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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 07, 2016, 05:40:24 AM
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2015 Thread - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43353.0
Ken Griffey Jr and Mike Piazza, two of the greatest players of their generation will be going to Cooperstown! Full results can be found here: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605588-2016-bbwaa-hall-of-fame-election-results-announced
What is the state of your team(s) heading into 2016? How do you feel about the moves made thus far in the offseason. I'll bump this again when pitchers and catchers report. :metal
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I saw a tweet from Sports Illustrated with both of them on the cover. Very cool!
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Jim Edmonds only got 2.5% of the vote? How terrible. Just goes to show you that voters don't give a crap about defense, considering Edmonds is one of the best defensive players of any position of the last 20 years, while still being really good offensively.
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Jim Edmonds only got 2.5% of the vote? How terrible. Just goes to show you that voters don't give a crap about defense, considering Edmonds is one of the best defensive players of any position of the last 20 years, while still being really good offensively.
I agree. he's the opposite of Piazza. I still cannot believe Piazza got in. To me, him and Maguire are equals.
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As a lifelong Mets fan, it's so great to see Piazza get in. He gave us everything he had and provided many intense and exciting moments for us as fans. And who can forget the post 9/11 home run against the Braves.
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Yeah, I don't know about Piazza either. But I seriously want to have a conversation with the three guys that DIDN'T put Griffey, Jr. on their ballot, just to ask "why". Not suggesting they should have, but wanting to know how they got there.
I think of all the players that got metaphorically "robbed" in the steroids era, he was the one. His numbers are just insane, given that he has not even had the whiff of impropriety, yet he was playing against (and hitting against) a league at the height of it's disregard for PEDS.
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Two well deserved entrants. Much respect for those two
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Piazza's defense was under-rated; he couldn't throw well but the other aspects of his game were solid, and he's the best hitting catcher ever. Agreed Kev, Edmonds got robbed - far more worthy than several others on the ballot who received many more votes.
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If any of the 3 didn't vote for him just so it wasn't unanimous they shouldn't vote anymore
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Baseball Hall of Fame voters are the worst, anyway. THE worst.
I don't think Griffey Jr. was so awesome that he should have been the first to ever get 100%, but this idea that some voters won't vote for anyone the first time because they don't think anyone should get an unanimous vote is the dumbest thing ever. I like the idea I heard the other day: if you are someone who doesn't vote for someone who gets 95% or more of the votes, you should lose your voting privileges.
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Griffey is more deserving of a unanimous vote than any hitter in recent years.
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I disagree. Bonds is more deserving (I don't give a crap about steroids or any of that nonsense, since I figure that most ball players do something to get an edge).
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I don't care about steroids per se. A shitty baseball player isn't going to suddenly turn into Barry Bonds because he starts taking steroids. I believe the talent has to be there for the steroids to enhance. Garbage in, garbage out. That sort of thing.
Unfortunately though, his records are tarnished because of his "alleged" use. He was a good player before he started taking them, and I'd say bullshit to anyone who said he didn't, so the foundation was there to be improved upon. Using the straw man in your argument,("most ball players do something to get an edge"), is where I call bullshit though. That's not a good excuse to prove your case because it's completely non sequitur.
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That's fine. I will just leave that aside then and say that I don't care about steroids or PEDs.
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Just for the record, I don't hate Bonds. Watching him play during those dominant years was a once in a lifetime experience. I just think he was foolish for screwing up an amazing career. Look at the names of some players who will most likely not get into the Hall because of their usage of PEDs: Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, A-Rod, Sosa... That's what upsets me more.
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What about the guys being held back for pure third hand speculation? Piazza should've been a first rounder but you have these self righteous morons with the mindset of "we'll let him suffer for a few years because he may have done something" that are part of the BBWAA. I think every vote should be public and any person that abuses their vote should get their voting rights revoked permanently. No more only filling out two or three names, no more "well this guy has enough support so I'll vote this other person", no more "well this guy must've been on something even though I have no proof", none of those piss poor excuses.
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It's such an arduous task to find completely objective thinkers. There are always going to be voters who select a couple of favorites when those votes can go to actual deserving candidates. It would be great if the fans actually had a say in this. I don't mean having it set up like the All Star voting. That's just a sham most of the time. Instead, let fans apply for voting status. Make them have to pass an examination in order to be considered that displays their knowledge of the game and what constitutes a deserving member of the Hall of Fame. I know it's idealistic but the fans are what make all of this possible, not some guy in a suit pushing papers around. It would be more genuine I believe. Sure, you might get a couple of voters that'll select favorites, but fans of the game, true blue fans, know the game better than most of the current voters.
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Last three even numbered years the Giants have walked away with a ring. Shall we make it four?
:GiantsMetal:
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Last three even numbered years the Giants have walked away with a ring. Shall we make it four?
:GiantsMetal:
It's a Bi-nasty!
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Too bad it wasn't odd numbered years. That would make it an....Odd-yssey. :neverusethis:
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Chris Davis is staying in Baltimore. Hell to the yeah!
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Too many years, way too much $$$.
Wow...Angelos finally dipped into his MASN money.
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Too many years, way too much $$$.
Wow...Angelos finally dipped into his MASN money.
I agree. Not the best contract, but nice to see Angelos spend that money.
If only we can get some pitching.
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Maybe the Mets can sneak in and actually sign Cespedes now.
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Too many years, way too much $$$.
Wow...Angelos finally dipped into his MASN money.
That'll bite him in the ass eventually.
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Last three even numbered years the Giants have walked away with a ring. Shall we make it four?
:GiantsMetal:
Not if the cubbies have anything to say about that.
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Chaos....ain't that the truth!?!? Good ol Peter O won the bidding war....against himself! I wish they'd have gotten Cespedes and a pitcher.
Oh, and kudos to Griffey and Piazza. Sadly, now I gotta wait and hope the Veterans Committee votes Alan Trammell some time soon, as he is off the regular ballot. WS MVP, beat out Ripken and Yount more than a few times for Gold Gloves and Silver Slugger awards, 8th best SS per Bill James, and part of the duo that turned the most double plays in history. He deserves a spot (as do Morris, Mussina, and Schilling before their 15 years are up).
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Regarding the HOF vote, I'm confused how steroid suspicion keeps guys like Bonds and Bagwell out, but not Piazza, Frank Thomas, etc.? And for my money a guy like Mike Mussina is just as likely to have used them.
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Can you really say the alleged usage by people like Bonds and Clemens are on the same level as Piazza's alleged usage?
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Clemens was in court and Bonds was investigated by the government for their steroid connections. Piazza is in the "well he looks like a guy who mightve done something so to me he did" category. Huge difference.
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That is precisely my point. I don't know how any rational person can compare them.
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It's cherry picking. We have no idea how much any of those guys used, and saying, "Well, I think this guy probably used and this guy probably didn't," is totally arbitrary.
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We do have the ability to delineate some of the suspected users however, so it's not completely arbitrary.
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It is arbitrary. Using physical appearance (when most guys looked like they used them) or legal cases based on breadcrumb trails that are not in any way comprehensive is a narrow-minded way of looking at the problem. Most guys in baseball used steroids. Why wouldn't they? When you think about it, it'd be stupid for them not to, especially when they weren't illegal. It's intentionally naive to oneself to think that it's less likely that guys like Piazza or Bagwell used steroids compared to Bonds.
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It seems like you have a little straw man growing over there. Nobody here judged the usage based on the appearance of the player. The Mitchell Report had around 200 players listed and I can guarantee a good handful of them were probably no name players and not all of them were built like Bonds or Giambi. So what's your point? Just who are you calling naive? We're basing our opinions on the facts at hand and nothing else.
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I'm trying to be realistic. The Mitchell Report didn't come close to sampling everybody in baseball.
Also I don't think you know what the "straw man fallacy" means.
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I'm trying to be realistic. The Mitchell Report didn't come close to sampling everybody in baseball.
Also I don't think you know what the "straw man fallacy" means.
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Okay, well you're arguing a point that was never brought up by anyone here. Your comment that we were basing our opinions based on the players physical appearance was brought up by you - nobody else.
Secondly, what does your comment on the Mitchell Report have to do with what I previously said? I was using it to prove that physical appearance is irrelevant to steroid use which is actually agreeing with what you said and defending myself against something I never said.
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So Yulieski Gourriel defected and is looking to play in the majors. His ideal situation would put him with the Yankees but they don't really have a place for him as of yet. He's played in a few of the WBCs and is a top ranked player. I'd love to see him in pinstripes but I don't see it happening.
https://web.yesnetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160209&content_id=164029038&oid=36019
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Added a poll where you can vote for your favorite team.
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Tigers are going to fucking do it this year.
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I don't see it. I think we're going to have a National League winner this year, maybe the Cubs, Cards, or Dodgers.
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Cubs.
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I'm pulling for the Cubs this year - after the Yankees of course, but I don't see the Yankees doing anything. I've been reading through a lot of material and I definitely think the Cubs are one of the teams that could do it. They've definitely improved from last year. They just lost steam in that series against the Mets.
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I'm so excited for this year. Can't we just skip March and go straight to April? :lol
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I'm so excited for this year. Can't we just skip March and go straight to April? :lol
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Seriously! April is a big month this year. Besides baseball, I'm seeing DT at Radio City and Game of Thrones returns. I would love for April to be up next instead of March. I ordered a year subscription to the At Bat app so I can listen to any game plus watch the game of the day. That first spring training game is in a couple of days and every year I always listen regardless of who is playing.
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I think the Brewers have been eliminated already. :sadpanda:
that being said, they are in complete rebuild mode and have done a wonderful job of loading up the farm. give it 3 years and look out!
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Sometimes watching those rookies take form is exciting. I mean, just think about it. Just over 20 years ago Yankees fans were watching these rookies named Mariano Rivera, Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, and Andy Pettitte, so you never know what could happen. :)
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I think the Brewers have been eliminated already. :sadpanda:
that being said, they are in complete rebuild mode and have done a wonderful job of loading up the farm. give it 3 years and look out!
The Brewers got a great deal in trading Segura to get Hill, who can still be productive, and Chase Anderson, who should be a solid 4th or 5th starter. Segura may be out of MLB within a couple years at this rate.
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As a Braves fan, I have another bad year to look ahead of me, but my god is the future so bright in Atlanta!
Dat farm system!
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As a Braves fan, I have another bad year to look ahead of me, but my god is the future so bright in Atlanta!
Dat farm system!
It could be worse. At least you know your team has a couple of years. You could always be a Mets fan who actually thinks the team is going to win it this year. I feel bad for them, but they just aren't there yet.
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I think the Brewers have been eliminated already. :sadpanda:
that being said, they are in complete rebuild mode and have done a wonderful job of loading up the farm. give it 3 years and look out!
Reminds me of how the Cubs were when Theo took over. That's how you get a good team going. Stock up the farm and develop.
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It isn't MLB, but I didn't know a better place to put this. Lefty pitcher Blake Fox from Rice University utilizes a crafty move to try to pick off a guy at first. Unsuccessful, but damn slick.
https://www.baseballisfun.com/2016/03/01/rice-pitcher-pulls-off-magnificent-sneaky-pickoff-move/
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:lol
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I'm so excited for this year. Can't we just skip March and go straight to April? :lol
No way. I love ST games!
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I'm so excited for this year. Can't we just skip March and go straight to April? :lol
No way. I love ST games!
Are you sure you're not a blue hair dparrot? :lol
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I'm excited now. I'm watching a Yankees spring training game. Baseball is back! :metal
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As a small market team, my beloved Reds must continue to rebuild and reload and be fodder for other cities due to baseballs lack of a cap. My predicition....57-105. Gonna be a GREAT summer in the Queen City. :\
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As a small market team, my beloved Reds must continue to rebuild and reload and be fodder for other cities due to baseballs lack of a cap. My predicition....57-105. Gonna be a GREAT summer in the Queen City. :\
How does your farm look? If it looks like the Cubs did 4 years ago you may be ok.
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It's the mooost wonderful tiiiiime of the yeeeeear! Go Dodgers! :metal
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The Tigers radio announcers are the greatest. They have so much to say about everyone, including the non-roster folks. I can't imagine surviving a spring training game without them. Can't wait for the season to start.
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So Utley's suspension is dropped, unbelievable. No use plunking him either since he loves to lean into pitches. Not sure what but I just pray something horrible happens to him.
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Yeah, I don't get that. I didn't read the whole article about why it was overturned. What was the reason given?
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There were similar slides that did not get punished so therefore Utley shouldn't be. I mean I understand there are rough slides all year but Utley was very clearly headhunting and did not attempt to even touch the bag. Especially considering it was bad enough to MLB to slap the suspension on him in the first place (although that may be because it was a playoff game) I'm not sure what the heck happened here. 2 games really wasn't enough anyways but when you create a rule because of a play why in the world would you not just go through with the suspension even if only to set a precedent?
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That's true. They changed a couple of rules as far as I know. One is the sliding rule and the other is the neighborhood play.
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Not MLB, but I'm really liking the branding of this new minor league team:
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That's the former Savannah Sand Gnats team, which is the Mets A ball affiliate. Hopefully the new park is better than the old one which was apparently a brutal place to develop hitters.
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Ordering MLB TV Premium for the first time this season. Plan on watching a lot of baseball. :metal
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Dodgers lost to KC today, only scored one run. First game that was less than two runs and only third game where they have scored less than 5 runs.
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Re Piazza and Griffey: Not upset with this, honestly. I am sad that Jeff Bagwell isn't the second of The Killer B's to make it into the HOF. I think I'd be more upset about it if Craig Biggio hadn't made it into the Hall last year--he was the most deserving out of himself, Bagwell, and Lance Berkman to be completely honest.
And, given my post.... yes, I am a Houston Astros girl. Still hoping for a WS win one of these years. At least it seems like the Astros have a better shot at MAYBE winning The WS as opposed to the Texans making it to and winning the Super Bowl. :lol The 'stros HAVE already been in the big dance (was that REALLY 11 years ago?!) but they very sadly got swept by the White Sox.
I'm not sure who we've kept, gained or lost but... I'm hoping! Gotta pull for my 'stros!
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OPENING DAY!
I may have to mute Sunday Night Baseball though. ESPN is putrid and I expect a full dick sucking of the Royals for the entire broadcast.
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This is glorious!!!
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/twitter-reacts-john-oliver-yankees-protest-article-1.2587777
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Utley was very clearly headhunting and did not attempt to even touch the bag.
He came from the Phillies. He's dirty. 'Nuff said.
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Cubbies beat the Angels 9-0.
I know it's one game but everything was clicking.
Oh please let this be the year. I'm going to be in Wrigleyville when it happens.
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Dodgers: Biggest opening day shutout in history!!! 15-0! :metal :lol :hefdaddy
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Is there an app that can track both Major and Minor league scores? (and preferably NFL and NHL also) I have Yahoo Sports and I like it, but it doesn't have MiLB. I'd hate to have another app just for MiLB.
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Is there an app that can track both Major and Minor league scores? (and preferably NFL and NHL also) I have Yahoo Sports and I like it, but it doesn't have MiLB. I'd hate to have another app just for MiLB.
Yeah I'd like that too. I want to keep track of how prospects are Doing
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MiLB First Pitch is the official minor league app. Given that there are 160 different minor league teams, I don't think there is likely an app that would keep track of BOTH. I looked briefly through Google Play store and couldn't seem to find one that would track both.
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What a debut!
Story became the first player to hit two home runs in his major league debut on opening day, and both came off Greinke, one of the best pitchers in baseball.
https://espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=360404129
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I'm kinda glad the Red Sox opening day game was postponed. Now I can actually watch the game!
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This is glorious!!!
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/twitter-reacts-john-oliver-yankees-protest-article-1.2587777
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https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25542919/look-two-ninja-turtles-are-at-yankee-stadium-thanks-to-john-oliver
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MiLB First Pitch is the official minor league app. Given that there are 160 different minor league teams, I don't think there is likely an app that would keep track of BOTH. I looked briefly through Google Play store and couldn't seem to find one that would track both.
Yea, so I tried that, looks OK, but hasn't been updated since last June! No new schedules or teams. Games start in a couple of days. ::)
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Very interesting ending to the Jays/Rays game last night. Happy to see the Umps get it right.
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Trevor Story makes MLB history for a very good reason.
The Padres, also make history, but for a very bad reason.
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Dodgers set a new record: 31 scoreless innings to start a season. But boy did it go terribly wrong after that!
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Bryce Harper is 2nd in the majors in OPS and is the only one of the top 158 who hasn't struck out yet. Could he be even better this year?? Sky's the limit.
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Orioles improve to 7-0! I LIKE THIS SHIT! HELL OF A START!!!
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Braves are doing that same kind of start.... just in reverse. :lol
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Orioles improve to 7-0! I LIKE THIS SHIT! HELL OF A START!!!
Stacked line-up for sure.
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Welp, Mets finally decided to start scoring over the last few games.
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Jake Arrieta throws his 2nd career no-no tonight!!!
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Jake Arrieta throws his 2nd career no-no tonight!!!
Of all the pitchers for the Orioles to give up on!
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I still can't not think of him as the Orioles version of himself. Like I truly believe there is a serious regression right around the corner.
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I still can't not think of him as the Orioles version of himself. Like I truly believe there is a serious regression right around the corner.
You're just in denial.
Even two years ago, before he entered this amazing run he's been having, he's been on. I was at a game at Wrigley, he was pitching, he took a perfect game into the 7th. I believe the next game he took a no-no into the 8th. This was two years ago mind you. Not last year's Cy Young winning year. It's his mechanics improving and Bosio being a hell of a pitching coach.
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Look out, CC!
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Marlins Dee Gordon suspended for PEDs. Glad he's not on the Dodgers anymore.
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Look out, CC!
For a second, I thought that was Pablo Sandoval! Incidentally, for anyone who actually cared, the Kung-Fu Panda is out for the year and is "expected to make a full recovery for 2017". He will NEVER play another game for the Sox. THANK GOD!!!
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Why not?
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Why not?
Because they realize how out-of-shape the guy is and they no longer have a position for him. The kid who replaced him has been excellent both offensively and defensively. Unless this shoulder surgery is a complete sham and he's off to a rehab for people with food addictions, he's only gonna get bigger for the rest of this season. And, worrying about his belt exploding again will be the least of his worries. He could quite possibly be the worst signing in Sox history.
Thankfully, Hanley is having fun and contributing. Otherwise, there would still be two albatross on this team.
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You're acting like this is the last year of his contract. He still has 3 years after this.
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You're acting like this is the last year of his contract. He still has 3 years after this.
Believe me, as a Sox fan, I know all too well how many years are left. Unless he comes back as Pablo Sandoval and not the Fat Panda who at Pablo Sandoval, I think there's a good chance Dombrowski cuts ties with him or takes pennies on the million. He didn't sign him. And, if all he is is a back-up third baseman and a total waste of a roster spot who can't field or hit, why keep him?!?
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Thankfully, Hanley is having fun and contributing. Otherwise, there would still be two albatross on this team.
Offensively, Hanley needs to get going though. No matter how much he smiles or how good his first base is, if he doesn't start hitting, he will be an albatross.
Seriously, that was one of the worst off seasons I have ever seen the Red Sox have.
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Thankfully, Hanley is having fun and contributing. Otherwise, there would still be two albatross on this team.
Offensively, Hanley needs to get going though. No matter how much he smiles or how good his first base is, if he doesn't start hitting, he will be an albatross.
Seriously, that was one of the worst off seasons I have ever seen the Red Sox have.
Yep. Ben, John Henry, Lucchino and Werner really screwed the pooch that offseason.
You're right about Hanley's offense. The mere fact he's not really costing them games in the field playing first base is a miracle. He'll get it going. Hopefully, sooner than later. Getting a walk or two wouldn't kill the guy either!
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Cubbies absolutely dominating right now. I hope they aren't peaking too soon, But this is amazing.
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I still can't not think of him as the Orioles version of himself. Like I truly believe there is a serious regression right around the corner.
You're just in denial.
Even two years ago, before he entered this amazing run he's been having, he's been on. I was at a game at Wrigley, he was pitching, he took a perfect game into the 7th. I believe the next game he took a no-no into the 8th. This was two years ago mind you. Not last year's Cy Young winning year. It's his mechanics improving and Bosio being a hell of a pitching coach.
This is going to sound stupid but turns out I was thinking of Jeremy Guthrie the whole time, I just hadn't heard his name again until tonight.
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I still can't not think of him as the Orioles version of himself. Like I truly believe there is a serious regression right around the corner.
You're just in denial.
Even two years ago, before he entered this amazing run he's been having, he's been on. I was at a game at Wrigley, he was pitching, he took a perfect game into the 7th. I believe the next game he took a no-no into the 8th. This was two years ago mind you. Not last year's Cy Young winning year. It's his mechanics improving and Bosio being a hell of a pitching coach.
This is going to sound stupid but turns out I was thinking of Jeremy Guthrie the whole time, I just hadn't heard his name again until tonight.
Jake, Jeremy, easy mistake :lol
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It's currently in the 13th inning, and Bryce Harper has no official at bat in 7 plate appearances. 6 walks and 1 HBP. First time that's happened ever.
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Cubs are just stupid this season. Would love to see them win it all, and Theo would be a lock for the Hall after ending two 80+ year curses.
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So... any thoughts on that Toronto/Texas business?
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hilarious
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Bautista certainly got knocked the F out :rollin
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Bautista certainly got knocked the F out :rollin
I don't think that means what you think it means.
hilarious
Indeed... hilarious and entertaining. I found it pretty gutless if the Rangers really did wait until the 8th inning of the 7th and final game of the season series to "retaliate" for something that happened in 2015.
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Not sure how it can be taken as anything else. Jose's last at-bat last year (against Texas) was the infamous bat-flip. The Rangers choose the 8th inning of the final game of the year between the two to drop him? And the pitcher (Bush) that hit him wasn't even on the team last year when Bautista hit the HR - "Bush was serving out the end of a 39-month sentence in Florida for a hit-and-run, injuring a 72-year-old man, knocking him off his motorcycle. He was accused of DUI and leaving the scene, and pleaded no contest." Why didn't the pitcher who served up that HR last year (Dyson) plunk Bautista - he faced him twice here in Toronto. If Dyson doesn't want to plunk him, wtf is with Bush doing it. Gutless, dumbass, punk-bitch is what Bush is.
Sure, Bautista's slide into 2nd was hard and illegal, but Bush brought it on. And Odor got a nice cheap shot in on Bautista. https://fat.gfycat.com/NeedySilentEarthworm.webm
Beltre jumped in there pdq to protect everyone, because I'll bet when Bautista caught his wits, he'd have started throwing haymakers as well.
Odor deserves a few games for that shot, as does Bush. As does Gibbons for coming out on the field after he'd already been ejected.
I feel bad for Fielder. He knew he was getting plunked. I love how Chavez plunks him, then just walks off.
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Not sure how it can be taken as anything else. Jose's last at-bat last year (against Texas) was the infamous bat-flip. The Rangers choose the 8th inning of the final game of the year between the two to drop him? And the pitcher (Bush) that hit him wasn't even on the team last year when Bautista hit the HR - "Bush was serving out the end of a 39-month sentence in Florida for a hit-and-run, injuring a 72-year-old man, knocking him off his motorcycle. He was accused of DUI and leaving the scene, and pleaded no contest." Why didn't the pitcher who served up that HR last year (Dyson) plunk Bautista - he faced him twice here in Toronto. If Dyson doesn't want to plunk him, wtf is with Bush doing it. Gutless, dumbass, punk-bitch is what Bush is.
This entire paragraph sets up the argument that Bush should not have been put in this situation by his team/manager, and he should not be faulted, ESPECIALLY given his past and how much it's taken him to get back to this point...and then you go and blame it on him in the end. Huh?
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Really don't understand what you think I'm implying about Bush. The only "situation" his team/mananger put him in was to pitch through the 8th inning in a one-run game.
However...
A) if the team told Bush to drop Bautista, that's classless. If the team is going to retaliate, you do it right away, not at the last minute.
B) if Bush took it upon himself to do so, where does he come off doing so when he wasn't even on the team last year, and the team didn't see fit to do anything about it for 6 games and 8 innings. It's classless.
Either way, it's a classless move by the team and/or Bush.
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I love how Chavez plunks him, then just walks off.
Yes I agree. That was hilarious and totally cool.
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Really don't understand what you think I'm implying about Bush.
Nothing implied, you stated it explicitly:
Gutless, dumbass, punk-bitch is what Bush is.
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Really don't understand what you think I'm implying about Bush.
Nothing implied, you stated it explicitly:
Gutless, dumbass, punk-bitch is what Bush is.
Ok, fair point, and I see what you mean now. I see now that I kinda melded the two points together (that it was 'The Rangers' that did this, and Bush was just the fall-guy; then chastise Bush for doing what he did). I guess I didn't do a good job of stating my opinion that Bush did this on his own... he wasn't acting at the direction of anyone but himself, and when I say "The Rangers chose the 8th inning..." I meant Bush directly, then followed on with the Odor cheap shot.
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Baseball's unwritten rules are stupid and outdated.
Texas is gutless for beaning a hitter.
Bautista is a dick for intentionally trying to take out a player's legs.
No good guys in this scenario.
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Baseball's unwritten rules are stupid and outdated.
Texas is gutless for beaning a hitter.
Bautista is a dick for intentionally trying to take out a player's legs.
No good guys in this scenario.
:iagree: with all the above.
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Agreed, but one could argue Texas initiated the everything with plunking Joey Bats. They still sore from what happened October, AND they chose to do it in the final game of their regular season meeting?!
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I can't wait to see all the suspensions. It hurts both teams.
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I watched the recap of this on the At Bat app. I'll admit I found it very entertaining.
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One thing that didn't get pointed out was how Odor threw an exceptionally low sidearm, and downwards towards Bautista's head. The ball didn't even get 1/2 way to first, and was way off line. Is Odor that shitty a 2nd baseman that he can't even get it close? Hard to believe that wasn't intentional.
(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/odor.png?w=1000)
And these two replays leave little doubt - at least in my mind. https://youtu.be/p1Pw8N-ojjY?t=330
Just dumbass moves all around.
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I heard some talking heads say that earlier on TV, but throwing sidearm from that angle is not unusual, and it looks like it tailed down at the last second when he saw Bautista coming for him. In other words, Bautista's illegal slide did affect the throw, which is why it was so off line.
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I heard some talking heads say that earlier on TV, but throwing sidearm from that angle is not unusual, and it looks like it tailed down at the last second when he saw Bautista coming for him. In other words, Bautista's illegal slide did affect the throw, which is why it was so off line.
That's what I figured at first, and yeah... I get that infielders DO throw sidearm to make sure the runner stays down/out of the way. But... I've NEVER seen a throw THAT bad - 50 feet short, and 40 feet off-line?? Per the picture below, Odor still has his right/plant foot on the ground, and the ball has already left his hand. I've seen other fielders get completely upended and still make the double play. Seems pretty questionable.
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A: How was Odor's punch a "cheap shot?" He pushed the dude back, dude came back at him and stuck his hand in his face, Odor clocks him solidly in the jaw.
B: How was the play scored?
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I believe interference was called on the runner and a double play was awarded, ending the inning.
I literally laughed out loud at Bill Plaschke yesterday on ATH. Bomani Jones said that Bautista cocked his hand back to punch, but Odor basically beat him to it, and Plaschke said, "he wasn't really going to hit him." :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Right, because when someone cocks their fist and raises their arm to punch you, you should always think, "he's not really going to do it." And then five seconds later, you are on the ground next to your teeth.
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B.2: So you're not allowed to break up a double play like that? Is it something that people do all the time, but only get called if they're egregious about it?
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Nope, they changed the rule over the winter so players don't get hurt by morons like Bautista going out of their way to take out the legs of an infielder.
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C: I agree with our colleague to the North that Odor side-armed it pretty low to hit the runner, but if it's a free play then why the hell not? I've got no problem with it. Pretty smooth in my book.
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Nope, they changed the rule over the winter so players don't get hurt by morons like Bautista going out of their way to take out the legs of an infielder.
I'll concede it was a moron play, but Bautista isn't a moron himself. This whole 'unofficial rules' which makes his brutally illegal slide "ok" is f'n retarded. Odor even said after the fact he respects Bautista for it.
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Why was Odor suspended 8 games and Bautista only 1?
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Why was Odor suspended 8 games and Bautista only 1?
Because Odor was 8x the douchebag in the whole exchange? - throwing at his head, shoving him, cold-cocking him, and taking another swing. Bautista was a douche for that hard/illegal slide, but - according to the unofficial rules of bball - THAT was ok. :lol
I believe interference was called on the runner and a double play was awarded, ending the inning.
I literally laughed out loud at Bill Plaschke yesterday on ATH. Bomani Jones said that Bautista cocked his hand back to punch, but Odor basically beat him to it, and Plaschke said, "he wasn't really going to hit him." :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Right, because when someone cocks their fist and raises their arm to punch you, you should always think, "he's not really going to do it." And then five seconds later, you are on the ground next to your teeth.
While I agree with this in principle, the more I watch the replay, it's 100% clear Odor didn't 'beat him to it' - he took his shot before Bautista was even winding up to take his. Fist was on jaw before Jose even had his hand clenched
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Why was Odor suspended 8 games and Bautista only 1?
Because Odor was 8x the douchebag in the whole exchange? - throwing at his head, shoving him, cold-cocking him, and taking another swing. Bautista was a douche for that hard/illegal slide, but - according to the unofficial rules of bball - THAT was ok. :lol
I believe interference was called on the runner and a double play was awarded, ending the inning.
I literally laughed out loud at Bill Plaschke yesterday on ATH. Bomani Jones said that Bautista cocked his hand back to punch, but Odor basically beat him to it, and Plaschke said, "he wasn't really going to hit him." :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Right, because when someone cocks their fist and raises their arm to punch you, you should always think, "he's not really going to do it." And then five seconds later, you are on the ground next to your teeth.
While I agree with this in principle, the more I watch the replay, it's 100% clear Odor didn't 'beat him to it' - he took his shot before Bautista was even winding up to take his. Fist was on jaw before Jose even had his hand clenched
Odor DID beat him to it. Bautista is clearly forming a fist. Bautista shouldn't be less penalized because he LOST the fight.
I am totally on Bautista's side, trust me. The Bat Flip was awesome, and the Rangers were ass hats through this whole thing, but when two guys get in a fight, you don't over penalize the winner.
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Allow me to clarify... yes, Odor did beat him to it - but not because he saw that he was going to get punched, therefore he beat Bautista to the punch (literally). Exhibit A - hand on jaw; Bautista not even with a clenched fist.
(https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/rougned-odor-jose-bautista.jpg)
when two guys get in a fight, you don't over penalize the winner.
Maybe not, but the instigator gets the bigger penalty. Odor was completely the aggressor/instigator.
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Wasn't the takeout slide the instigation?
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I'm sure Bautista was only getting into his face to further a civil discussion on baseball etiquette and the unspoken rules.
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I'm sure Bautista was only getting into his face to further a civil discussion on baseball etiquette and the unspoken rules.
Uh...yeah. Maybe. :lol
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Wasn't the takeout slide the instigation?
Perhaps... but there are lots of takeout/illegal slides that don't result in Odor's reaction.
I'm sure Bautista was only getting into his face to further a civil discussion on baseball etiquette and the unspoken rules.
Perhaps... but there are lots of F2F shouting matches that don't result in Odor's reaction.
I don't mean to be a 'homer' on this, but Odor was quite clearly the aggressor in all of this, and reportedly has a history of being a massive shit-disturber - including 2 VERY dirty takeout slides last year.
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I'm not saying Odor shouldn't be suspended. But Bautista got off way too lightly. He looks like he was getting ready close a fist, and I just don't think 1 game was enough. They are both in a fight. 8 games vs 1 game does not compute.
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I'm not trying to say that Odor wasn't the aggressor or that Bautista necessarily had it coming. I just don't get calling it a cheap shot or a sucker punch. Bautista was in the face of somebody during a highly aggressive confrontation and he got clocked. He should have known that was a distinct possibility.
And I'm assuming that Bautista was only suspended for the slide and not for fighting, hence the 8-1. Personally, I'd probably ding him for fighting a little bit. Moreover, I can see treating a penalty that results in a melee a little more harshly than one that doesn't.
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And I'm assuming that Bautista was only suspended for the slide and not for fighting, hence the 8-1. Personally, I'd probably ding him for fighting a little bit. Moreover, I can see treating a penalty that results in a melee a little more harshly than one that doesn't.
That's all I'm saying. I don't have a dog in this fight, From here, getting punched in the chin actually *saved* Bautista a few games. And I think it's ridiculous.
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I'm not trying to say that Odor wasn't the aggressor or that Bautista necessarily had it coming. I just don't get calling it a cheap shot or a sucker punch. Bautista was in the face of somebody during a highly aggressive confrontation and he got clocked. He should have known that was a distinct possibility.
I agree. If you look at the replay, Bautista has his hands up ready to throw down. It's his own stupid fault for taking an unobstructed punch to the chin.
As a Canadian, I'm a Jays fan through and through, but I personally hate having Bautista on my team. Sure, he can hit the long ball and his defense is right up with the top RF's in the league, but I could do without his "swagger". He whines and cries at every little play that doesn't go his way. I hope the Yankees sign him for $30 mil per season after this year so he can become their problem.
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yeah... Jose probably warranted a couple of games. 1 was pretty light. I think he should've took it like a champ - the same way he took Odor's right cross, and just sat his ass down. It's not like the Jays needed him the last two game - man have the Rays cleaned their clock. Embarrassing.
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So... Cubbies. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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It looks like I'm gonna have to start voting for the All-Star Game. These Royals fans are insane. There's no reason on God's green Earth for Alcides Escobar to be within 5,000 votes of Xander Bogaerts. Xander is currently one of the top 2-3 players in the AL right now. And Salvador Perez leads all AL players in votes received.
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Mookie Betts!! 5 home runs in 7 at bats!!!
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It looks like I'm gonna have to start voting for the All-Star Game. These Royals fans are insane. There's no reason on God's green Earth for Alcides Escobar to be within 5,000 votes of Xander Bogaerts. Xander is currently one of the top 2-3 players in the AL right now. And Salvador Perez leads all AL players in votes received.
Exactly.
But all the Cubs being in front of the NL voting works for me :biggrin:
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It looks like I'm gonna have to start voting for the All-Star Game. These Royals fans are insane. There's no reason on God's green Earth for Alcides Escobar to be within 5,000 votes of Xander Bogaerts. Xander is currently one of the top 2-3 players in the AL right now. And Salvador Perez leads all AL players in votes received.
Exactly.
But all the Cubs being in front of the NL voting works for me :biggrin:
Considering they own the best record in baseball, they should. Time to give some of the Boston's Killer B's some All-Star love! Bogaerts and Betts (and Bradley) deserve it.
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Machado keeping the thread title relevant :tup
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Yordano Ventura is LOL
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Yordano Ventura is LOL
He's got a history of trying to maim people with 99mph gas. Suspension should be at least 2 starts.
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Just dropped in to say i don't count it as Ichiro passing Pete Roses hit record. Sure he's amassed more hits between two completely different leagues.....don't know why thier even making as big of deal out of it as they are.
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Just dropped in to say i don't count it as Ichiro passing Pete Roses hit record. Sure he's amassed more hits between two completely different leagues.....don't know why thier even making as big of deal out of it as they are.
Agreed. It's a nice accomplishment, but shouldn't be viewed as an official record.
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I am pretty tired of seeing this as well. I know Pete isn't the most likable guy (not that Ichiro is either) but c'mon media people. Quit presenting this as ICHIRO PASSES ROSE FOR MOST CAREER HITS
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Agreed. It's a nice accomplishment, but shouldn't be viewed as an official record.
He's coming up on 3,000 hits in the MLB....now that's something to write an article about but this whole deal about 'passing' Peter Rose is silly.
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Yeah, it's utter nonsense. Ichiro is very, very, very good. But he's no Pete Rose.
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Agreed. Nippon is a completely separate league. That'd be like counting minor league hits along with MLB hits.
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Dodgers promote AAA pitcher Nick Tepesch, promptly give the nickname Tepesch Mode! :lol
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Kershaw strikeouts to walks is 145 to 9?!
That is amazing!!
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Kershaw strikeouts to walks is 145 to 9?!
That is amazing!!
He's easily the best the pitcher of the decade. It's almost a guaranteed win when he's on the mound.
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And the sad thing is, some will always hold his postseason ERA against him, even though it is inflated because of the two teams the Cardinals knocked the crap out of him (and one of them was just as much on Mattingly, in Game 1 of 2014, for leaving him in too long in the 7th).
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And the sad thing is, some will always hold his postseason ERA against him, even though it is inflated because of the two teams the Cardinals knocked the crap out of him (and one of them was just as much on Mattingly, in Game 1 of 2014, for leaving him in too long in the 7th).
Thinly veiled "the Cardinals beat him twice in the playoffs, bahahaha" post
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And the sad thing is, some will always hold his postseason ERA against him, even though it is inflated because of the two teams the Cardinals knocked the crap out of him (and one of them was just as much on Mattingly, in Game 1 of 2014, for leaving him in too long in the 7th).
I don't see how it's inflated. It is what it is. It's the playoffs.....you perform or you don't. Throwing 6 scoreless innings means nothing if you get your butt handed to you in the 7th one. It didn't take a psychic to know that Kershaw was going to throw that curve-ball to Adams....EVERYONE knew it was coming.
Great athletes rise to the occasion when called upon....some may be called to do more but to excuse Kershaws Playoff ERA as Mattingly's 'fault' or the other laughable excuse of the Cardinals stealing signs...is just making excuses for a pitcher who was beat hard...twice...by a team that wasn't scared of him.
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It's just weird to pitch like that in the playoffs. He's so damn dominant during the season. Dominate does do what he does justice.
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Maybe he has a focus problem. One thing I noticed in the playoffs watching the Sox runs and others, is that EVERY pitch counts. He has obvious talent, but in the playoffs, it requires raising the level. If he doesn't, but the opposition does, it closes the gap between them.
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It's just weird to pitch like that in the playoffs. He's so damn dominant during the season. Dominate does do what he does justice.
And in the instances where the Cards beat him he DID dominate for the majority of the game, but....
EVERY pitch counts.
Like I said....it's easier said than done, hitting a curve ball or whatever but it's not entirely difficult to guess what he's gonna throw.....it's tough trying to hit it but knowing what he's gonna throw in certain counts is not tough to guess. The Cards put good at bats together on him when they needed to and beat him.
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By inflated, what I mean is, you are never going to have as many starts in the playoffs as the regular season, so all it takes is a couple bad performances to blow an ERA up. Like a relief pitcher, who could have eight outings of perfect pitching, but then it his 9th outing, give up five runs in one inning, and all of a sudden his ERA is 5.00. To that end, Kershaw got blown up the Cardinals twice, but has an ERA of 3.00 in his 11 other playoff outings combined. Small sample size. ;)
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By inflated, what I mean is, you are never going to have as many starts in the playoffs as the regular season, so all it takes is a couple bad performances to blow an ERA up. Like a relief pitcher, who could have eight outings of perfect pitching, but then it his 9th outing, give up five runs in one inning, and all of a sudden his ERA is 5.00. To that end, Kershaw got blown up the Cardinals twice, but has an ERA of 3.00 in his 11 other playoff outings combined. Small sample size. ;)
I know....I just wanted to keep bringing up that the Cards beat LA and Kershaw twice when they weren't 'supposed' to :lol
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I'm certainly not complaining since I'm a Jays fan, but what the hell is wrong with Baltimore right now? Wow, they're tanking hard this month ;D
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I'm certainly not complaining since I'm a Jays fan, but what the hell is wrong with Baltimore right now? Wow, they're tanking hard this month ;D
Nothing, meaning that they seriously overachieved in the first half of the season. They're just coming back down to earth. Unless something changes, I expect them to finish in 3rd, which may still be good enough to compete for the 2nd Wild Card.
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I'm certainly not complaining since I'm a Jays fan, but what the hell is wrong with Baltimore right now? Wow, they're tanking hard this month ;D
Nothing, meaning that they seriously overachieved in the first half of the season. They're just coming back down to earth. Unless something changes, I expect them to finish in 3rd, which may still be good enough to compete for the 2nd Wild Card.
You're absolutely right that 3rd in the east will likely get the 2nd WC. Easily the best division in baseball by a large margin.
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Jay Bruce to the Mets. We'll see if any other big moves are made.
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Not really. Except on Chciago radio they are just all taking about how the White Sox did nothing which coesn't helpp them at all and I don't mind them at all go cubbies.
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Good riddance A-Roid.
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Manny Machado has 3 HRs and 7 RBI through three innings :hefdaddy
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That's pretty good, right?
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Ichiro hit 3,000 today
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Funny, wasn't MLB just celebrating him as the all time hit king recently?
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Regardless of his antics, A-Rod is still one of the greatest ever. Hate him or like him, he's the kind of player that comes around once or twice in a generation. I don't really care about the people who are going to harp on all of his negatives. He fucked up big time and embarrassed the Yankees, lying to them and taking them for granted. However, he made amends in such a way that they want him as part of their future. His teammates will forgive him. Management will mostly forgive him. Most of the fans will forgive him. He is a flawed as the rest of us. I've met him and spoken in depth to those who know him personally. He is a generous and actually an exceedingly funny person to be around.
I expect people will have lots of condescending and offensive things to say about him and that's everyone's right. However, does it make you feel cool to be that self-righteous? ;)
I will definitely miss watching him play because when he was at the top of his game, there were very very few like him.
Funny, wasn't MLB just celebrating him as the all time hit king recently?
Yes. If you combine his Japanese and MLB hits, he has more than Rose.
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The sad thing for A-Rod is, he could have been one of the best ever without steroids, but he went down that path, and now we will never know how great he really was. The stain is forever on him, and nothing anyone says can change that.
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I don't disagree. However, I try to look at it differently. Hundreds of players tried using some form of PEDs throughout the steroid era. People can't say that the drugs made him a great player, because they don't work that way. The only thing they can hold a grudge against him for is cheating. If they do that, they need to hold the same grudge against the hundreds of others who took PEDs. They can't take away just how good he was.
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The sad thing for A-Rod is, he could have been one of the best ever without steroids, but he went down that path, and now we will never know how great he really was. The stain is forever on him, and nothing anyone says can change that.
yep. the dude was a specimen. He didn't need to cheat. He was already a freakin stud. It's a shame he chose to go down that road.
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I don't hold the PEDs against any of those guys. A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, etc. are all-time greats. Every era has had its own version of PEDs--they've just become more advanced. Also, people tend to gloss over the fact that they were also batting against pitchers who were juicing.
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This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever. It will be a sad day for all Yankee fans.
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This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever. It will be a sad day for all Yankee fans.
Real Yankee fans are probably doing a backflip in excitement.
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I don't hold the PEDs against any of those guys. A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, etc. are all-time greats. Every era has had its own version of PEDs--they've just become more advanced. Also, people tend to gloss over the fact that they were also batting against pitchers who were juicing.
A voice of reason amongst the torches and pitchforks!
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This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever. It will be a sad day for all Yankee fans.
Real Yankee fans are probably doing a backflip in excitement.
No they're not.
I don't hold the PEDs against any of those guys. A-Rod, Bonds, McGwire, etc. are all-time greats. Every era has had its own version of PEDs--they've just become more advanced. Also, people tend to gloss over the fact that they were also batting against pitchers who were juicing.
A voice of reason amongst the torches and pitchforks!
It's definitely a rational statement. People are exceedingly shortsighted in instances like that.
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This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever. It will be a sad day for all Yankee fans.
Real Yankee fans are probably doing a backflip in excitement.
No they're not.
A lot are. A quick google search shows that he was hated by many.
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This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever. It will be a sad day for all Yankee fans.
Real Yankee fans are probably doing a backflip in excitement.
No they're not.
A lot are. A quick google search shows that he was hated by many.
A quick Google search shows a lot, especially if you're looking for it. :P
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This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever
I don't know about this. I remember this guy named Jeter that played for the Yankees. He was pretty good ;)
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Don't normally post in this thread, but...
I wish we could get past the idea that steroids are all about getting hulked out. For many athletes, it's about faster recovery from injury. And for those who are on the bubble (especially in MLB and NFL), that can be the difference between being on the team and languishing in the minors/practice squad...and even for the stars, it can be the difference between playing and not playing. There are some who do it to get jacked, but I think it's far from the majority. I don't remember enough of Slappy's career to know if there may have been a recovery component to it, but I'm not so quick to assume it was for power.
And Jeter is soooo over-rated. He had very limited range, so he made plays that looked like circus catches on balls that would have been routine for other shortstops. ARod was a better shortstop, and I don't think it was very close. [flame suit on]
Regarding ARod leaving now, I think it may have something to do with protecting one of their prospects by making room for him on the roster. They're paying him his full contract, so it's not like its a move to save money.
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This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever
I don't know about this. I remember this guy named Jeter that played for the Yankees. He was pretty good ;)
Jeter was overrated, though. He's not even one of the five best Yankees ever.
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This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever
I don't know about this. I remember this guy named Jeter that played for the Yankees. He was pretty good ;)
Jeter was overrated, though. He's not even one of the five best Yankees ever.
Firstly, he's not overrated. He brought more to the team than just what he did on the field. Plus, he played in one of, if not, the toughest divisions in the league and played more games against them obviously.
Secondly, saying he's not one of the Top 5 Yankees ever isn't really an insult. Ruth, DiMaggio, Gehrig, Mantle, Berra (or even Whitey). It would sure suck to be number 6 in that list. :lol
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Jeter being overrated is a widely accepted notion. He was very fortunate to be drafted by the Yankees. But I will give any player who played through the "steroid era" clean props.
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Firstly, he's not overrated. He brought more to the team than just what he did on the field. Plus, he played in one of, if not, the toughest divisions in the league and played more games against them obviously.
He is overrated, yes. The fact that he ever won a single gold glove alone makes him overrated, considering he was never anything more than a mediocre fielder with limited range (the numbers back this up).
As for the toughest division in baseball, I have no idea if that is true or not, and I doubt it is, but so what?
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Looks like Tim Tebow is taking aim at a career in baseball. Hopefully, this works out for him.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17252762/former-nfl-qb-tim-tebow-pursue-career-professional-baseball
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Looks like Tim Tebow is taking aim at a career in baseball. Hopefully, this works out for him.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17252762/former-nfl-qb-tim-tebow-pursue-career-professional-baseball
Seems like an extreme long shot.
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Sounds like Prince Fielder is also set to retire.
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Firstly, he's not overrated. He brought more to the team than just what he did on the field. Plus, he played in one of, if not, the toughest divisions in the league and played more games against them obviously.
He is overrated, yes. The fact that he ever won a single gold glove alone makes him overrated, considering he was never anything more than a mediocre fielder with limited range (the numbers back this up).
As for the toughest division in baseball, I have no idea if that is true or not, and I doubt it is, but so what?
I don't think he was a medicore shortstop. His percentage was above the league average more often than not. If you look at past Gold Glove winners for his position, the numbers are not so dissimilar as you claim. Others have won the Gold Glove with worse numbers. He had Gold Glove wining numbers similar and better to people like Vizquel and A-Rod.
Jeter lost the MVP to Morneau in 2006, primarily because he wasn't a power hitter. Look at the numbers. Jeter got on base more, scored more runs, had more hits, and had a higher batting average, among other statistics. The only thing Morneau trumped Jeter on was with power hitting. There is more to the game than hitting home runs. My point is that Jeter was a run producer. A lot of people prefer power hitters. He wasn't a five-tool player (since he didn't hit for power primarily) so I'm sure there are some who hold that against him.
Playing in a tougher division makes a hell of a difference. You play the teams in your own division far more than the rest of the league. If you're facing a tougher teams more often, then naturally the odds work against you. I'm not saying this is an open and shut statistic but it does play a part.
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Jeter was a mediocre fielder. Go look at his range for most of his career; very poor. Yeah, he did a great job of taking care of the balls he got to, but his limited range allowed a lot of hits that better shortstops would have gobbled up and turned into outs.
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***Disclaimer***
I am not posting this as a Red Sox yahoo. I am merely posting this out of sheer amazement and unbelievability.
Last night during the Sox game, they mentioned that if Rick Porcello wins, it will be his 100th victory, and would make him only the 10nth player to achieve that before turning 28 in the last 40 years. I thought there must be some mistake.
Sure enough, watching MLB network this morning, they have the same stat, along with the list of who else has done it. It's quite a list:
Fernando Valenzuela
Roger Clemens
Bret Saberhagen
Dwight Gooden
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
CC Sabathia
Feliz Hernandez
Clayton Kershaw
:omg:
Sox fans scoffed when they re-upped him for 4 @ 82m a year early AND before he even pitched a game for them! After having a brutal first half of last year, Sox fans were begging to Fire Sale him over the off season.
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***Disclaimer***
I am not posting this as a Red Sox yahoo. I am merely posting this out of sheer amazement and unbelievability.
Last night during the Sox game, they mentioned that if Rick Porcello wins, it will be his 100th victory, and would make him only the 10nth player to achieve that before turning 28 in the last 40 years. I thought there must be some mistake.
Sure enough, watching MLB network this morning, they have the same stat, along with the list of who else has done it. It's quite a list:
Fernando Valenzuela
Roger Clemens
Bret Saberhagen
Dwight Gooden
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
CC Sabathia
Feliz Hernandez
Clayton Kershaw
:omg:
Sox fans scoffed when they re-upped him for 4 @ 82m a year early AND before he even pitched a game for them! After having a brutal first half of last year, Sox fans were begging to Fire Sale him over the off season.
I was watching the Yankees game and heard the same thing. Interesting. :biggrin:
Porcello is an excellent pitcher and not just because of that statistic. I like his stuff. I think they said he would be the 14th of all time, if I remember correctly. I forgot what the Yankees announcers said.
It would have been a closer game last night if the Yankees didn't get screwed on that third base call. His hand touched the bag just before he was tagged with the glove. I'm not saying it cost them the game. They made some other mistakes that did that. The reversed home run call didn't help them much though. The runs came in anyway.
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Cecil Fielder, and his son Prince....both with 319 career HRs.
My favorite pic of Prince (with Alan Trammell)
(https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/893506/Screen_Shot_2012-01-24_at_1.00.24_PM.png)
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It would have been a closer game last night if the Yankees didn't get screwed on that third base call. His hand touched the bag just before he was tagged with the glove.
I was shocked that Girardi didn't challenge the call on Headley at third.
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It would have been a closer game last night if the Yankees didn't get screwed on that third base call. His hand touched the bag just before he was tagged with the glove.
I was shocked that Girardi didn't challenge the call on Headley at third.
Me too. I kept rewatching it. It looks like he missed the first swipe and actually tagged him on the front of his shoulder. Maybe he grazed his jersey enough though and that's what the ump saw. Still. I won't blame one call for ruining the game. They had other opportunities that they screwed up. How many times did they hit a grounder to the left side of the field with a runner on second or third? Ugh.
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What were the Yanks announcers saying about the Headley/Porcello dust up? The only thing Jerry Remy guessed was that maybe Porcello thought Headley was peaking at the signs because he was pointing at his eyes. So far, there's been no evidence to that, so maybe it was something else.
Porcello's comment:
* "I don't have any comment on that. Baseball stuff, it happens down on the field, and I'm just going to let it stay there between me and Headley." Rick Porcello on his argument with Chase Headley, which resulted in the benches emptying.
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What were the Yanks announcers saying about the Headley/Porcello dust up? The only thing Jerry Remy guessed was that maybe Porcello thought Headley was peaking at the signs because he was pointing at his eyes. So far, there's been no evidence to that, so maybe it was something else.
Porcello's comment:
* "I don't have any comment on that. Baseball stuff, it happens down on the field, and I'm just going to let it stay there between me and Headley." Rick Porcello on his argument with Chase Headley, which resulted in the benches emptying.
It was hard to tell. All they showed was what looked like Headley reacting to something Porcello said. They didn't show anything before that, so I can't be sure what started it. When the argument started, the broadcast was in the middle of an instant replay so I couldn't tell what happened.
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Another theory, and probably closer to the truth.
From Sean Macadam (CSNNE):
As Headley was tagged out at third in a close play, he stood up and waited to see if his team was going to challenge the call. Porcello, who had come over to third to back up the play, was walking back to the mound and appeared to say something that produced a reaction from Headley.
A good guess may be that Porcello suggested, in less than polite terms, that Headley should get off third base and off the field.
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That's what it looked like from how YES showed it, but I didn't assume anything since they only showed Headley's reaction and not what spawned it. Now we know more about what happened...possibly.
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Snob, I was in tears laughing so hard when A-Rod came up as a pinch hitter. After chanting his name for two nights, he was booed unmercifully. I was literally crying.
Another weird Sox/Yanks game...
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That was fucking funny
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Snob, I was in tears laughing so hard when A-Rod came up as a pinch hitter. After chanting his name for two nights, he was booed unmercifully. I was literally crying.
Another weird Sox/Yanks game...
I think we all knew he would get booed if he came up. They still boo Ellsbury. :lol
I think they're going to do with him what they did the Clemens. They booed him when he appeared in his last game at Fenway, but as the game ended they gave him a standing ovation. The booing is part of the game. It's fun and most people don't really have ill will towards a person. At the end of the day, baseball fans will cheer when it's really well deserved, regardless of who the player is (in most cases). A-Rod is no Jeter, as far as class and respect, but he is still one of the greats.
It definitely was a weird game. That pitcher came in for Boston and...forgot where the strike zone was I guess. I was hoping they'd keep him in. :biggrin:
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Peace out cheater!
(https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/a0DAUqfPGZagS8ENRr_MGw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1O3c9ODAw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/93359b1607cfd56a8be1ece4ab623ab1)
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I hate the Post and I love the Post at the same time. Terrible rag of a paper but incredible front pages.
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I'm sensing a pattern...
Good riddance A-Roid.
This Friday we say goodbye to the greatest Yankee ever. It will be a sad day for all Yankee fans.
Real Yankee fans are probably doing a backflip in excitement.
Peace out cheater!
Are you not a fan of Alex Rodriguez?
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This game.
AZ @ BOS
Is almost comical.
It's what... 16-1? Red Sox?
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Mookie has 3 HRs and Greinke was shelled.
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So...it begins. Since Stanton is probably out for the year, the Marlins are interested in A-Rod?
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Where would he play, though? Marlins don't have a DH.
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I have no idea. I'm assuming third or shortstop? I'm just relaying what I read in a couple of articles.
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Mookie has 3 HRs and Greinke was shelled.
Mookie is a fantastic player, love that guy.
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I have no idea. I'm assuming third or shortstop? I'm just relaying what I read in a couple of articles.
I haven't read any articles but they would need an OF bat, not infield. I heard Carlos Gomez mentioned which makes more sense.
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Aroid cannot play 3rd and he sure as hell can't play short. Not anymore. DH or first base for him. So for the Marlins, first, which is actually a position of need. But no way does he come close to matching Stanton's offensive production.
The nightmare scenario is Aroid going (back) to Texas to be a DH/pinch hitter for a championship contending team that just lost Prince Fielder.
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I have no idea. I'm assuming third or shortstop? I'm just relaying what I read in a couple of articles.
I haven't read any articles but they would need an OF bat, not infield. I heard Carlos Gomez mentioned which makes more sense.
I know what they need, which is why it seemed weird that they would look at A-Rod, but I don't know if these articles were just started by some rumor or if they hold any truth to them.
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I'd love to see DOC's face when the Orioles pick him up for a:
DH/pinch hitter for a championship contending team
:lol
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I'd love to see DOC's face when the Orioles pick him up for a:
DH/pinch hitter for a championship contending team
:lol
After Palmeiro, I doubt they'll go for A-Rod. :biggrin:
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I'd love to see DOC's face when the Orioles pick him up for a:
DH/pinch hitter for a championship contending team
:lol
The face would be obscured from sight, like this...
(https://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg)
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A-Rod is definitely still a long ball threat, but aside from that he's practically been a guaranteed out this year. As a Jays fan i see him a lot each season, and I'm not the least bit worried about him possibly going to another AL contender.
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The Mets just signed Tim Tebow to a minor league contract lol.
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The Mets just signed Tim Tebow to a minor league contract lol.
Aren't you doing a "Tebow" in you avatar? :P
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That'd be funny if he did a Tebow after knocking one out of the park.
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It'd be funny if he knocked one out of the park.
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:biggrin:
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The Mets just signed Tim Tebow to a minor league contract lol.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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The Mets just signed Tim Tebow to a minor league contract lol.
Wow.
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That'd be funny if he did a Tebow after knocking one out of the park. a HBP.
FTFY :biggrin:
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The Mets just signed Tim Tebow to a minor league contract lol.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
They'll sell a few tickets, but Tebow will never sniff a MLB batter's box.
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The Mets just signed Tim Tebow to a minor league contract lol.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
They'll sell a few tickets, but Tebow will never sniff a MLB batter's box.
I didn't know MLB batters had boxes
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Gary Sanchez is an absolute BEAST!
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I like what I've seen so far. They have some really amazing young talent in that organization. It's something to look forward to. Maybe within the next year or two they can start their next dynasty.
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Gary Sanchez is an absolute BEAST!
What he's doing is just unreasonable. :lol
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Gary Sanchez is an absolute BEAST!
Thankfully, the rest of his team is not!
Go Sox!
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The Red Sox this year have had one of the best offenses I have ever seen, especially considering it is post-sillyball era and Fenway is not as much of a hitter's park as it used to be.
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Watching the Sox-O's game tonight...
@ DOC: WTF is going on down there? There is NOBODY at the game. What is this, Tampa?
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Tim, I was just thinking the same thing seeing all those empty seats.
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Yeah, they said attendance was 18k, but at least 8k are Sox fans!
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It's pretty embarrassing for sure. Could use the rust belt excuse that can apply to places like Cleveland and Pittsburgh, or fact that we've now got the Nats 45 minutes to the south on top of Philly 2 hours north. Not as many fans in the Baltimore area than in many of the larger cities/areas.
But yeah, disheartening to say the least.
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Yeah, they said attendance was 18k, but at least 8k are Sox fans!
I saw the Yankees at Camden a few years back and there was undoubtedly more Yankees fans there. It's a nice place to see a game though, plus it's much more affordable than Yankee Stadium.
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Yeah, they said attendance was 18k, but at least 8k are Sox fans!
I saw the Yankees at Camden a few years back and there was undoubtedly more Yankees fans there. It's a nice place to see a game though, plus it's much more affordable than Yankee Stadium.
That's where I used to go see Sox games back when they were selling out Fenway night after night. It was closer and cheaper. And, there always seem to be more Sox fans than O's fans. Pretty sad. Awesome. But, sad.
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We went to Camden so long ago, the Sox starter was RAMON Martinez! :lol
Actually, during that trip, the Orioles had an event at a park (not a baseball) in downtown DC. We went, and it was cool. The kids got autographs from Charles Johnson, Mike Timlin, and I got a pic with Mike Hargrove.
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Yeah, they said attendance was 18k, but at least 8k are Sox fans!
I saw the Yankees at Camden a few years back and there was undoubtedly more Yankees fans there. It's a nice place to see a game though, plus it's much more affordable than Yankee Stadium.
That's where I used to go see Sox games back when they were selling out Fenway night after night. It was closer and cheaper. And, there always seem to be more Sox fans than O's fans. Pretty sad. Awesome. But, sad.
There are quite a few American League teams that sell out when the Yankees are in town. I can imagine it being the same for the Red Sox.
We went to Camden so long ago, the Sox starter was RAMON Martinez! :lol
Actually, during that trip, the Orioles had an event at a park (not a baseball) in downtown DC. We went, and it was cool. The kids got autographs from Charles Johnson, Mike Timlin, and I got a pic with Mike Hargrove.
Nice. You made out pretty good. I first read that as Mike Tomlin. I was like, woah awesome. :lol
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It was the summer of 2000. It was Mike Hargrove's first year.
Not sure if you remember, but the previous year in the playoffs, he pitched around Nomar twice, only to have Troy O'Leary hit a grand slam AND a 3 run shot. When we went to Baltimore, Troy O'Leary had just come off the DL, so when I was talking to Hargrove, I said, "Better be careful, Troy O'Leary just came off the DL.". He goes, "you must be from Boston." "Yes". He chuckled and said "That's what got me fired."
He was very cool. I have to find that pic.
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It was the summer of 2000. It was Mike Hargrove's first year.
Not sure if you remember, but the previous year in the playoffs, he pitched around Nomar twice, only to have Troy O'Leary hit a grand slam AND a 3 run shot. When we went to Baltimore, Troy O'Leary had just come off the DL, so when I was talking to Hargrove, I said, "Better be careful, Troy O'Leary just came off the DL.". He goes, "you must be from Boston." "Yes". He chuckled and said "That's what got me fired."
He was very cool. I have to find that pic.
:lol Way to bring back bad memories.
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We went to Camden so long ago, the Sox starter was RAMON Martinez! :lol
Actually, during that trip, the Orioles had an event at a park (not a baseball) in downtown DC. We went, and it was cool. The kids got autographs from Charles Johnson, Mike Timlin, and I got a pic with Mike Hargrove.
Yep...no more events in DC. Like I said, the Orioles "territory" got more than cut in half when the Nats moved in.
There's just more Yankee, Red Sox, Cowboys, Lakers Patriots etc fans. Huge local fanbase and national appeal. Can't compete with that 9 times out of 10.
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I say the same things about the Steelers. I find their fans everywhere.
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Some franchises just beg people to jump on the bandwagon. I used to work with a gal who claimed to be this diehard Steelers fan, yet one day when a couple of us put her on the spot, she couldn't name three players on their team and thought Bill Cowher was their QB before Roethlisberger. :lol :lol I would normally never "sports shame" somebody like that, but it was clear that she was full of it and deserved the shaming she got.
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What's wrong with her? Chuck Noll was the quarterback before Roethlisberger. ;)
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Cubs. I hope the Pirates win tonight so they clinch home field through the playoffs.
Wish I could've caught a game. I signed up for the lottery to get playoff tickets but I doubt I get the chance. If I do though I'm so going I don't care how crappy the seat is.
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Unreal....
https://www.lonestarball.com/2016/9/25/13047510/jose-fernandez-killed-in-boating-accident-per-reports
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Very sad.
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Goddammit this is sad :(
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Ugh, it gets worse, he'd just posted on Instagram a few days ago that his girlfriend was pregnant, and how excited he was about starting a family.
:(
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Ugh, it gets worse, he'd just posted on Instagram a few days ago that his girlfriend was pregnant, and how excited he was about starting a family.
:(
That's the worst. Even more reason why he shouldn't have been out on the water that late at night. He certainly didn't deserve to die, but he should have used much better judgment.
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Fucking Wow. Wow.
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It seems like every year some young baseball player is killed near the end of the season or shortly after. St. Louis seems to be the team hit by that bugaboo the most.
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Ugh, it gets worse, he'd just posted on Instagram a few days ago that his girlfriend was pregnant, and how excited he was about starting a family.
:(
That's the worst. Even more reason why he shouldn't have been out on the water that late at night. He certainly didn't deserve to die, but he should have used much better judgment.
Yes once you hit a milestone like that in your life, you should completely cease all enjoyable leisure activities in your life. Come on, get out of here with your hindsight bias.
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It seems like every year some young baseball player is killed near the end of the season or shortly after. St. Louis seems to be the team hit by that bugaboo the most.
Who else outside of Tavarez?
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Ugh, it gets worse, he'd just posted on Instagram a few days ago that his girlfriend was pregnant, and how excited he was about starting a family.
:(
That's the worst. Even more reason why he shouldn't have been out on the water that late at night. He certainly didn't deserve to die, but he should have used much better judgment.
Yes once you hit a milestone like that in your life, you should completely cease all enjoyable leisure activities in your life. Come on, get out of here with your hindsight bias.
What bias? He made a terrible decision....it's unfortunate that it cost him his life (and the lives of two others).
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It seems like every year some young baseball player is killed near the end of the season or shortly after. St. Louis seems to be the team hit by that bugaboo the most.
Who else outside of Tavarez?
There was a player who got hit by a drunk driver who was helping a stranded motorist a few years ago. Darryl Kyle also comes to mind (he was a veteran player at that point). I feel like I'm missing another one as well. I didn't really follow baseball from the strike to 2012, so maybe a Cards fan can fill in the details.
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Ugh, it gets worse, he'd just posted on Instagram a few days ago that his girlfriend was pregnant, and how excited he was about starting a family.
:(
That's the worst. Even more reason why he shouldn't have been out on the water that late at night. He certainly didn't deserve to die, but he should have used much better judgment.
Yes once you hit a milestone like that in your life, you should completely cease all enjoyable leisure activities in your life. Come on, get out of here with your hindsight bias.
What bias? He made a terrible decision....it's unfortunate that it cost him his life (and the lives of two others).
What decision did he make? To go out fishing and having fun on a Saturday night? And wasn't he a passenger in the boat?? For fucks sake dude.
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Ugh, it gets worse, he'd just posted on Instagram a few days ago that his girlfriend was pregnant, and how excited he was about starting a family.
:(
That's the worst. Even more reason why he shouldn't have been out on the water that late at night. He certainly didn't deserve to die, but he should have used much better judgment.
Yes once you hit a milestone like that in your life, you should completely cease all enjoyable leisure activities in your life. Come on, get out of here with your hindsight bias.
What bias? He made a terrible decision....it's unfortunate that it cost him his life (and the lives of two others).
What decision did he make? To go out fishing and having fun on a Saturday night? And wasn't he a passenger in the boat?? For fucks sake dude.
(https://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160925111944-fernandez-boat-miami-dade-fire-exlarge-169.jpg)
Does that look like the result of a fishing trip? That was a high speed crash, and the police have the time of crash being after midnight. Horrible choice under normal circumstances... inexcusable for a father to be! And that's without knowing whether or not alcohol played a role.
I'm not saying he was a bad dude. Just that he made a bad choice. You have your opinion and I have mine. It is what it is. My thoughts go to his family and the family of the other two.
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After midnight?? THE HORROR
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After midnight?? THE HORROR
The results speak for themselves.
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It seems like every year some young baseball player is killed near the end of the season or shortly after. St. Louis seems to be the team hit by that bugaboo the most.
Who else outside of Tavarez?
There was a player who got hit by a drunk driver who was helping a stranded motorist a few years ago. Darryl Kyle also comes to mind (he was a veteran player at that point). I feel like I'm missing another one as well. I didn't really follow baseball from the strike to 2012, so maybe a Cards fan can fill in the details.
Nick Adenhart was a member of the Angels but I do remember Kyle.
Horrible choice under normal circumstances... inexcusable for a father to be! And that's without knowing whether or not alcohol played a role.
I know what you're getting at but I can't bring myself to think ill of the dead especially since I was mid-20s myself and have had a number of instances where my choices could have ended my life.
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After midnight?? THE HORROR
The results speak for themselves.
Congratulations for using a young man's death as a chance to preach "I told you so" to anyone you can reach out to.
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Jose was one of the only pitchers I could watch dominate my favorite team and still enjoy it.
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Terrible day for sports. Jose Fernandez, Arnold Palmer, and most of you won't know him, but Mylan Hicks, who was a member of Michigan State's recent Rose Bowl team, all passed away today. :(
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It seems like every year some young baseball player is killed near the end of the season or shortly after. St. Louis seems to be the team hit by that bugaboo the most.
Who else outside of Tavarez?
There was a player who got hit by a drunk driver who was helping a stranded motorist a few years ago. Darryl Kyle also comes to mind (he was a veteran player at that point). I feel like I'm missing another one as well. I didn't really follow baseball from the strike to 2012, so maybe a Cards fan can fill in the details.
Nick Adenhart was a member of the Angels but I do remember Kyle.
I remember Adenhart, and he was killed by a drunk driver, but I believe as a car passenger. I was thinking of Josh Hancock, and I got the details backwards - he was the drunk driver and he hit a person who stopped to help another disabled car: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Hancock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Hancock)
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After midnight?? THE HORROR
The results speak for themselves.
I think you're being exceedingly judgmental with your hindsight bias. How many times has he gone out for a midnight boat ride without complication? We don't know. You're only calling it a bad choice because of the result. This isn't a lesson to be learned. Accidents happen regardless of intention or choice.
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After midnight?? THE HORROR
The results speak for themselves.
I think you're being exceedingly judgmental with your hindsight bias. How many times has he gone out for a midnight boat ride without complication? We don't know. You're only calling it a bad choice because of the result. This isn't a lesson to be learned. Accidents happen regardless of intention or choice.
It is what it is. I have a 3 month old, and I would never put myself in harms way like that. He did, and unfortunately, paid the price.
I could die today on the highway between work and home. If it's meant to be, then so be it.... but I'm not going to willingly increase my odds of dying prematurely when I have other people depending on me.
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Fishing/boating after midnight is not a poor choice. If they were speeding (which has been confirmed I believe), and alcohol/drugs involved, then absolutely yes that was a very poor choice.
I have a family, but I play hockey late and am out sometimes well after midnight. That is not a poor choice. Drinking at the rink bar afterward and speeding home is a poor choice.
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Fishing/boating after midnight is not a poor choice. If they were speeding (which has been confirmed I believe), and alcohol/drugs involved, then absolutely yes that was a very poor choice.
I have a family, but I play hockey late and am out sometimes well after midnight. That is not a poor choice. Drinking at the rink bar afterward and speeding home is a poor choice.
Exactly. Taking boat rides at night is extremely common. As a matter of fact, it's far more enticing and relaxing being on a boat under the moon and stars.
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I don't really follow baseball because I'm a football guy, but sports is sports and I like sports. Truly a tragic loss at such a young age.
Regarding the choice to speedboat at night with low visibility, I don't think that is very common at all. Most people do that during the day and even then, it's still dangerous. Life is full of risk. I'm just sorry that such an excursion ended in tragedy. My thoughts go out to his family, friends and team.
RIP
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As mentioned before, boating is very different from SPEEDboating. Speed was one of the factors that cause this.....not boating in and of itself.
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Couple of necessary corrections to some of what has been said:
-Wasn't a speedboat
-Coast Guard said drugs/alcohol not a factor
-People boating at night is not terribly uncommon there
-An intense storm developed and started moving in right about the time that it's estimated they crashed, they were probably trying to get back to the marina in a hurry and got disoriented about how far out they were
-Everyone on that boat has their own personal agency, I doubt he forced anyone else on there
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You know, I'm trying really hard not to be a wiseass and mention something about giving your two cents even after the cat ate it. :lol :-\ You can punch me at the next DTF meetup.
You're right about everything you said though. This was just an accident and that's it. Nobody it to blame and it wasn't the result of poor judgement.
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You know, I'm trying really hard not to be a wiseass and mention something about giving your two cents even after the cat ate it. :lol :-\ You can punch me at the next DTF meetup.
Alternately, I can use it to buy you 25 cents worth of beer :biggrin:
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Don't ever say that Prog Snob isn't a cheap date.
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You know, I'm trying really hard not to be a wiseass and mention something about giving your two cents even after the cat ate it. :lol :-\ You can punch me at the next DTF meetup.
You're right about everything you said though. This was just an accident and that's it. Nobody it to blame and it wasn't the result of poor judgement.
Well we really don't know if it was a result of poor judgement. They could have been speeding recklessly and unnecessarily in poor conditions. That hasn't been determined yet if I'm not mistaken
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BUT WHY DOES IT MATTER
SERIOUSLY
One of the most appealing players in sports has died at 24 and you are trying to make yourself feel better by saying it was poor judg(e)ment?
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BUT WHY DOES IT MATTER
SERIOUSLY
One of the most appealing players in sports has died at 24 and you are trying to make yourself feel better by saying it was poor judg(e)ment?
Not sure if you are speaking directly to me but....
-I am not trying to make myself feel better.
-I am not saying it was, or wasn't, poor judgement.
-The fact he was so famous, you should expect discussions about the circumstances of his death, and not take it personal.
If you weren't speaking to me, please disregard, unless you find my post of some value
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From what I've read a storm was coming, they drifted out a little to much, were speeding to get back and it caused the accident. A sad line off events for this to happen.
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From what I've read a storm was coming, they drifted out a little to much, were speeding to get back and it caused the accident. A sad line off events for this to happen.
Truly tragic. Big story especially right here in my backyard.
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To those who suggested that the deaths were due to a pleasant night on the water under the stars, or the end of a fishing excursion.....
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/some-details-jose-fernandez-final-hours-revealed/
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So what are you implying? Staying out past midnight deserves death?
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So what are you implying? Staying out past midnight deserves death?
Not at all. Of course he they didn't deserve to die. Better judgment would have prevented this. Period.
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I really don't want to turn this tragedy into fuel for a debate but your logic isn't very...logical. Do you ever break the speed limit when you drive...ever? Saying 'no' is a lie, so I'll just assume yes. If you drive one mph over the speed limit and you die, does that mean you made poor judgement? If you died while driving under the speed limit, does it change the events surrounding the accident? This isn't about poor judgement. It's a tragedy where everything aligned at a specific moment. If drugs and alcohol are involved then YES it's poor judgement, but as of now we don't know that. The autopsy results haven't been revealed.
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I really don't want to turn this tragedy into fuel for a debate but your logic isn't very...logical. Do you ever break the speed limit when you drive...ever? Saying 'no' is a lie, so I'll just assume yes. If you drive one mph over the speed limit and you die, does that mean you made poor judgement? If you died while driving under the speed limit, does it change the events surrounding the accident? This isn't about poor judgement. It's a tragedy where everything aligned at a specific moment. If drugs and alcohol are involved then YES it's poor judgement, but as of now we don't know that. The autopsy results haven't been revealed.
I think exceeding the speed limit without driving recklessly is a far cry from the position these men put themselves in. Of course I'll admit I was wrong if it is proven that there was no alcohol in their system, but the time of night + them leaving a bar is pretty damning imo.
My original intent was to post once on this and be done with it. I'm more than willing to drop this, other than posting "I was wrong" if it turns out that I've got this completely wrong, provided everyone else does.
The playoffs are around the corner. Plenty of actual baseball to be discussed.
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I really don't want to turn this tragedy into fuel for a debate but your logic isn't very...logical. Do you ever break the speed limit when you drive...ever? Saying 'no' is a lie, so I'll just assume yes. If you drive one mph over the speed limit and you die, does that mean you made poor judgement? If you died while driving under the speed limit, does it change the events surrounding the accident? This isn't about poor judgement. It's a tragedy where everything aligned at a specific moment. If drugs and alcohol are involved then YES it's poor judgement, but as of now we don't know that. The autopsy results haven't been revealed.
I think exceeding the speed limit without driving recklessly is a far cry from the position these men put themselves in. Of course I'll admit I was wrong if it is proven that there was no alcohol in their system, but the time of night + them leaving a bar is pretty damning imo.
My original intent was to post once on this and be done with it. I'm more than willing to drop this, other than posting "I was wrong" if it turns out that I've got this completely wrong, provided everyone else does.
The playoffs are around the corner. Plenty of actual baseball to be discussed.
I really didn't want this to turn into a morality debate either. And if there was alcohol in his system then the whole argument is moot because then I will concede that he was stupid.
I haven't watched any games lately. After the Yankees series against Boston I needed to take a breather. :lol
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I'll be watching the Yankees tonight! ;D
Oh, and...
Gary Sanchez is an absolute BEAST!
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ROTY ?
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Normally I would argue against shorter playing time vs other candidates but I don't even care in Sanchez's case.
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So proud of the Orioles for winning the last two games in Toronto. Now take care of business in NY and it's the playoffs again!
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So proud of the Orioles for winning the last two games in Toronto.
Me too! ;D
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Damn Jays!! A month ago i thought they were a lock for the post season. Now I'm holding my breath that they can make it out of the weekend as the 2nd wild card. Aghhh.
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I love the last couple of weeks of the season.
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Damn Jays!! A month ago i thought they were a lock for the post season. Now I'm holding my breath that they can make it out of the weekend as the 2nd wild card. Aghhh.
I don't want any part of the Jays in the playoffs. Hoping the Sox take care of business this weekend. Though a Jays/ Rangers series would be fantastic.
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It's October 1st and the Mariners are still mathematically alive. Someone pinch me.
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Damn Jays!!
Wut
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What happens if the Giants lose and the Cards win tomorrow? Who goes to the WC game
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What happens if the Giants lose and the Cards win tomorrow? Who goes to the WC game
A 1 game playoff will happen to see who gets the wildcard....so they can play another 1 game playoff in the wildcard round.
Gotta give it to the MLB. They make the players play 162 games, and they don't hesitate to make them play extras for tie breakers.
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161 games, and it's down to Dodgers at Giants to see if we go to the playoffs. That's pretty much the essence of baseball in a nutshell for me.
:GiantsMetal:
(fuck LA)
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(fuck LA)
Totally!
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(fuck LA)
Totally!
I agree with this sentiment.
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161 games, and it's down to Dodgers at Giants to see if we go to the playoffs. That's pretty much the essence of baseball in a nutshell for me.
:GiantsMetal:
(fuck LA)
:cubsmetal:
Boo.
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Benefits of bosk rooting for the same teams I do. :biggrin:
:gobears: :GiantsMetal:
I think there's a Niner one too...
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bosk likes the Packers though. I hope there's a Packer one at least lol.
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Kevin Pillar is an excellent ballplayer.
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Playoffs baby!!!!
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Proud of the Orioles! Bring on the wild card game at Toronto
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Postseason predicts
Wild Card Round
5. Baltimore vs. 4. Toronto
5. San Francisco vs. 4. New York
Divisional Round
4. Toronto vs. 1. Texas
3. Boston vs. 2. Cleveland
5. San Francisco vs. 1. Chicago
3. Los Angeles vs. 2. Washington
ALCS
3. Boston vs. 1. Texas
NLCS
3. Los Angeles vs. 1. Chicago
2016 World Series
1. Chicago vs. 3. Boston
Of course I want to see the Orioles win it all, but I don't think that they make it out of Toronto. The silver lining will be that the baseball world gets another dose of Toronto vs. Texas.
If the Orioles are out, I want the Cubs to finally win another World Series. But I think that Boston is on an incredible run and are on the way to their 4th championship in the Golden Era/Ortiz Era.
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DOC, I like that POST!
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Postseason predicts
Wild Card Round
5. Baltimore vs. 4. Toronto
5. San Francisco vs. 4. New York
Divisional Round
4. Toronto vs. 1. Texas
3. Boston vs. 2. Cleveland
5. San Francisco vs. 1. Chicago
3. Los Angeles vs. 2. Washington
ALCS
3. Boston vs. 1. Texas
NLCS
3. Los Angeles vs. 1. Chicago
2016 World Series
1. Chicago vs. 3. Boston
Yeah, this is basically how I see it going down too. That AL wildcard tomorrow is a toss up though with how both teams have been playing lately. Definitely looking forward to the Stroman v. Tillman showdown on the mound!
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DOC, I like that POST!
Except Chicago is going to win the series.
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Get real, we all have known the entire year Chicago is losing in the NLCS
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DOC, I like that POST!
Except Chicago is going to win the series.
This
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Get real, we all have known the entire year Chicago is losing in the NLCS
Nope
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I think the Red Sox exhaled when they made the playoffs and the Big Papa tributes has caused the team to lose focus. I hope the playoffs change that.
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I think the Red Sox exhaled when they made the playoffs and the Big Papa tributes has caused the team to lose focus. I hope the playoffs change that.
I'll never understand why MLB teams do the whole retirement tour with gifts for some retirees. I get that Ortiz (just like Rivera and Jeter) is going to be first ballot HoF inductee, but why on earth does every team have to have a ceremony with gifts? Never made sense to me. Especially with opposite league teams. They barely even play each other, so why is a team like the Padres giving anything to a Boston player?!
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Well, this weekend it was a 3 game homestand and every day they had festivities. It was overboard.
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Well, this weekend it was a 3 game homestand and every day they had festivities. It was overboard.
At least it makes sense at home. Guy has to be a legend in Boston
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Yeah but all 3 games seemed a little too much. Well, onto the playoffs!
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I think the Red Sox exhaled when they made the playoffs and the Big Papa tributes has caused the team to lose focus. I hope the playoffs change that.
I'll never understand why MLB teams do the whole retirement tour with gifts for some retirees. I get that Ortiz (just like Rivera and Jeter) is going to be first ballot HoF inductee, but why on earth does every team have to have a ceremony with gifts? Never made sense to me. Especially with opposite league teams. They barely even play each other, so why is a team like the Padres giving anything to a Boston player?!
Respect
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Big Papa
;D
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Pumped for tonights game, to say the very least.
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I was actually about to post the same thing. I am definitely tuning in. Hoping the Orioles win. I don't fear them nearly as much as I do the Jays, should it come to that.
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Pumped for tonights game, to say the very least.
Likewise. The 6pm Mountain start time kinda sucks for me though. I need to make an appearance at the Edmonton Oilers pre-season NHL game tonight to show the wife our shiny new arena, so I'm going to miss a good chunk of the live game.
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Pumped for tonights game, to say the very least.
Likewise. The 6pm Mountain start time kinda sucks for me though. I need to make an appearance at the Edmonton Oilers pre-season NHL game tonight to show the wife our shiny new arena, so I'm going to miss a good chunk of the live game.
You NEED to? Are you connected?
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Pumped for tonights game, to say the very least.
Likewise. The 6pm Mountain start time kinda sucks for me though. I need to make an appearance at the Edmonton Oilers pre-season NHL game tonight to show the wife our shiny new arena, so I'm going to miss a good chunk of the live game.
You NEED to? Are you connected?
Haha no. Although my friend is their Director of Communications, I'm not connected directly. This is a purely social visit. I have season tickets that i share with a couple friends, but I have to take my wife to 1 game each year. I'd much rather not waste a regular season game on it.
I just didn't expect the Jays to be in the wildcard game when i made this plan worth the Mrs. I thought the Jays would have the AL East all wrapped up a week or two ago ;)
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Haha no. Although my friend is their Director of Communications, I'm not connected directly. This is a purely social visit. I have season tickets that i share with a couple friends, but I have to take my wife to 1 game each year. I'd much rather not waste a regular season game on it.
All she gets is one game a year, and it's a preseason to boot?
She's on another forum typing, "yeah, I give my husband sex once during the season, but it's only a hand job." ;D
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I think the Red Sox exhaled when they made the playoffs and the Big Papa tributes has caused the team to lose focus. I hope the playoffs change that.
I'll never understand why MLB teams do the whole retirement tour with gifts for some retirees. I get that Ortiz (just like Rivera and Jeter) is going to be first ballot HoF inductee, but why on earth does every team have to have a ceremony with gifts? Never made sense to me. Especially with opposite league teams. They barely even play each other, so why is a team like the Padres giving anything to a Boston player?!
I'm not even sure Ortiz should make the Hall of Fame at all, so the thought of him being a first ballot guy makes me laugh. He's a DH who once failed a PED test (and given how high and mighty voters are about the steroid era, how can they ignore that?).
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OK, I'll take the bait. Ortiz will get in, and may break down the PED barrier to getting in. I mean, what was it, 7 names leaked..out of NY? A Rod and two Boston guys? Coincidence? And it's a list that inexplicably didn't include Bonds??
I am not here to say that Ortiz did or didn't do PEDs. I actually believe he did, but everyone in that era did, as far as I am concerned. I mean, Bagwell, Piazza?? Anyone that thinks those guys didn't do anything is crazy.
Also, as the old fogey writers get replaced by a younger generation, these guys will start getting in.
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Personally, I don't care about PEDs, but I know the self-righteous writers do.
Taking that out of the picture, I cannot say a freaking DH is a first ballot Hall of Famer. I'd love to see a breakdown of how many pitches per game he was actually involved in. Anybody who plays the field is over 50% since they are on the field for every pitch and then their ABs and then for every pitch when they are on base. Ortiz might be in the game for 20-25 pitches out of 250+ per game.
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A list that is not fact? Do I think he did? Yes. Do I think he'll be the first DH in? Yes.
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The crowd in Toronto is absolutely electric.
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DH is still a position nonetheless. The bias against Edgar Martinez is crazy.
Like kickers in the NFL. If you're the best kicker of your generation, you should get in.
Maybe there hasn't been a DH other than Martinez that has justified electing one to the HOF, but Ortiz more than justifies it.
Oh, and the coolest thing about watching the Jays is seeing Geddy Lee behind home plate scoring the game!
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Heh, I am glad you pointed that out. I liked his little fist pump there on the inning-ending KO, and then he calmly got back to scoring the game. :lol :lol
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The Queen and I stopped the DVR to see Geddy. We're Rush geeks. Lol
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Join the club, buddy. :biggrin:
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Mike Portnoy was in the stadium when the Orioles beat the Yankees last Friday. Perhaps this is a good thing for the O's!
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:lol
I can throw it in your face that I talked to Geddy opening night of the Power Windows tour in Maine.
Come at me bro. :lol
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Rush geeks.
That's redundant.
I talked to Geddy opening night of the Power Windows tour in Maine.
Pretty sure that was when he called for security.
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Actually, that was when Neil started becoming scared of creepy fans.
Way to go. :P
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:lol
No, unfortunately we talked about him using the Steinberger bass.
Actually, that was when Neil started becoming scared of creepy fans.
Way to go. :P
I wouldn't know. He blew by me on his bicycle. :lol
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See now, that I believe. :lol
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:lol
That was in Springfield Mass the same tour.
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You're old. :biggrin:
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Yup. So old my first Red Sox game was the day after Yaz hit his 400th home run. I cried like a baby.
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I hope it's Cubs vs Jays just to see Geddy :lol
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I think the Red Sox exhaled when they made the playoffs and the Big Papa tributes has caused the team to lose focus. I hope the playoffs change that.
I hope not. :biggrin:
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I think the Red Sox exhaled when they made the playoffs and the Big Papa tributes has caused the team to lose focus. I hope the playoffs change that.
I hope not. :biggrin:
Enjoy your off-season sucka! :lol
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I think the Red Sox exhaled when they made the playoffs and the Big Papa tributes has caused the team to lose focus. I hope the playoffs change that.
I hope not. :biggrin:
Enjoy your off-season sucka! :lol
It's more about hoping the Cubs finally win. Not so much being anti-Boston. :lol
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Oh boy...someone threw a bottle on the field while Kim was making a catch.
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If the Sox can't make it I'm pulling for them as well.
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Great game so far.
Brach vs Bautista was ridiculous!
Edit: ANOTHER double play??
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Heart is racing over here!!
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I must admit, with JD on 2nd with no outs, I thought it was over for you.
Funny story. We saw the Jays a few years ago. They were announcing the lineups..Encarnacion, Bautista, and a couple more....and my 10 YO turns to me and says, "They don't sound Canadian, they sound Spanish.".
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11th. This ends now! If you can't score with 1 out and a runner on 3rd you have no business being in the post season
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Hell of a game....complete team loss for the O's. No way I put that all on Ubaldo.
Happy with the Orioles season in all. Hopefully they build on it.
The baseball Gods have willed another Texas/Toronto series. Enjoy.
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Sorry, Chris. Was rooting for you.
Texas/Toronto should be great.
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Hell of a game....complete team loss for the O's. No way I put that all on Ubaldo.
Happy with the Orioles season in all. Hopefully they build on it.
The baseball Gods have willed another Texas/Toronto series. Enjoy.
Showalter is being skinned alive for not using Britton. Seems he was going with the out-moded approach of saving him for a save.
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He should be. I expected Britton in the 8th.
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The game was still tied in the 8th, 9th and 10th though, so it wouldn't have made a difference anyway since both teams were playing shut out ball. It's not like Buck would've let Britton roll for 3 or 4 innings either. Non issue, in my opinion.
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The game was still tied in the 8th, 9th and 10th though, so it wouldn't have made a difference anyway since both teams were playing shut out ball. It's not like Buck would've let Britton roll for 3 or 4 innings either. Non issue, in my opinion.
This is faulty logic. Saying that he shouldn't have used Britton at the time because it wound up that the game went scoreless is hindsight bias and not a valid argument. Regardless, Britton did not get into the game in extras in favor of Noobaldo fucking Jiminez.
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The game was still tied in the 8th, 9th and 10th though, so it wouldn't have made a difference anyway since both teams were playing shut out ball. It's not like Buck would've let Britton roll for 3 or 4 innings either. Non issue, in my opinion.
This is faulty logic. Saying that he shouldn't have used Britton at the time because it wound up that the game went scoreless is hindsight bias and not a valid argument. Regardless, Britton did not get into the game in extras in favor of Noobaldo fucking Jiminez.
It's ALL hindsight bias. If Ubaldo doesn't lose the game, if the Orioles manage a hit, let alone a run after the 6th, if Bourne catches that ball near the right field line, this is all moot.
Britton pitching the 11th over Jimenez was the right call... no doubt it. Best bullpen pitcher in the league instead of a sporadic starter. But Buck's good calls during his time in Baltimore FAR outweigh his bad calls.
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From Jon Meoli of The Baltimore Sun"
For a postseason story that's yet to run, I asked Britton on Sept. 24 what would be his proverbial Oscar-reel -- if he wanted someone to see the highlights of his season ahead of the Cy Young voting, what would he pick?
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-for-zach-britton-proudest-moment-in-perfect-season-was-same-one-orioles-didn-t-use-him-in-20161004-story.html
Britton mentioned a few saves in Boston -- a five-out save on June 14, plus his Sept. 13 and Sept. 14 saves at Fenway Park -- but singled out another as his proudest.
“One of the outings I was probably the most proud of was in Toronto," Britton said. "I think I did two innings in that extra-inning game that we had there that day. We got beat twice there, and it kind of was a big win for us, taking one of those games. It wasn’t even a save, it was more just an outing where getting two innings against that team right there, and maybe three or four innings later, we ended up winning. It was one of the ones I was most proud of.”
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Ubaldo's last seven starts: 47 IP, 15 ER. He was the Orioles' most reliable starter over the final five weeks. He should never have been near the mound after the 6th inning. He is not a relief pitcher.
Britton should have come out for the 11th. The 12th if necessary. And then...Tommy Hunter and/or Bundy and/or....
At that point, if you lose, you gave it your best, and then you blame the anemic offense.
One of the top five managerial blunders I have seen in the postseason. As a Tiger fan, and Marylander who follows the O's, I like Buck. He has been a miracle worker for the franchise. I can't figure out how they made it to the postseason with the lack of starting pitching and zero bench, but that was a colossal brain fart.
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from Deadspin:
"Ugh — even that guy with the beer can got at least one throw in before he left the stadium.”
Zach Britton
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Another amazing game tonight. The Sox better not put me through one of these!
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So unlike Buck.... Collins marches out his stud closer in the 9th inning of a 0-0 ballgame. Closer gives up a 3 run home run.
Damned if you do... damned if you don't.
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This is a big question mark for the Sox now. Kimbrell has been horrific in non save situations. Night and day from actual save situations.
I was actually questioning why Britton didn't come in for the 8th with Bautista and Encarnacion up. Brach did a great job there. But he has to pitch Britton there in the 11th.
I was hoping Collins could've gotten one more inning out of Syndergaard. He was looking like he was tiring a bit, but still had enough to get through another one, especially when his spot in the batting order ended up not coming up in the bottom of the 7th.
Both starters last night were ridiculous.
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This is a big question mark for the Sox now. Kimbrell has been horrific in non save situations. Night and day from actual save situations.
I was actually questioning why Britton didn't come in for the 8th with Bautista and Encarnacion up. Brach did a great job there. But he has to pitch Britton there in the 11th.
I was hoping Collins could've gotten one more inning out of Syndergaard. He was looking like he was tiring a bit, but still had enough to get through another one, especially when his spot in the batting order ended up not coming up in the bottom of the 7th.
Both starters last night were ridiculous.
What's tiring for that guy? Like 95MPH instead of 105 lol?
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Toronto jumped all over Hamels. 7-0 now. Makes me wonder what Baltimore could have done..
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It would not surprise me in the least if the Jays won the World Series.
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Porcello WTF??
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Porcello WTF??
No kidding. Left too many balls up.
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Ron Darling is excellent. "He held the bag, Cal." :lol
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The Dodgers: Good enough to win the west, but not much else. Have lost the last two DS. I love Kershaw, but he has a bad playoff history. Rich Hill is good, he might get a win. Maeda has a season ERA of 3.4, so he could get lit. Then for game 4 there's Kershaw on short rest or a kid rookie. Even if the Nats are banged up, it's nothing to be confident about.
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Long balls all day for the Jays this afternoon. Texas is some serious trouble if Pillar and Carrera are beating them with homers
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And...let's add another long ball! 5 runs now on 4 homers. Awesome :corn
And yes, I have the privilege of watching on my computer at work ;D
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Nice work Price. I would much rather have Lester and Lackey back.
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Nice work Price. I would much rather have Lester and Lackey back.
The guy is so freaking lame. I mean how can anyone be surprised?
And why is Cal Ripken there?
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BAEZ.
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Price has to be the worst postseason pitcher ever (relative to expectations, salary and his spot in rotations, of course).
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He is weak where it counts, upstairs and the team seems tight. Sox are going down.
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It doesn't look good for them.
And how brilliant is MLB, to have a playoff game on the first weekend of the playoffs on MLB Network, a station many fans do not have? :lol :lol :lol :lol
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It is beyond stupid.
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^
It has been that way for years. The last time the Tigers played the A's in the postseason is when I discovered that I had the MLB Network!
A problem we encountered this year: after basically 'cutting the cord', we no longer get ESPN, TBS, FS1, the local baseball sports network, etc. I was going to get the MLB.TV online $9.99 package for the playoffs........except, Comcast/Xfinity is not tied in with MLB.
IF I had the package, today's Dodgers/Nats game is blacked out in the US. wtw?
MLB is really shooting itself for not providing telecasts to a large market who have dialed down/can't afford premium cable. And I don't understand why ESPN and TBS/TNT are no longer part of the basic packages. Well, yes I do $$$$$ But, man, I just dig the 50 music and two dozen religious channels I still get.
Will have to wait and see the Cubs and Jays in the WS I guess.....
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Samardzija needs to cut his hair. If he wants to look like a douchebag, at least be a good player.
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Price has to be the worst postseason pitcher ever (relative to expectations, salary and his spot in rotations, of course).
Mitch Williams
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It's a good thing I barely watch baseball anymore, because the media talking about the poor suffering Cubs fans and that moronic, imaginary curse is gonna get really annoying really fast.
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It's a bit overdone, for sure. The team looks like the real thing though.
Also, I thought John Smoltz has been excellent.
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It's a good thing I barely watch baseball anymore, because the media talking about the poor suffering Cubs fans and that moronic, imaginary curse is gonna get really annoying really fast.
That's why you should hope that the Cubs win so that everybody will shut up about it
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It's a good thing I barely watch baseball anymore, because the media talking about the poor suffering Cubs fans and that moronic, imaginary curse is gonna get really annoying really fast.
That's why you should hope that the Cubs win so that everybody will shut up about it
I'm a cubs fan since 1981. I can guarantee you that it will only get worse if they do finally win it. And yes, many of us know that it's annoying.
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I have a perspective that gets a few strange looks at work whenever I mention this (because most in STL want to see the Cubs lose in spectacular fashion again): while I will giggle and enjoy it when/if they lose, if they did win it all, it would be a cool sports story. And my niece is a Cubs fan (my brother married a Chicago girl, and my nephew ended up a Cards fan, my niece a Cubs fan), so it would be fun for her.
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I have a perspective that gets a few strange looks at work whenever I mention this (because most in STL want to see the Cubs lose in spectacular fashion again): while I will giggle and enjoy it when/if they lose, if they did win it all, it would be a cool sports story. And my niece is a Cubs fan (my brother married a Chicago girl, and my nephew ended up a Cards fan, my niece a Cubs fan), so it would be fun for her.
I can imagine that many of the Yankees fans probably felt the same way when Boston finally won a championship again a few years back.
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I have a perspective that gets a few strange looks at work whenever I mention this (because most in STL want to see the Cubs lose in spectacular fashion again): while I will giggle and enjoy it when/if they lose, if they did win it all, it would be a cool sports story. And my niece is a Cubs fan (my brother married a Chicago girl, and my nephew ended up a Cards fan, my niece a Cubs fan), so it would be fun for her.
I can imagine that many of the Yankees fans probably felt the same way when Boston finally won a championship again a few years back.
I can tell you that back in 2004 there wasn't a single Yankee fan that I knew who was even remotely happy about Boston winning. Of course it doesn't help that they beat the Yankees in the AL Championship after being down 3-0.
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Cleveland rocks! Bye bye Boston.
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Sox very uptight all series and the young kids in Cleveland were not fazed. Congratulations Indians fans. They were great.
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The Sox out more emphasis on that final weekend to the Papipalooza than they did on winning. They could've done two things. They could've secured home field for this round, and they could've knocked out the Jays. As usual, it's all about the "show".
And BTW...I love this man!
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/e89a620b99549ce25bf601dbf6b14c718e03e712/c=219-0-2782-1927&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2015/08/28/USATODAY/USATODAY/635763853870907043-USP-MLB-Cleveland-Indians-at-Boston-Red-Sox.jpg)
Go Indians!
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Yup. Love me some Tito.
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Yup. Love me some Tito.
:neverusethis:
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:biggrin:
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Jake Arrieta takes him deep for the 3 run blast. Wow
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Cleveland rocks! Bye bye Boston.
Hell yeah. :metal
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The Cubs pitchers completely outslugged the Sox' DH in this round. WTF??
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Eh, we're fucked now, can barely score 3 runs on a good day....
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F'n Dodgers. Never fail to disappoint me. :tdwn :facepalm:
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Yup. Love me some Tito.
Yes, I love a nice pair of...oh wait, nevermind.
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I hate Connor Gillespie.
And that Law pitcher they keep showing because he's annoying
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I hate Connor Gillespie.
:GiantsMetal:
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I hope fowler and Bryant get on a rizzo's first hit of the postseason is a 3 run homer so law will shut uo
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Well I was one off.
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Oh man, this fucking team will be the death of me..
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This even number crap needs to stop. Seriously. It's our turn. It's been over a century for us, it's been two years for the Giants.
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...........
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:GiantsMetal:
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(https://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Ill-be-waiting-e1445258477165.jpg)
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We shall see tonight.
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I'm just teasing. I'm hoping the Cubs win.
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Seriously, this could be their year, at least to make the World Series
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I know, but it would be just be like the Cubs to squander it.
I'm seriously rooting for the Dodgers and the other series 2, as much as I hate to, just because of Daniel Murphy. He was our crypt tonight last year when he was on the Mets, and I don't want to Face him again
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Watching Chicago natives Sarah Spain (on Around the Horn) and Michael Wilbon (on PTI) today acting like nervous basket cases because of a single playoff loss reminds me of how annoying the Cubs fan base is. It's one freaking game. Did you expect to win every single playoff game?? If they lose tonight, I can only imagine how terrified the look on the faces of fans will be at Game 5 in Chicago. Joe Maddon has done a great job of changing the culture with the players, but it's clear the fans will always think the sky is falling until they actually win the Series.
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Watching Chicago natives Sarah Spain (on Around the Horn) and Michael Wilbon (on PTI) today acting like nervous basket cases because of a single playoff loss reminds me of how annoying the Cubs fan base is. It's one freaking game. Did you expect to win every single playoff game?? If they lose tonight, I can only imagine how terrified the look on the faces of fans will be at Game 5 in Chicago. Joe Maddon has done a great job of changing the culture with the players, but it's clear the fans will always think the sky is falling until they actually win the Series.
To be fair, any long time Cubs fan has been conditioned to expect the worst. The team's post season opportunities have come few and far between in my lifetime. '84 and '03 would suck for any fanbase to have to deal with.
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Well the Dodgers barely survive for game 5. When the Nats tied it I expected it to be over. Their bullpen had as bad an inning as ours, thankfully.
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Romo = the most unclutch name in all of sports
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Romo = the most unclutch name in all of sports
:lol
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRPMHECUkAALApL.png)
What a comeback. That was amazing. They woke up at the last possible moment and it paid off. It's OUR year!!!!
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I need a headbanging Cubs thing like the Giants one. That was an amazing win. I didn't want to face cueto again and Moore was a beast. The bullpen blew this one (tbh the only one I'm glad we got a run against was that damn jumper Law who fs1 was somehow enampred with, but I digress). At the same time we got hot for some reason and it just all came together like a storybook. So pumped.
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Bye bye pumpkins! Muhahahahahaha
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Thank you Cubs for killing this "even year" bs!
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/tim-tebow-helps-save-fan-having-seizure-in-miracle/ar-BBxjegl?li=BBnba9I
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/tim-tebow-helps-save-fan-having-seizure-in-miracle/ar-BBxjegl?li=BBnba9I
Tim Tebow is the best of us, period.
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I need a headbanging Cubs thing like the Giants one. That was an amazing win.
Screw the Cubs. The ideal situation would be to see them make it to the Series and go up 3-0, only to collapse in epic fashion and lose.
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I need a headbanging Cubs thing like the Giants one. That was an amazing win.
Screw the Cubs. The ideal situation would be to see them make it to the Series and go up 3-0, only to collapse in epic fashion and lose.
:omg: >:(
Well when they win it all I want the headbanging emoticon.
I think I should've made a deal with you as well as lonestar
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I wouldn't have made that deal.
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I wouldn't have made that deal.
Stop pouting! There's always next year!
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I wouldn't have made that deal.
Stop pouting! There's always next year!
No. It will be an odd numbered year...
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I wouldn't have made that deal.
Stop pouting! There's always next year!
Not pouting. Just explaining why I will not grant the request that was made.
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You could do it if they lose, and make the code :108yearsandcounting:
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That would explain a lot haha
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Goddamn I love playoff baseball. And I am from SEATTLE!
And when did the Nationals add Edge to their roster?
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
First statement is true. Second statement is not. It's the Cubs' year.
The lottery chose me to be able to purchase tickets for and I'll CS, so I was able to get one to go to Saturday's game. And it's a pretty good seat, it's not a crappy seat. I'm very very pumped up to witness history.
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
The Dodgers getting past the Cubs??? :rollin They BARELY got past the Nats! If it wasn't for the Nats bullpen, the Dodgers wouldn't have made it.
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
The Dodgers getting past the Cubs??? :rollin They BARELY got past the Nats! If it wasn't for the Nats bullpen, the Dodgers wouldn't have made it.
All you do is post negatively about the Dodgers. How about cheering up and enjoying the ride? 26 teams would love to be where the Dodgers are right now.
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
The Dodgers getting past the Cubs??? :rollin They BARELY got past the Nats! If it wasn't for the Nats bullpen, the Dodgers wouldn't have made it.
Ah, but you forget, they are playing the Cubs
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
The Dodgers getting past the Cubs??? :rollin They BARELY got past the Nats! If it wasn't for the Nats bullpen, the Dodgers wouldn't have made it.
Ah, but you forget, they are playing the Cubs
You say that like you shouldn't be nervous. Cubs win 4-1
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What about games 2-7?
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
The Dodgers getting past the Cubs??? :rollin They BARELY got past the Nats! If it wasn't for the Nats bullpen, the Dodgers wouldn't have made it.
All you do is post negatively about the Dodgers. How about cheering up and enjoying the ride? 26 teams would love to be where the Dodgers are right now.
In contrast to your always positive words about the Yankees. ;)
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
The Dodgers getting past the Cubs??? :rollin They BARELY got past the Nats! If it wasn't for the Nats bullpen, the Dodgers wouldn't have made it.
But they did make it, and that's all that matters. Yes, the Cubs are the better team and should win, but anything can happen.
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What about games 2-7?
Ha ha. :yeahright
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lol Dusty Baker has lost 9 consecutive potential series-clinching games dating back to his time with the Cubs
Congrats to the Dodgers for winning and inevitably reaching the world series!!
The Dodgers getting past the Cubs??? :rollin They BARELY got past the Nats! If it wasn't for the Nats bullpen, the Dodgers wouldn't have made it.
All you do is post negatively about the Dodgers. How about cheering up and enjoying the ride? 26 teams would love to be where the Dodgers are right now.
Because they're the Dodgers! :D I should enjoy it, but I've seen them get this far and crash many times. And I would enjoy it more if they had more consistent pitching and hitting. If they get to the WS then I'll be a believer.
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I have a feeling splent is losing his fucking mind right about now....
EDIT: Confirmed, per FB.
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Adrian Gonzalez you F'n pussy! Gets thrown out at home because HE breaks back! towards second as the pitch is thrown, and doesn't even have the nads to slide! And he still calls out the third base coach. Really? Classless baby!
I LOVE Dave Roberts, but Gonzalez prevents me for rooting for the Dodgers in any way shape or form.
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I didn't see much of the game, but while I agree that Gonzales is pretty unlikable, I was fine with him not sliding there. He was out by a mile, so why risk injury by sliding into a collision when they have you dead to rights already?
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What bothered me is him saying "well I just look at the third base coach and do what he says."
But that's typical AG. Nothing is on him and whines about everything.
It's not that his stats were bad when he was here, but he was a sackless player. A good player, as his hit against Chapman was clutch. But he's not a winning player.
That Turner guy seems like a gamer though.
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I have a feeling splent is losing his fucking mind right about now....
EDIT: Confirmed, per FB.
Your statement is an understatement. Just to witness history in real life was worth it. It was fucking incredible.
I'll post more complete thoughts later when I'm on a computer.
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Look on my FB for pics and videos.
The atmosphere was incredible. Already a positive buzz was at Wrigley when I stepped in. I was there when the gates opened at 5. Dodgers were taking batting practice. I always do this when I go to a game because first hour everything except alcohol is 25% off lol.
Anyways, I figured that it would be a low scoring affair, but then we started lighting up Maeda. When Baez stole home I couldn't believe it. From my angle it looked like he slid between the catchers legs. I was in disbelief. It was incredible.
When Chapman came in during the 8th, I was skeptical because of what happened. He struck out the first two (including Puig which I loved because I can't stand Puig), but then he gave up the 2-RBI double. So much energy fizzled. He got out of it but the damage was done. 3-3 tie going into the bottom of the 8th.
When they walked Heyward to get to Baez, I was like what? And Baez got out. Then they walked Couglan to get to Chapman's spot. We were all wondering who was going to be in. Bases loaded. It was Miggy. I was like this is either going to be great or awful.
Strike. Strike. Then BOOM. Grand slam. I was jumping up and down hugging strangers next to me, high fiving people in front of me and behind me. It was unbelievable. Magical. It was our year. Then next at bat Fowler puts the nail in the coffin.
Top of 9th Rondon came in, and I was optimistic. He was our former closer, after all. He allowed one run, but we were like that's ok. Then the incredible double play to end it. What an unbelieveable game.
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For Blue Jays fans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOgc8CgWUU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOgc8CgWUU)
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GO DOYERS!!!! :metal :metal :metal
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For Blue Jays fans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOgc8CgWUU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOgc8CgWUU)
Fuck Bautista and his 'circumstances'. Guy does nothing but whines and complains. Sure, he can stroke it for 30-40 HR's each year, but I can't stand his attitude. It's just plain embarrassing at this point. Guy needs some professional class.
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:metal :metal
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For Blue Jays fans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOgc8CgWUU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOgc8CgWUU)
:lol
And a :lol for Tito as well!
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GO DOYERS!!!! :metal :metal :metal
Yea man! I'm starting to feel good about this.
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Where has Geddy Lee been? I haven't seen him at any of the Toronto games in this series.
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Where has Geddy Lee been? I haven't seen him at any of the Toronto games in this series.
Right now the Jays have bigger concerns than "where's Geddy at?" lol. TBS just said Cleveland is 68-1 this season when leading by 3 or more. Sweet Jesus this doesn't look very good
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I picked the Jays to win the whole thing. I thought the Sox (who I figured would roll the Indians) did themselves a huge disservice by not bouncing out the Jays on the last weekend of the season.
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Indians look scary good. Three outs away from the series.
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:censored
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Dear Red Sox ownership,
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Love,
Tito
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Cleveland is on a roll. Next year the browns go to the Super Bowl.
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Next year the browns go to the Super Bowl.
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That was very nice of Frank Robinson to present Andrew Miller the mvp of the ACL! :facepalm: :lol
It's Kingshmegland as an old man!
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Cubbies.
That is all.
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Jon Lester was amazing last night.
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17849635/charlie-sheen-wild-thing-throw-ceremonial-first-pitch-world-series
Don't let the URL deceive you. The article is about how this won't happen. If Jesus Christ himself is slated to throw out a first pitch, even he should be bumped in order for Vaughn to take the mound.
"We wear caps and sleeves at this level, son."
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In Chicago for this whole thing. Might go down to Wrigleyville tomorrow for the game. Definitely planning on going down if they win 3 games in the WS. I want to be in the middle of the chaos when the city explodes. Hopefully anyway...
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Really nervous about how these Cubs bats have awaken, even with our best pitchers in the next two games.
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17849635/charlie-sheen-wild-thing-throw-ceremonial-first-pitch-world-series
Don't let the URL deceive you. The article is about how this won't happen. If Jesus Christ himself is slated to throw out a first pitch, even he should be bumped in order for Vaughn to take the mound.
"We wear caps and sleeves at this level, son."
"Look at this fucking guy."
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Kershaw is really struggling tonight.
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In Chicago for this whole thing. Might go down to Wrigleyville tomorrow for the game. Definitely planning on going down if they win 3 games in the WS. I want to be in the middle of the chaos when the city explodes. Hopefully anyway...
If they do that meet up with me because I'm definitely there.
Kershaw is done after 5. 9 more outs. Let's go...
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Kershaw is really struggling tonight.
Yup. This will only add to his reputation of being a sub par playoff pitcher.
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That's too bad because he has been awesome this post season.
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FLY THE W!!!!!!
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Go Indians! :biggrin:
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FLY THE W!!!!!!
Speaking of W's, can I change my avatar back now?
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I've been pulling for the Dodgers but hats off to the Cubs. This should be a fun WS.
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I knew the Dodgers would blow it somehow. Four postseasons in a row, four disasters.
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I knew the Dodgers would blow it somehow. Four postseasons in a row, four disasters.
They didn't blow it. They lost to the heavy favorites. Good grief!
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I'm not rooting for one team over the other. Both fan bases have waited a long long time to win a World Series.
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https://twitter.com/BobNewhart/status/790025167971885056?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I'll be happy for Drew Carey as well if Cleveland wins....
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It'll be a good story no matter who wins, but the part about the Cubs fans will be nauseating if they win. This is the same fan base that ran Steve Bartman out of town because their team choked like dogs back in 2003, which was so freaking shameful. I'd be happy for the Cubs fans here like splent, as well as my niece who is a Cubs fan, but, by and large, Cubs fans are awful.
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I'm really glad they won. I watched most of the game. Hendricks was fucking amazing. That one hit...everything else was perfect. Then Chapman came into the game leaving scorched earth behind the ball which turned into trails of tears back the the Dodgers dugout.
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And here's why I won't be happy for Splent, rather actual Chicago sports fans.
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I'd be happy for the Cubs fans here like splent, as well as my niece who is a Cubs fan, but, by and large, Cubs fans are awful.
Pretty much this. I have a good buddy who is a die hard, graceful Cubs Fan. I will be happy for him (splent) and the likes who really deserve it. I just think there are a lot of bandwagon folk out there that are tainting the fan base a bit.
But, Cleveland isn't going to hand it to them....this series will most likely end up going all 7.
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Every team has awful fans.
Your response: "But Cubs fans are worse. (Insert anecdotes that refer to an insignificant percentage of Cubs fans to convince us how awful they are).
My response:
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FLY THE W!!!!!!
Speaking of W's, can I change my avatar back now?
Lol yes
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I'd be happy for the Cubs fans here like splent, as well as my niece who is a Cubs fan, but, by and large, Cubs fans are awful.
Pretty much this. I have a good buddy who is a die hard, graceful Cubs Fan. I will be happy for him (splent) and the likes who really deserve it. I just think there are a lot of bandwagon folk out there that are tainting the fan base a bit.
But, Cleveland isn't going to hand it to them....this series will most likely end up going all 7.
There are plenty of bandwagon folks, but the vast majority have watched for a good chunk of not all their lives. I started following them in the '03 season because my entire floor was watching the NLDS (in some ways a band wagoner, although I didn't really watch baseball before then, since growing up we had the brewers who weren't very good save for Yount and Molitor). I have followed since then so I've been through Bartman and the disappointments of the late '00s when admin tried to buy it and failed. First game at Wrigley was '10 two years before Theo. We lost to the Brewers like 15-4. Every game I've been to since then we've won. This city is ready. I plan on being in Wrigleyville when they win.
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What does the "W" stand for?
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All fanbases have a certain % of tossers (yes, even your "best fans in baseball")...
Anyway, my ideal outcome is a Cubs win in seven, with Chapman taking a line drive to the temple at some point. As a Sox fan, I can feel good about Theo/Lester/Lackey wining, or with Francona and the ex-Sox on the Cleveland roster...but the Cubs have suffered longer, and I'm sympathetic to wanting to put that "curse" bullshit to bed.
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What does the "W" stand for?
They fly a white flag with a blue W on it at Wrigley every time the Cubs win.
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As a Sox fan, I can feel good about Theo/Lester/Lackey wining, or with Francona and the ex-Sox on the Cleveland roster...
I love Jon Lester. So I am good with them winning. But I love Terry Francona a little more.
Should be a great series.
Oh, and fuck Adrian Gonzalez!
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What does the "W" stand for?
They fly a white flag with a blue W on it at Wrigley every time the Cubs win.
So "W" stands for win?
:neverusethis:
No, seriously? That's it?
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What does the "W" stand for?
They fly a white flag with a blue W on it at Wrigley every time the Cubs win.
So "W" stands for win?
:neverusethis:
No, seriously? That's it?
Yeah, that's it :lol
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It's part of an education outreach program in Chicago. They're trying to prove that not only is baseball fun but you can learn letters as well. Either that or they're thinking about changing the team name to the Wombats next year.
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On a serious note, it started in the 40s at Wrigley. I have noted it on a couple of occasions when visiting the city and seeing it hang from various homes and establishments. Especially noticeable after attending Wrigley with my wife and friends this year after a 'W'.
'Windy City Wombats' has a nice ring to it :D
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Indians have not won the World Series since the 40's. Cleveland has had only one major sports championships in decades. Chicago has had many.
Plus the Indians have the most hilarious politically incorrect hat in all of sports!
Screw the Cubs, let the curse be with you!
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I'm actually going for the Cleveland as well. I've never understood why so many people are die hard cubs fans just because they have sucked for so long. By this logic there should thousands of die-hard Browns fans across the country.
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I'll take the Cubs in 5..... but the Indians have shocked us all postseason long, so we shall see.
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I want the team with the C logo to win. :biggrin:
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Home field being tied to the All Star game is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The team with the best record should be hosting.
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Home field being tied to the All Star game is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The team with the best record should be hosting.
Absolutely! Home field decided by a meaningless exhibition game. Moronic to say the least.
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Tragically, it has been over 10 years since baseball fans in Chicago have celebrated a World Series championship.
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Tragically, it has been over 10 years since baseball fans in Chicago have celebrated a World Series championship.
That's not a fair stance to take. They're two different fanbases. Cubs fans don't root for the White Sox and vica versa. That would be like saying that Jets fans shouldn't be upset about their team not winning a Super Bowl in 48 years because they saw the Giants win one five years ago.
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Home field being tied to the All Star game is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The team with the best record should be hosting.
Yep.
The old "every other year" way was dumb, too, and likely cost the Cardinals a world title in 1987.
On the flip side, it did benefit us in 2011 (when the Cards had game 7 at home against Texas), so I guess that makes us even. :lol :lol
Regardless, even though the schedules are not the same, because of divisions and different leagues, it should be based on better record.
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If the Cubs lose the series, is the mood in Chicago
A) Hey, we made it to the World Series, this was a great season, and our team is built for success in the upcoming years, it's great to be a Cubs fan!
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B) This season was a total disappointment, we are still cursed, we will never win, being a Cubs fan is miserable!
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Considering the city celebrated winning the NLCS like every single person in the city won the lottery, I am leaning towards A. There will be disappointment, but the team is built to be a top contender for years.
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I can't relate to people who openly bawl when a team wins a game, so I have no idea how a Cubs series loss will play out with their fans.
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Yeah I don't think it'd be the end of the world. But as we've seen with the Nationals after the Strasburg debacle of 2012, second/third/etc chances don't always come around as often as you expect.
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Let's get there first.
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Tragically, it has been over 10 years since baseball fans in Chicago have celebrated a World Series championship.
That's not a fair stance to take. They're two different fanbases. Cubs fans don't root for the White Sox and vica versa. That would be like saying that Jets fans shouldn't be upset about their team not winning a Super Bowl in 48 years because they saw the Giants win one five years ago.
Very true. I'm a Mets fan who hates the Yankees so when they were winning like every year it did nothing for me but piss me off.
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If the Cubs lose the series, is the mood in Chicago
A) Hey, we made it to the World Series, this was a great season, and our team is built for success in the upcoming years, it's great to be a Cubs fan!
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B) This season was a total disappointment, we are still cursed, we will never win, being a Cubs fan is miserable!
I expect it will be a good mix of both.
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If the Cubs lose the series, is the mood in Chicago
A) Hey, we made it to the World Series, this was a great season, and our team is built for success in the upcoming years, it's great to be a Cubs fan!
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B) This season was a total disappointment, we are still cursed, we will never win, being a Cubs fan is miserable!
If they lose it's the biggest choke job ever. My largest issue with the Cubs this year is the fact that they've been crowned 2016 World Champs since spring training. Countless cover shots on countless magazines of how unstoppable they are......the ooohing and aaahing from every announcer with a microphone (I thought for sure Joe Buck and John Smoltz were going to be down in the dugout giving each Cub a 'handy' last night between innings....jeez, at least try to seem partial) It's non stop "Cubs are the greatest ever" all year and frankly if/when they don't win it's no ones fault but their own. On paper and in the regular season they by far have the best team in baseball. But you have to play the games and it's gut check time for their players....we'll see if they perform or not?
Yes, they have a good young core that is going to be competitive but anyone who knows sports knows how difficult it is to get to the championship game in any sport. It's tough. This could be their only shot for the next 10 years or they could be there 10 years straight....who knows.
If the Cubs can take tonight's game I think the series has 7 games written all over it. If not, it's looking like Cleveland in 6.
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Not sure how it could be a choke job? That's unfair. The media coverage may be nauseating, but that's not on them. It's not like they have a team of asshats either. They are a more than likeable team and if the Indians beat them, praise should be directed at the Indians, not backlash directed at the Cubs. Cleveland destroyed Boston and Toronto.
That said, people here have been complaining about the media, camera shots of Eddie Vedder, old ladies in the front row etc.. I can see that being a turn off to the Cubs experience, but it shouldn't be held against a good, young, and exciting team.
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Not sure how it could be a choke job? That's unfair. The media coverage may be nauseating, but that's not on them. It's not like they have a team of asshats either. They are a more than likeable team and if the Indians beat them, praise should be directed at the Indians, not backlash directed at the Cubs. Cleveland destroyed Boston and Toronto.
That said, people here have been complaining about the media, camera shots of Eddie Vedder, old ladies in the front row etc.. I can see that being a turn off to the Cubs experience, but it shouldn't be held against a good, young, and exciting team.
That's fair. Totally. The way it turns into a choke job is if the players who've performed all year for the Cubs don't perform. Sure there is the element of the Indians stymying them...but not producing when your paid to produce is choking IMO. One side will choke....one side will produce.
The only Cub(s) I really dislike are Baez and Maddon. The rest seem fine to me....oh and Heyward because he's a thief. Just stealing $$ from Chicago. Or, is it stealing if you give a con man $$ willingly. I've never been so happy to watch a player leave the Cards as I was With Heyward. VERY over rated.
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Well, Maddon is a bit much. Honestly I can't stand listening to him. But I love Baez. Reminds me a bit of Pedroia.
Also, we had David Ross here for a couple of years. Whenever he was interviewed by local media, he was easily the coolest athlete I have ever heard speak.
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Well, Maddon is a bit much. Honestly I can't stand listening to him. But I love Baez. Reminds me a bit of Pedroia.
Also, we had David Ross here for a couple of years. Whenever he was interviewed by local media, he was easily the coolest athlete I have ever heard speak.
Everything I've seen, heard, read about Ross paints him as a heck of a man. And I think my issue with Baez is he's THAT good and he knows it. :lol
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You know who else is THAT good? Francisco Lindor. Holy crap!
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I'm hoping Cubs take tonight. I don't anticipate winning against Kluber, but at least we made Miller sweat. I'm thinking we will do better tonight.
Regardless of the outcome, Cubs are set up for the next few years. The team is YOUNG and full of studs, and their farm is packed too.
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Yes but this is my last year in Chicago. They need to win this year! :lol
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I'm hoping Cubs take tonight. I don't anticipate winning against Kluber, but at least we made Miller sweat. I'm thinking we will do better tonight.
Regardless of the outcome, Cubs are set up for the next few years. The team is YOUNG and full of studs, and their farm is packed too.
I thought that their farm was pretty stripped at this point as all their previous farm studs are now on the major league roster. I could be wrong and should just go look it up on Baseball Prospectus or something, but that was my impression.
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I'm curious as to why some of you guys don't like Madden. The Cubs had Lou Piniella a few years ago, and I could understand dislike for him. But Joe seems to be a very respectable person.
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I'm curious as to why some of you guys don't like Madden. The Cubs had Lou Piniella a few years ago, and I could understand dislike for him. But Joe seems to be a very respectable person.
Joe's awesome. Don't see why anyone would legit dislike them.
The Cubs don't have to choke for the Indians to win this series.
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Just found out my great grandparents went to a game in Detroit and a game in Chicago the last time the Cubs were in the World Series (1945). Kind of neat.
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Joe's awesome. Don't see why anyone would legit dislike them.
Yep, he's a very likable guy. Awesome manager.
The Cubs don't have to choke for the Indians to win this series.
No, but it would be enjoyable to see the Cubs get a lead at some point and then blow it. Would make watching them lose a lot more fun. :biggrin:
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I feel like I'm watching a slow pitch softball game.
Heck, decades ago, my HS team would take our white and blue jerseys, so that we would not match our opponents. A couple of my softball teams did the same.
Oh, and Joe Buck and the gazillion camera switches between pitches suck. I think I've seen every fan, and I have only watched about five innings total.
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I'm hoping Cubs take tonight. I don't anticipate winning against Kluber, but at least we made Miller sweat. I'm thinking we will do better tonight.
Regardless of the outcome, Cubs are set up for the next few years. The team is YOUNG and full of studs, and their farm is packed too.
I thought that their farm was pretty stripped at this point as all their previous farm studs are now on the major league roster. I could be wrong and should just go look it up on Baseball Prospectus or something, but that was my impression.
It's not as loaded as it once was because of that and the trade for Chapman, but they still have a bunch of studs.
Joe's awesome. Don't see why anyone would legit dislike them.
Yep, he's a very likable guy. Awesome manager.
The Cubs don't have to choke for the Indians to win this series.
No, but it would be enjoyable to see the Cubs get a lead at some point and then blow it. Would make watching them lose a lot more fun. :biggrin:
Watching them win would be so much better though.
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And I hate Joe Buck so much. I hate him calling Packer games, I hate him calling the World Series.
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Does FOX even know that there are TWO teams playing in the World series?
What. The. Fuck?
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Does FOX even know that there are TWO teams playing in the World series?
What. The. Fuck?
It's the first WS game at Wrigley in 71 years. Of course they were going to play it up.
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Holy crap does Hirschbeck have a wide strike zone for Hendricks.
Edit: And Tomlin gets robbed on Bryant.
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And yet the stupid Indians still won. Stop with the rigged bs.
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Cleveland pitching be damn good. 5 shutouts this postseason so far! Damn.
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Fuck this shit. I'm far too drunk for the Cubs to lose. Next game is a must win, which sucks because Kubler is pitching. They really should have won this game. God fucking dammit!
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And yet the stupid Indians still won. Stop with the rigged bs.
I live in North Central Ohio about 70 miles south of Cleveland. Almost everyone that I know are Cleveland sports fans, and they're reminding me why I never liked the local teams. The term "poor winners" is definitely in play.
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And yet the stupid Indians still won. Stop with the rigged bs.
I live in North Central Ohio about 70 miles south of Cleveland. Almost everyone that I know are Cleveland sports fans, and they're reminding me why I never liked the local teams. The term "poor winners" is definitely in play.
I'm in Ohio too, and I feel the exact same way. I'm rooting for the Cubs purely because I like Depressed Cleveland a lot more than I like Smug Cleveland.
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Stop with the rigged bs.
I'm joking of course, but the Cubs got what seemed like every close pitch. I mean it was bad.
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I didn't see any of the game, but knowing that Cubs fans had to watch their team getting shut out in their first home game in the World Series in like 493 years did bring a smile to my face when I heard what the final score was. :biggrin:
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Stop with the rigged bs.
I'm joking of course, but the Cubs got what seemed like every close pitch. I mean it was bad.
Thr MLB network guys did a great job demonstrating the inconsistencies of the ump's strike zone. Intentional or not, the Cubs had an unfair advantage last night, and the Tribe still beat them.
Cleveland just keeps doing it. Hard not to root for them at this point, especially with all of this Chicago narrative being shoved down our throat.
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Stop with the rigged bs.
I'm joking of course, but the Cubs got what seemed like every close pitch. I mean it was bad.
Thr MLB network guys did a great job demonstrating the inconsistencies of the ump's strike zone. Intentional or not, the Cubs had an unfair advantage last night, and the Tribe still beat them.
Cleveland just keeps doing it. Hard not to root for them at this point, especially with all of this Chicago narrative being shoved down our throat.
This is what turns me off about the Chicago team. I'm not a typical Cards fan that 'hates' Chicago because I'm supposed to. I'm so against them right now because of the bolded....the Chicago championship team narrative has been in full force since spring training so by the time the playoffs started it was already nauseating. It's only increased ten fold now with FOX just going nuts with it. Cleveland isn't playing along with the notion that they're supposed to lose and it'll be interesting to see now how Chicago reacts to the pressure. Because, they are the team with the pressure now.
Anyway, I'm sure you all have seen the John Hamm pic of him wearing the version of the StL hat that the Cards wore in 1908 last night at the game....that was pretty good :tup
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So they found that Fernandez was legally drunk at the time of his accident AND he had cocaine in his system. RIP dude should have done better....
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Jobu must have the Cub's bats afraid. Hopefully Kubler has the KY ball going tonight.
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So they found that Fernandez was legally drunk at the time of his accident AND he had cocaine in his system. RIP dude should have done better....
Jeez....that's a friggin bummer to hear. I was really hoping that nothing 'bad' like this would be found out.....it's just like the Oscar Taveras death. Completely avaoidable had better decisions been made.
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Stop with the rigged bs.
I'm joking of course, but the Cubs got what seemed like every close pitch. I mean it was bad.
To be fair Kubler got every pitch the first game where Lester didn't, but the Indians were able to get some runs.
My theory about tonight's game is that whoever wins tonight wins the series. If the Cubs have it in them to score some runs off Kubler or even score after he is taken out and are able to win it, then they have the momentum to almost certainly win the next game at Wrigley, at which point they only need to split at Cleveland (although Kubler is pitching game 7). If the Indians win, no way can the Cubs win 3 in a row.
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Momentum doesn't really exist in baseball. A great starting pitcher can lay the smackdown on any momentum a team might think they have.
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True but they will have just won the game and have their ace up. I think tomorrow is very much their game to lose, but that means nothing if they don't win tonight because they aren't going to win both in Cleveland, I don't think.
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You never know. Anything can happen in a 7-game series.
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Looks like Cubs have this in hand. Should be an epic Game 7!
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I'm not a baseball fan at all, never have been, but I decided to watch some of the game tonight and I got sucked in! So many stats :lol
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Should be an epic Game 7!
Totally this. Will be Super Bowl-esque.
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Should be an epic Game 7!
Totally this. Will be Super Bowl-esque.
This might be the most important MLB game played in my lifetime. This is huge.
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Should have gotten the live chicken.
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Should be an epic Game 7!
Totally this. Will be Super Bowl-esque.
This might be the most important MLB game played in my lifetime. This is huge.
This.
The great thing is that both teams are stacked enough with young talent that this may happen again next year.
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So looking forward to it. I have two midterms tomorrow but I have midterms every quarter—Cubs haven't won in 108 years!
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I didn't plan this well, I'll be on a transatlantic flight for the whole game
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I hope that after tonight the Cubs' streak of futility is extended to 109 years
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I hope that after tonight the Cubs' streak of futility is extended to 109 years
I hope your streak of futile posts extends never :P
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I hope that after tonight the Cubs' streak of futility is extended to 109 years
I hope your streak of futile posts extends never :P
:lol
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I hope that after tonight the Cubs' streak of futility is extended to 109 years
I hope your streak of futile posts extends never :P
ice burn
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I'm rooting for the Indians because of Francona. The Sox smeared him so badly on his way out. I am definitely not rooting against the Cubs, and really have no problem with them winning either. Though the media has totally turned me off, no Boston fan can look at that and not be transported back to 2004.
I just didn't want the Indians winning on Lester's dime. Love him too!
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I think I just gave myself a hernia from laughing so hard.
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I hope that after tonight the Cubs' streak of futility is extended to 109 years
The whole streak thing is so overhyped. If you're fan in your 30s or younger, I can name plenty of other franchises in the four major sports that haven't won a championship in that time span. "Oh, but they didn't win a title for 70 years before I was born!" BFD.
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Here we go!
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Brace yourselves!!!
Joe Buck hyperbole, 6-12 needless different camera shots between pitches of both players and fans (praying). At least McCarver doesn't work the games anymore.
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Quick start for the Cubs.... Cleveland's Ace may be struggling with the short rest. We shall see.
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Quick start for the Cubs.... Cleveland's Ace may be struggling with the short rest. We shall see.
That first run is so huge. And I was concerned about Kluber.
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And that right there, is why instant replay is A Must.
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And that right there, is why instant replay is A Must.
I agree. And I don't care how long it takes, as long as its right.
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Kluber doesn't have it.
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:hat
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I wish I was in wrigleyville right now. I kno for sure if this lead holds we are going to the parade.
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And Hendricks gets the quick hook. If this backfires, it will go down in history like the Bartman and the goat.
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Can't believe Hendricks is out.
I'll be so happy for Jon Lester if the Cubs win. One of my all time favorite Boston athletes.
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Maddon was panicking and over-managing. Everyone but him knew it was the wrong move.
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Probably not the best move.
However we got one of those runs back. What a moment for Rossy.
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Because it'll be too late to post this later...
Champ!
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CHUMP!!
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Yup!
Exciting game.
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At least McCarver doesn't work the games anymore.
Holy god yes. Indifferent to Joe Buck, but have been liking John Smoltz on the call.
Jon Lester went to the same high school as me. So I got that going for me. Which is nice.
The Tribe need Roger Dorn to kick start a rally here.
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Jon Lester went to the same high school as me. So I got that going for me. Which is nice.
Chris, what's the age difference?
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I'm freaking out right now
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I'm freaking out right now
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Jon Lester went to the same high school as me. So I got that going for me. Which is nice.
Chris, what's the age difference?
Had to look up his age. 8 years.
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Tie game!!! Incredible at bats against Chapman.
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:omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:
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I'm pissed off now, Jobu. Look, I go to you. I stick up for you. You no help me now. I say "Fuck you Jobu", I do it myself.
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Who's Jobu?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsjoFZEwAyI
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Ahh Gotcha!
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Who's Jobu?
Disowned.
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And now it's raining. This is epic!
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Cubs fan suddenly know what Rays fans have felt like with Joe Madden overworking his bullpen.
That being said, this is easily the best World Series game in a long, long time
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Who's Jobu?
Disowned.
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Bottom of the 9th... we're either getting a walk off or extra innings...... or maybe both! :corn
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Bryant/Rizzo will end this game if the Indians don't.
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Apparently the Cubs locker room was being prepped for celebration before they blew their lead :facepalm:
https://www.12up.com/posts/4049754-video-cubs-decorate-locker-room-for-world-series-celebration-seconds-before-blowing-lead?a_aid=40030
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Fans of both teams right now:
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Maddon really screwed up yesterday when he brought Chapman in unnecessarily.
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This game will be decided in the top of the 10th. Chapman was hittable there in the 9th.
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Going to the 10th!
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Oh no! The tarp!
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Rain Delay?? WTF??
Game 8
Lackey vs Merritt!
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Man Mother Nature/God/ The Baseball Gods/Whoever is in no hurry to grant one of these long-suffering franchises a championship!
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Can this game get anymore epic??? Queue a fiery chariot pulled by winged tigers PLEASE
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Seems to me that a 30 minute delay breaking up the flow of the game would be far more disruptive than a wet field. But what do I know.
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The worst thing about this rain delay is having to listen to Joe Buck talk. At least we have Smoltz
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Do not get the hate for Joe Buck whatsoever.
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This game will be decided in the top of the 10th. Chapman was hittable there in the 9th.
Unless the Tribe have a miraculous bottom of the 10th... you're absolutely right.
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Which city will have the biggest bar tab tonight?
Congratulations Cubs!
Typing this with 2 outs in the bottom of the 10th. Jinx?
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Which city will have the biggest bar tab tonight?
Congratulations Cubs!
Typing this with 2 outs in the bottom of the 10th. Jinx?
Oooops....
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I can't believe im saying this! THE CHICAGO CUBS HAVE WON THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!
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Bryant to Rizzo. What better way to seal it?
I guess the 108th time's the charm. Congrats to Chicago sports fans for enduring your 11 year baseball championship drought! ;D
Hell of a season. Hell of a postseason. Hell of a world series. Hell of a game seven!
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Congrats to the true Cub fans on the forum....I know how you're feeling. Happy for you and the majority of the Cubs (minus thier Coach, Baez and that wife beater Chapman)
Make sure to pay Joe Buck in cash for all the hand jobs and BJs he couldn't stop giving the Cubs players also.
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Draymond Green has no chill :lol
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He would know.
Then again.. if he was suspended for a game in the Thunder series like he should have been, he probably never would have been part of the most disappointing team in NBA history. And if they don't win the championship with the addition of Durant. That's gonna "look" even worse.
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I'm in shock. People are going to talk about this game/series for years to come. I've been a fan of this team since I was a kid in the early 80's, and I started to think that I would never get to see this moment. I can barely type. This is amazing!
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Does Heyward still get a ring? Is there some minimal requirement of having to prove you 'earned' it? I think he's screwed if there is. Talk about a free ride.
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Congrats to Bjorn Strid (;)) and the Cubs on a great Series win and an amazing game seven. One for the ages for sure!
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Does Heyward still get a ring? Is there some minimal requirement of having to prove you 'earned' it? I think he's screwed if there is. Talk about a free ride.
He was awesome defensively. It's not all about what happens at the plate.
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If it wasn't Big Papi leaving the game a champion, then im glad it was Ross. What a retirement
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Check out this tweet from 2014.
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Wow! I'm absolutely delighted for the Cubs and their fans! 108 years is a hell of a long time to wait for this, so everyone close to the team should savour it and drink it in. Congratulations!
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I'm so happy the Cubs won! They were the best team in baseball this year. They had a better record than any other team. They saw more pitches than any team which led to them being walked more than any other team and only second to Boston in OBP. They were third in runs scored behind Boston and Colorado. This was their year and they deserved it.
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I don't want to go to work today. I'm so happy.
Does Heyward still get a ring? Is there some minimal requirement of having to prove you 'earned' it? I think he's screwed if there is. Talk about a free ride.
His bar stunk but his glove was golden.
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Congrats to the Cubs, it was fun as hell trolling you but you deserved it
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Hollywood couldn't have scripted a better ending. Fucking rain delay with a tie game in the 10th inning of game 7? The Gods were clearly REALLY reluctant to grant either of these teams a win.
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Hollywood couldn't have scripted a better ending. Fucking rain delay with a tie game in the 10th inning of game 7? The Gods were clearly REALLY reluctant to grant either of these teams a win.
I think the game being at Wrigley and ending in walkoff fashion would have been THE Hollywood ending. Alas.... homefield advantage was granted to Cleveland via that ridiculous All-Star Game mess.
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I don't want to go to work today. I'm so happy.
Does Heyward still get a ring? Is there some minimal requirement of having to prove you 'earned' it? I think he's screwed if there is. Talk about a free ride.
His bar stunk but his glove was golden.
Yeah, he was a difference maker defensively.
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Last night's game reminded me of Game 6 of the 2011 World Series, in that it was a deeply flawed game - both teams making uncharacteristic blunders - which made it great. I didn't stay up for the end - I went to sleep when the rain delay kicked in because a) it was just after 11 pm, b) sleep apnea makes me tired already, and c) I get up at 6 am for work - but, despite being a longtime Cardinals fans and Cubs mocker :P, I thought it was cool when I woke up this morning and saw that they had won. The fans who ruined Bartman's life can go to hell, but this team was great and earned it. Kudos to them.
Do not get the hate for Joe Buck whatsoever.
I don't either. He does a good, solid job. I think he used to be low key back in the day when announcing big moments, but he has gotten a lot better over the years.
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After watching this series and listening to Rizzo speak at the parade today, he is one of my absolute favorite players.
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After watching this series and listening to Rizzo speak at the parade today, he is one of my absolute favorite players.
He's tough to dislike. You have to really put some effort behind it. Believe me....I've tried. Just can't do it. Every time I thought I had him in the 'hate' column (rivalry speaking) I'd hear an interview or see/hear about something he did. Good dude...
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For all of y'all baseball watching weirdos, the townsfolk of Arlington just voted to blow a billion dollars on a new stadium for the Rangers. Since I don't live there I'm fine with it. I think indoor baseball fields are goofy as hell, but it's less ugly than Texas heat. I might actually go to 2 games a decade instead of my customary 1 now.
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For all of y'all baseball watching weirdos, the townsfolk of Arlington just voted to blow a billion dollars on a new stadium for the Rangers. Since I don't live there I'm fine with it. I think indoor baseball fields are goofy as hell, but it's less ugly than Texas heat. I might actually go to 2 games a decade instead of my customary 1 now.
Their stadium is only 22 years old. What a wonderful waste of tax dollars. At least it's not my money, I guess.
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For all of y'all baseball watching weirdos, the townsfolk of Arlington just voted to blow a billion dollars on a new stadium for the Rangers. Since I don't live there I'm fine with it. I think indoor baseball fields are goofy as hell, but it's less ugly than Texas heat. I might actually go to 2 games a decade instead of my customary 1 now.
Their stadium is only 22 years old. What a wonderful waste of tax dollars. At least it's not my money, I guess.
It's Arlington, man. They get off on bad bond deals. I'm actually pretty cool with them pulling this, because better Arlington than Dallas. And keep in mind that most of the money will come from screwing tourists with rental cars and hotels. Doesn't effect me none.
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Great. Planning on taking a TAC Family Tour of Texas in the next few years.
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Great. Planning on taking a TAC Family Tour of Texas in the next few years.
I'd do it before the stadium. The ballpark is actually pretty nice (weather withstanding) and baseball isn't meant to be played indoors.
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Man it sure does get hot down there though sitting in the sun.
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Wow. Braves sign an aging Dickey, and now it sounds like they're close to signing Roberto Colon. That's shaping up to be one hell of a geriatric pitching staff
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So they signed a Dickey and might sign a Colon?
Obviously the FRONT and the BACK of the rotation.
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So they signed a Dickey and might sign a Colon?
Obviously the FRONT and the BACK of the rotation.
:neverusethis:
I'm shaking my head at you right now
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https://www.thedistractionnetwork.com/images/media-mishaps-fail-pics-0058.jpg
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So they signed a Dickey and might sign a Colon?
Obviously the FRONT and the BACK of the rotation.
:neverusethis:
:rollin You just made my night.
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HOLY SH*T!!! The Red Sox just traded Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech and 2 other prospects to the White Sox for Chris Sale!
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HOLY SH*T!!! The Red Sox just traded Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech and 2 other prospects to the White Sox for Chris Sale!
That's huge!
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At least now we will have 2 mentally tough stating pictures.
*Waits for Tim to laugh and agree*
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Wow. Pretty nice return.
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At least now we will have 2 mentally tough stating pictures.
*Waits for Tim to laugh and agree*
:lol
Price is now the Game 3 starter. I'd even be fine if they traded him!
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I see Price Like Can Newton . So highly talented but so mentally soft upstairs.
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That's actually a great comparison.
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I saw someone comment they're "worried Sale is going to see the Sox St. Patrick's Day jersey and walk out, never to return". :laugh:
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lol... do teams come out and say stuff like this often?
Baltimore Orioles general manager Dan Duquette says the fans have spoken and they don't want free agent Jose Bautista.
"We told (Bautista's) agent that we are not interested because our fans don't like him," Duquette said on Sportsnet Radio 590 the Fan Wednesday morning. "Our fans don't like Jose Bautista, with good reason."
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18227261/baltimore-orioles-gm-dan-duquette-want-jose-bautista
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Dan Duquette?! That guy would tell you nothing in a ten minute interview. I'm shocked he was so candid.
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I saw someone comment they're "worried Sale is going to see the Sox St. Patrick's Day jersey and walk out, never to return". :laugh:
I don't get it. Does he not like the color green or something?
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I saw someone comment they're "worried Sale is going to see the Sox St. Patrick's Day jersey and walk out, never to return". :laugh:
I don't get it. Does he not like the color green or something?
He didn't like the Sox throwback jerseys this past season, so he went into the locker room and cut them all up so they couldn't wear them.
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lol... do teams come out and say stuff like this often?
Baltimore Orioles general manager Dan Duquette says the fans have spoken and they don't want free agent Jose Bautista.
"We told (Bautista's) agent that we are not interested because our fans don't like him," Duquette said on Sportsnet Radio 590 the Fan Wednesday morning. "Our fans don't like Jose Bautista, with good reason."
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18227261/baltimore-orioles-gm-dan-duquette-want-jose-bautista
Assuming he's telling the truth and not just creating some entertaining quotes he should be immediately fired. Any GM who is influenced by fans has no business being a GM.
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lol... do teams come out and say stuff like this often?
Baltimore Orioles general manager Dan Duquette says the fans have spoken and they don't want free agent Jose Bautista.
"We told (Bautista's) agent that we are not interested because our fans don't like him," Duquette said on Sportsnet Radio 590 the Fan Wednesday morning. "Our fans don't like Jose Bautista, with good reason."
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18227261/baltimore-orioles-gm-dan-duquette-want-jose-bautista
Assuming he's telling the truth and not just creating some entertaining quotes he should be immediately fired. Any GM who is influenced by fans has no business being a GM.
I mostly agree. I dislike never getting to enjoy a World Series win (or appearance) much more than I dislike Bautista.
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I saw someone comment they're "worried Sale is going to see the Sox St. Patrick's Day jersey and walk out, never to return". :laugh:
I don't get it. Does he not like the color green or something?
He didn't like the Sox throwback jerseys this past season, so he went into the locker room and cut them all up so they couldn't wear them.
Oh I didn't realize that was a St. Patrick's Day thing.
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I saw someone comment they're "worried Sale is going to see the Sox St. Patrick's Day jersey and walk out, never to return". :laugh:
I don't get it. Does he not like the color green or something?
He didn't like the Sox throwback jerseys this past season, so he went into the locker room and cut them all up so they couldn't wear them.
Oh I didn't realize that was a St. Patrick's Day thing.
Not a St. Patrick's day thing. I think that was just used as an example.
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Matt Holiday to the Yanks.
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Yes. I was reading about that earlier. I think it's a good move. He's a solid hitter and should bring some production to the DH spot. He has hit over 20 home runs per year for almost every year in his career. The same holds true for driving in 90+ runs a year. He's a career .303 hitter. Obviously his better numbers came when he was in Colorado, but he still put up good numbers in St. Louis.
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As a longtime Cardinals fan, Matt Holliday remains probably my least favorite Cardinal ever. Have never liked the guy at all.
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Any particular reason?
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https://youtu.be/6p_H0vnQ-6Q?t=71
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:lol
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As a longtime Cardinals fan, Matt Holliday remains probably my least favorite Cardinal ever. Have never liked the guy at all.
You have to be strictly talking 'baseball' wise because what he's done charity wise and with his personal time around StL is incredible. And he's done it all without drawing public attention to it.
I can understand if your talking straight baseball wise though....for as good as he is/was....I could never fully hop on board the Holliday train. It started with that horrific effort/non catch in LA in the playoffs years ago that hit him square in the balls and cost us that series.
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He was a solid member of the Cardinals for years. You can nitpick on him for a few things but he really pushed the team forward and carried a lot of weight.
One of his best plays though was getting injured for Games 6 and 7 of the 2011 WS though, with him in the lineup we would've lost :hat
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As a longtime Cardinals fan, Matt Holliday remains probably my least favorite Cardinal ever. Have never liked the guy at all.
You have to be strictly talking 'baseball' wise because what he's done charity wise and with his personal time around StL is incredible. And he's done it all without drawing public attention to it.
I can understand if your talking straight baseball wise though....for as good as he is/was....I could never fully hop on board the Holliday train. It started with that horrific effort/non catch in LA in the playoffs years ago that hit him square in the balls and cost us that series.
I am.
I will admit I never forgave him for that Dodgers game. Not just dropping the ball that would have ended the game, but looking at three strikes in the first inning with the bases loaded and none out (after he was brought in to protect Pujols, and does that in his first postseason AB with us).
One of his best plays though was getting injured for Games 6 and 7 of the 2011 WS though, with him in the lineup we would've lost :hat
Absolutely.
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Damn!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/royals-pitcher-yordano-ventura-killed-in-car-crash/ar-AAm7eab?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp