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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: erwinrafael on April 10, 2016, 08:54:50 AM
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While I was playing music while writing my thesis, I realized that a lot of my favorite music are from the non-classic lineups of my favorite bands. I don't know if I just have a contrarian streak or something :lol but anyway, here are the bands:
Dream Theater - as can be seen in my posts in the main DT board, I love the current lineup.
Van Halen - I am Sammy Hagar-era fan. I love how the music sounded more like a super-group rather than just fun rock and roll songs.
Yes - I think I am one of the few who loved the Trevor Rabin era more than the classic YES. Especially when they captured that sound in Talk which is one of my favorite albums.
Motley Crue - they are just one of those bands for me, but the lone album with Corabi is a gem.
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Anathema - Started out as a pretty great Doom/Death metal band, but it was after a few changes that they found the more classic line-up (which has also changed), but mainly Vinny taking over vocals. I think their current lineup is their best.
Between the Buried and Me - first two albums (especially The Silent Circus) have enjoyable shit on them, but Alaska was the start of something special and the lineup they've had since is great.
Faith No More - Mike Patton joining made all the difference.
Porcupine Tree - I may be the biggest Chris Maitland fan on the forum and I honestly think pre-Gavin Harrison PT was just as good, but I also think Gavin joining was the final piece of the puzzle and it was smooth sailing from the band after that.
Swans - their current lineup is their best IMO. Jarboe-era lineup was pretty great too, but the current one is my fav.
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Agree with FNM and PT, but isn't FNM with Patton and PT with Gavin considered THE classic lineup, not the original lineup, but the lineup that first pops in the minds of many and associates with their songs? Just trying to make the distinction, otherwise DT with Dominici might be considered classic. :rollin
I have a more controversial lineup. I love the Revenge-era Kiss than the classic Kiss. Bruce Kulick gets more love from me than Ace Frehley. :lol
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I guess. I could just as easily make an argument for prefering Maitland-PT over Gavin-PT, but with FNM there's not much to say. :P
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For me the classic line-up is the lineup that appears on the debut album. Excluding the obvious ones like Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, Dream theater, Ect. These are a few that I was able to think of.
Metal Church: I prefer the Mike Howe Era.
Ozzy Osbourne: My favorite line-up he had was the touring lineup for the no rest for the wicked tour with Zakk Wylde, Geezer butler, and Randy Castillo
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ozzy554, we don't even know who the real original lineup was for Ozzy.
Kidding! :lol
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ozzy554, we don't even know who the real original lineup was for Ozzy.
Kidding! :lol
Rob Trujillo and Mike Bordin of course :rollin
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Dream Theater: Jordan > Kevin
Metallica: Cliff > Jason
Those are the only two I can really think of off the top of my head and some people may consider JLB, JP, JM, JR, MP and JH, KH, LU, CB to be the classic lineups of their respective bands.
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Yes. I like the Rabin Era more than the classic line-up. I would like to see Rabin, Anderson, and Wakeman back in the Yes line up.
Dream Theater's current line-up is awesome!
Rush - when Neil Peart joined the band.. Lol
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Haken - I prefer the line-up with Connor a whole lot more
Killswitch Engage - Howard > Jesse
Nightwish - While Tarja was objectively a better singer, the two albums with Anette are my favourite so that would my prefered lineup
TesseracT - One Dan > Ashe > Polaris Dan
DT - Rudess and Portnoy lineup
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Van Halen is close for me. The original lineup with Roth is considered the classic lineup, but there are definitely times when I prefer the Hagar lineup; it changes from year to year for me, really.
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Wouldn't classic mean 'most popular line-up' in this case?
Anyway, Queensryche for me. TLT era above the 80s stuff. I think La Torre is a much better singer than 80s Geoff Tate and I think the material is more nuanced, mature and interesting.
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Wow, that's controversial Enigmachine.
For me, the loss of Chris DeGarmo has been the slow bleeding death of QR. I do like the last 2 albums and they did sound great live.
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Wow, that's controversial Enigmachine.
For me, the loss of Chris DeGarmo has been the slow bleeding death of QR. I do like the last 2 albums and they did sound great live.
I'll agree that from 1997 to 2012 they sucked (apart from Tribe and parts of Hear in the Now Frontier), when Rising West became Queensryche, it felt like a band that had learned from past mistakes and was passionately driven to undo them. The 2013 self-titled release is really one of the best comback albums I can think of (if not the best, apart from the loudness war damage) and I believe it eclipsed the early material due to more intricate musicianship, more emotional songs and way more energy. The clipping is probably its only issue. Thankfully, Condition Human has fixed that and though I've only listened to it once, it seems to be better than any other QR album IMO.
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Wouldn't classic mean 'most popular line-up' in this case.
Well, sort of. When I started with this thread, I was not imagining The Beatles classic lineup to be with Pete Best. :biggrin:
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I prefer the Dianno/Stratton/Burr era of Iron Maiden over Dickinson/Smith/McBrain.
haha nah I don't.
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Iron Maiden immediately comes to mind for me. Janick Gers has been a great addition (writing some of the best songs on the last five albums) and the reunion era lineup is definitely the best lineup the band has ever had.
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I guess it all depends on what is "Classic".
I like the three-man Genesis over the Gabriel years.
I like Rabin-era Yes as much (or more) than most of the "Anderson Years".
I like the JLT Rainbow as much (or more) than the Dio years.
I like the Morse-era Purple almost as much as the Blackmore years (and more than the Bolin years).
I like the Warren Haynes-era Allman's much more than the original years.
I like the Keith/Donna-era of the Dead WAY more than any other era.
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I still do prefer the Ian Gillan line up of Deep Purple, but Burn is my second favorite Purple album
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Two of my favorite Styx albums are not classic DeYoung-Shaw-Young-Panozzo-Panozzo albums
1990's Edge of the Century (DeYoung-Young-Burtnick-Panozzo-Panozzo)
2003's Cyclorama (Shaw-Burtnick-Young-Gowan-Panozzo-Sucherman)
But, in fact, my favorite Styx line-up only happened for a brief moment in 1999, just before Dennis DeYoung was kicked out. The band played one show at a telethon with a line-up consisting of Dennis DeYoung, Tommy Shaw, James Young, Glen Burtnick, and Todd Sucherman. Pretty much a Styx All-Star Band right there. THAT was the band that was supposed to continue on after Brave New World came out. Unfortunately, Dennis got sick and was replaced by Lawrence Gowan, and eventually Glen left the band to be replaced with Ricky Phillips. Sad, cuz that 1999 band would have been amazing to see live.
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I like the JLT Rainbow as much (or more) than the Dio years.
As awesome as Dio is, yeah, this.
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Van Halen - Sammy Haggar era is way better in my opinion.
Deep Purple - I also like the Morse years better
King Crimson - Do they even have a classic lineup? :lol The Wetton - Brufford era is the best for me.
Yes - I like the Anderson, Brufford, Wakeman, Howe, Squire formation.
AC/DC - The Bon Scott era rules
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Yes - I like the Anderson, Brufford, Wakeman, Howe, Squire formation.
...but this is the classic line up.
I'm having a hard time thinking of a perfect pick here, but there are a couple of bands that went through some serious changes over the last several years and that have promising new line ups which might even surpass the "classic" ones. Dream Theater and Slipknot come to mind.
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Yes - I like the Anderson, Brufford, Wakeman, Howe, Squire formation.
...but this is the classic line up.
I'm having a hard time thinking of a perfect pick here, but there are a couple of bands that went through some serious changes over the last several years and that have promising new line ups which might even surpass the "classic" ones. Dream Theater and Slipknot come to mind.
Really? Wakeman and Brufford were together for 2 albums before Brufford left for King Crimson. I would think the Classic formation includes Alan White
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Really. It's the line up who did Fragile and Close to the Edge after all.
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I'm with Outcrier on this. Many consider "Close To The Edge" to be the greatest prog album ever, and Bruford left because he felt there was nothing more to accomplish.
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My top 2 Yes albums:
Relayer
Drama
granted those 2 lineups only existed for 1 album and tour each (and I recall the Drama tour was not extensive).
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Very surprised that no one mentioned Black Sabbath yet. Give me Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, Dehumanizer and The Devil You Know over anything with Ozzy, Tony Martin or the other singers.
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AC/DC - The Bon Scott era rules
Isn't the Bon Scott era the classic line up though?
Ok, Brian Johnson era has their biggest album but it's that against Highway to Hell, Powerage, Let There Be Rock, Dirty Deeds and TNT.
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Very surprised that no one mentioned Black Sabbath yet. Give me Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, Dehumanizer and The Devil You Know over anything with Ozzy, Tony Martin or the other singers.
Bolded: my favourite Black Sabbath album. So yeah, I agree. IMO the Tony Martin era is underrated though.
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Fleetwood Mac, if you consider the 60s incarnation their classic era. Obv the 1974-1997 (and 2014-) is the best version
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Yes - Rabin era
Black Sabbath - Iommi/Martin/Powell/Murray/Nichols
Pink Floyd - Without Waters
ELP - Emerson/Lake/Powell
Spock's Beard - Without Neal Morse
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Faith No More immediately comes to mind.
Also Red Hot Chili Peppers, both eras with John Frusciante on guitar
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AC/DC - The Bon Scott era rules
Isn't the Bon Scott era the classic line up though?
Ok, Brian Johnson era has their biggest album but it's that against Highway to Hell, Powerage, Let There Be Rock, Dirty Deeds and TNT.
No answers?
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I love both eras, but since both are highly regarded, I don't see why the Bon era wouldn't be referred to as a classic lineup of the band.
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I only see Back in Black highly regarded from Brian Johnson era.
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I only see Back in Black highly regarded from Brian Johnson era.
In terms of albums I'd say you're right (maybe Razor's Edge to a much lesser degree), although they've still had many highly regarded songs since then, and the band is still huge. Either way, your original point is correct that the Bon era is the "classic" lineup.
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To answer the question for myself, I'd say Metallica with Newsted is my favourite lineup by a smidge over the classic lineup. The classic lineup was consistently great no doubt, but I personally come back to AJFA, TBA, and the best of Load/Reload a lot more than the earlier albums, and much prefer Jason Newsted over Cliff Burton. The classic lineup is the classic lineup though. :metal
Also Dream Theater. To me the SFAM lineup is THE band. :hefdaddy:
And Jimi Jamison Survivor. The earlier lineup has Eye of the Tiger (the song), and that's it for me.
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I ain't even sure of what is DT classic lineup. The one with Dominici maybe? :neverusethis:
But, seriously, Moore did Images and Awake but stayed only for 3 albums, while Jordan did SFAM and SDOIT and is present in 69% of their discography studio albums (against Moore 23%).
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The one that comes to mind is Van Halen. I much prefer...
The version with Gary Cherone. :neverusethis:
j/k Sammy Hagar's tenure with the band was their high point, for me. The earlier albums with Roth are good, for sure, but I prefer the Hagar albums.
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I ain't even sure of what is DT classic lineup. The one with Dominici maybe? :neverusethis:
But, seriously, Moore did Images and Awake but stayed only for 3 albums, while Jordan did SFAM and SDOIT and is present in 69% of their discography studio albums (against Moore 23%).
The one on IaW and Awake is definitely the classic line-up, I think.
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I ain't even sure of what is DT classic lineup. The one with Dominici maybe? :neverusethis:
But, seriously, Moore did Images and Awake but stayed only for 3 albums, while Jordan did SFAM and SDOIT and is present in 69% of their discography studio albums (against Moore 23%).
The one on IaW and Awake is definitely the classic line-up, I think.
Yes, it is.
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Was that even a question? It's not like Outcrier was being serious. :lol
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I was.
I was inclined to say the one with Rudess was the classic lineup though.
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No mention of Dominici is allowed to be serious. :neverusethis:
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That part was the joke, the rest was dead serious ;)
I was inclined to that lineup as the classic one because, when it's all said and done, Jordan will probably be remembered as the definitive DT keyboardist.
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To answer the question for myself, I'd say Metallica with Newsted is my favourite lineup by a smidge over the classic lineup. The classic lineup was consistently great no doubt, but I personally come back to AJFA, TBA, and the best of Load/Reload a lot more than the earlier albums, and much prefer Jason Newsted over Cliff Burton. The classic lineup is the classic lineup though. :metal
Also Dream Theater. To me the SFAM lineup is THE band. :hefdaddy:
And Jimi Jamison Survivor. The earlier lineup has Eye of the Tiger (the song), and that's it for me.
The lineup with Newsted could be considered Metallica's classic lineup as well. That is when they were at their peak popularity and reached levels of success that they couldn't have dreamed about with Cliff. I'm inclined to say that they're one of the few bands that have two definitive lineups making it hard to say which is the "classic" lineup (DT being another with the Moore and Rudess lineups both being legendary).
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That part was the joke, the rest was dead serious ;)
I was inclined to that lineup as the classic one because, when it's all said and done, Jordan will probably be remembered as the definitive DT keyboardist.
I think when determining which lineup is "classic," you look at the band's most iconic albums, and see what lineup released those, and then err on the side of the band's era of greatest prominence (which is usually earlier in their career).
I would say that DT's most iconic and well-regarded albums outside of the dedicated fanbase are IAW, Awake and SFAM. Maybe 8VM as a fourth one. But I think that's enough to make Petrucci/Myung/Portnoy/Moore/LaBrie the classic lineup.
With Metallica, it's simpler. Though The Black Album and AJFA are well-regarded, MOP is considered their classic album, and RTL has a similar status to AJFA—I think Hetfield/Ulrich/Burton/Hammett should be considered the classic lineup.
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Yeah, if you're gonna omit SDOIT because of your personal opinion on it, sure.
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Yeah, if you're gonna omit SDOIT because of your personal opinion on it, sure.
Outside of DTF, I can see how 8vm could be more popular than SDoIT.
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I think it can definitely be argued that some bands have more than one classic lineup, just like many bands are often said to have more than one masterpiece, and I'd say bands like DT and VH certainly have more than one classic lineup.
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I don't know. I never looked at Van Hagar as a classic line up. Just a great line up. I used classic for the Dave era. Classic doesn't always mean best.
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I think it can definitely be argued that some bands have more than one classic lineup, just like many bands are often said to have more than one masterpiece, and I'd say bands like DT and VH certainly have more than one classic lineup.
I guess Black Sabbath could be an example of this when there is a classic Ozzy-era and classic Dio-era.
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Outside of DTF, I can see how 8vm could be more popular than SDoIT.
If that was true, 8varium is a Rudess album anyway.
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I don't know. I never looked at Van Hagar as a classic line up. Just a great line up. I used classic for the Dave era. Classic doesn't always mean best.
Yep. Given the hoopla for a Dave reunion and the lack of clamor for a Hagar one, DLR VH is seen as the classic lineup.
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Outside of DTF, I can see how 8vm could be more popular than SDoIT.
If that was true, 8varium is a Rudess album anyway.
Not the point, 425 was saying that IaW and Awake are praised collectively more than any other pair of DT albums, so that's their classic line-up. People treat those 2 like legendary albums and while SfaM gets the same treatment, SDoiT doesn't really get that outside of DTF from what I find as it tends to be somewhat divisive.
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I don't know. I never looked at Van Hagar as a classic line up. Just a great line up. I used classic for the Dave era. Classic doesn't always mean best.
Yep. Given the hoopla for a Dave reunion and the lack of clamor for a Hagar one, DLR VH is seen as the classic lineup.
They already had a Van Hagar reunion, over 10 years ago, and I am pretty sure it did extremely well.
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Not the point, 425 was saying that IaW and Awake are praised collectively more than any other pair of DT albums, so that's their classic line-up. People treat those 2 like legendary albums and while SfaM gets the same treatment, SDoiT doesn't really get that outside of DTF from what I find as it tends to be somewhat divisive.
Hm... Outside of DTF?
In the end, Moore being THE classic lineup is probably the right answer but i like to think the same as Kev, that i can argue classic status for both lineups.
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Yeah, if you're gonna omit SDOIT because of your personal opinion on it, sure.
Outside of DTF, I can see how 8vm could be more popular than SDoIT.
Yeah if you read what non-DT fans say about DT, 8VM is mentioned more often, in my estimation, than SDOIT. Nothing to do with my view on SDOIT, there's no reason at all to think that has anything to do with that. It's just the way it is. SDOIT is not an accessible album and has more of a cult-favorite status than a widely-regarded-classic status.
In my own estimation, in the music world at large, IAW and SFAM are the most recognized and praised, then Awake in third, then a drop-off to 8VM 4th, then another drop-off to SDOIT and ToT, then everything else is mostly off the radar (not including TA, I think it's too early to say on that one, though I imagine it will end up off the radar), with an SC, an FII or an ADTOE getting the occasional mention.
To substantiate this a bit, look at RateYourMusic. IAW has a 3.74 average on 7,191 ratings (the number of ratings is important because it shows how many people even cared to rate the album). SFAM has a 3.75 average on 6,193 ratings. Awake has a 3.67 average on 5,167 ratings. Then fourth place in terms of number of ratings is not SDOIT but Octavarium, which has 4,221 ratings and a 3.20 average. Then ToT at 3.45 average on 4,108 ratings. SDOIT outperforms these two on average rating, where it has a 3.54, but it has 3,710 ratings. Obviously this is not an exact science, and it's only one site, but I think it strongly suggests that SDOIT is not nearly as popular as IAW or SFAM, or even Awake—IAW has almost twice as many ratings as SDOIT!
SputnikMusic shows a similar trend, where IAW and SFAM have 2,636 and 2,760 ratings respectively, while SDOIT has 1,775. Interestingly, 8VM and ToT received more ratings than Awake on this site, but Awake does have the third-highest rating after IAW and SFAM. SDOIT comes in 4th in that metric, but 8th(!) in total votes received—which is a pattern totally consistent with a cult-favorite, which is exactly what it is. Again, this is far from an exact science, but it shows that what I'm saying I've observed is not stuff that I've just completely made up, but has some actual basis in the data provided by popular music-rating websites.
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But isn't a cult favorite something that only the fandom love? SDOIT clearly has a better rating than ToT and 8varium in both sites, so it's loved there too.
Also, in both sites, it's just a tiny difference of total votes between those three albums. If SDOIT had like, 1000 votes less than both, then i would agree is something akin to a cult favorite. And 3,700 votes for a prog metal album in RYM is a huge number, no album with that many amount of votes is a cult favorite.
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7,191 to 3,710 is not "a tiny difference." That's almost twice as many.
What I meant by "cult favorite" is that it is not among their most well-known albums, but it is liked by a lot of those who know it, and loved by its devotees. That fits SDOIT.
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Foo Fighters.
Grohl, Shiflett, Mendel, Hawkins > Grohl
there's more to like about the more recent lineup.
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7,191 to 3,710 is not "a tiny difference." That's almost twice as many.
I meant Octavarium, Train of Though and SDOIT difference of votes.
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Okay, that one is a tiny difference. My main argument, though, was that SDOIT is not nearly as popular as IAW and SFAM, is also noticeably less popular than Awake, and make no more sense than Octavarium to include as a fourth-most-popular album. I think the numbers I found suggest that my claims are probably accurate.
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Yeah, but that's what non DT fans think. Shouldn't the opinion of the dedicated fanbase count too?
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First, what is a classic album? I would say that it is an album that is among two or three albums that are automatically associated with an artist in the popular mind and are widely acclaimed as among their best albums. In some cases, you may not even have heard a note of an artist's music and still be able to name their classics. An obvious example: The Dark Side of the Moon is Pink Floyd's foremost classic album. It's the album that is most immediately and inextricably associated with Floyd, and it's very well-regarded. You could then say that The Wall and Wish You Were Here also qualify as classic albums from Floyd. Not as famous as TDSOTM, but still very immediate associations with the name Pink Floyd and widely acclaimed albums.
I would say that you can find two Dream Theater albums that are indisputably classics that the fanbase and casual listeners would all call classics: Images and Scenes.
The dedicated fans like SDOIT a lot. The casuals like 8VM a lot. But neither has the universal acclaim of IAW or SFAM. The dedicated fans don't really love 8VM, and the casual fans don't seem to really love SDOIT.
Then there's Awake, which is probably the closest thing to a consensus third choice among casual and dedicated fans.
To me, that makes it clear: DT's classic albums are IAW and SFAM, with Awake as a possible third classic. Then SDOIT and 8VM are the next level of cuts below classic.
Of course what the dedicated fans think matters. But dedicated fans, by themselves, do not a classic make. You and I have been having a back and forth in the Iron Maiden survivor threads on a tangentially related topic, so let me put it to you this way. I alluded to the opinions of the dedicated Maiden fanbase based on my experience on a particular, DTF-like forum. This particular, highly dedicated, segment of the fanbase would put Somewhere In Time on the same level as or higher than The Number of the Beast or Powerslave. No doubt. But their opinion on that, valid though it may be, does not vault Somewhere In Time (which really kind of is the SDOIT of Maiden fans) into the top tier of classic Iron Maiden albums—Iron Maiden's classic albums remain Beast and Powerslave with Piece of Mind as a possible third choice. SIT remains one of the lowest-regarded among Maiden's 80s albums among the casual fanbase and general music community.
Perhaps an even better example would be Tales From Topographic Oceans, but I don't know enough about the Yes fanbase's opinion on that album to say for sure. If it is widely loved among dedicated Yes fans, I would say that you have a very similar situation to SDOIT there. It's still not a Yes classic—those are Fragile and Close to the Edge.
So my position is that while the opinions of dedicated fans matter, dedicated fans alone cannot lionize an album after the fact and make it into a classic if the music world writ large disagrees. The set of the most dedicated Yes fans can all love TFTO, but they can't make it a classic Yes album by themselves. The set of the most dedicated Iron Maiden fans can all love SIT, but they can't make it a classic Iron Maiden album by themselves. And DTF can love SDOIT, but it cannot make it a classic Dream Theater album all by itself.
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Trying to differentiate casual/dedicated fans and gauge general opinion to determine what's classic for an obscure band like DT makes no sense to me. DT just aren't popular enough for that. I think it's obvious that the first two with both the KM/JLB lineup and the JR/MP lineup are considered classics by fans. The rest of this over-analysis baffles me.
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DT isn't some extremely obscure underground band. They're not obscure in the way that a lot of lesser-known prog/metal/whatever bands are obscure. They exist somewhere on the bubble of known and obscure. They typify their genre of music, which doesn't make obscure, but they have a pretty obscure genre, which doesn't make them known. But prog metal isn't obscure like post-electro-shoegaze-core.
DT is known well enough to have a lot of people talking about them who aren't hardcore fans. You will see DT talked about on prog forums, metal forums, and even forums about music in general. And I'm just saying, you look at a music forum, you look at a prog forum, you look at a metal forum, hardly anyone is talking about SDOIT. They're talking about IAW, SFAM, maybe Awake, and 8VM (for the title track, mostly, I suspect). SDOIT just does not have the same status in the world outside of DTF as the likes of IAW and SFAM do. It is not on that level in terms of popularity. Nothing wrong with that, that's nothing against it, but that's just the truth.
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I think it's obvious that the first two with both the KM/JLB lineup and the JR/MP lineup are considered classics by fans.
That's what i think. Rudess did SFAM and the fourth most well regarded DT album, plus he's with the band for nearly 20 years now.
Moore being the classic lineup is the common sense here, but if someone argues Rudess, i don't think he's on the wrong either.
EDIT: Oh, i realized i derailed the thread with this discussion. My bad :blush
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Motley Crue - they are just one of those bands for me, but the lone album with Corabi is a gem.
I like the s/t album better than any other Motley Crue album, but I almost consider it a separate band, since it doesn't really sound like the Crue.
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I have a more controversial lineup. I love the Revenge-era Kiss than the classic Kiss. Bruce Kulick gets more love from me than Ace Frehley. :lol
Revenge is my favorite Kiss album.
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Me too.
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Me too. But I love all eras of KISS just as much.
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Anyone at all even remotely interested in my take on the Kiss Discography? Since we've been talking about them I've been revisiting some of the mid- and later-nonmakeup- period stuff, and it might be fun if people are interested in reading and (much more importantly) commenting on each of the albums.
I can put them in reverse order of "my favorite" too, to add to it.
Just a thought...
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Anyone at all even remotely interested in my take on the Kiss Discography? Since we've been talking about them I've been revisiting some of the mid- and later-nonmakeup- period stuff, and it might be fun if people are interested in reading and (much more importantly) commenting on each of the albums.
I can put them in reverse order of "my favorite" too, to add to it.
Just a thought...
start one of these: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41524.0
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I'll read it, although I'd probably be busy to comment all the time. :tup
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I have a more controversial lineup. I love the Revenge-era Kiss than the classic Kiss. Bruce Kulick gets more love from me than Ace Frehley. :lol
Revenge is my favorite Kiss album.
That opening riff in Unholy is glorious.
And of course, God Gave Rock and Roll to us! :metal :lol
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Anyone at all even remotely interested in my take on the Kiss Discography? Since we've been talking about them I've been revisiting some of the mid- and later-nonmakeup- period stuff, and it might be fun if people are interested in reading and (much more importantly) commenting on each of the albums.
I can put them in reverse order of "my favorite" too, to add to it.
Just a thought...
I'll be very interested, indeed.
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Anyone at all even remotely interested in my take on the Kiss Discography? Since we've been talking about them I've been revisiting some of the mid- and later-nonmakeup- period stuff, and it might be fun if people are interested in reading and (much more importantly) commenting on each of the albums.
I can put them in reverse order of "my favorite" too, to add to it.
Just a thought...
start one of these: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41524.0
DO IT
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Okay. Done. Give me a day or so to get things organized.
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Motley Crue - they are just one of those bands for me, but the lone album with Corabi is a gem.
I like the s/t album better than any other Motley Crue album, but I almost consider it a separate band, since it doesn't really sound like the Crue.
Way better than any of their other albums!
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I don't know. I never looked at Van Hagar as a classic line up. Just a great line up. I used classic for the Dave era. Classic doesn't always mean best.
Yep. Given the hoopla for a Dave reunion and the lack of clamor for a Hagar one, DLR VH is seen as the classic lineup.
Supposedly, the Van Hagar reunion is right around the corner. No joke. But, I can't see Sammy touring with Wolfie. His loyalty to MA has me thinking Mikey would have to be in it or it wouldn't happen at all.
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I read an interview with Sammy a week or two ago. He said that the only way he would ever play with Van Halen again is with Michael Anthony. So no reunion is right around the corner.
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Red Hot with Dave Navarro. I think One Hot Minute is a great record (and the better RHCP record instrumentally speaking) and to me that lineup had the potential to do better records yet.
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I read an interview with Sammy a week or two ago. He said that the only way he would ever play with Van Halen again is with Michael Anthony. So no reunion is right around the corner.
I agree, but in the fture, I can see that happening. "Dad, I've got my own gig, you need to go one more time around with the old gang". I don't know if Ed would do it, but I can see that conversation happening.
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Wolf has a gig with Tremonti and couldn't tour with him because of his contractual obligation to Van Halen.
He recorded the Tremonti album but toured with VH.
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Wolf has a gig with Tremonti and couldn't tour with him because of his contractual obligation to Van Halen.
He recorded the Tremonti album but toured with VH.
I think I heard Wolf isn't in Tremonti anymore, you are correct he did record with them, but I just read somewhere (an interview with Mark Tremonti I think) where he said Wolf is going to do his on thing or something like that.
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Nope. Wolf wanted to tour agsin with him but already had the VH tour.
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Red Hot with Dave Navarro. I think One Hot Minute is a great record (and the better RHCP record instrumentally speaking) and to me that lineup had the potential to do better records yet.
Good call. One Hot Minute is a kick ass album.
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Porcupine Tree - I may be the biggest Chris Maitland fan on the forum and I honestly think pre-Gavin Harrison PT was just as good, but I also think Gavin joining was the final piece of the puzzle and it was smooth sailing from the band after that.
I started listening to PT right when Gavin joined the band so I wasn't a fan of pre-IA PT but as I've gotten older and listened to the earlier records I really enjoy Chris Maitland's drumming. It's not Gavin but his style meshed so well with pre-PT that they are pretty much on the same level.
That's just my drunken rambling though.