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Title: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on January 14, 2016, 01:09:35 PM
Hey all, The Oscars nominations came out today! The Revenant and Mad Max: Fury Road leads all nominations, and per usual, there have been some snubs. Let's take a look.

Best Picture
The Big Short
Bridge of Spies
Brooklyn
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Martian
The Revenant
Room
Spotlight

Performance by an actor in a leading role
Bryan Cranston, "Trumbo"
Matt Damon, "The Martian"
Leonardo DiCaprio, "The Revenant"
Michael Fassbender, "Steve Jobs"
Eddie Redmayne, "The Danish Girl"

Performance by an actress in a leading role
Cate Blanchett, "Carol"
Brie Larson, "Room"
Jennifer Lawrence, "Joy"
Charlotte Rampling, "45 Years"
Saoirse Ronan, "Brooklyn"

Best director
Adam McKay, "The Big Short"
George Miller, "Mad Max: Fury Road"
Alejandro Inarritu, "The Revenant"
Lenny Abrahamsson, "Room"
Tom McCarthy, "Spotlight"

Performance by an actor in a supporting role
Christian Bale, "The Big Short"
Tom Hardy, "The Revenant"
Mark Ruffalo, "Spotlight"
Mark Rylance, "The Bridge of Spies"
Sylvester Stallone, "Creed"

Performance by an actress in a supporting role
Jennifer Jason Leigh, "The Hateful Eight"
Rooney Mara, "Carol"
Rachel McAdams, "Spotlight"
Alicia Vikander, "The Danish Girl"
Kate Winslet, "Steve Jobs"

Best Animated Feature Film
"Anomalies", Charlie Kaufman, Duke Johnson and Rosa Tran
"Boy and the World", Alê Abreu
"Inside Out", Pete Docter and Jonas Rivera
"Shaun the Sheep Movie", Mark Burton and Richard Stark
"When Marnie Was There", Hiromasa Yonebayashi and Yoshiaki Nishimura

Best documentary feature
Amy, Asif Kapadia and James Gay-Rees
Cartel Land, Matthew Heineman and Tom Yellin
The Look of Silence, Joshua Oppenheimer and Signe Byrge Sørensen
What Happened, Miss Simone?, Liz Garbus, Amy Hobby and Justin Wilkes
Winter on Fire: Ukraine’s Fight for Freedom, Evgeny Afineevsky and Den Tolmor

Best documentary short subject
Body Team 12, David Darg and Bryn Mooser
Chau, beyond the Lines, Courtney Marsh and Jerry Franck
Claude Lanzmann: Spectres of the Shoah, Adam Benzine
A Girl in the River: The Price of Forgiveness, Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy
Last Day of Freedom, Dee Hibbert-Jones and Nomi Talisman

Achievement in film editing
"The Big Short", Hank Corwin
"Mad Max: Fury Road", Margaret Sixel
"The Revenant", Stephen Mirrione
"Spotlight", Tom McArdle
"Star Wars: The Force Awakens", Maryann Brandon and Mary Jo Markey

Best foreign language film of the year
“Embrace of the Serpent” Colombia
“Mustang” France
“Son of Saul” Hungary
“Theeb” Jordan
“A War” Denmark

Achievement in makeup and hairstyling
“Mad Max: Fury Road” Lesley Vanderwalt, Elka Wardega and Damian Martin
“The 100-Year-Old Man Who Climbed out the Window and Disappeared” Love Larson and Eva von Bahr
“The Revenant” Siân Grigg, Duncan Jarman and Robert Pandini

Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)
“Bridge of Spies” Thomas Newman
“Carol” Carter Burwell
“The Hateful Eight” Ennio Morricone
“Sicario” Jóhann Jóhannsson
“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” John Williams

Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original song)
“Earned It” from “Fifty Shades of Grey”
Music and Lyric by Abel Tesfaye, Ahmad Balshe, Jason Daheala Quenneville and Stephan Moccio
“Manta Ray” from “Racing Extinction”
Music by J. Ralph and Lyric by Antony Hegarty
“Simple Song #3” from “Youth”
Music and Lyric by David Lang
“Til It Happens To You” from “The Hunting Ground”
Music and Lyric by Diane Warren and Lady Gaga
“Writing’s On The Wall” from “Spectre”
Music and Lyric by Jimmy Napes and Sam Smith


Achievement in production design
“Bridge of Spies” Production Design: Adam Stockhausen; Set Decoration: Rena DeAngelo and Bernhard Henrich
“The Danish Girl” Production Design: Eve Stewart; Set Decoration: Michael Standish
“Mad Max: Fury Road” Production Design: Colin Gibson; Set Decoration: Lisa Thompson
“The Martian” Production Design: Arthur Max; Set Decoration: Celia Bobak
“The Revenant” Production Design: Jack Fisk; Set Decoration: Hamish Purdy

Best animated short film
“Bear Story” Gabriel Osorio and Pato Escala
“Prologue” Richard Williams and Imogen Sutton
“Sanjay’s Super Team” Sanjay Patel and Nicole Grindle
“We Can’t Live without Cosmos” Konstantin Bronzit
“World of Tomorrow” Don Hertzfeldt

Best live action short film
“Ave Maria” Basil Khalil and Eric Dupont
“Day One” Henry Hughes
“Everything Will Be Okay (Alles Wird Gut)” Patrick Vollrath
“Shok” Jamie Donoughue
“Stutterer” Benjamin Cleary and Serena Armitage

Achievement in sound editing
“Mad Max: Fury Road” Mark Mangini and David White
“The Martian” Oliver Tarney
“The Revenant” Martin Hernandez and Lon Bender
“Sicario” Alan Robert Murray
“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” Matthew Wood and David Acord

Achievement in sound mixing
“Bridge of Spies” Andy Nelson, Gary Rydstrom and Drew Kunin
“Mad Max: Fury Road” Chris Jenkins, Gregg Rudloff and Ben Osmo
“The Martian” Paul Massey, Mark Taylor and Mac Ruth
“The Revenant” Jon Taylor, Frank A. Montaño, Randy Thom and Chris Duesterdiek
“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” Andy Nelson, Christopher Scarabosio and Stuart Wilson

Achievement in visual effects
“Ex Machina” Andrew Whitehurst, Paul Norris, Mark Ardington and Sara Bennett
“Mad Max: Fury Road” Andrew Jackson, Tom Wood, Dan Oliver and Andy Williams
“The Martian” Richard Stammers, Anders Langlands, Chris Lawrence and Steven Warner
“The Revenant” Rich McBride, Matthew Shumway, Jason Smith and Cameron Waldbauer
“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” Roger Guyett, Patrick Tubach, Neal Scanlan and Chris Corbould

Adapted screenplay
“The Big Short” Screenplay by Charles Randolph and Adam McKay
“Brooklyn” Screenplay by Nick Hornby
“Carol” Screenplay by Phyllis Nagy
“The Martian” Screenplay by Drew Goddard
“Room” Screenplay by Emma Donoghue

Original screenplay
“Bridge of Spies” Written by Matt Charman and Ethan Coen & Joel Coen
“Ex Machina” Written by Alex Garland
“Inside Out” Screenplay by Pete Docter, Meg LeFauve, Josh Cooley; Original story by Pete Docter, Ronnie del Carmen
“Spotlight” Written by Josh Singer & Tom McCarthy
“Straight Outta Compton” Screenplay by Jonathan Herman and Andrea Berloff; Story by S. Leigh Savage & Alan Wenkus and Andrea Berloff


For me, the biggest stand out is Mad Max: Fury Road. It was my favorite movie of the year, and honestly, can't think of a better movie I've seen all year! However, The Oscar has always chosen performances over the overall craft of filmmaking, so I think The Revenant has the edge to win Best Picture. Overall, solid eight picks for the Best Picture category.

The two films that I wish would have filled the overall 10 spots for Best Picture category are Sicario and Ex Machina. Both are great films that didn't get enough love. Would have liked to have seen Creed get recognized as well.

Idris Elba got SNUBBED for his performance in Beasts Of No Nation, but I wonder if Netflix Original Films need to have some time before making it into the major awards.

That Sam Smith song for Spectre is awful. I can't believe that's nominated. Honestly, that "See You Again" song from Fast and Furious 7 was a better song!



What does everyone think? What/Who do you think got snubbed? Will Leo finally win his much desired Oscar?!?



Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 14, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
Idris Elba got SNUBBED for his performance in Beasts Of No Nation, but I wonder if Netflix Original Films need to have some time before making it into the major awards.
This thought occurred to me as well.  Can't comment on it too much as I haven't seen the film yet, but I was hoping to catch it sometime this weekend.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 14, 2016, 01:28:39 PM
Pumped for this! Watching the ceremony late at night has for the last few years become a tradition for me, my mom, and anyone who wants to join. Always a night of fun and good food and nice company.

Hoping The Revenant dominates the rewards as much as it does the nominations.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on January 14, 2016, 02:39:16 PM
Do entries not need to have been shown in theatres? I'm assuming Beasts of No Nation was only on Netflix.

And Inside Out not nominated for Best Picture? Meh.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2016, 03:14:19 PM
Matt Damon Best Actor :tup

The Martian Best Picture :tup

Ridley Scott ? : :tdwn

Ridiculous. It's his best film in AGES *and* it's overall his most successful.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on January 14, 2016, 03:15:00 PM
Leo Might not win again since he got the Golden Globe and people don't normally win both ??
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 14, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
After we saw Spectre, I commented to my wife how awful the song was. Of course she loved it. :shrug. I listened to it again outside the context if the opening, and it wasn't as bad as I had originally thought. My biggest complaint is the chorus. The music and the vocals start to build nicely, and then it gets all high and whiny.

And of course, the news is all over the BUT ALL THE NOMINEES ARE WHITE PEOPLE!

I only saw Spectre and Inside Out this year, so.. yeah, I have no other comments. I will follow the results online as usual, since the awards show is such a chore to sit through.

Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 14, 2016, 11:14:12 PM
Do entries not need to have been shown in theatres? I'm assuming Beasts of No Nation was only on Netflix.

And Inside Out not nominated for Best Picture? Meh.

You have to screen the movie for the public in at least one theater in LA and one in NY is what the rules say I think. If you screen your indie film at the porn theater with a 20 person limit in each city that makes your film viable as far as I know. :P
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 02:43:46 AM
After we saw Skyfall, I commented to my wife how awful the song was. Of course she loved it. :shrug. I listened to it again outside the context if the opening, and it wasn't as bad as I had originally thought. My biggest complaint is the chorus. The music and the vocals start to build nicely, and then it gets all high and whiny.

And of course, the news is all over the BUT ALL THE NOMINEES ARE WHITE PEOPLE!

I only saw Skyfall and Inside Out this year, so.. yeah, I have no other comments. I will follow the results online as usual, since the awards show is such a chore to sit through.

Skyfall was last year. Just making sure.

And I'm not saying that most nominees aren't white people, but the director of The Revenant isn't.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 15, 2016, 02:57:12 AM
No nomination for Charlize Theron for her flawless performance in Mad Max  Fury Road? Meh..... :yeahright
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 03:24:52 AM
I mean, it was definetely good, but it wasn't oscar worthy in my opinion. So no surprise there for me.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on January 15, 2016, 03:25:00 AM
And I'm not saying that most nominees aren't white people, but the director of The Revenant isn't.
Most things I've seen about that have been talking specifically about the Actor/Actress awards.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on January 15, 2016, 06:26:45 AM
Skyfall was last year. Just making sure.

Oops, correct. I meant Spectre.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on January 15, 2016, 06:41:07 AM
The whole racist Oscar crap is more than annoying. That being said, Will Smith should have been nominated. Also, if Leo doesn't win best actor it will be the biggest screw job ever. As with all award shows I take them with a grain of salt but the Academy Awards seem to be pretty consistent.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 07:02:21 AM
Has there even been any fuss about any black actor this year? I haven't heard anything about Will Smith being that good before I read the post above.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2016, 07:18:22 AM
Do entries not need to have been shown in theatres? I'm assuming Beasts of No Nation was only on Netflix.

You have to screen the movie for the public in at least one theater in LA and one in NY is what the rules say I think. If you screen your indie film at the porn theater with a 20 person limit in each city that makes your film viable as far as I know. :P
I don't think the rules are THAT lax.

But Beasts of No Nation was definitely screened in multiple arthouse theaters throughout the country, specifically for the purpose of Oscar eligibility.

Has there even been any fuss about any black actor this year? I haven't heard anything about Will Smith being that good before I read the post above.
The standout that comes to mind is Idris Elba for Beasts of No Nation
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: masterthes on January 15, 2016, 07:24:40 AM
Mad Max should not have been nominated for best picture. It was a solid production, a good action movie, but come on, best PICTURE?! Ex Machina should've got its nomination instead
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Nekov on January 15, 2016, 07:36:24 AM
Mad Max should not have been nominated for best picture. It was a solid production, a good action movie, but come on, best PICTURE?! Ex Machina should've got its nomination instead

Ex machina should have been nominated to best Picture no doubt, but this is Hollywood we're talking about and Mad Max more than deserves that nomination, it was an absolutely astonishing movie from every point of view.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on January 15, 2016, 07:38:03 AM
I still don't understand how a movie can be nominated for best picture and the director not be nominate for best director. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on January 15, 2016, 07:40:36 AM
I still don't understand how a movie can be nominated for best picture and the director not be nominate for best director. Makes no sense.
Very very very simple:

8 nominations for Best Picture.
5 nominations for Best Director.
Therefore literally impossible for them all to be nominated for both.

EDIT: I would also add that even with the same number of nominations, there could and should still be differences. The overall movie is a combination of factors, including direction, editing, screenplay, acting and of course producing etc.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 07:48:14 AM
Can't the academy nominate 10 best pictures any longer? Or just won't they? 'Cause they've done 8 two years in a row now.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: masterthes on January 15, 2016, 09:34:12 AM
i think they thought 10 was overkill
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2016, 10:16:55 AM
I believe they extended the maximum to 10, but that doesn't obligate them to nominate 10.

Also, from a "White Oscars" viewpoint, many people thought that Creed could be nominated for Best Picture or Best Director (it got neither).  Also, nothing for Straight Outta Compton, for which many people expected SOMETHING.  And many people thought there could be a Best Supporting Actor nod for Samuel L. Jackson for The Hateful Eight.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 15, 2016, 10:23:27 AM
Also, nothing for Straight Outta Compton, for which many people expected SOMETHING.

Maybe besides your point, but it did get the best screenplay nomination.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 15, 2016, 11:19:08 AM
Also, nothing for Straight Outta Compton, for which many people expected SOMETHING.

Maybe besides your point, but it did get the best screenplay nomination.
True.  I was intending the more "major" awards (Actor, Picture, Director).

I haven't even seen it yet myself, just reporting what I've read in certain circles.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on January 15, 2016, 11:33:58 AM

8 nominations for Best Picture.
5 nominations for Best Director.
Therefore literally impossible for them all to be nominated for both.


I guess if The Martian wins best picture and Matt Damon gets best actor - then obviously it reflects positively on the Director .
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: splent on January 15, 2016, 03:38:25 PM
 I think that they should do a best comedy and best drama category like they do for the Golden globes. There's too many people getting shut out of nominations. Too many movies not even being considered.

 Now, I haven't seen enough of these movies have an opinion. I hope to see a few of them in the near future, but with the way my schedule is and money is that's not gonna happen.

 The only thing I know is that  when I see the name of the movie room, I think of the room, and nothing can be how awesome that movie is, so that better not win best picture
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 15, 2016, 05:00:05 PM
I don't mind the format the way it is I just think that their requirements are a little archaic. Comedies should make it but still under the Best Picture guise. It has everything to do with the Academy nomination committee not the categories. I feel that a best comedy open would just have them begrudgingly picking stuff to fill it.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 16, 2016, 12:20:35 AM
And Inside Out not nominated for Best Picture? Meh.

That disdain, like an animation can't be better than a live action movie  ::)
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 16, 2016, 01:56:38 AM
Inside Out and Ex Machina could have gotten the other 2 best picture spots.

Also, are there even any comedies that are that good? I'm not really a comedy fan, but that's mostly because good comedies are so rare.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 16, 2016, 07:25:18 AM
I have no problem with Inside Out not getting nominated for Best Picture.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: splent on January 16, 2016, 04:32:49 PM
My wife is a huge movie buff and is upset at several movies not being nominated while others are and the similarity of movies that were nominated. She told me something like 74% of the voting committee are white, male, and over 65. There needs to be more diversity in the committee.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 16, 2016, 05:18:31 PM
I have no problem with Inside Out not getting nominated for Best Picture.

I have no real problem with it either. But if they had nominated 10, and Inside Out had been on the list, I wouldn't have been surprised.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on January 17, 2016, 03:47:01 AM
I think Straight outta Compton deserved a bit more. Pretty well made movie. Well acted, too.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 17, 2016, 05:49:50 PM
I have no problem with Inside Out not getting nominated for Best Picture.

It was the most acclaimed movie from 2015 but, because it's an animation, it didn't get nominated for BP, hence the complaints.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 17, 2016, 11:03:44 PM
Toy Story 3 got the nomination, and I thought Inside Out was better.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 18, 2016, 08:07:23 AM
Toy Story 3 got the nomination, and I thought Inside Out was better.
I didn't.

Don't get me wrong, it was great, but I certainly didn't think it was one of the 8 or 10 best films of the year.

There is a faction (not pointing any fingers here, not accusing anyone here) that thinks that the "best" animated film should be nominated for Best Picture every year.  I just don't buy that.

Watched Beasts of No Nation this weekend. Incredible.

IMHO, this film was definitely worthy of a Best Picture nod. But while I love Idris Elba, I didn't think he deserved a nomination. However, Abraham Attah, the boy who played Agu, gave a phenomenal performance, and probably WAS deserving of a nomination.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on January 18, 2016, 09:10:25 AM
There is a faction (not pointing any fingers here, not accusing anyone here) that thinks that the "best" animated film should be nominated for Best Picture every year.
Definitely not the case for me, I just genuinely think that Inside Out is an absolutely wonderful film and the sort of film that deserves to be nominated. Far more than Toy Story 3, great as that was.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on January 18, 2016, 09:16:33 AM
I am highly disappointed that this movie wasn't named anywhere.  Forget Inside Out and Creed. This is the real acting right here.

(https://barkerhost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/05/The-Human-Centipede-31-e1430275873871.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 18, 2016, 09:19:04 AM
I especially like what that movie says about society today.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 18, 2016, 08:22:14 PM
There is a faction (not pointing any fingers here, not accusing anyone here) that thinks that the "best" animated film should be nominated for Best Picture every year.  I just don't buy that.

My point was it should have been nominated because it was the most acclaimed movie of the year, not because it was the most acclaimed animation.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 19, 2016, 10:48:50 AM
How do you judge "most acclaimed"?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on January 19, 2016, 11:40:40 AM
I may actually watch now that I know Spike Lee won't be there.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 19, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
I may actually watch now that I know Spike Lee won't be there.
??? Why would that have anything to do with it?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Chino on January 19, 2016, 11:49:58 AM
Watched Beasts of No Nation this weekend. Incredible.


That movie was absolutely fantastic.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on January 19, 2016, 11:52:13 AM
I may actually watch now that I know Spike Lee won't be there.
??? Why would that have anything to do with it?

He hates anyone named after a weapon.

His least favourite director is James Gunn.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 19, 2016, 11:59:59 AM
Watched Beasts of No Nation this weekend. Incredible.


That movie was absolutely fantastic.
It was incredibly well-done, and for me was the biggest of the supposed "snubs".
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on January 19, 2016, 12:14:34 PM
Just a joke in regards to the hububb over the whole white oscar deal. ;)
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 19, 2016, 07:39:27 PM
How do you judge "most acclaimed"?

Well, it's one of the most acclaimed movies of 2015, but i say the most because it was an higher metascore than other critics darlings like Mad Max and Spotlight and it was loved by the public as well.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on January 19, 2016, 08:50:08 PM
Inside Out was easily one of the most acclaimed movies of the year. I'm surprised it didn't get the nomination for Best Picture as well, and one of the only animated films post Toy Story 3 I felt that deserved to be in the Best Picture category.  Surely it is a lock for Best Animated Feature.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 19, 2016, 11:33:28 PM
Don't even mention it. The King's Speech over Toy Story 3 (and Inception, Black Swan, Social Network) :-\
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Zantera on January 20, 2016, 01:42:04 AM
With the animated films vs best films, I don't really have a preference either way. I think having a category for the animated films is a great way to acknowledge them, but you get those rare situations like Up or Toy Story 3 when an animated film gets so good reviews and holds up so well that it should be considered for best film as well. I think due to the fact that they are two different mediums it might be really hard to compare the two. Sure, you could come to a conclusion which film you like more, but they're made so differently that comparing them is a tough challenge.

I don't watch the Pixar films myself, mainly because I'm not within the target audience or have any big interest for them. They might be great films, and something I would be open to go and see with a child or younger sibling, so maybe I will start going in the future when I have a kid myself. I know they make the films so that they appeal to all ages, but it's not something I would go out of my way to see.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on January 20, 2016, 02:10:14 AM
I would say most of the recent Pixar films (Up, Wall-E, Inside Out) are better for adults than kids. Sure they're cute and fun so kids will love them, but they also provide a lot for grown ups to think about that kids just wouldn't get.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Outcrier on January 20, 2016, 07:09:29 PM
I would say most of the recent Pixar films (Up, Wall-E, Inside Out) are better for adults than kids. Sure they're cute and fun so kids will love them, but they also provide a lot for grown ups to think about that kids just wouldn't get.

These three are right up there with the best movies from their respective years.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: orcus116 on January 20, 2016, 09:06:55 PM
I feel I'm one of the only ones who found Up to be just OK. The beginning was amazing and heartbreaking but then it just devolved into a typical Pixar kids adventure movie. While the movie had a different message on a whole a short film of just the opening sequence would've been enough for me.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 21, 2016, 04:40:07 AM
Agreed. The opening is fantastic, but the rest is just okay.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on January 21, 2016, 05:40:42 AM
I don't agree. I mean, the opening is of course superb and heart-breaking, but the film as a whole is about how we deal with loss and whether in difficult situations we stop ourselves from doing things that we want, and that make us happy. I thought it was brilliantly done.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on January 21, 2016, 05:44:47 AM
I'd place it below Finding Nemo, which is my favourite.

Wall•E is worse than Up. once they get on the ship it's boring.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 21, 2016, 07:09:27 AM
Never actually saw Wall-E, and now I'm too spoiled to bother.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 21, 2016, 08:33:58 AM
I feel I'm one of the only ones who found Up to be just OK. The beginning was amazing and heartbreaking but then it just devolved into a typical Pixar kids adventure movie. While the movie had a different message on a whole a short film of just the opening sequence would've been enough for me.
I agree with you completely.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Chino on January 21, 2016, 08:42:55 AM
I feel I'm one of the only ones who found Up to be just OK. The beginning was amazing and heartbreaking but then it just devolved into a typical Pixar kids adventure movie. While the movie had a different message on a whole a short film of just the opening sequence would've been enough for me.
I agree with you completely.

Up was depressing as hell. After the whole adventure, the kid's dad still bails on him, and the only friend he has is likely going to die soon.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on January 22, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
Looks like the Academy is going to shake things up about this whole diversity issue

https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-takes-historic-action-increase-diversity

Quote
Lifetime voting rights reframed; new governor seats added and committees restructured

Goal to double number of diverse members by 2020

In a unanimous vote Thursday night (1/21), the Board of Governors of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences approved a sweeping series of substantive changes designed to make the Academy’s membership, its governing bodies, and its voting members significantly more diverse.  The Board’s goal is to commit to doubling the number of women and diverse members of the Academy by 2020.

“The Academy is going to lead and not wait for the industry to catch up,” said Academy President Cheryl Boone Isaacs. “These new measures regarding governance and voting will have an immediate impact and begin the process of significantly changing our membership composition.”

Beginning later this year, each new member’s voting status will last 10 years, and will be renewed if that new member has been active in motion pictures during that decade.  In addition, members will receive lifetime voting rights after three ten-year terms; or if they have won or been nominated for an Academy Award.  We will apply these same standards retroactively to current members.  In other words, if a current member has not been active in the last 10 years they can still qualify by meeting the other criteria.  Those who do not qualify for active status will be moved to emeritus status.  Emeritus members do not pay dues but enjoy all the privileges of membership, except voting.  This will not affect voting for this year’s Oscars.

At the same time, the Academy will supplement the traditional process in which current members sponsor new members by launching an ambitious, global campaign to identify and recruit qualified new members who represent greater diversity. 

In order to immediately increase diversity on the Board of Governors, the Academy will establish three new governor seats that will be nominated by the President for three-year terms and confirmed by the Board.

The Academy will also take immediate action to increase diversity by adding new members who are not Governors to its executive and board committees where key decisions about membership and governance are made. This will allow new members an opportunity to become more active in Academy decision-making and help the organization identify and nurture future leaders.

Along with Boone Isaacs, the Board’s Membership and Administration Committee, chaired by Academy Governor Phil Robinson, led the efforts to enact these initiatives.

Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on January 22, 2016, 02:31:10 PM
I'm sure there was a stat that 94% of members are white, or something like that? If so, then taking 5 years to double the number of ethnic minorities from 6% to 12% is pathetic.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 22, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
This whole thing is so ridiculous...
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on January 25, 2016, 07:44:21 AM
I'd bet money that a minority actor and actress will win something next year whether they deserve it or not. The same thing happened a few years back when Denzel and Halley Berry won for subpar movies.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Chino on January 25, 2016, 07:50:46 AM
Will Smith dropped so many points in my book after his behavior regarding this.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on January 25, 2016, 08:30:08 AM
The whole is ridiculous. Honestly, I'm not even going to watch because the whole thing will probably be Chris Rock making jokes about white people which is racist in my opinion. Also, I feel bad for all of the actors who actually got nominated. Not very fair to them.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on January 25, 2016, 08:39:25 AM
Will Smith dropped so many points in my book after his behavior regarding this.

What did he do?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Chino on January 25, 2016, 08:47:36 AM
Will Smith dropped so many points in my book after his behavior regarding this.

What did he do?

Him and his wife have called for all kinds of boycotts and shit. He turns down movie roles if they won't give his kid a role too. He turned down Django because he wouldn't have been the lead. He didn't do ID4-Resurgence because he wanted as much money as the rest of the cast combined. He's become a royal douche.


Hollywood is racist? This is Will Smith's house.

(https://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Will-Smith-Calabases-home.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on January 25, 2016, 11:16:55 AM
I'd bet money that a minority actor and actress will win something next year whether they deserve it or not. The same thing happened a few years back when Denzel and Halley Berry won for subpar movies.
Actors don't win for movies, they win for their individual performances.

Regardless of the overall films, if you don't think Denzel and Berry deserved their Oscars, I don't know what to tell you.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: lucky7 on January 27, 2016, 03:29:46 AM
Finally got around to seeing The Revenant and I do believe Leo will win the Oscar. His performance was great.  :hefdaddy
Not sure about Best Film for it, still seeing some of the other nominees in the next week including Room, Spotlight and
The Big Short (I did love the book from Michael Lewis so if they stick close to the book I am sure it will be great.)

I must say in the last year there have not been too many great films (in my opinion). I am glad Inside Out got a nod for Best Animated Film,
I would not have been upset it it had been up for Best Picture either, it was a great movie.. as usual from Pixar.  :corn
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on February 25, 2016, 05:27:55 PM
The awards are only a few days away! I finally got a chance to watch Brooklyn, and thus i've now seen every film nominated in the Best Picture category. Here's how I rank each movie:

8. Bridge of Spies - The weakest of the 8 nominated, but it's not a bad thing. Spielberg's latest film is a moving tribute to American values at their finest, and an examination of the idea that even though we might be separated by political differences or by national borders, we're still all human beings. Tom Hanks shines on the screen, per usual.

7. The Big Short - It's a very good film, but I'm still puzzled as to why this is a Best Picture frontrunner. Its full of fantastic acting performances, especially by Christian Bale, but the arrogance of the screenplay and some of the directing choices pulled attention from the story being told. At times, it feels as alive and vital, attempt to remind viewers of the mass chaos of the financial crisis of 2008.

6. The Martian - Like Mad Max: Fury Road, The Martian is a entertaining crowd pleaser with a lot of meat on it's bones. It's charming and odes to the wonders of science. Matt Damon is just fun to watch, as he MacGyver's his way into surviving on Mars. This is Ridley Scott's best film in many, many years. I mean really, many years.

5. The Revenant - This movie seems like it will be the one to win Best Picture, and while I can see it because it has all the momentum of Alejandro González Iñárritu and Leonardo di Caprio wining big in their respective categories in other film and critics awards, it's not the best out of the eight in my opinion. The most impressive thing about the movie was the cinematography. The camera movement rivals what Iñárritu and his partner Emmanuel Lubezki did in Birdman. Leo's performance is captivating, but I loved Tom Hardy's performance even more. The storytelling construction wasn't my cup of tea, as well as the pacing, but what those elements lacked was shadowed by how incredible the film looked.

4. Brooklyn - One of the best Romantic Dramas that I can think of from the past several years. The movie stars Saoirse Ronan (I still don't know how to pronounce her first name) as a immigrant from Ireland in the 1950s as she tries to establish a new life for herself. The movie perfectly blends the period piece, immigration tale, and romance aspects of the story to speak to the audiences of learning to be yourself and choosing the life your want to lead. The movie has my pick to win Best Adapted Screenplay.

3. Spotlight - This newspaper drama about the 2000 Catholic Church sex scandal investigation under the Boston Globe grows in sheer power over the course of its running time. Beginning with a few small snippets of information, the Boston Globe's  team that consist of Mark Ruffalo, Michael Keaton, Rachel McAdams, and Liev Schrieber zeroes in on massive, systemic problems within the Catholic Church, meant to cover up the crimes of pedophile priests. It's a beautifully written film about how hard it can be to take on deeply entrenched systems. It's picking up steam to win the Best Picture category, even though it might have to wrestle The Revenant for it.

2. Room - This is can be a tough watch for some people. The first half of the film takes place primarily in a suffocating shed, where a woman and her son, the result of a sexual violence, live in captivity. Brie Larson is incredible in this movie, and I hope she wins the Best Actress category. I also with that Jacob Trembly, the young boy, would've received recognition as well. What's amazing is how life-affirming this story ends up being, and how wise it is about the perils of both being a parent and of being a child. Another film that I think will be overlooked for the Best Picture spot.

1. Mad Max: Fury Road - Honestly, I haven't seen a better film all year. When a movie sticks with people for a better part of the year (It was a May release), you know it's a great film. There's a lot of narrative heft in this action driven movie. George Miller gave us storylines that we couldn't help but get invested in, ones that involved much more than the black and white simplicities of life and death.  We learn the about the characters through the action and the circumstances that they are put in. The thematic overtones of saving sex slaves from a controlling alpha male, to free independent women I think is valid in today's society (Google whats going on Kesha for details). It gives the movie much more heart without trying to hitting your head and shoving them into your face with "Theming! Theming! Theming!" The world building in the production design is absolutely stellar. The music just absolutely compliments the film. The acting is great, and absolutely is aesthetically pleasing to this weird, crazy world George Miller created in 1979. The directing and editing is great! I can't think of more pristine action sequences in the past 5 years than the ones in Mad Max: Fury Road, especially the chase with the dirt biker gang. Mad Max: Fury Road is not only absolutely deserving of all the critical acclaim and awards it's been getting this year, but it's the best film of the year. I

Even though I hope Mad Max wins Best Picture, it will be overlooked because of it's genre, since Oscars tend to lean on more prestige-y movies. Science Fiction is not always accessible for all audiences especially when presented in such an intense format. In the 88 years of the Academy's existence, The Lord of the Rings is the only Fantasy movie to ever win the category.

Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 28, 2016, 08:54:46 PM
I wonder how hard it must've been to tell the white girl scouts they had to stay home.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: jammindude on February 28, 2016, 09:13:21 PM
Someone tell me why......this woman is even famous???
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on February 28, 2016, 09:17:17 PM
Someone tell me why......this woman is even famous???

Lady Gaga? Because she's awesome.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: jammindude on February 28, 2016, 09:18:48 PM
Ok....between that horrible Super Bowl performance....then TANKING that David Bowie tribute....and now this horrible abomination of blatant pandering.  Can we be done with this person now?

Outside of "Born This Way" (which I thought was OK) I've never heard anything from her.   But some people here insisted that she was talented.   And in the last three performances I've seen from her, she has completely and utterly failed on every possible level of convincing me of that.  She's utterly freakin TERRIBLE. 

Why is this woman famous??
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on February 28, 2016, 09:20:15 PM
Ok....between that horrible Super Bowl performance....then TANKING that David Bowie tribute....and now this horrible abomination of blatant pandering.  Can we be done with this person now?

Outside of "Born This Way" (which I thought was OK) I've never heard anything from her.   But some people here insisted that she was talented.   And in the last three performances I've seen from her, she has completely and utterly failed on every possible level of convincing me of that.  She's utterly freakin TERRIBLE. 

Why is this woman famous??

This wasn't a great song, and the other two weren't great either. But she makes good albums (I admit I didn't hear the last one. but her first album is incredible and one of my favorites) and she's a hell of an entertainer. I'd say her good stuff outweighs her bad stuff. Sorry you dislike her so strongly.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Shadow Ninja 2.0 on February 28, 2016, 09:23:29 PM
Lady Gaga makes great music. That's why she's famous.

It doesn't hurt that she's pretty bizarre, too.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: jammindude on February 28, 2016, 09:26:20 PM
This just really upset me because she was so awful in the David Bowie tribute, and I was hoping for something really touching and endearing considering the subject matter.   

....but this took something very sensitive, and just made it feel like pandering.   Like everyone on that stage was being violated in a whole new way.    I seriously feel like I need a shower after watching that. 

I told my wife that the next time she accuses Tori Amos of "overdoing it" on her piano, I'm going to show her THIS performance by Lada Gaga.    My wife completely agreed.   She made Tori Amos look like Steven Hawking tonight. 
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2016, 09:28:37 PM
For those of us not watching, what did Lady Gaga do and what was the subject matter? 
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on February 28, 2016, 09:31:57 PM
For those of us not watching, what did Lady Gaga do and what was the subject matter?

She did a song about survivors of sexual assault. Apparently some people really hated it. I didn't have a big problem with it. Not her best, but it wasn't insultingly bad as people seem to say. My opinion I guess.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on February 28, 2016, 09:35:42 PM
She was robbed. One of the worst James Bond songs ever won the award  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2016, 09:35:53 PM
Ah. I'm sure it will be talked about a lot in the days to come by many.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: jammindude on February 28, 2016, 09:39:24 PM
Maybe it was just me.  But "exploitation" was the word I was looking for.    The entire thing felt like an exploitation of every victim of sexual abuse. 
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 28, 2016, 09:52:09 PM
Lady Gaga makes great music. That's why she's famous.

It doesn't hurt that she's pretty bizarre, too.

Agreed. She doesn't always make songs that I like but I respect that she does things that set her apart from the crowd.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 28, 2016, 09:56:42 PM
It's about time!
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: jammindude on February 28, 2016, 10:02:22 PM
Really happy for Leo.  The first time I ever saw him was in What's Eating Gilbert Grape.    He was *SO* good that I thought they had gone out and found an actor that had Down Syndrome.    That's how good he was even as a pre-teen.    He totally deserved this.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on February 28, 2016, 10:04:03 PM
Well earned Spotlight!!!
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: jammindude on February 28, 2016, 10:07:41 PM
I've been wanting to see Spotlight since I first saw the previews.   Can't wait to finally see it.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 28, 2016, 10:09:31 PM
I think I'll watch Steve Jobs first, since I downloaded it last week, then Spotlight.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: MetalJunkie on February 28, 2016, 10:14:29 PM
I simply don't understand how anyone can not appreciate Lady Gaga.

I mean...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXS1cpSwwbQ

FFS
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 28, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Really happy for Leo.  The first time I ever saw him was in What's Eating Gilbert Grape.    He was *SO* good that I thought they had gone out and found an actor that had Down Syndrome.    That's how good he was even as a pre-teen.    He totally deserved this.

Yeah....I haven't seen "the revenent" yet but he absolutely deserved to finally get an oscar. I sure hope he's not a hypocrite who preaches about the earth like he does but then has a carbon footprint the size of Jupiter. Seems like he's passionate about it and he definitely has the $$ to be able to practice what he preaches.....
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Ben_Jamin on February 28, 2016, 10:16:06 PM
I knew Leo was gonna win. Imagine the shitstorm that would've ensued, especially on social media, If he didn't.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on February 28, 2016, 10:30:10 PM
I was following the results on wikipedia. At some point, it had Matt Damon listed as the winner. I was quite amazed. Later I saw it had Leo listed. I quite enjoy his films, and his performances, but in many ways I always feel like I am always watching Leo on the screen. That can work with some actors, especially pre-method acting. Watch Cary Grant, and you are fully aware you are watching Cary Grant, but you don't care, because he is always awesome as Cary Grant as whatever character he is playing.

Also, cheers to Ennio Morrcione for the win. I know he won an honorary award or whatever it was, but nice to see him up there with an actual win as well. Watch his acceptance speech for the honorary win, and you can see how truly touched and honored he was.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on February 28, 2016, 11:06:50 PM
So some thoughts on this year's Academy Awards

- This was the most balanced, spread out that I've ever seen the Academy Awards. Typically the formula is that the movie that wins Best Directing or has has the most handful of awards, it typically will win Best Picture. Spotlight won after receiving one other Oscar. Mad Max received the most, and The Revenant only won three out it's 12 nominations.

- On my money, Mad Max: Fury Road was the best overall film of the year. I knew, however, the chances of it winning were slim because the Academy does not recognize Fantasy and Sci-Fi films, whether they were exceptional or not. The Dark Knight was the best film of 2008, but wasn't even nominated. Its lack of nomination did lead for the Best Picture category to be extended up to ten nominations. The ONLY Fantasy or Science Fiction movie to ever win Best Picture in the Academy's 88 years of existence was The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King in 2003. Mad Max: Fury Road at least took home the most Academy Awards, winning 7 out of it's 10 nominations! In a perfect world, George Miller would have won Best Director and Mad Max would have taken home the big award. Mad Max: Fury Road will always be remembered though as a great piece of progressive storytelling and feminist action masterpiece.

- Chris Rock was a fantastic host, but the whole diversity issue being brought up was over bearing. His opening monologue that touched on the topic was PERFECT AND BRILLIANT AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT AT THAT.

- I'm not sure if the Academy voters have gotten their ears checked, because that Sam Smith song that won is one of the worst James Bond songs ever, and should have never been considered. Lady Gaga's incredible song for The Hunting Ground was robbed.

- Sylvester Stallone's reprisal of Rocky Balboa in Creed was one of the most moving performances of the year. Mark Rylance was fantastic in Bridge of Spies, but Sly has the better performance.

- Inside Out solidified Pixar as one of the most dominating movie studios of all time.

Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Outcrier on February 29, 2016, 12:09:25 AM
Agreed. Mad Max and Dark Knight should have won Best Picture, but the Academy doesn't care for these kind of movies when it comes to this category.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 29, 2016, 12:22:29 AM
I just realized that Abe Vigoda wasn't included in the In Memoriam segment. Odd....

He's really still alive. I knew it!
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Zantera on February 29, 2016, 03:15:45 AM
Really happy that my homegirl Alicia Vikander won :)
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on February 29, 2016, 03:48:14 AM
This just really upset me because she was so awful in the David Bowie tribute, and I was hoping for something really touching and endearing considering the subject matter.   

....but this took something very sensitive, and just made it feel like pandering.   Like everyone on that stage was being violated in a whole new way.    I seriously feel like I need a shower after watching that. 

I told my wife that the next time she accuses Tori Amos of "overdoing it" on her piano, I'm going to show her THIS performance by Lada Gaga.    My wife completely agreed.   She made Tori Amos look like Steven Hawking tonight.



Tori Amos > > > > > > > > > Lady Gaga.



Ok....between that horrible Super Bowl performance....then TANKING that David Bowie tribute....and now this horrible abomination of blatant pandering.  Can we be done with this person now?

Outside of "Born This Way" (which I thought was OK) I've never heard anything from her.   But some people here insisted that she was talented.   And in the last three performances I've seen from her, she has completely and utterly failed on every possible level of convincing me of that.  She's utterly freakin TERRIBLE. 

Why is this woman famous??



 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy I fucking hate her. All her music is *GENERIC AS FUCK*. Could have been written by anyone - and her whole persona is just publicity stunts because her bland as shit music

alone wouldn't cut it.




Every single song on " From The Choirgirl Hotel " alone pisses on any song Lady CACA has ever done. . . .
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on February 29, 2016, 04:42:02 AM
Mostly happy about tonight. I wanted Leo to win, and like Zantera I think it's fun that local girl Alicia Vikander won. Also glad Iñárritu won for his brilliant directing, and that Revenant took home the cinematography win, which it really deserved.

While I really like Mad Max, and it's high on my personal top 10 of the year, I don't really think it fits the academy awards and think it stole some of the wins from more deserving movies.

She was robbed. One of the worst James Bond songs ever won the award  :facepalm:

I think Writings On the Wall is great, it's the one I wanted to win.

Ok....between that horrible Super Bowl performance....

What was wrong with the super bowl performance? I thought it was just fine.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Zantera on February 29, 2016, 04:58:09 AM
This was the first time I stayed up and watched it all (It ends around 6 AM here, so only really doable if there's no work or school the day after, last few years I've watched maybe half of it). I came for Alicia Vikander and stayed for the heavy awards.

Chris Rock did a solid job hosting, but the whole #oscarsowhite thing became very heavy handed after a while. I liked his opening monologue where he adressed it, and that's really all we needed. But then it kept on coming, and every time he took the mic, we got another race-joke. But compared to most hosts in recent memory, he was probably one of the better. I didn't care for Seth McFarlane that much, and let's not even talk about Ellen with her selfies or Franco/Hathaway. I do think it would be more nice if they got hosts who were actually respectable actors as well. Someone like Kevin Spacey would do a good job hosting I think.

Happy to see Mad Max get so many awards, and really happy to see Ex Machina get some recognition. Was really happy with Vikander and Larson winning, both were my picks, but Rylance was a bit ofa a disappointment IMO. Heard he's good, and I haven't watched the film, so I guess I can't really comment, but it would have been nice to see either Stallone or Hardy get that one. Regarding Leo, this was the year. I don't think Leo is as great as many others do, he's good most of the times, but to win the oscar you really gotta be the best that year, and he has never been THE best in any given year, he has just been very consistent. This year the competition didn't feel as strong, and while I liked him in Revenant, it felt a bit like when Scorsese won for The Departed. Redmayne won last year for an even better role than he did this year, Cranston was great in a film that didn't have much hype going for it, going into the oscars, and Matt Damon was good, but not oscar-good. The only tough opponent this year was Fassbender for his great portrayal as Steve Jobs, but it really did feel like a 70/30 split or so.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on February 29, 2016, 05:35:53 AM
Had to check that The Revenant DOP wasn't the one from Interstellar and SPECTRE. Both those films are really bland looking. At least in the colour palette.

I really hope that Christopher Nolan goes back to using Wally Pfister.






...EDIT just checked the wiki page for Dunkirk and Hoyte Von Hoytema is listed as DP. :(
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 29, 2016, 05:37:58 AM

Every single song on " From The Choirgirl Hotel " alone pisses on any song Lady CACA has ever done. . . .

Well it's hard to argue with such sophomoric rationale using 1st grader comebacks.  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on February 29, 2016, 05:42:40 AM

Every single song on " From The Choirgirl Hotel " alone pisses on any song Lady CACA has ever done. . . .

Well it's hard to argue with such sophomoric rationale using 1st grader comebacks.  :lol


IKR !!!!!! :hifive:
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: orcus116 on February 29, 2016, 05:47:54 AM
Chris Rock did a solid job hosting, but the whole #oscarsowhite thing became very heavy handed after a while. I liked his opening monologue where he adressed it, and that's really all we needed. But then it kept on coming, and every time he took the mic, we got another race-joke.

Not only that but they kept throwing past-Oscar winners and other performers that were black up as presenters in that attempt at a "Hey we've honored black people in the past too! Look!" The president of the Academy was the worst as far as the pandering went. The whole thing was just clearly just damage control over a non-issue.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 29, 2016, 05:49:28 AM
For the record, Tori Amos is definitely better musically in my opinion. But Lady Gaga is innovative in her own way. I've checked out quite a bit of her stuff, and not all of it sounds the same. It's far from generic. Don't go by the radio hits. After hearing the album she did with Tony Bennett, something tells me she'll eventually wind up singing music like that, and I'm looking forward to it. She has a beautiful voice when she wants to.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Sacul on February 29, 2016, 05:52:32 AM
I think she tries too hard to "be" different, like me a hipster but without the fedora :P
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on February 29, 2016, 05:55:36 AM
She definitely uses publicity stunts and acting weird to boost her music.

If she had the same music and was just "Stefani Germanotta " and wore normal clothes etc..

Do you think she would have been as hugely successful ?

I mean - props for being able to play the game. Some people can do it.

Every single idea that I thought was clever to promote my music has failed miserably so kudos.

And she's not even 30 yet which really sticks in the craw :lol
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 29, 2016, 06:04:13 AM
Well I don't mind the weirdness, as long as it's not hurting anyone. That doesn't take away from her talents. Listen to the CD she did with Tony Bennett. She has a vocal gift. 

By the way, if KISS didn't put the makeup on, do you think they would have been noticed or just lumped in with a bunch of other 70s bands that sounded like them?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on February 29, 2016, 06:07:42 AM
I'm not against having an image. Just when it's the entire focus of your "act".

But I dislike KISS even more than Gaga so...  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on February 29, 2016, 06:12:05 AM
I'm not against having an image. Just when it's the entire focus of your "act".

But I dislike KISS even more than Gaga so...  :lol

I used to be a huge Kiss fan, then one day I woke up and it just sounded boring to me. I can't stand Gene Simmons, and I don't know why. My friend once described them as actors with instruments, and I guess after a while I just started to see them in that same light. There are still some songs that I love to hear but I don't own any of their CDs anymore.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on February 29, 2016, 10:02:04 AM
Ok....between that horrible Super Bowl performance....then TANKING that David Bowie tribute....and now this horrible abomination of blatant pandering.  Can we be done with this person now?
I would just like to say that she did a good job at the Super Bowl.  I mean, obviously opinions, but that was pretty good.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: pogoowner on February 29, 2016, 10:34:47 AM
Really happy to see Spotlight win. It was my favorite movie of the year. I was really pulling for Mark Ruffalo, too, but I haven't seen Bridge of Spies, so I won't complain yet about him not winning best supporting actor.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on February 29, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
Mark Rylance's performance in Bridge of Spies isn't the typical big crying scene or break-down type role. It's a very subdued and subtle performance, and it was definetely good. I have no problem with him winning it, although I was sort of rooting for Hardy.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: KevShmev on February 29, 2016, 07:43:33 PM
DiCaprio finally winning an Oscar last night should have been a special thing, like when Pacino finally won his in the early 90s, but it had that "we have to finally give him one" feel to it. The fact that he babbled on about climate change for the majority of his speech didn't help either. 
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: lucky7 on February 29, 2016, 08:43:45 PM
Big fan of the 88th Academy Awards

Chris Rock was an excellent host. I loved every piece of his monologue.

I loved that Spotlight received the award for original screenplay and Big Short for the adapted screenplay.

Mad Max receiving 6 awards was great, Aussies really do have great acceptance speeches.

I have not seen Bridge of Spies so I can't really comment on Mark Rylance who won Best Supporting Actor, but being a big fan of Spotlight I really felt Mark Ruffalo really deserved that one, and the names so similar when the winner was read out I really felt for him.

I wanted Rachel McAdams to win Best Supporting Actress for Spotlight and I haven't seen The Danish Girl so again can't comment on the winner.

Best Actress and Best Actor were well deserved for both Brie and Leo, both had exceptional speeches.

As for song, they were both good performances, but the one song missing that was missing from the nominations was Lava which was on the short film shown before Inside Out.

Director was tight, but The Revenant was well deserved, I won't even bother trying to spell his name correctly.

Best Picture winner Spotlight, well deserved, it was my pick although granted I had only seen 4 pf the Best Picture nominees.

If I have one criticism of the awards it is the presenters. I realize the dialogue is written for them, but it is painful dialogue 95% of the time, why not get them up their and just say we are here to present blah blah and here are the nominees, and then the winner is..... they will still be the presenter and still get their dress or suit seen and they will still receive their  goodie bag valued at 200k!
But when you see a winner up at the podium who has worked hard on their movie, been nominated, won the award, finally get up to the podium to say their thanks, and they are given about 42 seconds, even harder when there are two winners, usually the second winner barely gets to speak, even if they get the names of those they want to thank running along the bottom of the screen it is not the same. If the presenters time was limited then the actual winners could have an extra fifteen seconds each. if they need it and if there are multiple winners, extended time where applicable.

Will be good if Chris Rock is signed up to host again next year.  :smiley:

Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Sacul on February 29, 2016, 10:35:33 PM
The fact that he babbled on about climate change for the majority of his speech didn't help either.
I thought it was a very humble and smart move to dedicate it to an important matter rather than just thanking all of his millionaire friends and family.


Chris Rock was an excellent host. I loved every piece of his monologue.
How curious, I hated 90% of what he said, and that 10% I enjoyed had nothing to do with racial issues  :P
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: DragonAttack on February 29, 2016, 11:30:49 PM
Real brief:  Chris Rock was pretty good initially ('what amazes me is that Will Smith made twenty million for 'Wild Wild West' was a classic.
But after the third or fourth bit, well, the horse is dead, we get it Chris, please move on .....but not to something tasteless like the Asian accountants' skit.

Lady Gaga has to be a slight talent to continually work with Tony Bennett.  I don't listen to her music, but her National Anthem was on par with Whitney Houston's.  Her performance Sunday was powerful.  I didn't know she was a rape victim until today.  So, that's handling that whole situation quite well.

I knew absolutely nothing of 'Spotlight' when the wife rented it.  Thought it was an old B&W flick.  Totally brilliant.  Deserved screenplay and film.  (Sad to see my former archdiocese on the ending 'list').

Finally:  the memorium.  The perfect ending.  'I have been, and always shall be, your friend.'   Thank you, Leonard.

Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Dream Team on March 01, 2016, 06:42:43 AM
The fact that he babbled on about climate change for the majority of his speech didn't help either.
I thought it was a very humble and smart move to dedicate it to an important matter rather than just thanking all of his millionaire friends and family.


Chris Rock was an excellent host. I loved every piece of his monologue.
How curious, I hated 90% of what he said, and that 10% I enjoyed had nothing to do with racial issues  :P

You are 1000% correct. Rock was horrible and unfunny. Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get Jim Carrey to host.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 01, 2016, 07:41:33 AM
I can't help but think that Jim Carrey would be an awful host.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 01, 2016, 08:20:49 AM
Maybe in his prime he would have been a great choice, but he's been stepping out of the limelight and apart from Dumb and Dumber To, you really haven't heard much about him lately. He seems to prefer it that way, and hosting the academy awards would be opposite.

My money would still be on Kevin Spacey. He is always good on screen, he oozes the class and sofistication you sort of relate to the Oscars, and he can sing, dance, do celebrity impressions. He's a good mixture of serious and funny when he wants to be. I think he would do a great job, but lately they seem to go for more pure entertainers rather than big movie personalities, which is a bit of a shame. Another guy I think would do a good job would be The Rock. Unlike Spacey, he isn't a class actor, but he has the charisma and likability that I think he could pull it off.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 01, 2016, 08:21:36 AM
Spacey would be awesome.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 01, 2016, 12:07:16 PM
I haven't ever gotten why everyone likes the Rock so much. I don't think I really like any of his movies. Yeah, he's a bit likeable, but not that likeable. So on him hosting for me.

Spacey though is a great choice. And it feels like if they went with him they wouldn't feel the need to have to be funny all the time.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 01, 2016, 12:42:32 PM
I can't help but think that Jim Carrey would be an awful host.

Yes

and

Spacey would be awesome.

Yes

I still enjoy when Billy Crystal does it.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 01, 2016, 02:27:31 PM
Yes, Crystal is fantastic.

TBH, I thought Ellen DeGeneres did a great job.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 01, 2016, 05:46:39 PM
Yes, Crystal is fantastic.

TBH, I thought Ellen DeGeneres did a great job.

Yes! She's hysterical. I saw one of her stand-ups and it was great. I saw the one when the girl in the audience was in tears thanking Ellen for making it possible for women to come out and be proud about it. Ellen went up to her and hugged her. It was such a humbling moment.

It's not easy to find good awards show hosts. You need that specific personality. If it wasn't for the fact that every other word out of his mouth is fuck, I would love to see Lewis Black do it. He's my favorite comedian that's around right now, and probably in my Top 5 all-time after Jackie Gleason and George Carlin.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 01, 2016, 05:47:56 PM
Spacey would be great, as would Bryan Cranston. 
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on March 01, 2016, 05:49:23 PM
Chris Rock was fuckin awesome. His delivery was impeccable. His opening monolouge was the best in a long time....probably since Hugh Jackman's opening musical number in 2009. One of my favorite lines was "It's not always about racism. It's not always about sexism. The reason why Men get asked more questions is because we are all wearing the SAME THING!" :lol
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on March 01, 2016, 06:34:57 PM
So now Rock is a racist with Asians?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on March 01, 2016, 06:57:41 PM
So now Rock is a racist with Asians?

Huh? I admit the little skit/joke thing was really bad, but it wasn't racist.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on March 01, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/asian-jokes-at-oscars-2016_us_56d492e7e4b0871f60ec3c6b

Just saw the headline.  I didn't watch the Oscars.  I felt it my ethic responsibility to boycott the Oscars (like I've done every year since my birth)
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on March 01, 2016, 07:24:45 PM
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/asian-jokes-at-oscars-2016_us_56d492e7e4b0871f60ec3c6b

Just saw the headline.  I didn't watch the Oscars.  I felt it my ethic responsibility to boycott the Oscars (like I've done every year since my birth)

Eh, he was making a really poor joke about child labor, but meant to shame Hollywood and America in general.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 01, 2016, 07:30:02 PM
I don't really see anything racist about it. Calling it racist makes it sound deplorable.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on March 01, 2016, 07:53:24 PM
Well, we are talking about the Huffington Post.  It isn't as if it is a real journalist website.  I have it under the folder:  Entertainment.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on March 01, 2016, 07:59:19 PM
Well, we are talking about the Huffington Post.  It isn't as if it is a real journalist website.  I have it under the folder:  Entertainment.

Alright.

Anyway, if the Oscars wanted to go R rated, Deadpool (in character) would be a great host. A more realistic option, however, is Micheal Keaton. Dude has a really likable personality, has been in both of the past two years best pictures and seems pretty entertaining. He also seems like an out of the box idea.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 01, 2016, 08:08:17 PM
Well, we are talking about the Huffington Post.  It isn't as if it is a real journalist website.  I have it under the folder:  Entertainment.

Aren't they all just that...entertainment?   ;)


Anyway, if the Oscars wanted to go R rated, Deadpool (in character) would be a great host. A more realistic option, however, is Micheal Keaton. Dude has a really likable personality, has been in both of the past two years best pictures and seems pretty entertaining. He also seems like an out of the box idea.

True, true. I always liked him. I've always thought he was an underrated actor.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: lucky7 on March 01, 2016, 09:07:25 PM
Michael Keaton would be great, but since he has been in the last two picture winners, I am guessing he has his pick of movies and will have no time.

Kevin Spacey is one of the best actors of all time, but lately he can't stop dropping F bombs every time he is interviewed, if he could curb that he would be an excellent host.

Would love to see Billy Crystal host again, even Whoppi Goldberg again.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on March 01, 2016, 09:09:55 PM
Sean Gunn.


Yup. Try to imagine it.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 01, 2016, 09:50:35 PM
I'm not a big Whoopi fan. I actually don't even find her the slightest bit funny.

Kevin Spacey would be great hosting it. He has the wit, the class, and the commanding presence.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: pogoowner on March 01, 2016, 10:24:22 PM
I saw some people suggesting Louis C.K. after seeing the bit he did for this year's ceremony. I love the guy and think he would do a great job, but at the same time, I think if you left him up there that long, he would venture into some territory that "the masses" wouldn't be very comfortable with.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Cyclopssss on March 02, 2016, 01:02:58 AM
What I'm curious about is how much of 'Fight the power' by Public Enemy they aired at the end credits.
Was this part of the lyrics included:

Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Mother fuck him and John Wayne?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: kaos2900 on March 02, 2016, 06:58:03 AM
Wow.

The show this year was complete joke from start to finish. Didn't 12 Years a Slave win best picture not that long ago? Also, the hypocrisy of Chris Rock to be racist towards Asians is beyond funny. I've lost all respect for the show and Chris Rock.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on March 02, 2016, 08:10:35 AM
Also, the hypocrisy of Chris Rock to be racist towards Asians is beyond funny. I've lost all respect for the show and Chris Rock.
Was that not surely the whole point of the joke?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Accelerando on March 02, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
hypocrisy?!? Kaos what are you talking about?!?  :lol
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Genowyn on March 02, 2016, 01:15:21 PM
Some latino/a people online have commented that despite the talk of racism and white folk only at this years awards, they actually had a pretty strong showing.

Or do they count as white in this circumstance but not in others?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 02, 2016, 02:22:01 PM
The "whiteout" is in reference to the acting nominations - 5 nominees each for Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress.

Those 20 nominees were white as snow.  Not a Latino in sight.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 02, 2016, 02:55:39 PM
I wouldn't say white as snow. Stallone is darker than most of the Hispanics and Latinos there.   :lol   
(https://static1.i4u.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/main_image_large/images/2016/02/sylvester-stallone.jpg)

Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on March 02, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
It is always smart to fight perceived racism with actual racism.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: The Trooper on March 02, 2016, 03:23:45 PM
He should have left it after the opening and then left it at that. His opening was brilliant. After that it was beating a dead horse..
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2016, 03:24:57 PM
" Welcome to the 2016 Academy Awards "

* mic drop *

* leaves stage *
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 02, 2016, 03:27:24 PM
" Welcome to the 2016 Academy Awards "

* mic drop *

* leaves stage *

That would have been more satisfying.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Sacul on March 02, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
I haven't read any complaints about lack of nominated Asian actors for instance :P

What if... A crazy thought but what if... No black actor/actress did well enough to deserve a nomination?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Cool Chris on March 02, 2016, 03:51:46 PM
The "whiteout" is in reference to the acting nominations - 5 nominees each for Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress.

Perhaps, the best acting performances were all done by white people?

The parallel argument, which I think is a more valid one and one that I believe Spike Lee was trying to make, is that it is near impossible for minorities to get involved in the business side of making films. I think he was the one who said it is easier for a black person to be president of the USA than of a movie studio. If that is the case, and it probably is, I think this is a valid argument to pursue. Not who gets silly little gold statues.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2016, 03:51:57 PM

What if... A crazy thought but what if... No black actor/actress did well enough to deserve a nomination?

Well quite :p
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on March 02, 2016, 03:53:15 PM
I haven't read any complaints about lack of nominated Asian actors for instance :P

What if... A crazy thought but what if... No black actor/actress did well enough to deserve a nomination?
What, almost every single year? That seems unlikely given the number of top quality non-white actors there are.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 02, 2016, 04:02:09 PM
12 Years A Slave got best picture which was directed by a Black Director , best screen play for a black guy and they gave Lupita Nyong'o best actress in 2013.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on March 02, 2016, 04:26:15 PM
12 Years A Slave got best picture which was directed by a Black Director , best screen play for a black guy and they gave Lupita Nyong'o best actress in 2013.
The "whiteout" is in reference to the acting nominations - 5 nominees each for Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Calvin6s on March 02, 2016, 04:31:27 PM
Kanye West should host.  He could correct all the *wrong* winners on the spot.

#OscarsSoBeyonce
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 02, 2016, 05:04:32 PM
While I think other actors than white actors should get recognition, I always thought the whole "OscarSoWhite" discussion was flawed to begin with. If a black actor WAS nominated, wouldn't you want him to be nominated because he actually was one of the best actors that year, and not just because of some rule that stated "we have to have at least 1 black dude"? There's plenty of talented actors in other minorities, but at least to me, there wasn't one big standout that was robbed of a nomination this year in favour of a white person getting it instead. The actors they did have all put in great performances. I don't care if it's 5 black guys, 5 white guys or 5 asians, the best actors are the best actors and they should be nominated on their performances and nothing else.

I guess someone would make a case for Idris Elba, but the problem with his case was not that he was a black actor, but the fact that they made that film a Netflix exclusive thing. As much as the general public might be open to that concept, I think it's gonna be years before the academy warms up to the idea of the "straight to video" approach in the modern society with films going out straight on Netflix, Amazon Prime and the likes. Had that movie been widely released, I think the chances of him getting nominated would have been much higher.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 02, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
I haven't read any complaints about lack of nominated Asian actors for instance :P

What if... A crazy thought but what if... No black actor/actress did well enough to deserve a nomination?

Now why would we want to be logical about it when we can call it racism and give Al Sharpton another excuse to inundate the news with his oversized head?  ;)
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: DragonAttack on March 02, 2016, 06:58:42 PM
^
from wiki as to 'Beasts':
"Netflix bought the worldwide distribution rights for around $12 million. The film was simultaneously released theatrically and online through its subscription video on demand service on October 16, 2015, with Bleecker Street handling the theatrical release. Considering the online release a violation of the traditional 90-day release window of exclusivity to theatres, AMC Cinemas, Carmike Cinemas, Cinemark, and Regal Entertainment Group—four of the largest theater chains in the United States—announced that they would boycott Beasts of No Nation, effectively downgrading it to a limited release at smaller and independent theatres. The film was also theatrically released in the UK on October 16, 2015, in Curzon Cinemas."

I remembered hearing of this.  That's what irritated some, because I guess it does mean it fit the guidelines to be nominated.
 

Perhaps, the best acting performances were all done by white people?

The parallel argument, which I think is a more valid one and one that I believe Spike Lee was trying to make, is that it is near impossible for minorities to get involved in the business side of making films. I think he was the one who said it is easier for a black person to be president of the USA than of a movie studio. If that is the case, and it probably is, I think this is a valid argument to pursue. Not who gets silly little gold statues.

^
This. Also, the big money is foreign markets, and foreign markets are, oh, shall we say 'choosy' in who and what they watch.

And sorry Will Smith, you were OK in the slightly disappointing 'Concussion'.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on March 02, 2016, 07:03:11 PM
I think the absence of nominations for Straight Outta Compton (minus the script, written by white people) or Creed was a big part of it.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: KevShmev on March 02, 2016, 08:35:18 PM
Seems hard to believe that Samuel Jackson has only received one Academy Award nomination over the years (for Pulp Fiction).  How he didn't get a nomination for Best Supporting Actor for Django Unchained is unbelievable to me.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: ariich on March 02, 2016, 11:55:20 PM
While I think other actors than white actors should get recognition, I always thought the whole "OscarSoWhite" discussion was flawed to begin with. If a black actor WAS nominated, wouldn't you want him to be nominated because he actually was one of the best actors that year, and not just because of some rule that stated "we have to have at least 1 black dude"? There's plenty of talented actors in other minorities, but at least to me, there wasn't one big standout that was robbed of a nomination this year in favour of a white person getting it instead. The actors they did have all put in great performances. I don't care if it's 5 black guys, 5 white guys or 5 asians, the best actors are the best actors and they should be nominated on their performances and nothing else.

I guess someone would make a case for Idris Elba, but the problem with his case was not that he was a black actor, but the fact that they made that film a Netflix exclusive thing. As much as the general public might be open to that concept, I think it's gonna be years before the academy warms up to the idea of the "straight to video" approach in the modern society with films going out straight on Netflix, Amazon Prime and the likes. Had that movie been widely released, I think the chances of him getting nominated would have been much higher.
I'm fairly sure nobody is suggesting there should be a quota. And you personally may not have felt that any black actors deserved a nomination, though the argument can be made that most of the best roles that lend themselves towards Oscar nominations go to black actors. And besides that, many people would disagree with you. You mentioned Idris Elba, and Adami gave some other examples.

Of course there shouldn't be a quota. It's bad enough that they have to have separate men's and women's categories for acting, they obviously can't do the same for ethnic minorities. But with the number of excellent actors and performances among ethnic minorities, they are definitely under-represented in the acting nominations year after year.

And that doesn't mean anyone (or at least most people) is suggesting that this is deliberate, that the Academy voters are deliberately excluding black people. Bias is normally an unconscious thing.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 03, 2016, 08:47:10 AM
What if... A crazy thought but what if... No black actor/actress did well enough to deserve a nomination?
But how do you define "well enough"?

It's touchy, because not only is picking a winner mostly subjective, but even picking the nominees is also mostly subjective.  Most years, there are other deserving candidates who don't get nominated in whatever category we are talking about (snubs), whether this awards show or others.  It happens.

The weird thing is that, in this error of inclusion and diversity, we have had two years in a row that no people of color had "good enough" performances to warrant a nomination in any of those categories. 

The other touchy thing is that, if you say "Idris Elba was deserving of a nomination" (which I think is a reasonable opinion), then given that there are only 5 spots for nominees, which of the 5 that made it is there undeservingly?  That seems like a very difficult question to me, and one that makes me nervous about how to rectify the situation.

At any rate, it is clear that the problem isn't with the other actors, but rather with the members of the Academy, and how different people can become members.  And racial issues are not the only issues they are facing.  A group of stuntmen held a rally right around Oscar time, protesting that there isn't an award for them, even though they often literally risk life and limb for the movies.  Turns out there are only a handful of stunt people that are members of the Academy.

*shrugs*

Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 03, 2016, 08:59:29 AM
Seems hard to believe that Samuel Jackson has only received one Academy Award nomination over the years (for Pulp Fiction).  How he didn't get a nomination for Best Supporting Actor for Django Unchained is unbelievable to me.

I think there are three Oscar-worthy supporting roles in that movie, I guess they just couldn't go with all three.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Genowyn on March 03, 2016, 10:00:00 AM
I think Leo deserved the Oscar over Waltz for Django... Don't get me wrong, both great performances, but Leo slicing his hand open and just carrying on with the scene in a way that made Candy just that much more disturbing... Great stuff.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: BlackInk on March 03, 2016, 10:56:28 AM
I think Leo deserved the Oscar over Waltz for Django

I agree.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on March 03, 2016, 11:49:00 AM
While he did a great job in The Revenant, I'm surprised he didn't win it for some of his other movies. He was great in Django, and I always heard he was spectacular in The Aviator.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Zantera on March 03, 2016, 11:57:48 AM
He was great in The Aviator, but you also gotta put in context which years those films came out and what the other nominees were. With the case of Aviator, he was nominated, but Jamie Foxx won for Ray, which was arguably the stronger performance. Often it's easy to say that someone should have won for their role in a certain movie while completely disregarding what actually did win, and with the case of Leo, I think he has put out a list of great performances, but he has never had that one performance which was the best in any given year.. until now. Personally I thought this year looked weaker in that category, and had there been tougher rivals, he might have been snubbed again. But he did put in an excellent performance and deserved the award IMO.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Kotowboy on March 03, 2016, 11:58:55 AM
I thought he was amazing in "...Gilbert Grape. " and " This Boy's Life. "

It seems that post - Titanic - he's been more or less playing the same character in different outfits.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on March 03, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
I thought he was amazing in "...Gilbert Grape. " and " This Boy's Life. "

It seems that post - Titanic - he's been more or less playing the same character in different outfits.

Have you....seen any of his movies? I'll admit they're not all radically different from each other,  but how can you possibly compare his roles in Django, aviator, catch me if you can, revolutionary road and wolf of Wall Street (just to name a few) and say they're all the same?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Prog Snob on March 03, 2016, 12:44:03 PM
I thought he was amazing in "...Gilbert Grape. " and " This Boy's Life. "

It seems that post - Titanic - he's been more or less playing the same character in different outfits.

Have you....seen any of his movies? I'll admit they're not all radically different from each other,  but how can you possibly compare his roles in Django, aviator, catch me if you can, revolutionary road and wolf of Wall Street (just to name a few) and say they're all the same?

I was going to let it go but I was wondering the same thing. I have seen Catch Me If You Can numerous times and Aviator once or twice. Using just those two movies alone, the characters have different personalities.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: MirrorMask on March 03, 2016, 01:25:06 PM
I agree that it's an exageration to call Di Caprio roles the same thing over and over, but to be fair... if I tell you that Di Caprio is in a movie playing a troubled man who has issues knowing reality from fantasy and can't let go of his dead wife, am I talking about Inception or Shutter Island?
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: Adami on March 03, 2016, 01:30:43 PM
I agree that it's an exageration to call Di Caprio roles the same thing over and over, but to be fair... if I tell you that Di Caprio is in a movie playing a troubled man who has issues knowing reality from fantasy and can't let go of his dead wife, am I talking about Inception or Shutter Island?

If I tell you that there's a movie where Michael Keaton plays a weird, possibly deranged dude that uses theatrical means of ridding his place of residency of trouble makers, am I talking about Batman or Beetlejuice? Even though those roles aren't similar.

And even if they were, does it mean all of his other movies are the same?

Sure, you can find similarities between a role here, a role there, sure. But that doesn't have any barring on the statement that all post-titanic roles are the same.

What they have in common, generally, is that they are intense roles. However, I could also understand if Leo the celebrity has become so big as an image, that it's hard to see the character instead of the actor. That happens to me these days with people like Sam Jackson. I love Sam Jackson, and I think he's an absurdly underrated actor of incredible talent, but no matter who he's playing, no matter how different they are, I always see Sam Jackson.
Title: Re: 2016 Academy Awards Thread
Post by: hefdaddy42 on March 03, 2016, 02:27:07 PM
That happens to me with a lot of Jack Nicholson's roles, especially his roles from the 80's.