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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Skeever on July 21, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
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Surprised there's not a thread for this because it's getting hyped EVERYWHERE.
I watched the first two episodes last night and determined, yup, it's just as good as everyone's saying. The Goonies comparisons are evident, but I'm also getting strong John Carpenter vibes. Also, splashes on Twin Peaks.
What do you think?
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I was right about to start one. I finished it a few days ago and loved every second of it, it's my favorite sci/fi show (or movie) I've seen for a long while. I mean, it essential is an 8-part movie. It's amazing; from the music to the direction, the story and acting, every bit of it is meticulously constructed and is a perfect homage to Carptenter (and direct nods to it in the show) and the 80's vibes all around while still retaining a completely fresh feel and not feeling like it's riding off of nostalgia.
Even with all the awesome shows on Netflix and ones that are longer, this might be my favorite.
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I was thinking of making a thread since most of the discussion of this show appeared to happen in the 'What show on Netflix to binge this summer' thread.
I completed the show in the weekend it got released and enjoyed every single episode. It was a great mix of 80s nostalgia without really hammering the era. Very entertaining show that I'm probably going to watch again very soon.
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I love this song!!
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Going to start this next week after we finish Hell on Wheels.
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I stumbled upon this while looking to see if Netflix had Shining Time Station, I watched it instead of searching.
Got hooked and watched as much as I could, at night it's way cooler. Finished it and was amazed how good this was. The 8 episode run was just perfect for it.
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Gearing up to start this one tonight, very excited considering the friends I have who've already binged the whole thing.
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Started this tonight at 10:00 intending to watch two episodes. Watched 5. Really cool show and Wynona Rider is excellent in this.
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Winona is outstanding for sure.
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Finished it up. Solid season, my only complaint would be how quickly it all wrapped up in the last episode....but that was a minor deal. Very curious as to how the second season will go.
Is 'Elle' really gone, or is Hobbs feeding her?
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Winona is outstanding for sure.
Indeed. She has always been a favorite of mine. She has never received the credit for how versatile of an actress she is.
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Surprised there's not a thread for this because it's getting hyped EVERYWHERE.
I watched the first two episodes last night and determined, yup, it's just as good as everyone's saying. The Goonies comparisons are evident, but I'm also getting strong John Carpenter vibes. Also, splashes on Twin Peaks.
What do you think?
Just fired this up tonight, and I'm in total agreement with the Twin Peaks comparison.
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It was so good!
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This show is very cool. Making my way through it now.
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OK just finished, and oh my lord what an ending. Not gonna lie, I was misty eyed for the last ten minutes man....
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OK just finished, and oh my lord what an ending. Not gonna lie, I was misty eyed for the last ten minutes man....
Totally set up a second season, while at the same time completely closing out the first one. Very well done.
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Honest to goodness I hope this is it. They wrapped everything up perfectly but left a bit just to keep the world open and the mystery alive, to show that "it" was still there.
Unless it's written and directed by the same people, I wouldn't want another season. If so, and they have a great story such as this one, then absolutely. I just don't see that happening with how perfectly woven and straight to the point this series was. There wasn't a single second of filler or nonsense. Of course with something this great the want is for more but...there's no way it'd touch this kind of beauty. ESPECIALLY if the director(s, in this case) are/is different as well as the writers, I cannot stress that part enough.
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Tio....it 'felt' like there was intent for another season to me.
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Hm. I've heard that a lot, I just didn't get that from the ending. I'd love it if everyone else was right though and they have a purposeful, strict story lined up and written out already as this one so clearly was. I'd hate for the great name that they've built so far to be tarnished by anything else but a specific vision.
SPOILZ TALKZ:
Of course the whole idea of Hobbs helping out Elle is still there (or her being alive at all) and that was there for a reason, but again, I felt like that was more of a nod to an open mystery than a "this will be our reason for S2". I also don't think that'd work out so hot considering it'd essentially be a heavy retread of parts of S1 in "now we have to go save her from the Upside Down", which would feel very cheap and not nearly as creative. If it was a quick beginning to S2 and then something else came of it, then sure...but I'd love to see what else there is to explore in that world and what would be worth having another season for.
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I'm with Tio. Everything wrapped up so well and all of the arcs are pretty much closed so another season of the same characters would be overdoing it at the risk of tainting the first season. This would be a great anthology show though.
Tio....it 'felt' like there was intent for another season to me.
I never got that. The kids were great but a sequel with them would seem like "let's see what wacky mishaps happen to the kids this time!" when part of the charm is seeing how these ordinary people react to something out of the ordinary for the first time. If it's a "here we go again" then meh.
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They might be able to recapture some magic, but there's no way they can top the first season.
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They might be able to recapture some magic, but there's no way they can top the first season.
Like American Horror Story. First Season was absolute Gold.....never to have another season come close to being that awesome again.
SPOILZ:
I'm certainly not a Hollywood Movie writer but it seemed to me that the whole thing with Will flashing back to the other side, coughing up a slimy bug and Hopper seemingly leaving Elle some food.....there was groundwork laid for more to come if they decide to. Will it be as good as the first season? Who knows....it just felt like they left the option open to me.
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Nice little read with the writers.
https://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/stranger-things-creators-explain-it-all-about-season-1
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Just finished episode three.... I'm sorry, but this show is beyond boring so far.
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Just finished episode three.... I'm sorry, but this show is beyond boring so far.
How dare you not have the same artistic taste as me. Satanist.
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*raises pitchfork and yells profanities*
*something about Avatar*
:P :heart
Seriously though, there's a few people at work who I've recommended the show to and they were like "dude why the fuck did you tell me to watch that?" :lol I guess it's more niche than I thought. I suppose you do have to have a certain amount of love for 80's related material given that the entire show is basically a love letter to that era in all facets of film. I dunno, I was hooked from episode 1 but I guess I can see how it's a slow build up. But then again I watched it expecting nothing at all so I definitely can't relate to going into it with all the hype that is (seemingly) surrounding it now.
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Just finished episode three.... I'm sorry, but this show is beyond boring so far.
I don't know if being a child of the 80's made it that much more awesome for me...but I was highly entertained the entire time. The only episode I thought lacked was the first one.
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Just finished ep 4 and even though I was caught up in the hype from everyone talking about this damn show I was still surprise how hooked I was after just two episodes. The feel and mood the actors and the script conveys works so brilliantly. Some of the best child actors i've seen especially the girl that plays Eleven.
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Ended up watching 7 episodes in row before I realised I had to go work in the morning. Really enjoyed this. Looking forward to Season 2.
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Just finished episode three.... I'm sorry, but this show is beyond boring so far.
It depends on your tastes. If you don't like conspiracy then might not like it.
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Some of the best child actors i've seen especially the girl that plays Eleven.
She was also in the BBC show 'Intruders' which was a cool show and she was great! She actually had to 'act' like a Serial Killing man who could live forever by inhabiting the bodies of 'hosts'....she was a host. It took me a few episodes to recall where I recognized her from.
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Just finished episode three.... I'm sorry, but this show is beyond boring so far.
You said the same thing about Game of Thrones... Yet...here you are six seasons later. :biggrin:
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The creators have stated in multiple interviews online that they have ideas for a second season and even a third. All they are waiting on is the green light from Netflix.
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Yep. Good to hear. I hope they live up to the first.
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Yep. Good to hear. I hope they live up to the first.
The interviews make it sound like they had a 'grand' scheme for a story...that they felt like 8 episodes was perfect fit for the first portion of the story. They did say however that if Netflix had asked for 13 Episodes they'd have delivered 13. Anyway...like you said, if they do get another season or even three....hopefully it can stand up to the first one.
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another neat little article..
https://www.yahoo.com/style/dungeons-dragons-may-hide-huge-175135630.html
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I feel like water plays a big part.
[SPOILARZ]
The inter-dimensional rip originated in a giant sensory deprivation tank, the monster first shows up in the rain, Barb drops her blood/gets taken at the pool, then The Upside Down flickers into existence when Will goes to wash his hands. The camera actually focuses on the water in the sink, leading me to believe it's important.
Also, my thoughts after finishing the series. Again, spoilers.
There's no doubt in my mind that El is alive, but that raises some questions for me. If Hopper is the only one who knows this, he must be in connection with someone at the Hawkins Lab - surely as a result of the deal he made (dammit, Lando). Given where he left the food, I feel like El is alive in another dimension. Maybe not The Upside Down, but another dimension at least.
My mind is reeling about Will right now. He coughed up an over-sized Khan worm, saw a flicker of The Upside Down, then sat down to Christmas dinner like nothing happened. I feel like there's a "parasite controlling the host" kind of thing going on, especially since no one else noticed the inter-dimensional flicker.
[END SPOILARZ]
Hopper might be my favorite TV character ever. Also, he sounds like Harrison Ford.
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I feel like water plays a big part.
[SPOILARZ]
The inter-dimensional rip originated in a giant sensory deprivation tank, the monster first shows up in the rain, Barb drops her blood/gets taken at the pool, then The Upside Down flickers into existence when Will goes to wash his hands. The camera actually focuses on the water in the sink, leading me to believe it's important.
Also, my thoughts after finishing the series. Again, spoilers.
There's no doubt in my mind that El is alive, but that raises some questions for me. If Hopper is the only one who knows this, he must be in connection with someone at the Hawkins Lab - surely as a result of the deal he made (dammit, Lando). Given where he left the food, I feel like El is alive in another dimension. Maybe not The Upside Down, but another dimension at least.
My mind is reeling about Will right now. He coughed up an over-sized Khan worm, saw a flicker of The Upside Down, then sat down to Christmas dinner like nothing happened. I feel like there's a "parasite controlling the host" kind of thing going on, especially since no one else noticed the inter-dimensional flicker.
[END SPOILARZ]
Hopper might be my favorite TV character ever. Also, he sounds like Harrison Ford.
Good point about Will....that was a bit odd. I mean, he may not be saying anything due to him being scared of having it all happen again, but he did act odd. The water angle is interesting also because you're dead on there. And, I said the same thing about Hopper to my brother, he's a very cool character. Not sure what's going on with Elle but it's no coincidence that Hopper left Eggo's out there....she's still alive but as you mentioned "where"?
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Hopper might be my favorite TV character ever. Also, he sounds like Harrison Ford.
Yea he's great, i'm actually thinking along the lines of if they ever do a Jack Nicholson biopic, he seems like the perfect pick. :lol
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Mrs P and I binge-watched the whole season last weekend and loved it! The 80's nostalgia gave the terrific acting a nice twist. We weren't as enamored with Ryder's performance as the rest of you (and the articles linked here) but generally are on the same page with the rest of the cast.We thought the plot and pacing were superb.
Put us in with the group that think a sequel isn't a good idea. We'd watch it if they made one, but with extremely low expectations.
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I enjoyed the first 4 episodes much than the latter 4. I think this was because by the end of episode 4 the mystery is pretty much solved then you have 3 episodes of the various character groups being idiots before finally coming together for the finale - which was a decent enough finale, if a tad predictable.
Has there ever been a worst walking/talking exposition character than the kids science teacher?
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I just binged the whole show and wow.
Its like Firestarter meets E.T. meets Goonies meets Half-life and it all comes together so beautifully. I loved it.
I can't believe Nancy went with steve in the end, WTF?
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Why not? Steve was setup for the jerk jock type trope but he ended up being just a good regular guy so it fits that she ended up with him. He never did anything wrong to deserve being thrown to the curb and ended up sticking up for her in the end.
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Why not? Steve was setup for the jerk jock type trope but he ended up being just a good regular guy so it fits that she ended up with him. He never did anything wrong to deserve being thrown to the curb and ended up sticking up for her in the end.
Yeah, I was surprised at first but he did feel bad about the way she was treated by his friends to the tune of cleaning the sign, and then he went to apologize to Will's brother without knowing she was there....and ended up being the only reason she lived. Had he not came back in that 'monster' would have killed them for sure.
it was a good thing they ended up together.
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Such a fucking amazing show. It's like Explorers meets Alien meets ET meets Firestarter meets Goonies meets Flight of the Navigator meets Friday the 13th. Like every 80s movie we grew up with is all in one place. And they NAILED it. Season 2 needs to come out yesterday.
The MUSIC of this show. SO GOOD. I love those analog synths. Whoever created it must binge on Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre.
Dustin is my favorite character. I was one of those kids. I was probably most like Will, since I was a little quirky and socially awkward, but a good natured kid, and was often bullied. I HATED those two bullies... I wish I had an Eleven there to psychokinetically break their arm or piss their pants.
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Such a fucking amazing show. It's like Explorers meets Alien meets ET meets Firestarter meets Goonies meets Flight of the Navigator meets Friday the 13th. Like every 80s movie we grew up with is all in one place. And they NAILED it. Season 2 needs to come out yesterday.
The MUSIC of this show. SO GOOD. I love those analog synths. Whoever created it must binge on Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre.
Dustin is my favorite character. I was one of those kids. I was probably most like Will, since I was a little quirky and socially awkward, but a good natured kid, and was often bullied. I HATED those two bullies... I wish I had an Eleven there to psychokinetically break their arm or piss their pants.
yeah....the bullies brought back some memories....and not in a good way. Elementary school kids are just dicks...there's no getting around it. My wife still gets teary eyed to this day when in conversation I mention again that I spent the majority of my elementary school days hiding inside tires....the ones that were buried half in and out of the ground (anyone else have those?) ....and making my way into the creek that ran along side the school to get away from the other kids. I was an easy target...awkward....short...like REAL short....and from a real low income family. Anyway....Elle would have been nice to have around :tup
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I've been meaning to check this show out, I'll do it tonight then.
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I've been meaning to check this show out, I'll do it tonight then.
If your a fan of Goonies, ET, Stand by Me, Firestarter, Poltergeist....ANY of those classic 80's movies then you should dig this show a lot.
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I heard about this few days ago but was skeptical because I generally don't like/hate most media focused around children as main characters, but boredom won last night and I binged 7 episodes. Damn, that show is fucking good.
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It was great! I was totally digging the 80's vibe, and 8 episodes was the perfect length.
I know there's a lot of junk on Netflix, but one of the good things about it is that it gives shows like this a chance. This may not have seen the light of day on a regular TV broadcast network.
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Very good point, this would've been buried and ruined on network television. Either that or it would've been twice as long with ten times the filler and a romantic element that was twice as large.
Throw in a few other hijinks that would've royally fucked it up.
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Pretty interesting and plausible 'fan' theory about Eleven and the 'Monster'..
https://uproxx.com/tv/is-eleven-the-monster-stranger-things-theory-spoilers/
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Pretty interesting and plausible 'fan' theory about Eleven and the 'Monster'..
https://uproxx.com/tv/is-eleven-the-monster-stranger-things-theory-spoilers/
Cool. Seems pretty plausible, however, why would the Monster have captured Will in the first place? If the Monster is the physical manifestation of Eleven's inner turmoil, why would she/it go after Will, who she wouldn't even know, and wouldn't have had any issue with? ???
(BTW - the title generator linked to on that site is pretty cool: https://makeitstranger.com/hello-dtf) :biggrin:
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Goddamn I loved this series. It was incredible. Eleven is just baddass and a really good actress.
It had a perfect feel to it all the way through. This even rivals Orange is the New Black (even though they are nothing alike) as my favourite Netflix series.
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Just finished this last night. Was surprised how much I liked it, considering I normally don't dig that kind of scifi/supernatural thing. However, the writing was excellent, as was the acting.
Favorite characters were Dustin (hilarious kid), Hopper and El.
The choice of music throughout couldn't have been more perfect.
Well done. :tup :tup
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I have watched the first two episodes only so not reading most of the thread... I'm digging it so far but I'm a bit tired of the whole eighties thing.
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Keep watching. You ain't seen nothing yet. :biggrin:
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Yeah, it gets much better. I've got one left but won't be able to watch til tomorrow or Thurs.
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Just saw on a video on their facebook, Season 2 coming 2017. Interesting to say the least.
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Such a fucking amazing show. It's like Explorers meets Alien meets ET meets Firestarter meets Goonies meets Flight of the Navigator meets Friday the 13th. Like every 80s movie we grew up with is all in one place. And they NAILED it. Season 2 needs to come out yesterday.
The MUSIC of this show. SO GOOD. I love those analog synths. Whoever created it must binge on Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre.
Dustin is my favorite character. I was one of those kids. I was probably most like Will, since I was a little quirky and socially awkward, but a good natured kid, and was often bullied. I HATED those two bullies... I wish I had an Eleven there to psychokinetically break their arm or piss their pants.
yeah....the bullies brought back some memories....and not in a good way. Elementary school kids are just dicks...there's no getting around it. My wife still gets teary eyed to this day when in conversation I mention again that I spent the majority of my elementary school days hiding inside tires....the ones that were buried half in and out of the ground (anyone else have those?) ....and making my way into the creek that ran along side the school to get away from the other kids. I was an easy target...awkward....short...like REAL short....and from a real low income family. Anyway....Elle would have been nice to have around :tup
I hear you about the bullies in grade school. I was fat and shy, so I was an easy target. Off topic a bit, but if you get a chance listen to a song from Beardfish on the cd Comfort Zone called 'Can you see me now'. I really hated to hear that Beardfish broke up. They were a bit 'out there', but had some great songs.
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This was pretty neat. Looks like these kiddos are pretty close and have fun
https://www.google.com/amp/consequenceofsound.net/2016/09/millie-bobby-brown-a-k-a-eleven-perfectly-raps-nicki-minajs-monster/amp/
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Only saw the first two episodes and I'm already hooked. Very well done tribute.
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Turns out Millie Bobby Brown is British?
I had no idea. Mind blown.
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Yeah I just saw that too. Kind of wished they kept it, she would be even more badass with it.
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Finished this last week, and yeah it was great. I wasn't really sold on it after the first episode, but after the second and going into the third I was stuck. The mom was really annoying though. Usually when a character is right and no one believes them you think everyone else is annoying, but this time she seemed to be doing everything in her power to make people think she was crazy.
I also really liked that Nancy got together with Steve and not Jonathan at the end, that was an unexpected surprise. I always liked Steve, and hoped throughout that they wouldn't just turn him into a complete ass just to give way for Jonathan. Steve never actually felt like an asshole, so I'm glad they followed through with that character development.
Monster was a bit wonky, but for the most part it worked, and all the kids were fantastic. Looking forward to season 2.
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This was pretty neat. Looks like these kiddos are pretty close and have fun
https://www.google.com/amp/consequenceofsound.net/2016/09/millie-bobby-brown-a-k-a-eleven-perfectly-raps-nicki-minajs-monster/amp/
Jimmy- Can you read?
Kid- Can you host?
F'in ouch man.... burned by an eleven year old....
Btw, totally forgot to post this here, saw this kid at SF Comic Con, just a brilliant cosplay...
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14225630_999432833488157_2534665232999771943_n.jpg?oh=c63bc0d9356083851c3fd0a4b91963a0&oe=5880041C)
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Okay, so I didn't know they were doing a second season until the teaser during the Super Bowl. I'm firmly in the camp that this should have been a one off series...but, yeah, I'll probably watch it anyway.
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Okay, so I didn't know they were doing a second season until the teaser during the Super Bowl. I'm firmly in the camp that this should have been a one off series...but, yeah, I'll probably watch it anyway.
The brothers that wrote it originally had wanted to do a movie but ended up with a lot of content so they've always had an idea for a couple seasons....I can't remember specifically how many, I want to say (4) but I can't remember.....I think it's the whole 'over 40' thing where after about six minutes I forget stuff. But I do remember that they and Netflix always knew and planned for additional seasons.
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Super excited for this. Definitely wanted only one season originally but if they have actual story and not "on the fly" BS they wrote when it blew up in popularity, I'm all for it. The world is awesome, there's definitely at least a few storylines that can be followed, and while I hope they don't just milk this, the characters are so lovable that I can't help but want to see more of them together. Can't wait to see what they come up with and I hope it is at least as good as S1.
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With season 2 upon us in just about a week, grabbed the special edition boxset they released exclusive to Target.
Neat packaging, made it look like a VHS tape
Not my pics, found it on reddit.
https://imgur.com/a/ZkAuQ (https://imgur.com/a/ZkAuQ)
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With season 2 upon us in just about a week, grabbed the special edition boxset they released exclusive to Target.
Neat packaging, made it look like a VHS tape
Not my pics, found it on reddit.
https://imgur.com/a/ZkAuQ (https://imgur.com/a/ZkAuQ)
That's is some of the coolest packaging I have ever seen. wow
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Second season is out! Two episodes in and it's great.
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Second season is out! Two episodes in and it's great.
Great to hear. I have to wait until tomorrow night. Have a wedding tonight to attend then up early a.m. for a chilly 13k trail run....can’t start tonight as I know I’d stay up too late
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Just started, and the opening scene of Dragon's Lair already has me neck deep in nostalgia...
Edit- onto ep4 and damn I love this show so much...
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I'm at the start of episode 7 at the moment. This season has been fantastic. They set the bar high with season 1, this season might even be better. IMO this is the best Netflix original by a landslide because it's interesting, suspenseful, and still very fun.
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And it's so well executed. The sets and attention to the 80's noir details are exceptional, I've been paying close attention to the cars and they have all the period cars just right. The story of course is wonderful, just the right mix of suspense, horror, and jocularity. But above all it's the acting, the kids are just outstanding actors across the board. Eleven's scene in ep4 (the one where she first comes across her mom's existence ) is shockingly powerful and emotional.
Love this show so much.
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Finished it. Fantastic! I won't compare or rank which season I prefer just that I truly loved this season just as much as the first one. This show is so much fun to watch and I think apart from relying on the 80s nostalgia setting and the great acting, the best part of the show IMO is the chemistry the cast share with each other. The pairing up of one kid with an adult is done so well, all the kids act great but the adults are excellent too and it's how they gel together makes the show.
Only minor thing was that I thought they sorta wasted or didn't use a potential storyline which I thought would've been great. Though I guess they can always tie it in next season.
I just read that they are renewed for two more seasons and that's it. I think that works.
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Two episodes in so far, and loving it. Nice to see Sean Astin making an appearance too.
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4 episodes in! Im loving this just as much, if not more, than the first season.
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Two episodes in so far, and loving it. Nice to see Sean Astin making an appearance too.
He was at SF Comic Con and I went to his Q&A, he was so beyond complimentary of the kids, saying they were more professional than most adult actors. He's such a hell of a nice guy.
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Two episodes in so far, and loving it. Nice to see Sean Astin making an appearance too.
He was at SF Comic Con and I went to his Q&A, he was so beyond complimentary of the kids, saying they were more professional than most adult actors. He's such a hell of a nice guy.
Very cool. He seems like a really genuine guy. Was it a Q&A specifically for the show, or did people get the chance to ask more general questions? It’d be great to hear him speak about his time in LOTR.
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It's just as good if not better than the first season. I won't spoil anything until more people get a chance to finish the season, but I do have some quick thoughts to share.
Props to all the actors, every character was a thrill to watch and they gave amazing performances. Special shoutout to Billy, Max's stepbrother - he was the red Power Ranger in the Power Ranger film earlier this year and he stole every scene he was in. What an asshole! The embodiment of every 80s meathead stereotype - listens to metal, what-the-fuck hairdo, smokes while bench pressing, 40 second kegstands, I loved to hate to love him. Also a shoutout to Winona Ryder and Sean Astin. I thought they did an amazing job.
I was really happy to see what happened with Steve, Jonathon, and Nancy throughout the season. And all of the kids got plenty of screen time! Max was a cool character, and it was nice to see the kids dealing with every day kid stuff in school. The episode where they got in costume for school had me laughing a lot. Dustin was hilarious this season with that 'check out these pearls' line.
I'm really happy to hear it's renewed for two more seasons. One of the best shows out there!
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This was an amazing season. Every actor was great, but Will was the star. The Red Ranger was, in fact, really incredible and almost made me want to see the Power Rangers movie for him alone. Loved every character's arc, especially Steve.
I've heard complaints about episode 7. I thought it was a good episode, but felt like a different show. Honestly, the entire episode could have been cut and it wouldn't have mattered.
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The Red Ranger was, in fact, really incredible and almost made me want to see the Power Rangers movie for him alone. Loved every character's arc, especially Steve.
You just answered a question I had. I was trying to figure out where I saw him.
Also, the Andrew Stanton directed episode was fantastic!
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I thought episode 7 was the weakest of them all but only because it was a story that featured characters both introduced and forgotten in the same episode. But, to the extent of those restraints, those characters were kind of fun. I thought it was good for Eleven to have an episode struggling to find herself, finding outcasts like herself, etc.
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I thought episode 7 was the weakest of them all but only because it was a story that featured characters both introduced and forgotten in the same episode. But, to the extent of those restraints, those characters were kind of fun. I thought it was good for Eleven to have an episode struggling to find herself, finding outcasts like herself, etc.
Yea, it was a good episode. It just wasn't a good part of the season. It felt the season was going, then for episode 7 they just took a huge detour and then came back. It was just odd and overall, unnecessary.
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I imagine that will be some sort of set up for next season. Only gripe I had was who they decided to pair Max with. Dustin is a far better character than Lucas
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Yeah, I'm seven episodes in now, and I was thinking the entire time that it felt like an episode for a different show. I agree that it was a very strange place to put that episode. Episodes four, five and six have such a good run, and build up so much momentum, that it feels like we ran into a wall in Episode Seven. I will finish episodes Eight and Nine tonight, so I am eager to find out what happens after all of...that.
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Definitely not complaining about ep 7, it was a great episode. I just that storyline was more incorporated into the main storyline rather than feel like a spinoff. But I'm guessing it will be used in some capacity in later seasons.
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Two episodes in so far, and loving it. Nice to see Sean Astin making an appearance too.
He was at SF Comic Con and I went to his Q&A, he was so beyond complimentary of the kids, saying they were more professional than most adult actors. He's such a hell of a nice guy.
Very cool. He seems like a really genuine guy. Was it a Q&A specifically for the show, or did people get the chance to ask more general questions? It’d be great to hear him speak about his time in LOTR.
It was general questions asked by the audience, but most of them were Stranger Things centric, and one interesting one about a possible pet project of Astin's (he's trying to get the book Number the Stars into a movie)
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Finished at three thirty this morning.... simply couldn’t stop watching. (7) in a row! Anyway, really good sophomore season. There was a chance they’d never recapture the magic of the first season but they didn’t disappoint.
As has been mentioned, the reason for that is the chemistry these kids have with one another. They don’t have to convince you they’re close friends because they actually are, and they are talented actors to boot.
One of my favorite ‘Call backs’ of the season was in ‘The Spy’ when the soldiers were led into the trap. That whole sequence was taken near directly from ALIENS when the colonial Marines first encounter the aliens in the sub station of the atmospheric processors. From some of the dialogue like ‘stay frosty’, to the motion detector right down ‘Carter Burke’ himself watching it all unfold on CCTV like
He did in ALIENS....it was really well done.
As far as episode 7 it’s undoubtedy intentional ....:not random and it’s most likely there to introduce her ‘sister’.....form a small bond between them so that 008 can return to the story at a later date. If anything, to help Janes Mom see different visions other than the painful ones she’s been reliving.
Can’t wait for the next season
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I think it was also to give 11/Jane some real depth to her character. We know where her morality and her loyalties lie now, and when building upon her in the future, they can go from those starting points.
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Binge-watched the whole season with my wife, and it was amazing. For me, as good as the first season. :tup
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SPOILERS....
Well, for what it's worth, episodes Eight and Nine totally made up for it. I have no doubt that Eleven's sister and her gang will come back in later seasons, and now that we're acquainted with them, they will be better received and the flow will be much more coherent. But, yeah, the last two episodes were aces and tricked us into believing one thing while doing another (I totally thought Bob would be a spy. Turns out he was a really great dude, and I hated it when he got eaten by the demodogs---even if that lingering shot gave his death away) The last ten minutes of Episode Nine really got me in the feels, which is probably the show's best quailty. Definitely looknig forward to Season Three.
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SPOILERS....
Well, for what it's worth, episodes Eight and Nine totally made up for it. I have no doubt that Eleven's sister and her gang will come back in later seasons, and now that we're acquainted with them, they will be better received and the flow will be much more coherent. But, yeah, the last two episodes were aces and tricked us into believing one thing while doing another (I totally thought Bob would be a spy. Turns out he was a really great dude, and I hated it when he got eaten by the demodogs---even if that lingering shot gave his death away) The last ten minutes of Episode Nine really got me in the feels, which is probably the show's best quailty. Definitely looknig forward to Season Three.
More spoilers...
Yea, I'm thinking they set all that up to guide the way for future seasons. I mean, how many more times can they do a "Will gets held hostage by the Upside Down and everyone has to stop a demogorgon? I think if the Upside Down takes a back seat next season to focus on the 11 thing and the other 10 or more kids would be interesting and new.
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AND MORE SPOILERS, STILL...
The Duffer Brothers (creators of the show) said that there's a reason why Hawkins is being tageted. We saw elements of that before, with the pumpkin patches being rotten and such. But I'm assuming there's much more to be learned in Season Three and we'll be seeing more of the Upside Down and digging into its own mythology. Dustin said something in Episode Eight about the shadow-monster being so old that it doesn't even know its own origin. Maybe Hawkins and its location has something to do with that, and I think that's where the Duffer brothers are gonna go with it in the third season.
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I have some questions about the Upside Down, and they're not spoilers if you've at least seen season one.
So.
Whenever they show the upside down, it's basically like a crazy destroyed version of our world. It still has the cars, buildings, streets, etc. from the real world. So how does that work? If someone builds a building in the real world, does it just magically appear in the upside down later? From the upside down's perspective, do the bricks and so forth just fly around and create a house since there are no humans? Am I just overthinking this because I'm a nerd?
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AND MORE SPOILERS, STILL...
Dustin said something in Episode Eight about the shadow-monster being so old that it doesn't even know its own origin.
God, I laughed so hard at that sequence. The total ridiculousness of adults standing around seriously listening to a prepubescent kid site Dungeons and Dragons lore from the Monster Manual about Mind Flayers was just so absurd. Plus, Dustin said something in the vein of, "Hey, it's all there in the manual." :lol
I have to wonder if that is a dig at the Park City, Utah school board who banned D&D from a math class in the late 1970's (the teacher was using the dice rolls to teach the kids probability curves). There was a semi famous quote from a parent who said they didn't want there kids to have access to a "manual for casting satanic spells" or some such.
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I have some questions about the Upside Down, and they're not spoilers if you've at least seen season one.
So.
Whenever they show the upside down, it's basically like a crazy destroyed version of our world. It still has the cars, buildings, streets, etc. from the real world. So how does that work? If someone builds a building in the real world, does it just magically appear in the upside down later? From the upside down's perspective, do the bricks and so forth just fly around and create a house since there are no humans? Am I just overthinking this because I'm a nerd?
Yes. To everything. You have completely figured out the mechanics. :blob:
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The more I start to think of this season the more I'm loving it. I think I'll rewatch the first season and head again into season two. It definitely gets the feels going, this show does.
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I enjoyed season two but not as much as the first. Don't get me wrong, the writing and acting were terrific but the 80's culture references were much more fun when they were fresh.
I will say, the writers, directors and show runners are masters of the episode cliff hanger. God damn, it was difficult not to watch just one more. Just one more.
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I think for many, like me, that's what hooked you in the first season. When it came out, there was not much advertising for it. Then the weekend it came out, I thought I'd catch one episode of it to see what the show was about and then it was too late, I'd already watched 5 in a row. I'm sure I remember MP having the same reaction on twitter, his whole family sat down to catch an episode or two and they all marathoned through the entire series at one go.
Netflix have pretty much mastered the art in making shows that really suck you in.
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Mid Thread Opinion Poll
Do I allow my 10 and 11 year old sons to watch Stranger Things? They've never seen it, heard about it...and want to watch it. They've watched some PG-13 movies like Maze Runner, Kong....Tarzan.....things along those lines. They've heard cuss words before so it's not so much the random SOB's and Sh%t and stuff.....it's more the emotional kid gone missing...moms a mess...etc etc. I'm concerned about.
What do the parents of DTF think? I'm leaning 'yes' and my wife has left it up to me being that she hasn't seen either season.
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I think for many, like me, that's what hooked you in the first season. When it came out, there was not much advertising for it. Then the weekend it came out, I thought I'd catch one episode of it to see what the show was about and then it was too late, I'd already watched 5 in a row. I'm sure I remember MP having the same reaction on twitter, his whole family sat down to catch an episode or two and they all marathoned through the entire series at one go.
Netflix have pretty much mastered the art in making shows that really suck you in.
Thats what happened to me. I just saw it on Netflix and decided to watch it. Before I knew it I was 5-6 episodes in. Then later on, found out it had just premiered that very same day, lucky me.
Still need to watch Season 2. Probably will soonish, but might watch Season 1 again as a refresher
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Mid Thread Opinion Poll
Do I allow my 10 and 11 year old sons to watch Stranger Things? They've never seen it, heard about it...and want to watch it. They've watched some PG-13 movies like Maze Runner, Kong....Tarzan.....things along those lines. They've heard cuss words before so it's not so much the random SOB's and Sh%t and stuff.....it's more the emotional kid gone missing...moms a mess...etc etc. I'm concerned about.
What do the parents of DTF think? I'm leaning 'yes' and my wife has left it up to me being that she hasn't seen either season.
It sorta depends on what kind of understanding you think your kids have. The swearing and implied sexuality is pretty mild comparatively. The only thing I'd be worried if it was me is the occasional violence, I mean if you ask me it looks a bit too intense at times, even more than most PG-13 movies I feel. If you think your kids can handle that I think they should be ok. There really isn't much violence throughout but those couple of times there is, it can be a bit jarring IMO. My kid is just 3 so there's still some time for me to think about those things :biggrin:
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Mid Thread Opinion Poll
Do I allow my 10 and 11 year old sons to watch Stranger Things? They've never seen it, heard about it...and want to watch it. They've watched some PG-13 movies like Maze Runner, Kong....Tarzan.....things along those lines. They've heard cuss words before so it's not so much the random SOB's and Sh%t and stuff.....it's more the emotional kid gone missing...moms a mess...etc etc. I'm concerned about.
What do the parents of DTF think? I'm leaning 'yes' and my wife has left it up to me being that she hasn't seen either season.
It sorta depends on what kind of understanding you think your kids have. The swearing and implied sexuality is pretty mild comparatively. The only thing I'd be worried if it was me is the occasional violence, I mean if you ask me it looks a bit too intense at times, even more than most PG-13 movies I feel. If you think your kids can handle that I think they should be ok. There really isn't much violence throughout but those couple of times there is, it can be a bit jarring IMO. My kid is just 3 so there's still some time for me to think about those things :biggrin:
This is my issue. I think they could handle 90% of the show because 90% of the show is more or less 'fun' with some action and what not. But the really intense scenes are intense. There are some legit murder scenes that happen and although they aren't overly gory by any means they are still pretty blunt and direct.
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I think it just depends on how mature you think your kids are. When I was 5 my parents let me play Mortal Kombat and Quake (and my father was in the room during Quake so he knew what I was playing) because they knew I understood it was just a game. If they're smart enough to realize it's just a TV show they'll be fine. Yeah there's some violence and a couple bloody murder scenes, and a fair bit of swearing, but if they're mature enough they'll handle it just fine.
However there are a couple really visually disturbing scenes, even as an adult. Mainly with Will - one when they light the vines on fire and he's seizing, and the other where the mind flayer/shadow monster is literally entering his body.
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Anyone watch the after show series "Beyond Strangers Things"? 7 Episodes of around 20 min each hosted by Jim Rash, the Dean from Community. I'll check it out later.
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Just finished. I'm truly in love with this show. The emotions it manages to easily elicit from me is amazing. Granted I'm a softy to begin with, but that rollercoaster of ep9 had me on the edge for a good half hour of it. And then that perfectly crafted closing scene with the school dance was just too much.
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Gary,
You won't know until you try. Some kids handle the violence differently than others. I think Stranger Things is a pretty good way to find out since it's not shockingly gory. My advise is that you and your wife watch the first season with them since it's not as unrelentingly tense and keep a sly eye on things. Your kids will watch you and your wife carefully for your reactions so playing it cool is important, but if one of the kids gets a too freaked, just quietly usher them out and have a calm conversation with them. You'll know what to do. I wouldn't turn the show off if only one of the boys is troubled, but if both are then maybe it would be best to turn it off.
and yell at them for being pussies! :)
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:lol :lol :lol
I need to watch Beyond Stranger Things, thanks for the heads up faizoff.
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Gregg....that's a good approach. My wife was wanting to watch it as well so that'd be the scenario.
And, my boys already hear it enough from me how they'd never have survived in PawPaw's (my Dad) house.....that they don't know how easy they have it when it comes to being hurt/scared, whatever. there wasn't a lot of sympathy from him growing up. He was the typical 'get over it, you're fine' Dad.
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I hope you know that last line was a joke. Didn't intend to bring up bad stuff.
Now, buckup, buttercup! :lol
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I hope you know that last line was a joke. Didn't intend to bring up bad stuff.
Now, buckup, buttercup! :lol
Oh I know....and I don't mean to make it sound like my dad was a dick. He was/is great. He was just 'old school'. My younger brother once stepped on a nail that went clear through his foot...in between the webbing of his toes where there's really just skin and a bit of muscle. My dad took one look at the wound....at the nail and said 'you're fine, the nail isn't rusty and your barely bleeding'. No trip to the Dr, no emotional counseling. Just 'you'll be fine, shake it off' I love the fact I was raised like that. Unless you severed an artery and were bleeding out any injury was always 'your'e fine' :lol
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Fucking ouch man...I cringed just reading that..
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Maybe I'm not in the right mood or state of mind but I am not nearly as attached or loving this season as the first. Four episodes in and the vast majority of the show so far has been campy school happenings, parties, and so many random, bad jokes you'd think that it'd turn into a sit-com. I'm going to stick with it but my original fear of them milking this just to milk it and make that dough seems to be coming at least partially true; especially since I read they're already gearing up for a Season 3.
I don't know how to feel about it at this point. The original had a whole hell of a lot of charm and a very specific story to tell with absolutely no filler. I feel like in just the four episodes I've watched when there's only 9 to begin with, there's been filler in almost half of every episode. There's also some character archetypes that just do not make sense to introduce unless they're going somewhere (the "psycho" not-brother of Max; I want Sean Astin to burn in Mordor; the expansion of Steve and Nancy's relationship is as interesting and deep as a puddle). Basically I'm just sad that I don't have the same feelings for the show as I did almost immediately with Season 1 despite S1 also starting off a little slow, it quickly developed into a masterpiece. Rightfully so, since there were only 8 episodes. I really think they're taking their time (and not in a good way, mind you, but with the aforementioned filler) because they know now that it's going to be a hit and that they can milk it dry.
I'll come back way later with an updated view after finishing it but I need a break from the cheese-factor this season has introduced in spades. I kind of knew it wasn't going to be the same when they had the garage-punk-band and 8 in that first scene. Ugh...
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Quick post now, more later. jingle.son and I just finished it up. Loved it just as much as Season 1. As was mentioned, the attention to detail was fantastic.... little things like the flashlights with the red plastic caps; the Head&Shoulders bottle in the bathroom... stuff like that all over the place.
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Quick post now, more later. jingle.son and I just finished it up. Loved it just as much as Season 1. As was mentioned, the attention to detail was fantastic.... little things like the flashlights with the red plastic caps; the Head&Shoulders bottle in the bathroom... stuff like that all over the place.
I mentioned that same detail today. That was OLD SCHOOL !!!
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Currently watching episode 7. So far, I could really do without this episode. I’m really loving this season, but I think they made the best character of season 1 the least interesting for season 2.
Edit: Maybe the episode wasn't that bad, but coming off of episode 6 and to slow down like that, it kinda sucked. But, the episode pays off because of the end of episode 8
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Watched the first 3 episodes of Beyond Stranger Things, it's a fun quirky after show. I like the candor of the segments, you learn some neat trivia and some of the behind the scenes stuff, how some of the plot lines were changed to suit the characters, etc.. You can see how well the cast gels together. They really seem to have that chemistry between the kids and the adults which is why they decided to pair some of them that way.
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Season 2 was quite a bit weaker than S1 but it was still an enjoyable watch for the most part.
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Season 2 was quite a bit weaker than S1 but it was still an enjoyable watch for the most part.
I'd think that it's near impossible to capture the magic of season 1. It was such an awesome surprise and unique feel. I enjoyed Season 2 a lot, but I wouldn't call it 'weaker'....I'd say that it just didn't have that same 'spell' that season 1 had. But that was/is to be expected when you have a show pop on to the scene like Season 1 did. The expectations were sky high for season 2 and I thought they handled it very well.
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I agree you can't quite capture that magic from the first season. I have that same thought with The Walking Dead. That first season was just an amazing, unexpected surprise. But having had finished season 2 for a few days now with time to think about it, I think this season was just as good, if not better, than the first season. I feel like the character were fully realized. Especially Will Byers. And what a wonderful kid actor. All of them.
But my girlfriend and I are in agreement that if Nancy ever gets killed, we won't cry about it :lol She's the Felicity Smoak (Arrow) of this show
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Just binged the remaining 6 episodes of S2. Loved the ending - pure 80’s nostalgia.
David Harbour is great. It would be great to see him in more things. I hope this show helps boost his profile.
All the kid actors were super yet again. Excellent casting.
My only criticism is with episode 7 and the whole 008 storyline. I wasn’t mad keen on it in general, but I think this may have worked better being interspersed into other episodes. Dedicating a whole episode to it seemed a bit unnecessary.
Oh, and poor Bob!!
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My only criticism is with episode 7 and the whole 008 storyline. I wasn’t mad keen on it in general, but I think this may have worked better being interspersed into other episodes. Dedicating a whole episode to it seemed a bit unnecessary.
I can agree with that, and would be my only criticism of the season. I think the story itself was important because I can't imagine that 008 won't be part of the story moving forward....so forming that relationship probably was important......but I agree that a stand alone episode like that felt a bit much. Even then though the only reason the episode didn't seem to work was that it was sandwiched in a good run and flow of episodes....but the episode itself wasn't all that bad. Just felt out of place.
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My only beef with Ep 7 was ruining the continuity between 6 and 8. If they had flip flopped 6 with 7, that might have been more tolerable. Like RJ said, it really revealed Eleven's character, powers, and power. I think all of it was relevant, but breaking the momentum of ep 6 was a bit of a killjoy.
Spoilers...
Mike was a dick to Max... you'd think that character would understand the relevance and impact of boy/girl friendship/camaraderie/relationship. He was a douche to Max.
Mike's mom was smokin hawt in the final episode. <insert Dustin's grlrlrlrlrlrl> Nancy did a total solid for Dustin at the end. While I agree with Accelerando, that was a great thing to do. Billy was great... looking forward to how that character evolves.
I have/had a few minor nits in a few episodes, but nothing that detracted from the overall awesomeness of the season. I'm looking forward to the reveal/discover of One thru Seven, as well as Nine and Ten.
Oh, and poor Bob!!
Too funny... I text RJ when it happened - "Poor Samwise".
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There were several moments throughout the show that I thought Bob was going to be a 'bad' guy. There were some looks and certain ways the scenes went where I was like "is he a bad guy just spying on this family?" Especially after he convinced Will to stand up to the Flayer monster thing.....thought for sure he was a 'bad guy' after that.
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There were several moments throughout the show that I thought Bob was going to be a 'bad' guy. There were some looks and certain ways the scenes went where I was like "is he a bad guy just spying on this family?" Especially after he convinced Will to stand up to the Flayer monster thing.....thought for sure he was a 'bad guy' after that.
I've heard that from a lot of people. I'm really glad he was just a good guy. I'm glad he had his major hero arc and that we rooted for him.
I love Bob.
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Late to the party, but started watching it last week and got about 5 or 6 episodes into season 1. Really cool show.
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Finished it a few days ago and really liked it. I absolutely loved the scene where they have Will tied up and just tell him stories. No score, no action, just a lot of genuine emotion. Loved that.
Also, I don’t quite understand why everyone has such a problem with Nancy.
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Mike's mom was smokin hawt in the final episode.
I totally loved that scene where she comes to the door in her bathrobe. Max's brother is all "Nobody told me Nancy had a sister". Brilliantly done.
El totally blew Max off when she tried to introduce herself. I wonder if that's going to be a recurring theme in S3?
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I don't think so. Now that the relationships are squared up, I think El's going to be fine with Max
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I think it'll be an issue for the first couple episodes, and then they will develop a genuine liking and respect for one another---especially since Max and Lucas seem to have a thang goin' on and is no longer a romantic threat to Mike and Eleven's relationship.
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It felt much more like a high school movie than the first and Max and her brother felt utterly useless.
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I don't think so. Now that the relationships are squared up, I think El's going to be fine with Max
Agreed.
I also liked how the Doc was setup to look like a total douche - and still part of the 'evil' DoE, and during the climactic events, he was just as much the hero as Samwise. It's still unclear to me how he survived - did he slip on the stairs or something?
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Finished this up over the weekend. Love the characters on this show, don't always think the story nails it - but I could happy watch most of these characters just chatting for 7 episodes! Steve was my MVP of this second series. Lost his spot as Top Jock, lost his Girl, took a Hollywood style beatdown - but still came out of the season as a really likeable guy, his stuff with Dustin was Gold.
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:iagree:... Steve was the guy that I found most interesting, and evolved the most beyond S1. Everyone else was the exact same character (not that it's a bad thing). Hopper had a bit of an interesting twist by being 11's caretaker - and developing some feelings for her - but otherwise, there weren't that many surprises from any of the returning characters. It's a good thing they threw in Bob/Bill/Max/The Doctor for some 'freshness'.
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They didn't really have anything for Mike to do in this season. Distin and Lucas both had there own stories, and Will was very much the focus point of the main plot, then there was Mike just there in the background pining for El to comeback.
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They didn't really have anything for Mike to do in this season. Distin and Lucas both had there own stories, and Will was very much the focus point of the main plot, then there was Mike just there in the background pining for El to comeback.
Which I was ok with, since Mike was clearly the focus of the four of them in S1. It's hard to shine the spotlight on so many characters. I was actually ok with it being someone different in S2. I can see Dustin and/or Lucas getting the spotlight in S3.
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But my girlfriend and I are in agreement that if Nancy ever gets killed, we won't cry about it :lol She's the Felicity Smoak (Arrow) of this show
Dude... Lana Lang from Smallville. That girl has a concussion in EVERY episode. Drs should be studying her brain for the most extrememe cases of CTE :rollin
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My only criticism is with episode 7 and the whole 008 storyline. I wasn’t mad keen on it in general, but I think this may have worked better being interspersed into other episodes. Dedicating a whole episode to it seemed a bit unnecessary.
Here comes the spinoff!
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I don't binge these shows, so it took me a couple weeks to finish the season. I had heard all the uproar about the teenage actress playing Max being "forced to do an unscripted kiss. When it finally came in the last episode, it made no sense. First off, to call that a kiss is a gross overstatement. She head-butted him and the opposite corners of their mouths touched. Oh, how controversial! :mehlin Then 5 seconds later, Mike and El kiss. The whole season, Mike was essentially waiting for the return of El. When she finally showed up at Will's, it was this emotional reconnection that lead to Mike lashing out at Hopper. When Mike's sitting at the dance all alone as everyone else is getting close on the dance floor, and El walked in, it was again this emotional connection between the two. The kiss that they shared should have been the culmination of them trying to get to each other the entire season, this great emotional connection between the two of them. INSTEAD, the entire dance scene came off as a bunch of 13 year olds doing what 13 year olds do... awkwardly have no control over their urges.
So, not only do I find the UNSCRIPTED Max/Lucas kiss to not be controversial, it was a stupid creative decision that completely ruined the impact of the SCRIPTED kiss. I honestly don't know how someone at that level could make such an AWFUL creative decision.
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You definetely have a point, but I wouldn’t say it was AWFUL.
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Finished it. Not bad, not great. Enjoyable moments, and some very redundant filler. I really think they're just milking it at this point and it's pretty clear that while they may have had some scraps and bits of a story to tell for another season, it certainly wasn't fleshed out and I'm going to go out on a really thin limb and say that Netflix pushed very hard to get this out quicker than the brothers intended.
It doesn't have to do with the first season coming out of nowhere or it being some magical bull. It's pretty simple in that it was concise and concentrated, knew exactly what story it wanted to tell and made a conscious effort to tell that story in a meaningful way in a fairly limited amount of time, as most seasons of that length do with either fantastic results or very bad results.
I don't think S2 was bad but it was a far cry from what the original intended to do and that is pretty clear in it's execution and how meandering some of the episodes are, especially in regards to character development and who they choose to focus on.
I'll no doubt check out S3 at some point, even if it's just as a boredom killer, but it's super disappointing to see what could have been something truly original and special more or less degrade at least partially thanks to greed. Netflix is known for this though so I suppose it shouldn't be all that surprising.
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You definetely have a point, but I wouldn’t say it was AWFUL.
I only use that word because it felt like a moment that was building since the end of season 1, and could have been a very impactful moment. It's just feel like that was lost in the moment due to an unscripted creative decision that undid a very emotional plot point that was initially well thought out and presented by the writers.
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https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/932370869506138112
was reminded of how Mr.Wheeler reminds me of Mr. Weir Freaks and Geeks.
someone should make a mashup of the 2 of them, and also I'm hoping that some of the Freaks and Geeks cast show up at some point, even just as cameos. Although Wil Wheaton was I guess talked about appearing in Stranger Things 2, but it didn't work out.
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We did not binge watch over a weekend as we did Season 1. Instead, it took us about three weeks for this season. I try to watch it just as light entertainment that is pretty well developed. And then we watch the last two episodes. Holy crap! That was intense!
Episode 7 reminded us of Breaking Bad's 'The Fly' episode. That seemed out of place as well, and then they come at you with both barrels. We liked the pace of this season (again). Also glad that after a bunch of 1980-81 tunes, that some from '84 were played......and yeah, hearing Queen's 'Hammer To Fall' was a nice touch for us ;)
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We did not binge watch over a weekend as we did Season 1. Instead, it took us about three weeks for this season. I try to watch it just as light entertainment that is pretty well developed. And then we watch the last two episodes. Holy crap! That was intense!
Episode 7 reminded us of Breaking Bad's 'The Fly' episode. That seemed out of place as well, and then they come at you with both barrels. We liked the pace of this season (again). Also glad that after a bunch of 1980-81 tunes, that some from '84 were played......and yeah, hearing Queen's 'Hammer To Fall' was a nice touch for us ;)
Yes - I thought the same. After the episode finished I turned to the wife and said "filler!".
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My friend and I are bemused by the hate towards episode 7. We both thought it was great.
People are weird.
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I did as well. I don't think it would make sense for Eleven to give up her quest for family and return to her friends if she didn't find out that the grass wasn't greener. I liked the episode.
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My friend and I are bemused by the hate towards episode 7. We both thought it was great.
I did as well. I don't think it would make sense for Eleven to give up her quest for family and return to her friends if she didn't find out that the grass wasn't greener. I liked the episode.
Plus, I don't think that's the last we will see of her 'sister'. I think you needed that introductory episode with her and Elle/Jane for better continuity when she shows up down the line.
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My friend and I are bemused by the hate towards episode 7. We both thought it was great.
People are weird.
I don't think too many people hate it, but it just seemed very out of place. I thought it was a great episode, but just from another show or something. It was like a backdoor pilot in the middle of a tight run.
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The GF and I took our time and finished a few nights ago. It was solid, but nothing amazing. Thought the first season was better, more intrigue then and now the storyline is a bit convoluted. I had no issue with the episode 7. Was also glad someone with a bigger role actually died, need some suspense in this show and they really don't have it since everyone feels safe although his death seemed pretty obvious when he stepped up to the plate and manned up unlike what his character appeared to have been in the past.
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Started watching Season one about a week and a half ago. Finished season 2 on Wednesday night. Incredible show! Loved everything about it. Can't wait for season 3.
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Sesame Street parody....Sharing Things....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npcqBt_e4k0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npcqBt_e4k0)
There are some S2 spoilers, just an fyi.
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This show was not on my radar. I had heard a few things here and there, but nothing to really draw me in. But my sister was hyping it over Thanksgiving, and me and my wife, my boys, my sister, and my niece and nephew ended up binge watching the first season Friday and Saturday night. Just...wow. Lots of really good things to say about it. There were definitely things about it that bugged me as well. But overall, really good. It managed to catch the '80s vibe incredibly well, whether through the music, the clothes (without being over the top), the cars, Winona in a lead role, or what have you. And I loved that it constantly reminded me of some of the best '80s films without crossing the line and feeling like they were trying to hard (I probably got the strongest callbacks to Stand By Me, Poltergeist, and E.T., as well as having the spirit of Stephen King all over the place without feeling like they were referencing any specific King story).
I read the beginning of the thread, but stopped where the studio had been dropping information about the then-forthcoming season 2. I will stay out of the thread until we watch that. Not sure when, but I am sure we will see all sometime between now and then end of the New Year break.
A few thoughts and theories about the story after just seeing Season 1 one time. Some of this may have actually been explained in season 1 and we just missed it. Some may be proven or disproven in season 2. I have no idea. Just throwing some things out there that I was thinking about and some things I discussed with the wife and kids.
So...it seems like the main portal between the Upside Down and here is what was opened at the lab, and is fed and kept open by some big power source there. Unless we were intentionally misled, I think that much is pretty clear. What wasn't clear, at least to us, is how the small portals that opened and closed (like the one in the tree that Nancy went through) worked. And, related to that (or not?), is how the monster crossed over by more or less making its own portals and smashing through walls. Again, not sure whether there was actually more info than I gleaned through a first viewing, or whether this is all explained better in season 2, but here is my main theory as to how it works. My son was asking whether the monster creates the other portals. Could be, but I don't think so. I think the smaller portals appear and disappear more or less on their own in the area close by Hawkins Lab because that area is in close proximity to the power source and/or the main "rip" between realms. I think maybe power fluctuations or something like that cause them to open and close, and the monster sometimes finds them and comes through. Using the analogy of the paper that the high school teacher used, I think where we have the "main tear" at the portal, the "paper" is weaker close to that point, and as the "paper" flexes and moves, other holes open and close nearby. Kind of related to that, because the "paper" is weaker at that point, I think the monster is able to sometimes break through at points fairly near the main portal, but probably not other places. And the reason it likely chooses to do so at times, I think, is because it can hear (and possibly see) others making loud noises on the other side in places close to that main portal, just as Joyce and Hopper could in the last episode when they were in the Upside Down. So, reality is distorted and the boundary between here and the Upside Down is weaker and tends to fluctuate close to the main portal, which enables a fluctuating ability to cross back and forth in the area close to the main portal, which weakens and disappears the farther away you go. That's my best theory anyway.
So...is Eleven alive? At first, I assumed she had to be gone. There's just too much that wouldn't work about her trying to assimilate into the real world that it seemed best anyway. But I assumed she really died. I thought Hopper leaving food was basically a memorial. But then I began second guessing that, and I think she must be alive, and that he knows it.
Is the monster alive? I don't know. But I don't think it matters. I wasn't sure whether the snakelike thing they removed from Will's throat was another living thing, or whether it was basically a feeding/breathing mechanism to keep him alive while another one spawned or something. But I think either way, the hint has been dropped that there are (or soon will be) more of them. And if not, there are (or soon will be) other creatures from the Upside Down that are going to create problems.
Steve. Hated him. But it was cool that he had more or less of a redemption arc. He seemed obviously genuinely sorry and changed by everything, which seems to have put him on a good path instead of the very bad one he was on. I like that. I hope he stays on that better path.
Will. Was what he saw at the end of the last episode a hallucination? Was it real? If it was real, what does it mean? And does he understand what is happening, or is he afraid and in denial? If he has part of the Upside Down that is now a part of him, does he have a special connection with the Upside Down that will allow him to connect with El, open and close portals, or other stuff? I have no idea.
Anyhow, see you all in a few weeks once I get caught up. :D
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Wow, no discussion? :tdwn Oh well...
So, started season 2 over the weekend. Got through episode 4. Some brief thoughts:
-The positive: This far in, it is pretty clear that the writers have done a really nice job of crafting a credible follow up that manages to take everything that made the first season good and raise the stakes without feeling like the writers just fell into the trap of having to one-up their prior work without having any substance behind it. Season 1 was awesome because it was fresh, but also because the story was solid. Season 2 can't have that newness and originality that season 1 had. But it is just as solid, if not moreso. The '80s nostalgia remains strong, and feels even more on point.
-The negative: Not much. The only major thing is, I was hoping that now that the show is a success and more mainstream, they would have been able to resist the urge to make the characters so "edgy" with all the gratuitous, over-the-top profanity and bad behavior. Not only is it not necessary, but it makes the characters more a parody of what people nowadays think about the '80s than what the '80s actually were.
Anyhow, good story on its own. But, as with season 1, there is a lot of deep symbolism that adds a lot of layers and makes it rewarding to watch and draw connections beyond just following the plot (as if just following this awesome plot isn't enough fun in and of itself). I love how pretty much EVERYTHING is symbolic, no matter how seemingly innocuous it may seem when first introduced. Dig Dug forshadowing what is going on beneath Hawkins, for example. This is pretty fantastic. I have this dilemma right now of wanting to rush through and finish, while at the same time, wanting to take my time and savor the show. Part of me really wants to drag it out. After all, it can't possibly remain this good for multiple seasons after season 2, can it? Can it?
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I had a feeling season 2 would answer a lot of your questions. I still don't think we know what exactly the Upside Down is, or the monster. There's deeper insight into the connection with Will. Obviously you've gotten some answers about 11at this point. I think I'm pleased with where Steve ends up in the story.
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When you finish season 2, I'd be curious to know your thoughts on Billy, Max, Steve's evolution, Eleven, and Will.
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I still don't think we know what exactly the Upside Down is, or the monster.
But as much as we all probably think we WANT to know those things, do we NEED to? Will it make the story better or worse? Sometimes, we just don't need to know, and it's better when the menace remains shrouded in mystery. (xenomorphs, I'm looking at you)
When you finish season 2, I'd be curious to know your thoughts on Billy, Max, Steve's evolution, Eleven, and Will.
I'm almost more curious to know what my feelings on Samwise Gamgee will be. :lol He unknowingly really screwed up Will by offering his advice on how to handle things he is not able to understand. I have mixed feelings on that. On one hand, he's a buffoon who makes things worse because he's too eager to fit into this role that he wants in his life. On the other hand, how could he possibly know that there are things going on that are a lot bigger than the world he lives in?
As for the others you mention, I'm curious too. Billy is a bit of an enigma. Aside from giving sound basketball advice to Steve, he comes across as a complete tool and a psycho, but with a lot more going on beneath the surface than has been revealed so far. But as much as I dislike him, I'm reminded that I disliked Steve just as much, but that he had a rather admirable redemption arc in season one that completely turned his character around.
Speaking of Steve, I'm not entirely sure where I stand with him. I still admire him for his ability to confront his own faults and turn things around in season 1. And I kind of feel sorry for him for what he is going through in the first half of season 2. I'm kind of annoyed by his emotional immaturity in dealing with Nancy and taking her drunken ramblings at the party too personally. But then again, I have to remind myself that he's a kid, and one that was coming from a pretty self-centered place. He just isn't equipped yet to handle that sort of thing with more maturity and grace, so I shouldn't expect that of him. He's also not as equipped to fully understand and appreciate what Nancy and Jonathan were and are going through, so I sort of give him a pass on that end as well. But that last point also saddens me a bit too because it makes me feel that Nancy and Steve are somewhat doomed as a couple anyway. Nobody is really equipped to understand her and deal with her stuggles over Barb and the Upside Down other than Jonathan.
I really like Max and hope she becomes an actual and permanent "member of the party." I don't see how she won't, unless something tragic happens to her. But there seems to be something deep and mysterious about her and Billy's background, and I'm not sure what it is. Are they also part of the experiments that created Eleven and Eight (and, presumably, at least 9 others with powers)?
Anyhow, I'm just rambling. It's cool that there is so much to chew on here.
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#justiceformews
I love this comment from a user at AVClub:
Dustin’s dumb decision makes sense if you accept that he really wants life to be like E.T., and this episode underlines how the show is trying to draw a line between fantasy-weird and reality-weird: You might want the fantastical creature hiding in the closet to be your lifelong companion, but it’s probably just eating your cat.
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#justiceformews
I love this comment from a user at AVClub:
Dustin’s dumb decision makes sense if you accept that he really wants life to be like E.T., and this episode underlines how the show is trying to draw a line between fantasy-weird and reality-weird: You might want the fantastical creature hiding in the closet to be your lifelong companion, but it’s probably just eating your cat.
Dustin's nonplussed reaction to losing his cat was the thing that annoyed me most about season 2.
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#justiceformews
I love this comment from a user at AVClub:
Dustin’s dumb decision makes sense if you accept that he really wants life to be like E.T., and this episode underlines how the show is trying to draw a line between fantasy-weird and reality-weird: You might want the fantastical creature hiding in the closet to be your lifelong companion, but it’s probably just eating your cat.
Dustin's nonplussed reaction to losing his cat was the thing that annoyed me most about season 2.
Did he have a relationship with the cat? Im not sure it was made clear he had a connection to it and it seemed more to be his mother's pet and loved animal. I kind of figured he really didn't care for the cat and hence his non emotional response to the eating.
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#justiceformews
I love this comment from a user at AVClub:
Dustin’s dumb decision makes sense if you accept that he really wants life to be like E.T., and this episode underlines how the show is trying to draw a line between fantasy-weird and reality-weird: You might want the fantastical creature hiding in the closet to be your lifelong companion, but it’s probably just eating your cat.
Dustin's nonplussed reaction to losing his cat was the thing that annoyed me most about season 2.
Did he have a relationship with the cat? Im not sure it was made clear he had a connection to it and it seemed more to be his mother's pet and loved animal. I kind of figured he really didn't care for the cat and hence his non emotional response to the eating.
Maybe as a cat lover (not like that...) I just found his nonplussed reaction unrealistic, I think it would have been better if they'd made it a stray cat/dog, because even as a 40 year old bloke I still find the loss of a family pet really, really tough.
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How was he "nonplussed?" To me, he seemed reasonably shocked, but that was overshadowed by his sense of, "Oh, crap! I need to handle this before mom (1) finds out, or (2) becomes a snack herself." At least, that's what I took from eps. 4 and 5 together.
Anyhow, I had to take a break from this because I just didn't have the time. I just watched ep. 5 last night. This episode was so rewarding and so frustrating on so many levels. The show's ability to constantly promise resolution of issues, but then semi-deliver at a level where you don't feel cheated, but everything still isn't resolved, is one of its cool strengths.
On another note, I was thinking about getting this as an additional Christmas present for my son: https://www.amazon.com/Hawkins-Middle-School-Sweatshirt-Hoodie/dp/B01M5J54FC/ref=cts_ap_2_vtp?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=2897711222&pf_rd_r=817a866a-e0e6-11e7-8413-93d9fb3ae34e&pd_rd_wg=Ww0n9&pf_rd_s=desktop-detail-softlines&pf_rd_t=40701&pd_rd_i=B01MQCHLIL&pd_rd_w=RiNTX&pf_rd_i=desktop-detail-softlines&pd_rd_r=817a866a-e0e6-11e7-8413-93d9fb3ae34e&_encoding=UTF8&th=1&psc=1
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Very cool. I like this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M2CQY4S/ref=sspa_dk_detail_9?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B01M2CQY4S&pd_rd_wg=brVVi&pd_rd_r=RZ1CKG8Q9XF9VM1XHY43&pd_rd_w=G5DuH
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Yeah, I saw that one as well. It is pretty cool, especially little touches like the upside down bike. The only problem is, it is pretty season-specific. The one I linked to, you can wear pretty much anytime.
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Space Knife. :metalol:
The Spy simultaneously pissed me off and was one of the best episodes of the series.
Back to Dart and Dustin for just a second. 3 episodes left in season 2, and I've been able to stay spoiler free as I've been viewing. So I'm curious--was anyone here actually surprised when Dart turned out to be basically a baby "demogorgon?" I mean, yeah, we didn't see his face open up until he ate the cat. But wasn't it obvious to everybody in the world? But interesting how the end of The Spy changed my perspective a bit on a few things related to that. The demogorgon in season 1 was scary. But at the same time, it seemed somewhat limited in the harm it could inflict. It skulked around in the shadows and picked people off when they were alone or in small groups. But even Nancy, Jonathan, and Steve were able to do major damage and keep it at bay with their traps. In season 2, it didn't seem that that scary a creature, because now we have a growing group of people that are prepared for it. So the one Dustin had seemed like more of a relatively minor threat, even assuming it would reach maturity at some point.
The other thing that had changed prior to this is that I was pissed off at Dustin's stupidity. He isn't a dumb kid. But "minor threat" or not, the thing was going to be a problem, and he would then be at fault for not recognizing that threat and at least trying to kill it while he still could.
The last few minutes of The Spy changed all that. Seeing the shadow creature orchestrate the killing off of an entire group of Hawkins Lab red shirts was pretty chilling. These things aren't even full grown, and they can do that with ease. They are clearly NOT a "minor threat" at all. And in a way, that same revelation kind of let Dustin off the hook for me somewhat. I mean, if Dart isn't the only one of those things, then his stupidity really isn't to blame for a bunch of them now running amok. Dart is only one of many, so it doesn't really matter.1
1 And part of me, although it is admittedly a part of me that has VERY poor judgment for what actually makes a GOOD story vs. a bad one, kind of secretly hopes that Dart feels some sort of connection to Dustin and saves him and the gang from some harm at some point. How dumb would that be? But I can't help myself.
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Back to Dart and Dustin for just a second. 3 episodes left in season 2, and I've been able to stay spoiler free as I've been viewing. So I'm curious--was anyone here actually surprised when Dart turned out to be basically a baby "demogorgon?" I mean, yeah, we didn't see his face open up until he ate the cat. But wasn't it obvious to everybody in the world?
It was obvious that it would grew and become more dangerous, but I didn't realize it was an actual Demogorgon.
I've just finished watching the whole Season 2 so DO NOT READ FURTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL WATCHING IT!
I liked it quite a lot. It's not perfect of course, but the good enough things about the show are really that good to let you completely enjoy it. I've liked Season 1 very much, but it's not that I couldn't live without it and I was in feverish anticipation of Season 2, but the moment I started to watch it, I was immediately drawn again to the Hawkins world. The characters, the atmosphere, the music... there's something about this show that just hits it and makes it immensely captive to watch.
Like Season 1, it was as low burn. The "OH SHITSHITSHITSHIT" moments come in the latter part of the season (like the end of episode 4 if I remember back in season 1, with Will's fake body discovered), but when it happens, you just can't stop watching.
The cast of kids is the heart and soul of the show, and it's a match made in heaven. Give a Emmy to the casting department for the kids, they struck GOLD, especially with Will's actor since all he needed to do was being a lost kid in Season 1, but now had to be a possessed kid screaming with rage and fear. Outstanding work from the kid.
Also, I want to submerge El with hugs until she has problems breathing. Once again an absolute talent of a young actress creates an adorable and compelling character that you just can't avoid to love, and how bad I want her to be happy, smiling, and full of Eggos whenever she wants it.
Like read earlier in the thread and on comments on the web, they should have totally swapped episodes 7 and 6. You can't just have the biggest "FFFUUUUUU" cliffhanger of the seasons, the Demodogs crawling out of the lab, being followed an entire detour episode. It would have worked way better to have El's training on Dagobah (Search your feelings. You know it to be true) first, with us going WTF at the scene of Mike yelling that it's a trap (What it's happening? why? OMG I wanna know), and then seeing it unfold in the FOLLOWING episode and realizing it only when it was too late - just like the characters in the situation - would have been waaaayyy better.
And what about the conspiracy guy basically encouraging underage kids to have sex? pretty sure the creep had an hidden camera somewhere.
This season was Steve's redemption. I've read that he was meant to be a total asshole (and boy, what an unforgivable thing was to slut shame Nancy by vandalizing public property), but the authors loved the actor so much that they turned him around, boy did he came around this year - and after all it's only logical that boys grow up and mature. His total dickish teenager role has been given to Billy evidently (Metalhead moment: wasn't Metallica an unknown underground band known only to "true" metalheads back in 1984? Billy, who's definitively not a metalhead even though he listens to Scorpions, had a Kill 'em All poster in his room).
The two final episodes were breathtaking and awesome. Cruel of them to kill off Samwise Gamgee in that horror movies cliches fest. Poor guy. Remember Bob the hero. And Barb got justice, yay!!!
Only fear for season 3... that they're walking on thin ice story wise, this was essentially a retelling of Season 1's plot. But the cast of kids is worth alone an entire season of them being young kids fooling around. And I hope Nancy's mother gets some side action :lol
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Tempted to read that, but I won't. I still have the last 2 episodes to go. Watched through The Lost Sister last weekend. My wife had fallen asleep, so she rewatched that one last night, and I caught the first half or so again as I was drifting off.
**Spoilers through The Lost Sister below**
I have made sure to stay away from spoilers. But there is a contributor on AVClub.com named Emily L. Stephens who writes an episode-by-episode blog that is quite good. I have really enjoyed going to each entry as I finish an episode and reading, not only her very well-written reviews, but also the comments and discussion. And people there tend to be good about not spoiling, so that's cool. As I understand is the case around the Internet, people there were quite divided about The Lost Sister. Some absolutely hated it. Some thought it was "fine." VERY few seem to have actively liked it. Aside from the general difference in tone, a common issue even among those who thought it was okay is that the gang just seemed like a bunch of cardboard cutouts with no real motivation in general, and certainly no motivation about going out and helping Kali go out and kill. That is one of the issues I myself had. But as I watched that episode again, I softened a bit on that. There is a brief section where Kali is introducing the gang and what they do, and she points out that they all are rejects that were cast off by society, and that the people they go after have hurt the specific members of the gang (not just Kali) in some way. There isn't much more given than that. But hearing that again in context of having seen the episode, I think it worked more than I initially felt it did. Yeah, the details are VERY vague, but we DO get a bit of explanation for why the others in the gang are doing what they are doing instead of "just because." And I guess I just feel like the show has earned enough emotional capitol that I don't have TOO much trouble buying that.
My general thoughts on the episode were that, while it is easily the worst single episode of both seasons, it wasn't bad. I don't hate it. And it does definitely help serve the purpose of Jane's (I hate not calling her El now) arc and development in a few big ways OTHER than simply completing her journey out of Hopper's cabin and back to the gang in Hawkins. (1) There was some definite emotional growth and self-discovery, even if it may not appear very profound at this point and, in some senses, may have come about in kinda dumb ways; (2) It gave her a new perspective about how her friends need her; (3) It unlocked a barrier in her learning how to up her game with her powers, which, for better or worse, is necessary to defeat the shadow monster; and (4) It served as a reminder of why, as much as we might wish otherwise, Jane simply CANNOT lead a normal life because, even if we can somehow come to terms with all the other stuff, she killed a bunch of people. So even though the episode felt in a lot of ways like the series was just treading water and taking a completely unnecessary diversion, it actually accomplished a lot. In fact, in some ways, I think it may have actually accomplished more than some other single episodes this season. That still doesn't make me love it. But I am okay with it.
So, here's where I think we are going in the final two episodes. Again, I haven't read any spoilers, so to the extent I am correct, if at all, it is just from deducing things based on what has been done so far. A good deal of this is likely to be wrong. But whatever. I think Jane has to do two things. First, she has to "exorcise" the shadow monster from Will. Second, she has to shut the gate. Earlier this season, I don't think she would have been able to figure out how to amp up her powers sufficiently to do either. This is why I think The Lost Sister is important. She had her "Luke, size matters now; now lift the stupid X-wing!" moment, and she will need that to accomplish both of those. We also got some insight into how her powers work. It isn't about trying harder, or focusing harder, or something like that. It is about invoking a strong emotion, and channeling her power through that. Kali had her use anger. That could work here. But I'm not sure there will be anything she could get that angry about to accomplish what she needs to accomplish that would feel emotionally satisfying. Maybe Billy threatens the entire gang in some real, tangible way, and that somehow is enough? (and gives him at least SOMETHING more than just the cardboard stereotype he has been so far) Or maybe she taps a completely different emotion, and it ends up being her LOVE for the gang that she is able to use to level up her powers and do what needs to be done. Either way, The Lost Sister appears to be important for that reason.
Of course, if she casts the shadow monster out of Will and closes the gate (which I don't see as even possibly not happening), then how do we possibly leave things open for a season 3? I was thinking that maybe Hopper is also now "infected" with the upside down after the time he spent down in the tunnels. When he got sprayed in the face twice before passing out, it looked like that was some kind of spore, maybe not too unlike the alien spores in Alien: Covenant. It would not surprise me to see him cough up a slug in the season 2 epilogue just like we saw happen to Will at the end of season 1.
Anyhow, I am eager to see how close or how completely off base I am. My son finishes finals today. We will probably watch tomorrow night, or Friday at the latest.
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NOT SPOILERISH REPLY TO YOUR LAST COMMENT
You're in for a treat with the last two episodes! :metal excellent stuff.
I copy and paste a comment from my post above since it's about episodes you've seen:
Like read earlier in the thread and on comments on the web, they should have totally swapped episodes 7 and 6. You can't just let the biggest "FFFUUUUUU" cliffhanger of the seasons, the Demodogs crawling out of the lab, followed by an entire detour episode. It would have worked way better to have El's training on Dagobah (Search your feelings. You know it to be true) first, with us going WTF at the scene of Mike yelling that it's a trap (What it's happening? why? OMG I wanna know), and then seeing it unfold in the FOLLOWING episode and realizing it only when it was too late - just like the characters in the situation - would have been waaaayyy better.
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The only problem with that is that having it in this order, you get a true emotionally-poignant moment of El hearing Hopper's message to her. That couldn't have happened in the order you suggest. I'm okay having the delayed cliffhanger payoff.
But going back to the cliffhanger itself...the sound effect is really subtle and understated, so I can't tell if it is what I think it is. But is that basically the shadow monster laughing as it springs the trap? It sounds like laughing, which is really chilling (and brilliantly so).
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Finally finished season 2 last night. Really strong ending. Curious to see where they go in season 3. Don't understand the kiss controversy. It's like everyone forgot what it was like to be in middle school. Could have done with out episode 7 but a very minor gripe for an otherwise amazing show.
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Another thing that rang true was Dustin being shunned by the other girls. Call me bitter 'cause as a young teen I was most definitively not handsome in any kind of way, but I'm sick of the Hollywood trope of the nerdy / outsider guy getting the hot girl. It - just - doesn't - happen.
All things that make Dustin loveable are there for us, the viewers, and not for the girls of his age at the ball. It's only logical that they wouldn't care to dance with the weird kid that got teeth late and dresses up as a Ghostbuster and hangs around always with his weird friends and the "zombie boy". Good job from Nancy to save the day and make him feel important.
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(Metalhead moment: wasn't Metallica an unknown underground band known only to "true" metalheads back in 1984? Billy, who's definitively not a metalhead even though he listens to Scorpions, had a Kill 'em All poster in his room).
Not only that, but the scene where he was getting ready to go out and his dad came in and confronted him, he was listening to Metallica.
Finally finished season 2 last night. Really strong ending.
Me too! :D Some thoughts:
Coming into the last two episodes, I had been thinking that as much as I enjoyed season 2 thus far, it was good, but not as good as season 1. There were a lot of things I liked. But some that just didn't work, and season 2 just seemed to spin its wheels for awhile setting up the inevitable big showdown at the end. But these last two episodes were SO good that I felt like they really took season 2 up a notch and put it right up there with season 1. And what is cool to me is that much of that comes from the little, seemingly inconsequential details that, in the end, were very rewarding.
One such detail was when they were in the house, weapons drawn, waiting for the demodogs to crash in on them, and we see Lucas with his wrist rocket locked and loaded, and looking deadly serious. That was SUCH a cool visual on so many levels, and I love that they did that.
Another was Will communicating through Morse code. Kids back then knew Morse code, especially nerds who spent their time playing D&D, so it totally rang true. And it was a very clever way of (1) calling back to how Will communicated with the lights in season 1 to spell words, and (2) having him communicate in such a way that the mind flayer wouldn't have picked up on, but everybody else would. And also, juxtaposed on top of that, you had a brilliant way of getting a ton of backstory exposition about the characters in this scene that was very emotional. Just...SO well done.
Steve: Really nice character development for him this season. I REALLY like what they did with him. The fight with Billy was really cool, too. He unflinchingly stood his ground to protect the kids simply because it was the right thing to do, knowing that he was outmatched and likely to lose. And...he did lose in the end, which was the realistic way to play it. And even after that, he didn't shy away from his responsibility to protect the kids when they went down into the tunnels. He's...kinda what you would want/expect of a kid that age in that plenty of growing and maturing to do, and had some serious character flaws that you would expect someone that age to have, but he also was beginning to make some really good choices and show that he had a lot in him that could make him an exemplary young man.
Dart: Called it! :D
Another thing that rang true was Dustin being shunned by the other girls. Call me bitter 'cause as a young teen I was most definitively not handsome in any kind of way, but I'm sick of the Hollywood trope of the nerdy / outsider guy getting the hot girl. It - just - doesn't - happen.
All things that make Dustin loveable are there for us, the viewers, and not for the girls of his age at the ball. It's only logical that they wouldn't care to dance with the weird kid that got teeth late and dresses up as a Ghostbuster and hangs around always with his weird friends and the "zombie boy". Good job from Nancy to save the day and make him feel important.
Yup! LOVED that. It was done perfectly. I thought FOR SURE that one of the girls he asked was going to dance with him, and that would have been satisfying. The way it played out was even better. And it also really took Nancy's character, who annoyed me plenty at time, up a notch as well.
One last note: I made a prediction about defeating the mind flayer that ended up being wrong, but I'll drop it here anyway. I got the "heat" thing and expected that. But I also was pretty sure water would be involved. It seemed like they were dropping clues that it didn't like water. For instance, Master Samwise made a big point about the tunnel map going around water. I mean, I realize that for tunnels, there is a very practical reason why they can't easily go under a lake. But I thought the Duffers were dropping a hint that the mindflayer was avoiding water and didn't like it. That seemed to be reinforced by Will recoiling at the bath water earlier in the season, and seemed like a mirror/counterpoint to water being used to enhance El's abilities. It all seemed to fit so nicely that I was sure of it. :dunno: Oh well.
Not sure where season 3 is headed, but it wouldn't surprise me if Hopper and Dustin start coughing up slugs from getting sprayed in the face in the tunnels, and that that somehow gives the mind flayer a connection back to Hawkins to reopen the gate. I guess we'll see when we see. It's been a fun ride through season 2.
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Another was Will communicating through Morse code. Kids back then knew Morse code, especially nerds who spent their time playing D&D, so it totally rang true. And it was a very clever way of (1) calling back to how Will communicated with the lights in season 1 to spell words, and (2) having him communicate in such a way that the mind flayer wouldn't have picked up on, but everybody else would. And also, juxtaposed on top of that, you had a brilliant way of getting a ton of backstory exposition about the characters in this scene that was very emotional. Just...SO well done.
Excellent analysis! it's not that I didn't pick up on that, but having spelled it out so clearly makes me think even more fondly of the scene. I've read that him and Millie Bobby Brown are close friends, maybe they could capitalize on that and give them more scenes in Season 3. They hardly interacted with each other at all, so far.
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I remember reading that the creators originally planned on only doing 1 season but now have a 4 season arc planned. I also think Dustin is infected. Forgot about Hopper. I wonder if Will continue to be the "one" who the upside down continues to focus on.
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#JusticeForYertle
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I remember reading that the creators originally planned on only doing 1 season but now have a 4 season arc planned. I also think Dustin is infected. Forgot about Hopper. I wonder if Will continue to be the "one" who the upside down continues to focus on.
The kids are signed on for six more seasons and season three is rumored to premiere not until 2019, so it'll be interesting to see if it lasts that long. Bloodline was supposed to be 6+ seasons, but that went pear shaped...
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6 seasons? Eh.
I say give it 1-2 more. After that I fear it'll turn into Walking Dead where it's just going to be going.
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I think it will go for another season or two as well. People are going to lose interest, it doesn't come back for two more years (rumored), and the kids are going to grow up. I'm in the camp of season 2 being better than 1, but I don't see it continuing in that way
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Indeed the biggest obstacle is the kids growing up. They're what made this show special, otherwise it would have been another run of the mill scifi thing.
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Part of me wants to see the show move on from the kids being the focus and feels like it needs to grow outside of that for future seasons to be relevant. But another part of me feels like seeing them grow up over four seasons is a reward unto itself and that the show should go that direction. I think that is probably the best option.
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I've read that season 3 is most likely doing a time jump. All the kids and teens are older than they characters they portray, and they even had to dub Lucas' lines because at the end of the shooting process the kid had grown and his voice changed into a more mature tone.
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i started re-watching Season 1 with my two oldest sons. We're only (3) Episodes in but they are liking it a lot.
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Finally got around to watching season two, which I very much enjoyed. Need a Steve and Dustin spinoff ASAP
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Just binged Season 2. It took a couple episodes to get going, but overall I really enjoyed this season. Especially when Jane went badass punk. A force to be reckoned with.
Jane is an excellent character in my opinion and the reason why I like her is because she's not a Mary sue. She's isn't just immediately all powerful. Her powers start off weak and she has to practice them, and find ways to strengthen them. She goes through some heavy shit and overcomes adversity in believable ways and its cool how she's isn't nobody. She actually has a powerful backstory and her parental history actually makes for a stronger, more interesting and dynamic character.
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Yeah, but Snoke
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I've read that season 3 is most likely doing a time jump. All the kids and teens are older than they characters they portray, and they even had to dub Lucas' lines because at the end of the shooting process the kid had grown and his voice changed into a more mature tone.
This has to be adressed eventually. I mean, I don't watch much TV so I don't know how much it is done on shows but at the end of season 2 it's noticeable that they're past the age of the characters they're portraying. This shows up even more on the Steve/Nancy/Jonathan/Billy group. Nobody in High School looks that old :rollin
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Well, that has been the problem of mostly every movie ever. It's hard to come across so many young actors good enough, so they go for the older and more experienced ones.
That, coupled with cultural differences (being european I'm totally ignorant of how the american school system works and what are the counterparts of my system), makes me always at a complete loss to figure out which kind of school I'm watching and what I'm supposed to think of the age of the characters :lol
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https://www.tvguide.com/news/stranger-things-season-3-spoilers/
Despite what the link says, there aren't really spoilers. It's just a "what we know so far" collection of facts. I guess there are some "minor" spoilers, such as saying that a certain character and that character's group of friends are going to become more central. Stuff like that. But no details.
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https://www.tvguide.com/news/stranger-things-season-3-spoilers/
Despite what the link says, there aren't really spoilers. It's just a "what we know so far" collection of facts. I guess there are some "minor" spoilers, such as saying that a certain character and that character's group of friends are going to become more central. Stuff like that. But no details.
Thanks, bosk. Love the show, and hadn't really followed any chatter until clicking on this thread and link. Looking forward to season 3 next year!
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Starcourt Mall! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXyju7zFwyE
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Starcourt Mall! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXyju7zFwyE
Love it. Please tell me Scoops Ahoy was a real thing..
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Starcourt Mall! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXyju7zFwyE
Love it. Please tell me Scoops Ahoy was a real thing..
I never saw one out here on the West Coast. But you can get shirts here: https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/2898929-scoops-ahoy-visit-us-in-the-starcourt-mall?store_id=77092
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So...tomorrow is official Stranger Things Day, according to Netflix. I wonder if that means we will get some announcements about S3.
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Maybe it's about the video release of season 2?
https://www.target.com/p/stranger-things-season-2-blu-ray-dvd-digital/-/A-54140257
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I am about to start ep 4 season 1 and man, where have I been? This show it’s sooooo good!!! All the cast it’s doing a great job
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I am about to start ep 4 season 1 and man, where have I been? This show it’s sooooo good!!! All the cast it’s doing a great job
Enjoy! 4 and 5 really have a lot in common in terms of where the plot drives the characters. This isn't spoilery, but so true: A blog review I read said, "Almost no one does the sensible thing." :lol You'll understand soon enough.
This series is such an awesome slab of '80s nostalgia, with an infusion of great storytelling, great acting, and...just fun. And while it doesn't copy, it evokes moods and images from tons of '80s classics. I can think of plenty of specific moments that made me think of Goonies, Poltergeist, ET, Stand By Me, First Blood, and a bunch of others.
Post often and tell us what you think.
Curious to know your thoughts on: (1) best acting, and (2) favorite kid character. Mine would be Joyce (Winona) and...probably Lucas, although I liked Dustin a lot in season 1 as well.
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Couldn't start ep 4 as my kid needed some hlp with some task for his school. Will watch it later, so far my favorites and my wife favorites are:
Joyce and Dustin (for me)
Joyce and Lucas (for my wife)
Me and my wife already hate Steve. And we think that Eleven it's the cop daughter (coming eps will tell)
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You will hate Steve more. And then... So much more I could say. :biggrin:
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Finally, I just finished watching season 2. That was REALLY good. I love this show, and I am looking forward for S3
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I would like to go back and rewatch S1 and S2. But I'm not sure that is going to happen.
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I would like to go back and rewatch S1 and S2. But I'm not sure that is going to happen.
My kiddos just gave both another watch through. While I didn't watch each episode with intense concentration....I got the 'feel' for it again and cannot wait for Season 3. Really curious about what they're gonna do with the story.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfJk8wFOcDQ
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I'm so happy its coming out in July. I was worried we would have to wait until Halloween.
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Finally! I've been wondering when the trailer was going to drop. And just yesterday we had Toy Story 4, so this is a fun week so far :lol
I'm stoked for season 3, but I wonder if there's going to be another '11' episode like what they had in season 2. That was a definite low point of the season (and series at large) but it wasn't terrible - I just hope they approach it a bit differently. How? I dunno. Just make it more interesting, or at least don't devote an entire episode just to other mutants.
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Mixed feelings about it dropping in July. On one hand, the sooner the better. On the other hand, we will probably be too busy to watch it.
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As long as there's another shot of the Red Ranger lifting weights, smoking, and blasting Metallica, I'll be happy. Billy Badass! :metal :lol
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As long as there's another shot of the Red Ranger lifting weights, smoking, and blasting Metallica, I'll be happy. Billy Badass! :metal :lol
LOL I hate him as a character
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IT'S ALMOST HERE! :panicattack:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcnHOQ-cHa0
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I am ready.
:corn
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I am so hyped :corn
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That trailer it's PERFECT!
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You don't remember any single thing that happened in the past two seasons? don't worry, the kids from the cast take a break from hitting puberty to explain it to you in 15 minutes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpbWqiUy0YM
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IT'S BACK :dangerwillrobinson:
And it hasn't skipped a beat man...this show has a firm grasp of it's core feel, and it just doesn't let go.
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I'm a bit behind because I was suppose to be done with my rewatch by now but I have pretty much the whole season two left so i'll start the new season as soon as possible. I'm excited though!
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The ending angered me.
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I am ready.
(https://i.imgur.com/LcqfKKJ.jpg)
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Finished it up with the boys today. While I’ll agree with RJ’s sentiment that they have a firm grasp on their ‘core feel’.....they certainly do.....I personally felt like the this season was ‘ok’. It wasn’t bad or a let down per say but it just didn’t floor me. And I suppose I’m still holding it to S1 standards and that isn’t fair.
The story to me was ‘alright’....wasn’t bad but wasn’t overly creative either. All in all I’m satisfied with the season....it was entertaining and all....but I guess the ‘shine’ of the franchise has worn off a bit for me.
And......not to turn this into a P/R thread or go off on a tangent but the inference of lesbianism with the high school chic felt forced to me. There’d have been no issue with those two actually ‘getting together’ and allowing Steve to ‘find’ someone.....but I feel like the show took that storyline to satisfy the obligatory LGBT ‘shout out’ that nearly every show these days seems to need to do.
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The Neverending Story scene....I'm fucking crying I laughed so hard.
Now for the finale...
And finished....damn what an awesome ending, definitely a few manly tears were shed. Overall the season was a very, very slight step down, but the show holds court on top of most others. I think the one thing missing was a certain magical element. In S1 we had the xmas lights, in S2 we had the map all over the house. That item wasn't quite there. Curious to see where they go from here, but damn do I just love what they do all over. The scene of Eleven reading the letter was crushing.
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I powered through it last night, what a ride.
For me the show has always excelled in character interaction and this season was no exception, the story is also simple and straight enough to keep it entertaining throughout. I'm not sure I should be embarrassed or proud that I knew more than 95% of the songs used throughout the season.
I had fun watching the entire way and I think this season was a little stronger than season 2. Even though I would rate all seasons a 9/10 but in the end the ranking would be season 1, then 3 and 2.
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5 episodes into season 3
Reminds me how much it sucked having to sneak around trying make out and fool around as a teenager :lol
Besides that, Season 3 is pretty damn good so far.
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Just finished episode 1. Nancy's mom has got it going on. YOWZA.
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The first two episodes kind of felt like a (well executed) sitcom at times. But it was nice, the characters are great and their chemistry is well done. But episode 3 onwards is where the excitement kicked in for me. How all the plotlines escalate into the final act is really well done and suspenseful. Some parts reminded me of Jurassic Park, actually. The ending had a surprising emotional weight to it, it definitely got to me. I think season 3 is quite a bit better than season 2, but season 1 remains my favourite.
The first season offcourse has the advantage because as a viewer you are totally in the unknown and the mystery is more intriguing. But as sequels, they did both seasons 2 and 3 right. The focus on the characters is paying off. Instead of thinking up some new story where the old cast magically is involved in (what happens a lot in sequels), all situations are further escalations as a result of the events before. And how the characters are growing up feels on point as well, these children are really doing a great job and their chemistry is fantastic. Especially the actress of El pulls of some amazing scenes.
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And......not to turn this into a P/R thread or go off on a tangent but the inference of lesbianism with the high school chic felt forced to me. There’d have been no issue with those two actually ‘getting together’ and allowing Steve to ‘find’ someone.....but I feel like the show took that storyline to satisfy the obligatory LGBT ‘shout out’ that nearly every show these days seems to need to do.
I think it's more they're purposefully waiting until the last season to give him some one special. I wonder if this will mean they're NOT making Will gay?
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And......not to turn this into a P/R thread or go off on a tangent but the inference of lesbianism with the high school chic felt forced to me. There’d have been no issue with those two actually ‘getting together’ and allowing Steve to ‘find’ someone.....but I feel like the show took that storyline to satisfy the obligatory LGBT ‘shout out’ that nearly every show these days seems to need to do.
I think it's more they're purposefully waiting until the last season to give him some one special. I wonder if this will mean they're NOT making Will gay?
Maybe they’re waiting for the right person for Steve. My point is I think that any scenario of gay/lesbianism in this show feels forced and like it’s just there as a shout out. Especially with the younger characters. If it were the science teacher or even one of the Dads that’d be more realistic than them forcing it into one of these kids characters. Doesn’t fit at all and it feels like they’re just playing the PC appeasement card honestly.
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Just finished it. WOW!
Got choked up on that final episode during the last few sentences of the letter. Also, there's a post-credits scene, which I have a question about: The Russian guard says, "No, not the American" before taking the Russian prisoner to the Demogorgon. Clearly that line means something. Which American is it? Is it Murray? I don't remember seeing him after the US military finds him and Joyce.
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And......not to turn this into a P/R thread or go off on a tangent but the inference of lesbianism with the high school chic felt forced to me. There’d have been no issue with those two actually ‘getting together’ and allowing Steve to ‘find’ someone.....but I feel like the show took that storyline to satisfy the obligatory LGBT ‘shout out’ that nearly every show these days seems to need to do.
I think it's more they're purposefully waiting until the last season to give him some one special. I wonder if this will mean they're NOT making Will gay?
Maybe they’re waiting for the right person for Steve. My point is I think that any scenario of gay/lesbianism in this show feels forced and like it’s just there as a shout out. Especially with the younger characters. If it were the science teacher or even one of the Dads that’d be more realistic than them forcing it into one of these kids characters. Doesn’t fit at all and it feels like they’re just playing the PC appeasement card honestly.
SPOILERS.
I get that in the current climate of politics it feels forced, especially since studios love to advertise with "this character is gay!!!". But honestly, depending on the studies, around 1/20 to even 1/10 people are estimated to have gay feelings. I come from a country where acceptance has been relatively high, thus it is more common to express it, and it is common to meet gay teens. One of my best friends actually came out of the closet around the age these characters are in, and he already knew he was gay well before that. And unlike many stereotypes, my friend was dating women like a madman back in the day. Actually thought he was joking when he came out. So I personally liked seeing a character that wasn't all like "hey, look at me I'm gay!!" but more like "oh, I'm sorry but I am just not into guys as a response to flirting". That is how it happens in real life. As for the situation in this show, I actually know of people who have been in a similar situation as Steve was here in the past. So from my life experience, this did not feel forced.
Furthermore, in terms of writing, it means keeping them as a platonic duo, and their chemistry that way is great I think
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Just finished Season 3 and I loved it :heart
I was feeling a little bit of franchise fatigue after finishing season 2 and honestly wasn't really all that excited for Season 3, but man did they win me back. This season was deep and powerful, even had me tearing up in parts. Really incredible stuff and now I'm looking forward to more if or when it comes.
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3 episodes in, but I’m really enjoying it so far.
Mrs Wheeler! :o
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The Russian guard says, "No, not the American" before taking the Russian prisoner to the Demogorgon. Clearly that line means something. Which American is it? Is it Murray? I don't remember seeing him after the US military finds him and Joyce.
I think it’s Hopper. I don’t see any way that they’ve actually killed him off. He’s too popular of a character and integral to the show. somehow he survived or escaped.....I had initially thought maybe he got thrown back inside the upside down and that’d be a storyline for next season.....they have to enter to save him.....but I don’t see that they’ve actually killed his character off.
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Chris Stuckmann and a lot of other reviews have said the same thing.
I don't follow why they would kill him off unless David Harbour was requesting to leave the show like Michael McKean in Better Call Saul.
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I mean he got caught in an explosion that showed the bodies of Russians literally blowing apart. I like Hopper but if he did live through that he better really be messed up otherwise that's some super tv shenanigans
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I mean he got caught in an explosion that showed the bodies of Russians literally blowing apart. I like Hopper but if he did live through that he better really be messed up otherwise that's some super tv shenanigans
They showed the Russians on the control room side of the electro barrier get blown up. It’s not out of the question to think the very thing that kept him from being able to get back to safety also allowed him to live.
How he was ‘lost’ and not found by the Americans but found by the Russians is another story.
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I mean he got caught in an explosion that showed the bodies of Russians literally blowing apart. I like Hopper but if he did live through that he better really be messed up otherwise that's some super tv shenanigans
They showed the Russians on the control room side of the electro barrier get blown up. It’s not out of the question to think the very thing that kept him from being able to get back to safety also allowed him to live.
How he was ‘lost’ and not found by the Americans but found by the Russians is another story.
Oh, is that what they meant by "The American"?
Wow, I didn't even pick up on that. The Russians disappeared out of that base real quick.
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I was on ep 3 of the new season the other day. My grandson who's here for the summer from Pittsburgh caught glimpses and now is binge watching from season 1 beggining. I told him to hurry up and catch up :lol
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I mean he got caught in an explosion that showed the bodies of Russians literally blowing apart. I like Hopper but if he did live through that he better really be messed up otherwise that's some super tv shenanigans
They showed the Russians on the control room side of the electro barrier get blown up. It’s not out of the question to think the very thing that kept him from being able to get back to safety also allowed him to live.
How he was ‘lost’ and not found by the Americans but found by the Russians is another story.
Oh, is that what they meant by "The American"?
Wow, I didn't even pick up on that. The Russians disappeared out of that base real quick.
A part of me wonders if he jumped into the portal to "save" himself? :laugh:
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We finished watching on Sunday. I was a bit underwhelmed until I really thought back through the season. I think my initial viewing was colored by the fact that I'd just finished with season 2 of Dark on Netflix.
In retrospect:
The Great
- Steve, Robin, Erica, Dustin and when they were together engaging with just each other El and Max.
- Dr. Alexei and Woody Woodpecker
- Suzie the Mormon
- "There's no America, without Erica"
- The Neverending Story bit
- The Hospital attack
- The Sauna test
The Good
- Starcourt Mall
- The Russian wannabe Arnold (The volume of his footsteps was hilarious)
- The "Living in Stereo" music when Billy came strutting out
- Cary Elwes as Mayor Larry Kline
- Nancy's arch
-El reading Hop's speech
The Meh
- The first two episodes
- The Mind Flayer story
- Hopper's parenting
- The ending of the threat
The Annoying
- Any scene with Hop and Joyce constantly sniping and bitching at each other.
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The Russian at the last scene, the one that says Not the American, it’s the same Russian that Bold Eagle makes a joke with when they (Joyce, Hop and the good Russian) are about to go through the door where the bottles with the green substance is.
Given that he is the same Russian I am inclined to believe that the Russians escaped through the portal, as it was impossible for them to just “disappear “ from that facility. And knowing they have demodogs as pets it wouldn’t be mad to think they walked through the portal to the other side.
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The Meh
- The first two episodes
- The Mind Flayer story
- Hopper's parenting
- The ending of the threat
The Annoying
- Any scene with Hop and Joyce constantly sniping and bitching at each other.
There's nothing that bugs me more than when a series that has limited episodes....like this season being only (8)......spends two of them basically doing nothing, which is what happened in this season. Sure, there were things that happened and 'set up' stuff.....but it was nowhere near done in a way that was compelling. It was 'ho hum'.....and to me the first two episodes were just wasted time and what they accomplished could have been accomplished in one episode.
And the rest of these points I agree with 100%....which put this season in a tough position to battle back so to speak. It made a good effort and the season as a whole was entertaining....but as I said in my initial assessment....for me the shine and 'lore' of the show is gone....and it seems to be getting in its own way now.
I know a ton of people love this season and that is awesome....glad it worked for you guys. But for me it fell short a bit and is now just 'another' show I watch....nothing entirely special.
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What episodes did 'nothing' happen? That's curious...
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What episodes did 'nothing' happen? That's curious...
First two episodes were pretty boring. Outside of Billy being abducted by the mind flayer thing.....for me....they weren't very interesting. Very predictable and boring. But like I said....I get people have dug this season. My kids, my brother.....all really dug this season. I just thought it was pretty predictable and didn't have that 'spark' that S1 had. It was better than S2 IMO which is a good thing....but it's not in this 'elite' level that it once was in my eyes. It's just another enjoyable show to me now.
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Interesting. The first episode or two is supposed to set up the season. I believe in those first two episodes we saw Mike and Eleven's relationship advance, we saw Hopper grow into the overprotective dad role and his chemistry with Joyce developed, we saw the newly constructed Starcourt Mall where Steve's got a new job and we meet Robin. Then we see Billy get dragged into the Upside Down and struggle with that and Dustin and Steve start to uncover the whole secret Russian base and operation within the mall. I didn't see much predictability in there other than your usual 'start of season' stuff to set up the rest. (Not at all saying you're wrong for your opinions, just having fun discussing it.)
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Interesting. The first episode or two is supposed to set up the season. I believe in those first two episodes we saw Mike and Eleven's relationship advance, we saw Hopper grow into the overprotective dad role and his chemistry with Joyce developed, we saw the newly constructed Starcourt Mall where Steve's got a new job and we meet Robin. Then we see Billy get dragged into the Upside Down and struggle with that and Dustin and Steve start to uncover the whole secret Russian base and operation within the mall. I didn't see much predictability in there other than your usual 'start of season' stuff to set up the rest. (Not at all saying you're wrong for your opinions, just having fun discussing it.)
I get the need to set things up and that you can't just jump right into something. I just don't think all of which you stated needed two episodes to fulfill the 'set up' needs....especially when there are only (8) episodes in the season.
The predictability I speak of comes in when you pretty much knew after the second or third mention of them not believing that Dustin's girlfriend was real that she'd play a part in them beating or saving someone.....over that CB system. After about the second or third little argument Hopper and Joyce got in the vibe of one of them 'dying' was set...and with how Hopper/El/Joyce were going the common denominator was Hopper so you knew he was the sacrifice this season (although I don't think he's dead) Billy doing something to save/help the kids against the mind flayer thing was inevitable also.
I think I watch a TON of movies/TV/shows etc etc and one downside to that is that you notice there really aren't a lot of 'surprises' out there. all these stories/movies/shows carry the same template so to speak and honestly it's rare that I'm taken off guard or surprised when something happens in a show. That's not a 'braggy' thing that's just the way it is for me due to the amount of content I've watched. The cool and good ones just find fun, creative ways to to it. Which Stranger Things still does. It's a good show. I'm just nit picking it because I'm holding to to that S1 level of comparison.
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Yeah I guess that's it... I wasn't able to predict Suzie or the Hopper death at all. Maybe it's because I'm watching for the character interaction instead of trying to predict the future? I don't watch tons of TV so I guess I'm just not quick on the uptake with the tropes
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Yeah I guess that's it... I wasn't able to predict Suzie or the Hopper death at all. Maybe it's because I'm watching for the character interaction instead of trying to predict the future? I don't watch tons of TV so I guess I'm just not quick on the uptake with the tropes
Just some background.....me, my middle brother and my mom watch a LOT of TV/shows/etc etc. Over the years it became a bit of competition to 'figure out' the movie/show before it was over. The twists...tropes....whatever, we have/had this "battle" going forever. "When did you realize Christian Bale had a twin"..." "I knew Verbal Kent was Kaiser Soze when...".....It's just something I'm conditioned to do at this point....and honestly, I know it sucks some of the enjoyment out of the things I watch due to just what you mentioned. I can miss some of the nuances of character interaction or dismiss them without even noticing I did.
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I understand what you're saying. I'm kind of the same way with video games, it's so easy to tell when certain things will happen in the story because I've played so many. :biggrin:
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Yeah, I would think the American has to be Hopper. Who else could it be?? Overall the season was entertaining. I could have definitely done without the singing duet during the season climax. Me and my grandson were both like...WTF?
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Yeah, I would think the American has to be Hopper. Who else could it be?? Overall the season was entertaining. I could have definitely done without the singing duet during the season climax. Me and my grandson were both like...WTF?
There are a TON of people who loved it and thought it was a highlight of the season. And that’s the disconnect I have with the season I suppose....I am not one of those people. I didn’t care for it at all and don’t hold it in high esteem like I’m hearing it should be held?
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The singing was great :lol That felt like it was supposed to be, all the other characters listening along were reacting the same as me.
Spoilers in regards to Hopper:
I don't even watch that much films or series these days, but some elements are so common in blockbuster writing it becomes predictable.
For example, somewhat of a rule in film and tv shows is that when characters are planning something romantic ahead of a deadly situation, one of them will bite the dust. "When we are out of this deadly situation, we should date/marry/travel/whatever" and then one of them dies. Game of Thrones also did this the last season, for example. So I saw Hopper coming. But another rule is that when you don't see the death on screen up front, chances are very high the character is not dead. So I fully expect Hopper to return and we will likely see a flashback from his point of view. Wouldn't even be surprised if that is how season 4 starts.
But Stranger Things also kind of feels like a homage to 80's pop culture, and many of these cliches feel perfectly in place. And, well, some cliches just work, which is why they are used often.
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Yeah, I would think the American has to be Hopper. Who else could it be?? Overall the season was entertaining. I could have definitely done without the singing duet during the season climax. Me and my grandson were both like...WTF?
There are a TON of people who loved it and thought it was a highlight of the season. And that’s the disconnect I have with the season I suppose....I am not one of those people. I didn’t care for it at all and don’t hold it in high esteem like I’m hearing it should be held?
It felt awkward and out of place to us. I understand that there should have been something "Special" for those two.... but that wasn't it. :lol
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I bet that scene was ONLY there because Gaten had some publicity last year for his singing ability on TV (I forget which show he was on). It was so out of place and unrealistic given the circumstances.
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I bet that scene was ONLY there because Gaten had some publicity last year for his singing ability on TV (I forget which show he was on). It was so out of place and unrealistic given the circumstances.
That's always happened in Stranger Things though. It's a very enjoyable show but it's tonally pretty off-the-wall.
The related but more general thing that's always bugged me a bit about the show, and I think maybe more so this season, is how illogical the characters often are towards each other.
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For example in the first few episodes, it felt like characters never believed the fantastical things that others were saying, even though they'd seen all this shit before and knew it was real. Or Mike and Lucas being dicks towards Will after all the shit he's been through. Or at the end Joyce decides to leave Hawkins, and therefore Jonathan has to move away from Nancy despite being an adult, and also El has to move away from Mike despite not being Joyce's daughter. Makes no sense.
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Anyway, still a very entertaining and enjoyable show, but not a great one for me.
EDIT WITH MORE SPOILERS: Oh and Robin coming out to Steve was brilliant, there was a great sadness initially after all the build up but then his reaction really solidifying their friendship and trust in each other was absolutely perfect. It's frankly absurd to suggest that it was "pandering to the PC brigade" or whatever by having literally only one gay character in the show.
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Or at the end Joyce decides to leave Hawkins
What's even MORE unbelievable is that she actually sold that home. There's no way anyone's buying that house. Realistically she'd have to eat that mortgage to get out of the town.
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Or at the end Joyce decides to leave Hawkins
What's even MORE unbelievable is that she actually sold that home. There's no way anyone's buying that house. Realistically she'd have to eat that mortgage to get out of the town.
:lol Yeah very tre but then TV shows always make moving house look like a really simple process. I'll forgive that one.
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The more I think about it the more I like the way they handled Robin and her sexuality, because the reveal was 100% relevant to what they were discussing, especially Steve's part of the conversation. And I loved the way she reacted visually outside of the stall, holding her head in her hands and then having to try to gently let Steve down by realizing she's gay. It's not like other shows where it's just shoehorned in for the sake of having a gay character - and they don't address it afterwards. Bam, in one scene we learned about her sexuality and it actually added to the character for a change.
Also, wow, does Maya Hawke look like her mom (Uma). She basically got all her looks.
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You can't spell America without Erika :rollin
She was such a great addition to the main cast
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The more I think about it the more I like the way they handled Robin and her sexuality, because the reveal was 100% relevant to what they were discussing, especially Steve's part of the conversation. And I loved the way she reacted visually outside of the stall, holding her head in her hands and then having to try to gently let Steve down by realizing she's gay. It's not like other shows where it's just shoehorned in for the sake of having a gay character - and they don't address it afterwards. Bam, in one scene we learned about her sexuality and it actually added to the character for a change.
I don't know man....gonna have to disagree with that. 'How' they did it in the show....yes, it was done really well. Her reaction, the delivery of the news....well done. I'll agree with that.
Where I disagree is that the story needed a lesbian character there....or anywhere. It doesn't fit. This show isn't a social justice show. It's a glorified monster show. It's not the platform to challenge social standards or take some stand....if anything, if they were staying 'true' to the 80's that chic would have never been so open to discuss her sexuality and would have remained closeted. Her being lesbian did nothing for the story other than allow NETFLIX and the creators to satisfy their 'shout out' to the LGBTQ community and check that box off the Hollywood 'must do in shows' list. That's what it felt like.
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The more I think about it the more I like the way they handled Robin and her sexuality, because the reveal was 100% relevant to what they were discussing, especially Steve's part of the conversation. And I loved the way she reacted visually outside of the stall, holding her head in her hands and then having to try to gently let Steve down by realizing she's gay. It's not like other shows where it's just shoehorned in for the sake of having a gay character - and they don't address it afterwards. Bam, in one scene we learned about her sexuality and it actually added to the character for a change.
I don't know man....gonna have to disagree with that. 'How' they did it in the show....yes, it was done really well. Her reaction, the delivery of the news....well done. I'll agree with that.
Where I disagree is that the story needed a lesbian character there....or anywhere. It doesn't fit. This show isn't a social justice show. It's a glorified monster show. It's not the platform to challenge social standards or take some stand....if anything, if they were staying 'true' to the 80's that chic would have never been so open to discuss her sexuality and would have remained closeted. Her being lesbian did nothing for the story other than allow NETFLIX and the creators to satisfy their 'shout out' to the LGBTQ community and check that box off the Hollywood 'must do in shows' list. That's what it felt like.
That's true (to the bold). Let me counter that in the spirit of good conversation though. I don't think they were challenging social standards, or pushing the social justice agenda (there were definitely gay people back in the 80s, I don't think it's fair to say every single gay person would stay in the closet). Steve was confessing his feelings for Robin, and she turned him down, and explained that she like "other" people (she never explicitly says she's gay, or she likes women, but she describes a "her" that she was into). It doesn't add to the plot, no, but I think it deepens her character and adds a bit of complexity to her relationship with Steve. They initially are just coworkers who mock each other, but then Steve realizes he has feelings for her, and we learn more about both of them as a result, and then after that tension is gone it's like they're even better friends.
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The more I think about it the more I like the way they handled Robin and her sexuality, because the reveal was 100% relevant to what they were discussing, especially Steve's part of the conversation. And I loved the way she reacted visually outside of the stall, holding her head in her hands and then having to try to gently let Steve down by realizing she's gay. It's not like other shows where it's just shoehorned in for the sake of having a gay character - and they don't address it afterwards. Bam, in one scene we learned about her sexuality and it actually added to the character for a change.
I don't know man....gonna have to disagree with that. 'How' they did it in the show....yes, it was done really well. Her reaction, the delivery of the news....well done. I'll agree with that.
Where I disagree is that the story needed a lesbian character there....or anywhere. It doesn't fit. This show isn't a social justice show. It's a glorified monster show. It's not the platform to challenge social standards or take some stand....if anything, if they were staying 'true' to the 80's that chic would have never been so open to discuss her sexuality and would have remained closeted. Her being lesbian did nothing for the story other than allow NETFLIX and the creators to satisfy their 'shout out' to the LGBTQ community and check that box off the Hollywood 'must do in shows' list. That's what it felt like.
That's true (to the bold). Let me counter that in the spirit of good conversation though. I don't think they were challenging social standards, or pushing the social justice agenda (there were definitely gay people back in the 80s, I don't think it's fair to say every single gay person would stay in the closet). Steve was confessing his feelings for Robin, and she turned him down, and explained that she like "other" people (she never explicitly says she's gay, or she likes women, but she describes a "her" that she was into). It doesn't add to the plot, no, but I think it deepens her character and adds a bit of complexity to her relationship with Steve. They initially are just coworkers who mock each other, but then Steve realizes he has feelings for her, and we learn more about both of them as a result, and then after that tension is gone it's like they're even better friends.
Completely agree with what you've said there. And, I'm not suggesting that it won't be an even better 'team' now. They were awesome together. I guess my point is that (for me) it felt like it was put in place to 'satisfy'. They made it work, and it was done beautifully.....but I'm not convinced that it wasn't anything more than them making sure they had their 'gay' quota met to stave off criticism because had they made her straight and just flat out deny Steve or even put them together it'd have worked as well.
So my problem with it is near zero with how it actually came off in the show because 'show wise', it does fit and worked out well. I'm just not convinced they worked that into the show as a part of their own vision....I think it was 'mandated' by todays political environment.
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The scene was so organic, it was a total non-issue when I watched it. I'm genuinely surprised anyone would single it out and find it shoe-horned in.
Of course, I could be a product of my own experience. Two members of my weekly golf group from back in the 80's were lesbian (not a couple). Having friends who happen to be gay seems to strip the novelty away, I suppose.
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You're welcome DTF.
https://youtu.be/9ILTNsXi_7k
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You're welcome DTF.
https://youtu.be/9ILTNsXi_7k
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You're welcome DTF.
https://youtu.be/9ILTNsXi_7k
So good! I would watch the hell out of this. :corn
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You're welcome DTF.
https://youtu.be/9ILTNsXi_7k
OMG that is fucking awesome! :rollin
Just his shirt makes me giggle like a middle schooler tbh. Reading this thread kind of spoiled it for me but that's on me. I'm on episode 6 currently. I'm sad to hear about Hopper. David Harbour is an interesting cat. I heard his interview with Marc Maron on WTF about his mental health issues. I have mad respect for the guy. Well worth a listen.
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You're welcome DTF.
https://youtu.be/9ILTNsXi_7k
OMG that is fucking awesome! :rollin
Just his shirt makes me giggle like a middle schooler tbh. Reading this thread kind of spoiled it for me but that's on me. I'm on episode 6 currently. I'm sad to hear about Hopper. David Harbour is an interesting cat. I heard his interview with Marc Maron on WTF about his mental health issues. I have mad respect for the guy. Well worth a listen.
Harmony (and everyone else) should watch this interview with both of them, where they answer the most Googled questions about each other. Their chemistry is just adorable and infectious. I LOVE Winona Ryder. She's got such a lovable mom-like personality. And David Harbour reminds me of myself lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsEO8LALcyo
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...if anything, if they were staying 'true' to the 80's that chic would have never been so open to discuss her sexuality and would have remained closeted.
I see what you're saying here, but it was such a non-event, I'm honestly stunned it was even worth calling out. Social norms back in '85 may have been that few people were open about homosexuality, but that didn't mean that NO ONE came out. Plus, they were still feeling the lingering effects of the truth serum, so there's that.
The scene was so organic, it was a total non-issue when I watched it. I'm genuinely surprised anyone would single it out and find it shoe-horned in.
BINGO.
Hopper P.I. Best thing evar!
Also... agree that 25% of the show didn't need to be setup. With only 8 episodes, that's a lot to invest in setting things up - all relevant and meaningful, but I felt there could've been a few more episodes to bring about a more gradual buildup somehow. The last 2 episodes felt pretty rushed to get to the climax imo.
And yeah... that reading by Hopper of his letter. :'(
Also, completely agree with Rich's comments.
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...if anything, if they were staying 'true' to the 80's that chic would have never been so open to discuss her sexuality and would have remained closeted.
I see what you're saying here, but it was such a non-event, I'm honestly stunned it was even worth calling out. Social norms back in '85 may have been that few people were open about homosexuality, but that didn't mean that NO ONE came out. Plus, they were still feeling the lingering effects of the truth serum, so there's that.
Firstly, there were plenty of openly gay people in the 80s.
But secondly, Robin is hardly "openly gay" now. She told literally one person, a really close friend who just went through a near death experience with her.
It's so ridiculous to even need to have this discussion. With absolutely loads of straight characters in the show, nobody is accusing it of pandering to traditional conservatives.
EDIT: By the way Chad, I fixed your quotefail. :P
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Baskin Robbins has Scoops Ahoy menu items :metal
https://www2.baskinrobbins.com/en/strangerthings
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My Take...
They went down the action route this time - and that's cool because the 80's was era when the explosion was king.
They kept the Spielberg meets King formula but added in a dose of John Hughes.
The bathroom scene was the best moment of the show so far.
It was a huge improvement over series 2.
Nancy and Jonathan's story is over, with the large cast I feel they can both be written out of the show now.
I'd watch the shit out of a spin off show about Steve and Robin working in a video store.
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I enjoyed S3 overall, probably more than S2. But it feels a bit to me like the show is kinda running in the same spot right now. I like the characters and most actors are good in their roles but the story itself just feels like the same old with some new elements each season. I feel like I'm kinda done with the whole Upside Down side of the story personally. Wouldn't mind seeing something different.
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The problem with shows released at once is that most people will binge them, so I stayed out of this thread, took my time, watched an episode per day over the course of two weeks aaaaaaand I'm done. :hat
SO, NEEDLESS TO SAY, EVERYTHING I POST FROM NOW ON IS A SPOILER
Very short version - I liked the season. I liked the previous ones, I like the characters, so it's been a fun and thrilling ride, worth the wait and worth another visit to Hawkins. Of course it's not perfect, but for what it is, it was quite good.
Some stuff here and there...
- Was Hopper always such an asshole? he spent 7 episodes out of 8 shouting and being angry and being drunk. Sure, he was always a tough bear with a soft heart hidden underneath but jeez, was his constant angry shouting supposed to be funny? he was annoying.
- HOLY SHIT EL MAKES OUT, I JUST GOT OVER ARYA HAVING SEX AND NOW SHE FRENCH KISSES MIKE? all my girls are growing up, sob.
More seriously, El as a character has always been a golden one, one you could relate and symphatize with, I've already lost count in the two previous seasons how much I wanted to reach through the screen and hug her and tell her it will all be alright. It's nice also that for once she didn't save the day (she's so ridicolously overpowered that they have to put obstacles in her path after all).
- Robin was all kinds of awesome. The Ethan and the Uma is strong with this one. It was a great comedic pair right off the bat seeing her taunting and trolling Steve at work and it all seemed headed down the obvious romantic fling between the two, but oh no. Alas, no man shall have Robin, what a waste!
- Steve was great, but I fear that the appreciation for the actor by the authors (and consequent redeeming of the character) made them go too far on the opposite with him. Sure, he was an asshole and a bully but he's a good looking guy who knows his way around girls, but apparently being nice kills all your game and makes you an adorable loser? (hence the "you suck" board).
I mean, Steve with "nice guy, asshole" going for him gets Nancy Wheeler. As "nice guy, older and more mature, no longer asshole" he technically does worse than Justin.
- Erica was annoying. They went too far with her. Sure, I accept the sassy smart kid but she was like that all the freaking time. At a point it became unreal and annoying.
- RIP Alexei. Too pure and too good for this world.
- Big facepalm during the Neverending Story thing. It doesn't change my life, I'm glad if people love it and laugh about it and I equally understand that some other people may dislike it. All things considered, Suzie actually killed Hopper, I hate when the stubborness of a character gets in the way in a life of death situation, I wanted to punch her. But I guess the scene of them singing while the Mind Flayer is rampaging through the street during the chase will go down in history :lol
- A lot of plot shortcuts, cliched last-second saves or arrivals (seriously, will we EVER get rid in ANY movie or TV series of the rule that if you don't see something or someone, you can't hear it as well? which allows characters to arrive at the best possible second with the best possible witty or scary line? geez), but somehow the story and the greatness of the protagonists make it all work. The absurdity of a super sized secret russian base beneath the mall gets to be overlooked in front of the strength of the various protagonists and their interactions.
I also assume that Hopper "dying" was an Empire Strikes Back situation, where Han Solo gets frozen because Harrison Ford was considering to jump ship. Say that David Harbour goes off for Hellboy or gets other roles, you have a way out for the character. I'd wager that the authors don't even know 100% who is "the american" in the post credits scene - if need be it will be Hopper, otherwise it will be someone else.
This seems a long list of complaints, but really, I liked the season and it was very entertaining. You just don't have to think too hard about it, like it was needed for many '80s movies that the show pays homage to in a way or the other.
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You're welcome DTF.
https://youtu.be/9ILTNsXi_7k
OMG that is fucking awesome! :rollin
Just his shirt makes me giggle like a middle schooler tbh. Reading this thread kind of spoiled it for me but that's on me. I'm on episode 6 currently. I'm sad to hear about Hopper. David Harbour is an interesting cat. I heard his interview with Marc Maron on WTF about his mental health issues. I have mad respect for the guy. Well worth a listen.
Harmony (and everyone else) should watch this interview with both of them, where they answer the most Googled questions about each other. Their chemistry is just adorable and infectious. I LOVE Winona Ryder. She's got such a lovable mom-like personality. And David Harbour reminds me of myself lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsEO8LALcyo
Sorry for the late reply but thanks for that! I have to admit it has taken me a long time to come around to Winona Ryder. A friend of mine knew someone who worked on Reality Bites and said she was a complete psycho bitch the whole time. And I also kind of remember her having some brushes with the law back then as well. But she honestly seems to have mellowed out and seems much happier as she has matured. I certainly think she is well cast in ST and very much enjoy her performance in the show.
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Season 4 Teaser.
2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM5OVZtq8xM
story: Season 4 will center around (or take place) around Valentine's Day?
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/stranger-things-season-4-release-date-48362935?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=post&utm_campaign=frontdoor
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Giddy up!
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Cool. Expectations adjusted accordingly for a "part 4," but still looking forward to it.
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A new teaser for next season :corn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgsUzL75Yjk
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I am hyped
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=497607418396015&set=a.274347087388717
From Millie Bobby Brown's FB
Every ending has a beginning
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I'm in. :corn
I note on the poster that it is 2 separate releases, so basically 2 half seasons (or 2 full seasons with a break in the middle that they are calling a single season, depending on how you want to look at it).
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Finally.....that's gonna be a good weekend...Stranger things on Friday, 11 years of sobriety on Saturday, Haken on Sunday
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That would be a rough weekend for me. Given what it would take just to survive Sunday without clawing out my eardrums, that would be 11 years of hard work down the drain.
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I read its 5 episodes in the first half and 4 in the second but the entire run time is much longer than any previous season. The following, 5th season, will be the last of this story.
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Season 4.0 and 4.5
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That would be a rough weekend for me. Given what it would take just to survive Sunday without clawing out my eardrums, that would be 11 years of hard work down the drain.
Oh you....
You and Jingle need to cuddle up together with your Haken hatred...
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You and Jingle need to cuddle up together with your Haken hatred...
*raises hand*
I call big spoon!
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The following, 5th season, will be the last of this story.
It will have to be because by the time it comes out those actors will be in retirement homes. I mean....I get it....it takes time to film this stuff and coordinate schedules but jeez....
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This was from the twitter account for Stranger Things
https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1494341147833122820 (https://twitter.com/Stranger_Things/status/1494341147833122820)
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I wonder if the breaking up of season 4 into two parts is due to the visual effects needing time to complete. The Matrix sequels were supposed to be released very close to each other but part 3 was pushed back because the shots weren't done in time.
I hope season 5 is closer to release after season 4 than this huge time gap between season 3 and 4.
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I wonder if the breaking up of season 4 into two parts is due to the visual effects needing time to complete. The Matrix sequels were supposed to be released very close to each other but part 3 was pushed back because the shots weren't done in time.
I hope season 5 is closer to release after season 4 than this huge time gap between season 3 and 4.
I'd imagine it will be, bet a good deal of the delays were covid related as well.