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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Kotowboy on August 29, 2016, 10:34:52 AM
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Not sure if already posted.
Part 1 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HSOba4cERE
Part 2 (Faythe's Theme) is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgl6gssyWw
Part 3 ( The Musical Themes ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hBWgTps_ug
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Pretty neat. Can't wait for the other episodes and themes.
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Good video but my favourite thing is a room mic in an echoey room.
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Good video but my favourite thing is a room mic in an echoey room.
Agreed ???
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Good video but my favourite thing is a room mic in an echoey room.
I don't know, maybe because it's the same mic that captured the sound of keybord and guitar? When they played, the sound was big. Anyway, very cool video! It seems almost like the way they demoed the songs.
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The very first opening shot is of the Arcimboldi theatre in Milan where I saw them, yay! :biggrin:
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Cool. I love this kind of thing. Even though some of the musical explanation is a bit too deep for me, it's still pretty informative.
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Yes. I did a music degree and I had to look up what parallel thirds meant.
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Besides it being recorded with a room mic, it was a very enjoyable video. I can't wait for the other episodes. This was a nice surprise to see on a Monday.
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Is he talking to DTF at this timestamp?
https://youtu.be/1HSOba4cERE?t=6m5s (https://youtu.be/1HSOba4cERE?t=6m5s)
:lol
Pretty cool video, I think I would enjoy it a whole lot more if it was more "professionally done" if you can say, as in better mic and the music they are playing was a bit more clear. This would have great potential for bonus material on an official video release, but feels like they just set up a tripod and did it (which is cool and all, just feel like there is so much more potential to this given how awesome the recurring themes are).
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Pretty neat. Can't wait for the other episodes and themes.
Yes, very cool!
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Awesome idea. Crappy audio.
They could've put a decent mic or something lol.
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TA is a Petrucci-Rudess album more than a DT album but I'm ok with that.
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TA is a Petrucci-Rudess album more than a DT album but I'm ok with that.
Actually, it isn't.
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TA is a Petrucci-Rudess album more than a DT album but I'm ok with that.
Actually, it isn't.
It's what DT has been for a while.
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Really cool video, looking forward to more episodes!
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Really cool thing for the guys to do, will enjoy watching these. Almost starting to feel guilty about how little I care for the album, given how much JP and JR do care for it.
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TA is a Petrucci-Rudess album more than a DT album but I'm ok with that.
Actually, it isn't.
All songs on TA are Petrucci-Rudess.
On ADTOE and Dt12, Rudess, Petrucci, JLB and Myong wrote the songs, together or 3 or 2 of them.
So.....
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They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
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Cool. I love this kind of thing. Even though some of the musical explanation is a bit too deep for me, it's still pretty informative.
I agree - would like to see them do this sort of thing for other songs/albums once they've completed the series on TA. I think it will help us fans, and especially those critical (of which I can be one at times) of their music to better understand why things are the way they are.
Cheers for them doing this. But yeah, if they could have specific mics they speak into, it would definitely make the videos that much easier to understand.
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Cool video. Makes me wish for an instrumental version of the album
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Cool video. Makes me wish for an instrumental version of the album
You know, it's weird...didn't the last two albums both have an instrumental deluxe or special edition?
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BCSL had instrumental tracks as well as stems. And I think there were select stems for a couple of songs from ADTOE. I don't think there were either instrumental tracks or stems for DT12.
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They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
Yep.
And it's laughable to call it a Petrucci-Rudess album when you consider how vocal-heavy it is.
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I think the box set of ADToE also had instrumental versions of every track too - I don't have it, but I'm sure someone else can confirm or deny.
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Cool video. Makes me wish for an instrumental version of the album
You know, it's weird...didn't the last two albums both have an instrumental deluxe or special edition?
My guess is an album of this length, adding the extras might be too much.
For me, I'm not a big fan of the instruments only, but I see the appeal and honestly, see the appeal more with this album given the themes. Maybe they release the instrumentals online in some form at some point.
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BCSL had instrumental tracks as well as stems. And I think there were select stems for a couple of songs from ADTOE. I don't think there were either instrumental tracks or stems for DT12.
There were stems for Behind the Veil.
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^Right, I had forgotten about that.
Scotty, I don't think there was a version of the ADTOE box set that had instrumental tracks. This is what I found, and I think this was the most complete version, unless I am misremembering: https://www.dreamtheater.net/news/pre-order-dream-theaters-limited-deluxe-collectors-edition-box-set-now-40831
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^Right, I had forgotten about that.
Scotty, I don't think there was a version of the ADTOE box set that had instrumental tracks. This is what I found, and I think this was the most complete version, unless I am misremembering: https://www.dreamtheater.net/news/pre-order-dream-theaters-limited-deluxe-collectors-edition-box-set-now-40831
It says "instrumental version of the entire album." In the description.
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They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
So you know how much was the participation of Myong and JLB on ADTOE and DT12? No you don't. They might have a big part in it as well as the lyrics.
On TA, it says no credit to anyone but Jordan and Petrucci. So I kind of believe what they write as credits on their album sleeves as for who create the music and lyrics. They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
Yep.
And it's laughable to call it a Petrucci-Rudess album when you consider how vocal-heavy it is.
Laugh as much as you want, JLB sings but hasn't write the music or the lyrics as far as I can see.
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Who cares?
Since you're a Rush fan, by your rationale, every Rush instrumental is a Lee/Lifeson piece, right? La Villa Strangiato has some of the most awesome drumming ever, but oops, it's just a Lee/Lifeson piece.
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I mean, I really liked TA - although musically speaking, I think it did suffer because they wanted to tell a story. I felt like Arjen's album The Theory of Everything had some similar problems. Although both were stellar, after their first listen through - a lot of the experience of it died off and became less interesting, to me. So out of like 40 something songs (for TA) I only ended up regularly putting on probably 9 or so songs consistently, and beyond that maybe 12 or so if I'm in the mood for certain others.
Now that's pretty good, but whereas I really didn't like D12 much after the initial romance; it's disappointing how much potential I think there was in TA. IMO, if DT had spent 1 - 3 more months polishing it, it could have been really great. I am super excited about the live DVD though, I really want to see it as soon as possible.
Anyway, ignoring that spiel, if TA is anything it's a LaBrie / Petrucci / Rudess album. Not sure how you could exclude LaBrie given how much he is on / puts into the album, and I think it will be even more pronounced when the live version is filmed.
Can I also say that I loved James's Nafaryus style vocals? If we could have more Nafaryus / Victoria (SFAM) / BC and SL cover type vocals, man that would put me in a happy fucking spot.
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Who cares?
Since you're a Rush fan, by your rationale, every Rush instrumental is a Lee/Lifeson piece, right? La Villa Strangiato has some of the most awesome drumming ever, but oops, it's just a Lee/Lifeson piece.
:facepalm: God, Ringo wrote all the Beatles songs. You really don't have a clue of what credits to writers are. Filling the songs with you drum beat is not writing the song. But you know that, you are just playing with the words. If it makes you happy.
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^Right, I had forgotten about that.
Scotty, I don't think there was a version of the ADTOE box set that had instrumental tracks. This is what I found, and I think this was the most complete version, unless I am misremembering: https://www.dreamtheater.net/news/pre-order-dream-theaters-limited-deluxe-collectors-edition-box-set-now-40831
It says "instrumental version of the entire album." In the description.
Yup, I see it now. Missed it.
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Who cares?
Since you're a Rush fan, by your rationale, every Rush instrumental is a Lee/Lifeson piece, right? La Villa Strangiato has some of the most awesome drumming ever, but oops, it's just a Lee/Lifeson piece.
:facepalm: God, Ringo wrote all the Beatles songs. You really don't have a clue of what credits to writers are. Filling the songs with you drum beat is not writing the song. But you know that, you are just playing with the words. If it makes you happy.
And you really are a troll. Stop insulting people who know more than you and you might actually learn something. Yes, he DOES now what he is talking about, because the band has actually said so. That is why people are telling you that you are wrong. If you keep picking fights with people on this forum, you will not be welcome to post here. This is your last warning.
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Who cares?
Since you're a Rush fan, by your rationale, every Rush instrumental is a Lee/Lifeson piece, right? La Villa Strangiato has some of the most awesome drumming ever, but oops, it's just a Lee/Lifeson piece.
:facepalm: God, Ringo wrote all the Beatles songs. You really don't have a clue of what credits to writers are. Filling the songs with you drum beat is not writing the song. But you know that, you are just playing with the words. If it makes you happy.
And you really are a troll. Stop insulting people who know more than you and you might actually learn something. Yes, he DOES now what he is talking about, because the band has actually said so. That is why people are telling you that you are wrong. If you keep picking fights with people on this forum, you will not be welcome to post here. This is your last warning.
What? I can't believe your reaction. I go with the info I have on the sleeves and he comes back with a foolish example. When people have a good point against what you think, you act like a dictator. Ban me, my example was clear and darn simple Boss.
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I agree, I May have pushed it months ago a bit but have been very respecfull since then and have tried to be coming with example more than just words. Instead of losing it and calling me a troll, I would have taken notice of it if you or the other guy would have given me that information. I'm not an expert of the band, been listening to DT since 2009.
Chill!!!
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There's actually a valid discussion in there. I really consider this a JR/JP/JLB album. Yes JLB didn't write anything, but he put a voice to the work and clearly did more than simply sing the songs.
Myung and Mangini, however, I hate to say it but I barely notice they're on the album. I know there are bass and drums on the album, but theoretically it could've been anyone playing those parts. There isn't really any personality in the playing. I know JP and JR have been the primary writing forces since JR joined, but I think The Astonishing went even further with that.
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There's actually a valid discussion in there. I really consider this a JR/JP/JLB album. Yes JLB didn't write anything, but he put a voice to the work and clearly did more than simply sing the songs.
Myung and Mangini, however, I hate to say it but I barely notice they're on the album. I know there are bass and drums on the album, but theoretically it could've been anyone playing those parts. There isn't really any personality in the playing. I know JP and JR have been the primary writing forces since JR joined, but I think The Astonishing went even further with that.
Voila, I agree with that. jLB puts the tone, the emotion. But I have always thought that the music and the lyrics were written by JR and Petrucci. Sorry for being such a troll???
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They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
Yeah, like since JR is in the band.. :lol
There's actually a valid discussion in there. I really consider this a JR/JP/JLB album. Yes JLB didn't write anything, but he put a voice to the work and clearly did more than simply sing the songs.
Myung and Mangini, however, I hate to say it but I barely notice they're on the album. I know there are bass and drums on the album, but theoretically it could've been anyone playing those parts. There isn't really any personality in the playing. I know JP and JR have been the primary writing forces since JR joined, but I think The Astonishing went even further with that.
I partially agree with this.. I mean, I think JM and MM's playing it does add a lot to the whole work.. Especially Mangini I must admit.. Sections like the verses of The Walking Shadow, e.g., those ghost notes! :chill
About the discussion, I think this sentence sums up all:
you are just playing with the words.
I think both of you -KevShmev and red barchetta- are right, and could even agree each other.. It's just a matter of semantic..
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They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
Yeah, like since JR is in the band.. :lol
There's actually a valid discussion in there. I really consider this a JR/JP/JLB album. Yes JLB didn't write anything, but he put a voice to the work and clearly did more than simply sing the songs.
Myung and Mangini, however, I hate to say it but I barely notice they're on the album. I know there are bass and drums on the album, but theoretically it could've been anyone playing those parts. There isn't really any personality in the playing. I know JP and JR have been the primary writing forces since JR joined, but I think The Astonishing went even further with that.
I partially agree with this.. I mean, I think JM and MM's playing it does add a lot to the whole work.. Especially Mangini I must admit.. Sections like the verses of The Walking Shadow, e.g., those ghost notes! :chill
About the discussion, I think this sentence sums up all:
you are just playing with the words.
I think both of you -KevShmev and red barchetta- are right, and could even agree each other.. It's just a matter of semantic..
Very true, you have a neutral opinion, Thank you!
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I have noticed that people start their messages with being sorry and apologies when saying something that might upset the TA lovers.
I think I have been very respecful in my own way.
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I agree, I May have pushed it months ago a bit but have been very respecfull since then and have tried to be coming with example more than just words. Instead of losing it and calling me a troll, I would have taken notice of it if you or the other guy would have given me that information. I'm not an expert of the band, been listening to DT since 2009.
Chill!!!
Telling a moderator who is giving you verifiable facts that he can laugh all he wants, and calling another user "foolish" are far from respectful. As I said, continuing to insult and bait other users will get you banned. Either figure out how to post respectfully, or you will be shown the door.
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.....(ready for part 2)
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Yeah, I wonder how far apart they'll be. Part of me hopes we will get another one soon. Part of me hopes they will space them out a bit.
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Yeah, I wonder how far apart they'll be. Part of me hopes we will get another one soon. Part of me hopes they will space them out a bit.
Once a week is good for me.
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Are you guys talking about TA 2 right now, or did I lose track of the conversation?
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Part two of the video linked in the OP. Took me a sec to work it out.
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I agree, I May have pushed it months ago a bit but have been very respecfull since then and have tried to be coming with example more than just words. Instead of losing it and calling me a troll, I would have taken notice of it if you or the other guy would have given me that information. I'm not an expert of the band, been listening to DT since 2009.
Chill!!!
Telling a moderator who is giving you verifiable facts that he can laugh all he wants, and calling another user "foolish" are far from respectful. As I said, continuing to insult and bait other users will get you banned. Either figure out how to post respectfully, or you will be shown the door.
Hehehehe.... :corn
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Are you guys talking about TA 2 right now, or did I lose track of the conversation?
I'm ready for it be released now. Haha, sorry for the confusion.
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They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
So you know how much was the participation of Myong and JLB on ADTOE and DT12? No you don't. They might have a big part in it as well as the lyrics.
On TA, it says no credit to anyone but Jordan and Petrucci. So I kind of believe what they write as credits on their album sleeves as for who create the music and lyrics.
Yes, and in multiple interviews Rudess has said that the credits on this album finally convey the actual truth that has been in place for some time. In other words, JR & JP have been the music writers for a while now, they just didn't credit it that way in the album credits until this album.
So you can just go with credits printed on album sleeves, or you can go with the truth from the horse's mout, which has certainly come out. But whatever, pal.
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I agree, I May have pushed it months ago a bit but have been very respecfull since then and have tried to be coming with example more than just words. Instead of losing it and calling me a troll, I would have taken notice of it if you or the other guy would have given me that information. I'm not an expert of the band, been listening to DT since 2009.
Chill!!!
Telling a moderator who is giving you verifiable facts that he can laugh all he wants, and calling another user "foolish" are far from respectful. As I said, continuing to insult and bait other users will get you banned. Either figure out how to post respectfully, or you will be shown the door.
Well he was laughing at my opinion so I think it goes both ways Mr.
I don't think I insult people more than anybody else. It's very easy to find so many opinions from other members about who wrote TA and that they should get involve the other members of the band for the next album, hopefully they can bring ideas.
Anybody argue in this forum. I'm not different but whatever. I'm losing my time with you obviously.
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They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
So you know how much was the participation of Myong and JLB on ADTOE and DT12? No you don't. They might have a big part in it as well as the lyrics.
On TA, it says no credit to anyone but Jordan and Petrucci. So I kind of believe what they write as credits on their album sleeves as for who create the music and lyrics.
Yes, and in multiple interviews Rudess has said that the credits on this album finally convey the actual truth that has been in place for some time. In other words, JR & JP have been the music writers for a while now, they just didn't credit it that way in the album credits until this album.
So you can just go with credits printed on album sleeves, or you can go with the truth from the horse's mout, which has certainly come out. But whatever, pal.
Thank you body. So who wrote the darn music of TA? :tup
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lol body
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They all got the writing credit, but the overwhelming majority of music was written by JP & JR, and has been for some time.
So you know how much was the participation of Myong and JLB on ADTOE and DT12? No you don't. They might have a big part in it as well as the lyrics.
On TA, it says no credit to anyone but Jordan and Petrucci. So I kind of believe what they write as credits on their album sleeves as for who create the music and lyrics.
Yes, and in multiple interviews Rudess has said that the credits on this album finally convey the actual truth that has been in place for some time. In other words, JR & JP have been the music writers for a while now, they just didn't credit it that way in the album credits until this album.
So you can just go with credits printed on album sleeves, or you can go with the truth from the horse's mout, which has certainly come out. But whatever, pal.
Thank you body. So who wrote the darn music of TA? :tup
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JP & JR. This has been covered ad nauseum.
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hefbody42
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The AstonishingBot 3000.
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I go with the info I have on the sleeves and he comes back with a foolish example.
It was not a foolish example.
You have said that TA is more of a JP and JR album because they wrote all of it.
I then said that, by that same rationale, that every Rush instrumental is a Lee/Lifeson song, since Peart is always credited with writing their lyrics (with a few exceptions since 1975), while the other two always get the writing credit for the music.
It is the same thing. You really don't see that? :)
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hefbody42
8/10 would read again
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hefbody42
olol
hefbody42
8/10 would read again
Thanks, body.
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Everybody must get stoned
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Everybody must get stoned
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Is that Kaepernick?
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Who, the white guy? :lol
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Is that Kaepernick?
No, he's standing up lol
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Is that Kaepernick?
No, he's standing up lol
:rollin
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hefbody42
olol
hefbody42
8/10 would read again
Thanks, body.
Holy crap, hefbody happened for real
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lol body
I'm french, so I do make mistake like that.
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lol body
I'm french, so I do make mistake like that.
I'm French, I don't. Btw, you certainly wanted to say "mistakeS"? Just kidding, of course.
B.Lee
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lol body
I'm french, so I do make mistake like that.
I'm French, I don't. Btw, you certainly wanted to say "mistakeS"? Just kidding, of course.
B.Lee
lol, ce forum est vraiment mené d'une drôle de façon. Le type en charge est bête et dénonce mes propos alors qu'ils ont été dit déjà par d'autres sans être dénoncé. Et ses collaborateurs me parlent avec un manque flagrant de respect mais c'est moi qui écope en leur répondant de la même façon. Au Québec, on appèle ça un tarlais, en France, un con.
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Ay ay ay
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lol body
I'm french, so I do make mistake like that.
I'm French, I don't. Btw, you certainly wanted to say "mistakeS"? Just kidding, of course.
B.Lee
lol, ce forum est vraiment mené d'une drôle de façon. Le type en charge est bête et dénonce mes propos alors qu'ils ont été dit déjà par d'autres sans être dénoncé. Et ses collaborateurs me parlent avec un manque flagrant de respect mais c'est moi qui écope en leur répondant de la même façon. Au Québec, on appèle ça un tarlais, en France, un con.
Tu sais, je suis inscrit depuis 2007, donc avant l'existence de DTF. Moi aussi, parfois, j'ai eu l'impression que c'était un traitement pour certains, un traitement pour d'autres. Au final, ce forum est quand même bien modéré et est certainement l'un des meilleurs du genre, tant en modération qu'en contenu. Honnêtement, laisse couler, même si ça te hérisse le poil. C'est ce que je fais le plus possible, même si parfois, je n'y arrive. En tout cas, en 9 ans, je n'ai reçu qu'un avertissement, mais je ne sais pas si ça en dit plus sur moi ou sur eux. :biggrin: Cheers!
B.Lee
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Well, that's enough French.
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Well, that's enough French.
I can translate what I wrote, I have nothing to hide :
Well, you know, I've been on the forum since 2007, that is before DTF even existed. I, too, sometimes had the impression that some were treated in a certain way, others in a totally different way. At the end of the day, this forum is very well moderated and is certainly one of the best forums there is in the genre, both as far as moderation goes and as to what you can find there. Honestly, you have to let go a little even if it's difficult at times. I always try my best to do so even if, sometimes, I can't. In any case, in 9 years, I was given a warning only once. Yet, I don't know if it tells more about me or them. :biggrin: Cheers!
B.Lee
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Speaking about things you don't like about the forum in another language is kinda lame lol.
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
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Speaking about things you don't like about the forum in another language is kinda lame lol.
Don't know if you're talking to me, but as redbarchetta spoke to me in French, I chose to answer in the same language. Btw, my post is far from being negative about DTF as I say why I think it is probably the best forum in the genre. so, ???
B.Lee
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
non. pas du tout. :hat
plus du Francais s'il vous plait...
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
non. pas du tout. :hat
plus du Francais s'il vous plait...
Not bad, not bad, but it would be "Plus de français". ;)
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Speaking about things you don't like about the forum in another language is kinda lame lol.
Don't know if you're talking to me, but as redbarchetta spoke to me in French, I chose to answer in the same language. Btw, my post is far from being negative about DTF as I say why I think it is probably the best forum in the genre. so, ???
B.Lee
I doubt it. Your post was fine IMO, the other called a mod stupid (at least thats the way google translated it). I'm not a mod or anything, but I would say to just relax and not get so heated about an online forum. The anger/negativity just isn't worth it for something so meaningless in the large scale. Walk away if you feel your response is going to be negative like that.
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
non. pas du tout. :hat
plus du Francais s'il vous plait...
Not bad, not bad, but it would be "Plus de français". ;)
gender nouns and conjugating verbs are the things I always get wrong.
La Mer, La Plage. Du, De, etc etc. Why can't you have a catch all for "the" :(
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
Circumstances, circumstances.
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
Circumstances, circumstances.
You're right. I give up. :france:
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:facepalm: they'd better release part 2 soon lol.
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
Circumstances, circumstances.
You're right. I give up. :france:
The irony
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
Circumstances, circumstances.
You're right. I give up. :france:
The irony
The Iron Maiden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEWiOKSexig). :2metal:
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
non. pas du tout. :hat
plus du Francais s'il vous plait...
Not bad, not bad, but it would be "Plus de français". ;)
gender nouns and conjugating verbs are the things I always get wrong.
La Mer, La Plage. Du, De, etc etc. Why can't you have a catch all for "the" :(
You know what? I wonder that myself, and yet I'm both an English and a French teacher, so I can compare both languages fairly well.
B.Lee
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lol body
I'm french, so I do make mistake like that.
I'm French, I don't. Btw, you certainly wanted to say "mistakeS"? Just kidding, of course.
B.Lee
lol, ce forum est vraiment mené d'une drôle de façon. Le type en charge est bête et dénonce mes propos alors qu'ils ont été dit déjà par d'autres sans être dénoncé. Et ses collaborateurs me parlent avec un manque flagrant de respect mais c'est moi qui écope en leur répondant de la même façon. Au Québec, on appèle ça un tarlais, en France, un con.
Tu sais, je suis inscrit depuis 2007, donc avant l'existence de DTF. Moi aussi, parfois, j'ai eu l'impression que c'était un traitement pour certains, un traitement pour d'autres. Au final, ce forum est quand même bien modéré et est certainement l'un des meilleurs du genre, tant en modération qu'en contenu. Honnêtement, laisse couler, même si ça te hérisse le poil. C'est ce que je fais le plus possible, même si parfois, je n'y arrive. En tout cas, en 9 ans, je n'ai reçu qu'un avertissement, mais je ne sais pas si ça en dit plus sur moi ou sur eux. :biggrin: Cheers!
B.Lee
En toute honnêteté, être sur ce forum (même avec seulement être ici pour seulement environ un an) , la plupart de la "stupidité" des modérateurs vient du fait d'une certaine tentative de la veine d'être bord plutôt que du fait du point réel lui-même. Ne vous méprenez pas , je ne suis pas particulièrement fan de devoir être respectueux (en toute ambiguïté de ce mot ) juste pour être en mesure de faire un point à une communauté , mais en étant respectueux - en plus de cas que non - n ' t allant généralement de porter atteinte à la pointe elle-même , en particulier est que le point est dirigé vers un album qui n'a pas de connexion (personnel) pour les personnes sur le forum lui-même.
Maintenant, si nous pourrions revenir sur le sujet avec ce fil, ce serait génial. Merci...
Ai-je Google translate bonne?
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En toute honnêteté, être sur ce forum (même avec seulement être ici pour seulement environ un an) , la plupart de la "stupidité" des modérateurs vient du fait d'une certaine tentative de la veine d'être bord plutôt que du fait du point réel lui-même. Ne vous méprenez pas , je ne suis pas particulièrement fan de devoir être respectueux (en toute ambiguïté de ce mot ) juste pour être en mesure de faire un point à une communauté , mais en étant respectueux - en plus de cas que non - n ' t allant généralement de porter atteinte à la pointe elle-même , en particulier est que le point est dirigé vers un album qui n'a pas de connexion (personnel) pour les personnes sur le forum lui-même.
Maintenant, si nous pourrions revenir sur le sujet avec ce fil, ce serait génial. Merci...
Ai-je Google translate bonne?
I'm french and this is nearly not understadable :D
Enough french for sure.
BTW I liked the video, but as a musician it was too superficial to teach me something I didn't heard listening to the album.
I can understand it from a non technician point of view it can be cool to see how the same melody can be shifted elsewhere :)
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En toute honnêteté, être sur ce forum (même avec seulement être ici pour seulement environ un an) , la plupart de la "stupidité" des modérateurs vient du fait d'une certaine tentative de la veine d'être bord plutôt que du fait du point réel lui-même. Ne vous méprenez pas , je ne suis pas particulièrement fan de devoir être respectueux (en toute ambiguïté de ce mot ) juste pour être en mesure de faire un point à une communauté , mais en étant respectueux - en plus de cas que non - n ' t allant généralement de porter atteinte à la pointe elle-même , en particulier est que le point est dirigé vers un album qui n'a pas de connexion (personnel) pour les personnes sur le forum lui-même.
Maintenant, si nous pourrions revenir sur le sujet avec ce fil, ce serait génial. Merci...
Ai-je Google translate bonne?
I'm french and this is nearly not understadable :D
Enough french for sure.
Welp, I tried :dunno:
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En toute honnêteté, être sur ce forum (même avec seulement être ici pour seulement environ un an) , la plupart de la "stupidité" des modérateurs vient du fait d'une certaine tentative de la veine d'être bord plutôt que du fait du point réel lui-même. Ne vous méprenez pas , je ne suis pas particulièrement fan de devoir être respectueux (en toute ambiguïté de ce mot ) juste pour être en mesure de faire un point à une communauté , mais en étant respectueux - en plus de cas que non - n ' t allant généralement de porter atteinte à la pointe elle-même , en particulier est que le point est dirigé vers un album qui n'a pas de connexion (personnel) pour les personnes sur le forum lui-même.
Maintenant, si nous pourrions revenir sur le sujet avec ce fil, ce serait génial. Merci...
Ai-je Google translate bonne?
I'm french and this is nearly not understadable :D
Enough french for sure.
BTW I liked the video, but as a musician it was too superficial to teach me something I didn't heard listening to the album.
I can understand it from a non technician point of view it can be cool to see how the same melody can be shifted elsewhere :)
Sure! Enough of that kind of French! :rollin Back to topic, I'm not a musician (well, sort of) and I was not ineterested. I think the non professional recording is largely responsible for that.
B.Lee
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lol body
I'm french, so I do make mistake like that.
I'm French, I don't. Btw, you certainly wanted to say "mistakeS"? Just kidding, of course.
B.Lee
lol, ce forum est vraiment mené d'une drôle de façon. Le type en charge est bête et dénonce mes propos alors qu'ils ont été dit déjà par d'autres sans être dénoncé. Et ses collaborateurs me parlent avec un manque flagrant de respect mais c'est moi qui écope en leur répondant de la même façon. Au Québec, on appèle ça un tarlais, en France, un con.
Tu sais, je suis inscrit depuis 2007, donc avant l'existence de DTF. Moi aussi, parfois, j'ai eu l'impression que c'était un traitement pour certains, un traitement pour d'autres. Au final, ce forum est quand même bien modéré et est certainement l'un des meilleurs du genre, tant en modération qu'en contenu. Honnêtement, laisse couler, même si ça te hérisse le poil. C'est ce que je fais le plus possible, même si parfois, je n'y arrive. En tout cas, en 9 ans, je n'ai reçu qu'un avertissement, mais je ne sais pas si ça en dit plus sur moi ou sur eux. :biggrin: Cheers!
B.Lee
En toute honnêteté, être sur ce forum (même avec seulement être ici pour seulement environ un an) , la plupart de la "stupidité" des modérateurs vient du fait d'une certaine tentative de la veine d'être bord plutôt que du fait du point réel lui-même. Ne vous méprenez pas , je ne suis pas particulièrement fan de devoir être respectueux (en toute ambiguïté de ce mot ) juste pour être en mesure de faire un point à une communauté , mais en étant respectueux - en plus de cas que non - n ' t allant généralement de porter atteinte à la pointe elle-même , en particulier est que le point est dirigé vers un album qui n'a pas de connexion (personnel) pour les personnes sur le forum lui-même.
Maintenant, si nous pourrions revenir sur le sujet avec ce fil, ce serait génial. Merci...
Ai-je Google translate bonne?
Wow, you need a better translating program but the effort from anyone who tries another langage is meaningfull for me.
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Speaking about things you don't like about the forum in another language is kinda lame lol.
Lame is to be criticized for being laughing at a moderator who was laughing at my opinion.
Don't want to start again, my last note on that but I hope the people in charge of this forum make a good mea culpa.
I' m done with it, have a good week-end, bonne fin de semaine amis francais, plaisant de vous parler.
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Il est très délicat.
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Speaking about things you don't like about the forum in another language is kinda lame lol.
Lame is to be criticized for being laughing at a moderator who was laughing at my opinion.
Don't want to start again, my last note on that but I hope the people in charge of this forum make a good mea culpa.
I' m done with it, have a good week-end, bonne fin de semaine amis francais, plaisant de vous parler.
Although I don't usually spend so much time going off topic on a mod-related discussion in a thread, I'll give one last explanation for your benefit and in case there are any others reading who may not grasp the very straightforward rules of this place (although, at the moment, the latter does not appear to be an issue). Criticizing someone's argument, especially when presenting evidence to the contrary of said argument, is a perfectly valid and acceptable manner of discussion here (obviously, provided that it is done in a way that does not otherwise break the rules). Criticizing people, including the mod staff and the band, is against the forum rules. Sometimes, those lines blur, such as when someone is attacking an argument in such as way as to bait others or as to make it really just a thinly veiled criticism of the person himself. But, for the most part, that usually doesn't happen here.
Another user here (not a mod) pointed out that your argument is laughable. Probably not the best choice of words on his part, but at worst, that is a very borderline criticism that doesn't blatantly violate the rules. And he also presented indisputable evidence of why your point was 100% wrong. He did not criticize you. Your attacks on other people, in contrast, do violate the rules. If you still do not understand that, PM me because this thread has already gone off topic on this discussion far too long. But read the forum rules. If you don't understand them, I am willing to help you understand. If you do understand and do not choose to follow them, that is on you. If you don't like how this place is run, frankly, I don't much care. When you come into someone else's house, you either show respect to the host and follow his rules, or you get out. End of story. I don't have neither the time nor the inclination to allow someone in my house who shows myself and my other guests no respect and who refuses to follow my rules. The vast majority of people here have no problem getting that.
Now back to the topic at hand.
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Speaking about things you don't like about the forum in another language is kinda lame lol.
Don't know if you're talking to me, but as redbarchetta spoke to me in French, I chose to answer in the same language. Btw, my post is far from being negative about DTF as I say why I think it is probably the best forum in the genre. so, ???
B.Lee
I doubt it. Your post was fine IMO, the other called a mod stupid (at least thats the way google translated it). I'm not a mod or anything, but I would say to just relax and not get so heated about an online forum. The anger/negativity just isn't worth it for something so meaningless in the large scale.
Yes, that's what I told redbarchetta in a nutshell.
B.Lee
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Is there ever really "enough" French?
Circumstances, circumstances.
Did someone say "circumstances"?
Ok....."Plus ca change
Plus c'est la meme chose"
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The more it changes, the better chance it becomes a meme?
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J'ai found la vidéo très interesting. J'ai very hâte to see les next thèmes qu'ils will décortiquer...
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Part 2 (Faythe's Theme) is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgl6gssyWw
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Part 2 (Faythe's Theme) is up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgl6gssyWw
Awesome, thanks for that. These are great and are helping to tide me over, but damn where the hell is my live DVD? Are they cooking up something really special and waiting longer than usual? Or am I crazy?
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Don't live DVDs come out after the tour is over, normally ?
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Don't live DVDs come out after the tour is over, normally ?
Yes, but the announcement of filming usually comes before tickets for the tour (or at least the show) go on sale.
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Don't live DVDs come out after the tour is over, normally ?
Typically, they do. But, Breaking The Fourth Wall did come out while they were still touring for DT12 (though, kinda close to the end).
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Wonderful new episode. They left out the theme at the beginning of the 2nd Overture, though. I don't know whether that's considered to be the Faythe theme, though, but sounds like it to me.
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No live DVD has officially been announced by the band. Until something is announced, there is no live DVD.
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No live DVD has officially been announced by the band. Until something is announced, there is no live DVD.
Well, technically, yes. But since they have said unofficially that they plan to do one, I think it's a safe bet it will happen barring some unforeseen reason making them change plans.
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No live DVD has officially been announced by the band. Until something is announced, there is no live DVD.
Well, technically, yes. But since they have said unofficially that they plan to do one, I think it's a safe bet it will happen barring some unforeseen reason making them change plans.
yes
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Wonderful new episode. They left out the theme at the beginning of the 2nd Overture, though. I don't know whether that's considered to be the Faythe theme, though, but sounds like it to me.
Yeah, that's Faythe's theme too.. They also left out its appearence on A Savior in the Square, The Walking Shadow (although JP mentioned it) and Astonishing (the one at the very beginning)..
These vids are amazing.. Very instructive and interesting.. Also, listening JR/JP singing James' part in the final track has no price.. :laugh:
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Cool second episode, it's amazing how much thought and detail went into arrangements and composition integrating these different themes.
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Cool second episode, it's amazing how much thought and detail went into arrangements and composition integrating these different themes.
And how quickly they were able to write and record it . It's a 130 minute album and they still managed to write The Astonishing and record the entire album in under 2 years.
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Wonderful new episode. They left out the theme at the beginning of the 2nd Overture, though. I don't know whether that's considered to be the Faythe theme, though, but sounds like it to me.
Yeah, that's Faythe's theme too.. They also left out its appearence on A Savior in the Square, The Walking Shadow (although JP mentioned it) and Astonishing (the one at the very beginning)..
I think they only left out 'A Savior in the Square'.
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Late to the party, but I've just found these videos. Especially cool to hear how they did the chromatic thing with the Brother theme in the final track. That is one of the most beautiful passages in the entire album.
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I'm really liking these behind the scenes.
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Wonderful new episode. They left out the theme at the beginning of the 2nd Overture, though. I don't know whether that's considered to be the Faythe theme, though, but sounds like it to me.
They don't really need to go into detail with the overtures. They just introduce us to the themes and transport us into the world of the story.
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I'll have to watch these.
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No live DVD has officially been announced by the band. Until something is announced, there is no live DVD.
Well, technically, yes. But since they have said unofficially that they plan to do one, I think it's a safe bet it will happen barring some unforeseen reason making them change plans.
I guess. They have announced a shitload of other tour stops, but still haven't said anything about the show being filmed.
I hope so, but I'm not counting on it.
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No live DVD has officially been announced by the band. Until something is announced, there is no live DVD.
Well, technically, yes. But since they have said unofficially that they plan to do one, I think it's a safe bet it will happen barring some unforeseen reason making them change plans.
I guess. They have announced a shitload of other tour stops, but still haven't said anything about the show being filmed.
I hope so, but I'm not counting on it.
If they know it, they should say so that people buy the tickets. My guess is, they aren't filming any of the NA shows because of the fact they haven't announced it and ticket sales look poor on this round. I'd guess there will be more shows maybe another Euro leg or somewhere else and that's where they will film, if they do so. They'd be crazy not to film it. Just my thoughts on the subject.
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Yeah... not filming this one would make absolutely no sense to me.
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Yeah... not filming this one would make absolutely no sense to me.
Yes. I really want to see the live production of it, so... I don't know. I know it's been said unofficially, but I reealllly hope we hear it officially, soon.
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I would love if they actually included guest vocals for the show they film. I really enjoy Lzzy Hale's guest vocals on Our New World. I don't see it happening though.
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I would love if they actually included guest vocals for the show they film. I really enjoy Lzzy Hale's guest vocals on Our New World. I don't see it happening though.
That would be neat.
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I would love if they actually included guest vocals for the show they film. I really enjoy Lzzy Hale's guest vocals on Our New World. I don't see it happening though.
That would be neat.
While I wasn't crazy about her vocals as Faythe, I would totally dig the idea of using her or anyone else in general for the filming. Also an orchestra and choir.
But I'd be happy if it was just the band playing in front of the individuals in front of a hopefully sold out crowd in a nice venue.
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BTW, back on topic a little...
I caught pt. 2, and they REALLY should have used individual mics on their voices. I don't mind when it's just them talking, but when they are talking while playing, I practically can't hear them anymore.
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I heard that is how they're going to record the next album. One mic in the room and James is going to produce it.
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I heard that is how they're going to record the next album. One mic in the room and James is going to produce it.
Reviews will rave: "What's that constant digging type sound in every song?" :yarr
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I heard that is how they're going to record the next album. One mic in the room and James is going to produce it.
Reviews will rave: "What's that constant digging type sound in every song?" :yarr
It probably was James trying to bury the bass even more in the mix...
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Great videos, really enjoyed them but gosh, why did they record audio on camera mic, it's horrible :facepalm: Surely Dream Theater can affor a couple of good radio mics :)
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How come I can hear every word they say and every single note they play? The sound quality isn't perfect, but everything is audible.
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How come I can hear every word they say and every single note they play? The sound quality isn't perfect, but everything is audible.
I can hear quite clearly too. But I listen with my headphones on.
B.Lee
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How come I can hear every word they say and every single note they play? The sound quality isn't perfect, but everything is audible.
Don't forget this is brought to you by the forum that spent several pages moaning about "people just don't have the time for music anymore".
(FTR, I agree with you.)
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Don't forget this is brought to you by the forum that spent several pages moaning about "people just don't have the time for music anymore".
I remember that. It was one of the most ridiculously nitpicky discussions I've ever seen.
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PART 3 is up !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGrdwPWJOTA
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PART 3 is up !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGrdwPWJOTA
I'm seeing that the video is private :(
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Probably hidden it as it seemed to end abruptly when I watched it earlier.
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Yep. Not available to watch yet. But hopefully it means it should be here in the next few days or so. Heck, the next album might be out by the time we've covered all the themes of The Astonishing in these videos.
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Probably hidden it as it seemed to end abruptly when I watched it earlier.
Same here.
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PART 3 RE UPLOADED.
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Probably one of the best things DT has done in terms of "extras" since MP left. My only complaint is we should be on Part 10 by now.
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PART 3 is up !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGrdwPWJOTA
Does anyone know whatever happened to this?
Currently, the "Inside The Astonishing" playlist includes 4 videos, but that one (posted on Nov. 14th) is still private. The one called "Episode 3" was posted one week later (on Nov. 22th).
Those videos are very interesting and useful to me, for the The Astonishing breakdown I'm working on. So:
1. To those who got to watch the video before it was set to private: do you remember the content? Was it the same as "Episode 3" (i.e. Faythe's theme)?
2. To those who might be in contact with the band: is there any way of getting them to share the video once again? And were those 4 the only ones John and Jordan recorded?
Thanks a lot! :)
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Yet another unfortunate result of people's indifference or downright hatred towards one of DT's masterpieces was the cutting short of this wonderfully fascinating and informative series of videos.
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Yes I would have liked to have this series go on (or be completed in any way) because even if I found it nontechnical I was interested in how they did it nonetheless (as with any DT record)
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I agree...it was cool of them to discuss all the themes of the album. Shame people suck and don't understand the reason why it sounds the way it does.
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I just realised that the "private" video (from November 14th) can be found on the band's Facebook page, here:
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10153884256662181/
(You don't need to be logged in to see it.)
It's actually the same as 'Episode 3' (about melodies in "The answer"), but 5 minutes shorter - the video stops while Jordan is speaking.
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I agree...it was cool of them to discuss all the themes of the album. Shame people suck and don't understand the reason why it sounds the way it does.
You cannot expect everybody to understand such a work, but what makes me angry is the amount of negative violence that has been expressed ever since the album was released. And all that we've lost as regards TA in the process.
B.Lee
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Wait, did I miss something?.. Why are you all so sure that the reason they stopped making/uploading these videos was the negative reaction?..
I think is safe to say it had something to do with it, but maybe there were other factors involved..
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We don't know, do we?
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Would have been nice if this was finished.