith thing, so he had to go the old fashioned way by freezing himself up and wait 90ish years to awake again and rescue the rest of the guys. Well, since the version of Leo that came back with them to the present died, they're now going to get the original version who's frozen somewhere in outer space. How does waking him up before he gets to the future doesn't undo all the things they did with him after he got there?  If they wake him, it means he never got there to save them. How are they going to explain that? ???

Yeah, as Jingle explained, that's part of the paradox involved in doing time travel.  It isn't a plot hole.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 04, 2019, 06:05:10 PM
So a lot of people are pointing out that a big part of the new TV spot for Endgame is Cap getting his shield back....but....and hear me out...what if that's not Steve Rogers?

There's like some hesitation right before he straps it on. What if it's someone else having to take the shield?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on February 04, 2019, 07:05:09 PM
So a lot of people are pointing out that a big part of the new TV spot for Endgame is Cap getting his shield back....but....and hear me out...what if that's not Steve Rogers?

There's like some hesitation right before he straps it on. What if it's someone else having to take the shield?

I bet it's Rocket Raccoon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 04, 2019, 08:12:11 PM
Not buyin it. Looks like the same uni that we saw him with in the original trailer talking about how he knows "this is gonna work".

Now, where is Thor in his cape with Stormbreaker?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 04, 2019, 08:30:15 PM
Wakanda. Most likely.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Polarbear on February 05, 2019, 01:02:21 AM
So a lot of people are pointing out that a big part of the new TV spot for Endgame is Cap getting his shield back....but....and hear me out...what if that's not Steve Rogers?

There's like some hesitation right before he straps it on. What if it's someone else having to take the shield?

Steve hasn't used he's shield since the events of Civil War, which in the MCU timeline is many years. Add that to everything that has happened, and I'm sure he's feeling a bit hesitant.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: vtgrad on February 05, 2019, 01:12:43 PM
So a lot of people are pointing out that a big part of the new TV spot for Endgame is Cap getting his shield back....but....and hear me out...what if that's not Steve Rogers?

There's like some hesitation right before he straps it on. What if it's someone else having to take the shield?

Steve hasn't used he's shield since the events of Civil War, which in the MCU timeline is many years. Add that to everything that has happened, and I'm sure he's feeling a bit hesitant.

Maybe it's Hawkeye?  Maybe it's Loki?   Maybe it's Tony without the suit?  That's a good catch Adami... I'd bet it's not Steve.  Would be cool if it was Tony without the suit (Potts is in the suit maybe) trying to rebuild that bridge before the multiple time-threads erase memory.

I always thought the SK handled time travel very well in the DT series... kind of handled it without mentioning time travel really.  Keystone Earth and Keystone Mid-world (which are mirrors of the same object moving in different times), then all of the other multiple worlds with multiple versions of Keystone Earth and Midworld characters (except for Roland of course) spinning off of the Tower.  More Quantum theory (multiple states of the same object at the same time) than time travel I guess .
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on February 05, 2019, 01:37:27 PM
I’ve heard that, in the comics, Bucky becomes CA at some point.

I don’t read the comics, but that would be interesting, if true.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 05, 2019, 01:57:39 PM
I’ve heard that, in the comics, Bucky becomes CA at some point.

I don’t read the comics, but that would be interesting, if true.

Indeed he does. So does Falcon.


Honestly, it's probably Steve, but it felt like a cool random thought to throw out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: masterthes on February 05, 2019, 03:33:13 PM
I don't know if this has been addressed before, but I just recently read the graphic novel of Infinity Gauntlet and I'm a bit pissed at the way the movies have treated Thanos. In the comic, he treats the whole wiping out half of all existence as a side thing and is fully cognizant of the fact that he has the power of a God. In the movies, it seems like that's totally inconsequential to him and all he wanted to do was wipe out half of existence and that's all. It's like when you get this extremely rare collectible and all you do is keep it in its box. Maybe the sequel will show him using his powers some, but I doubt it
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 05, 2019, 03:40:48 PM
I don't know if this has been addressed before, but I just recently read the graphic novel of Infinity Gauntlet and I'm a bit pissed at the way the movies have treated Thanos. In the comic, he treats the whole wiping out half of all existence as a side thing and is fully cognizant of the fact that he has the power of a God. In the movies, it seems like that's totally inconsequential to him and all he wanted to do was wipe out half of existence and that's all. It's like when you get this extremely rare collectible and all you do is keep it in its box. Maybe the sequel will show him using his powers some, but I doubt it

They're different. In the comics he really is a megalomaniac who wants to win the hand of Death and is basically pure evil for the most part. In the movie he had a very specific goal, one that he thought was for the greater good. He had no desire to be a god, just to accomplish that specific task. He makes it pretty clear.

It's a different Thanos, so I understand if that's upsetting. Fortunately this is a case I'm fine with. The comics version of Thanos works great in the comics, but would not have worked well on screen, just not nearly as interesting in that format.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 05, 2019, 08:33:40 PM
I often felt that comic Thanos was being manipulated by Death to give her half of all sentience.

So yeah .,, what Adams said. The mot Cations of Thanos are different in MCU vs c the various Comic series' around him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 05, 2019, 08:52:41 PM
I often felt that comic Thanos was being manipulated by Death to give her half of all sentience.

So yeah .,, what Adams said. The mot Cations of Thanos are different in MCU vs c the various Comic series' around him.



.....King?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 06, 2019, 04:30:47 AM
Autocorrect, and failing to proofread.

Plus 2 glasses of wine.   :lol

That should've read "the motivations of Thanos are different in the MCU vs the versions in the Comic series' written around him."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on February 13, 2019, 11:29:14 PM
So reports are that Brie Larson has signed a 7 picture deal with Marvel, the first two of those being Captain Marvel and Endgame. Seems we can set the foundation for the next ten years of speculation on where the MCU is headed, all we need is those two movies to set the pace.


http://epicstream.com/news/NicoParungo/Shes-Not-Going-Anywhere-Captain-Marvels-Brie-Larson-Signs-7-Picture-Deal-with-Marvel?fbclid=IwAR1uXHYz480ZivNn0X-FR9sIKItYyr0AKSbDQmbsD7ksAAh6N3Rf46zP4QM&utm_campaign=epicbuffer&utm_content=buffer44f50&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com (http://epicstream.com/news/NicoParungo/Shes-Not-Going-Anywhere-Captain-Marvels-Brie-Larson-Signs-7-Picture-Deal-with-Marvel?fbclid=IwAR1uXHYz480ZivNn0X-FR9sIKItYyr0AKSbDQmbsD7ksAAh6N3Rf46zP4QM&utm_campaign=epicbuffer&utm_content=buffer44f50&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on February 14, 2019, 04:48:42 AM
I'd heard Phase 4 is going to split into 2 different directions -  1 Cosmic (Marvel, Strange, Fantastic Four etc..., and 1 Earth-bound heroes (Spidey, Cap, Widow, Panther etc...).  Can't remember if that was mentioned here or somewhere else.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on February 14, 2019, 08:15:25 AM
Not here.  I find that people rarely discuss Marvel here anymore.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on February 14, 2019, 08:32:45 AM
Regarding Captain Marvel, I was totally unfamiliar with the character. Marvel started a new volume of the comic to basically coincide with the movie release this year, as issue #1 was released last month. So on my weekly trip to pick up stuff in my saver, I picked it up. I got through half of it. Its written for teenage girls almost.

Again, that's my first ever exposure to anything Captain Marvel-related, except for the movie trailer. And if THAT'S where they are headed, its an easy pass. I'm sure the films will be a lot better and balanced, but my Lord the comic is not written for males in my age group (40s).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2019, 08:53:46 AM
Well no, generally speaking a female heroine that represents many aspects of feminism is not written solely for men in their 40's.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on February 14, 2019, 10:23:08 AM
Not solely, no, but it's still a Marvel comic book and there's still a "Marvel audience".  Each of the heroes has personality/demographic types that they attract, and certainly a female hero has a greater potential to draw female readers, but you don't cater to that audience at the expense of alienating everyone else.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2019, 10:27:15 AM
Not solely, no, but it's still a Marvel comic book and there's still a "Marvel audience".  Each of the heroes has personality/demographic types that they attract, and certainly a female hero has a greater potential to draw female readers, but you don't cater to that audience at the expense of alienating everyone else.

True, but you can't make every character equally appealing to every demographic. I doubt too many teenage girls are reading Dead Man Logan, you know? In comic books, the female audience has been historically overlooked. Girls in comics historically wore basically bathing suits as costumes and their personal lives were defined by their relationships with men. This is finally changing. So it's not too shocking if some 40 year old men, who prefer more classic masculine stories aren't very into Captain Marvel. As a 34 year old man, I love it. So they're not alienating me or many other men, but they're not being written FOR older men.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on February 14, 2019, 12:31:07 PM
I agree.  I haven't read the newer Captain Marvel comics myself, but Samsara's reaction seemed to be one of alienation, so that's what I was commenting on.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 14, 2019, 12:53:43 PM
I agree.  I haven't read the newer Captain Marvel comics myself, but Samsara's reaction seemed to be one of alienation, so that's what I was commenting on.

And that's fine, sometimes we can't relate to it. For instance, Deadpool is my favorite character. I love volumes 2 and 3, but the past like 5-6 years or whatever of Deadpool comics were NOT for me. So much so that I stopped reading them until new writers joined. I felt alienated, but such is life. Can't please everyone. They were writing him for a different audience that the movie helped bring in. It happens.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: masterthes on February 16, 2019, 05:48:31 AM
Question for the comic book fans, going back to Infinity Gauntlet. Nebula's look was drastically different in both medias. Did they revive her looks in a comic or was a move on Gunn's part to make her a less sexy android?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 16, 2019, 07:55:58 AM
Question for the comic book fans, going back to Infinity Gauntlet. Nebula's look was drastically different in both medias. Did they revive her looks in a comic or was a move on Gunn's part to make her a less sexy android?

They changed her the 2000's (pre-MCU) to something closer to Gunn's version, but now she's almost identical to Gunn's version.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on February 18, 2019, 09:55:00 AM
Aaaaaand Netflix has cancelled the last two. No more Marvel series after JJ3.  :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 18, 2019, 11:32:25 AM
Aaaaaand Netflix has cancelled the last two. No more Marvel series after JJ3.  :sadpanda:

Yep. I guess we all knew that was coming. Bummer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on February 18, 2019, 12:16:37 PM
Ah well. Hopefully Agents is good this coming season. I really dug Cloak and Dagger and hope season 2 is just as good.


Still not a fan of the Runaways, but everyone else seems to absolutely love it, so I guess it's just me.
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Post by: lonestar on February 18, 2019, 12:19:13 PM
Finally getting into the Gifted on HULU, quite enjoying it.
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Post by: gzarruk on February 18, 2019, 12:26:05 PM
Finally getting into the Gifted on HULU, quite enjoying it.

The Gifted is very very good! Only 2 more episodes before this season ends and it hasn't been renewed for a 3rd yet, hope it doesn't get cancelled :'(
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Post by: Adami on February 18, 2019, 12:32:06 PM
Finally getting into the Gifted on HULU, quite enjoying it.

The Gifted is very very good! Only 2 more episodes before this season ends and it hasn't been renewed for a 3rd yet, hope it doesn't get cancelled :'(

Since it's a FOX thing, it wouldn't shock me if it gets the ax.

I'm torn on The Gifted. I like it about......75%. I really like some stuff, and do NOT like other stuff. That brother is just annoying, as is Reeva, unless her story somehow makes more sense. Also, as hot as Jamie Chung is, and as much as I love Blink, she is just not a good actress.

LOVE the rest of the family, that Oscar Issac looking dude, and much of the rest of the team. And was so happy to see the Stepford sisters. So happy.
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Post by: ariich on February 18, 2019, 12:51:04 PM
Ah well. Hopefully Agents is good this coming season. I really dug Cloak and Dagger and hope season 2 is just as good.


Still not a fan of the Runaways, but everyone else seems to absolutely love it, so I guess it's just me.
Runaways is alright. I definitely wouldn't say I love it, but it's enjoyable and there are some nice touches. I say this as a non comic reader.

But yeah Cloak and Dagger was great, looking forward to more of it.
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Post by: Adami on February 18, 2019, 12:53:30 PM
Honestly, with Runaways I usually try to keep my thoughts to myself. Because I've read every single (I'm pretty sure) issue of The Runaways ever, I'm really biased.

That said, I tried to watch the show as a non-fan, where I didn't care if they changed things (and I usually don't mind) but still found the writing and decisions made to be awful. Not sure how much of that is my bias, or if I would feel that way if I hadn't been a giant Runaways fan first. Hard to tell. Either way, I can't get behind it.

I could go on, but I doubt anyone cares haha.
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Post by: gzarruk on February 18, 2019, 01:21:02 PM
Finally getting into the Gifted on HULU, quite enjoying it.

The Gifted is very very good! Only 2 more episodes before this season ends and it hasn't been renewed for a 3rd yet, hope it doesn't get cancelled :'(

Since it's a FOX thing, it wouldn't shock me if it gets the ax.

I'm torn on The Gifted. I like it about......75%. I really like some stuff, and do NOT like other stuff. That brother is just annoying, as is Reeva, unless her story somehow makes more sense. Also, as hot as Jamie Chung is, and as much as I love Blink, she is just not a good actress.

Well...

Blink just died. Or, at least that’s what they want us to believe, but she took 3 bullets, that’s kind of hard to survive lol
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Post by: Lonk on February 18, 2019, 07:17:08 PM
As expected, The punisher has been cancelled.
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Post by: masterthes on February 19, 2019, 09:19:08 AM
Anybody want a bet when the Disney service will be running, these series will be renewed?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 19, 2019, 09:28:22 AM
Anybody want a bet when the Disney service will be running, these series will be renewed?

I read that Hulu may be the service where the canceled Marvel shows from NETFLIX land? Gonna try to dig that article up.....
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Post by: Samsara on February 19, 2019, 09:50:26 AM
My wife said Jeph Loeb tweeted something, or said something over the weekend to the effect of that a plan is in place to continue all the canceled series. I forget where she saw it, but most likely it was his Twitter (and I am too lazy to look it up). If so, that's promising. I mean, it'll likely require a subscription to yet another streaming service, but if the quality remains high, that would be fine.
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Post by: Adami on February 19, 2019, 09:50:55 AM
Hulu said they'd be open to it. Marvel (once the acquisition is done) will have a huge piece of Hulu, and Hulu makes more sense than the Disney streaming service for these shows due to their more adult content.

That said, I did read that....and I feel like we've talked about it here....the contracts with Netflix state that the characters cannot be used at all for 2 years after cancellation. So if they come back, it wouldn't be able to even begin production or anything until mid/late 2020 for some, and now early 2021 for others.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on February 19, 2019, 09:55:43 AM
....and I feel like we've talked about it here....the contracts with Netflix state that the characters cannot be used at all for 2 years after cancellation. So if they come back, it wouldn't be able to even begin production or anything until mid/late 2020 for some, and now early 2021 for others.

Yeah....we did discuss that. Which....if that's the case.....I'd suspect they'd re-cast the characters.....which IMO would suck because I think they've nailed Daredevil and the Punisher.
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Post by: Adami on February 19, 2019, 10:06:27 AM
....and I feel like we've talked about it here....the contracts with Netflix state that the characters cannot be used at all for 2 years after cancellation. So if they come back, it wouldn't be able to even begin production or anything until mid/late 2020 for some, and now early 2021 for others.

Yeah....we did discuss that. Which....if that's the case.....I'd suspect they'd re-cast the characters.....which IMO would suck because I think they've nailed Daredevil and the Punisher.

As far as I can tell, it's the IO, not the actors. So none of the actual characters, no matter who plays them.
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Post by: lonestar on February 19, 2019, 10:09:30 AM
....and I feel like we've talked about it here....the contracts with Netflix state that the characters cannot be used at all for 2 years after cancellation. So if they come back, it wouldn't be able to even begin production or anything until mid/late 2020 for some, and now early 2021 for others.

Yeah....we did discuss that. Which....if that's the case.....I'd suspect they'd re-cast the characters.....which IMO would suck because I think they've nailed Daredevil and the Punisher.

As far as I can tell, it's the IO, not the actors. So none of the actual characters, no matter who plays them.

It is. The characters can't appear anywhere except Netflix for two years.
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Post by: Samsara on February 19, 2019, 01:09:16 PM
Two years goes by pretty quickly, honestly. It seems like a long time, but it'll fly by.
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Post by: ariich on February 20, 2019, 12:08:37 AM
....and I feel like we've talked about it here....the contracts with Netflix state that the characters cannot be used at all for 2 years after cancellation. So if they come back, it wouldn't be able to even begin production or anything until mid/late 2020 for some, and now early 2021 for others.

Yeah....we did discuss that. Which....if that's the case.....I'd suspect they'd re-cast the characters.....which IMO would suck because I think they've nailed Daredevil and the Punisher.

As far as I can tell, it's the IO, not the actors. So none of the actual characters, no matter who plays them.

It is. The characters can't appear anywhere except Netflix for two years.
I can almost guarantee there'll be some kind of buy-out clause that would allow Marvel to start using them sooner for a fee.

But also, two years isn't THAT long really. I don't see any reason why it would mean that production can't start until 2 years after it last airs. Surely it'd make more sense to be that it can't air until 2 years after. In which case it's only a bit longer than between seasons anyway.
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Post by: Adami on February 20, 2019, 08:01:17 AM
....and I feel like we've talked about it here....the contracts with Netflix state that the characters cannot be used at all for 2 years after cancellation. So if they come back, it wouldn't be able to even begin production or anything until mid/late 2020 for some, and now early 2021 for others.

Yeah....we did discuss that. Which....if that's the case.....I'd suspect they'd re-cast the characters.....which IMO would suck because I think they've nailed Daredevil and the Punisher.

As far as I can tell, it's the IO, not the actors. So none of the actual characters, no matter who plays them.

It is. The characters can't appear anywhere except Netflix for two years.
I can almost guarantee there'll be some kind of buy-out clause that would allow Marvel to start using them sooner for a fee.

But also, two years isn't THAT long really. I don't see any reason why it would mean that production can't start until 2 years after it last airs. Surely it'd make more sense to be that it can't air until 2 years after. In which case it's only a bit longer than between seasons anyway.

I'm sure they do. But with the FOX deal closing soon, how much does Marvel really want to invest in those characters when they can just wait 2 years? You know? I doubt they're going to spend even more money when they have their plates so full at the moment.
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Post by: ariich on February 20, 2019, 01:55:41 PM
Depends. There's definitely a financial cost, obviously, and it would require continued coordination from Marvel TV. But in terms of production, development etc, the cast and crew are all there.
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Post by: Adami on February 20, 2019, 02:09:03 PM
Depends. There's definitely a financial cost, obviously, and it would require continued coordination from Marvel TV. But in terms of production, development etc, the cast and crew are all there.

But what's the intensive? It's not like they pay netflix 5,000 dollars and get all the rights back. We're probably talking millions at the very very least.

Why do that? You're getting X-Men, FF, all of that stuff, AND all you have to do is wait 2 years. I just don't see the intensive at all.
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Post by: ariich on February 20, 2019, 02:34:02 PM
Hey I never said they'd do it! Just that they might.

They know the shows are already of a generally very high quality and have a pretty loyal fanbase, and not necessarily all people who follow the movies. I know people who watch the Marvel Netflix shows who aren't especially interested in the films. I agree that they can just wait 2 years, and on balance I think that's probably most likely (if they do anything at all) but that risks losing the current momentum they have, which is where the incentive would come from to pay to do it sooner.
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Post by: jingle.boy on February 21, 2019, 05:23:42 AM
It might be worth the investment to have those characters / shows right at the launch of the service, so they have an established set of assets to use as they try to build (steal) viewership for another streaming service - whether these shows sit on their own service, or Hulu.  They'll have to decide how many of the 100M+ Netflix viewers that don't have Hulu are Marvel watchers, and willing to spend another $6/mo.  Is it 10, 10k, or 10M?
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Post by: Bolsters on February 21, 2019, 05:33:21 AM
Another thing they might want to do if they start backing Hulu in a big way is release it overseas; isn't it still US and Japan only? If they don't start expanding on that quickly, everyone in the rest of the world is just going to pirate their shows.
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Post by: kaos2900 on February 21, 2019, 07:33:06 AM
Captain Marvel is getting really good reviews from the first viewing. In some ways I'm more excited for this than I am for End Game. Will be a really solid appetizer for the main course.
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Post by: bosk1 on February 27, 2019, 08:24:05 AM
Just finished Iron Fist S1 last night.  Not a bad story.  It was fun seeing allies and enemies constantly shift as circumstances changed, with Danny even having to essentially go to Gao for help toward the end. 

Now on to Defenders.
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Post by: gzarruk on February 27, 2019, 09:00:49 AM
Just finished Iron Fist S1 last night.  Not a bad story.  It was fun seeing allies and enemies constantly shift as circumstances changed, with Danny even having to essentially go to Gao for help toward the end. 

But did you get he's the inmortal Iron Fist, defender of Kun Lunn, sworn enemy of the hand?
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Post by: bosk1 on February 27, 2019, 09:07:54 AM
Just finished Iron Fist S1 last night.  Not a bad story.  It was fun seeing allies and enemies constantly shift as circumstances changed, with Danny even having to essentially go to Gao for help toward the end. 

But did you get he's the inmortal Iron Fist, defender of Kun Lunn, sworn enemy of the hand?
Oh, that was in there?  ???  Must have missed it.
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Post by: Adami on February 27, 2019, 09:56:57 AM
Did you at least notice that his name is Danny Rand?
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Post by: Samsara on February 27, 2019, 10:02:27 AM
I was severely disappointed in S1 of Iron Fist. S2 was better. Defenders was OK.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 02, 2019, 08:05:50 AM
I was severely disappointed in S1 of Iron Fist. S2 was better. Defenders was OK.
This.
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Post by: Lonk on March 03, 2019, 08:27:41 PM
Captain Marvel this week, I’m not excited because of the movie itself, but because it means we are closer to Avengers.
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Post by: jammindude on March 03, 2019, 08:39:40 PM
Already bought my tickets in advance.   I am in full on MCU geek mode.   Ever since Ant Man/Wasp came out, I started at the beginning, and every couple of weeks I watched every single film in order and watched IW last night.   I will watch Ant Man/Wasp again on Friday night, and then go see Captain Marvel Saturday afternoon. 

I can't believe the hype isn't even bigger than it already is.   Everyone should be relishing this moment.   2019 is going to be the "peak" of the MCU.   I have a feeling that there will might be a drop off in quality after Phase 3 is finished.   
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Post by: gzarruk on March 03, 2019, 09:06:38 PM
I can't believe the hype isn't even bigger than it already is.   Everyone should be relishing this moment.   2019 is going to be the "peak" of the MCU.   I have a feeling that there will might be a drop off in quality after Phase 3 is finished.   

Thats a very strong possibility, considering most of the original Avengers characters are going to leave, die, be written out, or just getting less prominent roles in the future MCU movies to make room for the newer characters they've been introducing in the last couple years (BP, CM, Spidey...)
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Post by: jammindude on March 03, 2019, 09:12:41 PM
I can't believe the hype isn't even bigger than it already is.   Everyone should be relishing this moment.   2019 is going to be the "peak" of the MCU.   I have a feeling that there will might be a drop off in quality after Phase 3 is finished.   

Thats a very strong possibility, considering most of the original Avengers characters are going to leave, die, be written out, or just getting less prominent roles in the future MCU movies to make room for the newer characters they've been introducing in the last couple years (BP, CM, Spidey...)


Of course....if they manage to make an X-Men film that hits it out of the park, then all bets are off.
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Post by: jammindude on March 03, 2019, 09:42:34 PM
Ok....on second thought....I take it all back.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/marvel-planning-avengers-vs-x-men-movie/
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Post by: Adami on March 03, 2019, 09:53:02 PM
Marvel is not planning an Avengers Vs. X Men movie.

We probably won’t get an x-men movie for 4-5 years as is. That’s assuming they don’t keep them separate under the Fox label.

If the quality goes down, it has nothing to do with the cast retiring. None of these people were big beloved stars before Marvel. Except RDJ who was at the lowest point of his career. Marvel doesn’t seem to have any problem propelling nobodies to huge beloved A listers.
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Post by: jammindude on March 03, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
Marvel is not planning an Avengers Vs. X Men movie.

We probably won’t get an x-men movie for 4-5 years as is. That’s assuming they don’t keep them separate under the Fox label.

If the quality goes down, it has nothing to do with the cast retiring. None of these people were big beloved stars before Marvel. Except RDJ who was at the lowest point of his career. Marvel doesn’t seem to have any problem propelling nobodies to huge beloved A listers.


No :angel:
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Post by: Zantera on March 05, 2019, 02:53:54 AM
I think it's safe to say the X-Men universe will go on a bit of a break before Marvel try to launch their version.

1. Dark Phoenix has been delayed and there were a lot of reports coming out from people with insight that the movie was not in good shape and they were considering not even releasing it for a while, which I guess has changed since we got a trailer the other week. But apparently it's a bit of a Josh Trank/Fantastic Four debacle all over again.

2. New Mutants which has been pushed back 2 or 3 times, apparently it came out yesterday (or day before) that they hadn't started their scheduled reshoots of the movie yet.

If I were to guess I think they will let X-Men rest for at least a few years as IF we get Dark Phoenix soon, the current X-Men will be so fresh in our minds that some time is needed. Also Marvel are going strong with the MCU and already have the next few years mapped out. Personally I think we might get a MCU-Fantastic Four before they reboot X-Men as Fantastic Four already has a few years behind it and I think MCU are eager to show that you can make a good FF-movie after 2 (3 if you count the '90s one) failed attempts to launch it as a franchise. X-Men is definitely a tougher nut to crack as Fox did a pretty good job with it. Not all X-Men movies were great but some of them were really good, and I would argue in most cases they nailed the casting pretty good too.
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Post by: kaos2900 on March 05, 2019, 06:57:02 AM
I have no reason to believe that the quality of the MCU films will drop off. I'm actually excited for the new characters they'll be bringing in. 
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Post by: lordxizor on March 05, 2019, 07:57:46 AM
I'd definitely like to see them take their time with the X-Men, but it will inevitably happen in the MCU. Fantastic Four I honestly couldn't care less about.
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2019, 07:59:53 AM
Honestly, I'm not completely convinced X-Men will be in the MCU.

It's certainly possible, and I am pretty confident certain characters will be able to join, but I dunno. Hard for the MCU to exist this long and THEN introduce an entire new species that has been around for decades and not been noticed.

Plus, from what i can see, Deadpool will stay with Fox either way. I can see X-Men just being under Fox, but under the control of MCU so that the quality goes way up but that there really isn't crossover.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 05, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
So far, for the most part, everything the MCU has tried has worked pretty well and been pretty good quality.  I can't really predict a fall-off or a particular direction beyond what they have told us.
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Post by: Adami on March 05, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
So apparently Captain Marvel is not getting very good reviews. Nothing....awful, but mostly "meh." Thus far. Ah well.

Today starts my big re-watch before Endgame. Gonna watch them chronologically (in universe). So tonight I start with First Avenger, then Thursday is Captain Marvel, then Iron Man etc. Until Endgame in April. Woooo!
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Post by: Samsara on March 05, 2019, 10:16:24 AM
Already bought my tickets in advance.   I am in full on MCU geek mode.   Ever since Ant Man/Wasp came out, I started at the beginning, and every couple of weeks I watched every single film in order and watched IW last night.   I will watch Ant Man/Wasp again on Friday night, and then go see Captain Marvel Saturday afternoon. 

I can't believe the hype isn't even bigger than it already is.   Everyone should be relishing this moment.   2019 is going to be the "peak" of the MCU.   I have a feeling that there will might be a drop off in quality after Phase 3 is finished.   

I am being lazy, but is there a chronological list of the films? I'd go through them 1 by 1 if so...

Captain Marvel doesn't excite me at all. I never even knew of the character, and then when I heard about it, I picked up issue #1 of the new volume of the comic series that started in January to check it out. I made it halfway through. It was written entirely for a teenage girl. While I get that, and realize that most comics were written for boys back in the day, I found the issue to be unreadable. It really soured me on the movie. I'll see it, of course, but my expectations are very, very low. I expect to not like it.
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Post by: lordxizor on March 05, 2019, 10:26:38 AM
Honestly, I'm not completely convinced X-Men will be in the MCU.

It's certainly possible, and I am pretty confident certain characters will be able to join, but I dunno. Hard for the MCU to exist this long and THEN introduce an entire new species that has been around for decades and not been noticed.

Plus, from what i can see, Deadpool will stay with Fox either way. I can see X-Men just being under Fox, but under the control of MCU so that the quality goes way up but that there really isn't crossover.
I could see that as well, but I suspect they will join the MCU at some point. I wouldn't be surprised is Endgame somehow opens a window for them to join via alternate realities or the quantum realm or something like that. The biggest issue will be how to introduce a group of superheros that have existed for decades yet have not been mentioned so far in the MCU.

There's a little jab at the MCU in the most recent Dark Phoenix trailer which I think is rather clever. At one point there's a military group holding the X-Men hostage and their uniforms all say MCU on them.
https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/03/01/x-men-dark-phoenix-trailer-mcu-hunting-mutants/
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Post by: jammindude on March 05, 2019, 01:12:13 PM
The current MCU movies, and the years in which they take place, are as follows:

1943-1945: Captain America: The First Avenger
2010: Iron Man
2011: Iron Man 2, The Incredible Hulk, Thor
2012: The Avengers: Iron Man 3
2013: Thor: The Dark World
2014: Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
2015: Avengers: Age of Ultron, Ant-Man
2016: Captain America: Civil War, Spider-Man: Homecoming
2016-2017: Doctor Strange
2017: Black Panther, Thor Ragnarok, Avengers: Infinity War

They have acknowledged that this makes the dated subtitle at the beginning of Spider-Man technically incorrect. But this is now the official list.

I own them all on Blu-Ray.  :loser:
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Post by: Samsara on March 05, 2019, 01:13:23 PM
Thanks my man. I shall begin my MCU watch this evening!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 05, 2019, 01:23:51 PM
Yeah, there are a few problems with that timeline.  But that's basically it.  You just have to ignore some of the little problems that following that timeline literally creates (and there aren't that many problems, really).  I just find it more helpful to imagine that Doctor Strange actually happened in around 2013 and to ignore the Spiderman timeline glitch.  That pretty much fixes it. 

You did also leave off Ant Man 2 taking place contemporaneously with Infinity War.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 05, 2019, 02:32:11 PM
Wow, what an awful review:  https://www.indiewire.com/2019/03/captain-marvel-review-1202048795/

(slightly spoilery, maybe?)

So many inaccuracies, naked biases, and flat-out instances of just not getting what the MCU films are all about.  I was a bit nervous about the film from reading the lead on that.  Thankfully, it only took me until encountering his use of the term "mansplain" four lines in to reveal that I could probably disregard most of what was being said.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 05, 2019, 02:38:51 PM
The reviews seem mixed, and I'm minded to agree with bosk from the ones I've seen that the more critical (or at least, the ones that are calling it disappointing) seem to be mostly, though not all, in the context of expecting something ground-breaking and different, and therefore a normal Marvel origin movie feels anti-climactic. I get that I guess but I also don't need every Marvel film to be groundbreaking, and indeed they're not.

But yeah some reviews have been really positive. So I'll just see it and make up my own mind!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 05, 2019, 02:52:11 PM
The reviews seem mixed, and I'm minded to agree with bosk from the ones I've seen that the more critical (or at least, the ones that are calling it disappointing) seem to be mostly, though not all, in the context of expecting something ground-breaking and different, and therefore a normal Marvel origin movie feels anti-climactic. I get that I guess but I also don't need every Marvel film to be groundbreaking, and indeed they're not.

I haven't read any reviews other than the one I linked above (the lead got my attention).  But, yeah, I get what you are saying.  That really seemed to be the thrust with that review.  He was expecting something the movie was never meant to be, and he actually seemed to be reviewing very little of the movie itself outside of it not meeting those erroneous expectations.
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Post by: Dream Team on March 05, 2019, 02:52:50 PM
Eh, they should have gone with Black Widow as the first female-led MCU movie. But at least they’re finally making it. I had low expectations for CM anyway, just something to bide time until Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 05, 2019, 02:55:12 PM
I still have zero desire to see a Black Widow movie.  She was "okay" in IM 2.  I thought she was great in the first 20 minutes of Avengers.  And she had a few moments in Winter Soldier.  But other than that, the character is pretty bland.  But then again, most of the MCU is about characters that I never really cared much about, and has done a pretty great job of making the films interesting, so I am prepared to be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 05, 2019, 02:56:54 PM
I guess I'd be labeled as somewhat of an 'outsider' when it comes to the Marvel movies. I've watched 'most' of them because my kids really like them....and the ones I've seen I've really liked. But I will say.....I think the level of 'hype' or 'awesomeness' is a bit inflated by the large Marvel audience out there....and maybe rightfully so if the opinion is they're 'nailing' these characters and what not.

I personally just see them as pretty entertaining movies with some cool effects and action and what not....but haven't put them on this level of superiority that I see the die hard Marvel fans doing. To me they're just really good action movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 05, 2019, 03:08:33 PM
The reviews I've seen, from people I trust, have been that this was essentially a Phase 1 movie. So it has a predictable and kind of generic plot we've seen before. Doesn't make it bad, but when it comes after Black Panther, Thor 3, Infinity War, and so forth, it just comes off as meh.

Personally, I think they should have released this movie back around the time of Avengers and then just never brought her back until Endgame. That way when see the beeper, we're like "OH CRAP SHE'S COMING BACK".

Either way, I'll go in expecting a decent, normal Marvel movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 05, 2019, 03:31:15 PM
Well, but I think we're getting away from one of the most important things we should be doing here at DTF.  One of the things that is such a core of this forum's very being and identity.  What we really should be doing here is...ranking them!

Here's mine:

1.  Avengers: Infinity War - What a huge undertaking.  And so well done.  It is amazing that such a huge film could somehow feel short.  They really brought all the pieces that have been building over the years together in such a satisfying way.
2.  The Avengers - Speaking of bringing the pieces together, this first effort in assembling the hitherto separate team did such a masterful job.  We've had so many movies that it's easy to forget what an undertaking this was and how well they knocked it out of the park.
3.  Spiderman: Homecoming - Such a fun and satisfying take on the character of Spiderman.  It's just so much fun that it's hard to not love it.  There's nothing groundbreaking about it, but it still works.
4.  Thor Ragnarok:  This was such a left turn for the Thor subfranchise, but it absolutely worked.  It was so goofy and quirky, and so fun and cool at the same time.  The only problem I had is that the scale of Asgard as a world and how quickly and easily it got exterminated seemed off.  Rather than making Hela seem so formidable, it just made me feel like Asgard was not all that.  And that cheapened the stakes that seemed so high when Thor had his visions in Age of Ultron.  This film seemed to unintentionally undermine that a bit.  And yet...it's still awesome.
5.  Iron Man - The stakes weren't that high, and the "villain" wasn't that great.  But that's okay.  As an origin story, it worked.  And it was so solid an origin story that the entire MCU has been able to build on it for 21 films. 
6.  Age of Ultron - Yeah, I'm probably in the minority for ranking this so high, but I liked it and can't really find any flaws.  Well, actually, here's one that is a common beef I have with a lot of modern stories: the timeline of events was too tight/short.  Ultron needed to go into hiding for at least several months to secretly build the infrastructure for his plan on Sokovia.  The movie itself didn't need to be longer.  But they just needed to show more passage of time to make it more realistic instead of everything happening virtually instantaneously.
7.  Captain America: The First Avenger - I struggled with where to put this one, but I guess it goes here.  Good way to take the traditional origin of the character and make it fit our modern world.  And it really set up a solid character in Steve Rogers.
8.  Iron Man 3 - Say what you will, but I really liked this film.  It had its flaws.  But the false Mandarin plot was brilliant, IMO.  And the subplot of Tony's fragile emotional state after the battle of NY was really important and pretty well done.
9.  Doctor Strange - Um...yet another Marvel character I never really liked or cared for that was brought to screen in a way that made me like and care for the character.  Lots of fun effects.  I again have the same timeline criticism though.  It needed more passage of time to make it more believable.
10.  Captain America: The Winter Soldier - I don't love this one, but it was good.  And the consequences for future films were pretty big.
11.  Guardians of the Galaxy - I probably don't have to sell anybody on how much unexpected fun this movie was.  The 12-year-old humor crossed the line too many times for this to rank higher, or it could be perhaps top 5.
12.  Captain America: Civil War - Good idea, but for some reason, this one just fell a bit flat for me.  The two sides weren't really fighting and didn't really even want to.  The stakes were supposed to be high.  But they didn't really feel that high.
13.  The Incredible Hulk - Didn't immediately love it.  But looking back, it was pretty good.
14.  Ant Man and Wasp - Intentionally low stakes, and that was fine.  Intentionally funny, and good at it.  This film intentionally did what it set out to do.
15.  Black Panther - Not bad by any stretch.  But I don't love it either.
16.  Ant-Man - Same.  But Black Panther was better.
17.  Thor: The Dark World -  Oh, Thor.  I loved you in the comics.  I love you as a character in the films.  But I don't love your solo films.  But that said, I do like them quite a bit.
18.  Iron Man 2 - The second installment in the Tony Stark saga worked just fine.  Tony was figuring himself out.  Cool.  Just wasn't as much fun as the films that rank above it.
19.  Thor - It wasn't bad.  But I had high expectations, and this film didn't come close to meeting them. 
20.  Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - It certainly had some cool moments.  But easily my least favorite of the bunch.  And all the stuff that had little or nothing to do with Ego was far more interesting and fun than what the bulk of the film was about. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on March 05, 2019, 03:36:22 PM
I will have to think about the ranking, as usual as it ends up with me, I tend to have tiers.

I will be seeing Captain Marvel in Imax on Thursday. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 05, 2019, 03:38:45 PM
I will be seeing Captain Marvel in Imax on Thursday. Should be fun.

I just copies the list of all of them, put IW at the top knowing that that is my favorite, and kept going back to the remaining list each time and asking myself what was my favorite of the ones left. 

Even having done it that way, other than my top 3 and my bottom 2 or so, anything on the list could move up or down a couple of spots on any given day.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 05, 2019, 05:34:59 PM
1. Infinity War
2. Winter Soldier
3. Doctor Strange
4. Civil War
5. Avengers
6. GOTG
7. Black Panther
8. Iron Man
9. Spider-Man
10. First Avenger
11. Ant Man
12. GOTG 2
13. Age of Ultron
14. Ragnarok
15. Iron Man 2
16. Ant Man/Wasp
17. Thor
18. The Incredible Hulk
19. Thor - Dark World
20. Iron Man 3


I don't "not like" any of them.     I would watch any one of them again.   

And to address what gmillerdrake said about them being just good.    In a way, you're right.   But it's sortof like the whole is better than the sum of its parts situation.   Even the "just OK" movies are elevated by the scope of the universe.   The Incredible Hulk for instance.   If it had been just a movie that came out 10 years ago, made a bunch of money, and then gone on to cable purgatory....I would most likely never own it, or watch it.  I wouldn't care.   But the fact that it is a small part of a larger story enhances my enjoyment of it.    Instead of being a short, forgettable sonnet, it becomes an important piece of "ACT I".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 05, 2019, 08:24:22 PM
I assume this post will get lost in a bunch of rankings, but such is life.

Started my big rewatch tonight with Cap First Avenger. Many of these movies I’ve only seen maybe 2-3 times and not in a long time. I know a lot of people did the big rewatch for Infinity War but I waited for Endgame.

Anyway. Cap 1 was much better than I remember. It gets a lot of hate but I really liked it.

Also at the beginning when Red Skull gets the tesseract, I was like “woah is that Walder Frey?” And lo and behold it was. Crazy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2019, 08:37:00 AM
Started my big rewatch tonight with Cap First Avenger. Many of these movies I’ve only seen maybe 2-3 times and not in a long time. I know a lot of people did the big rewatch for Infinity War but I waited for Endgame.
That's cool.  Wish I had the time.

Anyway. Cap 1 was much better than I remember. It gets a lot of hate but I really liked it.

It gets a lot of hate?  It's a good movie.  I don't think I've noticed any "hate" for it, outside of maybe people who don't like Marvel/superhero movies anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
Hate is a strong word, but it usually gets lumped in with the bottom tier Marvel movies.

And even though I think Winter Soldier and Civil War are better movies, there are aspects to Rogers that this movie hits that the others just haven't. Him being socially uncomfortable and him being an artist to relieve stress. The other movies kind of dropped that for the most part.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on March 06, 2019, 12:25:11 PM
Agreed.  I thought The First Avenger was fine, a good origin story that had some tricky stuff to navigate and include (the Tesseract, Red Skull, Stark, etc).  But when Winter Soldier came out, everyone talked about how much of an improvement it was over The First Avenger because of all the Awesome Action!  I'm pretty sure I saw The First Avenger called "boring" by comparison.

So to me it's not so much that TFA was weak or anything, it's that it tends to be overshadowed by the later Captain America movies which have a lot more spectacle (aka Awesome Action!) to them.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on March 06, 2019, 03:18:21 PM
I just saw Captain Marvel. It was OK.
Probably the weakest origin-movie in the MCU, but it had some really cool moments. When she finally goes full Captain Marvel it's all kinds of awesome.

I have two main problems with the movie.
The first is the tone and structure. It kind of feels like they didn't really know what movie they wanted to make, and it ended up feeling like a work in progress.
The second is the fact that they have a super talented actress in Brie Larsson, and that they chose to give her pretty much zero personality. Hopefully they will tweak it in Endgame.
Talos and Goose were the absolute highlights! I'm a bit torn on Nick Fury here though. Sam Jackson gives it all, and it is great, but he plays a completely different version of the character than we are used to. He is basically the comic relief. I know this is before the modern version of SHIELD and all, but it felt a bit wierd.
It's not a bad movie, it's just kind of forgetable.
6/10.

Stay for the mid credits. Holy shit.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 06, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Stay for the mid credits. Holy shit.

Probably my only reason to go watch the movie tbh.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2019, 04:03:40 PM
Stay for the mid credits. Holy shit.

Probably my only reason to go watch the movie tbh.

Well that seems silly. In a day or two (if not now) you can probably just google what it is. No need in spending money to watch 20 seconds of something.


I guess I've seen a big trend (not necessary you) of people who just want to know how it all ends/ties together. The journey doesn't matter at all, just the ending. It's like suffering through a whole season of a show just to watch the season finale. It's fun to do this re-watch because I'm able to just enjoy these movies without needing to know what happens next. They're good/fine/great/meh movies on their own, I'd probably just give up if all I cared about was how it impacted The Avengers movie or the big overarching story.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2019, 04:26:01 PM
I don't normally say this out loud very often, but...Adami's kinda right.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 06, 2019, 08:30:26 PM
Stay for the mid credits. Holy shit.

Probably my only reason to go watch the movie tbh.

Well that seems silly. In a day or two (if not now) you can probably just google what it is. No need in spending money to watch 20 seconds of something.


I guess I've seen a big trend (not necessary you) of people who just want to know how it all ends/ties together. The journey doesn't matter at all, just the ending. It's like suffering through a whole season of a show just to watch the season finale. It's fun to do this re-watch because I'm able to just enjoy these movies without needing to know what happens next. They're good/fine/great/meh movies on their own, I'd probably just give up if all I cared about was how it impacted The Avengers movie or the big overarching story.

That's not my case at all. I love the MCU and was really really excited about this film at first. I've watched all the movies as soon as they hit the theaters, watched all the tv shows... even Inhumans lol (I've watched everything except Runaways, I guess). But the recent controversy regarding this film left a sour taste in my mouth. I hate that Brie Larson is taking what seems to be a good, fun film and turning it into unhealty, extreme feministic propaganda. Don't know what I'm talking about? Just google it and you'll find plenty of videos explaining this.

Marvel isn't really helping this issue either. I supported 100% their decision to fire James Gunn because he was messing with some pretty serious stuff, though you could say they went a bit too far, considering he said those things maaaany years ago, but now they seem to be ok with all the stuff Brie is saying/doing or are just too scared to say something about it because all the SJW would inmediately jump at them. When it stops being about making a fun comicbook film for your audience to enjoy and it becomes a PC propaganda thing, some people (like me) just get very upset.

I'll still watch the movie next week, but only because I want to see how they're setting things up for Endgame and not because I'm genuinely excited about the film. Oh well...

Sorry for the rant.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 06, 2019, 08:40:24 PM
I feel ya. Like I said, it wasn't directed really at you, but I've seen that sentiment quite often.


As far as Brie Larson goes, I have seen what she has said. And it was simply that she wanted more inclusivity. That's all. There was no extremist feminist stuff. There was a whole lot of misunderstandings, and a whole lot more of people saying she is an extremist feminist, but that's all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on March 06, 2019, 08:53:21 PM
I was writing more on this but after a while of typing, I just don't feel is worth getting mad at this, so I discarded that. I hope the movie does well, but also hope they put a filter on Brie's media interaction, because it doesn't look like she (just like certain famous drummer we all like to talk about here) is aware of the consequences her words/actions in mass media.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on March 07, 2019, 05:18:31 AM
Seeing Captain Marvel tonight, pretty hyped. Not expecting it to be one of the top Marvel movies, just hoping for some entertainment and some hype for Endgame. :)

For anyone who has seen it, was there both a mid-credits and post-credits scene?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 07, 2019, 07:29:55 AM

For anyone who has seen it, was there both a mid-credits and post-credits scene?

yes
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 07, 2019, 09:57:46 AM
I was writing more on this but after a while of typing, I just don't feel is worth getting mad at this, so I discarded that. I hope the movie does well, but also hope they put a filter on Brie's media interaction, because it doesn't look like she (just like certain famous drummer we all like to talk about here) is aware of the consequences her words/actions in mass media.

I hear you.  And to an extent, I agree.  I had read a few things about what she said, and I was initially pretty annoyed with that as well.  But in looking further (and I haven't seen EVERYTHING she has said), my understanding is that what she ACTUALLY said is being spun way out of context and isn't a fair representation of what she said at all. 

My limited understanding is that she was responding directly to what a few critics were saying, and that those critics were unfairly zeroing in on the "girl power!" aspect of the film and losing sight of the actual film itself.  And, look, we all know that professional critics are often clueless and say/write really dumb things and take really dumb positions that sometimes aren't reflective of the actual quality of a film.  So, she was responding to some generalizations about what critics were saying, and with the stereotype that critics are often middle-aged white guys, and she was basically saying, IN THAT SPECIFIC CONTEXT, "So a bunch of middle-aged white guys don't like the movie.  Well, guess what?  They aren't the target audience, so I don't really care."  That's it.  It wasn't really meant to be a feminist manifesto, or to be anti-male or anti-white.  It was just an inartful way of saying something that, in principle, we probably agree with: "Critics are generally out of touch and aren't the target audience for a superhero film (especially one that takes a slightly different path of creating a hero that little girls can specifically identify with), so who cares whether they like it?"

Honestly, I don't really have much of a problem with that.  Again, I haven't dug into it very deeply, and she may have said some other things, or I may be missing part of the context too.  But from my limited understanding, she's not anywhere near as off base as she is being painted by some.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 07, 2019, 10:13:15 AM
Ok tonight's the night, gonna be good to get some new MCU after such a long break. I'm watching Ant Man and the Wasp now, and thought I'd comment that when they go to visit Fishburne's character for the first time when he's teaching at Berkeley, he's actually teaching in the physics building Evan's hall...I'd notice that interior anywhere. I'll probably give Cap a spin as well today so I can do the whole thing before Endgame...



Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on March 07, 2019, 11:21:32 AM
Got my ticket for Captain Marvel for tonight, very excited :hat
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on March 07, 2019, 11:30:00 AM
I was writing more on this but after a while of typing, I just don't feel is worth getting mad at this, so I discarded that. I hope the movie does well, but also hope they put a filter on Brie's media interaction, because it doesn't look like she (just like certain famous drummer we all like to talk about here) is aware of the consequences her words/actions in mass media.

I hear you.  And to an extent, I agree.  I had read a few things about what she said, and I was initially pretty annoyed with that as well.  But in looking further (and I haven't seen EVERYTHING she has said), my understanding is that what she ACTUALLY said is being spun way out of context and isn't a fair representation of what she said at all. 

My limited understanding is that she was responding directly to what a few critics were saying, and that those critics were unfairly zeroing in on the "girl power!" aspect of the film and losing sight of the actual film itself.  And, look, we all know that professional critics are often clueless and say/write really dumb things and take really dumb positions that sometimes aren't reflective of the actual quality of a film.  So, she was responding to some generalizations about what critics were saying, and with the stereotype that critics are often middle-aged white guys, and she was basically saying, IN THAT SPECIFIC CONTEXT, "So a bunch of middle-aged white guys don't like the movie.  Well, guess what?  They aren't the target audience, so I don't really care."  That's it.  It wasn't really meant to be a feminist manifesto, or to be anti-male or anti-white.  It was just an inartful way of saying something that, in principle, we probably agree with: "Critics are generally out of touch and aren't the target audience for a superhero film (especially one that takes a slightly different path of creating a hero that little girls can specifically identify with), so who cares whether they like it?"

Honestly, I don't really have much of a problem with that.  Again, I haven't dug into it very deeply, and she may have said some other things, or I may be missing part of the context too.  But from my limited understanding, she's not anywhere near as off base as she is being painted by some.

I haven't read everything she's said either, but I did see the comment you've quoted above, and if that's the basis for the whole "controversy" then yeah, it's way out of proportion.  I didn't have any problem with what she said even before I had the context, partly because it seemed that the context was clear, and partly because she's right anyway.

Basically, people are tired of everyone assuming middle-aged white guys are the target audience for everything, and middle-aged white guys need to get over that.  The rest of society already has.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 07, 2019, 12:35:01 PM
As a middle aged white guy I couldn't agree with you more Orbert.

7 hours till showtime!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 07, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
As a middle aged white guy I couldn't agree with you more Orbert.

7 hours till showtime!!

Wait, you're going to see CM tonight and NOT going to the Neal Morse show at Slim's?  What's the deal?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on March 07, 2019, 12:43:26 PM
So where does everyone rank the Ben Affleck movie portrayal of Daredevil. I've become a huge DD fan in recent years, to the point that next to Batman & Robin, he's my favorite superhero. I watched the Affleck movie years ago, but need a re-watch now that I am a big fan of the character. Has anyone seen it since the DD Netflix show aired? How does it hold up?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on March 07, 2019, 12:47:42 PM
p.s. regarding the above discussion, isn't it just OK for middle-aged white guys to just not like something because...it doesn't suit their tastes/wasn't written in a perspective that would appeal to them?

I'm a middle-aged white guy. I have my reservations about Captain Marvel because of the comic book I read. It doesn't make me a bad person because I feel that way, or if I come away from the film not liking it because it isn't directed at me. It just means (if that ends up being how I feel), I simply don't like it. Isn't that OK?

When did it become a crime to be a middle aged white guy with expectations on how a comic book movie will turn out/who it targets?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 07, 2019, 01:03:55 PM
So where does everyone rank the Ben Affleck movie portrayal of Daredevil. I've become a huge DD fan in recent years, to the point that next to Batman & Robin, he's my favorite superhero. I watched the Affleck movie years ago, but need a re-watch now that I am a big fan of the character. Has anyone seen it since the DD Netflix show aired? How does it hold up?

Never saw it.  The character has never been one I have been interested in, so I never saw the film.  I only tried the Netflix series because it was SO highly regarded.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 07, 2019, 03:08:15 PM
p.s. regarding the above discussion, isn't it just OK for middle-aged white guys to just not like something because...it doesn't suit their tastes/wasn't written in a perspective that would appeal to them?

I'm a middle-aged white guy. I have my reservations about Captain Marvel because of the comic book I read. It doesn't make me a bad person because I feel that way, or if I come away from the film not liking it because it isn't directed at me. It just means (if that ends up being how I feel), I simply don't like it. Isn't that OK?

When did it become a crime to be a middle aged white guy with expectations on how a comic book movie will turn out/who it targets?

No one said any of that. Just that it's ALSO aimed at other people, and if middle-aged white people can't relate to the character, that might NOT be a flaw with the character. That's all she's saying. The defensiveness is all on you guys.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on March 07, 2019, 03:47:16 PM
Adami,

I really don't appreciate you categorizing me as "defensive" with the "you guys" comment. I just think it stands to reason that a middle-age white guy, who is a comic book fan, can go into a movie and simply not like it because he is not the type of audience its looking to corral. And there's nothing wrong with that. I haven't seen it yet. Maybe I will like it. Maybe I won't. But if I don't, and the reason is because it is meant for a different age bracket, or aimed at a different gender, I shouldn't be ripped to shreds for it.

The comic I read, Captain Marvel #1 (which I got halfway through) - was clearly intended for a different audience. I thought it was terrible, and stopped reading. I'm not wrong for disliking it, nor am I likely wrong for the reason.

That's not being defensive, that's just calling it how I interpreted it.

I have no qualms with what the actress said, but that said, it shouldn't be a crime for a 40-something white guy to not like a film because it panders to a different audience. The comic book industry gets most of its money these days from middle-age people. We're the ones with the disposable income. So if they put out a movie or a product that panders to a different audience, that's fine, and I get it, but it shouldn't be wrong for someone to politely point out why he may not like it.

Personally, I hope when I see it, that I'll like it. And if I don't, I really hope people here, if I end up saying that, don't attack someone for explaining the reason why (if that indeed ends up being the reason).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 07, 2019, 04:00:05 PM
Their defensiveness on them. Yours is on you.


You can like or not like whatever. It’s never wrong or a crime or anything.

But also no one saying that. Hence your defensiveness is on you. You’re reacting to something that was never said.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on March 07, 2019, 04:01:35 PM
Samsara, I think the problem is that people weren't just saying that they didn't like it because they weren't the target audience (which seems to be what you're saying and I don't think anyone has a problem with that), but that there was something wrong with the movie or the movie was at fault for them not being the target audience.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on March 07, 2019, 04:05:31 PM
Also, I thought the Daredevil movie with Ben Affleck was pretty good.  I liked his take on Matt Murdock.  I've never seen the TV series.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 07, 2019, 04:10:50 PM
As a middle aged white guy I couldn't agree with you more Orbert.

7 hours till showtime!!

Wait, you're going to see CM tonight and NOT going to the Neal Morse show at Slim's?  What's the deal?

Eh, I just don't hold the prog boner most of the others here do for Neal.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 07, 2019, 05:54:58 PM
Samsara, I think the problem is that people weren't just saying that they didn't like it because they weren't the target audience (which seems to be what you're saying and I don't think anyone has a problem with that), but that there was something wrong with the movie or the movie was at fault for them not being the target audience.

This is pretty much what I was going to say.   The problem tends to be with people who cannot speak about the objective merits of a film *as a film* without letting their own "this isn't for me" glasses getting in the way. 

Off the top of my head, I started watching the 3hr Magnolia not knowing what I was getting into.   One hour into the movie, I hated every single character SO MUCH, that I almost shut it off.    Everyone in that movie is *terrible* and almost impossible to relate to.   But I stuck it out, and 2hrs in, I began to become intrigued by the tension created between certain characters.   And by the end, I was bawling my eyes out.     I still don't really personally relate to anyone in the film.   But that is an AMAZING film...  Now it's one of my top 5 all time. 

Other films don't hit me that much.   I've seen some films that I would probably not revisit (because they weren't "for me") but I can still appreciate that they were really good, films.    Birdman wasn't really relatable, and it's not something I would go out of my way to rewatch.   But wow....that is actually really an excellent film on so many levels.     Maybe that's one I might pull off the shelf when I feel like "art for art's sake".    But it's not really something that I walk away from feeling connected to. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on March 07, 2019, 07:22:39 PM
I have a similar conversation with people about beer styles, and the analogy I always use is seafood. I don't eat any seafood at all (aside from fried calamari, which, let's face it, doesn't really count). A chef could serve me the most perfectly prepared salmon or lobster and I wouldn't like it, and that's fine. But it wouldn't make sense for me to say the chef's terrible because of it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 07, 2019, 10:24:09 PM
My first impressions of Captain Marvel are definitely good. I loved the movie and I feel confident saying after my first viewing of the movie that she is easily one of my top five favorite MCU heroes. Confident, powerful, humble, and funny. I cannot wait to see how she fits in with the rest of the Avengers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 07, 2019, 10:52:33 PM
Just got out...loved the flick. As he stated above, she's a great hero, and they did a wonderful job of setting her up to take over the MCU mantle. I'm constantly amazed at the quality difference between the MCU and DC films, the MCU is just able to do the extreme without it seeming silly and stupid like it does in DC (ie the end of Aquaman).

I'll post more thoughts later, when more have seen it, but I'll surely see it again in a week or so.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on March 07, 2019, 10:57:11 PM
Just back from my viewing, I liked it as well. A very solid movie, not in my MCU top 5 but maybe sneaking in at the end of the top 10. The mid credits scene has me hyped for next month.

Also, Goose is the best.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 07, 2019, 11:15:11 PM
Goose nearly stole the show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on March 08, 2019, 02:42:06 AM
Relating to a character was never something I felt I needed to do. I just watch movies for entertainment. Captain Marvel not being relatable isn't going to make me not want to go see the movie. Bad reviews might. I'd like to be up to date though, and there's no way CM is popping up on Netflix before Endgame comes out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on March 08, 2019, 04:06:58 AM
I'd put it as a lower tier Marvel Movie.   Better than Iron Man 2, Thor : Dark World and Incredible Hunk. It's in the next tier up with First Avenger, Dr Strange, Antman & Wasp, GotG2.

Depict that ranking I still enjoyed it quite a bit, Marvel still haven't done anything close to a bad movie (yet).

6.5/10.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 08, 2019, 05:14:52 AM
The overall balance of reviews seems to be essentially that it's not as amazing or ground-breaking as many would have liked but it's still solid. It's got an 81% on Rotten Tomatoes.


Relating to a character was never something I felt I needed to do. I just watch movies for entertainment. Captain Marvel not being relatable isn't going to make me not want to go see the movie.
Completely agreed. This isn't at all a criticism of Samsara or others who have expressed similar views, it's just something that I've never really understood.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on March 08, 2019, 07:21:03 AM
Yeah it was pretty good, I'd agree with those saying it's kinda in the middle to lower-half, not among the worst.

I think some things work really well, for me the stuff that didn't work was mostly the execution of a few things and some of the choices. Without getting too spoilery, the few "emotional" scenes when someone tries to inspire someone else with a speech fell kinda flat for me, and there was a music choice towards the end where the song just felt out of place and took me out of it. I would say it was the opposite of Immigrant Song in Thor Ragnarok when I felt "aww yeah", in this case it was more "oh no".

There was also some weird things structure wise in the first 1/3 of the movie but it was an artistic decision to fit with the plot. I kinda get why they had to structure the movie that way, just for me it felt a bit awkward.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on March 08, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
Also, I thought the Daredevil movie with Ben Affleck was pretty good.  I liked his take on Matt Murdock.  I've never seen the TV series.

Its been so long since I saw the movie with Affleck. I'll re-watch it this weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 08, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
Yeah it was pretty good, I'd agree with those saying it's kinda in the middle to lower-half, not among the worst.

I think some things work really well, for me the stuff that didn't work was mostly the execution of a few things and some of the choices. Without getting too spoilery, the few "emotional" scenes when someone tries to inspire someone else with a speech fell kinda flat for me, and there was a music choice towards the end where the song just felt out of place and took me out of it. I would say it was the opposite of Immigrant Song in Thor Ragnarok when I felt "aww yeah", in this case it was more "oh no".

There was also some weird things structure wise in the first 1/3 of the movie but it was an artistic decision to fit with the plot. I kinda get why they had to structure the movie that way, just for me it felt a bit awkward.

I know the exact song you're talking about, and yeah I did a slight facepalm there as well. As to the structure, I didn't mind that at all, I figured when dealing with missing memory and whatnot, there'd be some jumbling.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 08, 2019, 10:42:34 AM
Daredevil (with Affleck) ain't bad. Though I've heard the director's cut isn't bad, but the theatrical is. So maybe that's what I saw. I saw it once and thought it was okay. Silly, campy, like a middle step between Batman Forever and X-Men, if that makes sense.


Anywho, saw Captain Marvel last night.


I was pleasantly surprised. My main reviewers, most of them anyway, REALLY didn't like it. They didn't hate it, but I think they'd call it worst Marvel movie.

A lot of the criticisms are very valid. The movie has very little direction or message. Carol Danvers doesn't have much personality (but she has...a little) and it's a bit all over the place tone wise. All very valid.

In fact, I'd say the first half is downright mediocre, and I was worried for how it will go. Luckily the 2nd half is much much better.

I'd say this would have been a great phase 1 movie. But we're at a point with Marvel where directors are putting in a lot of character into their movies. I know Ryan Coogler directed Black Panther, or that the Russo's did their movies, or that Peyten Reed did Ant-Man or that Waititi did Ragnarok because those movies have a very strong vision and direction. This movie........didn't. It's more like Thor 2 or something where anyone could have directed it. Not a lot of strong vision going on, which we expect from Marvel these days. I hope they give her much more personality in Endgame (I have faith in Marcus and McFeely for that) and her sequels. Get new writers/directors for those sequels though. These guys aren't the right choice, sorry.

But yea, a lot more to say, but that's the gist of it. I'd agree with a 6.5/10 rating. I really enjoyed it, but it's bottom half of Marvel (which is still good quality).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 08, 2019, 04:51:33 PM
The Affleck Daredevil was decent.  Pretty good for that era, but suffers in comparison to the MCU.  As I recall, the movie was originally a pretty low-budget affair, but after the box office success of the first Spider-Man movie, the studio threw a bunch more money in for the FX.   

The Director's Cut is better, IMO.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 08, 2019, 09:37:31 PM
I have tickets to see Captain Marvel at 3pm tomorrow. 

After watching a movie every couple of weeks for the last several months, I finally got current.  Rewatched Infinity War last weekend, and watching Ant Man/Wasp tonight. 

I'll give my thoughts when I get home tomorrow.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on March 09, 2019, 06:45:17 AM
I thought Captain Marvel was good, but suffered form the typical generic-ness of almost all Marvel movies. It was still a fun movie, probably somewhere in the middle of the pack for the best MCU movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 09, 2019, 08:22:14 AM
Taking the kids to see it tonight. I’m sure they’ll enjoy it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: masterthes on March 09, 2019, 08:50:41 AM
It was very solid, but I wasn't a fan of who they casted as Mar-Vell. The Doctor Strange casting was one thing, but this was ridiculous. The Stan Lee cameo was very cute. The first post credits scene was a great teaser for Endgame
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
It was very solid, but I wasn't a fan of who they casted as Mar-Vell. The Doctor Strange casting was one thing, but this was ridiculous. The Stan Lee cameo was very cute. The first post credits scene was a great teaser for Endgame

I had no problem with the casting for Mar-Vell. I just had a problem with it being a nothing role. Mar-Vell had almost no impact on anything, and that was a shame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 09, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
Also, while very very short, I was very moved by the Stan Lee cameo. Maybe it's also because I'm a giant Kevin Smith fan (not all of his movies) as well as fan of Kevin Smith as a person and his relationship with Stan. I know Kevin posted a response to seeing the cameo saying he started crying and how moved he was by it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 09, 2019, 08:15:27 PM
Most of what you guys said is pretty spot on.   I myself was actually hoping for it to be as good or better than Wonder Woman, and I don't think it achieved that.   But it was really good.  7/10, and still no duds in the official MCU film series. 

I disagree with the consensus that the first half of the film was klunky (or other similar adjective).   I found it to be a bit jarring, but that was fitting with the confusion that the main character was going through.   So I felt like it worked. 

But ya....that song choice....classic definition of "forcing".    Totally fell flat.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on March 10, 2019, 03:35:34 AM
I'm someone who doesn't care at all about the female aspect of the movie. I grew up reading comic books and there were a bunch of superheroes I thought were amazing. Sure, some I connected to more, like Spider-Man, the fact that Peter Parker like myself was a young white man definitely helped, but there were plenty of characters with not much likeliness to myself that I still enjoyed and appreciated on other levels.

Going into Captain Marvel I don't care it's a female hero and not male, if anything it offers some variety and in the case of MCU we've been waiting for it for a while (though most of us probably though Black Widow would come first). I took issue with the choice of a song that was really on the nose because to me, that's when the filmmakers decided that for a few minutes they would stop treating it seriously and they would acknowledge the sexist view point of a movie like this, "hey look she's a girl and she's kicking everyone's ass".

I'm not much for politics in movies and I don't really care either way about the importance in society that Black Panther or Captain Marvel brings, I only go into these movies to see entertaining movies. I don't know, THAT scene in Captain Marvel definitely felt like a step back, like those scenes you used to see in 90s or 80s movies. I feel like in 2019, and also following Wonder Woman, there shouldn't be a need for that scene that winks to the audience and says "hey, look this girl is badass and she can beat the boys".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 10, 2019, 06:33:36 AM
But ya....that song choice....classic definition of "forcing".    Totally fell flat.

It was a rather tragic choice, no doubt.  Ya know, Queen's "Don't Stop Me Now" would've been pretty cool there.

I feel like in 2019, and also following Wonder Woman, there shouldn't be a need for that scene that winks to the audience and says "hey, look this girl is badass and she can beat the boys".

I agree, with the bold in emphasis.  But that's our - a bunch of guys - perspective.  I'm curious if females audience-goers have a different take or not.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on March 10, 2019, 07:49:38 AM
The whole "I'm just a girl" thing didn't resonate with me either, nor was it likely meant to. I'd be curious how many women felt empowered by it. I personally never feel empowered by white men gaining super powers and kicking ass, but maybe some do.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 10, 2019, 03:15:08 PM
Enjoyed Captain Marvel.....if I were to grade it I’d go maybe 7/10. My kiddos loved it......I liked how it showcased her unleashed power which will come in handy.

The whole "I'm just a girl" thing didn't resonate with me either, nor was it likely meant to. I'd be curious how many women felt empowered by it. I personally never feel empowered by white men gaining super powers and kicking ass, but maybe some do.

Yeah....I know it’s not aimed at men but me personally.....and this is going to sound real mean or bad or whatever.....but I’m completely ‘over’ this girl power stuff. I understand the reasoning behind it....yes it’s true.....it used to really suck to be a woman in certain aspects. Got it. There’s been a significant amount of awareness raised and progress made.....sure there’s still some to go......but for me....there’s making your point and then there’s going over the top. Thought the ‘message’ in this one was a bit over the top.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 10, 2019, 03:26:37 PM
In a lot of regards, there's much more than just "still some to go" and it's a shame that these sorts of things are putting people off.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 10, 2019, 04:11:23 PM
In a lot of regards, there's much more than just "still some to go" and it's a shame that these sorts of things are putting people off.

I’m not intending to start a P/R debate over the topic.....only suggesting that for ME these heavy handed over the top methods that some Movies, TV shows...entertainers/entertainment  in general use to ‘educate’ us on a topic are more offputting to me than helping their cause.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 10, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
I want to underline that it wasn't the song....or the message...or anything of a sort that I objected to.  It was completely about the "feel" of the music as juxtaposed to the climactic fight with the baddie.

If you had to pick a 90s "girl power" anthem, "Bitch" would have worked a lot better.   There are certainly other choices as well.   Anything from Morrisette would have had a much more "aggressive" and kick ass feel that fit the scene better.    It was strictly the "mood" of the music itself that felt off.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on March 10, 2019, 06:37:25 PM
In a lot of regards, there's much more than just "still some to go" and it's a shame that these sorts of things are putting people off.

It’s not the message itself, it’s the overkill, over the top, in your face vibe from a lot of these movies and shows.

But I liked the movie. Deff a bottom tier Marvel movie for me but still descent. 7/10. The thing that killed it for me is that it felt this movie was from phase 1, a movie that would’ve benefit from being released in 2011-2012
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 10, 2019, 06:46:13 PM
The only part of the movie that felt even slightly “in your face” was the last fight song. That’s it. Nothing else about this movie seemed preachy at all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on March 10, 2019, 09:05:38 PM
The only part of the movie that felt even slightly “in your face” was the last fight song. That’s it. Nothing else about this movie seemed preachy at all.

Exactly how I felt...other than that song choice I actually loved the girl power aspect of the film. The montage of her as a kid getting up and dusting herself off was especially wonderful, and is definitely something I would want my daughter to see. (granted with my kid, she was at the first showing as well so there was no convincing needed #nerddad)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 10, 2019, 09:16:28 PM
The songs in general were way too on the nose. Guardians knew how to do that, but these guys didn't.

But the idea of her being strong isn't "girl power", it's just people power. She just happens to be a girl. I've only seen it once but I don't recall anyone ever making a big deal out of her being a girl. She was just a super strong hero (with very little personality) that just happened to be a girl.

Luckily, it seems the people with an anti-Cap Marvel agenda did not screw anything up. Movie made almost half a billion opening weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on March 11, 2019, 04:41:15 AM
I like No Doubt and think they have made some good songs but like others said it was the clash of the tone of the song with the tone of the movie. And also, maybe just my personal preference but I like subtle use of music. I think music can enhance and if you pick the right music with a scene it can make it awesome (as I said before Immigrant Song in Thor Ragnarok was so great) but then like someone else said, I'm not a woman so their attempt at "female empowerment" flew over my head and I'd be curious to hear how the female part of the audience felt about it.

But I'm trying to imagine the counter part, like a Superman movie and a scene when he goes full badass mode IF they were to play some song about how awesome men are and I thought I would feel equally cringe over it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 11, 2019, 06:11:46 AM
There were enough subtle and appropriate ways to highlight the "woman" issue - "I have nothing to prove to you", and then dragging him to his little ship. Using that tune was forced and contrived, and that is my beef.

But as Adams said, my bigger beef is her lack or personality and charisma. I'm not sure if that's how the character was intended to be - a stoic Kree Warrior - but I think it would've been appropriate that , she could have regained her humanity as she regained her memories. Even the exchange with Monica was dull and flat.

it felt this movie was from phase 1, a movie that would’ve benefit from being released in 2011-2012

BINGO!  But that didn't "kill it" for me personally. We've been spoi led with the recent batch of movies - especially Civil War and Infinity War- in the complexities and intricacies of them.  Now a simple origin story comes out, and it seems to feel like a step back for some. Not me, I thought it was as good as any of the origin stories.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 11, 2019, 07:14:40 AM
but then like someone else said, I'm not a woman so their attempt at "female empowerment" flew over my head and I'd be curious to hear how the female part of the audience felt about it.
Incredibly tiny and obviously unrepresentative sample, but the three women I know who have seen it and posted about it on Facebook or Twitter absolutely loved the film.

Likewise I'm also interested in the wider picture. IMDB ratings are 8.0 average for women and 6.9 for men, but the latter will be skewed by *some* trolls rating it 1 star simply because it's female led, as evident from the overall rating distribution: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
Most of what you guys said is pretty spot on.   I myself was actually hoping for it to be as good or better than Wonder Woman, and I don't think it achieved that.   But it was really good.  7/10, and still no duds in the official MCU film series. 

Yeah, it didn't come anywhere near WW, and it's too bad.  For me, the movie overall was "good."  It was standard Marvel fair, it was fun and told a good story, and it moved the ball forward in advancing and expanding the MCU storyline.  That, in and of itself, would have maybe put it around 7.5  / 10.  But to me, it had some glaring flaws that took me out of the moment to the point that, the more I think about them, the more jarring and frustrating they are.  Maybe I'm overanalyzing, or maybe I need to see it again to put them in context, but here are my two major issues:

1.  How Fury lost an eye:  First off, we didn't need this.  That in and of itself isn't necessarily a "problem" or a reason to feel that the film was dragged down.  But it is a problem when something that is completely unnecessary is also completely mishandled.  I have two major problems with this sequence.  First, by this time, Fury had come to realize that Goose was a Flerken, and that Flerkens can be incredibly dangerous.  There is absolutely NO reason for him to have been so stupid as to continue treating it like a cat and going nose to nose making cutesy noises with the business end of Goose.  That's like an experienced agent playing around with a gun and holding it to his face staring down the barrel.  There's just NO WAY that that ever happens.  Second, when Goose scratches him, he is totally nonchalant about it in that moment and for the rest of the film.  "Oh, er...ow.  Oh well, let's go to Maria's have have some dinner, and I'll help with the dishes.  And, uh, no problem, I'll just take Goose back to base with me too.  We'll all good."  This really made no sense at all.  Yeah, it's a super hero film, not a deep drama.  But it still needs to make sense within its own universe.  Unless I'm missing something (and I could be), this sequence makes zero sense, and as such, really takes me out of the experience of the movie.  And the fact that it didn't even need to be in there at all makes its mishandling even more egregious.

2.  They mishandled her overpoweredness.  Her being able to cut through a Kree warship without barely even thinking about it is impressive enough.  And from everything that's been said about the character, that's barely even the tip of the iceberg.  And yet, at other times, her energy blasts just...knock people down and maybe stun them a bit.  So...which is it?  The movie could never make up its mind.  Granted, when you get into the realm of having such overpowered characters, that is always a huge challenge.  But in a universe as rich and well developed as the MCU, I feel like the audience was owed a better effort to balance this than what we got. 

To me, these are HUGE flaws that drag it down to a 5.5 or 6.

That said, I still enjoyed it.  There were a lot of very cool things going on.  The montage of her getting up and dusting herself off was amazing.  The humor was done really well.  I loved that Goose actually was a Flerken.  Talos was one of the best aspects of the film.  And the story, as a whole, was a good one.  It's just too bad they couldn't have figured out some of the things that dragged it down for me.  To me, these are not simply "personal preference" issues.  They are actual flaws--mistakes that could and should have been avoided.  And that's a quality issue. 

I disagree with the consensus that the first half of the film was klunky (or other similar adjective).   I found it to be a bit jarring, but that was fitting with the confusion that the main character was going through.   So I felt like it worked.

I think it not only worked, but worked really well.  It was a good idea that served the story.  I had zero problem with it.

But ya....that song choice....classic definition of "forcing".    Totally fell flat.

I knew about it in advance.  I had seen a reference.  So when it started, I was not surprised at all.  And I couldn't help but involuntarily shake my head.  But here's the thing--I wasn't shaking my head in disapproval.  I was shaking my had and smiling because...well, it was fitting and fun.  And when I say "fun," I mean that it just felt like an appropriate level of quirky, awkward self-awareness that fit with the overall tone of the film pretty well.  This could have been a very serious story.  And maybe there is a good argument to be made that it "should" have been more serious and stayed away from the light, comical "Ragnarok" tone.  But it is what it is, and that moment at least felt genuine and consistent to me with the overall tone of the film.  Maybe it was just a bit too much for some.  I get that.  But as with some of the other "issues" many had with the film, I had zero problem with this.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2019, 08:56:18 AM
Totally agree on Fury's eye. By that point, I was like "wait, it's near the end and he still has his eye, that's cool that they just tricked us and won't add.....ohhhh never mind, that's dumb"


As far as your 2nd point about her powers, I'd imagine it's not a 0 or 100 thing. She can likely control how much power she's exerting. She can rip through a ship when she wants, but if she doesn't want to really hurt you, she can probably just hold back. At least at the end. Before that, she wasn't even sure how powerful she could be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Indiscipline on March 11, 2019, 09:55:40 AM
Enjoyed it quite a bit. A couple of thoughts:

. I'm not asking for, I flat out DEMAND a spin-off: The Adventures of Goose & Young Fury.

. I took the music choices as pretty decent Gen X '90's landscape building. Felt nothing on the nose, but maybe my nose is too thick or I just refuse to consider a superpowered girl's tale as symbol for empowered women.

. The overpowered thing didn't irk me, neither did an origin story at this stage, but I'm a bit puzzled by such an overpowered  character's introduction at this stage of the saga, if it makes sense. Feels a bit deus ex-machina, but we'll see how things are going to pan out.

. One of my cats is a Goose carbon copy, and it usually sleeps with us. I don't feel very comfortable right now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2019, 09:58:36 AM
I've heard a lot of people (not just here) worry about Carol being a deus ex-machina for Endgame. I get that. At the same time, I highly doubt the Russo's made a 3 hour movie where Carol just punches Thanos and wins. You know?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Indiscipline on March 11, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
I know, and I'm hopeful. Honestly, I also hope to see Thanos not just going down as the obvious big baddie, but to redeem himself contributing towards a new unexpected enemy's defeat. Then again, we'll see.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 11, 2019, 10:20:54 AM
I've heard a lot of people (not just here) worry about Carol being a deus ex-machina for Endgame. I get that. At the same time, I highly doubt the Russo's made a 3 hour movie where Carol just punches Thanos and wins. You know?

I've never read the comics and do not know the 'story' behind all of this.....are the movies following the comics/story closely or are they taking liberties and just using them as a reference or blue print?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on March 11, 2019, 10:26:18 AM
The Affleck Daredevil was decent.  Pretty good for that era, but suffers in comparison to the MCU.  As I recall, the movie was originally a pretty low-budget affair, but after the box office success of the first Spider-Man movie, the studio threw a bunch more money in for the FX.   

The Director's Cut is better, IMO.

Watched the Director's Cut on Saturday night. I enjoyed it. It had its cringe-worthy moments, and the soundtrack was total nu-metal, but I thought it was pretty decent actually. I ended up not owning it like I thought I had, so I went and bought the Director's Cut after renting it to add to my collection.

re: Captain Marvel - we're going next weekend. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
Interesting take on the "feminist" aspect:  https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-captain-marvel-feminism-women-superhero-wilhelm-0311-20190308-story.html
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 11, 2019, 10:32:14 AM
Interesting take on the "feminist" aspect:  https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-captain-marvel-feminism-women-superhero-wilhelm-0311-20190308-story.html
So interesting, Europeans aren't allowed to read it.

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Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 11, 2019, 10:34:38 AM
I've heard a lot of people (not just here) worry about Carol being a deus ex-machina for Endgame. I get that. At the same time, I highly doubt the Russo's made a 3 hour movie where Carol just punches Thanos and wins. You know?

I've never read the comics and do not know the 'story' behind all of this.....are the movies following the comics/story closely or are they taking liberties and just using them as a reference or blue print?

Captain Marvel isn't even involved in the Infinity Gauntlet story.  Adam Warlock plays a big role, but he's MIA in the MCU other than the brief appearance of his cocoon in Guardians 2. The films are using the Gauntlet, Thanos, and the stones, but they're not following the comics at all really.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2019, 10:46:36 AM
Interesting take on the "feminist" aspect:  https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-captain-marvel-feminism-women-superhero-wilhelm-0311-20190308-story.html
So interesting, Europeans aren't allowed to read it.

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Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.

Oh, sorry.  Here's the text of it:

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Commentary: 'Captain Marvel' and today’s exhausting feminism

By Heather Wilhelm

Gird your loins, America, for I have a bone-rattlingly powerful tale to tell: In case you haven’t heard, there is a new movie in theaters, and it will reportedly change the way you look at the world forever. It is called “Captain Marvel,” and it is based on a comic book superhero, and the superhero is played by ... here, you might grab your smelling salts, because this is super groundbreaking and wildly controversial in the year 2019 ... A WOMAN.

Whoa! I know! It’s mind-boggling! This has never happened before, except when it happened two years ago, when “Wonder Woman” came out, which was also when an impressively large press cohort collectively and conveniently forgot the countless strong female leads that had occurred even before then! Remember those fevered days? Remember when an alarming number of movie critics simultaneously lost their minds over the sheer raw feminism of “Wonder Woman,” documenting how they cried at the theater and declaring that viewing “Wonder Woman” might have been the most powerful experience of their life, which should deeply worry us all if that is indeed really true?

It’s OK if you don’t remember: The internet appears to be melting all of our brains. Anyway, I liked “Wonder Woman,” and I’m sure “Captain Marvel” is fine, despite the web of semi-hysterical press surrounding its release. The women in the film, intones one review at Forbes, “are pilots, they are scientists, they are warriors, and while some of the men around them might not understand that or accept it, the women don't frankly need them to and aren't going to wait around for the myopic men to catch up to the facts.”

Ah, yes! Those daft, myopic men, always fouling things up! But wait, there’s more: “That's not to say, however, that ‘Captain Marvel’ doesn't remind us of the sorts of daily frustrations, struggles, and inequalities women face in society — being told to smile more ...”

Wait. What? Let’s stop here, shall we? Out of the world’s massive crab bucket of problems, let us stop and consider the modern scourge among American women of being told to smile more. Has it been two seconds? OK, that’s probably enough time — although if you google “Captain Marvel” and “smile more,” you will discover that many people fervently disagree.

For the record, I have never been told to smile more. This deeply worries me, because perhaps it means I am smiling too much. Truly, it keeps me up at night, brooding like a superhero in anguish! Just kidding. It doesn’t worry me at all, because it doesn’t matter. I don’t care, and neither should you, and nobody should be in a tizzy about this particular subject in general, because life is precious and very short.

With that in mind, here’s what does worry me a bit, even if it is a bit tangential: “Captain Marvel,” or at least the reception to it, might be a subtle indicator of how suffocating modern feminism has become.

At a base level, the very idea of a superhero is innately goofy or farcical, or at least it should be. But “Captain Marvel,” by most accounts, is almost perfect: Strong. Beautiful. Driven. Ultra-powerful. According to Slate, she is a “serious, stolid type whose steel will and laser-focused commitment to her mission make her a formidable foe even when her fists aren’t glowing orange with photon-blasting superpowers,” which is impressive indeed.

But what does it say about our culture that influential people take a movie like this — and similar so-called representations of women, which, as a reminder, are based on fictional comic book characters with alien superpowers — so seriously? Perhaps it’s because modern feminism has morphed into a crazed culture of unforgiving, humorless and ultimately atomized workaholism. But hey, that’s just my theory.

On Feb. 24, The Atlantic published a fascinating essay by Derek Thompson on the rise of American “workism,” which he describes as a “kind of religion” that promises “identity, transcendence and community” by centering one’s life around work. While traditional religious faith has declined in America, Thompson notes, “everybody worships something. And workism is among the most potent of the new religions competing for congregants.” Morph workism with feminism and boy, oh boy, you’ve got something to behold.

I have a fairly old-school view when it comes to female empowerment: Women should be free to pursue their dreams, whether that involves being an astronaut or an accountant or a farmer or a stay-at-home mom. I’ve also been around long enough to see that American culture relentlessly pushes high-achieving young women to obsessively put their careers first in their lives, no matter what their ultimate personal goals might be — even if those goals involve having a family.

As Thompson notes in The Atlantic, “having a job or career they enjoy” is noted as “extremely or very important” for 95 percent of teens. Only 47 percent rank getting married with the same importance. Between men and women, guess who loses more from this cultural phenomenon? (Hint: It’s the half with the shorter biological clock.)

Don’t get me wrong: Work can be very good! I’ve done a lot of it myself. I’m as big a fan of free-market capitalism as the next red-blooded American who grew up during the Reagan administration, trust me. Unfortunately, the modern feminist vision somehow morphs that capitalism into its worst caricature, or a Hobbesian war of all against all. Weirdly, it also simultaneously suggests that we all should be getting up at 5 a.m. daily to prep for, say, three Ironman races a year — or, even better, as the Los Angeles Times recently put it, “train like a noble Kree warrior hero” based on “Captain Marvel” star Brie Larson’s nine-month pre-movie workout plan. Right.

Alternatively, you could just go running a few times a week and call it a day. Forget “leaning in,” America — lean out with me! Let’s start a movement together! You won’t get to be a proverbial “Captain Marvel,” but that’s OK. Like much of today’s pop feminism, that sounds kind of exhausting and not very fun.

Heather Wilhelm is a National Review Online columnist.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on March 11, 2019, 12:08:20 PM
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how suffocating modern feminism has become.

This sentiment was the gist of my comment. Not that I don't believe that there is still headway to be made or that I'm a raging sexist pig who thinks women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.....but the major 'issues' of today like 'girl power', LGBTQ, Black Lives Matter.....all of them IMO are suffering the same type of 'suffocating' fate. It's the equivalent of the Loud, overzealous Bible thumping preachers or Evangelists trying to 'spread the word' in a tone deaf manner that people complain about. There is a way to go about it to where if anything....the people you desire to reach or have listen will actually do that rather than be immediately turned off by your tactics. That's where I'm at. I'm turned off by the tactics at this point. Some of the tone of Captain Marvel was just a very...very tiny straw placed on the camels back for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2019, 12:20:32 PM
One other aspect of the film that I forgot to mention:  At the outset of the movie, I choked up a little bit at the Stan Lee montage.  Toward the end of it, I wanted to applaud.  I hesitated for a second because the theater was completely silent save for the film.  Then somebody else started clapping, and a lot of us enthusiastically joined it.  It was  cool moment.

Also, the cameo was just brilliant.  I missed what he was reading, so the significance of it escaped me in the moment.  I read a brief article about it after the fact.  Really well done.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 11, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
Bosk:

Can’t see why #2 would be an issue. It just means she can control exactly how much power she releases. As little, or as much as she sees fit. It actually implies MORE strength that she has that much control instead of just letting a nuclear size blast every time she proverbially “pulls the trigger”

And I’ve been thinking about the song a lot, and I’ve decided that I think the 90s hit Supernova by Liz Phair would have been perfect for that scene. They would have to do the radio version that deleted one f-bomb from the original, but that’s common practice. But the mood of the music and the chorus especially would have been a great fit.

'Cause you're a human supernova
A solar superman
You're an angel with wings of fire
A flying, giant friction blast
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 11, 2019, 01:21:12 PM
Can’t see why #2 would be an issue. It just means she can control exactly how much power she releases. As little, or as much as she sees fit. It actually implies MORE strength that she has that much control instead of just letting a nuclear size blast every time she proverbially “pulls the trigger”

Well, sure.  Except that there were plenty of moments in the film where she wasn't trying to hold back, and just ended up knocking people down. 
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Post by: lonestar on March 11, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
I kind of noticed that, but just wrote it of as conveniently lazy writing. Just like I could imagine a bazillion ways Thanos with most of the stones could have had his way with any of the Avengers but still just threw punches, it'd be rather anti climactic if he just ripped open Iron Man with a thought.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 11, 2019, 02:50:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j0gsV9J7Ts

A video by Kevin Smith talking about the Stan Lee cameo in Captain Marvel. Not necessary, but just a really sweet video about how meaningful it was to him and just to show how great of a guy Kevin Smith seems to be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 11, 2019, 08:06:45 PM
One other aspect of the film that I forgot to mention:  At the outset of the movie, I choked up a little bit at the Stan Lee montage.  Toward the end of it, I wanted to applaud.  I hesitated for a second because the theater was completely silent save for the film.  Then somebody else started clapping,

If you were in my theater, that was me.

If not, well... it was still me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on March 11, 2019, 08:30:43 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2BfC8VfsZw

Best pitch meeting video imo
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Post by: jammindude on March 11, 2019, 08:32:51 PM
My theater broke out in spontaneous applause at the dedication screen at the beginning.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 11, 2019, 08:51:55 PM
Just saw Captain Marvel, have to get these thoughts out. First off: Brie Larson is so f&*%ing attractive it makes my soul hurt. Jesus. Finally some eye candy for the dudes (and unlike how they emphasize Scarlet Witch's cleavage, they don't have to do so for Cap'n Marvelous Holy Shit She's Got It Going On).

Ahem.

- Dedication to Stan Lee immediately got me. Beautifully done.
- I thought Young Fury was a great addition to the movie and Sam Jackson did wonderfully as always.
- The story was surprisingly entertaining. I enjoyed being surprised by the twist between the Kree and Skrulls. Good stuff.
- Goose rules. Biggest laughs came from that little flerker.
- It's so freaking awesome that the MCU finally has their own Super Saiyan. I got goosebumps watching her 'come to life' at the end and just whoop ass left and right like the mortal demigod she is.
- All the complaints about Brie Larson's emotional range. WTF??? She showed plenty of emotion throughout the film and the film makes absolutely no bones about her being an alien super-soldier and Yon-Rogg CONSTANTLY tells her to keep her emotions in check so it's not like there's no reason for her to be stone-faced sometimes, but even then, she's not wooden at all. She did an awesome job all around.
- Loved the suit-changing gimmick, the Tron-like suit was really cool.

And I think I got an even bigger crush watching her dance in a bandanna, Aviators, and a GnR shirt. Be still, my heart.

Overall, awesome film, upper tier MCU flick for me even as an origin story, I don't think it's top 5 but it's certainly close. That said it has thrown my rankings into a frenzy because Spider-man was in my top 5 or 6 and I think I liked this a lot more.

Oh, and the song people have referenced: I liked it actually. I thought it was a nice change from a dramatic score that most of the other films have and it paired well with the action. This film rocks.

Okay... diarrhea of the post over, got all my gut reactions out there.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zantera on March 12, 2019, 03:26:14 AM
For me it wasn't so much the emotional range but rather the personality traits of the character that seemed a bit off, and I think that's more on the writers than Brie, because she is a great actress. But for example, in some scenes she was quipping like Peter Quill and having fun witty banter with the bad guys, then in a few scenes she had that Dr. Strange arrogance (kinda) like when she meets Nick Fury initially, and then in other scenes she came off as more of that stoic captain america/superman hero when it came down to "taking care of business". You could also add some elements of Thor when it came to the fish out of water stuff on earth.

In some ways the characters before her have been written a bit more as very specific characters with one or two defining traits and I think in the case of the MCU it has worked really well because when you put the characters together on the screen, it's the differences between them that makes the scenes pop. And I think that's also why it's hard to judge Brie Larson yet because we haven't seen her with the Avengers and how she fits into that puzzle. Her character was a bit all over the place in this movie (though some of it is because of the journey she takes) but seeing as she "settles" into her new life at the end of the movie, I would imagine for future appearances that we get a more clear cut character out of her.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on March 12, 2019, 06:19:30 AM
I think my biggest "problem" with Captain Marvel is her overwhelming power compared to the other current "good guys". She blows them all out of the water. If she can't kill Thanos with one blow, then the rest of them together couldn't have given him a scratch and never had any hope of stopping him. I fear that her power is going to be very inconsistent. Blow up on entire ship with ease, but fight fight a baddy for a minute before knocking him out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 12, 2019, 06:24:42 AM
I think my biggest "problem" with Captain Marvel is her overwhelming power compared to the other current "good guys". She blows them all out of the water. If she can't kill Thanos with one blow, then the rest of them together couldn't have given him a scratch and never had any hope of stopping him. I fear that her power is going to be very inconsistent. Blow up on entire ship with ease, but fight fight a baddy for a minute before knocking him out.

But she's a cosmic level character. And Thanos is a hulking behemoth, a natural warrior. She's not going to be able to just waltz in without breaking a sweat. Don't fear, they got this.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 12, 2019, 06:56:40 AM
I think my biggest "problem" with Captain Marvel is her overwhelming power compared to the other current "good guys". She blows them all out of the water. If she can't kill Thanos with one blow, then the rest of them together couldn't have given him a scratch and never had any hope of stopping him. I fear that her power is going to be very inconsistent. Blow up on entire ship with ease, but fight fight a baddy for a minute before knocking him out.

I believe that Hulk and Thor are just as 'strong' as Captain Marvel.  Thor was laying waste to the Outrider landing ships; Hulk took out the Chitauri 'whale' ships.  I'm not concerned that they've made Captain Marvel 'too' powerful.  Hell, in the comics, Hulk once destroyed a planet (or what it a moon) with a single punch.  He's more who I'd be worried about as one of the characters that could be made to be "too" powerful.

The way I see it, CM got her powers (essentially) from the Tesseract/Space Stone.  That's just 1 of the Infinity Stones.  Much like how Vision had his power from the Mind Stone, Thanos dismissed him no problem.  I can see him handling CM without being easily overwhelmed as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 12, 2019, 06:57:34 AM
Jingle's right. Thor, Hulk, and Vision were all overpowered too and Thanos didn't even blink taking them out.


In the comics, Thanos is actually quite more powerful than he was in the movie (not even counting the Infinity Stones). So there might still be considerable depth to his powers that we haven't seen yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 12, 2019, 10:14:35 AM
Plus, he didn't just kill Vision, he killed him TWICE!   :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on March 12, 2019, 10:50:41 AM
Just saw Captain Marvel, have to get these thoughts out. First off: Brie Larson is so f&*%ing attractive it makes my soul hurt. Jesus. Finally some eye candy for the dudes (and unlike how they emphasize Scarlet Witch's cleavage, they don't have to do so for Cap'n Marvelous Holy Shit She's Got It Going On).

Ahem.

- Dedication to Stan Lee immediately got me. Beautifully done.
- I thought Young Fury was a great addition to the movie and Sam Jackson did wonderfully as always.
- The story was surprisingly entertaining. I enjoyed being surprised by the twist between the Kree and Skrulls. Good stuff.
- Goose rules. Biggest laughs came from that little flerker.
- It's so freaking awesome that the MCU finally has their own Super Saiyan. I got goosebumps watching her 'come to life' at the end and just whoop ass left and right like the mortal demigod she is.
- All the complaints about Brie Larson's emotional range. WTF??? She showed plenty of emotion throughout the film and the film makes absolutely no bones about her being an alien super-soldier and Yon-Rogg CONSTANTLY tells her to keep her emotions in check so it's not like there's no reason for her to be stone-faced sometimes, but even then, she's not wooden at all. She did an awesome job all around.
- Loved the suit-changing gimmick, the Tron-like suit was really cool.

And I think I got an even bigger crush watching her dance in a bandanna, Aviators, and a GnR shirt. Be still, my heart.

Overall, awesome film, upper tier MCU flick for me even as an origin story, I don't think it's top 5 but it's certainly close. That said it has thrown my rankings into a frenzy because Spider-man was in my top 5 or 6 and I think I liked this a lot more.

Oh, and the song people have referenced: I liked it actually. I thought it was a nice change from a dramatic score that most of the other films have and it paired well with the action. This film rocks.

Okay... diarrhea of the post over, got all my gut reactions out there.  :biggrin:

ScarJo provides plenty of eye candy, especially in IM2 and Winter Soldier.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jammindude on March 12, 2019, 11:17:11 AM
I think my biggest "problem" with Captain Marvel is her overwhelming power compared to the other current "good guys". She blows them all out of the water. If she can't kill Thanos with one blow, then the rest of them together couldn't have given him a scratch and never had any hope of stopping him. I fear that her power is going to be very inconsistent. Blow up on entire ship with ease, but fight fight a baddy for a minute before knocking him out.

I believe that Hulk and Thor are just as 'strong' as Captain Marvel.  Thor was laying waste to the Outrider landing ships; Hulk took out the Chitauri 'whale' ships.  I'm not concerned that they've made Captain Marvel 'too' powerful.  Hell, in the comics, Hulk once destroyed a planet (or what it a moon) with a single punch.  He's more who I'd be worried about as one of the characters that could be made to be "too" powerful.

The way I see it, CM got her powers (essentially) from the Tesseract/Space Stone.  That's just 1 of the Infinity Stones.  Much like how Vision had his power from the Mind Stone, Thanos dismissed him no problem.  I can see him handling CM without being easily overwhelmed as well.

Except Thor and Hulk got their asses handed to them already.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 12, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
I kinda of resent the narrative I see in the vast majority of articles about CM saying that the box office numbers now finally PROVE that people will turn out for a female led movie.  I don't think that any but a small minority needed any "proof."  Sure, there is a small vocal minority that will hate on any female led movie and try to write it off as radical feminism.  And sure, there is a vocal minority on the other side that screams that we "need" female-led movies because girls can't possibly look at guys as positive role models.  But in the middle, I think the vast majority of us just want a good movie and could not care less whether the primary protagonist is a man or a woman.  We'll go see it because the MCU continues to gain momentum by putting out fun movies that, 21 films in, continue to weave together as part of a huge tapestry.  And we'll enjoy it, not because CM is a woman, but because it's a good film.  I think it insults the integrity of Larson's performance and insults the intelligence of most moviegoers to make it about her being a woman rather than the movie being a good movie.

/rant
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 12, 2019, 11:57:36 AM
I think my biggest "problem" with Captain Marvel is her overwhelming power compared to the other current "good guys". She blows them all out of the water. If she can't kill Thanos with one blow, then the rest of them together couldn't have given him a scratch and never had any hope of stopping him. I fear that her power is going to be very inconsistent. Blow up on entire ship with ease, but fight fight a baddy for a minute before knocking him out.

I believe that Hulk and Thor are just as 'strong' as Captain Marvel.  Thor was laying waste to the Outrider landing ships; Hulk took out the Chitauri 'whale' ships.  I'm not concerned that they've made Captain Marvel 'too' powerful.  Hell, in the comics, Hulk once destroyed a planet (or what it a moon) with a single punch.  He's more who I'd be worried about as one of the characters that could be made to be "too" powerful.

The way I see it, CM got her powers (essentially) from the Tesseract/Space Stone.  That's just 1 of the Infinity Stones.  Much like how Vision had his power from the Mind Stone, Thanos dismissed him no problem.  I can see him handling CM without being easily overwhelmed as well.

Except Thor and Hulk got their asses handed to them already.

Exactly... so what happened in CM that makes anyone think she is SOOOOOO much more powerful than Hulk/Thor that she could one-punch/blast Thanos and end him?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 12, 2019, 12:03:39 PM
I mean she did go Super Saiyan and also floated in literal space without a helmet. But yeah.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 12, 2019, 12:24:45 PM
Snip

ScarJo provides plenty of eye candy, especially in IM2 and Winter Soldier.

Gotta say, I don't think she's all that. When she appeared in the mid credits scene that just made it obvious to me. Good thing it ended on Larson :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Lonk on March 12, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
I mean she did go Super Saiyan and also floated in literal space without a helmet. But yeah.

So did thor (and he did some damage to Thanos too).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 12, 2019, 01:29:00 PM
I mean she did go Super Saiyan and also floated in literal space without a helmet. But yeah.

So did thor (and he did some damage to Thanos too).

Oh yeah. D'oh.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 12, 2019, 05:50:57 PM
I enjoyed it pretty well, and it was certainly better than I thought it'd be. Fury was my favorite character of the film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 13, 2019, 03:28:49 AM
I kinda of resent the narrative I see in the vast majority of articles about CM saying that the box office numbers now finally PROVE that people will turn out for a female led movie.  I don't think that any but a small minority needed any "proof."  Sure, there is a small vocal minority that will hate on any female led movie and try to write it off as radical feminism.  And sure, there is a vocal minority on the other side that screams that we "need" female-led movies because girls can't possibly look at guys as positive role models.  But in the middle, I think the vast majority of us just want a good movie and could not care less whether the primary protagonist is a man or a woman.  We'll go see it because the MCU continues to gain momentum by putting out fun movies that, 21 films in, continue to weave together as part of a huge tapestry.  And we'll enjoy it, not because CM is a woman, but because it's a good film.  I think it insults the integrity of Larson's performance and insults the intelligence of most moviegoers to make it about her being a woman rather than the movie being a good movie.

/rant
As I understand it, the proof isn't for audiences but for film studio execs who have typically been reluctant to invest in big budget female-led films on the basis that they wouldn't attract such big audiences. I agree that the general public (notwithstanding a minority of trolls) know this already but studio execs are still catching up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2019, 06:56:47 AM
Continuing my re-watch, just did Iron Man last night.

What a fantastic movie. I forgot how charming Jeff Bridges was before he went all crazy villain at the end.

Also it's amazing how tight and well made this movie is, considering they were making it up as they went and didn't even have a finished script.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2019, 08:01:09 AM
I kinda of resent the narrative I see in the vast majority of articles about CM saying that the box office numbers now finally PROVE that people will turn out for a female led movie.  I don't think that any but a small minority needed any "proof."  Sure, there is a small vocal minority that will hate on any female led movie and try to write it off as radical feminism.  And sure, there is a vocal minority on the other side that screams that we "need" female-led movies because girls can't possibly look at guys as positive role models.  But in the middle, I think the vast majority of us just want a good movie and could not care less whether the primary protagonist is a man or a woman.  We'll go see it because the MCU continues to gain momentum by putting out fun movies that, 21 films in, continue to weave together as part of a huge tapestry.  And we'll enjoy it, not because CM is a woman, but because it's a good film.  I think it insults the integrity of Larson's performance and insults the intelligence of most moviegoers to make it about her being a woman rather than the movie being a good movie.

/rant
As I understand it, the proof isn't for audiences but for film studio execs who have typically been reluctant to invest in big budget female-led films on the basis that they wouldn't attract such big audiences. I agree that the general public (notwithstanding a minority of trolls) know this already but studio execs are still catching up.
OK, but studio execs aren't some alien species from another planet.  They are human too and should know what the rest of us know, which is that we don't care.  Give us a good film, and we don't care if the star is man, woman, or cat.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on March 13, 2019, 08:20:53 AM
I kinda of resent the narrative I see in the vast majority of articles about CM saying that the box office numbers now finally PROVE that people will turn out for a female led movie.  I don't think that any but a small minority needed any "proof."  Sure, there is a small vocal minority that will hate on any female led movie and try to write it off as radical feminism.  And sure, there is a vocal minority on the other side that screams that we "need" female-led movies because girls can't possibly look at guys as positive role models.  But in the middle, I think the vast majority of us just want a good movie and could not care less whether the primary protagonist is a man or a woman.  We'll go see it because the MCU continues to gain momentum by putting out fun movies that, 21 films in, continue to weave together as part of a huge tapestry.  And we'll enjoy it, not because CM is a woman, but because it's a good film.  I think it insults the integrity of Larson's performance and insults the intelligence of most moviegoers to make it about her being a woman rather than the movie being a good movie.

/rant
As I understand it, the proof isn't for audiences but for film studio execs who have typically been reluctant to invest in big budget female-led films on the basis that they wouldn't attract such big audiences. I agree that the general public (notwithstanding a minority of trolls) know this already but studio execs are still catching up.
OK, but studio execs aren't some alien species from another planet.  They are human too and should know what the rest of us know, which is that we don't care.  Give us a good film, and we don't care if the star is man, woman, or Raccoon.

FTFY  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 13, 2019, 08:46:30 AM
I kinda of resent the narrative I see in the vast majority of articles about CM saying that the box office numbers now finally PROVE that people will turn out for a female led movie.  I don't think that any but a small minority needed any "proof."  Sure, there is a small vocal minority that will hate on any female led movie and try to write it off as radical feminism.  And sure, there is a vocal minority on the other side that screams that we "need" female-led movies because girls can't possibly look at guys as positive role models.  But in the middle, I think the vast majority of us just want a good movie and could not care less whether the primary protagonist is a man or a woman.  We'll go see it because the MCU continues to gain momentum by putting out fun movies that, 21 films in, continue to weave together as part of a huge tapestry.  And we'll enjoy it, not because CM is a woman, but because it's a good film.  I think it insults the integrity of Larson's performance and insults the intelligence of most moviegoers to make it about her being a woman rather than the movie being a good movie.

/rant
As I understand it, the proof isn't for audiences but for film studio execs who have typically been reluctant to invest in big budget female-led films on the basis that they wouldn't attract such big audiences. I agree that the general public (notwithstanding a minority of trolls) know this already but studio execs are still catching up.
OK, but studio execs aren't some alien species from another planet.  They are human too and should know what the rest of us know, which is that we don't care.  Give us a good film, and we don't care if the star is man, woman, or cat.

Agreed, sadly it's been on record that, in the past, they did not feel that way. Glad they are moving away from that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 13, 2019, 08:58:07 AM
@King:  That'll work.  ;)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on March 13, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
Couple other things I enjoyed about Captain Marvel were no neck snappings, impalements, or lame love story angle.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 13, 2019, 09:33:26 AM
I kinda of resent the narrative I see in the vast majority of articles about CM saying that the box office numbers now finally PROVE that people will turn out for a female led movie.  I don't think that any but a small minority needed any "proof."  Sure, there is a small vocal minority that will hate on any female led movie and try to write it off as radical feminism.  And sure, there is a vocal minority on the other side that screams that we "need" female-led movies because girls can't possibly look at guys as positive role models.  But in the middle, I think the vast majority of us just want a good movie and could not care less whether the primary protagonist is a man or a woman.  We'll go see it because the MCU continues to gain momentum by putting out fun movies that, 21 films in, continue to weave together as part of a huge tapestry.  And we'll enjoy it, not because CM is a woman, but because it's a good film.  I think it insults the integrity of Larson's performance and insults the intelligence of most moviegoers to make it about her being a woman rather than the movie being a good movie.

/rant
As I understand it, the proof isn't for audiences but for film studio execs who have typically been reluctant to invest in big budget female-led films on the basis that they wouldn't attract such big audiences. I agree that the general public (notwithstanding a minority of trolls) know this already but studio execs are still catching up.
OK, but studio execs aren't some alien species from another planet.  They are human too and should know what the rest of us know, which is that we don't care.  Give us a good film, and we don't care if the star is man, woman, or cat.

Agreed, sadly it's been on record that, in the past, they did not feel that way. Glad they are moving away from that.
Indeed, there's definitely been a lot of progress.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 14, 2019, 06:23:10 AM
New Endgame trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c

Giggity.  Only one 'reveal' - not like it was going to be a surprise though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on March 14, 2019, 06:46:40 AM
New Endgame trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c

Giggity.  Only one 'reveal' - not like it was going to be a surprise though.

 :omg: :o :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 14, 2019, 06:55:59 AM
Captain Larson  :heart :heart  :heart
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on March 14, 2019, 08:22:07 AM
https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/03/10/rotten-tomatoes-purged-50000-negative-reviews-of-captain-marvel/

worthless trolls
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 08:37:50 AM
Very cool trailer. Love how it's entirely about mood and they are holding almost everything back. Please continue this trend, and please do not release 20 minutes of battle sequences in TV spots.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 08:45:26 AM
New Endgame trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c

Giggity.  Only one 'reveal' - not like it was going to be a surprise though.

Cool trailer.  But I'm not really sure that counts as a "reveal."  It's established in the CM end credits scene, so...

But it IS kind of disappointing that, at least from the VERY brief clip in the trailer, Carol seems just as wooden and unlikable as she did in her own movie.  And bringing me back to the CM film, the longer it sets with me, the less I like it.  Now that the initial hype is wearing off, there just isn't a whole lot there.  What I liked mostly just boiled down to it being part of the MCU and feeling like it fit in as yet another piece of the overall MCU storyline.  Other than that and a few isolated positives, it really didn't do anything to make me like it.  And I think it significant that if you go character-by-character, there really isn't much there either.  In fact, let's do that:

-Carol:  We should have liked her, or at least been able to sympathize with her more.  She was okay.  But I think we should come away from a film feeling like our main character, the film's protagonist, and from every indication the one who is going to bear the Marvel standard going forward, needs to be a lot more than that.  And the pieces were there for us to connect with her.  But...nothing was ever really developed.
-Fury:  The MCU Fury has been pretty cool at times.  Often he's just decent.  This version of him really did nothing.  He was just a foil for CM.  And he was, more or less, and idiot.  I'm not sure if this was poor writing or poor directing.  But I have long been of the belief that Jackson NEEDS a good director to shine.  With a good director, he can be absolutely incredible.  Without one, he can be, at best, a wooden caricature of himself.  This performance was closer to the latter.
-Colson:  The awful CGI aside, Colson brought nothing to the table.  And him going so severely off script as an agent was...at best not believable.  Sure, Agents of SHIELD is basically about him doing just that.  But the whole point of that is that he has been relegated to being the leader of an outlaw agency who are, often times, the only hope of earth in the face of dire threats nobody is even aware of.  He has a reputation of going off script because he's been forced to abandon the "by-the-book" government playbook.  He can't be that as a brand new agent.  It's just not believable.
-Maria:  She's okay.  Some of her lines are pretty predictable, and it's pretty clear that she is there merely as a plot device.  I guess she's serviceable in that role.
-Monica:  She's great!  She might even be the best character in the film.  ...and to say that of such a minor character is kind of a problem.
-The Skrulls:  Other than Talos, I couldn't tell you, because he is the only one given any personality.  And, I guess that's fine.  He is such a strong character and does such a fine job that we can sympathize with the entire Skrull race simply through him.  That works.  Oh, and now that we're on him, I guess I was a bit premature in declaring Monica as perhaps the best character.  It is clearly Talos by a country mile.
-Star Force:  Unfortunately, we only really get to know Yon-Rogg in any kind of depth.  And he leaves a lot to be desired.  There isn't really one main villain.  It's basically the Kree race as a whole.  But he is the face of that and drives the plot.  He is probably far and away the least effective Marvel villain yet.  I got nothing from him at all.  I didn't like him.  But it had nothing to do with him being an effective villain.  My dislike was simply because there wasn't anything to him.  He was just a manipulative dude with nothing very likable about him.  As for the other members of the team, Korath was a waste.  We didn't really learn much about him.  He was cool merely because, with less screen time AND dialog, Guardians already set him up to be pretty cool.  Min-Erva was a cold-blooded elite military weapons specialist type.  But, again, she was merely a "type" and not a character with any depth.  The rest were just...there.
-Goose:  Made for some good comedy moments.  But after the initial "Yes!  Goose really IS a flerken!" wears off, there really isn't much there.
-Mar-Vell:  I'm not angry about the the gender swap, as some are.  But it was pretty pointless.  Mar-Vell/Lawson didn't need to be a woman for any good reason.  So why pull a switch if it isn't going to serve a purpose?  As an aside, I'm also not too upset that she wasn't actually the first Captain Marvel, and I'm okay that this is a completely different version of the character.  Marvel has been taking liberties with its MCU and deviated from the comics since day 1, and it has largely worked.  That's fine.  But as for the character herself, she was wooden and really didn't do anything.  She should have been the cool, almost-revered mentor figure.  But as with pretty much all the others, she fell flat.

That last description is actually pretty apt for virtually all the characters.  They all for the most part just fell flat.  There wasn't anything there.  And while this is "just a superhero movie," that's a problem.  People went out and saw it because it is MCU.  And because it is the connective tissue between Avengers 3 and 4.  But beyond that, there just isn't any substance to it.  And that's a shame, because if it foreshadows the future of the MCU, it means that we're pretty much at the end of an era as far as I'm concerned.  It was an era of overall greatness.  But I guess all good things must end.

I think I had said earlier that I was in the 5 or 6 out of 10 realm if I were to rate it.  After letting it sit with me a bit, I think I'm at a 5.  Maybe a repeat view will boost it a bit.  But that's where I am right now.  As it stands, unless I change my mind and pick it up just for completeness, this is likely to be the first MCU film that I don't buy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on March 14, 2019, 08:58:45 AM
You have some good points there, and as far as being "the end of an era" that is totally the truth - people like Downey, Evans, Hemsworth are irreplaceable when it comes to the charismatic glue that plays a large part in holding the MCU together and at such a high standard. I'm not interested in trying to getting to know dozens of new minor characters, all my favorites from the comics have already been given life.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 09:05:34 AM
All fair points. Even though I liked the movie quite a bit (still a 6.5) I can't disagree with much of that.

It seems the writers/directors just didn't have a clear vision of Carol Danvers. I can't totally blame them. Her comics counterpart isn't much different. She is very strong, stoic, rigid, and so forth in the comics. She's the person that tells Iron Man to shut up when he's cracking wise. Problem is, that doesn't translate to a fun movie all that well. They needed to give her some personality. In the comics, she's at her best (personality wise) when she's just being herself with Jessica Drew or something, and the movie tried to do that a bit with Monica and Maria but ultimately had 400 other things to do and didn't spend much time with it.

You need a character that people WANT to hang out with, essentially. I don't have a strong desire to meet or hang out with Captain Marvel.

That said, her scene in the Endgame trailer is like 4 seconds long, so I hope people don't read much into it. Though, ultimately, they will because it's a bad idea to put a scene of her being stoic in right after people complain that she's too stoic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 09:23:46 AM
Yeah, I'm with you, Adami.  And she really WAS supposed to be stoic, both as a military person and as a Kree Warrior.  But you are right that it is REALLY hard to make that translate into a likeable character.  But on top of that, it was also fairly clear that they weren't entirely sure what they wanted the character to be.  She also had a lot going on that really could have made her sympathetic.  But that fell flat too.  I dunno.  At the end of the day, when I take a cold, disconnected survey of the story itself, I see the makings of a character arc.  I can tell you exactly what the character journey of the film was.  There definitely was an arc there.  But at the end of the day, I just didn't feel any of it.  I saw it.  But I didn't feel it.  I just didn't care.  Maybe that's on me.  But it's not like I went into the movie with an ax to grind and not wanting to care.  I had an open mind and actually expected to be able to connect with it.  But the film didn't do itself any favors and help me to, you know?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 14, 2019, 09:27:01 AM
Wooden and unlikable? We saw very different movies. T'Challa is more wooden than her
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 09:32:44 AM
Also, when Thor called for (whatever new hammer is called...StormBreaker?) did anyone else half expect Carol to catch it?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 09:43:12 AM
Wooden and unlikable? We saw very different movies. T'Challa is more wooden than her

Oh, come on now.  She couldn't have been more wooden and unlikable if she was singing Draconian Love.

But in all seriousness, I'm not going to disagree with you too much on T'Challa (other than perhaps just the degree of woodenness, since I wouldn't say he was "more"; but they are definitely in the same tier as far as I'm concerned).

Also, when Thor called for (whatever new hammer is called...StormBreaker?) did anyone else half expect Carol to catch it?

:lol  Yes. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 14, 2019, 09:49:27 AM
I just totally disagree with pretty much everything in that post about the Captain Marvel film. Oh well. I personally can't wait to see what they do with her. I also don't see why being stoic is a bad thing. Not everybody can or should be Peter Parker or Quill. I thought they did a fantastic job with Carol Danvers. Shrug...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 10:03:04 AM
I also don't see why being stoic is a bad thing.

In and of itself, it's not a "bad" thing.  But can have the effect of leaving little room for things we as an audience can actually latch onto and sympathize with.  And with this film, I feel that they severely failed to fill in those gaps.  So we got a protagonist that was stoic and...nothing else.  No depth.  No warmth.  No emotion.  Nothing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 10:04:57 AM
Exactly.

Captain America is stoic. VERY stoic. Yet he is also very vulnerable and shows a wide range of emotions.

Danvers was stoic. She started off the movie as a tough as nails warrior and ended the movie as a tough as nails warrior. There was never a moment where her tough as nails warrior aspect was in doubt or challenged. Thor is stoic (or was) and his entire first movie was him having to earn back that element to himself. That's what makes an arc. Carol just didn't have one. Not Larson's fault. I blame the writers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Samsara on March 14, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
New Endgame trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c

Giggity.  Only one 'reveal' - not like it was going to be a surprise though.

 :metal :metal :metal :metal

Gotta go see Capt. Marvel this weekend.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 14, 2019, 11:16:15 AM
New Endgame trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c

Giggity.  Only one 'reveal' - not like it was going to be a surprise though.

Cool trailer.  But I'm not really sure that counts as a "reveal."  It's established in the CM end credits scene, so...

Actually, I was referring to Stark/Nebula being with the gang walking across the hangar.  Since they've spent a good chunk of time in each trailer on Tony as 'dead man floating' - while we obviously know that he'll survive - those were the first clips of him/Nebula outside of the ship.

And those uni's.  That'll take some getting used to.  They must be purpose built for something - perhaps traveling into the quantum realm?

And yes, I did expect something to happen with Carol grabbing Stormbreaker - though I don't remember if Eitri's speech established that only the "worthy" can lift it... and I don't remember if that's an aspect of it from the comics or not.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 11:24:57 AM
Actually, I was referring to Stark/Nebula being with the gang walking across the hangar.  Since they've spent a good chunk of time in each trailer on Tony as 'dead man floating' - while we obviously know that he'll survive - those were the first clips of him/Nebula outside of the ship.

Oh, haha!  Yeah, I gotcha. 

And those uni's.  That'll take some getting used to.  They must be purpose built for something - perhaps traveling into the quantum realm?

Yeah, that's been the speculation from day 1.  Seems pretty likely, unless they are intentionally leading us down the garden path on that one.

I'm glad the wait for the film is relatively short now.  After being let down by CM, I'm afraid that a long passage of time could perhaps prematurely sour more people on Endgame.  It's nice that there isn't too long to wait for it.  I hope it lives up to expectations.  After CM, I'm actually a bit nervous that it may be a letdown. 

What I do find interesting about the trailers, new poster, and other promotional material is that we have yet to see a villain, with the exception of the new poster showing Thanos in the background.  I think that's telling.  Obviously, Thanos is the unspoken focus.  But I'm not sure he will actually be the ultimate focus of the film, even though he obviously MUST be a big part of it.  I think there's something else.  And the toys that first showed those what we're assuming to be quantum suits (or was it Lego?) teased some other new threat.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on March 14, 2019, 11:47:03 AM
jingle.son made reference to a rumour that there's a bit of Ultron sprinkled in the movie somehow.  If that's true, I wouldn't expect it to be much more than a cameo.

No clue what another threat might be.  Eros or Mentor?  Thane?  Trying to think who else in the Infinity group of comics might come in to play... Mephisto (though didn't someone say he is part of the FF Universe?)  Death herself?  The Eternals?

Oooh... The Eternals would be good.  Living Tribunal would be too, but I give that precisely 0% chance of happening.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on March 14, 2019, 12:07:43 PM
This is distressing.  I like the Marvel movies, and Mrs. Orbert has already expressed a desire to see Endgame in the theaters when it comes out.  But Captain Marvel will not be on home video before then, so we "have" to see it in the theater as well, if we want to continue our tradition of watching them all in production/release order.

But I don't see a lot of movies in theaters because of the expense and hassle, so Captain Marvel -- especially after all the mixed reviews -- is not one I'd planned to pay to see.  It was a definitely cable/Blu-ray option down the road, but just in case, I asked Mrs. Orbert last weekend if she wanted to go see it, and she said No, but she reiterated her desire to see Endgame when it comes out.  Argh!

So how important is it that we actually see Captain Marvel before Endgame?

 -- Not really.  A few points might not connect, but they're minor and/or will be explained.
 -- Very.  Captain Marvel is expected to play a major part in Endgame, so it will be good to know the backstory.
 -- We don't know.  Stop worrying about shit that no one else knows or cares about.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 12:17:08 PM
It's not crucial.  Yeah, it would be helpful to have the back story.  But I think it is probably unlikely that you will NEED to know anything from the CM film.  Here's a tiny font plot summary below, in case you feel it will help.  I'll do it in kind of two levels.  There IS a plot twist within the movie (two of them, actually), so I will do a more general summary, and then a "super-spoiler" tag with the twist stuff at the end.

Okay, so here's the basic plot synopsis:

Carol Danvers is known as "Veers" by the Kree.  She is a Kree warrior that is part of Star Force, an elite Kree strike force led by Jude Law's character, Yonn-Rogg.  Djimon Hansou's character, Korath, from Guardians of the Galaxy, is also part of Star Force.  Veers does not remember her past, but it is clear she is powerful.  She apparently has trouble reining in her power, and is prone to letter her emotions get out of control, which Yonn-Rogg is trying to help her with.  She has some sort of inhibitor implanted into her neck (which is a cool nod to Agents of SHIELD, season 5). 

The Kree are at war with the Skrulls, who are branded as a threat and, basically, terrorist rebels.  A mission to liberate a Kree agent from the Skrulls turns out to be an ambush, and Veers is captured and interrogated by the Skrulls.  During the process, she breaks free.  The Skrulls are in the process of taking her to earth and using her to retrieve some technology developed by a dead Air Force officer named Wendy Lawson (Annette Benning), who Veers has some sort of connection with.

On earth, Veers unites with Fury and Colson in 1995.  She eventually also unites with her former best friend from the Air Force, Maria Rambeau, and Maria's daughter, Monica, and discovers her connection and her former life on earth, and how previous events associated with all of that culminated in the event that gave her her powers.  With the unlocking of her memories comes a similar unlocking of her powers.  She loses the inhibitor and unleashes the full fury of her powers.  Ronan the Accuser also shows up briefly, but is forced to retreat before earth becomes aware of his presence.

Danvers leaves to attend to unfinished galactic business and gives Fury a modified pager that he can use only in the event of a "real emergency."

**********EVEN MORE SPOILERY, BUT PROBABLY NECESSARY**************
















The tesseract is at the center of how Danvers gets her powers.  It shows up, with Lawson being at the forefront of Project PEGASUS, and an accident with it unleashes its power on Danvers, transforming her.  Goose the "cat" turns out to be a flerken (we saw that coming) who at one point "eats" the tesserat (we did NOT see that coming), but later deposits it on Fury's desk during a post-credit scene.

**********SUPER SPOILERY, AND PROBABLY NOT NECESSARY, BUT I'LL PUT IT HERE IN CASE YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW.
 BUT I WOULDN'T READ IT IF I WERE YOU**************










If you've watched Agents of SHIELD and seen Guardians, you may deduce at the outset of the film that the Kree are probably the "bad guys."  And depending on how far you follow that rabbit trail, you may think to yourself something along the lines of, "If the Kree are the 'bad guys,' and the Kree are fighting the Skrulls, then regardless of what happened in the comics...maybe the Skrulls are...'good guys' here?"  Yup.  At least some of them are.  They are basically refugees against whom the Kree are waging an unjust war to exterminate them.  Project PEGASUS was basically Lawson's attempt to create experimental tech from the tesseract that would permit even more advanced space travel than what the Kress already have so that the various scattered factions of the Skrull can escape their reach.  And Lawson is the renegade Kree, Mar-Vell.  But, at least as far as we know in this film, she is "just another Kree" and doesn't have any special powers.  When Danvers has her memory unlocked, she finds out that Yonn-Rogg actually shot down an experimental craft Lawson built that Danvers was piloting (with Lawson onboard).  Lawson dies, but first tells Danvers to destroy it.  Danvers shoots the energy core, which is powered by the tesseract, and the resulting explosion is what transforms her.


Okay, there it is.  Read at your own risk.  But, again, it doesn't seem like that knowledge is necessary for Endgame.  Maybe read just the first part and not the second.  But it's all there, so it's up to you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 12:41:22 PM

-Carol:  We should have liked her, or at least been able to sympathize with her more.  She was okay.  But I think we should come away from a film feeling like our main character, the film's protagonist, and from every indication the one who is going to bear the Marvel standard going forward, needs to be a lot more than that.  And the pieces were there for us to connect with her.  But...nothing was ever really developed.
-Fury:  The MCU Fury has been pretty cool at times.  Often he's just decent.  This version of him really did nothing.  He was just a foil for CM.  And he was, more or less, and idiot.  I'm not sure if this was poor writing or poor directing.  But I have long been of the belief that Jackson NEEDS a good director to shine.  With a good director, he can be absolutely incredible.  Without one, he can be, at best, a wooden caricature of himself.  This performance was closer to the latter.

Fury was my favorite part of the film. And as far as Carol, you say “we” should have liked her. Who exactly are you speaking for, other than yourself? You’re projecting your opinion onto others, assuming they feel the same, when actually many DID like the film just fine. It’s baffling to me that someone would be THAT nitpicky about a superhero movie, lol. It’s just meant to be a fun escape, to pass the time. If you feel that way, fine, but stop assuming others do. Don’t speak for others...let them speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 12:46:05 PM
I'm not really assuming or projecting.  "We" (the audience) should have liked her because she is the protagonist and is, apparently, going to be a big part of the Marvel universe going forward, and the MCU films generally operate on the principle that the protagonist is generally supposed to be likable.  Whether or not "we" actually did is obviously going to vary person by person.  But I can obviously observe what is being reported, which is that a majority of viewers do NOT particularly like her.  That, to me, is a shortcoming.

And discussing and analyzing is what a forum is for, and is part of the fun of being on a forum.  If you feel it's too nitpicky, that's your prerogative.  But that's why we are here: to respectfully discuss things.  You are welcome to disagree with, or to disregard, anything that I or others say.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 14, 2019, 12:46:56 PM
Yeah, it's super fun imo... I might go back to see it in IMAX tonight actually. She shows plenty of emotion, and kicks ass while doing it. I liked her a lot.

Orb, no, it's not mandatory viewing, essentially she's a super soldier from the stars but originally born on Earth, and she works alongside Nick Fury in this film, which is of course who he pages at the end of IW. If you're not interested in seeing it in theaters, you aren't gonna miss much. Though you should see it on bluray :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 12:47:48 PM
Also, these movies are more than just brainless entertainment to pass the time. At least to people like me. If that's all it is to you, cool. But that's not what it is to many of us.


Anywho.


During the whole part of the trailers made up of former movies, thought it'd be funny if they included scenes of Edward Norton as Hulk. Someone needs to edit that together.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
I'm not really assuming or projecting.  "We" (the audience) should have liked her because she is the protagonist and is, apparently, going to be a big part of the Marvel universe going forward, and the MCU films generally operate on the principle that the protagonist is generally supposed to be likable.  Whether or not "we" actually did is obviously going to vary person by person.  But I can obviously observe what is being reported, which is that a majority of viewers do NOT particularly like her.  That, to me, is a shortcoming.

And discussing and analyzing is what a forum is for, and is part of the fun of being on a forum.  If you feel it's too nitpicky, that's your prerogative.  But that's why we are here: to respectfully discuss things.  You are welcome to disagree with, or to disregard, anything that I or others say.

The vast majority of viewers? According to what source? Just several people here who share the same view? You are definitely assuming that most people who saw the film share your views on it, and there is no way for you to know exactly that the “vast majority” are displeased with the film the way you are. That’s all I’m saying.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 12:59:24 PM
I didn't say a "vast majority."  I said a "majority."  Those are not the same.  And I can observe that by reading/listening to what people are actually saying.  Most of what is being said publicly is less than favorable.  Not sure why that bothers you.  It simply is what it is.  You are perfectly entitled to have a different opinion.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 14, 2019, 01:00:25 PM
Bosk, I think you need to cite from where you think the majority of people dislike her, especially because a lot of that is mixed up with idiots who blew her earlier comments out of proportion. Facebook shows lots of people loved her. My perception is definitely way different than yours.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 01:01:21 PM
To be fair to Bosk, even people, like myself, who liked the movie (but recognize the flaws) also think it was very hard to relate to Danvers and that her character lacked much depth. I have seen this opinion in many of the places I trust for reviews. People liked the movie. Even liked Carol, but recognized that she is a bit of a flat character.

Again, I fault that to the writers.

But can you tell me much about Danvers based on the movie? She is a strong warrior who gets angry at times and has a soft spot for her friend's kid.

I can't come up with much else.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 01:04:36 PM
I didn't say a "vast majority."  I said a "majority."  Those are not the same.  And I can observe that by reading/listening to what people are actually saying.  Most of what is being said publicly is less than favorable.  Not sure why that bothers you.  It simply is what it is.  You are perfectly entitled to have a different opinion.

Whether or not you said “vast majority” or “majority” is really irrelevant. The point is, you are assuming (based on nothing more than YOUR dissatisfaction with the film) that MOST viewers share the same sentiments, and I’m sorry, but you are wrong. You shouldn’t ever assume that others share your sentiments on anything; instead, base it on FACTS. That’s all I’m saying. In your initial post that I quoted, you worded YOUR personal sentiments with “we”. In other words, your were speaking for everyone, assuming they feel the same. The fact is, they do not. Many people have enjoyed the film so far, and just because you didn’t, doesn’t mean you should project your feelings and opinions on to others. As I said before, one shouldn’t speak for others. Let everyone speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 01:12:04 PM
Bosk, I think you need to cite from where you think the majority of people dislike her, especially because a lot of that is mixed up with idiots who blew her earlier comments out of proportion. Facebook shows lots of people loved her. My perception is definitely way different than yours.

No, actually I don't "need" to at all  I don't feel any need to justify my own opinion of the film by trying to come up with numbers.  You are conflating two things.  I gave my own opinion on the movie, and gave a pretty detailed explanation for why I feel that way.  You disagree?  Cool.  :tup  You have every right, and I respect that.  And I don't feel the need to try to somehow prove that you are wrong or that your opinion is not justified.  It's your opinion.  After letting this movie sink in, I am of the opinion that I will likely rank this at or near the bottom of the MCU releases.  At least, that's where I am at the moment.  Not sure why that seems to bother some people. 

Separately, I raised my observation that the majority of reviews and online chatter about the film seems to be negative rather than positive.  That's a separate issue.  And I don't feel the "need" to justify that either.  It is what it is.  And, yes, there is also a lot of positive about it too.  And that's cool.  My sense from what I have seen is that, while there is a lot of positive, there seems to be more negative (or at the very least, underwhelmed).  That's all.  Take a scroll through a Google search of review or through the reviews showing up on YouTube, and you'll see a similar thing.  Again, not sure what the fuss is about that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
I didn't say a "vast majority."  I said a "majority."  Those are not the same.  And I can observe that by reading/listening to what people are actually saying.  Most of what is being said publicly is less than favorable.  Not sure why that bothers you.  It simply is what it is.  You are perfectly entitled to have a different opinion.

Whether or not you said “vast majority” or “majority” is really irrelevant. The point is, you are assuming (based on nothing more than YOUR dissatisfaction with the film) that MOST viewers share the same sentiments, and I’m sorry, but you are wrong. You shouldn’t ever assume that others share your sentiments on anything; instead, base it on FACTS. That’s all I’m saying. In your initial post that I quoted, you worded YOUR personal sentiments with “we”. In other words, your were speaking for everyone, assuming they feel the same. The fact is, they do not. Many people have enjoyed the film so far, and just because you didn’t, doesn’t mean you should project your feelings and opinions on to others. As I said before, one shouldn’t speak for others. Let everyone speak for themselves.

Well, no, sorry, but you are completely off.  And while I have tried to be polite up to this point, you are completely misreading my post.  The "we" does not apply to what you are trying to apply it to, and I already explained that.  Your reading comprehension skills are decidedly lacking if you are taking that away from what I wrote.  If you can't handle someone else having an opinion that differs from yours, you aren't getting the point of a "discussion forum," emphasis on the word "discussion."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 14, 2019, 01:26:05 PM
Bosk, I think you need to cite from where you think the majority of people dislike her, especially because a lot of that is mixed up with idiots who blew her earlier comments out of proportion. Facebook shows lots of people loved her. My perception is definitely way different than yours.

No, actually I don't "need" to at all  I don't feel any need to justify my own opinion of the film by trying to come up with numbers.  You are conflating two things.  I gave my own opinion on the movie, and gave a pretty detailed explanation for why I feel that way.  You disagree?  Cool.  :tup  You have every right, and I respect that.  And I don't feel the need to try to somehow prove that you are wrong or that your opinion is not justified.  It's your opinion.  After letting this movie sink in, I am of the opinion that I will likely rank this at or near the bottom of the MCU releases.  At least, that's where I am at the moment.  Not sure why that seems to bother some people. 

Separately, I raised my observation that the majority of reviews and online chatter about the film seems to be negative rather than positive.  That's a separate issue.  And I don't feel the "need" to justify that either.  It is what it is.  And, yes, there is also a lot of positive about it too.  And that's cool.  My sense from what I have seen is that, while there is a lot of positive, there seems to be more negative (or at the very least, underwhelmed).  That's all.  Take a scroll through a Google search of review or through the reviews showing up on YouTube, and you'll see a similar thing.  Again, not sure what the fuss is about that.

Dude I wasn't trying to be rude or argumentative. Omg.  :(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 01:39:58 PM
No biggie.  We're still besties. 

Oh, and I also meant to respond to what you posted about a lot of the negative reviews being tied up with those who blew her prior comments out of proportion.  Yeah, I agree with that.  I have a post a few pages back where I was basically defending the film (pre-release) and defending her comments as being largely taken out of context.  I mean, if people still want to disagree with where she is coming from, that's fine.  But the problem is, a lot of the people reacting were reacting to an exaggerated and incorrect interpretation of what she said.  They just missed the point.  So, yeah, I'm largely disregarding that sort of thing.

And, again, I'm not citing negative reviews or negative opinions to try to say, "Hey, look at me--MY opinion is obviously correct and superior, and everybody that matters agrees with me, so I MUST be right!"  Nah.  Just saying that I was disappointed and, sadly, there seem to be a lot of people who feel that way, for one reason or another.  It's still a "good" movie.  I was listening to a review yesterday afternoon that was cracking me up because the dude was SO over the top in his criticism.  He gave the film a 2 out of 10, and was SO offbase on so many of his criticisms.  I can't agree with opinions that extreme.  Overall, as I said in my initial post after seeing it, I like it, and I think it moved the ball in terms of advancing the overall MCU storyline.  But at the same time, I just think it failed on a lot of fronts, and I have come to expect better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 02:02:09 PM
Yes, perhaps there are a lot of people who agree with you. But that does not, however, mean that the majority of people who saw the movie disliked it. The implication, whether you meant it or not, was that of all the people on planet Earth who saw the movie, most disliked it. There is simply no way for you to know that. Your initial post was speaking on others behalf, again, whether you meant to or not, you did. Saying "we" instead of "I" is what made it come across that way.

And, you're right, you don't have to prove anything to anyone, or justify your opinion on the movie to us. But, by the same token, don't expect to be able to make wild, generalized claims, without someone calling you out on it, and asking you what you're basing it on. Usually, when people generalize and make big claims like that (assuming everyone agrees with them), whenever someone asks them what their source is, they take the attitude of "I don't have to prove anything to you". That makes it clear that either A) you don't have anything objective to base your claim on, or B) you know deep down inside that you can't back it up, and are instead just trying to justify and validate your opinion, which you don't have to do anyway.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 02:06:10 PM
Yes, and several posts ago, I did explain and provide justification for the one small part of the post where I used "we," and it has NOTHING to do with any of the points you have raised since then.  If you are trying to "call me out," you are doing a really ineffective job of it because you continue to illustrate that you have no idea what I actually said.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 02:08:36 PM
Well, no, sorry, but you are completely off.  And while I have tried to be polite up to this point, you are completely misreading my post.  The "we" does not apply to what you are trying to apply it to, and I already explained that.  Your reading comprehension skills are decidedly lacking if you are taking that away from what I wrote.  If you can't handle someone else having an opinion that differs from yours, you aren't getting the point of a "discussion forum," emphasis on the word "discussion."

Bosk, I would advise you to check your attitude. There is absolutely no reason for you to insult me, saying my reading comprehension skills are off. This is completely unprofessional, and uncalled for. Just because you are a forum moderator, doesn't mean you are exempt from the forum rules. My reading comprehension skills are just fine. You posted something, speaking in generalities, saying the majority of people who saw the film are displeased. I simply said you are assuming that, and asked you what you are basing your claim on. That is all. If you don't like being called out on something like that, then don't do it. Simple as that. And, if you don't understand the point I was trying to convey, then there's no reason for me to waste anymore of my time trying to explain it to you. What you did was classic "the way I feel is the way everyone feels, and my opinion is right". I'm sorry, but that is simply not okay. I expect an apology from you, for insulting me, saying my reading comprehension skills are off.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 02:12:54 PM
Yes, and several posts ago, I did explain and provide justification for the one small part of the post where I used "we," and it has NOTHING to do with any of the points you have raised since then.  If you are trying to "call me out," you are doing a really ineffective job of it because you continue to illustrate that you have no idea what I actually said.

Dude, you were speaking for others in that initial post, simple as that. Deny it all you want, but you were. You are trying to backtrack now, after being called out on it, and act like you didn't, but you did. The fact is you have no objective, conclusive evidence to support your claim that the majority of viewers disliked it. You just don't. You clearly didn't like me saying you should never speak on the behalf of others, and instead should let people speak for themselves. I'm done arguing with you; it's clear that it's just a power trip with you, and you probably wouldn't ever own up to making a mistake, since you're a forum moderator.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 02:14:01 PM
Bosk said "we should have liked her"

Is that not true? He didn't say "we didn't like her". We SHOULD like the main hero. I have no idea why this is being blown up.


Both of you guys just let it go. Good Lord.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 02:15:04 PM
What you did was classic "the way I feel is the way everyone feels, and my opinion is right".

Nope.  Again, that is completely incorrect, and that has been explained several times now.  And, no, correcting you for misunderstanding my posts is not "insulting."  You clearly do not understand what I said.  And you continue to repeat it and insist that I said something different.  That's on you.  And I will continue to set the record straight when someone insists on attributing something to me that I didn't say.  Playing the "you are a moderator, so you aren't allowed to hurt my feelings" card is just silly.  People have opinions that different from yours.  Deal with it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 02:16:42 PM
Bosk said "we should have liked her"

Is that not true? He didn't say "we didn't like her". We SHOULD like the main hero. I have no idea why this is being blown up.


Both of you guys just let it go. Good Lord.

The point is he shouldn't be speaking for others, period. Everyone can have their own opinion, and that's fine. But when you start talking like everyone else agrees with you, don't get annoyed when someone asks you "Oh really, what's your source?". It's pretty common sense... if you make generalized claims and assumptions, eventually someone is going to disagree, and ask you what you are basing it on. So, the way to avoid that, is to speak for YOURSELF, and don't assume that the "majority" of viewers disliked it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 02:17:59 PM
But he wasn't. He was stating a general movie rule. We SHOULD like our main heroes, unless we're not supposed to for whatever reason.

I honestly did not see where he spoke for everyone else.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 02:21:31 PM
What you did was classic "the way I feel is the way everyone feels, and my opinion is right".

Nope.  Again, that is completely incorrect, and that has been explained several times now.  And, no, correcting you for misunderstanding my posts is not "insulting."  You clearly do not understand what I said.  And you continue to repeat it and insist that I said something different.  That's on you.  And I will continue to set the record straight when someone insists on attributing something to me that I didn't say.  Playing the "you are a moderator, so you aren't allowed to hurt my feelings" card is just silly.  People have opinions that different from yours.  Deal with it.

You weren't correcting me. You were implying that my reading comprehension skills are off, and that is insulting. If you don't see how that is insulting to say to someone, then I have nothing else to say to you. You clearly are demonstrating that, as a forum administrator, you think you are exempt from the rules, and can somehow be rude and insulting to others, when all they did was say, hey, you shouldn't speak for others, and what is your source?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Jay T on March 14, 2019, 02:24:23 PM
People have opinions that different from yours.  Deal with it.

I don't have to deal with anything. I have no problem with you have a differing opinion. What I have a problem with, however, is when someone makes wild, generalized claims, and then when they are politely asked what their source is, or how is it they could possibly know whether or not most people disliked it, that person then getting annoyed, and insulting my reading comprehension skills. As as a forum administrator, this is completely unprofessional, and unacceptable.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 02:31:31 PM
When you continue to insist on putting words into people's mouths that they never said, that is, by definition a failure of comprehension.  I told you what I actually did say.  Adami did the same.  You insist that I said something different.  Sorry, but you aren't the authority on what I said or what I meant.  And as you continue to put words into my mouth that I never said, I will continue to correct you.  And correcting you when you puts words into my mouth is not a violation of the forum rules.1



1.  And, by the way, hate to break it to you, but yeah, being the forum admin kind of actually does make one exempt from the rules.  Sorry you don't like that.  But when you're in someone else's house, they kinda get to make, interpret, and enforce the rules how they see fit.  But that doesn't really have anything to do with what we're talking about.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
I will pay a dollar to the first one of you who takes this to PM's so we can get back to discussing how Carol is going to punch Thanos and ruin Marvel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 02:40:29 PM
...so we can get back to discussing how Carol is going to punch Thanos and ruin Marvel.

Were we doing that?  I'm in!

In all seriousness, I'm not expecting that.  I mean, I kinda am expecting her to punch Thanos.  But...I just don't think it is going to really be all about Avengers+CM vs. Thanos.  I think there is going to be some sort of twist that we aren't expecting that is going to make it something different. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 14, 2019, 02:45:55 PM
Oh totally. I've just read....some....since I'm not allowed to make judgments of quantity here.....discussion about how Carol will ruin Endgame because she'll be a Deus Ex Machina and just save the day. Silly, but people seem to still be discussing it.


Also, one other issue I've seen discussed (I'm gonna sadly pull a Stadler here and argue against a point I've only read off this board) is...well two issues....is that Nick Fury is very different from the other MCU movies, and why did he never mention this stuff before hand?

1) People change over the course of 15 years or whatever it was. If you honestly expect someone starting in a thing like SHIELD to be the same as 15 years later as the head of SHIELD, then you be wrong.

2) Nick Fury keeps everything a secret. Him never saying a thing about Carol, or Skrulls, or aliens, or whatever is very much in character for him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ZirconBlue on March 14, 2019, 02:46:45 PM
Myself, my wife, and my son all found Captain Marvel quite likable, and not at all stiff. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 02:52:56 PM
Also, one other issue I've seen discussed (I'm gonna sadly pull a Stadler here and argue against a point I've only read off this board) is...well two issues....is that Nick Fury is very different from the other MCU movies, and why did he never mention this stuff before hand?

1) People change over the course of 15 years or whatever it was. If you honestly expect someone starting in a thing like SHIELD to be the same as 15 years later as the head of SHIELD, then you be wrong.

2) Nick Fury keeps everything a secret. Him never saying a thing about Carol, or Skrulls, or aliens, or whatever is very much in character for him.

I can see both sides of that.  On one hand, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you just said.  On the other hand, is it pretty obvious that they had no idea about any of this as they were writing Nick Fury over the last decade plus and retconned all of that in to fit this film and where the MCU is going?  Yeah, I think that is probably also pretty obviously true.  But I don't think either of those things matter.  The issue is whether they end up fitting together in a reasonably satisfying way.  I think they do. 

Same with the eye thing, right?  People are saying that if you take the whole "the last time I trusted somebody, I lost an eye!" line completely literally and at face value, then what they presented in CM contradicts that.  Well, no, not really.  Fury is kind of Cagey about a LOT of things he says, and he has shown that he is prone to exaggeration.  The Flerken scratching him is not inconsistent with what he was saying if you give some license for how the character thinks and talks, and how people talk in general.  Is this what the writers of that line originally had in mind?  Heck no!  Total retcon!  But who cares?  It fits well enough (even if I happen to think it was REALLY dumb in the execution).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on March 14, 2019, 02:57:50 PM
I agree with those who thought Captain Marvel was a bit stiff and wooden, but not as bad as Thor was in his first few appearances. Overall, I liked the character and liked the movie. It makes sense that she was a but stiff given that she's had 6 years of being taught to suppress her emotions.

Oh totally. I've just read....some....since I'm not allowed to make judgments of quantity here.....discussion about how Carol will ruin Endgame because she'll be a Deus Ex Machina and just save the day. Silly, but people seem to still be discussing it.
If we go through three hours of planning, time travel, alternate dimensions, getting the team back together, and whatever else they pull out, only to have Captain Marvel save the day with one huge photon blast, that would be pretty disappointing. I don't think that will be the case though.

I do think it becomes a small problem when some superheros are so much more powerful than others. Falcon, Ronin, Black Widow, etc who are basically just regular humans with good fighting skills become almost useless in a world with Captain Marvel to save the day.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 14, 2019, 03:07:45 PM
I agree with those who thought Captain Marvel was a bit stiff and wooden, but not as bad as Thor was in his first few appearances. Overall, I liked the character and liked the movie. It makes sense that she was a but stiff given that she's had 6 years of being taught to suppress her emotions.

Yeah, you know, you raise an interesting point.  I don't disagree with what you are saying.  And I think there are other viable explanations for that stiffness/woodenness as well.  I can rationally explain why she should come across that way.  But the thing is, while I can intellectually justify it, it still felt artificial to me.  On an emotional level, I just feel like it didn't work, and I've seen that feeling echoed elsewhere too.  Again, not trying to discount what you are saying.  But my take on it was a little bit different.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 14, 2019, 08:50:35 PM
I am coming back from watching CM with my older son and wife, and we ALL loved it!
I think they did really good with the characters (all of them).

--

Now we can't wait to watch Endgame
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 14, 2019, 10:03:03 PM
Sam Jackson on Jimmy Kimmel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVSntUcYRg

Brie Larson on Jimmy Kimmel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwRg7L8oh9I
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 15, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
Well, much to my surprise, apparently James Gunn has been rehired by Disney to direct Guardian's 3.

Probably the best decision they can make, PR wise, even though I think someone else should direct it. Though I thought that before he was fired. Love his take on (most of) the characters, but not a fan of how he structured the two movies or how he handled the villains. Ah well. Still good news.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 15, 2019, 01:24:50 PM
There are a LOT of things about James Gunn that bother me.  But the firing itself bothered me, simply because I think his comments, while inflammatory and offensive were both taken out of context AND so long ago that they were irrelevant.  And while there are some things about the Guardians movies specifically that really bother me, I can also applaud a lot of what he did.  I don't think I would have even cared about a Guardians of the Galaxy film and its characters if done differently than what he did, and I know I am far from alone in that.  I remember that when the word broke that the MCU was doing Guardians of the Galaxy, a LOT of people were perplexed and wondering why Marvel would even bother with such B-list characters that most people outside the die-hards have never heard of. 

So, yeah, overall, I feel like this is good news for GG3.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 15, 2019, 01:52:41 PM
ADAM WARLOOOOOOCK!!!

So happy he's back, and like I shouted above, I hope Adam Warlock finally makes his appearance in the MCU since it was hinted at the end of 2. 2 had problems and I'm always exhausted by the end but nobody else deserves to direct the third one. Good on Disney.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on March 15, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
This is good news, not just because I like the GotG movies and how Gunn has done them so far, but because maybe, just maybe, it's the start of things swinging back toward sanity again.

Racist bigoted assholes, sexual predators, or other lowlifes, they can all go to hell and if their careers go to shit once their nature is revealed, then I'm okay with that.  But if someone said something years ago, and it's pretty well documented that they're not like that anymore, or things were taken out of context or something, then maybe give them a break, you know?  This shit where people's lives and/or careers are in ruins over the slightest thing is kind of getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 15, 2019, 02:53:54 PM
ADAM WARLOOOOOOCK!!!

So happy he's back, and like I shouted above, I hope Adam Warlock finally makes his appearance in the MCU since it was hinted at the end of 2. 2 had problems and I'm always exhausted by the end but nobody else deserves to direct the third one. Good on Disney.

Indeed. My only fear is that, like almost everything else in his movies, he'll be played for laughs. There are few characters as serious as Adam Warlock.


Except Drax, who  has also been turned into a one note joke. A perfectly executed one note joke, but still.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 15, 2019, 03:13:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he is treated as the male Captain Marvel, ie stoic and more stoic :) I certainly hope they don't try to turn him into comic relief.

I could do with less blatant comic relief from Drax as well, but... not gonna lie, "I have huge turds" still makes me laugh.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 15, 2019, 03:45:08 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he is treated as the male Captain Marvel, ie stoic and more stoic :) I certainly hope they don't try to turn him into comic relief.

I could do with less blatant comic relief from Drax as well, but... not gonna lie, "I have huge turds" still makes me laugh.

Yea, it's actually annoying. I hate Drax being a joke, but god damn is he funny.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 15, 2019, 03:46:56 PM
:lol I can understand that. As someone who's never read the comics, I love Drax. But I can totally get the ambivalence of finding movie Drax hilarious while at the same time disliking how the adaptation from comics Drax.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 15, 2019, 04:12:29 PM
Which reminds me, I think it was just right in Infinity War, since there was much less time to focus on Drax. His whole invisibility bit and comments about Thor got massive laughs out of the audience.

I also wonder if they're going to be able to bring everybody back before finishing off Thanos, and if so, if Drax is going to have a moment to have a final word with Thanos, given his whole family was, you know, killed by him.
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Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 15, 2019, 04:19:16 PM
I'm happy about this decision, both because I enjoyed the GOTG movies, and because firing him was a stupid fucking move in the first place.

I remember before this whole thing went down, there was talk about how Gunn was supposed to be overseeing the whole 'cosmic' side of the MCU, I wonder if that's still the case?
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Post by: Indiscipline on March 15, 2019, 05:30:48 PM
ADAM WARLOOOOOOCK!!!

That's actually splendid. Can we hope for some Pip the Troll?
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Post by: Ninjabait on March 15, 2019, 10:12:38 PM
I went to see Captain Marvel this evening. I honestly liked it a lot. It's a charming, fun movie that has a good tonal balance all the way through it. It's one of the better hero introductory movies, floating around Spidey and Dr. Strange in my MCU rankings. Is it as good as, say, Avengers or Black Panther or Captain America 2/3? Nah. Is it good? Yeah. Mostly spoiler free thoughts below:

Pros:
* The treatment of the Skrulls in the movie was really nice and genuinely caught me off guard. General Talos was one of the best parts of the movie.
* Brie Larson knocks it out of the park and it felt like she had great chemistry with nearly everyone.
* Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers feels like a combination of some of the more interesting traits of Thor, Cap, and Iron Man. From how I saw her in the movie, she feels like a good fit to "lead" the MCU from this point on.
* The jokes they gave her were on point.
* The memory dive scene from the beginning was really cool
* Nick Fury was great. His jokes were good. The spy stuff we saw him doing was pretty good. The teasing about his eye was good.
* Samuel L. Jackson and Brie Larson have just killer chemistry.
* The one use of the Avengers theme in this movie. Dang, that was on point.
* The final post-credits scene. I'm still processing that. What even was that?
* The mid credits scene was good in a different way.
* The were some subtle references to other MCU films. Like one of the Kree we see in the movie was in Guardians of the Galaxy.
* The space battles. Aw yiss.
* Goose.

Cons:
* Having watched Agents of Shield made some of the twists in the film really obvious
* I know the film was mostly centered around Danvers and Fury, but Yon-Rogg (Jude Law) and Coulson felt really underutilized.
* Speaking of Yon-Rogg, his final scene was a little underwhelming.
* Ronan the Accuser's final line being rendered moot by him getting exploded in Guardians.
* As usual, the score for the movie is rather unremarkable.
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Post by: Adami on March 16, 2019, 08:56:25 AM
Continuing my Marvel re-watch, last night was The Incredible Hulk.

You know, this movie gets a lot of hate, but it's actually pretty damn good. I wonder if the dislike is mostly because of the recast, causing this movie to feel unconnected to anything. The final fight is a bit meh, but the rest of the movie is good. Pretty good directing, good acting, script was good, etc. I don't see where the hate comes from, other than it feeling disconnected.

Iron Man II is tomorrow.
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Post by: lonestar on March 16, 2019, 11:03:42 AM
I never had any problems with The Incredibly Hulk, and thought Norton made a good Banner. I started my own MCU run through yesterday with the first Captain America, and will go see Captain Marvel another time before running through the rest.
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Post by: Dream Team on March 16, 2019, 05:08:58 PM
Continuing my Marvel re-watch, last night was The Incredible Hulk.

You know, this movie gets a lot of hate, but it's actually pretty damn good. I wonder if the dislike is mostly because of the recast, causing this movie to feel unconnected to anything. The final fight is a bit meh, but the rest of the movie is good. Pretty good directing, good acting, script was good, etc. I don't see where the hate comes from, other than it feeling disconnected.

Iron Man II is tomorrow.

Totally agree.
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Post by: Ninjabait on March 16, 2019, 05:16:20 PM
I think the main issue people have against Hulk is how disconnected it is from the rest of the MCU. It's, so far, the only MCU movie I have yet to see, and I've honestly not missed out on knowing anything or getting a certain important reference in another MCU movie. The only two things that survived (so to speak) that movie afaik were Talbot and Hulk. Neither of whom you need to watch this movie to understand. The recasting doesn't help in that regard either.

I don't see a whole lot of people ever saying it's bad, just kind of unnecessary in the grand scheme of things. Most of what I've heard about the movie is "it's okay".
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Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2019, 06:20:34 PM
You mean General Ross, not Talbot :P

Anyway, went to see CM yersterday and finally came here to read the thread (been avoiding it since, you know... spoilers). It was a good movie, not the best thing ever, not bad. A few elements felt forced to me, and I'm definitely not too excited about this super OP character who just appeared out of nowhere just because they needed a strong female lead for their all new-all inclusive MCU in phase 4.

A few things that bothered me:

- The way Fury lost his eye... really? That was unexpected, yes, but was it a good twist? Definitely not.

- The way they explained to her how she got her powers. "We gave them to you", well, I guess if you have no memories of your past and they tell you this, you might believe it... for a while, but it doesn't make sense when literally no other Kree had the same powers. Maybe they told her she was the test subject or something, but if I spent 6 years with powers no one else has, I'd become very skeptical as in... if you gave them to me, why none of you has them? Bad writing. Please tell me I'm not the only one who thought of this.

- The way they overpowered her at the end, to the point nonthing (apparently) can hurt her. Nothing was a threat to her in the last act of the movie, how is she supposed to be vulnerable? This is one of my main complaints about Superman too (excepting all that Kryptonite thing), he's so OP, that he's pretty much never in danger. Ever.

- They talked about how cool it was to explore other sides of Ronan, Korath and Coulson, but they were barely in there.

- The way they explained the costume color change... really? I mean, it works, but I expected a completely different explanation

Other than that, I enjoyed this movie and am excited for future CM if they manage to keep the extreme feminism in check.

As others mentiones before, that twist with the skrulls was a great thing, and I deffinitely didn't see that coming. I went to the theater thinking Talos was going to be just a generic villain, but I was gladly proven wrong. Really enjoyed the character and their overall arc.

Now, the only thing I'm waiting for them to explain in Edgame is how Carol returned to Earth looking exactly the same as she left 20+ years ago.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 16, 2019, 06:49:32 PM
I think the concern about Marvel's powers are a little unnecessary, frankly. Think about it. Hulk and Thor are technically two of the strongest superheroes the MCU has ever seen, but they still have weaknesses and flaws to exploit. Although Hulk might not have his planet-destroying punches in the MCU, he is still one of the strongest characters, defying gravity, running up buildings, dragging people through pavement and earth and Thanos still clapped his ass without breaking a sweat. Thor is a literal god, and we saw him get wrecked by Hulk in Thor: Ragnarok. Vision is also supposed to be one of the strongest beings ever (he can move through matter, fire laser beams, lift Thor's hammer when nobody else can, and is also crafted from an Infinity Stone) - and he got killed twice  :lol

I think - hope - we'll see more sides of Marvel's powers in Infinity War, but also that we see some of her limits against a hulking master fighter like Thanos and the strength of the Infinity Stones themselves. I really hope there's a one-on-one fight between the two and that she struggles. She might have photon blasts, but Thanos is a giant with huge hands, and I don't think even her Super Saiyan strength is gonna be much good against Thanos even if he's not wearing the gauntlet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: kaos2900 on March 17, 2019, 01:45:54 PM
Saw Captain Marvel yesterday and loved it. Definitely one of my favorites of the MCU. We too are in the middle of a MCU rewatch and have 5 films left. Once complete I'll post my rankings.
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Post by: The Trooper on March 17, 2019, 03:20:23 PM
Ireally liked it. Not loved it. Going to do a rewatch tonite by myself because my twin 12 year old boys were going crazy. Lots of stuff going on that I think I missed on first watch. Liked the twists they thru in. People are complaining about the cause of Fury's eye, but if you rewatch, prior movies he makes hints about it. Plus, if the Skrulls aregoing to play a small part, the eye patch covers the scars on his eye, that if they were to duplicate him.

Overall a solid addition to the MCU, I have absolutely NO problem with Brie's performance and actually like the take on her. Will be interesting in endgame how she interacts with the current Avengers. From the last Endgame trailer we see Thor likes her.
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Post by: Dream Team on March 17, 2019, 05:12:25 PM
Carol not aging has several easy explanations - the most obvious being she doesn’t age like non-enhanced humans. But also traveling at the speed of light or better really warps the time continuum.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 17, 2019, 09:12:31 PM
Just watched Iron Man 1 for the first time in years. Still holds up. Still awesome.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on March 18, 2019, 12:45:33 AM
Continuing my Marvel re-watch, last night was The Incredible Hulk.

You know, this movie gets a lot of hate, but it's actually pretty damn good. I wonder if the dislike is mostly because of the recast, causing this movie to feel unconnected to anything. The final fight is a bit meh, but the rest of the movie is good. Pretty good directing, good acting, script was good, etc. I don't see where the hate comes from, other than it feeling disconnected.

Iron Man II is tomorrow.
I always liked The Incredible Hulk a lot (notwithstanding the meh final battle, as you say) and have never understood why it's seen as lower quality. I don't remember that being the case back when it first came out.
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Post by: ariich on March 18, 2019, 12:49:01 AM
I think the concern about Marvel's powers are a little unnecessary, frankly.
Yeah I find it weird that people are suddenly bothered about an overpowered character when they've been fine with them before.

Slightly different but Luke Cage was indestructible and they even turned that into a key part of the story in season 2.
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Post by: Polarbear on March 18, 2019, 03:23:46 AM
Saw Captain Marvel yesterday and it was good!

A mid tier Marvel movie for me. Perfectly enjoyable with a couple of problems. I did enjoy the character of Carol Danvers and I liked the different take on Fury. It almost felt like a buddy cop movie at times, with Carol and Fury ;D.

But yeah, it was just an appetizer for the main event. Endgame cannot come soon enough!
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Post by: bosk1 on March 19, 2019, 08:11:30 AM
Just revisiting my rankings on page 65 of the thread.  I think Captain Marvel goes somewhere in the bottom third.  I'm not sure exactly where and would need to see it again (home video, most likely) before making that determination.  I know I would put it below Ant Man and Wasp, which I currently have at 14.  Probably below Black Panther as well.  But beyond that, I'm not sure exactly where it will fall.  Again, I still liked it.  I just wish I liked it more.  During this last phase, I just feel like the MCU has reached a critical mass where mistakes are being made in the storytelling.  This isn't the first time.  But CM just had more of that, and it's harder to reconcile.  Calling "plot hole!" and "continuity error!" whenever there is an unanswered question or a plot segment fans don't like has become all too ubiquitous nowadays.  But in the case of CM, there actually are plot holes and continuity errors within the MCU, and they are much more abundant than in past films, and it is very distracting from what should have been a better film.

All that said, now that I've said those things "out loud," I'm kind of feeling like I'd put this maybe just below The Dark World and above Iron Man II.

It's interesting looking at the upcoming slate of movies as well.  There are definitely some things I am looking forward to.  And there are others where...not so much.  Moving into the next phase after Endgame, I think Marvel is definitely going to move from mandatory viewing to "I'll wait and see what the reviews are and see if it looks any good." 
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2019, 08:50:05 AM
Continuing my re-watch, did Iron Man II a few nights ago.

Yea, this one was rough. The good was very good. Downy is great and has amazing chemistry with....everyone. I actually really liked Sam Rockwell as the alternative Tony Stark. But the writing is just not very good. Justin Theoroux shouldn't be writing these. Gonna watch Thor tonight.


Also, didn't realize this til I did my re-watch of Incredible Hulk but it's the only Marvel movie without a mid or post-credits scene. I always though the scene of Stark going into the bar was it, but that plays before the credits even start.
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Post by: Adami on March 19, 2019, 05:17:49 PM
And the Disney Fox deal is complete.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 20, 2019, 09:35:52 AM
I sat on this list for a few days to really make sure I had this right. I think this is my definitive MCU ranking, at least as of right now. The top 10 was really hard to nail down and honestly I think of these more in groups rather than individual rankings. So basically:

1-3: absolutely amazing
4-5: very minor quibbles that keep them out of top 3, but for various reasons I still enjoy them more than all the rest
6-9: excellent
10-14: very enjoyable, but I might tune out on repeat viewings for various reasons (such as the first Avengers and its massive setup time in the first hour)
15-17: good enough the first go round, but don't hold up on subsequent views, or I can't make it through a second time
18-21: I have no desire to watch these again

1. Avengers: Infinity War
2. Thor: Ragnarok
3. Captain America: Civil War
4. Iron Man
5. Spider-Man: Homecoming
6. Guardians of the Galaxy
7. Doctor Strange
8. Captain Marvel
9. Iron Man 3
10. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
11. Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2
12. Iron Man 2
13. The Avengers
14. Ant-Man & The Wasp
15. Avengers: Age of Ultron
16. Ant-Man
17. Black Panther
18. Captain America: The First Avenger
19. Thor
20. Thor: The Dark World
21. The Incredible Hulk
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2019, 11:05:31 AM
Deadpool in Endgame!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjjkStofi3Q  :caffeine:
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Post by: Orbert on March 20, 2019, 11:16:52 AM
I can't even tell anymore.  Is that a "real" trailer, or just Deadpool fucking with us?
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Post by: Grappler on March 20, 2019, 11:24:11 AM
I can't even tell anymore.  Is that a "real" trailer, or just Deadpool fucking with us?

It's fan-made.  I can clearly hear that it's not Ryan Reynolds' voice.  This is the top comment on the video, from the page itself:

Quote
Hope you liked the edit!
Shoutout to my friends "Nik Zutshi" who voiced Deadpool and "Mohd Mistry" who modelled Deadpool in the video. Go and show them some love on their social media! (LINK IN BIO)
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Post by: Adami on March 20, 2019, 12:46:23 PM
Continuing my re-watch, did Thor last night.

You know...this movie is odd. What works really works. All the of actors are great. They even began...BEGAN....setting up the Warriors Three and Sif to have personality, then just kind of dropped it. In the initial fight scene, they gave them all unique fighting styles, which I thought was cool. Wish they could have been developed more. Obviously Chris and Tom are great, as is Anthony Hopkins. The overall plot was a little muddy and convoluted, but most of all it seems the movie itself was in a hurry to finish and get to The Avengers.

Tomorrow is The Avengers! Haven't seen it in years.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2019, 01:04:35 PM
The fam and I watched Captain Marvel last night.

What a blast!  We all generally agreed that it was roughly 8 pounds of fun in a five pound bag.

My wife thought it was probably her favorite Marvel film thus far.  I don't agree with her, but it was definitely loads of fun.

I loved how they subverted the normal take on Skrulls.  I also thought that Ben Mendolsohn was the best thing about the film.

The Stan Lee tribute and cameo were extremely well-done.

Can't wait for Endgame!
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Post by: Adami on March 20, 2019, 01:05:50 PM
Speaking of Endgame, Russo's have stated that the trailer contains footage that is not from the film as to throw us off the trail. Kinda smart. they did the same thing in Infinity War with a shot of The Hulk running with everyone.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
There are many good ways of describing Captain Marvel.

Then there's this:
What a blast!  We all generally agreed that it was roughly 8 pounds of fun in a five pound bag.
:orly:
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Post by: The Walrus on March 20, 2019, 01:23:01 PM
I was just talking with a friend last night about how they'd put fake footage in the trailer. Good to know I was right  :biggrin:
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Post by: lonestar on March 20, 2019, 01:24:47 PM
Just finished watching Spiderman:Into the Spiderverse...and I got to be honest, it pretty much blew away most everything else I've seen recently. What an outstanding piece of work.
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Post by: lordxizor on March 20, 2019, 01:45:57 PM
Just finished watching Spiderman:Into the Spiderverse...and I got to be honest, it pretty much blew away most everything else I've seen recently. What an outstanding piece of work.
I wholeheartedly agree. I thought this was one of the top 3, if not the top, superhero movie I've ever seen. It was fantastic.
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Post by: Adami on March 20, 2019, 01:47:18 PM
Yea, it's truly amazing. Hard to compare it other comic book movies like Infinity War, or Logan or whatever, since....despite all being comic book movies...they are all trying to do very different things.
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Post by: Ninjabait on March 20, 2019, 02:22:48 PM
Someone on reddit synced up all the scenes of The Decimation from Ant-Man and the Wasp and Infinity War and it's honestly amazing. (https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/b37hj5/seeing_it_all_happen_at_the_same_time_is/) Major Spoilers obviously
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Post by: bosk1 on March 20, 2019, 03:07:08 PM
Wow, that's pretty cool.
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Post by: Zook on March 21, 2019, 12:51:52 AM
Captain Marvel was good.
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Post by: lordxizor on March 21, 2019, 08:36:50 AM
I really hope theaters put Infinity War back on the big screen as a double feature with Endgame.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 21, 2019, 10:30:35 AM
I really hope theaters put Infinity War back on the big screen as a double feature with Endgame.

Yesssss!!
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 21, 2019, 11:43:54 AM
There are many good ways of describing Captain Marvel.

Then there's this:
What a blast!  We all generally agreed that it was roughly 8 pounds of fun in a five pound bag.
:orly:
In heffese, that's a compliment.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 22, 2019, 11:39:12 AM
Out of curiosity, how do you all watch the MCU? I only have a handful of them on Blu-ray (Black Panther, Infinity War, Ragnarok, Homecoming), and eventually I'll get them all on Blu-ray, but I've started renting them through YouTube.

I rented Iron Man last weekend, and I think I might have an Avengers marathon this weekend thanks to YouTube rentals (Avengers -> Age of Ultron -> Civil War -> maybe watch Infinity War for the millionth time).
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Post by: Grappler on March 22, 2019, 11:46:17 AM
Out of curiosity, how do you all watch the MCU? I only have a handful of them on Blu-ray (Black Panther, Infinity War, Ragnarok, Homecoming), and eventually I'll get them all on Blu-ray, but I've started renting them through YouTube.

I rented Iron Man last weekend, and I think I might have an Avengers marathon this weekend thanks to YouTube rentals (Avengers -> Age of Ultron -> Civil War -> maybe watch Infinity War for the millionth time).

I've rented every one of them except Spider Man Homecoming and Ant Man & The Wasp, and only saw Avengers 1 in the theater. 

I only own a few of the Phase 1 movies (Iron Man, Thor, CA/First Avenger, and The Avengers).  The rest I have rented and then waited for repeat viewings once they hit cable TV or lately, Netflix.

I'd love to own them all, but have never kept up with buying the discs.  Now, the idea of buying 20 blu rays and playing catch up takes a lot less of a priority than other expenses that I have.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 22, 2019, 11:47:42 AM
Yeah, it's kind of off-putting to realize I need to buy 17 Blu-rays if I want to have them all. I'm a stickler for buying films brand new for something like this, as a big collection, but I might just say screw it and get them way cheaper at a Disc Replay or something.
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Post by: Adami on March 22, 2019, 11:47:55 AM
I own them all on Blu Ray.



Continuing my re-watch, last night was The Avengers. You know, I forgot how cool and good this movie is. I remembering being a bit meh by the idea of watching them all get together again, since it's no longer a cool special thing. But once it started, the writing is sharp, the directing is good, great action, great character moments. Just a fantastic movie. Minus the problem with the ending. But overall, really great.

Sunday is Iron Man III. Wonder if I will dislike the last 3rd as much as I did the last time I saw it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 22, 2019, 11:52:04 AM
Katt, do you mean what media do we watch them on or what order to watch them?  You mention a few different things, so it's not clear to me what question you are asking. 

I have them all, other than CM (DVD for the phase 1 individual films, and BR from Avengers onward).  So watching them is not a problem.  And it seems like one or the other of them is almost always on in the background at my house.

For me, if I were to try to do an abbreviated marathon to gear up for Endgame, it would probably focus on the main infinity stones storyline and Tony, with some of the films cut out just to save time.  I think it might go something like this:

-Avengers:  Sets up the whole thing, and seems like it is going to be revisited.
-Iron Man III:  Hear me out on this.  I think the arc for Tony here is really important.  The trauma he is feeling here is extremely relevant to what happens next.
[-Thor: The Dark World:  Important from the standpoint of the infinity stones arc overall.  But what happens in that regard is relatively straightforward, so this film is probably one of the more skippable ones in my list]
-Age of Ultron:  I think going from IM3 into this one would have a cool effect in terms of observing where Tony is, emotionally and psychologically.
-Guardians:  The cosmic stuff is important.  Power stone.  Thanos.  'nuff said.
-Civil War:  The team splits.  This is important for Infinity War.
[-Dr. Strange:  Time stone.  But probably skippable.]
-Thor: Ragnarok:  Great bridge for Thor between Age of Ultron and Iinfinity War. 
-Infinity War:  well, duh.

With the two "skippable" films, that's still 7 movies to watch.  But it is a more "streamlined" story, if you can consider 7 movies "streamlined."
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 22, 2019, 11:56:10 AM
I can't help myself.  I bought them all.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on March 22, 2019, 12:04:32 PM
I am watching them on Netflix
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on March 22, 2019, 12:10:13 PM
I own them all on Blu Ray.

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy


If ever there was a film series I'd even consider owning in HD, it would be the MCU stuff.

But like many here, I basically see them in the theaters or rent/download them later.  Great stuff.  I consider myself fortunate to have seen them all, pretty much as they came out, and every single one of them is good, great, or just plain ass-kicking.  It's been a great ride so far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 22, 2019, 12:29:20 PM
Bosk, I'm asking what medium through which you view the movies - do you rent them digitally like I have, do you own them on a physical format, are you a filthy little pirate, etc.?

I plan on getting a 4K TV in the future so it would actually be cool if there was a 4K Blu-ray MCU collection. It would be ridiculously expensive, but I keep imagining this giant box art that contains all the films, with Thanos, the heroes, and the stones as the art, and each spine of the films' Blu-ray case connecting to make another giant image.
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Post by: lordxizor on March 22, 2019, 12:46:28 PM
I've seen over half in the theaters and the other rented or borrowed at home. I have honestly never watched any MCU movie more than once, so I don't awn any of them. It's odd for a movie series I enjoy that I've never watched any of them a second time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on March 22, 2019, 01:47:20 PM
I have all Blu Rays.  My friend who has a movie theater in his house has a 4K player.   He owns 6 in 4K  All the rest are Blu Ray.  I'm not sure all are out as 4K.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 22, 2019, 01:52:15 PM
The only con to buying the blu rays when they come out is that we all know in 6-8 months they're going to release a gigantic Phase 1-3 box set with tons of stuff that I will have very little reason to buy since I already own them all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 22, 2019, 02:36:01 PM
The only con to buying the blu rays when they come out is that we all know in 6-8 months they're going to release a gigantic Phase 1-3 box set with tons of stuff that I will have very little reason to buy since I already own them all.

I love buying the newer films because there's a really pleasing visual design to all the cases (Black Panther, Homecoming, Ragnarok, Infinity War all look beautiful next to each other on my film stand), but yeah, I kinda wish I hadn't bought any of them because we all know that bigass set is coming after Endgame wraps.
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Post by: Orbert on March 22, 2019, 02:39:43 PM
Yeah, but that bigass set is gonna be like 75 discs and cost $399.95 (plus tax).  It helps me feel better thinking that.

Years ago, I really didn't think I'd see the day, but I'm kinda getting away from physical media.  I love my DVDs and Blu-rays, but I don't buy many anymore, and I don't pull them out and put them on as much as... well, not very much at all, really.  :(
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Post by: The Walrus on March 22, 2019, 03:29:34 PM
It's funny how (other than the MCU) I don't ever buy any films on physical media, but I make sure to pay for both Spotify *and* CDs, even if I don't play the CDs anymore.  :lol
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Post by: MinistroRaven on March 22, 2019, 04:48:19 PM
I hope that after ENDGAME they release a mega box of Blu Rays with lots of extras, memorabilia, and other cool things, I would buy that
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Post by: Adami on March 22, 2019, 04:58:10 PM
I hope that after ENDGAME they release a mega box of Blu Rays with lots of extras, memorabilia, and other cool things, I would buy that

Oh they will. And not buying it will be a tough necessary choice for me.
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Post by: lonestar on March 24, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
Saw that AMC theaters may be doing a 22 movie marathon in preparation of Endgame...


http://epicstream.com/news/NobelleBorines/AMC-Reportedly-Hosting-22-Film-MCU-Marathon-Ahead-Of-Avengers-Endgame-Premiere?utm_content=bufferf31cb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=epicbuffer&fbclid=IwAR2YtrwLy_x2h1orkD4jmwLy6RjI_q-WEuGC9mdo15O-Uq2DlPs8He7RT2c (http://epicstream.com/news/NobelleBorines/AMC-Reportedly-Hosting-22-Film-MCU-Marathon-Ahead-Of-Avengers-Endgame-Premiere?utm_content=bufferf31cb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=epicbuffer&fbclid=IwAR2YtrwLy_x2h1orkD4jmwLy6RjI_q-WEuGC9mdo15O-Uq2DlPs8He7RT2c)
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 24, 2019, 05:08:46 PM
I can do that from my recliner.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on March 24, 2019, 06:26:19 PM
From Mark Ruffalo FACEBOOK Page;

YOU could join me at the Avengers: Endgame premiere and take home Thor’s hammer (sorry, Chris!). Show some love to the Stella Adler Academy of Acting & Theatre - Los Angeles and ENTER HERE: http://bit.ly/You-Me-Avengers-Premiere

 :metal
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Post by: Samsara on March 25, 2019, 09:42:09 AM
Has 4k not quite caught on? I upgraded to a 4k HDR blu-ray player...I think almost two years ago when we upgraded our TV. I upgraded a few of my favorite films to 4k immediately, but noticed that the standard Blu-ray upconverts it at a level where it is absolutely an improvement to my non-expert eyes. I buy all my new stuff in 4k, but after those first few upgrade purchases, I leave my current Blu-Rays and just watch those on the 4k player.

I don't own all the MCU films. I have a few, but haven't wanted to splurge.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 25, 2019, 09:43:56 AM
Has 4k not quite caught on? I upgraded to a 4k HDR blu-ray player...I think almost two years ago when we upgraded our TV. I upgraded a few of my favorite films to 4k immediately, but noticed that the standard Blu-ray upconverts it at a level where it is absolutely an improvement to my non-expert eyes. I buy all my new stuff in 4k, but after those first few upgrade purchases, I leave my current Blu-Rays and just watch those on the 4k player.

I don't own all the MCU films. I have a few, but haven't wanted to splurge.

I didn't know regular Blu-rays could automatically look better on a 4K Blu-ray player/4k TV. That's cool! I've only ever watched 4K once, and that was an episode of Planet Earth in 4K (or maybe it was Life... can't remember, honestly) on my buddy's 70 or 75" 4K TV and that was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen on a home television.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 27, 2019, 08:20:03 AM
Continuing my rewatch, did Iron Man III  on Sunday and Thor: The Dark World last night.

Iron Man III: Actually better than I remembered. The movie itself was really good. Great comedic moments. I actually liked the Mandarin twist, especially with the knowledge from the One Shot that there is a real Mandarin out there somewhere. I didn't HATE the 3rd act as much as I did last time, but I still didn't like it.

Also, after watching this and Iron Man II, it seems the Tony could have been spared a lot of drama if he and his dad were just nicer to people and less of a dick.



Thor: The Dark World....on the other hand....not very good at all. Definitely at the bottom for me. It has good moments. All the Loki stuff is great. But it felt like the movie was created based on an idea for ending.

"So how about for the next Thor movie, it ends with a huge crazy battle with Thor and the bad guy fighting and flying through wormholes and everything"
"Why would there be wormholes everywhere on earth?"
"Uhhhhh cause the realms are alligning?"
"Uh huh...and who benefits from that?"
"Uhhhh -reads quick comic-.....a dark elf?"
"Sure, and what does the dark elf want?"
".........darkness?"
"Perfect, go write it"

It's just a not good script. Which is odd since 2/3 of the writing team are the dudes that brought us Winter Soldier, Civil war, Infinity War and Endgame. Maybe they had limited input? I dunno. But the writing is bad. Directing is surprisingly good, considering how bad the script is. Ah well.

Tomorrow night is the first Guardians movie, followed a few days later by Guardians II.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on March 27, 2019, 01:56:29 PM
Get your short shorts on to dance to all that great 70's AOR soundtrack for both movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on March 27, 2019, 02:00:49 PM
Get your short shorts on to dance to all that great 70's AOR soundtrack for both movies.

I think I'm one of the very few people who don't put Guardians in their top 3. I just think certain elements were perfect, and other elements were so bad that it dragged the whole thing down pretty far. Maybe I'll feel differently this time. Definitely happened with Iron Man III and stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on March 27, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
I know a bunch of people who like Guardians, but don't have it in their top 3. For me I didn't like it for the longest time... then I had nothing else to watch so I watched it again, and over the next 2-3 replays, it grew on me. That's extremely rare for me to give multiple replays to something I initially didn't like at all, but now it's among my favorite Marvel films, but not in top 3. The soundtrack for the Guardians films, though, is the best in the MCU, and I hope 3 keeps that up.

2 is really hard to watch. I'm not one to ever complain about a lot of visual effects, but Guardians 2 is exhausting by the end. The visuals are very pretty and well-done, but my eyes are tired by the end of the movie. Ego's planet alone (surface) goes insane with the visual effects.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on March 27, 2019, 02:10:41 PM
Get your short shorts on to dance to all that great 70's AOR soundtrack for both movies.

I think I'm one of the very few people who don't put Guardians in their top 3. I just think certain elements were perfect, and other elements were so bad that it dragged the whole thing down pretty far. Maybe I'll feel differently this time. Definitely happened with Iron Man III and stuff.

My top 3 would be

Captain America : The Winter Soldier
Captain America: Civil War
The Avengers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 27, 2019, 03:25:30 PM
I hope that after ENDGAME they release a mega box of Blu Rays with lots of extras, memorabilia, and other cool things, I would buy that

Oh they will. And not buying it will be a tough necessary choice for me.
Kevin Feige has already called the entire set of first 22 films the Infinity Saga.  So you know there will be a set with that logo plastered all over it.
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Post by: gzarruk on March 27, 2019, 04:59:05 PM
I hope that after ENDGAME they release a mega box of Blu Rays with lots of extras, memorabilia, and other cool things, I would buy that

Oh they will. And not buying it will be a tough necessary choice for me.
Kevin Feige has already called the entire set of first 22 films the Infinity Saga.  So you know there will be a set with that logo plastered all over it.

And I'll be tempted to spend big $$$ on it :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on March 28, 2019, 08:27:31 AM
Get your short shorts on to dance to all that great 70's AOR soundtrack for both movies.

I think I'm one of the very few people who don't put Guardians in their top 3.

I'm with Katt.  I liked it a LOT.  But it's not in my top 3 either.  There are things about it that serious bugged me.  But it was wildly creative, and funny, and most of it unexpectedly worked REALLY well, and in my scale of ranking things, that gets rewarded despite some flaws. 

I hope that after ENDGAME they release a mega box of Blu Rays with lots of extras, memorabilia, and other cool things, I would buy that

Oh they will. And not buying it will be a tough necessary choice for me.
Kevin Feige has already called the entire set of first 22 films the Infinity Saga.  So you know there will be a set with that logo plastered all over it.

I agree, and I think that's really cool.  ...and it's also something I have no intention whatsoever of buying.  I have every movie up to this point on BR (save the individual phase 1 films, which I have on DVD).  I can't justify re-buying them, unless there is some TRULY insane special content, and a significant amount of it.  IMO, nothing has ever been able to touch the bonus content on the LOTR trilogy films.  To justify me spending whatever an Infinity Saga box set would cost, it would have to be at least that good, and have to be expanded to a commensurate ratio based on the number of films.  I don't see that happening.
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Post by: Dream Team on March 28, 2019, 02:16:07 PM
Get your short shorts on to dance to all that great 70's AOR soundtrack for both movies.

I think I'm one of the very few people who don't put Guardians in their top 3. I just think certain elements were perfect, and other elements were so bad that it dragged the whole thing down pretty far. Maybe I'll feel differently this time. Definitely happened with Iron Man III and stuff.

Guardians is nowhere near my top 3, or top 10 for that matter. It’s just not the flavor of the MCU that I enjoy.
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Post by: Adami on March 28, 2019, 02:56:42 PM
Hmm, maybe it's just all the Youtube people I watch. Almost all of them put it in top 3, many number 1.

I think if the movie had a better villain/plot it would have been in my top 5.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 28, 2019, 03:11:15 PM
IMO, nothing has ever been able to touch the bonus content on the LOTR trilogy films.
Boy, no kidding.

To justify me spending whatever an Infinity Saga box set would cost, it would have to be at least that good, and have to be expanded to a commensurate ratio based on the number of films.  I don't see that happening.
I agree.

BTW, I rank Guardians fairly high, but not top 3.
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Post by: Ninjabait on March 28, 2019, 07:07:53 PM
IMO, nothing has ever been able to touch the bonus content on the LOTR trilogy films.

Absolutely agree. The special features DVDs have such a ridiculous and crazy amount of in-depth special features that explain every aspect of the film making process. I wouldn't be surprised if half the last and current generations of film students were inspired to go into film because of the LotR special features.

Doesn't hurt that there's like 48 hours of special features for the original trilogy or something ridiculous like that. And the Douglas Adams book specifically for the music...
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Post by: jammindude on March 28, 2019, 07:28:26 PM
It's the cast commentary that makes it.   

*IF* you could get a full cast audio commentary for all the features, and a full disc of bonus content for every movie, it could be $500 for 22 movies and I'd pay it. 
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Post by: axeman90210 on March 29, 2019, 09:36:33 AM
I'll probably end up buying whatever they put out. I don't own anything besides I think Iron Man already, so would mostly be new buys, and I bet the packaging will be awesome.

I don't think I'd put Guardians in my top 3 either. I love it to death, and it's probably in the top 5, but not quite top 3.
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Post by: Adami on March 30, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
Continuing my re-watch, Thursday night was Guardians of the Galaxy.


I liked it a lot more this time than before. I've limited my criticisms to a few specific things. But first.

Things I liked
 - Great portrayal of Peter Quill. He's more serious in the comics, but Chris Pratt just crushed his version and I loved every second of it.
 - Groot and Rocket were perfection. For some reason while reading the comics, prior to the movie coming out, I always read Rocket with Jason Statham's voice, but now this is the definitive voice for me. Loved both of them.
 - The plot of them getting together and really anything involving the major guardians was exceptional.
 - I really liked Nebula. Different from the comics (at least at the time) but she really gave it her all and was fantastic.

Things I didn't like
 - The Nova Corps. In the comics they are SUPER elite awesome space cops with insane powers and are feared throughout the galaxy. In this movie, they're kind of dumb local cops. I didn't like the uniforms, I didn't like how they were portrayed, and even though I love me some John C Riley, he was not right for this movie. None of them were, but him especially.
 - Anything involving Ronan and Thanos. Just really bad writing and acting. Sorry to both of them. Luckily Brolan more than made up for it in Infinity War.
 - A decent amount of the acting from Drax and Gamora. Some of it was really good. Some of it was really bad. From Dave Bautista I'm understanding since he wasn’t a real actor at the time, but Zoey Saldana has no excuse.

So yea, over all I really enjoyed it. Just not a great villain or overall plot once they got together.




Tonight is Guardians Volume 2. Followed by Winter Soldier on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on March 30, 2019, 05:01:08 PM
Bummer about the Nova Corps.  I thought Riley and Glenn Close and company were pretty cool, but I'd never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy before the first movie, so I was going in blind and was able to enjoy it all.  It strikes me that that's why I'm able to rank it higher than some.  Any time you change something from the source material, there's a chance that it's not going to go over with everyone.  But for that matter, you could follow the source material to the letter (as far as you can tell) and it still won't work for everyone.  As an origin story for a somewhat lesser-known Marvel team, it's a pretty good movie.
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Post by: Adami on March 30, 2019, 05:05:48 PM
Changes I’m fine with. Every movie has a ton. Changes for the worse I’m not as fine with.
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Post by: Ninjabait on March 30, 2019, 06:15:09 PM
To be fair, I think everything in the MCU got brought down a few power levels. Hulk, The Sovereign, The Grandmaster, Thor, Ultron, etc. are all much weaker in the MCU than in the movies. Even people like Thanos and his kiddos, who are still incredibly powerful, are a bit weaker. The only characters who reach "comic book level" powerful are probably Graviton and maybe Daisy Johnson from AoS and Daredevil in any hallway.

I think it's mainly because the "everyone is probably universe-endingly powerful, even girls who can talk to squirrels" nature of the comic books won't translate well to live action film and television. It grounds the MCU I feel and the Nova Corps being basically mini Captain Marvels would've been a touch much for all the power degrading that went on between mediums.

But yeah, I think maybe they might have gone too far with downgrading the Nova Corps, given that all they've done really is die.
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Post by: Adami on March 30, 2019, 06:16:51 PM
The power part was not really my main point. It’s all good.
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Post by: lonestar on March 30, 2019, 06:33:31 PM
I just got through Ultron on my re-watch, taking a break to do a thorough GoT rehash before I finish the Marvel run. This month is gonna  be epic.
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Post by: faizoff on March 30, 2019, 07:36:37 PM
It looks like Endgame is going to be 3 hours 2 mins long. Dang that's the longest Marvel movie so far, can't friggin wait for it. Less than a month now.
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Post by: Ninjabait on March 30, 2019, 08:15:24 PM
To put that in perspective:

The first two Avengers are both around 2hr 22min
The Last Jedi is 2hr 32min
Avengers: Infinity War is 2hr 40min
The Fellowship of the Ring is 2hr 58min
The Two Towers is 2hr 59min
Avengers: Endgame is 3hr 2min
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug is 3hr 7min
The Return of the King is 3hr 20min
The Fellowship of the Ring (extended) is 3hr 28min
The Two Towers (extended) is 3hr 43min
The Return of the King (extended) is 4hr 11min
Mockingjay Pt 1 + 2 is 4hr 20min
Deathly Hallows Pt 1 + 2 is 4hr 36min

If they ever release an extended edition of Endgame and Infinity War, those could easily be in the 4hr range.
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Post by: Dream Team on March 31, 2019, 04:51:07 PM
I hope they stick to their guns on the run-time, I don’t want any character/relationship scenes cut because they are integral to these characters and the story. MORE is definitely better in this case. Most of the multi-plexes have it on at least 3 screens so they aren’t gonna lose any ticket sales.
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Post by: Adami on March 31, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Continuing my rewatch, last night was Guardians of the Galaxy: Volume 2.

Ehhhhhhhh. I remember really liking it when it came out, but I did not so much this time. Right now I'd put it above Thor 2, but not sure what else.

In some ways, it was like the opposite of the first one for me. For instance.

- The serious moments in the first one fell flat like 90% of the time. But the comedy really worked about 90% of the time.
- In the sequel, the serious moments (as few as we had) worked about 90% of the time, but the comedy fell flat about 90% of the time. "I am famous for my huge turds"? Really Drax?
- The team moments in the first one were the best, but the villain was REALLY lame and weak. In the sequel, the team moments were much more meh, but I really liked Ego up til the end when he went all generic villain on us.
- I disliked much of Gamora in the first one, but she was way better in this one. No real complaints on that end.

So what I liked and didn't like, starting with didn't.

- Humor was really lame much of the time, as I mentioned. Just seemed really out of place. Sometimes it worked, but usually it didn't. I didn't feel this way on the first watch, odd.
- Ending was super lame.
- Drax........god dammit Drax. He has been reduced to, not only, a completely one note character, but failing one at that. He wasn't funny. His character was also a complete idiot the whole movie. I love Dave, but he needs MUCH better material in the 3rd. He doesn't have to be an idiot joke anymore. Dude should be much more intelligent and less silly. His comedy in Infinity War worked much better.
- The gold people were just pointless. I love seeing Ben Browder on the big screen, but give him a better role and get rid of the gold people.
- The god damn exposition from Ego. Horribly done on all levels.

What I liked.

- Rocket and groot were great.
- Yondu kind of stole the movie. The Mary Poppins line still was great and funny. His sacrifice was still touching.
- Loved the Gamora/Nebula stuff. When you watch the two movies back to back (with a few days in between) their stuff doesn't seem so random. Nebula killed it as usual.
- Ego was really great til the end. Kurt Russell being awesome and bringing some much needed charisma to a Marvel bad guy.
- BEN BROWDER!
- Stan Lee cameo
- Mantis. I really liked Mantis. Totally different from the comics, but Pom brought such charm and love to her. When she was being serious with Drax, it was really well done.
- The original Guardians of the Galaxy. Not over done, but well done I'd say. Really liked the nod. Wouldn't mind more of them.


Tuesday is Winter Soldier! Really excited for that. In my top 3.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on March 31, 2019, 09:11:20 PM
I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said, but I'm enjoying your recaps of your rewatch of the series.  I kinda feel like I'm reviewing them in my head as well.  Even though I've seen all of them at least once, some of them I've seen only once, so I don't remember a ton of details, and this is a nice refresher.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 01, 2019, 04:22:43 AM
Winter Soldier is my #1.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lordxizor on April 02, 2019, 06:47:35 AM
It appears Endgame tickets are available for presale. I'm trying to get in with the A-List membership to get tix and their site and app are being incredibly slow.
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Post by: Adami on April 02, 2019, 07:01:10 AM
I got tickets at 7am Central time. For opening night (thursday) it was basically all sold out. Going Friday.

Amazing how quick that was.
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Post by: Lonk on April 02, 2019, 07:12:56 AM
lmao im on a waitlist and is telling me it will be more than an hour wait time for tickets.

Edit: Wait time was for Fandango.com, I purchased tickets directly through the regal website and there was no wait time. Also, AMC website crashed,
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 02, 2019, 07:33:34 AM
jingle.son was up until 12:30am waiting for our local theater to have them available.  IMAX 3D, centre of the theater baby!
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 02, 2019, 07:34:22 AM
TRAILER #3 OMG!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMfuHzeiYW8

I LOVE the part where IM and CA shake hands. I also LOVE that these trailers are not "showing" MUCH.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 02, 2019, 07:36:32 AM
Duuude there are some shots in that new trailer that have me SO hyped for what we're about to see.

My buddy got us IMAX tickets dead center for opening night. I couldn't be happier. Now we play the waiting game.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2019, 07:51:27 AM
jingle.son was up until 12:30am waiting for our local theater to have them available.  IMAX 3D, centre of the theater baby!

That pisses me off. I, like an idiot, read and believed that tickets became available at like 8am. So I didn't even think to check around midnight.

Ah well, I got a good reserved seat on a big screen (and no 3D thankfully). I just have to stay out of this thread Thursday/Friday before the movie and off of google essentially since it'll probably be filled with spoilers immediately.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 02, 2019, 08:00:27 AM
Cool trailer.  Again... bringing a little bit of new stuff to the hype, but not giving away anything huge.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 02, 2019, 08:05:34 AM
 
Cool trailer.  Again... bringing a little bit of new stuff to the hype, but not giving away anything huge.

 :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 02, 2019, 08:17:59 AM
Okay, I was sure from that new trailer there were some time travel shenanigans all but confirmed but on second viewing I was wrong. Then to make myself feel better I went back to the older trailer and watched the brief clip with Brie Larson about 10 times.  :heart  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 02, 2019, 08:20:33 AM
Cool trailer.  Again... bringing a little bit of new stuff to the hype, but not giving away anything huge.

Yes, but was there enough new footage to keep the fan theorist sites busy for the next 3 1/2 weeks?  I'm concerned.

Speaking of dumb theories, I'm kinda glad that this cut of the scene with Thor and CM more clearly showed that it was Stormbreaker and not Mjolnir that he was summoning.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: RuRoRul on April 02, 2019, 08:21:53 AM
Feel as though this trailer actually gave a lot more new or revealing info than the previous released teasers combined. Not a lot but more like the normal amount of information you usually get for a film after early teasers showed very little. But after people have already had a very limited teaser or two for a while the diehards have pieced together a lot already so it doesn't seem as significant to reveal a bit more.

This trailer and the original teaser were very good, enough to get hyped and I wouldn't really want to know any more than that. I think it will be tough to follow Infinity War which actually did live up to the buildup of all the movies before it, hoping this film can pull it off as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 02, 2019, 08:35:17 AM
Cool trailer.  Again... bringing a little bit of new stuff to the hype, but not giving away anything huge.

Yes, but was there enough new footage to keep the fan theorist sites busy for the next 3 1/2 weeks?  I'm concerned.

Speaking of dumb theories, I'm kinda glad that this cut of the scene with Thor and CM more clearly showed that it was Stormbreaker and not Mjolnir that he was summoning.

I think I read that one of the theories out there is that the Avengers are teaming up with Thanos to defeat a greater threat, correct?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: axeman90210 on April 02, 2019, 08:56:45 AM
I'll wait until the week of to get tickets. There's always an initial frenzy when the first showtimes go on sale a few weeks early, but the theaters will quietly add more screenings the Tuesday or Wednesday before opening weekend once their full schedule for the weekend is finalized.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 02, 2019, 09:05:27 AM
Cool trailer.  Again... bringing a little bit of new stuff to the hype, but not giving away anything huge.

Yes, but was there enough new footage to keep the fan theorist sites busy for the next 3 1/2 weeks?  I'm concerned.

Speaking of dumb theories, I'm kinda glad that this cut of the scene with Thor and CM more clearly showed that it was Stormbreaker and not Mjolnir that he was summoning.

I think I read that one of the theories out there is that the Avengers are teaming up with Thanos to defeat a greater threat, correct?

Well, there are TONS of theories out there.  But, yeah, I've seen that one.  And something like that wouldn't surprise me, although I think "team up" might not be the best way to describe it.  I could envision something more along the lines of something or some other threat happening that makes Thanos and the Avengers reluctantly pursuing the same outcome rather than fighting against one another. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: faizoff on April 02, 2019, 09:07:27 AM
I'm unable to buy tickets for any show on opening day, the AMC site fails at every stage.
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Post by: faizoff on April 02, 2019, 10:03:22 AM
AMC's site was a waste of time and effort. I bought from Fandango for another Theater and that worked.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 02, 2019, 10:58:01 AM
I haven't been able to get tockets either, in fact the local cinemas are posting updates on their social media channels, that they've had more request access to their sites than ever before, more than 19K request per seconds, causing their sites to crush
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 02, 2019, 11:27:23 AM
jingle.son tells me Cineplex (our version of AMC) site has also been down much of the day.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 03, 2019, 04:51:10 PM
Looks like we'll be seeing it Saturday of opening weekend. 

I was not planning on that.  We're really busy that weekend, and I also don't want to deal with a jam-packed theater.  My oldest son (16) REALLY wants to see it opening weekend because (1) it's Endgame, and (2) spoilers will abound, and he really doesn't want such a hugely anticipated movie spoiled.  I dunno.  I kind of had mixed feelings about it.  I want to see it--don't get me wrong.  But given all the other stuff going on, I kind of felt like just saying, "Look, we can easily get spoiled trying to see EVERYTHING on opening weekend, and I just don't want to run ourselves ragged having our schedules being dictated by Hollywood.  We have enough going on, and we're just going to wait."  But on the flip-side, we don't do this every time, and there is enough of a window in the schedule to make it work, so...I gave in and chose not to stand on principle just to make a point that doesn't necessarily need to be made right now.  The theater  closest to our house has reserved seating AND I have a $75 gift card, so we drove there and got our tickets and seats for Saturday night.  Looking forward to it.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 03, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
Hell yeah bosk. That's really cool of you.  :metal

I'm seeing it with my best friend who's also a huge Marvel buff. Last year he got me a shirt with the Infinity Gauntlet cover on it so I might wear that to the show. We haven't seen every Marvel film together but we've seen every Iron Man and Avengers movie together in theaters and a couple of the recent ones like Spidey. We're constantly in awe of the MCU and how we didn't see any of this coming when we were juniors in high school heading off to see Iron Man. As cheesy as it sounds, Endgame already means a lot to me. It's gonna wreck me.
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Post by: Adami on April 03, 2019, 05:05:41 PM
Reserved seating is the way to go. I would NOT want to chance my seats for this film.


Also continuing my rewatch, last night was Winter Soldier. God...I....Love....This....Movie.

I remember watching this movie for the first time in theaters. As soon as Cap got on that boat in the beginning and began kicking people 10 feet, I was like....woah. This is different. This is a new face for Marvel. I was so captivated by the visceral, blunt feeling to this movie. It felt like it found that perfect balance between comic book movie and a gritty movie based in realism.

This movie was just such an amazing change of pace. First Marvel film by the Russo's, and the first combination of Russo's and Markus and McFeely. Clearly that team worked for a good reason. They brought everything they had to this movie. And this movie led to that team taking over the Avengers franchise and completely killing it (no pun). So here's what I loved and some problems I had.

Loved:

- Directing: Just such a new approach. The way they shot action was just stunning. The performances they got out of everyone was incredible.
- The pacing: This team knows pacing like it's no one's business. This movie, plus Civil War and Infinity War, they are all perfectly paced. No bloat. No dragging. No Rushing. Every minute is well spent. Which is why I'm excited for a 3 hour movie. These guys make every minute count perfectly.
- Winter Soldier was just so well done as a character. Sebastian Stan played him perfectly.
- The plot of Shield being corrupted after all of this time and having to, and succeeding in changing the status quo and eliminating Shield. Also the social and political commentary was really well done.
- Finding a new way to make Steve Rogers a beacon of morality in a new and interesting context.
- Just about all of the rest of it.

Problems I had (not many)

- Arnim Zola's character seemed......wasted.
- Also they DEFINITELY took an elevator to where they met with Zola and yet after the bomb hit, they're basically right at ground level.
- The most weird plot hole I only recognized because I was a locksmith, but the key in the scene in 1943 or whatever when Bucky hands Steve the key is a Kwikset, which wasn't invented until 1946.


Brilliant movie. Age of Ultron is tomorrow.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 03, 2019, 05:09:14 PM
As cheesy as it sounds, Endgame already means a lot to me. It's gonna wreck me.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  This may be one where we even see it twice in theater.  In fact, I think we might HAVE TO because my wife and daughter are going to be off on a field trip 3 hours or so away and probably won't be back in time (it's all good!--the wife said to go ahead and see it).  But I think we'll hit a matinee at the cheaper theater across town maybe week 3 after release or something for the repeat.

Reserved seating is the way to go. I would NOT want to chance my seats for this film.

Yeah, same.  And I told him before we went to the theater box office that if they only had the first 5 rows left for any show times, we were just going to wait, because that is a miserable experience.  Luckily, we got pretty good seats. 

Age of Ultron is tomorrow.

I know a lot of people felt let down by that one, but I loved it. 
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 04, 2019, 10:34:50 AM
As cheesy as it sounds, Endgame already means a lot to me. It's gonna wreck me.

SAME. Honestly, this is a movie I've been waiting years for. It seems like it's one of those events that comes around only once a lifetime. I don't think I've been this excited for a movie (not including IW) since Return of the King came out in theaters. I predict I'm gonna weep like a baby.

On a related note, I bought my ticket to see it opening Saturday, using up the last bit of my gift card.
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Post by: Adami on April 04, 2019, 10:39:35 AM
The Russo's have also indicated that Endgame may be the final Stan Lee cameo. I don't know if it's been confirmed if he filmed one for Far From Home or not.

I dunno how his last cameo is going to hit me. I teared up at his Captain Marvel one.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 04, 2019, 10:51:45 AM
No, I remember reading several times that Feige has said there is one in Far From Home.  After that, not sure.  I don't know if there are any on the cutting room floor that can be repurposed for any future films.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 04, 2019, 01:45:14 PM
They can always CGI him on future movies, but it’ll never be the same without real Stan  :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 04, 2019, 01:57:08 PM
They can always CGI him on future movies,

Oh HELL no.

Honestly, that one act might sour any future MCU movies for me. Luckily I doubt they're considering it.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 04, 2019, 02:41:44 PM
I have my ticket to Endgame and we have one more movie (Ant-Man and the Wasp) to watch before I post my rankings. The only thing that could make End Game better is if they have the new Star Wars trailer attached.  :metal
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 04, 2019, 03:42:14 PM
I have my ticket to Endgame and we have one more movie (Ant-Man and the Wasp) to watch before I post my rankings. The only thing that could make End Game better is if they have the new Star Wars trailer attached.  :metal

One of the end scenes is important to Endgame.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 04, 2019, 05:34:44 PM
They can always CGI him on future movies,

Oh HELL no.

Honestly, that one act might sour any future MCU movies for me. Luckily I doubt they're considering it.

I think a nicer way (and credit to reddit for this) to go about doing this would be to have pictures of him hidden away in the background, which is what the Netflix shows were doing. Make it an easter egg thing like the Pixar A113/future movie references
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Post by: gzarruk on April 04, 2019, 07:16:51 PM
They can always CGI him on future movies,

Oh HELL no.

Honestly, that one act might sour any future MCU movies for me. Luckily I doubt they're considering it.

I think a nicer way (and credit to reddit for this) to go about doing this would be to have pictures of him hidden away in the background, which is what the Netflix shows were doing. Make it an easter egg thing like the Pixar A113/future movie references

That'd be cool!
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Post by: jammindude on April 04, 2019, 07:49:06 PM
Or like someone is in a house or apartment watching TV, and an archived interview is on one of the channels.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 05, 2019, 06:31:24 AM
Something subtle like those things would be ok.  But dear lord... please no Dio-like hologram recreations or CGI.
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Post by: Adami on April 05, 2019, 07:02:38 AM
Something subtle like those things would be ok.  But dear lord... please no Dio-like hologram recreations or CGI.

I take it back. Give me a CGI Stan Lee giving a full blown Holy Diver performance and I'm back in.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 05, 2019, 07:07:45 AM
Make him the security guard in court of The Living Tribunal, and I'd overlook it being CGI.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/S8LWP0CotPAQw/giphy.gif)

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Post by: Adami on April 05, 2019, 07:12:06 AM
I just realized the best potential Stan Lee cameo that will never be.

The One Above All.  :'(
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Post by: The Walrus on April 05, 2019, 07:58:01 AM
I just realized the best potential Stan Lee cameo that will never be.

The One Above All.  :'(

Dude.  :eek
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 05, 2019, 08:08:37 AM
I just realized the best potential Stan Lee cameo that will never be.

The One Above All.  :'(

True dat.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 05, 2019, 10:18:18 AM
Best we could do was for Tuesday the 30th.  Man, that's going to be a long weekend.

Looking forward to seeing Ant-Man save the day!  #Thanus
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 05, 2019, 02:30:32 PM
Speaking of #Thanus... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtnts6i2UI)
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Post by: Adami on April 05, 2019, 05:35:07 PM
So continuing my rewatch, last night was Age of Ultron.

Man....I have never been so conflicted on a Marvel movie. It had some REALLY great stuff, but also some REALLY bad stuff. I liked it much more on the first watch than this one. I still enjoyed it, but the flaws were more annoying. I say annoying because they seemed easily avoidable. However, the mistakes of the movie also seem to be a point of course correction with Marvel in general.

What I liked.

- Really, any scene where they just slow down and talk. This is something missing in other Marvel movies. The party scene at the beginning is just great. Them being relaxed people just hanging out was really cool. Hope we get more of those moments from time to time.
- On that note, trying to lift Mjolnir was just classic. Loved how Rogers was able to budge it.
- The whole farm scene was great. Again, character moments is where Joss shines.
- The portrayal of Ultron. I know I'm in a minority here, but aside from his dumb plan, I think his overall portrayal was really good. Different, original. Could have easily been a generic evil villain, but they gave him such an odd and quirky personality that Spader crushed. I liked him.
- Hawkeye. Bout damn time.
- Even though I think the ending as a plot is REALLY dumb, the action and how it all went down was really well done. The focus on protecting people instead of JUST punching things. It's a breath of fresh air.
- Klaue. Serkis just is fantastic as this character. I understand why he had to be killed off in Black Panther, but I wish he hadn't. He's just such a fun character. I would love to see more of him. Ah well.
- Vision. Fantastic portrayal. Paul really did a great job with him, and him casually lifting Mjolnir was a great moment.

What I didn't like.

- The opening scene. It really looked like a video game. It was sloppy and just not all that great.
- The entire ending plot of Ultron trying to blow up the world or whatever. Just stupid.
- Thor's stuff. It's so unfortunate. They clearly had a specific idea for Ragnorak at this point but then abandoned it for the actual movie. So it doesn't make a ton of sense any more. Honestly, all of his "vision" stuff could have been cut out and the movie would have been better.
- Those accents from Olson and whatever his name is. Not very good.
- The fact that this movie has major pacing problems. It felt like Joss had a movie in mind, and Marvel had another movie in mind and they just mashed them together. It's a real mess in a lot of ways. It feels REALLY rushed and almost never gets a chance to breathe. Wish they could have just made Joss' version and not worry about all the crap they had him throw in.

Honestly, this movie would have greatly benefited from Joss having a partner. Dude wrote and directed two avengers movies...ALONE. That's insane. Get a partner to help with the heavy lifting. A writing partner specifically.

Ah well. Over all. It had amazing moments and some really blah moments. Not as bad as everyone seems to say, but not great.

Tomorrow night is Ant-Man!
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Post by: The Walrus on April 05, 2019, 05:39:47 PM
I agree with pretty much everything you said, Adami. Age of Ultron is a conflicting film for me. Lots of good, lots of bad. I do love James Spader's performance as Ultron (or I guess just his voice, it rules).
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Post by: Zook on April 05, 2019, 06:47:34 PM
The only thing I didn't like about AOU was everyone thought they were a comedian.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 05, 2019, 07:20:55 PM
Honestly, I think the farm scene is one of my all time favorite MCU scenes, up with the "I beat you" speech from Daredevil
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Post by: gzarruk on April 05, 2019, 09:31:24 PM
Something else that was really dumb in AOU was how Quicksilver died. I get that he had to die for plot reasons (even though killing Hawkeve would've been a much more emotional moment), but how he died was really really dumb. You're telling me the fastest guy in the MCU can't dodge bullets? No way. Also, the character had great potential and they just killed him right after he sided with the good guys, such a waste of a very good character imo.

Other than that, I remember liking the movie a lot, although Ultron's motive was ultimately kind of generic villain-esque.
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Post by: jammindude on April 05, 2019, 10:02:26 PM
Something else that was really dumb in AOU was how Quicksilver died. I get that he had to die for plot reasons (even though killing Hawkeve would've been a much more emotional moment), but how he died was really really dumb. You're telling me the fastest guy in the MCU can't dodge bullets? No way. Also, the character had great potential and they just killed him right after he sided with the good guys, such a waste of a very good character imo.

Other than that, I remember liking the movie a lot, although Ultron's motive was ultimately kind of generic villain-esque.

I might have to watch it again but....didn't he *jump in front of the bullets* (you know, sacrifice himself?) to protect someone else?   Because what you're implying here is not the way I remember it at all.     You could be capable of dodging bullets and still take one for someone else.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 05, 2019, 10:33:31 PM
Something else that was really dumb in AOU was how Quicksilver died. I get that he had to die for plot reasons (even though killing Hawkeve would've been a much more emotional moment), but how he died was really really dumb. You're telling me the fastest guy in the MCU can't dodge bullets? No way. Also, the character had great potential and they just killed him right after he sided with the good guys, such a waste of a very good character imo.

Other than that, I remember liking the movie a lot, although Ultron's motive was ultimately kind of generic villain-esque.

I might have to watch it again but....didn't he *jump in front of the bullets* (you know, sacrifice himself?) to protect someone else?   Because what you're implying here is not the way I remember it at all.     You could be capable of dodging bullets and still take one for someone else.

I haven’t seen the movie in ages, but if it happened the way I remember it, then he could’ve easily avoided them by going a bit faster. Again, I get why they did it, I just don’t like how they did it.
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Post by: jammindude on April 05, 2019, 11:24:38 PM
Something else that was really dumb in AOU was how Quicksilver died. I get that he had to die for plot reasons (even though killing Hawkeve would've been a much more emotional moment), but how he died was really really dumb. You're telling me the fastest guy in the MCU can't dodge bullets? No way. Also, the character had great potential and they just killed him right after he sided with the good guys, such a waste of a very good character imo.

Other than that, I remember liking the movie a lot, although Ultron's motive was ultimately kind of generic villain-esque.


I might have to watch it again but....didn't he *jump in front of the bullets* (you know, sacrifice himself?) to protect someone else?   Because what you're implying here is not the way I remember it at all.     You could be capable of dodging bullets and still take one for someone else.

I haven’t seen the movie in ages, but if it happened the way I remember it, then he could’ve easily avoided them by going a bit faster. Again, I get why they did it, I just don’t like how they did it.

But that's what I'm saying.   If he would have avoided them, they would have gone into someone else.  He took the bullets *on purpose*.  I thought that was the entire point.  To "avoid them" would have meant sacrificing someone else.  By taking them himself, he sacrificed himself to save someone else.   
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 06, 2019, 04:04:39 PM
Since we were talking about deluxe MCU boxsets, looks like they already exist. They have ones for Phase 1, Phase 2, and one (soon to be two) for Phase 3. The three that are out would be $210 for DVD, and they do come with special features. It'd probably be about $270 to get all of them.
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Post by: faizoff on April 06, 2019, 07:29:45 PM
I have all the blurays of the MCU apart from the two Ant-man movies. Only reason I don't have it is because I've been unable to find it for around $5-7 which is my usual price of purchase of all movies.

I did see the MCU phase 1 & 2 boxsets have an extra disc of some bonus material but the high price isn't enough to push me to get that instead of them individually.
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Post by: Adami on April 07, 2019, 04:38:47 PM
So continuing my rewatch, last night was Ant-Man.

You know.....this a flawed, but good movie! When this movie was announced, and the process by which it was announced, made me very nervous. Like most people, when they first announced Ant-Man, I assumed it was going to be about Hank Pym and Janet. So when they announced that Paul Rudd was playing Scott Lang, I was confused but intrigued. I really love Scott Lang in the comics and I am a HUGE Paul Rudd fan. And I thought it was surprisingly inspired casting. Then Michael Douglas is playing Hank Pym. That was different. So Hank isn't the same age as the rest anymore. Hank isn't an Avenger (despite being a founding member in the comics, as well as the creator of Ultron). But sure. I like Michael Douglas. Then they said Rashida Jones was in talks and I was losing hope. I like Rashida Jones, but it was sounding too much like a Judd Apatow film with the casting. Luckily Kate from Lost was cast and I was like, okay, let's see where this goes.

So this movie is good. It has problems, that I'll discuss below, but it has VERY inspired visuals, a good story, great characters, and just an overall well written script (minus the problems I hinted at). I think the biggest problems the movie faced were based around its role in the MCU. The movie, and it's sequel if I'm remembering correctly, were both released right after an Avengers film. This after Ultron, and the sequel after Infinity War. People were high for the big team up moments. They wanted to see how all the stores affected The Avengers. But then you get an Ant-Man movie, and it largely is unrelated. So people, not all of us, but plenty, just weren't looking for that right then and there. I'd say the releases were too close. Give it 6-8 months. Give people a breather. Another problem is that by this time, Marvel movies were making HUGE money. Ant-Man isn't supposed to be like that. No one at Marvel expected Ant-Man to be a billion dollar movie. It's just a different target. But people, in general, don't get that and thought of Ant-Man as a flop because it didn't make all the money.

Anywho, things I liked and a surprisingly small list of things I didn't.

Liked
- Paul Rudd. In any movie. Ever. His charm and charisma is through the roof. I just love the man. Also dude doesn't freaking age.
- It's a heist film. Different for Marvel. I thought it was a neat story.
- The visuals were really creative and amazingly well done. Haven't seen that kind of stuff before in a super hero movie ever.
- The supporting cast are all fantastic, with Louis as an obvious stand-out.
- The final battle scene was a great mix of typical 3rd act hero movie stuff, and subverting expectations. Like when Yellowjacket is about to be hit by the Thomas the Train and is ready to die then it zooms out to the little toy falling off the track. All of those moments were just really fantastic and creative.
- Ant-Man vs. Falcon. Neat little fight. No real purpose, but it was a nice link that at least FELT a little natural and was fun to watch.

Didn't like
- Disappointed with Darren Cross. You had a lot of potential there about a good person who REALLY wanted to be acknowledged and respected by Hank, and a mixture of that craziness and the craziness of the tech drove him past the edge. Instead, you had a little bit of that, but also mainly just a bad guy with no real sense of morals. If they had made him a relatable person who was just trying really hard and went too far, that would have been a lot better. But overall, the actor brought some personality to it.
- Way too much exposition. Michael Douglas acknowledged that too. Just too much of people explaining stuff, even stuff we didn't need to hear to understand. Show, don't tell.

But yea, I really liked it.

Tonight is Dr. Strange. Not sure it's 100% the correct film for in-universe timeline, but it works well enough. Especially since Black Panther and Spidey follow Civil War too closely for me to put it in there, and he needs to be Sorcerer Supreme for a little while before he's believable in Infinity War or even Ragnarok, so I can't put it right before Thor. Ah well. Close enough.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 08, 2019, 07:47:14 AM
After many months we finished our run through of the MCU films. While there are some not great films, there really are no stinkers. Here is my current rankings prior to End Game!

Tier 1
Avengers: Infinity War
Captain America: Civil War
The Avengers
Iron Man
Gaurdians of the Galaxy Vol 1.
Avengers Age of Ultron
Captain Marvel
Black Panther
Thor: Ragnarok
Tier 2
Iron Man 2
Spider Man: Homecoming
Gaurdians of the Galaxy Vol 2.
Ant-Man
Iron Man 3
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Dr. Strange
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Tier 3
Captain America: The First Avenger
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 08, 2019, 07:02:54 PM
Continuing my rewatch (which is getting a little condensed due to a training coming up causing me to miss 6 days of watching)..last night was Doctor Strange.

This was a....frustrating movie. It felt like a half baked idea. Actually, it felt like they came up with the big crazy scenes, because it takes so long to work out the FX for those, and just wrote the movie around them later. I think Benedict Cumberbatch was a good choice and did a good job, but I feel like the script and the directing were just on two different pages. Which is weird since the director is also one of the writers. But Scott Derrickson is a horror movie director, and I think when they tried to go in that direction, it worked really well. However, a good amount of the movie is trying to be a generic Marvel phase 1 movie with quips and fun, and that just kind of doesn't mesh with the super trippy/slightly horror/mind expanding elements of the movie. Also the time of the movie is super confusing. The beginning of the movie is in 2016 and the rest of the movie takes place over a few months. If they had began the movie in say 2012 or 2013, then ended it in 2016, that would have made more sense. Have crazy Avengers stuff in the background so we can see time passing. That said, here are my likes/didn't likes. Sadly, more dislikes than likes.

Liked
- The casting. Script aside and character development aside, I thought this was a great cast.
- In that, a special shout out to Tilda. I know a lot of people lost it when they read The Ancient One was going to be a British woman instead of an Asian man, but I thought it was smart. If it had been an Asian man, it would have been a pretty bad racial stereotype that it was in the comics. This was a nice switch, even acknowledging it when Stephen thinks the random old Asian guy is The Ancient One. She brought such gravitas and charm to the role. Her facial expression at the end when she's facing her own demise was fantastic. It was this great mix of wonder and acceptance.
- The magic. God damn this movie went for it and knocked it out of the ball park in that department. It is SO complex and confusing, but you can tell that the director never lost sight of what was happening. It all came together and was just mind blowing. All of it.
- The ending. It was a fantastic subversion. You go in expecting the traditional 3rd act huge CGI fight slug fest with explosions and stuff. Instead you get a short fight with time going in reverse around them and then a lengthy bargaining scene. I thought it as super inventive.

Didn't like.
- The movie needed a different beginning structure. It just goes SO quickly from douche bag doctor to hands broken in wherever. I think the movie could have started with him already in training or him looking for the place in Nepal. Have the rest done through flashbacks at random times if necessary. But it felt like the first act of this movie was in a hurry to get to the next part. If you're rushing to get to point B, then just start at point B.
- Awful villain. I like Mads a lot, and he's just totally wasted here. His motivation is paper thin. His character is barely 2 dimensional. His minions are completely random. You could have replaced the actors in every scene, hell every cut, and no one would have noticed anything. Sad.
- Mordo's change was forced. Great character til the end. They just didn't give him enough depth to justify his actions. They just kind of say stuff about him and then we have to accept it. They just tell us he's black and white and rigid but no idea why or anything. Then he suddenly wants to get rid of all the wizards? Eh. The idea of feeling betrayed because you put your savior on a pedestal and then they turned out to be flawed is good (if a bit cliche) but he needed more to work with here.
- The clashing tone, as I said earlier. It's like Marvel decided all of their movies need 200 jokes. The Mister Doctor whatever scene with Mads and Benedict was just bad writing. Strange is NOT a funny quippy guy. He's a pretty serious character that gets annoyed at everyone else' quips. Dude doesn't need to be making Beyonce jokes and trying to make Wong laugh. Just not the right character for it.
- Should have just been a more straight forward horror/sci fi (ish) film. Go into all the magic and make it crazy and scary. Doesn't have to be as light as it was. Would  have been a cool contrast to the generally light tone of the other Marvel movies.
- Lastly, and this one REALLY bothered me...............the score. THE GOD DAMN THEME IS ALMOST NOTE FOR NOTE THE SAME FROM STAR TREK 2009! Same composer. I hate this guy so much. Stop giving him work! Sorry.

Anywho. It's not a bad movie, by any stretch, but its flaws are very noticable and drag it down a whole lot. Hoping the sequel fixes a lot of those.

Tomorrow is Civil War! WOOO!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 08, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
Also the time of the movie is super confusing. The beginning of the movie is in 2016 and the rest of the movie takes place over a few months. If they had began the movie in say 2012 or 2013, then ended it in 2016, that would have made more sense. Have crazy Avengers stuff in the background so we can see time passing. That said, here are my likes/didn't likes.

YES!  This is EXACTYLY where this movie went wrong.

Liked
- The casting. Script aside and character development aside, I thought this was a great cast.
- In that, a special shout out to Tilda. I know a lot of people lost it when they read The Ancient One was going to be a British woman instead of an Asian man, but I thought it was smart. If it had been an Asian man, it would have been a pretty bad racial stereotype that it was in the comics. This was a nice switch, even acknowledging it when Stephen thinks the random old Asian guy is The Ancient One. She brought such gravitas and charm to the role. Her facial expression at the end when she's facing her own demise was fantastic. It was this great mix of wonder and acceptance.
- The magic. God damn this movie went for it and knocked it out of the ball park in that department. It is SO complex and confusing, but you can tell that the director never lost sight of what was happening. It all came together and was just mind blowing. All of it.
- The ending. It was a fantastic subversion. You go in expecting the traditional 3rd act huge CGI fight slug fest with explosions and stuff. Instead you get a short fight with time going in reverse around them and then a lengthy bargaining scene. I thought it as super inventive.

YES AGAIN!

Didn't like. ...
[random bunch of silly criticisms]

:|  Just...no.  None of that is even in the same zip code as "spot on."  Just no, no, no, no, NO.  The ONLY valid criticism is the one in the first quote, which you absolutely nailed.  Other than that, you are just wrong.  Like, as in, Stadler in P/R wrong.  Well, actually, no.  That isn't strong enough, because Stadler makes as many good points in P/R as bad ones.  You are as wrong as...um...Stadler talking about Mike Portnoy wrong.  So there.  Take that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2019, 06:13:51 AM
All of those are perfectly valid, and if you don't hear the score problem, you have ears like Samsara.


Also, in the news, Kevin Fiege said that it'll be a "very long time" til the X-Men show up in the MCU. I think that's smart. I just hope it's not that long before FF characters show up. Not necessarily the team themselves, but just anyone from their comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on April 09, 2019, 07:00:03 AM
Unrelated to the above discussion, but after watching Ragnarok and Infinity War recently: just how small a population did Asgard have? They all fit on a not-very-large ship, and yes I realize Hela slaughtered quite a few but seriously the population appears to be less than one Midgard city.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 09, 2019, 07:20:39 AM
I agree with pretty much all of... bosk's response to Adami, hahaha. I really like Doctor Strange, it has its problems, and I totally agree about the villain sucking eggs and Mads being wasted, but otherwise I don't have many gripes. I guess it is "Iron Man but with magic" in terms of structure and pacing however the magic really is amazing and I regret not seeing it in theaters. Tilda was excellent in her role, I agree.

I have no problem with the score though 'cause I don't like Star Trek.  :loser:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Orbert on April 09, 2019, 07:34:04 AM
I agree with most of Adami's gripes.  I got what they were after with the transformation from arrogant asshole doctor to the crushing blow (!) but it still felt oddly paced. Either somehow spend more time with it, or cut it and do it through flashbacks as suggested.  The in-between approach was okay but could definitely have been better or smoother or something.

Ditto Mads Mikkelsen.  I don't actually like the guy (he'll always be the dude with the drippy eye from Casino Royale to me) but okay if he's gonna be the bad guy, make him the freakin' bad guy.  He seemed to have some game and was quite confident about it, so maybe he shouldn't be messed with because you could be underestimating him, but he never felt outright threatening or scary to me, not really a serious danger.  Just a plot point.

The uneven tone and overall weird pacing of the film kinda worked for me because I was completely unfamiliar with the character and how he fits into the MCU (if at all?), and his world had just been turned upside-down and he was on a journey with no idea WTF he was doing, so things feeling just a bit "off" seemed appropriate.  But I can see why it didn't work for everyone.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 09, 2019, 07:36:39 AM
All of those are perfectly valid, and if you don't hear the score problem, you have ears like Samsara.

I don't hear it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one because I haven't really paid attention to that.

Also, in the news, Kevin Fiege said that it'll be a "very long time" til the X-Men show up in the MCU. I think that's smart. I just hope it's not that long before FF characters show up. Not necessarily the team themselves, but just anyone from their comics.

Yeah, I think it's smart not to rush the X-Men coming in as well.  Kinda gets to that reboot confusion issue that I mentioned in the Joker thread.  We just don't need more X-Men right now.  And given everything that's going on in the MCU, their existence, hitherto a secret, would be jarring.  They need to take their time and figure out how to work in a good story that weaves into the fabric of the MCU in a satisfying way.

Unrelated to the above discussion, but after watching Ragnarok and Infinity War recently: just how small a population did Asgard have? They all fit on a not-very-large ship, and yes I realize Hela slaughtered quite a few but seriously the population appears to be less than one Midgard city.

That has been my major gripe with Ragnarok from day 1.  The scale of Asgard was just way, way off.  Or at least, it felt way off.  The movie was pretty good overall, but I think they mishandled that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2019, 07:41:10 AM
Regading Asgard, yea it seemed way off. My best explanation was that like 90% of Asgard were their military (for lack of a better word) and Hela wiped them ALL out, so you're only left with the civilian population, which I assumed was always very small.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on April 09, 2019, 11:07:47 AM
It makes Thor's quote in Infinity War "he slaughtered half my people" seem REALLY overdone.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Grappler on April 09, 2019, 11:09:50 AM
It makes Thor's quote in Infinity War "he slaughtered half my people" seem REALLY overdone.

Not really, because that's Thanos' M.O.  At the beginning of Infinity War when he departs Thor's ship, Thanos himself says that he left half of his [Thor's] people alive.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Dream Team on April 09, 2019, 12:49:45 PM
It makes Thor's quote in Infinity War "he slaughtered half my people" seem REALLY overdone.

Not really, because that's Thanos' M.O.  At the beginning of Infinity War when he departs Thor's ship, Thanos himself says that he left half of his [Thor's] people alive.

I was referring to the fact that it sounds like it should be millions of people but is in fact a few hundred. And where were these supposed survivors? The ship was blown up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on April 09, 2019, 02:22:11 PM
Bit behind the times as I realise everyone is doing pregame re-watches, but I finally saw Captain Marvel. Loved it. Loved her.

It wasn't perfect of course, none of the films are, and it's not one of my favourites but I do consider in the top tier as a lot of the recent films have been. Absolute ton of warmth and heart and humour.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 09, 2019, 02:32:02 PM
I found it interesting to learn in the last couple of days that Brie Larson's first time filming as Captain Marvel was in fact her stuff for Endgame, not her solo film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on April 09, 2019, 02:42:18 PM
Didn't know that. Makes sense though given a lot (most? all?) of Endgame was filmed alongside Infinity War. And not entirely unique as obviously Tom Holland and Chadwick Boseman filmed (and appeared) in collaborative films first.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 09, 2019, 03:38:24 PM
So far, I've been pretty aligned with virtually all of Adami's commentary.  The score isn't an issue for me - for the musicians in the group, you guys will notice stuff like that moreso than the average Joe.  I also think your (valid) beef about Dr. Strange's characterization (the comedic side) is tainted by your in depth knowledge of the comic version of Stephen Strange - wise, reserved, and stoic.  It was fine in the movie, and added a bit of charm - but I can see why hardcore comic fans would be put off by it.

I only have time to re-watch a few more of the movies, and gonna commit to AOU, Civil War, Ragnarok, and Infinity War.  Wondering if I should try to jam in Winter Soldier first, as the trailer clips hint at that version of Cap's suit.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 10, 2019, 07:17:17 AM
My thoughts are that it's never a bad idea to watch Winter Soldier, since it's one of the 4 or 5 best MCU films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 10, 2019, 07:23:06 AM
My thoughts are that it's never a bad idea to watch Winter Soldier, since it's one of the 4 or 5 best MCU films.

It's my #1 in the MCU.  It has a fantastic mix of old school action blended with the modern CGI.  The Storyline is fantastic and the acting was a well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 11, 2019, 05:39:31 AM
My thoughts are that it's never a bad idea to watch Winter Soldier, since it's one of the 4 or 5 best MCU films.

I concur... it's just a matter of having enough time.  jingle.son is still at school until Good Friday, and with the move and hockey playoffs, disposable time is at a premium.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 11, 2019, 06:57:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdqzYWTz7do

  :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 11, 2019, 08:43:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdqzYWTz7do

  :metal

Trying to avoid spoilers. Can you say what that is?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on April 11, 2019, 09:42:39 PM
30 second Spanish language trailer, only 30 seconds, nothing really new other than a touch of action I haven't seen yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2019, 07:35:25 AM
Disney + to launch November 12, 2019 for $6.99/month or $69.99 annually.

It will include Marvel shows WandaVision (about, well, Wanda and the Vision), Loki, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and Hawkeye, with all original actors reprising their roles.  Interestingly, Hawkeye will feature Clint Barton passing the torch to Kate Bishop.

Also, animated show What If? which could be friggin' awesome, and a documentary series with a working title of Marvel's 616, along with a show called Marvel's Hero Project, about young people making differences in their communities.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 12, 2019, 07:42:25 AM
$6.99? Dude, they are coming out of the gates swinging. And with that lineup it's a no-brainer. I'm excited for this.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 07:54:57 AM
$6.99? Dude, they are coming out of the gates swinging. And with that lineup it's a no-brainer. I'm excited for this.

They'll get everyone signed up and 'hooked' then bump up the cost after a year or two.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2019, 08:03:20 AM
I don't think any of those shows will be available day one, although a couple of them will be in the first year.

Per Kevin Feige, at least 12 of the MCU films will be available on day one:

Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Thor: Ragnarok
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Black Panther
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man & the Wasp
Captain Marvel
Avengers: Endgame

Which doesn't even count all of the Lucasfilm content (films and shows) and Disney and Pixar content, and even some stuff from Fox right off the bat, including the first 30 seasons of The Simpsons, and National Geographic's collection of documentaries and specials, and family-friendly Fox shows and films like Malcolm in the Middle and Bend It Like Beckham.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 12, 2019, 08:07:27 AM
That's a pretty good launch lineup!

$6.99? Dude, they are coming out of the gates swinging. And with that lineup it's a no-brainer. I'm excited for this.

They'll get everyone signed up and 'hooked' then bump up the cost after a year or two.

Y'know, I'd actually be okay with that even if they bump it up several dollars (up to like, say, 11 or 12 dollars/mo), only because the amount of stuff I want to watch is pretty large. I hate signing up for Netflix just to watch Stranger Things, and it's twice the cost of this service, basically paying a movie ticket to watch ST and then cancel  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 12, 2019, 08:08:47 AM
That's a pretty good launch lineup!

$6.99? Dude, they are coming out of the gates swinging. And with that lineup it's a no-brainer. I'm excited for this.

They'll get everyone signed up and 'hooked' then bump up the cost after a year or two.

Y'know, I'd actually be okay with that even if they bump it up several dollars (up to like, say, 11 or 12 dollars/mo), only because the amount of stuff I want to watch is pretty large. I hate signing up for Netflix just to watch Stranger Things, and it's twice the cost of this service, basically paying a movie ticket to watch ST and then cancel  :lol

Oh dude....this service will be a hit in the GMD household. I'll get every penny's worth out of it. I'd pay $12-15 a month for it....which is probably where it'll end up at eventually.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 12, 2019, 08:12:09 AM
Hah! Same here, and I live by myself!  :lol

I'm really interested to see what happens to Netflix and other streaming services. I didn't even think about it until last night, but yesterday morning I cancelled my Netflix subscription because I forgot to do so before my card got charged again. I wonder how many other people cancelled because of the Disney news  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 12, 2019, 08:14:47 AM
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 12, 2019, 08:25:42 AM
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?

As far as I know, those stay on Netflix. No new ones, but old ones won’t move.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on April 12, 2019, 08:32:08 AM
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?

As far as I know, those stay on Netflix. No new ones, but old ones won’t move.

This, and if they want to develop new content with the characters, they have to wait at least two years.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 12, 2019, 08:39:11 AM
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?

Apparently Netflix (per contract) retains those marvel shows for 2 years, and nothing can be done with the character until the 2 years have passed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 12, 2019, 12:10:42 PM
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?

As far as I know, those stay on Netflix. No new ones, but old ones won’t move.

This, and if they want to develop new content with the characters, they have to wait at least two years.
That's it.  Marvel could pick them up to produce new episodes for Disney +, but there is a two year waiting period in the Netfilx contract.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 16, 2019, 05:06:39 PM
So, was out of town for several days for a training, back now!

Continuing with my rewatch, last week was Captain America: Civil War.

God damn this movie is good. 

So here's a little back story for my relationship with this movie. Now, as you guys probably know, I'm a big Marvel comics guy. I have gone into all of these movies knowing that they will be very different from their comic book counterparts, and unless it was made MUCH worse, I was always open to that. This was tested to the strongest degree when I saw that they announced that they planned on adopting Civil War. Not sure how many of you guys know this, but every year Marvel does a giant big story with most characters. Usually it's...fine. Sometimes it's meh or bad. And on occasion, it's VERY good. For me, Civil War, along with Dark Reign was one of the best major crossover stories I had read. Many disagree, but that's life. I read....literally....every single issue of Civil War AND every single tie in issue. That is a LOT of comics. I was hooked on this story. Seeing Steve and Tony come to that disagreement. Watching Rogers' underground Avengers fight Stark's poster Avengers. Seeing how all of the minor characters dealt with the registration act etc. It was so huge. Just...enormous. It involved everyone except the real Thor (and maybe Hulk?).

So I was super nervous when I heard they were doing this. I knew, for a fact, that a ton of the characters I loved from the comics version, such as Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Moon Knight, Punisher, Sentry, Captain Marvel, Wolverine etc, were not going to be in this. Most of all, however, Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four wouldn't be in this, and they were a major part of the comics. So I was skeptical. How could they do SUCH a huge story line in 2 hours with so few characters? But I went in open minded, yet expecting to be let down.

Then we got Black Panther. Then we got Spider-Man. And on top of that we just got one of the best MCU movies to date. This movie is just a paragon of great writing, great directing, great acting, great editing and so forth. It feels like it rushes but doesn't actually rush. It goes at the perfect pace, just like Winter Soldier. The team of Russos, Markus and McFeely can clearly do no wrong. The emotional arc of Tony Stark through this movie is just genius. I dunno man. I can't say enough good stuff about this movie. I'll try to do a totally disproportionate list of likes/dislikes that just touches the surface for some of it.

Likes:
- All of the acting and characters. Steve and Tony are fantastic. Vision and Wanda are also fantastic. Bucky, Sam, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, etc. Fantastic
- Black Panther. Fantastic introduction that told us everything we need to know without a wasted word. Great acting, action, costume, fighting etc.
- SPIDER-MAN! Never handled so well. They summed up his entire god damn character perfectly in like 2 minutes of screen-time. It's very impressive.
- I really loved Zemo. I think he's often considered a low tier villain, but he's fantastic. His character is original, well acted, and honestly just really different. Yes, his plan had some coincidences that needed to work, but I can live with that. Also love that he is one of two villains that accomplished his goals and didn't die.
- The action. Nuff said.
- Bringing back Thunderbolt Ross was a really nice, albeit small, move. Nice to know that The Incredible Hulk wasn't TOTALLY ignored.
- The ending being a 2 on 1 fist fight rather than a giant sky beam everyone blowing everything up.
- The comedy is honestly fantastic. Bucky and Sam nodding at Cap after kissing Sharon. Spider-Man not knowing how to fight without sounding like a nerd. Just really natural and character rooted comedy. Much unlike Guardians where it became jokes for the sake of jokes.
- Also the ending of Rogers smashing Stark's chest reactor with his shield. Breaking Tony's heart with the symbol for his values and ideals. Beautiful.

Didn't like:
- Few plot holes in Zemo's plan. Nothing huge, but if anything had gone wrong, I feel like he'd be out of luck.
- I dunno. I honestly can't think of much I didn't like on this one.


Tonight is Spider-Man: Homecoming! WOOOO!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 16, 2019, 05:45:09 PM
I'm with ya Adam. I think I read (almost) all of the CW tie-ins (96 in total iirc). I have all of the same feelings and concerns towards this movie, and all of the same thoughts. Having all the pieces of Zemo's plan fall into place perfectly is my only -MINOR - gripe. Otherwise, it's flawless in my opinion.

The Russo's were masterful to pull the major ideas from the comics, while still making it seamlessly fit into the MCU was great.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 16, 2019, 05:46:29 PM
I'm with ya Adam.

I hate you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 16, 2019, 06:06:29 PM
 :lol

The Russo brothers,  all 3 of their movies are fantastic.

 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 16, 2019, 06:09:57 PM
I'm with ya Adam.

I hate you.

Goddamn autocorrect!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: lonestar on April 16, 2019, 06:19:29 PM
I'm with ya Adam.

I hate you.

Goddamn autocorrect!!!

Sure Joe...sure...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 16, 2019, 06:50:47 PM
It was I throb you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 17, 2019, 06:39:40 AM
Apparently some jackhole leaked a 5 minute section of Avengers: Endgame.

AVOID.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 17, 2019, 06:49:42 AM
I'm always amazed how people are able to do that.  To put your job on the line.  Not worth it in my book.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2019, 06:57:55 AM
Apparently some jackhole leaked a 5 minute section of Avengers: Endgame.

AVOID.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Bolsters on April 17, 2019, 07:18:23 AM
It's five minutes of clips from the movie, it's not consecutive. And yeah, avoid at all costs if you can and want to avoid spoilers. It showed up on Youtube first so you might not even be safe on there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 17, 2019, 07:25:12 AM
Alrighty then ... no more YT until next weekend.  I can live with that.

Even though I've avoided all click-bait for the last 6-8 months, and don't go to the shit from ScreenRant or Looper or anything, those channels still show up in my feed periodically, so the last thing I want is to see a thumbnail or headline I don't want to see.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on April 17, 2019, 07:35:42 AM
I'm always amazed how people are able to do that.  To put your job on the line.  Not worth it in my book.

I heard the movie is already out in Korea (South) and that's where the leaks are coming from. Wherever they come from, the Russo bros and all the Marvel official accounts have shared an open letter to the fans asking to not spoil the movie for the rest of the world, so the leaks are legit :censored
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Ninjabait on April 17, 2019, 09:44:14 AM
I'm always amazed how people are able to do that.  To put your job on the line.  Not worth it in my book.

I heard the movie is already out in Korea (South) and that's where the leaks are coming from. Wherever they come from, the Russo bros and all the Marvel official accounts have shared an open letter to the fans asking to not spoil the movie for the rest of the world, so the leaks are legit :censored

Huh, I heard it came from some dude's snapchat in either Saudia Arabia or Egypt during a dubbing session. It doesn't come out in SK until the 24th apparently.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 18, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
Only one more week. ONE MORE WEEK!! Film premiere is on Monday night, I am so freaking excited to read the first impressions.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 18, 2019, 10:40:01 AM
Final viewing plans with jingle.son

AoU to tonight
CW tomorrow
Ragnarok Saturday or Sunday
Infinity War Wednesday.

Endgame Thursday 7pm.  IMAX 3D.  Dead fucking centre of the theatre.

:caffeine:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on April 18, 2019, 11:06:49 AM
My birthday is this monday and my gf has promised to take me to see Endgame on friday. I was mindblown when they announced that it was going to premiere on the same week as my birthday. I just can't wait to see it (and I've been avoiding spoilers like the plague).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 18, 2019, 11:23:39 AM
The plan is to see Endgame at the drive next Saturday night.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 18, 2019, 12:38:37 PM
So, continuing my re-watch. A few nights ago was Spider-Man: Homecoming.

I really liked this movie on the first watch, but I think I liked it even more on the 2nd watch. Spider-Man is pretty important to me. I have a bust of him in my office. I usually keep up on his comics. I also usually list him as a personal hero of mine. He, through Stan Lee of course, really helped shaped my moral core. With great power comes great responsibility. So simple, yet so god damn profound. I think this basic moral code is one reason I keep disagreeing with Stadler in general, as well as with many Israelis over the conflict. I truly and firmly believe that idea, and it has helped make me the man I am today. I believe my moral core is one of my most defining characteristics, and Spider-Man played a huge role in shaping that. Not just that philosophy, but how he treats people in the comics. He hires villains in an attempt to rehabilitate them. He always gives people more chances. He never kills. He ends up making things worse sometimes because of it, but it's such an inspiring way to see the world. It's a focus on making things better, not punishing people. It's about hope, and not cold justice. Dude is really important to me.

I really enjoyed the first two Spider-Man movies. I didn't love Toby McGuire as Parker, but he was fine. A nice throwback to the 60's version of the character. I didn't like James Franco in them. He just always felt off. Most of those movies were really great tributes to 60's Marvel. So they were great for that. Less said about the third movie the better. Then the Andrew Garfield movies came out, and I was excited. I love Andrew Garfield and this dude seemed genuinely excited to play him, and just seemed like such a sweet dude. Then the movie came out. I mostly enjoyed it. Garfield tried his best to play Parker but was just the wrong choice. For Spider-Man, however, he really captured that sharp witty version that Toby didn't. So I half-enjoyed it. Lizard was a pretty lame bad guy, and the ending went way off the rails for me. I never actually saw the sequel cause it looked awful, and the reviews confirmed that. I actually remember seeing Tom Holland as Spider-Man for the first time in that Civil War trailer and I was just SO freaking pumped. It looked amazing. And then he was fantastic in Civil War, as I said.

Anyway, on to this movie. I freaking loved it! God damn. The whole opening sequence of him vlogging everything was genius. This was the first time I remember seeing the pure joy and excitement about being a super hero. Shazam seems to be doing that too, which is cool. Spider-Man just had so much charm and charisma. Doing a back flip at the request of a hot dog vendor, posing for pictures, helping with a stolen bike, etc. Just really captured the essence of the character in a more full and complete way than any of the other versions. Tom Holland is the definitive Peter Parker AND the definitive Spider-Man for me now. I also just love how sweet of a human being he seems to be as well. The movie itself is also great. Having Iron Man in there was fantastic for both business and story. Michael Keaton was a genuinely awesome character. The dialogue was spot on and the directing was really inspired.

Likes:

- Casting. Tom Holland as Spider-Man, Zendaya as whomever, that guy who played Ned (who was clearly supposed to be Ganke), Marissa as May, Tony Ravioli as Flash. Just new, inspired, and fantastic.
- Michael Keaton gets his own thing here. He was a great villain. I would have changed 1-2 scenes with him to make him a bit more what I think they wanted him to be, but over all fantastic.
- That damn car scene where Keaton threatens Holland. Both of their acting is amazing. It's genuinely scary and you feel it from both of them.
- Spider-Man losing his suit and going back to basics was great. That scene of him lifting the rubble off of him gives me the damn shivers.
- Captain America videos. I mean, hilarious.
- All of the supporting cast. From Hannibal to Martin to the Principle from Cap, all did a great job in this.
- Loved the ending. Personal fight. Pretty short, all things considered. Parker still saved Tumes. Tumes doesn't give him up.

Didn't like:

- Totally unnecessary and awkward cameo from Betty Brandt. Just...not necessary, took me out of it a bit.
- Zendaya being MJ was dumb. She's not even Mary Jane. She's just MJ? I mean, I thought her character was strong enough to be her own thing. Felt like a KAHN thing. Didn't need to be MJ. Didn't add anything.
- Vulture killing the first Shocker. Made him a bit too extreme. If he had accidentally killed him, which was implied, but then also showed considerable remorse, or at least showed that he had a moral center beyond simply SAYING that he was doing it all for his family, it would have helped.
- Ned being Ned. HE'S GOD DAMN GANKE JUST LET HIM BE GOD DAMN GANKE!


Tonight is Black Panther.

Can't believe Endgame is next Friday!
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Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2019, 01:02:49 PM
Yeah, I agree with the vast majority of that.  Some specifics:

- That damn car scene where Keaton threatens Holland. Both of their acting is amazing. It's genuinely scary and you feel it from both of them.

This was SO well done.  The tension is palpable.  I think I ranked Spider Man as my #3 MCU movie.  But this scene alone is by far the best thing Marvel has ever done and is almost worthy of carrying the movie to the #1 spot because of it.

Didn't like:

- Totally unnecessary and awkward cameo from Betty Brandt. Just...not necessary, took me out of it a bit.

It totally was unnecessary.  But it was also pretty unobtrusive and I didn't think it took anything away. 

- Zendaya being MJ was dumb. She's not even Mary Jane. She's just MJ? I mean, I thought her character was strong enough to be her own thing. Felt like a KAHN thing. Didn't need to be MJ. Didn't add anything.

Agreed.  It felt so hamfisted in a film that seemed to handle so many things so well that it kinda stood out like a sore thumb.  My reaction was, I'm sure, similar to a lot of others:  "Whoa!  Cool homage!  I totally didn't see that coming!  ...  Wait a second.  Actually, after thinking about that for about 3 seconds, that makes no sense at all.  Why did they just do that?"

- Vulture killing the first Shocker. Made him a bit too extreme. If he had accidentally killed him, which was implied, but then also showed considerable remorse, or at least showed that he had a moral center beyond simply SAYING that he was doing it all for his family, it would have helped.

I disagree, actually.  If he had done it intentionally, I think it would have made him too ruthless and would have undercut his motivations as doing it for his family.  I took his reaction to be along the lines of, if we could have read his mind during that exchange, "OH, WHOA!  I TOTALLY DIDN'T MEAN THAT!  ...but you know what?  The more I think about it, he had it coming anyway, so I'm just gonna roll with it."  I think that amount of ruthlessness actually fit the character well, and it made me fully believe him when he told Peter he'd kill him if he interfered.  I wouldn't have believed it if he had shown too much remorse.  He needed to sell that line and make us believe it so that we would believe Peter believed it.  And we needed that for the stakes to be sufficiently high during the final fight, and for Peter trying so hard to save him to have the gravity that it had.

- Ned being Ned. HE'S GOD DAMN GANKE JUST LET HIM BE GOD DAMN GANKE!

I don't know who Ned or Ganke are.  This character portrayal worked just fine for me.


A few other things I loved:
-Peter's interaction with "Karen." 
-The Ferris Bueller reenactment, and then dropping the actual scene into the film on a tv screen.
-Peter's relationship with Happy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Ninjabait on April 18, 2019, 03:29:15 PM
Likes:

- Casting.

Okay, honestly, I think in ALL aspects this is where the MCU has shined the strongest. Almost every character is perfectly cast, especially the main characters. Sarah Halley Finn has been one of the casting directors for every MCU movie but Hulk so far and her work with the MCU is phenomenal. I don't think she gets enough credit, because her casting choices have made the MCU what it is.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 18, 2019, 03:31:43 PM
Peter and Happy's interactions were some of my favorite moments of Homecoming. That whole opening sequence with Peter recalling his appearance in Civil War, and Happy trying to chaperone him, always put a smile on my face.
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Post by: ZirconBlue on April 18, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
-Peter's interaction with "Karen." 


And that the actress that voiced "Karen" (Jennifer Connelly) is the wife of the actor who voiced JARVIS (Paul Bettany), is nice little Easter Egg.


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Post by: jingle.boy on April 19, 2019, 05:21:14 AM
Ahh... Jennifer Connelly.  I never looked in to who voiced that.  Gonna see those scenes differently now when I finally get to re-watching it. 

The car scene is fantastic.  Also, I agree with Bosk on the matter of Vulture killing his minion.

The 'rising from the rubble' scene was also incredibly well done.  Pulled nicely from the comics, and I'm sure everyone was figuring that Tony was gonna come in to save the day.  Felt much more real and inspiring that Peter had to overcome his obstacles all on his own - to become the hero that he is/wanted to be.
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Post by: Adami on April 19, 2019, 10:53:13 AM

- Ned being Ned. HE'S GOD DAMN GANKE JUST LET HIM BE GOD DAMN GANKE!

I don't know who Ned or Ganke are.  This character portrayal worked just fine for me.


The character was fantastic. It's literally just his name.

In the picture below, you have the actor playing Ned in the movie. On his left is comic book Ned, and on his right is comic book Ganke. Do you see what I mean?

(https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Ned-Leeds-and-Ganke-Lee-in-Spider-Man-Homecoming.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=798&h=407&dpr=1.5)
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 19, 2019, 11:53:21 PM
Because they still need Ganke Lee for Miles Morales in Into The Spiderverse.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 20, 2019, 10:33:02 AM
Because they still need Ganke Lee for Miles Morales in Into The Spiderverse.

Feel like it could have worked both ways.

Anyway, it wasn't a major criticism. Just felt strange that they had a character who was clearly Ganke, but called him Ned. Oh well.
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Post by: Adami on April 20, 2019, 02:26:10 PM
Got my mini-review for Black Panther later today, but right now I'm watching season 2 of Cloak and Dagger and this is a REALLY good show. Like a slightly lighter version (slightly) of the Netflix shows. I highly recommend them. Quite different from the other shows currently on.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 20, 2019, 04:09:13 PM
Got my mini-review for Black Panther later today, but right now I'm watching season 2 of Cloak and Dagger and this is a REALLY good show. Like a slightly lighter version (slightly) of the Netflix shows. I highly recommend them. Quite different from the other shows currently on.

Loved season 1, but haven’t had time to start season 2 yet, will start watching asap.
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Post by: Adami on April 20, 2019, 04:51:48 PM
So, continuing my rewatch. Recently was Black Panther.


You know, this movie made a WHOLE lot of noise when it came out. It was a god damn social phenomenon. 1.3 billion dollars on a 200 million dollar domestic opening weekend. That is HUGE for a movie like this. The name Black Panther is not too familiar to non-comic book fans. People know The Black Panthers, the sometimes militant civil rights group, which was oddly birthed two months after the Marvel character debuted in 1969. This was one of the first major black super-hero. He wasn't just a black guy either, he was African. An African king. He represented pride in African heritage and roots and helped speak to an entire part of the population that might not able to fully connect with the hundreds of white superheros that existed at that time. He was a really important piece of history and deserves his rightful place in it. That said, he was never a character I fully gravitated toward. Not because he was an African king, but because his character just kind of lacked the charisma needed to draw me in. I enjoyed him in bigger books and loved him as an Avenger, but never dug too deep into his solo issues. A bit here and there, but not a ton. He was, however, great on a team. He added a really great element. Nobility, moral rigidity, and a flawed stubbornness. He bounced off the others wonderfully.

As far as the MCU goes, he had a jaw dropping debut in Civil War. They found a fantastic actor, who did not only a great performance, but also really emphasized the African aspects to the character. A brilliant way to expand the MCU into new cultural domains. So when this movie was coming out, I wasn't totally sure what to expect. The dude doesn't have much of a sense of humor, and people aren't familiar with him. I expected a global box office of maybe 500 million. Tops. Akin to an Ant-Man. Lord, was I wrong. Who could have predicted such a global phenomenon? Turns out, we all should have. An entire portion of America's population was finally getting a movie that speaks to them. That looks like them. That doesn't feel like they have to aim primarily at a white male audience to succeed. It was a huge risk, because studios have gone on record before that as saying they feel these kinds of movies need to be aimed at a white, male, younger-middle aged audience to succeed. This was the first movie to shatter that illusion. Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel carried that torch moving forward and it's changing the kinds of movies getting wide and domestic releases to this day and going forward.

So the movie! I remember watching it for the first time and got really caught up in the social narrative. Why is THIS movie being considered for an Oscar? It's not Logan. It's good. It's not GREAT. Why do people love it so much? I didn't see it. I liked it a lot, but not THAT much. I also had a number of problems with it. I though Killmonger took over WAY too easily and it made no sense. I thought the ending battle was a huge mess and didn't like it. I thought T'Challa was pretty flat. So I let it be at that. Then I watched it again recently for my rewatch and I have a VERY different opinion.

I love this movie. It's fantastic. I think once the social fad had ended, I was able to just watch this movie and enjoy it for what it is. Also, knowing what happens helps me see the setup they had in it that I had missed before. How did Killmonger get so accepted so quickly? The movie establishes early on that leadership is won through strength. The leaders have been Black Panthers, the strongest, mightiest warriors in the country. If anyone beats them in that ritual combat, they take over. If M'Baku had beaten T'Challa in that opening scene, that dude would be the leader of Wakanda. Killmonger beat him. How did he even get there you ask? Two ways. 1) He demonstrated strength by defeating a major enemy of Wakanda when no one else ever good. That is a huge sign of strength. He also had royal blood. Movie also established the importance of bloodlines. They also weren't thrilled with him except for the Get Out guy who was mostly focused on strength as a sign of leadership. In America that might seem weird, but coming from the Middle East, I see it in most countries there. Strength wins. "It's difficult for a good man to be king"

Why did the whole country fight T'Challa just because Killmonger told them to? Well, on this viewing I noticed that it wasn't that many people. I believe it was 2 tribes only. And a small number of them in the end. So that sat better with me this time around too. The Rhino's didn't bother me quite as much this time either. Still not a fan, but they weren't as big in the fight as I remembered. Also the final fight with Killmonger and Black Panther was much better than I remembered. And of course that final line by Killmonger. Genius stuff. Also a random thought: Erik becoming king kind of represented the whole problem with the country. So stuck in their old ways that they deny themselves progress.

Likes:
- The cast. Every character shines in this movie. Besides the leads, Lupita, Danai, Daniel, Letitia, Winston Duke, Forest, etc. All brought their A games. Let's not forget Angela Basset too. She could have pulled a Glen Close and just phoned it in, but she really delivered a great performance.
- Michael B. Jordan. God damn. Dude just crushes it. What a fantastic actor.
- Andy Serkis as Klaue. I loved him so god damn much. Just chewing the scenery and giving a dynamic fun and energetic performance. I know his character had to die, but it's a real shame. I just want to watch more of him going nuts.
- Danai throwing her wig at that guy. Just a great statement and moment.
- The set-design. The look of Wakanda was original and inspired. A beautiful mix of futuristic and traditional African.
- Same with the costume design. Deserved that Oscar.

Dislikes:
- Some of the action is a bit video gamey. Most of it is great, but it has moments where it's SO CGI that it's distracting.
- A big plot hole I noticed this time. Well, not a plot hole, but a weird thing. So when Erik breaks out Klaue, Black Panther sees him wearing that ring. So when Erik is presented to him with that ring, as the dude who killed Klaue, couldn't T'Challa put two and two together that this was the dude that helped Klaue escape and expose him? Doubt they'd get too behind the dude who helped Klaue escape from custody, even if he did kill him later. I dunno. Seems odd.
- Gonna be honest, the technology seemed a bit too much. Like...what CAN'T these people do? God damn. It seemed unlimited and endless how advanced and powerful they had become.
- A little unclear on the timeline. I think it established that this takes place like a week after T'Chaka's death. Yet when he lands, they're all joking and seem pretty fine. Maybe it was quite a bit after? I dunno. It was short enough that Nakia had not been informed at all. But it couldn't have been THAT long, cause then they'd have no king for that whole time. Ah well. Just confused.

All in all. A much better movie than I remember it being. Really loved it.

Tonight is Thor: Ragnarok!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on April 21, 2019, 12:16:30 PM
Really interesting to read your thoughts on these re-watches. I think there is a certain hype with movies like this that can mean a first watch feels disappointing or we're looking out for certain things and end up missing other things. With Black Panther specifically I remember noticing those key set ups on my first watch so that did help me love it first time around, but it's definitely happened to me with other movies (and books too).
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Post by: Lonk on April 21, 2019, 06:54:37 PM
For those who haven’t seen it, Avengers/Geico commercial.

Warning: the end shows real movie footage. Nothing new, just the same clips from trailers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR1wR02V8sM
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Post by: jammindude on April 21, 2019, 07:11:25 PM
Trying to do a marathon before Endgame.   I don't think I'll make it, but I just finished Avengers and did 6 movies in 3 days. 

1) I want to do this again after Endgame.  But this time I want to watch the audio commentaries.  Has anyone watched any of them?  Are they any good?

2)  It would have been interesting if, during the Sakovia Accords debate, someone would have said, "Hey, wait a minute.  YOU guys are accusing US of too much collateral damage...but YOU guys were the ones who wanted to nuke half of NYC!!!"

3)  The Chris Cornell song makes me sad.   As a native Seattlite.   I'm not a huge fan of every Seattle icon, but of all of them, Chris was my favorite.  RIP
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 21, 2019, 08:43:58 PM
2)  It would have been interesting if, during the Sakovia Accords debate, someone would have said, "Hey, wait a minute.  YOU guys are accusing US of too much collateral damage...but YOU guys were the ones who wanted to nuke half of NYC!!!"

There's a deleted scene in the first Avengers where Hill roasts them for considering that and is all like "btdubz we recorded that so don't try anything." But then Shield fell and I'm guessing Fury and Hill didn't give the black mail material over to the Avengers.
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Post by: jammindude on April 21, 2019, 09:15:24 PM
2)  It would have been interesting if, during the Sakovia Accords debate, someone would have said, "Hey, wait a minute.  YOU guys are accusing US of too much collateral damage...but YOU guys were the ones who wanted to nuke half of NYC!!!"

There's a deleted scene in the first Avengers where Hill roasts them for considering that and is all like "btdubz we recorded that so don't try anything." But then Shield fell and I'm guessing Fury and Hill didn't give the black mail material over to the Avengers.

Interesting.   A stretch (by the writers, not you) but interesting.   Easily overlooked considering how well everything else is done.
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Post by: Adami on April 21, 2019, 09:31:10 PM
I don't think too many people on the World Security Counsel were doing the Sakovia accords. I think that was basically the UN, who had nothing to do with wanting to nuke NY.
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Post by: jammindude on April 21, 2019, 10:29:29 PM
I don't think too many people on the World Security Counsel were doing the Sakovia accords. I think that was basically the UN, who had nothing to do with wanting to nuke NY.

Still....even if the right hand doesn't know what the left hand was doing, they were still a branch of the government, which The Avengers never were. 
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Post by: bosk1 on April 22, 2019, 07:32:39 AM
I "get" everything Adami said, but still didn't love the movie.  It was very good.  And I loved most of it before Killmonger got to Wakanda.  But once he arrived, the movie took a bit of a dive for me.  I still consider it a very good movie.  But not a great one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 08:10:38 AM
I "get" everything Adami said, but still didn't love the movie.  It was very good.  And I loved most of it before Killmonger got to Wakanda.  But once he arrived, the movie took a bit of a dive for me.  I still consider it a very good movie.  But not a great one.

Totally understandable, colonizer.

Like I said in my way too long review, I felt the same way when I first saw it and truly expected to feel that same way this time. I just felt differently. It was odd.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 22, 2019, 08:48:30 AM
Totally understandable, colonizer.

I was about to respond along the lines of "I am not!  I'm a Spaniard!"  Then I heard those words in my head and realized I was actually making your argument far stronger than you perhaps intended.  :lol
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 22, 2019, 09:55:15 AM
As somebody who live in a country colonized by Spaniards and the US, let me just say that a lot of the Killmonger - Tchalla debate resonated with me. I guess many just wouldn't understand how it felt to be at the other end and up to this day, having watched the movie more than five times, I still have no clear side on the argument.
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Post by: Adami on April 22, 2019, 11:17:57 AM
So continuing my rewatch, few nights ago was Thor: Ragnarok. ...............only 2 more movies before Endgame....crazy.


Anyway. Not sure I'll have a ton to say about this one, but I thought that about the last few, so we'll see.

So Thor has been an odd character in the MCU. He currently bares virtually no resemblance to his comic book counter part, and I'm 100% fine with that. Dude is not super interesting on his own. He is strong headed, bold, rigid, and loud. That doesn't translate SUPER well to screen. The first movie found a way around that by making it about him earning his title back. The second movie....well we all know how that one went. So when they announced the title of this movie, Ragnarok, clearly in the making since Ultron, I was excited. I was like "YESSS. This is going to be the darkest, most epic, most brutal MCU movie to date!." And clearly MCU thought that too for a while. Ultron hinted at Ragnarok pretty....sloppily. It was all death and crazy and weird. So it seems the MCU  had envisioned a very dark and epic movie. Then.....they brought on this weird dude from New Zealand. A comedy director through and through and they gave him a super dark, gritty, epic idea and he turned into into a silly comedy. The result? Well, it's a very good movie with a lot of flaws that is clearly two different movies trying to coexist at the same time.

Half the movie is the original pitch. Or what I assume it was at least. You have Hela (a great performance by Cate) coming to Asgard to bring about the end. That part of the movie is dark, gritty, and a major downer. Most of Asgard is massacred. Odin dies. Mjolnir is destroyed........and then there's Planet Hulk. This part is odd, since Planet Hulk, in the comics, is NOT funny at all. In fact, it has one of the darkest moments I've ever seen in Marvel where he carries that child through an explosion and the child slowly turns to ash in Hulk's arms. God damn. But this version worked super well with the comedic tone. While these two story lines do come together in a good way, they really do feel like two different movies happening at the same time. The comedic tone didn't work very well for the Asgard stuff. The serious tone would not have worked for the new version of the Planet Hulk stuff. A major criticism of this movie, which I think is due to these clashing ideas, is that the serious stuff is not given much room to breathe and is often met with a quick joke to deflate it. I mean...THOUSANDS OF ASGARDIANS DIED and the entire realm of Asgard was blown up. What happened then? A joke. A funny joke, but a joke nonetheless.

Speaking of which, quick thoughts on the number of Asgardians. It was very inconsistent, even in this movie. I understand that Hela killed off like the entire army, which I assume was about 90% of the population. But when they're in hiding with Heimdall, it looks like thousands of people. Then on the bridge it feels like maybe 100 tops. Then on the ship at the very end, it feels like thousands again. Just all over the place. I wonder if it's safe to assume that there were lots of Asgardians in other realms keeping the peace, since Thor said it was all chaotic.

The tone was a breath of fresh air for me. MCU needs diversity and this was a great example of it. I just wish the idea had been developed from start to finish with Taika's vision in mind, so it wasn't the mish-mash we got. The change to Thor's character was great, the addition of Valkyrie was great, and the movie gave us a believable and satisfying redemptive arc to Loki. Also noticed that between this, Black Panther, and GoTG 2, the entire main cast of Creed is in the MCU.

Hmm....guess I had more to say than I thought. Shocking. Anywho...

Likes:
- New take on Thor. This was a relatable and great Thor. Chris Hemsworth is gold in this capacity, hope he has chances to explore it more.
- The cameos in the play. Hemsworth brother, Matt Damon, Sam Neil, etc. Brilliant stuff.
- The soundtrack....oh man.....best one since GoTG vol 1. Loved it all, especially the 80's vibe to it.
- THE COLORS! this movie is so colorful. The designs are so bold. I loved it. A real nod to Jack Kirby and his style.
- The umbrella scene was a great nod to old school Thor. Not over the top, but tasteful.
- The flashback of the Valkyries attacking Hela might be the most visually beautiful scene in any MCU film to date. Truly stunning.
- Jeff Goldblum. Can't say enough there.
- A ton more that I don't have time to get into

Dislikes:
- Too much comedy at times. The Ragnarok storyline needed a more serious and dramatic tone. Either do that or ditch the whole storyline with Hela all together.
- Felt like Anthony Hopkins kind of phoned this one in, to be honest.
- Hulk's vocoder effect is........way more obvious than I remember.
- Inconsistent portrayal of Asgard.
- Total disregard for the Warriors Three. They deserved better than that.

Probably more of each, but that's all I got off the top of my head.

Not sure if people are reading these or if they're annoying, but only two left!



Tonight is Infinity War!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: King Postwhore on April 22, 2019, 11:25:23 AM
Mark Ruffalo has always been a wooden actor for my tastes.  This movie he showed more emotion as Banner than I've ever seen before.  I really liked him in this role.
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Post by: ariich on April 23, 2019, 05:10:08 AM
First reactions from the premiere are pretty ridiculously positive!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 23, 2019, 05:31:20 AM
I just watched Ragnarok myself last night.  I totally see your points Adami, and once again, can't disagree with them too much.  My likes that you didn't mention - the opening battle for Surtur.

My additional beefs - I think the Fenris/Hulk fight could've had a bit more 'oomph' to it.  I wish the loss of Thor's eye had been more meaningful (and NOT CG) given it's significance in the comics.  I wish there had been the Warbound instead of just Korg and Meek - and the latter being nothing by caricatures to deliver a punchline.

Still, very good movie that was a great segue into IW.

Also, why do they NEVER refer to it as Mjolnir?  I think it may have been called by name in Thor, but every other movie refers to it as 'hammer'.  IT HAS A FUCKING NAME!
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Post by: Orbert on April 23, 2019, 06:32:29 AM
Because most people wouldn't remember the name, many who do would still pronounce it wrong, and fewer still could spell it correctly.  In the comics you see the word written over and over, so it sinks in.  In the movies, every time they said it, most people would say "What? What is it called again?" and miss a few minutes of dialogue.  Every time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: The Walrus on April 23, 2019, 08:01:36 AM
I still think Thor: Ragnarok is one of the best MCU films. While there are moments I tune out, overall, it's an incredibly fun flick with some genuine, organic humor. Love the buddy comedy aspect of it, Hulk is easily cooler and better in every way than in any prior film, and Jeff Goldblum is captivating.

Black Panther I enjoyed on the first watch but it tanked on the second. Really don't like that film, it's not bad, it's just so freaking blah.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2019, 04:33:16 PM
First reactions from the premiere are pretty ridiculously positive!

Yea. Premier was last night. So tons of people I follow on youtube/twitter are giving initial reactions and they are 100% glowing.

I just watched a non-spoiler review of two people that I thought, if ANYONE can deflate the hype, it's these two. And they said that they actually cried during the movie and can't imagine how they pulled off such a great movie.

So I'm pumped.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 23, 2019, 04:51:46 PM
Same.  I just read a lot of comments and I can't wait.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on April 23, 2019, 05:32:07 PM
Just got back from Endgame. I can't believe Qui-Gon Jinn dies!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2019, 05:35:19 PM
Just got back from Endgame. I can't believe Qui-Gon Jinn dies!

DUDE! SPOILERS!

I didn't even know Qui Gon Jinn survived Infinity War!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2019, 05:37:16 PM
I also heard a funny comment that Star Wars episode IX should have been called Endgame, and the final episode to GoT should be called Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Zook on April 23, 2019, 06:02:35 PM
There's a terrible Taylor Swift song called Endgame. It's even worse than Bad Blood off her previous album.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 23, 2019, 06:45:09 PM
So a lot of people who saw the movie are saying that the trailers spoil absolutely nothing what so ever about the film, so that's a relief.


They also confirmed that Ant-Man shrinks down, goes up Thanos' butt and enlarges to win the day.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: gzarruk on April 23, 2019, 06:56:50 PM
I saw something that could be a spoiler on the official Avengers Instagram account (it was a post, not a comment, I'm avoiding comment sections like the plague). I won't post it here, but it looks like I'm gonna have to start avoiding all kinds of social media untill I get to see it this friday :o
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 23, 2019, 08:09:10 PM
Purple Carpet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7002&v=5xyNqemLNxk

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: ariich on April 24, 2019, 12:23:16 AM
Seeing the people who attended the premiere was interesting if it reveals anything about appearances in the movie, although of course there's a perfectly good chance it doesn't at all. I won't post details in case that counts as potential spoilers.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: soupytwist on April 24, 2019, 01:18:15 AM
96% on Rottentomatoes this morning.   I avoided reading any of the reviews though, tickets booked for Sunday midday, so I'll be watching Endgame and Battle of Winterfell within hours of each other - I think I'll be an emotional wreck by Monday.,..
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on April 24, 2019, 02:53:36 AM
Sitting in the theatre now. Endgame in ten minutes. I dont know if I'm ready  :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Polarbear on April 24, 2019, 03:05:16 AM
Saturday for me! Cant wait! :corn
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: erwinrafael on April 24, 2019, 04:49:55 AM
Finally watched it. I cried.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: aurorablind on April 24, 2019, 07:45:29 AM
Fantastic. Absolutely perfect.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2019, 07:49:13 AM
Just a quick idea, can we all agree to hold off on spoilers or keep it to small font til maybe Monday? I'm seeing it Friday, but I know it's not easy for everyone to see immediately. Just an idea.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: bosk1 on April 24, 2019, 08:01:02 AM
Let's say:  No spoilers in this thread for two weeks after official release this Friday.

NO SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD until May 10th.  I will start a separate Endgame thread for spoilery discussion and will just merge them on the 10th.
Title: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: bosk1 on April 24, 2019, 08:02:48 AM
LET'S KEEP THE MARVEL THREAD SPOILER FREE UNTIL MAY 10TH.  POST ALL SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD ONLY.

Because some people cannot see it right away and don't want to be spoiled, let's keep the other thread spoiler free until 2 weeks from release date.  I will then merge the threads.
Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2019, 08:03:55 AM
LET'S KEEP THE MARVEL THREAD SPOILER FREE UNTIL MAY 10TH.  POST ALL SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD ONLY.

Because some people cannot see it right away and don't want to be spoiled, let's keep the other thread spoiler free until 2 weeks from release date.  I will then merge the threads.

I love you.

/spoilers.
Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: The Walrus on April 24, 2019, 08:41:54 AM
Thanks bosk :) I'll be seeing it Friday night.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: jingle.boy on April 24, 2019, 08:53:15 AM
Let's say:  No spoilers in this thread for two weeks after official release this Friday.

NO SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD until May 10th.  I will start a separate Endgame thread for spoilery discussion and will just merge them on the 10th.

That's a good call.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 24, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
Let's say:  No spoilers in this thread for two weeks after official release this Friday.

NO SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD until May 10th.  I will start a separate Endgame thread for spoilery discussion and will just merge them on the 10th.

GOOD CALL!!!
Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: aurorablind on April 24, 2019, 09:42:46 AM
Best MCU-moment ever:
"Avengers!" *music stops*...."Assemble"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: ariich on April 24, 2019, 10:11:35 AM
Good thinking bosk, I've also updated this thread's title to make the distinction as clear as possible.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: lonestar on April 24, 2019, 10:13:06 AM
May wanna change this threads title then.. Just saying...


96% on Rottentomatoes this morning.   I avoided reading any of the reviews though, tickets booked for Sunday midday, so I'll be watching Endgame and Battle of Winterfell within hours of each other - I think I'll be an emotional wreck by Monday.,..

You some type of masochist or something?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: ariich on April 24, 2019, 10:19:50 AM
May wanna change this threads title then.. Just saying...
Good thinking bosk, I've also updated this thread's title to make the distinction as clear as possible.
Er...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
Let's say:  No spoilers in this thread for two weeks after official release this Friday.

NO SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD until May 10th.  I will start a separate Endgame thread for spoilery discussion and will just merge them on the 10th.
Thank you.  I am not seeing it until April 30th, so it's good to know I will have a safe space.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: The Walrus on April 24, 2019, 10:52:28 AM
Everyone hide in the crypts of the Avengers' tower! It's safe there! Wait...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: ariich on April 24, 2019, 10:54:18 AM
Let's say:  No spoilers in this thread for two weeks after official release this Friday.

NO SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD until May 10th.  I will start a separate Endgame thread for spoilery discussion and will just merge them on the 10th.
Thank you.  I am not seeing it until April 30th, so it's good to know I will have a safe space.
All the best people are seeing it on April 30th.

Also me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: ErHaO on April 24, 2019, 11:00:08 AM
Spoiler free, offcourse:

Saw it today, what a blast! The film takes many unexpected turns. Even if you have some indication to where the plot is going beforehand, the film will catch you offguard several times. And it does some ballsy things. I love Infinity War and this one is even better.

Avoid spoilers at all costs and it definitely pays off if you have seen all the preceding films. Every film serves a part in the journey's of these characters and this one uses that baggage brilliantly. So many trilogies, hell, so many single films fail to provide a satisfying ending. And this one manages to do it fantastically for more than a dozen of films and a whole bunch of characters. Hell, one of the worst MCU films is redeemed in my view, it became a whole lot more relevant than I ever expected.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 24, 2019, 12:24:24 PM
Let's say:  No spoilers in this thread for two weeks after official release this Friday.

NO SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD until May 10th.  I will start a separate Endgame thread for spoilery discussion and will just merge them on the 10th.
Thank you.  I am not seeing it until April 30th, so it's good to know I will have a safe space.
All the best people are seeing it on April 30th.

Also me.
o/
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: ariich on April 24, 2019, 12:26:02 PM
Let's say:  No spoilers in this thread for two weeks after official release this Friday.

NO SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD until May 10th.  I will start a separate Endgame thread for spoilery discussion and will just merge them on the 10th.
Thank you.  I am not seeing it until April 30th, so it's good to know I will have a safe space.
All the best people are seeing it on April 30th.

Also me.
o/
      o
     /=
o/*|\

You perv.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: King Postwhore on April 24, 2019, 01:37:28 PM
Get a cyber room you 2.  Drive In on the 27th.  Can't wait!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: Adami on April 24, 2019, 01:58:57 PM
So continuing my rewatch, few nights ago was Avengers: Infinity War (we're getting close to the end here guys, I'll be done soon!)

This god damn movie. Jesus. We'll see how much I have to say about such a tight movie.

So, like most Marvel fans, I am familiar with the original Infinity War comics. They were....okay. Not what I would consider to be the best, but definitely huge and important. When they announced this movie, I was concerned with how they would translate it to film. First, as much as I love Thanos in the comics, I couldn't see that version of the character working in the films. Killing half of all existence to impress lady Death cause he wants to bang her? That's a tough sell without looking super silly. So the change to making him less of a super evil crazed bad guy, and more into someone...totally nuts....thinking he is doing the right thing was a great choice. You empathized with Thanos here, where in the original comics, you really can't. Second, total change of characters. Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer play huge roles in that story, and neither are in the movies. But, after Civil War, I had full trust in this team to make good changes, adaptations, etc and keep the underlying theme of the story and make it fit the MCU. And boy did they do just that.

The movie has a WHOLE lot in it. I can definitely say that it's not my favorite Marvel movie, but it definitely comes close at times. Sadly, I think there's just too much exposition, set up, etc., which was 100% necessary, but unfortunately makes the re-watch a bit more obvious in that it's such a set up. Not a huge criticism, but keeps it from being my favorite.

Quick thoughts on Hulk by the way. On first viewing, the no Hulk thing was very confusing. A lot of people said Hulk didn't come out cause Thanos scared him in the beginning. Probably. Directors said that he didn't come out cause he was sick of being used as a weapon. 2nd (or whatever this was) viewing really was better at seeing the idea that Hulk is pissed that he is only used as a weapon.

I don't have much else to say, honestly, it's a great movie. However, there is one thing I really want to emphasize. I've been reading/watching spoiler-free reviews of Endgame, and everyone...EVERYONE....is praising the Russo brothers. And rightfully so. That said, there are two names people are neglecting.

Stephen McFeely and Christopher Markus. These dudes are the writers for Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame, and others. These guys wrote those amazing scenes and lines. They need WAY more credit than they are getting.

Anywho, likes and dislikes.

Likes:
- Guardians and Thor one-upping each other with the bad dad's thing.
- All of the Guardians and Thor stuff. Just amazing chemistry
- Rabbit
- Wanda dropping her accent. Smart move. Did it make a ton of sense? Nope, but it made the character less odd and distracting.
- Thor's arrival is obviously the coolest thing ever
- Spider-Man's death......jesus. To find that Tom Holland improvised that...I'M NOT CRYING! YOU'RE CRYING!
- The silent dusting. Just a great creative decision.

Honestly, that list could eventually include almost every character/scene/etc.

Dislikes

- A ton of exposition. Necessary, but a drag.
- Not sure. Great movie.


Tonight is Ant-Man and the Wasp. Then we done!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: The Walrus on April 24, 2019, 02:03:33 PM
Good stuff, Adami. My only two gripes with Infinity War: the entire chunk from the Wanda-Vision scene in London up through Cap's reappearance is a slog to me. Still annoyed that they gave away the Cap reveal in all the trailers and TV spots too. The other gripe is that Ebony Maw was the only member of the Black Order with any personality or time to shine, and unfortunately he was the first one killed. After a few minutes of seeing him in the film, I was hoping he'd play a big role, like Thanos's intellectual right hand man, maybe even into Endgame, but nope.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: bosk1 on April 24, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
That scene with Wanda and Vision was supposed to be longer, too.  After seeing the extended scene, it kinda reinforced to me that the final cut felt about right. 

The other gripe is that Ebony Maw was the only member of the Black Order with any personality or time to shine, and unfortunately he was the first one killed. After a few minutes of seeing him in the film, I was hoping he'd play a big role, like Thanos's intellectual right hand man, maybe even into Endgame, but nope.

I hear what you are saying, but two things:
1.  Most of the time, when I hear the complaint of "So-and-so was too interesting a character to go out like that! He deserved better!" it doesn't resonate with me.  I guess that's because it's a reflection of real life.  The most interesting people with the most interesting back stories don't always get to live the longest lives and have the most satisfying deaths.  It's basically the same complaint with Snoke, for example.  That's just not how life goes.  So while I too would have liked to have seen more of him, I'm cool that he met his demise. 
2.  I actually think 3 of the 4 black order members we were shown were pretty interesting, and that it would have been cool to see any of them make it.  But going back to Adami's point about how well done Thanos was, he always seemed real and seemed relatable.  And that goes all the way to his final (or almost final) scene in the movie when he tells Gamorra that he lost "everything."  I think he had to literally lose everyone that we had seen close to him for that to have weight. 


Anyhow, I thought it was a great film as well.  Thus far, my favorite in the MCU.  And yet, I almost never have much desire to see it again.  I haven't figured out why that is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: Samsara on April 24, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
No spoilers. But...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX3PlxvdEf4

Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: erwinrafael on April 24, 2019, 08:08:53 PM
That final battle scene had the whole cinema shouting. After people fell silent with what happened in Vormir (I think a lot of us were crying silently LOL), the climax was like the cathartic fan service we need. The shouts started when Cap picked up Mjolnir, literally the cinema exploded.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: lonestar on April 24, 2019, 09:56:52 PM
May wanna change this threads title then.. Just saying...
Good thinking bosk, I've also updated this thread's title to make the distinction as clear as possible.
Er...

What I was on break during after a fourteen hour day with four hours sleep, you expect me to be detail oriented as well?
Everyone hide in the crypts of the Avengers' tower! It's safe there! Wait...

 :rollin

Less than 20 hours....finishing up my last viewing of Infinity War...they're all fading away to ashes now as I type this.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 05:35:33 AM
12 hours and we'll be underway.  Watched IW last night, and I have some additional minor nits to add.

Banner knew too much about Thanos and his plan.  Heimdaal sent him on his way before knowing if Thor/Loki stopped him.  Everything he knew was presumptive and (as stated) purely conjecture to setup Thanos' motives.
There was SOOOO much going on, some things felt rushed (Thanos' back story, Rhodey's 'all-is-forgiven' attitude towards Cap and the crew) or omitted (Xandar being laid to waste; some kind of back story for the Black Order)

Things I loved:
The use of the B-list was perfect, especially Wong (with The Collector a close second).  Too bad Hugo didn't want to actually be part of this.
Zoe's acting on Voromir.  Someone said it before, but her reaction after the tears "are not for him" was amazing.
Thor and Rocket's scene.  You know what I'm referring to.
Thor's entrance - possibly my favorite movie moment ever now.

One thing I found fascinating while watching the Commentary version a few months back, Cap's entrance to save Vision from Corvus *in Wakanda* was his first appearance in the movie in early cuts of the script.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: erwinrafael on April 25, 2019, 06:08:41 AM
I am perfectly fine with Xandar's defeat not being shown on screen. It made me feel the surprise and terror that the characters felt when they heard the news.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: Grappler on April 25, 2019, 06:25:32 AM
I am perfectly fine with Xandar's defeat not being shown on screen. It made me feel the surprise and terror that the characters felt when they heard the news.

Yeah, not everything has to be shown on-screen.  I like that the movie dropped you right in the middle of Thanos' quest for the stones, already having acquired the first one, with Thor and Loki in trouble. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 06:32:08 AM
I am perfectly fine with Xandar's defeat not being shown on screen. It made me feel the surprise and terror that the characters felt when they heard the news.

Really?  It's not like we didn't 'know' that it had happened.  Did you think Thanos just popped in and politely asked John C to give it to him?  A brief flash back... or maybe Vision having some visions about it via the Mind stone - rather than just having a bit of a migraine?  I dunno.  Something.

@ Grappler... agreed, I very much like the way it started, so I'm not sure how they could've/should've handled Xandar better, I just think it would have been more satisfying to have been given something other than a one sentence reference by Thor.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: Dream Team on April 25, 2019, 06:35:56 AM
12 hours and we'll be underway.  Watched IW last night, and I have some additional minor nits to add.

Banner knew too much about Thanos and his plan.  Heimdaal sent him on his way before knowing if Thor/Loki stopped him.  Everything he knew was presumptive and (as stated) purely conjecture to setup Thanos' motives.
There was SOOOO much going on, some things felt rushed (Thanos' back story, Rhodey's 'all-is-forgiven' attitude towards Cap and the crew) or omitted (Xandar being laid to waste; some kind of back story for the Black Order)

Things I loved:
The use of the B-list was perfect, especially Wong (with The Collector a close second).  Too bad Hugo didn't want to actually be part of this.
Zoe's acting on Voromir.  Someone said it before, but her reaction after the tears "are not for him" was amazing.


Thor and Rocket's scene.  You know what I'm referring to.
Thor's entrance - possibly my favorite movie moment ever now.

One thing I found fascinating while watching the Commentary version a few months back, Cap's entrance to save Vision from Corvus *in Wakanda* was his first appearance in the movie in early cuts of the script.

Totally agreed on the bolded part, but unfortunately necessary exposition to clue Stark and Strange in. He also said "Thor's gone" without actually witnessing Thanos destroying the ship.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: MinistroRaven on April 25, 2019, 08:14:43 AM
I finally got tickets to watch it with my wife and oldest son on Saturday 1.30pm I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

 :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2019, 08:16:56 AM
I fully agree that we didn't need to see anything about Xandar. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: gzarruk on April 25, 2019, 08:23:20 AM
I finally got tickets to watch it with my wife and oldest son on Saturday 1.30pm I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

 :metal

It's been CRAZY to get tickets for the movie here in Lima, almost all the screenings for today and tomorrow are sold out already. I got tickets for tomorrow at 5:20 pm, but got terrible seats :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2019, 08:25:29 AM
So about Banner 'knowing' about Thor... pretty sure Bruce didn't expect Thor to live after what Hulk had just gone through. Hulk just got freaking wrecked almost effortlessly, and Thor got knocked out even faster. I don't blame him for thinking everybody including Thor died on that ship. Xandar, I agree, we didn't need to see that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2019, 08:29:00 AM
So about Banner 'knowing' about Thor... pretty sure Bruce didn't expect Thor to live after what Hulk had just gone through. Hulk just got freaking wrecked almost effortlessly, and Thor got knocked out even faster. I don't blame him for thinking everybody including Thor died on that ship.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 09:09:55 AM
So about Banner 'knowing' about Thor... pretty sure Bruce didn't expect Thor to live after what Hulk had just gone through. Hulk just got freaking wrecked almost effortlessly, and Thor got knocked out even faster. I don't blame him for thinking everybody including Thor died on that ship. Xandar, I agree, we didn't need to see that.

Sure, that's the rationale (and it's legit) ... but he didn't know for certain.  It was conjecture on Banner's part.

And on that topic - given some of the shots that Thor gave Hulk in the Grandmaster's arena (and his fight with Hulkbuster in AoU), I still struggle to fully accept that a dozen or so punches from Thanos was such a devastating beatdown.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2019, 09:15:06 AM
So about Banner 'knowing' about Thor... pretty sure Bruce didn't expect Thor to live after what Hulk had just gone through. Hulk just got freaking wrecked almost effortlessly, and Thor got knocked out even faster. I don't blame him for thinking everybody including Thor died on that ship. Xandar, I agree, we didn't need to see that.

Sure, that's the rationale (and it's legit) ... but he didn't know for certain.  It was conjecture on Banner's part.

And on that topic - given some of the shots that Thor gave Hulk in the Grandmaster's arena (and his fight with Hulkbuster in AoU), I still struggle to fully accept that a dozen or so punches from Thanos was such a devastating beatdown.

In the spirit of good fun conversation: how can you struggle to accept that? Let me paint the picture: Thanos is a 700 pound otherworldly being with immense combat prowess and intelligence, and we literally saw him take out Hulk with expertly timed and masterfully executed attacks (look how fast he chops him in the neck and beats him down after that). He easily picks up Hulk and smashes him into the ground. The Hulk's never gone up against a foe like that, Thor landed some good hits in the arena, but this was a methodical takedown by a malevolent force. And on top of all that, on top of all his natural strength, Thanos has the power stone augmenting his abilities beyond anything in the known universe.

Conjecture, yeah, but I mean, I still think what Banner said was totally reasonable.  :biggrin: Yeah, I'm a big goddamn nerd, sue me  :lol

EDIT: Just checked, apparently MCU Thanos is about 700 pounds, Hulk is 1400. Thanos is half Hulk's weight (but taller) and clapped his ass so hard Hulk went into hiding and won't come out to play anymore.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 09:54:45 AM
Yes, what Banner said was absolutely reasonable, but he had no way of KNOWING it was accurate.  Look, I'm being nitpicky here... it's just a MINOR nit I'm pointing out - in the spirit of discussion.

And to me, you've kinda proved my point.  How does what Thanos did amount to a total beatdown of Hulk, when what Thor/Hulkbuster did to him not even phase Hulk?  Thanos is 700 lbs and clapped his ass.  Gotchya.  Thor is what - 250 and by all appearances, clapped his ass harder in Ragnarok.  Physically speaking, launching Hulk a couple hundred feet in the air with a lightning shot, or hitting him so hard he looses a tooth seems just as - if not more - punishing than a kidney blow and an overhead body slam.  Plus, there was no indication that Thanos used the Power stone during that fist fight. 

I see what you're saying, I'm just having trouble buying what you/Russo's are selling.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 25, 2019, 09:57:56 AM
It was pretty decent. Not something that I'm gonna watch over and over, but it did what it needed to do, and did it well.

I was definitely getting Back to the future II vibes in places.

and My bladder definitely can't handle almost 3 hours though  :lol
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Post by: Dream Team on April 25, 2019, 09:58:41 AM
So about Banner 'knowing' about Thor... pretty sure Bruce didn't expect Thor to live after what Hulk had just gone through. Hulk just got freaking wrecked almost effortlessly, and Thor got knocked out even faster. I don't blame him for thinking everybody including Thor died on that ship. Xandar, I agree, we didn't need to see that.

Sure, that's the rationale (and it's legit) ... but he didn't know for certain.  It was conjecture on Banner's part.

And on that topic - given some of the shots that Thor gave Hulk in the Grandmaster's arena (and his fight with Hulkbuster in AoU), I still struggle to fully accept that a dozen or so punches from Thanos was such a devastating beatdown.

Thank you. And as I mentioned earlier in the thread, what about the "half of the people rule"? There was no certainty Thor would be killed, not to mention - where again are half the Asgardians that Thanos supposedly spared?
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 10:01:18 AM
Well, the refugee ship was busted in half via the initial pummelling from Thanos' ship.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2019, 10:04:19 AM
Yes, what Banner said was absolutely reasonable, but he had no way of KNOWING it was accurate.  Look, I'm being nitpicky here... it's just a MINOR nit I'm pointing out - in the spirit of discussion.

I have no problems with being nitpicky. That's the fun of this type of conversation! I have it with my buddies all the time over this stuff :)

And to me, you've kinda proved my point.  How does what Thanos did amount to a total beatdown of Hulk, when what Thor/Hulkbuster did to him not even phase Hulk?  Thanos is 700 lbs and clapped his ass.  Gotchya.  Thor is what - 250 and by all appearances, clapped his ass harder in Ragnarok.  Physically speaking, launching Hulk a couple hundred feet in the air with a lightning shot, or hitting him so hard he looses a tooth seems just as - if not more - punishing than a kidney blow and an overhead body slam.  Plus, there was no indication that Thanos used the Power stone during that fist fight.

Because Thanos is stronger than Thor and the Hulkbuster? I don't understand the logic you're using; if Thor and the Hulkbuster couldn't "even phase Hulk" then what's the problem with us getting front row seats to Hulk's historic ass whooping by Thanos? Thanos is stronger, end of story. I'd argue Thor did not clap Hulk harder in Ragnarok than Thanos clapped him in IW. All you have to do is watch Hulk's face against Thanos. Hulk wasn't afraid of Thor even when they were going at it, but there is actual fear in Hulk's face when he's getting hit by Thanos. Hulk can feel his might in every single attack. In Ragnarok, Hulk was going up against an opponent of similar strength - not so in IW.

Thanos doesn't have to actively use the power stone by the way - pretty sure he gets passive strength just by having it in the gauntlet, in his possession. Quill about got obliterated when he touched the stone, and Thanos was able to crush the Tesseract and hold the space stone in his hands like it was a pebble. I'm not sure if that's because he already had the power stone and therefore could hold it, or if he is simply so naturally powerful that he is able to handle the stones on their own, but there ya go. Thanos is physically stronger than Thor and Hulk by a wide margin.

EDIT: Boy this is way longer than it should be. Anyway, the biggest point to all of this is that Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. He wasn't getting angry against Thanos - he was getting scared, by his sheer power and fluid combat. That fear weakens him.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2019, 10:16:10 AM
Yeah, exactly what Katt said.  JB, I don't understand your logic.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
In a way I kind of get it; the arena battle in Ragnarok was almost Dragon Ball levels of ridiculous fighting especially with those high-in-the-air shots and jumps. But the fear of Thanos and how fear affects Hulk is absolutely critical in understanding why Hulk got wrecked so quickly.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 10:43:46 AM
Hey look, your logic an reasoning is sound.  I'm just not FULLY buying it based on the physicality of that fight sequence.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
You should fully buy it, 'cause Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier, and he wasn't getting angrier in that Thanos fight.

Nerd. :loser: :hug:  :heart
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 10:50:16 AM
You should fully buy it, 'cause Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier, and he wasn't getting angrier in that Thanos fight.

Nerd. :loser: :hug:  :heart

Oh, I know that part... that's why he was able to beat a superior fighter in Abomination.  I'm just not buying the fear angle.  I get that *is* the angle, I just don't think it's completely believable based on what we saw.  He just went after Surtur like 12 hours before hooking up with Thanos, but as soon as Thanos pulls Hulk off of him (not much different than Thor out-fighting/thinking him in Avengers 1), he's all of a sudden scared shitless?
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2019, 11:06:36 AM
Yes.  Because it is different than when he fought Thor.  And it is different than him thinking he can beat Surtur (although he quickly learned that he couldn't).  We we are supposed to take away from that is that he quickly realized that Thanos makes Thor, Surtur, etc. look like children in comparison, and Hulk quickly recognized that.  That's why Banner was in such a panic to explain that very thing after crashing into the Sanctum.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2019, 11:10:26 AM
Yes.  Because it is different than when he fought Thor.  And it is different than him thinking he can beat Surtur (although he quickly learned that he couldn't).  We we are supposed to take away from that is that he quickly realized that Thanos makes Thor, Surtur, etc. look like children in comparison, and Hulk quickly recognized that.  That's why Banner was in such a panic to explain that very thing after crashing into the Sanctum.

Bingo. Bosk... we're agreeing on too much lately.  :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 11:13:45 AM
DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO THINK!!!!  :D

You guys fully bought that angle; I didn't/don't.

Bingo. Bosk... we're agreeing on too much lately.  :lol

Why don't the two of you go hug it out in a shopping cart or something.  :rollin
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2019, 11:16:53 AM
Yes.  Because it is different than when he fought Thor.  And it is different than him thinking he can beat Surtur (although he quickly learned that he couldn't).  We we are supposed to take away from that is that he quickly realized that Thanos makes Thor, Surtur, etc. look like children in comparison, and Hulk quickly recognized that.  That's why Banner was in such a panic to explain that very thing after crashing into the Sanctum.

Bingo. Bosk... we're agreeing on too much lately.  :lol

Oh, don't worry.  After personally offending me by saying all Christians are immoral liars that you could never trust in the P/R section, we're right where we're supposed to be.  :hearts:
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Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2019, 11:23:07 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2019, 11:42:19 AM
Fun fact that I saw that changed how I saw the effects of the dusting.

If current Earth's population was halfed, it'd be like it was in the 1960's, when our population was about half of what it is now.

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Post by: ErHaO on April 25, 2019, 11:58:25 AM
A couple of random thoughts:

-So many great callbacks, both small and big ones. The history of 22 films really pays off here. From the kid of Iron Man 3 at the funeral of Stark (a small detail) to the elevator scene with cap mirroring the one in The Winter Soldier, this film is filled to the brim with details connecting all films. And in a way where it didn't become bothersome as the scenes make sense.

-From all the character arcs, Thor was the most surprising to me. Thor is comedic as hell, but also tragic at the same time. As someone who knows several people who went from young/handsome/bound to have succes to a worn near alcoholic sad mess, I thought his character was surprisingly relatable. And I liked how they used his mom as a pivotal point where he picks himself up again. Despite the mediocre first two films, his character arc is really well done. Curious to see where Guardians 3 will go, as Thor will likely star in it and it will probably a search for Gamora.

-A good sendoff for most of the core Avengers. It is definitely a "pass the torch" film. Iron Man dead, Cap elderly, Black Widow dead, Hulk probably missing use of an arm and not angry anymore (Hulk's power is correlated to his anger), Hawkeye is probably retiring for real (he did, but then his family disappeared). Thor's story is not finished yet and I feel Hulk will get into play again, but the new generation is definitely Spider-Man, Black Panther and the others.

-Time travel is always messy if you think about it long enough, but I greatly prefer this approach than that of most other popular films. It feels more logical to me than Terminator or Back to the Future.


A couple of negatives:
-Didn't care for Captain Marvel. Black Widow and Scarlet Witch are much more interesting female heroes in my opinion (and better acted). Having seen this, I don't think there was a need to quickly have an origin film in phase 3 to put her in this. It would've been much cooler to have a solo flick for Black Widow (maybe in combination with Hawkeye/Ronin) to make her sendoff more impactful. And to be honest, I think Brie Larson is the sole miscast in the entire MCU film cast. I was hoping this film gave her more character, but that was not the case (that said, I did enjoy Captain Marvel as a film, but her character is boring). But hey, I didn't feel much for Cap and Thor at first either, but they got good character development throughout the series.
-Would've liked a bit more of a role for Thanos' children during some scenes. Last film they were generic bad guys outside of Ebony Maw, here their presence was even smaller. But with a film this packed I know that this would be hard to pull off.
-While there is plenty of action I enjoyed, there isn't a scene like the airport battle in Civil War or the tag team against Thanos in Infinity War.
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2019, 03:14:22 PM
So, continuing....nay....FINISHING my rewatch, last night was Ant-Man and the Wasp.

So...I gotta say, the Ant-Man movies get a really unfair rep. Are they perfect? No. Are they game changing? Nah. Are they REALLY fun movies? YES!

Both Ant-Man movies got a really bad release date. The first came out like a month or two after Age of Ultron and the sequel came out like a month or so after Infinity War. How the hell was that supposed to work? People just got high off the Avengers and then you serve them a mostly unrelated movie? It's just bad marketing. If these movies had both been released in maybe Sep/Oct? They'd do way better. People just weren't in the right frame of mind for these kinds of movies when they were released.

These movies are just so god damn charming. Paul Rudd is by far the most charming and cool dude in the MCU. They both have really great and inventive action scenes, and how they handled the size changing was REALLY creative. People seem to just gloss over all the really amazing stuff in these movies and refer to them as pallet cleansers. I attribute that, at least like 80% to when they were released. Anyway. I'm a bit burned out of writing these lengthy things, and this movie is just a really nice good movie (with flaws) so I'll skip ahead to my likes/dislikes.

Likes:
- Most charming opening scene ever. I'm referring to Rudd and his daughter one, after the exposition intro. You just have to smile at that stuff.
- The father/daughter stuff. It was a bit meh in the first one and this one really captured their special connection. Also making Judy Greer and new husband on Rudd's side was a great call.
- The idea of the size changing cars was cool. Really liked it.
- You know what? Ghost. I liked Ghost and Bill Foster as antagonists. They were relatable and not bad for the sake of it. They were trying to do the right thing and became desperate. And the good guys deciding to help the bad guys at the end is CLASSIC Marvel, and something the movies usually miss out on.
- Pint sized Rudd. Not mini, but kid sized. I dunno, I thought it was hilarious. All of it.
- Luis. The dude is just comic gold, right? We all loved the recap stuff from the original and this one did it better. I feel like this was a better version of the Quicksilver idea. Really amazing scene at first that no one expected. This movie upped in a great way, while X-men failed at doing that, and will likely fail again in Dark Phoenix.
- Rudd acting as Janet. Dude is just so funny.
- Evangeline Lilly really brought a better game this time around. Kudos to her and her normal looking hair.
- All of the action scenes were fantastically directed. Inventive, creative, original and super entertaining. What else could we want?
- Glad that the villain (for lack of a better word) was not a size changer. It's much neater to see two powers fighting that are radically different, and Ghost had very cool powers.

Didn't like:
- Lazy exposition. First movie had this problem too. Just bad exposition of a character explaining everything. Opening scene with Douglass wasn't great, especially since we literally got the same scene (almost literally) in the last one. But Ghost's life story recap was REALLY lazy and poorly written.
- Convoluted plot at times. They ended up....pretty easily.....convincing Bill Foster to work with them at the end. Why not just do that much earlier? Didn't seem hard.
- Walton Goggins. I love this man so much but he has no purpose in this film and he is WAY too good of an actor to be wasted like this. I honestly forgot what his motivation even was. I understood Ghost's and Bill's very well. But Walton's? What the hell was he trying to do? I honestly didn't know or care. They either needed to get rid of him or make him an actual character and not such an obvious plot device.

I know a lot of people complain about the inconsistencies of size changing, but in the movie they stay...pretty consistent. Why didn't everything shake in the building? I dunno. Dude can shrink a building into a suitcase. Pretty sure he can figure out a way to make sure it's stable no matter what. Not plugged into water/electricity? Again, dude creating Pym particles, pretty sure he has that handled as well.

Anyway.....that was an amazingly fun, enlightening and rewarding experiencing re-watching 20 movies plus Captain Marvel. I am so pumped and ready for Endgame, and I feel like with this re-watch, I'll catch things other people might miss, so that'll be cool.

TOMORROW NIGHT!!!




Also, pretty sure Hank's gonna be pissed at this..
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2019, 03:25:21 PM
I know a lot of people complain about the inconsistencies of size changing, but in the movie they stay...pretty consistent. Why didn't everything shake in the building? I dunno. Dude can shrink a building into a suitcase. Pretty sure he can figure out a way to make sure it's stable no matter what. Not plugged into water/electricity? Again, dude creating Pym particles, pretty sure he has that handled as well.

I've never heard that criticism.  But to address it, actually, it's a valid criticism from the standpoint of probably being "correct."  Yeah, the size changing would have all kinds of unintended consequences.  And I doubt there is any realistic way for Pym to have figured out how to deal with even a fraction of that.  It makes the whole size changing thing incredibly unrealistic when you stop and think about it.  Solution:  Don't stop and think about it.  Just enjoy the movies because they're really fun and well done for a ton of different reasons.
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Post by: ariich on April 25, 2019, 03:29:31 PM
I feel like with this re-watch, I'll catch things other people might miss, so that'll be cool.
Yeah there's no way I could have done a re-watch so I'm definitely going to miss loads of stuff when I see it on Tuesday, but that's cool, I look forward to reading about it all once I've seen it and when I eventually get round to watching all the films again there'll be new stuff to look out for!
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Post by: The Walrus on April 25, 2019, 03:36:55 PM
Ant-Man & The Wasp is a very fun movie. I enjoyed it. I'd be lying if I said I ever felt the urge to watch it a second time though... I also wish it came out in the fall. Only 2 months after Infinity War is a bad move... like I get it, as kind of a palate cleanser, but still. Regardless, I liked it way more than the first film.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 25, 2019, 04:39:53 PM
In.
Da.
Theatre.

:caffeine:
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Post by: bosk1 on April 25, 2019, 04:53:08 PM
Don't tell me any other spoilers except this one:  Is it an "evening with" or do they have an opener?
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 25, 2019, 05:06:55 PM
I completely agree about Captain Marvel. Felt very out of place and shoe horned in. And in addition to that, the character is portrayed with a smug arrogance which is a major turn off and very off putting. When she said "you won't be seeing me for awhile" in the beginning, I was like Oh thank god  :lol

Thor had that spoiled arrogance at first, but in a charming Naive kind of way and his arc was him becoming more down to earth and less full of himself. Can't say the same about captain marvel. She thinks she's such hot shit, but was no where to be found when HALF the of existance died. Thanos is well known through out space, so Its hard to believe she was just too busy with something else to have no idea that Thanos was making moves to collect the infinity stones. Its goes back to it feeling like she was just dropped into other people's story and we're just supposed to buy it. Not feeling it.

The MCU has so many strong, well developed and interesting female characters. Captain marvel aint one of them. She's boring, flat and full of herself. Contrast that with Black Widow, who's sacrifice pretty much had me teary eyed.

And on a random note:   That's America's ass  :rollin
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Post by: lonestar on April 25, 2019, 05:10:36 PM
Just about to leave the house for the theater...I was doing an hourly countdown at work, I'm sure all my non-nerd coworkers are a sweet combination of bufuddled and annoyed by now. Probably more annoyed. :lol
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2019, 05:20:28 PM
I actually do have question, which the answer to MIGHT be considered spoilers. If you know the answer (only having seen the film) and think it's a spoiler, please PM Me the answer.

All of the press screenings have had 0 post/mid credits scenes, but no one was sure if they were holding out until an official release. So....does this movie have either of those?

I only ask cause the theater I'm going to is an hour drive from my house and I won't be getting out of the movie til close to 11pm. So if I don't have to wait til the very very end, I'd like to know. Thanks!
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 25, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
Don't tell me any other spoilers except this one:  Is it an "evening with" or do they have an opener?

They have Howard the Duck (1986) as the opener. Heard nothing but bad things about it. Would advise coming in late to the main concert, or peeing during the opener.

(https://i.redd.it/99821mlqh9u21.jpg)

Anyways guys, you shouldn't go see Endgame, because there might be spoilers for Endgame.
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Post by: lonestar on April 25, 2019, 06:53:32 PM
In the theater... It's go time man...
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Post by: Adami on April 25, 2019, 06:55:01 PM
I wonder if, during the live premier, Benedict Cumberbatch leaned over to RDJ and said "We're in the Endgame now..."
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 25, 2019, 09:11:22 PM
A lot of us here in the activist university I work in do not find Captain Marvel borong at all.
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Post by: lonestar on April 25, 2019, 10:10:07 PM
Fantastic finish, not perfect, but it did what Marvel does best, entertained the fuck out of me.

Losing Nat fucking crushed me man.
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Post by: faizoff on April 25, 2019, 10:12:31 PM
My non spoiler review.
I thought infinity war couldn't be topped.
I was wrong.
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Post by: faizoff on April 25, 2019, 10:13:33 PM
What an amazing conclusion to an amazing set of movies. Very well done.
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Post by: lonestar on April 25, 2019, 10:36:53 PM
My non spoiler review.
I thought infinity war couldn't be topped.
I was wrong.

Agreed, they really nailed it man. I'm still breathless.
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Post by: lonestar on April 25, 2019, 10:40:33 PM
What an amazing conclusion to an amazing set of movies. Very well done.

Yeah, not only a brilliant conclusion to them all, but also managed to pay homage to pretty much every single one of them. It'd take a view more viewings to pick it apart, but I think they tied them all in one way or another. Cap, Stark, and Nat are definitely gone, and who knows where Thor's arc is going to go with how they ended his line. Didn't see what happened to Gamora and Nebula, and whether or not they're going to further tie into GotG, I think there's a shit ton of humor potential with Quill trying to make the moves again on Gamora. Anyhoo, gotta wake up hella early tomorrow, so I'll catch up further in the morning.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 25, 2019, 11:30:49 PM
Losing Nat fucking crushed me man.

The editing was topnotch here. They basically made us "forget" that Clint and Barton were going to Vormir because their mission was not part of the intersecting scenes. When they arrived in Vormir, the cinema I was in suddenly went very quiet because I think everybody suddenly realized that one of the two has to die. I don't think there was a dry eye in the theater when Nat died.

Which is what made the climax so cathartic. I haven't heard so much shouting while watching a film.

And the death scene by Tony. So well done. I love how he did not have any great last words. He just died in front of his loved ones.

I have this student who was arguing with me that LotR: RotK was so much better as a conclusion. I disagreed. I love LotR to death (my son is named Rohan after all, LOL), but what the MCU's Infinity saga have that LotR did not was the sense that the heroes could lose. My student said he hated the 5 years later stuff, but I told him that I love that aspect, that the Avengers really lost to Thanos and by stroke of luck, courtesy of a rat, they got literally a second chance. I told my student that Tony and Nat's deaths were what really upped the stakes in this conclusion. He told me that LotR had Boromir and Smeagol dying, and I just laughed. The MCU had the balls to kill off Tony freaking Stark, that's like killing Frodo or Aragorn.

I also smiled when I realized that Infinity War actually already showed how to defeat Thanos. Thanos got the Mind stone of Vision by turning back time and  getting it before it was destroyed.

Only thing I can't wrap my head around for now was that bit about Cap getting old in this timeline. It's the only thing I can not fit it into the logic of time traveling that they established in this story.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 25, 2019, 11:32:25 PM
I actually do have question, which the answer to MIGHT be considered spoilers. If you know the answer (only having seen the film) and think it's a spoiler, please PM Me the answer.

All of the press screenings have had 0 post/mid credits scenes, but no one was sure if they were holding out until an official release. So....does this movie have either of those?

I only ask cause the theater I'm going to is an hour drive from my house and I won't be getting out of the movie til close to 11pm. So if I don't have to wait til the very very end, I'd like to know. Thanks!

There is some sort of a mid-credits scene. It's not really a scene but it would be good if you stay for it, because that brought a tear to my eye.
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Post by: aurorablind on April 26, 2019, 01:29:17 AM
I've seen the movie twice now, and here are my general thoughts.

Endgame totally lived up to the hype for me. It's still a bit early, but it may end up being my favorite comic book-movie of all time. I was laughing, crying and getting goosebumps throughout. There hasn't been a movie in a long long time that has affected me as much as this one.
This is not just a movie. This is an event like we've never seen before in movie-history. The conclusion of 11 years and 22 movies in a francise that has been close to perfect (with a couple of bumps along the way).
Is it a perfect movie? No, but as the end of this era of Marvel-movies it's pretty much nails everything we were promised.

My favorite parts of the movie:
- The characters. Each member of the original six Avengers got their moment to shine. Hawkeye has never been as interesting as this, RDJ gives his performance of a lifetime, Chris Evans is totally bad ass, Thor is funny as hell and a total emotional wreck at the same time. Professor Hulk was awesome, and Natasha...oh boy the feels....
- The opening of the movie with Hawkeye and his family was so good and so sad.
- I did not expect them to kill Thanos 15 minutes into the movie. I love Thor's expression when he says "I went for the head". You can totally see how much guilt, anger and sadness that has been building up in him.
- The slower parts of the movie had so many good character moments. Tony Stark and his daugher, (I love you 3000  :'( ) Steve Rogers and his therapy-group, Natasha crying while eating a peanut butter sandwich. So many emotional and good performances.
- Even though the time travel stuff doesn't make sense all the time, I loved how they went back to different eras of the MCU. I think the elevator scene was my favorite (Hail Hydra!  :biggrin: ). The moments between Tony and his father was great, as well Thor and his mother. The funniest was definitely Starlord dancing and singing with Nebula and Rhodey watching  :lol
- Natasha and Clint in Vormir. That was so good.. when Clint woke up with the soul stone was so heartbreaking.
- The entire third act.. oh boy. I totally lost it when Captain America went "Avengers!........assemble". One of the best moments in the entire MCU for me.
- Tony Stark defeating Thanos and his death. Such a badass, sad and worthy send-off to one of the greatest characters ever to be put on screen.
- Steve Rogers getting to dance with Peggy. I was smiling from cheek to cheek when the end credits started rolling  :heart

My least favorite parts:
- There definitely were some plot-holes, most of them because of the time-travel stuff. I don't really understand how Steve Rogers ended up as an old man in their timeline, and I can't wrap my head around how he would give the soul-stone back to Red Skull. Did he just go to Vormir and give the stone back to him? Wouldn't Red Skull then have gotten the Soul Stone without sacrificing a loved one?
- Thor was great, but I got a bit tired of the fat-jokes. Thor was having such a desperate and emotional moment when they were figuring out who would wear the gauntlet and bring people back. When he asked "do you know what is coursing through my veins?" and War Machine goes "cheese whiz?" kind of blew the moment for me.
- There were some elements of the final fight that felt a bit messy, but that's just a nit-pick.

Even though it had some small problems, I still give it 10/10. I love this movie to death, and will see it a third time this weekend.

Thank you Marvel!  :heart :heart :heart
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 26, 2019, 02:11:14 AM
I don't think the Soul Stone can be given back. I think instead that it will always be with Cap until somebody makes a sacrifice.

Am I correct that what the Ancient One said is that a divergent timeline would be constructed only when one of the stones is not present at a certain point in time? Could that explain why Steve was able to grow old in the timeline?
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Post by: Zantera on April 26, 2019, 04:23:23 AM
Thought the movie was really good and a worthy "end" to this incarnation of the MCU. Nice closure for some characters, and I would say it's one of the best movies in the MCU though personally Infinity War would probably still be my nr1 pick - but the movies go together like wine and cheese. What I loved about IW with the focus on Thanos and the bleak ending is ultimately what makes Endgame so satisfying with how things are resolved, and I think they did a fine job.

The only thing that I didn't quite get leaving the cinema though, maybe this is a plothole or maybe it can be explained or maybe I just missed something... But when Hulk snapped and returned all the dead people, it was explained that "everyone will be back but its just 5 years later". I reacted at the scene towards the end when Peter Parker returned to school and his classmates were still the same age. (I know we saw Ned but same goes for Far From Home, everyone is same) Which means all of them were gone and came back, which seems a bit like a stretch? (as in what are the chances?) Maybe I missed some line about it?
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 26, 2019, 05:51:33 AM
I actually do have question, which the answer to MIGHT be considered spoilers. If you know the answer (only having seen the film) and think it's a spoiler, please PM Me the answer.

All of the press screenings have had 0 post/mid credits scenes, but no one was sure if they were holding out until an official release. So....does this movie have either of those?

I only ask cause the theater I'm going to is an hour drive from my house and I won't be getting out of the movie til close to 11pm. So if I don't have to wait til the very very end, I'd like to know. Thanks!

There is some sort of a mid-credits scene. It's not really a scene but it would be good if you stay for it, because that brought a tear to my eye.

Not in the theater I watched in.  1/2 the audience stayed right to the end.  Nuthin.
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Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2019, 06:05:03 AM
Yeah the end scene with Peter Parker, I wasn't sure if he was back in high school or in College. Because I thought it was 5 years after. I don't get if they went back 5 years after Tony's snap.
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Post by: lordxizor on April 26, 2019, 06:24:19 AM
Fun fact that I saw that changed how I saw the effects of the dusting.

If current Earth's population was halfed, it'd be like it was in the 1960's, when our population was about half of what it is now.


This is one of the big criticisms of Thanos's plan. Population increases exponentially, not linearly, so halving the population would set population growth back by less than a century. He really should have left 10% or less of the population, or magically made birth rates go down or something. But that's just a nitpicky thing.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 26, 2019, 06:56:13 AM
I understood it to be exactly as Zantera said.  Now, if Ned was 'snapped' by Thanos, that makes sense.  If not, it's kinda odd - and a timeline plot-hole.  I think Tony's snap only dusted off Thanos and his crew - Hulk's snap just brought everyone that was dusted in IW back into existence 5-years later.  I wonder 1/2 of the universe will comprehend that - only Dr. Strange really knows what's going on.

Anyhow, timeline plot-holes not-withstanding, there are a few other plot-holes I'm having trouble reconciling:
- how did Captain Marvel know exactly where to find Tony/Nebula?  Was she flying around the universe for 3 weeks?  No one that survived knew they were on Titan, so it's not like she just took a straight line from Earth to Titan.
- how did Steve return the Space and Mind gems to their rightful time that they took them, and re-insert them into the cube and sceptre?
- Peggy in 1970 would've been what ... at least 55 years old, probably in her 60s - not the way she looked when Steve creeped on her through the window (It was 1970 that they went back to to get the Pym particles and Tesseract, right?). And I thought that Tony would've been older than me.  38 in Iron Man 1??
- Where did Valkryrie get her horse from?  Where did they find all the Asgardian warriors from?

None-the-less, those minor issues aside, this was brilliant.  Perfect conclusion for all the reasons already mentioned.  Both happy and sad tears were shed.  Like, when Morgan asked Happy for cheesburgers ...  :'(  I'm not sure which moment I loved more - Thor double fisting Mjolnir and Stormbreaker; Cap wielding Mjolnir, or "Avengers .... Assemble".  I think the girl-power moment was a little over the top, but I know all the females in the theatre roared, so no biggie. 

Other random thoughts ... Tony's rant on Steve to start was just awesome; great use of Hiddleston.... all the 'cameos' really.  Stan's cameo was fantastic, and got a big roar as well.

Kinda wanted Cap to say "Before we begin, does anyone want to get out"... but Hail Hydra was way better.

Gonna be going to re-watch it on Wednesday.
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Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2019, 07:41:49 AM
I think when Cal summoned mjolnir got the biggest cheer in our theater, or when Marvel blew through Thanos' ship.
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Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2019, 07:53:15 AM
There were several awesome moments that brought the house down in my theater all mentioned here.
The one thing I really had to admire in my completely packed theater was how silent everyone was right from the get-go with the first scene and any other scene that was just dialogue. You could hear people sniffling and even whimpering at times. There was zero talking over by anyone that I could hear. It made the experience all the more amazing.

I laughed the hardest when Tony calls Thor 'Lebowski' because I was just thinking that in my head of how he looked that way and Tony says, I couldn't stop laughing for a while.
I'm going to see it in Dolby cinema next week and really can't wait.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on April 26, 2019, 08:07:53 AM
Loved it! More bittersweet than I expected, but that is certainly not a bad thing. Props to Marvel for such a great achievement. The problem is that I now have a hole to fill... And you know what would fill it? Thor in Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Please, God, make it happen!
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Post by: faizoff on April 26, 2019, 08:15:06 AM
Endgame had Hawkeye's best portrayal ever so far. I loved his role in this movie.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 26, 2019, 08:28:20 AM
Fellas... go to Google, search 'Thanos' and then click the gauntlet.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2019, 08:30:19 AM
:lol  Brilliant!

Well, as long as I can get through the work day, I'm good.  Gonna be occupied with Boy Scouts until we see it tomorrow night.  Just a little more willpower...

:ohsnap:
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Post by: Podaar on April 26, 2019, 08:30:48 AM
Fellas... go to Google, search 'Thanos' and then click the gauntlet.

Ha. That's pretty cool.

2 hours until I head to the theater. Much excite.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 26, 2019, 08:32:02 AM
Well played Google.  Well played.

They should've had 14,000,605 results.   :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on April 26, 2019, 08:37:25 AM
 :rollin

Just gotta get through the work day, then it's dinner and a movie time. And then I can finally read the spoiler thread  :lol
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 26, 2019, 10:18:44 AM
That was awesome!
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Post by: Zantera on April 26, 2019, 10:30:52 AM
Endgame had Hawkeye's best portrayal ever so far. I loved his role in this movie.

I agree and before the movie I thought Hawkeye was slightly underrated because he's a character people usually hate on. My sister even said "if anyone has to die in this movie I hope they get rid of Hawkeye". But that first scene with Hawkeye and his family was perfectly done and in about 2 minutes you perfectly got the motivation of him and you felt so sorry for him. A lot of characters were screwed over by the snap and lost people close to them, but he lost his entire family. That's gotta hurt.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 26, 2019, 10:32:50 AM
I really loved Hawkeye in this one. I really like hard edged characters and losing your whole family would certainly push me to that headspace. I'm surprised he didn't use the bow more, since its always been his thing. but still awesome none the less.
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2019, 11:01:53 AM
Movie starts in 8 hours! WOOOO

Only two more clients and supervision to get through.

My last client asked if I was a Marvel fan (he had just seen Endgame the night before). I said I was and that he BETTER not spoil a damn thing for me.
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Post by: aurorablind on April 26, 2019, 11:12:57 AM


Anyhow, timeline plot-holes not-withstanding, there are a few other plot-holes I'm having trouble reconciling:
- how did Captain Marvel know exactly where to find Tony/Nebula?  Was she flying around the universe for 3 weeks? 

That didn't bug me really. They probably had a distress-signal, she definitely knew that Thanos' homeplanet was Titan, and the snap happened on Earth. Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch, but there are way bigger plot-holes 😛
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Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2019, 11:17:34 AM
I was having fun digging at my kids a little bit last night by saying stuff like, "Hey, I saw on the Internet that there's this one cool scene where Hawkeye and Thanos--" and watching them scream and run from the room.  :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on April 26, 2019, 11:25:42 AM
I was having fun digging at my kids a little bit last night by saying stuff like, "Hey, I saw on the Internet that there's this one cool scene where Hawkeye and Thanos--" and watching them scream and run from the room.  :lol

You are evil... the sign of a good parent.  :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 26, 2019, 11:28:23 AM


Anyhow, timeline plot-holes not-withstanding, there are a few other plot-holes I'm having trouble reconciling:
- how did Captain Marvel know exactly where to find Tony/Nebula?  Was she flying around the universe for 3 weeks? 

That didn't bug me really. They probably had a distress-signal, she definitely knew that Thanos' homeplanet was Titan, and the snap happened on Earth. Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch, but there are way bigger plot-holes 😛

Fair point.  And I made the assumption that the Cap'n Marvel mid credits scene happened before she went hunting for him.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 26, 2019, 11:50:05 AM
I was having fun digging at my kids a little bit last night by saying stuff like, "Hey, I saw on the Internet that there's this one cool scene where Hawkeye and Thanos--" and watching them scream and run from the room.  :lol
:clap:
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Post by: H2 on April 26, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Saw it last night. Best sequence: Thanos gets the Stark gauntlet, Strange holds up a "1" to Tony, Tony jumps Thanos, Thanos swats him away, "I...am..inevitable," *clunk*, shot to Tony with the glowing arm..."And I.....am.............Iron Man." Chills.
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Post by: ariich on April 26, 2019, 12:18:49 PM
I was having fun digging at my kids a little bit last night by saying stuff like, "Hey, I saw on the Internet that there's this one cool scene where Hawkeye and Thanos--" and watching them scream and run from the room.  :lol
Parenting: Expert Level.
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Post by: Podaar on April 26, 2019, 03:43:09 PM
Just got back. Wow!

Loved it. Mrs. P loved it. We're going to go see it again after I have a catheter and bag installed.

Oh, and the time problem mentioned above for Peter Parker is probably not a big deal. Half his grade wouldn't be any older than him (they just got snapped back too) and would be enrolled in an appropriate level. We just need to believe that MJ, Ned, and Flash were all snapped back too to make the next movie work out.  :biggrin:
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Post by: gzarruk on April 26, 2019, 03:51:32 PM
30 minutes to go. I. CAN’T. WAIT.
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Post by: SleeperAwake on April 26, 2019, 04:00:33 PM
I saw it on Wednesday. Really enjoyed it. A remarkable wrap-up of the MCU so far. Loved that the characters who didn't get much time in Infinity War really carried Endgame. Really didn't expect them to kill off Thanos around 10 minutes in, but there were some wonderful character moments in the quiet part of the movie after that, before the more fun stuff kicked in. I have mostly positive thoughts about the film and I don't like to complain, but I have an internet connection and some time, so what the fuck?

Also, if there's one thing the internet needs, it's one more person whining about Captain Marvel. I wasn't really that interested in her solo film when it came out but went and saw it anyway because I figured it would be important to how she fits into the Avengers. I actually ended up enjoying the film far more than I thought I would, but her role in Endgame is basically that of a deus ex machina cameo. Twice. When she returned at the end I went "oh right, forgot about her... she was supposed to be in this movie too". I realize the Russos didn't have unlimited 'story real estate' with regards to plot and characters, but if she's to become an important presence in the MCU in the future it would have been nice to see some more of her and her interactions with the other characters. Why go to all the trouble of introducing her and squeezing in her origin story in between Infinity War and Endgame if this is all you do with her?


To finish on something positive: the teased-since-Ultron matter of Cap picking up Mjolnir - that was a great moment.
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Post by: Podaar on April 26, 2019, 05:05:11 PM
 One of the things I really liked about the movie, was how startlingly nasty and tough Thanos was, even without the stones. When Cap, IM, and Thor teamed up on him, he proceeded to bitch slap them into submission. It kinda took my breath away. It really setup the sequence with the Scarlet Witch too and made you appreciate her power when she tore him a new hole. Great stuff!
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2019, 05:48:26 PM
Just sat down. Previews in 12 min. Woooooo!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 26, 2019, 07:44:08 PM
The Family and I are seated and ready to go. 17 minutes.....this Theater is packed to the gills.
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Post by: axeman90210 on April 26, 2019, 07:58:54 PM
Went to a 9:30 screening last night. Roughly chronological thoughts...

Opening with Clint's family was both an effective way to bring us right back to the somber mood from the end of Infinity War and establishes why he's doing what he's doing when Nat catches up with him later on.

Killing Thanos 10 minutes in was a great curveball, and Thor's "I aimed for the head" was a great line.

The revelation that it was five years later (versus five days/weeks/months I guess) drew audible gasps from the audience.

As SleeperAwake said, there were some nice character moments in the initial scenes five years in the future.

I really enjoyed the time heist portion of the film. Some fun character pairings and revisiting of the old movies.

Cap versus Cap fight ftw.

Not sure what Loki swiping the Tesseract means for whether he can/will show up down the line in the MCU.

The only exception obviously was Clint and Nat retrieving the Soul Stone. Stomach sank as soon as I realized that those two were the ones off to Vormir. Figured it was going to be Nat who was the sacrifice because they wouldn't open with Clint losing his family and not have him get them back.

Did not expect to get a Stan Lee cameo, so really enjoyed when he popped up in New Jersey

Once they got all the stones together I was thinking how, as much as I was enjoying the movie, I was expecting something more epic. Then Thanos showed up, and he brought all the epic with him.

I don't think I have words to describe the totality of how awesomely epic the final battle as a whole was.

There were a number of cheers throughout the battle, starting with when the first of the teleportation circles that Wong and Strange opened up appeared.

Easily the biggest roar of the night, an atmosphere I've never experienced in a movie theater before, went to Cap wielding the hammer. People were losing their damn minds.

In their defense, f$%@ing Cap wielded the f$%@ing hammer!!!

The "girl power" moment didn't bother me, because there were team-ups happening all over the place

Absolutely awesome way for Tony to go out, "and I. Am. Iron Man." and then the snap.

It's amazing how quickly the theater went from feeling like a raucous party to being somber and silent enough that, if not for all the quiet sobbing, you could hear a pin drop.

I wasn't great, but I was OK at first. No tears, but a couple quiet ugly dry sobs. Then they cut to the "Proof that Tony Stark has a heart" memento and it was game over for me.

My interpretation of Cap's time travel adventure was that after returning the last of the stones instead of making his last jump back to the present (meaning post Tony's funeral) he made the jump back to the 1940s to make his date with Peggy and stayed there. Then old man Cap showed up at the right place at the right time.

I'm surprised Bucky wasn't given the mantle of the shield, but I'm not mad that Sam got it either.

Please please please give us an Asgardians of the Galaxy movie. I don't know if they'll do it because it almost feels like a demotion for Thor in some ways, but I think it would be a blast. Plus, with Asgard gone it feels like it'll be tough to give him another solo film in the future.


Overall I'm in awe of what the Russos managed to pull off between Infinity War and Endgame. The sheer scope of what they were attempting and the expectations attached to it were enormous, and I don't know that they could have done any better. While the MCU will obviously continue on, this felt like a unique pop culture experience that will be tough to ever duplicate. Essentially a conclusion to a 22 movie story arc that captivated the world. I've got a ticket to see it again tomorrow night, because not only do I want to see it again, I want to see it again with that opening weekend audience where people will be cheering along and just losing themselves in the universe that Marvel's created. There are certainly better movies that I have seen and will see in the future in terms of overall tightness of plot and capital A acting and such. But as an experience this is unrivaled.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 26, 2019, 08:19:05 PM
Only a few are talking about this, but the Vibranium shield was broken!
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Post by: jammindude on April 26, 2019, 08:29:46 PM
I have tickets (really good seats. Reserved. Bought them about 3 weeks ago) for a 3:20 show tomorrow.  The wife and I are going with our best friends, and then out to dinner.   It's going to be a great day.
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Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2019, 08:53:39 PM
I've seen the comment about Captain Marvel not being in it enough or just casually pasted in there as an afterthought, and while I see the reason behind it, I actually appreciate that they didn't involve her too much. This movie belonged to the original 6,its the climax of their story, and I'm thrilled they didn't let her steal any thunder. I think we all had a mi dset that she would be the difference between the last confrontation and this one, and whole she had an impact, it was more that the six were together in the battle instead of on two different planets like IW.
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Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2019, 08:54:25 PM
Just sat down. Previews in 12 min. Woooooo!

Yeah, about 8 of them....
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 26, 2019, 09:11:04 PM
Will Marvel be patient enough to play the long game to match this? Endgame was payoff for a decade-long effort, and I hope Marvel will bear this in mind.

I think they have to come up with a threat that is really big because these next gen - Cap Marvel, Black Panther with Wakanda, Dr. Strange, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man - are much more powerful than the original six Avengers.
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Post by: Adami on April 26, 2019, 09:12:28 PM
Woah.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 26, 2019, 09:51:03 PM
Before watching Endgame, Infinity War was my favorite movie of all time. That might've changed. Still not sure, but boy it was good.
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Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2019, 10:27:50 PM
Will Marvel be patient enough to play the long game to match this? Endgame was payoff for a decade-long effort, and I hope Marvel will bear this in mind.

I think they have to come up with a threat that is really big because these next gen - Cap Marvel, Black Panther with Wakanda, Dr. Strange, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man - are much more powerful than the original six Avengers.

Agreed, and they have years to add/develop characters acquired from Fox as well. I think as long as Feige is at the helm, they'll be just fine.
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Post by: lonestar on April 26, 2019, 10:29:27 PM
Woah.

Right? No amount of speculation could've prepared anyone for that level of epicness.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 26, 2019, 11:13:31 PM
Just got back from seeing it. Will read the thread in the morning but I just have to say...

That. Was. Incredible.

I have SO many thoughts... I can't wait to see this a second, third, fourth time - maybe even more before it leaves theaters. That was one of the best moviegoing experiences I have ever been part of. Where do we go now...?
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Post by: The Walrus on April 26, 2019, 11:17:12 PM
No spoilers, don't worry - but I feel truly sorry for the people who don't 'get' the MCU and the hype behind this, because that was one of the greatest things I've ever witnessed. That is what the movies are made for, man. I can't wait for everyone who hasn't seen it to experience the awesomeness.
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Post by: Podaar on April 27, 2019, 03:05:36 AM
I've got a ticket to see it again tomorrow night, because not only do I want to see it again, I want to see it again with that opening weekend audience where people will be cheering along and just losing themselves in the universe that Marvel's created. There are certainly better movies that I have seen and will see in the future in terms of overall tightness of plot and capital A acting and such. But as an experience this is unrivaled.

Amen.
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Post by: Polarbear on April 27, 2019, 03:49:29 AM
Less than 6 hours to go! :tup

My body is ready! :metal
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Post by: gzarruk on April 27, 2019, 06:28:20 AM
I’m still not sure if all the time travel/messing with the timeline thing makes sense entirely, but it was a surreal experience and can’t wait to watch it again before it leaves theaters :hefdaddy
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Post by: masterthes on April 27, 2019, 07:17:16 AM
Can somebody spoil the post credit scene (if there was one?)

This movie was awesome! Just incredible
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 27, 2019, 07:22:32 AM
5 hours to go and finally enjoy this last run!

Man, I can't fucking wait, I even dreamed last night with the MCU, and I was part of it lol
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Post by: aurorablind on April 27, 2019, 07:27:28 AM
No post-credit scene.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 27, 2019, 07:29:28 AM
Watched it a second time, now with my son. Still cried. Especially now that I know what will happen, Scarlet's acting now became more moving. That peanut butter sandwich scene...
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 08:28:44 AM
I'm honestly overwhelmed by the movie. So much so that I don't feel confident trying to write down all my thoughts.

I will say that I have am grateful for 2 things. 1) Avoiding all spoilers at all costs. I did NOT see this movie coming. 2) Doing my huge re-watch. It really helped me connect with every little detail of this movie.


Still not 100% sold on how Cap's story ended, but that might change when I re-watch it in 3 weeks in LA.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
Saw it with the Family last night. I really liked it. Now, I’m late to the Marvel game so I’ve not seen ‘every’ one of the movies....but I’ve watched enough YouTube recaps and had buddies and family members talk about it....I’ve seen the last few movies so I didn’t feel lost at all.

Seemed like a fitting ‘closure’ to that era of characters and it was REALLY well done. I don’t have many grips at all. My only two nit picks are the ones that have been touched on. Captain Marvel....seemed....pointless?? I know she is this super powerful person and did help defeat Thanos and kicked butt and all that but was really underwhelmed by her inclusion.

I like the idea that she was less of a focal point as this was the conclusion of the story of a lot of the ‘main’ characters.....so, having her play a prevalent role would have taken away from their ‘swan song’. A part of me wishes they’d have just not had her in the movie (or in play) at all yet. But, it really is a nit pick.

The other was the Peter Parker back in school with all his buddies 5 years later....it was a head scratcher. That’s been talked about though.


Loved how they handled Tony Starks death and how meaningful it was
I liked the Captain America reveal of him staying back and enjoying a ‘real’ life.
That final battle was awesome....especially once the portals started opening up...that was cool!!

Ton’s of cool things....will probably take the kiddos again in a week or so.....
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 27, 2019, 10:17:04 AM
Isn't Ned the only buddy of Peter who was shown in the movie?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2019, 10:18:19 AM
Isn't Ned the only buddy of Peter who was shown in the movie?

That’s all they showed.....yeah.
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Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2019, 10:22:39 AM
Ok, time for round two, in IMAX :caffeine:
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 27, 2019, 10:27:52 AM
Isn't Ned the only buddy of Peter who was shown in the movie?

That’s all they showed.....yeah.

So maybe they were both dusted. The probability is 50% anyway.
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 10:39:33 AM
Yea, but in the next Spider-Man movie, we see Zendaya and Tony Ravioli and stuff.

Also....does this mean Far From Home takes place in 2023?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2019, 11:18:52 AM
Forgot to mention that for me....the best scene of the movie is when Peter Parker shows back up and comes up to Tony....starts telling him about what happened in his ‘Peter Parker’ way....and the look Tony gives him is utterly priceless and makes the movie for me.

Incredible performance by RDJ in that moment.....
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 11:21:15 AM
Forgot to mention that for me....the best scene of the movie is when Peter Parker shows back up and comes up to Tony....starts telling him about what happened in his ‘Peter Parker’ way....and the look Tony gives him is utterly priceless and makes the movie for me.

Incredible performance by RDJ in that moment.....

Every performance is amazing. I'm actually super impressed by just about every actor's performance. There were no weak links, no lazy acting, no phoning it in or anything.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 27, 2019, 11:24:09 AM
Forgot to mention that for me....the best scene of the movie is when Peter Parker shows back up and comes up to Tony....starts telling him about what happened in his ‘Peter Parker’ way....and the look Tony gives him is utterly priceless and makes the movie for me.

Incredible performance by RDJ in that moment.....

Every performance is amazing. I'm actually super impressed by just about every actor's performance. There were no weak links, no lazy acting, no phoning it in or anything.

Agreed. It was really impressive.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 27, 2019, 11:32:06 AM
Scarlett and Jeremy's acting were especially amazing for me. I read a review somewhere that Jeremy Renner looked bored. WTF?

I love how Tony Stark did not have some corny farewell words while he was dying. He barely got a word in, and he did not have this "happy" look that some actors do when they die a heroic death.
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 11:35:11 AM
Scarlett and Jeremy's acting were especially amazing for me. I read a review somewhere that Jeremy Renner looked bored. WTF?

I love how Tony Stark did not have some corny farewell words while he was dying. He barely got a word in, and he did not have this "happy" look that some actors do when they die a heroic death.

No his death was perfect. It's not about HIM, necessarily. It's about the impact he's had on everyone else. He finally did what he wanted to do. He protected those he loved most. Now he can rest. He didn't need any last words. His actual last words "I am Iron Man" were perfect.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 27, 2019, 11:38:06 AM
I loved how ruthless and menacing Thanos was in this. He was tough in Infinity War but man he really went all out, like when he was beating down Cap and breaking his shield. And even his lines were intimidating. "What I'm about to do to your annoying planet... I'm going to enjoy very, very much." Did anyone else think he looked better, visually? Like they cranked up the special effects on him, he looked fantastic.

I of course have a crush on Brie Larson and loved everything about her in this including her fresh haircut. LOVED that she came back to wreck the crap out of Thanos's ship.

No Thanoscopter though so 2/10 wouldn't watch again
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 11:43:06 AM
Yea, the different Thanos was great. At the end of Infinity War, during his huge battles, he had already lost everything. His kids, his daughter, etc. He was a man at the very end of his journey. This Thanos hadn't lost anything. He was mid crusade and just found out he dies. He was a very different Thanos and coming at it from a very different mentality. So I thought it really made a lot of sense and was handled well.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 27, 2019, 12:05:26 PM
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26 minutes to go.  :metal

 :corn
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Post by: aurorablind on April 27, 2019, 12:51:18 PM
I just saw it a third time. The last hour is soooooo good. It's filled with so many great moments!
I think the only thing I kind of have a problem with is Professor Hulk. It's not that he was a bad character, but I really missed some great Hulk-action in this. I would have loved for him to get really pissed about Natasha having to sacrifice herself and give Thanos a good beating. I guess that moment was given to Scarlet Witch, something that was awesome, but still..
I went with my best friend this time. He isn't a big Marvel-fan, but have seen most of the movies (I've kind of forced him to  ;D ). To see him tear up was so rewarding for me. It shows that this is not just a great movie for us fans, but a great movie in general.
Man..I love this movie so much!  :heart
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Post by: Zantera on April 27, 2019, 12:59:25 PM
Yeah I also missed a little bit of Hulk being badass. I don't feel like this story really needed Captain Marvel though. Not that I dislike that movie or her, but she did come off a bit as a deus ex machina and I think for the final battle instead of her appearing out of nowhere to destroy Thanos ship, they could have had a scene when Banner was forced to give in to the Hulk 100% and he could have had a great Hulk berserker rage scene of smashing and crashing the ship.

This is really more of a minor nitpick than anything else though, I really liked Endgame.
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Post by: Polarbear on April 27, 2019, 02:13:49 PM
Complete thoughts are coming later, since I have to sleep in order to grasp at what I saw!

I did not expect Black Widow to be the one to make the heroic sacrifice. I also did not expect to see Thor fall that far after his duel with Thanos, but it made sense.

The end with everyone "walking to the stage" to fight Thanos was sheer nirvana! Tony's death scene was perfect!

Going to have to gather my thoughts but I really liked it! :tup
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Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
Just got back from my second time...and it was even better. Emotional impact was doubled for sure, partly to knowing what was happening, and partly to it being a much more involved audience this time, this crowd was on it compared to the Thursday one, probably from being IMAX today. During Nat's death it was eerily silent, and during Tony's no one was even bothering to try and hide it, there was borderline openly weeping. Much more massive cheer for the girl power moment, which I loved.

Two side notes- firstly, as it seems to me, Mantis is pretty much useless in battle, right? I mean she can put a dude or two to sleep, but with zero defensive skills she'd last about 5 seconds in such a melee before getting whacked.

Secondly, after tomorrow night, no matter what Starks bite the dust on Game of Thrones, I probably won't even be able to mention the name Stark on monday without getting at least a heavy sigh from someone.
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Post by: Zook on April 27, 2019, 03:29:47 PM
I officially can't go on youtube anymore until I see this movie. Hell, while looking for showtimes on google I think something might have been spoiled. I'm hoping to see this tomorrow morning.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 27, 2019, 03:50:04 PM
Too much epicness!!!
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 27, 2019, 03:54:57 PM
Just got back from seeing it. My thoughts, first character by character:

Captain America:
-The Cap vs Cap fight was insane. Like...I didn't know how much I needed that.
-CAP WIELDING MJOLNIR AND STORMBREAKER YASSSS THAT WAS THE BEST SCENE IN ANY MARVEL MOVIE
-"Avengers...Assemble". I knew it was coming. I still got chills.
-Cap soloing Thanos for a while, beating the ever loving crap out of him with Mijolnir and his shield, and still getting his butt whooped. There was definitely a moment where I thought "Oh no. This is it. This is where Cap dies. Not like this" Kudos to the Russo Brothers and Markus and McFeely for even allowing that expectation to exist.
-The freaking combo moves he did with Mjolnir and the shield were INCREDIBLE. And him summoning lightning??? WHAT
-The frequent callbacks to and cameos by Peggy Carter. First in the watch moments, then in that bit in the 70s, and finally in them finally shacking up in the end. I'm really happy that's how Cap's character arc ended. Honestly, it was either that or him dying and I would have been satisfied with either one.
-Passing on the shield to Falcon Sam was really touching. Was half-expecting Cap to have been Stan Lee there. A little disappointed it wasn't, but then again I think it might have been a bit much.
-The dance with Peggy at the end. Yes. So many happy tears.
-The musical callback to the First Avenger was so nice.
-"That's America's ass." Amazing.
-The Hail Hydra bit somehow being one of the best parts? It's amazing that they managed to redeem one of the most controversial comic moments.
-Cap's potty mouth was a really great way of showing his character development.

Iron Man:
-Like with Cap, this was one of the only ways his arc could have ended. There's a lot of bait and switching with our expectations on whether him or Cap was going to die, and that made his final death all the sadder.
-"I love you three thousand" at the end is what broke me. I was quietly sobbing. Even thinking about that now is making me teary eyed.
-The kid from Iron Man 3 being at the funeral was a really nice touch.
-"I am inevitable" "I am Iron Man" is up there with Cap wielding Mjolnir as one of the most awesome moments in the MCU, if not movie history.
-Speaking of which, THE THIRD SNAP. I did NOT see that coming and it was incredible.
-The fact that, for 5 years at least, Tony actually got to have his dream of settling down with a family.
-Every interaction he had with his daughter was either hilarious or sweet or a total tear jearker or all three.
-A mention of cheeseburgers somehow being one of the biggest tear jearkers in the entire franchise.
-The lightning powered laser blasts. That was SO cool.
-Nebula and Tony playing the game on the ship was hilarious.
-Also "Build a Bear". I'm really going to miss his quips.
-The comments about Cap's butt is going to write a thousand fanfictions.
-His gigantic explosion at Cap at the beginning was masterful acting.
-Also basically beginning and ending the movie with a hologram voice over of him was a nice touch.
-I don't think enough people are talking about how AWESOME it is that he a) not only invented time travel, b) fixing an alien ship he's never even seen before, and c) made a freaking INFINITY GAUNTLET. I know a lot of people complained about Shuri overshadowing Barton in the last movie, but I think this firmly established Stark as the smartest character in the MCU.

Black Widow & Hawkeye/Ronin:
-Her death was such a poignant sendoff for the character and imo the only way you could have wrapped up her character arc. It made perfect sense.
-Her being the de facto head of the Avengers during the time-skip was one of my favorite parts.
-The back and forth of who's going to sacrifice themselves at Vormir made her death all the sadder, and in a way it was darkly hilarious. Like...the whole scenario is COMPLETELY ridiculous, and yet it totally works because it manages to build so much tension in such a short period of time. That was fantastic directing.
-ScarJo was one of the MVPs of the movie acting wise, no question. She became one of my favorite characters after this movie.
-I'm also 10x more excited for the BW movie after this. Like...I want to see MORE of this character now that she's dead.
-imo this movie retroactively improved that weird Banner/Romanov relationship from AoU. It didn't really go anywhere, but honestly I think it's more impactful that it didn't. It showed that these were two completely romantically incompatible characters that would have been a hot mess together, but their mutual love was an integral part of both of their character developments and it made her death a lot more tragic. Honestly, I really liked how it was handled. It a messy, illogical, mutual attraction that never really went anywhere. That's something that happens a fair bit in real life (as listening to a lot of pop songs will tell you) and I'm happy it wasn't a "they lived happily ever after hiding the zucchini" relationship.
-Also, she got the funniest line in the movie imo. I was surprised the whole theater wasn't rolling at the "I learned quantum physics to make small talk for a mission" bit.
-The movie starting on the death of the Barton family was chill inducing. It also comes out of nowhere. There's no set-up, no pre-credits, nothing. Just the trailers end and we're on the Barton ranch. It really captured the atmosphere and horror of the snap perfectly.
-Barton's absolute terror when his family disappeared was some of the best acting in any movie period. Incredible.
-This movie proving that Romanov and Barton ARE actually useful parts of the Avengers and not having them be completely overshadowed by the dudes with powers. This movie did a great job of showing just WHY Fury had them as part of the Avengers.
-Ronin absolutely slaughtering the yakuza was not something I expected to see on the big screen. That's the level of brutality I would expect from one of the Netflix shows.
-Also, the tunnel scene with those creatures. SOOO cool.
-It's a subtle one, but I loved how confused he looks in most of this movie. He's totally out of his element, but he's just going with it because he's got a job to do. Especially in the scene with the two Nebulas in the tunnels. That was perfect.
-The "death seeker" element of his character coming into play. No matter how, he just wants to be reunited with his family. Whether that be through death or bringing them back.
-"Don't give me hope. Please." DANG
-Who would win in a hallway fight, Ronin or Dardevil?

Hulk/Banner & Thor:
-Surprisingly, Banner was the humor MVP of this movie. Almost everything out of his mouth was hilarious.
-Just the sheer amount of character development he went through off screen. It's played for laughs, but honestly it was the best way to reconcile both Hulk and Banner's character trajectories and their personalities.
-WIELDING AN INFINITY GAUNTLET. HOW WHAT
-Again, how real this made the Natasha/Bruce romance seem. Especially him throwing the bench into the lake in frustration. Such a powerful scene.
-Hulk being mad about the stairs was hilarious.
-The callback to Spider-man with Hulk lifting up the rubble was awesome
-Thor becoming a miserable alcoholic in between the movies was one of the best ways they could have handled the character honestly.
-Because of that, him summoning Mijolnir for the first time in the movie and saying "I'm still worthy" was very poignant.
-Also, him dual wielding Mijolnir and Stormbreaker was FANTASTIC.
-Korg and Meek playing Fortnite. Like...what? That was definitely the stupidest thing in this movie and I loved it.
-I like how his entire character arc in the movie was just him wanting to feel USEFUL after screwing up so royally in IW. Nothing about his character felt unbelievable in the end.
-The callback to the AoU hammer lifting scene was so nice. "I KNEW IT" indeed
-THOR JOINING THE GUARDIANS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED I'M SO HAPPY

Ant-Man:
-The scene where he first comes back from the Quantum Realm is soooo good. Like, his panic and looking for Cassie's name felt so real to me.
-Him meeting up with Cassie (now 5 years older) was the first moment I cried at during this movie.
-Paul Rudd is up there with ScarJo as one of the MVP actors of this movie. His disorientation during the part right after he escapes the Quantum Realm is so believable and not something I would have expected.
-Him going giant and PUNCHING A LEVIATHAN was sooo cool
-Also it's Paul Rudd so you know he has some of the funniest parts of this movie

Thanos:
-If there was any doubt about how threatening of a villain Thanos is after IW, there shouldn't be in this movie. He's almost completely unaffected by going toe to toe with the Big 3.
-Now, I may be crazy here, but there are moments where Thanos is wielding Stormbreaker and Mijolnir in the big battle. Does that mean he's one of the 4 characters deemed worthy?
-Thanos's complete moral breakdown was great. It honestly made him that much scarier. In IW he wanted to wipe out half the universe so they never face his over population problem, but after seeing that the survivors can't move on and flourish (this is also boosted in a blink and you'll miss it moments in GotG too, where it lists Gamora as the last survivor of her species, implying that the rest of the planet died off after his "salvation" and he never bothered to check) he just decides to wipe out the Earth and then remake the universe in his image. Dang.
-The scene at the very beginning where the past!Avengers fail for the second time. For a while, Thanos truly won.
-How absolutely calm he is during his death was great. It's also a nice mirror to the end of IW.
-I'm glad that they basically established him and Cap Marvel as equals in terms of power. It's really nice that they didn't just turn her into a Deus Ex Machina.
-Thanos realizing that the van was their ticket to removing the Infinity Stones from his reach and just chucking his sword into the quantum realm portal. Incredible, small detail.

Misc:
-The fact that this movie made about a dozen MCU movies retroactively better. THAT'S good story telling.
-JARVIS FROM AGENT CARTER APPEARING IN THE MOVIE. WE FINALLY GOT A TV SHOW/MOVIE CROSSOVER
-The girl power thing at the end was really silly, but I still loved it.
-Wanda wiping the floor with Thanos was sooo cathartic. I think she could have solo'd him right then and there if he didn't start firing on the battlefield with his ship.
-I'm in the minority here, but I actually really liked how Captain Marvel was used in this movie. She's not really a deus ex machina (there's no implication that she could've soloed Thanos and his forces, as she ultimately LOSES her one-on-one battle with Thanos once he's able to use even ONE of the Infinity Stones, and she also doesn't act as the end-all plot device when she's introduced at the beginning), she's not overbearing in this movie (her on-screen time is only 15min), and it sets up her character arc as being similar to Thor 10 years ago: she's one of the most powerful being in the universe, but she's incredibly cocky about it. I think the next Phases of the MCU are going to show her getting humbled in the same way that Thor did. I'm kinda excited about what they're going to do with her character arc going forward!
-Honestly, as much as this is a culmination and finale of everything so far, I like how it gives just enough to be excited going forward. It's boosted my interests in the upcoming Spidey, Black Widow, and GotG movies and the Disney+ shows.
-EVERY character gets a chance to shine and an awesome moment during the final battle. Except Mantis.
-The OG6 get the exact send-off they deserved. I wouldn't have changed a thing.
-War Machine and Falcon got a big boost from this movie and IW. I always felt they were very underutilized, but this movie and IW gave them both a lot of awesome and funny moments.
-THEY FINALLY REUSED THEMES FROM THE PREVIOUS MOVIES I AM SO HAPPY
-The score for this and IW are hands down the best in the MCU.

There's...there's just so much good stuff in this movie. It's almost impossible to list it all. I don't think there's than anything I actively disliked about this. Fantastic, 10/10.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 27, 2019, 05:59:48 PM
The daughter of Ant-man was like 5 years on Ant-man &Wasp movie right? and agfter 5 years she looks like 12 or 13 years old, that bothered me a bit.

Apart from that I think the movie is just perfect.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 27, 2019, 06:01:39 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/R36Nrr7/E19-CFB5-D-AE11-4337-B744-29-D22-A39-C6-A0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VgCxnn3)
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What type of movie did I came to watch? Lol
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 06:02:40 PM
The daughter of Ant-man was like 5 years on Ant-man &Wasp movie right? and agfter 5 years she looks like 12 or 13 years old, that bothered me a bit.

Apart from that I think the movie is just perfect.

I dunno about the character, but the actress was 10 years old in Ant-Man and the Wasp. Which would make her about 14 or 15 in this.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 27, 2019, 06:11:52 PM
The daughter of Ant-man was like 5 years on Ant-man &Wasp movie right? and agfter 5 years she looks like 12 or 13 years old, that bothered me a bit.

Apart from that I think the movie is just perfect.

I dunno about the character, but the actress was 10 years old in Ant-Man and the Wasp. Which would make her about 14 or 15 in this.

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10 years?!?!?! What do you americans feed your children with?
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 06:13:09 PM
Also, can anyone fill me in as to who was fighting against Thanos in the final battle? I only mean the people that came and joined the fight with the rest of the avengers.

I saw

1) The mystic arts guys
2) The surviving Asgardians
3) Wakandans
4) All the dusted

But I feel like I saw space ships and a bunch of other stuff. Did I just confuse things or were there a bunch of other groups/armies joining? It was a whole lot to take in.
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 06:14:23 PM
The daughter of Ant-man was like 5 years on Ant-man &Wasp movie right? and agfter 5 years she looks like 12 or 13 years old, that bothered me a bit.

Apart from that I think the movie is just perfect.

I dunno about the character, but the actress was 10 years old in Ant-Man and the Wasp. Which would make her about 14 or 15 in this.

(https://i.ibb.co/rvtg6jC/Captura.png)

10 years?!?!?! WHat do you american feed your childs with?

Huh...yea...she looks super young. According to the Wikipedia, she's 11 years old right now. Movie came out in 2018, so she was 10 when it came out. Maybe 9 when it was filmed. But yea, she looks younger than she is it seems.
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Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2019, 06:37:37 PM
Also, can anyone fill me in as to who was fighting against Thanos in the final battle? I only mean the people that came and joined the fight with the rest of the avengers.

I saw

1) The mystic arts guys
2) The surviving Asgardians
3) Wakandans
4) All the dusted

But I feel like I saw space ships and a bunch of other stuff. Did I just confuse things or were there a bunch of other groups/armies joining? It was a whole lot to take in.
I was paying attention to that the second time, the spaceships were all wakandan design. The rest of the peeps were what you listed.
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 06:40:38 PM
Yea, that makes sense. Just wasn't sure if I missed anything.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 27, 2019, 06:41:37 PM
There were a couple of Ravagers ships during the final battle as well
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 27, 2019, 06:47:24 PM
Will the coming Black Widow prequel finally show us Budapest?

I love how Jeremy and Scarlett acted out their excitement going on a space mission. Despite the grim circumstances, these two nunsuper powered Avengers have come far.
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 06:52:28 PM
Also, was M'Baku in that final battle? He was listed in the credits, but I didn't see him. But again, as I said, it was a whole lot to take in. I'm sure there's tons I missed.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 27, 2019, 06:59:41 PM
Given that one of the tesseract dissapeared with Loki, and knowing that Cap put one ot he other tesseract back when Tony took it, I wonder what happened to Loki in that timeline? Because he managed to escape, did Cap fixed that too?
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 27, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
Will the coming Black Widow prequel finally show us Budapest?

I love how Jeremy and Scarlett acted out their excitement going on a space mission. Despite the grim circumstances, these two nunsuper powered Avengers have come far.

The answer is, honestly, "we don't know yet". We don't know a lot about it, since it won't enter production until June of this year. It's rumored to be an origin story of sorts, with focus on her recruitment from the Soviet Union during the 90s and her early days in SHIELD. The Y2K bug is also rumored to be a plot point. Those are both RUMORS, and they may very well not be true. A lot of them turn out not to be (mY reMatCh iS coMinG i CaN feEl iT *fist bump*). It could also be the subject of the [again] RUMORED Hawkeye Disney+ series. We don't know yet.

Given that one of the tesseract dissapeared with Loki, and knowing that Cap put one ot he other tesseract back when Tony took it, I wonder what happened to Loki in that timeline? Because he managed to escape, did Cap fixed that too?

Well, time travel gets hairy usually. There seem to be two types of time-travel in the MCU: the short-term time stone travel which moves things back and forth along one time-line, and the quantum realm/AoS season 5 kind of time travel which creates parallel universes. There is likely another timeline where Loki did escape with the Tesseract and is off doing whatever (or ends up on the same path anyways). But, for the purposes of our main timeline, Loki is dead and gone. Altering the past doesn't affect the current timeline, which is a really smart way of doing it imo.
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Post by: faizoff on April 27, 2019, 07:21:40 PM
Also, was M'Baku in that final battle? He was listed in the credits, but I didn't see him. But again, as I said, it was a whole lot to take in. I'm sure there's tons I missed.
I'm quite sure I saw him in the battle.

Given that one of the tesseract dissapeared with Loki, and knowing that Cap put one ot he other tesseract back when Tony took it, I wonder what happened to Loki in that timeline? Because he managed to escape, did Cap fixed that too?
I don't know what all Cap did or which timeline he went back to return the Tesseract, I assume it's the same one he took it from. For Loki disappearing with it I think that takes on another thread on its own which many believe will be the TV show that will be on Disney+
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
I think the movie was mostly fine with the time travel. They set up their rules and largely stuck to them.

The ONLY issue I have...a bit...is old man cap. I'm not sure why old man cap was in the prime timeline. When he went back to the 40's and stayed with Peggy, that would have been an alternate timeline.

I heard someone say that maybe (all conjecture) Cap lived out his life with Peggy in that alternate timeline, and then after she died, he found a way back to the prime line and went to where he was to he could pass on the shield and not just leave them all hanging and confused. You know what? Good enough for me.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 27, 2019, 07:35:39 PM
I think the movie was mostly fine with the time travel. They set up their rules and largely stuck to them.

The ONLY issue I have...a bit...is old man cap. I'm not sure why old man cap was in the prime timeline. When he went back to the 40's and stayed with Peggy, that would have been an alternate timeline.

I heard someone say that maybe (all conjecture) Cap lived out his life with Peggy in that alternate timeline, and then after she died, he found a way back to the prime line and went to where he was to he could pass on the shield and not just leave them all hanging and confused. You know what? Good enough for me.

There are two explanations:

1) Cap still had the shrinky dinky suit, so he used that as Old Man America to travel to the Primeline and pass on his mantle.
2) Cap going back in time created a stable time loop type deal, where there were always two Caps in the world up until 2023. Restoring the Infinity Stones did a "restore the timeline" type thing, according to Banner and the Sorcerer Supreme. Peggy Carter mentions having moved on with someone and having kids in one of the Captain America movies.

Thinking about either makes my brain hurt. The best way to deal with time travel stories is not to think about them.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 27, 2019, 09:09:54 PM
So, APPARENTLY, Howard the Duck showed up through one of those portals at the end battle. He's to the right, behind Hope.
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Post by: Adami on April 27, 2019, 09:15:39 PM
So, APPARENTLY, Howard the Duck showed up through one of those portals at the end battle. He's to the right, behind Hope.

Well now their victory makes sense.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 27, 2019, 09:44:36 PM
So, APPARENTLY, Howard the Duck showed up through one of those portals at the end battle. He's to the right, behind Hope.

That's amazing. Seriously?! I'm keeping an eye out for that next time
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Post by: lonestar on April 27, 2019, 10:08:14 PM
Shut the hell up.... that's so awesome. I wonder how many other tidbit characters snuck into that scene.


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Post by: gzarruk on April 27, 2019, 10:58:59 PM
I have a few other issues with the time travel aspect of it. If present Nebula killed the evil version of herself from the past, wouldn’t that erase her from existence? Same goes to past Thanos and his army, if their past versions were killed, there would never be an original attack in the first place, they would end up messing the timeline even worse. What happened to past Gamora?

The only explainer I can come up with is that Tony’s snap didn’t *kill* them, but rather sent them all back to their timeline with no memories of it (that would include bringing past Nebula back). Any thoughts on this?
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Post by: The Walrus on April 27, 2019, 11:36:55 PM
They explain during the movie that's not how time travel rules work here.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 28, 2019, 12:18:09 AM
Yep, it's not Back to the Future rules in the MCU. Traveling back in time is actually a future, so it just results to multiple timelines.

Do they really need the quantum tunnel to go back to the past? Tony and Cap improvising really got me thinking about that, as this might hold the key about old Cap. I think old Cap grew old in a different timeline, because the shield he gave Sam is still whole.
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Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2019, 12:20:12 AM
Yup... "You mean Back to the Future is complete bullshit??"  :lol


I was curious about what happened to Gamora though, in the final scene on the ship with Thor and the other Guardians, the first thing Quill is looking at is her on the screen looking very similar to the picks of those snapped in the beginning scenes, and he wipes it away real quickly. I'd like to get a longer look at that shot, probably give some deep info on what's happening/going to happen.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 28, 2019, 12:24:39 AM
I think Gamora was snapped by Tony. He did not know that there was a good Gamora running around so he most likely just thought of everybody who came from 2014.

Thanos:
-Now, I may be crazy here, but there are moments where Thanos is wielding Stormbreaker and Mijolnir in the big battle. Does that mean he's one of the 4 characters deemed worthy?

I don't remember Thanos wielding Mjolnir, only Strombreaker. Thor was so happy when Mjolnir came to him because it meant he is still worthy. I think this means that Stormbreaker does not need somebody to be worthy to be wielded, it does not hve that Asgardian enchantment.
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Post by: ErHaO on April 28, 2019, 05:08:22 AM
Given that one of the tesseract dissapeared with Loki, and knowing that Cap put one ot he other tesseract back when Tony took it, I wonder what happened to Loki in that timeline? Because he managed to escape, did Cap fixed that too?

I just assumed they planned a whole extensive mission, including how to get the stones into their former state. But that could've been a film on it's own.

Some timelines are definitely permanently affected, with Thanos and his army and Nebula/Gamora being gone and all. Can't fix that.

But from the Ancient One's reaction and Dr Strange his remarks, I think almost every timeline was fucked with Thanos being "inevitable" as he himself put it. That is why they both gave away the timestone to create/save the one the viewers are following.

Yep, it's not Back to the Future rules in the MCU. Traveling back in time is actually a future, so it just results to multiple timelines.

Do they really need the quantum tunnel to go back to the past? Tony and Cap improvising really got me thinking about that, as this might hold the key about old Cap. I think old Cap grew old in a different timeline, because the shield he gave Sam is still whole.

It isn't said or explained, but I think Hank Pym timetravel (tech) may be different to timestone timetravel (magic). Maybe Cap got some help of the Ancient One back in New York, he did bring the stone to here after all.
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Post by: aurorablind on April 28, 2019, 07:40:32 AM
643 million dollars worldwide were FRIDAY estimates. 156 million domestic on friday. That's 30 million more than Shazam have earned in its entirety. This may break a billion dollars worldwide the first weekend..it's total insanity  :lol
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:23:11 AM
So I have to point out two minor issues I had at the end of the film.

1) Cap's future self. I really love the story of it. I just felt like it was REALLY rushed. Sam just finds him, has no reaction, is totally cool with it and everyone moves on. Feels like we needed a few more minutes to explore the weight of this action.
2) Tony's funeral. That shot of all the people. I feel like you got a few of the actors there and then a bunch of stand ins, followed by CGing the rest of the actors over the doubles and it just feels..........off. Did anyone else notice this?
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2019, 08:45:19 AM
Do you think they’ve left the possibility of a ‘Captain America’ movie that A) Either explains the delivery of the stones back to their proper locations in time? Say, it didn’t go ‘smoothly’ or B) While living his life of peace and ‘normalcy’ he still has to take part in one ‘last’ adventure?

Or are they just gonna call it even?
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Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2019, 08:50:17 AM
The shots at Tony's funeral looked totally fine to me
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:51:22 AM
Do you think they’ve left the possibility of a ‘Captain America’ movie that A) Either explains the delivery of the stones back to their proper locations in time? Say, it didn’t go ‘smoothly’ or B) While living his life of peace and ‘normalcy’ he still has to take part in one ‘last’ adventure?

Or are they just gonna call it even?

Honestly, I don't see us getting that specific movie. Chris Evans will not be getting his own movie again. Will he cameo as old man cap? Maybe. But that story, of him delivering the stones, was just a plot device to give him the emotional closure we got. So I don't see that it'll serve a purpose. If they want a fun adventure movie, they can do a different one with a different character.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 28, 2019, 08:57:30 AM
So I have to point out two minor issues I had at the end of the film.

1) Cap's future self. I really love the story of it. I just felt like it was REALLY rushed. Sam just finds him, has no reaction, is totally cool with it and everyone moves on. Feels like we needed a few more minutes to explore the weight of this action.
2) Tony's funeral. That shot of all the people. I feel like you got a few of the actors there and then a bunch of stand ins, followed by CGing the rest of the actors over the doubles and it just feels..........off. Did anyone else notice this?

I mean...Black Widow gets e-mails from a raccoon. I'm not sure anyone in the MCU can be surprised by anything at this point.

Do you think they’ve left the possibility of a ‘Captain America’ movie that A) Either explains the delivery of the stones back to their proper locations in time? Say, it didn’t go ‘smoothly’ or B) While living his life of peace and ‘normalcy’ he still has to take part in one ‘last’ adventure?

Or are they just gonna call it even?

Chris Evans seems to be 100% done with his role as Captain America, and is ready to move on to directing. I think this is the absolute last time we'll see Captain America outside of reused footage.
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 08:59:37 AM
Not the shock, but the emotional weight of no more cap. I just wanted 5 more minutes of that. Felt a bit rushed is all.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on April 28, 2019, 09:25:33 AM
Speaking of that moment.....with the changing of the Guard of Captain America to 'the Falcon'....or Sam Wilson....wasn't the whole premise behind Captain America that he had super human qualities...strength...etc etc. Does Falcon have that? Seems like to me he's more or less ordinary?
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Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2019, 09:31:59 AM
I think Cap's sendoff was sorta tricky to pull off when he didn't die in the movie like Tony did. I think it was an easier wrap up for Tony with the funeral and other cameos (which I thought was really well done). But for Cap they had to tie off the story with the stones and then give him a proper sendoff, which I think was much harder to emotionally encompass right after an epic battle and Tony dying. So yeah it probably didn't flow as well but that probably was the best way to do it.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 28, 2019, 09:33:01 AM
Speaking of that moment.....with the changing of the Guard of Captain America to 'the Falcon'....or Sam Wilson....wasn't the whole premise behind Captain America that he had super human qualities...strength...etc etc. Does Falcon have that? Seems like to me he's more or less ordinary?

If I understand what they're going for, then I guess Captain America is merely a title, but... you're right. Sam has no superpowers, he just has military grade weaponry. He's like War Machine but more agile. Then again if The Captain America thought he was worthy to hold the shield, well, there ya go. But I agree.

I also agree, I think this is the last time we see Chris Evans, however I just thought of something - it would be cool if, since Stan Lee (RIP) is no longer with us, maybe old Avengers could make Stan Lee-sized cameos. Very brief stuff. I would like to see old Cap having coffee for a quick second in a future film :P
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 28, 2019, 10:12:16 AM
That's a cool idea Katt.

The shots at Tony's funeral looked totally fine to me

ditto

I wish they'd given the mantel of Captain America to Bucky, but I understand why it was given to Sam ... I mean, Anthony Mackie.

I'm trying to not think too hard about the Cap-epilogue, because if I do, there are a LOT of holes in it.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 28, 2019, 10:39:15 AM
Speaking of that moment.....with the changing of the Guard of Captain America to 'the Falcon'....or Sam Wilson....wasn't the whole premise behind Captain America that he had super human qualities...strength...etc etc. Does Falcon have that? Seems like to me he's more or less ordinary?

If I understand what they're going for, then I guess Captain America is merely a title, but... you're right. Sam has no superpowers, he just has military grade weaponry. He's like War Machine but more agile. Then again if The Captain America thought he was worthy to hold the shield, well, there ya go. But I agree.

It's an idea taken from the comic books:

(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/2/20/544e9948678e7/portrait_uncanny.jpg)
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Post by: masterthes on April 28, 2019, 10:55:46 AM
But didn't Mackie say he was done with the MCU?
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 11:03:46 AM
Haven't seen Mackie say that.


I'm happy with Sam being Cap. Bucky, while the original choice in the comics, doesn't seem to be the right guy in the MCU. He was not too long ago the worlds most wanted man for murder. He killed the Stark parents. He has a LOT of trauma to work through. If he became cap, other than being from the comics, it wouldn't have made as much sense. Sam, on the other hand, is a good hearted soldier, personally groomed by Steve. He's the right guy. He'll be a very different Captain America, which I think works in his favor.

I still wish the movie had been 5-10 min longer and given cap a more deserving send off. The idea was genius, but could have been expanded upon a bit. Ah well. Doesn't tarnish my enjoyment. Excited to see it again in 3 weeks. Hoping to get tickets to see in IMAX in the Chinese theater in LA. Go big or go home.
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Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2019, 11:55:45 AM

I'm trying to not think too hard about the Cap-epilogue, because if I do, there are a LOT of holes in it.

Pretty much any aspect of the film can have holes if we overthink it, but again, emails from raccoons bro, emails from raccoons.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 28, 2019, 12:02:59 PM
I would have done the same being Cap.

(https://i.ibb.co/5k0h64x/D5-Lq-Hx-ZW4-AAFMN4.jpg)
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Post by: lonestar on April 28, 2019, 12:25:29 PM
Scrolling past her pic to the Neal Morse gif in your sig is just priceless :lol
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 28, 2019, 01:10:18 PM
Scrolling past her pic to the Neal Morse gif in your sig is just priceless :lol

LOL  :rollin
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 28, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
Interesting video explainig the time travel thing:

https://twitter.com/thisisinsider/status/1122485621048504320
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 01:37:10 PM
So Endgame has made (as of this post to my knowledge) 1.2 billion dollars worldwide and 350 million domestically. That is just insane.

So I'm pretty excited to see what the plans for Phase 4 are since I believe Kevin said Far From Home will close out Phase 3.

All we know so far is Black Widow movie, Eternals, Guardians 3.......I think they announced Shang Chi?

I don't think any other movies have been confirmed. I am ignoring rumors for the moment. Any idea when they will announced phase 4? I assume it'll be close to Fall of this year.
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Post by: faizoff on April 28, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
Wasn't Black Panther 2 also semi confirmed/not a rumor? Because I thought Black Widow movie was in the same category. In any case I haven't heard much at all regarding phase 4 other than GOTG 3.
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Post by: Phoenix87x on April 28, 2019, 02:29:14 PM
I wonder if in Phase 4, at some point they start introducing X-men into things
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 02:30:02 PM
I wonder if in Phase 4, at some point they start introducing X-men into things

They said not for 5 years at least.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 28, 2019, 03:56:47 PM
Phase 4 movies:

Black Widow (Dir: Cate Shortland, Wr: Jac Schaeffer (Captain Marvel, WandaVision)/Ned Benson (rewrites), production starts in June, rumored to be a prequel set in the 90s and 00s and features Y2K)
The Eternals (Dir: Chloe Zhao , Wr: Matthew K. Firpo, Ryan Firpo, stars Angelina Jolie as Sersi)
Doctor Strange 2 (same writer and director as 1, will feature Nightmare)
Black Panther 2 (Ryan Coogler writing and directing again)
Shang-Chi (Dir: Destin Daniel Cretton, Wr: David Callaham (worked on Ant-Man))
GotG vol. 3 (James Gunn returning, pre-production starts after he finishes Suicide Squad)

Spin-offs:
WandaVison (Jac Schaeffer as showrunner, starts production in Fall 2019, 6hrs)
Falcon & Winter Soldier (Michael Spellman as showrunner, will premiere within first year of Disney+)
Loki (Michael Waldron as showrunner, will premiere within second year of Disney+)
Hawkeye (will center around Kate Bishop, little to no confirmed info)
What If? (animated series, first episode centers around what if Peggy Carter got the super serum. Chris Evans and Haley Atwell will return for the first episode at least)
New Warriors (very unclear information outside of cast, in limbo currently)
Damage Control (Ben Carlin as showrunner, centers around the MCU "post-superhero battle clean-up"company of the same name, also in limbo)
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 04:31:31 PM
I'm pretty sure both New Warriors and Damage Control are dead.

As far as the movies go, I can't find how many (if any) were officially announced by Marvel, as opposed to other people in the industry. While they're all pretty obvious, I'm pretty excited to see what Marvel officially announces, hopefully in the next 5-6 months.
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Post by: Dream Team on April 28, 2019, 06:35:24 PM
Ok, that was GUT-WRENCHING. Cried twice. Pissed the Hulk didn’t get in any payback licks on Thanos. No time to go into more detail right now. One question though, what happened to Gamora?
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 06:35:52 PM
Ok, that was GUT-WRENCHING. Cried twice. Pissed the Hulk didn’t get in any payback licks on Thanos. No time to go into more detail right now. One question though, what happened to Gamora?

Why happened to Gamora?
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Post by: Dream Team on April 28, 2019, 06:40:31 PM
 :lol Actually another guestion, fat Thor stole 2014’s Thor hammer. Ramifications?
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Post by: Adami on April 28, 2019, 06:41:25 PM
:lol Actually another guestion, fat Thor stole 2014’s Thor hammer. Ramifications?

Cap took it when he went back in time to put everything back.

And again, all ramifications would be in other timelines.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 28, 2019, 08:35:00 PM
I’m pretty sure they’ll also make a Young Avengers movie at some point.
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Post by: Dream Team on April 28, 2019, 09:20:38 PM
It’s really sad that (just one example) Downey’s fantastic work these past 11 years is mostly looked down upon or ignored by the majority of the Academy’s members. Tons of great acting in the MCU and people view it as low-brow trash.

Loved the movie of course, but a couple things just felt rushed and inevitably so because of the immense amount of character threads they were trying to tie up. Also: in IW Thor easily gives Thanos a critical injury WHILE Thanos had all 6 stones, yet in Endgame Thor armed with Stormbreaker and Mjilnor plus help couldn’t touch Thanos while he had zero stones. Granted, Thor was fat and out of fighting practice but still . . .

For the soul stone, I thought someone had to literally sacrifice someone else, not leap to their death? Just stream of consciousness as I reflect on what I just saw. Definitely many of the coolest moments in MCU history were in this movie, many with Cap who I’m REALLY gonna miss, loved that character and Evans was fantastic.

Feel a little bad for Sebastian Stan, the guy had almost no lines for the entire 2 movies (actually same with Mackie) but at least those guys have more movies ahead of them.

So Cap had one hell of a final mission: get the aether back into Jane Foster, hand the soul stone back to his old enemy Red Skull, etc  :lol

I’ll see it at least one more time in the theater, but man this marks an end of an era for me  :sadpanda:

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Post by: gzarruk on April 28, 2019, 10:09:27 PM
But didn't Mackie say he was done with the MCU?

Didn't they announce a Disney+ series for Falcon (Cap Falcon?) and Bucky? I remember reading that somewhere, but am too tired/lazy to google it atm.

One question though, what happened to Gamora?

Most likely she was dusted with Thanos and the rest of his army. Tony didn't know she had turned good and probably just thought of dusting everyone who traveled through time with Thanos.

Speaking of that moment.....with the changing of the Guard of Captain America to 'the Falcon'....or Sam Wilson....wasn't the whole premise behind Captain America that he had super human qualities...strength...etc etc. Does Falcon have that? Seems like to me he's more or less ordinary?

If I understand what they're going for, then I guess Captain America is merely a title, but... you're right. Sam has no superpowers, he just has military grade weaponry. He's like War Machine but more agile. Then again if The Captain America thought he was worthy to hold the shield, well, there ya go. But I agree.

It's an idea taken from the comic books:

(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/2/20/544e9948678e7/portrait_uncanny.jpg)

Yes, but that's from the most recent comics, aka the all new, all politically correct, all inclusive and all diverse Marvel comics (not saying that's necesarilly a bad thing, btw). Bucky took the mantle of Cap America waaay before Sam in the comics, and it would've been a perfect redemption arc for the character.

Something I was talking today with my girlfriend and a friend of ours is how Endgame feels like the end for the MCU in a lot of ways and how the upcoming movies and characters don't excite us as much as they did before. Maybe we're just used to the previous "normal" and Endgame shattered all that, and with time we'll get used to the new MCU, but we feel like some of the character decisions and directions they took with many things weren't necesarilly the best ones. Time will tell.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 29, 2019, 05:01:24 AM
For the soul stone, I thought someone had to literally sacrifice someone else, not leap to their death?

jingle.kids and I were wondering about this.  In the end though, Hawkeye did let Nat go.  Although, for 1/2 a second, I was thinking Clint would open his hand, and nothing be there.  That would've sucked.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 06:59:22 AM
So when they send Cap back to put the stones back, er... how does that work? Does he just inject the aether back into Jane? How does one 'give back' the soul stone? How do you put the space stone back in the tesseract?

And I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but... Thanos did the snap in Africa in the middle of the day, so why then did we see Hawkeye and Ant-Man's dusting scenes happen in broad daylight in the USA? worst movie ever 0/10 so many glaring issues
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Post by: Lonk on April 29, 2019, 07:05:22 AM
Sorry if it has been posted, but has anyone played around with the Google.com Easter egg?

If you google search "Thanos", a small infinity gauntlet will appear on the right side of the screen. If you click on it, half of your google search will disappear, and if you click on it again, they all come back XD

Thought that was a cool.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 29, 2019, 07:19:46 AM
OK, I have watched the movie twice now, and I am thinking that the battle with Thanos and all the ASSEMBLED team feels short, I know the movie it's already long by the time the batytle happens, but I would like to see more of it and less explanation of how the things evolved to get the stones.
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Post by: Orbert on April 29, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
Went and saw it yesterday with the wife and son.  I thought it was good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 09:29:53 AM
Excerpt from a Fox News article on Endgame's unbelievable success:

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Disney now holds all but one of the top 12 box-office openings of all time. (Universal's "Jurassic World" is the lone exception.) The studio is poised for a record-breaking year, with releases including "Aladdin," ''Toy Story 4," ''The Lion King," ''Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker" and "Frozen 2" on the horizon.

Following its acquisition of 20th Century Fox, Disney is expected to account for at least 40% of domestic box-office revenue in 2019, a new record of market share. The company's "Captain Marvel" — positioned as a kind of Marvel lead-in to "Endgame" — also rose to No. 2 on the weekend, eight weeks after it opened.

That's rather concerning when they put it into perspective like that. 11 out of 12 top box-office openings of all time are now all Disney. They'll be making billions off their 2019 releases alone. At least 40% of this year's domestic box office revenue. Jesus.

I don't really have a problem with Disney releasing blockbuster films but it's pretty startling to see just how much of the market they're dominating now.

Now take a look at this. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_box_office_records_set_by_Avengers:_Endgame) Less than a week after release, look at the records Endgame has set, and just how far ahead it is compared to the films it overthrew. "Highest opening weekend gross   $1.209 billion[2]   Avengers: Infinity War – $640 million[2]" Insane!!
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 29, 2019, 09:41:43 AM
For the soul stone, I thought someone had to literally sacrifice someone else, not leap to their death?

jingle.kids and I were wondering about this.  In the end though, Hawkeye did let Nat go.  Although, for 1/2 a second, I was thinking Clint would open his hand, and nothing be there.  That would've sucked.

The Red Skull said a sacrifice is needed but not that one has to kill deliberately the sacrifice to get the stone. His exact words "In order to take the stone, you must lose that which you love. A soul for a soul."

So when they send Cap back to put the stones back, er... how does that work? Does he just inject the aether back into Jane? How does one 'give back' the soul stone? How do you put the space stone back in the tesseract?

They don't need to literally make sure that the point where they got the stones is recreated as if nothing happened. The purpose of returning the stones in that timeline is to make sure that the stomes are complete in that timeline so that time would flow.

And I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but... Thanos did the snap in Africa in the middle of the day, so why then did we see Hawkeye and Ant-Man's dusting scenes happen in broad daylight in the USA? worst movie ever 0/10 so many glaring issues

Dudr, the time difference between Wakamda and US East Coast is just 7 hours. If Thanos snaps at 3 PM, it's 8 AM IN New York. Don't tell me the sun is not up at that time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 29, 2019, 09:44:47 AM
So I spent the last few weeks trying to catch up on MCU movies (and some non MCU movies). Finally saw Homecoming (which was so much better than I expected) and watched half of Antman and Wasp (fell asleep.. oh well). I also finally saw Deadpool 2 and Last Jedi but this isn't the thread for that.

Now all I am missing is Captain Marvel. I have tickets to see Endgame tonight for my birthday. Had tickets to see Marvel last night... but something came up and wasn't able to go. So we tried to get tickets for a really late showing last night, but that same thing prevented us from going. I've heard that seeing Captain Marvel before Endgame isn't 100% necessary. Is this true? 
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 09:50:33 AM
Excerpt from a Fox News article on Endgame's unbelievable success:

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Disney now holds all but one of the top 12 box-office openings of all time. (Universal's "Jurassic World" is the lone exception.) The studio is poised for a record-breaking year, with releases including "Aladdin," ''Toy Story 4," ''The Lion King," ''Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker" and "Frozen 2" on the horizon.

Following its acquisition of 20th Century Fox, Disney is expected to account for at least 40% of domestic box-office revenue in 2019, a new record of market share. The company's "Captain Marvel" — positioned as a kind of Marvel lead-in to "Endgame" — also rose to No. 2 on the weekend, eight weeks after it opened.

That's rather concerning when they put it into perspective like that. 11 out of 12 top box-office openings of all time are now all Disney. They'll be making billions off their 2019 releases alone. At least 40% of this year's domestic box office revenue. Jesus.

I don't really have a problem with Disney releasing blockbuster films but it's pretty startling to see just how much of the market they're dominating now.

Now take a look at this. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_box_office_records_set_by_Avengers:_Endgame) Less than a week after release, look at the records Endgame has set, and just how far ahead it is compared to the films it overthrew. "Highest opening weekend gross   $1.209 billion[2]   Avengers: Infinity War – $640 million[2]" Insane!!

Well, yes and no. Fox owned some of those top spots that Disney acquired. So while they own them (like Avatar), they aren't making money off of them right now. They will for the sequels though. And even though Fox international did Titanic, I believe it was Paramount who did it domestic. So that's a bit iffy.

Also I don't know who owns the rights to Gone with the Wind, but I doubt any movie will top that one.

But yea, even not counting that stuff, Disney put out most of the top 10. Also the Russos (I believe) are the first directors to have 3 movies hit a billion.
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Post by: Lonk on April 29, 2019, 09:53:01 AM
And I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but... Thanos did the snap in Africa in the middle of the day, so why then did we see Hawkeye and Ant-Man's dusting scenes happen in broad daylight in the USA? worst movie ever 0/10 so many glaring issues

Dudr, the time difference between Wakamda and US East Coast is just 7 hours. If Thanos snaps at 3 PM, it's 8 AM IN New York. Don't tell me the sun is not up at that time.

I would also assume the effects of the snap happened at different times around the planet/universe. In the end credits we see what happened to Fury and it was daylight. Same with Antman.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 10:06:24 AM
So when they send Cap back to put the stones back, er... how does that work? Does he just inject the aether back into Jane? How does one 'give back' the soul stone? How do you put the space stone back in the tesseract?

They don't need to literally make sure that the point where they got the stones is recreated as if nothing happened. The purpose of returning the stones in that timeline is to make sure that the stomes are complete in that timeline so that time would flow.

But that's my point. WHERE is he returning them to, and again, what do you do with the Soul Stone? I understand the purpose of returning them but like... how?

And I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but... Thanos did the snap in Africa in the middle of the day, so why then did we see Hawkeye and Ant-Man's dusting scenes happen in broad daylight in the USA? worst movie ever 0/10 so many glaring issues

Dudr, the time difference between Wakamda and US East Coast is just 7 hours. If Thanos snaps at 3 PM, it's 8 AM IN New York. Don't tell me the sun is not up at that time.

Hawkeye's family went out for a picnic at 8 AM and they're having their hot dog lunch at 8 AM? Ant-Man, Pym, and Hope are standing on a roof at high noon, that sure doesn't look like 8 AM to me.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 29, 2019, 10:07:13 AM
So I spent the last few weeks trying to catch up on MCU movies (and some non MCU movies). Finally saw Homecoming (which was so much better than I expected) and watched half of Antman and Wasp (fell asleep.. oh well). I also finally saw Deadpool 2 and Last Jedi but this isn't the thread for that.

Now all I am missing is Captain Marvel. I have tickets to see Endgame tonight for my birthday. Had tickets to see Marvel last night... but something came up and wasn't able to go. So we tried to get tickets for a really late showing last night, but that same thing prevented us from going. I've heard that seeing Captain Marvel before Endgame isn't 100% necessary. Is this true?

Totally true.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 29, 2019, 10:42:47 AM
Yes, but that's from the most recent comics, aka the all new, all politically correct, all inclusive and all diverse Marvel comics (not saying that's necesarilly a bad thing, btw). Bucky took the mantle of Cap America waaay before Sam in the comics, and it would've been a perfect redemption arc for the character.

Bucky does not deserve to carry that shield, if only to honor Howard Stark's memory. Yes, he was not in control of himself, but he still killed the one who made the shield. Also in the comic books, Bucky became Captain America when Steve "died." Sam Wilson, on the other hand, was picked by Steve to be his replacement when he was aged into an old man (sounds familiar?).

Oh, and the turn to black heroes is not a recent thing. Have you read The Crew, aka the non-white Avengers? That was way back 2003, very very good short-lived comic that featured Josiah X, the son of the original Captain America.

Hawkeye's family went out for a picnic at 8 AM and they're having their hot dog lunch at 8 AM? Ant-Man, Pym, and Hope are standing on a roof at high noon, that sure doesn't look like 8 AM to me.

So let's move the snap to 5PM, Clint's family disappear at 10AM, while the Pyms disappear at 8AM. Do movies really have to shoot at the exact time of day that they need to? That amount of realism? The point is, they could all happen with daylight in all places.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 29, 2019, 11:15:50 AM
So when they send Cap back to put the stones back, er... how does that work? Does he just inject the aether back into Jane? How does one 'give back' the soul stone? How do you put the space stone back in the tesseract?

They don't need to literally make sure that the point where they got the stones is recreated as if nothing happened. The purpose of returning the stones in that timeline is to make sure that the stomes are complete in that timeline so that time would flow.

But that's my point. WHERE is he returning them to, and again, what do you do with the Soul Stone? I understand the purpose of returning them but like... how?

And I can't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but... Thanos did the snap in Africa in the middle of the day, so why then did we see Hawkeye and Ant-Man's dusting scenes happen in broad daylight in the USA? worst movie ever 0/10 so many glaring issues

Dudr, the time difference between Wakamda and US East Coast is just 7 hours. If Thanos snaps at 3 PM, it's 8 AM IN New York. Don't tell me the sun is not up at that time.

Hawkeye's family went out for a picnic at 8 AM and they're having their hot dog lunch at 8 AM? Ant-Man, Pym, and Hope are standing on a roof at high noon, that sure doesn't look like 8 AM to me.

iirc IW takes place during spring/summer. If it's 11AM/12PM at Barton Ranch, it could be 6PM/7PM at Wakanda. Both could be easily be during the day during the summer. Here in Florida, I've seen sunsets as late as 8PM, so it's not totally implausible.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 11:17:32 AM
Sunsets, yes. I see no indication in IW of the sun setting anytime soon. Of course, I've never been to Africa either :)

Just a minor thought, I think it's just oversight, I don't really buy the time change thing, it just doesn't line up imo. But, like, that's the level my complaints are: nitpicks, nothing more, no actual impact on the enjoyment of the film. Just a "huh" moment.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
Agreed.  You'll be fine.  There's a bit of a cool payoff visually for one particular scene, but you'll kind of still get that, only in reverse by seeing them in reverse order.
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 29, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
So I spent the last few weeks trying to catch up on MCU movies (and some non MCU movies). Finally saw Homecoming (which was so much better than I expected) and watched half of Antman and Wasp (fell asleep.. oh well). I also finally saw Deadpool 2 and Last Jedi but this isn't the thread for that.

Now all I am missing is Captain Marvel. I have tickets to see Endgame tonight for my birthday. Had tickets to see Marvel last night... but something came up and wasn't able to go. So we tried to get tickets for a really late showing last night, but that same thing prevented us from going. I've heard that seeing Captain Marvel before Endgame isn't 100% necessary. Is this true?

Yes. You can safely skip The Incredible Hulk, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel before seeing this movie. BP is more important for IW (and even then), and Captain Marvel only serves to add more context to a single scene in Endgame and introduce the character and her powers. I still recommend you watch them tho because they're great. I still haven't seen Hulk. It's not that important in the broader MCU.

Necessary films prior to Endgame:
Iron Man 1*, 2, 3
Captain America 1*, 2*, 3*
Thor 1*, 2*, 3*
Avengers 1*, 2*, 3*
Ant-Man 1*, 2*
Guardians of the Galaxy 1*, 2
Doctor Strange*
Spider-man Homecoming

*Absolutely necessary, but this movie DOES assume that you've seen everything but Hulk so I do recommend having seen all of them.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2019, 01:20:05 PM
Saw this Saturday night.  Fantastic movie.  The whole family loved it.  I hate making claims like this so soon after seeing it, but I feel like it is probably the best in the franchise. 

The initial killing of Thanos was so unexpected and came so early in the film.  I'm glad it wasn't even hinted at in any of the trailers.

Thor was fantastic.  My daughter could not stop laughing when they were showing him walking with the other Avengers in their quantum suits to go begin the time heist.

As soon as they came up with the plan and said what they were going to so, I knew somebody was going to die on Vormir.  When I saw that it was Widow and Ronin that went there, I knew one of them wasn't coming back.  During the entire Vormir sequence, I wasn't sure which one.  But as soon as she died, I realized that it HAD TO be her.  They wouldn't have set Barton up in the very beginning of the film if he wasn't going to live and return to his family.  But still, I was on the edge of my seat trying to figure out which one of them would live and which would die. 

Speaking of Barton, I loved the creepy Aliens callback in the tunnel with the outriders.

Thanos was ruthless, and I loved it.

Cap in the final battle was amazing.  I don't know how this could have been done any better. 

I just had so much fun.  I really want to see it in the theater again, if possible.  Not sure time will allow it, but we'll see.  I was surprised at how quiet my theater was for most of the film.  There were lots of little nods to other films where I would smile and softly laugh.  I expected cheers at those moments, but not a peep.

Also, I found this regarding the supposed "plot hole" of Cap going back to live out his days with Peggy:  https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2019/04/29/the-avengers-endgame-plot-hole-is-not-really-a-plot-hole-at-all-spoilers/#22a7940919e3
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Post by: Lonk on April 29, 2019, 01:31:05 PM
Bosk, I think you shared the wrong link.

But it was similar for me, people were very quiet at my showing (despite me getting smacked in the head by a 5 year old behind me). The only loud part was Cap picking up Mjolnir.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 29, 2019, 01:35:45 PM
Considering Deloitte is my customer, I was very interested and curious to see how their Workforce of the Future Study addressed Cap living out his days with Peggy.   :rollin
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Post by: lordxizor on April 29, 2019, 01:42:39 PM
Like most of you, I thought it was great! I want to see it again, but won't be able to until next weekend at the earliest. A large part of what made it great was the 8-10 times the audience burst out cheering. Not sure if it will be the same without everyone there seeing it for the first time together.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
That's odd.  I fixed it.

A couple of other observations:

-I make no bones about the fact that I really like Iron Man III.  It has its issues.  But overall, it's a really strong movie, and it has so many great moments.  One of those moments is when Tony's house gets destroyed.  It's one thing to fight the bad guys out on some pre-determined "battlefield."  It's another thing entirely when they just show up and make your home into ground zero.  That feels like a much more personal violation.  In that moment, Tony's and Pepper's personal lives--not Tony's "superhero life"--were being violated.  And it all happened with such sudden, brutal, thorough violence that that just added to that feeling.  Granted, it's a little different when the bad guys show up at "superhero headquarters."  But when Thanos arrived just after Hulk's snap and did the same thing, it really felt to me like a callback to that moment in IM III, and it totally worked for me.  Perhaps it was so effective because it came so suddenly after such a triumphant moment and turned the emotion of that moment around 180 degrees.

-Regarding the final battle being "short," I don't really have too much problem with that.  With Thanos on the battlefield, I think it would likely be a short battle.  With very few exceptions, he could lay waste to anybody else on that battlefield in seconds.  And he had the black order at full strength as well.  You either find a way to beat him pretty quickly, or he's going to lay waste to everything pretty quickly.  It's what he does.

-Act I both in the present and the early part of 2023 when they were just showing the aftermath felt slow.  I know it needed to.  It was totally necessary.  But the pacing just felt a little too slow for a little too long. 
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Post by: lordxizor on April 29, 2019, 02:15:13 PM
One thing I have a big problem with was Hulk bring back the dusted to the present time in the movie rather than just undoing the snap back when it happened. Imagine the complete mess of bring people back after 5 years of being gone. Everyone else has aged, spouses have gotten remarried, economies have collapsed and been rebuilt, infrastructures have adapted to the smaller population, etc. It would be a logistical nightmare and complete mindfuck to those involved. All of this done just because Tony Stark couldn't imagine a world without his daughter.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 29, 2019, 02:17:19 PM
Act I both in the present and the early part of 2023 when they were just showing the aftermath felt slow.  I know it needed to.  It was totally necessary.  But the pacing just felt a little too slow for a little too long. 

Agreed.  I think there were a few areas of the 'planning' stages of getting the stones back that could've been trimmed, but otherwise, almost all of that was necessary.

Also... good Forbes article.  Makes sense now - though I'm still not sure going back in time to a *different* timeline is plausible.  As soon as Cap stayed in 1945, he created a new timeline.  Not sure he could then live through 2023, then travel back to the 'prime' timeline.

@ lordxiaor... agreed.  Instantly doubling the population would be a bigger mess than halving it in the first place.

I'm so confused.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 02:19:58 PM
One thing I have a big problem with was Hulk bring back the dusted to the present time in the movie rather than just undoing the snap back when it happened. Imagine the complete mess of bring people back after 5 years of being gone. Everyone else has aged, spouses have gotten remarried, economies have collapsed and been rebuilt, infrastructures have adapted to the smaller population, etc. It would be a logistical nightmare and complete mindfuck to those involved. All of this done just because Tony Stark couldn't imagine a world without his daughter.

I think that's a pretty hot take... Plus, that's not how time travel works, as they explained in the movie: if he was to undo the snap from 5 years ago, that wouldn't change anything about this reality. It would create another time branch, one in which the universe was put back together, but they would still be living in that post-apocalyptic reality, with none of their friends brought back, and Thanos would have won... there's no clean and easy solution to what Thanos did, I think they did the right thing.
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 02:23:55 PM
One thing I have a big problem with was Hulk bring back the dusted to the present time in the movie rather than just undoing the snap back when it happened. Imagine the complete mess of bring people back after 5 years of being gone. Everyone else has aged, spouses have gotten remarried, economies have collapsed and been rebuilt, infrastructures have adapted to the smaller population, etc. It would be a logistical nightmare and complete mindfuck to those involved. All of this done just because Tony Stark couldn't imagine a world without his daughter.

I think that's a pretty hot take... Plus, that's not how time travel works, as they explained in the movie: if he was to undo the snap from 5 years ago, that wouldn't change anything about this reality. It would create another time branch, one in which the universe was put back together, but they would still be living in that post-apocalyptic reality, with none of their friends brought back, and Thanos would have won... there's no clean and easy solution to what Thanos did, I think they did the right thing.

Agreed.

I think it added weight to the situation and left dire consequences. If everything had just been "undone", it would have cheapened the movie as well as Infinity War. I think bringing them all back but 5 years later was great, especially for how difficult life is going to be returning to. Now what Thanos did has lasting impact. They didn't just make it all meaningless.
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Post by: lordxizor on April 29, 2019, 02:26:39 PM
One thing I have a big problem with was Hulk bring back the dusted to the present time in the movie rather than just undoing the snap back when it happened. Imagine the complete mess of bring people back after 5 years of being gone. Everyone else has aged, spouses have gotten remarried, economies have collapsed and been rebuilt, infrastructures have adapted to the smaller population, etc. It would be a logistical nightmare and complete mindfuck to those involved. All of this done just because Tony Stark couldn't imagine a world without his daughter.

I think that's a pretty hot take... Plus, that's not how time travel works, as they explained in the movie: if he was to undo the snap from 5 years ago, that wouldn't change anything about this reality. It would create another time branch, one in which the universe was put back together, but they would still be living in that post-apocalyptic reality, with none of their friends brought back, and Thanos would have won... there's no clean and easy solution to what Thanos did, I think they did the right thing.
Maybe, time travel stuff is a logic nightmare anyway. If that was the case, they should have explained it that way instead of having Tony basically tell the team they had to do it that way because of his daughter.
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Post by: Adami on April 29, 2019, 02:27:39 PM
They did explain it that way. They also brought in the emotional element of Tony not wanting to lose everything he had. He simply reminded them multiple times of it.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 29, 2019, 02:29:56 PM
One thing I have a big problem with was Hulk bring back the dusted to the present time in the movie rather than just undoing the snap back when it happened. Imagine the complete mess of bring people back after 5 years of being gone. Everyone else has aged, spouses have gotten remarried, economies have collapsed and been rebuilt, infrastructures have adapted to the smaller population, etc. It would be a logistical nightmare and complete mindfuck to those involved. All of this done just because Tony Stark couldn't imagine a world without his daughter.

I think that's a pretty hot take... Plus, that's not how time travel works, as they explained in the movie: if he was to undo the snap from 5 years ago, that wouldn't change anything about this reality. It would create another time branch, one in which the universe was put back together, but they would still be living in that post-apocalyptic reality, with none of their friends brought back, and Thanos would have won... there's no clean and easy solution to what Thanos did, I think they did the right thing.
Maybe, time travel stuff is a logic nightmare anyway. If that was the case, they should have explained it that way instead of having Tony basically tell the team they had to do it that way because of his daughter.

But they did. Earlier on. When Bruce was explaining time travel, and when the Ancient One was talking to Professor Hulk.

Plus, the whole thing about Tony's daughter... those are Tony's stakes. He wanted his family. He ended up having his family. He was lost in space for 3 weeks, sure that he was going to die, and then he miraculously came home, and spent 5 years with his wife and daughter. I do not blame him one bit, after everything that man has been through and then you throw Infinity War on top of it all? Yeah man. I don't at all blame him.
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Post by: lordxizor on April 29, 2019, 02:31:56 PM
They did explain it that way. They also brought in the emotional element of Tony not wanting to lose everything he had. He simply reminded them multiple times of it.
I'll take your word on that. Tony's pleas are all I remember.
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Post by: Samsara on April 30, 2019, 09:11:09 AM
The one thing I will always take from the film -- what Pepper said to Tony at the end...was verbatim what I told my mother as she was passing. Tons of emotion from me during that. Really gut wrenching. Proper end for Tony. And for Cap.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 09:15:32 AM
I would like to take just a moment to discuss...hammers. 

Going back to Cap only being able to slightly budge Mjolnir in AOU and not completely lift it, I saw some online speculation that the hammer recognized him as potentially worthy, but not yet fully worthy until he would later come clean about Bucky murdering Tony's parents.  I don't think that's right.  First off, I'm not so sure Cap knew at that point in time.  It's possible he did.  But we don't know for sure.  But I don't think that actually has anything to do with him wielding or not wielding Mjolnir.  I actually think he was just faking not being able to lift it.  I think he felt it move, and immediately stopped, knowing he had nothing to prove.  There's a reason Steve didn't get up and try right in the beginning.  I don't think he really wanted to or felt the need to.  But I think he absolutely could have picked it up at that point in time if he had chosen to.
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
I would like to take just a moment to discuss...hammers. 

Going back to Cap only being able to slightly budge Mjolnir in AOU and not completely lift it, I saw some online speculation that the hammer recognized him as potentially worthy, but not yet fully worthy until he would later come clean about Bucky murdering Tony's parents.  I don't think that's right.  First off, I'm not so sure Cap knew at that point in time.  It's possible he did.  But we don't know for sure.  But I don't think that actually has anything to do with him wielding or not wielding Mjolnir.  I actually think he was just faking not being able to lift it.  I think he felt it move, and immediately stopped, knowing he had nothing to prove.  There's a reason Steve didn't get up and try right in the beginning.  I don't think he really wanted to or felt the need to.  But I think he absolutely could have picked it up at that point in time if he had chosen to.

Yea, I doubt there's any fully true or accurate reason. I think the fans are free to figure it out as they see fit. I like your theory, but I believe Steve found out about Bucky killing Tony's parents in Winter Soldier, which was before he tried to lift it. So I'm fine with either.

Personally I just see it as this being the end of Cap's journey. He was finally worthy. He was close before, and managed to get there. I just it leave it there.
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Post by: RuRoRul on April 30, 2019, 10:22:32 AM
I would like to take just a moment to discuss...hammers. 

Going back to Cap only being able to slightly budge Mjolnir in AOU and not completely lift it, I saw some online speculation that the hammer recognized him as potentially worthy, but not yet fully worthy until he would later come clean about Bucky murdering Tony's parents.  I don't think that's right.  First off, I'm not so sure Cap knew at that point in time.  It's possible he did.  But we don't know for sure.  But I don't think that actually has anything to do with him wielding or not wielding Mjolnir.  I actually think he was just faking not being able to lift it.  I think he felt it move, and immediately stopped, knowing he had nothing to prove.  There's a reason Steve didn't get up and try right in the beginning.  I don't think he really wanted to or felt the need to.  But I think he absolutely could have picked it up at that point in time if he had chosen to.
I don't think he was able to lift it and faked it. Since this seems such a popular interpretation I even watched the scene again to see if there's anything to suggest he stops pulling when the hammer twitches slightly and I'm not seeing it.

I think it's just a bit of simple foreshadowing; the Captain was the one who was possibly worthy and possibly going to wield the hammer at some point in the future, so there's a slight movement when he tries to pick it up. I think it's possible people could choose to retroactively view the scene as though he could have picked it up but chose not to, but I definitely don't think there's anything in the scene that pushes anyone towards that interpretation. For myself personally, I actually don't even think the idea that Cap was pulling sleight of hand would be that great or fitting for his character. But if people do like that idea then it's cool that the possibile interpretation exists.

I could definitely see (and like the interpretation) that there's a difference between picking it up as a party trick and actually really wanting to wield it, say to protect the universe. Considering he was able to later I could definitely buy into the idea that if Cap had really wanted (or rather needed) to wield the hammer he could possibly have done so even back then. But I don't think it was about him consciously misleading people.

I don't think telling Tony about his parents was the key thing either. That's one thing he did since Age of Ultron, but he has gone through a lot of stuff since then. Just because a character is already a very good person doesn't mean they can't go through a bit more growth; knowledge about Tony's parents was just a part of that journey.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 10:29:06 AM
You could very well be right.  But it has always looked to me like he wasn't even trying to lift it anyway.  It wasn't that he was trying and stopped when he felt it move.  It's that he wasn't even trying anyway, and it moved in the process. 
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 30, 2019, 10:41:29 AM
Does Hela counts as Worthy of wielding Mjolnir? I mean, she stopped it when Thor threw it to her, how could she possibly do this without being worthy?
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 10:46:01 AM
Does Hela counts as Worthy of wielding Mjolnir? I mean, she stopped it when Thor threw it to her, how could she possibly do this without being worthy?

I think the point there is that her power was greater than that of Mjolnir and superseded the worthiness enchantment.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 10:52:04 AM
Does Hela counts as Worthy of wielding Mjolnir? I mean, she stopped it when Thor threw it to her, how could she possibly do this without being worthy?

I think the point there is that her power was greater than that of Mjolnir and superseded the worthiness enchantment.

That's what I thought, even moreso when she shatters it.
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Post by: Nick on April 30, 2019, 11:00:24 AM
We saw this Sunday night, and wow, what an end to the series. I am with everyone on being overall impressed and satisfied. I think the greatest credit to the movie is how upset everyone was on a handful of deaths when literally half the living creatures in the universe were brought back into existence. In any logical terms Iron Man, Black Widow, and a handful of minor characters was a small price to pay and something we shouldn't be too upset about.

My only major complaint the entire film, the only time I almost went "really?" out loud was the female empowerment scene. So many great female characters in the movies, but putting that there just seemed so heavy handed and unnecessary.

A personal favorite, among many others was seeing Skylord getting knocked out prior to retrieving his stone, and calling all the way back to Guardians 1 and his astonishment of getting it so easily.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 11:19:54 AM
My only major complaint the entire film, the only time I almost went "really?" out loud was the female empowerment scene. So many great female characters in the movies, but putting that there just seemed so heavy handed and unnecessary.

I didn't mind that at all.  There are fan service moments all over these films where you have things like the original six just happening to all come together in the same spot mid-battle and finding a moment to strike an epic group photo pose, or the heroes walking single file toward the place where they are going to begin the time-heist, perfectly spaced, with perfect backlighting that makes for an awesome slow-mo shot.  The comics do the same thing, and always have.  I think we're just a bit oversensitive to shots like the one you described because folks on both sides of the feminist and diversity debate have been screaming too loudly for too long about what should just be a bit of fun entertainment.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 11:25:30 AM
I agree with bosk - when I saw the shot in the film the same thoughts went through my head, but I almost immediately brushed it off 'cause it looked so cool. Looked way cooler than that part in Infinity War with the three or four women ganging up on Proxima Midnight anyway.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 11:50:46 AM
That said, I am tired of Brie Larsen continuing to try to make it about feminism and diversity.  If a superhero film has kind of built-in reasons, characterwise, storywise, or what have you, for it to be an effective vehicle for a particular agenda, then so be it.  That's fine.  But there doesn't have to be an agenda for agenda's sake.  And neither her hero nor her film were that great, IMO, so I wish she would just shut it and let me enjoy my movies.  :)
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 30, 2019, 11:59:00 AM
The biggest thing that bothered me was Mantis striking a fighting pose. Twice. Like, really?  :lol
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2019, 11:59:38 AM
The biggest thing that bothered me was Mantis striking a fighting pose. Twice. Like, really?  :lol

Yea, but....to be fair (and a bit silly) she is the only one thus far to effectively subdue Thanos.  :biggrin:
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Post by: Ninjabait on April 30, 2019, 12:27:08 PM
Not to veer off-topic, but the Russos did confirm that Cap ended up marrying Peggy in an alternate timeline/universe and just traveled back to the mainline 2023 at the end. Here's the full Q&A session that happened in China, translated by u/gianben123 on reddit:

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Q: Why Iron Man has to be the one to do the final snap, couldn't the people like Thor, Star-Lord or Captain Marvel whom all previously have handled the power of Infinity Stones done it instead?

A: Thor in this movie couldn't do it, only Hulk was strong enough to do the snap without dying. We are still not sure whether Captain Marvel can also withstand all the power of Infinity Stones at once. The reason we choose to let Iron Man do it in the end was because he was the closest one to Thanos at the time. In all the futures Doctor Strange foresee, Iron Man was the only one who could get close to Thanos and do the snap. People usually think the death of a hero is a horrible tragedy. But we think this is different. When his death was able to bring back hope, to save half of the universe, then his death was powerful and meaningful. We shouldn't feel too sad or angry about it.



Q: Peggy Carter was probably already married and in her mid 40s in 1970, in that case what year was it that Captain America went back to dance with her?

A: We can't answer it for now, this is a story that happened in an alternate reality. Maybe it will be revealed in the future.



Q: Did Captain America's action at the end affect the timeline? Does that mean there was a time where two CA existed in a same universe?

A: To me, CA's action in the end wasn't the fact he wanted to change anything, it's more like me has made a choice. He chose to go back to past and lived with the one he loved for the rest of his life. The time travel in this movie created an alternate reality. He lived a completely different life in that world. We don't know how exactly his life turned out, but I'd like to believe he still helped many others when they were needed in that world. Yes, there were two CA in that reality, it's just like what Hulk said, what happened in the past has already happened. If you go back to past, you simply created a new reality. The characters in this movie created new timeline when they went back to the past, but it had no effect to the prime universe. What happened in the past 22 movies was still canon.



Q: In both IW and EG, the heroes tried their back to take the glove away from Thanos, so why didn't Doctor Strange just cut off Thanos' hand with his ability?

A: Thanos' skin is almost impenetrable, we don't know whether Doctor Strange had the capability to do it. If he failed to cut it on time, Thanos would still able to do the snap. Doctor Strange realized this issue during his millions of test runs.



Q: Why did you make Thor fat? Did Chris also become fat for the role or it was done through CG?

A: It was mostly CG'd. Thor suffered more loss than anyone else, he has been living in constant pain and regret.



Q: Was old Cap played Evans using make up? Or it was also post production CG?

A: 95% CG, 5% make up. But the voice was 100% Evans, no modification for that.



Q: Can you get the soul your sacrificed for the Soul Stone back when you return it?

A: No, the process is irreversible. Even if you have returned it to its original location, you wouldn't be able to get the person back. In fact, it's not really returning the stone, more like put it back properly. The tribute soul for the soul stone will forever be sealed in that place, therefore Black Widow is gone forever.



Q: How would Cap react when he encounter Red Skull when he returned the stone?

A: Red Skull would probably put the soul stone back to its location, and wait for the next unfortunate stone seeker to make sacrifice. Cap and Red Skull probably won't fight. It's because it's his mission to return the stone to its original place. The Red Skull is also no longer the same Red Skull from FA. He is more like a ghost, you could almost say he's a completely different entity now. He only exists to guard the stone, his past conscious may or may not exist anymore.



Q: In IW, Thanos used the time stone to reverse the time so he could the already dead Vision, and it didn't cause any time parallax. Why did no one use time stone to save Iron Man's life in EG?

A: It's because even if you save Iron Man, it will still not change the fact that Thanos will eventually win the war. Among the 14 million possibilities that Doctor Strange has seen, Iron Man's sacrifice is a must for that one win scenario.



Q: How did Thanos bring his army to the future?

A: There is a guy called Maw in his army, he was a great wizard. Thanos himself was a brilliant genius as well. Those two easily reverse engineered and mass produced Pym Particles.



Q: What about those people who got dusted? What did those five years mean to them? Why didn't they grow older when undusted?

A: Yes, those people whom was lucky to survive the snap are 5 years older than the people who just got back. The reason Spider Man saw his friend again in high school at the end was simply because his friends was unfortunately also dusted like Spider Man was. Of course, there are people in his grade whom didn't die and they are probably already in colleges by now. To those dusted people, they had no conscious in these past 5 years. They didn't know what happened. It's as if they had just woke up from a long sleep. The only one who was aware about how many years has passed was Doctor Strange, because he has already seen that when he was time mediating on Titan. Parker's reunion with Ned was a touching moment. There are also people whom indeed moved on but suddenly was reunited with their lost ones. Yeah it's kind a complicated world now.



Q: What if the mouse didn't press the button to turn on the quantum machine, wouldn't that stop EG from happening? Isn't this a bit too much of a coincidence?

A: Yes, the MOUSE SAVED THE UNIVERSE. Among the many realities in those 14 millions possible futures Doctor Strange foresee, the mouse failed to press button and thus the heroes failed in those futures.



Q: EG's plot, is it a parallel universe or a closed time loop?

A: Nope, not a time loop. Both Ancient One and Hulk were right. You can't change the future by simply going back to past. But it's possible to create a different alternate future. It's not butterfly effect. Every decision you made in the past could potentially create a new timeline. For example, the old Cap at the end movie, he lived his married life in a different universe from the main one. He had to make another jump back to the main universe at the end to give the shield to Sam.



Q: There were some metal smashing sound when the movie ended. Was that an easter egg? or just a tribute to Iron Man, or maybe an implication that Iron Man will return?

A: It was our way to say goodbye to him.



Q: Why there was no Iron Man's body in his funeral, only his arc reactor? And is there any secret messages for bring back that kid from Iron Man 3?

A: We just feel that he should participate in Iron Man's funeral. As for whether he will appear again in future, who knows.



Q: Why didn't Black Widow get a funeral as well?

A: Did you forget when the heroes where mourning for her after when they returned from past? Maybe her funeral happened off screen. Maybe it will be shown in future installment, because there are still tons of stories in MCU that are waiting to be tell.
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2019, 12:46:28 PM
Very cool, thanks for posting that. I'm assuming it's legit? Hard to tell from reddit.


Either way, that's what I eventually settled on with Cap too. Still wish they just gave it 5 more minutes, but such is life.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 30, 2019, 01:32:16 PM
My only major complaint the entire film, the only time I almost went "really?" out loud was the female empowerment scene. So many great female characters in the movies, but putting that there just seemed so heavy handed and unnecessary.

I didn't mind that at all.  There are fan service moments all over these films where you have things like the original six just happening to all come together in the same spot mid-battle and finding a moment to strike an epic group photo pose, or the heroes walking single file toward the place where they are going to begin the time-heist, perfectly spaced, with perfect backlighting that makes for an awesome slow-mo shot.  The comics do the same thing, and always have.  I think we're just a bit oversensitive to shots like the one you described because folks on both sides of the feminist and diversity debate have been screaming too loudly for too long about what should just be a bit of fun entertainment.

But those 'fan service' moments like what you mention are (while contrived) appropriate to the events inside the film.  The girl-power moments are service to society - outside the film.  That's why I roll my eyes at it.  I don't want to get to a big debate over it, because I'm not overly bothered about it, I just feel it's SO contrived and blatant that it makes it feel out of place.  The battle against Proxima in IW didn't feel nearly as contrived as lining up all 8-9 female heroes at once for them to have that female moment in EG.

That said, I am tired of Brie Larsen continuing to try to make it about feminism and diversity. .... But there doesn't have to be an agenda for agenda's sake.

But isn't that what *that* moment (in the movie) is about?  I don't know how it can be interpreted as anything but feminism and diversity - an agenda for agenda's sake.  For all the characters that didn't get a lot of screentime in the final battle, why did the filmmakers chose ONLY (and all?) female characters to escort Captain Marvel to the Quantum device.  Screams 'agenda' to me.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
I can't really dispute what you are saying.  I'm just saying that I am fine with it and don't feel it is that big a deal.  To me, it doesn't feel much more out of place than the things I mentioned.  Your mileage may vary, and in that case, I would respectfully disagree.  But no biggie either way.
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 30, 2019, 02:12:50 PM
I can't really dispute what you are saying.  I'm just saying that I am fine with it and don't feel it is that big a deal.  To me, it doesn't feel much more out of place than the things I mentioned.  Your mileage may vary, and in that case, I would respectfully disagree.  But no biggie either way.

Agreed!

Viewing number 2 tomorrow night.  Really looking forward to it.  Might even snatch a Tuesday night viewing again in a few weeks.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on April 30, 2019, 02:14:02 PM
I agree with Chad.

I was waiting to see how they shoehorned a scene like that in, and rolled my eyes when I saw it. It doesn't negatively impact the movie for me at all. It's just... yea
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 02:29:11 PM
Anyone read any of the comments by Markus and McFeely about the whole time travel arc, and when they came up with it, and how they were going to do it and all that?  (link here (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a27304861/avengers-endgame-time-travel-explained/) for those interested)  One of the things that caught my eye is that for the longest time, they weren't going to have the team go back to the battle of New York and were going to have them get the stones from other places/times instead.  I'm REALLY glad the story turned out how it did.  Some of the best stuff in the movie centered around the battle of New York.

Of course, they completely lucked out on finding the time stone there at that time, if you stop and think about it.  At that time, before Strange became Sorceror Supreme and set up his home base in the New York sanctum, I think it would have been housed in Katmandu unless the Ancient One specifically took it somewhere on a mission.  But the Avengers didn't know that.  They mistakenly believed that Strange would have been keeping it permanently in NY, and were actually completely wrong, but lucked out in having it there anyway at the moment they had returned to.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on April 30, 2019, 02:32:22 PM
Anyone read any of the comments by Markus and McFeely about the whole time travel arc, and when they came up with it, and how they were going to do it and all that?  (link here (https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a27304861/avengers-endgame-time-travel-explained/) for those interested)  One of the things that caught my eye is that for the longest time, they weren't going to have the team go back to the battle of New York and were going to have them get the stones from other places/times instead.  I'm REALLY glad the story turned out how it did.  Some of the best stuff in the movie centered around the battle of New York.

Of course, they completely lucked out on finding the time stone there at that time, if you stop and think about it.  At that time, before Strange became Sorceror Supreme and set up his home base in the New York sanctum, I think it would have been housed in Katmandu unless the Ancient One specifically took it somewhere on a mission.  But the Avengers didn't know that.  They mistakenly believed that Strange would have been keeping it permanently in NY, and were actually completely wrong, but lucked out in having it there anyway at the moment they had returned to.

I assumed that The Ancient One was there to help protect the sanctuary during the Battle of New York.
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 02:34:49 PM
No, I think that's right.  But if not for the battle of New York, she presumably would not have been there.  But the Avengers didn't know that she was only there for the battle, and that the stone wasn't permanently kept there.  They made an assumption that the stone was there.  And in that one instance, they were right, but their reasoning for believing it was there was completely wrong and would have gotten them a big zero if she hadn't been there or if she had chosen to come and fight with just her powers and other artifacts and left the stone back in the library in Katmandu.
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Post by: JayOctavarium on April 30, 2019, 02:36:11 PM
No, I think that's right.  But if not for the battle of New York, she presumably would not have been there.  But the Avengers didn't know that she was only there for the battle, and that the stone wasn't permanently kept there.

Right. So still luck.
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Post by: Orbert on April 30, 2019, 03:35:18 PM
When Banner/Hulk showed up in New York, didn't she say something like "You're five years too early"?  I couldn't follow everything she said about Strange and why she had the stone.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 03:40:20 PM
When Banner/Hulk showed up in New York, didn't she say something like "You're five years too early"?  I couldn't follow everything she said about Strange and why she had the stone.

Yup. She knew all about Stephen Strange but not Thanos which I don't fully understand but whatever.
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2019, 03:42:48 PM
When Banner/Hulk showed up in New York, didn't she say something like "You're five years too early"?  I couldn't follow everything she said about Strange and why she had the stone.

Yup. She knew all about Stephen Strange but not Thanos which I don't fully understand but whatever.

She can see her own life. She died before Thanos ever came to Earth. So she knows Strange since she can see the parts of her life when she meets him, but Thanos came by long after she died, so she had no knowledge of that.
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Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 03:50:13 PM
When Banner/Hulk showed up in New York, didn't she say something like "You're five years too early"?  I couldn't follow everything she said about Strange and why she had the stone.

Yup. She knew all about Stephen Strange but not Thanos which I don't fully understand but whatever.

She can see her own life. She died before Thanos ever came to Earth. So she knows Strange since she can see the parts of her life when she meets him, but Thanos came by long after she died, so she had no knowledge of that.

Ahh, well there we go then! One mystery solved.  :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on April 30, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
When Banner/Hulk showed up in New York, didn't she say something like "You're five years too early"?  I couldn't follow everything she said about Strange and why she had the stone.

Yup. She knew all about Stephen Strange but not Thanos which I don't fully understand but whatever.

She can see her own life. She died before Thanos ever came to Earth. So she knows Strange since she can see the parts of her life when she meets him, but Thanos came by long after she died, so she had no knowledge of that.

Ahh, well there we go then! One mystery solved.  :lol

Wasn't much of a mystery - she explicitly explained this to Strange in their movie. 
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Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 03:54:12 PM
Well I haven't seen the movie in quite some time and that's not exactly a detail I thought I'd need to refresh myself on going into Endgame so it kind of was a mystery since I forgot. So there. :)
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2019, 04:05:40 PM
Well I haven't seen the movie in quite some time and that's not exactly a detail I thought I'd need to refresh myself on going into Endgame so it kind of was a mystery since I forgot. So there. :)

You don’t have a photographic memory?

That is so not prog.



Yea, my big rewatch really helped me with stuff like that.
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Post by: Orbert on April 30, 2019, 04:07:15 PM
Yeah, most of the later movies I've only seen once, and there are a shitload of details.  I mean, the fact that she knew who Dr. Strange was and that they're "five years too early" shows that she obviously has foresight, but Banner had to fill her in on the deal with Thanos, and ultimately that's what convinced her to give him the stone.  I didn't follow all of it, so my main takeaway was "okay, they got the stone".
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Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Well, that pretty much IS the main takeaway, so...
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Post by: The Walrus on April 30, 2019, 04:48:13 PM
Well I haven't seen the movie in quite some time and that's not exactly a detail I thought I'd need to refresh myself on going into Endgame so it kind of was a mystery since I forgot. So there. :)

You don’t have a photographic memory?

That is so not prog.



Yea, my big rewatch really helped me with stuff like that.

 :lol Yeah... I tried to do my rewatch but I got caught up with other things early on, like right after Iron Man 2 hahaha. So I just stuck to reading your recaps  :biggrin:
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Post by: gzarruk on April 30, 2019, 05:46:16 PM
I agree with Chad.

I was waiting to see how they shoehorned a scene like that in, and rolled my eyes when I saw it. It doesn't negatively impact the movie for me at all. It's just... yea

That female power scene felt very out of place, even my girlfriend turned to me and said "that was unnecesary". We get it, there's some badass females in the Avengers/MCU, but we (the audience) aren't that dumb to not realize it, we don't need to be told "oh, look they're badass because they're female #feminism". Like you said, it doesn't impact the movie overall, but it was completely unnecesary.

Now, one of my biggest concerns is that Carol "deus ex machina" Danvers aka Captain Feminazi most likely becomes the face of the MCU going forward, and her character isn't well written at all. I'd rather have Black Panther or Strange leading the MCU, not CM.

BTW, don't think this has been discussed, but now that both Tony and Steve aren't there anymore, I find it even less likely they do an Illuminati storyline at some point. Can't have the Illuminati without Stark imo.
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Post by: Orbert on April 30, 2019, 05:55:27 PM
I'd rather have Black Panther or Strange leading the MCU, not CM.

metoo
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Post by: Adami on April 30, 2019, 06:10:12 PM
Honestly? Based solely on how they are showing CM's character, I don't see her leading the MCU the way you guys might think.

There will probably be cosmic MCU and Terran MCU. CM seems dedicated to being in the cosmic realm. So for everyone on Earth, you'll probably end up having one of the Earth bound characters being the lead. That said, I really hope they move away from giant team up movies for quite some time. Anything they try will pale in comparison to Infinity War and Endgame, and I think Marvel is smart enough to realize that and go in a more personal, smaller direction for some time.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 30, 2019, 06:48:43 PM
Honestly? Based solely on how they are showing CM's character, I don't see her leading the MCU the way you guys might think.

There will probably be cosmic MCU and Terran MCU. CM seems dedicated to being in the cosmic realm. So for everyone on Earth, you'll probably end up having one of the Earth bound characters being the lead.
That said, I really hope they move away from giant team up movies for quite some time. Anything they try will pale in comparison to Infinity War and Endgame, and I think Marvel is smart enough to realize that and go in a more personal, smaller direction for some time.

That makes a lot of sense, and I hope they do something like that, but I was worried because since they introduced CM they've been telling us how she is stronger than anyone else and how she's gonna save everyone, blah blah.

All Tthis makes me wonder, do we have to wait till comicon to know the new batch of movies they're going to release in the next phase?
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Post by: MinistroRaven on April 30, 2019, 06:55:40 PM
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Post by: faizoff on April 30, 2019, 07:38:04 PM
Rewatching some of the MCU movies now not in any particular order, saw Infinity War first. Thanos is so well done in this movie, it really is his movie.

Iron Man, hadn't seen this in ages and I forgot how grounded in reality the first MCU movie was. The Iron Man suit was so primitive with Tony needing help to suit up, had power limitations, etc.. I love how rudimentary things are in that movie now looking back. The suit has come a long long way from then to now.

Loved the story, didn't realize it was still unfinished when they started shooting with some dialog improv in many places.  Howard Stark is shown and mentioned in a montage as having a profound influence on Tony. Interesting to read how Jon Favreau conceived to originally retain Iron Monger as the main villain for all Iron Man movies with the Mandarin having an Emperor Palpatine like role. Agent Coulson was just written as 'agent' and not fully thought out as part of SHIELD initially.

Might watch Thor or First Avenger next.

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Post by: Zook on April 30, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/kynY4B9/59407982-2061808077251606-2351519170362867712-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X4Bm7L3)

But did he survive the battle?

Endgame was amazing. I love time travel stories, so this was such a treat. Here's to the next 10 years of Marvel. In 10 years we might be seeing The New Avengers, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four battling Galactus.
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Post by: soupytwist on May 01, 2019, 05:04:14 AM


Now, one of my biggest concerns is that Carol "deus ex machina" Danvers aka Captain Feminazi most likely becomes the face of the MCU going forward, and her character isn't well written at all. I'd rather have Black Panther or Strange leading the MCU, not CM.

Give it a rest mate.   

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Post by: Dream Team on May 01, 2019, 07:41:13 AM
So is anyone gonna tell me where Korg, Valkryrie, etc were when Thanos blew up the Asgardian lifeboat in IW?
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Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2019, 07:44:17 AM
So is anyone gonna tell me where Korg, Valkryrie, etc were when Thanos blew up the Asgardian lifeboat in IW?

I think the Russos went on record as saying Valkyrie and co. escaped before Thanos blew everyone's lives up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2019, 08:02:21 AM
Saw it last night.

HOLY SHIT
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Post by: Adami on May 01, 2019, 08:33:57 AM
I wanted to ask this in the general Marvel thread, but it's Endgame spoiler, so it goes here.

Agents of Shield comes back in 9 days, and they said it takes place post-snap. Do you guys think it'll be in that 5 years of sadness or 5 years later?
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Post by: The Walrus on May 01, 2019, 08:37:19 AM
So I spent the last few weeks trying to catch up on MCU movies (and some non MCU movies). Finally saw Homecoming (which was so much better than I expected) and watched half of Antman and Wasp (fell asleep.. oh well). I also finally saw Deadpool 2 and Last Jedi but this isn't the thread for that.

Now all I am missing is Captain Marvel. I have tickets to see Endgame tonight for my birthday. Had tickets to see Marvel last night... but something came up and wasn't able to go. So we tried to get tickets for a really late showing last night, but that same thing prevented us from going. I've heard that seeing Captain Marvel before Endgame isn't 100% necessary. Is this true?

Yes. You can safely skip The Incredible Hulk, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel before seeing this movie. BP is more important for IW (and even then), and Captain Marvel only serves to add more context to a single scene in Endgame and introduce the character and her powers. I still recommend you watch them tho because they're great. I still haven't seen Hulk. It's not that important in the broader MCU.

Necessary films prior to Endgame:
Iron Man 1*, 2, 3
Captain America 1*, 2*, 3*
Thor 1*, 2*, 3*
Avengers 1*, 2*, 3*
Ant-Man 1*, 2*
Guardians of the Galaxy 1*, 2
Doctor Strange*
Spider-man Homecoming

*Absolutely necessary, but this movie DOES assume that you've seen everything but Hulk so I do recommend having seen all of them.

I think it's weird that you have all three Thors and BOTH Ant-Mans as absolutely necessary but only the first Iron Man. Tony's arc is the biggest and most important in the MCU, all 3 Iron Man films should be mandatory viewing.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 01, 2019, 08:59:49 AM
Wow, that's a really good question.  I'm going to guess that it starts off either late in the former or early in the latter.  And knowing nothing about the season, I say that just from the logistical standpoint of having half the cast missing for an entire season if it is set any earlier.  I don't see that happening.
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Post by: ariich on May 01, 2019, 09:01:34 AM
Saw it last night.

HOLY SHIT
This is the correct reaction.

In a number of ways, I loved it so much. It's among my favourites of the franchise. I really couldn't say after one viewing whether it'll end up being my favourite, I think at some point I'm going to do a full re-watch of the Infinity Saga.
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Post by: ariich on May 01, 2019, 09:03:11 AM
I wanted to ask this in the general Marvel thread, but it's Endgame spoiler, so it goes here.

Agents of Shield comes back in 9 days, and they said it takes place post-snap. Do you guys think it'll be in that 5 years of sadness or 5 years later?
I really hope the former to be honest, that would be so awesome.

I also really like how Endgame did time travel, where you can't undo what has happened, only create alternative timelines, but you can bring things back into the present in order to change the future. Really nifty rule which means that within the MCU timeline, nothing is retconned and everything stays canon.

EDIT: Honestly, between upcoming shows and movies, they could do some really brilliant exploration of that five year period.
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Post by: Grappler on May 01, 2019, 09:13:46 AM
https://tvline.com/2019/04/30/agents-of-shield-season-6-photos-karolina-wydra-mercenary/

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When Season 6 opens on Friday, May 10 at 8/7c — picking up one year after they dropped a terminal Coulson off in Tahiti — the team is “scattered across the galaxy,” still coming to grips with the knowledge that bending the laws of space and time may have saved the planet, but it couldn’t save Fitz or their former Director

So AOS is set one year after last season.  I haven't seen Endgame, but did read some spoilers...I don't know how this would fit in with the five-year thing.
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Post by: Adami on May 01, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
I think they said it would also be post-snap, and that previous seasons were all pre-snap. So this must be in that 5 years.

100 bucks says that don't really deal with any of it beyond a quick mention.
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Post by: ariich on May 01, 2019, 09:23:44 AM
100 bucks says that don't really deal with any of it beyond a quick mention.
Which is all the TV/movie crossovers have been for the last few years, so yeah you're probably right. We could be surprised.

This also makes me wonder if it was a factor in Netflix cancelling all its Marvel shows. Perhaps the higher ups discussed what the plan was for IW/Endgame and what the ramifications would be, and Netflix decided it was too much bother to try and fit in with that as ultimately they'd have to keep checking with Marvel Studios and deferring decisions on a lot of things to them.

Probably not, but you never know.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2019, 09:41:52 AM
I found that the film was dominated by Steve and Tony.  As it should be.

I literally came out of my seat when Cap started wielding Mjolnir.

And at "Avengers...assemble!"

My eldest daughter cried so much that she gave herself a migraine.
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Post by: Grappler on May 01, 2019, 09:57:26 AM
Gabriel Luna returns as Ghost Rider!   :metal   I loved the character on Agents of Shield and I'm glad that they're continuing with it!

https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/01/hulu-ghost-rider-helstrom-series/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_entertainmentweekly&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=CDB9284A-6C1D-11E9-A0E2-37B3FCA12A29&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link&fbclid=IwAR254GZnCeMfYwuvGU7fYU5Opl9TCkDCP1cMjrL3HYPeFAt8zJF7qbxVrUc

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All Hell will break loose on Hulu come 2020.

With all the announcements coming out of the Hulu Television Upfront presentation in New York this week, the streaming studio announced Wednesday two more live-action Marvel series have joined its roster: Marvel’s Ghost Rider and Marvel’s Helstrom, both slated to debut next year.

Ghost Rider, showrun and executive produced by Ingrid Escajeda, will tell the story of Robbie Reyes, described as a “quintessential antihero” “consumed by hellfire and supernaturally bound to a demon. Reyes lives on the Texas/Mexico border and when he unleashes the Rider, Robbie brings vengeance for the innocents he encounters, but struggles to control the power he wields.”

Marvel fans will know Gabriel Luna plays Robbie on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.,and EW has confirmed Luna will also star in Ghost Rider, which will also be executive produced by S.H.I.E.L.D. EPs Paul Zbyszewski and Jeph Loeb. According to Hulu, this isn’t a traditional spin-off of S.H.I.E.L.D. but will focus on the “same character with [a] new story that lives unto its own.”

In a statement, Escajeda says the show fulfills her “love for grounded yet conflicted characters and my desire to scare the $&!# out of people.” She adds, “It’s important to me to find a take that thrills existing fans as well as wider audiences and I believe we’ve done just that
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Post by: lonestar on May 01, 2019, 10:02:29 AM

My eldest daughter cried so much that she gave herself a migraine.

Awwwwww.... (and lol)
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Post by: bosk1 on May 01, 2019, 10:24:52 AM
I've NEVER cared for Ghostrider, either in comics, or any of the screen representations...until Luna's depiction of him in AOS.  I am interested in this.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: Ninjabait on May 01, 2019, 12:09:01 PM
So I spent the last few weeks trying to catch up on MCU movies (and some non MCU movies). Finally saw Homecoming (which was so much better than I expected) and watched half of Antman and Wasp (fell asleep.. oh well). I also finally saw Deadpool 2 and Last Jedi but this isn't the thread for that.

Now all I am missing is Captain Marvel. I have tickets to see Endgame tonight for my birthday. Had tickets to see Marvel last night... but something came up and wasn't able to go. So we tried to get tickets for a really late showing last night, but that same thing prevented us from going. I've heard that seeing Captain Marvel before Endgame isn't 100% necessary. Is this true?

Yes. You can safely skip The Incredible Hulk, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel before seeing this movie. BP is more important for IW (and even then), and Captain Marvel only serves to add more context to a single scene in Endgame and introduce the character and her powers. I still recommend you watch them tho because they're great. I still haven't seen Hulk. It's not that important in the broader MCU.

Necessary films prior to Endgame:
Iron Man 1*, 2, 3
Captain America 1*, 2*, 3*
Thor 1*, 2*, 3*
Avengers 1*, 2*, 3*
Ant-Man 1*, 2*
Guardians of the Galaxy 1*, 2
Doctor Strange*
Spider-man Homecoming

*Absolutely necessary, but this movie DOES assume that you've seen everything but Hulk so I do recommend having seen all of them.

I think it's weird that you have all three Thors and BOTH Ant-Mans as absolutely necessary but only the first Iron Man. Tony's arc is the biggest and most important in the MCU, all 3 Iron Man films should be mandatory viewing.

I thought about including Iron Man 3, but honestly a lot of his arc is covered through Iron Man 1, Avengers, Age of Ultron, Civil War, Spider-man Homecoming, and Infinity War. Again, this is the bare minimum you need to watch to be able to catch everything going on in Endgame. Which is still like 2/3 of the MCU lol. Really, you should have seen EVERYTHING (but Hulk because it has little effect on the MCU outside of brief mentions in Avengers and Luke Cage, and reintroducing Thunderbolt Ross during CW) at this point to get the best experience.

I'm going to try say this as vaguely as possible to avoid spoilers, but the 3 Thor movies and both Ant-Man movies introduce things that are really big in IW/Endgame, especially the last two Thor movies. In retrospect, you could probably skip the first Thor movie if you've already seen Avengers. As average as it is, The Dark World is one of the most important movies for the Infinity Saga. You MIGHT be able to skip Ant-Man 1 so long as you watch Ant-Man and the Wasp, but you'll probably be a little bit confused at parts for AM&tW. Ragnarok is an absolute must.

Again I'd watch all of them. Except Hulk.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 01, 2019, 01:18:06 PM

My eldest daughter cried so much that she gave herself a migraine.

Awwwwww.... (and lol)
My sentiments exactly
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 01, 2019, 04:06:15 PM
100 bucks says that don't really deal with any of it beyond a quick mention.
Which is all the TV/movie crossovers have been for the last few years, so yeah you're probably right. We could be surprised.

I mean, AoS is pretty closely tied to the events of the MCU films and the Defenders series:

-Winter Soldier's revelation that SHIELD had been infiltrated by HYDRA directly influenced the Season 2 plot of AoS
-Captain Marvel and AoS both have characters who have been infused with Kree blood (and I'm willing to bet that Carol Danvers was a big inspiration for the creation of the TAHITI project)
-Fury references AoS vaguely at the end of Age of Ultron when he's pulling up in the helicarrier (Coulson was the one who had it fixed in AoS)
-The Sokovia Accords directly effect the events of AoS in the later seasons
-Talbot becoming Graviton is as a direct result of the threat Thanos showed to Earth
-Coulson tells Hill the location of the Scepter, who passes that information on to the Avengers
-Vision references more people gaining powers (paraphrasing) at the beginning of Civil War, which is a sneaky reference to the Inhuman explosion in AoS just before this

And then easter eggs:
-There's apparently a missing book in one of the sanctums in Dr. Strange, which was taken during AoS (I'm not 100% sure on this one, but I did hear it)
-Fury uses a device invented by Fitz to escape his car in Winter Soldier
-Lady Sif, Nick Fury, and Mariah Hill appear in AoS
-Daisy Johnson and Matt Murdock grew up in the same orphanage
-Speaking of, the Metro General Hospital that Claire works at in the Netflix MCU appears in Dr. Strange (and this is a fictional hospital)
-The Watchdogs episode of AoS references season 2 of Daredevil with news reports about "shootings and gang violence in Hell's Kitchen"
-Jack Murdock fought Carl Creel in the ring before all of this took place
-The Dogs of Hell appear in both the Netflix shows and AoS
-Judas Bullets appear in Luke Cage and AoS
-Micro, the hacker from season 1 of Punisher, is mentioned by Daisy two years before Punisher debuted

Honestly, most of it IS easter eggs for a lot of reasons, most of them office politics between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV. Most of the directors/producers/actors/fans seem very open to the idea of crossovers.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 01, 2019, 04:27:44 PM
Notice any certain pattern there?  Namely:  The tv shows acknowledge events in the films, but the films pretty much ALWAYS ignore the tv shows (you reference three possible examples of the films being influenced by the tv shows, but those are completely speculative). 
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Post by: Orbert on May 01, 2019, 04:36:04 PM
That has always seemed deliberate to me.  The TV shows, to have any kind of credibility, need to tie into the movies, but the movies don't "need" the TV shows.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 01, 2019, 04:50:55 PM
Notice any certain pattern there?  Namely:  The tv shows acknowledge events in the films, but the films pretty much ALWAYS ignore the tv shows (you reference three possible examples of the films being influenced by the tv shows, but those are completely speculative).

Yes, I'm aware, but the question was mainly about the TV shows acknowledging the movies. Honestly, it's going to be a long while before the TV side influences the MCU side directly. But, apparently, the TV characters were considered by the Russos for IW/Endgame, but they eventually decided against it for logistical reasons.

Honestly I think it's going to be a one-way street for the foreseeable future

Edit: So I just read an interview with Clark Gregg, and the word is at the 7th season of AoS will be the last. It seems like Marvel's cleaning up shop a little bit to avoid this in the future.
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Post by: Zook on May 01, 2019, 10:26:16 PM
The kid from Iron Man 3 and Jurassic World mutated into a completely different person in just 3 years.
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Post by: ariich on May 01, 2019, 11:44:26 PM
100 bucks says that don't really deal with any of it beyond a quick mention.
Which is all the TV/movie crossovers have been for the last few years, so yeah you're probably right. We could be surprised.

I mean, AoS is pretty closely tied to the events of the MCU films and the Defenders series:

-Winter Soldier's revelation that SHIELD had been infiltrated by HYDRA directly influenced the Season 2 plot of AoS
-Captain Marvel and AoS both have characters who have been infused with Kree blood (and I'm willing to bet that Carol Danvers was a big inspiration for the creation of the TAHITI project)
-Fury references AoS vaguely at the end of Age of Ultron when he's pulling up in the helicarrier (Coulson was the one who had it fixed in AoS)
-The Sokovia Accords directly effect the events of AoS in the later seasons
-Talbot becoming Graviton is as a direct result of the threat Thanos showed to Earth
-Coulson tells Hill the location of the Scepter, who passes that information on to the Avengers
-Vision references more people gaining powers (paraphrasing) at the beginning of Civil War, which is a sneaky reference to the Inhuman explosion in AoS just before this

And then easter eggs:
-There's apparently a missing book in one of the sanctums in Dr. Strange, which was taken during AoS (I'm not 100% sure on this one, but I did hear it)
-Fury uses a device invented by Fitz to escape his car in Winter Soldier
-Lady Sif, Nick Fury, and Mariah Hill appear in AoS
-Daisy Johnson and Matt Murdock grew up in the same orphanage
-Speaking of, the Metro General Hospital that Claire works at in the Netflix MCU appears in Dr. Strange (and this is a fictional hospital)
-The Watchdogs episode of AoS references season 2 of Daredevil with news reports about "shootings and gang violence in Hell's Kitchen"
-Jack Murdock fought Carl Creel in the ring before all of this took place
-The Dogs of Hell appear in both the Netflix shows and AoS
-Judas Bullets appear in Luke Cage and AoS
-Micro, the hacker from season 1 of Punisher, is mentioned by Daisy two years before Punisher debuted

Honestly, most of it IS easter eggs for a lot of reasons, most of them office politics between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV. Most of the directors/producers/actors/fans seem very open to the idea of crossovers.
This appears to prove my point, thanks.

I enjoyed the more significant crossovers that happened in the first couple of seasons of AOS (the Hydra/Winter Solider story was genuinely superb) but I appreciate how complex that must be and particularly the tensions between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV. So I don't mind it being lower-level mentions these days.
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Post by: Lonk on May 02, 2019, 05:54:21 AM
Wait...so since Tony figured out time travel, can we safely say he’s smarter than Shuri?

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: faizoff on May 02, 2019, 06:19:56 AM
In my rewatch of the phase one movies I realized that in the first Avengers movie, it isn't exactly explained how Thor is able to travel to Earth. All we see is some lightning and Thor appears. With Loki we know he came via the portal opened by the Tesseract. In the first Thor movie, in the end we see the bifrost bridge get destroyed and Loki mentions there are other ways to go in and out of Asgard.

Was it ever mentioned how Thor is able to transport like that? I know in Infinity War he gets Stormbreaker which allows him travel. Did Mjolnir have the same power?
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Post by: ariich on May 02, 2019, 06:57:23 AM
Wait...so since Tony figured out time travel, can we safely say he’s smarter than Shuri?
I don't think it says anything one way or the other. He solved it based on Pym's theories and technology as prompted by Scott. Nothing to say whether Shuri could or couldn't have also solved it in the same situation.
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 07:01:34 AM
In my rewatch of the phase one movies I realized that in the first Avengers movie, it isn't exactly explained how Thor is able to travel to Earth. All we see is some lightning and Thor appears. With Loki we know he came via the portal opened by the Tesseract. In the first Thor movie, in the end we see the bifrost bridge get destroyed and Loki mentions there are other ways to go in and out of Asgard.

Was it ever mentioned how Thor is able to transport like that? I know in Infinity War he gets Stormbreaker which allows him travel. Did Mjolnir have the same power?

Loki mentioned Odin using dark magic to get Thor to Earth.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (NO ENDGAME SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD UNTIL MAY 10)
Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2019, 07:54:26 AM
In my rewatch of the phase one movies I realized that in the first Avengers movie, it isn't exactly explained how Thor is able to travel to Earth. All we see is some lightning and Thor appears. With Loki we know he came via the portal opened by the Tesseract. In the first Thor movie, in the end we see the bifrost bridge get destroyed and Loki mentions there are other ways to go in and out of Asgard.

Was it ever mentioned how Thor is able to transport like that? I know in Infinity War he gets Stormbreaker which allows him travel. Did Mjolnir have the same power?

Loki mentioned Odin using dark magic to get Thor to Earth.

Yes.  This is mentioned in Thor: TDW.  But it is again referenced in Infinity War when Heimdall asks for the dark magic to send Hulk to earth.
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Post by: Orbert on May 02, 2019, 07:59:57 AM
Someone mentioned that there are four people in the universe who are "worthy"?  I don't remember that from the old lore, but it's been a long time.

Anyway, there's this:  Thor Meets Mr. Rogers (http://geekxgirls.com/article.php?ID=11339)
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 02, 2019, 12:46:24 PM
Someone mentioned that there are four people in the universe who are "worthy"?  I don't remember that from the old lore, but it's been a long time.

Anyway, there's this:  Thor Meets Mr. Rogers (http://geekxgirls.com/article.php?ID=11339)

Oh yeah, that was me. I was just talking about how only 5 characters in the MCU have shown to be able to hold Mjolnir or Stormbreaker: Thor, Hela, Vision, Captain America, and Thanos. Also, that comic hit me right in the feels.

I was thinking about it earlier, and honestly I think Black Widow in IW/Endgame is one of the best portrayals of a female super hero or even a female action hero in general we have in film. Like...there's no points of obvious sexualization of her character in either movie that I can think of. Her outfits in both movies are more practical and more in line with what her male counterparts are wearing, and it doesn't seem like they're obviously designed to "highlight" anything. On top of that, there is little to no references to romantic relationships (just one acknowledge awkward moment with Bruce) and she spends approx. 0 moments in the movie talking about love, her infertility, or anything of that sort. Every bit of her dialog in the movie is a reaction to her established character arc ("red in the ledger", etc.) or the events going around her. They let her have awesome action moments, awesome non-action moments, and even some moments of emotional suffering. Often times it feels like male writers try to go too far in one direction or the other, and either end up writing a hot mess of a stereotype or an uninteresting "hardcore" woman who doesn't feel anything and just seems like a jerk. Even her scene on Vormir establishes her and Hawkeye as each other's "that which you love most" WITHOUT it being or feeling romantic in any way. They're just really close friends who happen to be of the opposite sex rather than the directors/writers trying to shoehorn some romance there. It feels like they wrote her as a superhero who happens to be a woman, rather than a woman who happens to be a superhero and that is SO refreshing to see. It honestly makes me so much more excited for her solo movie.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 02, 2019, 01:08:09 PM
Someone mentioned that there are four people in the universe who are "worthy"?  I don't remember that from the old lore, but it's been a long time.

Anyway, there's this:  Thor Meets Mr. Rogers (http://geekxgirls.com/article.php?ID=11339)

Oh yeah, that was me. I was just talking about how only 5 characters in the MCU have shown to be able to hold Mjolnir or Stormbreaker: Thor, Hela, Vision, Captain America, and Thanos. Also, that comic hit me right in the feels.


6 if counting Thanos, don't forget Odin.

And according to Wikipedia we have a long list of wielders:

Individuals in the primary continuity

    Thor Odinson[28]
    Roger "Red" Norvell[29]
    Beta Ray Bill[30]
    Captain America[31][32]
    Eric Masterson[33]
    Odin (Thor's father)
    Bor (Thor's grandfather)[34]
    Buri (also known as Tiwaz, Thor's great-grandfather)[35]
    Loki[36][37]
    Jane Foster[21][38]
    Squirrel Girl[39]
    The Destroyer [40]
    Steve Rogers[41] (only possible after the cosmic cube rewrote reality to change the nature of the enchantment)

And some other listed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir_(comics)#Wielders
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 01:11:27 PM
Yea, the comics list is much much longer.

In the movies, Stormbreaker can be wielded by anyone. Don't have to be worthy.

As far as I know the hammer originally belonged to Thor and Hela, so both of them can lift it without necessarily being worthy. Of those that were deemed worthy, so far it's just Thor, Vision, and Cap.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 02, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
Yea, the comics list is much much longer.

In the movies, Stormbreaker can be wielded by anyone. Don't have to be worthy.

As far as I know the hammer originally belonged to Thor and Hela, so both of them can lift it without necessarily being worthy. Of those that were deemed worthy, so far it's just Thor, Vision, and Cap.

I wasn't sure on that, so I looked it up and it looks like you're right (https://i.stack.imgur.com/ox0PN.jpg). So I guess Thanos isn't worthy. Just Thor/Vision/Hela/Odin/Cap.

Also, Thor and Hela have to be deemed "worthy" to wield it. The whole arc of Thor's first movie is him proving that he's worthy. Then there's him saying "I'm still worthy" in Endgame
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Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2019, 01:32:11 PM
Thanos didn't lift Mjolnir, did he?  I'm not recalling him doing that.  The only ones in the MCU that lifted Mjolnir are Thor, Vision, and Cap on screen (and you can make an argument for Odin). 

I believe it was implied that, worthy or not, Odin played a role in the enchantment being part of it anyway, and it's not clear whether the enchantment itself was applied at the time he speaks of it when he casts Thor out in the first Thor movie, but it seems that way. 

As mentioned above, I think Hela's situation was (1) her power supersedes the enchantment, so it's not a question of her being "worthy" and (2) she had a relationship with the hammer before Thor was even born, as shown in the painting she uncovers in Ragnarok, which appears to show her with it (which also seems to support that the enchantment was added later).  But in Ragnarok, she doesn't "weild" it--she merely stops it and destroys it, which, going back to point #1 seems to show that she was simply more powerful than the enchantment.

And as Adami said, there was no such enchantment placed on Stormbreaker.
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 01:32:47 PM
I'm not sure what you're saying at the end. I think Odin and Hela might supersede the worthiness enchantment since they could hold it beforehand? Best I can come up with.

Plus hela doesn't actually wield it. She catches it and shatters it. Minor difference, but a difference.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 02, 2019, 01:41:05 PM
Thanos didn't lift Mjolnir, did he?

Thanos lifted Mjolnir after he attacked Starkiller Base and killed Cersei. Keep up, bosk...
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Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2019, 01:43:36 PM
I'm not sure what you're saying at the end. I think Odin and Hela might supersede the worthiness enchantment since they could hold it beforehand? Best I can come up with.

???  That's what I said.  Which part at the end to you not understand?

Plus hela doesn't actually wield it. She catches it and shatters it. Minor difference, but a difference.

???  That's what I said.
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 01:44:35 PM
I'm not sure what you're saying at the end. I think Odin and Hela might supersede the worthiness enchantment since they could hold it beforehand? Best I can come up with.

???  That's what I said.  Which part at the end to you not understand?

Plus hela doesn't actually wield it. She catches it and shatters it. Minor difference, but a difference.

???  That's what I said.

I think you posted it right as I did. So I was responding to the post before yours.

DAMN YOUR FAST FINGERS!

Yea, looks like there was a 30 second difference between our posts. Great minds think alike.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 02, 2019, 01:48:58 PM
There was a line in Ragnarok where Hela said "He told you you were worthy. He said the same thing to me."  Which suggests the enchantment has always been there.  In Thor (movie), Odin shouts at Thor "You are UNWORTHY", and thus negating his ability to wield it.  If it was that simple, you'd think Odin would've made Hela unworthy too, no.  But maybe when he banished her, he forgot to make her unworthy.  Then, he couldn't, because she was banished, so she technically remained "worthy"?  That's the best I can do. 

In the comics, the inscription was put on when the hammer was forged, so the enchantment ALWAYS has been in place.  I just assumed the line from the movie was solely for the purposes of audience members who didn't know jack-shit about Mjolnir, not WHEN the enchantment was placed on the hammer.

Back to the EG spoilers, I noticed when Prof Hulk was gonna bring Cap back from the return-the-stones mission, just before he counted got to zero in his countdown, there was a sound effect suggesting old-Cap came back.  But I'm not really sure the logic as to how/why he blew right past the platform.  Also not sure what time period he's bringing the shield from?
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 01:54:07 PM
There was a line in Ragnarok where Hela said "He told you you were worthy. He said the same thing to me."  Which suggests the enchantment has always been there.  In Thor (movie), Odin shouts at Thor "You are UNWORTHY", and thus negating his ability to wield it.  If it was that simple, you'd think Odin would've made Hela unworthy too, no.  But maybe when he banished her, he forgot to make her unworthy.  Then, he couldn't, because she was banished, so she technically remained "worthy"?  That's the best I can do. 

In the comics, the inscription was put on when the hammer was forged, so the enchantment ALWAYS has been in place.  I just assumed the line from the movie was solely for the purposes of audience members who didn't know jack-shit about Mjolnir, not WHEN the enchantment was placed on the hammer.

Back to the EG spoilers, I noticed when Prof Hulk was gonna bring Cap back from the return-the-stones mission, just before he counted got to zero in his countdown, there was a sound effect suggesting old-Cap came back.  But I'm not really sure the logic as to how/why he blew right past the platform.  Also not sure what time period he's bringing the shield from?

Well Odin enchants the hammer right when he casts out Thor, so I assume that's when it came about. Maybe beforehand you had to be worthy of Hela? Who knows.

And cap brought the shield back from an alternate reality. Not sure we'll ever get that story, but I'm fine without it.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2019, 02:01:28 PM
Back to the EG spoilers, I noticed when Prof Hulk was gonna bring Cap back from the return-the-stones mission, just before he counted got to zero in his countdown, there was a sound effect suggesting old-Cap came back.  But I'm not really sure the logic as to how/why he blew right past the platform.  Also not sure what time period he's bringing the shield from?

I don't think that brought him "back."  Remember--he took extra vials of Pym particles--i.e., more than what he and Tony needed for the initial mission.  I've seen it suggested by a theorist that was getting pretty deep on how the multiverse time travel theory is supposed to work that when Cap went back and stayed with Peggy, another alternate reality was formed.  If that is the case, he would have used a vial to transport back to the "present" time AND reality without the need for Hulk's time travel machine, just as he and Tony were able to do with their own supply of particles when they jumped from 2009 back to 1970.  But I don't even think that is necessary.  To me, it seemed like what was implied was just that he went back to be with Peggy and lived out his life, and then at the right time, him being still alive, he strolled up to the park bench and sat down.  But I dunno.  Hard to tell what they intended with that.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 02, 2019, 02:27:55 PM
I read that theory too (I think it was posted here, no?).  Anyway, I'm not stuffed over how he got to the bench.  I was totally fine with it.  But, whatever reality he came from, isn't the assumption that he came/went back to Peggy *after* Steve Rogers went (with the shield) into the ice?  Not a big deal, but I'm just curious how the timeline would've played out for him to get a hold of a shield to give to Sam.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2019, 02:57:55 PM
If we could ask the screen writers, I'm not sure whether there is a thoughtful explanation, or whether they would say "don't overthink it; we didn't."  I'm good either way.
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 02:58:44 PM
I say how he got the shield isn't too important.

Regarding how he got to the bench....I dunno....but they did confirm he lived his life in an alternate timeline, so the cap on that bench traveled back to the prime reality to do that.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 02, 2019, 03:17:51 PM
If we could ask the screen writers, I'm not sure whether there is a thoughtful explanation, or whether they would say "don't overthink it; we didn't."  I'm good either way.

You know where you are right now, eh?  This is DTF.  No one would have more than 500 posts if we didn't overthink.  ;D
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 02, 2019, 07:50:59 PM
I say how he got the shield isn't too important.

Regarding how he got to the bench....I dunno....but they did confirm he lived his life in an alternate timeline, so the cap on that bench traveled back to the prime reality to do that.

When did they confirm that? In the movie or a subsequent interview?
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Post by: Adami on May 02, 2019, 08:13:00 PM
I say how he got the shield isn't too important.

Regarding how he got to the bench....I dunno....but they did confirm he lived his life in an alternate timeline, so the cap on that bench traveled back to the prime reality to do that.

When did they confirm that? In the movie or a subsequent interview?

Interview. I think it was posted a few pages ago.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 02, 2019, 08:13:30 PM
I say how he got the shield isn't too important.

Regarding how he got to the bench....I dunno....but they did confirm he lived his life in an alternate timeline, so the cap on that bench traveled back to the prime reality to do that.

When did they confirm that? In the movie or a subsequent interview?

An interview with the writers of the time travel of Endgame
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 01:50:57 PM
So something that just hit me. Minor, but sweet.

In homecoming, Peter tries to hug Tony but is told "we're not there yet" then when Tony sees Peter after the snap he just gives him a huge hug.


Also just to have it on record from the directors and/or writers, both 2019 Gamora and 2023 Black Widow are dead forever. They said the soul stone trade is permanent, so even if Cap put the stone back, they don't come back to life or anything.

I know some people thought they'd come back, but unless she was dusted, then we have 2014 Gamora in 2023 and no more Black Widow.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 03, 2019, 02:01:00 PM
That hug moment was really cool.  And Peter's comment ... "oh, ok... this is nice".
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Post by: gmillerdrake on May 03, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
That hug moment was really cool.  And Peter's comment ... "oh, ok... this is nice".

As someone who isn't nearly as invested in the franchise as others.....that hug and look on Stark's face made the movie for me. That moment was awesome and some weird thing happened in my eyes where water started filling them?
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Post by: The Walrus on May 03, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
Loved that hug.

Someone on reddit pointed out that Ben Mendelsohn is visible at the end of Endgame, the principal standing in the halls behind Peter when he goes back to school. Ben also plays Talos in Captain Marvel. Coincidence?!
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Post by: Orbert on May 03, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
So something that just hit me. Minor, but sweet.

In homecoming, Peter tries to hug Tony but is told "we're not there yet" then when Tony sees Peter after the snap he just gives him a huge hug.

Nice.  So many callbacks, Easter eggs, nuggets... they're everywhere.


Also just to have it on record from the directors and/or writers, both 2019 Gamora and 2023 Black Widow are dead forever. They said the soul stone trade is permanent, so even if Cap put the stone back, they don't come back to life or anything.

I know some people thought they'd come back, but unless she was dusted, then we have 2014 Gamora in 2023 and no more Black Widow.

Sad but true.  Makes both the upcoming Black Widow movie and GotGv3 more interesting (maybe).
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 03, 2019, 03:09:34 PM
Loved that hug.

Someone on reddit pointed out that Ben Mendelsohn is visible at the end of Endgame, the principal standing in the halls behind Peter when he goes back to school. Ben also plays Talos in Captain Marvel. Coincidence?!

He's there. Yes.

(https://i.ibb.co/0BZRPhz/Ben.png)
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Post by: Lonk on May 03, 2019, 03:18:52 PM
Interesting read about the importance of AOU

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/hear-us-out-age-of-ultron-could-be-the-most-important-movie-in-the-mcu/
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 03, 2019, 03:31:23 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/t8X8KCN/58625911-10219824173542657-6722527887380971520-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D5p5WK6)

I just saw this post on FB
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Post by: Adami on May 03, 2019, 03:32:32 PM
You know that's not real, right?
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 03, 2019, 03:39:07 PM
You know that's not real, right?

I know, but one can dream, right?  :biggrin:
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 03, 2019, 05:18:50 PM
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/3/18528370/spider-man-far-from-home-trailer-avengers-endgame-spoiler-warning-russo-brothers-marvel
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Post by: erwinrafael on May 04, 2019, 12:13:10 AM
I agree with Chad.

I was waiting to see how they shoehorned a scene like that in, and rolled my eyes when I saw it. It doesn't negatively impact the movie for me at all. It's just... yea

That female power scene felt very out of place, even my girlfriend turned to me and said "that was unnecesary". We get it, there's some badass females in the Avengers/MCU, but we (the audience) aren't that dumb to not realize it, we don't need to be told "oh, look they're badass because they're female #feminism". Like you said, it doesn't impact the movie overall, but it was completely unnecesary.

I know at least five female friends whose gave superhero movies a chance because of Captain Marvel. So much so that they watched the previous movies and enjoyed Avengers Endgame, some of them actually clamoring that there should be more of these scenes or more Captain Marvel, etc. A lot of times, representation is necessary to draw in a new segment of an audience. That scene is barely half a minute long. That's short compared to the five minutes or so of white cis-gendered male fantasy of the Big 3 going against Thanos.

And it's actually just another shoutout to the comic books.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/3b/A-Force_Vol_1_5.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151009184231)
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Post by: faizoff on May 04, 2019, 09:37:18 AM
Saw it again last night in Dolby Cinema. What an awesome audio experience. I loved the movie even more in second viewing. Somehow the movie felt shorter lol.

I'm thinking the reason why Peter Parker is back in high school is due to Tony's snap somehow.
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Post by: Adami on May 04, 2019, 09:43:26 AM
Saw it again last night in Dolby Cinema. What an awesome audio experience. I loved the movie even more in second viewing. Somehow the movie felt shorter lol.

I'm thinking the reason why Peter Parker is back in high school is due to Tony's snap somehow.

Peter's back in high school because he didn't age and is still high school age.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 04, 2019, 11:25:28 AM
Peter's back in high school because he didn't age and is still high school age.

due to Tony's snap somehow.
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Post by: Adami on May 04, 2019, 11:27:23 AM
But that nothing to do with Tony's snap. That was Hulk's snap.

Tony's snap just killed Thanos and his peeps
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Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2019, 01:09:59 PM
It could ofc be addressed in Far From Home but it does feel a bit far fetched that none of Peter's classmates (the important ones from Homecoming) survived the snap and they are all the same age still. I mean you can still explain it cause technically only half the population died, but more a "whats the chances?" situation. :P
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Post by: The Walrus on May 04, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
Saw it again last night at 11. There were still a number of people who were seeing it for the first time and most of the big moments still got a big reaction. Fat Thor, Cap + Mjolnir, "Hail Hydra," and "on your left" got the most response. Someone with a mouth full of food yelled WHAT when Thanos got his head axed  :lol

Also I saw Howard the Duck, but the principal in Parker's high school... he looked too old to be BM imo
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Post by: ariich on May 04, 2019, 02:04:09 PM
It could ofc be addressed in Far From Home but it does feel a bit far fetched that none of Peter's classmates (the important ones from Homecoming) survived the snap and they are all the same age still. I mean you can still explain it cause technically only half the population died, but more a "whats the chances?" situation. :P
How many are we talking about here? I mean Peter, Ned and "MJ" seem like the necessary ones to me, so that's 3 people. That's a 1 in 8 chance so perfectly feasible. If there are more and *none* of them were snapped, then I agree that does seem fairly unlikely.
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Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on May 04, 2019, 02:17:42 PM
It could ofc be addressed in Far From Home but it does feel a bit far fetched that none of Peter's classmates (the important ones from Homecoming) survived the snap and they are all the same age still. I mean you can still explain it cause technically only half the population died, but more a "whats the chances?" situation. :P
How many are we talking about here? I mean Peter, Ned and "MJ" seem like the necessary ones to me, so that's 3 people. That's a 1 in 8 chance so perfectly feasible. If there are more and *none* of them were snapped, then I agree that does seem fairly unlikely.

Don't forget Flash. So that makes 4 at the very least. And maybe it's just me, but Aunt May doesn't look to be much older in the trailer either.
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Post by: Adami on May 04, 2019, 03:43:26 PM
I think I read that the Russos's said May survived the Snap.


For people like her, we might be overestimating how much 5 years ages someone.

But yea, with Spider-Man, Ned was confirmed to have been snapped. The other two are MJ and Flash. I assume MJ is the same age since it'd be odd for a 5 years older MJ to be hitting on a 16 or 17 year old Parker. Flash though....who knows? Maybe he's a teacher's aid or something now? I dunno


I believe the trailer also showed Betty Brandt as not aging. So it's a growing list. But all in all, it doesn't bug me much. I mean, what are the odds of ANY Avenegrs survivng a 50/50 snap? Nonetheless all of the originals. So I'm good.
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Post by: ariich on May 04, 2019, 03:56:20 PM
I think I read that the Russos's said May survived the Snap.


For people like her, we might be overestimating now much 5 years ages someone.
Yeah seriously, past like mid 20s people seem to hardly age in 5 years.
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Post by: Zantera on May 04, 2019, 05:06:12 PM
It could ofc be addressed in Far From Home but it does feel a bit far fetched that none of Peter's classmates (the important ones from Homecoming) survived the snap and they are all the same age still. I mean you can still explain it cause technically only half the population died, but more a "whats the chances?" situation. :P
How many are we talking about here? I mean Peter, Ned and "MJ" seem like the necessary ones to me, so that's 3 people. That's a 1 in 8 chance so perfectly feasible. If there are more and *none* of them were snapped, then I agree that does seem fairly unlikely.

Im thinking about the scene at the end of the Far From Home trailer when it's Peter's classmates all gathered watching the news with Mysterio (I believe) and apart from Ned, MJ, Flash and Betty Brant there's a few other faces from Homecoming too. Something like 6 or 7 classmates I believe.
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Post by: Adami on May 04, 2019, 05:10:50 PM
I just checked that scene. I could see Betty, Ned, MJ, and Flash from Homecoming. Then there's 2 other people there that I don't recognize at all.
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Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on May 04, 2019, 05:37:42 PM
I think I read that the Russos's said May survived the Snap.


For people like her, we might be overestimating now much 5 years ages someone.
Yeah seriously, past like mid 20s people seem to hardly age in 5 years.

I mean, sure. I'm mostly going off the idea that the filmmakers would want to make an age change fairly visually obvious, or at least I would assume, as was the case for the 5 years older Tony in Endgame.

Then again, all this is to assume that the footage in the FFH trailer isn't altered for the final product, which has happened pretty frequently for the past few MCU films, usually to avoid spoilers.
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Post by: Adami on May 04, 2019, 06:15:34 PM
So just for comparison, he's Marisa Tomei in 2019 and also in 2014. Here's what five years does to her.

(https://www.hawtcelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/marisa-tomei-at-2014-palm-springs-international-film-festival_1.jpg)

(https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/K55WFRHoodqVsJ752vtdyLAclRc/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2019/02/25/854/n/1922153/9b9b3b3fb27341dc_GettyImages-1127261466/i/Marisa-Tomei-2019-Vanity-Fair-Oscars-Party.jpg)
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 04, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
I mean, she looks pretty much the same in both of those pictures. Not hard to believe that she's aged 5 years in between Infinity War and Homecoming. I'm more interested in how they're gonna handle her dealing with Spidey getting snapped, because they didn't give that any weight at all in Endgame.

Also the memes for Endgame are fantastic so far guys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQz5H_Yo5a0)
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Post by: lordxizor on May 05, 2019, 07:25:57 AM
Kids/teens age a ton in 5 years. Once you're past your mid-20s it isn't going to make a huge difference for most people. Except maybe men who lose their hair.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 06, 2019, 07:55:08 AM
Not really MCU, but close enough:  Saw Into the Spiderverse last night with the kids.  It wasn't great, but I enjoyed it.  The biggest gimmick appears to be the meta-nature of the entire thing.  I am familiar enough with the "spiderverse" to have gotten the basic idea and some of the jokes.  But I'm sure a lot more moments hit home for those who have stayed up on all the comics in the last two decades.  Still, a fun movie, despite a lot of the final act being seizure inducing.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 06, 2019, 08:06:51 AM
New Far From Home trailer - warning, big-big Endgame spoilers in here.  Tom Holland even gives a PSA before the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt9L1jCKGnE

Giggity.  Looks very nice.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 08:15:31 AM
New Far From Home trailer - warning, big-big Endgame spoilers in here.  Tom Holland even gives a PSA before the trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt9L1jCKGnE

Giggity.  Looks very nice.

 :eek HYPED!
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Post by: bosk1 on May 06, 2019, 08:37:05 AM
That looks...AWESOME.

Now I see why this is still considered the end of phase 3.  Seems like a fitting way to close the book on Stark's arc.  And along those lines, I have to say that I am REALLY glad Marvel and Sony were able to strike their deal that allowed Spiderman to become part of the MCU.  They have used his character EXTREMELY well.
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Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 08:45:03 AM
Woah. That trailer was intense! I am so excited for this movie now.
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Post by: Orbert on May 06, 2019, 11:14:36 AM
Looks pretty fun.  I like how the theme music was integrated at the very end there.

A bigger role for Happy?  I guess it makes sense, and the trailer could make it look like there's a lot more of him than actually in the film.  For all we know, we just saw most of his screen time.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 11:16:35 AM
Does that confirm the multiverse? I had to play the trailer with the volume low but I heard something about other dimensions.
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Post by: Orbert on May 06, 2019, 11:28:05 AM
That's what I got out of it.  Fury said the guy ("Beck"?) is from Earth, just not our Earth.

Someone commented about "MJ" upthread and I didn't quite follow, but now I think I get it.  Zendaya's character is Michelle Jones, but she goes by "MJ".  Mary Jane of course was often "MJ", so there's the connection.  But... why?  I mean, why do it this way?  Because they didn't know whether to go with Mary Jane or Gwen?  Because Zendaya isn't white and thus couldn't portray either of them without some fans going apeshit?  So this is what they ended up with?
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Post by: bosk1 on May 06, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
:thoryes:

I knew it!

The Russos and McFeely basically confirmed that Cap was basically bluffing when he tried to pick up the hammer in AOU.

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Another huge surprise in “Endgame” is the climactic moment when Captain America wields Thor’s hammer, Mjolnir. The twist has led many Marvel fans to wonder why Captain American could finally pick up the hammer after failing to do so during the opening of “Avengers: Age of Ultron.” McFeely said there are two possible answers, one of which is that Steve could have been bluffing in “Ultron” as to not upset Thor (this is an answer shared by director Joe Russo). A second answer deals with Captain America’s guilt.

“Another interesting version which we did not really consider, but I’ll go with, which is, at that time, in ‘Ultron,’ he’s holding on to a secret about Tony Stark’s parents,” McFeely said. “He’s withholding this thing from Tony, that his parents were murdered by his friend, Bucky. Or he likely knew that. And so, only when that is released, only when he tells the truth to Tony in ‘Civil War,’ is he worthy to wield the hammer. That comes from the internet. That’s not necessarily what we were thinking, but I kinda like it.”

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Clark:What made Cap finally worthy of Thor's hammer? Was there a specific instance, because in "Avengers: Age of Ultron," he nudges it, but can't quite pick it up.

Joe: I think in "Age of Ultron" he may have not picked up the hammer in order to not embarrass Thor.

Anthony: That's the way we think of it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 06, 2019, 01:24:56 PM
Considering they weren't involved in Age of Ultron, I'm not sure what makes them the authority to say so.   :P  If Fiege or Whedon said so, then I'd buy it.
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Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 01:59:15 PM
Only issue with that, is that what they say is an interpretation. They can give definitive facts on their movies, but not that one. Only Joss Whedon can say what he meant in that scene.

So sorry Bosky, it's just very very important fans speculating.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 06, 2019, 02:04:55 PM
Not unless you change the definition of "speculating."  It's pretty much canon at this point, dude.  You have it right from the horse's mouth.
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Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 02:06:31 PM
Not unless you change the definition of "speculating."  It's pretty much canon at this point, dude.  You have it right from the horse's mouth.

But they ain't the horse. They weren't involved with the movie. The horses are Joss Whedon and Kevin Fiege. Sadly, they're the only ones who can confirm it.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 02:07:13 PM
Not exactly... Whedon wrote Ultron. McFeely, Markus, the Russos didn't. So really it's up to Whedon. Even in that quote you shared, it's more or less an interpretation that they're running with, not the actual fact from the real horse's mouth. :P

EDIT: What Adami and his fast fingers wrote. :P
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Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 02:10:27 PM
And Bosk, you may very well be right about Cap.

I looked up what Joss said about it. He doesn't give an answer but he hints that it's at least possible that cap chose to stop. Not enough to make a declarative statement, but enough to have a theory, which is dandy.
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Post by: Lonk on May 06, 2019, 02:10:30 PM
A sign of a good movie(s) is when the movie leaves room for open interpretations.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 06, 2019, 02:23:10 PM
Back to Spiderman:  This new trailer appears to reveal a LOT about what the plot and direction of the film will be.  As much as Engame was kept shrouded in secrecy and the trailers were very cryptic, I feel like the approach is completely different with Spiderman.  What do you guys think about that?  Part of me feels like they went too far and revealed too much.  But it could perhaps be a good strategy moving forward into the MCU.  A lot of the more casual fans or those who may be feeling a bit burned out and might not have made MCU films a priority going forward might be pulled back in knowing that there are very close tie-ins to Endgame.  And then if some of those fans end up liking this Spiderman film, they might be more inclined to go see whatever is next whereas they might not have, otherwise.

Or maybe they still just didn't need any of that and they revealed far too much.  Thoughts?
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Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 02:37:23 PM
I think it's a smart move to reveal what they did because now I'm way more excited to see the film and hopefully there are more references to things going hog wild after Endgame. I love the take that Mysterio is from another universe and that Spidey has to team up with him. LOVE it, love the strong connection and acknowledgment of Endgame's events, this is gonna be a fun one.
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Post by: Dream Team on May 06, 2019, 04:28:58 PM
Saw Endgame again, and now my big question is why the rush for Stark to snap? At that point the objective was to keep the gauntlet away from Thanos and return the stones to their timelines. Better to give it back to Danvers who would likely not be injured by the snap.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 06, 2019, 04:34:49 PM
I think it more has to do with the fact that Sony's the one that preps the trailer and markets the movie. The trailers for both Spidey movies have been "off brand" by MCU standards but it's much more in line with how Sony would market it.

Also, I'm of the opinion that Mysterio's totally faking everything. iirc wasn't he kind of a trickster character and an illusionist or something in the comics? It could very well be that he's gonna pull a Syndrome and fabricate the battles to make himself look like a hero for some reason or another. Or he's going to be lying about the whole multiverse thing, but then Marvel's like "well, no, but actually yes" and it turns out to be true.

Seconding being more excited with the direct references to Endgame in the trailer. There's a LOT of potential fallout from both The Snap and The Unsnap to go through and I'm interested in how they're going to tackle that and the characters dealing with IM's death (especially since word is that AoS is apparently not going to at all).

Saw Endgame again, and now my big question is why the rush for Stark to snap? At that point the objective was to keep the gauntlet away from Thanos and return the stones to their timelines. Better to give it back to Danvers who would likely not be injured by the snap.

Well, I mean, there's a couple of problems with that:
1) Danvers is kinda unconscious atm because she kinda got a full force blast from the power gem
2) Thanos is a major threat even without the infinity gauntlet.
3) There was an interview I read where they confirmed that she can't wield the Infinity Gauntlet either. The only Avenger who can wield it without biting the dust is Hulk iirc
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Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 04:35:12 PM
Saw Endgame again, and now my big question is why the rush for Stark to snap? At that point the objective was to keep the gauntlet away from Thanos and return the stones to their timelines. Better to give it back to Danvers who would likely not be injured by the snap.

Because people were dying. The world was in danger. Thanos might have killed more Avengers. Tony couldn't NOT prevent the further loss of life. Especially after Endgame where his life was traded for trillions. It's very much in character for him to do what he did. He finally had the power to protect those he loves for good, and he did that.
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Post by: Adami on May 06, 2019, 06:17:09 PM
Feels weird having to discuss Spider-Man in this thread, but so it goes.


So since there's now multiple universes, here's my theory.

Mysterio is a nobody villain in his world. Basically a joke. Then when he realizes he can move universes, he finds this one where most of the heroes are dead (I'll assume he came pre-snap, though who knows? doesn't matter much) or not and decides to try to con our universe. So he comes in, pretends to be a big hero, sets up his own problems to solve and just wants love and admiration. Spidey finds out eventually and 3rd act is them two fighting.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 06, 2019, 06:34:38 PM
I like that, Adami.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 07, 2019, 05:51:08 AM
Saw Endgame again, and now my big question is why the rush for Stark to snap? At that point the objective was to keep the gauntlet away from Thanos and return the stones to their timelines. Better to give it back to Danvers who would likely not be injured by the snap.

Because people were dying. The world was in danger. Thanos might have killed more Avengers. Tony couldn't NOT prevent the further loss of life. Especially after Endgame where his life was traded for trillions. It's very much in character for him to do what he did. He finally had the power to protect those he loves for good, and he did that.

The real answer is that there was only 1 / 14M chances to win.

Makes that scene in Avengers between Tony/Cap about 'I'd just cut the wire' all the more retrospective.  Tony did lay down his life - for real this time - to save others.  And yeah... all the other Avengers were down an out.  Tony was out of time and had to do what had to be done.   Seems he'd be more worthy than Cap to wield Mjolnir!   :D 
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Post by: bosk1 on May 07, 2019, 01:15:27 PM
Seems he'd be more worthy than Cap to wield Mjolnir!   :D 
Speaking of that, Joe Russo apparently doubled down and AGAIN said he was bluffing in AOU.  :lol  So I guess the only contrary position depends on debating the definition of "horse." 
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Post by: Orbert on May 07, 2019, 01:25:52 PM
Is it spelled out somewhere exactly what makes someone "worthy" to wield Mjolnir?  A list of qualifications, a general statement, anything?
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Post by: JayOctavarium on May 07, 2019, 01:30:47 PM
3 years minimum prior experience being "worthy" ...

But you can't get that experience unless because you aren't worthy.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 07, 2019, 03:41:48 PM
Is it spelled out somewhere exactly what makes someone "worthy" to wield Mjolnir?  A list of qualifications, a general statement, anything?

I did some Google Fu, and there's apparently not even a set list of qualifications in the comics. It seems to be that you have to have "good intentions" when lifting Mjolnir, a "heart of a warrior", be of "pure heart and noble mind", and courageous. Also Mjolnir is sentient and has its own qualifications. There was a point where even Odin couldn't lift it apparently.

It might be the same in the MCU, but it looks really inconsistent.
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Post by: Orbert on May 07, 2019, 04:16:28 PM
Seems like they included some of the things you'd expect, but intentionally left it a bit open so that you could still be surprised once in a while by a storyline or a specific character (Captain America, Mister Rogers, etc.)
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Post by: bosk1 on May 07, 2019, 04:42:37 PM
I think it's even simpler than that.  I don't think the comics really had a clear description of what "worthy" meant or any intent to define it.  And through the years, with different writers and different storylines, what constituted "worthy" was up to whatever a particular Marvel writer wanted to do with the story.  In other words, there isn't a set meaning, and it has likely changed many times over time.

I think the same is basically true in the films. 
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2019, 04:52:52 PM
Actually, in the MCU there is a very specific list of criteria that makes you worthy of lifting Mjolnir. It's actually just one thing.

1) Must be played by a Chris.

Oddly, StarLord could have lifted it too. Just never tried
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 07, 2019, 05:09:19 PM
Actually, in the MCU there is a very specific list of criteria that makes you worthy of lifting Mjolnir. It's actually just one thing.

1) Must be played by a Chris.

Oddly, StarLord could have lifted it too. Just never tried

Ah yes, all the wielders of Mjolnir: Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Chris Bettany, Chris Hopkins, and Chris Blanchett.
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2019, 05:16:56 PM
Actually, in the MCU there is a very specific list of criteria that makes you worthy of lifting Mjolnir. It's actually just one thing.

1) Must be played by a Chris.

Oddly, StarLord could have lifted it too. Just never tried

Ah yes, all the wielders of Mjolnir: Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Chris Bettany, Chris Hopkins, and Chris Blanchett.

And what happened to people not named Chris? THEY ALL DIED!
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 07, 2019, 06:19:30 PM
I mean, tbf, Chris Pratt did die in IW and Chris Evans did die of old age shortly after Endgame (most likely). Also those last three people died fo sho

So all the Chrises besides Hemsworth have died so far
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2019, 06:39:07 PM
Listen, this is clearly the most important conversation to happen yet in this thread, so I ain't giving up.

Currently in the MCU, all three Chris's are alive and well. We ain't see Cap's body, cap ain't dead.

So all Chris's alive. Everyone else who wielded Mjolnir is dead.

As I said, if Peter Quill tried to pick up the hammer, he could do it. If only he knew that.

If Trevor from Wonder Woman hopped over to the MCU, he could pick it up too. It's science.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 07, 2019, 06:45:55 PM
RIP Thor
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 07, 2019, 09:01:01 PM
Listen, this is clearly the most important conversation to happen yet in this thread, so I ain't giving up.

Currently in the MCU, all three Chris's are alive and well. We ain't see Cap's body, cap ain't dead.

So all Chris's alive. Everyone else who wielded Mjolnir is dead.

As I said, if Peter Quill tried to pick up the hammer, he could do it. If only he knew that.

If Trevor from Wonder Woman hopped over to the MCU, he could pick it up too. It's science.

Those are all fair points. The question is now, is there a limit to the Chris rule? Do you have to be born a Chris or can people who identify as Chrises (e.g. Christopher Walken) also wield Mjolnir? Does it only apply to characters played by actors named Chris or can Christopher Robbin wield Mjolnir? What about Marty, the zebra from Madagascar? He's voiced by Chris Rock after all
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Post by: Adami on May 07, 2019, 09:03:23 PM
The rules are simple.

1) Played by an actor named Chris.
2) Character name doesn't matter
3) Animated characters....please, take this seriously.
4) Obviously Christopher Walken can wield Mjolnir. What a silly question. But beyond him, must be born a Chris.
5) Female Chris's can also wield it.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 07, 2019, 09:22:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AaFydsw.png)

Okay so apparently it's all true
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 08, 2019, 10:10:14 AM
Dear Lord
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Post by: Adami on May 08, 2019, 10:52:35 AM
Dear Lord

Well obviously YOU can wield Mjolnir. We just assumed that was a given.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 08, 2019, 02:56:26 PM
Dear Lord

Well obviously YOU can wield Mjolnir. We just assumed that was a given.
:djhef:
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 08, 2019, 03:14:47 PM
around here, isn't it Bosky that wields the banhammer?

:banhammer:
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Post by: PetFish on May 08, 2019, 03:18:14 PM
My only beef with the movie is that the whole thing is dependent on a Jonny Rat.  A fluke rat accidentally releases Ant-Man and saves the universe.  The universe is saved all because of blind luck and a ridiculous chance that Jonny Rat stumbles over the controls to release Ant-Man.

I can imagine the van being towed back to Scott's home and his daughter, who misses her Dad and is heavily mourning, is fiddling around with it trying to understand this thing that her Dad was so close to.  So, if she figures it out, great, but even if she also accidentally brings her Dad back it still works way better than some random vermin doing the deed.

TL;DR - Thanos is defeated and the universe is saved due to Jonny Rat and his dumb luck.
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Post by: The Walrus on May 08, 2019, 03:24:13 PM
I actually have zero issues with the rat. I have a much bigger problem with how TF the van got pulled off the roof and into Scott Lang's storage facility.
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Post by: Zook on May 08, 2019, 03:37:21 PM
I actually have zero issues with the rat. I have a much bigger problem with how TF the van got pulled off the roof and into Scott Lang's storage facility.

Must have been quite the surprise when they discovered it up there.
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 08, 2019, 06:31:38 PM
A sneak peak of the premier of season 6 of Agents of Shield has been released (No Endgame Spoilers). (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYLflMsfl_g) It looks absolutely fantastic tbh, like they've really ramped up the CG budget for this season.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 08, 2019, 07:18:01 PM
Major SPOILER:

In Avengers: Endgame all the characters live in a very deep state of depression for years. Black Widow, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Hawkeye, Thor, etc ... All except Bruce Banner.

In The Incredible Hulk (2008) we are shown that Banner can not have sex because when his heart rate accelerates he can transform into a Hulk. In Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) Banner tells Black Widow that he can not procreate children, alluding to the theme that he can not have sex.

In Endgame Bruce Banner and Hulk achieved the perfect balance to become a single person in body and mind, and all the time we see him as Professor Hulk, he is super happy in life, making jokes and very relaxed completely. It completely goes against the rest of the Avengers.

Why is he so happy? Simple: Bruce Banner can now fuck again.

During that period of 5 years, Banner has gain full control of his body and has been "crushing", taking off all the fever that he kept for years.

So that's why Hulk is so happy now.

If you have a friend who only lives in bitterness, you already know what they are lacking in their life.

 :facepalm:
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 08, 2019, 08:04:37 PM
1 in 14M dude. 1 in 14M
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 08, 2019, 08:38:59 PM
Soooo...basically "The GIF" is canon then?
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Post by: H2 on May 09, 2019, 12:54:46 PM
The FFH trailer has me so hyped. I'm so glad they are positioning Spidey to be the new face of the MCU, taking up the Iron Man mantle.
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Post by: Orbert on May 09, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
I kinda have mixed feelings about that.  Iron Man and Spider-Man are two of my favorites, but to me they're very different types of superheroes.  Stark's incredible gadgets and other tech wizardry put him in the same league (mostly) as "real" superheroes like Thor and Hulk, whose powers are literally superhuman.  Stark is a mere mortal, just with amazing tech.

Spider-Man on the other hand is superhuman, but on a rather small scale.  He can climb up walls, shoot webby stuff, and has "spider sense".  Also, he's a high-school student and honestly prefers to just be "your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man" and fight crime on that scale.  I don't see him grabbing a nuclear missile and riding it up into beyond the stratosphere to save the world.

So in the trailer when they said "So you're the next Iron Man?" I didn't really make that connection.  But the MCU has played up Stark's influence on Peter Parker, and his contributions to Spider-Man's tech, so maybe that's where they're going with this.  I guess we'll see.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 01:38:06 PM
I don't know.  I mean, I know that line is in there, but I kind of take it that Nick Fury is trying to get Spidey to live up to his potential.

I don't think that Marvel will ever want to have a character over which they don't have 100% control to be their "flagship" character.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 09, 2019, 01:53:33 PM
I don't know.  I mean, I know that line is in there, but I kind of take it that Nick Fury is trying to get Spidey to live up to his potential.

I don't think that Marvel will ever want to have a character over which they don't have 100% control to be their "flagship" character.

I agree.  But I think that, moving forward, Marvel will actually not have a true "flagship" character.  I saw talks of that being Captain Marvel.  But that didn't come from anyone at Marvel.  And let's be honest--the CM movie did great numbers, but it was also controversial, and there are a lot of people out there who flat out dislike the character.  So it ain't gonna be her.  And that's fine.  Her line that "there are a lot of other planets out there, and they don't have you guys" is perfect cover for her not being ubiquitous [she's busy elsewhere].  Who would it be?  I don't think there will be one.  I think the MCU will be a lot more loose moving forward.  I think they're just going to have a lot of films out there, loosely connected, and people who are heading toward burning out on superhero films will just sample what they like and ignore the rest, and I think Marvel would be smart to use that model (assuming they are). 
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 02:39:37 PM
I agree with all of that.
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Post by: ariich on May 09, 2019, 02:48:47 PM
Would you say the MCU has had a single flagship character up until now? I'm not sure it has. Good argument for Iron Man, but equally good arguments for Captain America.

So yeah I definitely agree that Marvel doesn't need a "face of the MCU".
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 09, 2019, 02:50:26 PM
Cap and Iron Man held it jointly.
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Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 02:56:07 PM
Let me know when the MCU puts Throg as it's flagship character.
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Post by: ariich on May 09, 2019, 03:02:48 PM
Let me know when the MCU puts Throg as it's flagship character.
I hadn't heard of Throg, so I googled him.

My first reaction was "haha that's so quirky".

Then I read his origin story and I'll be honest I didn't expect it so be so damn bleak. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Simon_Walterson_(Earth-97161)
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Post by: Ninjabait on May 09, 2019, 04:50:26 PM
I don't know.  I mean, I know that line is in there, but I kind of take it that Nick Fury is trying to get Spidey to live up to his potential.

I don't think that Marvel will ever want to have a character over which they don't have 100% control to be their "flagship" character.

I agree.  But I think that, moving forward, Marvel will actually not have a true "flagship" character.  I saw talks of that being Captain Marvel.  But that didn't come from anyone at Marvel.  And let's be honest--the CM movie did great numbers, but it was also controversial, and there are a lot of people out there who flat out dislike the character.  So it ain't gonna be her.  And that's fine. Her line that "there are a lot of other planets out there, and they don't have you guys" is perfect cover for her not being ubiquitous [she's busy elsewhere].  Who would it be?  I don't think there will be one.  I think the MCU will be a lot more loose moving forward.  I think they're just going to have a lot of films out there, loosely connected, and people who are heading toward burning out on superhero films will just sample what they like and ignore the rest, and I think Marvel would be smart to use that model (assuming they are).

Besides, y'know, Kevin Feige: (https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/03/15/captain-marvel-phase-four-kevin-feige/)

Quote
"When we found out that Brie Larson might be interested in joining our world, we had a number of meetings. She was a huge fan of the character in the comics. One of the highlights of my career at Marvel was introducing her at Comic-Con and having her come out on stage and stand there with literally almost everybody else from our movies. There she was at the forefront, and it was a great foreshadowing – not just for how audiences are going to embrace Brie as this character, but also for how Captain Marvel is about to take the lead and be at the forefront of the entire Cinematic Universe."

I don't really agree with anything you said there, and I think the hate towards Captain Marvel is massively overstated. She recently came 7th in a UK post-Endgame poll, tied with Black Widow and beating out Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Star-Lord, Hawkeye, and Rocket (losing to Iron Man, Cap, Thor, Hulk, Groot, and Spider-man). Brie Larson/Captain Marvel got brigaded hard by the incel/t_D/frenworld/MGTOW/#GamerGate crowd because of something she said in an interview that got taken out of context and her perceived feminism. Her movie was also a SMASH hit despite the boycotts being called by those folks, and critical reception was generally positive with Brie Larson's performance and Captain Marvel's character being the highlights of the film. There's also evidence of review bombs happening on Rotten Tomatoes and other sites. Even Tony Stark, who is the face of the MCU before Endgame, has a line that describes her "as the future" and "fresh new blood" that they need. Marvel's setting up her as the new face of the MCU and I think the GP is going to be welcoming of her in this role.

Honestly, the only other character I could personally see being the flagship character of the MCU is Black Panther.
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Post by: H2 on May 09, 2019, 05:56:59 PM
Would you say the MCU has had a single flagship character up until now? I'm not sure it has. Good argument for Iron Man, but equally good arguments for Captain America.

So yeah I definitely agree that Marvel doesn't need a "face of the MCU".

I have to qualify my claim that they are setting up Spidey to be the new face of the MCU. Iron Man, as everyone has been pointing out, wasn't really the face of the MCU either--as in the face. But he carried that role jointly with Cap (as hef pointed out) with Thor slightly in the background. The main poster for Infinity War had Iron Man front and center and the main poster for Endgame had Cap instead, which represents their joint flagship status. And the finale and denouement of Endgame held Cap and Iron Man equally in the spotlight.

Anyway, I do think that Spidey is now set up to be one of the faces of the MCU alongside several others. I don't think anyone will feature more prominently than him but others will certainly be tied. I could definitely be wrong, but as far as I can tell, he's presently tied with Dr. Strange and Black Panther for flagship status. Ant-Man looks like he'll remain a fun background character, same with as the Guardians (whom Thor will be joining). It's hard to predict what they'll do with Captain Marvel. It could go any way with her. I could see her taking what was Thor's status as an extremely OP and popular character. (Remember Thor didn't become extremely popular until his third solo movie.)

As a young actor, Tom Holland is poised to be in the MCU for a very long time, perhaps longer than anyone else ever was or will be. I heard the idea floated that they should do a high school trilogy plus a college trilogy, which is fine by me. He's already featured prominently in two Avengers movies and Civil War. But even Iron Man only had three solo movies, so I could really see them making Spidey the flagship at some point in the future, even if they take their time getting there.
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Post by: lordxizor on May 09, 2019, 06:01:48 PM
The only issue with Spiderman is the whole Sony situation. My understanding is that it's a bit of a handshake deal with Marvel over having him in the MCU. If Sony decides to do their own thing again with him after the success of Venom and potential future other Spiderman offshoots, there's not much Marvel can do about it. So I'm not sure it's a great plan to put him front and center when they're not fully I'm control of the character.

Clearly the solution is for Disney to buy Sony pictures (j/k).
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Post by: MinistroRaven on May 09, 2019, 08:36:41 PM
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/9/18534442/mcu-black-widow-death-revival-avengers-endgame-theories-marvel-cinematic-universe

 :metal
Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: Adami on May 09, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/9/18534442/mcu-black-widow-death-revival-avengers-endgame-theories-marvel-cinematic-universe

 :metal

She's dead bro.

Writers and directors have said it. She dead.

I hope she stays dead. I know in comics, everyone comes back to life no matter what. This, however, is a different medium. It cannot be treated the same way. If no one stays dead, very little has lasting impact. That's one of the reasons I loved the 5 year time jump so much. Real consequences. Not a reset button. Stops it from being simple fun fluff.
Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: gzarruk on May 09, 2019, 09:52:40 PM
I hope she stays dead. I know in comics, everyone comes back to life no matter what. This, however, is a different medium. It cannot be treated the same way. If no one stays dead, very little has lasting impact. That's one of the reasons I loved the 5 year time jump so much. Real consequences. Not a reset button. Stops it from being simple fun fluff.

This. Before Endgame, I was really hoping they didn't bring Gamora back to life, because it would cheapen THAT emotional moment on Vormir., and I'm glad they didn't. BW here is the same case.
Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: Orbert on May 09, 2019, 10:00:03 PM
Yeah, it's just a bummer that they're both hot babes and now they're dead.  Well Natasha's dead but we still get a solo movie, and Gamora's dead but we have the other one who skipped five years.  It's complicated.
Title: Re: Avengers: Endgame -- PUT ALL SPOILERS HERE ONLY
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 10, 2019, 02:08:03 PM
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Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on May 10, 2019, 03:04:11 PM
I'm assuming that that's because Endgame broke some kind of record previously held by Titanic?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 03:12:33 PM
I'm assuming that that's because Endgame broke some kind of record previously held by Titanic?

Avengers is the only movie to beat Titanic at the box office besides Avatar (also excluding Gone With The Wind).

Looks like it still has 400M to go to beat Avatar. Can it do it? It's slowed down significantly in the last few days.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on May 10, 2019, 03:15:14 PM
Yeah, but I have only seen it once and plan to go back.  So part of that $400M will be made up right there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on May 10, 2019, 03:37:25 PM
I'm assuming that that's because Endgame broke some kind of record previously held by Titanic?

Avengers is the only movie to beat Titanic at the box office besides Avatar (also excluding Gone With The Wind).

Looks like it still has 400M to go to beat Avatar. Can it do it? It's slowed down significantly in the last few days.

Well if you adjust inflation, it is behind a lot more than Gone with the Wind and Avatar. I think Star Wars A New Hope is much higher as well. It's a very different list.


And we'll see how this weekend goes, but I'd say it's about done making crazy bank. The markets are just very different than with Avatar.

1. Avatar came out around Christmas. So it had a whole holiday with very little competition for months.
2. Avatar made most of its money from markets that are neither America or China, while Endgame made most of its money from America and China. This matters because China's pattern has all been front loaded. A ton of money very quickly then they move on to the next movie. Endgame isn't making nearly as much as Avatar in markets that aren't America or China.
3. Connected to first point, but this movie came out in April. Actually a miracle it did this well. But it had no holidays and now the competition is here.

If this movie had come out around Christmas, it'd probably have beaten Avatar by now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on May 10, 2019, 07:52:41 PM
Totally agree, Adami, great party.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on May 11, 2019, 09:59:45 AM
Didn't Avatar get a rerelease that added to the total box office?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 11, 2019, 12:29:04 PM
Didn't Avatar get a rerelease that added to the total box office?

Yes it did
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2019, 12:40:23 PM
Didn't Avatar get a rerelease that added to the total box office?

Yes it did

I tried to do a little research, and from what I was able to find, the rerelease did not add substantially to its overall gross.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ninjabait on May 11, 2019, 02:31:08 PM
Just watched the Season 6 premiere of AoS. It was good, I get the feeling that it's not going to quite be Season 4/5 levels of good, but it's gonna still be a great season. The VFX in this season is just insane, all the space scenes look killer.

Also apparently we're still pre-Snap, even if it's a year after last season. (https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/05/11/agents-of-shield-season-6-takes-place-before-the-snap-thanos-infinity-war/)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2019, 02:35:07 PM
Yea, the pre-snap thing is a bit weird.

I like where they're going, so I'm hoping for a good season. Wondering where next season will fall on the timeline.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 23, 2019, 02:06:40 PM
Having seen it a 3rd time, I have a few minor quips/observations:

Nat/Clint on Voromir.  How did the know where to go? On a whole planet, they just happened to know where the stone was gonna be?
Nebula.... just hit the goddamn GPS button and get the hell out of there once you realize you're on the tractor beam.  And why did Rhodey/Nebula need that escape pod anyway?
Where did Rhodey get the fresh Iron Patriot suit when Giant Man broke them out of the rubble?

That's it really... just a few more minor nits.  Still a fantastic movie, but a few more plot ... hiccups ... than IW had, which makes IW the better film - in my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on May 23, 2019, 02:19:46 PM
That's it really... just a few more minor nits.  Still a fantastic movie, but a few more plot ... hiccups ... than IW had, which makes IW the better film - in my opinion of course.

IW also had better action scenes. Nothing tops the fight on Titan IMO.

Anyway, I'm most likely watching Endgame for the 2nd time tonight, let's see how it feels now that I've seen it before.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 23, 2019, 02:25:30 PM
I'm torn as to whether I like the Titan fight, or the IM/Cap/Thor v Thanos fight better.  Both were absolutely spectacular, and magnificently choreographed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ninjabait on May 23, 2019, 02:28:17 PM
Having seen it a 3rd time, I have a few minor quips/observations:

Nat/Clint on Voromir.  How did the know where to go? On a whole planet, they just happened to know where the stone was gonna be?
Nebula.... just hit the goddamn GPS button and get the hell out of there once you realize you're on the tractor beam.  And why did Rhodey/Nebula need that escape pod anyway?
Where did Rhodey get the fresh Iron Patriot suit when Giant Man broke them out of the rubble?

That's it really... just a few more minor nits.  Still a fantastic movie, but a few more plot ... hiccups ... than IW had, which makes IW the better film - in my opinion of course.

01) I'd imagine Nebula had a vague knowledge of where it was on the planet. Gamora could have easily spilled the beans on Thanos's ship before they left for Vormir and she spilled her brains. Nebula could have also seen through the portal when Gamora and Thanos teleported through it to Vormir the first time. It's also a giant, conspicuous mountain-altar on what's otherwise a barren magic tundra planet.

2) Just in case things went south. They probably had that as a contingency plan in the event that they weren't successfully able to get the stone from Morag.

3) Tony Stark designed the War Machine suits, so I'd imagine that he has some compact back-up device stored somewhere and he put it on when it was safe and dry. Or it flew in from somewhere else, or it's nanites.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on May 23, 2019, 02:40:35 PM
An extremely minor thing that bugged me was where everyone arrived on Vormir: very far away from the mountain. Reminds me of the Family Guy bit when Brian sees a sign for Austin so he hops off the truck he's riding on.

Stewie: Why did we get off here?
Brian: My mother lives in Austin. Fate's brought me back here for a reason. I have to find my mother and make peace with her.
Stewie: Oh, so she's in Austin, hm? Eight miles that way?
Brian: Yes.
Stewie: All right. So instead of driving down this sun-parched highway, we've now got to walk.
Brian: Uh pretty much, yeah.

 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Cyclopssss on May 24, 2019, 04:45:48 AM
Finally saw Endgame. Great movie. Amazed how funny it is. Have to rewatch soon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on May 24, 2019, 08:57:33 AM
Went to see it for the second time yesterday and I actually enjoyed it more than on my first (and loved it on the first). The previous time it did feel like a 3 hour movie, and some scenes felt a bit long/tiring for me, but not this time, it flew by. Maybe it’s because I already knew what was going to happen, so I just sat there and relaxed with a friend who also was watching it for the second time. Also, some of the minor flaws didn’t bother me this time as I was like “whatever”.

Since this is almost a month after it was released, I assume most people on the theater yesterday had already seen it since nobody went bananas with all the twists/surprises. I had quite the opposite experience on my first time watching it, when it was just released and some random guy yelled “MY PENIS!!!” when Cap picked up Mjolnir :lol

What a great movie, guys.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on May 27, 2019, 01:54:41 PM
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Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 09:19:11 AM
First one I probably won't buy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on May 28, 2019, 09:28:58 AM
I'll be buying it. Love me some Captain Larson  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on May 28, 2019, 09:33:31 AM
I didn't hate it, but it is easily the weakest of the MCU.  And I'm just not as into purchasing movies as I used to be, what with the ease of watching things digitally any time you want to.  I'm just not as inclined to clutter up the shelf with something that I'm never going to watch.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on May 28, 2019, 09:35:05 AM
Yeah I feel you there, I think the Marvel films are the only movies I continue to buy physically. I definitely enjoyed CM way more than a lot of other MCU flicks though, especially BP.

I actually rent movies mostly through YouTube these days. Way, way too convenient to get 'em otherwise.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on May 28, 2019, 10:33:06 AM
An extremely minor thing that bugged me was where everyone arrived on Vormir: very far away from the mountain. Reminds me of the Family Guy bit when Brian sees a sign for Austin so he hops off the truck he's riding on.

If we are going to nitpick locations, I was not bothered by Vormir. However I WAS bothered when Rocket and Hulk went to get Thor in New Asgard. I saw the movie again yesterday (2nd time) and when they flew in but then still had to hop on the back of a truck to get to the town it made me wonder, why not just land next to the town? There's plenty of open space lol  :huh:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Aelon on May 29, 2019, 12:02:31 PM
An extremely minor thing that bugged me was where everyone arrived on Vormir: very far away from the mountain. Reminds me of the Family Guy bit when Brian sees a sign for Austin so he hops off the truck he's riding on.

If we are going to nitpick locations, I was not bothered by Vormir. However I WAS bothered when Rocket and Hulk went to get Thor in New Asgard. I saw the movie again yesterday (2nd time) and when they flew in but then still had to hop on the back of a truck to get to the town it made me wonder, why not just land next to the town? There's plenty of open space lol  :huh:

Well if they hadn't, we wouldn't get that trippy little song!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ninjabait on June 10, 2019, 06:25:45 PM
Victoria Alonso apparently confirmed in an reddit AMA that Marcus Daniels (a villain from Agents of SHIELD) is the bartender in Captain Marvel. That's two crossovers in two movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on June 11, 2019, 08:49:45 PM
Getting caught up on Agents of SHIELD, and just noticing for the first time that Chloe Bennet actually bears a striking resemblance to Kaley Cuoco.   

That is all. 

PS - I mean, Chloe is a bit darker of complexion and the hair is a bit darker....but their facial structure and expressions are extremely similar.  I especially noticed this in Episode 3 of the new AoS when Quake is stoned off the snails and heading into the casino.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on June 15, 2019, 11:25:19 PM
Started in on S3 of Jessica Jones. Feeling pretty bummed that this will no doubt be the last taste of Netflix Marvel we'll get.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on June 17, 2019, 06:56:01 AM
Rented Captain Marvel over the weekend...no major complaints.  Just a fun way to kill 2 hours and relax.  I will say that the Nick Fury losing and eye thing felt shoe-horned in there, but whatever.  Loved the twist between the Kree and Skrulls, which ties into Agents of Shield, and Guardians, where the Kree are considered antagonists.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on June 17, 2019, 07:34:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1wEO-pHizQ

Adam Savage and an Iron man suit that actually flies.

Don't know where else to post this that would be relevant, but this is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on June 17, 2019, 10:43:24 AM
Started in on S3 of Jessica Jones. Feeling pretty bummed that this will no doubt be the last taste of Netflix Marvel we'll get.

I'm 5 episodes in and loving it so far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on June 17, 2019, 10:45:45 AM
Kinda surprised at the lack of SHIELD discussion.  I think S6 has been pretty good so far, although it has been kind of odd in some ways.  But S6 is doing what the show has always done: putting together a fun, interesting story, with lots of twists to keep the audience guessing.  I'm going to miss this show when it is gone. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on June 17, 2019, 10:48:08 AM
Kinda surprised at the lack of SHIELD discussion.  I think S6 has been pretty good so far, although it has been kind of odd in some ways.  But S6 is doing what the show has always done: putting together a fun, interesting story, with lots of twists to keep the audience guessing.  I'm going to miss this show when it is gone.

Oh yea, I'm digging this season. I wish I understood the timeline in relation to the MCU a bit more, but such is life. Still really digging it.

Honestly, the only MCU based show I don't dig is Runaways. Well, and Iron Fist season 1.

Inhumans never existed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on June 17, 2019, 10:51:33 AM
Kinda surprised at the lack of SHIELD discussion.  I think S6 has been pretty good so far, although it has been kind of odd in some ways.  But S6 is doing what the show has always done: putting together a fun, interesting story, with lots of twists to keep the audience guessing.  I'm going to miss this show when it is gone.

Oh yea, I'm digging this season. I wish I understood the timeline in relation to the MCU a bit more, but such is life. Still really digging it.

Honestly, the only MCU based show I don't dig is Runaways. Well, and Iron Fist season 1.

Inhumans never existed.

The only thing I've read is that Agents of Shield is post-Endgame, which is why this season premiered so late.  It allowed the show it ignore the snap and it's effects, otherwise they'd have to acknowledge half of the show's cast being missing for a period of time.   

I think that's a smart move and just lets the show be itself without having to tie it in so closely to the movies. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on June 17, 2019, 10:56:43 AM
It's kinda weird because there was a vague reference to the Infinity War last season, but nothing since then.  Instead, we've gotten a few references to time travel and how going back and messing with the past will create alternate timelines, which are each completely valid alternate realities and, best of all, you don't know which one you're in.

I kinda took that as their explanation for why Agents of SHIELD isn't in sync with the MCU any more, but mostly I just don't let it bother me because we know the constraints they (the writers) were working with, and their solution is good enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on June 17, 2019, 10:59:50 AM
Kinda surprised at the lack of SHIELD discussion.  I think S6 has been pretty good so far, although it has been kind of odd in some ways.  But S6 is doing what the show has always done: putting together a fun, interesting story, with lots of twists to keep the audience guessing.  I'm going to miss this show when it is gone.

Oh yea, I'm digging this season. I wish I understood the timeline in relation to the MCU a bit more, but such is life. Still really digging it.

Honestly, the only MCU based show I don't dig is Runaways. Well, and Iron Fist season 1.

Inhumans never existed.

The only thing I've read is that Agents of Shield is post-Endgame, which is why this season premiered so late.  It allowed the show it ignore the snap and it's effects, otherwise they'd have to acknowledge half of the show's cast being missing for a period of time.   

I think that's a smart move and just lets the show be itself without having to tie it in so closely to the movies.

It is not post-endgame from what I've seen. Not at all. If anything, it's confusingly pre-Infinity War.

Cause last season (SPOILERS)..............Coulson was about to die, pre-infinity war, and this season is one year later.

Yea, just read in an interview that this season also occurs pre-snap. Largely because they were unsure when it would air.

Next season, I hope.....i dunno. It's odd
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on June 17, 2019, 11:04:40 AM
I read an article that said the same thing.   They admit that the "one year" thing is a snafu, but they weren't getting any communication or input from the movie producers (for obvious reasons) so they finally just had to say "OK...we screwed up with the one year thing....Season 6 is going to have to be considered 'pre-snap'....sorry for the confusion."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on June 17, 2019, 11:07:28 AM
I swear I had read post-Endgame a while ago.  But I haven't seen Endgame, so I'm not up to speed on any timelines and time travel stuff from the movies. 

Either way, I'm fine with the show not acknowledging the movies at this point. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on June 17, 2019, 11:52:47 AM
I read an article that said the same thing.   They admit that the "one year" thing is a snafu, but they weren't getting any communication or input from the movie producers (for obvious reasons) so they finally just had to say "OK...we screwed up with the one year thing....Season 6 is going to have to be considered 'pre-snap'....sorry for the confusion."

This makes the most sense to me.  For some reason, I always figured they would eventually "undo the Snap" but kinda thought it would happen right away.  Or... I don't know... maybe take a while to figure out, but not five years.  So I can see the AoS showrunners figuring a year later would be safe.  When Endgame jumped five years, that was surprising but maybe shouldn't have been.  This isn't something you figure out overnight.  Five years for Tony Stark to figure time travel out?  I can see that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on June 17, 2019, 12:04:03 PM
I read an article that said the same thing.   They admit that the "one year" thing is a snafu, but they weren't getting any communication or input from the movie producers (for obvious reasons) so they finally just had to say "OK...we screwed up with the one year thing....Season 6 is going to have to be considered 'pre-snap'....sorry for the confusion."

This makes the most sense to me.  For some reason, I always figured they would eventually "undo the Snap" but kinda thought it would happen right away.  Or... I don't know... maybe take a while to figure out, but not five years.  So I can see the AoS showrunners figuring a year later would be safe.  When Endgame jumped five years, that was surprising but maybe shouldn't have been.  This isn't something you figure out overnight.  Five years for Tony Stark to figure time travel out?  I can see that.

Except that it didn't take him 5 years, but what I would assume is a few days from the point Scott, Cap and Nat visited him to the point he figured it out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on June 17, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
Yea, took Stark like...a few weeks tops to figure it all out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on June 17, 2019, 12:51:24 PM
Well then he was an asshole for not doing it five years sooner.  I can say that because he's dead and I don't fear him any more.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on June 17, 2019, 01:07:24 PM
To be fair, he absolutely believed that it was 100% not possible until he was presented with the evidence of Scott's survival, and forced to contemplate newer possibilities. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on June 17, 2019, 07:23:55 PM
Shit, forgot all about SHIELD...add that to the list as well.


JJ was quite excellent, they brought Trish's character down a few notches, then let her fucking fly. Really good job on the development of the story throughout. Really bummed the Netflix phase is over, I still feel it was the best quality Marvel product out there storywise.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on June 18, 2019, 07:56:07 AM
Yea, took Stark like...a few weeks tops to figure it all out.

I'd assumed he'd been working on it pretty much the whole time on-and-off, and then Scott's appearance re-invigorated him.  Wasn't there some hint when he was running the simulation that he'd run a bunch of theories and/or simulations already?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ninjabait on June 18, 2019, 07:17:59 PM
I read an article that said the same thing.   They admit that the "one year" thing is a snafu, but they weren't getting any communication or input from the movie producers (for obvious reasons) so they finally just had to say "OK...we screwed up with the one year thing....Season 6 is going to have to be considered 'pre-snap'....sorry for the confusion."

From what I've read, there was communication between the AoS team and the IW/Endgame team. They knew what was going to happen from the get go. The snap, the 5 year time skip, the unsnap, all of it. The problem is that they weren't entirely sure ABC or whoever (always referred to as a "they"...but it's probably ABC) wouldn't just bump them up from May to January. If that happened, and it was bumped up to Jan, then they would have accidentally spoiled probably the biggest movie of the last decade. So they played it safe and made it pre-snap with some minor inconsistencies that are pretty easy to retcon.

Basically: Marvel Studios gets a pass here. As usual, ABC kinda sucks.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on June 18, 2019, 09:18:23 PM
Well I took one for the team and went and saw Dark Pheonix (5$ night and ac in 100 degree weather). Fairly entertaining, but for once the critics are right, the writing and directing (both the same dude) are just horrific. Too bad, there was so much potential behind that story and I don't think it'll ever get touched again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on June 19, 2019, 04:36:42 AM
Well I took one for the team and went and saw Dark Pheonix (5$ night and ac in 100 degree weather). Fairly entertaining, but for once the critics are right, the writing and directing (both the same dude) are just horrific. Too bad, there was so much potential behind that story and I don't think it'll ever get touched again.

This will be the first Marvel movie I decide to wait for Netflix - I even saw Origins:Wolverine in theatres!.  Though, with all Marvel properties seemingly going to Disney's streaming service, it may never see the small screen. If it's that bad, they may just want to bury it along with Inhumans.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on June 19, 2019, 04:39:46 AM
It's not even close to Inhumans bad....I at least made it through the whole thing and was entertained throughout. Inhumans was fucking painful to watch.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on June 19, 2019, 06:11:59 AM
I agree Dark Phoenix was entertaining enough, though not great. Really wish they would have used the movie to close out this chapter of the X-Men movies better, but I understand why they didn't want to change the movie just because of a corporate merger. Looking forward to what the X-Men can do in the MCU at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on June 27, 2019, 11:04:41 AM
Wow not much discussion about the re-release of Endgame with bonus footage.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 27, 2019, 11:32:17 AM
Wow not much discussion about the re-release of Endgame with bonus footage.

I think it's due to we all know it's a 'money grab' to overtake AVATAR. They'll probably throw in that cut scene of Tony running into his 'future' daughter......and another fan appeasing tid bit or two....but it's just the final attempt to 'take the lead' .
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on June 27, 2019, 11:33:09 AM
jingle.kids and I are contemplating seeing it Sunday night, but it's being showed in the tier-2 cinema chain up here (I'd actually never heard of them before this).  Small crappy theatres, so we're on the fence.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on June 27, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
As much as I liked the movie, not sure I am ready to see it for the third time in 2 months, even if it has bonus scenes. I am more excited about Spider-man next week, even though I will have to wait 2 weeks to see it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on June 27, 2019, 11:46:15 AM
The rerelease doesn't have enough new stuff in it for me to bother seeing it a third time in the theaters. It's a blatent cash grab and I'd rather not participate.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on June 27, 2019, 11:53:04 AM
Wow not much discussion about the re-release of Endgame with bonus footage.

I think it's due to we all know it's a 'money grab' to overtake AVATAR. They'll probably throw in that cut scene of Tony running into his 'future' daughter......and another fan appeasing tid bit or two....but it's just the final attempt to 'take the lead' .

Nope.

I heard it's an unfinished scene, probably with the Hulk, but definitely not Tony and Morgan.

Yea, the re-release is a bit odd to be honest. I know I'm not going.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on June 27, 2019, 12:08:32 PM
I was initially excited but when I found out there's literally only one extra scene (not counting the stuff in the credits), I immediately lost interest. Love Endgame but I saw it a few times and I really don't feel like sitting through 3 hours just for one extra scene - I'll catch it on the Blu-ray.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on June 27, 2019, 01:14:13 PM
I was initially excited but when I found out there's literally only one extra scene (not counting the stuff in the credits), I immediately lost interest. Love Endgame but I saw it a few times and I really don't feel like sitting through 3 hours just for one extra scene - I'll catch it on the Blu-ray.

Yeah, considering the Blu-Ray is coming out in 5 weeks, Spidey next week, and it's playing in shit theatres...  I'm not overly eager to see it a 4th time in theatres - even at $11.  Everything after opening night IMAX is a lunch-bag letdown.  Bluray home theatre treatment is the next best thing at this point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on June 27, 2019, 03:46:25 PM
So early reviews of Far From Home are very good.

Apparently, without anyone giving away spoilers, reviewers have said that you must see the two end credits scenes, and that they are extremely important.


So I guess we ain't getting a Howard the Duck or Captain America instructional type scene haha.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on June 27, 2019, 03:50:57 PM
All I know is that Spidey dropped 'multiverse' in the trailer and I'm hyped. I wonder what the credits scenes are that they're so important. Holland only signed up for... 3 solo Spidey films, right? I would LOVE if Marvel does something with Doc Oc again - it's been long enough - or even the Sinister Six, since that Spider-man game from last year was such a huge hit. I didn't play it but it looked like one iteration of the Six was in it. EDIT: But unless Holland extended his contract I'm not sure they'd be doing something that enormous. Amazing Spider-man 2 strongly hinted at the Six and I've been blue balled ever since they bailed on that.

I'm guessing it's absolutely NOT Woody Harrelson in a red wig though.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on June 28, 2019, 10:54:24 PM
Giving Into the Spiderverse another whirl, such a brilliantly made movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on June 29, 2019, 04:28:07 PM
Anyone gone to see the Endgame rerelease? The descriptions of the extra content sound underwhelming to me. Wondering if anyone thought I was worth going to.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2019, 03:23:05 PM
Anyone gone to see the Endgame rerelease? The descriptions of the extra content sound underwhelming to me. Wondering if anyone thought I was worth going to.

Unlikely.  I loved the movie.  But I can't see spending money to see it yet again in the theater, unless I were to hear that the extra scenes are really important and are exclusive and not available on the eventual home release.  Just hoping it passes Avatar soon.

In other Marvel news, I finally started watching The Defenders this past week.  I am almost halfway (in the middle of the Chinese restaurant episode).  Really liking it so far.  I like that I know little about Alexandra other than what we learn from other characters, but that is more than enough.  For instance, Gao basically kowtowing to her (pun intended) speaks volumes.  There is still a ton of mystery about her character, and yet I feel like I know enough about her for her character to feel very real and menacing.  I'm also really liking the interaction between the four main heroes.  The relationship is so far less than ideal in terms of what it needs to be for them to function together.  But it is so incredibly ideal in terms of entertainment.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Podaar on July 01, 2019, 04:25:44 PM
JJ was quite excellent, they brought Trish's character down a few notches, then let her fucking fly. Really good job on the development of the story throughout. Really bummed the Netflix phase is over, I still feel it was the best quality Marvel product out there storywise.

I finished with JJ Season 3 Sunday and I agree that it was excellent, Lonestar. I think more than any of the other Netflix/Marvel shows, I'll miss Jessica Jones the most. The focus on investigation and regular folks learning to cope in a "powered people" world resonated with me more than some of the other shows. Of course, for just straight gritty action and larger than life characters, Daredevil was the best.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on July 01, 2019, 11:25:24 PM
Daredevil and Jessica Jones were both amazing (slightly weaker second seasons but brilliant first and third), and the Punisher was very strong too. The other shows all ended up solid as well, but not at the same level as those ones.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 02, 2019, 07:46:26 AM
So I think Far From Home drops today?

I can't see it til Friday, so just wanted to get a general idea.....should I completely avoid this thread or are we going to small font or whatever spoilers? Either way works, just helps to know so I don't accidentally see anything.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on July 02, 2019, 07:48:12 AM
I think it's safe to avoid thread until you see the movie, unless there is some sort of spoiler ban.

I won't be able to watch the movie until the week of July 15.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 02, 2019, 07:57:54 AM
So I think Far From Home drops today?

I can't see it til Friday, so just wanted to get a general idea.....should I completely avoid this thread or are we going to small font or whatever spoilers? Either way works, just helps to know so I don't accidentally see anything.

jingle.kids and I have tickets for 8pm.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2019, 08:25:05 AM
So I think Far From Home drops today?

I can't see it til Friday, so just wanted to get a general idea.....should I completely avoid this thread or are we going to small font or whatever spoilers? Either way works, just helps to know so I don't accidentally see anything.

I think small font should be sufficient, since that's what we almost always do anyway.  But if anyone wants to do anything different, let me know.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 02, 2019, 08:32:51 AM
So I think Far From Home drops today?

I can't see it til Friday, so just wanted to get a general idea.....should I completely avoid this thread or are we going to small font or whatever spoilers? Either way works, just helps to know so I don't accidentally see anything.

I think small font should be sufficient, since that's what we almost always do anyway.  But if anyone wants to do anything different, let me know.

Works for me
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 02, 2019, 02:00:15 PM
So I think Far From Home drops today?

I can't see it til Friday, so just wanted to get a general idea.....should I completely avoid this thread or are we going to small font or whatever spoilers? Either way works, just helps to know so I don't accidentally see anything.

I think small font should be sufficient, since that's what we almost always do anyway.  But if anyone wants to do anything different, let me know.

We could have a separated thread with SPOILERS and then you can merged it as you did with Endgame
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on July 02, 2019, 05:40:22 PM
At the theater now and have to wade through 30 minutes of trailers....
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on July 02, 2019, 08:52:54 PM
.... and sit unfortunately near a loud group of hormonal teenagers.

The movie was very fun as is to be expected by now. Just as funny as the first previous one but a bit grander in scale in terms of visuals and action.
Story was quite well done I have to say and the two end credit scenes were probably the best ones I think IMO in all the Marvel movies so far.

Need to try and catch it in Dolby.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 03, 2019, 05:53:59 AM
^ I'll agree with that.

The character reveal in the mid-credit scene got a great pop in the theatre.  The revelation in the end-credit scene is a terrific setup for endless possibilities of Phase 4.

Couple of minor quips about the 'threat/danger' of the film (I wasn't really bought off on how quickly the team could modify/reprogram the illusions/holograms - especially the scene in Berlin).  And for those that had a beef with the complexity and intricacies of Helmut's plan in Civil War, there will likely be some eyerolling on this one.  And why wouldn't Beck have disabled Peter's access to EDITH??.  And these kids have to be real f'n stupid to NOT realize that Peter is Spider-Man - Spidey is everywhere they are when there's an emergency, and Peter is never around when Spidey saves the day.  I mean, c'mon.

I'm not sure if I like this version of MJ or not.  On one hand I kinda dig it, but it's so far off-base from what we think of MJ from the comics.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on July 03, 2019, 07:34:56 AM
True those are minor quips and I think they sorta address it with Peter casually mentioning "who else knows?" I too had some issues here and there but overall I don't think it really detracted much from the overall enjoyment of the movie for me.

The visuals for some of the scenes were just breathtaking. They really upped the VFX for this movie, I really really want to see it in Dolby now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on July 04, 2019, 06:16:03 AM
Really enjoyed Far from Home. Oddly the movie started without any trailers and I missed the first few minutes, which was annoying.

Spoilers:
I'm really glad the whole multiverse thing turned out to be a hoax by Mysterio. I just don't see how the multiverse could be explained or pulled off in a way that didn't lead to tons of plot holes and inconsistencies. They've already opened that can of worms with the time travel in Endgame, I'm glad they didn't dig themselves an even bigger hole.

I'm not sure if I like this version of MJ or not.  On one hand I kinda dig it, but it's so far off-base from what we think of MJ from the comics.
I like her. She's clearly not meant to be the MJ in the comics, though I'm not sure why they didn't give a completely different initials since she's not Mary Jane. I was turned off by the fact that the actress who plays her goes by a single name (Zendaya). Though admittedly I have no idea who she is apart from the Spiderman movies, so maybe she's done something to deserve being able to pull off a single name.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on July 04, 2019, 06:45:08 AM
Regarding the spoiler part of your text, I didn't even know it was a thing so when it first came up I was WOW nice! I'm glad I don't watch trailers so I enjoyed the ride of that plot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on July 04, 2019, 07:01:56 PM
JAMESON!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 04, 2019, 09:50:56 PM
Just saw the movie, it was great and funny! Still trying to understand what the post credit scenes mean moving forward :omg:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on July 05, 2019, 06:37:18 PM
Fantastic, a top-tier MCU film. I'd say up there with Civil War, Winter Soldier, and Iron Man. Love the cast. Those visual effects during certain scenes, too. And that post-credit scene. *gasp*
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on July 06, 2019, 05:23:22 PM
Outstanding film, seems they don't plan on slowing down post Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 06, 2019, 07:54:17 PM
Loved the movie. Really loved it.

I see people complaining about the first half, but I thought the humor was great, characters were great, acting, all of it was just great.

This was just a tightly written and direct movie. I could see cutting a few minutes out of it, but over all it was well paced as well.

Tom Holland is just such a great Spider-Man and Peter Parker. He brought his A game to this and I don't want another actor in this role.

I won't get into spoilers, but that mid-credits scene made me applaud, and the post-credits scene was....interesting. Didn't expect any of that stuff at all.

But yea, a lot of it has been said. It's amazing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on July 06, 2019, 08:05:34 PM
Yeah the last post credit scene was all sorts of wtf...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2019, 03:01:43 PM
DEFENDERS SPOILERS






















Just finished ep. 7 last night and hope to finish the series tonight. 

Overall, I'm liking the series.  It is enjoyable.  But it does have some flaws.  My problems with it:

1.  The defenders themselves seem at times inconsistent from how they would act or have acted in their previous solo series.  There were multiple times when I was like, "Wait, no, that character wouldn't do/say that." 

2.  Stick fits into the above.  But he also just doesn't seem...believable any more.  His whole character seems like it was writers who didn't know how to write him read a summary of what his character was about, and tried to go off of that. 

3.  Electra/Black Sky.  Here's a REALLY good summary of how I feel:

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It was clear that Black Sky was being set up as a much bigger deal and it was linked to the giant hole. Nobu had a map with "Black Sky" written over the property. He also tried to make Elektra the Hand's leader.

But they didn't do anything with Black Sky in Defenders. The whole idea of Black Sky being Alexandra's prophecy was just so random and nonsensical. Where did Alexandra get the prophecy? What is the prophecy? How come Nobu was trying to acquire the Black Sky and was ready to worship Elektra if he was Murakami's lieutenant and Murakami didn't even believe in the prophecy?

And in the end, why did they even need the Black Sky? What were her powers?

This kinda bugs me.

That said, there is a lot that I like.  It's just kind of a fun story.  I wasn't expecting Alexandra to die either.  That was rather shocking.  She has been a great character, for the most part.  I did find this criticism a bit funny:

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She's going down as a mostly theoretical antagonist who felt perpetually about to do something meaningful but ultimately never got around to it. Always a potentially good threat, but never actually one.

Yeah, that's kinda accurate.  She never actually does a whole lot.  But she's always about to.  And when she does, look out!  Because it's going to...be really something.  :lol  But that's also kind of what is cool about her character.  You know a lot more about her from the way others react to her than by what you see her doing, and that makes her a lot more mysterious and cool.  IMO.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 10, 2019, 04:36:14 AM
Pretty much my entire problem with that show. Started off nice enough, but the actions of the characters seemed so irrational so often and, indeed, inconsistent with the way they were portrayed in their own series it all got a bit lost on me towards the end, to be honest. The fact that it didn't get renewed said enough at the time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on July 10, 2019, 07:05:24 AM
Saw Far From Home over the weekend.  It was pretty good.  Lots of fun, things moving quickly enough that you don't stop to think about whether or not any of it makes sense, a little drama and a little humor along the way, typical MCU movie.  I knew the name Mysterio and that's about it, so even though it was pretty obvious that Beck was not going to be what he said he was, the way he was doing it was an interesting twist for me.  Reminded me of Syndrome from The Incredibles.  He created threats so he could solve them and be the hero.  No Capes!

The post-credits scene was interesting and a little confusing.  Orbertson reminded us (myself and Mrs. Orbert) that we hadn't seen Captain Marvel yet.  Oh yeah, kinda forgot about her.  So we watched Captain Marvel on demand and got that figured out.  We've seen every MCU movie now, in order, except Captain Marvel, so it was fun watching it and having to remind myself that even though the movie is set in the past, it was released right before Endgame and thus before Far From Home as well.  So now we understand the Far From Home post-credits scene better, but there's obviously more that we don't know.  Like, where are Fury's shoes?

I liked Captain Marvel, apparently more than most people.  I liked that we the audience were led to empathize with the Kree at first, which was a twist after knowing them as Bad Guys.  But the Skrulls are the bad guys here, and hey, most Bad Guys don't think of themselves as the Bad Guys, so to them, the Skrulls are the Bad Guys.  But it slowly twisted around, and I thought it was quite well done.  We learned more and figured it out, along with Carol, who had more to figure out as well.  Since it was a three-day rental, we watched it again the next day and got even more out of it.  So yeah, she's a bit dry, not much personality, but I thought she was fine and yeah it helped that she's cute.  Jude Law was obviously going to turn out to be an asshole, but then most Kree apparently are assholes anyway.  It was almost an "origin story" for Fury, with how much backstory we got on him, also Korath (one of my favorite bad guys from Guardians of the Galaxy) and even a little Coulson.  With the non-linear narrative, the second viewing helped me appreciate the story (and the writing) better.  I thought it was okay at first, and pretty good the second time.

I'm still amazed at how well they've woven together all the pieces of the MCU.  You never know what's going to connect to what.  What an incredible cinematic undertaking, and what an incredible achievement.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2019, 01:56:51 PM
DEFENDERS SPOILERS















OK, finished it last night.  So...I didn't realize that Danny actually opened the lock at the end of the last episode.  That fact alone makes everything else that happened just seem so...dumb.  There was a lot in this episode and series that I want to like, but man, this fact alone really takes me out of the moment.  And it also makes other deficiencies in the story stand out more (again, mostly involving Danny, such a his severely deficient fighting prowess, given that he trained for over a decade and underwent the trial to become an Iron Fist).  I'm actually kind of annoyed, because I feel like I invested a lot of time into something with a really poor payoff. 

Anyhow, the big fight scenes underground were cool.  Colleen taking out Bakuto was terrific justice.  Karen was great, as always.  JJ was probably my favorite character in this.  Pretty much every moment with her onscreen was gold.  But I dunno.  There were definitely some really cool moments.  But for every one of those, there was something dragging the whole thing down, too. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 10, 2019, 10:43:35 PM
DEFENDERS SPOILERS

OK, finished it last night.  So...I didn't realize that Danny actually opened the lock at the end of the last episode.  That fact alone makes everything else that happened just seem so...dumb.  There was a lot in this episode and series that I want to like, but man, this fact alone really takes me out of the moment.  And it also makes other deficiencies in the story stand out more (again, mostly involving Danny, such a his severely deficient fighting prowess, given that he trained for over a decade and underwent the trial to become an Iron Fist).  I'm actually kind of annoyed, because I feel like I invested a lot of time into something with a really poor payoff. 

Anyhow, the big fight scenes underground were cool.  Colleen taking out Bakuto was terrific justice.  Karen was great, as always.  JJ was probably my favorite character in this.  Pretty much every moment with her onscreen was gold.  But I dunno.  There were definitely some really cool moments.  But for every one of those, there was something dragging the whole thing down, too. 

I just remember thinking that Defenders felt rushed, like they didn’t have enough time to actually write a coherent/cohesive story, and I agree with your criticisms about it, it had such a poor payoff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 12, 2019, 02:34:10 PM
Few quick random MCU thoughts, I'll keep the Spider-Man spoiler thoughts in small text. I assume soon enough we can just discuss it.


1) The defenders characters. They go back to Marvel in 2 years or so. Should they recast and just be blatant that the Netflix stuff never existed in MCU or keep the same actors? Personally, I would love those actors making appearances. They don't need their own movies necessarily, but some appearances would be cool.

2) What do people think Phase 4 will be? Obviously Black Widow movie, GOTG 3 and stuff, but what about the less obvious? They will likely announce a lot next week, but any predictions beyond the obvious?

3) So Fury was a Skrull in Spider-Man, and then we see the real fury. We never saw the real Maria Hill..........is there even a real Maria Hill? Any thoughts on Maria Hill ALWAYS having been a Skrull?

4) So did Spider-Man confirm that Cap is legit dead? People seem to be skipping over that part.

5) I hope the intensity and amazingness of the mid-credits scene in Far From Home doesn't make people forget the rest of the movie. The movie itself was amazing. But almost all of the discussion is entirely about the JJJ reveal and stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on July 12, 2019, 03:35:28 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed Far From Home. I liked Homecoming, but for me personally this was far superior. The post credit scenes are both integral to the film itself, I like how both make you rethink the film in certain aspects. Good villain as well, and I thought the twists were well done. And my hats of to the cgi artists, this film is one of the best looking MCU films.

I think Tom Holland is the best on screen Spider-Man by a huge margin btw.



The school trip totally reminded me of my school trip to Paris back in the day  :lol Shoddy hotels, uncomfortable bus trips, cultural visits none of us teenagers were waiting for,  teachers awkwardly trying to manage keeping the groups intact etc. Made me nostalgic. And as a Dutch person, one section was really cool and out of the blue.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 12, 2019, 03:39:03 PM
I thought Shang-Chi was confirmed in development for phase 4 too? I can't wait to see what Marvel does with a martial arts flick. I don't know anything about it but I've said for a while it would be cool if they got people who did the Ong-Bak films and that kinda stuff because the action is just insane in those films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on July 12, 2019, 05:06:49 PM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 12, 2019, 05:37:17 PM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm it’s super important to Spider-Mans story arc.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on July 12, 2019, 06:25:39 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed Far From Home. I liked Homecoming, but for me personally this was far superior. The post credit scenes are both integral to the film itself, I like how both make you rethink the film in certain aspects. Good villain as well, and I thought the twists were well done. And my hats of to the cgi artists, this film is one of the best looking MCU films.

I think Tom Holland is the best on screen Spider-Man by a huge margin btw.



The school trip totally reminded me of my school trip to Paris back in the day  :lol Shoddy hotels, uncomfortable bus trips, cultural visits none of us teenagers were waiting for,  teachers awkwardly trying to manage keeping the groups intact etc. Made me nostalgic. And as a Dutch person, one section was really cool and out of the blue.

I guess the villain was ok, but then again it was at least the 3rd time the villain was a disgruntled Stark employee.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on July 12, 2019, 09:19:41 PM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm it’s super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 12, 2019, 09:24:46 PM
I think they got *there* way too fast. I mean, they obviously wouldn't have done it if they didn't already have the outcome planned in advance, but I feel like they could've done at least a third movie, developing more the character in a different way, before going that route at the end of the second movie.

Yes, I'm keeping the post really vague because I don't want to spoil anything.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 12, 2019, 09:34:19 PM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm it’s super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 13, 2019, 04:55:50 AM
I think they got *there* way too fast. I mean, they obviously wouldn't have done it if they didn't already have the outcome planned in advance, but I feel like they could've done at least a third movie, developing more the character in a different way, before going that route at the end of the second movie.

But here's the thing... *that* topic from the mid-credits scene was a key part of Mysterio's storyline in the comics, so it made absolute sense to have it with this movie.  And Adami's 2nd point is the life mission of *that* other person.

IMO, the mid-credits scene was absolute perfection.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 13, 2019, 08:35:55 AM
I think they got *there* way too fast. I mean, they obviously wouldn't have done it if they didn't already have the outcome planned in advance, but I feel like they could've done at least a third movie, developing more the character in a different way, before going that route at the end of the second movie.

But here's the thing... *that* topic from the mid-credits scene was a key part of Mysterio's storyline in the comics, so it made absolute sense to have it with this movie.  And Adami's 2nd point is the life mission of *that* other person.

IMO, the mid-credits scene was absolute perfection.

Well, you’re right, I guess I just didn’t see it coming and have no idea how they’ll find a new “normal” for the character afterwards. But they’ll totally manage to “fix” that, for sure.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on July 13, 2019, 09:23:21 AM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm it’s super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

Okay, I'm apparently completely fucked up on which scenes are which.

I thought the mid-credits scene was Happy is or is not dating Aunt May. Cute and fluffy, but not critical.

and the post-credits scene was Fury and Hill were Skrulls the whole time.  Somewhat more interesting.

but I also remember The Daily Bugle and JJJ now.  I'd forgotten about that.  But there were only two "extra" scenes, so I'm way confused.  Reality no longer has any meaning.  Time and space are meaningless human constructs created in a futile attempt to impose order on a chaotic universe.  And on top of all that, we're out of peanut butter.  What the fuck.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on July 13, 2019, 09:41:59 AM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm it’s super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

Okay, I'm apparently completely fucked up on which scenes are which.

I thought the mid-credits scene was Happy is or is not dating Aunt May. Cute and fluffy, but not critical.

and the post-credits scene was Fury and Hill were Skrulls the whole time.  Somewhat more interesting.

but I also remember The Daily Bugle and JJJ now.  I'd forgotten about that.  But there were only two "extra" scenes, so I'm way confused.  Reality no longer has any meaning.  Time and space are meaningless human constructs created in a futile attempt to impose order on a chaotic universe.  And on top of all that, we're out of peanut butter.  What the fuck.

The May is dating thing was just a cute setup, the whole point of the first post-credit scene is that Spider-Man is now framed for the murder of the "hero" Mysterio and that he ordered the drone attacks. And his identity was revealed to the public. This likely means that Peter Parker/Spider-Man will become a major fugutive in the next film or next Avengers. And just his identity being known means his whole social life will drastically change. Traditionally Spider-Man is a kid/student trying to balance a normal life with superhero stuff, with all the moral challenges that come with it. This twist takes away that dynamic and will present Peter with challenges that have not been explored in all of those Spidey films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on July 13, 2019, 09:50:38 AM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm it’s super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

Okay, I'm apparently completely fucked up on which scenes are which.

I thought the mid-credits scene was Happy is or is not dating Aunt May. Cute and fluffy, but not critical.

and the post-credits scene was Fury and Hill were Skrulls the whole time.  Somewhat more interesting.

but I also remember The Daily Bugle and JJJ now.  I'd forgotten about that.  But there were only two "extra" scenes, so I'm way confused.  Reality no longer has any meaning.  Time and space are meaningless human constructs created in a futile attempt to impose order on a chaotic universe.  And on top of all that, we're out of peanut butter.  What the fuck.

The May is dating thing was just a cute setup, the whole point of the first post-credit scene is that Spider-Man is now framed for the murder of the "hero" Mysterio and that he ordered the drone attacks. And his identity was revealed to the public. This likely means that Peter Parker/Spider-Man will become a major fugutive in the next film or next Avengers. And just his identity being known means his whole social life will drastically change. Traditionally Spider-Man is a kid/student trying to balance a normal life with superhero stuff, with all the moral challenges that come with it. This twist takes away that dynamic and will present Peter with challenges that have not been explored in all of those Spidey films.

Yeah, that's definitely more of a game-changer.  So the scene I thought was mid-credits was at the end of the movie proper?  One last chuckle before the credits roll?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 13, 2019, 10:05:15 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 13, 2019, 12:42:29 PM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm it’s super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

Okay, I'm apparently completely fucked up on which scenes are which.

I thought the mid-credits scene was Happy is or is not dating Aunt May. Cute and fluffy, but not critical.

and the post-credits scene was Fury and Hill were Skrulls the whole time.  Somewhat more interesting.

but I also remember The Daily Bugle and JJJ now.  I'd forgotten about that.  But there were only two "extra" scenes, so I'm way confused.  Reality no longer has any meaning.  Time and space are meaningless human constructs created in a futile attempt to impose order on a chaotic universe.  And on top of all that, we're out of peanut butter.  What the fuck.

The May is dating thing was just a cute setup, the whole point of the first post-credit scene is that Spider-Man is now framed for the murder of the "hero" Mysterio and that he ordered the drone attacks. And his identity was revealed to the public. This likely means that Peter Parker/Spider-Man will become a major fugutive in the next film or next Avengers. And just his identity being known means his whole social life will drastically change. Traditionally Spider-Man is a kid/student trying to balance a normal life with superhero stuff, with all the moral challenges that come with it. This twist takes away that dynamic and will present Peter with challenges that have not been explored in all of those Spidey films.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on July 14, 2019, 05:16:28 PM
So watched Deadpool 2 again for like the severalth time.

Spoliers below obviously...

I cannot believe I never caught the shot of Juggernaut coming out of the pool right as the gang walk past the camera at the very end scene just before the credits start rolling.

I wonder what is going to happen with Deadpool's movie treatment, not sure if the X-force movie is still happening.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 14, 2019, 11:00:05 PM
Didn't see a thread for it so I'm just posting in here... FINALLY saw Into the Spider-verse tonight. Holy cow, that blew away my expectations. Extremely entertaining movie, and the last 30 minutes was some of the most colorful stuff I've seen on screen. It was almost too much at times, but in a good way, the most comic book-y animated film I've ever seen. So good I might even pick it up on Blu-ray.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on July 15, 2019, 05:33:10 AM
I bought the blu-ray of Spider-verse, it's totally worth it. The extras are great and there's a commentary on the main movie track. There is a bonus alternate universe mode as well that includes the movie with outtakes and other bits and pieces. My biggest regret is not watching the movie in the theater, it would've been an amazing experience.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on July 15, 2019, 07:57:47 AM
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm it’s super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

1. This could easily be explained away with the use of the Skrulls. Have a scene with a skrull posing as Peter Parker and have the real Spidey swing by (or be in another place) or maybe it's a hallucination or something. I wouldn't even be surprised by the time we get to the next Spidey movie if this was resolved off screen in between movies.
2. Spider-Man having the world against him isn't really that weird I mean it's kinda his thing that he helps people even though many of them fear him or see him as a villain.


Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on July 15, 2019, 09:15:52 PM
Just saw Homecoming. Liked it, but not as much as most of you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on July 15, 2019, 10:33:18 PM
Just saw Homecoming. Liked it, but not as much as most of you.


Wait. ....Homecoming? 

You just saw the first one that came out 2 years ago?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on July 16, 2019, 07:57:11 AM
Sorry, I meant Far From Home*. So, here is what I liked:

- Graphics were really cool. I liked the direction they went to with the story. At first I thought the whole "Alternate universe" thing was gonna be real, but I am glad it was not. Both of the pots credit scenes were great, Specially the one with Fury hinting at whats coming next. Ned was hilarious in this movie.

Here is what I did not like:

- As cool as the graphics were, at times the CGI looked bad. I understand this is its own movie, but it did not feel like a good follow up to end game, and except for the airplane scene, you didn't really feel the trauma/pain Peter was going through. They could've done a lot more with the snap and people that came back, but instead the made it into a cheap joke.

Overall a good movie, I enjoyed it. I am just nitpicking here.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on July 16, 2019, 08:09:15 PM
So Thor 4 confirmed...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/taika-waititi-direct-thor-4-1224464
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 16, 2019, 09:34:59 PM
So Thor 4 confirmed...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/taika-waititi-direct-thor-4-1224464

Interesting, but isn’t Thor going to appear in GOTG 3 before that? I know that hasn’t been “officially” confirmed, but that’s what they led us to believe in Endgame :eek
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 17, 2019, 08:45:35 AM
Saw FFH last night.  I liked it.  A LOT.  It pretty much did everything right as far as what one could reasonably want from a Spiderman movie.  Nothing about it that I didn't like.  And it was fun that it sort of had that European spy thriller feel for a good chunk of it. 

What it did NOT do (through no fault of its own) is get me excited for phase 4.  Yeah, I thought the Skrull bit was a great fakeout, and was just overall pretty cool.  But I'm also not super compelled by the secret invasion plotline either.  Not that there's anything wrong with it.  I'm not against it in any way, shape, or form.  It just doesn't get me "excited."  Perhaps part of that is due to the fact that, although the Skrull plotline was one of the best things about Captain Marvel, that film didn't thrill me as a whole and is probably my second least favorite in the franchise.  And I think the other part of it is simply that I'm finally feeling Marvel fatigue.  The first three phases, as a whole, were brilliant.  But now I'm just kind of feeling done.  I mean, I'll still likely see everything, or at least almost everything, they put out.  But depending on the film, I may or may not go out and see it in the first couple of weeks, and I might even just wait for home release for some of them.

Some notes/questions about Mysterio:  First off, the effects and overall look of this character were incredible.  Really well done.   :tup  So, did anyone REALLY think he wasn't going to be a bad guy?  The only thing that made me slightly doubt was the fact that he had Fury completely in his corner.  But COME ON!  I did think his bar monologue and explaining who each member of his team was to his team was kinda dumb.  But whatever.  So...is he really dead?  Or I guess the better question is:  Did he fake his death, or did his crew put that video together?   I can't decide.
 Oh, and while we're on the subject of his death, I'm SUPER pissed at New Rock Stars for totally spoiling that by having "Mysterio's death" in the title of one of their analysis videos.  I'm so angry at them that I'm legitimately thinking of unsubscribing to their YouTube channel.


EDITH:  SUPER lame of Peter to give up EDITH so easily to someone he barely knew.  The whole time, you just KNEW it was the wrong move.  And I had to suspend belief to think Peter would be that dumb.  But to the film's credit, I felt Peter's angst over just wanting to have a normal life and relationships with MJ and his friends, and how distracted he was over all of that, I didn't have to suspend belief TOO much.   

Speaking of which, I think they just did an overall fantastic job of capturing the teenage angst over everyday trivialities and making it engaging.  Pretty much everything Peter and his friends went through on that trip was simultaneously relatable and eyerolling. 

Overall, really good, fun film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 17, 2019, 10:01:06 AM
I'll admit... I would be pretty bummed if Thor isn't in GotG 3. He has become my favourite Avenger.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on July 17, 2019, 10:08:03 AM
With Thor having his own movie now I imagine he can just be a throwaway line in GOTG 3.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 17, 2019, 10:13:04 AM
With Thor having his own movie now I imagine he can just be a throwaway line in GOTG 3.

*ship is flying through space*
Drax: I have not seen the fat pirate in some time.
Rocket: Yea he's been gettin' intimate with that Bowflex in the gym since he stepped on the ship. All he's done for the last six weeks.

 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on July 17, 2019, 10:21:46 AM
Saw FFH last night.  I liked it.  A LOT.  It pretty much did everything right as far as what one could reasonably want from a Spiderman movie.  Nothing about it that I didn't like.  And it was fun that it sort of had that European spy thriller feel for a good chunk of it. 

What it did NOT do (through no fault of its own) is get me excited for phase 4.  Yeah, I thought the Skrull bit was a great fakeout, and was just overall pretty cool.  But I'm also not super compelled by the secret invasion plotline either.  Not that there's anything wrong with it.  I'm not against it in any way, shape, or form.  It just doesn't get me "excited."  Perhaps part of that is due to the fact that, although the Skrull plotline was one of the best things about Captain Marvel, that film didn't thrill me as a whole and is probably my second least favorite in the franchise.  And I think the other part of it is simply that I'm finally feeling Marvel fatigue.  The first three phases, as a whole, were brilliant.  But now I'm just kind of feeling done.  I mean, I'll still likely see everything, or at least almost everything, they put out.  But depending on the film, I may or may not go out and see it in the first couple of weeks, and I might even just wait for home release for some of them.

Some notes/questions about Mysterio:  First off, the effects and overall look of this character were incredible.  Really well done.   :tup  So, did anyone REALLY think he wasn't going to be a bad guy?  The only thing that made me slightly doubt was the fact that he had Fury completely in his corner.  But COME ON!  I did think his bar monologue and explaining who each member of his team was to his team was kinda dumb.  But whatever.  So...is he really dead?  Or I guess the better question is:  Did he fake his death, or did his crew put that video together?   I can't decide.
 Oh, and while we're on the subject of his death, I'm SUPER pissed at New Rock Stars for totally spoiling that by having "Mysterio's death" in the title of one of their analysis videos.  I'm so angry at them that I'm legitimately thinking of unsubscribing to their YouTube channel.


EDITH:  SUPER lame of Peter to give up EDITH so easily to someone he barely knew.  The whole time, you just KNEW it was the wrong move.  And I had to suspend belief to think Peter would be that dumb.  But to the film's credit, I felt Peter's angst over just wanting to have a normal life and relationships with MJ and his friends, and how distracted he was over all of that, I didn't have to suspend belief TOO much.   

Speaking of which, I think they just did an overall fantastic job of capturing the teenage angst over everyday trivialities and making it engaging.  Pretty much everything Peter and his friends went through on that trip was simultaneously relatable and eyerolling. 

Overall, really good, fun film.


Pretty much all of this. I was really impressed at how well Phase 4 is starting out, but still not sure how excited I am for the bigger story yet.  Love the way they capture relatable teenage issues.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 17, 2019, 10:28:34 AM
None of you can be too excited for the phase 4 story since no one knows what it is.

They have essentially made phases 1-3 their own thing and phase 4 will just be the start of something new that they will hopefully reveal Friday at SDCC.

Spider-man wasn't meant to build hype for phase 4 as much as the future of Spider-Man alone.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 17, 2019, 10:36:42 AM
The film as a whole wasn't meant to build hype for phase 4.  But the end credits scene was. 

But anyway, yeah, I agree that we don't know much about where Marvel is going next.  I'm just saying that, as of right now, I'm not that excited about it.  Or maybe more accurately, my excitement is tempered.  They did tremendously with the universe and character building up to this point.  But this many films in, I'm just starting to feel a bit of Marvel exhaustion now that the infinity saga has finally wrapped.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 17, 2019, 10:38:32 AM
The film as a whole wasn't meant to build hype for phase 4.  But the end credits scene was. 

But anyway, yeah, I agree that we don't know much about where Marvel is going next.  I'm just saying that, as of right now, I'm not that excited about it.  Or maybe more accurately, my excitement is tempered.  They did tremendously with the universe and character building up to this point.  But this many films in, I'm just starting to feel a bit of Marvel exhaustion now that the infinity saga has finally wrapped.

That's totally fair.

I'm not sure how the Skrull thing will play into phase 4. Obviously everyone is thinking Secret Invasion, but since that had Skrulls as enemies and this has them as allies, I'm not so sure that's a reasonable guess. I am just remaining open.

But yea, I get the fatigue. I'm not there, personally, but if they took 2020 off....I'd be okay with that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 17, 2019, 10:48:43 AM
One more note on FFH, somewhat-related to what we were just talking about.

I have seen some comments critical of the fact that Mysterio and his crew were disgruntled Stark minions.  I actually thought that was quite fitting for this specific film.  This film feels like it is trying to deal with and bring closure to the aftermath of both Stark and Thanos, and in a world dealing with NOT having Stark, I think it was actually quite fitting that his fingerprints were all over everything that happened.  It just felt right for the final film of this phase.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 17, 2019, 10:53:05 AM
One more note on FFH, somewhat-related to what we were just talking about.

I have seen some comments critical of the fact that Mysterio and his crew were disgruntled Stark minions.  I actually thought that was quite fitting for this specific film.  This film feels like it is trying to deal with and bring closure to the aftermath of both Stark and Thanos, and in a world dealing with NOT having Stark, I think it was actually quite fitting that his fingerprints were all over everything that happened.  It just felt right for the final film of this phase.

100% agree with that, bosk.

I don't have Marvel fatigue yet but that's because I pick and choose which films to see in theaters and also I only invest hype in certain characters, and some of those characters are no longer around (Chris Evans Cap, Tony Stark Iron Man, and I name them that way because the heroes they embody won't be gone forever, but their portrayals are probably done for good, and I loved them). Spidey, Thor, and the Guardians are basically the last three I really care about on a deep level. I also don't watch the TV shows so perhaps my tolerance is still high.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 17, 2019, 10:57:22 AM
I don't think we need tiny font anymore - the movie has been out for 2 weeks already.  I do see validity in all your points Bosk, even if I don't agree with them all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 17, 2019, 11:00:30 AM
I don't think we need tiny font anymore - the movie has been out for 2 weeks already.  I do see validity in all your points Bosk, even if I don't agree with them all.

Suck it, Canuck!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on July 17, 2019, 11:02:57 AM
I don't think we need tiny font anymore - the movie has been out for 2 weeks already.  I do see validity in all your points Bosk, even if I don't agree with them all.

Suck it, Canuck!

Well, if it's that small ...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 17, 2019, 11:03:09 AM
:rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 17, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
We should keep the tiny font until after Monday. I'm seeing it Monday evening :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 17, 2019, 11:58:28 AM
Ant-Man
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 17, 2019, 01:11:39 PM
Ant-Man

I took a risk... and read this.

I love you :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 20, 2019, 07:10:27 PM
It's official:

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(https://i.ibb.co/ns8VGHj/winter.png) (https://ibb.co/993fDFW)

(https://i.ibb.co/xjcdzZp/eternals.png) (https://ibb.co/NjkbWR8)

(https://i.ibb.co/343tqGf/wanda.png) (https://ibb.co/wBkDX3J)

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 20, 2019, 07:12:13 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Pgwg79S/dr.png) (https://ibb.co/Yhphzyr)

(https://i.ibb.co/JCCn55j/loki.png) (https://ibb.co/Fnn6gg4)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 20, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
Heck yes!! Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, what an epic title. Glad the Eternals rumors were true. I'm also interested in Schang-Chi. I don't have any interest in the TV series unfortunately but they sound more interesting than the current ones.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 20, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/Q8vpSLy/thor.png) (https://ibb.co/LQdYjmV)

(https://i.ibb.co/pXDd1Yg/bw.png) (https://ibb.co/SvTB6F2)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on July 20, 2019, 07:38:06 PM
Amazing.  Also interesting how close a lot of the rumors were.  Not all, but some.  There was nothing official until now, right?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 20, 2019, 07:39:57 PM
Amazing.  Also interesting how close a lot of the rumors were.  Not all, but some.  There was nothing official until now, right?

Right
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 20, 2019, 07:40:57 PM
TASKMASTER IS THE VILLAIN OF BLACK WIDOW
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 20, 2019, 07:47:59 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Yy6Mghk/blade.png) (https://ibb.co/vQbG9kP)

(https://i.ibb.co/M5dpbs4/P4.png) (https://ibb.co/7NhVHX5)

FANTASTIC 4 HAS BEEN ALSO CONFIRMED!

https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/sdcc-2019-all-of-the-marvel-studios-news-coming-out-of-hall-h-at-san-diego-comic-con

Marvel Studios confirmed the Fantastic Four are coming to the MCU! Films like Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, and Captain Marvel 2 were also confirmed. #SDCC2019 http://bit.ly/30R9xNT
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 20, 2019, 08:46:19 PM
Apparently the thor movie will have Natalie Portman as a female thor? :facepalm:
Other than that, it seems like a very solid list of films, and they seem to be taking things slowly, with only 2 films coming up next year. Btw, I'm really curious and excited about the Dr. Strange sequel with Scarlet Witch and the Blade movie :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 20, 2019, 08:57:45 PM
Fantastic Four!! Holy crap!!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 20, 2019, 09:05:00 PM
Fantastic Four!! Holy crap!!  :hefdaddy

 :hefdaddy

And Kevin Faige last word before closing the event:

"No time left to talk about mutants,"

HOLY MOTHER...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on July 20, 2019, 09:14:11 PM
I have no doubt all these movies will be good, but I’m having a hard time getting excited for any of them except Dr. Strange. Blade was a surprised for me!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 20, 2019, 09:15:52 PM
Wow!

Obviously knew about Eternals, Black Widow and assumed most of those sequels, but Blade? F4? Crazy.

Also those titles? Multiverse of Madness? Love and Thunder? Interesting.

And also, YES to female Thor. Obviously people are gonna be annoyed that a girl will be doing it, but come on....Natalie Portman is not going to sign a 10 movie deal, so it's not going to be a super long reign. You'll get your big burly men, don't worry.

Also, I'm a bit concerned about the cast of Eternals. Angelina Jolie? Salma Hayek? Kumail Nanjiani? I like them all, but they seem a bit out of place in a Marvel film. Jolie and Hayek feel like most of those A listers who phone their performances in for a pay check, and Kumail.....huge fan.....but I dunno.

Hope I'm wrong.

But overall? Super pumped!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on July 21, 2019, 06:41:56 AM
Blade! Fantastic Four! Mutants (i.e. X-Men)!

Not too concerned about casting for Eternals. Marvel have done a pretty consistently great job with casting the movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 21, 2019, 08:07:46 AM
The casting for Eternals does make me raise an eyebrow... but yeah, it's Marvel, I'm sure they know what they're doing. Honestly I'm really curious to see Angelina and Kumail in the films. Kumail hasn't done anything like this as far as I know.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 21, 2019, 02:02:29 PM
ENDGAME it’s officially the highest grossing film ever

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 21, 2019, 08:41:28 PM
ENDGAME it’s officially the highest grossing film ever

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: soupytwist on July 22, 2019, 01:59:13 AM
ENDGAME it’s officially the highest grossing film ever

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/

Spidey : Far From Home is also officially the highest grossing Spidey film - and is on course to pass the billion dollar barrier next week (the 9th MCU film to do it).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on July 22, 2019, 11:28:47 AM
Shock to me that Renner is not in the Black Widow film. He must be in it if they do another, the way they’ve been teasing the Budapest thing for so long.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on July 22, 2019, 06:38:08 PM
Shock to me that Renner is not in the Black Widow film. He must be in it if they do another, the way they’ve been teasing the Budapest thing for so long.

Maybe a cameo or something? They do a pretty good job of keeping things like that fairly secret, I mean a good example is the mid credits of Far From Home. :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on July 22, 2019, 06:54:15 PM
I think with Hawkeye having his own show on Disney+ they might not have a need for him in the Black Widow movie. Maybe the show will talk more about his relationship with Natasha.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 22, 2019, 07:30:42 PM
Shock to me that Renner is not in the Black Widow film. He must be in it if they do another, the way they’ve been teasing the Budapest thing for so long.

Maybe a cameo or something? They do a pretty good job of keeping things like that fairly secret, I mean a good example is the mid credits of Far From Home. :P

I would expect this to be the case. I just don't think they're making another Black Widow movie after this one, so this one might be the only one they have to finally explain the Budapest thing... unless they totally want to keep that a mystery :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on July 22, 2019, 08:55:26 PM
I would expect this to be the case. I just don't think they're making another Black Widow movie after this one, so this one might be the only one they have to finally explain the Budapest thing... unless they totally want to keep that a mystery :P

You know what? I always expected them to explain what happened in Budapest but now...I kind of want them to keep it a mystery lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on July 23, 2019, 10:57:23 AM
I would expect this to be the case. I just don't think they're making another Black Widow movie after this one, so this one might be the only one they have to finally explain the Budapest thing... unless they totally want to keep that a mystery :P

You know what? I always expected them to explain what happened in Budapest but now...I kind of want them to keep it a mystery lol

Barton was sent to assassinate her, but they formed a friendship and bond instead which is why the Endgame scene on Vormir is powerful. Sounds like a relationship worthy of exploring.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on July 23, 2019, 11:08:24 AM
Barton was sent to assassinate her, but they formed a friendship and bond instead

Is this MCU canon, Marvel comics canon, both (, neither)?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on July 23, 2019, 02:00:14 PM
Barton was sent to assassinate her, but they formed a friendship and bond instead

Is this MCU canon, Marvel comics canon, both (, neither)?

MCU canon referenced in Avengers. Stated by Natasha.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 23, 2019, 02:02:55 PM
Controversial opinion:  I'm not really excited about any of the upcoming titles, other than Dr. Strange.  The closest behind that is Shang Chi, just because of the Ten Rings/Mandarin thread that has been hanging around the MCU since Iron Man.  A couple of the shows look good though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on July 23, 2019, 02:44:36 PM
Barton was sent to assassinate her, but they formed a friendship and bond instead

Is this MCU canon, Marvel comics canon, both (, neither)?

MCU canon referenced in Avengers. Stated by Natasha.

Thanks.  In that case, I probably knew but already had forgotten that detail.  But apparently it's not a mystery what happened in Budapest, just that some people would like more details.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 23, 2019, 06:38:44 PM
Honestly, we don't need to see it. Remember when things didn't have to be shown in detail? When we could watch Casablanca without demanding the prequel to perfectly explain everything that movie references as a given?

If Hawkeye isn't in this movie, that's cool. Dude's getting a show. He's supposed to be on house arrest then anyway. At most, it'll be a quick phone call or something. Let Natasha do her own thing. She don't need no man -snaps fingers-.

Looking forward to Taskmaster. Hope they give him personality though and not just another angry baddy. Dude has a fun personality in the comics.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on July 23, 2019, 08:04:01 PM
Whatever. They’ve been teasing us about their relationship for years. Maybe YOU don’t need to see it, but I think it’d be a great flick. I don’t understand your comment about house arrest. Surely you know the BW movie is set years in the past seeing as how she’s, you know, very dead?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 23, 2019, 09:00:24 PM
Whatever. They’ve been teasing us about their relationship for years. Maybe YOU don’t need to see it, but I think it’d be a great flick. I don’t understand your comment about house arrest. Surely you know the BW movie is set years in the past seeing as how she’s, you know, very dead?

It’s set between civil war and infinity war. When he was on house arrest. Hence my comment.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 23, 2019, 10:10:41 PM
Whatever. They’ve been teasing us about their relationship for years. Maybe YOU don’t need to see it, but I think it’d be a great flick. I don’t understand your comment about house arrest. Surely you know the BW movie is set years in the past seeing as how she’s, you know, very dead?

It’s set between civil war and infinity war. When he was on house arrest. Hence my comment.

Source? :eek
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 23, 2019, 10:32:28 PM
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a28464157/black-widow-movie-timeline-mcu-scarlett-johansson/


When did you guys think it was set?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on July 24, 2019, 04:58:05 AM
Whatever. They’ve been teasing us about their relationship for years. Maybe YOU don’t need to see it, but I think it’d be a great flick. I don’t understand your comment about house arrest. Surely you know the BW movie is set years in the past seeing as how she’s, you know, very dead?

It’s set between civil war and infinity war. When he was on house arrest. Hence my comment.

Source? :eek

Yeah, thought I heard set in the ‘90s shortly after her red-room graduation.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 24, 2019, 07:44:40 AM
Whatever. They’ve been teasing us about their relationship for years. Maybe YOU don’t need to see it, but I think it’d be a great flick. I don’t understand your comment about house arrest. Surely you know the BW movie is set years in the past seeing as how she’s, you know, very dead?

It’s set between civil war and infinity war. When he was on house arrest. Hence my comment.

Source? :eek

Yeah, thought I heard set in the ‘90s shortly after her red-room graduation.

I heard the same thing, that’s why I was asking :o
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on July 24, 2019, 09:33:02 AM
Well, according to the article, we will learn more about Budapest

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Meanwhile, the Black Widow movie will see the superhero in Budapest, a location which has been referenced previously in the MCU.

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With the city confirmed for the prequel, it also appears we will learn a bit more about the events of Budapest
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 09:45:34 AM
So, I've been reflecting on Phase 4, and I think it's actually a very smart move.

No Avengers films. No HUGE event films.

I think, at this point, they can confidently make movies for a phase that aren't all billion dollar explosions at the box office. They can scale back a bit and focus on the characters, instead of the next big thing. They might lose some people, but I'd rather they focus on quality than playing directly to fans who just want big big BIG events and risking lowering quality to meet that.

So I'm happy with Phase 4. I'm sure Phase 5 will have some more big names in it, such as Black Panther, Guardians, etc.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2019, 09:53:16 AM
I'm not so sure that's the best move for an entire "phase."  But I guess time will tell.  But I guess ultimately, they've built up so much goodwill and made so much money that even if all of phase 4 is deemed a "failure" by having only moderate success, they can more than afford to just tread water for awhile and expand the universe while allowing any "Avengers fatigue" to subside before ramping up for the next big thing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 09:57:40 AM
I'm not so sure that's the best move for an entire "phase."  But I guess time will tell.  But I guess ultimately, they've built up so much goodwill and made so much money that even if all of phase 4 is deemed a "failure" by having only moderate success, they can more than afford to just tread water for awhile and expand the universe while allowing any "Avengers fatigue" to subside before ramping up for the next big thing.

Well after Endgame, they can either try to go bigger, or go much smaller. I think any attempt to go bigger would be a failure right now. They have to lay a lot of groundwork for anything bigger to really hit home. I think this is them doing that. Investing in (mostly) new characters to lay new ground before melding it with the surviving older characters in Phase 5.

Maybe it will be a failure, I dunno. But I hope we're not at a point where anything less than Infinity War/Endgame box office is considered a failure. It seems they are changing their goals for this phase and it works just fine.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2019, 10:01:58 AM
I hear you.  And for reasons I've already stated, I can't disagree much.  As I said, I personally am not very excited for most of this phase.  But I'm also perfectly okay with not being very excited for it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 10:14:16 AM
I hear you.  And for reasons I've already stated, I can't disagree much.  As I said, I personally am not very excited for most of this phase.  But I'm also perfectly okay with not being very excited for it.

Totally. I think it's also a nice chance for Marvel to essentially challenge themselves. Not hard to get people excited about a new Avengers or Captain American movie, or even a movie you KNOW will have consequences on the next Avengers movie, you know? But a new Shang Chi movie? Eternals? They gotta put some effort into making these movies good and exciting. They can't rest so much anymore on pure association. I look forward to seeing how they do that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
Yup.  And also:

They've planted the seeds for some or all of these stories already, so there definitely will be that connective tissue that will likely make these much more appealing once we get trailers and news about the specific stories. 

AND there's also the fact that the present leadership have just shown a knack for good stories and good presentation.  I know I am in a pretty significant majority that was very underwhelmed by the initial announcement of the first Guardians of the Galaxy film.  And look at how that turned out.  With 2 Guardians films in the rearview mirror and appearances in the last 2 Avengers films, the Guardians franchise is perhaps one of the most popular and beloved in the MCU.  Marvel just generally does right by these stories and characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 24, 2019, 10:36:54 AM
So, I've been reflecting on Phase 4, and I think it's actually a very smart move.

No Avengers films. No HUGE event films.

I think, at this point, they can confidently make movies for a phase that aren't all billion dollar explosions at the box office. They can scale back a bit and focus on the characters, instead of the next big thing. They might lose some people, but I'd rather they focus on quality than playing directly to fans who just want big big BIG events and risking lowering quality to meet that.

So I'm happy with Phase 4. I'm sure Phase 5 will have some more big names in it, such as Black Panther, Guardians, etc.

I agree. Honestly I didn't even want any Avengers movies for phase 4. To me phase 4 has always been about picking up the pieces in the wake of Thanos and the Infinity War, so I'm very happy they're not shoehorning in massive events, and are giving the universe (multiverse?) some breathing room before bringing in the heavy hitters (X-Men and co.) for another massive arc. So you think Guardians 3 is definitely reserved for phase 5? I really wonder how big a monkey wrench the James Gunn thing threw into the mix; I always assumed Guardians 3 would introduce Adam Warlock, and they'd do that in phase 4 as one of the first big steps towards a massive arc in phase 5. But now... hmm.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 10:42:18 AM
I'm not so sure that's the best move for an entire "phase." 
There's no reason to believe that the fully announced films are the entirety of Phase 4. Perfectly possible there's a big event film later in the phase.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 10:43:22 AM
I'm not so sure that's the best move for an entire "phase." 
There's no reason to believe that the fully announced films are the entirety of Phase 4. Perfectly possible there's a big event film later in the phase.

Possible, but Kevin said that what was released was the complete Phase 4 line up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Podaar on July 24, 2019, 10:55:30 AM
I was pretty excited to see that Blade logo and to hear that a quality actor like Mahershala Ali was not only on board but actively sought the role. On second thought, I'm wondering how a character like Blade and his universe would dovetail with the MCU, really. I'd also be concerned about how (extra) campy a PG13 Blade movie would be. Without the blood and gore the stories would loose too much of the horror element. Not that they won't do an R rated move, they just might, but again that wouldn't really mesh well with the larger MCU. They must have some idea on how to make it work...I guess I'll just need to have a little faith.

One things for sure, Ali better start weight lifting now and eating a lot of protein. Blade fans expect a certain amount of musculature to the character. I always thought Mike Colter would have made a great Blade but that wouldn't work now that he's associated with Luke Cage.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on July 24, 2019, 10:58:15 AM
What if Blade has no connection to the MCU/MCM? Like Deadpool, kinda? His own standalone thing. Has Marvel ever said they'd do that with their characters? Seems like a perfect time to work on a character who's doing his own thing... unless all of these films are supposed to take place in the same interconnected world.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on July 24, 2019, 11:01:05 AM
So, I've been reflecting on Phase 4, and I think it's actually a very smart move.

No Avengers films. No HUGE event films.

I think, at this point, they can confidently make movies for a phase that aren't all billion dollar explosions at the box office. They can scale back a bit and focus on the characters, instead of the next big thing. They might lose some people, but I'd rather they focus on quality than playing directly to fans who just want big big BIG events and risking lowering quality to meet that.

So I'm happy with Phase 4. I'm sure Phase 5 will have some more big names in it, such as Black Panther, Guardians, etc.

It feels like Stage one again.  Building characters, building the stage.  We get to see characters grow again.  I'm down with it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2019, 11:05:02 AM
I'd also be concerned about how (extra) campy a PG13 Blade movie would be. Without the blood and gore the stories would loose too much of the horror element. Not that they won't do an R rated move, they just might, but again that wouldn't really mesh well with the larger MCU. They must have some idea on how to make it work...I guess I'll just need to have a little faith.

Well, apparently, the Dr. Strange film is supposed to be in the horror genre as well, so it certainly seems like Marvel has a plan for this type/tone of film in its universe.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 01:35:37 PM
I'm not so sure that's the best move for an entire "phase." 
There's no reason to believe that the fully announced films are the entirety of Phase 4. Perfectly possible there's a big event film later in the phase.

Possible, but Kevin said that what was released was the complete Phase 4 line up.
I thought that included the ones that were mentioned but didn't have big announcements with logos and release dates etc. Some of those seemed like almost just passing mentions ("and we didn't even have time to talk about Mutants...") so I dunno, I'm not assuming anything at this stage.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 01:38:15 PM
I'm not so sure that's the best move for an entire "phase." 
There's no reason to believe that the fully announced films are the entirety of Phase 4. Perfectly possible there's a big event film later in the phase.

Possible, but Kevin said that what was released was the complete Phase 4 line up.
I thought that included the ones that were mentioned but didn't have big announcements with logos and release dates etc. Some of those seemed like almost just passing mentions ("and we didn't even have time to talk about Mutants...") so I dunno, I'm not assuming anything at this stage.

I'm honestly not sure what this means.

The Mutants thing, and the FF and Blade are (as far as I know) not Phase 4 stuff. Maybe Phase 5 or Phase 6.

I think it's safe to assume that what we saw was complete Phase 4 and that they'll use that plus the next two phases to create the big event.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2019, 01:51:37 PM
I'm not so sure that's the best move for an entire "phase." 
There's no reason to believe that the fully announced films are the entirety of Phase 4. Perfectly possible there's a big event film later in the phase.

Possible, but Kevin said that what was released was the complete Phase 4 line up.
I thought that included the ones that were mentioned but didn't have big announcements with logos and release dates etc. Some of those seemed like almost just passing mentions ("and we didn't even have time to talk about Mutants...") so I dunno, I'm not assuming anything at this stage.

I'm honestly not sure what this means.

I think what he means is:  The statement was just vague/imprecise enough that it left room for interpretation as to whether this is a "complete" list, a semi-complete list subject to other known or presently-unknown additions, or something else. 

And that doesn't even take into account that circumstances just sometimes arise that cause plans to change.  Even if it is contemplated right now that what we were told comprises the complete phase 4, things could happen that could cause films to be added or dropped, or for the order to change.  It wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 01:55:14 PM
I mean, I don't see how "this is complete" could mean "this isn't complete."

As far as changes go, I totally agree. However, there's a difference between say "Thor's script changed and now it's something else" and "We just randomly decided to make Avengers 5: Galactus eats Earth" and are adding it!

A big Avengers film or event film is not going to be added later unless they are purposefully withholding it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 02:06:18 PM
Only 5 films had release dates, spanning just 2 years. If that's the entirety of phase 4, that's kind of odd.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM
Only 5 films had release dates, spanning just 2 years. If that's the entirety of phase 4, that's kind of odd.

Yes, however it seems that they are taking a new approach with the Disney + shows. I think that they consider those to be integral parts of the phase, unlike previous shows which were just kind of there and didn't matter at all. They said WandaVision directly informs Dr. Strange 2, etc. So It seems Phase 4 is half movies/half TV.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 02:11:43 PM
Could be. Still seems a very short period of time though, only 2 years. I guess time will tell!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 24, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
I mean, I don't see how "this is complete" could mean "this isn't complete."

As far as changes go, I totally agree. However, there's a difference between say "Thor's script changed and now it's something else" and "We just randomly decided to make Avengers 5: Galactus eats Earth" and are adding it!

A big Avengers film or event film is not going to be added later unless they are purposefully withholding it.
I'm not talking about changes in script.  I'm talking about the film release schedule being altered, which has happened.  For example, Ant Man was originally supposed to be in phase 1.  Ultron was not supposed to show up on phase 2.  The Eternals were going to be in phase 3.  So was the Inhumans movie.  Spider Man was added in after the fact.  Etc.

Stuff happens.  Things change.  That's life.

But as for your last point, I'm not talking about an Avengers or "big event" film, and I don't think ariich is either.  That's completely irrelevant to whether, by the time we get to the end of phase 4, the list of films/shows is identical to what we have now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2019, 02:19:56 PM
Oh, then I misunderstood. I thought Rich was saying that Marvel could still put more big even films or something in there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on July 24, 2019, 03:06:00 PM
To be clear, I wasn't saying that I think they *will* do that, only that they *could*, either because things change (as bosk says) or because they're holding something back.

Even that is based on Phase 4 lasting longer than two years, as nothing is yet confirmed beyond that. However, if Phase 4 is genuinely that short then I agree it's very unlikely anything would be changed or added at such short notice.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on July 24, 2019, 04:56:30 PM
Marvel has basically admitted that announcing the two Avengers movies to end phase 3 years in advance was a mistake. I could see there being some sort of big team up movie, whether it's called Avengers or not, to end phase 4 that doesn't get announced for a while.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on July 24, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
Started JJ S3, so far very slow
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on July 26, 2019, 10:58:41 AM
Something I'd like to see in Phase 4 is more world building, and by that I mean small cameos from other heroes. They don't even have to be speaking parts, just news footage or something. Dr. Strange is watching the news, and there's a report of Spider-man stopping The Kingpin, or Dr. Richards develops such and such. I think that'd be really cool. We've sort of seen it before as easter eggs, but after 10 years and a bunch of solo films that really don't acknowledge other heroes other than name or location drops, it's time to see them interact in the world.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 26, 2019, 11:32:49 AM
I don't disagree with you about how cool that is.  But they've actually done that quite a bit.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on July 26, 2019, 11:59:26 AM
I don't disagree with you about how cool that is.  But they've actually done that quite a bit.

The scene in Thor(?) just sprang to mind where they showed footage of Hulk on the news. Maybe it was Avengers, but I mean cameos of characters that otherwise have no part in the story. Just quick 30 second scenes. Again, it would really only work as news stories. Character A is watching TV and there's an update on a trial and you see Matt Murdock.  I know they've mentioned other heroes by name, but we should see them. Isn't Far From Home the first movie to actually question where the other heroes are during a major crisis? Where were they when dark elves were invading? "The vigilante Daredevil strikes again", and they show the DD in flames. Stuff like that. Or for a name drop, so and so needs a lawyer, and someone suggests "a blind lawyer in Hell's Kitchen".  I've only seen some of the MCU movies once, so maybe for those ones I've forgotten scenes like that. Before it Hawkeye perching in Thor, but now we have so many more heroes, and lot of them live in the same state. We should see you know who from that recent mid credits scene a lot more now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 02, 2019, 08:48:06 AM
For those who care (Adami :P), they announced a crossover episode between Runaways and Cloak & Dagger for season 3.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 05, 2019, 09:36:11 AM
So...Agents of SHIELD season finale?

*******SPOILERS**********
































This was a...good finale to a good season.  There were elements that, IMO, could have made it great.  But also some missteps that I felt brought it down a bit--things that I felt did not emotionally resonate like they should have.  Then again, I have had a lot going on and may have been more distracted during viewing than normal.  But still.  A few stray comments:

-Agent May.   :omg:  "What, you didn't see that coming?"  Nope!  How could I?  I thought the "death doesn't matter here" was going to be a contrived way of having her somehow survive being run through, and it was kind of an eyeroll "stakes don't matter" moment.  I thought for sure they were going to have her somehow pull through.  Under the circumstances, purely from a plot standpoint, I'm glad she didn't.  But, man!, will she be missed!   :'( 

-Related to that...okay, the original team, if I'm not forgetting somebody, was 6 people:  Coulson, May, Fitz, Simmons, Daisy, and Ward.  Half of them are dead.  Half.  How crazy is that?  Yeah, we have an incarnation of "Coulson," sort of.  But it isn't really Coulson (although I have no doubt that next season will play with the idea of "well, what is 'real' Coulson anyway, and is this version any less 'real?'" even more than this season did).  And I guess I make a distinction with Fitz because, although one version of him died and we now, arguably, have a different version, it's still "real" Fitz.  But, again, we've lost HALF of the original team from the start of this thing!   :omg:

-Speaking of Fitz and Simmons...yeah, they NEVER catch a break.  That's well established as a "thing" in this series.  It's kinda like Spiderman/Peter Parker never really catching a break and never really getting a happy ending has been a thing in the comics, and the end of FFH delivered HUGELY on that.  But what exactly does “change the natural course of your lives forever” actually mean?  I felt like this was supposed to have been a huge gut punch moment, and it wasn't.  I guess it's hard to keep the emotional stakes so high when they have already been through so much as a couple.  But I just felt like this fell FAR flat of what it was supposed to be.  In any case, their overall storyline arc this season was, as always, deep and incredibly fun.   

-Nothing good ever comes from being in ancient temples.  Nothing.

-Piper got progressively less annoying, which is good.  But I still feel like she is unnecessary.  ...from a viewer standpoint, that is; from a team/tactical standpoint, they obviously need to replace big pieces that are removed from the board.  Luckily, even with SHIELD getting decimated so many times over past seasons, they still find ways to have enough red shirts to make the SHIELD machine go.

-Flint.  Hmm...not sure how I feel about this.  I kinda felt like this was a cheap, quick way to get to the end of the Izel/monolith arc.  I don't feel like the way the lore was set up should have supported that a person/thing created by somebody's mind(s) should be able to literally have the power to do what Flint did.  But whatever.  I guess I can suspend belief on that.  It just seems like a bit of a chore to do so.  And I think the writers sort of acknowledged that by keeping the pace so frenetic that you didn't really have time to think about it too deeply as it was going down.  But I'm not sure how I feel about him actually showing up and being around going forward.  Seems like some fan service in an area that nobody actually wanted.  I guess we'll how well his character fits in going forward. 

-Chronicoms...hmm...I liked it when I thought they were basically all a race of anthropologists.  Part of me is still trying to reject the idea of the hunter caste.  And SHIELD is the only thing that can stop them?  Well, notwithstanding the conflict between MCU film vs. MCU tv, they still both exist and purport to be in the same universe, so I kinda feel like they owe it to the viewers to come up with SOME kind of contrived explanation as to why some of the others supers aren't a legitimate "threat" to the chronicoms.  I'm just not sure of this whole chronicom storyline.  But then again, every season so far has ended up turning out to be pretty good, so I guess I shouldn't doubt.

-More Ghostrider?  Please?  I don't particularly care for the character, in general.  But I feel like they really made him work well in the AOS universe, and the Ghostrider teases they have been dropping really make me hopeful for a return.

-Gripe of the day:  Well, first, a preamble to the gripe of the day:  This applies to ALL tv shows and movies alike, so I'm NOT singling out AOS here.  Okay, with that out of the way, here is our gripe of the day:  NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE SOLVED AT THE LAST POSSIBLE SECOND!  YES, IT CAN BUILD TENSION, BUT IT CAN ALSO COME ACROSS AS LAME AND DISINGENUOUS!  Yoyo did NOT need to have a shrike fly down her throat and be mere seconds away from shrike-zombification when Izel died.  The transformation was already underway.  Her body would have been too wrecked for her to survive.  I hate stuff like this. I really do.  And related gripe:  I hate the stupid "maybe if we kill the queen, the hive mind dies, and the overwhelming threat of innumerable drones just goes away because they all just die/deactivate" trope/plot device.  I always have.  It's stupid.  It didn't work in The Phantom Menace.  It didn't work in The Avengers and brought down an otherwise stellar film.  It almost kinda worked in Stranger Things 2 and 3.  But not really (although, for some reason, it pissed me off less).  And it didn't work here either.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on August 05, 2019, 06:12:14 PM
I enjoyed it.  I dont think May is dead though.  Simmons showed up and out her in a cryo pod looking thing and made a comment that she should survive her injuries.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 05, 2019, 09:38:58 PM
Too lazy to answer to all your points, Bosk, but I'll try to comment on most things you said. It was a short but very good season, I don't want it to go after the next season :'(

- Like Grappler said, May is going to survive. Simmons even said "she's going to be ok" and injected her with something. I really wasn't expecting any of the main characters to die if they're coming up with a big series finale next season. They're probably saving all the big casualties for next year.

- Speaking of all the main cast characters that are dead or just "gone", I hope they bring Bobbi and Hunter back for next season, they were amazing and had to write them off for a spin off show that never happened. They characters were great!

- Fitz and Simmons really deserve a happy ending for the next season :'(

- As you say, bringing Flint back was probably just a fan service move, but I think they can use him in cool ways moving forward. We'll see.

- The chronicoms arc was annoying for me as well. At first I thought they were going to solve that plotline when Fitz and Jemma managed to get back to Earth, but nope, they still appeared a few seconds every once in a while to remind the audience they still were a threat, but it just didn't work well tbh. That twist at the end was unexpected and unnecesary, it didn't have the impact it should've had because it felt so rushed. Still looking forward to next season, tho.

- Wasn't Ghost Rider confirmed for a spin off series in the next year(s)?

- I get you on the Yo Yo twist with the Shrike at the end, there was just no way she could've survived that, as the previous "shrike zombies" were all dead once they took full control of their bodies. Plot shielding (pun intended), I guess.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 06, 2019, 08:09:31 AM
Oh, that's right.  We have a Maysicle.  Forgot about that.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 06, 2019, 10:19:59 AM
Pro-tip: When something flies into your mouth and is trying to get down your throat, grabbing at your throat is not effective.  You have a full 2-3 seconds of the thing flapping on your face to grab it by the wings, throw it on the ground, and stomp on it.  I don't know if that would kill it, but it's better than grabbing at your throat like an idiot.

Speaking of Yo-Yo, why do they keep forgetting that she's super-fast?  There are zombies after you.  In the space of a single heartbeat, she could (1) run back to them, (2) punch them each in the face really hard with her robo-hands, (3) run back to where she was.  Repeat as necessary.  We know she can do this because we've seen her do it, multiple times.

Other than that, it was a hell of a ride.  I liked it.  Yeah, a few things that could've been done better, but overall it was quite good IMO.  Lots of fun, and set things up for next season very nicely.  "We had time."  That's gonna be interesting.

Yeah, I don't really care about the Chronicoms any more, but apparently they're the Big Bad Guys next season?  Who knows?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 08, 2019, 12:08:44 PM
The finale was OK, but I really enjoyed the season as a whole.  It was completely different and pretty batshit at times, which this show needed.

Looking forward to the final season.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 08, 2019, 12:38:27 PM
Oh yeah, the scene with Deke and his secret laboratory was hilarious.  No, it didn't make any sense, but I loved that he was developing stuff there with his crew of sycophants and was proudly showing it off while Fitz is whining about how it's all "stolen tech".  He introduces Fitz and Simmons as these people who "identify as my grandparents... just go with it, okay?"  Then he jumps out, Fitz and Simmons still aren't sure what just happened, and everyone else applauds and are like "He's so cool!"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on August 09, 2019, 06:51:36 PM
Bought the extended edition of Endgame...7+ hours of material  :lol :lol


Thinking of thoroughly wasting a day doing both movies back to back.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 09, 2019, 08:34:29 PM
Bought the extended edition of Endgame...7+ hours of material  :lol :lol


Thinking of thoroughly wasting a day doing both movies back to back.

Link to where you bough it?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on August 09, 2019, 10:04:05 PM
Bought the extended edition of Endgame...7+ hours of material  :lol :lol


Thinking of thoroughly wasting a day doing both movies back to back.

Link to where you bough it?

Amazon
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 10, 2019, 09:19:16 AM
Bought the extended edition of Endgame...7+ hours of material  :lol :lol


Thinking of thoroughly wasting a day doing both movies back to back.

Link to where you bough it?

Amazon

don't see it as extended
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 10, 2019, 09:20:31 AM
Things generally become.....extended....in Lonestar’s presence.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on August 10, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
don't see it as extended

I think he was joking.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on August 10, 2019, 09:50:00 AM
Things generally become.....extended....in Lonestar’s presence.

 :heart



It's not a longer movie, but has 4 hours of extra material, deleted scenes, bloopers, and a full run through of the movie with the Russo's narrating. Sorry for misleading you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 11, 2019, 10:52:49 AM
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Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 14, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
With a bit of distance now from Endgame (and it coming out now on home release), what do you guys think of Thor's total character arc up to this point?  Specifically, what do you think of where he was in Endgame?

I ask this question because of a video I saw yesterday where the vlogger was arguing that Marvel completely mishandled the end of his arc by "playing him for laughs" rather than handling his mental state with compassion.  The point was that he was suffering from depression, likely PTSD, and possibly other mental disorders, and that "playing him for laughs" is completely inconsistent with how incredibly Marvel had handled mental disorder as a major theme up to that point (see Tony's PTSD, for example). 

I disagree with that take.  I think that "playing him for laughs" kind of misses the point and makes comedy vs. compassion a false dichotomy.  I think they can both be present.  And in Thor's arc, they both were, and were handled well, IMO.  I think the fact that his mental state was handled completely differently than Tony's is, rather than being an inconsistency, a great way of showing how completely differently people can be impacted by similar events.  I also think that the way Rocket was all business and had no idea how to handle Thor with any sort of compassion (slapping him and telling him to just "snap out of it") was also a very real-world response.  Yeah, he had no idea how he should have helped Thor and the mission at that point in time.  And that's kind of the point--most people don't.  He shouldn't have any idea how to appropriately respond to an Asgardian's severe emotional trauma.  And he didn't. 

Overall, I thought Thor's arc was pretty satisfying.  There were times when he was really hard to relate to.  And yet, by the end of it all, he was easily one of the more relatable characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on August 14, 2019, 06:50:03 PM
I think what they did with Thor was appropriate for the character.

Thor has been know to be an egotistic drinker. He always finds a way to win his battles and if you see him through out the movies he’s in, he humbles down a little as time goes on. However in the last 2 movies we saw him before endgame, his father died, his weapon got destroyed, his home got destroyed, half of his people got killed and then half the universe died and he had a chances to stop that.

He did not know what to do with himself after losing the way he did. I think it’s fitting he just turned to beer and food and let himself go. And Yes there was comedy in it but I think it was tasteful and not offensive.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on August 14, 2019, 07:52:47 PM
There were maybe one or two jokes at his expense that were maybe a little too much, but I thought they mostly handled it well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 14, 2019, 09:23:29 PM
I think what they did with Thor was appropriate for the character.

Thor has been know to be an egotistic drinker. He always finds a way to win his battles and if you see him through out the movies he’s in, he humbles down a little as time goes on. However in the last 2 movies we saw him before endgame, his father died, his weapon got destroyed, his home got destroyed, half of his people got killed and then half the universe died and he had a chances to stop that.

He did not know what to do with himself after losing the way he did. I think it’s fitting he just turned to beer and food and let himself go. And Yes there was comedy in it but I think it was tasteful and not offensive.

He also found out his father hid the truth about Hela, lost an eye and Thanos killed his brother. That's A LOT to take in.

I think they handled his crisis quite well, but I don't like the future direction they're taking with the Thor franchise, as supposedly Jane Foster is going to become the "new" Thor, and now Valkyrie is the "queen" of Asgard, as opposed to Thor being the ruler, now that Odin is gone (it's that way in the comics). I feel like they got to the perfect version of Thor when he "came back" to fight Thanos at the end of Endgame, only to throw that away and make him go with the Guardians, which will be really fun, of course, but I feel like they'll steal the thunder (pun definitely intended) from each other. And all of this reminds me how I'm not too excited about Marvel Phase 4 in general :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 15, 2019, 08:13:38 AM
Yeah, I think him losing Loki would actually be a much bigger deal than it might seem on the surface as well.  It's been pretty clear since the beginning that, despite all the really bad stuff Loki has done, Thor still loves him and has, often to his own detriment, looked for the good in Loki.  And at least as far as appearances go, it certainly looked like Loki had tried to do the right thing when he sacrificed himself at the beginning of Endgame.  Losing Loki for good (or so it appears) would have been major, on top of all the already-bad stuff.

And all of this reminds me how I'm not too excited about Marvel Phase 4 in general :-\

You know, I keep going through this cycle where I feel the same way.  And then I am inevitably reminded of a few moments in the MCU where I felt that way in the past, only to be blown away by what they did.  Guardians of the Galaxy?  Eesh.  What a misstep.  How could they possibly recover from such a bad idea?  Oh, wait, this is AWESOME!  Probably the biggest surprise in the MCU so far.  I don't think ANY fan really wanted the movie to be made.  And it ended up being one of their best.  Doctor Strange?  No interest.  Yeah, I know he's a fan favorite.  But I'm only speaking for myself.  Ended up being awesome.  Black Panther?  Same.  Even after his appearance in Civil War.  And while not "awesome," it ended up being pretty good too.  They have had some missteps along the way.  But as a whole, they've kept it interesting quite a few times when I thought they had gone off the rails in a direction I had no interest in.

On an unrelated side note, I thought of something last night, and wanted to get it in writing before I forget just in case it ends up being true.  I can't help but wonder whether in the Eternals movie, we will either see of have an allusion to Thanos being born.  Since his parents were eternals in the comics, a tie-in would not surprise me. 

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 15, 2019, 08:17:54 AM
Bosk, that's an awesome idea. I would love to see them do that, to show that phases 1-3 aren't totally forgotten in the future, and that it all still has some connective tissue.

Now that phase 3 is officially done, I'm feeling a bit of Marvel fatigue, but only because we just wrapped up 10 years of anticipation and speculation. I'm taking a breather from all things Marvel until next year and by then hopefully my hype levels will be recharged, 'cause I'm still really excited for phase 4 (specifically Dr. Strange) - but it's still a long ways off.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on August 15, 2019, 10:03:54 AM
What I love is that some people are actually surprised and offended that they didn't just immediately reintroduce a new Avengers team or announce one in Phase 4. All the while I'm thinking..."You DO realize this was years upon years upon years in the making...right...? No? Okay".

I am much happier with the announcement that there's no mention of any Avengers this phase and the fact that they call Phase 4 a kind of "new beginnings/introductions" is fantastic and is proof that they really do care about how they develop these characters. Before they basically cash in on a massive team up movie with a big bad.

I know almost nothing about the upcoming movie's characters barring the ones already introduced but that has me more intrigued.

@Bosk
We just see Thanos as a baby and his first word is "inevitable".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 15, 2019, 10:34:52 AM
I am much happier with the announcement that there's no mention of any Avengers this phase and the fact that they call Phase 4 a kind of "new beginnings/introductions" is fantastic and is proof that they really do care about how they develop these characters. Before they basically cash in on a massive team up movie with a big bad.

Yeah.  From the upcoming release schedule, it kinda feels like they are just going to let the effects of phase 3 just sit for awhile, which I think is great.  Just leave it alone and don't worry about moving forward.  Endgame was such a huge climax, and FFH was a great epilogue.  It looks like the next two films are completely leaving that story alone altogether, since Black Widow is a straight up prequel and the Eternals is supposed to take place thousands of years in the past. 

It isn't until 2021 that it looks like we will start to pick up the present-day MCU and the storylines we are more familiar with until next year.  And even then, it doesn't appear that we are just diving right in and picking up where things left off.  Shang-Chi will probably lightly touch on recent MCU events.  But there's no reason it needs to tackle anything head-on.  I think with the Ten Rings and the potential magic end of that, it is going to dove-tail more with Dr. Strange's side of the MCU, which will tie in with the 2021 Dr. Strange film.  And then I think Thor will start to gradually bring things back toward the end of that phase.

Again, I think leaving the recent events be is appropriate and feels right.  And even aside from the emotional weight of the phase 1-3 arc, I think it's smart for other practical reasons as well.  I mean, they have a 5-year time gap to account for now.  They also have other weird loose ends.  Just letting all that sit for awhile kind of allows them to sidestep a lot of that and not have to deal with it, rather than trying to tackle it and going farther down the rabbit hole of dealing with the time gap, reintegrating all the people who disappeared and are now back, etc.  If we just pick up a couple of years down the road, not as big a deal.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on August 15, 2019, 11:08:07 AM
Right, there's going to have to be probably an entire movie and/or an entire arc of a movie dedicated to explaining how things are now, how things progressed and how we rebuilt knowing that there's forces in the universe that can literally wipe the human race out. Going forward, that'll be the status quo and that's not an easy thing to establish in a franchise.

It's a bit easier to establish if you then kind of backtrack and say "Hey, well you've got the Avengers that were hard at work and maybe failed here and there, but now we have THESE GUYS".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 15, 2019, 11:20:42 AM
Right, there's going to have to be probably an entire movie and/or an entire arc of a movie dedicated to explaining how things are now, how things progressed and how we rebuilt knowing that there's forces in the universe that can literally wipe the human race out.

I actually don't think the films will do that.  I mean, yeah, it'll always be there as a sub-theme, I think.  But I'm guessing they will handle the heavy lifting of that in the TV shows they've got planned.  I think it's easier to deal with in that format.  And with Falcon/Winter Soldier, WandaVision, and Hawkeye each scheduled to have an entire series, I think they've got plenty of room for that. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: TioJorge on August 15, 2019, 01:05:59 PM
That makes sense too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 16, 2019, 04:46:32 PM
With a bit of distance now from Endgame (and it coming out now on home release), what do you guys think of Thor's total character arc up to this point?  Specifically, what do you think of where he was in Endgame?

I ask this question because of a video I saw yesterday where the vlogger was arguing that Marvel completely mishandled the end of his arc by "playing him for laughs" rather than handling his mental state with compassion.  The point was that he was suffering from depression, likely PTSD, and possibly other mental disorders, and that "playing him for laughs" is completely inconsistent with how incredibly Marvel had handled mental disorder as a major theme up to that point (see Tony's PTSD, for example). 

I disagree with that take.  I think that "playing him for laughs" kind of misses the point and makes comedy vs. compassion a false dichotomy.  I think they can both be present.  And in Thor's arc, they both were, and were handled well, IMO.  I think the fact that his mental state was handled completely differently than Tony's is, rather than being an inconsistency, a great way of showing how completely differently people can be impacted by similar events.  I also think that the way Rocket was all business and had no idea how to handle Thor with any sort of compassion (slapping him and telling him to just "snap out of it") was also a very real-world response.  Yeah, he had no idea how he should have helped Thor and the mission at that point in time.  And that's kind of the point--most people don't.  He shouldn't have any idea how to appropriately respond to an Asgardian's severe emotional trauma.  And he didn't. 

Overall, I thought Thor's arc was pretty satisfying.  There were times when he was really hard to relate to.  And yet, by the end of it all, he was easily one of the more relatable characters.


I agree with your assessment.  Thor's story was pretty tragic, but with some moments of levity (and triumph).  I think some people just find "fat people" to be inherently funny, which is kind f*cked up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 16, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
It's partly that ("fat people are funny") but also that this is Thor specifically.  Literally a god by some definitions, when you mention his name you get this image of 100% physical perfection, a really awesome guy.  Seeing him in such a state was a huge contrast to those expectations, an unparalleled fall from grace, and for many people, the default is to laugh.  The root of humor is deviation from expectations.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on August 17, 2019, 11:07:40 PM
The one thing I'd like to touch on (which is related to this topic) is that the MCU succeeded 100% in capturing the spirit of comic book story telling.

I'm watching Endgame right now, and as Thor is referencing how Jane "stuck her hand" into the ether and...yada yada yada.  I can almost see myself reading a comic book and seeing an asterisk beside Thor's quote that says "See Thor #113".    Anyone remember when comics used to do that?
 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2019, 04:37:52 AM
Absolutely.  They still do
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on August 19, 2019, 06:49:55 AM
I finally saw Endgame over the weekend.  I had read the plot/spoilers the day the movie came out, but that didn't affect my enjoyment of the movie one bit.  The scope of the film is just absolutely massive and it didn't even feel like 3 hours went by as I watched it.  I definitely need to watch it a few more times, but that is just a perfect culmination of the Marvel films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on August 20, 2019, 02:35:01 PM
What in the actual fuck?

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/20/breaking-spider-man-out-of-the-mcu-marvel-sony-cant-reach-deal

Spider man is no longer going to be a part of the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 20, 2019, 02:41:48 PM
What in the actual fuck?

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/20/breaking-spider-man-out-of-the-mcu-marvel-sony-cant-reach-deal

Spider man is no longer going to be a part of the MCU.

WTF

As if I didn't already hate Sony enough. I'm livid. Spidey is by far my favorite superhero and they finally had done him justice.

Now Sony's going to neuter him again and make Tom Holland look bad. I will bet you lunch they have not learned a single lesson.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 20, 2019, 02:46:46 PM
Interesting (and disappointing).  If they cannot work this out, I wonder whether future Sony Spiderman efforts will suffer from lack of connective tissue to the greater MCU, since Marvel will certainly not let them use any of their properties (Nick Fury, references to Stark, etc., Happy, etc.) in any future Spidey films. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 20, 2019, 03:16:07 PM
New reboot coming in 3...2...1...  :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 20, 2019, 03:30:49 PM
New reboot coming in 3...2...1...  :'(

Tom Holland and Jon Watts (FFH director) are apparently still on for two more movies. Literally the only half-good thing I can take away from this is Tom Holland now potentially appearing in the Carnage flick, which, even though it's Sony, I've been waiting for for a very very long time, and having Spider-man in it is exactly what I've wanted since I saw the teaser at the end of Venom.

But it's Sony, so it's going to suck and take a steaming heavy piss all over Spider-man once again, because that's what Sony does.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2019, 03:33:39 PM
I guess this happens when spider-man hits over a billion.

Honestly, I kinda fault Disney here. From what I read, they wanted more money for it and Sony said no. Disney was in no position to make that deal after the last two Spider-Man films, into the spider-verse, and Venom. All very well performing even if Venom mostly sucked.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 20, 2019, 03:36:11 PM
I guess this happens when spider-man hits over a billion.

Honestly, I kinda fault Disney here. From what I read, they wanted more money for it and Sony said no. Disney was in no position to make that deal after the last two Spider-Man films, into the spider-verse, and Venom. All very well performing even if Venom mostly sucked.

Both of them got greedy; Disney definitely got greedy, but Sony didn't even come back with another offer. I'm really hoping they come back and fix this soon, they are better off when they work together if Sony is never going to relinquish the rights. Literally nobody wins here, and it hurts the MCU in the long run. And Spidey, because Tom Holland can't even reference much of anything he's gone through or the people he's gotten close to as long as he's with Sony. Nobody comes out better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 20, 2019, 03:52:33 PM
I guess this happens when spider-man hits over a billion.

Honestly, I kinda fault Disney here. From what I read, they wanted more money for it and Sony said no. Disney was in no position to make that deal after the last two Spider-Man films, into the spider-verse, and Venom. All very well performing even if Venom mostly sucked.
They wanted more risk as well, as they wanted to co-finance.  And Disney was very much in a position to ask for this, as they were directly responsible for the biggest money-maker in Sony history.

This is foolish on Sony's part.  Spider-Man will most likely devolve into irrelevance, as they have shown they don't know how to do a film series.  Kevin Feige brought cohesion to the Spider-Man film world.  They will not know what the hell to do on their own.  They have shown that already.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on August 20, 2019, 04:16:18 PM
I am quite pissed about this to be honest. Man do I have little faith in Sony pulling off a good live action Spidey film. Their track record is two horrid films, one very bad one and two film that have some iconic moments but have also aged now that we have so many solid to great superhero film (and Toby is just plain boring in my opinion). The only reason Spidey is relevant again is Disney. And this way MCU is fucked over as well, which is by a very far margin the best superhero entertainment franchise ever for me personally (as a collective work).

Also, I don't know how the game deals worked and what kind of contracts were used, but I sure as hell hope Disney doesn't fuck over the Sony game division.

Dammit. Also not sure if you want to take on Disney at this point, especially since they own Spidey's presence outside of film. So that could go the X-men route, which means no games, no cartoons, no merch, no toys etc. Which happened in case of the X-men (and Fantastic Four). And they have several billion+ films per year which they can slot near your film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2019, 05:05:48 PM
I guess this happens when spider-man hits over a billion.

Honestly, I kinda fault Disney here. From what I read, they wanted more money for it and Sony said no. Disney was in no position to make that deal after the last two Spider-Man films, into the spider-verse, and Venom. All very well performing even if Venom mostly sucked.
They wanted more risk as well, as they wanted to co-finance.  And Disney was very much in a position to ask for this, as they were directly responsible for the biggest money-maker in Sony history.

This is foolish on Sony's part.  Spider-Man will most likely devolve into irrelevance, as they have shown they don't know how to do a film series.  Kevin Feige brought cohesion to the Spider-Man film world.  They will not know what the hell to do on their own.  They have shown that already.

Hef, you know I'd rather cut off Stadler's arm than disagree with you, but I got to here a bit.

Disney essentially showed Sony how to make a great Spider-Man movie. They also (at least helped) secure good writers, a director, a brilliant cast, etc. At this point Sony just has to let the machine run itself. You know?

And risk? Come on. There's no risk here. MCU Spider-Man isn't going to fail by any stretch.

Right now Sony has the rights, the strategy from Disney, the cast, the writers, the director, etc. I'm sure they feel they can do just fine without Disney taking 5%, though they were apparently happy to offer them that continuing.

Let's also not forget that Sony did Into the Spider-Verse by themselves. Oscar winning film.

I didn't like Venom at all but it did VERY well.

I feel like Sony feels confident, and rightfully so.

There's two major issues, but they're all artistic, which these business people don't care about.
1) Spider-Man can no longer reference almost anything from the last two movies, plus he loses a lot of his tech and his..you know...entire motivation that the MCU gave him.
2) MCU can no longer reference Spider-Man. That's going to be weird, but oddly enough easier for the MCU to pull off than Sony.

I am NOT happy and really hope one of two things happens, 1) They figure out a deal and stop being selfish dicks, or 2) Disney just outright buys Spider-Man, but I don't see that happening any time until the franchise dies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 20, 2019, 05:46:28 PM
Adami, other than the part about Into the Spider-Verse doing well and Venom doing fairly well (let's not kid ourselves about how well it did), I'm not sure how your post contradicts what Hef said.  Most of your points seem to bolster Disney's position and erode Sony's.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 20, 2019, 05:51:33 PM
Adami, other than the part about Into the Spider-Verse doing well and Venom doing fairly well (let's not kid ourselves about how well it did), I'm not sure how your post contradicts what Hef said.  Most of your points seem to bolster Disney's position and erode Sony's.

Did I write my post incorrectly? Disney showed Sony the formula. Sony now has it. Sony doesn't need Disney. Or at least that's how they think. We'll see if it's true.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 20, 2019, 05:57:54 PM
Just kind of screaming at clouds here: Sony has PROVEN they can't do Spider-man right. I have absolutely no faith in them to put out something that will do Spidey justice. Marvel hit home run after home run with the character. They did it right on their first try. Even if they pull it off, so what? I want Spider-man in the MCU. Not in Sony's bullshit make-believe "universe" that they want to ape from Marvel so badly. Spidey with Venom and Carnage is NOT worth Marvel losing him.

Yeah... I'm definitely with ErHaO on this, super pissed about it all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 20, 2019, 06:24:52 PM
What Kattelox said.

And sadly, this is just about money, nothing else.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 20, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
I've heard some people speculating that this is just a negotiation tactic, and that Disney and Sony will work something out eventually since both are benefiting from their deal. I don't know enough about this kind of stuff to say whether that's plausible or not, but I hope it is, and we get a repeat of the James Gunn decision.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on August 20, 2019, 08:20:15 PM
What in the actual fuck?

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/20/breaking-spider-man-out-of-the-mcu-marvel-sony-cant-reach-deal

Spider man is no longer going to be a part of the MCU.

WTF

As if I didn't already hate Sony enough. I'm livid. Spidey is by far my favorite superhero and they finally had done him justice.

Now Sony's going to neuter him again and make Tom Holland look bad. I will bet you lunch they have not learned a single lesson.

For those who haven't checked....click it again.   The information in the article has been updated.   It does seem that the announcement of "NO MORE SPIDEY IN MCU" was premature.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on August 20, 2019, 08:26:58 PM
I think there's a 90% chance a deal gets worked out. Both sides will suffer if they don't. This is all just a negotiation tactic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Polarbear on August 21, 2019, 12:38:39 AM
I think there's a 90% chance a deal gets worked out. Both sides will suffer if they don't. This is all just a negotiation tactic.

Sony put out a official statement regarding the MCU split.

It's official, the partnership is over. They are planning a Venom/Spiderman crossover now.

It's disappointing, but imo not surprising.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 21, 2019, 02:08:45 AM
Kind of a bummer if they don't reach an agreement, Disney is definitely getting more greedy and I would fault them more than Sony in all of this.

That said, the best Spider-Man movies we've gotten have been all Sony (the Raimi ones and I would even say Into the Spidey-Verse) so I don't think it has to be all doom and gloom. I think Sony has enough of a blueprint with Homecoming and FFH to see what worked before and make a third movie that continues in that spirit. Biggest "issue" is they can't shove in MCU characters for cameos or side roles so they have to stick to what they have. It's a shame with how they set up Venom though that they already botched the Venom origins and how he's tied to Spider-Man so even though they could have Spider-Man going up against Venom or Carnage you wouldn't have that backstory which has the depth.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on August 21, 2019, 03:04:53 AM
I assume every link to Iron Man and the Avengers is off limits, it will be a legal mess. Not just references (of which there are a looot, even his suit is Stark), but characters like Fury and Happy. Like, his entire background motivation and now closest father figure (Happy) are presumably off limits. And even the slightest reference will likely get them a lawsuit. At least, I don't think Disney will let this fare easily and they have the rights to a lot of MCU elements for themselves.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MirrorMask on August 21, 2019, 03:16:38 AM
Is there a fictional character whose on screen story is more plagued with issues than Spiderman? this franchise can never take a break it seems...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 21, 2019, 04:44:43 AM
I assume every link to Iron Man and the Avengers is off limits, it will be a legal mess. Not just references (of which there are a looot, even his suit is Stark), but characters like Fury and Happy. Like, his entire background motivation and now closest father figure (Happy) are presumably off limits. And even the slightest reference will likely get them a lawsuit. At least, I don't think Disney will let this fare easily and they have the rights to a lot of MCU elements for themselves.

You're right though personally I think the whole thing with him having a technological suit made by Iron Man is one of the worst parts about MCU-Spidey. So personally I would welcome a movie where it's "back to basics".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 05:59:24 AM
I would welcome that too.

If they weren't already in the middle of a new Spiderman story arc.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on August 21, 2019, 06:24:55 AM
I think there's a 90% chance a deal gets worked out. Both sides will suffer if they don't. This is all just a negotiation tactic.

Sony put out a official statement regarding the MCU split.

It's official, the partnership is over. They are planning a Venom/Spiderman crossover now.

It's disappointing, but imo not surprising.
I stand by my statement. I think they'll work out a deal.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 21, 2019, 07:08:00 AM
Just kind of screaming at clouds here: Sony has PROVEN they can't do Spider-man right. I have absolutely no faith in them to put out something that will do Spidey justice. Marvel hit home run after home run with the character. They did it right on their first try. Even if they pull it off, so what? I want Spider-man in the MCU. Not in Sony's bullshit make-believe "universe" that they want to ape from Marvel so badly. Spidey with Venom and Carnage is NOT worth Marvel losing him.

Yeah... I'm definitely with ErHaO on this, super pissed about it all.

IMO, the difference is that Marvel puts fan-service first, and that has followed with the revenue/profits - VERY handsomely.  Sony on the other hand has zero fuck's to give about fan service, and treat their franchises solely as a business.  To that end, who cares if the films blow, as long as they are profitable (see Venom as the most recent example).  I'm with Adami, Sony thinks they have the formula to perform better than the Garfield franchised movies.  They don't give a shit if the actual movies are as good as HC or FFH.  So long as they are as (or more) profitable, that's the business.

It blows for the fans, but as someone said in the comments of the IGN article, the reason that Sony is ditching Disney is because dumb-fuckers went out and paid to see Venom.  If Venom's box office sucked like the movie (supposedly - I haven't seen it) did, then this might be different.  Disney is getting greedy though to ask for 50/50 split.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 07:23:56 AM
That's exactly why I'm so mad at Sony. They don't give a rat's ass that the fans (mostly) look down on the Sony Spiderman films, because like you said, they just care about money (which is ironic because if they really did they would actually try to do Spider-man justice the way Marvel did with such love and care).

And hey now, I paid to see Venom  :lol Venom is an awesome character, and he looked great in the trailer (imo) so I went and saw it. Now yes, that movie did, in fact, suck balls, but Venom himself? Pretty cool, visually impressive, fearsome to watch in combat, the voice and personality was spot on, his interactions with Eddie were entertaining, but literally everything else about the movie sucked. I had NO idea it made anywhere close to as much money as it did, though. That's crazy.

Also Carnage is pretty much my favorite Spider-man villain next to Venom so I'm all-in on the sequel whether it sucks or not. Been waiting too long for Carnage to say no to it.

Also also, Into the Spider-verse was a massive success for Sony, I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. I just watched that a month or so ago and could not believe how good it was. But that wasn't a live-action Spider-man, with which Sony has a bad track record - and I'm a FAN of the Amazing Spider-man movies. They just pale compared to Marvel's movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 21, 2019, 08:32:37 AM
I think the Raimi movies are by far the best live action version of Spider-Man on the big screen. The MCU ones have been solid and definitely a big improvement over the trash pile that was The Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2, but in reality Sony hasn't been doing THAT bad. It was similar with Fox for many years, things like "they never made a good X-Men movie" yet Logan, Days of Future Past and X2 were all great. Disney are definitely getting greedy and while a 50/50 split might sound fair to some people, it's still Sony's property. There's probably some blame to be put on both parties but personally I can't say I fault Sony for not giving away 50% of what they own. They're definitely capable of making good Spider-Man movies and have shown so, the only issue is that the current Spider-Man is a part of the MCU and there would be issues to branch off.

Then again I'd rather see them keep this version going than giving us yet ANOTHER reboot of the character in 2 years or whatever.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 21, 2019, 08:51:23 AM
TBH,

I have no interest in Spiderman outside of the MCU. Into The Spiderverse was well done, loved the animation, but I didn't give a damn about the story as it didn't tie into a bigger story I'm following.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on August 21, 2019, 10:04:44 AM
I think the Raimi movies are by far the best live action version of Spider-Man on the big screen. The MCU ones have been solid and definitely a big improvement over the trash pile that was The Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2, but in reality Sony hasn't been doing THAT bad. It was similar with Fox for many years, things like "they never made a good X-Men movie" yet Logan, Days of Future Past and X2 were all great. Disney are definitely getting greedy and while a 50/50 split might sound fair to some people, it's still Sony's property. There's probably some blame to be put on both parties but personally I can't say I fault Sony for not giving away 50% of what they own. They're definitely capable of making good Spider-Man movies and have shown so, the only issue is that the current Spider-Man is a part of the MCU and there would be issues to branch off.

Then again I'd rather see them keep this version going than giving us yet ANOTHER reboot of the character in 2 years or whatever.  :lol

I grew up with Raimi Spidey and loved them, but after recently rewatching them about 10 years since I last saw them, I think only 2 is still great (1 is pretty good) and even that one is upper-middle ground MCU in comparison, namely because I just think Toby isn't nearly as great as a lead as most of the current Marvel superheroes and the character arcs are what makes a lot of these films great and relatable. That said, there is still a lot to love and like (even in 3) but keep in mind 2 was 15 years ago and Sony has fucked over many non-Spidey franchises during these 15 years. And in terms of live action Spider-Man stuff, Venom is a heap of trash.

I think Fox was vastly superior over Sony in terms of non-MCU films. I really love 2, First Class, Days of the Future Past and Logan. And some of the others were fairly solid too.

For the first time since god knows how long I am actually really invested in a Spidey story and this happens, it sucks. Because there will be a whole lot of retconning/ignoring major plotlines in the Sony only film.

Don't get me wrong, it is not like I think Disney is some good guy saving my favourite properties, they want money, as is their purpose, and it is probably their fault that this deal crashed. Sony has the rights, obviously. But that doesn't mean I can't fucking hate this happened.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 10:22:32 AM
Also, to Chad's earlier point about Venom: Venom barely made 200 million in North America. Over $640 million was made in other territories. So if anything, blame the Chinese :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: kaos2900 on August 21, 2019, 11:11:37 AM
I'm disappointed BUT i won't be surprised if something gets worked out. Either way this is a way bigger loss for Sony than the MCU. Spider-Man played his purpose in the infinity saga. He's less crucial going forward.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on August 21, 2019, 01:30:24 PM
There's probably some blame to be put on both parties but personally I can't say I fault Sony for not giving away 50% of what they own.
In fairness Disney was willing to pony up 50% of the cost of making the movie too. They're willing to shoulder half the risk and get half the reward. But I can understand why Sony isn't up for that.

The only reason I see Disney not wanting to repeat the previous agreement (Disney gets the profits from Spider-man in other MCU movies, Sony gets profit from standalone Spider-man movies) is that Disney has no immediate plans for Spider-man to be in any crossover movies. No Avengers movies are on the horizon so Disney has no way to capitalize on the character.

This is a big risk for both sides, but I think it's a bigger risk for Sony. I still think a deal gets done, but I could see Sony doing a Spider-man/Venom crossover outside of the MCU before Spidey rejoins the MCU in another deal. I know studios don't give a crap about continuity and story lines as long as they're making money, but it makes no sense for Sony or for the MCU to have Spider-man outside of the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 21, 2019, 02:40:15 PM

The only reason I see Disney not wanting to repeat the previous agreement (Disney gets the profits from Spider-man in other MCU movies, Sony gets profit from standalone Spider-man movies) is that Disney has no immediate plans for Spider-man to be in any crossover movies. No Avengers movies are on the horizon so Disney has no way to capitalize on the character.

That's a great point.  I hadn't considered this.  Fiege has no need for Spidey in any other MCU movies (other than perhaps cameo opportunities) ... certainly none require him in Phase 4.  They did just fine without Spidey up until Civil War, they'll be fine without him going forward.

And Sony will have to re-boot for a 3rd time.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 21, 2019, 02:45:09 PM
Respectfully, I think that's underselling Spidey a bit. They built him to be Stark's legacy, and I kind of saw him as the lynchpin to the post-Infinity Saga MCU because of that. His character would have a massive reason to partake (or even lead) in the next group of superheroes, in whatever form they might take. I don't know how they do that without Spider-man. Nobody wins here, except Sony, I guess, since they don't care about what the fans love about Spidey  :(

Feels bad man.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 21, 2019, 04:33:31 PM
Apparently Marvel went as low as 30%.

I wonder if Sony was willing to budge from the 5% thing at all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2019, 02:18:08 AM
The deal they had was already beneficial for both and it was a good deal for both (otherwise Disney hadn't been so keen on taking it in the first place). Coming in with a demand that you want 10 times what you just got is insanely greedy and Sony not taking it isn't Sony being bad guys, if the roles were reversed Disney would have laughed at it. Imagine yourself going to work and you tell your boss that you want 10 times what you're making now, you're not gonna get that.

People seem to focus a lot on the 5% which sounds really low but what you're not taking into consideration are other factors like merchandise rights, production cost and the fact that Sony's universe and Marvel's universe feed into each other and both do better. Again, Disney wouldn't have taken the deal in the first place if it wasn't a good deal for them. As for "Sony's not willing to negotiate", i think when someone comes in with an offer so shockingly bad it can result in the other party walking away.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 22, 2019, 09:22:37 AM
The only reason that Spidey is "great" again is because of the connection to the MCU.  Otherwise, Sony has no idea how to handle the character.

Can they make a good film with Holland and Watts?  Yeah, I guess, but without that grounding in a larger universe, it will remain hollow and inferior to Homecoming and Far From Home.  And you can forget the next one hitting the billion dollar mark.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on August 22, 2019, 09:55:51 AM
I've liked both Spider-man films but the only reason I caught Far From Home in the cinema was because it's part of the MCU. If future ones aren't, I'm extremely unlikely to go see them and would most likely wait to see them on a streaming service.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 22, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
I might see them or I might not.  Hard to say.  But I saw a piece earlier that I thought was laughable where the writer was saying that Sony will be fine because, in his words, the two best Spidey films of all time were not the two that are part of the MCU--Spiderman 2 and Into the Spiderverse.  Personally, while I didn't dislike either of those, I don't find them memorable at all.  Glad I saw them once.  Not desire to see them again.  If that is the best Sony can deliver, I think it's safe to say that they don't have me as a fan.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2019, 01:01:53 PM
I might see them or I might not.  Hard to say.  But I saw a piece earlier that I thought was laughable where the writer was saying that Sony will be fine because, in his words, the two best Spidey films of all time were not the two that are part of the MCU--Spiderman 2 and Into the Spiderverse.  Personally, while I didn't dislike either of those, I don't find them memorable at all.  Glad I saw them once.  Not desire to see them again.  If that is the best Sony can deliver, I think it's safe to say that they don't have me as a fan.

Why is that laughable though? Those 2 are generally considered the best among people.

All in all it kinda sucks we won't get the full version of this Spider-Man arc as part of the MCU. Thanks Disney.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 01:05:12 PM
This got me thinking about all the films so far.

Spider-Man 1: Honestly, I think it's aged well in some ways, if you consider it came out in 2002 and think about the status of hero/comic movies and what this movie did for the genre. Hard to believe it's 17 years old. The costumes have not aged well, though. Goblin's looks Playskool plastic-y and those gray lines on Spidey's suit pop way too hard (accenting the web way too much) and the colors aren't vibrant enough. I also get why Toby Maguire was who they went with - but although I think he was a good starting point, I just don't like him as either Parker or Spidey anymore. I don't hate him, I just think he's... kind of blah.

Spider-Man 2: The best of the original trilogy however it has a few problems, most of which just make it look campy as hell. The scene when Doc wakes up and starts attacking people is cringey. Some of the special effects don't look so hot anymore. But Doc Oc himself is still a joy to watch and the story is my favorite of the originals, and is the most rewatchable despite the flaws.

Spider-Man 3: This starts off promising and quickly descends into a an incomprehensible mess. Did my boy Parker dirty with that entire emo hair, dancing and swaggering thing. And then they did my boy Venoms dirty by coming up with the worst possible approach to his design and shoving him into the movie for no good reason just to have 'more' as if they hadn't already crammed 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag. This movie is so bad.

The Amazing Spider-Man 1: Look, I really like this movie. I thought Andrew Garfield was a fantastic Spider-Man and Peter Parker and still think that. I also love Emma Stone so that helped me enjoy the movie, and Denis Leary as Gwen Stacy's father was, imo, smart casting. He is very believable in that role. However, I dislike Sally Fields as Aunt May, and that whole sequence of the cranes lining up for Spider-Man like it's some sort of video game is so contrived it kind of ruins the climactic energy they're going for. Never did like the Lizard in the comics but they somehow managed to make him menacing - but he's still no Doc Oc or Goblin. Spidey's outfit: better than Toby's, but too dark and too reflective. Also, the Uncle Ben stuff was old even when this came out.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2: Like TASM 1, I like this movie a lot, too. I don't see the problems with Jamie Foxx as Electro that other people seem to do. I think he's a cool villain, and I like the final battle with him even if it feels very video game-y. Green Goblin, I actually enjoyed Dane DeHaan's interpretation of Harry and especially liked the way they approached his transformation into the Goblin with the chemicals. Was it a slam dunk execution? Eh. Maybe not. But I think it's fun to watch and Garfield and Stone's chemistry is so good in this one! Now as for the ending... I've never quite settled on an opinion on it. I think the execution of the clock tower scene is really good and I love the cinematography. But that entire thing was unnecessary. So I don't know. Gwen didn't need to die at all, at least not in the movie immediately after her father died. The Rhino is... hammy. But fun. And I loved the hinting towards Sinister Six at the end, EXCEPT WE DIDN'T GET IT!

Homecoming: Tommy Hollands is. my. shiiiiiiit. The perfect Parker and the perfect Spider-man. The perfect suit, too - everything from the webbing patterns to the vibrancy of the colors and the softness of the material, and the eyes! My god, THE EYES! I cannot shower this suit with enough praise. The cast is great, I love Michael Keaton's take on Vulture. I also appreciate the way they incorporate Spidey into the MCU here and show the fallout of the Battle of New York with the Tinkerer, Shocker, and Vulture scavenging alien wreckage for parts. I'm whatever on Zendaya. The action scenes here are great. It also has the best starting scenes of any Spider-man film.

Far From Home: WHOA. Best Spider-man film yet in my opinion, which only makes the recent Spidey news that much harder to swallow. I need more time, still, before I can be honest with the flaws and reel in the praise a little.

Into the Spider-verse: A colorful, fun romp. Extremely tasty. I like it. I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on August 22, 2019, 01:15:21 PM
Spider-Man 2: The best of the original trilogy however it has a few problems, most of which just make it look campy as hell. The scene when Doc wakes up and starts attacking people is cringey. Some of the special effects don't look so hot anymore. But Doc Oc himself is still a joy to watch and the story is my favorite of the originals, and is the most rewatchable despite the flaws.

The worst scene in this movie for me is when Peter and MJ are at the cafe and Doc Oc. kidnaps MJ. Right before she gets kidnapped they start doing this weird zoom-in for every step Doc takes (you would think it was Godzilla or King Kong coming for them). I laugh the first time I saw it, and I still laugh at it today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Jm9_iR6cg   (It starts at 1:20)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 01:21:11 PM
 :lol I forgot about that! There is some unintentionally hilarious editing in that movie. That also reminds me that I never really thought much of Kirsten Dunst as MJ. She's not terrible or anything, but she's not that good either. She comes off as a very flat and boring interpretation of the character.

Also, that list might not seem to jibe with my earlier comments about Sony not knowing how to handle Spidey, but while most of the films are watchable, there are LOTS of little decisions - from the characters to the writing to the plot to the cinematography - that add up and affect the quality overall. 'Watchable' is just like it's there. They made it. Big gap between that and a movie that does real justice to the character and his superhero alter-ego, to me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2019, 02:13:02 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/22/stan-lees-daughter-sides-with-sony-in-spider-man-spat-with-disney.html

While many fans have rallied behind Disney in the wake of reports that talks had broken down between the company and Sony over future Spider-Man films, at least one person is standing behind Sony — Stan Lee's daughter.

In a statement to TMZ, Joan Lee said Marvel and Disney need to be "checked and balanced" as they seek total control of her father's creations.

"Whether it's Sony or someone else's, the continued evolution of Stan's characters and his legacy deserves multiple points of view," she said.

Lee seemed to support Sony's decision not to accept this new co-financing deal.

"When my father died, no one from Marvel or Disney reached out to me," Lee said. "From day one, they have commoditized my father's work and never shown him or his legacy any respect or decency. In the end, no one could have treated my father worse than Marvel and Disney's executives."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 22, 2019, 02:30:32 PM
Seriously?  Like, what the fuck is her problem?  The vast majority of Marvel fans would say that Stan Lee and his legacy were treated with the utmost respect while he lived, and we haven't seen anything to indicate that that will change now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on August 22, 2019, 02:39:08 PM
 Wasn’t she the one that was under suspicion for elderly abuse just before he passed?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 22, 2019, 02:42:46 PM
@Zantera:  Okay.  But her real beef seems to be with how she believes Disney treated Stan, not how it handled this specific issue.  So I don't know that her feelings really add anything to the discussion.  And, really, it actually comes down to how she believes they treated her, which adds even less.  Not to mention the fact that, at least as far as what was presented to the public, Disney has been incredibly respectful and vocal about Stan Lee's legacy. 

But in any case:

While many fans have rallied behind Disney...

I don't see any point in "rallying behind" either.  Personally, I don't care whose fault it is.  If Disney still had its hands in Spiderman, I would likely see those films multiple times because they have a run of 10 years and 22 films that has been incredibly entertaining and has handled the MCU characters very well.  And they have handled Spidey and related characters very well in the 5 films he has appeared in. 

Spidey without Disney?  Not interested.  And, again, I don't care who is at fault.  As has already been said, in 6 films in 3 separate universes, the BEST result was a "pretty good" film, and 4 decent-to-mediocre ones.  That is their track record.  And as also stated, even if they follow the exact formula of the Disney/MCU Spidey films, it still will be lacking because it won't be part of the MCU (not to mention the fact that it will likely feel too formulaic rather than organically following the formula).  I'll probably (but not for sure) see whatever is released.  But it will probably be a one-time $.99 Redbox rental instead of seeing it in the theater and buying it on BR upon release to watch over and over again.  That isn't to "punish" the side that I am "rallying behind."  I'm just not interested if the quality isn't there, and I have zero hope that it will be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 02:44:17 PM
Wasn’t she the one that was under suspicion for elderly abuse just before he passed?

No - that was his manager.

While I think it's unfortunate she's siding with Sony in this (as if it has any weight), I can understand her saltiness toward Marvel if they didn't reach out to her after her father's death considering Marvel wouldn't be what it is without him. I wouldn't get that upset at her. It's her dad, she's going to feel a little cold about that even if it seems irrational to us.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2019, 02:54:13 PM
Whether she is right or wrong or crazy or sane, as far as i'm concerned siding with Sony is literally the only sane option in this case. You can be salty about the split and sad that it most likely means we wont get to see this version of Spidey play out in the way they originally planned it to (hey I'm also in this group of people) but let's look at it with a neutral point of view. They had a deal that was good for both parties and Disney wants 10 times more. I'm sorry but if you think Sony are the bad guys for not taking that offer then you're crazy. If the roles were reversed Disney would laugh at Sony and throw their people out of their office.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 22, 2019, 02:58:59 PM
I think most people are being neutral.  I don't see too many people labeling "good guys" or "bad guys."  It is what it is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2019, 02:59:17 PM
Whether she is right or wrong or crazy or sane, as far as i'm concerned siding with Sony is literally the only sane option in this case. You can be salty about the split and sad that it most likely means we wont get to see this version of Spidey play out in the way they originally planned it to (hey I'm also in this group of people) but let's look at it with a neutral point of view. They had a deal that was good for both parties and Disney wants 10 times more. I'm sorry but if you think Sony are the bad guys for not taking that offer then you're crazy. If the roles were reversed Disney would laugh at Sony and throw their people out of their office.  :lol

But that isn’t an accurate assessment. Disney wanted to invest as much as well. And it was as low as 30.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 03:03:07 PM
Look, I've already admitted I'm half stupid. I will not cop to being crazy on top of that  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2019, 03:08:51 PM
Whether she is right or wrong or crazy or sane, as far as i'm concerned siding with Sony is literally the only sane option in this case. You can be salty about the split and sad that it most likely means we wont get to see this version of Spidey play out in the way they originally planned it to (hey I'm also in this group of people) but let's look at it with a neutral point of view. They had a deal that was good for both parties and Disney wants 10 times more. I'm sorry but if you think Sony are the bad guys for not taking that offer then you're crazy. If the roles were reversed Disney would laugh at Sony and throw their people out of their office.  :lol

But that isn’t an accurate assessment. Disney wanted to invest as much as well. And it was as low as 30.

I haven't heard anything about 30 but even so that's not low. Marvel were still getting 100% of the licensed stuff (toys, clothing etc). Plus even if they wanted to invest it would only be to take even more control. But in the end it is what it is. You can try a scandalous offer in the hopes that the other party will accept it but there's also the risk they will just say "yeah.. no" and stop doing business with you as well.

In the end it is what it is. I think Sony has done the best Spider-Man movies without Disney's involvement (Raimi trilogy and Spider-Verse) but they've also made the 2 worst ones by far (TASM1 and TASM2) so who knows what will come from all of this? Hopefully they have learned some things from these 2 movies with Disney. Just compare the shockingly lazy and bad fan service of TASM2 with Sinister Six and Felicia Hardy to the smarter and better executed fan service in Homecoming and Far From Home and it's night and day. I think they definitely can make a good follow up to the last 2 movies if they keep the cast, the hardest obstacle to overcome is how to move forward without the integration to the MCU. The suit is basically an Iron Man suit and Tony Stark is essentially this universe's Uncle Ben so to never reference that again would be weird.

 :angel:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 03:09:42 PM
Saying TASM and TASM2 are worse than Spider-Man 3 is like saying Season 5 of Game of Thrones is worse than Season 8
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 22, 2019, 03:17:57 PM
Saying TASM and TASM2 are worse than Spider-Man 3 is like saying Season 5 of Game of Thrones is worse than Season 8

I...am completely lost on that analogy.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 03:20:46 PM
Saying TASM and TASM2 are worse than Spider-Man 3 is like saying Season 5 of Game of Thrones is worse than Season 8

I...am completely lost on that analogy.  :lol

Okay so like, season 5 might have been not so great a moment for Game of Thrones, but it was setting up some really cool stuff to follow, just like TASM1 and 2 were maybe not the highlights of Spidey's live action filmography but TASM2 was leading up to something really cool for a TASM3 and Sinister Six film. Game of Thrones season 8 ended the series with a wet thud, just like Spidey 3 ended the trilogy with a wet thud.

I'm also really bad at analogies so screw it :neverusethis:

I know TASM gets a lot of flack but I can't imagine thinking they're worse than Spidey 3. Just my opinion.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2019, 03:22:12 PM
Saying TASM and TASM2 are worse than Spider-Man 3 is like saying Season 5 of Game of Thrones is worse than Season 8

They definitely are to me. I can't think of anything i liked in either of them except for the costume in TASM2 which was pretty good. TASM1 is definitely a bit more solid in terms of structure though. TASM2 is a catastrophe on pretty much every level. Garfield could have been good though but the writing in the movies is pretty bad and the directing is really lackluster.

As for SM3 it is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I will agree it's not as good as SM1 or SM2 but for me there's a lot of good stuff in the movie, there's also a few scenes that are pretty bad. Peter Parker walking down the street, the scene when he dances at the jazz bar.. so on. Still, Sandman was imo really good (i would say almost on par with Doc Ock), and there's plenty of other things I enjoy in it too. Even lesser-Raimi is still a much better director than Marc Webb and even though I like both MCU movies I would say Jon Watts too. A scene like the birth of sandman in Spider-Man 3 for all its faults is still better and more memorable than anything from the TASM movies. :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 03:24:33 PM
^^ Okay, I'll give you that, the Sandman stuff is actually really cool. I think Spidey 3 just shouldn't have gone with emo Parker and so many villains - if they had just left it at Sandman, and only introduced the symbiote for a potential Spidey 4 I think it would've been way better. But I do like Flint Marko in that film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 22, 2019, 03:38:08 PM
^^ Okay, I'll give you that, the Sandman stuff is actually really cool. I think Spidey 3 just shouldn't have gone with emo Parker and so many villains - if they had just left it at Sandman, and only introduced the symbiote for a potential Spidey 4 I think it would've been way better. But I do like Flint Marko in that film.

I think everything with Sandman was great. Liked his backstory, the music theme and his line "I'm not a bad person, just had bad luck" has really stuck with me. Set aside the silly retcon of him being Uncle Ben's killer, I think the scene at the end when he tells Peter Parker his side of the story and asks for forgiveness is not only the best scene in the movie but one of the best in the whole trilogy. Peter forgiving him is great and the music that goes with the scene makes me a bit teary-eyed actually.

Harry as Goblin 2.0 is a bit of a mixture. I like his arc overall but I agree there are some cheesy scenes with him like the one where he teleports from the cafe, but I still think it's satisfying at the end when he shows up to help Peter in the fight. I haven't gotten a chance to see the director's cut that came out not too long ago but I heard they changed a scene where instead of the butler telling Harry that his dad died by his own glider, Harry decides to forgive Peter and help him by changing his mind instead. IMO that would have been a lot better for the theatrical cut as well.

Venom like you said should have been saved for SM4. I think they easily could have done that, but I don't really hate what we got either. I know people want big buff muscular Eddie Brock but I thought Topher Grace's version was interesting as a bizarro-Peter, basically what Peter would be if he didn't have the "with great power comes great responsibility" with him and he was only out for himself and his own glory. In the story of the movie I think he works well for how he is used, but if you look at it from a bigger comic book perspective I can see why people dislike that the biggest villain of Spidey for maybe a decade in the early 90s was basically reduced to a role more appropriate for Shocker or Rhino.

I guess what I do like with SM3 is that it rounds out the trilogy well and there's certain themes I really appreciate. SM1 is all about becoming a hero and taking on responsibility, SM2 is all about balance and managing to be both Spider-Man AND Peter Parker, and SM3 I find interesting because everything is actually going quite well initially but it kinda gets to his head and he has to go through a lot of dark stuff to come out the other way stronger. I don't mean to ramble on about SM3 but I think there's definitely a lot of great stuff in it, there's just too much stuff in it. :P And yeah there are a few scenes that stands out like i said in earlier post. I like Raimi for taking chances though. For example in SM2 i love the "raindrops keep fallin" scene. It stands out but it's a wonderful scene but then you get the street walk scene in SM3 which also stands out, but it doesn't work.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 03:42:12 PM
No, I don't think you're rambling at all, and I greatly appreciate you telling me what you like about the film. I agree with some of your points a lot, actually. Even though I think Spider-Man 3 is a bad movie, I'll still watch it when I go through the Spider-Man movies because it's still an integral part of the trilogy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2019, 06:34:11 PM
I'll give Sony credit for Spider-Verse, though the people behind that movie won't have anything to do with the new live-action movies, so it doesn't really matter.

I won't give them credit for Spider-Man 1 and 2 (or blame them for 3). Sony isn't a dude. I doubt the people running things now were around back then (though I could be wrong). I'll blame them for ASM 1 and 2 and their plans for the future which everyone hated and it all fell apart.

And by the way, Marvel was willing to give Sony 70% of profits (still putting in 30-50% of financing). 70% of a billion dollars is 700,000,000 dollars, which is about what Sony were making at their Spider-Man peak without Marvel.

So I get Marvel's perspective, but I also get Sony's.

Marvel wants to invest 50% and get 50%. But 50% of production is like 100 million dollars and 50% of profit is 500 million dollars. So I can see Sony not wanting to play that.

Could easily be other deals. 20% maybe and give Sony more money from the other Marvel films that Spider-Man appears in. Etc.

Luckily, the last Spider-Man film JUST came out. So they're not likely to start a new one any time soon. None of Marvel's movies next year have Spider-Man connections, so it gives both companies time to put their dicks away and make a good deal.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 22, 2019, 06:43:52 PM
Don't forget that the last two live action SM movies have been 100% under Marvel's creative control. Marvel Studios basically did all the creative work, the casting, editing, etc. and Sony pretty much just slammed their logo on top of it. Marvel is completely in their right to demand more for *their* work, but Sony has the rights to the character, so it's up to them to decide...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 06:51:18 PM
@Adami:

"I'll blame them for ASM 1 and 2 and their plans for the future which everyone hated and it all fell apart. "

Not true, I even explicitly stated I was greatly anticipating that stuff...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2019, 06:51:56 PM
@Adami:

"I'll blame them for ASM 1 and 2 and their plans for the future which everyone hated and it all fell apart. "

Not true, I even explicitly stated I was greatly anticipating that stuff...

Everyone but kattlelox*
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2019, 07:56:34 PM
Just read that Sony was willing to go to 25%.

If that’s true, Disney is dumb for walking away.

Hoping this is all a form of public negotiation.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
@Adami:

"I'll blame them for ASM 1 and 2 and their plans for the future which everyone hated and it all fell apart. "

Not true, I even explicitly stated I was greatly anticipating that stuff...

Everyone but kattlelox*

Who's that?  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 22, 2019, 08:19:26 PM
Hey now, it’s not my fault you’ve spelling your name wrong this whole time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on August 22, 2019, 08:19:38 PM
Can you moo on Facebook and I'll have your answer? :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 08:23:34 PM
Hey now, it’s not my fault you’ve spelling your name wrong this whole time.

It's not mine either, it's Capcom's :neverusethis:

Can you moo on Facebook and I'll have your answer? :lol

What?  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on August 22, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Kettle = Cattle. 


Dammit man.  Use your funny bone!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 08:32:50 PM
 :facepalm:  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on August 22, 2019, 08:46:52 PM
So no for me bitch! :lol

No incredible piano as a background either!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 22, 2019, 08:53:02 PM
I'm going to bed! :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on August 23, 2019, 06:15:26 AM
I'm thinking both sides let this go public hoping that the MCU and Spidey fans would be overwhelmingly angry with the other side. I think both sides guessed people would be angry with the other. Turns out everyone is basically angry with both sides. I don't think there seems to be a large bias in either direction, maybe slightly leaning in favor of Sony.

Just get the deal done, boys. No one wants a Spider-man out of the MCU. Sony has to be smart enough to realize that they'll earn at least 20% less on the next non-MCU Spider-man movie. Heck, bring Venom and all other villain movies into the MCU too. Or Disney, just offer Sony $20 billion to get the rights to Spider-man back.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on August 23, 2019, 07:19:06 AM
Let's just wait til the next movie under performs or straight up bombs, and then Disney acquired Spider-man in full and picks up where Far From Home left off. Sony won't make another billion without Marvel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on August 23, 2019, 07:20:52 AM
There appears to be rumblings that a deal may have been made.
https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers (https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on August 23, 2019, 07:27:08 AM
There appears to be rumblings that a deal may have been made.
https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers (https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers)

I will wait until its official but I dont think all those points will be part of the deal (if there is one)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 23, 2019, 07:27:32 AM
Don't believe it for a second because of the source. A low-sub count YouTuber with some vague "industry insider" plus Spidey teaming with X-Men *and* Sony incorporating Venom into the MCU? There's just way too much goodness in there to believe. Nice to dream about it though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on August 23, 2019, 07:29:47 AM
There appears to be rumblings that a deal may have been made.
https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers (https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers)
There are far more details there than would seem plausible. But I hope things are moving that direction.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on August 23, 2019, 07:42:03 AM
I think personally they already botched the origins of Venom so at this point why even tie it into Spider-Man? The whole point of the Spider-Man/Venom relationship is that Eddie hates Peter and the symbiote is obsessed with Spider-Man because he rejected it. Sure you can have Spider-Man fighting Venom or running into him anyways but by changing the origins you are removing a key part of the character and what made him interesting. I actually preferred Venom in SM3. Yeah they got the symbiote part nailed down better in Venom and I think Tom Hardy was pretty good but I see it more as an alternative version of the character than the "traditional" one we've had in the comics or the animated tv-shows.

Would be nice to see this current Spider-Man play out though and see where they go with it. Personally I think MCU has messed up a few elements of the character which I don't like, BUT the movies have been fun and the cast is solid and it's also nice to see things go down a different route. While we won't get the Daily Bugle working photographer that I think of when I think about Peter Parker, they are doing some different things so i'll give them that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on August 23, 2019, 08:01:02 AM
I think personally they already botched the origins of Venom so at this point why even tie it into Spider-Man? The whole point of the Spider-Man/Venom relationship is that Eddie hates Peter and the symbiote is obsessed with Spider-Man because he rejected it. Sure you can have Spider-Man fighting Venom or running into him anyways but by changing the origins you are removing a key part of the character and what made him interesting. I actually preferred Venom in SM3. Yeah they got the symbiote part nailed down better in Venom and I think Tom Hardy was pretty good but I see it more as an alternative version of the character than the "traditional" one we've had in the comics or the animated tv-shows.

Would be nice to see this current Spider-Man play out though and see where they go with it. Personally I think MCU has messed up a few elements of the character which I don't like, BUT the movies have been fun and the cast is solid and it's also nice to see things go down a different route. While we won't get the Daily Bugle working photographer that I think of when I think about Peter Parker, they are doing some different things so i'll give them that.

But Spiderman didn't have an origin story in the MCU. He already had his powers the first time he came on screen. They could do something similar with Venom.

Also, I am more worried because I had a feeling it was the plan to link spider man to Doctor Strange Multi-Universe. Let's remember that there was a spider-verse before the movie  ::)

(https://i.imgur.com/fcQUzCl.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on August 23, 2019, 01:45:28 PM
Now an inside source is saying that they’ve agreed to a 7 movie deal that would also bring Venom into the MCU.

https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 23, 2019, 01:47:47 PM
Now an inside source is saying that they’ve agreed to a 7 movie deal that would also bring Venom into the MCU.

https://cosmicbook.news/spider-man-deal-7-movies-avengers

faizoff just posted it earlier, a few above. Looks incredibly unreliable.

Never, ever trust a 'YouTube channel with an inside source.' Anybody can make this up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on August 23, 2019, 02:26:28 PM
Well...then there’s this...

https://cosmicbook.news/tom-holland-spider-man-deal-robert-downey-jr
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2019, 02:53:13 PM
I have no idea if a deal has been reached, but that is not a reliable source.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 23, 2019, 05:46:07 PM
Adami, I've seen you say you're a Moon Knight fan before, right?

https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/d23-marvel-studios-moon-knight-on-disney-announced

Apparently there's going to be a Moon Knight series.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 23, 2019, 07:33:59 PM
Ms Marvel and She Hulk too apparently
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 23, 2019, 07:38:43 PM
Kit Harington joining the MCU too. Role unknown atm. That has me very curious.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 23, 2019, 07:45:50 PM
Adami, I've seen you say you're a Moon Knight fan before, right?

https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/d23-marvel-studios-moon-knight-on-disney-announced

Apparently there's going to be a Moon Knight series.

On Disney plus. Ugh. Moon knight is NOT family friendly. So I’m not too excited.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on August 24, 2019, 03:10:20 PM
Black Panther II announced for May 6, 2022
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 25, 2019, 10:55:11 AM
Based on recent comments from Tom Holland and Kevin Feige, it looks like the deal is done for good.  :-[

Here’s hoping things change in time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 25, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Based on recent comments from Tom Holland and Kevin Feige, it looks like the deal is done for good.  :-[

Here’s hoping things change in time.

*pounds fists on table Jameson-style* I want Spider-Man! Not the fake Spider-Man, the REAL Spider-Man!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 26, 2019, 10:01:21 AM
Based on recent comments from Tom Holland and Kevin Feige, it looks like the deal is done for good.  :-[

Here’s hoping things change in time.
I suspect that due to timing and logistics, the deal with Sony is probably unavoidably off for Spider-Man 3, meaning it will contain no MCU references, but another deal may be back in place before any future Spidey appearance. 

Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 26, 2019, 10:09:46 AM
Based on recent comments from Tom Holland and Kevin Feige, it looks like the deal is done for good.  :-[

Here’s hoping things change in time.
I suspect that due to timing and logistics, the deal with Sony is probably unavoidably off for Spider-Man 3, meaning it will contain no MCU references, but another deal may be back in place before any future Spidey appearance. 

Just a hunch.

Unless Sony decide to screw everything up and do a sort of reboot with the same cast, but changing all the internal environment (crossovers with Venom, etc).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 26, 2019, 02:04:31 PM
They could cross over with Venom without doing that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2019, 09:31:39 AM
Some stray observations about the recent and future MCU films:

-Infinity War:  Released April 2018; takes place ~ 2018
-Ant Man and Wasp:  Released July 2018; takes place ~ 2018
-Captain Marvel:  Released March 2019; takes place 1995
-Endgame:  Released April 2019; takes place - May 2018 and 2023
-Spiderman--Far from Home:  Released July 2019; takes place in 2023
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-Black Widow:  to be released May 2020; prequel
-Eternals:  to be released November 2020; prequel
-Shang-Chi:  to be released February 2021
-Dr. Strange:  to be released May 2021
-Thor:  to be released November 2021

So...Engame and Spiderman were, collectively, a HUGE emotional climax for the 10-year-old MCU.  Obviously.  We don't get another Marvel film at all for 10 months.  And the first two films once we start phase 4 are BOTH prequels.  Pretty smart.  This really gives people sort of an emotional "re-set" on the MCU.  And we have a 5-year time gap to deal with.  But here's the thing:  by the time we get back to a story that is NOT a prequel and actually picks up where the MCU timeline left off, we will be some time in 2021 (depending on when Shang-Chi is set--it wouldn't surprise me if it is set sometime during the 5-yer gap, although I would not be surprised if the timing is intentionally or unintentionally somewhat vague).  Again, smart.  There will then likely be somewhat of a discrepancy between real time and when the stories are taking place.  But by that time, the discrepancy will be a lot smaller, and the audience at large will not notice. 

So I think that the present schedule of movies is actually pretty well-planned from the standpoint of dealing with two of the MCU's biggest challenges as things stand right now at the conclusion of phase 3: (1) MCU fatigue; and (2) the MCU timeline being out of sync with present time.

tl;dnr: Da Mouse ain't no dummy.
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Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2019, 09:37:45 AM
Also, on a related topic, is anyone here NOT going to be a for sure Disney+ subscriber?  Let's look at what is GUARANTEED so far for Disney's two biggest money makers:

MCU
-The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (Fall 2020)
-WandaVision (Spring 2021)
-Loki (Spring 2021)
-What if...?  (Summer 2021)
-Hawkeye (Fall 2021)

Star Wars:
-The Mandalorian (November 2019)
-Obi-Wan (no release date)
-Rogue One prequel (no release date)

Disney is taking our money by the fistful, and we don't even care.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 27, 2019, 09:41:05 AM
The Marvel and Pixar stuff alone is enough to sell me on Disney+ *and* cancel my other streaming services. It's pretty much perfect for me, everything else included is a bonus as far as I'm concerned.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on August 27, 2019, 10:49:00 AM
Interesting observation Bosk. I agree than once we are done with Prequels they will have to do something to match the timeline, if not it will feel disjointed.

Re: Disney +. At first I wasn't sure but seeing all the shows you get plus the option for Disney Channels (ESPN for example, I need my NBA games), It is more than worthy for the price.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 28, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
Evidently if you sign up for a free D23 account you can lock in 3 years of Disney+ for $140 (comes out to less than $4/month).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on August 28, 2019, 09:29:07 AM
Also, on a related topic, is anyone here NOT going to be a for sure Disney+ subscriber?  Let's look at what is GUARANTEED so far for Disney's two biggest money makers:

MCU
-The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (Fall 2020)
-WandaVision (Spring 2021)
-Loki (Spring 2021)
-What if...?  (Summer 2021)
-Hawkeye (Fall 2021)

Star Wars:
-The Mandalorian (November 2019)
-Obi-Wan (no release date)
-Rogue One prequel (no release date)

Disney is taking our money by the fistful, and we don't even care.  :lol
I'm 99% sure I'll get it, if they actually give it to us in the UK. :sadpanda:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 29, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
Official posters for BW and Wandavision

Who is the guy in red on the BW poster:

(https://i.ibb.co/9TDg3Sh/EC10u-E1-U8-AABv-ET.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wWkgrj7)

(https://i.ibb.co/k9kr5TC/EC2-Ti-PCUw-AAB8-Dt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dL13jvY)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2019, 04:05:40 PM
I’m sure Black Widow will be fine. I’m pretty excited Taskmaster. I really hope they do him justice beyond his power set. Cause he’s a weird dude.

I am, very intrigued, however, by Wandavison.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on August 29, 2019, 04:32:13 PM

I am, very intrigued, however, by Wandavison.

Me too, look at their shadows on the wall
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Post by: Zantera on August 29, 2019, 05:02:55 PM
I heard from somewhere that someone at D23 said Wandavision will be the sitcom of the MCU. Not sure what it means but I'm intrigued.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 29, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
Paul Bettany sorta said it.  Well, I guess, "sorta" isn't right--he literally said it.  But he sorta implied that there was more to it than that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 29, 2019, 07:43:57 PM
I’m hoping it’ll include pre-house of M stuff and stuff from the most recent vision comics, which were amazing.
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Post by: jingle.boy on September 03, 2019, 04:28:14 AM
Slightly off topic, but thought I'd drop this in here too....

Some (most?) know that jingle.son is an artist, and about a year and a half ago, I decided I wanted some of his art inked on me.  Now, I'd wanted it before he went off to school - LAST YEAR! - but he never got around to it last summer... which kinda pissed me off because it was really important to me.  Anywhoo... he did finally design something for my birthday, but then school took priority, and it didn't get finalized until earlier this month.  Finally got it inked yesterday, and I'm very happy with it.  It is supposed to look like it's in four separate pieces... almost like it's coming apart (or together, depending on your perspective).  That was his creative vision.

His design, and the final product.  Combining my love of comics (Thor was always my favorite growing up) and music (Zeppelin 4 symbols was my first  tattoo).  The notes 'carved' into the hammer are the opening riff to Immigrant Song. Despite his design including the time and key signature, the tattooist said it would be too small to get on there properly, so we had to pull it out.  It runs on the inside of my left forearm ... just below the elbow crease, and above my wrist.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48653075981_8303a19217_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48652711653_6b37890149_z.jpg) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48653218192_263ded959c_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 03, 2019, 09:29:48 AM
Who is the guy in red on the BW poster:
The guy in the red uniform is Soviet hero Red Star (basically their version of Captain America), being played by David Harbour.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 03, 2019, 01:47:01 PM
Chad,

It seems as if your son, as well as the tattoo artist, missed a spot between the head and the handle...
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Post by: ariich on September 03, 2019, 02:27:58 PM
Chad, that tattoo is awesome. :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on September 04, 2019, 11:52:58 AM
Chad,

It seems as if your son, as well as the tattoo artist, missed a spot between the head and the handle...

 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on September 14, 2019, 05:39:02 PM
So RDJ is reportedly going to be in the Black Widow movie. I’m assuming a small cameo and not a big role.

https://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/2019/09/14/black-widow-movie-casts-robert-downey-jr-report-mcu-marvel-studios/
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2019, 09:43:22 AM
Spidey is back in the MCU. At least for one more movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 27, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Spidey is back in the MCU. At least for one more movie.

Sauce?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2019, 09:46:35 AM
Spidey is back in the MCU. At least for one more movie.

Sauce?

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/sony-marvel-tom-holland-spider-man-1203351489/
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Post by: The Walrus on September 27, 2019, 09:51:39 AM
WE GOT THE KID BACK
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: JayOctavarium on September 27, 2019, 10:01:42 AM
NOICE
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2019, 10:06:03 AM
At least for SM3. I’m really hoping they reach a deal where marvel can use him in their movies, Sony can use him in the spider verse movies and they work together for solo films. Who knows though?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on September 27, 2019, 10:07:54 AM
This is a big deal! This may have saved phase 4 for me. The cliffhanger was ruined without Spider-Man involvement.
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Post by: Adami on September 27, 2019, 10:19:42 AM
So Amy Pascal at Sony said Spidey will also appear in an undisclosed Marvel movie. Not sure which or when. Hope they expand the deal.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on September 27, 2019, 01:16:24 PM
So I'm guessing that means we'll probably get a movie with Spidey sometime in phase 4?  I don't think they'll just sit on this for a long period of time.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on September 27, 2019, 01:24:04 PM
So I'm guessing that means we'll probably get a movie with Spidey sometime in phase 4?  I don't think they'll just sit on this for a long period of time.  :dunno:

Confirmed for July (I think) 2021. So yup. In phase 4.

Edit: Yup! July 16th 2021.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on September 27, 2019, 01:32:04 PM
:footloose:

I'm back on the Marvel hype train with all this Spidey news. My boy!!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on September 27, 2019, 01:36:44 PM
Just when I had no interest in most of the phase 4 movies, this comes in. Sweet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on September 28, 2019, 08:39:23 AM
The assumptions I'm reading are Spidey 3 and another team up or Avengers movie and then Spidey is done in the MCU. His story will be wrapped up and he'll be written out. Sounds like a good plan to me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on September 29, 2019, 04:05:10 PM
Yeah, I am okay with that. Seems the best solution. To continue his story outside of the MCU suddenly would've been an utter trainwreck because so many parts were tied to that universe. Now they can write towards his MCU exit. And a solo trilogy outside of the Avengers is enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 30, 2019, 11:47:29 AM
I think this is just a temporary deal to get through the next couple of years.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see an extension after these two films (along with whatever Sony films Spidey shows up in during that time PLEASE NOT MORBIUM OR MADAME WEB)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on September 30, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
I think this is just a temporary deal to get through the next couple of years.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see an extension after these two films (along with whatever Sony films Spidey shows up in during that time PLEASE NOT MORBIUM OR MADAME WEB)

I don't know, I kind of like the MCU flow with most of the main heroes getting three solo films and a couple of Avenger starring roles. Now that Disney owns the rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four they have no shortage of material  for the next couple of phases.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2019, 11:09:05 AM
If the plan is to do 2 more (1 Spidey/1 MCU) and give closure to his part of the MCU i think that's a good way to go about it because we're not just cutting this current run short and ending on a cliffhanger so at least there will be some resolution there.

Looking at the slate for phase 4 I'm actually not excited at all. That's not to say I'm negative or pessimistic but we have mostly a set of new IPs that don't excite me on name alone. I'll see these movies either way and hopefully they are good movies and then they'll win me over either way but my head is already thinking further into the future, like for example if phase 5 adds Fantastic Four and X-Men to the mix. Now that's something I would be really hyped for. I think Fantastic Four probably more than X-Men mostly because I think Fox did an OK job with X-Men (a few bad movies but a few great ones too) whereas Fantastic Four has imo never had a good movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 01, 2019, 11:21:07 AM
Not sure what kind of "closure" they could have, short of killing Spidey (which they won't do).

He's in his teens, with a long and illustrious career ahead of him.  I can't think of an in-story way to give him closure and never seeing him again in the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on October 01, 2019, 11:29:59 AM
Not sure what kind of "closure" they could have, short of killing Spidey (which they won't do).

He's in his teens, with a long and illustrious career ahead of him.  I can't think of an in-story way to give him closure and never seeing him again in the MCU.

He sacrifices himself in the Multi-universe story and lands on a different universe where he is trapped and can't get out (Not dead, just on a different dimension/universe never to be seen again).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 01, 2019, 11:48:52 AM
That sounds awful.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2019, 11:49:13 AM
Count me as NOT very excited for FF or X-Men.  I've never cared for FF.  Ever.  And although I loved the X-Men comics back in the '80s, I feel I've far outgrown what they are selling with that brand. 

But even if that hurdle could be overcome by just solid film-making, here's my next obstacle:  Marvel has regularly surprised me by taking characters I've never cared for, and making films that are anywhere from solid at worst to outstanding at best, and mostly near the upper end of that spectrum.  BUT we've had so many films in those two franchises, and it becomes a weird set of mental gymnastics for me to constantly go through the process of telling myself "THOSE stories don't count in THIS universe, and THOSE characters don't exist here."  I know the same could be said of the two completely separate Spiderman universes that had been done prior to the MCU version.  And Marvel could surprise me and do quality stories that tie in so well that it is easy to disregard those prior versions of FF and X-Men.  They likely will.  But standing where we are right now and looking forward, I can't help but feel a bit of trepidation. 

I've loved the MCU up to now.  And while some of the upcoming titles look interesting, I'm just feeling a bit worn out by the prospect of the MCU going forward, and am seeing myself perhaps not viewing some films going forward as "must-see."  Until recently, everything was "must-see" in theaters and "must-buy" immediately upon home release.  Captain Marvel is the first that I still haven't bought (I will, for completeness, but not in any hurry, obviously).  And going forward, I just don't know.  I don't take anything away from what they've done.  But for me, I think I'm approaching that burnout point where I no longer care as much.  And that's fine. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on October 01, 2019, 11:55:04 AM
Whether you like it or not I think the multiverse might not be that far fetched because Into the Spidey Verse was a huge success and most Spider-Man fans loved it and by the sounds of it the new Dr Strange movie will go into that as well so you never know.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on October 01, 2019, 12:19:04 PM
I know they are doing a multiverse concept.  But I think what it will entail is up in the air.  To me, it's kind of a turnoff in general.  But we'll see how it pans out.

I wouldn't expect it to have anything to do with Into the Spiderverse.  That is just its own thing (not to mention just being plain awful and painfully boring). 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on October 01, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
I posted this when they announced Spidey out of the MCU. I still believe that is the plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is what they do.

Also, I am more worried because I had a feeling it was the plan to link spider man to Doctor Strange Multi-Universe. Let's remember that there was a spider-verse before the movie  ::)

(https://i.imgur.com/fcQUzCl.jpg)

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on October 01, 2019, 01:08:22 PM
I'm excited for the future MCU, especially and perhaps essentially due to Spidey's inclusion. Holland is so young and they have so many stories to tell and show no signs of stopping. I would not be surprised if Spidey's MCU career, despite the obstacles, exceeds Iron Man's. We're not quite there, but I am excited that it seems a live possibility. Who knows, we might just get that college trilogy, and perhaps more.

As for the Sony Spiderverse...I did not see Venom nor have any interest in seeing Venom, although I would if the story were somehow made MCU canon. However, Into the Spiderverse was amazing, and I would be hyped to see a non-canon, one-off Holland-Garfield-Maguire multiverse team-up movie. Imagine if they got all the original actors of the Sinister Six to play their roles. T'would be ridiculous but awesome.

As for X-Men and Fantastic 4, although I didn't care about or even see many of the Fox films, I have total faith that Feige or other MCU creatives can make them interesting. The track record for reintroducing past characters is great: they saved Spider-Man, despite the uninspired Garfield reboot; and let's not forget Daredevil and Ghost Rider, who are now fan favorites despite some terrible past movies; even Hulk, Cap, and Thor who had a shaky start in the early days were totally redeemed. X-Men and FF are gonna be great, c'mon!

Anyway, I'm almost all caught up on all the MCU stuff and hope to do so by the time Black Widow comes out. Where should I go next? Here's my TODO list and where I'm at:

Agents of Shield - Season 6 .   Such a good show. A little sad about the end of Season 5 but hopeful there are good stories to tell.
Jessica Jones - Season 3 - Season 1 was killer; Season 2 was a chore...Based on reviews, I don't have high hopes for S3....
Luke Cage - Season 2 - I feel indifferent towards this show, but I think I'd like S2.
Iron Fist - Season 2 - I heard it's completely revamped from S1 now that they got rid of Buck, so I'm excited.
Punisher - Season 2 - Frank Castle's awesome, looking forward to his feud with his ex-friend continuing.
Inhumans - Season 1 - I heard this show is trash, so...not looking forward to it.
Runaways - Seasons 1 and 2 - I know nothing about this show or the characters and don't feel too motivated to check it out.
Cloak and Dagger - Seasons 1 and 2 -- Similar feeling to Runaways.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 01, 2019, 02:48:10 PM
I am not as excited about the X-Men, but I would definitely like to see the MCU's spin on the Fantastic Four.  Having said that, the best thing about acquiring the FF isn't really the FF; it's their villains.  Doctor Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, etc.

Even better: the best thing about Marvel acquiring Fox is that Fox won't make any more X-Men or FF films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on October 01, 2019, 04:24:36 PM
I am not as excited about the X-Men, but I would definitely like to see the MCU's spin on the Fantastic Four.  Having said that, the best thing about acquiring the FF isn't really the FF; it's their villains.  Doctor Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, etc.

Even better: the best thing about Marvel acquiring Fox is that Fox won't make any more X-Men or FF films.

Yeah this is where I'm at - I'm all about the F4 villains, not the heroes. Doctor Doom alone gives them enough material to build towards a Thanos-level arc.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on October 02, 2019, 11:18:07 AM
One big happy Marvel family

(https://i.imgur.com/NBRROY2.jpg)
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Post by: Lonk on October 02, 2019, 12:06:43 PM
 :lol :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on October 06, 2019, 04:42:19 AM
Better late than never, I saw Spider-Man - Far from home. Yet another hit!

Very enjoyable and balanced between the action and the funny parts (how I laughed when Peter accidentally called the drone strike on his own tourbus), and it was also a cool tour around three towns I visited. I know next to nothing of Spider-Man's mythology aside the villains shown in the previous movies so I didn't catch at first what was the deal with Mysterio, but I figured out that if the conflict was done halfway through the movie, there had to be something up.

It's also interesting to see how the mid-credit scene will influence the next movie. Liked how it basically ended the same as the first one  :D (but the after-credits scene was a bit lame and gratuitous)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on October 07, 2019, 08:26:28 AM
I liked it a lot too.  It wasn't spectacular.  But it didn't need to be.  It did everything it needed to, and did it well.  And it really wrapped up the Peter/Tony arc in a very satisfying way.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on October 07, 2019, 02:43:21 PM
All the Mysterio fights were awesome. The last twist (with the gunshot) definitely got me, and was an amazing moment for this incarnation of Spidey.

Also the endgame reference with the "hammer" and "shield".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ninjabait on October 07, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
I started watching Runaways last night, got about halfway through the season. It's pretty good tbh. It's not Daredevil level quality, but it's like watching the better episodes of the CBS DC shows for an entire season. The music's pretty lit. Main problem with it is that the dialog sounds like it was written by someone who has never been around teenagers. I've never met a single person who talks like the kids in the show, but that's a common problem with TV and I'm willing to overlook it.

It's around the level of quality as the 2nd/3rd Iron Man movies, Cap 1, or Captain Marvel imo. Not really earth-shatteringly great, but still thoroughly enjoyable.

I'll probably start on Cloak and Dagger after I finish this. iirc after that all I'll have left to watch are the second half of Agent Carter S2, Punisher S2, and JJ S3. And Hulk and Inhumans, but I'm not losing any sleep having not seen those lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on October 10, 2019, 07:42:00 AM
I have not seen Runaways yet, and honestly I am not planning to.

I have been watching Agents of Shield lately. I am up to the last few episodes of season 4. It is enjoyable. A lot better than the Netflix shows. I just have an issue with the lazy writing (why does everything needs to be a plot twist?).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on October 10, 2019, 08:03:01 AM
The plot twist is their thing.  The series goes on and every season it gets more and more insane, but you just go with it because as crazy as it gets, it still somehow makes sense.  I don't see the writing as lazy; in fact, I think it's pretty good and it keeps getting better.  These last few seasons have been completely nuts, but tons of fun.  I've been with AoS since the pilot, and will definitely be with it til the end.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on October 13, 2019, 12:00:58 PM
AoS has stayed at roughly the same quality or has improved as the seasons have gone on. Working through S6 and it's just...insane...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on October 30, 2019, 01:24:00 PM
One of the VERY few things that bother me about the MCU is that it seems the screenwriters did not consult astronomers/physicists/etc when trying to convey the scope of galaxies/the universe and being consistent about it. Let me explain.

Example 1: in Infinity War, Strange's assistant says the infinity stones were "scattered throughout the virgin universe" - yet they all ended up in a relatively small portion of 1 galaxy amongst billions of galaxies?!? Would have made much more sense for them to explain how they got scattered throughout one galaxy.

Example 2: in Endgame, Danvers says "there are a lot of planets in the universe and they didn't have you guys (Avengers)". Again, would have made much more sense to confine her travels to just within the Milky Way galaxy and its presumed millions of planets. For one thing, intergalactic travel is a whole different ballgame than interstellar travel within one galaxy. Unless she was using portals and wormholes exclusively, there's no way her statement makes sense. Which leads to . . .

Example 3: from Endgame again, she says "you might not see me for a long time". Yeah but . . . she obviously can travel much faster than the speed of light, and could presumably be back on earth any time she wanted depending on how fast she traveled. That scene depicts the passage of time at super-light speeds as concurrent with normal earth time passage which again is totally against our understanding of that based on Einsteinian theory. One day at super-light speed does not equal one day on earth. This is proven when she rescues Stark, she is able to whisk him back to earth almost instantaneously judging from his log entries about the amount of days elapsed since Thanos' snap and the Avengers saying the same amount of time had passed on earth (about 3 weeks).

You sciencey types, please chime in and either confirm or correct me on these points. Again I love these movies immensely but I feel like when they went to outer space they kind of lost a logical grasp of the space/time continuum a little bit.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on October 30, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
Dude...have you even SEEN Hot Tub Time Machine?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on October 30, 2019, 01:38:55 PM
Well, in the comics, Titan is a moon of Saturn.  So let's go with that.  Also, I thought that the Kree did have wormhole technology for space travel - wasn't that shown at the beginning of Ms Marvel?

But yeah... I think we need to suspend believe on every and anything related to space travel in any movie - except flicks like Interstellar and Ad Astra that try to explain it the way actual physics might.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on October 30, 2019, 02:10:35 PM
Well, in the comics, Titan is a moon of Saturn.  So let's go with that.

Titan is a moon of Saturn.  I mean, in reality as well as the comics.  Otherwise I'm fine with everything you said.  I think to the average viewer, "the galaxy" and "the universe" might technically be different but are essentially interchangeable because they're "everything out there, so vast and huge that you can't imagine it, so don't even try".

Dream Team is right; just saying "galaxy" instead of "universe" those few times would actually make a lot more sense, but hey, it's not just Hollywood, it's Hollywood based on comic books.  That's like two degrees of Suspend Your Disbelief right there, not to mention all the other stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on October 30, 2019, 04:00:44 PM
First off, having watched Ad Astra, but not knowing much about astrophysics, I get the feeling that it does NOT have any sense of accuracy to it.



Now, Dream Team, while the stuff you mentioned doesn't bug me, it did remind me of a typical sci-fi mistake that always bugs me.

Calling things solar systems or suns that are not in our solar system. Sol is the god damn name. There's literally 1 sun and 1 solar system. Beyond that, there are stars and star systems who may have their own names.

So any time I'm watching any sci-fi thing and they say something like "It's entered the Telaxian solar system but their twin suns are going to explode!" I get annoyed.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on November 01, 2019, 06:15:26 PM
Ant-Man 3 is a go. Peyton Reed returning to direct.








Cool.






Let’s hope they put as much thought into the story as they do into the action and humor this time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on November 05, 2019, 03:53:06 PM
Just wanted to share something that you guys will understand. I'm in academia (humanities). I'm friends with a lot of philosophers on facebook. I can't tell you how many "the Marvel movies are not real art" rants I've seen. "It's all cheap thrills and explosions." "Our culture needs to get back to The Good." Etc. It drives me crazy. Granted, these folks tend to be myopic moralistic 'old souls'. Holy hannah, though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on November 05, 2019, 04:19:10 PM
Did someone create it for someone's enjoyment, be their own or someone else's?  Then it's art.

It may not be within any particular person's "standards", but those standards are 100% subjective.  The fact that it was created by someone and others enjoy it is all that matters.
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Post by: Zook on November 05, 2019, 07:15:41 PM
I could smear my own shit all over the wall, and it would still be art. If paint splotches can be in a museum, surely someone will enjoy my shit wall.
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Post by: Orbert on November 05, 2019, 07:41:33 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2019, 08:10:18 AM
Just wanted to share something that you guys will understand. I'm in academia (humanities). I'm friends with a lot of philosophers on facebook. I can't tell you how many "the Marvel movies are not real art" rants I've seen. "It's all cheap thrills and explosions." "Our culture needs to get back to The Good." Etc. It drives me crazy. Granted, these folks tend to be myopic moralistic 'old souls'. Holy hannah, though.
Yeah, that's where Martin Scorsese is coming from.

I disagree with him, too.
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Post by: The Walrus on November 06, 2019, 09:45:16 AM
Scorcese says there's nothing at risk in Marvel/comic films and he's flat out wrong about that, too. He says it's all just variations on a theme, which is ironic considering this man is arguably most well known because of his tendency to release fairly similar mobster films that even use the same actors in some cases. It's almost as if he's never heard of the 'seven basic plots.' In short he sounds like a grumpy old man who just doesn't like superheroes. He should just stick to talking about his upcoming umpteenth mobster flick with De Niro and Pesci once again
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Post by: Lonk on November 06, 2019, 09:45:29 AM
I agree with you guys, except with the idea of what art is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on November 06, 2019, 09:54:51 AM
I think the Marty situation is 2 different types of arguments that were kinda mixed into one confusing rant, the first point being that because of superhero movies owning the market it makes original content harder to get out there (which I do think comes with some salt about Irishman getting a very LIMITED cinematic release before being dumped on Netflix) and the other point is more of an opinion that superhero movie are just dumb schlock entertainment that requires no brain to understand and have zero depth to them.

Now I kinda agree with his first point a bit but it's hard to really blame Disney or the other big companies because it's a big trend right now and while they make these movies, the fact remains that the audience want these movies so naturally they are trying to cash in. I do fear that at some point in the future there will only be giant cinemaplexes showing 8 screenings of Black Panther 3, 4 screenings of the new Pixar movie and that 'indie' movies are entirely relegated to direct-to-streaming, so I can understand his fear, but I think bashing these movies is where he comes off as a bit clueless and not really well informed. It's a big genre and you have movies like Logan and Joker that are a lot closer to 'indie films' than they are to the big spectacle superhero blow-up action movies like Avengers for example. Just blatantly dismissing a whole genre seems a bit weird to me.

In the end I think as with other types of movies whether it's horror movies, comedies, action movies or dramas, there will be some amazing ones that transcend the genre they are and just become 'great movies' and there will also be garbage ones and everything in between.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2019, 10:59:21 AM
Yeah, he seems to be singling out Marvel as a genre of films that he doesn't think are art.

But the overwhelming majority of films that are produced are genre films of one kind or another.  Such as, for example, mob movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on November 07, 2019, 03:56:02 PM
Now I kinda agree with his first point a bit but it's hard to really blame Disney or the other big companies because it's a big trend right now and while they make these movies, the fact remains that the audience want these movies so naturally they are trying to cash in.
I also only agree a bit, and the reason is that Scorcese and others who make this argument assume that someone going to see a Marvel movie is doing so instead of going to see what he calls an "art" movie. And I'm sure there's a bit of that, which is why I agree a bit. But I'm not convinced about how much that happens.

Take me as an example. I have streaming services and watch most movies and TV through that. Occasionally I might buy something on DVD/Bluray. I almost never go to the cinema - the cost and the time commitment aren't a priority when I have all these other avenues. When I go and see Marvel in theatres, that's not in competition with other theatrical releases, it's in competition with streaming something at home, or doing something else entirely with my time. What the Marvel movies are doing is actually (occasionally) getting me out to the cinema again and reminding me of what an enjoyable experience it can be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on November 08, 2019, 04:13:54 AM
I also only agree a bit, and the reason is that Scorcese and others who make this argument assume that someone going to see a Marvel movie is doing so instead of going to see what he calls an "art" movie. And I'm sure there's a bit of that, which is why I agree a bit. But I'm not convinced about how much that happens.

This is a great argument that I also have thought about but kinda forgot to expand on in my original post. The big blockbuster movies - in this current time - the superhero movies have a massive appeal to people in all ages and all demographics and in the cinema you will see a grandma taking her grandchild, you will see a group of middle aged men, you will see teenagers and everything else. If for example Joker wasn't showing in the cinema, there's no reason to believe those people would watch The Lighthouse instead - because a black and white weird movie starring only 2 actors is not for everyone.

As long as there can be a balance and we still get 'indie films' in cinemas too, I'm happy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on November 08, 2019, 07:30:36 AM
Scorcese and Coppola and those guys put a lot of effort into creating what they believe to be a higher form of art, and are bummed when the new Avengers movie takes in 10 times as much money at the box office.  To me it's kinda like prog bands with killer chops and amazing epic tunes watching some auto-tuned teenager filling stadiums, while they play to half-filled clubs.  Too bad!  That's the nature of art.

Sure, I'd like to see great artists make money and get their due.  I wouldn't deny them that.  But there's an argument that "true artists" do exactly what they want and don't give a damn how popular it is; so if you're jealous of someone else's success, that's not the artist in you feeling it, it's the capitalist.  Marty and Francis will just have to be happy with the critical acclaim and all those Oscars in the trophy case.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 08, 2019, 07:50:54 AM
creating ............. a higher form of art

This is also a double edged sword so to speak. In my eyes there are a lot of 'fans' of certain franchises.....take Star Wars for example......that get all huffy and puffy when these latest movies aren't hitting certain points or seem too 'simple' as if they are supposed to reach some higher form of art rather than just being what they are....entertaining stories. I for one am not looking for 'Godfather' level acting/writing when it comes to the latest installment of SW or Marvel. Just want to 'see' a spectacle with some nice progression.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on November 08, 2019, 07:53:25 AM
I for one am not looking for 'Godfather' level acting/writing when it comes to the latest installment of SW or Marvel. Just want to 'see' a spectacle with some nice progression.
This is true for me for the most part too, but it is pretty awesome when a blockbuster movie also has pretty heavy artistic chops as well. Doesn't happen often.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 08, 2019, 08:02:21 AM
I for one am not looking for 'Godfather' level acting/writing when it comes to the latest installment of SW or Marvel. Just want to 'see' a spectacle with some nice progression.
This is true for me for the most part too, but it is pretty awesome when a blockbuster movie also has pretty heavy artistic chops as well. Doesn't happen often.

Totally agree. If your big blockbuster happens to have more substance than normal it's certainly a plus. I'm just not heading into those expecting them to. Like with the anticipated AVATAR sequels....I'm not expecting 'Apocolypse Now' level stuff. I'm expecting a visual spectacle....some cool action sequences....and a story that moves along but isn't looking to re-imagine anything.

Honestly, I think 'The Last Jedi' is the best SW film when looking at adding that extra 'artistic chop' to the story when looking at the movie as a whole. I 'get' the knocks against it.....I'm not saying this to drum up or rehash why people think it sucks.....I just thought that Rian Johnson gave it more of a 'real' movie feel with some of the undertones and things he explored than any of the other SW movies had done. I thought there was more going on there than surface level...which was cool. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on November 08, 2019, 08:11:05 AM
While I totally respect you guys just wanting a spectacle, I would hate for that to become the standards of the film makers, you know?

I'd hate it to become "Well....let's just give them lots of pretty stuff to look at, no one cares about the other stuff anyway"

I want them to try their best. I want them to put art into it, put themselves into it, put passion into it. Not just hit a bare minimum "lots of pretty stuff" quota and move on to the next one.

Luckily, for the most part, I feel like Marvel has not been a "let's just do spectacle and make our money" company. Even if they don't always succeed, with a few exceptions, there seems to be a strong desire for great character work, story work, emotional arcs, and so forth. So I'm cool with Marvel in that sense.

DC on the other hand? Ehhhhhh

Star Wars recently? Ehhhhh

Transformers? Best not talked about (Except for Bumblebee)

Actually, Transformers is a good example. It is 100% spectacle and nothing else, to the detriment of everything it COULD be. Just because something isn't Godfather or Apocalypse Now, doesn't mean it has to be beautiful garbage. I do still expect well written and well directed movies with strong characters and some kind of mythos to it. You know? If you're kid can't write Shakespeare, you don't settle for F papers, you strive for the best you can do. Most film makers simply aren't capable of Scorsese or Coppola level film making, no problem, but be the best film makers, directors, writers, actors, producers, whatever that you CAN be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 08, 2019, 08:19:41 AM
While I totally respect you guys just wanting a spectacle, I would hate for that to become the standards of the film makers, you know?

I'm not saying that's all I would want from these types of films. As you said.....Transformers is the glaring example. Real 'pretty' but that's it. I think Marvel has done a good job of finding a happy medium between the glitz and glamour of the spectacle and still developing characters. And, I fall on the side of the recent SW films have done just the same. I just think SW in particular is held to an impossible standard thanks to 30+ years of that franchise being romanticized in fans minds into something it probably never was in the first place.

I think the next 'level' of movie making so to speak is going to be when you find a way to combine the 'spectacle' with an amazing script/acting performance/character development etc etc.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 08, 2019, 09:02:01 AM
Honestly, I think 'The Last Jedi' is the best SW film when looking at adding that extra 'artistic chop' to the story when looking at the movie as a whole.
I agree with you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on November 14, 2019, 07:55:55 AM
Yup put me in the pile of those who absolutely LOVED The Last Jedi, I do admit it isn't without issues but whatever issues are there doesn't detract from the overall enjoyment of the movie for me.

Since this is a Marvel thread. I checked out the deleted scenes of Endgame with commentary on Disney+ I believe they are all different than the ones on the Blu-ray. One in particular with Tony Stark and the snap was really intriguing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on November 15, 2019, 08:27:02 PM
So, the female power scene in Endgame never bothered me. It's a bit silly that the female heroes kind of all just gravitate to that spot instantly (we aren't shown just how big the battlefield is, but it looks pretty big) but if I had one gripe in Endgame, and this includes the female power scene, it's that the heroes' masks are constantly being removed. This happened a lot in Sam Raimi's Spider-man trilogy. Spider-man kept taking his mask off for no reason, but in the final battle in Endgame, they were doing the same thing. Most of the time it was completely unnecessary. I can understand if people aren't familiar with Rescue, like myself, but she does it again when the women group up. Same with The Wasp. Did Black Panther need to remove his mask to tell Hawkeye to give him the gauntlet? You're in the middle of a battlefield. Why do you keep removing your protective headgear? Some exceptions, but it's still annoying. I don't expect Peter to reconnect with Tony while wearing his mask, or Star Lord with Gamora, but after so many scenes of the heroes removing their masks, it just drives me nuts.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on November 15, 2019, 08:53:47 PM
Maybe just to save a few bucks on CGI? :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on November 16, 2019, 07:37:41 AM
It's because they pay big bucks to display these pretty actor faces. You can also have helmets that reveal the face, but it's kinda tricky to light an actor that has some headgear. I don't have any sources on this at hand, I just remember reading it when someone pointed out they were annoyed by the lack of headgear and helmets for the northern and war scenes of Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on November 16, 2019, 10:13:12 AM
For a less cynical interpretation, I would suggest that it's a helpful way to develop a sense of interaction between the characters on the audience. If we're just watching a bunch of masks and helmets, it can create a barrier to emotional connection with what's going on.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on November 18, 2019, 09:21:56 AM
For a less cynical interpretation, I would suggest that it's a helpful way to develop a sense of interaction between the characters on the audience. If we're just watching a bunch of masks and helmets, it can create a barrier to emotional connection with what's going on.

That's spot on.  But it's a tricky balance because, as Zook pointed out, once you cross a certain threshhold, it can take audience members out of the moment due to lack of realism, and in so doing, negate the benefit you just pointed out. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on November 18, 2019, 11:44:06 PM
For a less cynical interpretation, I would suggest that it's a helpful way to develop a sense of interaction between the characters on the audience. If we're just watching a bunch of masks and helmets, it can create a barrier to emotional connection with what's going on.

That's spot on.  But it's a tricky balance because, as Zook pointed out, once you cross a certain threshhold, it can take audience members out of the moment due to lack of realism, and in so doing, negate the benefit you just pointed out. 
Yeah for sure, and they don't always get it quite right (as with some similar things). Was just explaining why I think they do it at all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on November 24, 2019, 09:34:49 PM
Because of its inclusion on D+,  I'm watching The Inhumans for the first time. 

I don't see what all the hate was about.   It's not nearly as stupid as the 1st season of AoS was.   

I said as much when my wife and I were watching episode one.   She responded by saying, "At least no one has tried to steal a tattoo."   (she despised Iron Fist.)   :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on November 24, 2019, 10:35:38 PM
Because of its inclusion on D+,  I'm watching The Inhumans for the first time. 

I don't see what all the hate was about.   It's not nearly as stupid as the 1st season of AoS was.   

I said as much when my wife and I were watching episode one.   She responded by saying, "At least no one has tried to steal a tattoo."   (she despised Iron Fist.)   :rollin :rollin :rollin
I too thought it started out just fine, but it gets worse and a lot dumber. At least in my opinion it does. It was a huge waste of a storyline.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ZirconBlue on November 25, 2019, 07:54:28 AM


Because of its inclusion on D+,  I'm watching The Inhumans for the first time. 



My family and I watched 2 episodes when it originally aired, and the only thing we cared about was the dog, so we just stopped watching.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on November 25, 2019, 07:56:37 AM
Agents of Shield season 1, or at least most of it was not good at all.

But Inhumans is another level of awful.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on November 25, 2019, 08:27:46 AM
I too thought it started out just fine, but it gets worse and a lot dumber. At least in my opinion it does. It was a huge waste of a storyline.

Indeed. I watched every week with hopes it would get better, but nope, just a waste of time :-\
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 25, 2019, 02:59:19 PM
Agents of Shield season 1, or at least most of it was not good at all.

But Inhumans is another level of awful.
This, this, this.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on November 28, 2019, 08:48:51 PM
I haven't watched Thor 1 and 2 since they were released, but I remember Kat Dennings being enjoyable and funny. Holy shit is she dreadful in everything else I've seen her in.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on November 28, 2019, 09:21:51 PM
I haven't watched Thor 1 and 2 since they were released, but I remember Kat Dennings being enjoyable and funny. Holy shit is she dreadful in everything else I've seen her in.

She has two great qualities but I can’t quite put my fingers on them. Sadly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on November 28, 2019, 11:35:01 PM
I haven't watched Thor 1 and 2 since they were released, but I remember Kat Dennings being enjoyable and funny. Holy shit is she dreadful in everything else I've seen her in.

She has two great qualities but I can’t quite put my fingers on them. Sadly.

 :tup :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on November 29, 2019, 04:56:46 AM
I haven't watched Thor 1 and 2 since they were released, but I remember Kat Dennings being enjoyable and funny. Holy shit is she dreadful in everything else I've seen her in.

She has two great qualities but I can’t quite put my fingers on them. Sadly.

You could see them though...I heard that from a friend
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on November 29, 2019, 02:45:32 PM
Agents of Shield season 1, or at least most of it was not good at all.

But Inhumans is another level of awful.
This, this, this.

I'm on episode 3.   It's klunky, but I'm not finding it to be the "dumpster fire" that some people are claiming it is.   

So far, I like it better than Cloak and Dagger.  And my wife likes it more than Iron Fist.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2019, 02:48:31 PM
You’re nuts. Cloak and dagger is fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on November 29, 2019, 03:50:59 PM
You’re nuts. Cloak and dagger is fantastic.

I disagree.   ;D :angel: :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on November 29, 2019, 03:53:15 PM
You’re nuts. Cloak and dagger is fantastic.

I disagree.   ;D :angel: :P

Hmm.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on November 29, 2019, 06:22:08 PM
You’re nuts. Cloak and dagger is fantastic.

I liked the first season and watched the 2nd in full, but didn't like it that much, Ii don't think I'll watch the 3rd if there's one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on November 30, 2019, 04:21:26 PM
Episode 7 and I'm liking it more and more.   I think this show had lots of promise.   Should have had a lot more crossover potential with AoS.   

Mid-tier show.  But ya.  I think I like it better than Iron Fist as well.  (and Cloak and Dagger)

I haven't seen the Runaways yet, so I'll see where that falls.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2019, 06:44:00 PM
Episode 7 and I'm liking it more and more.   I think this show had lots of promise.   Should have had a lot more crossover potential with AoS.   

Mid-tier show.  But ya.  I think I like it better than Iron Fist as well.  (and Cloak and Dagger)

I haven't seen the Runaways yet, so I'll see where that falls.

You're turning into the Stadler of the Movies/TV shows part of the forum.

I wasn't a big fan of Runaways, but I recognize that I can't be objective. I've read (as far as I know) every single issue of the Runaways, so it's impossible to divorce that from the show, which I thought was largely meh. Hoping season 3 is better, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on November 30, 2019, 08:55:52 PM
So....I disagree with you and I'm a Stadler? 


I'm weirdly OK with that.   ;D :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on November 30, 2019, 08:57:58 PM
So....I disagree with you and I'm a Stadler? 


I'm weirdly OK with that.   ;D :rollin :rollin :rollin

Oh no, it’s the amount I’m disagreeing with you.

I’d be curious what you think of Runaways. I seem to be in the minority who doesn’t like it for the most part.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2019, 09:06:59 AM
I honestly can't tell you what happened in even a single episode of Runaways.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 02, 2019, 09:07:41 AM
I honestly can't tell you what happened in even a single episode of Runaways.


I can tell you something that happened in every episode of the first season.


Spoilers...



THEY DIDN'T RUN AWAY (until the very very end)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 02, 2019, 10:02:32 AM
Hmm.  Maybe I should watch it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on December 02, 2019, 10:11:03 AM
Wait... wut? 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 02, 2019, 10:24:56 AM
I could rant about The Runaways all day, but I don't want to spoil anything for anyone.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 03, 2019, 04:41:40 AM
Black Widow Trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxAtuMu_ph4

Other than the last scene here, me likey.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on December 03, 2019, 05:19:31 AM
I see what you mean about the last scene but other than that, looks good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on December 03, 2019, 06:22:35 AM
Yeah, kinda weird in that her whole thing is "I had no family" and then we immediately see her with her family.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 03, 2019, 01:24:57 PM
Is that family part of her background in the comics?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on December 04, 2019, 09:20:22 AM
I don't know if it was just a bad day, but I kinda felt underwhelmed by the trailer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 04, 2019, 10:09:38 AM
I don't know if it was just a bad day, but I kinda felt underwhelmed by the trailer.

This. I mean, I'm sure it'll be an action packed movie and make a ton of money but judging from the trailer it has the outline/story/feel of about thirty other action movies. Just seems like another run of the mill movie....nothing 'Marvel-esk' about it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 04, 2019, 10:13:59 AM
Watched episode one of Runaways last night. Most of it was pretty stupid, but character introduction episodes usually are. The ending left me intrigued enough to give episode 2 a go later this week.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 04, 2019, 10:14:07 AM
Black Widow is one of the least compelling characters in the MCU to me, unfortunately, although I did like her role in Endgame a lot. I just really do not care about her as a character much. She's been there since Iron Man 2 and yet... I dunno. Never really felt like that much of a spy to me, her lack of accent (I get it, expert spy, turn on/off accents at will, but still), lack of any superpowers just doesn't allow her character to connect with me the way even someone like Nick Fury does.

All that to say I think the trailer looks cool and fun and makes the film look potentially similar to The Winter Soldier in terms of vibe and big action sequences. I like the new characters so far, David Harbour is an instant plus to me as a big Stranger Things fan, and that enormous action sequence toward the end of the trailer has me excited. Not sure if this film will be of much consequence in the big picture, but it's nice that Black Widow finally gets her own time in the spotlight even if it's after her story's been wrapped up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on December 04, 2019, 10:40:56 AM
That's the part that really baffles me.  She's been around since Iron Man 2, she's been part of The Avengers (at least in the MCU) from the beginning, and we got origin stories from most of the major players as part of the buildup to Infinity War and Endgame.  Multiple movies for Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, even Ant-Man.  It seems to me that by not having a standalone Black Widow movie (until now) or Hawkeye movie, they are clearly "secondary" heroes in some eyes.  So now that that huge arc is over and we already know how it ends for her, now we get her origin story?  Talk about anti-climactic.

Part of it, I get.  Black Widow and Hawkeye do not have super powers.  They're not aliens like Thor, superpowered through other means like Captain America and Hulk, or even "somewhat" augmented like Spider-man.  But neither is Iron Man.  Stark is 100% mortal, regular human, just with amazing tech, and he was the lynchpin of the Avengers.  So being a "super hero" is not because you're actually super-powered compared to regular people.  It's...

I have no idea.  But I've never considered Black Widow or Hawkeye "super heroes".  Cool characters, good guys, heroes for sure, but not really in the same league as Iron Man or Captain America.  And from how they've been handled within the MCU, apparently others agree with me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 04, 2019, 10:43:48 AM
It's a Marvel film, so I am going to see it.

But since it is, I guess, a prequel of sorts (at the very least, set in time before her known demise), which is a bit of a turn off for me under any circumstances, it is definitely my least-looked-forward-to Marvel release thus far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on December 04, 2019, 11:01:57 AM
It's a Marvel film, so I am going to see it.

But since it is, I guess, a prequel of sorts (at the very least, set in time before her known demise), which is a bit of a turn off for me under any circumstances, it is definitely my least-looked-forward-to Marvel release thus far.

I read that it's set after the events of Captain America: Civil War.  So it still ties in pretty closely with the Marvel timeline.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2019, 11:03:01 AM
Black Widow is one of the least compelling characters in the MCU to me

Same here.  When she was introduced in IM2, it was really cool because all the crossover stuff and allusions to a much larger Marvel universe was really just starting, and introduction of a character like her was part of that.  She was fantastic in Avengers as the spy/assassin who you didn't want to mess with.  And she was a great supporting character in The Winter Soldier.  But after that, I feel that as the MCU grew, it kind of outgrew her and made her less compelling in comparison.  She was still a perfectly good character, and very well played.  But with so many "upper-tier" characters in the MCU, the thought of her taking a starring role has just never really appealed to me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 04, 2019, 11:22:29 AM
I see your points Bosk, but I'm the opposite.  I think the character is far more relatable, being "just" human with no super powers.  You say "upper tier" but you use it in the context to really mean "bigger super powers".  I'm totally fine with a storyline that is less about  "super" powers, and more about the characters themselves - that's largely what we got with Winter Soldier, right?  And that (for most) is a Top 3 / Top 5 MCU movie.  That's what I'm excited for about this movie.

And yeah, we're going to get a back-story of sorts - she is afterall, dead.  Doesn't make sense to have a movie about her in the "now".   :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 04, 2019, 11:24:50 AM
I think that's largely why I don't like Winter Soldier but I realize I'm in the minority. It feels more like a typical action beat 'em up flick and I'm not about that. I want superpowers! Superstrength is to superpowers what beige is to the color spectrum.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 04, 2019, 11:25:55 AM
Doesn't make sense to have a movie about her in the "now".   :lol

Hmmm, you don't want a 2 hour movie that is just a shot of her lying dead?


I think it could be done well.  :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2019, 11:35:36 AM
I see your points Bosk, but I'm the opposite.  I think the character is far more relatable, being "just" human with no super powers.  You say "upper tier" but you use it in the context to really mean "bigger super powers". 

That's all fine.  But just to be clear, I am NOT referring simply to bigger super powers.  As Katt said, she just isn't all that compelling as a character.  Neither is Captain Marvel, and she has HUGE super powers.  Same with Hulk, actually.   I use "upper tier" to simply refer to characters that just have a bigger presence and depth that makes them more compelling and interesting. 

Hulk is an interesting example of how soft a concept this is.  I would consider him more of an "upper-tier"/"A-list" Avenger.  However, much like Black Widow, I don't find him to be all that compelling as a character on his own.  He's great in ensemble films in a supporting role.  But I, for one, have very little desire to see another Hulk solo movie.  Just not interesting to me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 04, 2019, 11:43:09 AM
It's a Marvel film, so I am going to see it.

But since it is, I guess, a prequel of sorts (at the very least, set in time before her known demise), which is a bit of a turn off for me under any circumstances, it is definitely my least-looked-forward-to Marvel release thus far.

I read that it's set after the events of Captain America: Civil War.  So it still ties in pretty closely with the Marvel timeline.
Yeah, but it's still in the past, and since we know what happens AFTER this story, I just won't be interested.  I generally don't like stories set in the past (prequels) if I know what happens afterward.  That's why I don't like shows like Gotham or Krypton (regardless of their production values or relative quality).  I just have no interest in that kind of story.  I want to know what happens NEXT, not BEFORE (flashbacks notwithstanding).

This isn't THAT drastic; I guess it's closer to, say, Indiana Jones & the Temple of Doom.  Which is my least favorite IJ film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on December 04, 2019, 12:01:15 PM
I hope this answers how her hair turned blonde.













:neverusethis:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 04, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
I hope this answers how her hair turned blonde.

*************SPOILERS**************

It's set after the events in Frozen.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on December 08, 2019, 11:54:24 AM
Maybe one part of the explanation of why I'm feeling kinda meh about the BW movie is that Phase 3 was just so good. The recent string of releases has been of much higher quality than the MCU in the early days, so much so that I feel that the MCU has set a new standard for itself. Since Civil War, almost every film has felt like an above-average Marvel movie. I guess there were a few films that were just OK (looking at you, Captain Marvel and Ant-Man 2), but those are the exception, not the rule. And then we were hit with Far From Home which is basically a Phase 4 movie that continued the trend of really good movies. So unless BW is good enough to be up to par with 'the new standard', it's going to feel like a disappointment. And going off of the trailer, it looks like it's not going to be good enough.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 08, 2019, 01:52:08 PM
I hope this answers how her hair turned blonde.

*************SPOILERS**************

It's set after the events in Frozen.

Let it go bosk1.

I'm with Hef.  Don't you want to see how she handles after they defeated Thanos?  I do. 

Of course like Hef stated, I'm still seeing it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on December 08, 2019, 04:12:38 PM


And yeah, we're going to get a back-story of sorts - she is afterall, dead.  Doesn't make sense to have a movie about her in the "now".   :lol

I was kind of hoping they'd go further back in the back story part and do a story on whatever the heck happened in Budapest.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on December 08, 2019, 04:29:08 PM
Personally, I think Budapest should remain unseen. It's much more interesting and effective as a Noodle Incident than it would be if it were explicated.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 08, 2019, 04:32:22 PM
Personally, I think Budapest should remain unseen. It's much more interesting and effective as a Noodle Incident than it would be if it were explicated.

I agree. Best case scenario is they show us and we say "Oh...fair enough."

Our imaginations are going to do a better job than whatever they could show us.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on December 08, 2019, 06:21:04 PM
On the flip side, it's one of the most interesting things they could add to the film, imo.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 08, 2019, 09:30:02 PM
3rd episode of The Runaways.   I like it so far.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 09, 2019, 10:50:28 AM
I watched Captain marvel twice this week, once with commentary and once without. I still love the character and LOVE Brie's portrayal of her. The little looks she gives with her eyes and the occasional dry smile make me feel ways. Okay, so I just have a crush on Brie Larson. But I still think the movie is super fun.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2019, 10:56:14 AM
I enjoyed it on first viewing, but it doesn't have any repeat value for me at all.  That and a few storytelling missteps bring it to the bottom of the MCU catalog for me. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 09, 2019, 10:59:02 AM
I enjoyed it on first viewing, but it doesn't have any repeat value for me at all.  That and a few storytelling missteps bring it to the bottom of the MCU catalog for me.

I will say the whole origin story stuff makes it really hard for me to go back to many "entry" MCU films (Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Captain America, etc...), but there are a couple ensemble movies I don't replay either (Guardians 2, Avengers 2...). I chalk it up to Brie being fine as hell and Sam Jackson being funny.  :lol

But I will say I don't think Marvel could release a film as boring or forgettable as The Incredible Hulk or the first two Thors...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2019, 11:13:30 AM
Like Captain Marvel, I really enjoyed Thor at the time, but saw it fade away in terms of replay value.  But where it considerably edges out Captain Marvel for me is in that, while it isn't the greatest story and may not have the greatest execution, it was incredibly important both in terms of setting up the coming together of the Avengers and setting the stage for the earth to be alerted to cosmic threats, AND in terms of Thor's overall, long-term character arc.  With both of those things as context, I enjoy it on the rare occasions I revisit it.  But that said, with all the quality films they have put out, I still put it down near the bottom.

I never had much of an issue with Thor 2.  I would easily put it above CM, GOTG2, the first Thor, Hulk, and possibly IM2 and Black Panther.

But you know, again coming back to CM, I guess the issue I have with it is that it feels lower tier and right at home with the films I just mentioned.  But unlike at least the phase 1 films on that list (and possibly GOTG2, although I think CM is a better overall film than that one), it doesn't have that important emotional character arc aspect going for it to elevate it a bit beyond itself.  At least, not yet.  But again, that isn't necessarily a "problem" for me either.  The MCU has, overall, been fantastic, and I have no problem with every single film not being five-star.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on December 09, 2019, 12:02:41 PM
I think one of the comments I heard about CM was that it would have been a great Phase 1 movie, that this movie could've been released right before Avengers 1 and still fit the story (and also avoid the confusion during the pots-credit of Infinity Ward when most of the audience had no idea what Fury did).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on December 09, 2019, 12:23:34 PM
My biggest problem with Captain Marvel (the movie) is that it just doesn't engage me.  I won't go as far as saying it's boring, but a lot of it seems to just be there, giving us backstory and glorious green-screen scenes that look really nice, but is just paint by numbers plot.  The initial misdirection with her and the Kree was interesting, and important.  But Yon-Rogg was weird.  I couldn't tell if he was just an asshole, or was testing her, or somehow was going to end up betraying her or something, and it turns out it was all of the above.  It doesn't help that I've never liked Jude Law.  Nothing against him, I suppose, but he's like the male equivalent of a pretty blonde who can't act worth shit, but looks so good that people just don't care.  His characters all feel the same to me.  I like Annette Bening a lot, and they managed to make her boring as well (still a babe tho).  The backstory stuff with Fury and Coulson was fun, and the twist with Talos, but when the best part of an origin story is the side stories, you have a problem.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 09, 2019, 12:39:15 PM
My biggest problem with Captain Marvel (the movie) is that it just doesn't engage me.  I won't go as far as saying it's boring, but a lot of it seems to just be there, giving us backstory and glorious green-screen scenes that look really nice, but is just paint by numbers plot.  The initial misdirection with her and the Kree was interesting, and important.  But Yon-Rogg was weird.  I couldn't tell if he was just an asshole, or was testing her, or somehow was going to end up betraying her or something, and it turns out it was all of the above.  It doesn't help that I've never liked Jude Law.  Nothing against him, I suppose, but he's like the male equivalent of a pretty blonde who can't act worth shit, but looks so good that people just don't care.  His characters all feel the same to me.  I like Annette Bening a lot, and they managed to make her boring as well (still a babe tho).  The backstory stuff with Fury and Coulson was fun, and the twist with Talos, but when the best part of an origin story is the side stories, you have a problem.

Nailed it!!!! These are my sentiments exactly.

Were this to have been one of the first Marvel Movies released it would have fallen flat on it's face. The 'power' and recognition of all the other movies combined powered this one IMO. On it's own.....it's pretty blah....
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 09, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
I dunno guys, I think Captain Marvel is better than Captain America in almost every way. I can't stand the first Cap film, or the first Thor film (or its sequel), or any of the Hulk movies, and even Ant-Man's first film was meh to me, but Captain Marvel is a pretty good one... tastes!  :biggrin:  :corn
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 09, 2019, 02:18:20 PM
I can't stand the first Cap film
WTF
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on December 09, 2019, 02:21:50 PM
I just watched The first Captain America movie, and I still don't see the problem with it.

Although, It does have that really bad expository line by Bucky though, saying his own name.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 09, 2019, 02:25:46 PM
I can't stand the first Cap film
WTF

Man, it just sucks, sorry dude. I don't like anything about it. Boring story and characters, ugly visuals, awful villain with terrible makeup. Only reason I can see any interest in it in hindsight is due to the Tesseract.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 02:27:56 PM
I just watched The first Captain America movie, and I still don't see the problem with it.

Although, It does have that really bad expository line by Bucky though, saying his own name.

My only real issue with it is that it's basically a bookmark movie. Great job becoming Cap, great job getting him into the ice (mostly) but they really skipped over the entire 1940's life of Cap. Based solely on the movie, he was Cap battling Nazis for like 3 weeks. I wanted more of that, I wanted to see him be an awesome Cap. Not sure they could have done that in one movie though, and they needed him in the present for the Avengers, but it felt like a lot of really cool stuff wasn't put in there for that reason.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 02:28:13 PM
I can't stand the first Cap film
WTF

Man, it just sucks, sorry dude. I don't like anything about it. Boring story and characters, ugly visuals, awful villain with terrible makeup. Only reason I can see any interest in it in hindsight is due to the Tesseract.

Okay Stadler.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 09, 2019, 02:29:48 PM
Dude, I don't even like Winter Soldier. I know my takes are hot.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 02:30:56 PM
Dude, I don't even like Winter Soldier. I know my takes are hot.  :lol

Hotter than 90's Winona Ryder.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on December 09, 2019, 02:41:07 PM
I can't stand the first Cap film
WTF

Man, it just sucks, sorry dude. I don't like anything about it. Boring story and characters, ugly visuals, awful villain with terrible makeup. Only reason I can see any interest in it in hindsight is due to the Tesseract.

Okay Stadler.

WAIT, what? 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on December 09, 2019, 02:51:33 PM
I just watched The first Captain America movie, and I still don't see the problem with it.

Although, It does have that really bad expository line by Bucky though, saying his own name.

My only real issue with it is that it's basically a bookmark movie. Great job becoming Cap, great job getting him into the ice (mostly) but they really skipped over the entire 1940's life of Cap. Based solely on the movie, he was Cap battling Nazis for like 3 weeks. I wanted more of that, I wanted to see him be an awesome Cap. Not sure they could have done that in one movie though, and they needed him in the present for the Avengers, but it felt like a lot of really cool stuff wasn't put in there for that reason.

I would have liked more Red Skull.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 02:56:19 PM
I can't stand the first Cap film
WTF

Man, it just sucks, sorry dude. I don't like anything about it. Boring story and characters, ugly visuals, awful villain with terrible makeup. Only reason I can see any interest in it in hindsight is due to the Tesseract.

Okay Stadler.

WAIT, what?

Cause I disagree with him so much. Get it?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 09, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
These days I can't tell Adami and bosk apart.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 09, 2019, 04:57:52 PM
Adami is the handsome one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 09:01:12 PM
Sup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 09, 2019, 09:08:39 PM
There are NO BAD MARVEL FILMS. 

There are some that are only just "good", there are some that are "I liked it but it was nothing special", but there are NO BAD MARVEL FILMS.

EDIT - But there are some very bad DC films.  ;D
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 09, 2019, 09:09:02 PM
Yeah there are.

 :corn

take the bait
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 09, 2019, 09:10:26 PM
I know you are, but what am I?    :angel: ::) :P :xbones :yarr :corn
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 09, 2019, 09:10:53 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 09, 2019, 09:24:00 PM
Starting Episode 4 of the Runaways.   Just one yes/no question I have and I don't want spoilers.

It is an official addition to the MCU...do they ever mention it or call to it in any way?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 09:44:54 PM
Starting Episode 4 of the Runaways.   Just one yes/no question I have and I don't want spoilers.

It is an official addition to the MCU...do they ever mention it or call to it in any way?

It’s as much a part of the MCU as any other tv show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 09, 2019, 09:51:15 PM
Starting Episode 4 of the Runaways.   Just one yes/no question I have and I don't want spoilers.

It is an official addition to the MCU...do they ever mention it or call to it in any way?

It’s as much a part of the MCU as any other tv show.

Daredevil directly references the Battle of NY. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 09:54:03 PM
Starting Episode 4 of the Runaways.   Just one yes/no question I have and I don't want spoilers.

It is an official addition to the MCU...do they ever mention it or call to it in any way?

It’s as much a part of the MCU as any other tv show.

Daredevil directly references the Battle of NY. 

Yup. Most of these shows reference something to some degree. Cloak and Dagger reference the Netflix shows. Runaways connects to cloak and dagger. And none of them. At all. Matter to the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 10, 2019, 12:36:38 PM
Dude, I don't even like Winter Soldier.
WTF
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 10, 2019, 12:40:04 PM
Dude, I don't even like Winter Soldier.
WTF

It's just another boring humdrum beat-'em-up action flick to me. I don't like those kinds of movies very much. Replace Captain America with Jason Statham or something, it's the same movie
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 10, 2019, 12:44:48 PM
Dude, I don't even like Winter Soldier.
WTF

It's just another boring humdrum beat-'em-up action flick to me. I don't like those kinds of movies very much. Replace Captain America with Jason Statham or something, it's the same movie
The action, while visceral, is largely incidental.  It isn't the point of the movie.

It's a political thriller, more akin to The Manchurian Candidate or Three Days of the Condor than Die Hard.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 10, 2019, 12:48:25 PM
Dude, I don't even like Winter Soldier.
WTF

It's just another boring humdrum beat-'em-up action flick to me. I don't like those kinds of movies very much. Replace Captain America with Jason Statham or something, it's the same movie
The action, while visceral, is largely incidental.  It isn't the point of the movie.

It's a political thriller, more akin to The Manchurian Candidate or Three Days of the Condor than Die Hard.

I know what the film is about, I've seen it more than a couple times. :) I just don't like it. I don't like the action side of it, which I probably would if it had heroes I was more interested in, and I don't particularly like the plot side of it either. I just think it's a boring movie all around (I have never once found myself caring about Bucky or Sam, or even Cap) - every time I've watched it I've hoped either the plot would compel me to stay interested where the action did not, or vice versa, and it just doesn't click with me. I also think it's too long...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 10, 2019, 02:57:50 PM
Perhaps you should consider the DC films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 10, 2019, 03:01:29 PM
I was thinking Superfriends.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2019, 03:02:15 PM
I was thinking Superfriends.  :dunno:

The show about us? I can see that.



Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 10, 2019, 03:03:25 PM
Perhaps you should consider the DC films.

I have good news for you, friend: I've seen them all. Most of them in theaters, even.

Dr. Strange is more my type of Marvel movie than The Winter Soldier.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 10, 2019, 03:24:19 PM
I was thinking Superfriends.  :dunno:
The original, with Wendy, Marvin, and Wonderdog?  Or perhaps the Zan & Jayna version?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 10, 2019, 06:56:27 PM
Mike Goddamnit,  I will now inundate you with posts mocking you for hating on the best MCU movie do far.


DAMN YOU YOU STINKING MEATLEHEAD!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 10, 2019, 07:44:57 PM
Mike Goddamnit,  I will now inundate you with posts mocking you for hating on the best MCU movie do far.


DAMN YOU YOU STINKING MEATLEHEAD!

 :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 10, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
 :biggrin:

I love you but

W

T

F!

LOL
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 10, 2019, 08:08:24 PM
IT'S BORING!! I'M SORRY!!  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 10, 2019, 08:14:46 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/VNg5kZLK/d8a-1.gif) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 10, 2019, 08:20:59 PM
I love you both.   :angel: :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 14, 2019, 09:34:04 PM
Just finished Season 1 of The Runaways.   The writing was WAAAAYYYY more cheesy and "soap opera"-esque than The Inhumans, but the characters were more fleshed out...so it's a wash.    I like it enough to continue to Season 2.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 16, 2019, 07:22:48 AM
Aaaaaaaand just discovered last night that D+ doesn’t have season 2!  :\ :yeahright :tdwn :facepalm:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 16, 2019, 07:28:18 AM
Aaaaaaaand just discovered last night that D+ doesn’t have season 2!  :\ :yeahright :tdwn :facepalm:

Hulu does, since it's a HULU show.

I'm actually 4 episodes away from finishing season 3. Honestly, it's mostly terrible, but the 2nd half is a bit of an improvement. Cleavage Le Fay hasn't been much of a villain yet, but we'll see what they do with her.


They really need to just rename this show "Flawed Parents Just Doing Their Best and also their kids....I guess"

Since this is hardly about the Runaways and mostly about the parents/family units.

I dunno, I just don't like this show outside of a casting Gert and about 80% of how they portray Nico (at least in the later seasons).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 16, 2019, 07:43:53 AM
I dunno if these are fan-made, or legit, but they're pretty cool none-the-less.  Found 'em from Queenshmegland's re-sharing of a fanclub FB page.

(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/79660459_561781037735940_6438252454554370048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=kq0r3-lvu64AQltJtfMGT4svH9yiJ7DfHmJuWqQhQk0yp6FGeGwlf_9Xw&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=ad7242e4fa039d24565054ae6c833351&oe=5E749B9F)
(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78723600_561781187735925_6424397903669755904_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=-EaPC_pRduEAQnRvqKzfwME1Gjad4INQbMF6uXJTZtYLaZElxvya50ckw&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=aa10e7e9252dd5f5fb7ac4db84a75798&oe=5E682F30)
(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/79411062_561781257735918_7939918401583972352_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=6bbIyn0WwsAAQknrSlDKRRXAP5VUzlSTBoTSZnWVC9bOZO6dxhukgh-HA&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=8704feaa0d7c070726900b731d142306&oe=5E816A18)
(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/79824945_561781297735914_2182058147617701888_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=PYWTSTjsgeAAQnamptv4jWxwbj2NAtd6UZQ1P69hF98p9TSpK5dQ1lcqA&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=3f1df4973821ad3fe9ec442db3db4369&oe=5E819DFC)
(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/79851968_561781367735907_7139193634112405504_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=vzAJ4HGdeswAQkR4CeCw2TAe8WZkRzLlS6EsA-ze5pP09HyqTl1z4CP9A&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=d9c79732657165695d4904252ef6fe24&oe=5EAD37B8)
(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/79392308_561781707735873_5694223239664893952_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=q3DMebMrquYAQnwJr07dFrBIYgvqM2xkdxbT8kBqnGNkvJtxzwR-G0ROQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=a1b634826c31ae4876f5f571bb7bd270&oe=5E83744E)
(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/79971660_561781864402524_3087416199684816896_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=JebJ96ngNlkAQkiSAZBhl8tiNf9GzXelnqCa4M9P7dZ8ACQEgUo4xbatQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=bc97c9a7023ec735f86407a1123de3fc&oe=5EAF87EE)
(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78898483_561781911069186_1751414537195618304_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=amU5glAYI-0AQlIluQulanuRnM4RGmEEplaJh3cJkax5AXQ_45LwsCe-Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=5082997b5c6b34f14387cb65db907103&oe=5E7AC5A0)
(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/79156591_561781997735844_1113082088048820224_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=MJnhO2e_z6IAQmpwNCFy0t5pP7-tdDZPaYjHl9mqv_98ihFJyehZ4_MpA&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=a1eaeb1b166450599513784f240723ab&oe=5E67D789)


Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 16, 2019, 07:45:35 AM
All very cool.

All completely fan-made.



And oddly? A lot of fan-made Marvel posters are WAY better than legit Marvel posters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on December 16, 2019, 08:34:28 AM
Guardians 3, Thor 4, Shang-Chi all look dope. Even that Dr. Strange one looks good although I don't currently like Scarlet Witch much beyond her powers
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 16, 2019, 08:35:03 AM
Definitely fan made.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 16, 2019, 08:57:34 AM
Definitely fan made.

I was 95% certain of this, but ya never know.  Still pretty damned good, imo.  Looking closer, I should've noticed that some of them have the company/brand of the designer.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on December 16, 2019, 08:18:02 PM
Is that supposed to be Doom in the Black Panther 2 poster?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 17, 2019, 06:59:53 AM
Is that supposed to be Doom in the Black Panther 2 poster?

It sure looks that way, eh?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 17, 2019, 07:08:00 AM
Yup! A very....poorly done version of Doom.

And also Namor. That'd be interesting, but way too much for one movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 17, 2019, 07:12:09 AM
Yup! A very....poorly done version of Doom.

And also Namor. That'd be interesting, but way too much for one movie.

I'm not familiar with Black Panther comics... was Doom a regular villain?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on December 21, 2019, 04:37:32 PM
I rewatched Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 recently. I haven't seen them since they were in theaters. Neither of them are bad, but Thor 2 can get boring in parts. My opinion hasn't changed about Kat Dennings. The Mandarin twist never bothered me. I also recently watched Avengers again, and sadly, it's starting to look very dated. Not so much the sfx, but the overall look is off. Marvel has improved greatly since then.

I rewatched Infinity War and Endgame again. So good. Not without their flaws, but almost perfect. The acting, score, action. I can't get enough of these movies. I guess thia is how Chino feels about Avatar.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: SoundscapeMN on December 29, 2019, 08:39:15 PM
finished Season/Final Season of Marvel's Runaways.

I guess there's not a lot of fans around here, but I happen to really enjoyed a lot of the show.

I primarily checked it out given BRIAN K VAUGHAN was 1 of the creators of the Graphic Novel series. And I also figured if it is successful, it would support the long-awaited adaptation of Y: The Last Man.

I enjoyed the final season, although not as much as the 1st 2 Seasons. It seemed kind of obvious they introduced a couple of new plot-lines in the 2nd half of the season given they were not going to be renewed for a 4th season. But I guess other than not fully explaining what happened to the Aliens and the baby that Xavin took back to her Homeworld, the last episode kind of wrapped up many of the loose ends. Although it felt very much like an homage/tribute to Back to the Future or The DS9 episode "The Visitor." But so be it, it was kind of fun to watch.

I am curious what some of the cast may do next. Perhaps show up in some of the other MCU shows, or possibly something else Brian K Vaughan does like Y: The Last Man or Paper Girls which I guess is also in the works to be adapted for television soon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on December 29, 2019, 08:54:43 PM
I rewatched Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 recently. I haven't seen them since they were in theaters. Neither of them are bad, but Thor 2 can get boring in parts. My opinion hasn't changed about Kat Dennings. The Mandarin twist never bothered me. I also recently watched Avengers again, and sadly, it's starting to look very dated. Not so much the sfx, but the overall look is off. Marvel has improved greatly since then.

I rewatched Infinity War and Endgame again. So good. Not without their flaws, but almost perfect. The acting, score, action. I can't get enough of these movies. I guess thia is how Chino feels about Avatar.

You've underlined the reason I think that the MCU is one of the greatest achievements in all of cinematic history.   Even the WORST of a 23 movie run is at least "not horrible".    How many franchises can make that claim?   

I maintain that only Bond has made as many movies in the same "universe"...and most franchises with less movies have made at least one true "stinker".   (the Bond franchise has made more than one)

That alone makes the MCU something extremely special, and I'm not sure everyone appreciates the big picture. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on January 07, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
There are rumors that Christina Bale might be part of Thor: Love and Thunder. Wonder whole his character would be  ???
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on January 07, 2020, 02:21:57 PM
There are rumors that Christina Bale might be part of Thor: Love and Thunder. Wonder whole his character would be  ???

Did you just assume her gender?  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on January 07, 2020, 02:51:56 PM
There are rumors that Christina Bale might be part of Thor: Love and Thunder. Wonder whole his character would be  ???

I'M BATM... whoops, wrong universe.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on January 07, 2020, 05:10:19 PM
There are rumors that Christina Bale might be part of Thor: Love and Thunder. Wonder whole his character would be  ???

Did you just assume her gender?  :lol

 :facepalm: :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on January 10, 2020, 02:10:27 PM
Looks like Doctor Strange 2 is need of a new director as Scott Derrickson drops out (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-director-scott-derrickson-drops-out-marvel-1203462569/)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 10, 2020, 02:13:17 PM
Looks like Doctor Strange 2 is need of a new director as Scott Derrickson drops out (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-director-scott-derrickson-drops-out-marvel-1203462569/)

Yea, can't say that's too shocking. Their SDCC comments hinted at that.

SD: We're making a FULL ON HORROR MOVIE!

KF: Ehhhhhh but it'll still be PG-13 and fun marvel good times!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on January 10, 2020, 02:21:52 PM
I've seen PG-13 horror and, well, I just hope it's better than that. When they revealed it and labeled it as 'closest to a horror movie Marvel fans will have yet seen' or however they worded it, I was hoping for a really dark, visceral sort of film. I hope it's not Disney-fied "horror"... just horror.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MoraWintersoul on January 10, 2020, 03:52:18 PM
Christina Bale
Kristianne Baille (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POcuiqRTbnM)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 14, 2020, 12:01:57 PM
Methinks this is a new Black Widow 'trailer'.  Not much new to see though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1eykFE1fSA
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 14, 2020, 12:29:34 PM
I hate to say it, but, by and large, Marvel doesn't excite me anymore.  From Iron Man through the end of the Infinity Saga (including the Spiderman FFH "coda"), I was completely onboard with anything and everything Marvel.  But it all just kind of feels "done" for me.  That doesn't mean I won't still be excited about select things, or that I probably won't see Black Widow and a lot of the other upcoming Marvel content.  But it just doesn't excite me and rise to the level of "must-see" content that phases 1-3 of the MCU were. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on January 14, 2020, 12:41:31 PM
To be fair, each phase had it's own unique aspect to be excited about.

Phase 1, everything was new and exciting.
Phase 2, the new characters and cross overs, plus hinting to what was coming on Phase 3.
Phase 3 was just awesome.

To me, the story ended on phase 3, everything we had been building for finally came true with Infinity War and Endgame after so many movies. We are in limbo with these new movies since we can expect the crossover of characters, but we don't know what the bigger picture will be.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on January 14, 2020, 01:10:03 PM
I mean Black Widow is one of the least interesting Avengers anyway so I don't blame anyone for being lukewarm on the MCU currently

But Shang-Chi, Dr. Strange 2, Guardians 3, c'mon, lots of goodness to come later

I thought phase 2 was kind of dry and boring personally but it still had a couple goodies
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 14, 2020, 01:43:46 PM
To be fair, each phase had it's own unique aspect to be excited about.

Phase 1, everything was new and exciting.
Phase 2, the new characters and cross overs, plus hinting to what was coming on Phase 3.
Phase 3 was just awesome.

To me, the story ended on phase 3, everything we had been building for finally came true with Infinity War and Endgame after so many movies. We are in limbo with these new movies since we can expect the crossover of characters, but we don't know what the bigger picture will be.

Yeah, I don't disagree with that much.  Except that, for me, the excitement in phase 1 wasn't that "everything was new and exciting."  In fact, for me, the first few films weren't exciting for me in concept much at all, since they involved characters I was only lukewarm about.  For me, it was the promise of the upcoming crossover(s) and hinting at bigger connections, which up to that point, hadn't really been done in a movie universe before.  I hadn't read Iron Man comics, and didn't think the character was all that interesting.  But it was supposedly a superhero movie that was pretty well done, so that was cool.  And then that post-credit scene mentioned "other heroes" and the Avengers initiative."  That got me and others excited.  I had not idea what it would look like or how it would work, but if they could do some sort of crossover and have an Avengers  team, that would be pretty cool. 

Then Hulk came out.  I wasn't really excited about that movie, specifically.  I didn't care for the character.  And the prior Hulk movie was okay, but not great.  And was this a sequel?  A reboot?  Not sure.  Oh, but the post-credit scene doubles down on "a team is being put together."  :omg:  They're serious about this!

Iron Man 2 excited me.  The first one was good.  And they started sprinkling in new characters, like Black Widow.  And...Mjolnir!  IT'S ON!

Thor:  I didn't care that it wasn't great as a movie.  I had always loved the character, and just the fact that they were doing a Thor movie was enough for me.

Captain America:  Holy crap!  I liked, but didn't love the character in the comics.  But, man, they were going to great lengths to truly build a credible Avengers team.  This was going to be spectacular!

Then Avengers was SO well done, and we got the teaser of Thanos in the end credits scene.  Couple that with the other films in phase 2, and it was clear we were moving toward infinity war.  And off we went.  At that point, I didn't really overly care which movie was next and get too wound about about specific plots.  It was all about the bigger story and how we were doing to get there, and it was largely all very cool.

I mean Black Widow is one of the least interesting Avengers anyway so I don't blame anyone for being lukewarm on the MCU currently

But Shang-Chi, Dr. Strange 2, Guardians 3, c'mon, lots of goodness to come later

I thought phase 2 was kind of dry and boring personally but it still had a couple goodies

In and of themselves, none of those interest me.  I'm not saying there is anything "bad" about that lineup.  But they are characters and storylines that, on their face, I don't have any emotional investment in.  And without any hint a a bigger, overall storyline, there isn't that big arc to get me excited either.  That said, as I've mentioned before, Marvel has done so well with their storylines in the past with characters I didn't much care for either.  So I'm not ruling out getting sucked back in and enjoying every minute of it.  It's just that, as of right now, for my particular tastes, there just isn't really any hook yet.  Maybe there will be.  But I'm just not excited now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on January 14, 2020, 05:05:00 PM
I hate to say it, but, by and large, Marvel doesn't excite me anymore.  From Iron Man through the end of the Infinity Saga (including the Spiderman FFH "coda"), I was completely onboard with anything and everything Marvel.  But it all just kind of feels "done" for me.  That doesn't mean I won't still be excited about select things, or that I probably won't see Black Widow and a lot of the other upcoming Marvel content.  But it just doesn't excite me and rise to the level of "must-see" content that phases 1-3 of the MCU were.

Sad to say, but I feel the same way. They're trying different things and taking risks with new characters in the next few years, which I respect, but it doesn't feel exciting to me at all anymore.


To me, the story ended on phase 3, everything we had been building for finally came true with Infinity War and Endgame after so many movies. We are in limbo with these new movies since we can expect the crossover of characters, but we don't know what the bigger picture will be.

That's the issue for me right now. They clearly have it all perfectly connected and thought of, but nothing that has been announced so far feels like it's going anywhere with the rest of the movies and tv shows they've been working on for phase 4. I'm sure, though, that BW will have some hints for things to come, as they always do that.


I mean Black Widow is one of the least interesting Avengers anyway so I don't blame anyone for being lukewarm on the MCU currently

But Shang-Chi, Dr. Strange 2, Guardians 3, c'mon, lots of goodness to come later

I'd actually take the BW movie any day over the Shang-Chi or Eternals movies as these are characters most of us know nothing about. It just feels, so far, that the new stuff they're working on (vs sequels or continuations of sorts) isn't as interesting/appealing as the previous stuff we saw in phases 1-3.

I'm sure that once we know more about the bigger storyline they are building for phase 4 and beyond we'll either get very very excited or just completely lose any interest we might still have, but that might take a couple years to happen.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 14, 2020, 05:15:43 PM
I hate to say it, but, by and large, Marvel doesn't excite me anymore.  From Iron Man through the end of the Infinity Saga (including the Spiderman FFH "coda"), I was completely onboard with anything and everything Marvel.  But it all just kind of feels "done" for me.  That doesn't mean I won't still be excited about select things, or that I probably won't see Black Widow and a lot of the other upcoming Marvel content.  But it just doesn't excite me and rise to the level of "must-see" content that phases 1-3 of the MCU were.

Sad to say, but I feel the same way. They're trying different things and taking risks with new characters in the next few years, which I respect, but it doesn't feel exciting to me at all anymore.

Yeah, exactly.  But I also don't mind that I feel that way.  Even if the MCU going forward doesn't end up pleasantly surprising me as the MCU past frequently did, I'm perfectly content with what we got up to this point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on January 14, 2020, 05:30:08 PM
How did ya'll feel at the beginning of the MCU? I was just thinking about this. I couldn't have cared less about Captain America when it came out - still saw it in theaters though, because nothing else was out that looked good - and I didn't care at all for the Thor movies, but after they came out I started to dig the characters and their roles in the films. Maybe the same will happen again, for you folks, with this new set of characters they're working on. Hopefully you still see them and they're pleasant surprises!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on January 14, 2020, 05:40:51 PM
How did ya'll feel at the beginning of the MCU? I was just thinking about this. I couldn't have cared less about Captain America when it came out - still saw it in theaters though, because nothing else was out that looked good - and I didn't care at all for the Thor movies, but after they came out I started to dig the characters and their roles in the films. Maybe the same will happen again, for you folks, with this new set of characters they're working on. Hopefully you still see them and they're pleasant surprises!

I don't remember much, really. I was 13 at the time the first IM was released (2008) and I do have some memories of going to the theater with my dad to see it, but as he really isn't into these kinds of films we didn't catch most of the first few of them. I don't think I knew anything about the post credit scenes or the big unified plot at first, maybe my classmates at school didn't know much about it either. I still to this day haven't watched the Hulk movie because there was a previous one that I remember not liking at all.

There was a turning point after that, which I don't recall either, but I remember that by the time Avengers was going to be released I had already become a full MCU fan.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on January 15, 2020, 06:25:39 AM
It wasn't until Phase 3 that MCU movies became must see for me. I'm hopeful that the next round of superheros will contain some pleasant surprises and the overarching story will build like it did up to Infinity War and Endgame. I'm sure I'll get pulled into the new stuff eventually like I did in Phase 3, but I'm with you all that I'm not super excited about the upcoming movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on January 15, 2020, 10:41:25 AM
How did ya'll feel at the beginning of the MCU? I was just thinking about this. I couldn't have cared less about Captain America when it came out - still saw it in theaters though, because nothing else was out that looked good - and I didn't care at all for the Thor movies, but after they came out I started to dig the characters and their roles in the films. Maybe the same will happen again, for you folks, with this new set of characters they're working on. Hopefully you still see them and they're pleasant surprises!
I saw Iron Man when it came out and thought it was fine. At the time, the Raimi Spider-Man holy trilogy was the gold standard for superhero movies and I didn't think (at still don't think) the first Iron Man is quite that good. I didn't see anything else until Avengers, which I kinda liked but didn't fully appreciate, then I went back and watched the other pre-Avengers films and thought they were meh. I still think they're meh. But Phase 2 definitely took it up a notch, and Phase 3 another notch.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 15, 2020, 10:57:28 AM
How did ya'll feel at the beginning of the MCU? I was just thinking about this. I couldn't have cared less about Captain America when it came out - still saw it in theaters though, because nothing else was out that looked good - and I didn't care at all for the Thor movies, but after they came out I started to dig the characters and their roles in the films. Maybe the same will happen again, for you folks, with this new set of characters they're working on. Hopefully you still see them and they're pleasant surprises!
I saw Iron Man when it came out and thought it was fine. At the time, the Raimi Spider-Man holy trilogy was the gold standard for superhero movies and I didn't think (at still don't think) the first Iron Man is quite that good. I didn't see anything else until Avengers, which I kinda liked but didn't fully appreciate, then I went back and watched the other pre-Avengers films and thought they were meh. I still think they're meh. But Phase 2 definitely took it up a notch, and Phase 3 another notch.

I thought it was easily as good.  And that pleasantly surprised me because, (1) as you said, Spider Man (well, the first one anyway) was the gold standard, and I really love that film, and (2) as I said, I was not an Iron Man fan at all from the comics.  But Iron Man was fantastic and set a very high bar.  It and Captain America were both VERY good standalone phase 1 films.  And while I thought IM2, Hulk, and Thor were just "good," seeing them working together to the buildup that would be Avengers took them to another level outside of their merit as stand-alones.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 15, 2020, 11:03:38 AM
**************MILD Eternals spoiler below.  Not much of one, because it only discusses when the film's story supposedly takes place, not any other plot details**************



I remember reading awhile back that The Eternals film was supposed to be set thousands of years in the past.  But according to a recent article (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/eternals-synopsis-released-teasing-villains-121631134.html), the eternals were sent to earth as its protectors thousands of years ago, but the events in Endgame had consequences that are going to force them out of hiding.  So, apparently, the film has two major settings in time: the origin thousands of years ago, and present day (after Endgame).  Interesting.  If they were sent as earth's protectors, I am curious how credible the explanation will be as to why they didn't get involved in some of the HUGE threats to the earth's existence that we saw unfold in the past 3 phases.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on January 15, 2020, 11:05:37 AM
I really enjoyed Iron Man 1. I remember me and my best friend decided to go see it after seeing commercials on TV and we were blown the f away. We didn't know about the post-credits stuff until I think... Iron Man 2 or 3? So we weren't really sure Avengers was even a possibility. The first film definitely made me interested in Iron Man; my whole life up to that point I just kinda thought Tony Stark was a douche and Iron Man was lame, but the movie made him look awesome.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 21, 2020, 03:42:33 PM
Few thoughts...

1) I totally understand most of you not being over the moon excited about phase 4 at the moment. I mean...why SHOULD you be? You have a prequel with a dead character that was never the biggest deal, a movie about a huge group of characters we don't know at all, a kung fu guy we don't know, etc. There's no reason TO be excited right now. So not being pumped isn't a bad sign. It's just reality. Phase 1 likely didn't have everyone pumped either. We knew about The Avenger initiative at the end of Iron Man 1, but between that and The Avengers, the only thing that tied everything together was them fighting as a team. That was it. It wasn't until 4 years later in Avengers that we even saw Thanos. And in Phase 2, Thanos was basically a background idea. The stones were only really present in Thor 2 and stuff. So most of Phase 2 wasn't directly about Thanos or the stones. Phase 3 is really where it started tying together. The reason it all worked was because were introduced to these characters and fell in love with them. The plot wouldn't have worked if we weren't invested in the characters. Look at Justice League. No one cared because no one cared. So Phase 4 will likely be like phase 1. A lot of character introductions, so we can start investing again. START investing. So it's cool that you're not super excited, I don't think you're supposed to be yet.

2) Pic of US Agent in the Falcon and Winter Soldier show looks pretty awesome.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1WEuDXsAEObGM?format=jpg&name=large)

3) Lastly, I'd like to bring up the idea of how to use Magneto and Professor X in the MCU. There's a major issue that Magneto faces that almost no one else has. He is directly tied to a specific time in history. He was a child of the Holocaust. Meaning he had to be born in the early to mid 30's at the VERY latest. With Cap, you can just always extend how long he was frozen and you're good. With Stark, you can change the war since it was never necessarily Vietnam that defined him, just a war. But Magneto...it's the Holocaust, not just a war. If they wait til mid to late 2020's to bring him in, character will necessarily be about 90 years old or so. So what are your guys' thoughts on how to do that? Prof X can be from any era, but generally he has to be the flip side to Magneto, so they have to be relatively close in age to each other. I'm thinking maybe civil rights era stuff and they both be black? I'm just struggling to figure out how to make Magneto the character make sense in the 2020's.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 21, 2020, 03:45:31 PM
They could...just do an X-Men arc that doesn't include Magneto?  There's plenty of story to be told that has nothing to do with him.

If they are bent on including him, I think they'll just have to drastically alter his origin story.  Not sure whether it will work and people will buy in.  We'll just have to see, I guess.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 21, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
They could...just do an X-Men arc that doesn't include Magneto?  There's plenty of story to be told that has nothing to do with him.

If they are bent on including him, I think they'll just have to drastically alter his origin story.  Not sure whether it will work and people will buy in.  We'll just have to see, I guess.

At first, totally. But eventually? I feel like they can't just never do him. But it's always possible I guess.

Plus, don't be a spoil sport! It was just a fun conversation starter.
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Post by: Orbert on January 21, 2020, 04:10:52 PM
That scene with young Eric in the camps, being dragged away as he pulls the fence behind him, is iconic, and I agree that the character of Magneto is in some ways defined by that moment.  To revise his backstory would cause some fans to scream bloody murder, no matter how you did it.  The only chance you'd have at appeasing the hardcore fans would be to substitute some equally iconic event or visual.  I have no idea what that would be, and am glad I don't have to come up with it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on January 21, 2020, 04:25:32 PM
I'm no X-Men buff so pardon my ignorance but couldn't they just do a different background for Magneto instead of being stuck to the Holocaust or are there multiple incarnations of Magneto over the years that all have the same background?

I mean they completely turned Thanos around from what he was in the Infinity Gauntlet book/story arc (no mention of his family or at least Eros as far as I'm aware, not being in love with the manifestation of Death, less of a psychopath etc.) so I don't see why they couldn't just alter some of Magneto's character background to make it work...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 21, 2020, 05:06:44 PM
Ahhh... I dunno.  I'm kinda with Adami - Magneto's very being and essence is defined out of the Holocaust.
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Post by: Grappler on January 21, 2020, 06:22:53 PM
I had just read that Patrick Stewart confirmed that he had long talks with Kevin Feige about returning as Professor X in the MCU, but turned him down because he felt that the character's end in Logan was perfect.

Also read a theory that Doctor Strange and the Multiverse film is going to start laying the foundation or breadcrumbs for the X-Men to enter into the MCU.  Far From Home toyed with that idea, saying that Mysterio came from an alternate Earth.  So if Doctor Strange 2 confirms an actual Multiverse in the MCU, the X-Men can come from different earths where mutants exist.

Agents of Shield and Endgame both have time travel elements - maybe you can have a younger Magneto still appear in current times because of either a multiverse or time travel?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on January 22, 2020, 06:30:16 AM
I honestly wouldn't be opposed to them leaving the X-Men in an alternate timeline where all the other superheros don't exist. At least until it's time to a do a big crossover event like X-Men vs Avengers or something like that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 22, 2020, 07:33:59 AM
I honestly wouldn't be opposed to them leaving the X-Men in an alternate timeline where all the other superheros don't exist. At least until it's time to a do a big crossover event like X-Men vs Avengers or something like that.

That would be a great build-up to Phase 6.
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Post by: lonestar on January 30, 2020, 05:58:34 PM
We still gotta wedge in the Fantastic 4 as well. Personally I'd love to see Galactus as the big baddie in this round...with Doom as his little peeon.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on January 30, 2020, 08:38:22 PM
I'm still waiting for a Fanastic Four movie that doesn't suck.  I mean, there have been at least three attempts that I know of, and every one of them sucked.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 03, 2020, 07:59:34 AM
The Super Bowl spot for the upcoming Disney + shows was tasty.
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Post by: Adami on February 03, 2020, 08:04:42 AM
The Super Bowl spot for the upcoming Disney + shows was tasty.

Indeed! Not much of Loki, but very intrigued by the WandaVision stuff.
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Post by: jammindude on March 25, 2020, 11:01:40 PM
Using the time off to go through the MCU movies again.

I've decided that I really like Dark World.   Like...I may even like it more than Ragnarok.   In fact, I think I liked the entire MCU more before they started listening to feedback from the public.   They just had an endgame (pun intended) and they were working towards it and damn the torpedoes.   

I just love the entire MCU period.   I'm just nervous about Phase 4.   
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Post by: lonestar on March 26, 2020, 07:52:56 AM
I've done the same thing, thanks to D+. And I agree, not really sure if Phase 4 can carry the torch, or match the epicness of what they accomplished so far.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 26, 2020, 08:18:31 AM
Well, that's the rub, isn't it? If you go in with expectations that it's at all going to match the insanity of the Infinity War Saga, you're probably going to be disappointed no matter what. Who had expectations for Infinity War going into Iron Man 1? Not a single person, except that one guy somewhere who's got a wall of Marvel products from the 80s who finally got it right after 30 years of waiting.  :biggrin:

A lot of my friends are doing that same thing and I am begging them to let go of expectations and be accepting of something new. None of the original Avengers remain by the end of Endgame: Tony Stark and Black Widow are dead, Steve Rogers is an old fart who passed the Captain America torch to someone new, Bruce Banner has apparently permanently lost the use of one of his arms which although not discounting Hulk entirely severely cripples him, and Hawkeye-turned-Ronin is... a family guy now? He's always been the Meg of the Avengers anyway with his dorky arrows.  :loser:

I'm ready for a new 'big' story if they want to work up to that, and I'd prefer if they not try to match the epic insanity of the Infinity War/Thanos story. If they can organically latch onto ideas and deals and certain story beats that resonate with the audience over years and then steer it in that direction like they did with Infinity War, they might be able to pull it off, but even if they stick with something of a smaller scale, as long as they pull it off with as much gusto as they've done with almost all of the films to date, it'll be a good time. I just hope they don't try to shoehorn in a 'new Tony Stark' etc. for the new universe, which would be kind of lazy. Let Shuri and maybe still Banner latch onto the super heady science stuff, but Shuri doesn't have to be an almost omnipotent flying combat billionaire playboy philanthropist on top of it. :P Plus, not everyone from the first 3 phases is gone, plenty of them are sticking around, so there's a lot of connective tissue still there between the first epic saga and what's coming next. Stay optimistic!
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Post by: Adami on March 26, 2020, 08:23:09 AM
Well, that's the rub, isn't it? If you go in with expectations that it's at all going to match the insanity of the Infinity War Saga, you're probably going to be disappointed no matter what. Who had expectations for Infinity War going into Iron Man 1? Not a single person, except that one guy somewhere who's got a wall of Marvel products from the 80s who finally got it right after 30 years of waiting.  :biggrin:

A lot of my friends are doing that same thing and I am begging them to let go of expectations and be accepting of something new. None of the original Avengers remain by the end of Endgame: Tony Stark and Black Widow are dead, Steve Rogers is an old fart who passed the Captain America torch to someone new, Bruce Banner has apparently permanently lost the use of one of his arms which although not discounting Hulk entirely severely cripples him, and Hawkeye-turned-Ronin is... a family guy now? He's always been the Meg of the Avengers anyway with his dorky arrows.  :loser:

I'm ready for a new 'big' story if they want to work up to that, and I'd prefer if they not try to match the epic insanity of the Infinity War/Thanos story. If they can organically latch onto ideas and deals and certain story beats that resonate with the audience over years and then steer it in that direction like they did with Infinity War, they might be able to pull it off, but even if they stick with something of a smaller scale, as long as they pull it off with as much gusto as they've done with almost all of the films to date, it'll be a good time. I just hope they don't try to shoehorn in a 'new Tony Stark' etc. for the new universe, which would be kind of lazy. Let Shuri and maybe still Banner latch onto the super heady science stuff, but Shuri doesn't have to be an almost omnipotent flying combat billionaire playboy philanthropist on top of it. :P Plus, not everyone from the first 3 phases is gone, plenty of them are sticking around, so there's a lot of connective tissue still there between the first epic saga and what's coming next. Stay optimistic!

Totally agree.

It's a little like DT's 20+ min epics. Took years to get one, and we didn't know one was coming. Then when ACOS came out, were like WOAH! Then it took years and years for 8VM and no one saw it coming and again...WOAH. Then people just started wanting one every album. They became less special and became more of the benchmark. I feel like Endgame/Infinity War might become like that. It can't be the benchmark, it was its own unique thing. It took a decade to get there, and now people are upset that the next year or two won't contain something equally big. Patience. Maybe in 2029 or something we'll get something as big.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on March 26, 2020, 08:29:15 AM
That's a great comparison, Adami.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Indiscipline on March 26, 2020, 08:39:25 AM
Well, that's the rub, isn't it? If you go in with expectations that it's at all going to match the insanity of the Infinity War Saga, you're probably going to be disappointed no matter what. Who had expectations for Infinity War going into Iron Man 1? Not a single person, except that one guy somewhere who's got a wall of Marvel products from the 80s who finally got it right after 30 years of waiting.  :biggrin:

A lot of my friends are doing that same thing and I am begging them to let go of expectations and be accepting of something new. None of the original Avengers remain by the end of Endgame: Tony Stark and Black Widow are dead, Steve Rogers is an old fart who passed the Captain America torch to someone new, Bruce Banner has apparently permanently lost the use of one of his arms which although not discounting Hulk entirely severely cripples him, and Hawkeye-turned-Ronin is... a family guy now? He's always been the Meg of the Avengers anyway with his dorky arrows.  :loser:

I'm ready for a new 'big' story if they want to work up to that, and I'd prefer if they not try to match the epic insanity of the Infinity War/Thanos story. If they can organically latch onto ideas and deals and certain story beats that resonate with the audience over years and then steer it in that direction like they did with Infinity War, they might be able to pull it off, but even if they stick with something of a smaller scale, as long as they pull it off with as much gusto as they've done with almost all of the films to date, it'll be a good time. I just hope they don't try to shoehorn in a 'new Tony Stark' etc. for the new universe, which would be kind of lazy. Let Shuri and maybe still Banner latch onto the super heady science stuff, but Shuri doesn't have to be an almost omnipotent flying combat billionaire playboy philanthropist on top of it. :P Plus, not everyone from the first 3 phases is gone, plenty of them are sticking around, so there's a lot of connective tissue still there between the first epic saga and what's coming next. Stay optimistic!

Totally agree.

It's a little like DT's 20+ min epics. Took years to get one, and we didn't know one was coming. Then when ACOS came out, were like WOAH! Then it took years and years for 8VM and no one saw it coming and again...WOAH. Then people just started wanting one every album. They became less special and became more of the benchmark. I feel like Endgame/Infinity War might become like that. It can't be the benchmark, it was its own unique thing. It took a decade to get there, and now people are upset that the next year or two won't contain something equally big. Patience. Maybe in 2029 or something we'll get something as big.

Very true. Plus, at least personally but It may be a generational general feeling as well, the whole MCU operation feels like an impossible dream come true for those who were kids in the 70's and 80's. Now we know it is possible, and when the main source of amazement is taken for granted, the bulk of what is left is expectations. Said this, I can't wait to see what they have in store for the mutants.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 26, 2020, 11:56:21 AM
I don't even care if they never do anything with the mutants (which I know they will, of course).

I just watched X-Men: Dark Phoenix over the weekend, and it was fucking awful.

The best thing about Disney buying Fox is that Fox will not be making X or FF films anymore.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on March 26, 2020, 12:56:42 PM
The story of Dark Phoenix could've been executed so much better.  My biggest beef is with the actors.  Such terrible casting outside of Fasbender and McIvoy... but then of course, what they did with the characters was despicable.
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Post by: Indiscipline on March 26, 2020, 01:54:48 PM
Dark Phoenix was a disgrace and an insult to Claremont. That's why I'm rooting for the new owners to revive the franchise.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 26, 2020, 02:57:06 PM
I've seen a few X-Men movies and they were so bad they actively killed my interest in the X-Men as characters. I really don't think I can dig X-Men until Marvel brings them to life in the movies.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 26, 2020, 05:40:58 PM
I've seen a few X-Men movies and they were so bad they actively killed my interest in the X-Men as characters. I really don't think I can dig X-Men until Marvel brings them to life in the movies.

1, 2, Days of Future Past and Logan are top tier.  I personally really like Last Stand as well.  First Class and The Wolverine get a B grade.  The rest are tripe.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on March 26, 2020, 06:37:19 PM
I've seen a few X-Men movies and they were so bad they actively killed my interest in the X-Men as characters. I really don't think I can dig X-Men until Marvel brings them to life in the movies.

1, 2, Days of Future Past and Logan are top tier.  I personally really like Last Stand as well.  First Class and The Wolverine get a B grade.  The rest are tripe.

Of those, I saw 1 and 2, Logan, First Class, and one of the Wolverines, can't remember which. I know they all pretty much sucked. I remember 2 being extremely bad (in part) because they still had not quite yet 'gotten it' with superhero outfits, and honestly, just looking at the trailers for the more recent ones, I don't think whoever handled the franchise ever made the outfits actually look cool. They always look like those crummy Netflix show outfits IMO.
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Post by: Adami on March 26, 2020, 06:43:33 PM
Logan sucked?  :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on March 26, 2020, 07:22:44 PM
Yeah, what the hell. I'll admit that the villain is a bit boring, but Logan is top-tier.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on March 26, 2020, 08:16:55 PM
I should clarify that I just never really dug X-Men to begin with. Even as a kid, the 90s cartoon show was always the 'well, nothing else is on' option for me.  (Spider-man for life, son) Logan just wasn't interesting to me; it wasn't bad like X2 was, but it was bad in other ways, like being boring (just my opinion). Marvel was able to make me care about nearly every character they introduced in their movies; the X-Men films are so distracting for one reason or another (distracting visual FX/costume design, bad acting, bad script, there's apparently retconning somewhere because of X3, dear god). I know they came before Marvel but I have yet to be impressed by X-Men (edit: on film)

I say all of that not to gloat about not liking X-Men but to emphasize that I want to like them and how confident I am in Marvel to do them justice. I can't wait to see who they include, and what stories they choose to tell, and who they get to play them. All of that makes such a difference, can you imagine the Dark Phoenix storyline if Marvel had built up to it? Oh man.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
Kittylox, I do not agree with most (though definitely not all) of what you said. But I can respect it and appreciate it.

HOWEVER


....you didn't like the 90's cartoon?

THAT is a criminal offense sir. And, according to the psychological experts is the defining characteristic of insanity.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
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Post by: The Walrus on March 26, 2020, 08:32:40 PM
 :lol
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Post by: King Postwhore on March 26, 2020, 08:51:08 PM
Remind me to backhand you when I meet you then hug you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on March 27, 2020, 05:57:06 AM
I thought the X-Men movies for very good for the most part. The last two were pretty terrible...
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 27, 2020, 06:39:33 AM
IMO, the only one that was good was Logan, which was VERY good.  The rest failed, on one or multiple levels.  Several were just awful.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on March 27, 2020, 09:30:23 AM
Logan was outstanding.

I enjoyed 1,2, DoFP, Last Stand for what they were, though I think 1 gets some credit for getting the whole superhero genre a re-boot.


Dark Phoenix should've never been released.
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Post by: H2 on March 27, 2020, 09:41:45 AM
I never watched the X-Men film series (except for the first one a loooong time ago). But I love the MCU. Is the series worth watching?
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Post by: Adami on March 27, 2020, 09:43:17 AM
I never watched the X-Men film series (except for the first one a loooong time ago). But I love the MCU. Is the series worth watching?

The series? No.

Select films? Definitely.

Those select films will vary from person to person, but they mostly seem to include X-2, Logan and DOFP. X-Men the first is a great one to watch just to get an introduction to the world. You can skip X-3, First Class (if you want, that one's optional), X-Men Origins: Wolverine, The Wolverine (optional again) and the last two.
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Post by: jingle.boy on March 27, 2020, 09:51:56 AM
I think Adami is spot on with the above - except that First Class is very important in setting up Days of Future Past.  On it's own, First Class is a decent film.
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Post by: Adami on March 27, 2020, 09:54:25 AM
Yea, I'll change my tune on First Class. I loved the first and last bits but didn't care much for the bulk of the movie. Despite that, it is pretty important to see before DOFP.

Also Deadpool! See Deadpool!

And Deadpool 2. Not as good, but still a ton of fun.
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Post by: jammindude on March 29, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
I actually decided to double back to the very beginning...but skip CA:TFA (because we had seen it fairly recently)... and starting with the entire Agent Carter series, I'm going to attempt over the next month to watch the ENTIRE MCU cannon in chronological order.   

I'm not guaranteeing I'm going to pull it off.   Even over the course of a month, burnout is possible.   But for now, I'm remembering how much I adore Agent Carter.   

And just as a side observation:  Can I say how very rare it is for a very (ahem) voluptuous woman to be treated as a serious badass?   Most women with a body like Hayley Atwell are cast as bimbos or comic relief...or both.    I actually have a pet peeve about the way Hollywood casts such women, and I find it extremely refreshing that someone of her stature is treated with respect and seriousness. 

I've never made a secret of the fact that I'm a fan of "top heavy" women...but I'm sick of seeing the actresses always relegated to stereotypical roles.   It's just another one (of many) reasons I'm a big fan of this show. 
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Post by: ariich on April 02, 2020, 12:42:05 AM
I've seen a few X-Men movies and they were so bad they actively killed my interest in the X-Men as characters. I really don't think I can dig X-Men until Marvel brings them to life in the movies.

1, 2, Days of Future Past and Logan are top tier.  I personally really like Last Stand as well.  First Class and The Wolverine get a B grade.  The rest are tripe.
This is all correct. Kattelox is all wrong.
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Post by: Polarbear on April 02, 2020, 01:10:05 AM
1. Logan
2. Days of Future Past
3. X2
4. First Class
5. X1
6. Wolverine (Not the origins!)

The rest are bad to facepalming. I was very disappointed with Apocalypse in particular, since First Class and Days of Future Past were so good IMO.

Oh and I'm not counting the Deadpool movies in these. They are their own Franchise as far as I'm concerned. Both Deadpool movies are great though! :lol
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Post by: The Walrus on April 02, 2020, 06:03:19 AM
I've seen a few X-Men movies and they were so bad they actively killed my interest in the X-Men as characters. I really don't think I can dig X-Men until Marvel brings them to life in the movies.

1, 2, Days of Future Past and Logan are top tier.  I personally really like Last Stand as well.  First Class and The Wolverine get a B grade.  The rest are tripe.
This is all correct. Kattelox is all wrong.

Joke's on you, you like X-Men movies!   :loser: :lol
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2020, 10:11:23 AM
First Class is my #1.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 10:13:40 AM
First Class is my #1.

I came up with a good way to watch it. Right after Erick kills the nazis in Argentina of wherever, you take a nap and wake up when he's about to kill Kevin Bacon. If you sleep through everything in between, you're good.
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Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2020, 10:16:13 AM
First Class is my #1.

I came up with a good way to watch it. Right after Erick kills the nazis in Argentina of wherever, you take a nap and wake up when he's about to kill Kevin Bacon. If you sleep through everything in between, you're good.

 :lol

BTW, I talking the X Men movies.  No lumping the Wolverine movie in that list.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 10:19:01 AM
I still maintain that the first 2/3 of The Wolverine is really good. Then it went full Wonder Woman. Turned into a video game.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2020, 10:22:36 AM
I still maintain that the first 2/3 of The Wolverine is really good. Then it went full Wonder Woman. Turned into a video game.

It didn't bother me as much as others did.  I thought it was better than Origins.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 10:25:06 AM
I still maintain that the first 2/3 of The Wolverine is really good. Then it went full Wonder Woman. Turned into a video game.

It didn't bother me as much as others did.  I thought it was better than Origins.

To be fair, I'd be hard pressed to think of a movie that wasn't better than Origins.

I dunno. Maybe I need to give First Class another try. I really just didn't care for it outside of the beginning/end. All the stuff with the recruits just annoyed me. I'll try it again, given all my free time, and see if I change anything.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 02, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
I still maintain that the first 2/3 of The Wolverine is really good. Then it went full Wonder Woman. Turned into a video game.

Agreed.  That whole scene in the tower was just over-the-top.  My other beef is the post-credits scene which just got completely retconned.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 02, 2020, 11:38:39 AM
My whole thing with the entire group of X-Men films is how little regard they have for their source material.  I mean, I read X-Men comics, and was intimately familiar with them up through almost when the first film was released.

What I saw on the screen bore only superficial resemblances (and sometimes, not even that) to what I had read.

The creative teams just didn't trust the source material or take it as seriously as did the people running the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 11:46:11 AM
My whole thing with the entire group of X-Men films is how little regard they have for their source material.  I mean, I read X-Men comics, and was intimately familiar with them up through almost when the first film was released.

What I saw on the screen bore only superficial resemblances (and sometimes, not even that) to what I had read.

The creative teams just didn't trust the source material or take it as seriously as did the people running the MCU.

I would agree on most of them. I think, for the first few films at least, they did a decent job with Professor X and Magneto. They had 40 years of stories to contend with and all of those characters have been drastically different based on whomever was writing it at the time. But I think they did a decent job getting a good core character out of Prof X and Magneto. Even Beast in X3 (of all things) but yea, that was about it. I think the first X-Men movie did a decent job with Wolverine, at least for the first half. Cyclops was nothing. Jean was off. Nightcrawler was okay but still pretty far from the real character. The rest bore virtually no resemblance at all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 02, 2020, 02:36:57 PM
I concur mostly.  Colossus was my fave x-men as a kid, and I was highly disappointed with what they did with him in the movies.  Rogue they totally fucked up.  Iceman too.

My view, Charles, Magneto, Mystique, Wolverine and Storm they did a good/great job with.  Jean ... so-so (though, that might be my Famke Janssen fanboism giving it a pass).  Cyclops... almost a complete cluster - too much focus on his/Jean's relationship.  The Brotherhood were just throwaway characters, but they were largely accurate.

Everyone else they dropped the ball.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 02:54:38 PM
Which mystique? Cause there are some versions that Rebecca Romain was semi close to. But J-Law? No. That wasn’t mystique outside of powers.
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Post by: Indiscipline on April 02, 2020, 03:00:35 PM
I concur mostly.  Colossus was my fave x-men as a kid, and I was highly disappointed with what they did with him in the movies.  Rogue they totally fucked up.  Iceman too.

My view, Charles, Magneto, Mystique, Wolverine and Storm they did a good/great job with.  Jean ... so-so (though, that might be my Famke Janssen fanboism giving it a pass).  Cyclops... almost a complete cluster - too much focus on his/Jean's relationship.  The Brotherhood were just throwaway characters, but they were largely accurate.

Everyone else they dropped the ball.

The Deadpool Colossus is a gift, though
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 03:02:42 PM
Oh yea, Deadpool Colossus is fantastic.

Deadpool Cable was very different, but a good enough version.

Deadpool was smart enough to stick to extremely odd and rarely heard of characters beyond that, since their version of Negasonic has NOTHING to do with the original Negasonic. Luckily the comics realized this and just transformed the original Negasonic (who wasn't even in comics much at all) into the version from the movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 02, 2020, 03:11:55 PM
Which mystique? Cause there are some versions that Rebecca Romain was semi close to. But J-Law? No. That wasn’t mystique outside of powers.

Definitely Rebecca Romijn.  To be clear, I meant to focus those comments to just x1 and x2.  J-Law's version was awful.  Good job by J-Law, but that was not Mystique.  That was some blue female shape-shifter.

Despite liking x3, what they did with Juggernaut was a disgrace.  Same with Angel for that matter.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 03:14:43 PM
Angel/Archangel was always one of my favorites. So I'm sad that we never got a good version of him.

I love Ben Foster but his Angel was just....there....kinda. But then they did the other version in apocalypse and UGH that was just embarrassing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 02, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
Angel/Archangel was always one of my favorites. So I'm sad that we never got a good version of him.

I love Ben Foster but his Angel was just....there....kinda. But then they did the other version in apocalypse and UGH that was just embarrassing.

Agreed... Apocalypse version was beyond disgraceful.  But, everything about all of those characters was a disgrace, including the actor/portrayal.  I really don't know which movie I detest the most... it's like three-way tie between Origins, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix.  It's like Origins set the benchmark for atrociousness, then the next two came along and each pulled a "hold my beer".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2020, 03:51:37 PM
The original 3 movies I always laughed how Halle Berry lost the accent in the second film.  She won a damn academy award.  She can't keep an accent?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 04:05:10 PM
The original 3 movies I always laughed how Halle Berry lost the accent in the second film.  She won a damn academy award.  She can't keep an accent?

It happens. Elizabeth Olsen lost it after Age of Ultron. Carrie Fischer lost it after A New Hope (or maybe mid movie).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2020, 05:06:30 PM
And they all bothered me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 02, 2020, 05:09:50 PM
And they all bothered me.

How about this. X-Men in the MCU is based in Boston and every one of them has a super over the top Boston accent.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on April 02, 2020, 06:54:33 PM
I wouldn't notice.   I'm used to it?  I can't hear it!  Lol


That being said, Hollywood Boston accent is cartoonish. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on April 02, 2020, 11:13:28 PM
Angel/Archangel was always one of my favorites. So I'm sad that we never got a good version of him.

I love Ben Foster but his Angel was just....there....kinda. But then they did the other version in apocalypse and UGH that was just embarrassing.

Agreed... Apocalypse version was beyond disgraceful.  But, everything about all of those characters was a disgrace, including the actor/portrayal.  I really don't know which movie I detest the most... it's like three-way tie between Origins, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix.  It's like Origins set the benchmark for atrociousness, then the next two came along and each pulled a "hold my beer".

I disagree, you can't put anything in the same league of atrociousness as Dark Pheonix except maybe a stinky ass diaper blowout. God that movie fucking sucked.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 03, 2020, 06:16:05 AM
Ryan Reynolds as Weapon X being controlled by a green screen application and keyboard commands would like a word with you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 03, 2020, 09:35:34 AM
Oh yea, Deadpool Colossus is fantastic.

Deadpool Cable was very different, but a good enough version.

Deadpool was smart enough to stick to extremely odd and rarely heard of characters beyond that, since their version of Negasonic has NOTHING to do with the original Negasonic. Luckily the comics realized this and just transformed the original Negasonic (who wasn't even in comics much at all) into the version from the movies.
Just to be clear, I wouldn't group the Deadpool movies in with my bitching about the X-Men movies, even though I realize that technically, they belong together.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on April 03, 2020, 09:45:36 AM
Ryan Reynolds as Weapon X being controlled by a green screen application and keyboard commands would like a word with you.

Still not as bad as Dark Phoenix.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on April 03, 2020, 12:40:24 PM
I wouldn't notice.   I'm used to it?  I can't hear it!  Lol


That being said, Hollywood Boston accent is cartoonish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85iRQdjCzj0
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 03, 2020, 12:56:57 PM
I wouldn't notice.   I'm used to it?  I can't hear it!  Lol


That being said, Hollywood Boston accent is cartoonish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85iRQdjCzj0

YES!

I want all of the MCU in that accent.


And also great to see Rachel in stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on April 03, 2020, 01:57:21 PM
No freekin' way. :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 03, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
It’d be wicked awesome.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 05, 2020, 12:33:55 AM
I don’t have the link in front of me...but I assume you’ve all read about how every movie got pushed back. Looks like the TV shows got pushed back a bit too...though not as far as the movies.

A bit of a bummer...but maybe it just builds anticipation.

On another note. I’m halfway through season two of Agent Carter. If anyone wants to see “strong female lead” without being ham fisted, this is a perfect example of how to do it right.
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Post by: Orbert on April 05, 2020, 02:15:32 PM
We started Agent Carter back when it first aired, but didn't stick with it.  I don't know.  She's a babe for sure, and the typical Marvel backstory (detailed enough to give you something interesting to work with, but not so well-defined that you couldn't explore things and get a twist or two) was great.  But the stories just weren't grabbing us.  In fact, I wouldn't go so far as to call it "ham-fisted", but there did seem to be at least one or two moments per episode where they blatantly pointed out the sexism and how she wasn't standing for it, or that she did something they never thought a woman could do, and they made sure to show the reactions of the men around her, or something like that.  Yes, I get that that's one of the main points of the character, a strong woman in a man's world, but I thought the idea was to "show, not tell".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 05, 2020, 02:29:51 PM
We started Agent Carter back when it first aired, but didn't stick with it.  I don't know.  She's a babe for sure, and the typical Marvel backstory (detailed enough to give you something interesting to work with, but not so well-defined that you couldn't explore things and get a twist or two) was great.  But the stories just weren't grabbing us.  In fact, I wouldn't go so far as to call it "ham-fisted", but there did seem to be at least one or two moments per episode where they blatantly pointed out the sexism and how she wasn't standing for it, or that she did something they never thought a woman could do, and they made sure to show the reactions of the men around her, or something like that.  Yes, I get that that's one of the main points of the character, a strong woman in a man's world, but I thought the idea was to "show, not tell".

But that wouldn't be consistent for the period they are framing it in.  Just by sheer fact that we are in the late 40s post war era, there is going to be a greater measure of sexism than there is today.   I thought they found a perfect balance of "accurate to the time period" without going so far that you felt you were having your face rubbed in it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 05, 2020, 05:09:48 PM
Season 1 of Agent Carter was fantastic. I really really loved it.

Season 2 just went....off. It was not good. The actors were lovely, and there were some good moments, but over all it was pretty poor.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 05, 2020, 07:24:47 PM
Season 1 of Agent Carter was fantastic. I really really loved it.

Season 2 just went....off. It was not good. The actors were lovely, and there were some good moments, but over all it was pretty poor.

I thought the same thing, but the rewatch was kinder.   

One thing this entire series reminds me of, is that in the very beginning they were really trying to make the TV shows harmonious with the movies, and certain events interacted.   I don't know if it just became way too much to maintain or what, but the entire MCU was a lot more fun that way.   I think it hit its peak around the time of CA:WS and the way those events tied into AoS.     I really wish they could have kept that idea alive.   AoS lost a step when they had to quit chasing the movie "squirrel".    But I guess the movie people weren't really keeping the TV shows in the loop, so they had no choice. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 08, 2020, 09:16:53 PM
Finished ALL of Agent Carter.   Seeing things that I missed the first time were fun (Prof Vanko was a nice touch). 

Tonight I'm watching Captain Marvel.   It's mostly movies from here until just after Iron Man 3.   But I kinda just went through that early string of films, so I might just skip to Season 1 of Agents of SHIELD.   But we'll see.  I've got a month of quarantine, so maybe I'll decide to rewatch it all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 08, 2020, 10:44:51 PM
This movie only reminded me how much I CAN'T STAND MCU FANS.   

Loved this movie.  Loved the callbacks, loved the winks, loved Brie Larson's portrayal.    And you know what really sucks?   The accusation of her acting being "wooden".   There was tons of emotion in this movie, and I absolutely cried when she went through her memories and she kept getting up.   It was awesome.   

On to Iron Man. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on April 09, 2020, 06:38:27 AM
This movie only reminded me how much I CAN'T STAND MCU FANS.   

Loved this movie.  Loved the callbacks, loved the winks, loved Brie Larson's portrayal.    And you know what really sucks?   The accusation of her acting being "wooden".   There was tons of emotion in this movie, and I absolutely cried when she went through her memories and she kept getting up.   It was awesome.   

On to Iron Man.

:hifive:

Captain Marvel rocks, Brie Larson's portrayal and performance was great, and it's one of my favorite phase 3 films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 06:41:15 AM
Captain Marvel was a fine phase 1 film but a lackluster phase 3 film.

If it was released back in phase 1, it would've been better. Then have the post-credits scene be in Infinity War instead.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on April 09, 2020, 06:42:34 AM
Hmm - why doesn't it work as a phase 3 film in your opinion? If we got rid of the idea of 'phases' would it still not work?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 06:50:43 AM
Hmm - why doesn't it work as a phase 3 film in your opinion? If we got rid of the idea of 'phases' would it still not work?

I think the phases (besides how Marvel uses them officially) represent a development in story telling. The first phase really was telling a certain type of story. They told how someone becomes a hero and they had a pretty nifty formula to do so. But over time, they experimented (mostly in phase 2) and learned a lot of lessons and  grew a whole lot. Captain Marvel followed the formulas of phase 1 and didn't seem to benefit from the lessons learned. I think one reason it wasn't so critically loved (by fans or critics) was because it didn't seem to have grown the way most Marvel movies had. It was a true "return to form" but the form was something from which Marvel had long since matured. If Captain America: First Avenger was released in 2019 or 2018, it would've been much more divisive than it was when it was released. If Captain Marvel came out in 2009 or 2010, it would've been much more accepted and enjoyed because it didn't have to measure up to things like Infinity War and so forth.

That make sense?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on April 09, 2020, 07:21:43 AM
Yeah, that makes sense. I can see where you're coming from. I don't agree, but now I know what you mean.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on April 09, 2020, 07:41:50 AM
And you know what really sucks?   The accusation of her acting being "wooden".   There was tons of emotion in this movie, and I absolutely cried when she went through her memories and she kept getting up.   It was awesome.   
I felt her acting was a bit wooden, personally, but I still enjoyed the movie and there was some emotion. I don't think it was bad acting. I think that was the way Larson, and the director, wanted the character portrayed. Thor was similar at first and he loosened up over time. Hopefully Captain Marvel will do the same.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 07:43:42 AM
Yea, Larson is a fantastic actor. I really like her. But her acting was a bit wooden. Not 100% of the time, she definitely had great moments. I think a big portion of it was the writers/directors/whomever, didn't really have a firm grasp on what they wanted the character to be. They had a plot, but the character was a bit underwritten, so it was hard to find ways to express her properly.

I think, given another movie or so, they can really find their footing with her. She CAN be a great character, and while they have a great foundation, they need more development to get there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 08:37:11 AM
Yeah, that makes sense. I can see where you're coming from. I don't agree, but now I know what you mean.


Aside from my main point in story telling, how cool would've it have been if Captain Marvel came out in 2010, was never talked about again until the post credits scene in Infinity War, which would've been her post credits scene of her showing up. That would've had such a cooler impact.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on April 09, 2020, 10:58:15 AM
I think Brie Larson is great as an actress but her portrayal being 'wooden' as Captain Marvel I feel comes as a result of how the character is written. At times she's meant to be a 'take charge' Captain America type leader, at other times she's doing sarcastic Tony Stark remarks and in the next she's displaying the arrogance you might connect to Dr. Strange. I feel like my biggest problems with her character is I feel she has fragments of other characters but nothing that makes her THAT unique.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on April 09, 2020, 11:46:25 AM
I think Brie Larson is great as an actress but her portrayal being 'wooden' as Captain Marvel I feel comes as a result of how the character is written. At times she's meant to be a 'take charge' Captain America type leader, at other times she's doing sarcastic Tony Stark remarks and in the next she's displaying the arrogance you might connect to Dr. Strange. I feel like my biggest problems with her character is I feel she has fragments of other characters but nothing that makes her THAT unique.

Or maybe all the token personality archetypes for heroes were already displayed, and any new character would just resemble a mash up of them. At that point they had introduced a ton of superheroes, so anyone new will of course bring up ideas of the old ones. Quill also has that Stark sarcasm. T'challa has that Cap take charge attitude. I think she is her own person, and kind of agree with Adami that she would have sold better in Phase 1.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Indiscipline on April 09, 2020, 12:07:53 PM
Brie Larson is amazing, and I fell in love with her phenomenal work in Rampart.

I agree her talents have been a bit held back in CM; maybe those responsible for the writing/character building/screenplay were more concerned about displaying THE perfectly agreeable and social sensibility-proof woman character for this day/age/climate than breathing life into a more characterised individual?

Plus, It was impossible not being upstaged by that cat
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 09, 2020, 12:24:20 PM
Yeah, that makes sense. I can see where you're coming from. I don't agree, but now I know what you mean.


Aside from my main point in story telling, how cool would've it have been if Captain Marvel came out in 2010, was never talked about again until the post credits scene in Infinity War, which would've been her post credits scene of her showing up. That would've had such a cooler impact.

And I can already tell that watching it in this order (as opposed to the release order) improves both this movie, and the bigger story for reasons you’ve already stated.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 12:27:26 PM
Brie Larson is amazing, and I fell in love with her phenomenal work in Rampart.

I agree her talents have been a bit held back in CM; maybe those responsible for the writing/character building/screenplay were more concerned about displaying THE perfectly agreeable and social sensibility-proof woman character for this day/age/climate than breathing life into a more characterised individual?

Plus, It was impossible not being upstaged by that cat

Oh yea, I can't imagine the pressure that whole team was under to create the perfect female superhero. Sadly, they did what usually happens in those scenarios. You get bland. It's a real shame. You try so hard to please everyone, you end up getting something with no flavor.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 09, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
Seems like they're afraid or unwilling to write her with flaws, which makes her character feel incomplete, and boring as a result.

Tony Stark has the same kind of smartassy thing going on, but he works because the character is a whole mess of flaws.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 12:41:07 PM
Seems like they're afraid or unwilling to write her with flaws, which makes her character feel incomplete, and boring as a result.

Tony Stark has the same kind of smartassy thing going on, but he works because the character is a whole mess of flaws.

It's a real shame but an unfortunate fact that, in today's society, a female super hero can't be written as freely or with as many risks as a male superhero. I hope that now she's out of the gate, they can take some chances with her moving forward. The more worried they get about upsetting any potential part of the fan base, the worse her character will end up being. None of this, at all, is in Larson, but the writers/producers/directors/etc.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on April 09, 2020, 12:45:05 PM
I didn't care much for CM the character, and I agree with Adami that the movie felt like a phase 1 movie.

I think (and hope) that the more we see of her the more her character will develop. She's been in 1 movie and a quarter of another (if even that). It sucks that all the new movies were pushed back, we will have to wait a little longer to get the story going again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on April 09, 2020, 12:51:21 PM
I dunno guys. It seems like just about every solo character's first movie feels like a phase 1 flick but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Black Panther, Dr. Strange, even Spider-man: Homecoming. Honestly I think Guardians 1 might be the only one to not feel like a phase 1 movie in its first installment.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 12:53:57 PM
I dunno guys. It seems like just about every solo character's first movie feels like a phase 1 flick but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Black Panther, Dr. Strange, even Spider-man: Homecoming. Honestly I think Guardians 1 might be the only one to not feel like a phase 1 movie in its first installment.

Oh yea, Doctor Strange also should've been phase 1, MAYBE phase 2 since it's way crazier than any other phase 1 film. Being a phase 1 film isn't bad at all. I love the phase 1 films more than most. I love First Avenger and even the first Thor movie quite a lot, so when I say Captain Marvel would've been better off in phase 1, I don't mean that as an insult. I just think it fits in more there than between movies like Thor Ragnarok and Infinity War.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on April 09, 2020, 01:19:54 PM
I agree. However, let's not skip over the fact that you casually admitted to liking Thor 1 a lot.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 09, 2020, 01:51:30 PM
I agree. However, let's not skip over the fact that you casually admitted to liking Thor 1 a lot.  :biggrin:

Oh yea, I dig Thor. Hell, I even dig a decent amount of The Dark World. I just hated the villain and almost anything involving him.

But the first Thor ain't bad. It's just very very very small compared to what came later. It's not amazing, but it's enjoyable with lovely characters and a simple enough plot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 09, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
Iron Man starts now.... :hat
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 09, 2020, 10:54:57 PM
The chemistry between RDJ and Gwyneth is stunning.    She's a whack job IRL, but some of the subtleties of her performance and how perfectly she plays into Tony's character, and the way they talk over each other and her uncomfortable manor at the dance.   It's the little things that sometime make this movie brilliant. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 09, 2020, 11:43:55 PM
Movie is over.  One thing that struck me this time is that, very much like The Matrix emulating anime, certain "frame shots" in this movie felt like a comic book panel, and I really thought it was a nice touch.   Before the MCU came along, "comic book movie" often came with a certain amount of camp tied to it.   But the comic books themselves were often far more dramatic and gripping that most of the movie going public was aware of.   I feel like the MCU, starting with Iron Man, tried to present honest comic book storytelling in movie form. 

A side note.   Seeing Captain Marvel last night made Coulson's ending statement of "this isn't my first rodeo" at the end of Iron Man far funnier than it would have been otherwise.   

A rewatch of The Incredible Hulk is in my near future.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 10, 2020, 08:27:27 PM
Different websites will put the next three movies in varying orders.  I think I've seen almost every sequence.  I even saw one today that went IM2/Thor/TIH.    But it seems most people tend to agree that the correct viewing order is TIH/IM2/Thor.   

It's been a few months since I've watched this one, but I've seen in 3 times I think now and all I remember is that each time I end up thinking "Why is this movie the red-headed step child of the MCU?"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 10, 2020, 08:32:49 PM
Different websites will put the next three movies in varying orders.  I think I've seen almost every sequence.  I even saw one today that went IM2/Thor/TIH.    But it seems most people tend to agree that the correct viewing order is TIH/IM2/Thor.   

It's been a few months since I've watched this one, but I've seen in 3 times I think now and all I remember is that each time I end up thinking "Why is this movie the red-headed step child of the MCU?"

I would definitely agree with you on that correct order.

And hulk. I like the movie. Wish it wasn’t so ignored in the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 10, 2020, 09:14:02 PM
Taking a quick break to get some popcorn.

I was looking at the official "day to day" timeline at the MCU Wiki.   Interesting the way these events play out.   Apparently, these events are happening almost concurrently with IM2. 

Bruce's first "incident" about a half hour into the film apparently takes place one week after Tony's appearance before congress near the beginning of IM2.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 10, 2020, 09:22:34 PM
Taking a quick break to get some popcorn.

I was looking at the official "day to day" timeline at the MCU Wiki.   Interesting the way these events play out.   Apparently, these events are happening almost concurrently with IM2. 

Bruce's first "incident" about a half hour into the film apparently takes place one week after Tony's appearance before congress near the beginning of IM2.

Yea there’s a scene in Iron Man II where parts of Hulk are being shown on the news in the background.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 10, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
That was a lot of fun.  Again.   

More so than the other films, this one spans over quite a bit of time.   That's probably what makes it hard to place.   Because according to the timeline, the Tony that walks into the bar to talk to Ross at the end is after the events of both IM2 and Thor.     So now I understand for the first time why this film moves around in the order so much.   Because the events are spread out and happening concurrently with the events not only from IM2, but with Thor also. 

Still, I like the placement of it here after the first Iron Man.   Because the events in the intro actually take place 5 years before Iron Man.   So with events that spread out so far across the timeline, it's a good spot to place it between the two Iron Man films. 

Iron Man 2 will be next.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 11, 2020, 06:57:51 AM
I always did like TIH... never understood the hate for it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on April 11, 2020, 07:32:45 AM
I always did like TIH... never understood the hate for it.

Ragnarok was a better Hulk film than either of the Hulk films imo!  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 11, 2020, 09:14:39 PM
Rum and cider......and Iron Man 2.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 11, 2020, 09:49:43 PM
"Don't think...drink."  - Tony Stark
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 11, 2020, 10:22:48 PM
I'm only halfway through, and I'm convinced that I'm Tony Stark without the money.....or the brains.....or the suit. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 11, 2020, 11:41:48 PM
No particular insights.   I had fun.  But maybe it was the rum and cider.   

To tell you the truth, I'm just having fun going through it.   

Thor is next.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 12, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
After watching two "Marvel One Shots" (The Consultant, and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer)...it's time for the next installment of the MCU in order.  THOR.

Kat Dennings is the hottest woman in the entire MCU.    Unless you're going to count the Netflix series....in which case it's Misty Knight.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on April 13, 2020, 07:49:38 AM
After watching two "Marvel One Shots" (The Consultant, and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer)...it's time for the next installment of the MCU in order.  THOR.

Kat Dennings is the hottest woman in the entire MCU.    Unless you're going to count the Netflix series....in which case it's Misty Knight.

Dennings also gets the best one liners, and delivers them brilliantly. Great character.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 13, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
I never saw Kat in anything before Thor, and I thought she was really cute.  But everything else I've seen her in, including promo pictures online, she's buried under a pound and a half of makeup.  Ugh.  Not my thing at all.  She obviously has two very big things going for her as well, but it's her face that first attracted me to her, and unfortunately, you can't really see it anywhere other than in the Thor movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 13, 2020, 12:49:56 PM
I never saw Kat in anything before Thor, and I thought she was really cute.  But everything else I've seen her in, including promo pictures online, she's buried under a pound and a half of makeup.  Ugh.  Not my thing at all.  She obviously has two very big things going for her as well, but it's her face that first attracted me to her, and unfortunately, you can't really see it anywhere other than in the Thor movies.

She was in 40 year old virgin. And yea, I think her sitcom career kind of killed her, but she's.........yea, she's not a great actress but she can be fun.


Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 13, 2020, 01:45:35 PM
I saw The 40-Year-Old Virgin, but don't specifically remember her.  Let me guess, she was the chick with huge boobs and a ton of makeup?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 13, 2020, 01:46:36 PM
I saw The 40-Year-Old Virgin, but don't specifically remember her.  Let me guess, she was the chick with huge boobs and a ton of makeup?


Yes.

She was the girlfriend's teenage daughter who wanted to bang her boyfriend. Steve Carrel took her to planned parenthood.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on April 14, 2020, 09:13:15 AM
She also did the "2 Broke Girls" show that was, in my opinion, pretty awful.

I remember years ago there was some scandal because some...interesting images of her were circulating around  :o
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 14, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
Yeah, I checked out "2 Broke Girls" because of her.  I might have lasted ten minutes.  It was bad.  But I'm not a sitcom kinda guy anyway.  Mostly I just remember that she had a shitload of makeup on, and that's a huge turnoff for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 14, 2020, 09:41:55 AM
Yeah, I checked out "2 Broke Girls" because of her.  I might have lasted ten minutes.  It was bad.  But I'm not a sitcom kinda guy anyway.  Mostly I just remember that she had a shitload of makeup on, and that's a huge turnoff for me.


I do like sitcoms, and it was really really really bad.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 14, 2020, 10:18:37 AM
:lol

That's too bad.  I thought both the girls were cute, but even that wasn't enough to keep me watching.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 14, 2020, 10:56:06 AM
Meh...it was a modern day Laverne and Shirley.  It was bland, but inoffensive. 

I saw an article that her character is going to be a regular on WandaVision, so I'm looking forward to that.

Also, I rewatched The Avengers last night, and I transported back to when I saw that movie day 1 in the theater.  What a game changer that was.  I'll never understand how Fiege let Whedon get away after that film.  I don't think anyone writes ensemble casts as well as he does.   Most writers are forced to settle on 2 or 3 main characters and leave the rest for support.   But Joss' experience writing for Firefly proved that he had the ability to write for 9 full fledged characters and make them work as a cohesive unit without any of them getting lost in the shuffle.   This talent becomes vital when you're working with a story concept like The Avengers.   Joss absolutely hit it out of the park. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 14, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
Meh...it was a modern day Laverne and Shirley.  It was bland, but inoffensive. 

I saw an article that her character is going to be a regular on WandaVision, so I'm looking forward to that.

Also, I rewatched The Avengers last night, and I transported back to when I saw that movie day 1 in the theater.  What a game changer that was.  I'll never understand how Fiege let Whedon get away after that film.  I don't think anyone writes ensemble casts as well as he does.   Most writers are forced to settle on 2 or 3 main characters and leave the rest for support.   But Joss' experience writing for Firefly proved that he had the ability to write for 9 full fledged characters and make them work as a cohesive unit without any of them getting lost in the shuffle.   This talent becomes vital when you're working with a story concept like The Avengers.   Joss absolutely hit it out of the park.

Yup. Joss 100% crushed that movie.

I'd wager that the Russo's and Marcus and McFeely handle ensembles amazing well also. Differently, but very very well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 14, 2020, 02:21:11 PM
So Sam Raimi is apparently directing Dr. Strange 2.

People are going to be pressuring the hell out of him to find a way to get Toby McGuire's Spider-Man in there somehow. Doubtful.

Honestly, with a name like The Multiverse of Madness, I am hoping for complete insanity and going all out. I doubt they will, I feel like they're going to play it really safe, which would be a shame.

If the Flash show can get Ezra Miller to show up and get back people from show's 10+ years ago, then Marvel should step up and go nuts.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Indiscipline on April 14, 2020, 02:27:18 PM
So Sam Raimi is apparently directing Dr. Strange 2.

People are going to be pressuring the hell out of him to find a way to get Toby McGuire's Spider-Man in there somehow. Doubtful.

Honestly, with a name like The Multiverse of Madness, I am hoping for complete insanity and going all out. I doubt they will, I feel like they're going to play it really safe, which would be a shame.

If the Flash show can get Ezra Miller to show up and get back people from show's 10+ years ago, then Marvel should step up and go nuts.

Agreed, full on crazy all the way should be the way to go. Like getting both Cap Evans and Torch Evans.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on April 14, 2020, 03:37:37 PM
Given how clever the MCU is, and the massive opportunity they have with this movie, I wouldn’t be surprise for some quick cameos. But I think it will be more in the lines of Thanos still alive, maybe even stark shows up for 3 seconds in the background.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 14, 2020, 03:38:53 PM
Given how clever the MCU is, and the massive opportunity they have with this movie, I wouldn’t be surprise for some quick cameos. But I think it will be more in the lines of Thanos still alive, maybe even stark shows up for 3 seconds in the background.

I think, while from a story perspective that would be cool, logistics would rule those out. Downy charges SO damn much that I doubt they'd pay it for a 3 second cameo, and the cost of rendering Thanos would be insane too.

I expect them to play it very very safe, but would love it if they went nuts with what they could.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on April 15, 2020, 06:49:30 AM
Decided to do a straight run of Agents of Shield, with the concurrent movie breaks. I really love how they worked Winter Soldier into the show. On to season two now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 15, 2020, 09:35:08 AM
Good timing, since they just announced the start date for S7 - May 27th.

Seems I might have to watch Agent Carter now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 15, 2020, 09:40:37 AM
Good timing, since they just announced the start date for S7 - May 27th.

Seems I might have to watch Agent Carter now.

Apparently there will be some level of cross over for S7. Doesn't sound like a big one, but something.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on April 15, 2020, 10:04:25 AM
May 27th? I should be done by then, and be able to squeeze Carter in as well.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 15, 2020, 10:14:50 AM
I want to start Agents of SHIELD but I'm so intimidated by the number of episodes per season esp since they are each like 45 mins. I only ever saw the pilot which was ok, but know the show had drastically changed since and is a lot more intertwined with the MCU than before.

Maybe one day, I still have all the Netflix marvel followup seasons to catch up. In the middle of Iron Fist.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 15, 2020, 10:17:13 AM
and be able to squeeze Carter

Teehee
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 15, 2020, 10:46:15 AM
I have IM3 next on my docket, but then I was going to watch the first 7 or 8 episodes (I don't have the timeline in front of me, but it's something like that) of AoS before moving on to Dark World.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 15, 2020, 10:49:05 AM
I have IM3 next on my docket, but then I was going to watch the first 7 or 8 episodes (I don't have the timeline in front of me, but it's something like that) of AoS before moving on to Dark World.

Oh that's a rough batch. Good luck.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 15, 2020, 10:52:23 AM
I want to start Agents of SHIELD but I'm so intimidated by the number of episodes per season esp since they are each like 45 mins. I only ever saw the pilot which was ok, but know the show had drastically changed since and is a lot more intertwined with the MCU than before.

They started off trying to keep things intertwined with the MCU, with some nice tie-ins to The Winter Soldier, references to the battle of New York, and so on, but they eventually had to abandon that strategy.  The movie release schedules changed a few times, which meant Agents of SHIELD episodes didn't tie in properly and were actually spoilers.  Plus it was pretty clear that the MCU didn't feel any obligation to keep the TV show up on changes and developments, while the TV show was trying its best to keep some kind of synchronicity (and failing, through no fault of their own).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 15, 2020, 11:50:32 AM
I have IM3 next on my docket, but then I was going to watch the first 7 or 8 episodes (I don't have the timeline in front of me, but it's something like that) of AoS before moving on to Dark World.

Oh that's a rough batch. Good luck.

I do remember the first time I saw AoS and I LOLed when they sealed a breach in the side of a plane with a rubber raft.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 15, 2020, 12:14:08 PM
I have IM3 next on my docket, but then I was going to watch the first 7 or 8 episodes (I don't have the timeline in front of me, but it's something like that) of AoS before moving on to Dark World.

Oh that's a rough batch. Good luck.

I do remember the first time I saw AoS and I LOLed when they sealed a breach in the side of a plane with a rubber raft.

What?  You mean that's not feasible?  Next you'll tell me that the 'barrel of monkeys' trick Tony (virtual Tony) used in order to save the Air Force 1 crew from a 20,000+ foot free fall with about 250 feet to spare isn't totally legit!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 16, 2020, 02:07:45 PM
So Sam Raimi is apparently directing Dr. Strange 2.

People are going to be pressuring the hell out of him to find a way to get Toby McGuire's Spider-Man in there somehow. Doubtful.

Honestly, with a name like The Multiverse of Madness, I am hoping for complete insanity and going all out. I doubt they will, I feel like they're going to play it really safe, which would be a shame.

If the Flash show can get Ezra Miller to show up and get back people from show's 10+ years ago, then Marvel should step up and go nuts.
The Crisis cameos went back a lot more than 10 years. It included Burt Ward as Robin! It was a ton of fun and I'd love for Marvel to do something similar.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 16, 2020, 02:18:06 PM
Eric Bana as Bruce Banner?  lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on April 16, 2020, 02:20:16 PM
I want to start Agents of SHIELD but I'm so intimidated by the number of episodes per season esp since they are each like 45 mins. I only ever saw the pilot which was ok, but know the show had drastically changed since and is a lot more intertwined with the MCU than before.

Maybe one day, I still have all the Netflix marvel followup seasons to catch up. In the middle of Iron Fist.

Do it!  Agents of SHIELD is so much better than any of the Netflix shows (outside of Daredevil).  The first season meanders a bit.  But once it gets on track, it REALLY starts popping.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 16, 2020, 02:24:59 PM
So Sam Raimi is apparently directing Dr. Strange 2.

People are going to be pressuring the hell out of him to find a way to get Toby McGuire's Spider-Man in there somehow. Doubtful.

Honestly, with a name like The Multiverse of Madness, I am hoping for complete insanity and going all out. I doubt they will, I feel like they're going to play it really safe, which would be a shame.

If the Flash show can get Ezra Miller to show up and get back people from show's 10+ years ago, then Marvel should step up and go nuts.
The Crisis cameos went back a lot more than 10 years. It included Burt Ward as Robin! It was a ton of fun and I'd love for Marvel to do something similar.

I said 10 plus!

But you're totally right, which just furthers how awesome it all was.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 16, 2020, 09:30:30 PM
Ok...I'm sitting down for Iron Man 3 before heading into Agents of SHIELD.   

I do remember that I like IM3 more than most.  I think it mostly has to do with whether you like the "fake" with the Mandarin or not.  Personally, just because I know that 1) The Mandarin DOES exist, 2) takes revenge for someone else using his name, and 3) will be making his major debut in the Ten Rings movie coming soon...that makes it all cool on my end.   Plus, I just loved Kingsley's performance.  To be able to go from really intimidating and mysterious, and then turn it around to be a Ringo Starr level of comic relief.   I mean really, to go from one to the other in one performance just speaks volumes to the talent of that guy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 16, 2020, 11:18:31 PM
Totally agree.  Ben Kingsley is awesome, and Iron Man III was a ton of fun, although I thought Killian the bad guy was kinda lame, to be honest.  Yeah, he's super powerful and demented and all the things a bad guy should be, but maybe that was the problem.  He was such a cliché.  Trevor, the fake Mandarin (I think Stark actually calls him "Ringo" at one point) was a riot.  Even super-Pepper was pretty cool.  I kinda have a thing for Gwyneth though, and she was hot in this (no pun intended).

And it was interesting seeing Tony Stark mostly being just Tony Stark, not Iron Man.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 16, 2020, 11:59:46 PM
I get where the criticisms come from.   In fact, if I had to pick a single movie out of the entire original 23 films that was completely unnecessary to the overall story arc of The Avengers Initiative...this would be the one.   But there's a lot of cool stuff to take away too. 

Tony's PTSD is honestly very important to HIS character development.  His relationship with the kid is brilliant and pays off at his funeral.   And really, all the actor performances are off the chart good.    In fact, while I'm on the subject, let me take a moment to soapbox about green screen acting.   

How many actors have talked about how hard it is to act with nothing in front of them but a screen.   Now, I want you to think about every single scene in the entire MCU where RDJ had to do his "in the suit" facial acting with probably NOTHING in front of him at all...just some descriptions of what was happening.   Now I want you to think about how difficult that must be the next time you watch any of the MCU movies he's in where he has to do "in the suit" reaction shots.   I can't imagine how incredibly difficult it must be to make that completely natural and believable, and yet he pulls it off to the point where you most likely don't even think about it.

Anyway, at the end of the day, really fun film.  I see the plot holes, but I see great acting and great character development, and I'm looking forward to tackling AoS for a bit.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ZirconBlue on April 17, 2020, 09:11:23 AM


Totally agree.  Ben Kingsley is awesome, and Iron Man III was a ton of fun, although I thought Killian the bad guy was kinda lame, to be honest.  Yeah, he's super powerful and demented and all the things a bad guy should be, but maybe that was the problem.  He was such a cliché. 



Killian wasn't supposed to be the main bad guy.  Killian was supposed to be more minor character, with Maya Hansen actually pulling the strings.  But, misogynist prick, Ike Perlmutter, demanded a male villain.  (source (https://collider.com/how-iron-man-3-was-made-mandarin-twist-explained/#shane-black))
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 17, 2020, 09:21:24 AM
Love Ben Kingsley and his performance - both sides to the character.  Killian was a supremely uninteresting character.  I really liked the arc of the story, certain eye-rolling moments not withstanding.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 17, 2020, 10:15:36 AM
I didn't care for the last act of Iron Man III and it had nothing to do with the Mandarin thing. That was fine. Dumb, but fine.

Mine was how badly they wrote the Killian character at the end. I really loved the idea they started out with him, but then when he became a human dragon thing and he was fighting 40 Iron Man suits and everything was exploding, I just stopped caring. If they had gone for a smaller, more personal ending, that would've made it great. The rest of the movie was fantastic.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Podaar on April 17, 2020, 10:17:38 AM
I didn't care for the last act of Iron Man III and it had nothing to do with the Mandarin thing. That was fine. Dumb, but fine.

Mine was how badly they wrote the Killian character at the end. I really loved the idea they started out with him, but then when he became a human dragon thing and he was fighting 40 Iron Man suits and everything was exploding, I just stopped caring. If they had gone for a smaller, more personal ending, that would've made it great. The rest of the movie was fantastic.

Yeah, that's exactly my thought too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2020, 10:35:26 AM
Personally, I really liked IM3.  I thought the Mandarin twist was brilliant, Tony's character arc went REALLY deep and was well-done, and I liked how dark the tone was overall.
...if I had to pick a single movie out of the entire original 23 films that was completely unnecessary to the overall story arc of The Avengers Initiative...this would be the one.   

For my mileage, I completely disagree because:
Tony's PTSD is honestly very important to HIS character development.  His relationship with the kid is brilliant and pays off at his funeral.   
This.  I think it was HUGE to show him being mentally fragile as a result of the battle of New York.  And those "cracks" in his psyche informed and influenced pretty much every decision he made throughout the Infinity Saga, from AOU, to Civil War, to Homecoming, to Infinity War, to Endgame.  The Tony Stark character was done SO well, and IM3 is a huge reason why.

Mine was how badly they wrote the Killian character at the end. I really loved the idea they started out with him, but then when he became a human dragon thing and he was fighting 40 Iron Man suits and everything was exploding, I just stopped caring. If they had gone for a smaller, more personal ending, that would've made it great. The rest of the movie was fantastic.

Yeah, I mostly agree.  The back story and all his motivations up to that point were great.  And when it was initially revealed that he was the puppetmaster behind the whole thing, that was good as well.  But he just started to feel cartoonish and, as much as I hate to use this term, "generic" in much of the final battle, and that left me caring less. 

I still like this movie a lot, and feel that the quality is definitely there.  But the last few minutes (not even the entire third act) just leaves me losing a bit of my emotional investment for the reasons you mention.  Overall, not a huge knock on the film though.  All that just makes it middle-of-the-pack MCU, which is still very entertaining.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 17, 2020, 10:55:58 AM
Yeah, I remember now reading that the girl was supposed to be the big bad, but someone didn't like that, so Killian took her out, leaving us with him as the main bad guy.  They probably tried to retool the script a bit, but it didn't work.  He was just another scorned punk whose big plan may have had some upsides, like Buddy from The Incredibles, but didn't really work because he was also a total psycho.  The fire-breathing dragon thing was pretty over-the-top and silly.  I did love Rhodey's reaction, though.  "Oh, you breathe fire now?!"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2020, 12:14:43 PM
Bosk,

Nothing you said is wrong.  IM3 is vital to Tony Stark's character development, and for that reason alone is important to the storyline of the primary hero.  But I think you overlooked my qualifier in the first paragraph.   Or maybe I didn't clarify my thoughts well. 

In making my original statement, I was just observing that nothing happens in IM3 that furthers the First Avenger-Endgame story.  Even in the much maligned Dark World, the aether (Reality Stone) is introduced, and the plot developed.   Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single one of the other 22 films that don't contain some plot point in the Thanos/Infinity Stone/Avengers/Endgame War story arc.  (other than that kid being at Tony's funeral, which is more of an Easter egg than a plot point).   No new information is retrieved, no new villain that has anything to do with the bigger picture, no new characters that have any bearing on the outcome.   

I don't even mean that as a direct criticism per se.   It's just an observation that it's the only movie of the 23 that does nothing to further *that* particular story arc.     It does little things to breath new life into characters, and that's not a bad thing.  The Marvel One-Shots do a bit of that as well...on an admittedly FAR smaller scale.  (I especially like A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer...gives us a bit of early insight into Coulson's abilities as a fighter that I don't believe had been fully established at that point).   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 17, 2020, 01:05:26 PM
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer was/is awesome.  I loved that the guy we met in Iron Man has skills and we get to see them.  In hindsight it makes perfect sense; you don't get to be an agent working for Nick Fury if you're a bumbling idiot.  And in Iron Man he was never a bumbling idiot, just awkward and probably really nervous being sent to try and court The Amazing Tony Stark for this new initiative that his boss has cooked up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: masterthes on April 17, 2020, 01:24:27 PM
Just re-watched Endgame (such a perfect movie). Have we ever discussed why Nebula never mentioned the whole consequences of the Soul Stone to the team? Did she not totally grasp the situation? Like, she knew Gamora died, but did she not understand the sacrifice component?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on April 17, 2020, 01:52:31 PM
Bosk,

Nothing you said is wrong.  IM3 is vital to Tony Stark's character development, and for that reason alone is important to the storyline of the primary hero.  But I think you overlooked my qualifier in the first paragraph.   Or maybe I didn't clarify my thoughts well. 

In making my original statement, I was just observing that nothing happens in IM3 that furthers the First Avenger-Endgame story.  Even in the much maligned Dark World, the aether (Reality Stone) is introduced, and the plot developed.   Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single one of the other 22 films that don't contain some plot point in the Thanos/Infinity Stone/Avengers/Endgame War story arc.  (other than that kid being at Tony's funeral, which is more of an Easter egg than a plot point).   No new information is retrieved, no new villain that has anything to do with the bigger picture, no new characters that have any bearing on the outcome.   

I don't even mean that as a direct criticism per se.   It's just an observation that it's the only movie of the 23 that does nothing to further *that* particular story arc.     It does little things to breath new life into characters, and that's not a bad thing.  The Marvel One-Shots do a bit of that as well...on an admittedly FAR smaller scale.  (I especially like A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer...gives us a bit of early insight into Coulson's abilities as a fighter that I don't believe had been fully established at that point).   

It does establish that Pepper can use the suits, right? I don't think she does that anywhere else until Endgame. Not that it's a major plot point or anything.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
Just re-watched Endgame (such a perfect movie). Have we ever discussed why Nebula never mentioned the whole consequences of the Soul Stone to the team? Did she not totally grasp the situation? Like, she knew Gamora died, but did she not understand the sacrifice component?

She probably didn't know the specifics, since she wasn't there.  I think it is implied that she had imperfect information, but that she did share what she did know, because Nat pieces it together when she and Barton are discussing whether Red Skull is lying and there might be some other way.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2020, 09:36:12 PM
I'm watching the pilot of AOS right now, and while IM3 still has no story lines to relate to the First Avenger thru Endgame story, it appears that Extremis (developed by Killian) is vital to the Centipede program, and the reason the test subjects blow up.   

My suspicion is that aspects of the story for IM3 may have been altered to promote the (then) very new show.  But I honestly don't know.   

But the positive side is that while IM3's story doesn't contribute to the movie universe story...it is the heart of the AOS story.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2020, 09:41:08 PM
While I still remember that the first half of season 1 is sometimes stupid...I really liked "Pilot".    For the first episode of any TV show, you expect some "wobbly legs", but this particular episode is actually better than I remember. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2020, 10:36:49 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it is.   At the very end of episode 2.  The single stupidest moment in the history of the MCU.   Possibly the stupidest moment in the history of action TV shows.    I suspended my disbelief for the "barrel of monkeys", but for this?   It just took me out of the moment.   It was just....wow. 

Still, if I can glean some neat things from this.   The team that hated each other in episode one, solving problems in episode 2.   So it works on that level. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 17, 2020, 10:40:22 PM
....and the cameo from Fury was worth the stupidity of the raft.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 18, 2020, 04:57:05 AM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it is.   At the very end of episode 2.  The single stupidest moment in the history of the MCU.   Possibly the stupidest moment in the history of action TV shows.    I suspended my disbelief for the "barrel of monkeys", but for this?   It just took me out of the moment.   It was just....wow. 

Still, if I can glean some neat things from this.   The team that hated each other in episode one, solving problems in episode 2.   So it works on that level.

Remind me again??
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on April 18, 2020, 08:06:03 AM
Yeah, I've seen every episode, but you're speak very obliquely about things from like 10 years ago, so I have no idea what you're referring to.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 18, 2020, 09:13:25 AM
Patching a gaping hole in the side of a plane flying at 30000ft with a rubber raft.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 18, 2020, 09:18:53 AM
Patching a gaping hole in the side of a plane flying at 30000ft with a rubber raft.

Ah, that part.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on April 18, 2020, 09:21:23 AM
Just re-watched Endgame (such a perfect movie). Have we ever discussed why Nebula never mentioned the whole consequences of the Soul Stone to the team? Did she not totally grasp the situation? Like, she knew Gamora died, but did she not understand the sacrifice component?

Seeing your post reminded me that Karen Gillian did some awesome acting in this movie but it’s kind of been overshadowed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on April 18, 2020, 09:24:33 AM
Oh that reminds of something I was thinking of the other day, how in the MCU powerful laser type space guns exist but no one tries using them on Thanos, except Quill that one time when Thanos foiled his shot with the reality stone. But Gamora and Rocket and who knows who else had advanced weaponry.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 19, 2020, 09:42:06 PM
Just ending episode 7 of AOS.   

As cute as Fitz and Simmons are....she made him a sammich.   :xbones :angel:


Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on April 20, 2020, 07:53:50 AM
JD: you inspired me to start running through the films (though not in any particular order), and I've been enjoying and even catching jokes I didn't the first 10 times I saw those movies (or maybe I did and just forgot about them).

As cute as Fitz and Simmons are....she made him a sammich.   :xbones :angel:

 :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2020, 12:05:52 PM
Watched Thor The Dark World last night, and more and more this movie is growing on me.   It has its cheesy moments, but there is so much about it that drives the storyline forward. 

Even my son, who is a comic book nerd and can be (IMHO) unnecessarily critical at times, sat in and made the claim that he thought that The Dark World may be the most underappreciated MCU film, and his unpopular opinion was that it was one of the best MCU films and certainly the best Thor film.     (The way the movies heartlessly executed Sif and the Warriors Three without so much as a single moment of mourning really soured him on Ragnarok)

I think the criticisms come from things like when she finds the cell phone signal in the cave after finding her car keys and then just walks through the portal to find her car.     Meh...I get that it's a little convenient, but being as that they had established the possibility earlier, it didn't bother me that much.    But there were a lot more pros than cons.   Loki's character development, the establishment of the Reality Stone and where it ends up, the relationship between Jane and Frigga (including Frigga's death which becomes even MORE important to Thor's time travel in Endgame).   

I'm starting to side with my son on this one.  It's actually a pretty good movie that gets an unfair shake. 

EDIT - Next is 5 more episodes of AoS followed by the Marvel One-Shot "Hail to the King" (the reveal of the *real* Mandarin) then 4 more episodes of AoS, followed by The Winter Soldier, and then the remainder of Season 1 of AoS.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 20, 2020, 12:23:49 PM
All good points.

All offset by Malekith, and the most boring/irrelevant/forgettable/ordinary antagonist in the entire batch of 23 films.  Hell, I was more invested in his henchman than him.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 20, 2020, 12:41:05 PM
Watched Thor The Dark World last night, and more and more this movie is growing on me.   It has its cheesy moments, but there is so much about it that drives the storyline forward. 

Even my son, who is a comic book nerd and can be (IMHO) unnecessarily critical at times, sat in and made the claim that he thought that The Dark World may be the most underappreciated MCU film, and his unpopular opinion was that it was one of the best MCU films and certainly the best Thor film.     (The way the movies heartlessly executed Sif and the Warriors Three without so much as a single moment of mourning really soured him on Ragnarok)

I think the criticisms come from things like when she finds the cell phone signal in the cave after finding her car keys and then just walks through the portal to find her car.     Meh...I get that it's a little convenient, but being as that they had established the possibility earlier, it didn't bother me that much.    But there were a lot more pros than cons.   Loki's character development, the establishment of the Reality Stone and where it ends up, the relationship between Jane and Frigga (including Frigga's death which becomes even MORE important to Thor's time travel in Endgame).   

I'm starting to side with my son on this one.  It's actually a pretty good movie that gets an unfair shake. 

EDIT - Next is 5 more episodes of AoS followed by the Marvel One-Shot "Hail to the King" (the reveal of the *real* Mandarin) then 4 more episodes of AoS, followed by The Winter Soldier, and then the remainder of Season 1 of AoS.

Some good points, but as Jingle pointed out, Malekith really tanks the movie.

Also, it seems you place a high importance of moving the Infinity Saga plot forward. I think Dark World became SO heavily focused on that, that it stopped being a great movie and just started focusing on furthering the future movies. I think they found a much better and even handed way to do that with other films, but that plus Age of Ultron kind of lost that balance.

I like Dark World more than most (though not as much as you) but it's still extremely low on my Marvel list, mostly because the rest are all soooo good.



Also fun note, Sif is not dead according to the MCU.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2020, 01:56:53 PM
Adami,

Well, there are two extremes to be had.   One would be driving the plot with no emotion, the other would be focusing on the emotion at the expense of the plot.    I like it when a movie finds a balance between enhancing the emotions and motivations of the characters, while at the same time still managing to drive the plot forward.   Both are important, and I applaud any efforts to make sure both are covered.  I did mention that TDW drives the plot forward, but I also mentioned character development in my list (Loki, Jane, Frigga), so the fact that this movie managed both is an important point for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 20, 2020, 02:21:31 PM
Also for Dark World wasn't Alan Taylor the director at complete odds with Kevin Fiege and Marvel exec on how the story and character arcs were to be handled esp with regards to Malekith.

I vaguely recall Christopher Eccelston swearing off doing any MCU again because of drifting far away what they initially promised.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 20, 2020, 02:26:48 PM
Found the quote by Alan Taylor (https://ew.com/article/2015/06/30/terminator-genisys-alan-taylor-marvel-complaint/)

“The Marvel experience was particularly wrenching because I was sort of given absolute freedom while we were shooting, and then in post it turned into a different movie. So, that is something I hope never to repeat and don’t wish upon anybody else.”


Eccleston doesn't mince words (https://io9.gizmodo.com/you-have-no-idea-how-much-christopher-eccleston-hated-w-1823703190) with regards to Thor

"Working on something like GI Joe was horrendous. I just wanted to cut my throat every day. And Thor? Just a gun in your mouth. Gone in 60 Seconds was a good experience. Nic Cage is a gentleman and fantastic actor. But GI Joe and Thor were …I really paid for being a whore those times."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on April 20, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
The way the movies heartlessly executed Sif and the Warriors Three without so much as a single moment of mourning really soured him on Ragnarok

Just the Warriors Three.  Sif wasn't there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2020, 02:52:27 PM
Excellent point. Thank you.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 20, 2020, 02:53:16 PM
GOD DAMMIT I MADE THAT POINT FIRST!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 20, 2020, 02:56:28 PM
Adami,

Well, there are two extremes to be had.   One would be driving the plot with no emotion, the other would be focusing on the emotion at the expense of the plot.    I like it when a movie finds a balance between enhancing the emotions and motivations of the characters, while at the same time still managing to drive the plot forward.   Both are important, and I applaud any efforts to make sure both are covered.  I did mention that TDW drives the plot forward, but I also mentioned character development in my list (Loki, Jane, Frigga), so the fact that this movie managed both is an important point for me.

It definitely wasn't at either end of the extreme, it was just far enough to one direction that I think it didn't work on many levels. And the Friga stuff payed off in Endgame, but was less impactful JUST in the Dark World. Loki was great, Jane was....fine? I guess? Not sure what character development she had honestly.

It hit some good notes. I liked all the characters that aren't Dark Elves. I actually enjoyed the craziness of the ending battle. I loved Loki and Thor's arcs, even if Thor was pretty dumb to believe Loki died. But the plot was really REALLY thin, and the bad guy was just so awful that it takes the movie down a lot. And, like I said, I liked the movie more the most, but it is the worst Thor movie, and it focused too heavily on setting up future movies than being a good movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 20, 2020, 09:58:27 PM
LOVE the post-Dark World AoS.   I really wish they could have kept up the marriage of the movies interweaving with the TV show.  Maybe that will be brought back with the D+ shows.     I believe I am beginning to enter the golden age of that ideal.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 21, 2020, 02:23:35 PM
LOVE the post-Dark World AoS.   I really wish they could have kept up the marriage of the movies interweaving with the TV show.  Maybe that will be brought back with the D+ shows.     I believe I am beginning to enter the golden age of that ideal.

Yea, the Disney+ shows will tie directly to the larger MCU. I don't think we'll experience any of the issues with tying in that the Netflix shows did or Agents.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 21, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Tonight we've watched Episodes 11&12 of AoS and the Marvel One Shot "All Hail the King".   

I have to say that the one shot could have extremely far reaching effects on the new Ten Rings movie.  My sons were even thinking that it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for the real Mandarin to continue to employ Slattery to be "the face".   (he did, after all, not execute Slattery.  He only asked to meet him)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on April 22, 2020, 10:18:00 AM
Finished Jessica Jones, S.2 last night.  I think I've said before, outside of DD, I'm not a huge fan of the Netflix Marvel series.  Too many issue and too much objectionable content. 

This season of JJ was...interesting.  It was all over the place, and I frequently found myself asking where this was all going.  This season made me really hate most of the main characters.  It did a very effective job at painting virtually everyone as a pretty bad person.  That said, this season was all about character, and the character arcs were pretty amazing.  And the finale...WOW!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 22, 2020, 10:33:06 AM
I tend to agree.   Which is why I won't be doing the Netflix shows during my marathon.  Although, as you've said, DD is excellent.  JJ S1 is fantastic if only for David Tennant.     But trying to do the Netflix shows when they are mostly happening "off to the side" of the major MCU plotlines would just be too much.   

That being said, it did make me very happy to hear that Charlie Cox and Krysten Ritter will be appearing in some capacity in Spider Man 3 (as DD and JJ respectively).   So that bodes well that these shows could be returning on the D+ platform...as has been the hope of many.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2020, 10:36:17 AM
That being said, it did make me very happy to hear that Charlie Cox and Krysten Ritter will be appearing in some capacity in Spider Man 3 (as DD and JJ respectively). 
AFAIK, that is nothing more than an unsubstantiated internet rumor.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2020, 10:54:05 AM
That being said, it did make me very happy to hear that Charlie Cox and Krysten Ritter will be appearing in some capacity in Spider Man 3 (as DD and JJ respectively). 
AFAIK, that is nothing more than an unsubstantiated internet rumor.

Exactly. Kevin Smith read it on some random website, said he read it on some random website and then was cited as proof that it's happening. He's gone on to clarify that all he did was read it on a random website.

It'd be cool to see Charlie and Krysten, but I am rather certain we won't.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 22, 2020, 11:07:48 AM
My bad then.  But I hope it does happen.   Rumors are usually wrong, but not always. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2020, 11:11:25 AM
So a random thought I had about Dr. Strange 2.


So since no new comics have been released for weeks and won't be for some time, I've been re-reading old ones. Recently I've been reading both prelude to Deadpool Corps and Deadpool Corps.

My idea, which obviously will never happen, but would be cool is if he briefly visits a universe with Lady Deadpool, played by Blake Lively (who I didn't realize was 5'10). I know she's way too niche of a character for most people, but I love Deadpool Corps and would love to see her, or even Kidpool or Headpool (though not so much dogpool, sorry).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: masterthes on April 22, 2020, 01:08:02 PM
So, some other Endgame questions (I'm currently listening to the commentary)
1. Why did they need Loki's scepter?

2. Who got the Mind Stone? They seemed to pass that over completely
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2020, 01:13:39 PM
So, some other Endgame questions (I'm currently listening to the commentary)
1. Why did they need Loki's scepter?

2. Who got the Mind Stone? They seemed to pass that over completely

Those answer each other.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 22, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
So, some other Endgame questions (I'm currently listening to the commentary)
1. Why did they need Loki's scepter?

2. Who got the Mind Stone? They seemed to pass that over completely

1. They needed all the stones

2. The Cap put them all back when it was all over just like he said he would.  He just elected to stay in the past when he was done.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on April 22, 2020, 01:47:19 PM
Another Endgame question I just thought of, how does Cap return the soul stone? Just hand it to old dead redhead?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 22, 2020, 01:48:28 PM
Another Endgame question I just thought of, how does Cap return the soul stone? Just hand it to old dead redhead?

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1e1eff1b2ab43d4e49a7f0fb76d37191)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: masterthes on April 22, 2020, 01:52:45 PM
That's right, I forgot there was two for one stone action there in first Avengers
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on April 22, 2020, 01:58:39 PM
That's right, I forgot there was two for one stone action there in first Avengers

3 stones since Hulk got the Time Stone
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 22, 2020, 02:31:39 PM
3-way hot stone-on-stone-on-stone action
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on April 22, 2020, 08:12:41 PM
Another Endgame question I just thought of, how does Cap return the soul stone? Just hand it to old dead redhead?

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1e1eff1b2ab43d4e49a7f0fb76d37191)

:lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 22, 2020, 09:42:47 PM
Goddamn if they could make a one-shot / short-film on him returning the stones, or at a minimum returning the Soul Stone, that would be gold.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 26, 2020, 06:30:33 PM
My son (who has actually never seen AoS) started joining in on the festivities.   We watched The Winter Soldier Thursday night and then spent Friday and Saturday night finishing off Season 2. 

THAT stretch was a ton of fun.  I really miss the shows intertwining with the movies.   Next is the first two episodes of Season 2...then Guardians of the Galaxy, then one more episode of AoS before going straight back into GOTG2.  Then *most* of the rest of Season 2.   According to the official MCU Wiki, AoU gets inserted just before the final 3 episodes. 

Not sure how we're going to split that up yet.   But I will say that, as good as The Winter Soldier is, my enjoyment of it is enhanced even more by the events in AoS.  Especially knowing that Fury is alive...but knowing that no one in AoS knows that.   And then the payoff at the end.   

Ya.  That was a fun ride. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 26, 2020, 08:15:26 PM
So...I'm going to need some feedback opinions on an upcoming crossroads I'm going to have in my MCU chronological viewing.   Because most of the movies have roughly compartmentalized story lines....with one exception.   Doctor Strange. 

Here is a rough list of the chronological version of events, taken directly from the MCU Wiki

Doctor Strange (events in the prologue)

The first half of Season 3 of Agents of SHIELD

Doctor Strange (Act I)

All but the last 3 episodes of Season 3 Agents of SHIELD

Captain America: Civil War

The last 3 episodes of Season 3 of Agents of SHIELD

Black Panther

Doctor Strange (the training section)

The Inhumans (which I may or may not include...though I did enjoy it the first time)

Spider Man: Homecoming

Doctor Strange (the middle and ending)

Since it seems to me like the entire 2nd half of the film takes place near the end, I'm thinking I will just save it til after Homecoming and treat the first half of the film like a "flashback"...but I thought I'd get some other opinions.  What do you guys think?   I'm nerdy enough to attempt this undertaking, but I'm not so nerdy that I'm actually going to split up the film over 3 or 4 sections.   That's dumb. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on April 27, 2020, 06:27:33 AM
Definitely. The main bulk of the film is set in the order it was released, so it only makes sense to watch it at that point, with the rest being "flashbacks".
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2020, 08:07:30 AM
Agreed.  (and just overlook the fact that Strange and Homecoming screw up the timeline a bit anyway, so it is virtually impossible to get it exactly right anyway)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on April 27, 2020, 10:53:32 AM
Agreed.  Also, I would avoid Inhumans for a couple of reasons, mostly that it's like the Jeffries tubes in Star Trek, which were inscribed with GNDN.

Goes nowhere, does nothing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on April 27, 2020, 10:57:39 AM
Agreed.  Also, I would avoid Inhumans for a couple of reasons, mostly that it's like the Jeffries tubes in Star Trek, which were inscribed with GNDN.

Goes nowhere, does nothing.

Yea. If you're not going to watch the Netflix shows because it's too irrelevant to the overall story, then you should also skip Inhumans.


It's also awful.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 27, 2020, 11:24:36 AM
When D+ first debuted, the wife and I watched it with extremely low expectations. (Literally expecting a dumpster fire of MST3K worthiness). And with expectations that low, we ended up liking it a lot more than we thought we would.

But ya, it really has almost no tie ins at all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 28, 2020, 01:41:54 AM
First two episodes of AOS S2, followed by GOTG.

Not yet sure why they put one single solitary episode of AOS between GOTG 1 and 2, but maybe it will become apparent.

It was fun...I’m tired...Gunn is the king of Easter Eggs and I’m glad he’s coming back for a third helping.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on April 28, 2020, 10:45:23 PM
Anyone think the first Avengers looks a tad low budget? The effects still hold up, but the movie itself just looks cheap, almost like a TV movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 28, 2020, 10:59:57 PM
Anyone think the first Avengers looks a tad low budget? The effects still hold up, but the movie itself just looks cheap, almost like a TV movie.

Zook - "Evil Incarnate"

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on April 29, 2020, 01:13:50 AM
Hey, they only got better, but Avengers 1 isn't aging the greatest for me.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on April 29, 2020, 02:32:32 AM
Captain Puerto Rico's uniform is what looks the most out of place.  Otherwise I think it holds up just fine.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on April 29, 2020, 02:27:00 PM
I'm completely unsure of the reasoning behind putting the GOTG movies in the official MCU Wiki.  If I had to do it over again, I would just watch them back to back between seasons 1 & 2 of AoS. 

As it is, the official timeline lists it as:

First 2 Episodes of Season 2 of AoS.

GOTG

1 more episode of Season 2

GOTG2

All but the last 3 episodes of Season 2 (AoU is inserted there)

I get AoU's placement...but the GOTG's seem a bit weird.  I have seen other fans say that they belong between seasons 1 & 2, but I can't deny that I'm curious as to their reasoning.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 05, 2020, 09:58:07 PM
I just finished with all the AoS Season 2 up to Age of Ultron.   The episode before AoU is really cool.   I simply cannot state enough how fun it is when the TV show is interacting with the movies like this.  I hope we get more of this moving forward with the D+ shows and the Phase 4 movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2020, 12:41:30 AM
We are almost done with season three, and we watched Captain America Civil War tonight. I forgot what an emotional roller coaster this movie is. And we were all commenting tonight on how Marvel started to really ramp up how good the movies were leading up to Infinity War. Almost every movie seems better than the one before it. Just amazing what they accomplished.

Next is the final 3 episodes of season three, followed by Black Panther, Spider-Man Homecoming, and Doctor Strange before heading into season 4.

And the best part?? My sons have NO IDEA that Ghost Rider is coming. I’m having the most difficult time keeping my mouth shut! 😈
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2020, 11:05:34 AM
We are almost done with season three, and we watched Captain America Civil War tonight. I forgot what an emotional roller coaster this movie is.

I don't know why, but I never really connected much with this movie, and I find that it hasn't aged well.  It has its moments, but much like the airport fight, it is just full of punches that never landed for me. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2020, 04:35:52 PM
We are almost done with season three, and we watched Captain America Civil War tonight. I forgot what an emotional roller coaster this movie is.

I don't know why, but I never really connected much with this movie, and I find that it hasn't aged well.  It has its moments, but much like the airport fight, it is just full of punches that never landed for me.

For me, it's just the embodiment of how things are not as cut and dry as people make them out to be.   Cap's best friend is responsible for hundreds of deaths, including Tony's parents....or is he?   Was he responsible for his actions?   Or does the fault lay strictly with Hydra for experimenting on him and making him do things against his will?    Then we have Tony who can't see anything but the guy who killed his mom.   Totally understandable, but not the whole story.    Then we have Black Panther, who holds Bucky responsible for something he DIDN'T actually have anything to do with, and ultimately learning the lesson that Tony (who only wanted revenge) was missing.   

Very multi-faceted that way, and I really appreciated the way that all the characters were well developed and had their own well rounded motivations for doing what they did.     There were legitimate reasons on all sides for each character to take the action they did, even though it put them at odds with each other.   

I would think it not easy to put that many emotions and subplots into a cohesive story, but by jove they pulled it off brilliantly.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on May 22, 2020, 05:11:57 PM
Personally, I always feel like Tony trying to kill Bucky just doesn't work. I mean, sure, I understand Tony's a hothead. I understand, obviously, having his parents murdered is something that really fucks with him. But Bucky was brainwashed, Tony knows he was brainwashed, and it just feels really weak to have that be the thing that makes Cap and Tony duke it out. Especially because I feel like the philosophical difference between the two was actually really interesting and made for a much better driver of the divide between them. The Bucky thing just feels way too contrived, like oh I guess these guys have got to fight about something, so here we go.

I do like the movie overall, though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on May 22, 2020, 05:15:24 PM
We are almost done with season three, and we watched Captain America Civil War tonight. I forgot what an emotional roller coaster this movie is.

I don't know why, but I never really connected much with this movie, and I find that it hasn't aged well.  It has its moments, but much like the airport fight, it is just full of punches that never landed for me.

For me, it's just the embodiment of how things are not as cut and dry as people make them out to be.   Cap's best friend is responsible for hundreds of deaths, including Tony's parents....or is he?   Was he responsible for his actions?   Or does the fault lay strictly with Hydra for experimenting on him and making him do things against his will?    Then we have Tony who can't see anything but the guy who killed his mom.   Totally understandable, but not the whole story.    Then we have Black Panther, who holds Bucky responsible for something he DIDN'T actually have anything to do with, and ultimately learning the lesson that Tony (who only wanted revenge) was missing.   

Very multi-faceted that way, and I really appreciated the way that all the characters were well developed and had their own well rounded motivations for doing what they did.     There were legitimate reasons on all sides for each character to take the action they did, even though it put them at odds with each other.   

I would think it not easy to put that many emotions and subplots into a cohesive story, but by jove they pulled it off brilliantly.   
Yeah, all that is in there.  But yet, they still did NOT pull it all off brilliantly.  It was clunky, and although the seeds for their motivations were there, they just weren't developed enough to make you feel anything about the actual conflict. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2020, 08:11:52 PM
Well... vive la différence!  That is truly what I cherish about forums.

On to the final 3 episodes of season 3!  :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on May 22, 2020, 08:21:20 PM
I’m gonna be honest here.

I really want to do a marvel watch through with JD.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2020, 09:21:06 PM
I’m gonna be honest here.

I really want to do a marvel watch through with JD.

I'm not starting over again.   :rollin

But if you want to join us right now, we're about 10 min into episode 21 Season 3.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 22, 2020, 09:22:44 PM
And BTW....I wish all of you were on the couch with me and mine right now.   If you could convince my son to only talk when there's no dialog, it would all be worth it.    :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 24, 2020, 08:59:12 PM
I've finished Season 3, and I watched Black Panther last night and I'm watching Spider-Man Homecoming and Doctor Strange tonight. 

Cool Easter Egg I just discovered...and verified through the MCU Wiki.   Remember in The Incredible Hulk when Bruce bribed a night worker to let him use the computers by giving him some pizza?   (not Lou Ferrigno....the college student in the lab)   That guy...that particular character (and the actor who plays him)...becomes Peter Parker's academic team teacher. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on May 24, 2020, 09:04:09 PM
Was that official? Always just figured it was the same actor and when asked about they said “sure. Why not”
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 24, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Was that official? Always just figured it was the same actor and when asked about they said “sure. Why not”

I don't know if it was actually retro fitted or not.  But the characters name is Roger Harrington, and his entry in the MCU Wiki confirms that character is the same guy.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Roger_Harrington

EDIT - for the record, even if it is retro fitted, I think it's kinda cool
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 26, 2020, 12:12:44 PM
AFAIK, the MCU Wiki is not run by Marvel or Disney, but by fans.  So anything being there is just there, not necessarily "official".

Again, AFAIK.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on May 26, 2020, 12:43:09 PM
AFAIK, the MCU Wiki is not run by Marvel or Disney, but by fans.  So anything being there is just there, not necessarily "official".

Again, AFAIK.

Yea, same here. Fortunately it's such a minor thing that it's cool to believe whether or not it's official. If it's the same character, neat, if it's not, oh well. But it was definitely not an intentional thing. Martin Starr was brought into Spider-Man because his buddies wrote it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: soupytwist on May 27, 2020, 05:45:47 AM
I'm currently working my way through Agents of Shield.  I'm one of those that gave up after a few episodes of it's original broadcast because I didn't think it was very good, then I heard it got better but never had the time to pick it up again, but in this Covid period I've got a lot more time.

So I rewatched those first few episodes again and I'm now coming towards the backend of Season 2.  Season 1 dramatically improved in it's second half, and that momentum continued into season 2, however I'm finding it's lost some of that momentum since Skye got her power, hoping the final few episodes of season 2 start ramping up the excitement again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
REALLY enjoyed the season premier for this season's AOS.  It carries the current storyline forward well without feeling as doomy as the past 2.  Lots of fun callbacks, nods, and little twists.  The period piece feel automatically makes it kinda more charming as well.  I do hope we'll get some Fitz later.  But time will tell.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on May 29, 2020, 02:54:45 PM
I liked it, too.  Lots of fun stuff.  Coulson is back from the dead again (do we even need spoiler warnings for this guy anymore?  It's been like three or four times so far), and fun again; "Sarge" was such a downer.  Fitz and Simmons are separated by miles and/or years again.  Skye/Daisy/Quake has powers that she uses sometimes and then kinda forgets to use sometimes and gets her ass kicked a bit (but it's okay because it's a really nice ass).  Mac is big and brooding, Elena is hot but whiney, May is out of control, Deke is annoying but occassionally brilliant, Enoch is awesome but naive.  We're back!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 30, 2020, 07:18:29 AM
Cool.  jingle.son and I plan on firing it up tonight.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on May 30, 2020, 09:24:14 AM
We are still slamming through our marathon.   We even threw in the Slingshot web-series where it belonged in Season 4. 

It's a bit of a bummer that I missed the season 7 premier, but I would almost need a refresher on everything that happened in Season 6 anyway, so we will get there, and when we do I hope it is still On Demand.   If not, we have every intention of buying the "complete series" box set when they get around to it.   (Do they still do that sort of thing?)

I'm getting super excited because the idea of The Framework is just being introduced, and my two sons have NO IDEA where this is going.  I'm having a very difficult time keeping a poker face. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on May 30, 2020, 07:13:00 PM
I liked The Framework and that whole arc.  I thought it was well done.  Maybe not the most original idea, not flawless either, but overall it was executed well and it made you think.  And it was fun.  Moved along fast enough that you just rolled with it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on May 31, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
I liked The Framework and that whole arc.  I thought it was well done.  Maybe not the most original idea, not flawless either, but overall it was executed well and it made you think.  And it was fun.  Moved along fast enough that you just rolled with it.

:iagree:

@ theDude... hopefully AOS eventually makes it's way on to Disney+.  No reason it shouldn't... it is/was an ABC show
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on June 09, 2020, 09:28:25 PM
Believe it or not, I'm actually still doing this.    We're finishing up Season 4 as we speak.   Seeing my son's reactions to the twists is just CLASSIC.   


....and he has no idea what twist awaits him in season 5.   :xbones

A few episodes in, we have to start looking at Ragnarok and Ant Man and the Wasp, and then right before the end of season 5 Infinity War, and then Endgame after.    So we're getting to the meat and potatoes now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on June 10, 2020, 10:07:26 AM
I don't have time for such a massive rewatch.  But if I could find the time, I'd love to do a mini of the Ragnarok > Endgame timeline with AOS season 5 sprinkled in.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on June 10, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
I'm still digging Agents of SHIELD, and am looking forward to tonight's episode.  The "Time Bandits" thing with them jumping around in time and space is a pretty cool concept, and I hope it keeps up through the whole season.  So I guess we're done with the 1930's and off to somewhere/somewhen else?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on June 19, 2020, 09:40:08 AM
I just have to say that this season is probably my favorite so far.  I am loving everything about it.  Good story.  The humor level to me is just perfect--neither too much nor too little.  And the way they are setting each episode as a period piece is just so charming.  It really seems like the entire acting and creative team are letting loose and having fun with this as a final season, but still showing taste and restraint at the same time, and it's a really nice balance seldom seen in a show like this.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on June 19, 2020, 02:51:29 PM
AOS is always one of those shows we get much later on in the UK, it's really frustrating. Great to hear such good things about the final season so far though, makes me look forward to it!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on June 19, 2020, 04:37:14 PM
Rich, just remember this post when you get it.  Season 7, episode 4 is perhaps the most fun thing that they have done this entire series. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on June 19, 2020, 06:07:54 PM
I should really get into the series again. Season 4 remains my favourite superhero season of all time and I think the coherent  three arc structure is an example more series should follow (with this I mean the logical subsequent escalations from one arc into another, within a single season).

The strange thing is... that I never watched anything beyond that! Glad to hear it is still good.

And I will never not shit on the awful first season. I really wonder if this show would be more popular where I live if it started out decently. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on June 22, 2020, 08:23:07 AM
And I will never not shit on the awful first season. I really wonder if this show would be more popular where I live if it started out decently. 
I gave up on it halfway through the first season and never gave it another shot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on June 22, 2020, 09:53:35 AM
And I will never not shit on the awful first season. I really wonder if this show would be more popular where I live if it started out decently. 
I gave up on it halfway through the first season and never gave it another shot.

Oh c'mon guys... it wasn't *that* bad.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2020, 09:55:31 AM
I liked S1.  Yes, it took awhile to figure out what it wanted to be and get its feet under it.  But that doesn't make it bad.  I kinda want to do a rewatch, but time will now allow.  But...

************SPOILERS*****************

Given what is going on with AOS, we started an Agent Carter rewatch so the kids can get up to speed with that series, since they haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on June 22, 2020, 09:57:34 AM
I liked S1.  Yes, it took awhile to figure out what it wanted to be and get its feet under it.  But that doesn't make it bad.  I kinda want to do a rewatch, but time will now allow.  But...

************SPOILERS*****************

Given what is going on with AOS, we started an Agent Carter rewatch so the kids can get up to speed with that series, since they haven't seen it.

I wouldn't call Season 1 bad, but I would definitely call it very boring and bland. I do remember, during it, that I considered giving up on it because I just didn't care and thought they were better than that. Luckily I stuck it out and then BAM it figured itself out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on June 22, 2020, 10:09:42 AM
The first season of most shows can be awkward, uneven, and sometimes downright bad.  We were all into the world-building that the MCU was doing, and AoS seemed like a nice "weekly dose" we could get while waiting for the next MCU movie.  It wasn't great, but it was something to watch together with the kids (plus the kids have lower standards and thought it was fine).  And it definitely picked up after Season One, and IMO has been pretty solid ever since.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on June 22, 2020, 11:53:46 AM
And I will never not shit on the awful first season. I really wonder if this show would be more popular where I live if it started out decently. 
I gave up on it halfway through the first season and never gave it another shot.

Oh c'mon guys... it wasn't *that* bad.
It was bad enough for me to give up on it at the time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ErHaO on June 22, 2020, 01:08:22 PM
It was bad enough that I also quit it, and a lot of Marvel lovers I know too. Look, I do think s1 has some good episodes and has some decent foundations, but that weak "monster of the week" structure it started with is just not reflective of the series at all. And the action scenes, direction, visuals, acting etc all are so much better later on. I don't know what happened between season 1 and 2 productionwise, but the jump in my opinion was very big.

Online I read the series got way more interesting after The Winter Soldier (MCU film) and that season 2 was ace, so I decided used an "what are the essential episodes of s1" guide I found online and I am thankful that I did, because the show is awesome. And I don't know why, but the Netflix shows weirdly feel very low budget compared to this.

Now at episode 5 of season 5 and I am really into it once again! :metal
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2020, 08:21:51 AM
Last night's episode was not quite as fun as previous weeks.  But, man, they sure upped the stake in one fell swoop.  Each prior episode, there was a lot of, "Mmm, this isn't ideal, but it's a small enough ripple that it shouldn't have any lasting effect on the timeline.  I think we're good."  Now we've definitely ratcheted things up to about defcon 4 or so.  Not full-on panic just yet.  But this...could be really bad. 

If the entire episode lived up to the opening credits, this would have been the best episode ever.  That sequence was the best thing I have seen on this show.  Even my kids, who obviously did NOT live the '70s, were cracking up.  There has been a lot of feeling like the creative team are just taking a victory lap and pulling out all the stops to just have as much fun as possible making this final season, and that opening sequence followed in those footsteps big time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: soupytwist on June 25, 2020, 09:47:16 AM

It was bad enough for me to give up on it at the time.

Me too.  I'm watching it now and I'm midway though season 3 and the show is really good.   The issues with Season 1 (in paricularly the first half) were the characters were crap - or at least they were presented that way.   Coulson never really stood out in the Marvel movies for me, I didn't really care for him as a leader.  Fitzsimmons felt like kids, with stereotypical nerd persona's.  May was morose and Ward felt like a big bland boy scout.

Turns out May is fucking awesome, Ward had one of the best heel turns I've ever seen on TV (evil Ward is so much fun).  Fitzsimmons continue to evole in surprising and complex ways....and new characters like Hunter, Bobbi and Mac are great addictions. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on June 25, 2020, 11:26:05 AM
Those 70's-cop-show opening credits were awesome!  I already thought they were killing it with the era-appropriate title cards, and here we got a full sequence.  Bravo!

The episode itself I thought was fine.  I like how the little ripples have either been adding up more than we thought they would, or the Chronicoms just decided to up the stakes and start messing with things more directly.  Either way, we're scrambling to keep up.

I've heard people use the term "victory lap" here and on other boards, but I guess I misunderstood the term.  I always thought of the final season being a victory lap when it's obvious that they're just phoning it in.  Minimal effort required because it's over already.  What I'm seeing this season is them just saying Whiskey Tango Foxtrot and going nuts with the story, but IMO the quality of the show is still very good.  Apparently the budget has been cut again, resulting in fewer special effects, so Daisy actually being Quake was the first time in a while, and Yo-Yo is still just Elena as far as I'm concerned (but I never liked the name Yo-Yo anyway).  But I'm enjoying this season as much as any previous.  It's getting crazier, if anything, and I like that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2020, 03:56:28 PM
"Victory lap" basically means "celebration after having obtained victory."  It doesn't (or shouldn't) have any negative connotations, other than perhaps a tad bit of gloating over said victory. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on June 25, 2020, 07:06:06 PM
In that case, I'm not sure how the expression works with this show.  I thought they'd been on the edge of cancellation for years, and finally got word that this is the final season.  So what is the "victory" they're celebrating?  That they actually managed to not get cancelled for seven years?  Actually, I guess that is something.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2020, 08:28:14 PM
Umm...the victory is the celebration of 7 awesome seasons. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on June 25, 2020, 09:04:31 PM
Okay, I get it now.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 15, 2020, 11:09:43 AM
Setting your episode of Agents of SHIELD in 1982 and calling it “The Totally Excellent Adventures Of Mack And The D” pretty much ensures hilarity and cheese.  The last episode was not as good as some of the prior ones, but it was still very fun.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 15, 2020, 11:22:01 AM
Setting your episode of Agents of SHIELD in 1982 and calling it “The Totally Excellent Adventures Of Mack And The D” pretty much ensures hilarity and cheese.  The last episode was not as good as some of the prior ones, but it was still very fun.

I'm really enjoying AoS this season, but yea, they don't seem to be going as far as they could.

It doesn't help that I'm also watching season 2 of Doom Patrol and that show is SO insane that AoS looks a bit like a mayo on white bread sandwich next to it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 16, 2020, 12:42:15 PM
Last night's episode was significantly less fun.  Still good, and a nice throwback to...whichever season that was.  :lol  Just not as fun.  Pretty menacing and foreboding, actually.  And had a very X-Men vs. Brotherhood of Evil Mutants vibe.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on July 16, 2020, 01:21:32 PM
Yea, I actually liked it. I don't think they have to be that fun all the time. They just need the right balance and I think this was a good more serious episode.

I know they said they were going to be a bigger part of the MCU this season, but as of yet I haven't seen any hints of it. Also where the hell is Fitz? It's halfway over and no Fitz.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 16, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
I just started watching the current season, so I'm a few episodes behind. It's really good, to me, so far; but it's been such a long time since the previous season that I just completely forgot everything that happened at the season finale :lol

And I feel the same way as Adami about Fitz, he's one of my favorite characters of the show, and he's the one who seems to be neglected the most on the last few seasons (remember when he wasn't taken to the future and they had to make a big explanation about why that didn't happen?). I know this usually means the actor has some sort of scheduling conflict and can't commit to shooting the whole season (which is what happened for the example I just used), but really hope it's that and not them writing him out for most of the season just to come up with some kind of big twist or something.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on July 16, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
They say where he is--you just haven't gotten to it yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on July 16, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
They say where he is--you just haven't gotten to it yet.

Guess I'll have to watch one or two episodes more today, then :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on July 26, 2020, 10:11:02 AM
Believe it or not, we are almost completely caught up on our giant MCU viewing. We did both Infinity War and Endgame in their proper time, but then we got so involved with AOS that we skipped Spiderman Far From Home and went straight into season six and now season seven.

Love the introduction screens reflecting the dated timeline. At times it has felt a little bit on the cheesy side, but I agree with the earlier assessment that it just feels like a victory lap. I think they’re nailing the perfect balance of cheese and decent story. I hope it ends a little more on a strong point. Tying things up in something that felt like too much of a nice little package might feel anti-climactic.

What  I think would be cool is if they did something similar to what Alien Nation did back in the day. Wrap up the series...but create the possibility of future “movie events” (once the rights revert back to D+)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on August 12, 2020, 11:47:52 PM
The seven year journey is over and NO ONE has said a peep???

Technically I’ve still got 15 minutes left and I’m at the final commercial break, but we appear to be heading to “epilogue mode”

I love the way they wrapped it up. Excellent writing and a very worthy ending to a fantastic series. I had one minor issue that I’ll elaborate on later...but it was easily overlooked.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 13, 2020, 04:48:05 AM
Jingle.son and I will be watching it tonight.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 13, 2020, 07:04:31 AM
The seven year journey is over and NO ONE has said a peep???

Technically I’ve still got 15 minutes left and I’m at the final commercial break, but we appear to be heading to “epilogue mode”

I love the way they wrapped it up. Excellent writing and a very worthy ending to a fantastic series. I had one minor issue that I’ll elaborate on later...but it was easily overlooked.

I watch it the next day on Hulu. Patience young one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 14, 2020, 06:32:41 AM
Totally predictable outcome, but it was a nice way to wrap it all up - but too much of it tied back to the S6 finale, which I forgot so much about since it was so long ago.  I really had trouble with the mental gymnastics required to connect all the dots that were laid out.  Touching/heartwarming moment with the discovery of Alya.

Now, all the possibilities of spin-offs.  I'll bet none of them ever happen though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 14, 2020, 07:23:56 AM
Yea. I'm a bit torn on it.

It was mostly really good, but some meh. I also just didn't really connect with the ending. It made perfect sense but I didn't feel the emotional stuff they wanted me to feel, at least not all of it. I also didn't connect with Nathaniel as a villain, as he just seemed so generic and bland.

And what Jingle said is true, it relied a lot on season 6, which was over a year ago. It felt like this was meant to be binged, but wasn't released in that format.

One day, maybe, I'll binge the whole 7 seasons and maybe I'll connect with it a bit more.

But overall? Good run. Good ending, just a B instead of an A.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 14, 2020, 08:17:21 AM
It was mostly really good, but some meh. I also just didn't really connect with the ending. It made perfect sense but I didn't feel the emotional stuff they wanted me to feel, at least not all of it. I also didn't connect with Nathaniel as a villain, as he just seemed so generic and bland.

Agreed 100%.  I don't know if it was the character, or the actor's portrayal of the character, but I thought he was awful.  I thought Garrett was pretty bad too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 14, 2020, 08:18:43 AM
^Yeah, overall, I think I agree with that, even if I may disagree with some of the specifics.  The last line is spot on for me:  overall, good run.  Good ending, just a B instead of an A.

For me, the first part of the season was definitely in the "A" range.  It was lighthearted and fun, which felt right for this series.  It was poking fun at pretty much everything a lot of us have grown up with, and that was great.  Then it started to get heavy, and dark, and complex.  And that's all fine.  But the combination of those factors felt like a lot of the punches they were throwing glanced off a bit instead of landing solidly.  And even going into epilogue mode...it felt entirely appropriate, and pretty well done, but as Adami said, I didn't quite feel all of the emotions, or at least not as deeply, as they were going for.  I think some of that may simply be the emotional place that a lot of us are in right now.  When they were writing, filming, and editing this, they couldn't really have predicted that the national collective psyche would be where it is now.  But some of it is just the writing.  I mean, just because we are all collectively feeling a bit off doesn't mean things can't hit us hard--I watched Hamilton for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and have rewatched it a couple of times since, and there are multiple things in that, including the ending, that hit me like a ton of bricks EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Still, just to reiterate, I'm not unhappy with the finale at all.  This season was great overall, and I kind of felt like the first half was SO good that it kind of had to be a bit of a letdown at the end.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 14, 2020, 08:21:58 AM
And what Jingle said is true, it relied a lot on season 6, which was over a year ago. It felt like this was meant to be binged, but wasn't released in that format.

One day, maybe, I'll binge the whole 7 seasons and maybe I'll connect with it a bit more.


I think a re-watch of the S6 finale and the S7 finale would be sufficient.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 14, 2020, 08:42:27 AM
I don't remember why, but circumstances at the time the S6 finale came out dictated that I was sort of rushed and wasn't all there mentally, so I wasn't able to completely focus and take it in.  Similar situation with this one.  But from listening to you guys, I think the writing was also such that those endings were pretty convolluted and not easy to take in and emotionally connect with anyway.

But that said, yeah, I think a rewatch of both, back to back, would be helpful.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 14, 2020, 02:15:31 PM
I watched it this morning.  It was pretty good.  I agree that it didn't quite have the emotional punch it seemed like they were going for, with all the "family" and "what we're doing all this for" both literally and figuratively, but it did what it needed to do.  Nice special effects.  You could tell they saved up some of the budget for these two hours.  We started the season was some nice location scenes in different time periods, then we spent a few episodes inside the Lighthouse and holed up in the Zephyr a lot.  But we got the big fancy ending.  Fitz is back, Jemma's memory is back, they have a daughter, Zeke's existence is (insured? possible now?) and everybody's different, but everybody's the same.

I save a lot of episodes and watch them a second time, to catch all the stuff that got past me the first time, but I've found that it doesn't help me as much as the various discussion boards actually talking about the episodes.  People point out things and/or explain things that I didn't get, and vice versa.

One thing everyone seems to agree on is that Nathaniel, Kora, and Sibyl were all boring as fuck, and that brought down this season overall.  Garrett wasn't much better.  I've gotten to really like most of the main characters, but this show always had trouble getting consistently good bad guys, and this season was no different.  And that's sad because you want the wrap-up of the entire series to be something really amazing, and it was just "pretty good".  But hey, nowadays I'll take "pretty good".

Overall, the series challenged me a few times, surprised me a few times, and generally kept my interest.  My wife and kids all bailed on it years ago, but I stuck with it, and I'm glad I did.  I don't actually watch a lot of TV, so once I get into a show, I kinda want to stick with it, having already invested some time in it.  I don't want to bail on a show and then find out later that it got really good after I'd stopped watching.  That happened with Deep Space Nine, which I still want to watch again, but if I do that, I'd want to start from the beginning again, and it's that first season that really kinda bored me and made me bail in the first place.  Life's a bitch, eh?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 14, 2020, 04:44:05 PM
I won't blame the kid playing Nathaniel. He actually had some good charisma. There was just nothing to the character. He wanted power and to rule...........that's about it. They didn't give him any other motive or depth or anything.

And the problem with cold calculating robot villains is that you can't connect with them at all. Sometimes that works when used right, like the Borg, but they made her VERY human which missed the point. I also don't even remember why the robots were trying to do what they did.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 14, 2020, 05:48:55 PM
I think the Chronicoms somehow decided that Earth was a good planet for them to take over, and make it Chronos II or whatever the new home planet would be called.  Sibyl wasn't technically their leader, but she could see all the possible futures and give them odds on anything happening, so they did what she said.  Something like that.  Kinda like they waffled just a bit with the Borg Queen.  They asked her if she's the leader, and she says she brings order to chaos.  Okay, so the leader, right?

But as with all time-travel stories, there are potential holes or contradictions, whatever you want to call them.  Like, if the Chronicoms could travel through time, why not go back to their original home planet, before it was destroyed?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 16, 2020, 02:42:17 AM
My youngest and I wound up missing most of the season as it aired, so we actually watched the final 8 episodes in the last 2 days. Seen that way, it was very enjoyable, and easily our favorite season of the show. I thought it was a fitting sendoff to the characters we have come to love. We both teared up multiple times during those episodes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ZirconBlue on August 17, 2020, 04:27:30 PM
I'm happy.  The season was FUN, unlike most of the last 2, and the ending was somewhat bittersweet, but it felt fitting. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 17, 2020, 04:44:16 PM
Did we ever find out what the deal was with Sarge?  Why was he basically a clone of Coulson, with his DNA and obviously the same person but having lived a completely different life?  If they ever explained that, I don't remember.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 17, 2020, 06:21:37 PM
Did we ever find out what the deal was with Sarge?  Why was he basically a clone of Coulson, with his DNA and obviously the same person but having lived a completely different life?  If they ever explained that, I don't remember.

They did but I’m forgetting the details.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2020, 01:15:22 PM
Did we ever find out what the deal was with Sarge?  Why was he basically a clone of Coulson, with his DNA and obviously the same person but having lived a completely different life?  If they ever explained that, I don't remember.

They did but I’m forgetting the details.

Google is your friend.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2020, 01:17:02 PM
Did we ever find out what the deal was with Sarge?  Why was he basically a clone of Coulson, with his DNA and obviously the same person but having lived a completely different life?  If they ever explained that, I don't remember.

They did but I’m forgetting the details.

Google is your friend.

Honestly I would if I cared haha. I love the show but I’m fine not remembering that stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2020, 01:36:49 PM
Did we ever find out what the deal was with Sarge?  Why was he basically a clone of Coulson, with his DNA and obviously the same person but having lived a completely different life?  If they ever explained that, I don't remember.

They did but I’m forgetting the details.

Google is your friend.

Honestly I would if I cared haha. I love the show but I’m fine not remembering that stuff.

Ok, well... then... Google is Bob's friend. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 18, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
Nope, not mine either.  Seriously, if we're discussing the show, I figure I could ask a question and someone here would just answer it.  It's not like I'm sitting here doing something else and I'm suddenly stricken with a burning need to know why Sarge looked and sounded like Coulson.  Certainly not enough to bother Googling it.  It's just not that important, but I thought someone here might know.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2020, 02:00:12 PM
Nope, not mine either.  Seriously, if we're discussing the show, I figure I could ask a question and someone here would just answer it.  It's not like I'm sitting here doing something else and I'm suddenly stricken with a burning need to know why Sarge looked and sounded like Coulson.  Certainly not enough to bother Googling it.  It's just not that important, but I thought someone here might know.

I think, and my memory is lacking, the Sarge wasn’t really coulson but an alien who somehow merged with part of coulson and took on his form and so forth? Something like that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 18, 2020, 02:07:17 PM
IIRC it had something to do with Coulson being there with the monoliths in Season 5? When he died, that supernatural "being" took over a "clone" of Coulson because of the monoliths and stuff... again, we should probably just google it :lol

About the series finale, I enjoyed it, even though it didn't have as much as an emotional impact on me as the Season 5 finale, where they changed the timeline and prevented Earth's destruction, but caused Fitz's death (even though OG Fitz was still frozen somewhere in space), and with Coulson properly saying goodbye to everyone before he died (for good this time... kinda). THAT was the best season finale and it worked much better as a series finale. I think even they thought they were going to get cancelled at that point so they went all in there. The next two seasons were announced at the same time and they work much better as a full season rather than two shorter ones. Then they had to come up with some crazy explanations for keeping Coulson around, hence the appearance of Sarge and then LMD/Chronicom Coulson.

Loved finally seeing Fitz and Simmons get the happy ending they deserved, though, as previous episodes where very misleading as to what really happened to Fitz for this last season.

Deke staying behnid in the other timeline seemed like a plot device more than anything else, there's no way one of the Shield agents from that time couldn't do what he did, but I guess the plot just NEEDED someone to stay there to ensure the "this is our last mission together" prophecy.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 18, 2020, 06:05:46 PM
Kinda dumb question perhaps, but I need a good viewing order for the X films.  I honestly can't remember whether I have even seen all of them.  I have the first one, X2, and Wolverine.  The kids have seen those relatively recently, in that order.  For the rest, what order should we watch them in?  I think I saw some of the others, but as I said, I don't recall.

Strangely, D+ only has the original, Days of Future Past, and Apocalyse, so there are definitely gaps there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on August 18, 2020, 06:09:08 PM
The newest ones starting with First Class are in chronological order so for those go as they were released.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2020, 06:12:09 PM
Kinda dumb question perhaps, but I need a good viewing order for the X films.  I honestly can't remember whether I have even seen all of them.  I have the first one, X2, and Wolverine.  The kids have seen those relatively recently, in that order.  For the rest, what order should we watch them in?  I think I saw some of the others, but as I said, I don't recall.

Strangely, D+ only has the original, Days of Future Past, and Apocalyse, so there are definitely gaps there.

That’s a tough one because of the timelines.

Here’s how I’d do it, but I’m very biased

1. First Class
2. Origins (or you can skip it)
3. X-Men
4. X2
5. Last Stand
6. The Wolverine
7. Days of Future Past
8. Logan

I’d strongly suggest just skipping apocalypse and dark Phoenix.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2020, 06:15:29 PM
Kinda dumb question perhaps, but I need a good viewing order for the X films.  I honestly can't remember whether I have even seen all of them.  I have the first one, X2, and Wolverine.  The kids have seen those relatively recently, in that order.  For the rest, what order should we watch them in?  I think I saw some of the others, but as I said, I don't recall.

Strangely, D+ only has the original, Days of Future Past, and Apocalyse, so there are definitely gaps there.

That’s a tough one because of the timelines.

Here’s how I’d do it, but I’m very biased

1. First Class
2. Origins (or you can skip it)-
3. X-Men                              |
4. X2                                   |
5. Last Stand                        |
6. The Wolverine                   |
7. Days of Future Past           |
8. Logan                              |
                                          V
I’d strongly suggest just skipping apocalypse and dark Phoenix.

This is all good advice, and skip Origins too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on August 18, 2020, 06:28:04 PM
Out of the 3 they suggest to skip, Apocalypse is better than the other 2. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 18, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
Out of the 3 they suggest to skip, Apocalypse is better than the other 2.

This is true.




Still skip. They’re all awful.

I’m a Marvel fan boy. And apocalypse was so awful that I never even watched Dark Phoenix.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 18, 2020, 07:00:43 PM
Out of the 3 they suggest to skip, Apocalypse is better than the other 2.

This is true.




Still skip. They’re all awful.

I’m a Marvel fan boy. And apocalypse was so awful that I never even watched Dark Phoenix.

I only did because it was free on a flight home from Calgary. Truly an abomination. Apocalypse is terrible because of how they wrote storm, Magneto and Mystique, and to some degree how they neutered Apocalypse.  DP was terrible because of how they wrote everyone.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on August 18, 2020, 07:23:54 PM
Adami, don't. Dark Phoenix was bad.  First Class was excellent.   How it dropped so far to Dark Phoenix is shocking. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 19, 2020, 09:55:07 AM
I don't know.  I didn't like First Class, either, although it was definitely better than Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix.

Honestly, bosky, just go with X-Men, X-Men 2, and Logan.  Ignore everything else.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 19, 2020, 11:34:34 AM
I don't know.  I didn't like First Class, either, although it was definitely better than Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix.

Honestly, bosky, just go with X-Men, X-Men 2, and Logan.  Ignore everything else.

First class is a lot like Up. The first 10 or whatever minutes are great. Then the rest is mediocre.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 19, 2020, 11:35:55 AM
I agree with you.

Really, I haven't LIKED any of the X-Men films.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 28, 2020, 01:47:51 PM
Not sure how long this will stay up, but a YouTuber posted bootleg footage of the theatrical Black Widow trailer shown before New Mutants:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KWFeCn5tq8&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=Incy0_s2bQOS9igk%3A6

If you don't watch to watch to avoid potential spoilers, that's cool.  I won't reveal anything here.  I think the most important non-spoiler takeaway is that it is showing the intended release date to still be 11/6.  But as far as content, I won't get into that.  I didn't see anything that overtly looked spoilerish.  But more than that, as with other Marvel trailers (and other trailers, for that matter), it was pretty obviously edited in such a way as to (mis)lead the viewer to believe certain things about the story that almost certainly will play out very differently in the film when seen in context.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Bolsters on August 28, 2020, 08:16:56 PM
RIP Chadwick Boseman. :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 28, 2020, 08:19:49 PM
aw man what the fuck
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on August 28, 2020, 08:29:59 PM
RIP Chadwick Boseman. :'(

WHAT?! No way :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on August 28, 2020, 08:32:13 PM
RIP Chadwick Boseman. :'(

Just read that, very sad indeed. The guy was awesome as Black Panther and loved his role as Jackie Robinson in 42. Had no idea he was battling cancer.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 28, 2020, 08:40:22 PM
This came out of absolutely nowhere for me. WTF. Holy crap, this is awful news. Way, way too young, and he was so talented. God dammit. I just watched Civil War a couple months ago and still loved his performance. Guess I'll be watching Black Panther this weekend.

Kevin Smith is going to bawl a river on camera inevitably.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on August 28, 2020, 09:18:42 PM
So he knew he had and fought Stage III colon cancer for 4 years. Stunning to think that he filmed Black Panther already knowing he had cancer. Think about that. Plus, the Avenger movies and everything else he did after BP.

Kudos to the man. Can't imagine the pain he was in and the struggles he went through to accomplish that. That's inspiration right there.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 28, 2020, 10:14:36 PM
Just read. Oh man.

I dunno. Just nothing but respect. R.I.P brother.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on August 29, 2020, 04:11:01 AM
So he knew he had and fought Stage III colon cancer for 4 years. Stunning to think that he filmed Black Panther already knowing he had cancer. Think about that. Plus, the Avenger movies and everything else he did after BP.

Kudos to the man. Can't imagine the pain he was in and the struggles he went through to accomplish that. That's inspiration right there.

Yeah... that's an impressive act of courage and character.

This came out of absolutely nowhere for me. WTF. Holy crap, this is awful news. Way, way too young, and he was so talented. God dammit. I just watched Civil War a couple months ago and still loved his performance. Guess I'll be watching Black Panther this weekend.

Yup.   :'(
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 29, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
So sad. What a talented actor.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on August 29, 2020, 06:55:21 PM
So what happens with BP2?   Do you think they will recast?   People are very unforgiving when it's a money or other negotiation that gets an actor replaced...but they are often far more forgiving in the event of a death.    I'm sure he would have wanted someone else to take on the role.   I just can't see killing off the character and using another character to take on the role of BP.   I think you need to re-cast the existing role.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ProfessorPeart on August 29, 2020, 07:07:33 PM
Well, even before his death I had seen talk of passing the mantle to his sister Shuri at some point. In the comics she does succeed T'Challa as the Black Panther after he falls into a coma. They could probably tweak the storyline to move forward.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on August 29, 2020, 07:24:12 PM
I suspect Suri will become Black Panther earlier than was originally planned. The question is how they write out T'Challa. Does he die off screen? They have the technology to digitally impose his face on another actor, so they could have him die on screen. It will be interesting to see how they decide to handle it
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 31, 2020, 07:08:17 AM
I mentioned on Facebook that I think someone else should be BP instead of Shuri and immediately was met with "you have something against female superheroes, lol what's next you gonna complain about Jane Foster as Thor?" and I'm sitting here thinking I'm like the only guy I know who is STILL hyped about Captain Marvel.

I admit I don't 100% know who could become the next Black Panther but my initial reaction was 'not Shuri' because I thought one had to be a warrior? And Shuri does not seem like a warrior. She seems like an incredibly gifted scientist, not a fighter. (yes, I know Bruce Banner is both, and so is RDJ, but Shuri does not look like she could be intimidating in physical combat to me - she seems more suitable behind the scenes as the brains of the operations)

Above all else, I, too, am very interested to see how they resolve all this in the sequel and don't mind if Shuri becomes BP - I just don't see how they do that unless Shuri's going to become the new Tony Stark.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on August 31, 2020, 08:26:18 AM
Apparently Shuri became Black Panther in the comics at some point, which is where that idea seems to be coming from.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on August 31, 2020, 08:28:30 AM
It's super tricky.

Recasting him as T'Challah is just a lose/lose for the most part.

Everyone loved Shuri, so that might make more sense. But I'm sure they'll do something that works.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on August 31, 2020, 08:32:32 AM
Yeah, I don't know what the best answer is (I just know that re-casting T'Challah isn't it), but as always I have faith in Marvel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2020, 09:00:01 AM
I admit I don't 100% know who could become the next Black Panther but my initial reaction was 'not Shuri' because I thought one had to be a warrior? And Shuri does not seem like a warrior. She seems like an incredibly gifted scientist, not a fighter. (yes, I know Bruce Banner is both, and so is RDJ, but Shuri does not look like she could be intimidating in physical combat to me - she seems more suitable behind the scenes as the brains of the operations)

I pretty much agree with everything you said.  But I'll throw a bit of a different spin on it.  One of the themes in Black Panther was that Wakanda's ways were outdated, and that they needed to change.  Wakanda needed to remake itself because, even though it was very technologically advanced, it was ideologically behind the times.  I think reimagining what the black panther is and its place in Wakandan society fits that idea.  You are right that Shuri absolutely does not fit the traditional type for a black panther.  But she could be a different kind of black panther than what has existed, and I would actually be interested in seeing that.

But on a related topic you raised, I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Jane Foster become Thor.  That just seems like a horrible idea on just about every level (and, yes, I know there is comic precedence for it--that, in and of itself, does not necessarily make it a good idea).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on August 31, 2020, 09:06:17 AM
This loss just sucks.  He was a great actor and great person, and to Marvel fans, he obviously meant a lot.  To black fans, he meant so much more.  I really wanted to see him again as Black Panther. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 31, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
I admit I don't 100% know who could become the next Black Panther but my initial reaction was 'not Shuri' because I thought one had to be a warrior? And Shuri does not seem like a warrior. She seems like an incredibly gifted scientist, not a fighter. (yes, I know Bruce Banner is both, and so is RDJ, but Shuri does not look like she could be intimidating in physical combat to me - she seems more suitable behind the scenes as the brains of the operations)

I pretty much agree with everything you said.  But I'll throw a bit of a different spin on it.  One of the themes in Black Panther was that Wakanda's ways were outdated, and that they needed to change.  Wakanda needed to remake itself because, even though it was very technologically advanced, it was ideologically behind the times.  I think reimagining what the black panther is and its place in Wakandan society fits that idea.  You are right that Shuri absolutely does not fit the traditional type for a black panther.  But she could be a different kind of black panther than what has existed, and I would actually be interested in seeing that.

But on a related topic you raised, I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Jane Foster become Thor.  That just seems like a horrible idea on just about every level (and, yes, I know there is comic precedence for it--that, in and of itself, does not necessarily make it a good idea).

That is 100% true and I have total faith in Marvel to pull it off if they do go that route. I just think it's kind of a cheap cop out considering she would effectively be Iron Man 2.0, except female and black. I think it's a perfect opportunity for someone like Danai Gurira to step into the role, so Shuri can stay, well, Shuri. I like Shuri as a wise-cracking scientist who is still in touch with pop culture, personally :)

Female Thor: I share your apprehension with the idea, and yet, I'm also excited about it. But maybe that's because I love how Thor Ragnarok shaked up the Thor films, and I have faith they know exactly how to keep Thor interesting. I also think it's cool that Thor is the first hero to get 4 films under that hero's name.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on August 31, 2020, 10:52:05 AM
I have no trepidation over a female Thor.  At least, not after reading the collection of the original comics with that story.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on August 31, 2020, 06:05:28 PM
My trepidation isn't over the fact of a "female Thor" per se.  It is both more and less specific than that. 

Generally, I don't like the idea of another "Thor" at all.  Thor is Thor.  He is a person.  Having someone else take the title just seems so stupid to me.  Yes, I know there is precedence in the comics.  But I thought it was dumb there too.  If we are done seeing actual Thor, I don't want to see someone else playing that role.  Let's just have different heroes (and heroines). 

The more specific thing is having Jane Foster take up the mantle.  There's no reason for that.  If we REALLY have to have another person be Thor (just typing that pains me), it should be Valkyrie, not Jane.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on August 31, 2020, 06:28:58 PM
I would have loved for Valkyrie to 'become' the next Thor, as it were. In fact me and my best friend were banking on it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on August 31, 2020, 09:09:19 PM
I'm of the same mind regarding Thor.  There shouldn't be a "new Thor" because Thor is not a title; Thor is a person.  There can be a new Black Panther, a new Iron Man, a new Captain America, because those are all titles.  I think it's dumb that they pass the title down at some point, but I guess it makes more sense than the character being around for 80 years or whatever and it's still the same person.  At some point "they" (comic books in general) decided that titles/characters can be passed down, and since the MCU movies do follow many of the conventions established by their source material, it's okay.

But Thor isn't a title, Thor is the son of Odin and Frigga, a specific person.  Someone can be the next King of Asgard, or the next God of Thunder, sure.  But the "next Thor"?  No.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on September 01, 2020, 06:28:13 AM
What about Batman, Spider-Man, etc.... they've had different people in those roles. "Spider-Man" is just as much of a person as "Thor" is imo. I get it, Thor is his actual name, Spider-Man is an alias, but why can't Thor be an alias as well? Sure Miles Morales isn't Peter Parker, but he's still Spider-Man. And Thor = God of Thunder, there is only one God of Thunder, so if we have a new God of Thunder/Thor, they're the new Thor/God of Thunder.

It is a bit confusing.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on September 01, 2020, 06:41:52 AM
So, from what I remember in the comics, Jane became "Thor" when the real Thor became unworthy, couldn't lift his hammer, but Jane could. At that point, again if memory serves, Thor stopped going by the name Thor, since that name was equated with being worthy of lifting Meowmeow. So he started going simply by Odinson I believe and let Jane (who he didn't know was Jane) be called Thor since she was worthy when he was not.

How will the movie deal with this? Well, if nothing else, I trust Taika completely.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on September 01, 2020, 08:17:41 AM
I don't get the ... angst? ... with "Thor".  For starters, "Thor" (as in 'Chris Hemsworth') is Thor Odinson

Second, I'm surprised debating Marvel canon/written history is up for discussion.  It's like saying 'I don't like that Hulk is green' or 'it's stupid that Wolverine only has three claws when real Wolverines have 5'.

Lastly, the comics have had MANY characters hold the power of Thor (Rogue, Valkyrie, Beta Ray Bill, Jane Foster, Odin to name a few).  "Thor" is indeed both a name, and a title.  Odinson is just the one who has carried it for the bulk of Marvel's history.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on September 01, 2020, 08:35:38 AM
There's no "angst."  Not sure why you feel the need to turn the discussion into something it isn't by saying that.  Just expressing that I personally think it is a dumb idea, whether it is canon or not.  If you love the idea, the fact that I don't doesn't take anything away from you.  I just don't. 

That said, maybe they'll surprise me.  Marvel thus far has a pretty good (not perfect, but pretty good) track record for taking characters I didn't much care for in the comics, and making them work really well onscreen.  So even though the very concept of Jane "becoming" Thor got an immediate eyeroll from me, maybe I'll think it's great.  Or maybe the MCU has simply exhausted my attention span.  Not sure yet until I see where we go from here.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on September 01, 2020, 08:36:43 AM
Meowmeow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Rd8kF89-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egGrqtIBt_4
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: The Walrus on September 01, 2020, 08:37:20 AM
Look, unless they really just stop trying altogether, even the worst MCU film will still make more sense than the dumpster fire that is the new Star Wars trilogy. I'm here for Jane Thor. Until it's revealed after 10 films that she's actually Dr. Doom's daughter and her real name is Janeway Von Doom.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 01, 2020, 08:38:05 AM
Personally, regardless of what happened in the comics, I kinda doubt the general movie going audience would take to characters switching names around so I can't imagine the movies going that direction.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on September 01, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
All I know is that if Chris Hemsworth is in it, it’ll be good. The guy is money.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on September 12, 2020, 08:39:15 PM
Opps

https://uproxx.com/viral/chris-evans-penis-dick-picture-twitter-reactions/

I won’t post the picture but it’s not hard to find. The reactions are the best though.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 14, 2020, 07:46:31 AM
That's hilarious.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on September 17, 2020, 04:21:03 PM
Tatiana Maslany (of Orphan Black fame) has been cast as She-Hulk, which just made this an instant “must see” for me.

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/she-hulk-disney.html?fbclid=IwAR1jN6abbkZib6A0ggUqb61vFeROfBulBczI0qSi3X0vs7bOyyfvUT6YQto

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on September 17, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
Did not predict that at all

100% in. Great casting. Curious how the show will work.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on September 17, 2020, 04:51:45 PM
Holy shit, I am now interested in this show.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on September 19, 2020, 05:18:41 AM
I've been rewatching the MCU movies in release order. In retrospect it's kind of amazing that the MCU got as big as it did given the pretty wild swings in quality early on. It wasn't until Winter Soldier that basically all MCU movies became pretty much universally good movies (apart from Age of Ultron).

Iron Man was great, IM2 was kinda bad, Thor was just OK, Captain America was good but not great, Avengers was really good, IM3 was OK, The Dark World was kinda bad. Really the quality was all over the place to this point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on September 19, 2020, 09:19:59 AM
Of course, "kinda good" and "kinda bad" are totally subjective.  In terms of story, I completely agree with you.  But in terms of action, special effects, all that big-screen spectacle, they deliver the goods.  And that's what most people seem to care about the most, and those "lesser" movies kept the momentum going.

MCU was still learning and growing, and not everything was going to strike gold.  I know, you realize that; I'm just saying.  In that way, it's kinda like the first season of a TV show.  Not everything is perfect and in place out of the gate.  You have a few clunker episodes while the powers-that-be are still figuring out how it all works and/or how to make it all work.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on September 19, 2020, 09:29:50 AM
Of course, "kinda good" and "kinda bad" are totally subjective.  In terms of story, I completely agree with you.  But in terms of action, special effects, all that big-screen spectacle, they deliver the goods.  And that's what most people seem to care about the most, and those "lesser" movies kept the momentum going.

MCU was still learning and growing, and not everything was going to strike gold.  I know, you realize that; I'm just saying.  In that way, it's kinda like the first season of a TV show.  Not everything is perfect and in place out of the gate.  You have a few clunker episodes while the powers-that-be are still figuring out how it all works and/or how to make it all work.
Oh yeah, I absolutely get that. It's just interesting that audiences were willing to pay to see a few clunkers and kept the MCU going when it really could have fallen apart if a couple of the duds flopped at the box office. You're right about the big screen spectacle being enough for audiences sometimes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on September 19, 2020, 10:03:59 AM
IMO, it was critical that Iron Man (the first) was as good as it was.  After that, the anticipation of the 'firsts' for Cap and Thor... as the lead up to The Avengers was really the driving force.  If IM was mediocre (ala X3) or downright shit, the whole MCU might have gone to shit.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on September 19, 2020, 10:59:24 AM
IMO, it was critical that Iron Man (the first) was as good as it was.  After that, the anticipation of the 'firsts' for Cap and Thor... as the lead up to The Avengers was really the driving force.  If IM was mediocre (ala X3) or downright shit, the whole MCU might have gone to shit.
Very good point.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on September 19, 2020, 11:02:33 AM
I think it also helped that it wasn’t trying to set up a universe outside of the post credit tease. The movie could just focus on being a movie and not part one of a 22 part story. Marvel screwed that up a bit later on but recovered. Dc and others screwed that up from the beginning but DC seems to hopefully be going in a new direction than copying Marvel.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on September 19, 2020, 05:14:53 PM
Marvel screwed that up a bit later on but recovered.

I'm curious as to what you mean here.  I thought the way they slowly introduced the concept that "there's more to this than just this story" was done brilliantly.  The way the different characters showed up in each other's movies, just as they show up in each other's comic books, I thought was really cool.  Basically, I don't remember any obvious mistakes in the MCU-building, so I'm wondering what specifically you thought were missteps.

I agree that DC kinda got it wrong from the beginning.  They had to play catch-up, and had a lot of catching up to do, and they didn't get the feel right.  Plus, Superman and Batman -- the two anchors of the Justice League and the DC universe -- had already been done to death, so both reboots had to be really strong, and I think we can all agree that neither of them worked 100%.  I do like their take on Aquaman, and I really didn't expect to.  When they announced the Aquaman origin movie after we'd already met the character, it shouldn't have worked as well as it did, but I was surprised to find myself really looking forward to it, and I enjoyed it pretty much.  A few things that didn't quite work for me, but overall pretty good.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on September 19, 2020, 05:22:25 PM
I meant iron man 2/ age of ultron stuff. They got too focused on setting up future movies that those individual movies suffered from being less of a movie and more of a set up. I still enjoy them, but they went too far with universe building. Luckily they course corrected pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on September 19, 2020, 09:49:28 PM
While I think Iron Man 2 and Age of Ultron are among the weaker entries in the whole shebang, I didn't really think about why, other than that the main stories were not particularly engrossing or well-written in general.  One might argue that it's because their ability to stand alone as good movies was compromised by all the set-up elements that were shoved in, but I hadn't really thought about them in those terms.  Mostly, I thought both Whiplash and Justin Hammer were pretty lame bad guys, and Ultron kinda boring, despite all of his amazing abilities.  I usually like Sam Rockwell in pretty much anything, but he was wasted in Iron Man 2, and I've never understood why anyone likes Mickey Rourke.  I didn't know that Ultron was voiced by James Spader the first time I saw it, but thought he was boring as hell, and when I found out Spader did the voice, I understood why because I think Spader is boring, too.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on September 20, 2020, 05:30:48 AM
@ Bob.. I'm the complete opposite on Spader - absolutely love him, and thought he did an excellent job as Ultron.  I very much enjoy that Avengers movie - sure, it's the 4th in a four horse race, but still a good flick - despite the video game feel of the opening couple of minutes (up to the point all 6 of them converge leaping/flying across the ditch.  That whole segment was just way too over the top.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on September 20, 2020, 07:18:04 AM
Something about the way Ultron spoke just bugged me.  He was obviously very intelligent, and very powerful, but also witty, and something like compassionate in a backwards kind of way.  That's a lot of nuance to bring to a vocal performance, and while he did bring it, the whole thing just felt fake.  I know it's fake; it's a movie about an ultra-powerful robot(-ish) creation starring comic book characters.  But everything about the voice sound perfectly coached, exactly meant to sound very intelligent, and very powerful, but also witty, and something like compassionate in a backwards kind of way.  It was exactly what you expected it to be, and exactly what it was supposed to be, and in that way rather boring.  I know it doesn't make sense.  But because it was so exactly what I'd expect, nothing about it stood out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on September 20, 2020, 01:07:06 PM
What I recall disliking the most about Age of Ultron was the hordes of robots being fought hand to hand by the heros. The over reliance on hand to hand combat already bugs me in superhero movies, but when you have guys punching metal robots and somehow not shattering their finger bones, it was just dumb. Plus it was like and endless stream of pretty much useless robots being continually been down by a handful of heros. The ratio of bad to good seemed too big to be even remotely believable to me.

I'll probably get to Ultron later this week, so we'll see if it's as disappointing as I remember it being. I haven't seen it since it first came out.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on September 21, 2020, 12:02:25 AM
What I recall disliking the most about Age of Ultron was the hordes of robots being fought hand to hand by the heros. The over reliance on hand to hand combat already bugs me in superhero movies, but when you have guys punching metal robots and somehow not shattering their finger bones, it was just dumb.
Can't say that ever bothered me - the only ones who would have been using their bare hands are Captain America (super strong), Thor (Norse god essentially, so also super strong) and Hulk (strongest of the lot).
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on September 21, 2020, 05:12:33 AM
New Wandavision trailer is out.  This one's certainly gonna be unique.  I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 23, 2020, 07:36:17 AM


I meant iron man 2/ age of ultron stuff. They got too focused on setting up future movies that those individual movies suffered from being less of a movie and more of a set up. I still enjoy them, but they went too far with universe building. Luckily they course corrected pretty quickly.



I was just thinking about how Joss Whedon wanted to cut the scene with Thor in the cave, but Marvel forced him to keep it in to set up future movies. . . and then Thor:Ragnarok negates the whole "Thor goes to search for Infinity Stones" plotline in its first scene.



Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on September 23, 2020, 08:53:34 AM
???  How did it "negate" it?  It fleshed out that Thor was doing exactly that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ZirconBlue on September 24, 2020, 09:53:39 AM


???  How did it "negate" it?  It fleshed out that Thor was doing exactly that.



If you're going to force a director to include a scene to set up a search for the Infinity Stones, I'd expect to actually see some of that search, and maybe have him actually find one or two.  Instead we get a few lines to lampshade that they weren't going to do any of that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on September 24, 2020, 10:54:18 AM
Watched Age of Ultron yesterday. Not as bad as I remember it being, but still one of the weaker MCU movies. There was certainly a lot of setting up future movies, which makes sense now, but didn't when it was originally released.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on September 29, 2020, 11:19:41 AM
This looks interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ODhWjCxydU
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on September 29, 2020, 03:02:24 PM
This looks interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ODhWjCxydU
Count me in.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on September 29, 2020, 03:48:29 PM
Maybe I'm just a bit dense, but I don't really understand what it is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on September 29, 2020, 06:11:58 PM
Maybe I'm just a bit dense, but I don't really understand what it is.

It’s the Marvel version of Disney’s “The Imagineering Story” (which was excellent BTW)

Basically a documentary “look behind the scenes” with some of the artists who work with Marvel. The history of the stories...who did what...the influence they’ve had...the ways they are looking forward...etc etc
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on October 02, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
Rewatched Captain Marvel the other day. Overall it was a really good movie. My only slight annoyance is the over use of 90s references and songs. It got to be a bit much by the end.

Also watched Thor Ragnarok. What a great movie. Honestly the best thing about that movie was that so little of it involved the stuffy, annoying people from Asgard. I found myself happy that Thor's Asgardian team was unceremoniously killed off without any fanfare. Thor is better away from Asgard.

That ends my MCU rewatch. The quality of those movies is remarkably consistent apart from a couple duds. Looking forward tp the next phase.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on October 02, 2020, 04:34:36 PM
Looks like Jamie Foxx is playing Electro.....again.

I admit, that’s very weird. I never saw his other Spider-Man movie but I’ve heard only fant4stic things.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on October 02, 2020, 06:12:10 PM
Looks like Jamie Foxx is playing Electro.....again.

I admit, that’s very weird. I never saw his other Spider-Man movie but I’ve heard only fantastic things.

Don't you mean "amazing"?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on October 02, 2020, 06:13:47 PM
Looks like Jamie Foxx is playing Electro.....again.

I admit, that’s very weird. I never saw his other Spider-Man movie but I’ve heard only fantastic things.

Don't you mean "amazing"?

No. But I’ll fix it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on October 05, 2020, 09:11:04 AM
I honestly think we are gonna get the Spider-Man crossover. I think they are definitely setting up for it. There are a lot of signs.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 05, 2020, 09:14:54 AM
Rewatched Captain Marvel the other day. Overall it was a really good movie. My only slight annoyance is the over use of 90s references and songs. It got to be a bit much by the end.
Why?  That's when it was set.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on October 05, 2020, 05:30:44 PM
Rewatched Captain Marvel the other day. Overall it was a really good movie. My only slight annoyance is the over use of 90s references and songs. It got to be a bit much by the end.
Why?  That's when it was set.
Sure, but Iron Man didn't smack you in the face with popular 2000s music every fight scene. Heck, there was a lot of classic rock in those movies if I recall correctly. It wasn't a huge deal, just a minor annoyance by the end.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on October 05, 2020, 08:47:34 PM
Random theory.

Since we know WandaVision connects with The Multiverse of Madness....what if she doesn’t simply recreate Vision but is either pulling him from another universe or is merging universes?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on October 07, 2020, 09:30:02 AM
I'm worried about Spider-man 3. It seems Sony is trying to jump the gun with the multiverse, and completely abandon the existing plot. It's gonna be, well, Spider-man 3 all over again.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on October 07, 2020, 09:44:00 AM
I'm worried about Spider-man 3. It seems Sony is trying to jump the gun with the multiverse, and completely abandon the existing plot. It's gonna be, well, Spider-man 3 all over again.

I’d agree if it was strictly Sony. But since Marvel and Kevin are there, I have some more faith.

I’m not sure they’ll go full multiverse but if they do, they honestly handled it well in the animated one and Marvel also has a large plan to keep them in line.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on October 08, 2020, 02:35:41 PM
Looks like Dr. Strange is also joining Spider-Man 3. Big cast.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zantera on October 08, 2020, 02:44:20 PM
If they go the multiverse route and we get even 1 scene of the Raimi-verse that would be more exciting to me than anything they have been doing with the Spider-Man movies lately. The Raimi version is still the best by far for me even if the MCU one is decent too. Not really sure what they are planning to do with any of their properties at the moment, the MCU feels a bit in limbo at the moment.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on October 16, 2020, 07:58:31 AM
Looks like Tatiana is denying (https://www.cbr.com/she-hulk-tatiana-maslany-denies-cast-disney-plus/) being cast as She-Hulk.
So I'm guessing this was a negotiation tactic from Disney to force Tatiana to accept whatever pay was offered is one take from it.

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"That actually isn't a real thing and it's like a press release that’s gotten out of hand," Maslany told The Sudbury Star Thursday morning in reference to her portraying Jennifer Walters. "It's totally not — I've been connected to these things in the past and press has gotten onto it, but it's not actually a thing, unfortunately."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 16, 2020, 12:49:52 PM
Looks like Tatiana is denying (https://www.cbr.com/she-hulk-tatiana-maslany-denies-cast-disney-plus/) being cast as She-Hulk.
So I'm guessing this was a negotiation tactic from Disney to force Tatiana to accept whatever pay was offered is one take from it.

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"That actually isn't a real thing and it's like a press release that’s gotten out of hand," Maslany told The Sudbury Star Thursday morning in reference to her portraying Jennifer Walters. "It's totally not — I've been connected to these things in the past and press has gotten onto it, but it's not actually a thing, unfortunately."
Or, she could have decided to be the anti-Tom Holland, and reveal no details whatsoever, not even that she is actually involved.

"Marvel snipers won't get ME."
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Zook on October 16, 2020, 04:19:51 PM
It's a work. She'll show up at the Royal Rumble.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 08, 2020, 02:07:29 PM
So it looks like Jeff Snieder from Deadline (and Collider) has "confirmed" that the next Spider-Man movie will have, beyond Jamie Foxx, Alfred Molina as Doc Oc, Andrew Garfield, Toby Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, and Emma Stone.

I have no idea if any of this is ACTUALLY confirmed, but the dude isn't a hack, but generally I wait til the studio confirms things since Marvel is known for being both INSANELY secretive, but also misleading when it helps.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 08, 2020, 02:25:30 PM
So it looks like Jeff Snieder from Deadline (and Collider) has "confirmed" that the next Spider-Man movie will have, beyond Jamie Foxx, Alfred Molina as Doc Oc, Andrew Garfield, Toby Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, and Emma Stone.

I have no idea if any of this is ACTUALLY confirmed, but the dude isn't a hack, but generally I wait til the studio confirms things since Marvel is known for being both INSANELY secretive, but also misleading when it helps.

Into the Multi-Verse!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: H2 on December 08, 2020, 04:08:44 PM
What would be the coolest imaginable in-movie entrance for Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man? (I imagine this would also be the big trailer moment.)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 08, 2020, 04:13:23 PM
What would be the coolest imaginable in-movie entrance for Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man? (I imagine this would also be the big trailer moment.)


Dance off?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 08, 2020, 04:30:56 PM
Also, hasn't really been talked about much here but Hailee Steinfeld is officially in the Hawkeye show which is currently filming.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 08, 2020, 04:38:48 PM
Also, hasn't really been talked about much here but Hailee Steinfeld is officially in the Hawkeye show which is currently filming.

I loved her in Bumblebee.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 08, 2020, 04:41:40 PM
Also, hasn't really been talked about much here but Hailee Steinfeld is officially in the Hawkeye show which is currently filming.

I loved her in Bumblebee.

If you haven't already, you should check out The Edge of Seventeen. She's fantastic in it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 08, 2020, 04:55:29 PM
Also, hasn't really been talked about much here but Hailee Steinfeld is officially in the Hawkeye show which is currently filming.

I loved her in Bumblebee.

If you haven't already, you should check out The Edge of Seventeen. She's fantastic in it.

I'm sure TAC loved it!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 09, 2020, 09:26:48 AM
Also, hasn't really been talked about much here but Hailee Steinfeld is officially in the Hawkeye show which is currently filming.

I loved her in Bumblebee.

If you haven't already, you should check out The Edge of Seventeen. She's fantastic in it.

Will do.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 09, 2020, 09:49:02 AM
For the first time ever, I'm going through all of the MCU movies in order, kind of like a television series where I plow through each episode (sans Incredible Hulk). I'm currently through Iron Man 3. It's a ton of fun going through them like this, although I feel like Phase 2 could end up being a bit bumpy. I wasn't a huge fan of some of the entries in this phase originally, but I'm also excited to see how I feel after revisiting them, and frankly, there really aren't any MCU movies without enjoyable qualities, IMO. The scope of what they accomplished is pretty remarkable.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2020, 06:21:15 PM
Holy mother of Cage. Insane Marvel news coming out of investors day.

Black Panther II will not recast T'Challah
Captain Marvel II.
Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Secret Invasion show
Armor Wars show
Iron Heart show
She- Hulk officially has Tatyana
Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
I am Groot show


Also new trailers for WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, and Loki.

Edit: ALSO FANTASTIC FOUR CONFIRMED WITH JON WATTS TO DIRECT

Also Spider-Man 3 confirmed to explore multi-verse.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 10, 2020, 06:46:33 PM
With that news, jingle.son told me Tim Roth will reprise his role as Abomination in She-Hulk; Kang is the villain in Ant Man & Wasp.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2020, 06:49:37 PM
With that news, jingle.son told me Tim Roth will reprise his role as Abomination in She-Hulk; Kang is the villain in Ant Man & Wasp.

Yup! A bunch of directors and stuff were announced too. Plus Ms. Marvel will appear in Captain Marvel and Christian Bale will be in Thor 4.
Title: Loki official trailer Disney+
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 10, 2020, 07:06:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4JuopziR3Q

 :metal
Title: Re: Loki official trailer Disney+
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2020, 07:07:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4JuopziR3Q

 :metal

Looks amazing, but shouldn't this go in the MCU thread? That way we don't get new threads for every show they released trailers for today.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 10, 2020, 07:12:23 PM
With that news, jingle.son told me Tim Roth will reprise his role as Abomination in She-Hulk; Kang is the villain in Ant Man & Wasp.

Yup! A bunch of directors and stuff were announced too. Plus Ms. Marvel will appear in Captain Marvel and Christian Bale will be in Thor 4.

Yeah, that was the other announcement he told me about. Gore someone? 

And another FF reboot?
Title: Re: Loki official trailer Disney+
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 10, 2020, 07:16:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4JuopziR3Q

 :metal

Looks amazing, but shouldn't this go in the MCU thread? That way we don't get new threads for every show they released trailers for today.

That's what I hate of the MCU thread, everything is MIXED if I want to read about only LOKI (or any other show/movie for that matter) I can't, I'll Have to read te whole damn thing to find what I want to read.

Is like having only a Prog Metal thread for ALL prog metal bands.

I am not a mod, if they want to delete this and have one big monster is their call.
Title: Re: Loki official trailer Disney+
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2020, 07:17:49 PM
Alrighty. Guess we’ll need a whole lot of new Marvel threads soon.
Title: Re: Loki official trailer Disney+
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 10, 2020, 07:22:45 PM
Alrighty. Guess we’ll need a whole lot of new Marvel threads soon.

After a while they can get merged to the MCU thread, I guess
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
Yup, but the first FF movie in the MCU. Produced by people who understand what the FF are.

Also some new trailers/first looks.

What if? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iLVoEg9aLk
Loki - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4JuopziR3Q
WandaVision - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBhlqe2OTt4
Falcon and Winter Soldier - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkBfGvb7NzM
Ms. Marvel sizzle reel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quWvXMqyq6I
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 10, 2020, 07:30:43 PM
Here are all the new Marvel, Star Wars, and other projects Disney announced at its investor day

https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/10/22167976/disney-investor-day-2020-biggest-announcements-plus-marvel-star-wars-pixar-animation
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on December 10, 2020, 07:59:39 PM
Holy mother of Cage. Insane Marvel news coming out of investors day.

Black Panther II will not recast T'Challah
Captain Marvel II.
Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Secret Invasion show
Armor Wars show
Iron Heart show
She- Hulk officially has Tatyana
Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
I am Groot show


Also new trailers for WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, and Loki.

Edit: ALSO FANTASTIC FOUR CONFIRMED WITH JON WATTS TO DIRECT

Also Spider-Man 3 confirmed to explore multi-verse.

Honestly, the only one of those I care about is the one Marvel movie I care about MOST:  The Fantastic Four.  Probably my favorite Marvel book, and I really did not like the previous movies.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2020, 08:05:53 PM
Fine. Then you and I are seeing FF together. Hand holding and all.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on December 10, 2020, 08:09:55 PM
Fine. Then you and I are seeing FF together. Hand holding and all.

I'm in.  Here, have some popcorn.   :)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 10, 2020, 08:13:46 PM
Fine. Then you and I are seeing FF together. Hand holding and all.

I'm in.  Here, have some popcorn.   :)

I tend to grab popcorn at the bottom of the bucket.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 10, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
Stads, are you high. Give me it all. I need my Marvel crack!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on December 10, 2020, 08:48:41 PM
Stads, are you high. Give me it all. I need my Marvel crack!

Bear in mind, I'm behind on the MCU.  One of my winter goals is to catch up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on December 10, 2020, 08:53:55 PM
Get on it dammit.  You should be shamed. 
Title: Re: Loki official trailer Disney+
Post by: DoctorAction on December 11, 2020, 01:36:58 AM
Looks great. God, I've missed the MCU this year...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 11, 2020, 07:56:46 AM
Very excited about all of this news.  The trailers they released all look fantastic.

Loki is going to be HUGE.

Ruffalo will be appearing in She-Hulk.  As he should be.  :metal
Title: Re: Loki official trailer Disney+
Post by: T-ski on December 11, 2020, 07:59:37 AM
Disappointing......not a single “wow” from Owen Wilson.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 11, 2020, 08:11:38 AM
Ruffalo will be appearing in She-Hulk.  As he should be.  :metal

Wasn't there a rumour that he's there for Banner/Hulk will be killed off?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 11, 2020, 09:25:08 AM
Ruffalo will be appearing in She-Hulk.  As he should be.  :metal

Wasn't there a rumour that he's there for Banner/Hulk will be killed off?
Hadn't heard that. 

I would imagine he will be a token presence for the creation of She-Hulk, not the death of Hulk.  Besides, I'm not sure he CAN be killed.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on December 11, 2020, 10:10:39 AM
Agreed Hef.

I really can't see them killing him off in any of the shows to be honest. If they decided to do it at all, I would have thought it would be in one of the major movies. But given he's injured and retired, I'm not even sure in what context they'd do that. Who knows, they could surprise us.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on December 11, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
I coulda swore I heard that rumour, but now can't find any evidence of it.  Thought it was strange at the time I'd heard it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 11, 2020, 01:11:41 PM
If they want to end the character and/or Ruffalo's contract, they could easily present him as weakened and vulnerable due to his use of the gauntlet and stones, and kill him off.  But as to rumors of doing that, I hadn't heard anything either.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on December 11, 2020, 05:39:53 PM
The new Wandavision trailer is so goddamn intriguing, out of the gates that's looking to be the best of the lot.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ThatOneGuy2112 on December 12, 2020, 10:14:42 AM
D.B. Cooper being Loki cracks me up for some reason. Really looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on December 13, 2020, 07:57:14 AM
So I just watched the full announcement by Lord Feige himself. The next four years are going to be fucking dope. What If looks absolutely insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs2ij2L8f9E&ab_channel=EverythingAlways (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs2ij2L8f9E&ab_channel=EverythingAlways)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 13, 2020, 08:21:11 AM
I loved the MCU and thought Infinity War and Endgame were both great.

But how much better would Endgame have been if that was the final movie in the MCU ?

Obviously it's not cause of $$$. But imagine if they'd stopped that particular universe there.

I'm worried now that they can't keep it going like before and only have the potential to undo all their good work.

That being said - i'm still looking forward to Spiderman 3 - Doctor Strange 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy 3.


Who is the next big bad going to be ? Are they starting from the bottom again with all new characters ? How do you go bigger than Thanos ?  :justjen
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on December 13, 2020, 08:31:52 AM
I think as well that the MCU has probably peaked with Endgame, but that doesn't mean there can't still be many great movies to come. Of course Disney is going to milk their investment for all it's worth instead of just being happy with their returns so far. I'm sure there will be some great movies and some duds just like there have been before. But overall the future of the MCU is still bright.

I'm not a comic reader, but my understanding is that there are several villains more powerful than Thanos that have not been seen in the MCU yet.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 13, 2020, 08:51:25 AM
Spiderman Far From home was kind of an Endgame epilogue...


But I think the next MCU movie should come out in 2024 - to give everyone a chance to mis it and get excited again.

I mean hasn't that franchise made over $10bn so far ?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on December 13, 2020, 12:58:06 PM
I mean hasn't that franchise made over $10bn so far ?
It's made over $20bn.

EDIT: In terms of box office revenues, that is.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 13, 2020, 02:47:48 PM
Yes I meant specifically Iron Man (2008) up until Endgame (2019).

Box Office Mojo has gone Pro now so you can't look up stuff like that anymore. Annoying as fuck since it used to be one of my fave websites for Box Office info.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 14, 2020, 05:02:16 PM
I loved the MCU and thought Infinity War and Endgame were both great.

But how much better would Endgame have been if that was the final movie in the MCU ?

I'm not sure how it being the final movie or not changes anything.  It was pretty great, and would still be the same movie if there was nothing after it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 15, 2020, 03:46:45 PM
But it was such a perfect end to that whole saga that they can only harm it by making awful movies going forward.

Are they planning on another seperate story for the next ten years ?

I know We will have sequels of Phase 3 films and Anthony Mackie is the new Cap etc...

I wonder if they do really badly ( unlikely I know - but people MUST get tired of the formula eventually ) - you know they'll bring back Tony Stark via timey wimey stuff.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 15, 2020, 03:47:45 PM
But it was such a perfect end to that whole saga that they can only harm it by making awful movies going forward.

Are they planning on another seperate story for the next ten years ?

I know We will have sequels of Phase 3 films and Anthony Mackie is the new Cap etc...

I wonder if they do really badly ( unlikely I know - but people MUST get tired of the formula eventually ) - you know they'll bring back Tony Stark via timey wimey stuff.

No.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 15, 2020, 03:48:14 PM
Oh i forgot where I was.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorAction on December 15, 2020, 04:00:02 PM
I don't think they'll screw it up. They've done such a cracking job turning a huge mass of (arguably) arbitrary canon into something hugely appealing and compelling thus far. For example, I love comics but I'm not a superhero guy. I was as a kid but wasn't hugely into it. And Captain America I could not have cared less about. Those little wings? Please. But Cap in the movies? Love him! Thor in the comics? Meh. Just not my bag. Thor played by Hemsworth? Wow! I think it's hard to overstate what a phenomenal creative victory the MCU movies are. That kind of talent and insight is not accidental - so I have faith. Can't wait for whatever comes next.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 15, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
I'll see Thor 4

Doctor Strange 2 ( even though i'm not a massive fan of the look of Sam Raimi's films - too Son of Mask for my liking )

Guardians 3

Maybe Spidey 3

But i'm not interested in any new characters.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on December 15, 2020, 04:15:12 PM
I'm not super interested in the new characters either, but I'll certainly check out the movies. There hasn't been a character thus far that I don't enjoy, even those that didn't sound all that interesting before the movies came out.

I do think eventually the Marvel formula and superheroes in general will get stale and the popularity will wane, but for now I'll check out anything Marvel releases.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on December 15, 2020, 04:44:35 PM
they can only harm it by making awful movies going forward.

Most people have perspective and just look at it as a period when things were really hitting all the marks versus another period when things weren't as cracking the whole time.  Does a band making an album you don't like ruin their previous works for you?  Does a singer releasing a crappy song hurt their other songs?  Why would a subpar movie hurt what came before it?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on December 15, 2020, 05:53:29 PM
I feel they'll slowly step away from all the first wave of characters, especially with F4 on the horizon and X-Men still in the wings. My daughter was quick to point out that Wandavision seems to take directly from the House of M storyline, and after a bit of research, I'd definitely agree (she outnerds me time and time again, so proud!!), which may serve as a place to start bringing the Xmen universe in. As long as they hold the quality, Marvel nerds will show up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on December 16, 2020, 08:37:51 AM
I watched Captain America last night.  Good movie.  I was never a Capt. fan in the comics (first, I was a DC guy, and what Marvel I did read was Spidey and Fantastic Four) but I liked it.  It was fun and engaging.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on December 16, 2020, 09:31:31 AM
I wouldn't worry too much about the Marvel formula. It seems, at least for this phase (and the last bits of the last phase) they're going more team up movies in general. Thor has a ton of other people in it now, Spider-Man has Dr. Strange (among others), Captain Marvel has Ms. Marvel and Monica. Eternals is already a team. Black Widow has her other Russian family people. It seems to focus less on one specific individual and more on a team up. I think that'll work.

Might not use that for Blade, but Marvel isn't dumb. Everyone on every board is saying the same thing about the Marvel formula growing boring in future and not being interested in B or C list characters. They are aware of all of that and are making the movies with all of that in mind. Will they succeed? Hopefully, but it won't be because they're in a secluded bubble about it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 16, 2020, 10:15:09 AM
TL,DR


Marvel isn't dumb.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 16, 2020, 11:29:38 AM
:lolpalm:

I read that the 4 hour Snyder cut of Justice League will have "F bombs in"...

Yeah I chose the right franchise.  I liked Wonder Woman ( dat theme ! ) but the rest of it was pretty terrible and I didn't bother with Suicide Squad or FishMan.


Also - Hot Take - Blade Trinity was a great movie. Ryan Reynolds makes every superhero movie he's in better.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 16, 2020, 11:32:19 AM
Does a singer releasing a crappy song hurt their other songs?  Why would a subpar movie hurt what came before it?

I don't mean one bad movie will completely ruin the last ten years. I'm just worried the overall quality will gradually trend downwards.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on December 16, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
They've been amazing so far, so yeah, it's a valid concern that they may not be able to keep things at that high level.  I just disagree with the mentality that something done now can adversely affect what came before it.  Sure, the average overall quality of the films may dip a bit, but people do say things like "...and then they made <movie> which ruined the whole series!"  No, they made a movie you didn't like.  Ignore it, and enjoy the others.  Simple as that.

The only exception I can think of is when a later movie retcons key elements in the series, and do it poorly or introduce something really stupid, to the point where you can't watch the older films without thinking about what is "really" going on supposedly.  Makes it harder to ignore, for sure, but it can be done.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on December 16, 2020, 12:13:43 PM
The only exception I can think of is when a later movie retcons key elements in the series, and do it poorly or introduce something really stupid, to the point where you can't watch the older films without thinking about what is "really" going on supposedly.  Makes it harder to ignore, for sure, but it can be done.

I hadn't thought about that specific possibility, but I guess that is actually a pretty reasonable possibility.  I mean, as has been said repeatedly, Marvel knows what they are doing, and they have a great track record of not falling into that trap.  But on the flip side, once you start dealing with time travel or multiverses, and all the zaniness and inherent conflicts those types of plot devices can inherently invoke, I think it is easier to fall into that trap.  And I think we actually started to see that a bit in Endgame.  There were definitely a few moments in that film that feel inconsistent and/or feel that there is some retconning going on.  But they are easily forgivable and easy to overlook because of how good the film is overall, how invested we are in all the characters, and how invested we are in the universe as a whole.  The second two factors will be present in any film going forward, and I think that will make it easy to forgive a lot of things in future films, even if the films themselves aren't as good. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on December 16, 2020, 01:51:39 PM
The only exception I can think of is when a later movie retcons key elements in the series, and do it poorly or introduce something really stupid, to the point where you can't watch the older films without thinking about what is "really" going on supposedly.  Makes it harder to ignore, for sure, but it can be done.

I hadn't thought about that specific possibility, but I guess that is actually a pretty reasonable possibility.  I mean, as has been said repeatedly, Marvel knows what they are doing, and they have a great track record of not falling into that trap.  But on the flip side, once you start dealing with time travel or multiverses, and all the zaniness and inherent conflicts those types of plot devices can inherently invoke, I think it is easier to fall into that trap.  And I think we actually started to see that a bit in Endgame.  There were definitely a few moments in that film that feel inconsistent and/or feel that there is some retconning going on.  But they are easily forgivable and easy to overlook because of how good the film is overall, how invested we are in all the characters, and how invested we are in the universe as a whole.  The second two factors will be present in any film going forward, and I think that will make it easy to forgive a lot of things in future films, even if the films themselves aren't as good. 
I agree with all that, but also more than that I think the way they brought in time travel (if you change something in the past, it creates a branch into another timeline - the past in your universe hasn't changed) was clever and avoided the trap of undoing everything in the previous films.

I'm aware there were also some more minor changes to past events than had previously been described, but none of those felt significant at all and you get that with any franchises included much smaller, simpler ones.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on December 16, 2020, 11:15:12 PM

Yeah I chose the right franchise.  I liked Wonder Woman ( dat theme ! )

The only thing hotter than that theme is the girl playing it.. Tina Guo is just :hearts:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on December 17, 2020, 02:24:45 AM
Wonder Woman 1984 looks good but the trailer made it seem they were aping the Thor Ragnarok style a bit.

Oh and Thor Ragnarok has probably the greatest trailer in recent memory.

Whoever decided on Immigrant Song for that film needs all the money. It's fuckin PERFECT.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Podaar on December 17, 2020, 05:18:45 AM
Wonder Woman 1984 looks good but the trailer made it seem they were aping the Thor Ragnarok style a bit.


What they were going for was more of a Christopher Reeve Superman movie amped up the "decade of excess" that the 80's were know for.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on December 27, 2020, 05:30:35 PM
I jujst finished watching WW84, man, there's no fucking wait to have my 2.24 hours back, right? Jeez!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on January 11, 2021, 12:27:33 PM
So it looks like Deadpool 3 will be part of the MCU (R-rated). Does this means we will see more X-Men characters in the MCU?  :justjen

https://collider.com/deadpool-3-mcu-confirmed-r-rating-filming-details-kevin-feige-interview/
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 11, 2021, 02:34:52 PM
WandaVision on Friday!  :caffeine:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 11, 2021, 02:39:14 PM
WandaVision on Friday!  :caffeine:

Really pumped for this!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 11, 2021, 03:53:24 PM
I think I read that they are dropping 2 episodes for us the first week.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Lonk on January 11, 2021, 06:33:54 PM
I think I read that they are dropping 2 episodes for us the first week.

Correct, then 1 episode a week. It will end just in time for Falcon and Winter Soldier  :D
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 11, 2021, 07:22:49 PM
Do I want to watch this?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 11, 2021, 07:28:18 PM
jingle.son told me Disney has pretty much timed/scheduled things so that all the upcoming Marvel and Star Wars series' are going to drop pretty consecutively with little/no gaps in between.  Between that and the four feature films, 2021 is gonna be a massive year for the MCU and Star Wars.

I'm also looking forward to checking out the Legends vignette's.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on January 11, 2021, 07:28:29 PM
Do I want to watch this?

I just read the premise - it's a sitcom show with Scarlet Witch and Vision (she supposedly recreates him in her memories via her powers, or through a multiverse scenario).   Each week/episode is themed after a different era of sitcoms (50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, etc.). 

It will directly set up Doctor Strange 2. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 11, 2021, 08:01:52 PM
I'm also looking forward to checking out the Legends vignette's.

Without revealing too much, I'll just say:  They are nice to remind you of each character's story arc to get you anticipating the episodes this Friday.  But there is nothing "new" in them whatsoever, and you may walk away feeling underwhelmed if you are expecting new content.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 11, 2021, 09:17:43 PM
I'm also looking forward to checking out the Legends vignette's.

Without revealing too much, I'll just say:  They are nice to remind you of each character's story arc to get you anticipating the episodes this Friday.  But there is nothing "new" in them whatsoever, and you may walk away feeling underwhelmed if you are expecting new content.

I think I figured it was mostly (entirely) a "review" of them.  I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 12, 2021, 08:39:34 AM
Do I want to watch this?

I just read the premise - it's a sitcom show with Scarlet Witch and Vision (she supposedly recreates him in her memories via her powers, or through a multiverse scenario).   Each week/episode is themed after a different era of sitcoms (50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, etc.). 

It will directly set up Doctor Strange 2.

When my daughter suggested we watch the MCU straight through, she was hoping to see Liam Helmsworth (inside joke: I know it's Chris Hemsworth), and I was almost exclusively looking forward to Dr. Strange.  One of my favorite characters in the Marvel comic books (Steve Ditko!).   So if this is part of that, I'll be watching.  Thanks!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 12, 2021, 08:43:41 AM
Don’t watch WandaVision hoping for it to be about Dr. Strange. It’ll connect to his movie but, unless he makes a surprise cameo, he’s not in it.

It’s about an Uber powerful mutant who creates her own reality out of grief and it slowly unravels as the outside world tries to reach her.

It sounds great.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 12, 2021, 10:40:48 AM
Don’t watch WandaVision hoping for it to be about Dr. Strange. It’ll connect to his movie but, unless he makes a surprise cameo, he’s not in it.

It’s about an Uber powerful mutant who creates her own reality out of grief and it slowly unravels as the outside world tries to reach her.

It sounds great.

I'm prepared for that (no appearance); I'm okay with the threads.  I got into a debate with my kid about watching Captain Marvel; she said it wasn't relevant, you don't need it, and I, being the completist I am, said yes you do.   I think, so far, grand scheme of things she's probably right, but I like the connectiveness I get from having watched it.

I'll probably watch this.  This is the girl from the coda of... was it Captain Marvel Winter Soldier?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 12, 2021, 10:46:40 AM
Don’t watch WandaVision hoping for it to be about Dr. Strange. It’ll connect to his movie but, unless he makes a surprise cameo, he’s not in it.

It’s about an Uber powerful mutant who creates her own reality out of grief and it slowly unravels as the outside world tries to reach her.

It sounds great.

I'm prepared for that (no appearance); I'm okay with the threads.  I got into a debate with my kid about watching Captain Marvel; she said it wasn't relevant, you don't need it, and I, being the completist I am, said yes you do.   I think, so far, grand scheme of things she's probably right, but I like the connectiveness I get from having watched it.

I'll probably watch this.  This is the girl from the coda of... was it Captain Marvel Winter Soldier?

Scarlet Witch? She was in Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame. Maybe the post credits for Winter Soldier.

Also the little girl from Captain Marvel (her friend's daughter) is in WandaVision, but all grown up.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 12, 2021, 10:55:22 AM
Don’t watch WandaVision hoping for it to be about Dr. Strange. It’ll connect to his movie but, unless he makes a surprise cameo, he’s not in it.

It’s about an Uber powerful mutant who creates her own reality out of grief and it slowly unravels as the outside world tries to reach her.

It sounds great.

I'm prepared for that (no appearance); I'm okay with the threads.  I got into a debate with my kid about watching Captain Marvel; she said it wasn't relevant, you don't need it, and I, being the completist I am, said yes you do.   I think, so far, grand scheme of things she's probably right, but I like the connectiveness I get from having watched it.

I'll probably watch this.  This is the girl from the coda of... was it Captain Marvel Winter Soldier?

Scarlet Witch? She was in Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame. Maybe the post credits for Winter Soldier.

Also the little girl from Captain Marvel (her friend's daughter) is in WandaVision, but all grown up.

Yes; I've only seen Winter Soldier from that list, and she was in the mid-credits scene.    Cool.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 12, 2021, 11:01:09 AM
???  I thought you had seen them all.  Why did you watch Captain Marvel if you haven't watched those that preceded it?  I am so confused. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2021, 11:01:53 AM
I think Captain Marvel is relevant and important.  It makes a subsequent appearance more impactful (imo).  It's a bottom tier MCU movie, but still a good one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 12, 2021, 11:02:54 AM
???  I thought you had seen them all.  Why did you watch Captain Marvel if you haven't watched those that preceded it?  I am so confused.

Can't answer this. Obviously we all know Stads is wrong on everything all the time.

That said, whenever I do my Marvel rewatch (which I will at some point this year) I'll do Captain Marvel 2nd after Captain America, since I'll be doing it in "in universe" chronology. Maybe he's doing that?
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 12, 2021, 11:03:16 AM
I think Captain Marvel is relevant and important.  It makes a subsequent appearance more impactful (imo).  It's a bottom tier MCU movie, but still a good one.

Agreed on all of that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 12, 2021, 11:33:33 AM
???  I thought you had seen them all.  Why did you watch Captain Marvel if you haven't watched those that preceded it?  I am so confused.

We're not watching it in order of theatrical release, but in order of the place in the MCU.  My daughter has this list from the internet - so it MUST be correct - and we're watching it in that order.  It's not perfectly chronological, because I had already seen Iron Man, TIH, and Iron Man 2 before.

I've seen:
- Iron Man
- The Incredible Hulk
- Iron Man 2
- Capt. America: The First Avenger (LOVED this movie)
- Capt. Marvel
- Thor
- The Avengers
- Iron Man 3
- Thor: Dark World (god is Jane Foster annoying; I would ditch her for Sif in a HEARTBEAT). 
- Capt. America: Winter Soldier
- Guardians Of The Galaxy
- Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2

Next up are:
- Avengers: Age Of Ultron
- Ant-Man
- Capt. America: Civil War
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on January 12, 2021, 11:36:29 AM
I think Captain Marvel is relevant and important.  It makes a subsequent appearance more impactful (imo).  It's a bottom tier MCU movie, but still a good one.

Agreed on all of that.

Yep, not a super-great movie, but good enough, and an important part of the larger universe.

I've considered watching them all in chronological order, but first, anything that involves "watching them all" is a huge undertaking.  And while I like nearly all of the MCU movies, and have enormous respect for the universe they've built and how well they pulled off such a ridiculous endeavor, I'm not a raving fanboy.  Not enough to commit to 50+ hours (or whatever it works out to) just to do it.  Second reason is that I kinda like putting together the puzzle.  They weren't released in chronological order, but there are connections and callbacks everywhere, plus the all-important post-credits and mid-credits scenes.  I like the feeling of watching something and realizing how it connects to something I hadn't seen yet at the time, but now appreciate.  In other words, now that I've seen them all and have the entire picture, there's not really that much to be gained by watching them all again in order.  They weren't actually made to be viewed that way.  You can't spin the dial these days without catching an MCU movie, which we often do, so I'm fine just sitting down and watching a two-hour piece of the puzzle once in a while.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 12, 2021, 01:03:43 PM
???  I thought you had seen them all.  Why did you watch Captain Marvel if you haven't watched those that preceded it?  I am so confused.

We're not watching it in order of theatrical release, but in order of the place in the MCU.  My daughter has this list from the internet - so it MUST be correct - and we're watching it in that order.  It's not perfectly chronological, because I had already seen Iron Man, TIH, and Iron Man 2 before.

Oh, OK.  I don't have any MAJOR beef with that order.  I mean, Cap. should go right before The Avengers.  It was released that way for a reason, and I think the flow of those two films back to back is the best potential order.  But at least that chronology that you have doesn't put Cap. as the first film.  I get why they would do that chronologically.  But in terms of the bigger universe story, it's really dumb and I hate it.  I would never watch in that order. 

Anyhow, as relevant to the discussion we were having, you are about to get the first real dose of Wanda/Scarlet Witch, as well as the introduction of Vision.  Hope you like Age of Ultron.  I did.  But there is a contingency of fans that felt it was a letdown.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 12, 2021, 04:02:14 PM
Don’t watch WandaVision hoping for it to be about Dr. Strange. It’ll connect to his movie but, unless he makes a surprise cameo, he’s not in it.

It’s about an Uber powerful mutant who creates her own reality out of grief and it slowly unravels as the outside world tries to reach her.

It sounds great.

I'm prepared for that (no appearance); I'm okay with the threads.  I got into a debate with my kid about watching Captain Marvel; she said it wasn't relevant, you don't need it, and I, being the completist I am, said yes you do.   I think, so far, grand scheme of things she's probably right, but I like the connectiveness I get from having watched it.

I'll probably watch this.  This is the girl from the coda of... was it Captain Marvel Winter Soldier?

Scarlet Witch? She was in Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame. Maybe the post credits for Winter Soldier.

Also the little girl from Captain Marvel (her friend's daughter) is in WandaVision, but all grown up.

Yes; I've only seen Winter Soldier from that list, and she was in the mid-credits scene.    Cool.
Honestly, if you don't watch everything else BEFORE WandaVision, you're going to be confused as hell.

From what I've seen, I will be confused as hell, and I've seen every MCU film multiple times.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 12, 2021, 04:04:42 PM
Yea, since half of the show is The Vision and what goes on with him in the last 2 Avengers films, not knowing that will make the show really weird.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2021, 04:08:14 PM
Yea, since half of the show is The Vision and what goes on with him in the last 2 Avengers films, not knowing that will make the show really weird.

This this this.  No one should watch W-V without getting to Infinity War and (to a lesser extent) Endgame.

Save W-V until you've finished the movies.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 12, 2021, 04:47:18 PM
Oh, absolutely.  I think Stadler knows that (and if he is watching chronologically, I don't think he would plan to watch Wandavision yet anyway).  But just in case:  STADLER, DO NOT FINISH WANDAVISION UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN ALL THE FILMS THROUGH ENDGAME.

I have spoken.

:banhammer:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 12, 2021, 07:43:43 PM
Actually, I appreciate the advise; I may have just dove in.   I can wait (and I will).

The movies are a big undertaking, but it's as much about watching it with my wife and daughter.  They're just ogling the abs but still.     
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on January 12, 2021, 08:04:40 PM
You’ve got some GREAT ones coming up. Enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 12, 2021, 09:17:43 PM
You’ve got some GREAT ones coming up. Enjoy the ride!

Indeed .... arguably the best ones.

Oh, absolutely.  I think Stadler knows that (and if he is watching chronologically, I don't think he would plan to watch Wandavision yet anyway).  But just in case:  STADLER, DO NOT FINISH WANDAVISION UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN ALL THE FILMS THROUGH ENDGAME.

I have spoken.

:banhammer:

This is the way.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 12, 2021, 10:42:56 PM
You’ve got some GREAT ones coming up. Enjoy the ride!

Indeed .... arguably the best ones.

Oh, absolutely.  I think Stadler knows that (and if he is watching chronologically, I don't think he would plan to watch Wandavision yet anyway).  But just in case:  STADLER, DO NOT FINISH WANDAVISION UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN ALL THE FILMS THROUGH ENDGAME.

I have spoken.

:banhammer:

This is the way.

It is known.   (Mixing franchises, but just wanted to be in there somewhere.)
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on January 15, 2021, 02:18:23 PM
Wandavision is extremely well done, this show is going to be outstanding.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on January 15, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
Wandavision is extremely well done, this show is going to be outstanding.

I couldn't resist myself and got a D+ subscription with some friends. I guess now I know what I'll be watching tonight after I finish working...
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 15, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
Wandavision is extremely well done, this show is going to be outstanding.

this is after-dinner viewing for jingle.son and I tonight.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on January 15, 2021, 03:02:14 PM
Wandavision is extremely well done, this show is going to be outstanding.

this is after-dinner viewing for jingle.son and I tonight.

I'm curious to see what your kid's opinion is, since a lot of the shoe's appeal draws on being familiar with old school tube like I Love Lucy and Bewitched. I haven't heard from Alora about it yet, but I know she had a quirky affinity for the campy stuff so I think she'll dig it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 15, 2021, 03:05:28 PM
How campy is it? 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2021, 03:31:08 PM
How campy is it?

This is actually very hard to answer without going into spoilers. It's not campy in a mocking way at all. It's campy in the sense that what we're seeing (a 50's sitcom) is clearly NOT reality and is therefore built on a character's ideas of a sitcom, thus lots of tropes. It's hard to explain.

I should also add, it's a slow burn. This is not a show that is jumping straight into action. It's taking its time to really build the world/characters and the psychology behind what is happening. So there's intrigue, but no big anything. So if you go in expecting explosions and quips and fighting, you won't dig the first two episodes.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 15, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
The more I think about it, the more I worry these first two episodes will get bad to mixed reviews because of what they're going for. They really are, mostly, two episodes of an odd 50's sitcom with some sinister intrigue happening in the background. I hope people don't expect anything like Daredevil or Agents of Shield or anything else the MCU has done.

I think if you have an open mind, you might like it, but if you want something with excitement and action and a quick paced plot, this might not work.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 16, 2021, 04:50:49 AM
Wandavision is extremely well done, this show is going to be outstanding.

this is after-dinner viewing for jingle.son and I tonight.

I'm curious to see what your kid's opinion is, since a lot of the shoe's appeal draws on being familiar with old school tube like I Love Lucy and Bewitched. I haven't heard from Alora about it yet, but I know she had a quirky affinity for the campy stuff so I think she'll dig it.

No specific commentary on the style of the episodes from him.  He knows (more than me) what's rumoured to be coming up in the rest of the series, so he's being patient.

They really are, mostly, two episodes of an odd 50's sitcom with some sinister intrigue happening in the background. I hope people don't expect anything like Daredevil or Agents of Shield or anything else the MCU has done.

I think if you have an open mind, you might like it, but if you want something with excitement and action and a quick paced plot, this might not work.

Nailed it (yes, NAILED IT!  :biggrin:).  I think Disney did such a big marketing campaign, you'd have to be a moron to think it was gonna be action-packed.  Frankly, I'm still not expecting a ton of 'action' per se, but more of a psychological thriller.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorAction on January 16, 2021, 09:34:37 AM
Just seen ep 1 so far. Perfect styling but wasn't entertained or intrigued yet. I'll stick with it as it's Marvel so I'm sure they'll deliver.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 16, 2021, 10:06:43 AM
How campy is it?

This is actually very hard to answer without going into spoilers. It's not campy in a mocking way at all. It's campy in the sense that what we're seeing (a 50's sitcom) is clearly NOT reality and is therefore built on a character's ideas of a sitcom, thus lots of tropes. It's hard to explain.

I should also add, it's a slow burn. This is not a show that is jumping straight into action. It's taking its time to really build the world/characters and the psychology behind what is happening. So there's intrigue, but no big anything. So if you go in expecting explosions and quips and fighting, you won't dig the first two episodes.

I don't mind the pastiches/homages/whatever they are, and staying in theme isn't camp to me.   I was thinking more about the way those themes are presented.  I don't really care for knowing winks to the camera, breaking the fourth wall, that sort of thing.  For example, I didn't think The Truman Show was campy, but it very much required a suspension of disbelief.

They're not perfect, but the MCU has done about as good a job as you can possibly do to incorporate humor into it without falling victim to what I call the "Arnold" syndrome, which is where before, during and after every life-threatening battle there's a knowing wink to the audience, there's the catch-phrase (which you can guarantee will be on a t-shirt and soda cup before you leave the theatre) and a near-impossible ballet move that not only beats the bad guy but makes him look foolish AND sets the hero up for yet another witty, "hilarious" (in quotes because they are usually not, to me) quip.   
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorAction on January 16, 2021, 03:52:41 PM
Enjoyed episode 2.  :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: King Postwhore on January 16, 2021, 06:33:11 PM
I loved the homage to Bewitched in the second episode.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: MinistroRaven on January 16, 2021, 09:25:08 PM
WandaVision: Every MCU Easter Egg In Episodes 1 & 2

https://screenrant.com/wandavision-episode-1-2-mcu-marvel-easter-eggs
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorAction on January 17, 2021, 01:09:14 AM
I loved the homage to Bewitched in the second episode.

Thank you! That's the show I couldn't remember the name of when we were watching and taking about it last night.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 17, 2021, 10:50:04 AM
Watched Capt. America: Civil War and about half of Spider-Man: Homecoming last night.   Loved both.  Really happy with the Spider-Man character; funny without being hipster quippy.   Happy to see Michael Keaton, too, who always makes the movies he's in better than they would have been (even the ones that would have been great to start with).

Nice to see Marisa Tomei, too, but she looks like she's falling into that "older actress/celebrity taking the "thin" to extremes" thing that afflicted Courtney Cox, Jennifer Connolly and Madonna. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on January 17, 2021, 08:27:59 PM
Keaton made such a good villain
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorAction on January 18, 2021, 03:00:46 AM
They're great movies. It's amazing that yet another incarnation of Spider Man wasn't dull or tiresome but I continue to be awed by how great Marvel Studios is.

(Marisa Tomei still looks fantastic to these eyes)

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on January 18, 2021, 05:25:14 AM
My only wish is that the MCU Spiderman movies weren't about Iron Man so much. Hopefully they move away from than in the third one.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 18, 2021, 05:58:18 AM
My only wish is that the MCU Spiderman movies weren't about Iron Man so much. Hopefully they move away from than in the third one.

Given the timing/way they had to introduce Spidey, and the pivotal role that Tony played along with Peter/Spidey in the Civil War comic event, it only made sense.  I think they did it perfect justice for Far From Home, again... considering the timing within the MCU and the events of Endgame.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2021, 07:19:46 AM
Dr. Strange.  WOW.   I loved that movie.  I get what it was - an origin story - but I thought it was a great movie.  I watched it with my daughter and wife and they didn't like it as much as I did (I joked that it had the least amount of abs of any MCU movie to date, but I wonder if I was closer to the mark than I realized!).    I also had the comics in mind; I wasn't a Dr. Strange junkie, but I LOVED Steve Ditko's art in those old comics, and I thought it was so far beyond - stylistically - from what the other books at the time were showing.  I thought the movie captured that feel, that style, as well as any of the MCU movies. 

I'm a little leery about the tonal changes between movies - jokey Guardians/Ant-man, serious Captain America, spiritual Dr. Strange - and I think it might be the one draw-back of binging on these movies, but I also haven't seen how this all ties together just yet. 

Either way, I'm fired up for the next Dr. Strange movie.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 18, 2021, 07:27:20 AM
I think it definitely could be an issue of binging them. Spread out over 10 years, it was kinda necessary to have different tones/styles/moods etc... otherwise you have 18 movies that could ultimately feel samey, and lose their appeal and freshness of the MCU franchise.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lordxizor on January 18, 2021, 08:47:46 AM
I think it definitely could be an issue of binging them. Spread out over 10 years, it was kinda necessary to have different tones/styles/moods etc... otherwise you have 18 movies that could ultimately feel samey, and lose their appeal and freshness of the MCU franchise.
Yeah, absolutely. They feel samey enough as it is. If they all had the same tone on top of the same structure, it would get old very quickly.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: T-ski on January 18, 2021, 08:54:35 AM
I finally saw Captain Marvel, it wasn’t very good, even though I’m in love with Brie Larson.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2021, 08:56:54 AM
I think I agree with you guys.   And it's not really a complaint; the characters demand a different tone.   Iron Man is funny, but in an acidic, acerbic way.  Capt. America isn't that funny (at least not on purpose).  Spidey is funny but in a more innocent, naive way.  Guardians is funny in a more ribald way.   Thor isn't that funny himself, but rather his place in the world.   

The interesting thing is how they will all fit together in the subsequent Avengers movies (which I haven't seen).

I will say this: I can't believe I've watched 17 - SEVENTEEN - movies in less than a month, all related to the larger story-line.  Every MCU film I watch makes me more disappointed in the Star Wars and DC universes, and how those franchises have underachieved.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 18, 2021, 09:01:30 AM
I will say this: I can't believe I've watched 17 - SEVENTEEN - movies in less than a month, all related to the larger story-line.  Every MCU film I watch makes me more disappointed in the Star Wars and DC universes, and how those franchises have underachieved.

They definitely set a high bar, but DC had no problem stumbling, falling down and simply crawling underneath that bar time after time.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2021, 09:05:43 AM
I will say this: I can't believe I've watched 17 - SEVENTEEN - movies in less than a month, all related to the larger story-line.  Every MCU film I watch makes me more disappointed in the Star Wars and DC universes, and how those franchises have underachieved.

They definitely set a high bar, but DC had no problem stumbling, falling down and simply crawling underneath that bar time after time.

And yet teh MCU... some I liked better (Dr. Strange; both Guardians) than others (The Incredible Hulk, Captain Marvel) but I have yet to watch one where I said "wow, that was a wasted two hours!". 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on January 18, 2021, 11:00:07 AM
I will say this: I can't believe I've watched 17 - SEVENTEEN - movies in less than a month, all related to the larger story-line.  Every MCU film I watch makes me more disappointed in the Star Wars and DC universes, and how those franchises have underachieved.

They definitely set a high bar, but DC had no problem stumbling, falling down and simply crawling underneath that bar time after time.

And yet teh MCU... some I liked better (Dr. Strange; both Guardians) than others (The Incredible Hulk, Captain Marvel) but I have yet to watch one where I said "wow, that was a wasted two hours!".

I’ve been saying this for a while, but I absolutely feel this way about all 23 films so far. There’s been a few that have been a bit lackluster, but not a single one where I felt like I didn’t have fun and wasted two hours. That’s an incredible achievement!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: ariich on January 18, 2021, 11:09:10 AM
I will say this: I can't believe I've watched 17 - SEVENTEEN - movies in less than a month, all related to the larger story-line.  Every MCU film I watch makes me more disappointed in the Star Wars and DC universes, and how those franchises have underachieved.

They definitely set a high bar, but DC had no problem stumbling, falling down and simply crawling underneath that bar time after time.

And yet teh MCU... some I liked better (Dr. Strange; both Guardians) than others (The Incredible Hulk, Captain Marvel) but I have yet to watch one where I said "wow, that was a wasted two hours!". 
Spot on - even the weakest ones (and we all have different views on which those are) are both enjoyable enough to watch *and* fit various characters and or story arcs into the larger narrative of the MCU in an interesting way.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on January 18, 2021, 02:53:11 PM
I will say this: I can't believe I've watched 17 - SEVENTEEN - movies in less than a month, all related to the larger story-line.  Every MCU film I watch makes me more disappointed in the Star Wars and DC universes, and how those franchises have underachieved.

They definitely set a high bar, but DC had no problem stumbling, falling down and simply crawling underneath that bar time after time.

And yet teh MCU... some I liked better (Dr. Strange; both Guardians) than others (The Incredible Hulk, Captain Marvel) but I have yet to watch one where I said "wow, that was a wasted two hours!".

The good thing is you took the plunge. I’ll never understand the reasoning of those who don’t.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on January 18, 2021, 03:03:00 PM
Watched Capt. America: Civil War and about half of Spider-Man: Homecoming last night.   Loved both.  Really happy with the Spider-Man character; funny without being hipster quippy.   Happy to see Michael Keaton, too, who always makes the movies he's in better than they would have been (even the ones that would have been great to start with).

Nice to see Marisa Tomei, too, but she looks like she's falling into that "older actress/celebrity taking the "thin" to extremes" thing that afflicted Courtney Cox, Jennifer Connolly and Madonna.

What did you think of Ultron? I think it’s underrated.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jingle.boy on January 18, 2021, 03:04:56 PM
Watched Capt. America: Civil War and about half of Spider-Man: Homecoming last night.   Loved both.  Really happy with the Spider-Man character; funny without being hipster quippy.   Happy to see Michael Keaton, too, who always makes the movies he's in better than they would have been (even the ones that would have been great to start with).

Nice to see Marisa Tomei, too, but she looks like she's falling into that "older actress/celebrity taking the "thin" to extremes" thing that afflicted Courtney Cox, Jennifer Connolly and Madonna.

What did you think of Ultron? I think it’s underrated.

I think it's unnecessarily maligned.  Other than some elements of the opening sequence (Thor and that wooden tower) being too video gam-ish, I don't have any major issues with it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2021, 03:30:49 PM
I will say this: I can't believe I've watched 17 - SEVENTEEN - movies in less than a month, all related to the larger story-line.  Every MCU film I watch makes me more disappointed in the Star Wars and DC universes, and how those franchises have underachieved.

They definitely set a high bar, but DC had no problem stumbling, falling down and simply crawling underneath that bar time after time.

And yet teh MCU... some I liked better (Dr. Strange; both Guardians) than others (The Incredible Hulk, Captain Marvel) but I have yet to watch one where I said "wow, that was a wasted two hours!".

The good thing is you took the plunge. I’ll never understand the reasoning of those who don’t.

I always meant to - although mostly DC and Fantastic Four, I'm a comic book fanboy from way back - but since I rarely see movies in the theater, it got to where I thought I would wait for a couple films to come out, then it quickly got to where I was WAY behind, it was out of hand so that it was almost daunting.  Finally with COVID and my daughter being home from school we bit the bullet. 

Ultron; I liked it a lot, actually.  Generally I like the interactions between the heroes, and I like Tony Stark, so the more that he's interacting with the other Avengers, I'm having a good time.   I'm a huge James Spader fan, so there's that, too; his voice was PERFECT for that character.   I'm still not sure I understand the Thanos storyline; I may need to supplement that a little bit.   I think the only criticism I can reasonably see for that movie is that it's the first time the number of characters gets a little unwieldly.   That, and it's the most we've seen of Clint Barton, who, frankly, does absolutely nothing for me (my daughter and I go around the house doing that stupid "shake" move where he opens his bow; we're not being complimentary, and we jokingly count his arrows).   Overall of the 17 I've seen, it's probably in the top half, but not in the top quarter if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Dream Team on January 18, 2021, 06:31:03 PM
 :tup
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Grappler on January 18, 2021, 07:10:45 PM
I'm still not sure I understand the Thanos storyline; I may need to supplement that a little bit. 

If you haven't yet seen Infinity War/Endgame, then there's not much of a need to supplement it.  The films do a really good job at explaining Thanos' motivations, and a few of the prior films (Guardians of the Galaxy in particular, and the dream sequence/Thor's vision in Age of Ultron) start introducing the existence of the Infinity Stones in the universe.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2021, 09:37:41 PM
I'm still not sure I understand the Thanos storyline; I may need to supplement that a little bit. 

If you haven't yet seen Infinity War/Endgame, then there's not much of a need to supplement it.  The films do a really good job at explaining Thanos' motivations, and a few of the prior films (Guardians of the Galaxy in particular, and the dream sequence/Thor's vision in Age of Ultron) start introducing the existence of the Infinity Stones in the universe.

I (think I) got all that; I just don't know (yet) who he is or where he comes from. I thought for a minute that he and Dromamam or whoever he is in Dr. Strange was Thanos, but now I don't think so.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 18, 2021, 09:40:09 PM
I'm still not sure I understand the Thanos storyline; I may need to supplement that a little bit. 

If you haven't yet seen Infinity War/Endgame, then there's not much of a need to supplement it.  The films do a really good job at explaining Thanos' motivations, and a few of the prior films (Guardians of the Galaxy in particular, and the dream sequence/Thor's vision in Age of Ultron) start introducing the existence of the Infinity Stones in the universe.

I (think I) got all that; I just don't know (yet) who he is or where he comes from. I thought for a minute that he and Dromamam or whoever he is in Dr. Strange was Thanos, but now I don't think so.

No. Thanos only appears in the Avengers movies post credits, and Guardians. Before Infinity War at least. He’s just kind a looming presence. You know he wants the infinity stones but that’s it.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stadler on January 18, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
I'm still not sure I understand the Thanos storyline; I may need to supplement that a little bit. 

If you haven't yet seen Infinity War/Endgame, then there's not much of a need to supplement it.  The films do a really good job at explaining Thanos' motivations, and a few of the prior films (Guardians of the Galaxy in particular, and the dream sequence/Thor's vision in Age of Ultron) start introducing the existence of the Infinity Stones in the universe.

I (think I) got all that; I just don't know (yet) who he is or where he comes from. I thought for a minute that he and Dromamam or whoever he is in Dr. Strange was Thanos, but now I don't think so.

No. Thanos only appears in the Avengers movies post credits, and Guardians. Before Infinity War at least. He’s just kind a looming presence. You know he wants the infinity stones but that’s it.

Then I'm up to speed. Yay!

My kid left for school this morning, until May.  Now I just have to convince her that it's nothing personal, but I'm not waiting until May to resume watching!!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on January 18, 2021, 09:48:04 PM
You definitely don’t wait for May.

Unless it’s Aunt May. You wait for that.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 18, 2021, 11:36:04 PM
Wow.  Buckle up, Stads.  You have 3 movies that are among the best the MCU has to offer, 1 pretty excellent one, and 2 pretty good ones.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on January 23, 2021, 09:59:26 PM
I’m starting over from the beginning tonight....again.

Now playing: Captain America - The First Avenger
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Post by: DoctorAction on January 24, 2021, 02:44:29 AM
I started a very slow rewatch last year. Watched Thor this week. Enjoyed it. Obvs, the character evolves and gets better over time but it's a good start.

I also have the first Cap this week.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2021, 07:07:13 PM
I liked the first two Thor movies, although I would probably rank them fairly low in the MCU as a whole.  At the time each came out, I thought each one was good.  Not great.  But good.  Nothing bad to say. 

Ragnarok was such a surprise.  It was the first time I felt that I had some major problems with how certain things played out in terms of plot.  But the character development and the development of the overall MCU plot were HUGE.  And now, after seeing where the character has come, it to me makes the first two films even better.  I would actually like to watch all the Thor and Avengers films as a series to focus on Thor's journey over those 7 films.
Title: Re: WandaVision Official Trailer - Disney+
Post by: countoftuscany42 on February 07, 2021, 03:49:08 PM
Any guesses for big game previews today? Maybe they’ll promote the back half of WV, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Falcon & Winter Soldier spot
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Post by: Adami on February 07, 2021, 03:59:43 PM
Any guesses for big game previews today? Maybe they’ll promote the back half of WV, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Falcon & Winter Soldier spot

Definitely a Winter Soldier Falcon spot. Maybe a Loki spot and probably a Black Widow one.

I doubt anything too exciting. At some point I'd like to see an Eternals teaser, but I get that we're still a long way away from that.
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on February 07, 2021, 05:00:40 PM
https://youtu.be/IWBsDaFWyTE

As expected, The Falcon and The Winter Soldier trailer!
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Post by: countoftuscany42 on February 07, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWBsDaFWyTE

The Falcon and The Winter Soldier - Official Trailer
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on February 09, 2021, 07:47:26 AM
So while I guess anything is possible, Tom Holland has flat out denied that Andrew Garfield and Toby MaGuire are in the sequel. I really wish the insane amount of huge rumors don’t ruin people’s expectations of the film and thus cause it to be a disappointment.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on February 09, 2021, 08:46:54 AM
So while I guess anything is possible, Tom Holland has flat out denied that Andrew Garfield and Toby MaGuire are in the sequel. I really wish the insane amount of huge rumors don’t ruin people’s expectations of the film and thus cause it to be a disappointment.

Fake news.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on February 09, 2021, 09:31:28 AM
So while I guess anything is possible, Tom Holland has flat out denied that Andrew Garfield and Toby MaGuire are in the sequel. I really wish the insane amount of huge rumors don’t ruin people’s expectations of the film and thus cause it to be a disappointment.

Fake news.

I’m just saying that if the movie doesn’t have every actor from every non-MCU marvel film in it as well as at least a cameo from Batman, it’ll be the worst movie ever made.
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Post by: gzarruk on February 09, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
So while I guess anything is possible, Tom Holland has flat out denied that Andrew Garfield and Toby MaGuire are in the sequel. I really wish the insane amount of huge rumors don’t ruin people’s expectations of the film and thus cause it to be a disappointment.

Fake news.

I’m just saying that if the movie doesn’t have every actor from every non-MCU marvel film in it as well as at least a cameo from Batman, it’ll be the worst movie ever made.

To be fair, Batman DID appear on Homecoming, though (Michael Keaton) :P
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on February 09, 2021, 09:44:31 AM
So while I guess anything is possible, Tom Holland has flat out denied that Andrew Garfield and Toby MaGuire are in the sequel. I really wish the insane amount of huge rumors don’t ruin people’s expectations of the film and thus cause it to be a disappointment.

Fake news.

I’m just saying that if the movie doesn’t have every actor from every non-MCU marvel film in it as well as at least a cameo from Batman, it’ll be the worst movie ever made.

To be fair, Batman DID appear on Homecoming, though (Michael Keaton) :P

I meant the REAL Batman.....









George Clooney.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: axeman90210 on February 09, 2021, 10:28:59 AM
#FearTheBatNipples
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: gzarruk on February 09, 2021, 11:04:41 AM
Also, wasn't Christian Bale confirmed for Thor: Love & Thunder? We got two Batmans in the MCU now (and there's also Affleck's Daredevil) :biggrin:
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: lonestar on February 09, 2021, 11:16:36 AM
Also, wasn't Christian Bale confirmed for Thor: Love & Thunder? We got two Batmans in the MCU now (and there's also Affleck's Daredevil) :biggrin:

He was, he's playing the primary villain
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kotowboy on February 09, 2021, 11:32:43 AM
I happened to see a clip of Endgame on YouTube and GDI those films are so good.

Making a film series over ten years that only gets better as it goes on is a monumental achievement.

And one that nobody else has been able to replicate on any level.

Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: bosk1 on February 09, 2021, 12:27:16 PM
Making a film series over ten years that only gets better as it goes on is a monumental achievement.

And one that nobody else has been able to replicate on any level.

Exactly.  That's kinda why part of me doesn't even care of what comes next isn't as good.  If what comes next doesn't reach those heights, I'm more than satisfied with what we have already gotten. 
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorAction on February 09, 2021, 03:54:16 PM
The first Cap film was really good, I thought. Enjoyed it much more than my first watch as was obvs way more invested in the characters this time around.

The Red Skull is pretty dull as a baddie but what I'd forgotten is how great the film looks. All the souped-up 40s-style planes, vehicles and machines are fantastic.

The Peggy/Cap chemistry is really sweet. Chris Evans is excellent. And Tommy Lee Jones!
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Orbert on February 09, 2021, 08:28:18 PM
We caught it again recently and enjoyed it, too.  I seem to remember that it's not well-loved for various reasons, but I thought it was fine.  And yeah, Tommy Lee Jones was great.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: Adami on February 09, 2021, 08:37:25 PM
It’s a much smaller movie and not as good as its sequels but it’s still a really good comic movie. Flaws and all.

My girlfriend has only seen a few MCU films so we’re watching one every weekend and started this past weekend with Cap and it was really enjoyable.

Gonna do Cap Marvel this weekend. It’ll be my second time seeing it. First since theatrical release I think. I remember not thinking super highly of it but we’ll see it how it goes this time.
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Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 10, 2021, 08:13:27 AM
Gonna do Cap Marvel this weekend. It’ll be my second time seeing it. First since theatrical release I think. I remember not thinking super highly of it but we’ll see it how it goes this time.
I didn't love it, either, but it's my wife's favorite MCU film.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: jammindude on February 11, 2021, 08:43:36 PM
We got up to Thor last night. Still just finding joy in every movie. We’ll do The Avengers this weekend.

Somehow, even after about 4 viewings, I always seem to forget that Hawkeye makes a great first appearance in Thor.

“You better call it, because I’m starting to root for this guy.”  :rollin
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Post by: lonestar on February 11, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
Yeah, definitely one of the best lines in all the MCU.  :lol
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: faizoff on February 12, 2021, 04:33:43 AM
My favorite lines in that first Thor movie are by Chris Hemsworth when he's on Earth. "I like this drink, another!"
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorAction on February 12, 2021, 04:05:57 PM
I'm on The Avengers now. I've been watching these in chunks which isn't ideal but I need to keep everyone happy. Bit surprised how clunky the first half hour or so feels in this one. They definitely got slicker as time went on!
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Post by: jammindude on February 12, 2021, 10:13:39 PM
You know what The Avengers reminds me? That Joss Whedon is a GENIUS of ensemble script writing. It was his strength in Firefly, and he brought that strength to The Avengers. He was the perfect man for what the MCU needed at that moment.
Title: Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)
Post by: DoctorAction on February 13, 2021, 02:38:06 PM
You know what The Avengers reminds me? That Joss Whedon is a GENIUS of ensemble script writing. It was his strength in Firefly, and he brought that strength to The Avengers. He was the perfect man for what the MCU needed at that moment.

Once the band is together it's all gravy, it's just the baddies and the setup I found clunky. It's enough, just not as slick as it got later on.