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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: YtseJamittaja on September 09, 2016, 12:56:27 AM
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Didn't see this anywhere yet? When is this song recorded? Even a little different version...
https://open.spotify.com/track/1XXyJv8B3tSmvCTCOL7tuX
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Sounds OK, but a little weird to hear the song being edited, the original already felt like it was too short, at least to me.
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There's a different mix i think on this, drums sound louder, especially the snare and the hi-hat?
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I really like this. I think she added a much needed feminine touch to the song. Insert LaBrie joke here.
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Insert LaBrie joke here.
I really like this. I think she added a much needed masculine touch to the song.
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Oh my god it's glorious. I've wanted to hear some of these songs with a female singer doing Faythe's parts but of all of the people to pick, they chose my favorite singer on the planet. This makes me so happy.
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That was really cool, when James and Lzzy sang the chorus together it sounded really powerful.
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I saw all your comments and got really excited. Had to check it out...
Highly disappointed. The mix sounded bad, her voice didn't match the style of the song, and it killed the extremely powerful energy of the track. The song sounded weak, which the original absolutely DOES NOT. Ultimately, I just thought that it didn't fit the song well, but could have VERY well with a full effort. Oh well, maybe next time...
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I really like this. I think she added a much needed feminine touch to the song. Insert LaBrie joke here.
If they do film this show for a dvd/blueray, I'd have no issue if they got female singer to do the female characters.
*Edit* DT just posted this to their Facebook page.
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Not a fan of her voice, so i´ll stick with the original.
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This is the frustrating part. I love Lzzy Hale as a vocalist. I'm a huge fan of Our New World (it's in my fave five regarding the Astonishing). When I saw the 3:24 track time and that it is less than the original, there are concerns. They immediately went from first chorus to Lzzy's part without setting up for it. Her parts in that verse sounded a bit messy as well. The chorus was good though. With how this sounds and how Lzzy's and JLB's voice sounds together, I'm getting this feeling it's one of those recordings, especially with the way Dream Theater and Halestorm tours a lot, where probably Lzzy heard the track by itself, did her part by herself and send it to management and they were like all right.
This reminds me when Alter Bridge had Cristina Scabbia of Lacuna Coil do vocals on Watch Over You and it felt like an edit and paste itself. Oh well. Disappointment is how I feel regarding this new version of Our New World. The radio edit time-length hurts as well.
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There's a different mix i think on this, drums sound louder, especially the snare and the hi-hat?
It sounds like a more raw drum mix, maybe it's not mastered. Dunno, but it is definitely different sounding.
I quite enjoyed the new vox, and liked having the more improvised vocal line and buildup, rather than the same throughout. Not sure her fast vibrato was the right fit with JLB though.
I agree the song really didn't need more editing. It was already short and sweet.
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Meh, not the voice I imagined for Faythe. Too raspy.
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Do I hear a bit more JM in this version?
Anyway, I don't like this version at all.. If they record something with other singers, they should do the whole thing (yes i said it :D ) and not just one part out of a concept piece and then MAKE IT SHORTER.. DT is not a mainstream band.
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WAIT A MINUTE!
It's Lzzy? Seriously? There's no I in her name? How have I never noticed this?
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There's no I in Team.
or Lzzy.
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Why would they edit the song? That's all I'm confused about.
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Why would they edit the song? That's all I'm confused about.
Yeah I'd agree with that. Cool idea to bring in the guest vocal, but don't edit the song down.
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I thought it was really cool. Kudos to DT for the idea, and kudos to Lizzy for doing it. :clap:
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This was pretty cool
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WAIT A MINUTE!
It's Lzzy? Seriously? There's no I in her name? How have I never noticed this?
Maybe she doesn't like her vowel movements.
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WAIT A MINUTE!
It's Lzzy? Seriously? There's no I in her name? How have I never noticed this?
Maybe she doesn't like her vowel movements.
You left me the opening for what I was coming here to say re: this new version: you can't polish a turd.
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::) Nor can you gild the lily.
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While it does feel a little short, I love the idea of giving different characters different voices, and those harmonies! I wanted to cry.
.... I wonder if this is leading up to an exclusive full cast version of the album? Hm? Thoughts
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I don't think they'll release another version of the album.
Unless this is the album that will freak everyone out that LaBrie was on about.
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Why would they edit the song? That's all I'm confused about.
Yeah I'd agree with that. Cool idea to bring in the guest vocal, but don't edit the song down.
This. Nice idea, but the edits kinda killed it for me.
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WAIT A MINUTE!
It's Lzzy? Seriously? There's no I in her name? How have I never noticed this?
Maybe it's the same reason that they edited the song shorter, Lzzy doesn't like unnecessary parts :D
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Now that I think about it. Do you guys suppose that this is a play for DT to release this version on active rock radio stations? They edited the track down to a radio-track time length. It's a pretty positive song that might catch listeners' ears. They got Lzzy Hale of Halestorm, a band that has their fair shares of top-charting rock radio singles.
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I really like that version. It would be interesting to hear more like this. I liked the mix too.
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Now that I think about it. Do you guys suppose that this is a play for DT to release this version on active rock radio stations? They edited the track down to a radio-track time length. It's a pretty positive song that might catch listeners' ears. They got Lzzy Hale of Halestorm, a band that has their fair shares of top-charting rock radio singles.
Whatever gets them attention.
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:tdwn The original is leaps and bounds better
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Now that I think about it. Do you guys suppose that this is a play for DT to release this version on active rock radio stations? They edited the track down to a radio-track time length. It's a pretty positive song that might catch listeners' ears. They got Lzzy Hale of Halestorm, a band that has their fair shares of top-charting rock radio singles.
If I'm not mistaken, it's also been released just in time for, and in a format eligible for, a potential Grammy nomination.
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I don't know... why they had to alter every vocal melody? Those were just fine the way James sang them.
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" The new version of ‘Our New World’ ft. Lzzy Hale of @Halestorm was added to Apple Music’s Best of the Week playlist. "
Hopefully some good exposure and a good radio hit / grammy win ! :D
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Never understood all the gushing love for this song in the first place, but Lzzy's vocals don't help it, IMO. I'll be the first to say that it's kinda weird having JL sing all the female vocals on the album, but this doesn't feel right either. Maybe it's just her vocals are too metal for what I envisioned from Faythe. Or maybe it's just cuz I'm not a big fan of the song to begin with.
As for it being shorter, the more I think about it, the more I imagine that they're shooting for a hit single and radio airplay. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest bit if they decide to bring Lzzy out on any or all future remaining legs of the tour to cover the female vocals.
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The album version exists and if this song gets the band some massive exposure and attention and increased fanbase then what do I care ?
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I feel like I'm the only one who thinks Lzzy's voice is great for Fayhte. I see Faythe as a rebellious character which Lzzy's powerful rock voice suits perfectly.
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I feel like I'm the only one who thinks Lzzy's voice is great for Fayhte. I see Faythe as a rebellious character which Lzzy's powerful rock voice suits perfectly.
I agree too.
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It was pretty cool. The editing kind of hurt it, and I wish they would have re-recorded James so it didn't sound like L(i)zzy going into a studio with the master recordings and just going over it.
Her vocals, however, were pretty cool. I get that they likely did this to increase potential airplay and popularity, but this seems like a very strange album to make that push on. It's not like people who like this version of it will be enticed by a 2 hour rock opera.
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Very jarring edit...
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HOLY SHAT!
One of my all-time favourite songs with one of my all-time favourite vocalist in a guest spot! Sweet!
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I don't know... why they had to alter every vocal melody? Those were just fine the way James sang them.
I prefer it this way. I honestly find the original not very exciting and a bit anti-climactic. But then I also really dig Lzzy's style, so I like her melodies on this.
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Very jarring edit...
Yeah when they skip the first solo entirely :|
Sounds so chopped.
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It was pretty cool. The editing kind of hurt it, and I wish they would have re-recorded James so it didn't sound like L(i)zzy going into a studio with the master recordings and just going over it.
Her vocals, however, were pretty cool. I get that they likely did this to increase potential airplay and popularity, but this seems like a very strange album to make that push on. It's not like people who like this version of it will be enticed by a 2 hour rock opera.
Maybe they'll do what Biffy did with Opposites and if the single is really popular - they'll put out a one disc edit of the album.
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Would this be the first guest vocalist since Doug Pinnick? I know Theresa Thomason did some vocals too.
I really like the idea. TA really lends itself to having guest vocalists. I think it would be fun. Maybe the edit wasn't so great and not having James redo his vocals with her, but I'm not stuck on that. Seems more like they are "testing the waters." I'm pretty sure there is a quite a few DT fans that are completely opposed to ANY guest vocals. So maybe they just want to see how this goes.
As for her performance, I thought it was good, and I'm very picky about vocals.
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I'm extremely fussy with Female vocals in particular. I find a LOT of them are more about " check out what I can do with my voice " than " check out this vocal melody ..
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Not bad even if a little too raspy for Faythe IMO. But the edit is very awkward IMO. As for female vocalists, there are few I like, Ann Wilson being one of those.
B.Lee
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If they were to rerecord the female-based vocals for the whole album I would prefer a less "rocker chick" type of vocalist, but for this (likely) one-off it was fine.
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Not bad even if a little too raspy for Faythe IMO. But the edit is very awkward IMO. As for female vocalists, there are few I like, Ann Wilson being one of those.
B.Lee
How do we know what's too raspy for Faythe, other than LaBrie's attempt to make her vocals sound feminine?
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Not bad even if a little too raspy for Faythe IMO. But the edit is very awkward IMO. As for female vocalists, there are few I like, Ann Wilson being one of those.
B.Lee
How do we know what's too raspy for Faythe, other than LaBrie's attempt to make her vocals sound feminine?
That's why I said IMO. And, honestly, if JLB sang her parts as he did, it's because he envisioned her as such. So...
B.Lee
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:tdwn The original is leaps and bounds better
Yep. The edits didn't help, but I wasn't a fan of that other singer's voice. All JLB, all the time, please. :coolio
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Not bad, but nothing I am going to go out of my way to listen to again. Not a song I would listen to outside the context of the album anyway.
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Thrilled about this collaboration. Seems like a great idea for both DT and Hale :tup
I really miss JP's first shorter solo more than I do the parts cut from the 2nd one. I find the first one far more enjoyable.
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Thrilled about this collaboration. Seems like a great idea for both DT and Hale :tup
I really miss JP's first shorter solo more than I do the parts cut from the 2nd one. I find the first one far more enjoyable.
And easier to learn ! :D
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Cool for DT to do, and I really like the idea... just don't think the execution was well done. The trimming of an already short song and that I don't think her voice is what I imagine Faithe sounding like. At. All. Sadly. Also, it sounds like a different mix, the drums sounds different. Why do all of these other changes and not just add her vocals? I will say that both her and JLB together did sound pretty awesome though.
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Just FYI, to explain why this sounds different:
A record has two separate stages, mixing and mastering. For this version of the song, they had to create a new mixed version to take out James's voice, and add Lzzy's.
I don't think they actually changed the mix otherwise, they just didn't master it afterwards (or only did a very cursory one).
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Not bad even if a little too raspy for Faythe IMO. But the edit is very awkward IMO. As for female vocalists, there are few I like, Ann Wilson being one of those.
B.Lee
How do we know what's too raspy for Faythe, other than LaBrie's attempt to make her vocals sound feminine?
That's why I said IMO. And, honestly, if JLB sang her parts as he did, it's because he envisioned her as such. So...
B.Lee
He sang it that way to make it clear she was a feminine voice. Doesn't James sing both smooth and raspy vocals?
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Not bad even if a little too raspy for Faythe IMO. But the edit is very awkward IMO. As for female vocalists, there are few I like, Ann Wilson being one of those.
B.Lee
How do we know what's too raspy for Faythe, other than LaBrie's attempt to make her vocals sound feminine?
That's why I said IMO. And, honestly, if JLB sang her parts as he did, it's because he envisioned her as such. So...
B.Lee
He sang it that way to make it clear she was a feminine voice. Doesn't James sing both smooth and raspy vocals?
You're right. Might be the picture we have of her that makes it hard for me to imagine her singing with a raspy voice.
B.Lee
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Maybe Faythe smokes like a fucking chimney.
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Maybe Faythe smokes like a fucking chimney.
For all we know, that may be the best explanation. :hat
B.Lee
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Maybe Faythe smokes like a fucking chimney.
It's not a guarantee that smoking like that makes your voice raspy.
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Maybe Faythe smokes like a fucking chimney.
It's not a guarantee that smoking like that makes your voice raspy.
Well Clearly it does for Faythe " 50 a day " Whatever her last name the fuck IS !!!!!!! :angry:
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Pls Lzzy Hle dsn't smk.
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Why do people hate edits so much? Isn't the whole point to make a song more digestible for people who aren't familiar with the band? Don't we want more success for Dream Theater?
We're the superfans, the nerds, the musicians, all that good stuff so I get that and we always have the actual version to party with. So what's wrong with trying to introduce DT to new people? It sucks to see people complaining about stuff like the mix, the levels, the edit, etc but that's us. A new listener won't be looking for stuff like that. I think we should embrace edits like this and take the opportunity to try and introduce new people rather than bash them.
Conspiracy theory suggests some people actually don't want DT to be successful and just keep them in their back pocket and can say "that's *my* band, back off!" and then would accuse them of "selling out" if they got too popular but I think that's a pretty selfish way to think.
How many of us have made mixtapes for others? Wouldn't that be considered an edit cuz you're picking and choosing what you think the listener will enjoy and represent the band fairly?
Personally, I love edits cuz if I like the song and then hear the 'real' version it's almost always more awesomer than the edit. I make my own fan edits for the car cuz driving with 8 minutes of ambient sounds taking up half of my drive time stinks.
TL;DR - Edits are a great way to introduce new people to music.
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Why do people hate edits so much? Isn't the whole point to make a song more digestible for people who aren't familiar with the band? Don't we want more success for Dream Theater?
We're the superfans, the nerds, the musicians, all that good stuff so I get that and we always have the actual version to party with. So what's wrong with trying to introduce DT to new people? It sucks to see people complaining about stuff like the mix, the levels, the edit, etc but that's us. A new listener won't be looking for stuff like that. I think we should embrace edits like this and take the opportunity to try and introduce new people rather than bash them.
Conspiracy theory suggests some people actually don't want DT to be successful and just keep them in their back pocket and can say "that's *my* band, back off!" and then would accuse them of "selling out" if they got too popular but I think that's a pretty selfish way to think.
How many of us have made mixtapes for others? Wouldn't that be considered an edit cuz you're picking and choosing what you think the listener will enjoy and represent the band fairly?
Personally, I love edits cuz if I like the song and then hear the 'real' version it's almost always more awesomer than the edit. I make my own fan edits for the car cuz driving with 8 minutes of ambient sounds taking up half of my drive time stinks.
TL;DR - Edits are a great way to introduce new people to music.
Normally, I'd totally agree with you. But as I pointed out, this is a very strange album to make that choice with.
"Woah hey, what's this 3 and a half minute song featuring Lzzy Hale? I love it! What's that? I should check out their new album? It's a 2 hour rock opera about a dystopia where a jesus metaphor tries to use his voice to free his people from tyranny? And lzzy Hale isn't on the actual album? That sounds right up my ally!"
I just don't see it playing out that way.
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Why do people hate edits so much? Isn't the whole point to make a song more digestible for people who aren't familiar with the band?
If people can't spend 8 minutes to listen to Pull Me Under/Metropolis/etc... they 1) need to free up their schedule a bit and 2) probably aren't the target audience of DT. We aren't telling them "Hey, check out this version of the Messiah by Handel, you might like it."
The song is the song as written, recorded and released, I take it as such and don't care to monkey around with any edits. Same reason I don't pick up Reader's Digest to read a novel, or watch a TV/Airplane cut of a feature film.
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Why do people hate edits so much? Isn't the whole point to make a song more digestible for people who aren't familiar with the band?
If people can't spend 8 minutes to listen to Pull Me Under/Metropolis/etc... they 1) need to free up their schedule a bit and 2) probably aren't the target audience of DT. We aren't telling them "Hey, check out this version of the Messiah by Handel, you might like it."
The song is the song as written, recorded and released, I take it as such and don't care to monkey around with any edits. Same reason I don't pick up Reader's Digest to read a novel, or watch a TV/Airplane cut of a feature film.
Yeah but that's you man, not that your experience is probably an anomaly - I'm sure there's tons of people out there that fit that criteria. I don't like the edit personally, I enjoyed hearing a new singer with JLB - but I too, pictured Faythe as, well, something else. But yeah, even if it's silly - I get why they did it. You never know who might bite because 'oh it's 5 seconds shorter' people's attention spans are ass.
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@Adam & Chris
I hear you guys and I talked about that in my post. WE are the superfans that "get it" already with Dream Theater. What I'm saying is that making a simple edit that others can get a taste for is a great thing to do. Taking a guitar solo from 35 seconds down to 20 or an intro from 16 repeating measures down to 8 doesn't hurt anything to a new listener. If a new fan likes the vocal or the guitar/keyboard work in an edit then they'll probably love that there's more of it in the full version.
But people just seem to rag on edits cuz they personally don't like them without looking at the bigger picture. We still have the original version and always will, but let's try and get the music out there for more people to enjoy, isn't that what it's all about? We want our favourite bands to be successful and have long careers, right? For that to happen they need to be able to make a living doing it and this is just another way to try and make that happen.
I agree with the whole "checked out the song and liked it and then found out it's a 2-hour rock opera wtf" point, though, but what's the alternative? Not releasing anything at all cuz it's not representative of the piece as a whole?
I was turned on to Halestorm by Lzzy's guest spot on Adrenaline Mob's cover of "Come Undone" and haven't looked back. It's also not just about the edit, it's about the guest vocal. I probably never would have discovered Halestorm if it weren't for her guest vocal and so there you go, a new Halestorm fan here based just on a small vocal spot in the chorus, not even a verse with room to breathe.
TL;DR - Let's be positive about trying to get Dream Theater into the hands of new fans. We always rip on the popular music industry for being stupid and fluffy so when a small collaboration like this happens let's support it.
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I'm not negative about it. I just think it was a silly way to get new fans. I want them to have all the fans. I just can't see bringing in much.
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Me too...
It's just the song would've worked fine as is...
But...I just now realized. It's mainly to showcase Lzzy's vocals as its main factor.
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I agree with Petfish...again. I rather enjoyed it.
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I liked it. I really like her voice and it definitely adds something to the song. It was always a good song, but could be a bit repetitive - she gives it more dynamic.
That being said I think I would have liked it more if I hadn't heard the original version. I actually think the snipping was well done, but I can't help but hear the original solos...so it's jarring to me. I found the radio edits for PMU and Misunderstood much more enjoyable, because they were my first introduction to the song (imagine my joy when I discovered the extra parts on the album! - well except the extended backwards guitar solo - but that's a subject for another thread another day)
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Why do people hate edits so much? Isn't the whole point to make a song more digestible for people who aren't familiar with the band? Don't we want more success for Dream Theater?
TL;DR - Edits are a great way to introduce new people to music.
Some edits aren't bad, but every Dream Theater song edit is choppy and beyond amateurish.
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I agree with the comments about the edit being a bit jarring. But I only just heard it for the first time this morning after having read the thread all the way through up to this point, so I was prepared going in. And despite that jarring feeling from knowing what was supposed to be in certain parts and not having those be there, I thought it was actually a pretty good edit. The solo, for example, despite having some really cool parts removed, still had enough of its structure and highlights that it felt very true to the original. All in all, I liked it.
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I'm curious about why they did this, I mean, I do like the version. They could have just kept the song as a whole, I don't think editing it was needed, but I just don't understand the point and why they did this. Like I said though, I do like the vocals indeed!
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I love the song but this version is pointless. It sounds like Lizzy Hale heard the song once and took a shot at it. Plus the song itself is barely 4 minutes so the edit is unnecessary. Hearing this once was enough for me.
On the other hand, if it gets people to check out DT then it's a win.
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It's a win whatever.
If it gets the bank more exposure - good.
If DT fans don't like this version - the album version still exists :dunno: - good.
It kinda reminds me of when a band would release an album track as a single but they'd completely re-record it.
then you'd have two versions of the song.
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Yeah, there is no downside to this.
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I prefer the girl in Chego's band from the other thread.
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It's a win whatever.
If it gets the bank more exposure - good.
If DT fans don't like this version - the album version still exists :dunno: - good.
It kinda reminds me of when a band would release an album track as a single but they'd completely re-record it.
then you'd have two versions of the song.
dont you hate the album though?
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dont you hate the album though?
IIRC Kotow loved TA.
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:lolpalm: When have I ever said I hated The Astonishing ?
I don't think I even *hate* any DT album. I'm not keen on the snare sound on DT12 but that's about it ?
The only DT album I find really over rated is Awake...
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I prefer the girl in Chego's band from the other thread.
I concur. She was something else.
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I'm curious about why they did this, I mean, I do like the version. They could have just kept the song as a whole, I don't think editing it was needed, but I just don't understand the point and why they did this. Like I said though, I do like the vocals indeed!
Edits are a great way to take longer/complex songs and making them easier to check out for potential fans. It's a pretty basic concept that's been around forever.
We only notice it cuz we know the music, but imagine someone who's never heard Dream Theater before and they hear this for the first time and think it's amazing. Then they check out the real track and it's even better (usually). We superfans need to step out of ourselves for a moment and try and see what it's like for new listeners.
That's the point of any edit and that's why they did this... to expose their music to new fans. It's a great thing.
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I'm curious about why they did this, I mean, I do like the version. They could have just kept the song as a whole, I don't think editing it was needed, but I just don't understand the point and why they did this. Like I said though, I do like the vocals indeed!
I'm hoping it's a tease indicating that when they film this for a dvd/bluray where's that announcement), James will not be singing the female parts.
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I really hope this gets airplay on all the Rock stations in the U.S. I bet it would be a hit! It is short enough for a good radio edit, and James and Lzzy's vocals really compliment each other. I love it!
It would be a crime for it not to get airplay..
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I actually think Dream Theater and Halestorm would make a cool co-headline tour, at least here in the states. They could share the stage together for the encore kind of like the DT/Queensryche tour.
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They could share the stage together for the encore kind of like the DT/Queensryche tour.
I always thought that was kinda corny.
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I'm curious about why they did this, I mean, I do like the version. They could have just kept the song as a whole, I don't think editing it was needed, but I just don't understand the point and why they did this. Like I said though, I do like the vocals indeed!
We only notice it cuz we know the music, but imagine someone who's never heard Dream Theater before and they hear this for the first time and think it's amazing. Then they check out the real track and it's even better (usually). We superfans need to step out of ourselves for a moment and try and see what it's like for new listeners.
Yes, but normally edits aren't this choppy. I know it's harder because Dream Theater songs are just harder to edit than other bands, but I'd imagine if I'd just discovered this edit I loved it, and bought it and listened to it with headphones, I'd noticed it was edited pretty quick. Once you really pay attention to the music, it shouldn't be hard. I'm referring mainly to the cut at the second verse. The other cuts sound alright, but this one is horrible. I tried to do it myself, and it just can't be done. Too much instrument bleeding. It would have been better to just leave the little solo. It's nice and happy, and shouldn't challenge anyone's attention spans.
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I don't find this edit any choppier than the video versions of PMU, TTT or Constant Motion. I'm not a fan of edited versions in general, but if the band gets more airplay as a result, more power to them. It's not like the album version has suddenly ceased to exist and you can never listen to it anymore. :P
As for Lzzy's vocals, I haven't heard much Halestorm so I didn't expect such rock-y singing. I like her voice though, and the choruses sound pretty epic. However, I wish they'd re-recorded James' vocals or at least remixed the song so her voice would sit better in the mix.
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I don't find this edit any choppier than the video versions of PMU, TTT or Constant Motion. I'm not a fan of edited versions in general, but if the band gets more airplay as a result, more power to them. It's not like the album version has suddenly ceased to exist and you can never listen to it anymore. :P
Don't forget Home. That was really bad.
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I'm curious about why they did this, I mean, I do like the version. They could have just kept the song as a whole, I don't think editing it was needed, but I just don't understand the point and why they did this. Like I said though, I do like the vocals indeed!
Edits are a great way to take longer/complex songs and making them easier to check out for potential fans. It's a pretty basic concept that's been around forever.
We only notice it cuz we know the music, but imagine someone who's never heard Dream Theater before and they hear this for the first time and think it's amazing. Then they check out the real track and it's even better (usually). We superfans need to step out of ourselves for a moment and try and see what it's like for new listeners.
That's the point of any edit and that's why they did this... to expose their music to new fans. It's a great thing.
Yes, I know what editing is, I'm a composer myself. I probably worded it with confusion. My point about the editing was that it is only a 4 minute piece to begin with so it wasn't really that necessary. I was questioning the thought process of making a second version. I wasn't being critical, just curious. I quite like this version and I do see the exposure angle.
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I really like it! Made me revisit TA again and I still really like the album. But I don't think Hale fits the role of Faythe. But as a standalone rocker about reforming the world, this version works well.
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Glad to see DT moving outside the box and trying something new.
She is a good vocalist, but seems too metal for the Faythe we got to know on the album and accompanying art work. In my mind, I was picturing an Amy Lee type voice for her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rTofvb1xkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rTofvb1xkk)
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I saw all your comments and got really excited. Had to check it out...
Highly disappointed. The mix sounded bad, her voice didn't match the style of the song, and it killed the extremely powerful energy of the track. The song sounded weak, which the original absolutely DOES NOT. Ultimately, I just thought that it didn't fit the song well, but could have VERY well with a full effort. Oh well, maybe next time...
Agreed. Honestly James sounds way better on it IMO. And the fact that it's shortened is definitely not cool either...
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So...
Lzzy Hale will be performing Our New World with DT on a Califas date.
Just posted on their Facebook.
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So...
Lzzy Hale will be performing Our New World with DT on a Califas date.
Just posted on their Facebook.
I'm assuming you mean California.
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So...
Lzzy Hale will be performing Our New World with DT on a Califas date.
Just posted on their Facebook.
I'm assuming you mean California.
Yeah. It's the Anaheim show.
Pretty interesting
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Sweet!
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See, that's something to make sure I get a bootleg of.
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Wicked! Seeing Dream Theater is always a pleasure by itself, if it had happened to me I'd be over the moon to have another singer I like sharing the stage with James! :tup
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Nice! I love how they are spicing up the end of this tour :metal
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Awesome!!!!!
I love Lzzy and love the bite-sized edit that some people I'm trying to convert are really digging also. Hopefully this will be a sign of things to come with a full cast of characters. Maybe it's even a test to see how it works in a live situation before they go all-in.
However, it makes me so sad to see the stupid replies and comments from people (not here, on Facebook). Totally rude and uncalled for in every sense. It's one thing to say "meh, I don't really like her voice", and that's ok, but to take it beyond that and rip into her, DT, and management and then onto the radio edit, sound production, and catering guy is just so immature and ridiculous.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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However, it makes me so sad to see the stupid replies and comments from people (not here, on Facebook). Totally rude and uncalled for in every sense. It's one thing to say "meh, I don't really like her voice", and that's ok, but to take it beyond that and rip into her, DT, and management and then onto the radio edit, sound production, and catering guy is just so immature and ridiculous.
Sigh..... that is to be expected with stuff like Facebook/Youtube comments, sadly. I, for one, am pumped about it and if I had the money that I am willing to spend on this, I would go to this show, especially since it's like 20 minutes from where I am.
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Do you think this will be documented for a DVD? I'm pretty sure we'll get a live album from this tour, but will it be just the Astonishing, or from the next leg where they'll play older tunes as well?
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Do you think this will be documented for a DVD? I'm pretty sure we'll get a live album from this tour, but will it be just the Astonishing, or from the next leg where they'll play older tunes as well?
I really feel like this is a test to see how it goes and if it's positive they've already got things lined up for a filmed release before this tour ends and if it fails then it fails. But, if they don't do multiple vocalists now I don't see it happening for at least 5 years if it happens at all.
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Nice! I love how they are spicing up the end of this tour :metal
Do you think it's because of the ticket sales and they're trying to get more people to the venues?
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Nice! I love how they are spicing up the end of this tour :metal
Do you think it's because of the ticket sales and they're trying to get more people to the venues?
I mean, maybe at the Anaheim show, but doubt it would work anywhere else.
It's cool they're doing this. I kind of wish they didn't announce it though. Would have been pretty awesome for the audience to just have her walk on stage as a surprise.
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Nice! I love how they are spicing up the end of this tour :metal
Do you think it's because of the ticket sales and they're trying to get more people to the venues?
I mean, maybe at the Anaheim show, but doubt it would work anywhere else.
It's cool they're doing this. I kind of wish they didn't announce it though. Would have been pretty awesome for the audience to just have her walk on stage as a surprise.
Besides the Lizzy Hale appearance, they're adding classics to the setlist at other shows, no?
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Nice! I love how they are spicing up the end of this tour :metal
Do you think it's because of the ticket sales and they're trying to get more people to the venues?
I mean, maybe at the Anaheim show, but doubt it would work anywhere else.
It's cool they're doing this. I kind of wish they didn't announce it though. Would have been pretty awesome for the audience to just have her walk on stage as a surprise.
Besides the Lizzy Hale appearance, they're adding classics to the setlist at other shows, no?
Ah that, I mean maybe. I've read they're cutting 3 songs from TA to fit them in though. And the 3 songs they added are ones that have been played live a whole lot, so I don't know exactly how many people are buying tickets just because of the three non-TA songs.
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Nice! I love how they are spicing up the end of this tour :metal
Do you think it's because of the ticket sales and they're trying to get more people to the venues?
I mean, maybe at the Anaheim show, but doubt it would work anywhere else.
It's cool they're doing this. I kind of wish they didn't announce it though. Would have been pretty awesome for the audience to just have her walk on stage as a surprise.
Besides the Lizzy Hale appearance, they're adding classics to the setlist at other shows, no?
Ah that, I mean maybe. I've read they're cutting 3 songs from TA to fit them in though. And the 3 songs they added are ones that have been played live a whole lot, so I don't know exactly how many people are buying tickets just because of the three non-TA songs.
I'm sure it's not a huge amount but I think it's more of an appeal to those who didn't want to see TA in it's entirety again. Then again, most Dream Theater fans don't pick apart every last detail like some do on the forum. :lol
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I mean, if fans are really excited about 3 non TA songs, two of which are almost always played anyway, then that's awesome.
I'm not sure if you're implying that those of us who aren't excited are just picking apart everything to death.
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That's not what I'm implying. I was referring to TA being played in its entirety again.
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Love Lzzy Hale's vocal timbre and style. Love most of Halestorm. Loved her voice added to Adrenaline Mob's Come Undone.
So when I saw this offered a few months ago, I was giddy with excitement. The person that said she seemed to listen to this once and give it a shot is closest to my feeling on how this turned out. To be honest, JLB's take was great. Lzzy's take was still very good. But put them together and I really wish there was a producer there to chime in with "Sounded great. Maybe one more take where you keep your style, but try to concentrate on the fact that this is a duet so we need to get the parts meshing together just a bit more."
She's hitting syllables and rhythms vastly different than JLB. The pull and push of her "character" is out of line with JLB's more straightforward approach. Actually, the only reason that the problem is with Lzzy is because we know she recorded after JLB. It might not have been a horrible idea to have JLB sing to Lzzy instead of trying to get Lzzy to complement JLB.
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I really wish they'll release a live video of the song with her. Like a stand alone at least.
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And the only video I found was this one : https://www.instagram.com/p/BM5rszDBCQ_/ By mere chance, I stumbled upon this short video.
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For those of us (me included) complaining about the shorter, edited version of the song with Lzzy. Someone made a full version of the song and uploaded it :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NkmFekjEQw
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For those of us (me included) complaining about the shorter, edited version of the song with Lzzy. Someone made a full version of the song and uploaded it :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NkmFekjEQw
Most excellent.
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It should be against the law to cut a DT song like that, specially during a JP solo :tdwn
Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but, if they ever bring another guest singer for another TA song or a song from a future album, I would love to see them work with Anneke Van Giersbergen. She's good friends with James and her voice is AMAZING. What do you think?
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It should be against the law to cut a DT song like that, specially during a JP solo :tdwn
Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but, if they ever bring another guest singer for another TA song or a song from a future album, I would love to see them work with Anneke Van Giersbergen. She's good friends with James and her voice is AMAZING. What do you think?
Holy shit yes. She has an incredible voice, it would be amazing.
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I just checked her out, slightly fearing that she was going to be another "rock belter" like Lzzy. I'm pleasantly surprised I must say, Anneke has a nice voice.
In general I feel, if they were to have extra singers (I don't think they will, but just for the sake of argument), it should be understated character singers. That is, singers who shine through their voice alone, not volume or metal raunchiness. The Lzzy Hale version wasn't bad, but in a lot of ways she is just a female version of James in the song. That other song with the female singer (forgot the name, the fan version) is so much better because it's the character of the voice that adds to the narrative.
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It should be against the law to cut a DT song like that, specially during a JP solo :tdwn
Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but, if they ever bring another guest singer for another TA song or a song from a future album, I would love to see them work with Anneke Van Giersbergen. She's good friends with James and her voice is AMAZING. What do you think?
I love that idea! Anneke is one of my favourite singers. She and James were great on stage together in the Theater Equation. Her voice is indeed amazing and also very versatile, she can sound powerful, soft, sweet, fragile... everything.
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Holy shit yes. She has an incredible voice, it would be amazing.
I love that idea! Anneke is one of my favourite singers. She and James were great on stage together in the Theater Equation. Her voice is indeed amazing and also very versatile, she can sound powerful, soft, sweet, fragile... everything.
Great to see so much love for Anneke! I got very excited when she was touring with James for TTE and they even posted a pic together, I was hoping they were teasing guest vocals from Anneke on the new DT album (this was at the time they were in the estudio recording TA and we didn't have any info on it yet), but oviously TA was released with only James doing all the vocals. I hope they approach her for the next album. She has worked with many great prog bands and projects in the past, and seems to be a very nice person, so she would definitely be on board with the idea :D
I just checked her out, slightly fearing that she was going to be another "rock belter" like Lzzy. I'm pleasantly surprised I must say, Anneke has a nice voice.
In general I feel, if they were to have extra singers (I don't think they will, but just for the sake of argument), it should be understated character singers. That is, singers who shine through their voice alone, not volume or metal raunchiness. The Lzzy Hale version wasn't bad, but in a lot of ways she is just a female version of James in the song. That other song with the female singer (forgot the name, the fan version) is so much better because it's the character of the voice that adds to the narrative.
I agree. Lzzy's voice is good, but she's just a "powerful rock/metal voice". Anneke's voice is much more versatile, you should check some her bands/projects. The Gentle Storm (with Arjen Lucassen) is a very recent album that has all vocals by her and has some very good songs in it.
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Anneke!
My general musical philosophy is that anything plus Anneke equals better product. I don't think she would be great in DT however, since I feel like they'd under-use her, the same way they've under-used most other solo musical guests (rare as they are).
But live? Hell yes.
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Anneke!
My general musical philosophy is that anything plus Anneke equals better product. I don't think she would be great in DT however, since I feel like they'd under-use her, the same way they've under-used most other solo musical guests (rare as they are).
But live? Hell yes.
They even under-use some of their own members (MM and JM anyone?), but we are allowed to dream, aren't we? ;D
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Anneke!
My general musical philosophy is that anything plus Anneke equals better product. I don't think she would be great in DT however, since I feel like they'd under-use her, the same way they've under-used most other solo musical guests (rare as they are).
But live? Hell yes.
They even under-use some of their own members (MM and JM anyone?), but we are allowed to dream, aren't we? ;D
Honestly, if they wrote like a really nice ballad with a good 50/50 or 60/40 split of vocals between James and Anneke, I'd be a happy guy.
Oh god I love Anneke so much.
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Anneke!
My general musical philosophy is that anything plus Anneke equals better product. I don't think she would be great in DT however, since I feel like they'd under-use her, the same way they've under-used most other solo musical guests (rare as they are).
But live? Hell yes.
A million times this
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Anneke!
My general musical philosophy is that anything plus Anneke equals better product. I don't think she would be great in DT however, since I feel like they'd under-use her, the same way they've under-used most other solo musical guests (rare as they are).
But live? Hell yes.
A million times this
This just turned into the Anneke appreciation thread :lol I love it
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I like Anneke's voice a lot and enjoy her work with Devin Townsend. But I don't want her singing with DT. I think James killed it on TA and the album would have lost something with a guest singer. Plus it seems pretty typical these days for bands to get a guest female singer.
For my tastes, leave it to just the members of DT on the album's except the occasional guest musician as they've done in the past.
I didn't care for the Lzzy Hale version of Our New World, but did like how James changed up his vocals live to sing her part.
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+1 for Anneke :metal she's amazing