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Title: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: splent on June 24, 2016, 10:53:54 AM
Why don't bands do this anymore? I mean they probably do, but I guess what I'm saying is why isn't it more popular? I mean in the 60s and 70s they were HUGE with Chicago and Earth Wind & Fire... I mean there's NOTHING like hearing those brass sounds supplementing the rest of the band and the vocals. I LOVE it so much. Even in early 80s pop like Genesis (who used EWF's brass section in Paperlate and No Reply at All) the song wouldn't be the song without them.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 24, 2016, 11:00:20 AM
I don't see it much in pop/rock music anymore.

Snarky Puppy usually includes some brass.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Adami on June 24, 2016, 11:03:26 AM
Probably the same reason famous pop artists don't have big mustaches anymore. Things change.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: LieLowTheWantedMan on June 24, 2016, 11:58:02 AM
Sufjan Stevens is probably my favourite user of brass instrumentation working today.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Train of Naught on June 24, 2016, 12:20:52 PM
The Reign Of Kindo has some great brass in some of their songs, mostly jazzy and loungy, I bet you'd love it. Check out Romancing A Stranger from their album 'Play With Fire', meant to send it in your roulette aswell but I got kicked :P

The brass here is not nearly as present as Chicago from what I've heard, but they definitely have some cool neoclassical stuff going in.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: cramx3 on June 24, 2016, 12:38:48 PM
I used to (well still do, but hardly listen anymore) like ska music.  The brass sections were always a huge part of the music and inspired me to play trombone and sax when I was young.

It's actually part of the reason why I like symphonic metal so much because sometimes they get some brass in there too (at least on the album).  Same with Score and the guy playing the French horn.  I think it's awesome.  Also Epica's Retrospect concert has a brass section in the orchestra.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: splent on June 24, 2016, 01:38:48 PM
Yeah same here in regards to ska. I never really got into it but I like whatever I hear when it comes to ska.

Obviously artists like Thank You Scientist have brass in them, but I'm talking about brass sections. Like when I saw Earth Wind and Fire live it looked like a mini big band concert with all those brass instruments. It was awesome.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: King Postwhore on June 24, 2016, 01:44:12 PM
Not too many now.  TOP is one still and The Mighty Mighty Bosstones is another I can think of.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Big Hath on June 24, 2016, 01:46:05 PM
maybe we can curb discussion of these bands until AFTER the splent roulette is over?  :lol
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Big Hath on June 24, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
but to the point of the thread.  I think it's probably a combination of it just lost fashion, maybe players of those instruments tend to gravitate more to jazz and/or classical outlets for their talents, and I'm guessing the introduction of electronic keyboards and especially synths in the 80s covered that portion of the sound spectrum a bit (and cheaper).
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: cramx3 on June 24, 2016, 01:53:56 PM
I just don't think a lot of those types of music are as popular anymore. 

You don't hear a band like the Mighty Mighty Bosstones making the top hits list anymore.  I saw them once before back in maybe 2001 and they were AWESOME live.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: King Postwhore on June 24, 2016, 01:58:35 PM
maybe we can curb discussion of these bands until AFTER the splent roulette is over?  :lol

 :lol

I just don't think a lot of those types of music are as popular anymore. 

You don't hear a band like the Mighty Mighty Bosstones making the top hits list anymore.  I saw them once before back in maybe 2001 and they were AWESOME live.

Yeah, I saw them a few times.  Really fun live.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 24, 2016, 04:02:53 PM
The Dear Hunter
Mother Falcon
Typhoon
The Family Crest
Sufjan Stevens
Do Make Say Think
Emanuel and the Fear
Hotel of the Laughing Tree
*Shels
Brice Plays Drums
The Polyphonic Spree
Revere
Timbre
Margot and the Nuclear So and So's
Capital Cities
Cloud Cult

(RIP's)
Anathallo
Jared Micah & Hats
The Most Serene Republic
Forest Park
The River Empires
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: King Postwhore on June 24, 2016, 04:22:09 PM
Do they all have a brass section that are in the band?  That's what Splent is saying.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 24, 2016, 08:31:31 PM
they all use Brass instruments. I mean if you are referring to an actual assortment of Brass players like Chicago? it depends on the song, albums, etc.

Most of them also use strings prominently. I like to call what they do Chamber (or Baroque) Pop/Rock/Folk etc, but part of that includes Horns or Brass instruments at times.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: splent on June 26, 2016, 06:09:41 PM
they all use Brass instruments. I mean if you are referring to an actual assortment of Brass players like Chicago? it depends on the song, albums, etc.

Most of them also use strings prominently. I like to call what they do Chamber (or Baroque) Pop/Rock/Folk etc, but part of that includes Horns or Brass instruments at times.

I'm talking about like a larger brass section, like Chicago or Earth Wind and Fire... I can't think of any more off the top of my head
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: The Letter M on June 26, 2016, 06:20:56 PM
Anything from Big Big Train after David Longdon joined the band. Beautiful brass (and string) arrangements and accompaniments.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Orbert on June 27, 2016, 11:18:17 AM
Blood Sweat & Tears also had a full-time horn section.  They were on Columbia, same label as Chicago, and produced by the same guy, James William Guercio.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 27, 2016, 11:25:29 AM
Blood Sweat & Tears also had a full-time horn section.  They were on Columbia, same label as Chicago, and produced by the same guy, James William Guercio.
That was a good band.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Orbert on June 27, 2016, 11:34:56 AM
Yeah, they were.  They embraced the full-on jazz and blues a bit more than Chicago did.  Chicago's stated goal was always "pop music with horns" whereas BS&T clearly had no problem playing "real jazz" on their albums.  Back when you could still do that kind of thing, of course.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 27, 2016, 11:44:59 AM
they all use Brass instruments. I mean if you are referring to an actual assortment of Brass players like Chicago? it depends on the song, albums, etc.

Most of them also use strings prominently. I like to call what they do Chamber (or Baroque) Pop/Rock/Folk etc, but part of that includes Horns or Brass instruments at times.

I'm talking about like a larger brass section, like Chicago or Earth Wind and Fire... I can't think of any more off the top of my head

I guess you may be splitting hairs. How do you quantify "larger brass section" ...I mean I can definitely say there are many songs from those Chamber bands that feature horns, whether they be 1, 2 or 10.

I used to call Anathallo, College Rock with Trombones, and frankly, the trombones were rather prominent in their sound.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2016, 07:17:45 AM
I think he is talking about bands that have the brass section as an integral part of the band, all the time, consistently, like Chicago and Earth, Wind, & Fire did. 

Not bands that occasionally use brass players on some songs, depending on the album.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2016, 07:19:44 AM
I have a friend who is heavily into Ska and whenever I go round his house and he is listening to some ska - every band sounds the same to me.

Especially if it's Ska Punk. He himself is in a ska punk band with nine members - three of whom play brass and yeah. They sound exactly as you'd imagine.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: RoeDent on June 28, 2016, 07:23:34 AM
Anything from Big Big Train after David Longdon joined the band. Beautiful brass (and string) arrangements and accompaniments.

-Marc.

The brass sound of BBT adds a stately and solemn touch to the band's sound.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2016, 08:06:35 AM
I have a friend who is heavily into Ska and whenever I go round his house and he is listening to some ska - every band sounds the same to me.

Especially if it's Ska Punk. He himself is in a ska punk band with nine members - three of whom play brass and yeah. They sound exactly as you'd imagine.
I kind of agree.  I mean, I like ska, kind of, but all of the bands sound the same to me, too.  So I got to where I just don't care. 
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2016, 08:24:24 AM
Yeah I'm not saying it's bad as it must be a task to write for nine musicians and not sound like a total clusterfruitcake.

It's just not what i'd choose to listen to.

:)
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 09:33:52 AM
I honestly thought ska music died like 15 years ago
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 28, 2016, 12:00:42 PM
Nothing dies in music.  It just gets less popular.

But everything that was ever popular still has its niche fans/practitioners.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: cramx3 on June 28, 2016, 12:08:45 PM
Well sure, I know some of the ska bands I used to love are still around (I saw Reel Big Fish and Less Than Jake a year and a half ago for example) but I don't know or heard of any new ska bands which is why when kotowboy mentioned his fans have a ska band I was a bit surprised.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Cool Chris on June 28, 2016, 04:47:19 PM
I generally dislike brass in my rock. Even the occasional sax solo is usually a turn off for me. Not always, just most often.

I honestly thought ska music died like 15 years ago

But everything that was ever popular...

Ska was popular?
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Kotowboy on June 28, 2016, 04:48:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhAJm3cHq2M&list=RDlhAJm3cHq2M

I am not big on brass in bands. It can be great.

I LOVE the sax solo on this song.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2016, 11:31:59 AM
Ska was popular?
It was never HUGE, but yeah, it was popular for a while in the 90s.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 11:43:45 AM
Ska was popular?
It was never HUGE, but yeah, it was popular for a while in the 90s.

Yea, it was never big but a couple bands that I mentioned previously in this thread actually had some radio hits.

And this thread reminded me that Less Than Jake (one of my favorite ska/punk bands growing up) is on this years warped tour so I just picked up a ticket for it since it's a sunday around the corner from me.  Might as well enjoy it (and the ticket was free).
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Cool Chris on June 29, 2016, 11:59:59 AM
It was never HUGE, but yeah, it was popular for a while in the 90s.

This thread is now about my dick, apparently.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: hefdaddy42 on June 29, 2016, 02:00:49 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: King Postwhore on June 29, 2016, 02:02:12 PM
 :lol

I feel ya Cool Chris.


What a minute......
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 29, 2016, 02:35:32 PM
Ska punk is alive and well. Some of those older ska punk bands are still going (Reel Big Fish, LTJ, Mad Caddies, Streetlight Manifesto etc) but over in the UK there are still a lot of new ska punk bands and the scene is pretty healthy, my favourites are more skacore (yes, that's a thing  :lol) such as King Prawn, Random Hand and Capdown. I don't follow the scene as much as I did 5 years ago but there's a lot of great bands. Tempted to start sending this stuff in roulettes, probably won't fair too well though.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2016, 02:40:09 PM
Nice, yea I just saw Reel Big Fish is also playing at the warped tour too so it would be awesome to see them again!  This thread really got me thinking about ska music again.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 29, 2016, 03:44:04 PM
Nice, yea I just saw Reel Big Fish is also playing at the warped tour too so it would be awesome to see them again!  This thread really got me thinking about ska music again.

I've seen Reel Big Fish at least 10 times. They are always great fun and a great sing a long  :biggrin:

I can recommend you some great ska punk bands if you fancy a new kick of ska punk. Also a band who are as close to progressive ska punk as you are able to get.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: splent on June 29, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
Didn't the ska bands of the 80s mainly originate from the UK? Bands like Madness and The Specials?

And I do feel the same way about ska. I have been to a ska concert (Five Iron Frenzy) and it was a blast but I never was REALLY into ska like a few of my friends were.

I think he is talking about bands that have the brass section as an integral part of the band, all the time, consistently, like Chicago and Earth, Wind, & Fire did. 

Not bands that occasionally use brass players on some songs, depending on the album.

This is exactly what I mean.

Blood Sweat & Tears also had a full-time horn section.  They were on Columbia, same label as Chicago, and produced by the same guy, James William Guercio.

Must listen. I've only heard Spinning Wheel.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: PROGdrummer on June 29, 2016, 06:43:55 PM
THANK YOU SCIENTIST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B97Ifr9pPy4

And Mr. Bungle I guess.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: splent on June 29, 2016, 06:47:56 PM
THANK YOU SCIENTIST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B97Ifr9pPy4

And Mr. Bungle I guess.

Obviously TYS uses brass, but I'm talking about like a 8-10 piece band like in Chicago or EW&F. TYS has a sax, trumpet, and trombone. And violin, which is cool too.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: King Postwhore on June 29, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
I will be seeing TYS in less than 3 months.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: splent on June 29, 2016, 06:54:50 PM
I will be seeing TYS in less than 3 months.

I'm hoping to see them before that. They are in Chi on Aug. 30. Today I found out it's acutally a little more plausible that I will be able to see them, so there's that :)
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: King Postwhore on June 29, 2016, 07:05:52 PM
I will be seeing TYS in less than 3 months.

I'm hoping to see them before that. They are in Chi on Aug. 30. Today I found out it's acutally a little more plausible that I will be able to see them, so there's that :)

Opening for Haken I assume.  $15 per ticket here in Boston.   Plus 4 doors down is a restaurant that has 120 beers on tap. 

Yup, it's an orgasm moment.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: splent on June 29, 2016, 08:00:35 PM
Not fair. Tickets are $25 here.
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: King Postwhore on June 29, 2016, 08:04:00 PM
Get out!
Title: Re: Brass Sections in bands
Post by: Orbert on June 30, 2016, 07:41:11 AM
Blood Sweat & Tears also had a full-time horn section.  They were on Columbia, same label as Chicago, and produced by the same guy, James William Guercio.

Must listen. I've only heard Spinning Wheel.

Get the first album.  It has Spinning Wheel (the long version with the jazz trumpet solo and wacky outro) and some other songs you might recognize, and also some deeper cuts that show off their full-on jazz side.  Highly recommended.  Avoid "greatest hits" things for now, as they only show the pop/rock side of the band.  You need an album to get the whole story.