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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Dream Team on February 04, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
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Just thinking ahead . . . Six Degrees Disc 1 has gotten little love over the years. With the 15th anniversary of that album approaching, I'd love it if they played it in its entirety on the 2nd tour. Then throw in the unplayed songs from the last album like Surrender to Reason, Beneath the Veil, and The Bigger Picture; then round it out with some classics that haven't been played in awhile such as A Changes of Seasons/Octavarium/In The Name of God/Learning to Live/etc. I think that would be a great setlist.
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Yeah, if there is a second leg (and I think there likely will be, just given the nature of the present tour), I tend to think it may likely consist of:
-a "suite" or "mini-set" of songs from The Astonishing
-a good representation from Six Degrees
-a good mix of other songs from throughout the discography
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If so, I hope they will do the 42-minutes-long suite as well, I really want them to play it again
Maybe they could do in a not distant future a single gig or a couple, a dozens of gigs where they play only the longest songs and the suites, it would be really interesting
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If so, I hope they will do the 42-minutes-long suite as well
I highly doubt they will, ever. It is just too long to decided to a single song, especially since they did it on a previous tour, and then did it again as a special performance on Score.
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Yeah, if there is a second leg (and I think there likely will be, just given the nature of the present tour), I tend to think it may likely consist of:
-a "suite" or "mini-set" of songs from The Astonishing
-a good representation from Six Degrees
-a good mix of other songs from throughout the discography
That would be sweet.
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
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Yeah, if there is a second leg (and I think there likely will be, just given the nature of the present tour), I tend to think it may likely consist of:
-a "suite" or "mini-set" of songs from The Astonishing
-a good representation from Six Degrees
-a good mix of other songs from throughout the discography
Actually I could see something like what you're suggesting next year, assuming they want to take a break from the studio (while working on the followup to TA) like they did last year, but I'd imagine this year will probably be reserved just for presenting TA live. Considering the fact that there are many cities in both Europe and North America that aren't going to be hit on the current tour, I'd imagine they'll tour those areas on second legs, along with runs through South America, Asia and Oceania. And like they did for the 2014 tour, I don't imagine the setlist changing at all, unless they happen to do some European festival shows.
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I guess what I am trying to say is, given what they are specifically trying to accomplish with this tour, I do not anticipate a second leg or second "tour" of them just presenting The Astonishing. The fact that the number of shows on this tour is somewhat limited is by design, and I don't see them going back and trying to fill the gaps and play this same show in other places that they missed. I would instead anticipate a more traditional tour sometime soon after, whether late summer/fall, or early next year. I could easily be mistaken, but that type of thing seems in line with JP's mindset.
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I'd like for a second run-though of the States to be more of a traditional set. Considering the last two tours (this upcoming one and the 2014 tour) relied SOO heavily on just 4 albums (Awake, Scenes, DT, TA), I'd rather go see them play a traditional evening with show hitting on MOST of the albums. I've mocked up a set real quick that I think is pretty good, where it hits a bunch of songs Mangini hasn't played with the band, most of the albums (skipping Awake and Scenes for obvious reasons), while also making an effort to keep some Astonishing songs and other MM-era songs. Plus an epic encore.
0. False Awakening Suite (Intro Tape)
1. In the Presence of Enemies – Part 1
2. Honor Thy Father
---JLB Hello, introduction of a song never played on tour---
3. The Bigger Picture
4. Hell’s Kitchen
5. The Gift of Music
6. Blind Faith
7. Outcry
8. Surrender to Reason
---intermission---
9. A Nightmare to Remember
10. Behind the Veil
11. Another Hand/The Killing Hand
12. Losing Faythe
13. Whispers on the Wind
14. Hymn of a Thousand Voices
15. Our New World
16. Take the Time
---encore---
17. Octavarium
EDIT - also, what bosk said.
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^I think something like that is fairly realistic. And that would actually be a pretty good set list too.
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I like this set, except replace Losing Faythe - Whispers on the Wind - Hymn of a Thousand Voices - Our New World sequence with The Answer - A Better Life - Lord Nafaryus - A Savior in the Square - When Your Time Has Come - Three Days sequence (leave out Act of Faythe) and I'll be all over it.
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^I think something like that is fairly realistic. And that would actually be a pretty good set list too.
Take out Honor Thy Father and Hell's Kitchen for just about anything else and let Outcry close the first set instead and I'd greatly enjoy such a set as well.
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^I think something like that is fairly realistic. And that would actually be a pretty good set list too.
Thanks ;)
Also, when was the last time they played a show where the opener was a song NOT from the newest album? I guess they did so on the 30th Anniversary tour (Afterlife is a great opener!), but the last time I saw them do it was in 2004 in Worcester when they opened with Metropolis. I love it when the opener is a complete surprise. Something like ItPoE1 would be really cool and unexpected, I think.
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I like this set, except replace Losing Faythe - Whispers on the Wind - Hymn of a Thousand Voices - Our New World sequence with The Answer - A Better Life - Lord Nafaryus - A Savior in the Square - When Your Time Has Come - Three Days sequence (leave out Act of Faythe) and I'll be all over it.
Take out Honor Thy Father and Hell's Kitchen for just about anything else and let Outcry close the first set instead and I'd greatly enjoy such a set as well.
Hmm, yes, personal opinions aside (I'm sure the band would have their own as well), HTF could be replaced with another ToT track (TDS would be cool), and really any "suite" from TA would work. I think Hell's Kitchen would make a great intro to The Gift of Music, though. To each his own, this was really more of a rough draft to get something more traditional after the past few tours have had "themes" (forgot to include the 30th Ann. set in my original post, which was a bit more traditional, but that's still a theme of going chronologically)
EDIT - sorry for double post!
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I guess what I am trying to say is, given what they are specifically trying to accomplish with this tour, I do not anticipate a second leg or second "tour" of them just presenting The Astonishing. The fact that the number of shows on this tour is somewhat limited is by design, and I don't see them going back and trying to fill the gaps and play this same show in other places that they missed. I would instead anticipate a more traditional tour sometime soon after, whether late summer/fall, or early next year. I could easily be mistaken, but that type of thing seems in line with JP's mindset.
Not sure I'm getting that same feeling. If I'm not mistaken, I think they had said that this tour would be just about the new album. And especially considering the fact that so much of Europe is being skipped this time around, I can't help but think that they'll at least do another run thru there later this year. Hopefully they'll also go thru North America again and finally hit the southern region they've overlooked.
I guess the reason why I really feel they won't do anything else is because of what they did in 2014. The setlist never changed at all for any of the Evening With shows despite what band members had said when they would play the same cities a second time around. So I'd expect the same will be true this time around...unless this tour just proves to be too much for JL, which honestly it could be. If that were the case, then I could see them going back to more of a standard format show.
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I guess what I am trying to say is, given what they are specifically trying to accomplish with this tour, I do not anticipate a second leg or second "tour" of them just presenting The Astonishing. The fact that the number of shows on this tour is somewhat limited is by design, and I don't see them going back and trying to fill the gaps and play this same show in other places that they missed.
Unless the album and/or tour has an incredibly positive reception that warrants another leg, but I'm not holding my breath /Texas sadness.
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I made this one in the other thread a few days ago-
Evening with DT 2017
Descent of the NOMACS
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
The Enemy Inside
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Constant Motion
Light Fuse and Get Away
Three Days
The Hovering Sojourn
Brother Can You Hear Me
A Life Left Behind
Outcry
Octavarium
*Clock goes back 20 years*
New Millenium
Just Let me Breathe
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
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Surrender to Reason
Take the Time
The Great Debate
Chosen
Moment of Betrayal
Road to Revolution
Glass Prison
I think I'd happily pay twice the ticket price to see this :lol :lol :metal
Edit: added Chosen. Really should be there :)
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I find that setlist to be a nightmare TheAtliator, shows how different DT fans are sometimes :lol
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I guess what I am trying to say is, given what they are specifically trying to accomplish with this tour, I do not anticipate a second leg or second "tour" of them just presenting The Astonishing. The fact that the number of shows on this tour is somewhat limited is by design, and I don't see them going back and trying to fill the gaps and play this same show in other places that they missed. I would instead anticipate a more traditional tour sometime soon after, whether late summer/fall, or early next year. I could easily be mistaken, but that type of thing seems in line with JP's mindset.
That sounds promising. :)
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I guess what I am trying to say is, given what they are specifically trying to accomplish with this tour, I do not anticipate a second leg or second "tour" of them just presenting The Astonishing. The fact that the number of shows on this tour is somewhat limited is by design, and I don't see them going back and trying to fill the gaps and play this same show in other places that they missed. I would instead anticipate a more traditional tour sometime soon after, whether late summer/fall, or early next year. I could easily be mistaken, but that type of thing seems in line with JP's mindset.
That sounds promising. :)
Well, I do want to make sure I am not creating any misimpressions though. I do not have any insider knowledge specific to this tour. I am basing that off of just some other things I know and have learned over time, most of which is either public knowledge or can easily be deduced from things that are public knowledge. To kind of summarize a couple of the main things that jump out in my mind:
-A few years back, I had a brief conversation with JP about Mike's proposal that they take a hiatus and reform. Remember the timing of that for a second and put it in context. For Black Clouds, they had NOT done a regular DT headlining tour in North America. They did Prog Nation, which was a shorter set and, if I'm not mistaken, was 23 dates, and they opened for Maiden, which was a short set and was, I think, 26 dates. A lot of fans held out waiting for that proper headlining tour to support the albums, which ultimately never came. I said that I felt like, even though PN is cool enough, and the Maiden tour was definitely a good idea for the band in terms of exposure, they lost some momentum by not doing a tour supporting an album that had had such a high chart release, and that it seemed like the proposal to take a hiatus for a couple of years would have slowed their momentum even further. John said my instincts were dead-on, and that was pretty much how they felt. To kind of restate and paraphrase on of the themes of that conversation: JP seems to be strongly of the opinion that, while it is a good idea to break the mold and try new things, it is important to make sure to consistently give the fans what they want in a live setting so that they keep coming back and the momentum does not lose steam.
-On the present tour, JP has said that they want to do a limited run of shows in a different kind of venue so that they can present his vision of The Astonishing. They key to me here is that these are different venues, and this is a limited run. So I don't think they are planning to do another North American leg where they do the same thing and book more of these types of theaters to present The Astonishing.
Putting both of those together, I just think they will do some sort of more traditional tour later on in this tour cycle so that the larger fan base will get more of the type of show they are used to and can hear some of their favorite songs. That just makes the most sense to me. John understands that, although the band was fortunate to have garnered a huge fanbase doing something completely different than "mainstream music," they have found a formula that works. And despite that this album and tour are very different for DT, he has shown in the past that he is careful about straying too far (in his mind) from that formula.
So...that's basically my thinking. I could be totally off base. But time will tell.
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^^^You'd think it would be the opposite, since they put so much effort into this album being a complete cohesive work, and the effort of a (hopefully) elaborate production show, that they'd wanna milk the hell out of this thing and bring it literally everywhere.
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@bosk That actually seems completely rational. I don't think they're just going to do this small tour performing The Astonishing and then not tour again until the next album comes out. That seems like a ridiculously short tour. It seems to make sense that they'll take a break after this tour and then do a more comprehensive world tour.
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OP's setlist idea would be amazing.
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^^^You'd think it would be the opposite, since they put so much effort into this album being a complete cohesive work, and the effort of a (hopefully) elaborate production show, that they'd wanna milk the hell out of this thing and bring it literally everywhere.
No way, that would make no business sense. Those who love it and are desparate to see them play it in full will do so this time around. There'd be no benefit to doing it again.
I agree with bosk's rationale - it would make far more sense to follow the theatre tour up with a more traditional tour that a bigger number of fans will be more comfortable with.
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@Bosk: sound thinking... inline with what I think will happen
They might take the Astonishing show on a short run through Mexico and South America (not likley though)
I think they will do a "normal" tour in the fall, keeping a couple of scenes/suites from TA but also giving the fans a run through of most other albums. I don't think they will celebrate SDoiT on the tour though..
I also think that they will take a longer break between this and the next album working on solo projects and possibly extensions to TA as JP has alluded too.
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@bosk That actually seems completely rational.
That settles it.
It will never happen that way.
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^^^You'd think it would be the opposite, since they put so much effort into this album being a complete cohesive work, and the effort of a (hopefully) elaborate production show, that they'd wanna milk the hell out of this thing and bring it literally everywhere.
No way, that would make no business sense. Those who love it and are desparate to see them play it in full will do so this time around. There'd be no benefit to doing it again.
I agree with bosk's rationale - it would make far more sense to follow the theatre tour up with a more traditional tour that a bigger number of fans will be more comfortable with.
I'm praying you're wrong, I can't get to any 1st leg shows so I'm pretty much banking on there being a 2nd leg of the astonishing
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^^^You'd think it would be the opposite, since they put so much effort into this album being a complete cohesive work, and the effort of a (hopefully) elaborate production show, that they'd wanna milk the hell out of this thing and bring it literally everywhere.
No way, that would make no business sense. Those who love it and are desparate to see them play it in full will do so this time around. There'd be no benefit to doing it again.
I agree with bosk's rationale - it would make far more sense to follow the theatre tour up with a more traditional tour that a bigger number of fans will be more comfortable with.
Same here, but banking on it, I'm afraid, is not likely. But I am definitely hoping.
I'm praying you're wrong, I can't get to any 1st leg shows so I'm pretty much banking on there being a 2nd leg of the astonishing
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^^^You'd think it would be the opposite, since they put so much effort into this album being a complete cohesive work, and the effort of a (hopefully) elaborate production show, that they'd wanna milk the hell out of this thing and bring it literally everywhere.
No way, that would make no business sense. Those who love it and are desparate to see them play it in full will do so this time around. There'd be no benefit to doing it again.
I agree with bosk's rationale - it would make far more sense to follow the theatre tour up with a more traditional tour that a bigger number of fans will be more comfortable with.
Same here, but banking on it, I'm afraid, is not likely. But I am definitely hoping.
I'm praying you're wrong, I can't get to any 1st leg shows so I'm pretty much banking on there being a 2nd leg of the astonishing
are you saying you personally don't think there will be a 2nd leg of the astonishing?
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A Change of Seasons in it's entirety hasn't been performed in the UK for... forever. Just sayin'
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
Wow, was the first Gigantour 10 years ago already? :eek
Edit: Yep, 2005. I guess you're right! :biggrin:
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I'd like for a second run-though of the States to be more of a traditional set. Considering the last two tours (this upcoming one and the 2014 tour) relied SOO heavily on just 4 albums (Awake, Scenes, DT, TA), I'd rather go see them play a traditional evening with show hitting on MOST of the albums. I've mocked up a set real quick that I think is pretty good, where it hits a bunch of songs Mangini hasn't played with the band, most of the albums (skipping Awake and Scenes for obvious reasons), while also making an effort to keep some Astonishing songs and other MM-era songs. Plus an epic encore.
0. False Awakening Suite (Intro Tape)
1. In the Presence of Enemies – Part 1
2. Honor Thy Father
---JLB Hello, introduction of a song never played on tour---
3. The Bigger Picture
4. Hell’s Kitchen
5. The Gift of Music
6. Blind Faith
7. Outcry
8. Surrender to Reason
---intermission---
9. A Nightmare to Remember
10. Behind the Veil
11. Another Hand/The Killing Hand
12. Losing Faythe
13. Whispers on the Wind
14. Hymn of a Thousand Voices
15. Our New World
16. Take the Time
---encore---
17. Octavarium
EDIT - also, what bosk said.
I'm down with that man!
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Those who don't get to see The Astonishing, well we can always pray for a live release somehow and somewhen.
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I've been harping on the fact that I&W, 6DoiT, and FII as WELL as 6DoiT have all got anniversaries coming up next year, and I've come up with an idea that commemorates all FOUR of those albums, as well as including a few songs from the last couple of albums, AND gives a little "nod" to The Astonishing.
You might not like my arrangement, but I at least hope you like my selection-
Set One:
1) Just Let Me Breathe
2) Prophets of War
3) Learning to Live
4) About to Crash/
5) War Inside My Head/
6) The Test That Stumped Them All
7) Outcry
8) Forsaken
9) Surrender to Reason
10) Hell's Kitchen
11) Pull Me Under
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) The Dark Eternal Night
2) Take the Time
3) Lines in the Sand
4) Solitary Shell/
5) About to Crash (Reprise)
6) In the Presence of Enemies, Pt.1
7) This is the Life
8) Hollow Years
9) The Looking Glass
10) Metropolis
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Encore:
1) The Gift of Music
2) Astonishing
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It really brings me down that if they don't play TA in Mexico, I'll likely spend the rest of my lifetime without ever hearing it live.
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^^^You'd think it would be the opposite, since they put so much effort into this album being a complete cohesive work, and the effort of a (hopefully) elaborate production show, that they'd wanna milk the hell out of this thing and bring it literally everywhere.
No way, that would make no business sense. Those who love it and are desparate to see them play it in full will do so this time around. There'd be no benefit to doing it again.
I agree with bosk's rationale - it would make far more sense to follow the theatre tour up with a more traditional tour that a bigger number of fans will be more comfortable with.
Well, no, I can't leave my country.
Neither can a ton of people from South America, which happens to be the place where they usually get the largest audiences.
If they were to tell me that it's for logistical purposes because they can't bring the visual show everywhere, I get it, and I think everyone does. I am, however, willing to see TA played without the visuals. Mexico never saw SFAM, as far as I know.
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Those who don't get to see The Astonishing, well we can always pray for a live release somehow and somewhen.
I'd be amazed if we don't get a DVD
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Those who don't get to see The Astonishing, well we can always pray for a live release somehow and somewhen.
Even if I was still a concert goer (I am not anymore), I had reached the point years ago of tiring of three hour concerts. As much as I am digging this album, it would be a chore to sit through all of it live, I think. A lot of that has to do me with now being 42; I am not 22 anymore. :censored :lol :facepalm:
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I'd like to have a performance of The Astonishing Live eternized in a DVD.
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I'm betting on a DVD release, and actually somewhat looking forward to it, however far away it may or may not be. :lol It's likely the the only way myself and many other fans will be able to see it "live".
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-A few years back, I had a brief conversation with JP about Mike's proposal that they take a hiatus and reform. Remember the timing of that for a second and put it in context. For Black Clouds, they had NOT done a regular DT headlining tour in North America. They did Prog Nation, which was a shorter set and, if I'm not mistaken, was 23 dates, and they opened for Maiden, which was a short set and was, I think, 26 dates. A lot of fans held out waiting for that proper headlining tour to support the albums, which ultimately never came. I said that I felt like, even though PN is cool enough, and the Maiden tour was definitely a good idea for the band in terms of exposure, they lost some momentum by not doing a tour supporting an album that had had such a high chart release, and that it seemed like the proposal to take a hiatus for a couple of years would have slowed their momentum even further. John said my instincts were dead-on, and that was pretty much how they felt. To kind of restate and paraphrase on of the themes of that conversation: JP seems to be strongly of the opinion that, while it is a good idea to break the mold and try new things, it is important to make sure to consistently give the fans what they want in a live setting so that they keep coming back and the momentum does not lose steam.
Interesting side story - thanks for sharing! And I see why you argue that this won't be for a full tour. But...
-On the present tour, JP has said that they want to do a limited run of shows in a different kind of venue so that they can present his vision of The Astonishing. They key to me here is that these are different venues, and this is a limited run. So I don't think they are planning to do another North American leg where they do the same thing and book more of these types of theaters to present The Astonishing.
When JP is referring to a different kind of venue, pretty sure that's only regarding Europe, where they have their largest fanbase. I know at least some of the venues they're playing in North America are the same venues they've played on previous tours. And only Europe is getting multiple dates in the same city (aside from the LA show). Given all the cities they normally hit in Europe that they are skipping this time around, I can't imagine them not heading back to get them on the second go round, especially with all the time and effort it appears they're putting into the live presentation. North America is less likely, but I believe still a possibility.
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Here's my go at a setlist after they're done playing the thing in full: (keep in mind I wrote this quickly)
(Decent of the NOMACS)
1 Dystopian Overture
2 The gift of music
3 The Looking Glass
4 Blind Faith
5 Lord Nafaryus/Three Days
6 Another won
7 Stream of conciousness
8 The X Aspect
9 A new beginning
10 Breaking all illusions
(intermission)
(Overture)
11 About to crash
12 war inside my head
13 The test that stumped them all
14 Goodnight kiss
15 Ravenskill
14 The Killing Hand (NEEDS to be played again)
15 Our New World
Encore:
16 Metropolis
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Wow, I really love all the setlists in this thread so far!! Absolute YES on the Octavarium, The Killing Hand, and Another Won!!
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(Overture)
11 About to crash
12 war inside my head
13 The test that stumped them all
14 Goodnight kiss
15 Ravenskill
14 The Killing Hand (NEEDS to be played again)
15 Our New World
I don't know, playing Goodnight Kiss without going into Solitary Shell just seems kind of wrong. They've probably done it before but idk it's like playing the Mirror without going into Lie. Or listening to A Savior in the Square without going into When Your Time Has Come right after.
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@bosk That actually seems completely rational.
That settles it.
It will never happen that way.
:lol
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I'd love to see a "second leg" with just the better songs from TA and some old stuff.
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-On the present tour, JP has said that they want to do a limited run of shows in a different kind of venue so that they can present his vision of The Astonishing. They key to me here is that these are different venues, and this is a limited run. So I don't think they are planning to do another North American leg where they do the same thing and book more of these types of theaters to present The Astonishing.
When JP is referring to a different kind of venue, pretty sure that's only regarding Europe, where they have their largest fanbase. I know at least some of the venues they're playing in North America are the same venues they've played on previous tours.
No, I think he was referring to the tour in general and not just Europe. I can't say I know every venue they are playing. But for the most part, they seem to be specifically targeting theaters that would be suitable for Broadway musical-type productions. For Northern California, for example, they are not playing the Warfield in San Francisco, which has been their tried-and-true venue since at least the TOT tour. They are instead playing the Fox Theater, which does also book concerts, but is a different type of theater where stage productions are also common. This is consistent with the types of venues they are booking in Europe. If they are booking some venues that they have booked in the past, I think it is simply because those venues were already the type they were looking for.
Given all the cities they normally hit in Europe that they are skipping this time around, I can't imagine them not heading back to get them on the second go round, especially with all the time and effort it appears they're putting into the live presentation. North America is less likely, but I believe still a possibility.
Oh, sure. I do think they will hit those cities they are skipping. But I would think it would just be a "normal" show. Maybe not, but we shall see.
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^^^You'd think it would be the opposite, since they put so much effort into this album being a complete cohesive work, and the effort of a (hopefully) elaborate production show, that they'd wanna milk the hell out of this thing and bring it literally everywhere.
You also have to consider that although many people like the new record, there are quite a few fans that have some serious problems with The Astonishing and would not be interested in hearing the full thing live (this includes me). I feel like bosk1's idea makes the most sense from a buisness point of view - get the people who really love The Astonishing to visit the full set early on and get the rest of the fans later by playing a traditional set with some favorites from The Astonishing (like Three Days or A New Beginning). You could even group some of the Astonishing songs together since they are rather short. For example, someone suggested opening the concert with "Descent of the NOMACS", "Dystopian Overture" and "The Gift of Music" which I would totally dig.
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I doubt the tour after 'The Astonishing' run would be "An Evening With" (just my opinion of course). My "feel" would be they'd take a good 4-6 weeks off after the NA leg (1. to let JLB recover & 2. to prepare a new set). Then I could see a headline run back through Europe, North America, Asia, Australia & South/Central America.
Here's a set 2 hour I'd put together:
1. The Glass Prison
2. Only A Matter of Time
3. The Bigger Picture
4. Erotomania / Voices
5. The Astonishing suite:
5A) The Gift of Music
5B) When Your Time Has Come
5C) A New Beginning
5D) Moment of Betrayal
5E) Losing Faythe
5F) Our New World
6. Through Her Eyes
7. Peruvian Skies
8. Take The Time
encore:
9. In The Name of God
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Nobody's factored in rehearsal time either. Getting the entire new album ready for the entire performance, plus old songs for the 2nd leg. That's gotta be exhausting! Takes a lotta time as well.
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I hope it doesn't take the band too long before they play The Bigger Picture live.
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I've been harping on the fact that I&W, 6DoiT, and FII as WELL as 6DoiT have all got anniversaries coming up next year
All four of those three albums? Wow.
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They should tour with the Trevor Rabin , Jon Anderson band...
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I'm just waiting for them to play A change of seasons again, i'm not bothering to see them live for the rest of their catalogue. Seen them 3 times with the 6doit and ToT tour, so most favorites have been played.
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I think the 2nd leg/the tour after The Astonishing is not going to be An Evening With because there's no way they'll abandon the south for a 3rd consecutive leg, I say 3rd cause I don't really remember if there was a 2nd U.S leg on the DTDT tour.
And based on that I'd hope the setlist would be:
Decent of the NOMACS
1 Dystopian Overture
2 The Gift of Music
3 The Glass Prison
4 This Dying Soul
5 The Root of All Evil
6 A Better Life
7 Lord Nafaryus
8 Solitary Shell
9 A Rite of Passage
10 Constant Motion
11 When Your Time Has Come
12 Three Days
13 New Beginning
14 Outcry
15 The Path That Divides
16. Hymn of a Thousand Voices
17. Our New World
Encore:
Bridges In The Sky
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How about this:
Set 1
The Gift of Music
Erotomania
Surrender to Reason
Ravenskill
Panic Attack
Surrounded
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness
A New Beginning
Bridges in the Sky
Set 2
The Glass Prison
Moment of Betrayal
The Bigger Picture
A Life Left Behind
Under a Glass Moon
Home
Our New World
Breaking All Illusions
Encore
Peruvian Skies
Take the Time
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I've been harping on the fact that I&W, 6DoiT, and FII as WELL as 6DoiT have all got anniversaries coming up next year
All four of those three albums? Wow.
Learning songs from those five albums is certainly going to keep them busy when they play all six on tour soon.
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As much as I love BAI, they wont play it 3 times in a row I think
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As much as I love BAI, they wont play it 3 times in a row I think
Well, it wouldn't be in a row because the TA tour is just TA.
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I've been harping on the fact that I&W, 6DoiT, and FII as WELL as 6DoiT have all got anniversaries coming up next year
All four of those three albums? Wow.
Ooops! I f***ed up! I MEANT to say---I&W (25), FII(20), 6Doit(15) and SC(10)
DAMN! I can't believe I didn't CATCH that!
Oh well, at least now you know what I meant.
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I don't know how this ideas going to go over, but since they're playing a shorter show this time around, I think they should give us something like 3 hours next time. I selected the 15 tracks I like best from The Astonishing, which will take up ABOUT 40% of the show, a couple of songs each from the albums that have somewhat important anniversaries coming up next year, a little bit of music from the last couple of albums, and then something a little different for the encore. The astonishing songs are distributed throughout the show instead all being together, but other bands have done this sort of thing in the past.
Set One:
1) Surrender to reason
2) Dystopian Overture/
3) The Gift of Music
4) Solitary Shell
5) Lord Nafaryus
6) Outcry
7) When Your Time Has Come
8) Just Let Me Breathe
9) Three Days
10) Forsaken
11) Ravenskill
12) Pull Me Under
13) A New Beginning/
14) The Road to Revolution
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) The Looking Glass
2) 2285 Entr'acte/
3) Moment of Betrayel
4) Prophets of War
5) Heaven's Cove
6) Hollow Years
7) The Path That Divides
8) The Glass Prison
9) The Walking Shadow
10) This is the Life
11) Our New World/
12) Astonishing
13) Metropolis
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Encore:
1) Status Seeker
2) As I Am
3) A Rite of Passage
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I don't have any specific idea for the next tour. Actually, I wanted to say how cool was the last tour setlist, where they played a song an album - no more, no less. Some bands that I like, they completely ignore 3 or more albums when touring.
Or the 2014 tour, where they let Images & Words rest a bit, and invited a few rarities into the setlist.
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I don't have any specific idea for the next tour. Actually, I wanted to say how cool was the last tour setlist, where they played a song an album - no more, no less. Some bands that I like, they completely ignore 3 or more albums when touring.
Or the 2014 tour, where they let Images & Words rest a bit, and invited a few rarities into the setlist.
That'll happen more and more. The more albums a band releases, the harder it gets to give every album a nod. Rush, for example, always has to ignore 4 or 5 albums per tour.
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I don't have any specific idea for the next tour. Actually, I wanted to say how cool was the last tour setlist, where they played a song an album - no more, no less. Some bands that I like, they completely ignore 3 or more albums when touring.
Or the 2014 tour, where they let Images & Words rest a bit, and invited a few rarities into the setlist.
That'll happen more and more. The more albums a band releases, the harder it gets to give every album a nod. Rush, for example, always has to ignore 4 or 5 albums per tour.
Yeah, I know - such a shame. I've never listened to Rush, but I know what you are talking about. I like Yes a lot, and they have 20 albums, so It would be hard to represent them all. What I think is a shame is that they not only represent just 5 or 6 albums, but also completely ignore all their '90s discography. I think it's a shame because I think a lot of their '90s music is amazing.
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I'm also hoping for another round of The Astonishing Live. I couldn't make it to London this time and I'd much rather they did a second leg of the current tour than come back and play the same songs that that they've been doing for the last couple of decades.
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I don't have any specific idea for the next tour. Actually, I wanted to say how cool was the last tour setlist, where they played a song an album - no more, no less. Some bands that I like, they completely ignore 3 or more albums when touring.
Yeah, I dislike it as well when bands totally ignore huge chunks of their discography.
Of course longevity of the band and length of the songs are perfectly valid reasons to skip albums, but younger bands with no more than 4-5 albums should try to keep it up as long as possible.
As for DT, I'm happy the ever rotating setlists and lack of staples keep it always fresh, by now Falling Into Infinity gets a better reputation than by the time of its release but imagine never hearing Trial of Tears again in place of hearing Pull Me Under, Metropolis and half Scenes from a Memory every single show... ugh.
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My opinion is that they will probably make a summer tour, not very long, maybe festivals.
As there is no anniversary to celebrate they will be pretty free to play whatever they prefer.
Probably the "unplayed" songs from DT would feature.
At this stage it doesn't make much sense predict further details, already the "path that divides" between 'festival' and 'evening with' format would make a huge difference in the possible setlist.
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I've tried to put forth this idea before. I would kind of like to see them at least TRY to do a tour AFTER they finish the current one, like maybe in 2017 or 2018, where they play only songs from the last three albums. They wouldn't have to play the same set at every show, but if I picked the songs, it might go something like this-
Set One:
1) The Looking Glass
2) Outcry
3) Dystopian Overture/
4) The Gift of Music
5) Surrender to Reason
6) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
7) Lord Nafaryus/
8) A Savior in the Square/
9) When Your Time Has Come
10) Behind the Veil
11) This is the Life
12) A New Beginning
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) Enigma Machine
2) Bridges in the Sky
3) Moment of Betrayal/
4) Heaven's Cove
5) Along for the Ride
6) Lost Not Forgotten
7) The Walking Shadow/
8) My Last Farewell
9) The Enemy Inside
10) On the Backs of Angels
11) Hymn of a Thousand Voices
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Encore:
Illumination Theory
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I've tried to put forth this idea before. I would kind of like to see them at least TRY to do a tour AFTER they finish the current one, like maybe in 2017 or 2018, where they play only songs from the last three albums. They wouldn't have to play the same set at every show, but if I picked the songs, it might go something like this-
Set One:
1) The Looking Glass
2) Outcry
3) Dystopian Overture/
4) The Gift of Music
5) Surrender to Reason
6) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
7) Lord Nafaryus/
8) A Savior in the Square/
9) When Your Time Has Come
10) Behind the Veil
11) This is the Life
12) A New Beginning
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) Enigma Machine
2) Bridges in the Sky
3) Moment of Betrayal/
4) Heaven's Cove
5) Along for the Ride
6) Lost Not Forgotten
7) The Walking Shadow/
8) My Last Farewell
9) The Enemy Inside
10) On the Backs of Angels
11) Hymn of a Thousand Voices
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Encore:
Illumination Theory
That's a fantastic setlist. I really approve of everything except The Looking Glass as opener. Change it with The Root of all Evil to get the audience in the mood, and Along For The Ride with The Path That Divides, and it's all good in my view.
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I don't have any specific idea for the next tour. Actually, I wanted to say how cool was the last tour setlist, where they played a song an album - no more, no less. Some bands that I like, they completely ignore 3 or more albums when touring.
Or the 2014 tour, where they let Images & Words rest a bit, and invited a few rarities into the setlist.
That'll happen more and more. The more albums a band releases, the harder it gets to give every album a nod. Rush, for example, always has to ignore 4 or 5 albums per tour.
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True but they always play the majority of their classics. I hope one day to see DT do the same.
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I don't have any specific idea for the next tour. Actually, I wanted to say how cool was the last tour setlist, where they played a song an album - no more, no less. Some bands that I like, they completely ignore 3 or more albums when touring.
Or the 2014 tour, where they let Images & Words rest a bit, and invited a few rarities into the setlist.
That'll happen more and more. The more albums a band releases, the harder it gets to give every album a nod. Rush, for example, always has to ignore 4 or 5 albums per tour.
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True but they always play the majority of their classics. I hope one day to see DT do the same.
Starting over.... True but they always play the majority of their classics. I hope one day to see DT do the same. (Sorry to have included my statement in the quote)
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I made this one in the other thread a few days ago-
Evening with DT 2017
Descent of the NOMACS
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
The Enemy Inside
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Constant Motion
Light Fuse and Get Away
Three Days
The Hovering Sojourn
Brother Can You Hear Me
A Life Left Behind
Outcry
Octavarium
*Clock goes back 20 years*
New Millenium
Just Let me Breathe
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand
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Surrender to Reason
Take the Time
The Great Debate
Chosen
Moment of Betrayal
Road to Revolution
Glass Prison
I think I'd happily pay twice the ticket price to see this :lol :lol :metal
Edit: added Chosen. Really should be there :)
Best set list so far, I'm buying.
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I've been harping on the fact that I&W, 6DoiT, and FII as WELL as 6DoiT have all got anniversaries coming up next year, and I've come up with an idea that commemorates all FOUR of those albums, as well as including a few songs from the last couple of albums, AND gives a little "nod" to The Astonishing.
You might not like my arrangement, but I at least hope you like my selection-
Set One:
1) Just Let Me Breathe
2) Prophets of War
3) Learning to Live
4) About to Crash/
5) War Inside My Head/
6) The Test That Stumped Them All
7) Outcry
8) Forsaken
9) Surrender to Reason
10) Hell's Kitchen
11) Pull Me Under
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) The Dark Eternal Night
2) Take the Time
3) Lines in the Sand
4) Solitary Shell/
5) About to Crash (Reprise)
6) In the Presence of Enemies, Pt.1
7) This is the Life
8) Hollow Years
9) The Looking Glass
10) Metropolis
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Encore:
1) The Gift of Music
2) Astonishing
Very good set list as well. But can we sqeeze Octavarium in there? That would be the money is no object situation.
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Sure. we could either increase the show to about three hours, or remove a few songs, such as the first two, which no one seems to want or like anyway.
Actually doing that, and also getting rid of LtL and ItPoE-1 would make it just about PERFECT, length-wise!
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I guess what I am trying to say is, given what they are specifically trying to accomplish with this tour, I do not anticipate a second leg or second "tour" of them just presenting The Astonishing. The fact that the number of shows on this tour is somewhat limited is by design, and I don't see them going back and trying to fill the gaps and play this same show in other places that they missed. I would instead anticipate a more traditional tour sometime soon after, whether late summer/fall, or early next year. I could easily be mistaken, but that type of thing seems in line with JP's mindset.
If they did do a more "traditional" tour right or soon after, I would really like to see them keep something like 3 or 4 of the new (Astonishing) songs in the "mix" on each night of the tour. Maybe more. I think there are a lot of people who feel as I do, in that while I don't have a problem with the story, there enough songs in it that just don't appeal to me/us that it would make siitting through the entire thing with none of the old favorites being played somewhat of a tedious chore.
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I've been harping on the fact that I&W, 6DoiT, and FII as WELL as 6DoiT have all got anniversaries coming up next year
All four of those three albums? Wow.
Learning songs from those five albums is certainly going to keep them busy when they play all six on tour soon.
Yeah..and maybe they'll play eleventy songs from each album!!
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I think there are a lot of people who feel as I do, in that while I don't have a problem with the story, there enough songs in it that just don't appeal to me/us that it would make siitting through the entire thing with none of the old favorites being played somewhat of a tedious chore.
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You're pointing out the main problem with this tour. A lot of fans don't like TA, so they won't go to the shows. If they do another leg after the current tour with other songs from their catalog, I'm in.
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How many are these "a lot of fans"?
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You're pointing out the main problem with this tour. A lot of fans don't like TA, so they won't go to the shows. If they do another leg after the current tour with other songs from their catalog, I'm in.
Complete non-issue. The shows are selling as well as they usually do.
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I don't doubt it. But for some reason, I would prefer to have it DVD than actually go to the concert. Actually, my feeling about it is the opposite of how I feel about Bt4W: I would like to have and AUDIO copy of THAT show, and a VIDEO of this one. I think a big part of it is because having a CD of Astonishing Live would be redundant, because it wouldn't be a whole lot different from the studio version. Plus there are shows from the AFtR tour available for viewing online, such as from YouTube.
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How many are these "a lot of fans"?
Based on my Facebook friends and I have a few hundreds, they are a majority disapointed, especially the ones since the time of Pull me under.
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You're pointing out the main problem with this tour. A lot of fans don't like TA, so they won't go to the shows. If they do another leg after the current tour with other songs from their catalog, I'm in.
Complete non-issue. The shows are selling as well as they usually do.
Really? How do you know that?
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I am a fan since Pull me under and TA is to me one of Dream Theaters best records to date.
It was also two fantastics shows in Stockholm... would not miss them for the world and actually considered after seeing them to try to catch them again later in the tour. Did not work out though as shows were sold out.
So glad that Dream Theater tried something a little bit different this time and glad I enjoy it soo much. Next album will probably go back to the tried and tested formula.... would love if they tried something else though even if I would not like the results, just as long as they do what they want.
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You're pointing out the main problem with this tour. A lot of fans don't like TA, so they won't go to the shows. If they do another leg after the current tour with other songs from their catalog, I'm in.
Complete non-issue. The shows are selling as well as they usually do.
Really? How do you know that?
Well, the London shows were pretty much sold out, which they never usually achieve. So they're definitely doing well.
However, I don't think that's really relevant to whether they should do TA again when they come back. Even if the shows are selling out, and most fans are loving them, most of us won't want to see exactly the same show a few months later. If they come back and do TA again, I definitely won't be going, and I loved both the album and the show.
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How many are these "a lot of fans"?
Based on my Facebook friends and I have a few hundreds, they are a majority disapointed, especially the ones since the time of Pull me under.
So all "few hundred" of your FB friends are DT fans?
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How many are these "a lot of fans"?
Based on my Facebook friends and I have a few hundreds, they are a majority disapointed, especially the ones since the time of Pull me under.
So all "few hundred" of your FB friends are DT fans?
Haha, that's exactly what I thought when I read that. I think I have a few hundred FB friends, and I'd guess maybe 10 or so are DT fans.
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How many are these "a lot of fans"?
Based on my Facebook friends and I have a few hundreds, they are a majority disapointed, especially the ones since the time of Pull me under.
So all "few hundred" of your FB friends are DT fans?
A lot in the group. They are musicians like me. You wanna know their names?
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How many are these "a lot of fans"?
Based on my Facebook friends and I have a few hundreds, they are a majority disapointed, especially the ones since the time of Pull me under.
So all "few hundred" of your FB friends are DT fans?
A lot in the group. They are musicians like me. You wanna know their names?
*gets comfortable*
Yes.
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How many are these "a lot of fans"?
Based on my Facebook friends and I have a few hundreds, they are a majority disapointed, especially the ones since the time of Pull me under.
So all "few hundred" of your FB friends are DT fans?
A lot in the group. They are musicians like me. You wanna know their names?
*gets comfortable*
Yes.
Wow, i do not have Time to loose. Some people like it, some don't, that's it.
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Wow, i do not have Time to loose. Some people like it, some don't, that's it.
And the like-to-dislike ratio is at least 90% like.
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I've tried to put forth this idea before. I would kind of like to see them at least TRY to do a tour AFTER they finish the current one, like maybe in 2017 or 2018, where they play only songs from the last three albums. They wouldn't have to play the same set at every show, but if I picked the songs, it might go something like this-
Set One:
1) The Looking Glass
2) Outcry
3) Dystopian Overture/
4) The Gift of Music
5) Surrender to Reason
6) Build Me Up, Break Me Down
7) Lord Nafaryus/
8) A Savior in the Square/
9) When Your Time Has Come
10) Behind the Veil
11) This is the Life
12) A New Beginning
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) Enigma Machine
2) Bridges in the Sky
3) Moment of Betrayal/
4) Heaven's Cove
5) Along for the Ride
6) Lost Not Forgotten
7) The Walking Shadow/
8) My Last Farewell
9) The Enemy Inside
10) On the Backs of Angels
11) Hymn of a Thousand Voices
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Encore:
Illumination Theory
That's a fantastic setlist. I really approve of everything except The Looking Glass as opener. Change it with The Root of all Evil to get the audience in the mood, and Along For The Ride with The Path That Divides, and it's all good in my view.
I'm glad you "approve" of my idea, but I think it's kind of strange that so many people don't like The Looking Glass for an opening song. I think the way the song begins is enough of an attention-getter, and should put the audience in the mood. Also, I guess there aren't enough people who like Along for the Ride as much as I do.
As much as I LOVE The Root of All Evil, the idea that I had here was that ALL of the songs in the show would be "post-Portnoy." If I was going to include one of the older (Black Clouds or before) songs, I would put it more towards the middle of the set, or maybe as or in the encore.
IF they were to do something like this, they would probably play some of the other Astonishing songs, including The Path That Divides at some of the gigs.
When I put this list together, I only picked songs from those three albums that I like, or that there was room for. I like Breaking All Illusions, which they would most likely play during at tour like this as well, but it doesn't fit in with the 160 minute time limit. They would probably play some of the songs that I DON'T like at some of the shows, such as The Bigger Picture, Far From Heaven, Beneath the surface, and some of the Astonishing songs that are favorites of other people weather I like them or not.
Anyway, there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from writing your own version.
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How many are these "a lot of fans"?
Based on my Facebook friends and I have a few hundreds, they are a majority disapointed, especially the ones since the time of Pull me under.
So all "few hundred" of your FB friends are DT fans?
A lot in the group. They are musicians like me. You wanna know their names?
Yes. Please list them in alphabetical order.
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Yes, and Social Security numbers so we can verify their existence.
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Just take a look guys at the Youtube videos. I can honestly say that there are lots of people who don't dig TA. Compared to any previous album, there has never been as far as I have noticed such an amount of "don't like it" vs "like it". That's what i also noticed on Facebook. The ratio isn't 90-10 but really, who cares. That's only my observation but don't get too sensitive about it. I do love DT. They have been one of my all time fav band and still are.
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That is not a fair assessment, since a) social media and YT are where internet morons go to bash the living crap out of anything, and b) social media and YT wasn't prevalent, or even around, during the majority of DT's releases. Heck, had Train of Thought been released when FB and YT were this popular, I can only imagine the beating it would have taken, considering the beating it took on dt.net.
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Take a look at all albums comments, you have them all. And TOT is not being saved by people who don't like it and still don't like it after all these years. i think it's just a fact that TA is kind of controversial and brought a higher percentage of people who have problems digging the whole thing.
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Wow, i do not have Time to loose. Some people like it, some don't, that's it.
And the like-to-dislike ratio is at least 90% like.
On DTF maybe. I don't know how you could get that impression from the internet in general. It's clearly a very divisive album.
I'm not saying that's a bad sign, but whenever DT deviates from their established formula a bit, it's only natural that it's not going to suit everyone. ;)
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Just take a look guys at the Youtube videos. I can honestly say that there are lots of people who don't dig TA. Compared to any previous album, there has never been as far as I have noticed such an amount of "don't like it" vs "like it". That's what i also noticed on Facebxook. The ratio isn't 90-10 but really, who cares. That's only my observation but don't get too sensitive about it. I do love DT. They have been one of my all time fav band and still are.
That's funny...so far every video I've seen on YouTube reviewing The Astonishing has been pretty positive. There have been a few that have said it could have been better, but most of them have more or less said that they LOVED it.
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Wow, i do not have Time to loose. Some people like it, some don't, that's it.
And the like-to-dislike ratio is at least 90% like.
On DTF maybe. I don't know how you could get that impression from the internet in general. It's clearly a very divisive album.
I'm not saying that's a bad sign, but whenever DT deviates from their established formula a bit, it's only natural that it's not going to suit everyone. ;)
:tup
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Just take a look guys at the Youtube videos. I can honestly say that there are lots of people who don't dig TA. Compared to any previous album, there has never been as far as I have noticed such an amount of "don't like it" vs "like it". That's what i also noticed on Facebxook. The ratio isn't 90-10 but really, who cares. That's only my observation but don't get too sensitive about it. I do love DT. They have been one of my all time fav band and still are.
That's funny...so far every video I've seen on YouTube reviewing The Astonishing has been pretty positive. There have been a few that have said it could have been better, but most of them have more or less said that they LOVED it.
Look at the whole album review video to have a better idea. ;)
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Look at the whole album review video to have a better idea. ;)
Yeah...
Many of them are extremely positive like the Metal Voice, Coverkillernation and Metalsucks one. A few negative reviews but honestly not a lot (and those get trashed in the comments).
On DTF maybe. I don't know how you could get that impression from the internet in general. It's clearly a very divisive album.
I'm not saying that's a bad sign, but whenever DT deviates from their established formula a bit, it's only natural that it's not going to suit everyone. ;)
Youtube has an extremely good like to dislike ratio. Take the Our New World video for instance, 860 like to 10 dislike which is about 99% like. Or the original TGoM video, 14668 like to 565 dislike. About 96% like. That seems pretty one sided to me.
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Look at the whole album review video to have a better idea. ;)
Yeah...
Many of them are extremely positive like the Metal Voice, Coverkillernation and Metalsucks one. A few negative reviews but honestly not a lot (and those get trashed in the comments).
On DTF maybe. I don't know how you could get that impression from the internet in general. It's clearly a very divisive album.
I'm not saying that's a bad sign, but whenever DT deviates from their established formula a bit, it's only natural that it's not going to suit everyone. ;)
Youtube has an extremely good like to dislike ratio. Take the Our New World video for instance, 860 like to 10 dislike which is about 99% like. Or the original TGoM video, 14668 like to 565 dislike. About 96% like. That seems pretty one sided to me.
If you do the same exercice with the whole album video, the ratio would be totally different but who cares anyway :D
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You mean this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3JIxlEnDzA)? 92% like still sounds pretty good for a supposedly mixed reception. Comments sound a bit negative, but most people who watch the video don't comment (like 90% at least) and the people who are commenting often are people venting frustration. It's why many videos have so plenty contrarian comments even if the video is well liked. Even still, the cumulative views of the officially uploaded songs far eclipses the full album uploads and the like ratio is above 95% in almost all cases.
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You Tube commenters are like the lowest form of internet life, and we are supposed to act like their opinions matter here? Come on. :lol :lol :lol
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You Tube commenters are like the lowest form of internet life, and we are supposed to act like their opinions matter here? Come on. :lol :lol :lol
This this this this.
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They should tour with the Trevor Rabin , Jon Anderson band...
We need to get back on track with the intended topic of this thread.
Bertie, I LOVE your idea! I think it would be great if they took A/R/W, or whatever it's going to be called along as their opening act next time out. Assuming there's going to be an album, I would hope the "new" band would play a 60-90 minute set consisting of at least 4-5 new songs, a few songs by Yes, of course! Come to think of it, "Of Course" might be a good name for the band, or at least the album. Also they should play 1-2 songs from some of their solo works, such as the title track from Can't Look Away, I also love Jon Anderson's Song of Seven, and Rick Wakeman has TONS of music to choose from.
Then DT could come out and play a two-hour set, maybe THIS one. I grabbed a song from each album, plus one extra from The Astonishing. Don't really care that much about the order, but I did take a little time (pardon the pun) coming up with this arrangement:
1) Beyond This Life
2) Light Fuse and Get Away
3) Sacrificed Sons
4) Surrender to Reason
5) Take the Time
6) Lost Not Forgotten
7) The Gift of Music
8) Solitary Shell
9) New Millennium
10) Forsaken
11) Voices
12) A Nightmare to Remember
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Encore:
1) As I am
2) Moment of Betrayal
Another possibility for an encore is both bands getting together and playing at least one song each by Yes and DT, or maybe playing some covers, like DT did with Queensryche.
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You Tube commenters are like the lowest form of internet life, and we are supposed to act like their opinions matter here? Come on. :lol :lol :lol
This this this this.
Seriously. :lol
It's one of the reasons why I don't post any opinions on things there. It's not even worth the ensuing drama.
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I think I've made one comment on there in years, and that was a while back when someone incorrectly stated that the Rolling Stones' Undercover of the Night was never played on MTV except late at night in 1984 because of the violence, which I know was wrong since I watched the snot out of MTV back then and they played the crap out of the unedited video for months, at all times of the day. Not sure how I even happened across that video, but for some reason I could not let that one slide. :lol :lol
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You Tube commenters are like the lowest form of internet life, and we are supposed to act like their opinions matter here? Come on. :lol :lol :lol
I don't think YT commenters are important, just to clarify (not sure who this is being directed at).
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Oh well...I HAD to TRY...!...
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Oh well...I HAD to TRY...!...
Oh, sorry. :lol I seem to have a habit for sometimes contributing to a thread de-railing.
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You Tube commenters are like the lowest form of internet life, and we are supposed to act like their opinions matter here? Come on. :lol :lol :lol
I don't think YT commenters are important, just to clarify (not sure who this is being directed at).
Not you. :hat
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Not you. :hat
Cool. :tup
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Oh well...I HAD to TRY...!...
Oh, sorry. :lol I seem to have a habit for sometimes contributing to a thread de-railing.
That's okay...at least you're HONEST about it!
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Honestly guys, don't worry. I know this forum obviously is not welcomed to anyone who doesn't like and enjoy as much as you TA and that for no reasons what so ever. So just embrace yourselves and congratulate you for all your comments towards the negatives ones. :tup
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Honestly guys, don't worry. I know this forum obviously is not welcomed to anyone who doesn't like and enjoy as much as you TA and that for no reasons what so ever. So just embrace yourselves and congratulate you for all your comments towards the negatives ones. :tup
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Honestly guys, don't worry. I know this forum obviously is not welcomed to anyone who doesn't like and enjoy as much as you TA and that for no reasons what so ever. So just embrace yourselves and congratulate you for all your comments towards the negatives ones. :tup
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Saving for TA here at SA.
Faith stays alive!
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omg
:rollin
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Honestly guys, don't worry. I know this forum obviously is not welcomed to anyone who doesn't like and enjoy as much as you TA and that for no reasons what so ever. So just embrace yourselves and congratulate you for all your comments towards the negatives ones. :tup
This is absolute gibberish. Nobody has a problem at all with you not liking the album. What people are disagreeing with are your attempts to convince us that most fans dislike the album, as the evidence is very clearly to the contrary as has been pointed out multiple times. If you can't feel secure in your own opinions, that's your problem.
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I thought i could contribute to this topic, if it helps to get this thread back on track. :biggrin:
I am not a big fan of The Astonishing, but i wouldn't mind seeing them play couple of songs from that album in the future.
This is what i came up with...
"Opening medley" (Vacant, Hells Kitchen, Disappear)
1. The Glass Prison
2. The Gift of Music
3. A New Beginning
4. Lines in the Sand
5. Natural Science (Rush cover)
6. These Walls
7. Honor Thy Father
8. Bridges in the Sky
9. Wither
10. Innocence Faded
11. Blind Faith
12. Take the Time
13. Learning to Live
Encore;
14. Changes (Yes Cover)
15. Voices & The Silent Man
16. A Change of Seasons
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As much as I enjoy TA, I am a bit bummed that I may have to wait a year or more to see a varied set list from the band. A combination of some of the TA songs would work well in a mixed set list. Kudos to the band for continuing with the TA only, but I would think that a majority of the fans would want a mixed set list if the band makes another appearance in some of the same cities as this tour cycle.
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oops.
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omg
:rollin
:lol you're really falling for it!!!
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Honestly guys, don't worry. I know this forum obviously is not welcomed to anyone who doesn't like and enjoy as much as you TA and that for no reasons what so ever. So just embrace yourselves and congratulate you for all your comments towards the negatives ones. :tup
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Why am I not surprised to see you respond? Ya, true leader!!!
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Is it ironic that about a week after I gave you the pads you responded?
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So I came up with this setlist that is like how they did the 30th anniversary tour where they went one song per albums in order of release, with some variations in the intro and the bonus encore. :)
INTRO
False Awakening Suite (treated by me as the standard intro for DT concerts)
SET 1 (around 1 hour)
A Fortune in Lies
Take the Time
The Mirror
A Change of Seasons
EDIT: Hollow Years (I forgot this one. LOL) :lol
Beyond This Life
BREAK
SET 2 (around 1 hour)
Disappear
Stream of Consciousness
The Root of All Evil
In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 2
Wither
Breaking All Illusions
ENCORE
The Bigger Picture
Our New World
To Live Forever (surprise encore)
Bastille Day by Rush (fun ending, acknowledging the song that inspired the "Majesty" name)
Roughly 2 hours and 25 minutes.
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So I came up with this setlist that is like how they did the 30th anniversary tour where they went one song per albums in order of release, with some variations in the intro and the bonus encore. :)
INTRO
False Awakening Suite (treated by me as the standard intro for DT concerts)
SET 1
A Fortune in Lies
Take the Time
The Mirror
A Change of Seasons
Beyond This Life
BREAK
SET 2
Disappear
Stream of Consciousness
The Root of All Evil
In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 2
Wither
Breaking All Illusions
ENCORE
The Bigger Picture
Our New World
To Live Forever (surprise encore)
Bastille Day by Rush (fun ending, acknowledging the song that inspired the "Majesty" name)
Roughly 2 hours and 20 minutes.
Nothing from FII?
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Hahaha. Edited. Forgot Hollow Years. :lol
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Just thinking ahead . . . Six Degrees Disc 1 has gotten little love over the years. With the 15th anniversary of that album approaching, I'd love it if they played it in its entirety on the 2nd tour. Then throw in the unplayed songs from the last album like Surrender to Reason, Behind the Veil, and The Bigger Picture; then round it out with some classics that haven't been played in awhile such as A Changes of Seasons/Octavarium/In The Name of God/Learning to Live/etc. I think that would be a great setlist.
We also have the 20th anniversary of Falling Into Infinity and the 25th of Images & Words...
But yeah.. I'd prefer they play songs from Six Degrees before these two.. Before FII, because is the album I like less, and before I&W because is the most played-live album.. Only one song they "owe" us: but you'll need to find all your need in your mihind for that..
Surrender to Reason and The Bigger Picture MUST be played immediately.. And I'll say also the other fourth song they haven't played so far (leaving aside The Best of Times): False Awakening Suite.. They should totally play it... Mmmmm, not as an opening this time, but as the previous track to the final songs of the encore.. (Not necessarily followed by TEI)
Also: play Stream of Consciouness at once!... P-L-E-A-SE-!-!-! :metal
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Is it ironic that about a week after I gave you the pads you responded?
Thanks. Respect and intelligence are always welcome.
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ENOUGH. Drop it, everyone.
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Well, I didn't mean the mic, but thanks anyway.
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I just hope the next tour has more than one US leg. Europe's getting spoiled with their annual summer festivals and such. And I'm jealous.
More 'Merica.
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So I came up with this setlist that is like how they did the 30th anniversary tour where they went one song per albums in order of release, with some variations in the intro and the bonus encore. :)
Or they could pull a Rush again and do an entire set list in reverse chronological order. Some might quibble about a song from WDADU ending the show, but I think it could work...
Set 1
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
A New Beginning
Our New World
Surrender to Reason
Bridges in the Sky
Wither
Forsaken
Panic Attack
In the Name of God
Set 2
The Glass Prison
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Peruvian Skies
Voices
Surrounded
Learning to Live
Encore
Take the Time
A Fortune in Lies
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No way JLB makes it through Set 2.
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Well, he did pull off singing half of Awake and Illumination theory. But then again, that was two years ago...
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So I came up with this setlist that is like how they did the 30th anniversary tour where they went one song per albums in order of release, with some variations in the intro and the bonus encore. :)
Or they could pull a Rush again and do an entire set list in reverse chronological order.
Since I love doing playlists, I actually have something like this on my phone. :lol
Intro: FAS
Set 1
The Gift of Music
Surrender to Reason
This is the Life
A Nightmare to Remember
In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 (not 2, edited!)
These Walls
Set 2
As I Am
The Glass Prison
Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy
Anna Lee
A Change of Seasons
Encore
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
Under A Glass Moon (would love TtT but JLB would struggle at this point)
The Killing Hand
Bastille Day
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Wow, wait, I want to play too!
Set 1 (75 minutes):
Intro (the opening solo to A savior in the square being played from the PA)
Our new world
The Looking glass
Build me up, break me down
A Nightmare to remember
The Ministry of lost souls
Octavarium
Set 2 (75 minutes):
As I am
The Great debate
Home
Hollow years
Erotomania
Voices
Pull me under
Learning to live
Encore (20 minutes):
Metropolis
Only a matter of time
Looks like a long enough set, speaking and pauses are included. I tried to include classics, fan favorites and a couple of surprises. There are more I&W tunes because they didn't play any of it on the previous tour but they would probably want to go back to them. Also, some of the latter day Portnoy epics deserve recognition, and that's why they're there.
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Is proposing a 3-hour setlist for JLB even legal? :rollin
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
Yeah at this point, it's a no brainer.
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
But are you justified in taking life to hear it live?
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
Yeah at this point, it's a no brainer.
Tbh I'm not sure JP is even able to play those arpeggios anymore. Afaik he was struggling with them even on the SDOIT tour.
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
Yeah at this point, it's a no brainer.
Tbh I'm not sure JP is even able to play those arpeggios anymore. Afaik he was struggling with them even on the SDOIT tour.
That was before he was taking steroids...finger steroids.
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
Yeah at this point, it's a no brainer.
Tbh I'm not sure JP is even able to play those arpeggios anymore. Afaik he was struggling with them even on the SDOIT tour.
iirc they aren't even entirely clean on the album.
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
Yeah at this point, it's a no brainer.
Tbh I'm not sure JP is even able to play those arpeggios anymore. Afaik he was struggling with them even on the SDOIT tour.
I thought that was due to Portnoy speeding up the tempo live?
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iirc they aren't even entirely clean on the album.
They're a little bit off, occasionally slightly behind on the timing, and not 100% even in rhythm with a few double picked notes, so I think JP was pushing himself to the limit in the studio even at the time. Doing the song at studio tempo live, it probably won't be 100% either, but I'm sure will still be equally badass.
Still, I have two kidneys left, and am willing to part with one to hear that song live.
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
But are you justified in taking life to hear it live?
Yes.. Because he is willing to kill for it..
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Literacy is helpful when reading.
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Says King
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??? :yeahright :huh:
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Guaranteed, The Glass Prison will be played live. A lot of fun reaction can generate a song to be requested.
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They should do it for the fans.. I think it's the most requested song..
That one and Stream of Consciousness are among the songs the majority wants to hear live..
At least judging from what I've heard so far..
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Reading at some replies, I'm so tempted to make a thread "Make a setlist to kill JLB", lol.
Voices-Scarred-Take The Time full-Surrounded-Learning to Live-Innocence Faded
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That is not a fair assessment, since a) social media and YT are where internet morons go to bash the living crap out of anything, and b) social media and YT wasn't prevalent, or even around, during the majority of DT's releases. Heck, had Train of Thought been released when FB and YT were this popular, I can only imagine the beating it would have taken, considering the beating it took on dt.net.
Amazon has been around for a long time. Last I checked, ToT had the most reviews on Amazon, and many were negative.
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I will see Mangini-era DT if they're going to play The Glass Prison next tour. Haven't seen DT since they opened for Iron Maiden in 2010.
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I will see Mangini-era DT if they're going to play The Glass Prison next tour. Haven't seen DT since they opened for Iron Maiden in 2010.
Wow. You are really missing out. You should see them if you get the chance.
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I will see Mangini-era DT if they're going to play The Glass Prison next tour. Haven't seen DT since they opened for Iron Maiden in 2010.
Wow. You are really missing out. You should see them if you get the chance.
You really are
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(leave out Act of Faythe)
You monster!
That set looks cool, kind of wishful thinking though as it has way too many "big" songs IMO. I doubt they'd ever make Octavarium an encore again unless it's an anniversary or something. Also I doubt they'd do Evening With's for a while.
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I feel like it makes sense for them to do a 30th anniversary, greatest hits type tour after The Astonishing tour wraps up. Come to think of it, has the band ever done a tour not directly in support of any album? I feel like now might be the perfect time to do that kind of thing.
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I feel like it makes sense for them to do a 30th anniversary, greatest hits type tour after The Astonishing tour wraps up. Come to think of it, has the band ever done a tour not directly in support of any album? I feel like now might be the perfect time to do that kind of thing.
They did exactly that last year. They played one song per album in chronological order. They included a fragment of "A Change Of Seasons" as well.
Here is the setlist from the first show: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/palace-of-sports-minsk-belarus-53c96b61.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/palace-of-sports-minsk-belarus-53c96b61.html)
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I can't remember if we did this already in this thread, but using the format they did on the Octavarium tour, playing something from every album in order plus a lot of new stuff from the latest album at the beginning of the 1st set and end of the 2nd, this would be a great set to represent their 30 years:
Set 1
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
Three Days
A New Beginning
A Fortune in Lies
Surrounded
Erotomania
Peruvian Skies
Through Her Eyes
The Glass Prison
Set 2
In the Name of God
These Walls
The Dark Eternal Night
Wither
Bridges in the Sky
Surrender to Reason
Moment of Surrender
The Path That Divides
Our New World
Encore
Take the Time
The Spirit Carries On
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I can't remember if we did this already in this thread, but using the format they did on the Octavarium tour, playing something from every album in order plus a lot of new stuff from the latest album at the beginning of the 1st set and end of the 2nd, this would be a great set to represent their 30 years:
Set 1
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
Three Days
A New Beginning
A Fortune in Lies
Surrounded
Erotomania
Peruvian Skies
Through Her Eyes
The Glass Prison
Set 2
In the Name of God
These Walls
The Dark Eternal Night
Wither
Bridges in the Sky
Surrender to Reason
Moment of Surrender
The Path That Divides
Our New World
Encore
Take the Time
The Spirit Carries On
Is that a song from the unrevealed EP that was to be launched between DT12 and TA?
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LOL, it's a U2 cover. :lol
I guess I had that U2 song on the brain after typing Surrender to Reason and having Moment of Betrayal on the brain. :facepalm:
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I can't remember if we did this already in this thread, but using the format they did on the Octavarium tour, playing something from every album in order plus a lot of new stuff from the latest album at the beginning of the 1st set and end of the 2nd, this would be a great set to represent their 30 years:
Set 1
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
Three Days
A New Beginning
A Fortune in Lies
Surrounded
Erotomania
Peruvian Skies
Through Her Eyes
The Glass Prison
Set 2
In the Name of God
These Walls
The Dark Eternal Night
Wither
Bridges in the Sky
Surrender to Reason
Moment of Surrender
The Path That Divides
Our New World
Encore
Take the Time
The Spirit Carries On
That's a pretty exciting set, I'd pay to see it! The only change I'd make is the encore, I'd put either Octavarium or ACoS in there. Both overdue for performances!
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I feel like it makes sense for them to do a 30th anniversary, greatest hits type tour after The Astonishing tour wraps up. Come to think of it, has the band ever done a tour not directly in support of any album? I feel like now might be the perfect time to do that kind of thing.
They did exactly that last year. They played one song per album in chronological order. They included a fragment of "A Change Of Seasons" as well.
Here is the setlist from the first show: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/palace-of-sports-minsk-belarus-53c96b61.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/palace-of-sports-minsk-belarus-53c96b61.html)
Ah, I remember that now. I'd say it was more of a short festival circuit than a full fledged tour, though. I want them to go all out. :metal
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Pretty realistic set list, and one that I think would make a lot of people happy. The only odd choice to me is Through Her Eyes. I can't see them choosing that as a standalone song. I'm guessing you chose it because it is short, but it is an odd choice that I don't see them doing. But otherwise: :tup
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Y'all make some pretty bizarre choices, just saying.
This is the setlist I'd go with- All their albums are represented, and none of these songs have been played live in awhile, beyond the new songs. Not sure about timing but it should be close.
The Gift of Music
Only a Matter of Time
Under The Glass Moon
Caught in a Web
Hells Kitchen
Fatal Tragedy
The Glass Prison
Intermission
In the Name of God
These Walls
Constant Motion
A Nightmare to Remember
Far From Heaven
Surrender to Reason
Our New World
Encore
A Change of Seasons
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I feel like it makes sense for them to do a 30th anniversary, greatest hits type tour after The Astonishing tour wraps up. Come to think of it, has the band ever done a tour not directly in support of any album? I feel like now might be the perfect time to do that kind of thing.
They did exactly that last year. They played one song per album in chronological order. They included a fragment of "A Change Of Seasons" as well.
Here is the setlist from the first show: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/palace-of-sports-minsk-belarus-53c96b61.html (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2015/palace-of-sports-minsk-belarus-53c96b61.html)
Wow, I wish it was the setlist for DT12 in Montréal in 2014. It was ok but disapointing for me. The previous 3 tours were up to my taste which is not an automatic and easy thing lol
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Is proposing a 3-hour setlist for JLB even legal? :rollin
Their 2014 DVD ran 165 minutes, I don't see any harm in adding 15 more. Especially since this show will not have nearly as much Awake in it.
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If they do anything from disc 1 of SDoIT on the next tour, The Glass Prison is a must. They haven't played it in 10 years and it's a fan favorite. The crowd would go completely nuts for it.
I would kill to hear it live.
Wow, I saw them do it live for the Gigantour tour but didn't realize that was in 2005...over 10 years ago. :-[
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In 2008, the jazz trio Medeski-Martin-Wood toured for some time only playing new, unreleased, mostly improvised pieces. After the tour was over, they recorded all those pieces, and released a trilogy of albums called Radiolarians in 2009 (I've listened to Radiolarians III, and I like it).
I think it would be cool if DT did something like that - if they played new written/improvised music for some part of each show, and later on recorded and released it as their new album.
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In 2008, the jazz trio Medeski-Martin-Wood toured for some time only playing new, unreleased, mostly improvised pieces. After the tour was over, they recorded all those pieces, and released a trilogy of albums called Radiolarians in 2009 (I've listened to Radiolarians III, and I like it).
I think it would be cool if DT did something like that - if they played new written/improvised music for some part of each show, and later on recorded and released it as their new album.
Pain of Salvation a somewhat similar thing with Be. They played the whole thing live before ever recording it, released a live version of it, then went in an recorded a slightly updated version of it in the studio, with a considerable amount of different vocals. So fans have two versions of it.
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It's not uncommon but REM recorded "New Adventures In HIFI" on the road whilst touring Monster.
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In 2008, the jazz trio Medeski-Martin-Wood toured for some time only playing new, unreleased, mostly improvised pieces. After the tour was over, they recorded all those pieces, and released a trilogy of albums called Radiolarians in 2009 (I've listened to Radiolarians III, and I like it).
I think it would be cool if DT did something like that - if they played new written/improvised music for some part of each show, and later on recorded and released it as their new album.
That would be really cool, except that that isn't remotely like anything they would ever do. They've never really been an improv/jam band, and what little they HAVE done in the past, they are getting further and further away from, with slaving themselves to backing and click tracks.
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Here is what I would like to see. Go full on super long/progressive epics.
Metropolis
A Change of Seasons
Trial of Tears
In the Presence of Enemies
Solitary Shell/About to Crash (Reprise)/Grand Finale
Intermission
Octavarium
Count of Tuscany
In the Name of God
Learning to Live
Illumination Theory
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While that is completely unrealistic, if it were to happen, A Change of Seasons would not be in the middle of the set. It would probably be an encore song.
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While that is completely unrealistic, if it were to happen, A Change of Seasons would not be in the middle of the set. It would probably be an encore song.
Fine, Mark it an encore. By unrealistic I assume you mean awesome. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/Smileys/default/headbang.gif Keep in mind that with all the long songs will be like James singing an 90 minute show for a normal band.
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While that is completely unrealistic, if it were to happen, A Change of Seasons would not be in the middle of the set. It would probably be an encore song.
Fine, Mark it an encore. By unrealistic I assume you mean awesome.
By unrealistic he means that it's never ever gonna happen. :lol