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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: WheyWaffles on September 09, 2016, 10:14:41 PM
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Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress will be headlining Friday night of ProgPower USA 2017 (https://www.facebook.com/ProgPowerUSA/).
So is this the best music-related news you've heard all year, or is it something else?
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Should be cool to see them play some songs from The Astonishing.
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I wonder if Mike will shave his beard and dress up like DT's drummer for the sake of authenticity?
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I wonder if Mike will shave his beard and dress up like DT's drummer for the sake of authenticity?
But can he mime the super happy :D smiles.
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They have a year to perfect the songs. One wrong note and there will be hell to pay!
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I don't think he considers anything recorded past BCSL as "Dream Theater", guys. ;D
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I don't think he considers anything recorded past BCSL as "Dream Theater", guys. ;D
At this point, I'd be pretty ok with that assertion. Not that post-MP DT is relevant to this project.
I can't wait to finally hear the 12SS complete, although I do have my doubts of a put together band doing it justice on any instrument (drums aside obviously, and possibly vocals).
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Besides, if he indeed played something from ADToE, DT12 or TA, he would need the bands' authorization.
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I don't think he would, but again, totally irrelevant here. Of course he wouldn't play post-MP material. It would make zero sense for him.
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Besides, if he indeed played something from ADToE, DT12 or TA, he would need the bands' authorization.
I don't know much of the legalities about this matter, but how is it any different than any instance of Dream Theater covering any kind of band? Or alternatively, did Dream Theater go ahead and get legal permission to cover Iron Maiden, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Metallica, King Crimson etc?
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Besides, if he indeed played something from ADToE, DT12 or TA, he would need the bands' authorization.
I don't know much of the legalities about this matter, but how is it any different than any instance of Dream Theater covering any kind of band? Or alternatively, did Dream Theater go ahead and get legal permission to cover Iron Maiden, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Metallica, King Crimson etc?
I don't know much about the legalities either, but I think you need the bands' approval otherwise they can sue you for copyright infringement. I'm not sure though.
Is he using this band only to celebrate his birthday or he will keep playing with them?
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So the fortress is a metaphor for MP's hopes of ever joining DT again, right? :vomitard:
I wonder how the remaining DT members feel. If this became a touring band, would they see it as MP's attempt to compete with them?
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They have a year to perfect the songs. One wrong note and there will be hell to pay!
:getoffmylawn: I'll tear down the city stone by stone !
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Besides, if he indeed played something from ADToE, DT12 or TA, he would need the bands' authorization.
I don't know much of the legalities about this matter, but how is it any different than any instance of Dream Theater covering any kind of band? Or alternatively, did Dream Theater go ahead and get legal permission to cover Iron Maiden, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Metallica, King Crimson etc?
I don't know much about the legalities either, but I think you need the bands' approval otherwise they can sue you for copyright infringement. I'm not sure though.
Is he using this band only to celebrate his birthday or he will keep playing with them?
You don't require any permission at all to play someone else's song live. It's up to the venue to pay for the PRS.
Assuming the venue already has a PRS licence / certificate - it just goes out of their subscription.
I believe it's up to the venue to inform PRS what songs were played.
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They have a year to perfect the songs. One wrong note and there will be hell to pay!
:getoffmylawn: I'll tear down the city stone by stone !
You only have three days one year!
HAHA HAHAHA
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I'll never play this game.
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ChuckSteak, I command you to access your funny bone. King's order.
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With all due respect to MP, this really seems desperate. Don't get me wrong, I really like Mike and have always been rooting for his success since he left the band. To me it just looks like he couldn't get any traction with all his projects so he's just resorted to reliving the past with his time in DT.
Now, if this is just a way to do the 12-step suite or celebrate his 50th birthday and is intended to be a limited time thing, then I'm ok with it.
A lot would depend on how well the band performs the songs too.
Edit: Looking into it more, it does seem like the case that it is more of a limited time thing. Perhaps my first impression of this news was a bit harsh?
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Pretty sure i's just a short term project to finally get closure on performing the 12SS in full and get it out of his system. I think the name says it all.
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Watched the live announcement of this last night at ProgPower. I was shocked, but not really. He is at the event and seems like something he would do. A lot of the crowd cheered for it so I bet it will go over well at the festival, but since he's also doing the cruise, maybe he will be doing a full tour? Not so sure I'd be interested in that if he came to NYC honestly. Although, maybe if he does, then this would be his way of actually getting the guys from DT to be available and then that would interest me to see.
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Is this the same band that's going to be on the cruise? If so, him doing ProgPower with them is a way of letting those whom can't attend the cruise a chance to see the 12-step suite live.
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Really curious to see who is going to be in the band. JP and JR have made these songs sound a certain way, and i hope it is a faithful recreation of the original sound.
Also, let's not forget JLB who has put his mark on the songs, i'm also curious to see how they will approach the vocals, hopefully not too many MP lead moments.
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You know there'll be a DVD / CD of it. :lol
Plus probably a Drum only mix.
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You know there'll be a DVD / CD of it. :lol
Plus probably a Drum only mix.
Progpower always has professional shooting anyway, so you can count on it.
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I can imagine a really cool show, with a great band and some b-sides!
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These shows (we know there will be at least two) may be successful enough, or at least rewarding enough for Mike's ego, that this becomes the alternate Dream Theater and they begin putting out studio albums.
Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime...
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I think it'd be a good idea for MP to pull a Luca Turilli and make Shattered Fortress a proper Prog Metal band with original music. Rhapsody of Fire + Luca (LT's Rhapsody) could pull it off IMO and so could Dream Theater + Mike (Shattered Fortress). It'd satisfy a lot of people wanting MP back in DT if it went well. It's probably not going to be that though, which would be a missed opportunity.
These shows (we know there will be at least two) may be successful enough, or at least rewarding enough for Mike's ego, that this becomes the alternate Dream Theater and they begin putting out studio albums.
Geoff Tate's Operation: Mindcrime...
I think it'd go better than that project. Mike does have an ego, but it also seems like he genuinely cares about what his fans think about his music. He also still has a lot of talent in regards to drumming, which GT doesn't have in regards to singing.
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I think it'd be a good idea for MP to pull a Luca Turilli and make Shattered Fortress a proper Prog Metal band with original music. Rhapsody of Fire + Luca (LT's Rhapsody) could pull it off IMO and so could Dream Theater + Mike (Shattered Fortress). It'd satisfy a lot of people wanting MP back in DT if it went well. It's probably not going to be that though, which would be a missed opportunity.
You only name a band [ex-member's name]+[ old band], [ex-member's name]+[old band's album], or [ex-member's name]+[old band's song] if 1) you just can't let go, or 2) you want to cash in on the association.
Wouldn't it be preferrable if Mike started a prog metal band without the baggage? I don't think he needs to cash in on the association to get recognized. If this thing is just temporary to perform the 12 Step Suite, the name suits it, but I think it's fair to speculate it might become something more.
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You know there'll be a DVD / CD of it. :lol
Plus probably a Drum only mix.
Progpower always has professional shooting anyway, so you can count on it.
Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress LIVE AT PROGPOWER DVD
featuring the 12 Step Suite performer in full FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER !
Also a drum only mix and Mike Portnoy Commentary
Behind the Scenes as Mike shows you his new kit and rehearsal footage.
Double DVD.
$20
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I think it'd be a good idea for MP to pull a Luca Turilli and make Shattered Fortress a proper Prog Metal band with original music. Rhapsody of Fire + Luca (LT's Rhapsody) could pull it off IMO and so could Dream Theater + Mike (Shattered Fortress). It'd satisfy a lot of people wanting MP back in DT if it went well. It's probably not going to be that though, which would be a missed opportunity.
You only name a band [ex-member's name]+[ old band], [ex-member's name]+[old band's album], or [ex-member's name]+[old band's song] if 1) you just can't let go, or 2) you want to cash in on the association.
Wouldn't it be preferrable if Mike started a prog metal band without the baggage? I don't think he needs to cash in on the association to get recognized. If this thing is just temporary to perform the 12 Step Suite, the name suits it, but I think it's fair to speculate it might become something more.
I don't really mind the branding even if it were to carry on (though I'd want them to drop the massive MIKE PORTNOY in the logo). Sure, he doesn't need the associations, but it would be more likely to get attention with that name and more attention is better for any band.
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With all due respect to MP, this really seems desperate. Don't get me wrong, I really like Mike and have always been rooting for his success since he left the band. To me it just looks like he couldn't get any traction with all his projects so he's just resorted to reliving the past with his time in DT.
Now, if this is just a way to do the 12-step suite or celebrate his 50th birthday and is intended to be a limited time thing, then I'm ok with it.
A lot would depend on how well the band performs the songs too.
Edit: Looking into it more, it does seem like the case that it is more of a limited time thing. Perhaps my first impression of this news was a bit harsh?
I kind of think that he is the kind of guy who just wants to play on so many kind of projects. Flying colors, Neil Morse etc. that's some really nice work. And it is very natural if he misses playing the songs part for a long period of his life.
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I might be the minority here, but maybe a DT cover band is all I want at this point. A band that's gonna come out and play Pull Me Under, Learning to Live, Voices, The Spirit Caries On, A Change of Seasons, and Octavarium. I might like that better than this band currently doing a musical.
Just my two cents.
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Should be cool to see them play some songs from The Astonishing.
Just as long as nobody wears an ADTOE shirt to the concert, it should be cool.
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I might be the minority here, but maybe a DT cover band is all I want at this point. A band that's gonna come out and play Pull Me Under, Learning to Live, Voices, The Spirit Caries On, A Change of Seasons, and Octavarium. I might like that better than this band currently doing a musical.
Just my two cents.
Id imagine you get your wish with the real DT. It's not like they will be doing the musical forever. Not sure how a DT cover band with MP is more interesting/better than a normal DT concert which we may not be getting now, but they will go back to it. I do agree though that when they return toa typical setlist, they need to start playing the songs fans want to see. I'm not saying they haven't done that either, just saying they need to continue what they did in the previous tour where they played the second half of awake and The Shattered Fortress which was kind of unexpected to see DT play.
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Should be cool to see them play some songs from The Astonishing.
Just as long as nobody wears an ADTOE shirt to the concert, it should be cool.
:angry: GTFO !!!!!!!!!
*Takes to facebook*
" This was supposed to be a celebration of MY time in Dream Theater - the band *I* nurtured and fed for like 50 years.... and someone comes to MY show wearing a DT Shirt that *I*
didn't play on. ME !!! *I* !!!!! MY BABY ! 50 YEARS ! MY BAND ! E I MY ME BAND ME I MY MY Y IIIIIIIII "
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* Grabs can of worms
* Opens it
With the right lineup, there's a chance that the songs they play will be better than the "standard performances".
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I would love to hear MP and his group of whomever do this.
I already know what DT sound like playing these songs, both studio and live, so I have that if I don't like what Portnoy does.
My only hope is that McCalpine isn't a part of it. Talented dude, but I just can't handle his tone whatsoever. It's the main reason I couldn't dig the Portnoy, Sherinian, blah blah blah stuff.
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Should be cool to see them play some songs from The Astonishing.
Just as long as nobody wears an ADTOE shirt to the concert, it should be cool.
:angry: GTFO !!!!!!!!!
*Takes to facebook*
" This was supposed to be a celebration of MY time in Dream Theater - the band *I* nurtured and fed for like 50 years.... and someone comes to MY show wearing a DT Shirt that *I*
didn't play on. ME !!! *I* !!!!! MY BABY ! 50 YEARS ! MY BAND ! E I MY ME BAND ME I MY MY Y IIIIIIIII "
You mad bro?
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Should be cool to see them play some songs from The Astonishing.
Just as long as nobody wears an ADTOE shirt to the concert, it should be cool.
:angry: GTFO !!!!!!!!!
*Takes to facebook*
" This was supposed to be a celebration of MY time in Dream Theater - the band *I* nurtured and fed for like 50 years.... and someone comes to MY show wearing a DT Shirt that *I*
didn't play on. ME !!! *I* !!!!! MY BABY ! 50 YEARS ! MY BAND ! E I MY ME BAND ME I MY MY Y IIIIIIIII "
At what point does this break the no bashing band members rule?
Or the flaming other forum members rule for that matter? :P
* Grabs can of worms
* Opens it
With the right lineup, there's a chance that the songs they play will be better than the "standard performances".
This is true. Would love to hear Russell Allen sing some of these songs.
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My only hope is that McCalpine isn't a part of it. Talented dude, but I just can't handle his tone whatsoever. It's the main reason I couldn't dig the Portnoy, Sherinian, blah blah blah stuff.
Agreed. Tony's amazing, but not when performing DT songs - terrible tone for those songs.
Should be cool to see them play some songs from The Astonishing.
Just as long as nobody wears an ADTOE shirt to the concert, it should be cool.
:angry: GTFO !!!!!!!!!
*Takes to facebook*
" This was supposed to be a celebration of MY time in Dream Theater - the band *I* nurtured and fed for like 50 years.... and someone comes to MY show wearing a DT Shirt that *I*
didn't play on. ME !!! *I* !!!!! MY BABY ! 50 YEARS ! MY BAND ! E I MY ME BAND ME I MY MY Y IIIIIIIII "
You mad bro?
You mean you expected something different from Cowtowboy?
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I might be the minority here, but maybe a DT cover band is all I want at this point. A band that's gonna come out and play Pull Me Under, Learning to Live, Voices, The Spirit Caries On, A Change of Seasons, and Octavarium. I might like that better than this band currently doing a musical.
Just my two cents.
I would enjoy that more than Off-Off-Off-Broadway DT, too--just not crazy about the 12 Step Suite except for This Dying Soul and a few other parts here and there. There's also MP's vocals which are likely to be more prominent than ever and probably in new places...
The best part of MP's cover band will be a lead singer who is likely to be in or near his prime, a guitarist who hasn't lost his exquisite tone taste yet, and a keyboardist who isn't bent on injecting goofiness and faux-epicness into every possible moment. It will be tough finding another Korean bassist, though, and it's anyone's guess if MP can fill DT's old drummer's shoes...
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Does this belong in this thread? Probably not, but it was the best I could find with almost no effort at all.
Ever wondered what it would be like if MP played a Mangini era song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIsVAoEezVw
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Sure hope they play "Spaced-Dye Vest".
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Does this belong in this thread? Probably not, but it was the best I could find with almost no effort at all.
Ever wondered what it would be like if MP played a Mangini era song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIsVAoEezVw
:lol
Holy crap!
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I might be the minority here, but maybe a DT cover band is all I want at this point. A band that's gonna come out and play Pull Me Under, Learning to Live, Voices, The Spirit Caries On, A Change of Seasons, and Octavarium. I might like that better than this band currently doing a musical.
Just my two cents.
I think these guys are right up your alley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC9ww4Z-Qa8
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My only hope is that McCalpine isn't a part of it. Talented dude, but I just can't handle his tone whatsoever. It's the main reason I couldn't dig the Portnoy, Sherinian, blah blah blah stuff.
Agreed. Tony's amazing, but not when performing DT songs - terrible tone for those songs.
Should be cool to see them play some songs from The Astonishing.
Just as long as nobody wears an ADTOE shirt to the concert, it should be cool.
:angry: GTFO !!!!!!!!!
*Takes to facebook*
" This was supposed to be a celebration of MY time in Dream Theater - the band *I* nurtured and fed for like 50 years.... and someone comes to MY show wearing a DT Shirt that *I*
didn't play on. ME !!! *I* !!!!! MY BABY ! 50 YEARS ! MY BAND ! E I MY ME BAND ME I MY MY Y IIIIIIIII "
You mad bro?
You mean you expected something different from Cowtowboy?
Lolz. My post was clearly a joke.
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Id imagine you get your wish with the real DT. It's not like they will be doing the musical forever. Not sure how a DT cover band with MP is more interesting/better than a normal DT concert which we may not be getting now, but they will go back to it. I do agree though that when they return toa typical setlist, they need to start playing the songs fans want to see. I'm not saying they haven't done that either, just saying they need to continue what they did in the previous tour where they played the second half of awake and The Shattered Fortress which was kind of unexpected to see DT play.
Assuming they keep 1.) doing new material and 2.) making that new material the bulk of their setlist, I won't. Unfortunately these days, I'm just not interesting in many of the band's post-Octavarium albums. Sure, a couple of wow'd me at first (like ADTOE), but as time went on I found those to pale in comparison to the first 8 as well.
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* Grabs can of worms
* Opens it
With the right lineup, there's a chance that the songs they play will be better than the "standard performances".
Not a huge can. There's tons of great musicians out there.
I'd be thrilled if he put a band together in the DT vein. Maybe he feels enough time and projects has passed to revisit the genre.
The most exciting thing he's done since he left DT was to join Twisted Sister!! (That's called an opinion, people)
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I'm not remotely interested in what he's been doing ever since he left DT, but I will be even less interested in a DT cover band with him in it.
B.Lee
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I hope that this MP cover band will turn to a new prog metal band, with its own music. I think it would be very interesting a new take on prog metal by a band led by MP, bringing different and more modern influences that DT have been done recently.
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I hope that this MP cover band will turn to a new prog metal band, with its own music. I think it would be very interesting a new take on prog metal by a band led by MP, bringing different and more modern influences that DT have been done recently.
I'd be willing to give it a chance. None of his post-DT output has impressed me. My friend (who absolutely loves post-MP DT) thinks Transatlantic is amazing and I just don't see it. I'd be interested to hear something more in the vein of DT: a healthy dose of prog with some solid metal
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Does this belong in this thread? Probably not, but it was the best I could find with almost no effort at all.
Ever wondered what it would be like if MP played a Mangini era song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIsVAoEezVw
Seeing this makes me want DT to do a better job with recording, mixing Mangini so we can hear all the sutilties and sound less machine like.
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I hear their producer is some guitarist...
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I hear their producer is some guitarist...
The problem is not that he is a guitarist, it is that he's not a good producer as far as MM's drums go.
B.Lee
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I hear their producer is some guitarist...
The problem is not that he is a guitarist, it is that he's not a good producer as far as MM's drums goes.
B.Lee
Yeah exactly. It took them 3 albums to get a decent drum sound, and it's still subpar compared to previous DT albums.
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You guys don't think part of the problem is that there's no longer a drummer advocating for a more prominent drum mix? Take the bass mix--I doubt JP (or MP) just never figured out how to mix bass, and I know the problem is not that JM doesn't know how to dial in a cutting tone with his gear. This isn't even a two guitarist band.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think DT has had a really well-produced album since the '90s (though I favor '90s production values in general), but I think JP is ensuring the guitars and keys dominate. He needs a moderating influence, but is too powerful to have to accept one.
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The drum sound could definitely be improved as well as the bass sound that I found too low on TA.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think DT has had a really well-produced album since the '90s (though I favor '90s production values in general), but I think JP is ensuring the guitars and keys dominate. He needs a moderating influence, but is too powerful to have to accept one.
I prefer all the 2001+ DT mixes to the previous ones maybe except SFAM.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think DT has had a really well-produced album since the '90s (though I favor '90s production values in general), but I think JP is ensuring the guitars and keys dominate. He needs a moderating influence, but is too powerful to have to accept one.
I prefer all the 2001+ DT mixes to the previous ones maybe except SFAM.
Overall production preferences tend to be generational. I grew up in the '80s/90s, you grew up in the '00s/10s. There's no objective 'best' here, though we can probably agree on some specifics (drums, bass...).
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Todd La Torre on vocals. Just throwing a random guess out there for the sake of guessing.
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Ever since MP left DT, I kinda hoped he would team up with Marco Sfogli and form a proper prog metal group. Then add in the bassist and keyboardist from Pagan's Mind, singer from Circus Maximus ;D
Man that group would be awesome.
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I've been unable to come up with a proper Korean bassist, so I'm going to prescribe a Steve DiGiorgio. To be honest, every band needs a Steve DiGiorgio. If you have a band and don't have one, I suggest you do something about that.
(Yes, he's comfortable with fretted basses, too.)
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I don't think MP can handle an 'extreme modern prog metal' project. He is obviously a great drummer, but I don't think he has the chops to play something to the level of bands like Animals as Leaders, you know? Just remember his performance of Apocalypse 1470 with PSMS. It was good, but he didn't play A LOT of Virigl's subtle drum arrangements because they are just way too insane lol.
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Who should replace MP in Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress if they decide to release original modern prog metal material after the cover performances? MP can still sing.
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I don't think MP can handle an 'extreme modern prog metal' project. He is obviously a great drummer, but I don't think he has the chops to play something to the level of bands like Animals as Leaders, you know? Just remember his performance of Apocalypse 1470 with PSMS. It was good, but he didn't play A LOT of Virigl's subtle drum arrangements because they are just way too insane lol.
I concur. I remember, a similar situation, when JP said it was hard for him to play James Hetfield's fast rhythms for an extended length of time.
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Who should replace MP in Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress if they decide to release original modern prog metal material after the cover performances? MP can still sing.
(https://media.tenor.co/images/de6da989fda0c5ed3615a6d44ad35573/tenor.gif)
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Then what is MP to do? Just sit it out and take a licensing fee for the use of his name? Why is everyone always trying to push Mike out???
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Huh? I think he reacted to your "MP can sing" comment, not the rest of your comment.
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I know. That's what I was responding to. He isn't good enough to drum and he isn't good enough to sing. Sometimes it just feels like... the whole world is against Mr. Portnoy. :(
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Well, that is not true at all, so I am not sure why you would think that way. I think just about everyone is fine with his drumming, even if some wish he would practice more and improve his craft. His singing is another story...
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In my second post in this thread, I speculated that Mike might shave his beard and dress up like Mike Mangini for the authenticity of his cover band. I'm only having fun here. The other night, Mike was at a concert seeing the greatest singer of all time give his fourth concert in nearly 30 years while I sat at home creating this thread. Maybe I'm just a little jealous...
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Well, that is not true at all, so I am not sure why you would think that way. I think just about everyone is fine with his drumming, even if some wish he would practice more and improve his craft. His singing is another story...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/dd/37/f2/dd37f2ed7f8b6b6605512977742721e1.jpg)
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I am almost afraid to ask :lol, but who is the greatest singer of all time?
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I am almost afraid to ask :lol, but who is the greatest singer of all time?
David Duchovny.
Err, John Arch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvqrCGuS10) I mean.
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I am almost afraid to ask :lol, but who is the greatest singer of all time?
David Duchovny.
Err, John Arch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkvqrCGuS10) I mean.
:lol
I just never liked his vocals. I tried so many times and I think it's part of what ruined the earlier Fates albums for me.
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There's no denying he's a love/hate affair.
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Supremely. I'm so fucking relieved James' audition tape came when it did. :lol
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I know. That's what I was responding to. He isn't good enough to drum and he isn't good enough to sing. Sometimes it just feels like... the whole world is against Mr. Portnoy. :(
The whole world isn't against Mr. Portnoy. He is financially and musically successful, he sells out shows and clinics everywhere he goes, he's creatively satisfied, he's doing great with all of his projects, his diehard fans are among the most loyal I've ever seen (sometimes probably WAY too loyal :lol), etc.
That sounds like the whole world isn't against Portnoy. The thing is that the good things have been said so many times that it's kinda more interesting to discuss the not so great things the man offers in his daily offerings, like his vocals. :D He's not a good singer. He has never been and he will never be. I recall reading back in 2010 before he left Dream Theater that he should have replaced James as a singer and that songs like The Best of Times sounded a million times better with him on the mic. It's beautiful that he recorded the song sung by him for his father, but that's about it. He doesn't come close to James LaBrie, and anyone who implies otherwise has a twisted view of things, in my very humble opinion. It's like implying that JLB could've replaced MP as a drummer.
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Supremely. I'm so fucking relieved James' audition tape came when it did. :lol
Pfft... John's rendition of The Killing Hand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzo6UHwf6kk) absolutely kills... in a positive way. I'm not sure I'd give up James' performances on I&W, Awake, or ACoS for anything, though. It has to be said that I know just as many people who can't get into DT because of James, so he's quite polarizing himself. When people want to like DT and they just can't, it's always about one of two members.
The whole world isn't against Mr. Portnoy. He is financially and musically successful, he sells out shows and clinics everywhere he goes, he's creatively satisfied, he's doing great with all of his projects, etc.
That sounds like the whole world isn't against Portnoy. The thing is that the good things have been said so many times that it's kinda more interesting to discuss the not so great things the man offers in his daily offerings. :D
Check out my other posts in this thread... See how serious you think I was being with that one. But, umm, all of his projects? Don't make me mention Adrenaline Mob...
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The Mob isn't his project anymore. I like to think of it as a mid-age/post-DT crisis that, luckily for him, ended quickly. Mike Orlando? Iugh.
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I'm more embarrassed for/disappointed in Russell Allen for that one...
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Supremely. I'm so fucking relieved James' audition tape came when it did. :lol
Pfft... John's rendition of The Killing Hand (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzo6UHwf6kk) absolutely kills... in a positive way. I'm not sure I'd give up James' performances on I&W, Awake, or ACoS for anything, though. It has to be said that I know just as many people who can't get into DT because of James, so he's quite polarizing himself. When people want to like DT and they just can't, it's always about one of two members.
I don't disagree. James vocals do turn many people off. However, the voices themselves, John's and James', are worlds apart. John sounds like he was auditioning for an actual cat in Cats The Musical.
The Mob isn't his project anymore. I like to think of it as a mid-age/post-DT crisis that, luckily for him, ended quickly. Mike Orlando? Iugh.
Well, more like he was asked to leave.
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I love cats.
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John is the one on the left who clearly has the upper hand with his singular timbre and complex melody lines.
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I checked that audition tape out... my ears are bleeding. Such an annoying voice.
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Yeah, those vocals on that audition of The Killing Hand are pretty dreadful. His voice is fine in Fates Warning (a band I like, but don't love), but thank God DT didn't pick him.
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Yeah, those vocals on that audition of The Killing Hand are pretty dreadful. His voice is fine in Fates Warning (a band I like, but don't love), but thank God DT didn't pick him.
Yes, if by "fine" you mean this...
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:lol
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I'll be curious to see who MP gets to cover the DT songs. Could be cool. Personally, I'd be much more interested in MP forming a Prog-Metal type band and playing original music.
I get that some people might not like DT's recent output, but come on, I'd still rather see Dream Theater play Dream Theater songs than a former drummer cover those songs with some random dudes. For a one-off show it might be cool, but I just hope Mikes not planning on making this more than that.
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I'm curious about this myself. Maybe it'll be really good.
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I don´t think it´ll go any further than the 2 shows.
I bet on Sheehan and Sherinian. Marco Sfogli would be awesome on guitar. I have no idea about the singer, i would like it to be Russell Allen, but who knows?
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I don´t think it´ll go any further than the 2 shows.
I bet on Sheehan and Sherinian. Marco Sfogli would be awesome on guitar. I have no idea about the singer, i would like it to be Russell Allen, but who knows?
I guess you're a fan of RA, but honestly, I don't know why all the hype envisioning him singing DT songs. I like him a lot when in SX, but that's about it. No other project of his has gotten me interested. Now, I would like MP to pick an unknown guy like the one who sang Metroplois Pt1 for Vra. It would be exquisite!
B.Lee
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* Grabs can of worms
* Opens it
With the right lineup, there's a chance that the songs they play will be better than the "standard performances".
Well, at least 30-40% of the people will consider whoever sings a better fit than James, I already know.
About the name... at first it may sound pretentious, but in the end if he's gonna put together a band, he may as well credit them. If he was billed just as Mike Portnoy, someone would say "Hey, what about the other guys that spent a lot of time rehearsing the whole thing?"
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Ross Jennings of Haken to be the vocalist. I'm calling it!
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Ross Jennings of Haken to be the vocalist. I'm calling it!
That'd be cool. He's definitely close with those guys, but who knows if it'd fit their schedule.
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Ross Jennings of Haken to be the vocalist. I'm calling it!
That'd be cool. He's definitely close with those guys, but who knows if it'd fit their schedule.
Yea he seemed pretty buddy buddy with them getting on stage during their performance the other night.
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Plus Haken were hanging out at his house for a while on their off day between Haken's Boston and NYC shows.
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:omg:
Nicky Spanjaards on Vocals !! CLEARLY !
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I don´t think it´ll go any further than the 2 shows.
I bet on Sheehan and Sherinian. Marco Sfogli would be awesome on guitar. I have no idea about the singer, i would like it to be Russell Allen, but who knows?
Billy Sheehan is not going to pick up and become familiar with a 6-string bass just to play a couple DT cover shows, and if he doesn't part with his 4-string, he's not going to be able to reproduce JM's work in a remotely faithful manner. I respect his work and influence (he loves cats, too) even if he's far from one of my favorite players, and I know Mike loves him, but Sheehan is not a realistic pick for any modern prog metal act.
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Robert Trujillo as Myung
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Yeah, i haven´t thought abour the 6-string situation. Hum...Alex Webster? ;D
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Alex plays fives but would be able to adapt much more easily as he floats his thumb when he needs to (multi-string scalar runs), in which case adding another string isn't a huge deal.
He'd also fucking (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuH6V3z-V6Y) destroy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOb6JSQd-Qw).
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Tony Levin.
Repentance on a Chapman Stick.
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Tony Levin.
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:metal :metal :metal
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The man speaks on FB.
"Very excited to see all of the great feedback upon the announcement of my Shattered Fortress appearance at Prog Power 2017!
To answer a few questions I've been seeing:
• This is not "a new band or project", it is "an EVENT" that will be making several select live appearances in select markets throughout 2017
• The lineup of musicians joining me for these shows will not be announced prior to our live debut at my 50th Birthday Concert on Cruise To The Edge...
I want that to remain a surprise until our unveiling
• The setlist at these shows will be comprised of the 12 Step Suite and (time permitting at certain shows) other Dream Theater songs that I've written the lyrics to
Keep in mind, I have no plans (or interest) in revisiting DT material in any of my other "real" bands...this is not an ongoing "project" or career move...this is merely a unique event that I am doing in select markets in 2017 to share with fans around the world...so catch it while you can!!"
Well, this makes it way clear.
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Keep in mind, I have no plans (or interest) in revisiting DT material in any of my other "real" bands...this is not an ongoing "project" or career move...this is merely a unique event that I am doing in select markets in 2017 to share with fans around the world...so catch it while you can!!"
That's cool, I was hoping this wouldn't turn into a project he toured with, glad to hear he's having fun with this and treating it as an event that'll happen maybe a few times.
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I would have assumed that none of that would have needed explaining. Kind of sad that it apparently did.
Now, what we should be doing is speculating about the set list. :neverusethis:
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Cool. I suppose A Change of Seasons is a strong possibility, maybe The Best of Times?
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Yup, those would be my first two guesses. Also The Mirror and Constant Motion could be in...
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Honor Thy Father?
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Cool. I suppose A Change of Seasons is a strong possibility, maybe The Best of Times?
I can't imagine "time permitting" and acos go hand in hand.
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I remember reading somewhere that Portnoy reconciled with his step father (subject of HTF) and doesn't connect with those lyrics anymore. With that in mind, I can't see him playing it.
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I'd go with ACoS and maybe TBoT.
Honor Thy Father?
Highly doubtful given the fact that he's patched things up with his stepfather (the inspiration for the song). You'll notice that it wasn't in any of the setlists after summer of 2007, and I'm almost 100% certain that's the reason why. In fact, I remember seeing his stepfather leaving the dressing room after the 2007 Jones Beach show - had there still been bad blood between them, I can't imagine that would've happened.
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I didn´t know about him patching up with his stepfather. While it´s a good thing for him, i like the song and would love it to be on the set. :biggrin:
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Depending on the lineup, this could turn out pretty bad ass. I don't wanna say I want this to go on tour (if it lives up to hype), but I'd love a chance to see this.
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A Change of Seasons, The Best of Times, and Home would be the three songs that I hope they play. I would expect The Mirror, Burning My Soul, and Constant Motion. Maybe New Millennium and War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All. I'm guessing no Honor Thy Father or Never Enough and I'm also gonna say songs that he partially wrote the lyrics to are out as well so no Take the Time, Octavarium, or A Rite of Passage. Everything else I'm not sure about. One question though: what's the possibility that they play an instrumental?
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"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!"
MP on Facebook
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Depending on the lineup, this could turn out pretty bad ass. I don't wanna say I want this to go on tour (if it lives up to hype), but I'd love a chance to see this.
Don't worry there will be a double Blu Ray package for $25
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"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!"
MP on Facebook
Oh For Fucks Sake :facepalm:
NOTHING about this says " I'm over DT " like he keeps claiming.
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I'm also gonna say songs that he partially wrote the lyrics to are out as well so no Take the Time, Octavarium, or A Rite of Passage.
Why do you think so? As soon as I saw his post, the first thing I thought was, "I bet he might throw Take The Time in there."
"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!"
MP on Facebook
Well, of course it was only a matter of time before he failed to restrain himself from making dumb passive aggressive comments about his former band. Sadly, that's a given nowadays.
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"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!"
MP on Facebook
I'm not on Facebook, but am guessing this was a direct response to a fan? If so, I really have no problem with this particular statement despite the fact that half of my posts in this thread (and probably in other threads) are more or less at Mike's expense. Pretty benign stuff unless it came out of nowhere and not as a reply to a direct inquiry.
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"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!"
MP on Facebook
Was this out of the blue - or was it in reply to a fan ?
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Even if it was in response to a fan, there is no need for "I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in..." Once again, poor form.
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"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!"
MP on Facebook
Was this out of the blue - or was it in reply to a fan ?
"Marc Walsh MY FUCKING GOD!
I have been waiting for and anticipating this moment since the suite was completed!
Like · Reply · 36 · 2 hrs
Mike Portnoy
Mike Portnoy So have I! : )
Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!
Like · Reply · 275 · 2 hrs"
I don't see anything wrong with what MP said though. He's just stating facts. The DT guys have no interest in a reunion.
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Appropriate :biggrin:
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"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!"
MP on Facebook
Was this out of the blue - or was it in reply to a fan ?
"Marc Walsh MY FUCKING GOD!
I have been waiting for and anticipating this moment since the suite was completed!
Like · Reply · 36 · 2 hrs
Mike Portnoy
Mike Portnoy So have I! : )
Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!
Like · Reply · 275 · 2 hrs"
I don't see anything wrong with what MP said though. He's just stating facts. The DT guys have no interest in a reunion.
The context changes my opinion on this... The fan didn't bring up DT, Mike did. I was naive to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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• This is not "a new band or project", it is "an EVENT" that will be making several select live appearances in select markets throughout 2017
Ok then, so it's a completely wasted oppurtunity to create some healthy creative competition with his former bandmates (IMO at least).
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Appropriate :biggrin:
Definitely. I do sometimes feel a bit sorry for MP though. DT was a strong and secure place to be that requires a ton of time and dedication and MP clearly got burned out on that due to having around 3 side projects at the same time. He never really had a place with as much creative control or as much impact as DT. I think I can forgive him for the occasional leaking of bitterness for that. Having said that, I haven't really listened to some of his side projects like Flying Colors, Transatlantic, Neal Morse Solo/Band, Winery Dogs (BTW, can someone tell me how those acts compare to the DT of the last decade, quality and style wise?).
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I'm also gonna say songs that he partially wrote the lyrics to are out as well so no Take the Time, Octavarium, or A Rite of Passage.
Why do you think so? As soon as I saw his post, the first thing I thought was, "I bet he might throw Take The Time in there."
Well MP loves medleys, I think it's more likely that he includes his part of Take the Time in some sort of medley. This is supposed to be a career spanning thing, so maybe he does a big medley of the major projects he's been involved with.
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"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but I can't wait around for a reunion that they seem to have no interest in...
Life is short, Carpe Diem!"
MP on Facebook
I'm not on Facebook, but am guessing this was a direct response to a fan? If so, I really have no problem with this particular statement despite the fact that half of my posts in this thread (and probably in other threads) are more or less at Mike's expense. Pretty benign stuff unless it came out of nowhere and not as a reply to a direct inquiry.
It's not what he says, it's HOW he says it. He could've easily avoided mentioning DT has no interest in a reunion, but he just can't resist. His response could've been something like:
"Of course, I would've liked to have done it w DT, but this is gonna kick ass nevertheless!"
That would've made a big, big difference in how his message is perceived. The thing is he's never gonna stop taking passive aggressive poke shots against DT because that makes his diehard fans go all like: YOU'RE THE BEST MP! YOU DON'T NEED DT! THEY SUCK NOW LOL THE ASLOLNISHING INDONESIA SOON; and because his approach is to be transparent and sincere in his social media. Well, his way of behaving in social media isn't the best and most of the criticism he has gotten in the past few years comes mostly from his online persona (and I don think that's very debatable). When have you read or heard JP or JR mention Mike Portnoy in their posts/interviews? Aside from the usual 'MP was amazing, but now we have MM who is amazing as well'. He could learn a thing or two from them.
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It's disappointing that he brought it up without being prompted. Most of the time you can at least say that he's not the one who is bringing up DT, it's fans/interviewers. This time that isn't the case.
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Regarding the 12 step suite, I would love if he "reduxed" the thing to make it more concise. I once listened to it in regular form, and I felt there was too much revisiting going on. That was of course fine and necessary when the songs came out and people were "reminded" of the previous albums' songs, but when you just heard the thing a few minutes ago, this "Last time on Star Trek The Next Generation..." thing became distracting.
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Regarding the 12 step suite, I would love if he "reduxed" the thing to make it more concise. I once listened to it in regular form, and I felt there was too much revisiting going on. That was of course fine and necessary when the songs came out and people were "reminded" of the previous albums' songs, but when you just heard the thing a few minutes ago, this "Last time on Star Trek The Next Generation..." thing became distracting.
How about if, every time they repeated a riff, MP would growl "LAST TIME ON STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION!!! RAWRRR!!!"?
I'd be down for that.
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I was thinking along the same lines, that the whole thing should be condensed a bit. My main beef with the 12 Step Suite is that The Root Of All Evil is totally out of place in context. They were clever with the key changes and slowly bringing it back to the home key by The Shattered Fortress, but the actual song itself just makes the whole thing feel a bit disjointed. It would've been better as a 4 parter IMO.
That being said, he should perform it as it was originally written at least once. Unfortunately this isn't the sort of thing you can make adjustments to over time after repeated live performances.
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I fail to see how this is a "Cover Band."
He's performing songs he wrote and recorded.
It's not any different than Roger Waters performing The Wall, or any other of his songs he wrote with Pink Floyd. That's not a "cover band."
Bob Weir and Phil Lesh performing songs they wrote and performed with The Grateful Dead in Ratdog, Scaring The Children, or any other of their side projects aren't considered "cover bands."
I think calling it a cover band is nothing but an insult.
Then again, that's just my opinion.
Of course, half of you will just say I'm standing up for MP because I worked for him for so long.
Not the case.
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Definitely. I do sometimes feel a bit sorry for MP though. DT was a strong and secure place to be that requires a ton of time and dedication and MP clearly got burned out on that due to having around 3 side projects at the same time. He never really had a place with as much creative control or as much impact as DT. I think I can forgive him for the occasional leaking of bitterness for that. Having said that, I haven't really listened to some of his side projects like Flying Colors, Transatlantic, Neal Morse Solo/Band, Winery Dogs (BTW, can someone tell me how those acts compare to the DT of the last decade, quality and style wise?).
In my opinion, most of them are more or less on par with DT of the last decade quality-wise, but the drum mix is much better on all of them than the last 3 DT albums.
Transatlantic is the project I consider truly on par with DT and in terms of style is the most similar. There is just less metal than DT, but they still get quite heavy at times.
The Winery Dogs would be my next favourite. That second album is fire from beginning to end. Style-wise they can still be considered progressive rock but much less experimental. No long instrumental sections here. Think more accessible prog. probably a good starting place for people new to the genre.
Neal Morse band is also awesome and arrangement-wise can be quite similar to Transatlantic, which isn't surprising since both bands share MP and Neal. Still proggy but less so from what I've heard. Although the Long Day/Overture track they just released from the upcoming album 'Similitude of a Dream' sounds absolutely stunning and reminds me of Octavarium so far from a production and arrangement/compositional perspective.
As far as Neal Morse's solo stuff that Mike has played on I can't really discuss coz I've only heard a couple of songs, sorry.
Metal Allegiance is self explanatory once you've heard one song. It's straight up metal. Nothing like DT at all. Still enjoyable at times though if you just want to rock along.
I haven't really delved deep into Flying Colors or Adrenaline Mob but that's mainly because when I tried I didn't really enjoy what I heard, so make of that what you will based on what I've said about the rest.
Quality seems pretty good though and in terms of style Flying Colors is almost soft/mainstream rock whilst Adrenaline Mob is well, more just metal and probably is the least quality of them all from what I've listened to.
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About the suite, I don't think that The Root of All Evil is out of place, if at all I agree that once you hear it in a row the "oh, cool, I remember this refrain" that happened every 2 years with each new album is not so great.
What I'm curious is how the Repentence > Shattered Fortress transition will go. The other ones are pretty obvious; Glass Prison / Dying soul we've heard it live, Dying Soul will go straight into Root of All Evil when you cut out the whole intro of the latter, and the end of Root flows nicely into the beginning of Repentance, but how Mike intended the last transition to work?
Live you can't obviously do the fade-in, so what would happen after "The truth is the truth and all you can do is to learn to live with it"? Shattered Fortress starts the way DT performed it live with the whole intro? when I did my own mix of the suite I skipped alltogether the whole 2 minute intro and went straight into the beginning of the fast part, it's a nice punch coming in after the very end of Repentance.
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Definitely. I do sometimes feel a bit sorry for MP though. DT was a strong and secure place to be that requires a ton of time and dedication and MP clearly got burned out on that due to having around 3 side projects at the same time. He never really had a place with as much creative control or as much impact as DT. I think I can forgive him for the occasional leaking of bitterness for that. Having said that, I haven't really listened to some of his side projects like Flying Colors, Transatlantic, Neal Morse Solo/Band, Winery Dogs (BTW, can someone tell me how those acts compare to the DT of the last decade, quality and style wise?).
In my opinion, most of them are more or less on par with DT of the last decade quality-wise, but the drum mix is much better on all of them than the last 3 DT albums.
Transatlantic is the project I consider truly on par with DT and in terms of style is the most similar. There is just less metal than DT, but they still get quite heavy at times.
The Winery Dogs would be my next favourite. That second album is fire from beginning to end. Style-wise they can still be considered progressive rock but much less experimental. No long instrumental sections here. Think more accessible prog. probably a good starting place for people new to the genre.
Neal Morse band is also awesome and arrangement-wise can be quite similar to Transatlantic, which isn't surprising since both bands share MP and Neal. Still proggy but less so from what I've heard. Although the Long Day/Overture track they just released from the upcoming album 'Similitude of a Dream' sounds absolutely stunning and reminds me of Octavarium so far from a production and arrangement/compositional perspective.
As far as Neal Morse's solo stuff that Mike has played on I can't really discuss coz I've only heard a couple of songs, sorry.
Metal Allegiance is self explanatory once you've heard one song. It's straight up metal. Nothing like DT at all. Still enjoyable at times though if you just want to rock along.
I haven't really delved deep into Flying Colors or Adrenaline Mob but that's mainly because when I tried I didn't really enjoy what I heard, so make of that what you will based on what I've said about the rest.
Quality seems pretty good though and in terms of style Flying Colors is almost soft/mainstream rock whilst Adrenaline Mob is well, more just metal and probably is the least quality of them all from what I've listened to.
Cool. Thanks.
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I fail to see how this is a "Cover Band."
He's performing songs he wrote and recorded.
It's not any different than Roger Waters performing The Wall, or any other of his songs he wrote with Pink Floyd. That's not a "cover band."
Bob Weir and Phil Lesh performing songs they wrote and performed with The Grateful Dead in Ratdog, Scaring The Children, or any other of their side projects aren't considered "cover bands."
I think calling it a cover band is nothing but an insult.
Then again, that's just my opinion.
Of course, half of you will just say I'm standing up for MP because I worked for him for so long.
Not the case.
You know, I saw the OP and it didn't even hit me that MP would never have called it a cover band.
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I fail to see how this is a "Cover Band."
He's performing songs he wrote the lyrics for and recorded.
It's not any different than Roger Waters performing The Wall, or any other of his songs he wrote with Pink Floyd. That's not a "cover band."
Fixed that for me. But it is a cover band, even if Mike was crucial to this whole suite of songs. And it's not the same with Roger Waters because he also wrote music, not only lyrics and arrangements.
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Ross Jennings of Haken to be the vocalist. I'm calling it!
Not sure I like this. Ross isn't a very good singer, imo. If you're gonna do a cover band, get a guy that can hit the notes and sing with real power! I fear Ross singing Dream Theater will sound all to familiar to people who've heard the Chaos in Motion DVD.
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Yep, the guy from Haken does an adequate job in that band (I think he is clearly the weak link there), but he doesn't have the power or natural voice necessary to pull off DT's songs.
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I fail to see how this is a "Cover Band."
He's performing songs he wrote the lyrics for and recorded.
It's not any different than Roger Waters performing The Wall, or any other of his songs he wrote with Pink Floyd. That's not a "cover band."
Fixed that for me. But it is a cover band, even if Mike was crucial to this whole suite of songs. And it's not the same with Roger Waters because he also wrote music, not only lyrics and arrangements.
Exactly this. He wrote the lyrics and recorded drum parts. That's it. So the guys who actually wrote the music (JP and JR) are not involved, hence cover band.
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A far as I know, MP would have written the vocal melodies for the songs he wrote lyrics to, and he did contribute parts of the music. Obviously nowhere near as much as JP/JR, but he did contribute musically.
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A far as I know, MP would have written the vocal melodies for the songs he wrote lyrics to, and he did contribute parts of the music. Obviously nowhere near as much as JP/JR, but he did contribute musically.
Plus, we know he is always big with the arrangements which can affect a song just as much as the music within the arrangements.
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Question: if the band themselves consider all musician's songwriters of a song, then why shouldn't we? Some of you are making weird assumptions on what he contributed to the songwriting process. Isn't it possible that he could have, for example:
- Gotten the initial idea for the song
- Figured out melodies, both vocally and instrumentally
- Gotten ideas for riffs that he had to communicate to the rest of the band
And all this leaves out the more obvious ones, like coming up with lyrics, song melodies and drum parts. I'm not saying he did all that, and I'm certainly not saying he was the most important factor but to say that he suddenly isn't one of the band's songwriters, just a drummer who writes lyrics, just seems weird to me. Like trying really hard to downplay him, just so you have more reason to bitch at him. Stick to his actual quotes, there's more than enough there to take shots at, if need be.
And calling this a cover band definitely seems insulting to me as well.
EDIT: Well, two replies above me pointing it out much simpler than me. There you go.
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Question: if the band themselves consider all musician's songwriters of a song, then why shouldn't we? Some of you are making weird assumptions on what he contributed to the songwriting process.
I'm going off of a bunch of recent interviews with JR where he basically says that the way the band used to credit in regards to songwriting was really deceiving because JP and himself wrote and generated the vast majority of DT's music. He stated TA credits were more accurate to how things have worked since he's been in DT. So, I'm not basing this on my own assumptions, I'm basing it off of direct interviews.
And all this leaves out the more obvious ones, like coming up with lyrics, song melodies and drum parts. I'm not saying he did all that, and I'm certainly not saying he was the most important factor but to say that he suddenly isn't one of the band's songwriters, just a drummer who writes lyrics, just seems weird to me. Like trying really hard to downplay him, just so you have more reason to bitch at him. Stick to his actual quotes, there's more than enough there to take shots at, if need be.
And calling this a cover band definitely seems insulting to me as well.
I'm not trying to downplay his contributions at all, I think MPs work with DT was awesome, I'm a big fan of his work with and without DT. To me, calling this a cover band isn't meant to be insulting, that's just what I see it as. It's not Dream Theater, so it's a band covering Dream Theater's music.
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Or, literally, it's Mike Portnoy playing some of the songs he was involved with for 7 or 8 dates ever ;D he said himself it's not a proper band.
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I fail to see how this is a "Cover Band."
He's performing songs he wrote and recorded.
It's not any different than Roger Waters performing The Wall, or any other of his songs he wrote with Pink Floyd. That's not a "cover band."
Bob Weir and Phil Lesh performing songs they wrote and performed with The Grateful Dead in Ratdog, Scaring The Children, or any other of their side projects aren't considered "cover bands."
I think calling it a cover band is nothing but an insult.
Then again, that's just my opinion.
Of course, half of you will just say I'm standing up for MP because I worked for him for so long.
Not the case.
If he isn't performing as Dream Theater, I think by default it becomes a "cover band" at least IMO. I doubt anyone means to use that term as demeaning towards MP (although clearly there is a lot of that regardless).
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You know, I saw the OP and it didn't even hit me that MP would never have called it a cover band.
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Wait, what's with the Benjaham Francoln quote? I never pretended to quote MP in the OP. I facetiously declared Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress a cover band. I'm surprised anyone thought for a moment that MP wouldn't have issues with calling it a cover band, even if it's something quite closely resembling one.
At the same time, I don't think it could be fairly construed as an attack on him and I seriously doubt it upset him much if he's seen this thread. I think he expects this sort of thing. "DT fans are going to call it a cover band..." (warning: speculative quote, not counterfeit quote!) I remain a big fan of a lot of his past work as I think most people in this thread do.
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Re Connecting Repentance and The Shattered Fortress: Repentance ends on the same chord that TSF starts on, so I reckon (assuming MP is using the spoken word tracks live) they'd hit that big ending chord and then MP would count off for TSF to start as soon as the last spoken line (the truth is the truth...) comes in.
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You know, I saw the OP and it didn't even hit me that MP would never have called it a cover band.
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Wait, what's with the Benjaham Francoln quote? I never pretended to quote MP in the OP. I facetiously declared Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress a cover band. I'm surprised anyone thought for a moment that MP wouldn't have issues with calling it a cover band, even if it's something quite closely resembling one.
At the same time, I don't think it could be fairly construed as an attack on him and I seriously doubt it upset him much if he's seen this thread. I think he expects this sort of thing. "DT fans are going to call it a cover band..." (warning: speculative quote, not counterfeit quote!) I remain a big fan of a lot of his past work as I think most people in this thread do.
I was just making a joke. Don't be so sensitive or I'll give you one of these. ;)
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I would take a few, but what size are those? They look like they could fill up a submarine base.
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Sorry, I'm not an expert with the tampon sizes. I just know if she pulls one out the size of my arm, it's time to run the other way.
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There's truly no excuse in our day and age for not knowing about the Kegel exercise...
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I enjoy watching the Kegel exercise in action, but what does that have you to do with your dirty tampon?
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STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC !
...Mike Portnoy. Claiming to be Over DT and lying through his passive Aggressive teeth since 2010 !
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STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC !
This. Thank you.
And, yes, it took every ounce of self-control in my to not say "Stay on the bloody topic!" But seriously, enough, okay?
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I enjoy watching the Kegel exercise in action, but what does that have you to do with your dirty tampon?
Nothing. The lack of Kegel exercise has everything to do with the size of your gigantic tampons. Stop slacking.
The "bloody" topic... Heheh... Ok, just had to respond to "your dirty tampon". Back on topic:
Is Mike friends with Ted Leonard from Enchant (also Spock's Beard now)? He also sung on the two Thought Chamber albums where he proved he can do some pretty aggressive, powerful stuff. He's very versatile and not far beyond his prime. DT and Enchant did a small tour together way back...
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I fail to see how this is a "Cover Band."
He's performing songs he wrote and recorded.
I think calling it a cover band is nothing but an insult.
Simply put, they are playing songs released by a different band. Since this is a one-time thing, they aren't really a "cover band" any more than DT was a cover band when they would perform a whole album by a different band. Regardless of him writing the songs, they were released by DT, on their albums. So he is "covering" their material. I don't consider it insulting, though I do consider it a bit of a misnomer. If they performed regularly, playing solely DT material, then they would become a cover band.
On topic, cool he is doing this, as I am sure there will be an audience for it. But I don't like the mentality that some songs are Band Member X's songs, and others are Band Member Y's songs. If they are on the <Band Name's> album, they are the <Band Name's> songs.
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I don't care what ANYONE wants to call the band. "Cover band"......"tribute band"....."remembering the good times band"...........All I know is that it will be LIGHT YEARS better than anything DT has done since MP left! :tup
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STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC !
...Mike Portnoy. Claiming to be Over DT and lying through his passive Aggressive teeth since 2010 !
...Kotowboy. Claiming to be over MP and lying through his passive aggressive teeth since 2010!
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STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC !
This. Thank you.
And, yes, it took every ounce of self-control in my to not say "Stay on the bloody topic!" But seriously, enough, okay?
Hard to be interested in staying on topic when any thread involving MP ends up in the same place around here.
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STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC !
...Mike Portnoy. Claiming to be Over DT and lying through his passive Aggressive teeth since 2010 !
...Kotowboy. Claiming to be over MP and lying through his passive aggressive teeth since 2010!
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I don't care what ANYONE wants to call the band. "Cover band"......"tribute band"....."remembering the good times band"...........All I know is that it will be LIGHT YEARS better than anything DT has done since MP left! :tup
Is that you Portnoy ? : )
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I thought it was chaossystem.
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I'm really excited to see and hear the lineup.
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I don't care what ANYONE wants to call the band. "Cover band"......"tribute band"....."remembering the good times band"...........All I know is that it will be LIGHT YEARS better than anything DT has done since MP left! :tup
lol Mike Portnoy covering some Dream Theater songs is going to be better than A Dramatic Turn of Events? You must be quite confident in this anonymous line-up :corn
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I don't care what ANYONE wants to call the band. "Cover band"......"tribute band"....."remembering the good times band"...........All I know is that it will be LIGHT YEARS better than anything DT has done since MP left! :tup
lol Mike Portnoy covering some Dream Theater songs is going to be better than A Dramatic Turn of Events? You must be quite confident in this anonymous line-up :corn
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Seems a bit premature since we don't know any of the other participants.
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STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC ! STAY ON TOPIC !
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Is Mike friends with Ted Leonard from Enchant (also Spock's Beard now)? He also sung on the two Thought Chamber albums where he proved he can do some pretty aggressive, powerful stuff. He's very versatile and not far beyond his prime. DT and Enchant did a small tour together way back...
I'd be very surprised if Ted ended up being part of the event. Although it could be interesting.
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Is Mike friends with Ted Leonard from Enchant (also Spock's Beard now)? He also sung on the two Thought Chamber albums where he proved he can do some pretty aggressive, powerful stuff. He's very versatile and not far beyond his prime. DT and Enchant did a small tour together way back...
I'd be very surprised if Ted ended up being part of the event. Although it could be interesting.
Ted performed Anna Lee with PSMS on PNAS14. He also performed with Mike in Transatlantic on the Kaleidoscope tour. I would not be surprised at all if he's part of this line-up.
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If MP wanted to push things a little further I'd love to see him get either a female vocalist or perhaps a few different ones throughout the set.
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I of course entirely understand why MP wants to cover the 12V AA suite, but overall I'm bummed, since IMHO it is like TA, an epic that collapsed under its own weight. If he gets really capable people together, I wished he covered more interesting songs.
And, two thumbs up on the idea of a female vocalist. For all intents and purposes, DT have been writing their vocal melodies for a female singer.
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I of course entirely understand why MP wants to cover the 12V AA suite, but overall I'm bummed, since IMHO it is like TA, an epic that collapsed under its own weight. If he gets really capable people together, I wished he covered more interesting songs.
And, two thumbs up on the idea of a female vocalist. For all intents and purposes, DT have been writing their vocal melodies for a female singer.
Lzzy Hale on vocals?
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I of course entirely understand why MP wants to cover the 12V AA suite, but overall I'm bummed, since IMHO it is like TA, an epic that collapsed under its own weight. If he gets really capable people together, I wished he covered more interesting songs.
And, two thumbs up on the idea of a female vocalist. For all intents and purposes, DT have been writing their vocal melodies for a female singer.
The style of too many of their songs (including the 12SS) just wouldn't suit female vocals.
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The one person I'd most like to see MP work with on original material? Dweezil Zappa.
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The one person I'd most like to see MP work with on original material? Dweezil Zappa.
That's a great idea.
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The one person I'd most like to see MP work with on original material? Dweezil Zappa.
That's a great idea.
MP/DZ
Prog jazz AcDc covers.
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The one person I'd most like to see MP work with on original material? Dweezil Zappa.
That's a great idea.
MP/DZ
Prog jazz AcDc covers.
Fix that for people who have good taste
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I've never heard of any band called AcDc.
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Dweezil has done a lot of great things to preserve his fathers legacy, but his original music doesn't do much for me. Portnoy on a Zappa Plays Zappa tour would be interesting though.
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I've never heard of any band called AcDc.
OMG Captain Ultra Pedantic ! You're HERE !
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I think the only thing I've seen of Dweezil that I found memorable is his appearance in Running Man.
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I think the only thing I've seen of Dweezil that I found memorable is his appearance in Running Man.
I never knew he was in that. Probably because I had no idea what he looked like.
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He is the rebel leader, I think he has like 5 lines or something :lol
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Prog jazz AcDc covers.
Fix that for people who have good taste
lol
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I've never heard of any band called AcDc.
So you've never been at a metal show only to hear the crowd spontaneously break into chants of "Ack! Dick! Ack! Dick!" before the encore?
You must not get out much.
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I've never heard of any band called AcDc.
So you've never been at a metal show only to hear the crowd spontaneously break into chants of "Ack! Dick! Ack! Dick!" before the encore?
You must not get out much.
Like me, I doubt Bolsters wants to be at a show where the mostly male audience is yelling 'dick' over and over.
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I think the only thing I've seen of Dweezil that I found memorable is his appearance in Running Man.
I never knew he was in that. Probably because I had no idea what he looked like.
Stop watching Japanese porn for 2 minutes and you'd know what he looked like. :lol
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I think the only thing I've seen of Dweezil that I found memorable is his appearance in Running Man.
I never knew he was in that. Probably because I had no idea what he looked like.
Stop watching Japanese porn for 2 minutes and you'd know what he looked like. :lol
Well I know what Arnie and Jesse Ventura look like. Sorry if I don't know what some obscure musician looked like 30 years ago. :lol
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:lol
Yup. Priorities. Lol
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I think the only thing I've seen of Dweezil that I found memorable is his appearance in Running Man.
I never knew he was in that. Probably because I had no idea what he looked like.
Stop watching Japanese porn for 2 minutes and you'd know what he looked like. :lol
Well I know what Arnie and Jesse Ventura look like. Sorry if I don't know what some obscure musician looked like 30 years ago. :lol
So, you won't stop watching Japanese porn?
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Shouldn't we just ban Portnoy threads? They always end up like this. :lol
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Discussing Japanese porn?
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Lets get MP to talk about Japanese porn! :lol
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Discussing Japanese porn?
Every. Damn. Time.
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Lets get MP to talk about Japanese porn! :lol
Everyone HENTAI.. HUuurrrrgggghghhhh
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Geez, you mention that you have 120gb of Japanese porn, and suddenly king thinks that's all you do all day. :lol
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Shouldn't we just ban Portnoy threads? They always end up like this. :lol
I don't think so. These threads are the most entertaining parts of the DT side of the forums.
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Ted performed Anna Lee with PSMS on PNAS14.
I either didn't know this or had completely forgotten about this. Had to look for a video on YouTube and Ted pulls it off amazingly, his voice is perfect for this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn5pIZ3OQ3A
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Lets get MP to talk about Japanese porn! :lol
"I created this video. I nurtured and cared for this porno for 25 years and now they think they can do this movie without me?"
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Lets get MP to talk about Japanese porn! :lol
Eatah my asssruuu and a ballssoooorrrrrrr !!!!
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Blob, it looks like I caused a ruckus! :lol
I bet all you need is 5gb. You never get that far. :lol
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Blob, it looks like I caused a ruckus! :lol
I bet all you need is 5gb. You never get that far. :lol
5GB ? Blob has 5TB of Japanese Pr0n !
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And he goes to his 5gb of his go to movies. I know. I know. :lol
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Why is this still the topic of conversation? :lol
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:lol
We love you man.
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Why is this still the topic of conversation? :lol
In the same fashion that all topics sooner or later end up being about Kevin Moore, all MP threads end up derailing in the most unpredictable ways.
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I wonder how much Hentai MP has seen.
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KAWAII
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KAWAII
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Ted performed Anna Lee with PSMS on PNAS14.
I either didn't know this or had completely forgotten about this. Had to look for a video on YouTube and Ted pulls it off amazingly, his voice is perfect for this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn5pIZ3OQ3A
Damn never seen this video. Thanks for the link. The vocalist does indeed sound good. And of course I love seeing Portnoy and Derek playing together.
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I would totally pay for the entire 12-step suite live with Portnoy on drums. I hope he does a small tour.
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I would totally pay for the entire 12-step suite live with Portnoy on drums. I hope he does a small tour.
I bet he's thinking about it.
EDIT - and doing a CD of DT "covers" with his Shattered Fortress line up.
" Hey Guys !! Listen Up !! I had so much fun performing with these guys on the cruise....
... that i've decided to go into a studio a do an album of DT cover songs - which I wrote of course...!!
...Also we're going to take Shattered Fortress on the road !! Dates soon !! : ) "
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Nah, don't think so. That would be sad lol.
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But predictably inevitable :lol
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Ugh. This thread was way better when it was about Japanese porn.
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Nah, don't think so. That would be sad lol.
But predictably inevitable :lol
Well, Ozzy did a live album full of Black Sabbath songs when he was out of the band... and in 1992 he invited Black Sabbath to open for him basically breaking up the Dio line-up, which has a vague resemblance to the open invitation for DT to perform the 12 steps on the cruise :D but I don't think Mike takes the "What would Ozzy do" approach ;D
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Nah, don't think so. That would be sad lol.
But predictably inevitable :lol
Well, Ozzy did a live album full of Black Sabbath songs when he was out of the band... and in 1992 he invited Black Sabbath to open for him basically breaking up the Dio line-up, which has a vague resemblance to the open invitation for DT to perform the 12 steps on the cruise :D but I don't think Mike takes the "What would Ozzy do" approach ;D
Portnoy reality show!!!
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Oh man I can totally see MP doing a reality show.
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Ugh. This thread was way better when it was about Japanese porn.
Sig'd
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But that would be off topic and that's frowned upon...apparently. ;)
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Ugh. This thread was way better when it was about Japanese porn.
See, you need me. :lol
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Ugh. This thread was way better when it was about Japanese porn.
See, you need me. :lol
Yeah.. *grumble*
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Ugh. This thread was way better when it was about Japanese porn.
See, you need me. :lol
Yeah.. *hr mble*
FTFY
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I would totally pay for the entire 12-step suite live with Portnoy on drums. I hope he does a small tour.
I bet he's thinking about it.
EDIT - and doing a CD of DT "covers" with his Shattered Fortress line up.
" Hey Guys !! Listen Up !! I had so much fun performing with these guys on the cruise....
... that i've decided to go into a studio a do an album of DT cover songs - which I wrote of course...!!
...Also we're going to take Shattered Fortress on the road !! Dates soon !! : ) "
Good, he is never boring.
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As opposed to ?
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Ugh. This thread was way better when it was about Japanese porn.
See, you need me. :lol
Yeah.. *grumble*
:lol
Now, the topic. I'm interested in the band he's assembling.
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The lineup won't be revealed til they take the stage.
:lol Imagine if they take the stage and it's DT and the animosity has all been a big cover up.
Although - that would lead to interminable "OMGGGGGG PORTNOY IS BACK IN DT"
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The lineup won't be revealed til they take the stage.
:lol Imagine if they take the stage and it's DT and the animosity has all been a big cover up.
Although - that would lead to interminable "OMGGGGGG PORTNOY IS BACK IN DT"
That would be so much greatness. I wish the world worked in such insane, convoluted ways.
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It would be good if it was DT.
But I don't want MM to get the boot either.
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Nah, don't think so. That would be sad lol.
But predictably inevitable :lol
Well, Ozzy did a live album full of Black Sabbath songs when he was out of the band... and in 1992 he invited Black Sabbath to open for him basically breaking up the Dio line-up, which has a vague resemblance to the open invitation for DT to perform the 12 steps on the cruise :D but I don't think Mike takes the "What would Ozzy do" approach ;D
True, but given that scenario: It's easier for Ozzy as a singer to make those moves as opposed to Portnoy as a drummer.
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Terrible thought : What if MP actually does all Lead Vocals ?
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Imagine him trying to sing the "Fly now be free" line from TSF.
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Fly Now Be FROOOOAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH
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A frog?
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Sure why not.
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As opposed to ?
He is one of the most entertaining drummer I have seen, period.
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The lineup won't be revealed til they take the stage.
:lol Imagine if they take the stage and it's DT and the animosity has all been a big cover up.
Although - that would lead to interminable "OMGGGGGG PORTNOY IS BACK IN DT"
That's a show you should not mist.
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The lineup won't be revealed til they take the stage.
:lol Imagine if they take the stage and it's DT and the animosity has all been a big cover up.
Although - that would lead to interminable "OMGGGGGG PORTNOY IS BACK IN DT"
That's a show you should not mist.
Vaping is fine. Misting, not sure.
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The lineup won't be revealed til they take the stage.
:lol Imagine if they take the stage and it's DT and the animosity has all been a big cover up.
Although - that would lead to interminable "OMGGGGGG PORTNOY IS BACK IN DT"
That's a show you should not mist.
Vaping is fine. Misting, not sure.
I should have spell it miss, I guess. And vaping... i will have to Google it to know what it means.
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Vaping is the cool new hipster douchebag trend !
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The idea was ok to me when it was about the anniversary party on the boat, but hitting the road :/ meh
I'll begin with the pro statement, I love mp's drumming on DT albums, I hope MM will find a way to bring some of that groove in the future, because I prefer the boombababoom style to the kliketiketi :D (technician drummer here)
What just pains me is the conflictual informations, on one side you hear "page has turned, I'm over it blablabla" and on the other side "Hey let's play songs of the band I left and still exists, but no nostalgia"
It has to be regrets or money mr waters, or it should be only a fun one time thing
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Well, since he's already hiring musicians to learn and perform 50 minutes of complex music, it would be kinda a waste to perform it only once... so it makes sense to play not a full tour but just few dates here and there to justify the effort of learning all that material.
Of course he is not over DT, but then again, it's his big party, he wants to celebrate his carrer, DT was a part of his carreer, he wants to play the AA Suite, hence we return above... since he's making other people learn it, they could do something else than a one-off gig with all the effort required.
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I would much rather he celebrate what he did with DT than feel bad about playing it or shun it all together. I think it makes perfect sense for a career spanning party.
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Well, since he's already hiring musicians to learn and perform 50 minutes of complex music, it would be kinda a waste to perform it only once... so it makes sense to play not a full tour but just few dates here and there to justify the effort of learning all that material.
Of course he is not over DT, but then again, it's his big party, he wants to celebrate his carrer, DT was a part of his carreer, he wants to play the AA Suite, hence we return above... since he's making other people learn it, they could do something else than a one-off gig with all the effort required.
Yeah, all of this. And while we might tend to forget this fact, MP has always tried to give fans what he things they consider to be cool extras. He knows there are a lot of people who want to see the 12SS that will not be on that cruise. Since he will have a group of musicians learning the material and some other DT songs as well, most likely, it makes sense to do a short tour to bring it to others. MP has a lot of obvious character flaws, but I don't see any reason to look at this as anything more than him finally performing something he always wanted/intended to perform and bringing it to a number of fans who he knows also want to see it performed.
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Well, since he's already hiring musicians to learn and perform 50 minutes of complex music, it would be kinda a waste to perform it only once... so it makes sense to play not a full tour but just few dates here and there to justify the effort of learning all that material.
Of course he is not over DT, but then again, it's his big party, he wants to celebrate his carrer, DT was a part of his carreer, he wants to play the AA Suite, hence we return above... since he's making other people learn it, they could do something else than a one-off gig with all the effort required.
Yeah, all of this. And while we might tend to forget this fact, MP has always tried to give fans what he things they consider to be cool extras. He knows there are a lot of people who want to see the 12SS that will not be on that cruise. Since he will have a group of musicians learning the material and some other DT songs as well, most likely, it makes sense to do a short tour to bring it to others. MP has a lot of obvious character flaws, but I don't see any reason to look at this as anything more than him finally performing something he always wanted/intended to perform and bringing it to a number of fans who he knows also want to see it performed.
For real. I've been watching the Neal Morse DVD stuffs, and man, MP knows how to please the fans lol.
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Besides, if he indeed played something from ADToE, DT12 or TA, he would need the bands' authorization.
Why? Tribute bands and cover bands play all sorts of songs without asking the original band's permission. If that were illegal, I would have been locked up longer than I actually WAS locked up!
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Besides, if he indeed played something from ADToE, DT12 or TA, he would need the bands' authorization.
Why? Tribute bands and cover bands play all sorts of songs without asking the original band's permission. If that were illegal, I would have been locked up longer than I actually WAS locked up!
I'm not sure if he would need any permission, but he may have to pay a royalty if he released it. Just my guess. Like doesn't MP get some sort of royalty for songs he has credits for that DT play and release on the live DVDs/CDs they released since he left?
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You don't need to pay anything if you cover songs live. That's up to the venue having a PRS licence.
You do need permission and to pay royalties if you release a cover.
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Vaping is the cool new hipster douchebag trend !
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That picture reminds me of Bridges in the Sky.
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Well if you look closely....:neverusethis:
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And while we might tend to forget this fact, MP has always tried to give fans what he things they consider to be cool extras.
Yeah, MP was always trying to come up with ideas to give the fans "more". The bonus stuff on the official dvd's such as commentaries was mainly his doing, he made the backstage documentaries on Budokan, CiM, etc. And he was the driving force behind the cover albums and official bootlegs from YtseJam records. No matter what people think of the split and things that have been said afterwards, nobody should ever doubt the motives behind MP wanting to give fans unique and special performances; it's what he's always done.
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And while we might tend to forget this fact, MP has always tried to give fans what he things they consider to be cool extras.
Yeah, MP was always trying to come up with ideas to give the fans "more". The bonus stuff on the official dvd's such as commentaries was mainly his doing, he made the backstage documentaries on Budokan, CiM, etc. And he was the driving force behind the cover albums and official bootlegs from YtseJam records. No matter what people think of the split and things that have been said afterwards, nobody should ever doubt the motives behind MP wanting to give fans unique and special performances; it's what he's always done.
Totally agree. MP is still the man in my book, and of course I still have respect and admiration for all that MM has done / is doing.
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Agreed with the above statements on MP.
While MP performing DT songs without DT isn't really my cup of tea, there certainly are a large amount of people who are interested in that and you can't really blame MP for wanting to give those fans what they want.
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Portnoy on Facebook;
Joe Balo I don't need "their blessing" to play these songs (which are not "THEIR songs" as you wrote) any more than they need mine to play them...
You saying "they wrote the bulk of the music" is a HUGE assumption on your part! I co-wrote and arranged ALL of the MUSIC...as well as wrote all of the lyrics and vocal melodies (by myself) as well as co-Produced every one of the recordings...
And The entire CONCEPT and IDEA was solely mine...
(That's not a brag, it's merely a FACT)
Me playing these songs on my own w other musicians is no different to Roger Waters playing Pink Floyd songs w his own band...
As far as not announcing the lineup in advance, if you read what I wrote above you'd see I'm planning on keeping it a surprise for the unveiling at my 50th Birthday Concert on Cruise to the Edge...
If you're uncomfortable buying tickets without knowing my band, then you'll have between February and July to make up your mind....
PS - I don't "NEED to address" these points as you posted...but I chose to respond because I care about my fans and like to keep them in the loop
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He desperately needs a publicity manager. All I hear is 'wah wah ME ME ME', and I like the guy, but he seriously needs to shut the fuck up and let the music do the talking.
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He desperately needs a publicity manager. All I hear is 'wah wah ME ME ME', and I like the guy, but he seriously needs to shut the fuck up and let the music do the talking.
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I don't what he wrote was bad. I mean he really doesn't need their permission to play those songs.
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He doesn't. And he could have just replied
" Hi Joe - you don't need a band's permission to play their songs live : ) "
But no - he has to go into yet another passive aggressive speech about HIMSELF
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Is there any false information in what he said?
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It's not really about the verity of what he said. Most of the die-hard fans know who does what in the band. It's how he says it and how he beats the point to death.
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It's not really about the verity of what he said. Most of the die-hard fans know who does what in the band. It's how he says it and how he beats the point to death.
You mean like how DTF beats the point to death? :lol
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Is there any false information in what he said?
I don't know if anything is necessarily false, but the picture JR has been painting about how writing has worked since he has been in the band reads a little different than what Mike said here I think.
Once again though, as Prog and Kotow already said, it's not about what he says (his point) its about how he says it.
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It's not really about the verity of what he said. Most of the die-hard fans know who does what in the band. It's how he says it and how he beats the point to death.
You mean like how DTF beats the point to death? :lol
That never happens.
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It's not really about the verity of what he said. Most of the die-hard fans know who does what in the band. It's how he says it and how he beats the point to death.
You mean like how DTF beats the point to death? :lol
These things only happen when he posts another one of his ME ME THEM posts...
In between those we never mention MP's passive aggressive outbursts.
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It's not really about the verity of what he said. Most of the die-hard fans know who does what in the band. It's how he says it and how he beats the point to death.
You mean like how DTF beats the point to death? :lol
These things only happen when he posts another one of his ME ME THEM posts...
In between those we never mention MP's passive aggressive outbursts.
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For every supposed outburst "ME ME THEM" post MP makes, I have to see 100 outburst exaggerated "ME ME THEM CAPITALIZED PRONOUNS" Kotowboy posts, which is far worse than any of MP's indiscretions. :lol
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:facepalm:
For every supposed outburst "ME ME THEM" post MP makes, I have to see 100 exaggerated outburst "ME ME THEM CAPITALIZED PRONOUNS" Kotowboy posts, which is far worse than any of MP's indiscretions. :lol
Point taken about exaggerated outbursts, but I think its pretty reasonable to assume when MP says something that could be considered somewhat controversial on social media directly relating to the topic of this thread, people might react to it in this thread. :lol
Not sure why you would have issues with that.
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:facepalm:
For every supposed outburst "ME ME THEM" post MP makes, I have to see 100 exaggerated outburst "ME ME THEM CAPITALIZED PRONOUNS" Kotowboy posts, which is far worse than any of MP's indiscretions. :lol
Point taken about exaggerated outbursts, but I think its pretty reasonable to assume when MP says something that could be considered somewhat controversial on social media directly relating to the topic of this thread, people might react to it in this thread. :lol
Not sure why you would have issues with that.
Discussion is all well and good, especially as this is a DT forum, but it's the same regurgitated over the top reaction from DTF every single time, especially particular people. Half of the time it serves no point to discussion other than keeping the shitfire burning strong.
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Discussion is all well and good, especially as this is a DT forum, but it's the same regurgitated over the top reaction from DTF every single time, especially particular people. Half of the time it serves no point to discussion other than keeping the shitfire burning strong.
True, sounds like you and I are talking about two different things. I'm all for discussion. Not all about over the top reaction. So we are on the same page. :)
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I mean the criticism on this forum on MP is a bit much. Kotow, you should apply to be MP's PR manager.
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I mean the criticism on this forum on MP is a bit much. Kotow, you should apply to be MP's PR manager.
I applied to the job but HE hasn't replied yet.
I tried guys... : ( carpe diem.
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Is there any false information in what he said?
I don't know if anything is necessarily false, but the picture JR has been painting about how writing has worked since he has been in the band reads a little different than what Mike said here I think.
Not even MP will argue that JP and JR come up with the bulk of the music parts that make up DT's songs. BUT MP also did come up with different music parts included in the songs - not as many as JP and JR, but still enough that it is noteworthy. And he also was heavily involved in the arranging of the songs, which is also a significant part of songwriting.
Once again though, as Prog and Kotow already said, it's not about what he says (his point) its about how he says it.
I certainly won't argue that the man has said things in the past that weren't cringeworthy, but you can't blame the man for getting exasperated when fans (or former fans) love to criticize every little thing he does, especially when people cast all sorts of doubt on to what his contributions to the band and songwriting were. I'm pretty sure just about every single person that posts on this board would get more than just a little irritated if whatever they worked so hard on and gave so much of their life to was discounted and credit was taken away from them, which is what is happening now and has numerous times in the past.
His supposed "passive-agressive" statement is stated as such to prove the point he's making - going beyond simply refuting them. And quite frankly, I'd rather have a detailed explanation instead of being left to wonder what proof there is.
I mean the criticism on this forum on MP is a bit much. Kotow, you should apply to be MP's PR manager.
I applied to the job but HE hasn't replied yet.
I tried guys... : ( carpe diem.
You know, that post would almost be brilliant if not for the fact that it sounds just as much like you Kotow as it does you trying to imitate MP. ::)
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I mean the criticism on this forum on MP is a bit much. Kotow, you should apply to be MP's PR manager.
Every time MP does something, someone posts it here. The criticism has been going on for 6 years. What else did you expect? MP lights the fires and everyone else has gasoline. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Good thing it was CLEARLY a joke..
" ::) "
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Not even MP will argue that JP and JR come up with the bulk of the music parts that make up DT's songs. BUT MP also did come up with different music parts included in the songs - not as many as JP and JR, but still enough that it is noteworthy. And he also was heavily involved in the arranging of the songs, which is also a significant part of songwriting.
He kinda did argue exactly that. His quote from FB literally states that a fan is making a big assumption by thinking JP and JR wrote the bulk of the music and then he basically goes on to try to prove why that assumption is wrong.
I agree with you on the arranging part, I think MP's arranging was a huge strength he brought to the band.
I certainly won't argue that the man has said things in the past that weren't cringeworthy, but you can't blame the man for getting exasperated when fans (or former fans) love to criticize every little thing he does, especially when people cast all sorts of doubt on to what his contributions to the band and songwriting were. I'm pretty sure just about every single person that posts on this board would get more than just a little irritated if whatever they worked so hard on and gave so much of their life to was discounted and credit was taken away from them, which is what is happening now and has numerous times in the past.
His supposed "passive-agressive" statement is stated as such to prove the point he's making - going beyond simply refuting them. And quite frankly, I'd rather have a detailed explanation instead of being left to wonder what proof there is.
I can understand his irritation, but more often than not, he seems to make things worse by responding to critics online. Scotty, I know you and Mike are friends, but even you have to admit that sometimes the best thing for Mike would be to simply not respond to this stuff?
And I'll state this again, I'm not hating on MP or trying to diminish his contributions, I'm just trying to look at this as fairly as possible (Translation - not through MP-hater glasses or through MP-fanboy glasses).
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The problem here is that there seems to be no in-between : either you defend MP and you're considered a MP fanboy, or you criticize him and you're considered a MP hater. All black, or white. And notice that it's practically always the same people taking the lead in one or the other situation, so much so that, albeit in a nice way at times, there seems to be a "feud" going on.
In response to the MP post : MP will be MP, for good or for worse. In any case, nothing he has done since the split will make me forget what he did for the band, even if what he says might seem exaggerated sometimes.
B.Lee
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Good thing it was CLEARLY a joke..
" ::) "
Yeah, clearly understated.
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Don't you guys think it is reasonable to think that MP had more of a hand in writing the 12-Step songs than most of the other ones?
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I think I may have found out why he comes across as needlessly passive-aggressive. Look at this corrected message.
Joe Balo, I don't need their blessing to play these songs any more than they need mine to play them.
You saying "they wrote the bulk of the music" is a huge assumption on your part! I co-wrote and arranged all of the music, wrote all of the lyrics and vocal melodies as well as co-Produced every one of the recordings.
The entire concept and idea was solely mine.
Me playing these songs on my own with other musicians is no different to Roger Waters playing Pink Floyd songs with his own band.
As far as not announcing the lineup in advance, if you read what I wrote above you'd see I'm planning on keeping it a surprise for the unveiling at my 50th Birthday Concert on Cruise to the Edge.
If you're uncomfortable buying tickets without knowing my band, then you'll have between February and July to make up your mind.
I think it comes off much better after changing all those ellipsis (which make it look as if he's holding something back, maybe also showing bitterness) to full stops, removing the chaossystem-esque capitalisations (which areneedlessly emotional, even if it's just casual emphasis) and removing the bracketed phrases (which push the point a bit too hard, possibly coming across as aggresssive). I think that the last legit dumb thing he said was about the guy wearing a ADToE shirt, but the way he tends to write messages makes it seem like he's being passive-aggressive even when he isn't. I could be wrong on this, though.
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Don't you guys think it is reasonable to think that MP had more of a hand in writing the 12-Step songs than most of the other ones?
I personally think he had. The 12-step suite was about him and his way to rehab, so it's normal in a way. On a side note, I think the 12-step suite took too much room in DT discog, given that all the tracks composing it are not of the same quality.
B.Lee
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Don't you guys think it is reasonable to think that MP had more of a hand in writing the 12-Step songs than most of the other ones?
I'm not so sure. I mean, it depends on what you consider "writing," which is a debate we've had here many times, and one where there is a huge amount of disagreement in the music industry in general.
My basic understanding (and some of the details could obviously be off) is that JP and JR and always come up with the VAST majority of riff/melody/chord progression ideas, and the band would then "write" by jamming those ideas out together. During that process, MP would come up with creative variations, arrangement ideas, and new riff/melody/chord progressions based on the original ideas from JP and JR. And he would occasionally have a riff/melody/chord progression idea himself. But he doesn't write on or play on a traditional compositional instrument, so that is understandable and isn't meant to be a knock on him. But anyway, he was always very active in his role as a "writer." I'm not sure that changed drastically with the 12SS songs. I think a lot of the original riff/chord/melody ideas were likely JP and JR, with MP doing what he always did. That is my educated guess, for what it's worth.
But as for lyrics and vocal melodies, I have no doubt that that is all mostly him.
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MP doesn't play a "melodic" instrument does he ?
I know he played a bit of bass in "Nightmare Cinema"
But I don't think i've ever seen him or anyone else say he writes actual music on a melodic instrument.
Brann from mastodon sings his musical ideas to the guys and they work it out.
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FWIW, and I have certainly been critical of some of MP's posts in the pasts, there is nothing wrong with this last post.
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Not even MP will argue that JP and JR come up with the bulk of the music parts that make up DT's songs. BUT MP also did come up with different music parts included in the songs - not as many as JP and JR, but still enough that it is noteworthy. And he also was heavily involved in the arranging of the songs, which is also a significant part of songwriting.
He kinda did argue exactly that. His quote from FB literally states that a fan is making a big assumption by thinking JP and JR wrote the bulk of the music and then he basically goes on to try to prove why that assumption is wrong.
I think you missed a subtle point that I made - I specifically said "music parts" not music. As Bosk eloquently put it in his last post, it stands to reason that to a great extent, the riff/melody/chord progressions originally came from JP and/or JR, but MP was involved in the shaping and arranging of those ideas, as well as the song arrangements in general. And he did contribute certain riff/melody/chord progressions too - just not to the same extent as JP and JR.
Another thing that does get overlooked are the vocal melodies, which he certainly was involved with for all the songs he wrote lyrics to, but he was probably involved in to varying degrees in other songs. Even in the case of the JP-penned TDEN, MP came up with the idea to do more of a rap for the verses in that song, instead of singing a melody as JP originally written.
I certainly won't argue that the man has said things in the past that weren't cringeworthy, but you can't blame the man for getting exasperated when fans (or former fans) love to criticize every little thing he does, especially when people cast all sorts of doubt on to what his contributions to the band and songwriting were. I'm pretty sure just about every single person that posts on this board would get more than just a little irritated if whatever they worked so hard on and gave so much of their life to was discounted and credit was taken away from them, which is what is happening now and has numerous times in the past.
His supposed "passive-agressive" statement is stated as such to prove the point he's making - going beyond simply refuting them. And quite frankly, I'd rather have a detailed explanation instead of being left to wonder what proof there is.
I can understand his irritation, but more often than not, he seems to make things worse by responding to critics online. Scotty, I know you and Mike are friends, but even you have to admit that sometimes the best thing for Mike would be to simply not respond to this stuff?
And I'll state this again, I'm not hating on MP or trying to diminish his contributions, I'm just trying to look at this as fairly as possible (Translation - not through MP-hater glasses or through MP-fanboy glasses).
For starters, yes I am friends with him, and yes I agree that there are occasions where it was best for MP to keep his mouth completely shut. But should he remain quiet regards everything? Absolutely not. The man has a right to explain things - maybe the way he types things (as Enigmachine points out) doesn't help, but there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to respond. And here's the thing - how much of making things worse is MP's fault and not that of the critics who look to pounce on and read into every little single thing he posts or says?
And to be clear, I also try to remain neutral and unbiased - I'm not perfect, but I think I do a decent job of it. ;) As I said, I don't agree with everything he's posted (particularly shortly after the split), but it also pisses me off when I see stupid allegations lobbed against him just because he is now perceived as "the enemy" of our favorite band.
Don't you guys think it is reasonable to think that MP had more of a hand in writing the 12-Step songs than most of the other ones?
I think Bosk's post is fairly accurate. MP may have been a bit more involved than with the other songs - I'd wager he was fully in control of the arranging of the songs (in particular TSF) besides the lyrics and vocal melodies - but to what degree he contributed more riff/melody/chord progression ideas is up for debate.
MP doesn't play a "melodic" instrument does he ?
I know he played a bit of bass in "Nightmare Cinema"
But I don't think i've ever seen him or anyone else say he writes actual music on a melodic instrument.
Brann from mastodon sings his musical ideas to the guys and they work it out.
MP can play basic ideas on guitar - don't forget he actually played Van Halen's Eruption at the beginning of the encore in 2007-2008. But the man could still humm or sing ideas if he couldn't play them on guitar or keys. I have an MP3 soundbyte he sent me where he recorded himself humming the main riff for ARoP when he first came up with the idea.
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Good post Scotty, without having to try to go quote by quote, I'll just say I agree with pretty much everything you said for the most part.
I have no doubt MP did contribute some to musical parts, to lesser degree than JP and JR, and I have no doubt he played a part in arranging those songs along with the rest of the band. And to clarify I certainly didn't mean Mike should never respond to anything, just that maybe, sometimes, random fan comments on social media should just be left alone, that's all.
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And to clarify I certainly didn't mean Mike should never respond to anything, just that maybe, sometimes, random fan comments on social media should just be left alone, that's all.
Understood, and I get where you are coming from. However, don't forget that there are hundreds if not thousands of fan comments that are made weekly that never get a response. When he responds to fan comments, it's because they are things he feels really need to be addressed.
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And to clarify I certainly didn't mean Mike should never respond to anything, just that maybe, sometimes, random fan comments on social media should just be left alone, that's all.
Understood, and I get where you are coming from. However, don't forget that there are hundreds if not thousands of fan comments that are made weekly that never get a response. When he responds to fan comments, it's because they are things he feels really need to be addressed.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
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For starters, yes I am friends with him, and yes I agree that there are occasions where it was best for MP to keep his mouth completely shut. But should he remain quiet regards everything? Absolutely not. The man has a right to explain things...
:lol :lol :lol
Nobody ever said he doesn't.
This is the exact same debate style MP uses and does nothing to help his (or your) case.
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What I meant was, there were 4 albums where he knew there would be an AA song ahead of time. He may have been thinking of the kinds of riffs and melodies he wanted and explained them to JP/JR.
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Scotty, for sure given your position, you do a damn fine job being level-headed and as least biased as you can be. Just wanted to point that out. I just hope that MP has friends in his circle that at least, you know, tell him 'hey man, maybe you should look at things X instead of Y' because I get him talking and being who he is; and although this wasn't actually bad IMO, he's done worse in the past over smaller things.
As far as his contributions go. I'm sure JP and JR thinks he contributed less, and that MP thinks he contributed more, but it probably is somewhere in the middle. The dude freaking LOVES music. Seriously. He knows how to communicate and develop musical ideas even if he hadn't laid a finger on a compositional instrument. I mean I'm not even a huge defender of MP, but it does suck to see him get so shit on so consistently - aside from when he's actually earned it which happens now and again. Everyone's got their skeletons though. Mike's are just more visible because that's how it is for him and his career.
I guess that was a mini rant.
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I've always wondered how writing credits work.
It's easy when, say, JP comes in with Wither and it's all done, but what if James suggest a different word or two or Jordan says to extend the bridge or whatever. Do they automatically get a writing credit or can they later claim they should have if there's a bad breakup?
Would a musician withhold something cool for a particular song that they didn't 'write' out of spite if they knew they wouldn't get a writing credit?
Look at all these pop-fluff songs that have 8 different writers on them and none of them is the actual singer, how does *that* even work? Jay-Z says "what up" once in the song and gets credit for it?
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Nobody ever said he doesn't.
Not directly, but by their actions - specifically the way they pounce on and critique every little thing that the man posts - they are saying so indirectly.
I've always wondered how writing credits work.
It's easy when, say, JP comes in with Wither and it's all done, but what if James suggest a different word or two or Jordan says to extend the bridge or whatever. Do they automatically get a writing credit or can they later claim they should have if there's a bad breakup?
Actually, I think you bringing up Wither is an excellent example of how it works. Here's what MP said regarding the fact that JP got the sole songwriting credit:
MP: That’s his song, no two ways about it. He came in one day and played on the piano, actually. He doesn’t really know how to play piano, but he knows how to construct block chords, so he sat down and showed Jordan these kind of block chords, and sang the melody. He said “this is something I have” and we were like “oh yeah, this is really nice. Let’s turn this into a song.” And it was such a simple song, we didn’t want to mess with it. There was no reason why we should “Dream Theater-ize” it. It was a strong melody, a strong chord progression. John had a real good vision of the kind of tonality it should cover. So there was no reason to mess with it. We were like “let’s just do it. And you [JP] will get the full credit – we don’t need to pretend that we wrote this with you, because we didn’t.” It was really something he had, and we brought it to life.
SH: So it wasn’t like he had a demo that he brought from home?
MP: No – he brought in the chords and the melody, and then we brought it to life as a band, but we didn’t really add or change anything to it that would justify us getting any writing credit. And then me and him as producers inevitably orchestrated it together and had ideas on how to orchestrate it – put this here and put that there.
So it seems that the basic chords and melody (beside the lyrics and vocal melody) were what determined that this was his song. Anything done beyond that was merely helping to bring "it to life".
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The writing credits discussion is interesting because it really varies from band to band. In the case of DT, I always assumed they just gave equal credit out of diplomacy. JR's recent comments about The Astonishing seem to support that.
I think it's possible Portnoy had a greater hand in the 12SS stuff, especially later on. I believe him when he says that he wrote all the vocal parts, that combined with the melodies make up a pretty major part of those songs. I also assume he wrote many of the riffs, since a lot of them are somewhat simple. Also a ton of riffs in the 12SS are clearly based on drum patterns. I'm not saying the guy wrote everything, but I think he was certainly the creative director of these songs and probably came up with more musical ideas than usual.
Personally I think writing credits should go to whoever has the major ideas of the song. The chord progressions, melodies, rhythms, etc, whoever comes up with that should get credit. I relate things like coming up with a drum part or a bass line later on more to the arrangement side of things. That's just my opinion though and how I would prefer it if I was in a band. But that just sort of shows how subjective this process can be.
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U2 have always split everything 25%
No surprise it's been the same 4 guys for 40 years.
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For starters, yes I am friends with him, and yes I agree that there are occasions where it was best for MP to keep his mouth completely shut. But should he remain quiet regards everything? Absolutely not. The man has a right to explain things...
:lol :lol :lol
Nobody ever said he doesn't.
This is the exact same debate style MP uses and does nothing to help his (or your) case.
Agreed. You can't make a habit out of fact checking people on social media, much less the internet in general, unless you want to lose your mind. :lol :lol
And with Portnoy, too often his cases of fact checking/"telling it like it is" is usually him giving his version of the facts, which we have seen turn out to be not exactly accurate at times.
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U2 have always split everything 25%
No surprise it's been the same 4 guys for 40 years.
Same with Van Halen, but they still couldn't keep it together.
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It's not really about the verity of what he said. Most of the die-hard fans know who does what in the band. It's how he says it and how he beats the point to death.
You mean like how DTF beats the point to death? :lol
These things only happen when he posts another one of his ME ME THEM posts...
In between those we never mention MP's passive aggressive outbursts.
:facepalm:
For every supposed outburst "ME ME THEM" post MP makes, I have to see 100 outburst exaggerated "ME ME THEM CAPITALIZED PRONOUNS" Kotowboy posts, which is far worse than any of MP's indiscretions. :lol
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Good thing it was CLEARLY a joke..
" ::) "
You are always joking.
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Not even MP will argue that JP and JR come up with the bulk of the music parts that make up DT's songs. BUT MP also did come up with different music parts included in the songs - not as many as JP and JR, but still enough that it is noteworthy. And he also was heavily involved in the arranging of the songs, which is also a significant part of songwriting.
He kinda did argue exactly that. His quote from FB literally states that a fan is making a big assumption by thinking JP and JR wrote the bulk of the music and then he basically goes on to try to prove why that assumption is wrong.
I think you missed a subtle point that I made - I specifically said "music parts" not music. As Bosk eloquently put it in his last post, it stands to reason that to a great extent, the riff/melody/chord progressions originally came from JP and/or JR, but MP was involved in the shaping and arranging of those ideas, as well as the song arrangements in general. And he did contribute certain riff/melody/chord progressions too - just not to the same extent as JP and JR.
Another thing that does get overlooked are the vocal melodies, which he certainly was involved with for all the songs he wrote lyrics to, but he was probably involved in to varying degrees in other songs. Even in the case of the JP-penned TDEN, MP came up with the idea to do more of a rap for the verses in that song, instead of singing a melody as JP originally written.
I certainly won't argue that the man has said things in the past that weren't cringeworthy, but you can't blame the man for getting exasperated when fans (or former fans) love to criticize every little thing he does, especially when people cast all sorts of doubt on to what his contributions to the band and songwriting were. I'm pretty sure just about every single person that posts on this board would get more than just a little irritated if whatever they worked so hard on and gave so much of their life to was discounted and credit was taken away from them, which is what is happening now and has numerous times in the past.
His supposed "passive-agressive" statement is stated as such to prove the point he's making - going beyond simply refuting them. And quite frankly, I'd rather have a detailed explanation instead of being left to wonder what proof there is.
I can understand his irritation, but more often than not, he seems to make things worse by responding to critics online. Scotty, I know you and Mike are friends, but even you have to admit that sometimes the best thing for Mike would be to simply not respond to this stuff?
And I'll state this again, I'm not hating on MP or trying to diminish his contributions, I'm just trying to look at this as fairly as possible (Translation - not through MP-hater glasses or through MP-fanboy glasses).
For starters, yes I am friends with him, and yes I agree that there are occasions where it was best for MP to keep his mouth completely shut. But should he remain quiet regards everything? Absolutely not. The man has a right to explain things - maybe the way he types things (as Enigmachine points out) doesn't help, but there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to respond. And here's the thing - how much of making things worse is MP's fault and not that of the critics who look to pounce on and read into every little single thing he posts or says?
And to be clear, I also try to remain neutral and unbiased - I'm not perfect, but I think I do a decent job of it. ;) As I said, I don't agree with everything he's posted (particularly shortly after the split), but it also pisses me off when I see stupid allegations lobbed against him just because he is now perceived as "the enemy" of our favorite band.
Don't you guys think it is reasonable to think that MP had more of a hand in writing the 12-Step songs than most of the other ones?
I think Bosk's post is fairly accurate. MP may have been a bit more involved than with the other songs - I'd wager he was fully in control of the arranging of the songs (in particular TSF) besides the lyrics and vocal melodies - but to what degree he contributed more riff/melody/chord progression ideas is up for debate.
MP doesn't play a "melodic" instrument does he ?
I know he played a bit of bass in "Nightmare Cinema"
But I don't think i've ever seen him or anyone else say he writes actual music on a melodic instrument.
Brann from mastodon sings his musical ideas to the guys and they work it out.
MP can play basic ideas on guitar - don't forget he actually played Van Halen's Eruption at the beginning of the encore in 2007-2008. But the man could still humm or sing ideas if he couldn't play them on guitar or keys. I have an MP3 soundbyte he sent me where he recorded himself humming the main riff for ARoP when he first came up with the idea.
Wow, he did have a huge part in the writing. It makes me understand why I find DT less melodic or maybe still very melodic but the harmonies are not as good for me
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Nobody ever said he doesn't.
Not directly, but by their actions - specifically the way they pounce on and critique every little thing that the man posts - they are saying so indirectly.
Again, no. Just no. You're being hysterical and not making any sense.
Yeah, I get Kotowboy seems to be the most vocal Portnoy critic around here, and occasionally he crosses the line, in my opinion. But no, Kotowboy does not pounce on "every little thing" Portnoy posts and neither does anybody else.
I decided to check out what Portnoy has posted and nobody has criticized him for posting movie reviews. Did Kotow criticize him for this Winery Dogs drum kit tour? Nope. His post about going to something called Rockfest or shooting a Neal Morse video? Of course nobody did.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board and it is often because Mike Portnoy makes himself a target with his capitalization habits and passive aggressive behavior.
In fact, he had a questionable post about Avenged Sevenfold a day or two ago where a fan said that its too bad he wasn't asked to continue and that their next album sucked. Portnoy chimed in that it was a shame (passively laying some blame on A7X) and then admitting he was too high profile while finishing it up by saying, "I get it."
First, nobody around here posted about it until I just did because I wanted to see just how much people pounce on your boy. Second, even though those weirdly passive shots at the band don't amount to much, it is still weird he would respond to a fan that says A7X sucks without Rev or him (Portnoy) in the band and Portnoy sorta not really disagring with him but end on a passive neutral vaguely positive, "I get it." Point being, if we pounced on him for "every little thing" (which we clearly don't) then why didn't anybody bring up this weird post which is slightly bigger than a "little thing" but clearly not a "big thing?"
The reason? Because your logic is beyond flawed.
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Nobody ever said he doesn't.
Not directly, but by their actions - specifically the way they pounce on and critique every little thing that the man posts - they are saying so indirectly.
Sorry, Scotty, but now you're putting words into people's mouths?!? And yes, you're biased because you are his friend and it's normal to be biased in this case but, unless you are able to read people's thoughts, your assumption is invalid.
B.Lee
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That post mentioned by Madman Shepherd was shocking.
After seeing this thread I decided to check out Mike's Portnoy's Facebook. I was feeling a bit sorry for him - he's clearly, for some bizarre reason, got some sort of insecurity despite how good he is and what he's achieved - but than I saw that reply and lost all sympathy.
If you want to cringe beyond belief - check it out. Madman Shepherd's made is sound more bearable than it actually is, he actually replied to a post tht says "The only thing I can think of is that they didn't want a drummer of your caliber and popularity to upstage the death of the Rev"... what is he thinking!?
He also had a jokey pop at someone who calls him Michael and the whole thing spirals out of control. It's good entertainment at least.
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Not stirring shit but... isn't Portnoy saying "it's a shame they didn't keep him on" completely against
what he previously maintained that he was only ever going to do the album & tour ?
See YouTube video "Wikipedia fact or fiction" for details.
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Nobody ever said he doesn't.
Not directly, but by their actions - specifically the way they pounce on and critique every little thing that the man posts - they are saying so indirectly.
Again, no. Just no. You're being hysterical and not making any sense.
Yeah, I get Kotowboy seems to be the most vocal Portnoy critic around here, and occasionally he crosses the line, in my opinion. But no, Kotowboy does not pounce on "every little thing" Portnoy posts and neither does anybody else.
I decided to check out what Portnoy has posted and nobody has criticized him for posting movie reviews. Did Kotow criticize him for this Winery Dogs drum kit tour? Nope. His post about going to something called Rockfest or shooting a Neal Morse video? Of course nobody did.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board and it is often because Mike Portnoy makes himself a target with his capitalization habits and passive aggressive behavior.
In fact, he had a questionable post about Avenged Sevenfold a day or two ago where a fan said that its too bad he wasn't asked to continue and that their next album sucked. Portnoy chimed in that it was a shame (passively laying some blame on A7X) and then admitting he was too high profile while finishing it up by saying, "I get it."
First, nobody around here posted about it until I just did because I wanted to see just how much people pounce on your boy. Second, even though those weirdly passive shots at the band don't amount to much, it is still weird he would respond to a fan that says A7X sucks without Rev or him (Portnoy) in the band and Portnoy sorta not really disagring with him but end on a passive neutral vaguely positive, "I get it." Point being, if we pounced on him for "every little thing" (which we clearly don't) then why didn't anybody bring up this weird post which is slightly bigger than a "little thing" but clearly not a "big thing?"
The reason? Because your logic is beyond flawed.
I hope this is a joke. You really don't miss the point that much.
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Nobody ever said he doesn't.
Not directly, but by their actions - specifically the way they pounce on and critique every little thing that the man posts - they are saying so indirectly.
Again, no. Just no. You're being hysterical and not making any sense.
Kotowboy does not pounce on "every little thing" Portnoy posts and neither does anybody else.
I decided to check out what Portnoy has posted and nobody has criticized him for posting movie reviews. Did Kotow criticize him for this Winery Dogs drum kit tour? Nope. His post about going to something called Rockfest or shooting a Neal Morse video? Of course nobody did.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board and it is often because Mike Portnoy makes himself a target with his capitalization habits and passive aggressive behavior.
Calm down, pal. Scotty isn't wrong.
Pretty sure that when he says some people pounce on "everything" MP posts, the "DT-related" is implied and understood. Obviously, the man has a life and posts about other stuff that isn't DT-related.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board
That's exactly right, which is exactly what Scotty is talking about.
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Mike Portnoy 's Shattered Fortress headlines ProgPower USA XVIII. This is not a a band. This is not a project. The is an *event.* Mike will perform the "12 Steps Suite" in its entirety with his prog friends. Expect to also hear a few other Dream Theater songs that he was involved with as writer as well.
From progpower USA's FB. Looks like confirmation of other DT songs to be performed.
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I wonder if he'll take the opportunity to perform TBOT? I'm not sure it would fit such an event or be way too long, but it seems like something MP would want to perform at some point as a tribute. I'd definitely expect to hear The Mirror (because it's a good mid length straight up metal song, not because it has anything to do with the 12SS). Out of the rest of the songs he wrote lyrics for, there are many contenders.
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Blob that would be the perfect time to do so. I hope he does.
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Any topic Mike Portnoy related always goes 10+ pages. :P
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I'd say TBOT is the most likely.
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I can only imagine the things that will be analyzed depending on what he says during the actual performances. Didn't even think of that until just now. Going to need a mountain of :chill
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I can only imagine the things that will be analyzed depending on what he says during the actual performances. Didn't even think of that until just now. Going to need a mountain of :chill
Not only that, but the shitload that will befall DT on the part of those who will consider MP's band is doing a better job (the singer for instance) ; or the other way round, the shitload befalling MP....
B.Lee
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Not only that, but the shitload that will befall DT on the part of those who will consider MP's band is doing a better job (the singer for instance)
Gah, I can see it now already. 30-40% of the people suggesting DT to replace James with whoever will be the singer. :facepalm:
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I can only imagine the things that will be analyzed depending on what he says during the actual performances. Didn't even think of that until just now. Going to need a mountain of :chill
Not only that, but the shitload that will befall DT on the part of those who will consider MP's band is doing a better job (the singer for instance) ; or the other way round, the shitload befalling MP....
B.Lee
Agreed, prepare for all of the childish BS that lies ahead.
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Prepare? It's already happening in this thread. :mehlin
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Gah, I can see it now already. 30-40% of the people suggesting DT to replace James with whoever will be the singer. :facepalm:
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I'll be very (though pleasantly) surprised if The Best of Times gets played, mainly because a large part of the love for that song seems to be due to Petrucci's incredible solo. Having to listen to 10 minutes of a song just to get to someone else playing that solo seems, I dunno, a little weird to me. To my mind there are far better Portnoy-written tracks which would suit this kind of event better.
As for the above discussion of MP's online shenanigans - I'm one of his devoted 'fanboys' over on his forum, and while I agree that he could sometimes exercise better judgement in how he expresses things, I do think his heart is almost always in the right place (the only times he's totally crossed the line was his outburst at the English hospital and his disgraceful treatment of the young 'drum tech' guy in Manila). He has a huge ego (that's not necessarily a criticism, it's a part of what got DT off the ground), and the bigger the ego the more fragile it is. I get the impression he is still raw about a) DT not putting up a fight to keep him when he gave them his ultimatum, and b) his perception that his importance to the band has been forgotten. I think he sometimes struggles with the reality that other people don't see him as he sees himself.
But despite that, he has far more good qualities than 'bad'. He gets a shit tonne of abuse online (yes, some of it warranted perhaps) and it's to his credit that he seems able to let most of it go. He's an absolutely exceptional live performer, mesmerising to watch, and he does go out of his way to give fans what he believes they want (the rotating sets, the Ytsejam releases, his behaviour at the meet and greets, which in my experience has always been great). I'm happy Mangini is in DT now, I don't want MP to go back (because I love the new incarnation of DT much more than 2005-2009 DT), but I still support what Portnoy is doing because he's a superb drummer and his bands make great music.
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I wouldn't expect The Best of Times. He said back at the time that it would be too tough to play live, for obvious reasons, so I can't imagine it being any different now. And yeah, while I am sure there are plenty of guys who can play that solo, someone not named John Petrucci playing it live would just seem odd. Then again, Roger Waters has had others play the Comfortably Numb solo live, and Portnoy inexplicably views himself as similar to him, so anything is possible.
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I remember reading an interview from Portnoy while he was still in the band saying he intended on playing TBOT but the 2009 leg was just too soon.
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I hope he plays Wither and throws everyone off.
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Bah, he edited it! Never mind.
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I hope he plays Wither and throws everyone off.
Just MP and a piano.
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Nobody ever said he doesn't.
Not directly, but by their actions - specifically the way they pounce on and critique every little thing that the man posts - they are saying so indirectly.
Again, no. Just no. You're being hysterical and not making any sense.
Kotowboy does not pounce on "every little thing" Portnoy posts and neither does anybody else.
I decided to check out what Portnoy has posted and nobody has criticized him for posting movie reviews. Did Kotow criticize him for this Winery Dogs drum kit tour? Nope. His post about going to something called Rockfest or shooting a Neal Morse video? Of course nobody did.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board and it is often because Mike Portnoy makes himself a target with his capitalization habits and passive aggressive behavior.
Calm down, pal. Scotty isn't wrong.
Pretty sure that when he says some people pounce on "everything" MP posts, the "DT-related" is implied and understood. Obviously, the man has a life and posts about other stuff that isn't DT-related.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board
That's exactly right, which is exactly what Scotty is talking about.
Are you accusing me of taking Scotty out of context by quoting him verbatim? :rollin
Even if he was talking about only things DT related (which he clearly was not), there are tons of things Portnoy posts about DT that nobody pounces on. Scotty is wrong. You guys really need to cut it out with the hysterics, pal.
I wouldn't expect The Best of Times. He said back at the time that it would be too tough to play live, for obvious reasons, so I can't imagine it being any different now. And yeah, while I am sure there are plenty of guys who can play that solo, someone not named John Petrucci playing it live would just seem odd. Then again, Roger Waters has had others play the Comfortably Numb solo live, and Portnoy inexplicably views himself as similar to him, so anything is possible.
I'm sure it would be difficult but what better time to honor his father than his 50th bday party. He has always said he wants to play it live so I can't imagine a better opportunity short of a DT reunion. It would be sort of an odd fit with a set mainly comprised of the 12SS, though.
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Roger Waters has had others play the Comfortably Numb solo live, and Portnoy inexplicably views himself as similar to him, so anything is possible.
That was a very big statement by Mike, I thought. I guess you could stretch it out if we're talking about the more collaborative Floyd stuff, but certainly not The Wall or other primarily Waters penned songs. Waters is a singer, instrumentalist and composer of the melody (as opposed to composer of the drum parts).
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Are you accusing me of taking Scotty out of context by quoting him verbatim? :rollin
Even if he was talking about only things DT related (which he clearly was not), there are tons of things Portnoy posts about DT that nobody pounces on. Scotty is wrong. You guys really need to cut it out with the hysterics, pal.
Agreed.
I hope he plays Wither and throws everyone off.
Just MP and a piano.
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Roger Waters has had others play the Comfortably Numb solo live, and Portnoy inexplicably views himself as similar to him, so anything is possible.
That was a very big statement by Mike, I thought. I guess you could stretch it out if we're talking about the more collaborative Floyd stuff, but certainly not The Wall or other primarily Waters penned songs. Waters is a singer, instrumentalist and composer of the melody (as opposed to composer of the drum parts).
I suspect he likes to compare himself to Waters because they were/are both major control freaks who like(d) to run the show, but for all of his faults, Portnoy was never a complete dick like Waters (who just looked like a miserable guy for decades), so he might not be the best person to compare yourself to.
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As much as I love Waters, that's a good point. He had his share of bitter moments and still seems to be figuring some of that stuff out, even though he's mellowed out over the years.
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:metal
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I think it would be awesome if he made this his new band and put out new albums. This is clearly the type of music he was meant for. And it's understandable that he's doing this show, he was an original member many many years and wrote the music. He's allowed to perform the songs again live.
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Mike Portnoy's Shattered Fortress
presents
Lyrics & Images
1. Undertow
2. Tomorrow
3. Wait a while
4. In The Middle
5. Cityscape Part 1.
6. Fragile Eclipse
7. Insomnia
8. Life is Hard.
" With this new band and album I am finally over Dream Theater ! : ) "
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Alternatively, A Dramatic Turn of Events pt 2.
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Thats's The Joke ! :neverusethis: :blob:
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I think it would be awesome if he made this his new band and put out new albums. This is clearly the type of music he was meant for. And it's understandable that he's doing this show, he was an original member many many years and wrote the music. He's allowed to perform the songs again live.
I really hope he doesn't. A band that will inevitably live under DT's shadow in every possible way? Doesn't sound that good to me.
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I think it would be awesome if he made this his new band and put out new albums. This is clearly the type of music he was meant for. And it's understandable that he's doing this show, he was an original member many many years and wrote the music. He's allowed to perform the songs again live.
I really hope he doesn't. A band that will inevitably live under DT's shadow in every possible way? Doesn't sound that good to me.
That would definitely create a lot of tension and I think it would ultimately lead to more strife because theres no way it could match the popularity of Dream Theater, but out of all of his post DT projects, this is about the only thing that interests me.
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I think it would be awesome if he made this his new band and put out new albums. This is clearly the type of music he was meant for. And it's understandable that he's doing this show, he was an original member many many years and wrote the music. He's allowed to perform the songs again live.
I really hope he doesn't. A band that will inevitably live under DT's shadow in every possible way? Doesn't sound that good to me.
That would definitely create a lot of tension and I think it would ultimately lead to more strife because theres no way it could match the popularity of Dream Theater, but out of all of his post DT projects, this is about the only thing that interests me.
His stuff with Neal and Colors is pretty great stuff. I like TWD too, but that's more rock, really.
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I think it would be awesome if he made this his new band and put out new albums. This is clearly the type of music he was meant for. And it's understandable that he's doing this show, he was an original member many many years and wrote the music. He's allowed to perform the songs again live.
I really hope he doesn't. A band that will inevitably live under DT's shadow in every possible way? Doesn't sound that good to me.
That would definitely create a lot of tension and I think it would ultimately lead to more strife because theres no way it could match the popularity of Dream Theater, but out of all of his post DT projects, this is about the only thing that interests me.
His stuff with Neal and Colors is pretty great stuff. I like TWD too, but that's more rock, really.
Really can't get into Neal's voice and I really haven't given Flying Colors much of a chance but what I've heard hasn't interested me. My buddy who is a pretty big Portnoy critic thinks the latest Transatlantic is a masterpiece but I just couldn't get into it.
I was kind of interested in the Metal Allegiance album but again, what I heard just didn't catch me. I finally got PSMS a while back and actually kinda dig that for what it is. I would definitely buy a studio album from them.
I will say this though...I don't have a whole lot of confidence that MP's SF is going to be mindblowingly good, but if they release an album of the live performance I will definitely buy a copy.
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Your buddy is on a small island, since it seems like most agreed that the last Transatlantic album, while good, wasn't nearly as great as the first three.
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I wonder if he'll take the opportunity to perform TBOT? I'm not sure it would fit such an event or be way too long, but it seems like something MP would want to perform at some point as a tribute. I'd definitely expect to hear The Mirror (because it's a good mid length straight up metal song, not because it has anything to do with the 12SS). Out of the rest of the songs he wrote lyrics for, there are many contenders.
I think this would be the best time for him to play it honestly. His birthday along with other DT songs, sounds like the perfect venue.
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Nobody ever said he doesn't.
Not directly, but by their actions - specifically the way they pounce on and critique every little thing that the man posts - they are saying so indirectly.
Again, no. Just no. You're being hysterical and not making any sense.
Kotowboy does not pounce on "every little thing" Portnoy posts and neither does anybody else.
I decided to check out what Portnoy has posted and nobody has criticized him for posting movie reviews. Did Kotow criticize him for this Winery Dogs drum kit tour? Nope. His post about going to something called Rockfest or shooting a Neal Morse video? Of course nobody did.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board and it is often because Mike Portnoy makes himself a target with his capitalization habits and passive aggressive behavior.
Calm down, pal. Scotty isn't wrong.
Pretty sure that when he says some people pounce on "everything" MP posts, the "DT-related" is implied and understood. Obviously, the man has a life and posts about other stuff that isn't DT-related.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board
That's exactly right, which is exactly what Scotty is talking about.
Are you accusing me of taking Scotty out of context by quoting him verbatim? :rollin
Even if he was talking about only things DT related (which he clearly was not), there are tons of things Portnoy posts about DT that nobody pounces on. Scotty is wrong. You guys really need to cut it out with the hysterics, pal.
Actually hef hit the nail on the head, which is why I didn't feel the need to respond further. Sorry that I needed to spell out specifically that I was referring to his DT posts. I thought it was obvious enough, but apparently not. I think it's a given that just about no one on this board cares much about anything else that he posts and therefore no one's gonna take any issues with or pick apart any of those posts.
Nonetheless, I stand by what I said. Feel free to disagree, but there's been plenty of evidence in the past, and even you acknowledged as much in your post as hef addressed. It's a fact that whenever he says anything related to DT, there's people on this board trying to pick apart everything little he says - kinda like what you did to my comments above. :P And cutting out the hysterics? Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Actually, more often than not, one doesn't have to "pick apart what he says," because he usually posts things in such a direct manner that Helen Keller could read his posts and figure out what he means without much trouble.
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Actually, more often than not, one doesn't have to "pick apart what he says," because he usually posts things in such a direct manner that Helen Keller could read his posts and figure out what he means without much trouble.
and yet people still do it. :p
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Nobody ever said he doesn't.
Not directly, but by their actions - specifically the way they pounce on and critique every little thing that the man posts - they are saying so indirectly.
Again, no. Just no. You're being hysterical and not making any sense.
Kotowboy does not pounce on "every little thing" Portnoy posts and neither does anybody else.
I decided to check out what Portnoy has posted and nobody has criticized him for posting movie reviews. Did Kotow criticize him for this Winery Dogs drum kit tour? Nope. His post about going to something called Rockfest or shooting a Neal Morse video? Of course nobody did.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board and it is often because Mike Portnoy makes himself a target with his capitalization habits and passive aggressive behavior.
Calm down, pal. Scotty isn't wrong.
Pretty sure that when he says some people pounce on "everything" MP posts, the "DT-related" is implied and understood. Obviously, the man has a life and posts about other stuff that isn't DT-related.
The only thing that gets brought up around here is Dream Theater related because this is still a Dream Theater message board
That's exactly right, which is exactly what Scotty is talking about.
Are you accusing me of taking Scotty out of context by quoting him verbatim? :rollin
Even if he was talking about only things DT related (which he clearly was not), there are tons of things Portnoy posts about DT that nobody pounces on. Scotty is wrong. You guys really need to cut it out with the hysterics, pal.
Actually hef hit the nail on the head, which is why I didn't feel the need to respond further. Sorry that I needed to spell out specifically that I was referring to his DT posts. I thought it was obvious enough, but apparently not. I think it's a given that just about no one on this board cares much about anything else that he posts and therefore no one's gonna take any issues with or pick apart any of those posts.
Nonetheless, I stand by what I said. Feel free to disagree, but there's been plenty of evidence in the past, and even you acknowledged as much in your post as hef addressed. It's a fact that whenever he says anything related to DT, there's people on this board trying to pick apart everything little he says - kinda like what you did to my comments above. :P And cutting out the hysterics? Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Putting yourself on a pedestal with Portnoy now?
If there is plenty of evidence, then instead of sitting up there on that pedestal you've put yourself on, try actually proving it. Your idea of picking something apart is simply having a discussion, often times constructive, that is of course until someone like you comes in and, yes, hysterically screams
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We get it. You're friends with him. He's given you free stuff. You can still be objective. It'll take a little effort, but I believe in you.
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If there is plenty of evidence, then instead of sitting up there on that pedestal you've put yourself on, try actually proving it.
Look, I still stand by my point, and I know there are several others here that know I'm not making stuff up. Seeing as I don't have the time, and I'm so clearly wrong, how about you prove your point, since it'll obviously be a piece of cake to prove it, no?
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Thanks for proving my point about hysterics. ;)
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I'm not a mod, guys, but could you keep this for PM, because, and apparently noone has read my post up the page, this is turning into a personal feud again? You will both stand your ground, we get it. Now, don't take us in this, please. Thanks.
B.Lee
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If there is plenty of evidence, then instead of sitting up there on that pedestal you've put yourself on, try actually proving it.
Look, I still stand by my point, and I know there are several others here that know I'm not making stuff up. Seeing as I don't have the time, and I'm so clearly wrong, how about you prove your point, since it'll obviously be a piece of cake to prove it, no?
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Oh, brother....
I already did. You'll just keep deflecting the blame or any type of constructive discussion. Typical for you to want others to do the work. I'll just accept this as the white flag...until next time when you feel your boy is being picked on.
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Thanks for proving my point about hysterics. ;)
Haha, if the shoe fits...or should I borrow a quote you tend to "borrow", "I call it like I see it."
I'm not a mod, guys, but could you keep this for PM, because, and apparently noone has read my post up the page, this is turning into a personal feud again? You will both stand your ground, we get it. Now, don't take us in this, please. Thanks.
B.Lee
Sorry, this stuff has gone on too long and needed to be addressed. When one side never wants to constructively contribute, it does tend to deflect from the topic at hand but I did respond to your comment, just not directly.
I do see this new project as causing a lot of strife but I do honestly feel that Mike has every right to do it and I'm actually moderately interested.
While I think comparing himself to Roger Waters may be a bit much, I get what he is saying. It's no different than when Halford went solo and played some Judas Priest. Sadly, people couldn't enjoy both bands without the comparison and it led many fans to saying things like, "Halford is more Judas Priest than Priest is!" People started saying Pat Lachman was better than Glenn Tipton. Lachman was great, no doubt, but he was no Glenn Tipton. On that same token, Ripper was great but no Halford. Then again, Tipton was no Lachman and Halford was no Ripper. I loved both bands but it wasnt even fun discussing it at the time because both side, (well...more the Halford diehards) were so insufferable in their opinions.
I get it man, and I responded, just not directly.
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No problem on my side.
As for me, I've always said that what MP did outside DT did not interest me, all the less so now that he's no longer in the band. Btw, the only solo thing I'm interested in is JLB's stuff.
B.Lee
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I would agree that JLB's stuff is the best of the bunch. I do like Jelly Jam but not passionately (very bummed they didn't come to the midwest on their tour). Never been a fan of Jordan's or John's stuff with the exception of LTE.
I actually loved Mike's side projects before he left DT. His post DT output has just never interested me much.
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I like the first Mullmuzzler album, but I've had no interest in hearing any more of JLB's solo stuff.
Of Portnoy's three new "real" bands since leaving DT (meaning bands that actual record original material for studio albums, not live stuff like PSMS), I like one a lot (Flying Colors), think one totally sucked (Adrenaline Mob), and think the other is solid, but never feel like listening to them (The Booze Hounds :P).
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
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I didn't mind Adrenaline Mob, it wasn't great but I thought it had solid moments. Basically it was just as good as anything else in that style of music.
I loved the first Flying Colors, the second one was ok but a disappointment in comparison.
Winery Dogs did nothing for me, which is a shame because I think all three players are great.
For me Portnoy tends to be best when working with Neal Morse.
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I thought Feel The Adrenaline - music video and lyrics were all super generic.
For the supposed pedigree involved it was staggering really.
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I thought Feel The Adrenaline - music video and lyrics were all super generic.
For the supposed pedigree involved it was staggering really.
Was that the video where Russel Allen was being haunted by his shadow? That was bad.
So has anybody heard of the Make America Rock Again tour? All these bands like Saliva, Drowning Pool, Saving Abel, Alien Ant Farm, Crazy Town and others had a mini festival. It sold so poorly they were selling the best tickets for $10 bucks. Between the 10 bands, I liked a total of 3 songs so I went.
There was a little over 1000 people there in an arena that holds 9000.
Adrenaline Mob would have fit in perfectly but the problem is, this style of music wasn't any more popular 6 years ago. I just don't know what they were thinking.
Also, I'm not saying this facetiously, AM would have been the 3rd best band there. I kind of like Saliva and Saving Abel surprised the hell out me by how good their show was (still not a fan). The rest were pretty terrible. So yeah, Adrenaline Mob would actually be pretty decent if it were in that crowd.
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It was the video of the desert road and bikes or cars driving along it.
So terrible.
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...the only solo thing I'm interested in is JLB's stuff.
A new page, a real discussion! I have no idea what people were arguing about on the last page.
I don't like the Mullmuzzler albums at all, but JLB's next three are great!
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...the only solo thing I'm interested in is JLB's stuff.
A new page, a real discussion! I have no idea what people were arguing about on the last page.
What our favorite flavor of broccoli is. Mine is cotton candy flavored broccoli.
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
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I don't remember that vignette of info.
Was he too "Press Release Happy" :P
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
I believe the interviewer asked him about how he gets a jersey from every city they play and Mike confesses that he doesn't really have quite the tour rider he had with Dream Theater.
Later when asked why he quit he said that he invested a lot of his personal money in the band and it never took off which is pretty much a direct contradiction to the reason he gave about why he left but I think it is the more honest answer.
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My god, just lock the thread already.
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Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit.
That.
My god, just lock the thread already.
And DEFINITELY that! :lol
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
There's always more to the story. All I can say is that my best friend, who works in the industry, used to live next door to one of the band members and still keeps in touch. Considering some of the details surrounding the situation, they're quite credible. Now, are there ancillary details? I'm sure of it. There always are.
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Everyone seems to have a friend in the music industry.
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
There's always more to the story. All I can say is that my best friend, who works in the industry, used to live next door to one of the band members and still keeps in touch. Considering some of the details surrounding the situation, they're quite credible. Now, are there ancillary details? I'm sure of it. There always are.
So basically, you're saying that you have about as much insight as any of us randos on the forum. Cool.
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
There's always more to the story. All I can say is that my best friend, who works in the industry, used to live next door to one of the band members and still keeps in touch. Considering some of the details surrounding the situation, they're quite credible. Now, are there ancillary details? I'm sure of it. There always are.
So basically, you're saying that you "know a guy who knows a guy" and you have about as much insight as any of us randos on the forum. Not sure why you'd taunt that as some kind of special access. Those types of rumors are often the most false ones.
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I know everything because Jesus is on my speed dial.
#7 :angel:
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
There's always more to the story. All I can say is that my best friend, who works in the industry, used to live next door to one of the band members and still keeps in touch. Considering some of the details surrounding the situation, they're quite credible. Now, are there ancillary details? I'm sure of it. There always are.
So basically, you're saying that you "know a guy who knows a guy" and you have about as much insight as any of us randos on the forum. Not sure why you'd taunt that as some kind of special access. Those types of rumors are often the most false ones.
Don't you mean flaunt?
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I like the first Mullmuzzler album, but I've had no interest in hearing any more of JLB's solo stuff.
Of Portnoy's three new "real" bands since leaving DT (meaning bands that actual record original material for studio albums, not live stuff like PSMS), I like one a lot (Flying Colors), think one totally sucked (Adrenaline Mob), and think the other is solid, but never feel like listening to them (The Booze Hounds :P).
What about Winery Dogs? I think they are the best of MPs work outside of DT.
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I like the Winery Dogs, but IMO MP's collective works with Neal Morse (NM solo/Transatlantic/Flying Colors) are his best work outside of DT, and frankly a lot of it is better than a lot of his work with DT was.
Also, Kev, you need to check out JLB's solo albums post-Mullmuzzler. Those are really good.
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I've had no interest in any of MP's post-DT projects. Winery Dogs was up my alley, but did nothing for me. MP alone isn't enough to get me interested in the rest.
JLB's solo albums are great though. I'll take Impermanent Resonance over probably the last 4 or 5 DT albums.
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Agreed about JLB's last two solo albums, really great stuff on them.
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As far as JLB's solo stuff goes, excluding the 2 Mullmuzzler albums because I don't know them, I would say EoP > SI > IR, but that's just me (btw, 1 and 2 are 1 or 2 depending on my mood).
B.Lee
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I like the first Mullmuzzler album, but I've had no interest in hearing any more of JLB's solo stuff.
Of Portnoy's three new "real" bands since leaving DT (meaning bands that actual record original material for studio albums, not live stuff like PSMS), I like one a lot (Flying Colors), think one totally sucked (Adrenaline Mob), and think the other is solid, but never feel like listening to them (The Booze Hounds :P).
What about Winery Dogs? I think they are the best of MPs work outside of DT.
Booze Hounds = Winery Dogs. :biggrin: :lol
Also, Kev, you need to check out JLB's solo albums post-Mullmuzzler. Those are really good.
What's the best one? What songs stand out?
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I like the first Mullmuzzler album, but I've had no interest in hearing any more of JLB's solo stuff.
Of Portnoy's three new "real" bands since leaving DT (meaning bands that actual record original material for studio albums, not live stuff like PSMS), I like one a lot (Flying Colors), think one totally sucked (Adrenaline Mob), and think the other is solid, but never feel like listening to them (The Booze Hounds :P).
What about Winery Dogs? I think they are the best of MPs work outside of DT.
Booze Hounds = Winery Dogs. :biggrin: :lol
Also, Kev, you need to check out JLB's solo albums post-Mullmuzzler. Those are really good.
What's the best one? What songs stand out?
:rollin right over my head, assumed that was some other MP band since Im not familiar with them all.
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Kev, go with Static impulse. Tracks like Euphoric, Coming home and Superstar might get your attention.
As far as Mike's bands after Dream Theater are concerned, both Flying Colors albums are very good. I'm looking forward to what they might release next year.
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Also, Kev, you need to check out JLB's solo albums post-Mullmuzzler. Those are really good.
What's the best one? What songs stand out?
All 3 albums are awesome from beginning to end. I would get all 3 and listen to them chronologically. You won't be disappointed.
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Also, Kev, you need to check out JLB's solo albums post-Mullmuzzler. Those are really good.
What's the best one? What songs stand out?
All 3 albums are awesome from beginning to end. I would get all 3 and listen to them chronologically. You won't be disappointed.
While I find all 3 awesome as well, Static Impulse and Impermanent Resonance are with a different backing band and have a totally different sound than Elements of Persuasion. If you don't like SI, you most likely won't like IR, but you still might like EoP.
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Also, Kev, you need to check out JLB's solo albums post-Mullmuzzler. Those are really good.
What's the best one? What songs stand out?
All 3 albums are awesome from beginning to end. I would get all 3 and listen to them chronologically. You won't be disappointed.
I didn't want to give this kind of comment, but it's fairly true.
Elements of Persuasion has one heck of a band, including Mike Mangini on drums, Matt Guillory on keys, and Marco Sfogli on guitar, and it's a prog metal album, emphasis on metal. Songs mostly written by LaBrie and Guillory. Standout tracks (for me) include Crucify, Invisible, and Lost.
Static Impulse saw a new bass player (Ray Riendeau) and new drummer (Pete Wildoer, who auditioned for DT along with Mangini, Minneman, etc). The album has a touch of melodic death metal, with some harsh vocals supplied by Wildoer, but they still retain their prog metal feel and have a great energy. Standouts (for me) include One More Time, Jekyll & Hyde, Misled, Euphoric, Over The Edge, Who You Think I Am, and Coming Home (so, most of the album lol).
Impermanent Resonance features the same band and same style as Static Impulse. Standouts for me include Agony, Undertow, Holding On, Lost in the Fire, Amnesia, and I Will Not Break.
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Hef covered most of it. I wanted to point out that Agony is probably my favorite song that has JLB singing (as far as heavy songs go). Also, I found Elements of Persuasion to be a grower, but once it grew on me, it probably has more staying power than the other two albums. Those albums have GREAT hooks, though. All three are worth getting.
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My god, just lock the thread already.
And DEFINITELY that! :lol
No wait! The thread has taken a turn for the better with discussions of JLB's solo material. :lol
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I liked both Flying Colors albums. Not great but good. Neil Morse does some very good music. I loved the harmonies that he's capable of creating. But compared to DT, their "success story" is very little and for Portnoy, that is something probably difficult to see when you are use to bigger tours and crowds.
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
There's always more to the story. All I can say is that my best friend, who works in the industry, used to live next door to one of the band members and still keeps in touch. Considering some of the details surrounding the situation, they're quite credible. Now, are there ancillary details? I'm sure of it. There always are.
I won't immediately dismiss your comment. I just can't imagine why they would ask him to leave unless he made it clear he was going to concentrate on Winery Dogs and they were like, "No, we gotta put all our energy into this."
BTW, LaBrie's EoP is fucking AMAAAAZING. The compositions are much more simplistic for the most part but the riffs are killer. It is HEAVY but doesn't have any growling vocals. Well, James does that kind of scowl voice but it sounds awesome. The lyrics are also pretty damn good (both Matt's and James's).
I believe Matt G. said (on this very board) that recording that album was the highlight of his career. I think they set up a mini studio at James's brothers cottage in Ontario and would just wake up and record, kick back on the lake, and then go record more. Sounds like heaven.
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The first Flying Colors was brilliant. The second one fell mightily short of it, it felt shoehorned in many places, and more like a Morse album.
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The first Flying Colors was brilliant. The second one fell mightily short of it, it felt shoehorned in many places.
I really liked the 2nd one. Minus the first track. I think they're both excellent. I think the overly proggy 1st track, and the lack of Beatles inspired songs kind of turned off some fans though.
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I liked the first one because it had struck new ground musically. Yes, there was the Beatles in it, and there was pop, and singer-songwriter. Nothing either Portnoy or Morse had done before.
The second one was the opposite, it was exactly what you would expect from a Morse-Portnoy project. Proggy, Morsey, preachy. That pleased people who liked Morse's solo stuff, but I found it predictable and dull.
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I liked the first one because it had struck new ground musically. Yes, there was the Beatles in it, and there was pop, and singer-songwriter. Nothing either Portnoy or Morse had done before.
The second one was the opposite, it was exactly what you would expect from a Morse-Portnoy project. Proggyy, Morsey. That pleased people who liked Morse's solo stuff, but I found it predictable and dull.
I honestly just don't see that it's super Morsey outside of the first track. It gets a bit more prog, but there are plenty of songs that sound like Morse or Portnoy. It didn't cover the same ground as the first album, but I think they had a catch 22 situation. If they just did the first album again, that's bad, and their combined chemistry started showing strong influences from where they naturally come from, which apparently was also bad. I just want good songs. I think the 2nd album gave us plenty of good songs. Whether or not it was brand new, never done before territory, eh, it's not quite as important as just good songs.
And I'm not even a fan of Morse outside of these two albums. Or Transatlantic.
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My god, just lock the thread already.
And DEFINITELY that! :lol
No wait! The thread has taken a turn for the better with discussions of JLB's solo material. :lol
Thank all Bertielee to have shifted the focus towards more musical opinions, albeit a JLB discussion. :metal :biggrin:
B.Lee
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
There's always more to the story. All I can say is that my best friend, who works in the industry, used to live next door to one of the band members and still keeps in touch. Considering some of the details surrounding the situation, they're quite credible. Now, are there ancillary details? I'm sure of it. There always are.
I won't immediately dismiss your comment. I just can't imagine why they would ask him to leave unless he made it clear he was going to concentrate on Winery Dogs and they were like, "No, we gotta put all our energy into this."
Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
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Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
MP said the same thing about Kevin Moore during the 1st two OSI albums :lol
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:lol I remember.
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Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
And look what they've managed to accomplish without him!
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Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
And look what they've managed to accomplish without him!
It was already not much with him in the band. :angel:
B.Lee
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I liked the first one because it had struck new ground musically. Yes, there was the Beatles in it, and there was pop, and singer-songwriter. Nothing either Portnoy or Morse had done before.
The second one was the opposite, it was exactly what you would expect from a Morse-Portnoy project. Proggyy, Morsey. That pleased people who liked Morse's solo stuff, but I found it predictable and dull.
I honestly just don't see that it's super Morsey outside of the first track. It gets a bit more prog, but there are plenty of songs that sound like Morse or Portnoy. It didn't cover the same ground as the first album, but I think they had a catch 22 situation. If they just did the first album again, that's bad, and their combined chemistry started showing strong influences from where they naturally come from, which apparently was also bad. I just want good songs. I think the 2nd album gave us plenty of good songs. Whether or not it was brand new, never done before territory, eh, it's not quite as important as just good songs.
And I'm not even a fan of Morse outside of these two albums. Or Transatlantic.
I agree completely. The first album is really good, and the second album is also really good, although certainly somewhat different. And I don't think it is overly Morsey. I think, if anything, the second album sounds more like what I expected the first album to sound like - a fusion of the best of Neal and Steve Morse, with a lot of Casey thrown in.
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I'm glad this thread got back on track from the shitfest it was in the last page or two.
I'd really love the opportunity to see MP playing some of this stuff, but I don't think I'll have that chance. I'm just grateful to have seen TWD' abbreviated set at M3 last year. Damn good stuff.
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Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
MP said the same thing about Kevin Moore during the 1st two OSI albums :lol
And also JP and JR said during the ADTOE that the recording of the album felt more relaxed. So that tells you something. But also, I don't think MP does it on purpose. I think he puts on his director hat and wants to direct everything around the recording process. But in albums were he was just the session drummer, he did a very good job drumming (Nightmare comes to mind, as well as the first couple of Neal Morse albums).
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
There's always more to the story. All I can say is that my best friend, who works in the industry, used to live next door to one of the band members and still keeps in touch. Considering some of the details surrounding the situation, they're quite credible. Now, are there ancillary details? I'm sure of it. There always are.
I won't immediately dismiss your comment. I just can't imagine why they would ask him to leave unless he made it clear he was going to concentrate on Winery Dogs and they were like, "No, we gotta put all our energy into this."
Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
Meanwhile I'll add that I overheard someone who was hanging out with the rest of his family at one of the NYC Winery Dogs shows saying that he left because of his other projects and also because Mike Orlando was a PITA to work with. Sounds like these two maybe just clashed too much.
On the more fun topic of discussion in this thread, I've loved both albums from each of The Winery Dogs and Flying Colors. Metal Allegiance made for a really fun live show, and Adrenaline Mob isn't terrible workout music. Looking forward to maybe getting to see him do the 12SS sometime next year.
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Meanwhile I'll add that I overheard someone who was hanging out with the rest of his family at one of the NYC Winery Dogs shows saying that he left because of his other projects and also because Mike Orlando was a PITA to work with. Sounds like these two maybe just clashed too much.
On the more fun topic of discussion in this thread, I've loved both albums from each of The Winery Dogs and Flying Colors. Metal Allegiance made for a really fun live show, and Adrenaline Mob isn't terrible workout music. Looking forward to maybe getting to see him do the 12SS sometime next year.
So there was obvious tension in the band coming from multiple members. At the end of the day, it's unnecessary drama.
I was never big on A. Mob's music, but LOVE Flying Colors. I want to say it's his best side project but LTE and Transatlantic are better in my opinion.
Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
And look what they've managed to accomplish without him!
Who, A. Mob? Like I mentioned above, I never took to their music so it's six of one, half dozen of the other for me.
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Adrenaline Mob were laughable. Might as well have been called Midlife Crisis Mob.
I Know MP said he left because of scheduling conflicts but I think that was a lie and he realised just how bad they were.
Actually, he was asked to leave.
Unless you have some inside info nobody else has, every interview with various members including MP has said that he quit. Mp was starting up the Winery Dogs and claimed scheduling conflicts though there is an interview on youtube somewhere where he is pretty noticeably apathetic, I don't know if frustrated is the right word, but not happy playing small clubs.
There's always more to the story. All I can say is that my best friend, who works in the industry, used to live next door to one of the band members and still keeps in touch. Considering some of the details surrounding the situation, they're quite credible. Now, are there ancillary details? I'm sure of it. There always are.
I won't immediately dismiss your comment. I just can't imagine why they would ask him to leave unless he made it clear he was going to concentrate on Winery Dogs and they were like, "No, we gotta put all our energy into this."
Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
Meanwhile I'll add that I overheard someone who was hanging out with the rest of his family at one of the NYC Winery Dogs shows saying that he left because of his other projects and also because Mike Orlando was a PITA to work with. Sounds like these two maybe just clashed too much.
On the more fun topic of discussion in this thread, I've loved both albums from each of The Winery Dogs and Flying Colors. Metal Allegiance made for a really fun live show, and Adrenaline Mob isn't terrible workout music. Looking forward to maybe getting to see him do the 12SS sometime next year.
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Holy shit!
Didn't Orlando record Portnoy's kids band?
While Mike has made a few appearances here and there with them, it is interesting how Russell Allen was always at the top of Mike's list to work with and a lot of fans dream prog side project, but after Amob it looks like the potential of that is over.
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Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
John, I always felt that he threatened to leave, and they called his bluff. As soon as he walked out the door, they changed the locks.
Not doubting your source, but my feeling is that if MP was truly "fired", there's no way he doesn't let that slip out on social media.
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Portnoy was also a huge source of promotion and probably helped finance the project. I can't imagine they were in a position where they could even ask him to leave.
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Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
John, I always felt that he threatened to leave, and they called his bluff. As soon as he walked out the door, they changed the locks.
Not doubting your source, but my feeling is that if MP was truly "fired", there's no way he doesn't let that slip out on social media.
You make a good point. Unless he's just trying to save face because then he has to admit his being a control freak got him fired. I won't claim to be totally right. This could have been the band member's drunken rant. My friend was at his 4th of July bbq. It's an interesting perspective, but it's like someone claiming to know the exact details of the MP/DT split.
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Who, A. Mob? Like I mentioned above, I never took to their music so it's six of one, half dozen of the other for me.
Yes, A. Mob. I don't like them either, but there's no denying that Portnoy's the only reason why it ever worked to begin with.
I get why MP is so harshly criticized, but the fact is the guy knows how to promote a band and produce an album. That isn't me saying he produces great albums all the time, it's just me saying that if it weren't for him, a lot of these has-beens or never-shoulda-beens wouldn't even have albums to their names. Would I love for MP to produce a really great album with better musicians? Absolutely. But I can't deny the value he brings to the table.
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Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
John, I always felt that he threatened to leave, and they called his bluff. As soon as he walked out the door, they changed the locks.
Not doubting your source, but my feeling is that if MP was truly "fired", there's no way he doesn't let that slip out on social media.
You make a good point. Unless he's just trying to save face because then he has to admit his being a control freak got him fired. I won't claim to be totally right. This could have been the band member's drunken rant. My friend was at his 4th of July bbq. It's an interesting perspective, but it's like someone claiming to know the exact details of the MP/DT split.
What both sides have claimed publicly is that he did go back a short time later, but they told him he was not welcome. They had moved on. Perhaps that is what your friend is referencing.
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A. Mob was such a waste of MP's and Russell Allen's talent....the only cool thing they did is the Come Undone version...the rest is just boring.
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Let's just say someone in the band expressed something along the lines of him being extremely difficult to work with, as far as wanting to have more control over things. That does sound like his MO, so it's completely plausible to think there is more to him leaving than was publicized. Maybe that on top of his side projects was enough to ask him to leave.
John, I always felt that he threatened to leave, and they called his bluff. As soon as he walked out the door, they changed the locks.
Not doubting your source, but my feeling is that if MP was truly "fired", there's no way he doesn't let that slip out on social media.
You make a good point. Unless he's just trying to save face because then he has to admit his being a control freak got him fired. I won't claim to be totally right. This could have been the band member's drunken rant. My friend was at his 4th of July bbq. It's an interesting perspective, but it's like someone claiming to know the exact details of the MP/DT split.
What both sides have claimed publicly is that he did go back a short time later, but they told him he was not welcome. They had moved on. Perhaps that is what your friend is referencing.
Why does that sound familiar? :lol
A. Mob was such a waste of MP's and Russell Allen's talent....the only cool thing they did is the Come Undone version...the rest is just boring.
Being a big fan of both, you're right. Russell Allen has one of the best voices in metal, so hearing A. Mob was so disappointing.
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So the cruise finally happened. Here is a link I found for part of the AA suite. It does sound a bit off in sections. Maybe a little obvious because it's not DT but I've heard great covers that sounded dead on. Overall it was pretty good. I'll bet it was an awesome cruise.
https://youtu.be/4sgzUl11LFQ
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So the cruise finally happened. Here is a link I found for part of the AA suite. It does sound a bit off in sections. Maybe a little obvious because it's not DT but I've heard great covers that sounded dead on. Overall it was pretty good. I'll bet it was an awesome cruise.
https://youtu.be/4sgzUl11LFQ
Already posted there :
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49211.175 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49211.175)
B.Lee
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So the cruise finally happened. Here is a link I found for part of the AA suite. It does sound a bit off in sections. Maybe a little obvious because it's not DT but I've heard great covers that sounded dead on. Overall it was pretty good. I'll bet it was an awesome cruise.
https://youtu.be/4sgzUl11LFQ
Already posted there :
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49211.175 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49211.175)
B.Lee
Ha Ha, I knew there was no way I was the first one to post this. Thank for pointing me to the right thread!
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So the cruise finally happened. Here is a link I found for part of the AA suite. It does sound a bit off in sections. Maybe a little obvious because it's not DT but I've heard great covers that sounded dead on. Overall it was pretty good. I'll bet it was an awesome cruise.
https://youtu.be/4sgzUl11LFQ
Already posted there :
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49211.175 (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49211.175)
B.Lee
Ha Ha, I knew there was no way I was the first one to post this. Thank for pointing me to the right thread!
No problem there, bro. It happens to me as well... :tup
B.Lee
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To avoid confusing duplication, check out the main thread for MP's Shattered Fortress here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49211.175