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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: CharlesPL on March 03, 2016, 01:25:59 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fQ3XOnMsX4
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VERY nice! Jordan's piano part almost makes me wish it were that way in the original.
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Cool video, thanks for posting!
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Yeah, really cool! When was this done? I thought they stopped doing covers when Portnoy left.
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??? Why would you think that?
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That was fucking beautiful
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First thing that came to my attention: CASIO? :lol There's really not a brand in the planet that doesn't endorse Jordan Rudess.
Awesome cover.
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Beautiful!
I hope DT will do an acoustic show, or half-acoustic show, sometime in the future.
Unusual and nice to see James singing without a microphone,
and the handwritten notes on Jordans screen :)
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Filmed in Oslo Konserthus, cool! (I was there for the concert sunday.)
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That was simply beautiful. Wish I was there!
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??? Why would you think that?
Dude, I don't know. What do any of us here think anything :lol
Am I alone in thinking that? Not so much that everyone else in the band hated it, more that MP just pushed it more.
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Unusual and nice to see James singing without a microphone
I would love to see more of that! More generally, naked and raw performances of singers are so rare to come by. Studio reports are dime and a dozen, but it's very rare to find clips from singers just singing, no effects, no music beneath, just their pure voice (which is where you actually see the strenght of a singer) and nothing else!
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More [..] naked [...] performances
I agree.
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Very nice cover.
??? Why would you think that?
Dude, I don't know. What do any of us here think anything :lol
Am I alone in thinking that? Not so much that everyone else in the band hated it, more that MP just pushed it more.
I don't think there have been any other covers in the MM era. Could be wrong, but I'd also say that MP was the one to push covers.
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They Played Paradigm Shift and 21st Century Schizoid Man - Huntington, NY 2012
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Must be in a minority that wasn't a big fan. JP and JLB are fine, but Jordan overplays it.
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Must be in a minority that wasn't a big fan. JP and JLB are fine, but Jordan overplays it.
He usually does. I used to be very annoyed by that a couple of years ago but I grew to like it. Those fast arpeggios and blue scales are so JR, you know? So I really didn't mind them in this cover.
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Can anyone see what JR has on his cheat sheet ? It looks like notation but it's far too short to be the entire song..
maybe just the intro ?
Also - nice harmonies from John.
EDIT - also the drumkit doesn't look so huge that close up and with only 2 bass drums.
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That is awesome! My favorite band playing a song by my second favorite band. It doesn't get much better than that. :heart
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also the drumkit doesn't look so huge that close up and with only 2 bass drums.
Funny, I had the same reaction when I was hanging out up on the stage with JP and Frank Aresti before the show when I saw them last tour. JP said I could go stand behind the kit and take a closer look as long as I didn't touch anything, and I was thinking how it doesn't look nearly as big as I thought it would.
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I would love to see more of that! More generally, naked and raw performances of singers are so rare to come by. Studio reports are dime and a dozen, but it's very rare to find clips from singers just singing, no effects, no music beneath, just their pure voice (which is where you actually see the strenght of a singer) and nothing else!
Yes yes yes! I'm surprised they did this, very unusual for them.
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Can anyone see what JR has on his cheat sheet ? It looks like notation but it's far too short to be the entire song..
maybe just the intro ?
Yes; the first staff/pentagram is what he plays from 0:46 - 0:52. The last bar of the 2nd staff is what he plays at 1:00/1:01 (the notes are A-B-D-B-E). The rest of the writing I can't make out, but yes, it's the intro.
It's confusing, though, because the last bar of the first staff makes you think he would play the last notes of the phrase an octave higher, but he plays them as the original version.
EDIT - Holy crap, already 300 posts in under a month! :)
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Labrie really tapped into the floydian side of his voice for this one. Awesome cover.
Those JP backing vocals though :metal
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Yeah, John's backing vocals is really the nice surprise in this vid. :)
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Great to see them going for a cover again, always great to hear John's backing vocals. Perhaps Jordan could have toned it down a tad though...
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Loved it !
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Awesome!
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Glad you guys dug it. I set it up with Classic Rock Magazine here in the UK a while back as part of their coverage around the album release (another piece being the current April 2016 issue's Story Behind The Song feature on Pull Me Under). We flew them out to the second Oslo show last weekend, so they could film it in the afternoon before the gig. (We didn't do it in London to let the guys have the day to concentrate on the show, given we had the very first two performances here). Think they did a splendid job! We did something else (also for Classic Rock) at the same time, so that's to come in due course too. :tup
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Awesome, really looking forward to seeing more!
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Glad you guys dug it. I set it up with Classic Rock Magazine here in the UK a while back as part of their coverage around the album release (another piece being the current April 2016 issue's Story Behind The Song feature on Pull Me Under). We flew them out to the second Oslo show last weekend, so they could film it in the afternoon before the gig. (We didn't do it in London to let the guys have the day to concentrate on the show, given we had the very first two performances here). Think they did a splendid job! We did something else (also for Classic Rock) at the same time, so that's to come in due course too. :tup
Awesome work, sir! These kinds of things are great.
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Excellent :tup
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Glad you guys dug it. I set it up with Classic Rock Magazine here in the UK a while back as part of their coverage around the album release (another piece being the current April 2016 issue's Story Behind The Song feature on Pull Me Under). We flew them out to the second Oslo show last weekend, so they could film it in the afternoon before the gig. (We didn't do it in London to let the guys have the day to concentrate on the show, given we had the very first two performances here). Think they did a splendid job! We did something else (also for Classic Rock) at the same time, so that's to come in due course too. :tup
Awesome work, sir! These kinds of things are great.
Awesome work, Madam (because Kix is a girl - look at the gender). ;)
B.Lee
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??? Why would you think that?
Dude, I don't know. What do any of us here think anything :lol
Am I alone in thinking that? Not so much that everyone else in the band hated it, more that MP just pushed it more.
I don't think there have been any other covers in the MM era. Could be wrong, but I'd also say that MP was the one to push covers.
And this wasn't in an official concert with the full band.
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A very nice cover. Could have done with some of Jordan's improv, but that's the way he feels the song.
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I loved it. JP's backing vocal was really nice.
MP was definitely the driving force behind doing covers, especially the full-album covers. I love this, because it is a cover that we get to see and hear, and it isn't a direct copy of the original, and it isn't taking up "DT concert time".
Looking forward to the next one.
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Glad you guys dug it. I set it up with Classic Rock Magazine here in the UK a while back as part of their coverage around the album release (another piece being the current April 2016 issue's Story Behind The Song feature on Pull Me Under). We flew them out to the second Oslo show last weekend, so they could film it in the afternoon before the gig. (We didn't do it in London to let the guys have the day to concentrate on the show, given we had the very first two performances here). Think they did a splendid job! We did something else (also for Classic Rock) at the same time, so that's to come in due course too. :tup
Awesome work, sir! These kinds of things are great.
Awesome work, Madam (because Kix is a girl - look at the gender). ;)
B.Lee
Oops. Sorry about that!
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More [..] naked [...] performances
I agree.
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You sure with DT? ;P
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MP was definitely the driving force behind doing covers, especially the full-album covers.
He was perhaps the main driving force, but was not the driving force. JP was definitely a driving force as well. Not sure about the other band members.
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Pretty sure the concept was MP's and that MP picked the albums they covered.
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More [..] naked [...] performances
I agree.
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You sure with DT? ;P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2b5x4KAIs
Petrucci pornstar is eager to do so.
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Must be in a minority that wasn't a big fan. JP and JLB are fine, but Jordan overplays it.
Some time ago I found a Rudess cover of Steven Wilsons The Raven That Refused to Sing - and as much as I love the guy, all I could think was "Dude, stop, calm down". The great thing about the song was the fact that it's carried by those few notes, playing a million notes a second kills the whole thing. Kind of feel the same with this cover. Petrucci and LaBrie are great though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2b5x4KAIs
Petrucci pornstar is eager to do so.
MY EYES
I wonder what that style looks like to you men.
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Pretty sure the concept was MP's and that MP picked the albums they covered.
For the cover albums, yes, I believe you are correct. For cover songs, no, it was not just MP.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2b5x4KAIs
Petrucci pornstar is eager to do so.
MY EYES
I wonder what that style looks like to you men.
It's the man we all strive to be.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2b5x4KAIs
Petrucci pornstar is eager to do so.
MY EYES
I wonder what that style looks like to you men.
It's the man we all strive to be.
Oh. Just don't copy that style while getting there 8)
(sorry off topic)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2b5x4KAIs
Petrucci pornstar is eager to do so.
MY EYES
I wonder what that style looks like to you men.
It's the man we all strive to be.
Being a Hugh Hefner that plays guitar? That's the dream.
In all seriousness, that's like overdoing his Budokan look (which I think was his best). And with the development of this conversation, DTF: being homo-erotic since 2007.
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Must be in a minority that wasn't a big fan. JP and JLB are fine, but Jordan overplays it.
Some time ago I found a Rudess cover of Steven Wilsons The Raven That Refused to Sing - and as much as I love the guy, all I could think was "Dude, stop, calm down". The great thing about the song was the fact that it's carried by those few notes, playing a million notes a second kills the whole thing. Kind of feel the same with this cover. Petrucci and LaBrie are great though.
I remember that video, yeah. That was definitely over the top. Didn't think it was too bad with this one though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2b5x4KAIs
Petrucci pornstar is eager to do so.
MY EYES
I wonder what that style looks like to you men.
I guess there might be different opinions among men just as there probably are among women.
Personally, I'd never dye my hair, or grow a beard/mustache, or sunglasses (not even at the beach), or wear piercings, so that style looks awful to me.
Except for the short hair - I think it looked good on John, and I think it usually looks good on everyone.
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I loved it.
MP was definitely the driving force behind doing covers, especially the full-album covers. I love this, because it is a cover that we get to see and hear, and it isn't a direct copy of the original, and it isn't taking up "DT concert time".
Yup, and I loved it too!
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I personally always loved the occasional cover thrown into the concert. It's the "here's a whole CD you can buy" approach that I felt was a bit much after a while.
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I personally always loved the occasional cover thrown into the concert. It's the "here's a whole CD you can buy" approach that I felt was a bit much after a while.
I agree.
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I find the "Jordan overplays" comments painfully tiring. It's just a stylistic choice. If you don't like the way he plays, that's absolutely fine, but to suggest he "overplays" is just such a dull and irritating criticism.
If he toned it down when he didn't want to, he wouldn't be Jordan. That's the way he likes to play and wants play most of the time. Variety is the spice of life. If you don't like the style, stay away from Jordan (for most of the time)... it's simple really.
There's something about the word "overplay" that suggests he's doing it wrong. There is no right or wrong, there's just expression. If you prefer more subtle expression, that's totally legit, but don't get on your high horse and criticism someone for "overplaying".
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Pray tell, how are people then supposed to indicate that they think Jordan plays too many notes? With your argument, one must never not like a thing Jordan does, because if he didn't do it, it wouldn't be Jordan.
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Pray tell, how are people then supposed to indicate that they think Jordan plays too many notes? With your argument, one must never not like a thing Jordan does, because if he didn't do it, it wouldn't be Jordan.
He's being too Jordan?
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I guess there might be different opinions among men just as there probably are among women.
Personally, I'd never dye my hair, or grow a beard/mustache, or sunglasses (not even at the beach), or wear piercings, so that style looks awful to me.
Except for the short hair - I think it looked good on John, and I think it usually looks good on everyone.
I see. There are really different opinions of course! To me it's the complete opposite: I always prefer long hair over short (both male and female), dyed hair can be really pretty/cool and a (not too huge) beard makes things so much better ;p
Ontopic: I like the cover. xD
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Pray tell, how are people then supposed to indicate that they think Jordan plays too many notes? With your argument, one must never not like a thing Jordan does, because if he didn't do it, it wouldn't be Jordan.
The notion of "playing too many notes" is dumb, as is the notion of turning to a punk band and saying "you're not playing enough notes". You seem to have completely missed my point; I say it's totally fine/expectable/understandable for anyone not to like what Jordan's doing, my objection is with the concept of "playing too many notes"... I must presume you're either trolling me or are unable to read.
Maybe I'm just being pedantic though - if people said "I wish Jordan would be more subtle" is wouldn't bother me. But Jordan just isn't subtle is he? And that's his choice, it's not "right" or "wrong" like some people seem to make out.
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Very nice!
12 string guitar? Can anyone tell how often JP uses that?
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The notion of "playing too many notes" is dumb
No it's not.
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Must be in a minority that wasn't a big fan. JP and JLB are fine, but Jordan overplays it.
I agree with you. JR can really overplay sometimes.
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Must be in a minority that wasn't a big fan. JP and JLB are fine, but Jordan overplays it.
I agree with you. JR can really overplay sometimes.
I agree too, I really love James voice on it, and John plays very neat but, not everything needs fast arpegios :censored
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srry dubblepost
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Nice version! Jordan goes over the top with the arpeggios on some covers, but I don't mind his playing here.
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When JR plays alone or without drums, bass, any kind of backing. He tends to play more notes to fill up that space. Look at him playing Space Dye-Vest with James, then with the band. It's more subtle but he still adds his little flares.
Now a song like Raven I can see not needing those flares because well, its meant to be subtle. Steven even had to tell Guthrie he's only gonna play basically those three notes.
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Off topic but I think Steven had some great direction for Guthrie. Guthrie is a monster but when he restrained a bit you get some amazing solos, like the one in Drive Home.
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Pray tell, how are people then supposed to indicate that they think Jordan plays too many notes? With your argument, one must never not like a thing Jordan does, because if he didn't do it, it wouldn't be Jordan.
The notion of "playing too many notes" is dumb, as is the notion of turning to a punk band and saying "you're not playing enough notes". You seem to have completely missed my point; I say it's totally fine/expectable/understandable for anyone not to like what Jordan's doing, my objection is with the concept of "playing too many notes"... I must presume you're either trolling me or are unable to read.
Maybe I'm just being pedantic though - if people said "I wish Jordan would be more subtle" is wouldn't bother me. But Jordan just isn't subtle is he? And that's his choice, it's not "right" or "wrong" like some people seem to make out.
But JR can play more subtly. We usually don't make note of it because it's....subtle. And a lot of us like it when he plays more subtly. It's all about context. If a song is written to be subtle, and then JR comes and gets rid of the subtlety because whatever reason he has, we have every right to make note of it.
It's not like JR wrote this song. He is literally adding notes to someone else's song. That's kind of the very definition of playing too many notes.
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A great example of JR not overplaying anything is The Astonishing. I can't imagine it gets any better than that.
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Love the cover and love JR playing. I agree its a matter of taste, if he would have played less notes I would probably said "this is nice, but idd wish JR would add a bit more to it"
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Only if Jordan cooled it with his keyboard wankery it would've been one of their best covers ever. JP impressed me with his high harmonies, and JLB tried to emulate Gilmour and did a decent job at it. He kept looking at what seemed like a lyric cheat sheet though wtf!
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Only if Jordan cooled it with his keyboard wankery it would've been one of their best covers ever. JP impressed me with his high harmonies, and JLB tried to emulate Gilmour and did a decent job at it. He kept looking at what seemed like a lyric cheat sheet though wtf!
Oh come on. The dude currently has to remember every lyric to The Astonishing. It's okay to not remember the lyrics to a one-off cover.
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Not a big deal if JLB has to look at a lyric sheet. Not everyone knows the song word for word.
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Meanwhile Jordan plays with music sheets in front of him and nobody ever cared about it :lol
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Only if Jordan cooled it with his keyboard wankery it would've been one of their best covers ever. JP impressed me with his high harmonies, and JLB tried to emulate Gilmour and did a decent job at it. He kept looking at what seemed like a lyric cheat sheet though wtf!
Oh come on. The dude currently has to remember every lyric to The Astonishing. It's okay to not remember the lyrics to a one-off cover.
I think that's something James has done in the past. Maybe he just has a bad memory. I won't criticize him for that.
Pray tell, how are people then supposed to indicate that they think Jordan plays too many notes? With your argument, one must never not like a thing Jordan does, because if he didn't do it, it wouldn't be Jordan.
The notion of "playing too many notes" is dumb, as is the notion of turning to a punk band and saying "you're not playing enough notes". You seem to have completely missed my point; I say it's totally fine/expectable/understandable for anyone not to like what Jordan's doing, my objection is with the concept of "playing too many notes"... I must presume you're either trolling me or are unable to read.
Maybe I'm just being pedantic though - if people said "I wish Jordan would be more subtle" is wouldn't bother me. But Jordan just isn't subtle is he? And that's his choice, it's not "right" or "wrong" like some people seem to make out.
But JR can play more subtly. We usually don't make note of it because it's....subtle. And a lot of us like it when he plays more subtly. It's all about context. If a song is written to be subtle, and then JR comes and gets rid of the subtlety because whatever reason he has, we have every right to make note of it.
It's not like JR wrote this song. He is literally adding notes to someone else's song. That's kind of the very definition of playing too many notes.
I think taking that literally, then yes he was playing too many notes because the song requires less notes. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing though.
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In his defense, the lyrics to Wish you were here are actually very complicated. He does look like he's reading off a lyrics sheet, but I can't see where it is located.
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Not a big deal if JLB has to look at a lyric sheet. Not everyone knows the song word for word.
Indeed, some songs are famous enough that you're able to know them without proper rehearsals first, but it doesn't mean you know all the exact lyrics... Jordan as well had the sheets in front of him anyway!
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I think that's something James has done in the past. Maybe he just has a bad memory. I won't criticize him for that.
I really have to defend that, he has a crazy good memory (of lyrics and timing) and proved that in his whole DT career.
Small mistakes or reading lyrics for a cover are nothing compared to all that goes well imo.
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I think that's something James has done in the past. Maybe he just has a bad memory. I won't criticize him for that.
I really have to defend that, he has a crazy good memory (of lyrics and timing) and proved that in his whole DT career.
Small mistakes or reading lyrics for a cover are nothing compared to all that goes well imo.
Maybe someone else can back up what I'm saying, but like I said I am pretty sure he has done this in the past. Maybe at the beginning of a tour or something. I could be wrong but it has nothing to do with the song being a cover. Remembering timing and remembering hundreds of words throughout a show are not the same thing. Like I said, I'm not criticizing him, I'm just bringing up something that has happened before.
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Pretty cool cover. Really liked John's explanation at the end.
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Maybe someone else can back up what I'm saying, but like I said I am pretty sure he has done this in the past. Maybe at the beginning of a tour or something. I could be wrong but it has nothing to do with the song being a cover. Remembering timing and remembering hundreds of words throughout a show are not the same thing. Like I said, I'm not criticizing him, I'm just bringing up something that has happened before.
During the Uncovered show from January 1995, James did at least a couple of songs at that show with lyrics sheet in hand. The footage might be on YouTube, although I doubt it.
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Meanwhile Jordan plays with music sheets in front of him and nobody ever cared about it :lol
Best point thus far.
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I like Jordan's playing, but I like covers that differ or add to the original song.
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In his defense, the lyrics to Wish you were here are actually very complicated. He does look like he's reading off a lyrics sheet, but I can't see where it is located.
The lyrics are easy, what's tricky is the phrasing. I guess I expected him to know such a classic word for word . But overall he did good without trying too hard to sound like Gilmour or "LaBrie" the song.
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I love Wish You Were Here and I don't know it word for word.
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They should play a few covers at their live shows. Maybe pick two or three songs from some of the albums they've already covered
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Put together a list of like 10 covers or something and pull a random out everynight. (in a world where they werent playing The Astonishing front to back)
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I think the cover was okay. Jordan indeed overplayed it a bit, but he does that a lot of the time, and it sort of still all fit here. I didn't really like James singing at the start of the song, it sounded way too breathy for my tastes.
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I have no problem with playing "too many notes" if the vibe and the music call for it, er, I wouldn't be a DT fan if I did have a problem. But on certain songs it isn't necessary and spoils the experience, and I think it does on this song.
I get that it's Jordan's schtick, and judging by the need for hastily scribbled notation he probably isn't familiar with the song. But a bit of restraint would have improved it immensely.
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Wasn't there supposed to be more videos from this session?
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I thoroughly enjoyed that. Stripped-back DT, yes! Love it. Thanks for that (both setting it up and sharing)
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Came here expecting "omg Jordan overplays it".
Wasn't disappointed.
srsly this is like one of the only Pink Floyd songs I like and he didn't run it at all