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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: TempusVox on December 29, 2015, 07:16:51 PM
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https://melodicrock.com/articles/news-feed/2015/12/30/guns-n-roses-reunited-lineup-tour-announced-january-6#.VoMtpY50bgg.facebook
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6828129/guns-n-roses-reunion-coachella-stadium-las-vegas
Let's see if they can actually pull this off.
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Not even interested sad to say.
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Man, I'm proud of you guys. Out of all the music forums, I've been in, this particular forum had the longest time it took to make a thread like this which is fine since it seems like a general consensus here regarding GNR is so-so.
Now then, meh. I don't care much about the reunion despite liking Slash's solo band with Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators and really love Duff McKagan as a person and what he's done since he went sober in 1994. They got some decent songs, but it's not like I'm going to pay $100+ to see them, especially at the risk that they start hours late due to whatever reasons Axl has, and I'm not quite sure if they will deliver a performance that can be worth that much.
On the one hand, with my "moving forward" mentality, I cannot see this working well in terms of everyone feeling satisfied and have a good working relationship. I feel like I've been spoiled by my perception regarding how Rush and Iron Maiden did on their current runs after they reformed with a definitive line-up where they were not only doing great tours with a new generation watching them, but they were releasing some killer new material in the process.
I can't see GNR do their reunion as well as Rush and Iron Maiden, imo. Sure, they can pretty sell-out any venue in the world that they want, but where do they go from there after a couple of months? Do they just go their own ways and go back to where they were before (Slash working with Myles and Conspirators and Duff working with his various projects, and Axl doing nothing?) To me, I feel like that's a little short-changing the fans there, imo.
On the other hand, with my "I'm on the side that gets Alter Bridge busy," mentality, screw the 1st mentality, Slash can go ahead and go to GNR if he wants, as oppose to the more stability lifestyle he's got working with Myles and the Conspirators, (and in the process monopolizing Myles' time, but that's a different topic for another day), if it gets Alter Bridge running on all wheels again without having Slash to get in the way of that.
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Not even interested sad to say.
I actually feel the same way. I have to admit, I was never a huge fan. Growing up when I did, and the type of music I was in to growing up, I always equated these guys as having a garage band sound. I get I run the risk of pissing a ton of people off with that statement, so let me clarify by saying, I do think they had talent, and their time was right, but I never got into them that much.
Now decades have passed, and you have to wonder, why? and who cares? But it does make you wonder if the egos can actually be put aside.
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Oh there are some great tunes but I never got into full albums byou them. Now, I just have no interest in them.
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I'd be interested in an album, but not this.
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The real question is, what percentage of middle-aged peeps at these concerts, hoping to revisit 1988, will be passed out drunk by the time Axl Rose actually shows up on stage?
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Im sure slash and Duff will be good. The issue is Axl who on the best of nights sounds alright at most and like a dying animal at others.
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The key words are "sort of".
Sadly, its not even the whole band and on top of that Axl is no where near what he used to be. I've watched his recent live performances online. No way am I forking over major bucks for that.
A reunion may have been sweet 10 years ago, but its too little too late.
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The real question is, what percentage of middle-aged peeps at these concerts, hoping to revisit 1988, will be passed out drunk by the time Axl Rose actually shows up on stage?
We have a winner, folks.
As to the OT... :yawn:
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Everywhere I've read says "Axl and Slash" implying the other members won't be present. Is Duff, at least, participating? Poor wording if that's the case.
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The way I've been seeing it. The line-up will be Axl, Slash, Duff, the guitarist from the current line-up Richard Fortus, Dizzy Reed, and their current drummer. Hence, the sort-of part.
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Even though it's only "sort of", I'm so there. This is what rock is all about! Not knowing if the show is going to start, let alone get to the end. :lol :metal
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I loved Appetite and still do and the UYI discs had really great material (and some fillers). I saw then on the Use Your Illusion tour and they were great, they started nearly on time, Axl was in really good form, the whole band rocked.
Maybe if they put out some new music I would give it a listen, but I don't think they are able to come anywhere near the above mentioned level nowadays, especially Axl, so I'm not interested.
And then there's this:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQz5GEvzTFL4k_o1ZYEbu2fdoPaFoEyrfFP3q_j6RbDGGTu8nvS)
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I'm not sure which I prefer
(https://static.nme.com/images/1992AxlRose02PA180412.jpg)
(https://www.janetcharltonshollywood.com/images/2013/04/94499PCN_Axl081cut.jpg)
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Love jamming some old school GNR every once in a blue moon and they got me into the rock scene to begin with but I could not possibly care less about this. Kind of sad to say that but I'm also more than indifferent so that sadness has kind of already gone away. I am however interested in seeing how this turns out if it does at all.
I would laugh and kind of love (and expect still) for a massive outcry of fans after the concert to have pages of social media posts consisting of different versions saying "WE WAITING FOR HOURS AND HE NEVER SHOWED".
... :lol
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I'll take the Slash ft. Myles Kennedy & Conspirators project over GNR thank you very much.
:corn
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Without Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, Dizzy Reed, Matt Sorum and/or Steven Adler i'm not the slightest interested.
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Lets see how long this lasts.
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I was waiting to see how long it'd be before this thread appeared. It's really impressive how DTF keeps up with all this other stuff, a lot of other band forums can't say the same thing.
I for one, am really excited about this, albeit more so for my 14 year old self than anything else. I was part of the generation that picked up guitar because of Slash, but sadly was too late to the game to ever see the original line-up, so this is honestly one of the most exciting announcements in recent times for me, and perhaps the biggest reunion in rock since Maiden. That said, I'm still more excited for that new Haken album than anything else, though that says more about my love of Haken than anything else - I digress :lol
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I loved Appetite and still do and the UYI discs had really great material (and some fillers). I saw then on the Use Your Illusion tour and they were great, they started nearly on time, Axl was in really good form, the whole band rocked.
Maybe if they put out some new music I would give it a listen, but I don't think they are able to come anywhere near the above mentioned level nowadays, especially Axl, so I'm not interested.
Nailed it.
Lets see how long this lasts.
^This.
I'd shell out maybe $40... depending on the opening act, and size of the venue. I'm sure as shit not going to (or shelling out the price for) a stadium show, hell, don't think I'd even go to a concert hall. Pub scene might interest me, if they had an opening act that I was interested in. Otherwise...
Not even interested sad to say.
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Without Duff McKagan, Izzy Stradlin, Dizzy Reed, Matt Sorum and/or Steven Adler i'm not the slightest interested.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. I'm sure the vast majority of people would consider it a reunion just because Axl and Slash are going to play together, but a true reunion of AFD or UYI members would be pretty cool.
Still neat to see though, I've always been a GnR fan mainly because I have always been a Slash fan. If they can hold their stuff together this could be a huge, HUGE cash grab for them. I'm guessing its nothing more than that.
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Just read that Skid Row and new singer Tony Harnell have split after less than a year. I'm wondering if this reunion may be fueling Skid Row and Sebastian Bach getting back together.
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Good luck to them. I still love Appetite For Destruction, and G N' R Lies is a cool little EP. And the Use Your Illusion albums have about one album's worth of good songs between them. So although I am not all that excited to see them now, I wish them well.
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BTW, Duff is part of it not Izzy, Matt or Steven.
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I'd shell out maybe $40... depending on the opening act, and size of the venue.
Hahaha, then you're not going. :) I'm hearing the tix are going to be in the $250-$300 range. For a stadium show that isn't "The Wall" by Roger Waters, that isn't worth it to me.
I'm a bigger fan of the Myles/Slash stuff, but I've seen both the Use Your Illusion G/n/R and the "new" one, and honestly, it may be the drugs (in the band!!) but the "new" one was way better. Axl sang for almost three hours straight, sounded excellent, they played something like 35 songs, and when I left they were still playing (after 3 hours and 15 minutes).
Personally, I think the whole "we need the ORIGINALS!" and "we need NEW MUSIC!" things are way overrated; I can't imagine Stephen Adler can pull off a three hour stadium show at this point, though I wonder why Matt Sorum isn't involved. I'm starting to think something happened with the Velvet Revolver gig that soured Slash on the rest of the GnR guys. And I'd rather hear Coma and Estranged than anything new at this point.
Now the question everyone - well, at least I am - will be asking: do they do any Chinese Democracy or any of Slash's solo stuff? Or is it all from the three main albums?
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I'd shell out maybe $40... depending on the opening act, and size of the venue.
Hahaha, then you're not going. :) I'm hearing the tix are going to be in the $250-$300 range. For a stadium show that isn't "The Wall" by Roger Waters, that isn't worth it to me.
I'm a bigger fan of the Myles/Slash stuff, but I've seen both the Use Your Illusion G/n/R and the "new" one, and honestly, it may be the drugs (in the band!!) but the "new" one was way better. Axl sang for almost three hours straight, sounded excellent, they played something like 35 songs, and when I left they were still playing (after 3 hours and 15 minutes).
Personally, I think the whole "we need the ORIGINALS!" and "we need NEW MUSIC!" things are way overrated; I can't imagine Stephen Adler can pull off a three hour stadium show at this point, though I wonder why Matt Sorum isn't involved. I'm starting to think something happened with the Velvet Revolver gig that soured Slash on the rest of the GnR guys. And I'd rather hear Coma and Estranged than anything new at this point.
Now the question everyone - well, at least I am - will be asking: do they do any Chinese Democracy or any of Slash's solo stuff? Or is it all from the three main albums?
I think for me, the reason this might be appealing is because I have never had the opportunity to see Axl, Slash, etc play together. The last time they did I was a kid. I had opportunities to see the "new" GnR with Axl and a bunch of random dudes, but that honestly didn't appeal to me, regardless of how many hours their set was.
But, do I understand your post correctly? - You prefer Axl and a group of hire hands to the original and/or UYI era line-up of the band? If so, you might be the only person I have ever heard say that.
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I think for me, the reason this might be appealing is because I have never had the opportunity to see Axl, Slash, etc play together. The last time they did I was a kid. I had opportunities to see the "new" GnR with Axl and a bunch of random dudes, but that honestly didn't appeal to me, regardless of how many hours their set was.
But, do I understand your post correctly? - You prefer Axl and a group of hire hands to the original and/or UYI era line-up of the band? If so, you might be the only person I have ever heard say that.
Well, whether you realize it or not, you answered your own question. I don't look at it as "Axl and a bunch of hired hands". That's a defeatist way of looking at it. If that's the case, then Slash and Myles is "Slash and a bunch of hired hands", and it's not. Bumblefoot is an amazing guitarist by any standard (though he kept leaving the stage when I saw them; I wondered at the time if he was sick), and listen, to hear Axl sing Estranged, and Rocket Queen, and Civil War (that song SMOKED!)... well, it just was better, in my opinion. Axl brought the "personality" and the band just had to be very good (as opposed to just "good" or "great") to make it work, and they were. I saw the UYI tour, and while they were then, to this day (and over 400 concerts) the most "dangerous" band I've ever seen (it was weird; there was an energy in the place like I've never experienced before) they were, how do you say, ramshackle at best? Slash was clearly in his cups (I've seen him since and he was sober and at the top of his individual game) and Duff, I think, thought he was playing with the Ramones, so...
The only part of the show I didn't care for, and which goes to your point, is DJ Ashba was dressed shirtless with black leather pants and a hat that wasn't exactly a tophat, but when in silhouette cut the same profile. So when he stepped up to play the intro to Sweet Child o'Mine, it was a little Tommy Thayer/Richie Faulkner-esque for me.
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Well, whether you realize it or not, you answered your own question. I don't look at it as "Axl and a bunch of hired hands". That's a defeatist way of looking at it. If that's the case, then Slash and Myles is "Slash and a bunch of hired hands", and it's not. Bumblefoot is an amazing guitarist by any standard (though he kept leaving the stage when I saw them; I wondered at the time if he was sick), and listen, to hear Axl sing Estranged, and Rocket Queen, and Civil War (that song SMOKED!)... well, it just was better, in my opinion. Axl brought the "personality" and the band just had to be very good (as opposed to just "good" or "great") to make it work, and they were. I saw the UYI tour, and while they were then, to this day (and over 400 concerts) the most "dangerous" band I've ever seen (it was weird; there was an energy in the place like I've never experienced before) they were, how do you say, ramshackle at best? Slash was clearly in his cups (I've seen him since and he was sober and at the top of his individual game) and Duff, I think, thought he was playing with the Ramones, so...
Honestly, I've always looked at it this way because it seemed like that's how Axl viewed things. Maybe I'm wrong, but it always seemed to me like Axl hired those guys and fired those guys as he pleased. That doesn't make them better or worse players or musicians.
Slash's situation is different in that regard. Slash found chemistry with several musicians and decided to form a band with them. Axl retained legal right to a name he knew he could make more money using (rather than creating a different band name or as a solo artist) so he hired musicians to fill voided roles and continued on. Sure, Slash uses his name for the Conspirators, but that's because that group started playing together to support his solo album. Slash has recently said in interviews he plans to transition the name in the future to be just "The Conspirators" instead of "Slash: Featuring Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators".
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Well, whether you realize it or not, you answered your own question. I don't look at it as "Axl and a bunch of hired hands". That's a defeatist way of looking at it. If that's the case, then Slash and Myles is "Slash and a bunch of hired hands", and it's not. Bumblefoot is an amazing guitarist by any standard (though he kept leaving the stage when I saw them; I wondered at the time if he was sick), and listen, to hear Axl sing Estranged, and Rocket Queen, and Civil War (that song SMOKED!)... well, it just was better, in my opinion. Axl brought the "personality" and the band just had to be very good (as opposed to just "good" or "great") to make it work, and they were. I saw the UYI tour, and while they were then, to this day (and over 400 concerts) the most "dangerous" band I've ever seen (it was weird; there was an energy in the place like I've never experienced before) they were, how do you say, ramshackle at best? Slash was clearly in his cups (I've seen him since and he was sober and at the top of his individual game) and Duff, I think, thought he was playing with the Ramones, so...
Honestly, I've always looked at it this way because it seemed like that's how Axl viewed things. Maybe I'm wrong, but it always seemed to me like Axl hired those guys and fired those guys as he pleased. That doesn't make them better or worse players or musicians.
I agree. I'm not sure what other way there even is to look at it, honestly.
SMOKED
Suddenly, I'm sensing a much more common-sense explanation for Stadler's heretofore seemingly inexplicable views on his recent GNR experience. :lol
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I don't look at it as "Axl and a bunch of hired hands". That's a defeatist way of looking at it.
Well I do and I don't think it's defeatist at all. I'm sure you saw an awesome show by Axel And His Bunch Of Dudes band. Sure they may be great musicians, and focused enough to put on a great show. But are they Guns n Roses? No f'n way.
I'd have way more interest if it were the Axl Rose band.
I was into GnR way back in the day, seeing a club show before they broke and seeing the UYI tour 4 times over 3 legs. That band was interesting. And I thought they rocked pretty good. It was a hell of a rock n roll show for sure.
But I cannot say how uninterested I am in this reunion of sorts. Great so Slash and Axl are going to play together for a big payday, and will include Duff to make it seem like a reunion.
I will say that I have read Duff's first book, and I cannot recommend it enough. It is really fantastic. I actually always found him the most interesting anyway.
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I'd shell out maybe $40... depending on the opening act, and size of the venue.
Hahaha, then you're not going. :) I'm hearing the tix are going to be in the $250-$300 range. For a stadium show that isn't "The Wall" by Roger Waters, that isn't worth it to me.
I'm a bigger fan of the Myles/Slash stuff, but I've seen both the Use Your Illusion G/n/R and the "new" one, and honestly, it may be the drugs (in the band!!) but the "new" one was way better. Axl sang for almost three hours straight, sounded excellent, they played something like 35 songs, and when I left they were still playing (after 3 hours and 15 minutes).
I think the $250-$300 are the close seats. I imagine the lawn type tickets would be around $60. And I too am digging the Myles/Slash stuff.
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I have zero interest in this. I feel like Axl spent years dragging the band through the mud, and now he's looking to make a quick buck. He doesn't deserve a penny of my money. I can't respect that primadonna rock star attitude like he's better than everyone else. His voice is shit now, so where's the hook? I've seen them live and they were good, but that was over twenty years ago. Metallica blew them off the stage, though. Never mind the fact that I had aged a lifetime before Axl even took the stage. I'd rather see a Spice Girls reunion.
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I'd rather see a Spice Girls reunion.
Funny you should say that. I saw this link from the GNR forum since one of their members titled it "The reunion announcement has finally come!!", this was before all of the GNR stuff has becoming apparent.
https://www.today.com/popculture/mel-b-says-spice-girls-will-reunite-20th-anniversary-2016-t64041
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I'd rather see a Spice Girls reunion.
Funny you should say that. I saw this link from the GNR forum since one of their members titled it "The reunion announcement has finally come!!", this was before all of the GNR stuff has becoming apparent.
https://www.today.com/popculture/mel-b-says-spice-girls-will-reunite-20th-anniversary-2016-t64041
See, now that's worth it.
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Bumping to state that, apparently, it is official from twitter pages like Slash and Duff, etc., they are going to be playing Coachella. Let's see how this goes. All I can hope for is that if Slash does not like this reunion goes, that he does not derail any plans that Myles has with Alter Bridge.
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Bumping to state that, apparently, it is official from twitter pages like Slash and Duff, etc., they are going to be playing Coachella. Let's see how this goes. All I can hope for is that if Slash does not like this reunion goes, that he does not derail any plans that Myles has with Alter Bridge.
Gosh I really hope the reunion goes well enough that AB gets some significant amount of time where Myles doesn't have an obligation to Slash. I love the stuff Slash and Myles come up with, but AB is one of my favorite bands out there and I'd love to see them have more time to write and tour.
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I'd rather see a Spice Girls reunion.
Funny you should say that. I saw this link from the GNR forum since one of their members titled it "The reunion announcement has finally come!!", this was before all of the GNR stuff has becoming apparent.
https://www.today.com/popculture/mel-b-says-spice-girls-will-reunite-20th-anniversary-2016-t64041
See, now that's worth it.
Not so Baby Spice and really fuckin' Old Spice. Not quite so Sporty Spice anymore and never-was-that-scary-anyway Spice.
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I'd rather see a Spice Girls reunion.
Funny you should say that. I saw this link from the GNR forum since one of their members titled it "The reunion announcement has finally come!!", this was before all of the GNR stuff has becoming apparent.
https://www.today.com/popculture/mel-b-says-spice-girls-will-reunite-20th-anniversary-2016-t64041
See, now that's worth it.
Not so Baby Spice and really fuckin' Old Spice. Not quite so Sporty Spice anymore and never-was-that-scary-anyway Spice.
It's sure better than Axl Spice. I think Baby Spice looks pretty good. I didn't check the others out.
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I'll take the Slash ft. Myles Kennedy & Conspirators project over GNR thank you very much.
:corn
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Geri Halliwell will probably do it just for the money and the spotlight.
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Bumping to state that, apparently, it is official from twitter pages like Slash and Duff, etc., they are going to be playing Coachella. Let's see how this goes. All I can hope for is that if Slash does not like this reunion goes, that he does not derail any plans that Myles has with Alter Bridge.
Gosh I really hope the reunion goes well enough that AB gets some significant amount of time where Myles doesn't have an obligation to Slash. I love the stuff Slash and Myles come up with, but AB is one of my favorite bands out there and I'd love to see them have more time to write and tour.
This, I don't want to turn this into an Alter Bridge thread but it's likely that if Myles spends so much time with the Slash project like the last few years with the World on Fire tour, it would take away from the time with AB. I doubt that will be the case this year though, they're working on the new album and Tremonti should have the time too, Dust is apparently already finished (they're just waiting until April or something to release it), so I think AB V should be well underway
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Yeah AB V is supposed to come out in 2016, my issue hasn't necessarily been AB not putting out albums, its more the fact that they tend to not tour to support those albums much in recent years. That's due to the fact that Tremonti and Myles are already booked with other obligations.
Anyway... I agree I don't want to make this into an AB thread, so back to my original point, I'll be curious to see how long this "reunion" lasts. I feel like Slash doesn't have much to lose, so if things aren't going well he would probably be comfortable walking away and heading back to doing his own thing.
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Bumping to state that, apparently, it is official from twitter pages like Slash and Duff, etc., they are going to be playing Coachella. Let's see how this goes. All I can hope for is that if Slash does not like this reunion goes, that he does not derail any plans that Myles has with Alter Bridge.
Gosh I really hope the reunion goes well enough that AB gets some significant amount of time where Myles doesn't have an obligation to Slash. I love the stuff Slash and Myles come up with, but AB is one of my favorite bands out there and I'd love to see them have more time to write and tour.
Just the exact opposite for me. I hope Tremonti and Wolfgang continue the bro-mance and Myles has no choice but to continue making awesome classic rock with Slash. Tremonti is good and all, but there are two songs, one AB, one Slash (I have to go back and listen, but I will if you want me to) that are almost the same vocal melody and what not, but the backing is different. The AB version is that sort of I don't know how you call it style that Tremonti plays (not nu metal, but like Audioslave or Korn) and the Slash version is more Aerosmith-y, and the Slash version just slays the other for me.
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Geri Halliwell will probably do it just for the money and the spotlight.
Do what?
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Just the exact opposite for me. I hope Tremonti and Wolfgang continue the bro-mance and Myles has no choice but to continue making awesome classic rock with Slash. Tremonti is good and all, but there are two songs, one AB, one Slash (I have to go back and listen, but I will if you want me to) that are almost the same vocal melody and what not, but the backing is different. The AB version is that sort of I don't know how you call it style that Tremonti plays (not nu metal, but like Audioslave or Korn) and the Slash version is more Aerosmith-y, and the Slash version just slays the other for me.
I'd be here tomorrow if I would compare everything, but out of all the Myles/Slash stuff I think you might be talking about The Unholy (that has the biggest AB vibe IMO), in which case I would probably agree, that's one of my favorite songs and beats most AB songs.
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Yeah obviously it comes down to personal preference, if you like the stuff Myles creates with Slash more than AB, I totally get that. It's definitely got more of a classic rock, blues-based sound (which is basically Slash). AB definitely has a more modern metal/hard rock thing going on.
I'd be here tomorrow if I would compare everything, but out of all the Myles/Slash stuff I think you might be talking about The Unholy (that has the biggest AB vibe IMO), in which case I would probably agree, that's one of my favorite songs and beats most AB songs.
Yeah, I think I remember reading somewhere that The Unholy was the only song on WoF that Myles contributed guitar parts to, so that probably plays a role in it sounding "ABish"
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I'm traveling this week (which means I have a ton of time on my hands), so I'll get the songs I'm referring to soon. I don't think it was "The Unholy", since it is either from Live From Amsterdam or One Day Remains.
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Well the AB song could still be from One Day Remains or Live from Amsterdam if the Slash song you were referring to was 'The Unholy' right? We'll see, let me know if you found out, I'm curious
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Well the AB song could still be from One Day Remains or Live from Amsterdam if the Slash song you were referring to was 'The Unholy' right? We'll see, let me know if you found out, I'm curious
Duh!!! You're right. I was so focused on the AB side that I wasn't thinking. Another example (though not as good, and not the one I was thinking about) is Metalingus and Anastasia.
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Right, so GNR has announced that they are doing two shows in Vegas before Coachella. Tickets range from $80-350. There are also big-ass VIP packages with the highest being at $2,500. Here's the link to the VIP packages.
https://www.axs.com/events/306247/guns-n-roses-tickets/promopage/4074?skin=tmobile
So, is that the best way to get the most enjoyment in Las Vegas for the sort of money people might spend on a GNR show or no?
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Why do I keep bumping this thread? Ehhh. It's official, they are going to be touring stadiums in the US during the summer. Does anyone want to go? If so, here are the dates.
https://www.facebook.com/events/580899592074756/
Thursday, June 23, 2016 Detroit, MI Ford Field
Sunday, June 26, 2016 Washington, DC FEDEXFIELD
Wednesday, June 29, 2016 Kansas City, MO Arrowhead Stadium
Friday, July 1, 2016 Chicago, IL Soldier Field
Wednesday, July 6, 2016 Cincinnati, OH Paul Brown Stadium
Saturday, July 9, 2016 Nashville, TN Nissan Stadium
Tuesday, July 12, 2016 Pittsburgh, PA Heinz Field
Thursday, July 14, 2016 Philadelphia, PA Lincoln Financial Field
Saturday, July 16, 2016 Toronto, ON Rogers Centre
Tuesday, July 19, 2016 Foxboro, MA Gillette Stadium
Saturday, July 23, 2016 East Rutherford, NJ MetLife Stadium
Wednesday, July 27, 2016 Atlanta, GA Georgia Dome
Friday, July 29, 2016 Orlando, FL Orlando Citrus Bowl
Sunday, July 31, 2016 New Orleans, LA Mercedes-Benz Superdome
Wednesday, August 3, 2016 Arlington, TX AT&T Stadium
Friday, August 5, 2016 Houston, TX NRG Stadium
Tuesday, August 9, 2016 San Francisco, CA AT&T Park
Friday, August 12, 2016 Seattle, WA CenturyLink Field
Monday, August 15, 2016 Glendale, AZ University of Phoenix Stadium
Monday, August 22, 2016 San Diego, CA Qualcomm Stadium
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Is it going to be possible that they finish all these dates? Will be interesting to see.
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Surely I'm not the only person thinking this was an April Fools Day gag. :lol
If they survive long enough to get to Oz, hell yeah I'm going. One of my biggest concert regrets was not being able to see them when they came out here ages ago (2008 maybe?).
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Surely I'm not the only person thinking this was an April Fools Day gag. :lol
If they survive long enough to get to Oz, hell yeah I'm going. One of my biggest concert regrets was not being able to see them when they came out here ages ago (2008 maybe?).
The Axl Rose Band ? Nah - I missed that on purpose.
But I did see them with Skid Row , Calder Park (middle of nowhere) 1993 in 40 degrees and pissing rain................took us most of the night to get home but was worth it.
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Surely I'm not the only person thinking this was an April Fools Day gag. :lol
If they survive long enough to get to Oz, hell yeah I'm going. One of my biggest concert regrets was not being able to see them when they came out here ages ago (2008 maybe?).
The Axl Rose Band ? Nah - I missed that on purpose.
But I did see them with Skid Row , Calder Park (middle of nowhere) 1993 in 40 degrees and pissing rain................took us most of the night to get home but was worth it.
Sure it's not what I'd call GNR, but it still would have been a cool gig to see. He was singing great at the time, and I like the music.
Speaking of Skid Row, I think Sebastian Bach opened for that GNR show? He came out once or twice after that too, didn't get to any of them. Would have liked to see that.
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Just picked up presale tickets for Landover, MD/WashDC. Woohoo!
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I'll just leave this here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOsD-UasC8
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THAT is awesome.
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The real tour hasn't even started and Axl Rose has already slipped at a show and broken his foot. :lol :lol
Now, I am not laughing at anyone getting hurt, but at the train wreck that will be this band yet again.
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Fortunately, it wasn't his sha-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-knees.
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I was toying with the idea of going to see them, but I'm not shelling out the bucks to see him sitting down. Yeah, he's making the best of it using Dave Grohl's guitar throne and I respect that, but I will catch them some other time.
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Fortunately, it wasn't his sha-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-knees.
Not at all interested in this GnR reunion. Was reading the thread 'cause I'm bored.
Laughed way to hard at this. :lol
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... but I will catch them some other time.
So, on the next reunion tour? :p
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I'm with Stadler. I saw the 'new' lineup a few years back and it was wicked good.
Them musicians are killer and they were even more killer together. I'm actually kinda sad that they all got the boot just so this can get put together. Would love to hear an(other) album outta those guys. Thought it woulda happened by 2015. Guess I thought wrong; best not hold my breath on it ever happenin now.
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Really cool of Dave Grohl to lend Axl his throne.
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Put me down for indifferent till a new album is announced.
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As much as I'd like to check this out (especially with the NJ show being 15 minutes from me), don't think I can justify the cost. I'll just hold on to the memory of seeing Slash play most of Appetite for Destruction while touring with Myles a couple years ago.
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Put me down for indifferent till a new album is announced.
Even if it's announced it could still be a decade or two until it comes out ;D
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Really cool of Dave Grohl to lend Axl his throne.
Good Guy Dave does it again. I think the Good Guy Greg meme should be replaced with a pic of Dave Grohl instead.
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He's been sitting on................ Mr Grohl's Throne :metal
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Am I the only one that thinks that is sort of lame? Dave Grohl is to '10's rock what Phil Collins was to the 80's. Sit the fuck down already, and stay in your lane. I know, Dave Grohl is in the dictionary next to "integrity", but this just smacks of wanting your name mentioned in connection with the biggest musical event since Page and Plant decided to strap on together again.
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What does this mean for the "other" GnR line up Rose assembled considering they've said they were working on a Chinese Democracy follow-up?
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What does this mean for the "other" GnR line up Rose assembled considering they've said they were working on a Chinese Democracy follow-up?
As far as I know, people like DJ Ashby, Bumblefoot and Stinson (or whatever his name is) have officially left the band.
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DJ Ashba left before the reunion was announced. As, I believe, did Bumblefoot. I don't know about Tommy Stinson.
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Side note: I had heard of Bumblefoot, but never seen/heard him play until last week. Dude can absolutely rip. He was walking around in the crowd soloing and posing for selfies while doing so. He also started shaking hands/giving high fives at one point while continuing to play legato.
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^^^ When I saw G'n'R, he must've been sick or something, because he was only on stage for about half the show, but what he did play (and his solo spot) were unbelievable. He's the goods.
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Am I the only one that thinks that is sort of lame? Dave Grohl is to '10's rock what Phil Collins was to the 80's. Sit the fuck down already, and stay in your lane. I know, Dave Grohl is in the dictionary next to "integrity", but this just smacks of wanting your name mentioned in connection with the biggest musical event since Page and Plant decided to strap on together again.
Shtick like this isn't believable when you lay it on so thick. Just a bit of friendly advice. :biggrin:
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Seriously, I have to say that this GnR cash grab does not interest me in any way. Seriously.
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Seriously, I have to say that this GnR cash grab does not interest me in any way. Seriously.
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It's so weird because Slash and Duff don't need to do this at all.
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I am sure the money they will make on this tour will make it well worth it, regardless of whether or not they need it.
Reunion tours like this are always about the cash grab, and this is one of the most obvious ones I've ever seen (up there with the Police and Eagles).
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There's no way Slash and Duff are playing on a brand new GNR album.
So there's this tour for $$$ then what ? Slash goes back to The Conspirators and who is left in GNR ?
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Of all of the weirdness of this reunion, I'm mostly surprised that Slash and Duff agreed to learn a Chinese Democracy song.
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It's so weird because Slash and Duff don't need to do this at all.
Maybe they want to.
I heard a podcast with Eddie Trunk that Slash did about a year or so ago (maybe a little more). And he seems like a pretty intense guy for all his chill persona. He talked about be obsessive in many ways - playing guitar, drugs, etc. - and twice he said things, in an offhand way, that reinforced that. Once he said "well I don't really spend a lot of time thinking about who I want to play with, because if I did, I would then spend all my time making it happen" and once about drugs he said something about how "there really isn't casual use for me; if I do it I end up doing it to the extreme. That's why the overdoses.".
I don't know, I just got the vibe that if this was something that he had any interest at all in, it would be full on.
I think sometimes it's best to just not read too much into things and not project our own cynicism on things. Maybe he just wants to play stadia again. Who the fuck knows? I don't begrudge them this at all (and I also don't care one bit that Adler isn't involved).
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Alright I'll say it, I totally want to see this. I'm too young to have gone to see the original lineup back in the late 80s early 90s, so this is probably my only shot to see Slash and Axl perform these iconic songs together. I got tickets for their show in Pittsburgh, it was like $70... I've paid more for concerts, I didn't think that was too bad.
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I don't see this reformation lasting beyond the tour.
Slash had a good thing going with Myles Kennedy which i'm sure he'll want to continue with.
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I don't see this reformation lasting beyond the tour.
Slash had a good thing going with Myles Kennedy which i'm sure he'll want to continue with.
I hope that's exactly what Slash does. Makes his money on this tour (admittedly some from me) and then goes back to the Conspirators with Myles, I really like their last record and would love for them to continue.
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I hope so too. World on Fire is an incredible album! :metal :hefdaddy
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Am I the only one that thinks that is sort of lame? Dave Grohl is to '10's rock what Phil Collins was to the 80's. Sit the fuck down already, and stay in your lane. I know, Dave Grohl is in the dictionary next to "integrity", but this just smacks of wanting your name mentioned in connection with the biggest musical event since Page and Plant decided to strap on together again.
Just my opinion, but you are way off base.
Guns N Roses were absolutely huge back in the day, but they aren't the equal of Page & Plant in any way. Dave Grohl is much more relevant at this point in time than G N R. He doesn't have to "stay in his lane" as though he has to defer to Axl fucking Rose. It's his road, and G N R are heading back onto the highway from their 20 year rest stop.
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Yes and nobody in Foo Fighters seems like an arrogant rockstar prick like anyone in GNR.
Foo Fighters all seem like really down to earth funny regular guys with a sense of humour.
I can't imagine Axl Rose appearing in drag in a comedy music video like Learning To Fly.
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Am I the only one that thinks that is sort of lame? Dave Grohl is to '10's rock what Phil Collins was to the 80's. Sit the fuck down already, and stay in your lane. I know, Dave Grohl is in the dictionary next to "integrity", but this just smacks of wanting your name mentioned in connection with the biggest musical event since Page and Plant decided to strap on together again.
Just my opinion, but you are way off base.
Guns N Roses were absolutely huge back in the day, but they aren't the equal of Page & Plant in any way. Dave Grohl is much more relevant at this point in time than G N R. He doesn't have to "stay in his lane" as though he has to defer to Axl fucking Rose. It's his road, and G N R are heading back onto the highway from their 20 year rest stop.
I'm not sure yet that I agree, but I certainly see your point on relevance. And I'm not really suggesting that Grohl "defer" to Axl, I just mean that it smells a shade like trying to maybe maintain his relevance or make sure he's not run off the road by Axl and his gang.
I do still feel strongly, though, that Grohl is just too ubiquitous for my tastes.
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Am I the only one that thinks that is sort of lame? Dave Grohl is to '10's rock what Phil Collins was to the 80's. Sit the fuck down already, and stay in your lane. I know, Dave Grohl is in the dictionary next to "integrity", but this just smacks of wanting your name mentioned in connection with the biggest musical event since Page and Plant decided to strap on together again.
Just my opinion, but you are way off base.
Guns N Roses were absolutely huge back in the day, but they aren't the equal of Page & Plant in any way. Dave Grohl is much more relevant at this point in time than G N R. He doesn't have to "stay in his lane" as though he has to defer to Axl fucking Rose. It's his road, and G N R are heading back onto the highway from their 20 year rest stop.
I don't think Stadler was saying GNR is equal to Zepp. I think he was trying to say that the GNR reunion is, arguably, the biggest thing in rock music since the Zepp reunion in 2007 or whenever that show was. And I definitely think an argument can be made that this is the biggest thing in rock in a while.
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I feel like I've seen enough instances of Dave Grohl doing cool guy things to not think anything other than that he's a good guy just trying to be good to other people, because why not?
Also, I suspect that, being a musician and a fan of music in general, the idea of a Guns and Roses reunion is just as big a deal to him as it would be to any fan. In this instance (the throne), getting to help out and somehow contribute to it is no more of a fanboy fantasy fulfilled than anything someone here would love to do for a band they love.
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I feel like I've seen enough instances of Dave Grohl doing cool guy things to not think anything other than that he's a good guy just trying to be good to other people, because why not?
Also, I suspect that, being a musician and a fan of music in general, the idea of a Guns and Roses reunion is just as big a deal to him as it would be to any fan. In this instance (the throne), getting to help out and somehow contribute to it is no more of a fanboy fantasy fulfilled than anything someone here would love to do for a band they love.
This exactly. He doesn't need G n R to "maintain his relevance." He does a great job of that all by himself.
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Matt answering a question about GnR:
matt sorum ✔ @mattsorum
"@vcdissevodka: @mattsorum
you are watching the shows of Guns N' Roses?" Watching final season of Downton Abbey
:lol
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Am I the only one that thinks that is sort of lame? Dave Grohl is to '10's rock what Phil Collins was to the 80's. Sit the fuck down already, and stay in your lane. I know, Dave Grohl is in the dictionary next to "integrity", but this just smacks of wanting your name mentioned in connection with the biggest musical event since Page and Plant decided to strap on together again.
Just my opinion, but you are way off base.
Guns N Roses were absolutely huge back in the day, but they aren't the equal of Page & Plant in any way. Dave Grohl is much more relevant at this point in time than G N R. He doesn't have to "stay in his lane" as though he has to defer to Axl fucking Rose. It's his road, and G N R are heading back onto the highway from their 20 year rest stop.
I don't think Stadler was saying GNR is equal to Zepp. I think he was trying to say that the GNR reunion is, arguably, the biggest thing in rock music since the Zepp reunion in 2007 or whenever that show was. And I definitely think an argument can be made that this is the biggest thing in rock in a while.
Bingo. Exactly right. Please direct all future questions to @Mikeyd23. :)
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Bingo. Exactly right. Please direct all future questions to @Mikeyd23. :)
Haha, as long as they aren't some of the questions you field in P/R, I'd be lost! :lol
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I feel like I've seen enough instances of Dave Grohl doing cool guy things to not think anything other than that he's a good guy just trying to be good to other people, because why not?
Also, I suspect that, being a musician and a fan of music in general, the idea of a Guns and Roses reunion is just as big a deal to him as it would be to any fan. In this instance (the throne), getting to help out and somehow contribute to it is no more of a fanboy fantasy fulfilled than anything someone here would love to do for a band they love.
He is buds with Slash and Duff, I'll give you that.
Still, he's like a roach. He's EVERYWHERE. Is he going to take the SST across the Atlantic to present the chair at two GnR shows on the same day? Is he going to star in a crappy rom-com? Is he going to score the next Disney movie?
In fact, I just asked the Magic 8 Ball (at this site: https://www.ask8ball.net/) and the answer was "Most Likely". I shit you not.
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I shit you not.
Up your fiber intake.
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Really cool of Dave Grohl to lend Axl his throne.
Good Guy Dave does it again. I think the Good Guy Greg meme should be replaced with a pic of Dave Grohl instead.
Why let the thrown go to waste.
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King ?
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lol
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lol
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I shit you not.
Up your fiber intake.
Haha, that got a real life, honest to goodness laugh out loud.
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I shit you not.
Up your fiber intake.
:rollin
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I don't think Stadler was saying GNR is equal to Zepp. I think he was trying to say that the GNR reunion is, arguably, the biggest thing in rock music since the Zepp reunion in 2007 or whenever that show was. And I definitely think an argument can be made that this is the biggest thing in rock in a while.
Not really. Let's see them do a stadium tour for nearly three years like U2 did, packing most of them to or near capacity, and then maybe we can talk. Still probably not, though.
I know G n' R fans are just dying for them to be relevant again, but it's not happening. A reunion tour does not make them relevant or big again; it just means that a lot of fans want to relive the past. Let's see them release a new album and then tour.
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Not really. Let's see them do a stadium tour for nearly three years like U2 did, packing most of them to or near capacity, and then maybe we can talk. Still probably not, though.
I know G n' R fans are just dying for them to be relevant again, but it's not happening. A reunion tour does not make them relevant or big again; it just means that a lot of fans want to relive the past. Let's see them release a new album and then tour.
I 100% concur. As a modern guy, I don't see these reunion tours as a big deal. Maybe, it is because I do not hold GNR as high reverence. Sure, AFD was a great album and all, but in the current period, even with Slash and Duff back in the fold for this stadium tour, ehhh. I mean if they release a new album with those guys back, that would be awesome. That stated, I just do not see these guys pulling that off as well as Rush and Iron Maiden. After all, it could still be possible that Slash goes back to Myles and Conspirators and record and tour their album. Not really because of the money (sure, it is not money that a GNR tour would generate, but it is still decent money. Most modern bands would like to make the money that Slash/Myles/Conspirators does with their tour), but because they like playing together and have got a solid modern fanbase.
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Anyone know what the attendance difference is between these shows and the Chinese Democracy shows? Just curious if there's even a significant difference.
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Not really. Let's see them do a stadium tour for nearly three years like U2 did, packing most of them to or near capacity, and then maybe we can talk. Still probably not, though.
I know G n' R fans are just dying for them to be relevant again, but it's not happening. A reunion tour does not make them relevant or big again; it just means that a lot of fans want to relive the past. Let's see them release a new album and then tour.
I 100% concur. As a modern guy, I don't see these reunion tours as a big deal. Maybe, it is because I do not hold GNR as high reverence. Sure, AFD was a great album and all, but in the current period, even with Slash and Duff back in the fold for this stadium tour, ehhh. I mean if they release a new album with those guys back, that would be awesome. That stated, I just do not see these guys pulling that off as well as Rush and Iron Maiden. After all, it could still be possible that Slash goes back to Myles and Conspirators and record and tour their album. Not really because of the money (sure, it is not money that a GNR tour would generate, but it is still decent money. Most modern bands would like to make the money that Slash/Myles/Conspirators does with their tour), but because they like playing together and have got a solid modern fanbase.
Look, I'm no G/n/R fanboy - in fact, I'd rather see Axl like I did in 2010, in a 1,000 seat club, and I'm all in on Slash/Myles - and I mean this with no disrespect, but if you ask someone like Ed Trunk, this is THE event of the year. It's the one question that always gets asked, and which - for a while there - the members themselves avoided like the plague.
I can remember being on the Genesis site around the time of the 2007 reunion, and there were a number of people there that were like "Oh! Genesis should reunite with Gabriel and Hackett, and tour the Lamb! They'd pack STADIUMS!" and I was like 'wha??' I'd love to see that too, but it ain't doing more than mid-sized theaters. Who in 2016 wants to see some old guy dressed as a Jedi climbing out of a plastic back lit with black light? While a guy who looks like Chairman Mao is playing drums??? This is exactly the opposite. Maybe here, on a prog-metal band fan site GnR doesn't grab, but I can see a LOT of interest for 40-somethings and their wives having a night out to see a band they were into 15 years before. Granted, we'll see how the attendance is, but they are going into stadiums right out of the gate with no album. There must be SOME demand.
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Genesis with Gabriel and Hackett, to my knowledge, never filled stadiums, so why would they now? Or some years ago? The Genesis that filled stadiums was the three piece pop band of their later career.
I'm thinking that GnR will fill out some stadiums but I'm not thinking that this is the musical happening of the decade. They just aren't important enough anymore, at least imo. And I'm still not sure that they are able to finish the tour.
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Genesis with Gabriel and Hackett, to my knowledge, never filled stadiums, so why would they now? Or some years ago? The Genesis that filled stadiums was the three piece pop band of their later career.
I'm thinking that GnR will fill out some stadiums but I'm not thinking that this is the musical happening of the decade. They just aren't important enough anymore, at least imo. And I'm still not sure that they are able to finish the tour.
Exactly. But there were legit people that thought a Gabriel/Genesis reunion was a stadium act. But the point is, we can't really look at it through our own eyes - I personally like G'n'R, but I don't think they're that important either - but through the market's eyes. They're not throwing this amount of money at them because they are a novelty act.
How about this question: in terms of reunions and event tours, what's bigger?
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Garth Brooks coming back was bigger than Guns N Roses coming back.
I am 100% serious when I say that.
I love Guns N Roses, but looking at their actual output - they had one hell of an album with AFD, and one hell of an album's worth of awesome music spread out over the two UYI albums, combined with a lot of filler. Then they had the handful of good songs from GNR Lies, and a covers album with TSI.
They sold shit-tons of albums, back when people bought albums, which they don't anymore. I wish them luck on this moneygrab reunion tour, but unless they actually produce new material, I don't really care.
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Couple of things, its hard to compare the GNR reunion tour to U2 selling out stadiums on a tour, because one is a reunion of an iconic band that hasn't played with some of the original members in over 20 years. The other is a band that has never had a lineup change for decades and have been consistently releasing albums and touring. So I guess I'm not arguing that GNR are bigger than U2 (I wouldn't argue that) I guess I'm saying this reunion tour is a bigger deal than another U2 tour because the nature of it is completely different.
As to Garth Brooks, you are right, he is incredibly popular and him coming back was HUGE. However, whenever I was mentioning this being a big deal, I said it might be the biggest thing in rock music since the Zepp reunion. Country music is a whole different animal, country music is extremely popular in America, where as rock music is not so much any more. I'll put it this way, besides U2 I can't remember another rock band coming through my city (Pittsburgh) and selling out Heinz Field. There are several country acts that literally sell it out every summer. So I think its just different.
I guess I'm not saying GNR is the biggest band in the world or the most relevant band in the world (clearly they aren't), but this reunion might be the biggest thing in rock in while, that's all.
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I hope you're right.
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I hope you're right.
If nothing else, it's rock music being pushed to the near-front of the music culture of America again, maybe just for a short time, but at least its something.
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Garth Brooks may be a big thing in the states, I doubt that he would fill stadiums in Germany or Europe or Asia.
GnR maybe would, at leats in Europe, not sure about Asia.
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Garth Brooks may be a big thing in the states, I doubt that he would fill stadiums in Germany or Europe or Asia.
GnR maybe would, at leats in Europe, not sure about Asia.
Yup, but that's a snapshot of those genres in general I think. A lot of rock bands do better in Europe and draw bigger crowds, play bigger venues, etc...than they do in the US. Country music is by far most popular in the US.
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I hope you're right.
If nothing else, it's rock music being pushed to the near-front of the music culture of America again, maybe just for a short time, but at least its something.
This is kind of what I mean.
Country is out of fucking control. Here in the northeast, Kenny Chesney, Keith Urban, Garth Brooks, and (if you count her) Taylor Swift sell out stadiums regularly, and I don't even think they need an album. I think it's just a big summer party. Tickets are cheap, and it's just a non-offensive, apolitical day out of the house for many.
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Garth Brooks may be a big thing in the states, I doubt that he would fill stadiums in Germany or Europe or Asia.
I know he has filled out stadiums in Ireland before, but I'm not sure of any other areas of Europe he's been to.
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Maybe here, on a prog-metal band fan site GnR doesn't grab, but I can see a LOT of interest for 40-somethings and their wives having a night out to see a band they were into 15 years before. Granted, we'll see how the attendance is, but they are going into stadiums right out of the gate with no album. There must be SOME demand.
I don't know how overall interest will be for the tour. However, they've sold out MetLife Stadium here in NJ. Part of me would like to see the three of them live again. But, I got to see them with Metallica back on their co-headlining tour. That's good enough for me.
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Garth Brooks may be a big thing in the states, I doubt that he would fill stadiums in Germany or Europe or Asia.
I know he has filled out stadiums in Ireland before, but I'm not sure of any other areas of Europe he's been to.
I may be wrong because I don't follow them closely, but I think most of the country artists from the states don't bother coming across. I've never heard of a concert here in Germany by one of the bigger names. Taylor Swift was here but she's more of a pop artist(?) and she played in Lanxess arena which holds about 10.000 people. Don't know if it was sold out.
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Garth Brooks may be a big thing in the states, I doubt that he would fill stadiums in Germany or Europe or Asia.
I know he has filled out stadiums in Ireland before, but I'm not sure of any other areas of Europe he's been to.
I may be wrong because I don't follow them closely, but I think most of the country artists from the states don't bother coming across. I've never heard of a concert here in Germany by one of the bigger names. Taylor Swift was here but she's more of a pop artist(?) and she played in Lanxess arena which holds about 10.000 people. Don't know if it was sold out.
Honestly, Garth might be one of the exceptions, he had a lot of cross-over appeal in his day, but typically speaking Country music is most popular in America rather than any other country in the world I'd say.
Oh and also, I don't think Swift is a country artist any more, but I'm not sure.
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Taylor Swift certainly started out country, but she has moved on to pop.
The Irish stadium I know of that Garth Brooks sold out was Croke Park (capacity 82,000 or so). I have seen the DVD of that show. There may have been others.
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Look, I'm no G/n/R fanboy - in fact, I'd rather see Axl like I did in 2010, in a 1,000 seat club, and I'm all in on Slash/Myles - and I mean this with no disrespect, but if you ask someone like Ed Trunk, this is THE event of the year. It's the one question that always gets asked, and which - for a while there - the members themselves avoided like the plague.
Okay, but who really cares what Eddie Trunk thinks? :lol :P That guy is awful already, plus I am not sure he knows of any good music of the last 25 years (unless it was made by some band that pre-dated 1990). Seriously.
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This feels like complaining for the sake of it.
Personally, I thought Chinese Democracy was a pretty good album. But the prevailing opinion seemed to be egos were keeping GnR from working together, depriving us of what could have been. Something that was clearly better than "Chinese Democracy" GnR.
Now they do that and it seems the debate has been flipped on its head. If was still in a concert frame of mind, GnR would be one I'd make the effort to see. If it was a smaller venue, heck, that's my gain.
If CD GnR was putting out a new album every 2 to 4 years, then maybe I'd feel like I lost something. If this current lineup puts out even one new song, bonus.
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Look, I'm no G/n/R fanboy - in fact, I'd rather see Axl like I did in 2010, in a 1,000 seat club, and I'm all in on Slash/Myles - and I mean this with no disrespect, but if you ask someone like Ed Trunk, this is THE event of the year. It's the one question that always gets asked, and which - for a while there - the members themselves avoided like the plague.
Okay, but who really cares what Eddie Trunk thinks? :lol :P That guy is awful already, plus I am not sure he knows of any good music of the last 25 years (unless it was made by some band that pre-dated 1990). Seriously.
Exactly. Someone like Eddie Trunk? I don't know anyone in real life like Eddie Trunk. Musically, he's still the guy he was in high school.
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I don't know anyone in real life like Eddie Trunk.
Wait, you don't know any guys who act like total douches and still wear KISS and Iron Maiden t-shirts every day? :lol :lol
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Look, I'm no G/n/R fanboy - in fact, I'd rather see Axl like I did in 2010, in a 1,000 seat club, and I'm all in on Slash/Myles - and I mean this with no disrespect, but if you ask someone like Ed Trunk, this is THE event of the year. It's the one question that always gets asked, and which - for a while there - the members themselves avoided like the plague.
Okay, but who really cares what Eddie Trunk thinks? :lol :P That guy is awful already, plus I am not sure he knows of any good music of the last 25 years (unless it was made by some band that pre-dated 1990). Seriously.
Exactly. Someone like Eddie Trunk? I don't know anyone in real life like Eddie Trunk. Musically, he's still the guy he was in high school.
No, no, I'm not saying that he isn't a douche (he is) or that he specifically knows something we don't (he doesn't). I just mean that when he does interviews and podcasts and such, it's just the topic that comes up as much or more than anyone.
Look, Eddie is nothing special (if I have to hear about his "good friend Ronnie James Dio" or how "brutally honest" he is, I might puke on my iPod) but he DOES have reach, for better or worse, and you can get a feel for what's hot and what's not from listening to what the people HE'S talking to are saying.
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Look, I'm no G/n/R fanboy - in fact, I'd rather see Axl like I did in 2010, in a 1,000 seat club, and I'm all in on Slash/Myles - and I mean this with no disrespect, but if you ask someone like Ed Trunk, this is THE event of the year. It's the one question that always gets asked, and which - for a while there - the members themselves avoided like the plague.
Okay, but who really cares what Eddie Trunk thinks? :lol :P That guy is awful already, plus I am not sure he knows of any good music of the last 25 years (unless it was made by some band that pre-dated 1990). Seriously.
Exactly. Someone like Eddie Trunk? I don't know anyone in real life like Eddie Trunk. Musically, he's still the guy he was in high school.
No, no, I'm not saying that he isn't a douche (he is) or that he specifically knows something we don't (he doesn't). I just mean that when he does interviews and podcasts and such, it's just the topic that comes up as much or more than anyone.
Look, Eddie is nothing special (if I have to hear about his "good friend Ronnie James Dio" or how "brutally honest" he is, I might puke on my iPod) but he DOES have reach, for better or worse, and you can get a feel for what's hot and what's not from listening to what the people HE'S talking to are saying.
Anytime I think of Eddie, I always imagine he's simply an alternate personality of Alex Jones. I don't know if that's good or bad. :lol
I grew up during the GnR era (I was 11 when UYI was released), and honestly liked them in passing until I heard Knockin on Heaven's Door (seems like I saw the concert vid for that on MTV... maybe the Freddie Mercury benefit show?); mind you, I thought that song was a GnR original, so I was blown away by it... especially Slash's style with it. The only other GnR songs that I listened to with any regularity were My Michelle (had an ex named Michelle in Middle School), Civil War, and Don't Cry; I wasn't a huge GnR fan, but I enjoyed them.
Having said that, I can see that it is a big thing... especially for my generation. But honestly, I'd hate to see Slash take time away from Miles and The Conspirators for GnR.
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I don't know anyone in real life like Eddie Trunk.
Wait, you don't know any guys who act like total douches and still wear KISS and Iron Maiden t-shirts every day? :lol :lol
Err, uh, that kind of hits a little close to home (Stadler says, as he changes his Kiss shirt and puts on a Genesis shirt...) :)
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:lol
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First show of the GNR stadium tour was today. Watched it through Periscope. They look good. It's not something I want to spend hundreds of dollars to see, but to those that want to see them, this show would be worth that money to those willing to spend that much. Here's the setlist.
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Chinese Democracy
Welcome to the Jungle
Double Talkin' Jive
Estranged
Live and Let Die
Rocket Queen
You Could Be Mine
Raw Power (Iggy and The Stooges cover) with "You Can't Put Your Arms Around a Memory" intro
This I Love
Civil War
Coma
Godfather Theme
Sweet Child O' Mine
Better
Out Ta Get Me
Jam ("Wish You Were Here" by Pink Floyd, Slash & Fortus Guitar Duet)
November Rain
Knockin' on Heaven's Door
Nightrain
Don't Cry
The Seeker (The Who cover)
Paradise City
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/guns-n-roses/2016/ford-field-detroit-mi-3fe4ddf.html
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The first tour with both Rose and Slash in decades...and they are playing some covers...and one of them as an encore?? :rollin :rollin :rollin
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That was my reaction as well. Come on, guys.
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Pretty good setlist overall though, I'll be seeing them in Pittsburgh, looking forward to it.
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Love Double Talkin' Jive back to back with Estranged!
And Coma :metal
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The only "real" cover is "The Seeker", though having said that, that's an odd Who song to cover. But Raw Power (and the interpolated song) were both on The Spaghetti Incident? and Live and Let Die was on Use Your Illusion I.
I have to say, props to both Slash and Duff for doing THREE Chinese Democracy songs. Would LOVE to hear those with the full band.
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They're still covers, regardless of whether or not they covered them previously. Then again, they don't have a lot of good original material, so they were probably struggling to fill the set list.
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And Knockin' On Heaven's Door is an G'n'R original? :D
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I will give them props for that one. That song has been covered by like 497 artists, and while I haven't heard them all, Guns N' Roses version is the best I've heard.
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Some concert they did a few years ago at Hard Rock Casino is on cable right now. It is shocking how awful Axl Rose sounds. He literally cannot sing or hold any note worth a damn. He is basically talking his way through Sweet Child O' Mine. This is current day Geoff Tate-bad. :eek :eek
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I don't know how Axl has any money left. Basically doing nothing for 15 years and costing the label millions to make Chinese Democracy.
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Why do you think hes doing this tour? ;)
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I don't know how Axl has any money left. Basically doing nothing for 15 years and costing the label millions to make Chinese Democracy.
You said it yourself, he's "costing the label" not himself ;D
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I don't know how Axl has any money left. Basically doing nothing for 15 years and costing the label millions to make Chinese Democracy.
You said it yourself, he's "costing the label" not himself ;D
Which they will claim back off him. Labels don't spend money they don't intend to get back.
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I think that's normally the case, but then there are artists over whom the labels fight to get the right to shove an insane amount of money down the artists's throat. And then the labels hope that they can sell enough records to justify their money spending.
Don't know if that's the case with Axl but it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't have to pay something back.
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I went to the show in Pittsburgh last night, some thoughts...
Heinz Field (where the Steelers play) holds about 65,000. I'd guess there were maybe 40,000 or so there. Basically, the floor was full, the lower bowl was full (except behind the stage where tickets weren't sold), but the upper deck was only seated in about 1/4 of the stadium, the sections directly viewing the stage. So, it definitely wasn't sold out or anything. From what I see, bigger markets are getting 2 shows (NYC, Chicago, etc...) so I guess there's a demand in bigger cities which is great.
Wolfmother was the opener, I not only missed their set, I didn't even see their gear on stage by the time I got through security and got to my seat. I literally have no clue if they even played, by the time I could see the stage, it was set for GnR.
GnR went on around 8:45 and played until 11:15ish. Really, really good show. Just a great rock show, it was loose when it needed to be with extended solos, jamming on intros or outros, but it was also tight when it needed to be in regards to arrangements, song transitions, etc...
The sound was okay, I was in the upper deck of a football stadium, so you can't really assume a pristine mix or anything like that. Axl sounded pretty good, shaky here and there, had a rough time transitioning his voice between different registers sometimes, but the grit and high stuff was there, he went for everything.
Slash, without question, stole the show. Unbelievable guitar player. I'll be the first to admit I'm a big Slash fan and I'll also be the first to admit he certainly is not the most technically-proficient guitarist, but man, he is jaw-dropping good to see live. Perfect example of a player that gets a certain sound simply from his hands.
Overall, great rock show, good stage production, pyro, fireworks, the whole nine yards. I'd highly recommend this tour to any and all fans of the band.
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I guess this is the more recent Guns N Roses thread, so I'll post here.
Is there anybody else that doesn't understand the hate for Chinese Democracy? Not only don't I hate the album, I love it.
Chinese Democracy
Better
If the World
There was a Time
Scraped
Riad N the Bedouins
IRS
Madagascar
Prostitute
I love every single one of these songs. That's nine songs that I find stellar on one album. That rarely happens for me. And they didn't have to grow on me. Loved them all on first listen.
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I think if this was advertised as an Axl Rose solo band project, the album wouldn't get that much backlash. There was so many things that went against the album. The amount of years it took before it finally was released, the fact that Slash was not on it, the fact that this project costed like $14 million dollars. The expectations was too much for the album to overcome.
As the album for itself, I think it's an "ok" album. Got some fine tunes like Shackler's Revenge, title track, and Better. Not really an album that I think would warrant this "hatred," but it's not really an album that I would want to revisit at a given moment. Kinda like Metallica's Hardwired to Self Destruct album for me. It's a decent/tolerable album to hear, not really a flop of an album, but it's not really an album that I can say I truly enjoyed listening to and would want to listen to it again.
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I think if this was advertised as an Axl Rose solo band project, the album wouldn't get that much backlash. There was so many things that went against the album. The amount of years it took before it finally was released, the fact that Slash was not on it, the fact that this project costed like $14 million dollars. The expectations was too much for the album to overcome.
I get the Axl Rose v. Guns thing. It should have been a solo album (or just a new band name). But none of that or the other stuff has anything to do with the actual music release. I know you aren't saying this is "your" view, but the view in general. Personally, I don't care if a song takes 10 minutes or 10 years to write.
You mention expectations building up to the point that they can't be overcome. In the Mangini thread it really made me worry that he hasn't been able to "do his thing" beyond "10%" so we are headed for eventual reviews of "we waited 5 albums for the full Mangini touch on a DT album and now that we got it, I want it to go away." I honestly feel for the guy. He's kinda being setup for failure because of the phenomenon you bring up. It isn't that I can't comprehend it, but that I don't understand it. :P
But I absolutely love Chinese Democracy. Much more so than any of the projects the other guys put out prior to regrouping.
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I'm a big fan of Chinese Democracy.
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CD was and still is a mixed bag for me. There are some songs that are great - title track, Better, If the World, etc... but then there are songs that I simply can't listen to...
Also - I agree, if it was called a Rose album it probably would have sat better with me, but there was no way Axl was going to not leverage the massive GnR name.
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"Guns N Roses" last CD was OK. It was an Axl album, and everyone knows it. There is an attitude and swagger with GnR that wasn't present on it, which is due in large part to the major songwriters not being a part of it. I consider it Axl Rose's solo debut, and while GnR will play tracks from it, I only think a handful really are good. It just lacked that distinct swagger that I think is a part of GnR's core sound.
Apparently they are writing songs now, and with Duff and Slash back in the mix, while I don't expect the full on swagger and attitude of Appetite, I do think there will be a balance, which will ultimately put whatever they release higher in my mind than Chi Dem.
After some hesitation, I attended the GnR show in Seattle last August. A friend bought me a ticket to go, which made my decision easier (lol). I am so glad he did. Been a fan like most everyone in my age bracket -- since the debut of Welcome to the Jungle on MTV. Never got to see them, and refused to see them once Axl went out with his replacement band in the early 2000s for the first time. So when it was announced that a partial reunion was happening, I was on the fence. I mean, Axl had not sounded good.
But to my delight and surprise, he sounded very good in Seattle. He's a much better technical singer now than he ever was, and you could tell he took a ton of vocal lessons and was implementing technique all night. The show had a ton of energy, the songs were played well live, and I really enjoyed myself.
While I gave the side eye to some of the Chi Dem stuff being played, I took a different attitude to it -- if Slash and Duff are playing it, and they had input in the setlist (Coma, obviously, was a Slash want), then I'm fine with it. We're (at least those of us in our 40s, and then the band, who are in their 50s) are too old to nitpick that shit. They played well, sounded great, and I walked away from that show telling myself if they come around again, I'll gladly pay to see them perform again. It was better than expected.
Is it the innocent (not so innocent) late 1980s era GnR? The dangerous, gritty band? No. But you can't replicate that. They all have too much money. But they played well, the songs I loved were played (I'm hit and miss on the Illusion records, and they played most of what I enjoy from them), and the gig got me excited about seeing them again and seeing what they come up with in the studio. So as an old fan, I walked away happy.
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Slash ... Perfect example of a player that gets a certain sound simply from his hands.
I can't really call myself a fan anymore, either of GnR generally, or Slash specifically. I mean, nothing against him, and I don't dislike his playing. I'm just not a Slash "fan" and never have been. But I totally get what you are saying. Interestingly, that is a trend I have noticed with guys that favor Les Pauls and some of the more "classic" old-school guitars. Not that guys who play any of the other guitar models out there aren't serious players. There are TONS of great players with great feel and great hands that play other guitars. But I have definitely noticed that there is a reason certain players gravitate toward LP's, Gibson SG's, strats, and teles. And it's amazing to see what some of those guys do with minimal or no effects, and just their hands, to get some of the most beautiful, expressive, stylistic guitar playing. I first really noticed that after watching Dave Meniketti for years, and seeing him almost never go stomp a pedal any of his effects, but instead, sometimes seemingly in between every strum or solo run on a song, quickly reaching down to tweak the volume knobs, the tone knobs, or the pickup toggle, and just knowing exactly what to do with his hands to get so many different sounds and emotions without the need for effects. Slash's style is very different. But what he shares in common is that same sort of feel and ability to manipulate his guitar tone and create so much mood and expression with his hands rather than a ton of effects and flashy "tricks."
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Couple things: I do love Chinese Democracy. It's not my favorite album of all time, but it's solid, and I enjoyed it for what it was.
Two, I saw the so-called "faux" Guns and Roses in a smaller venue in Philly in 2012 or so (I forget the year) and it SMOKED. I saw the Use Your Illusion tour as well, and honestly, Rose sounded better in 2012 than he did in 90-whatever. He played for three plus hours (I left at a little after 2:00 am, and the band was still playing)and it was solid the whole way through. The only thing I didn't like was DJ Asba wearing a pseudo-top hat and leather pants as he stepped up for the intro to Sweet Child O' Mine and the solo in November Rain.
I applaud Slash and Duff for playing the CD material. I hate that Ian Gillan/Ozzy/Dio thing of "not playing the other guy's songs". Bruce Dickinson sings whatever Harris puts in front of him, and to this day, Maiden still plays Blaze material and Bruce sings the shit out of it. Hell, when I saw Page and Plant, Plant even sang a "Coverdale Page" song, and also sang the crap out of it. I think it's the one sign that this may be more than just a cash grab to fund the next Slash/Myles and the Conspirators album.
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I think it's the one sign that this may be more than just a cash grab to fund the next Slash/Myles and the Conspirators album.
i don't think Slash is doing this to fund the next album with Myles. That band has been extremely successful, and has grown each year they were together. So I agree, this is much more than that, and I don't think that was a goal in the first place.
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I applaud Slash and Duff for playing the CD material. I hate that Ian Gillan/Ozzy/Dio thing of "not playing the other guy's songs". Bruce Dickinson sings whatever Harris puts in front of him, and to this day, Maiden still plays Blaze material and Bruce sings the shit out of it. Hell, when I saw Page and Plant, Plant even sang a "Coverdale Page" song, and also sang the crap out of it. I think it's the one sign that this may be more than just a cash grab to fund the next Slash/Myles and the Conspirators album.
...or it could be that Axl just demanded that they play some of the new material because (1) he just likes it; and/or (2) it is easier for him to sing and gives him a nice break; and/or (3) he is still a prima donna and wanted to tweak Slash and Duff just a bit and show who is "really in charge." I'm not saying that I know any of those factored in, but--well, I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'. :dunno:
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I applaud Slash and Duff for playing the CD material. I hate that Ian Gillan/Ozzy/Dio thing of "not playing the other guy's songs". Bruce Dickinson sings whatever Harris puts in front of him, and to this day, Maiden still plays Blaze material and Bruce sings the shit out of it. Hell, when I saw Page and Plant, Plant even sang a "Coverdale Page" song, and also sang the crap out of it. I think it's the one sign that this may be more than just a cash grab to fund the next Slash/Myles and the Conspirators album.
...or it could be that Axl just demanded that they play some of the new material because (1) he just likes it; and/or (2) it is easier for him to sing and gives him a nice break; and/or (3) he is still a prima donna and wanted to tweak Slash and Duff just a bit and show who is "really in charge." I'm not saying that I know any of those factored in, but--well, I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'. :dunno:
Probably all that :lol
I think GnR just released a TON of 2017 tour dates, so it will probably keep the Myles/Slash project on hold for a while, which I have mixed feelings about. On the one hand I love the stuff Slash has been doing with Myles, on the other hand less time with Slash should equal more time for Myles to spend with Alter Bridge.
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Slash has an amazing and very distinctive tone, and a lot has to do with his fingers, but like almost all of the good guitar players he's using much more effects (and amps and guitars, probably custom made or tuned and costing a shit load of money) than you would expect.
Slash's live gear for solo tours:
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiOlZCO5-fQAhUErRoKHQOKCy0QFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashparadise.com%2Fequipment%2Flive-gear-slash-solo-tour.php&usg=AFQjCNHHo9WCp7iap7tjQfCNzJEIIZiukw (https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiOlZCO5-fQAhUErRoKHQOKCy0QFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashparadise.com%2Fequipment%2Flive-gear-slash-solo-tour.php&usg=AFQjCNHHo9WCp7iap7tjQfCNzJEIIZiukw)
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Slash has an amazing and very distinctive tone, and a lot has to do with his fingers, but like almost all of the good guitar players he's using much more effects (and amps and guitars, probably custom made or tuned and costing a shit load of money) than you would expect.
Slash's live gear for solo tours:
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiOlZCO5-fQAhUErRoKHQOKCy0QFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashparadise.com%2Fequipment%2Flive-gear-slash-solo-tour.php&usg=AFQjCNHHo9WCp7iap7tjQfCNzJEIIZiukw (https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiOlZCO5-fQAhUErRoKHQOKCy0QFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashparadise.com%2Fequipment%2Flive-gear-slash-solo-tour.php&usg=AFQjCNHHo9WCp7iap7tjQfCNzJEIIZiukw)
That's actually a pretty darn simple rig. It's basically a LP into a Marshall with a few stomp boxes that he only uses for particular spots in particular songs. His rack just has some standard stuff like a power conditioner, wireless unit, etc...
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Slash has an amazing and very distinctive tone, and a lot has to do with his fingers, but like almost all of the good guitar players he's using much more effects (and amps and guitars, probably custom made or tuned and costing a shit load of money) than you would expect.
Slash's live gear for solo tours:
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiOlZCO5-fQAhUErRoKHQOKCy0QFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashparadise.com%2Fequipment%2Flive-gear-slash-solo-tour.php&usg=AFQjCNHHo9WCp7iap7tjQfCNzJEIIZiukw (https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiOlZCO5-fQAhUErRoKHQOKCy0QFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashparadise.com%2Fequipment%2Flive-gear-slash-solo-tour.php&usg=AFQjCNHHo9WCp7iap7tjQfCNzJEIIZiukw)
That's actually a pretty darn simple rig. It's basically a LP into a Marshall with a few stomp boxes that he only uses for particular spots in particular songs. His rack just has some standard stuff like a power conditioner, wireless unit, etc...
HAHA, when you have a three-ring binder, with tabs, that says "Slash Tech Notes", I think "simple" is a relative term. He's not plugging a stock guitar into a stock amp. :)
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That's what I meant. There are rigs out there with a lot more components but Slash's setup is far from just plugging the guitar in and playing. And even then, his guitars and amps are not the budget versions either.
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Slash has an amazing and very distinctive tone, and a lot has to do with his fingers, but like almost all of the good guitar players he's using much more effects (and amps and guitars, probably custom made or tuned and costing a shit load of money) than you would expect.
Slash's live gear for solo tours:
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiOlZCO5-fQAhUErRoKHQOKCy0QFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashparadise.com%2Fequipment%2Flive-gear-slash-solo-tour.php&usg=AFQjCNHHo9WCp7iap7tjQfCNzJEIIZiukw (https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiOlZCO5-fQAhUErRoKHQOKCy0QFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashparadise.com%2Fequipment%2Flive-gear-slash-solo-tour.php&usg=AFQjCNHHo9WCp7iap7tjQfCNzJEIIZiukw)
That's actually a pretty darn simple rig. It's basically a LP into a Marshall with a few stomp boxes that he only uses for particular spots in particular songs. His rack just has some standard stuff like a power conditioner, wireless unit, etc...
HAHA, when you have a three-ring binder, with tabs, that says "Slash Tech Notes", I think "simple" is a relative term. He's not plugging a stock guitar into a stock amp. :)
Eh, nowadays, that's fairly standard.
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That's what I meant. There are rigs out there with a lot more components but Slash's setup is far from just plugging the guitar in and playing. And even then, his guitars and amps are not the budget versions either.
Um, there's a big difference between simple and budget. Obviously Slash is not playing budget gear, but honestly, that signal path is pretty simple and straight forward, that's not a bad thing though, I'm just pointing it out.
And also - the binder probably has a lot of detailed information about string gauges, string heights, how those setups differ on different guitars that are set up in different tunings, some of the wiring components of the rigs, etc..etc... That doesn't really make his actual guitar rig simple or complex.
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I applaud Slash and Duff for playing the CD material. I hate that Ian Gillan/Ozzy/Dio thing of "not playing the other guy's songs". Bruce Dickinson sings whatever Harris puts in front of him, and to this day, Maiden still plays Blaze material and Bruce sings the shit out of it. Hell, when I saw Page and Plant, Plant even sang a "Coverdale Page" song, and also sang the crap out of it. I think it's the one sign that this may be more than just a cash grab to fund the next Slash/Myles and the Conspirators album.
...or it could be that Axl just demanded that they play some of the new material because (1) he just likes it; and/or (2) it is easier for him to sing and gives him a nice break; and/or (3) he is still a prima donna and wanted to tweak Slash and Duff just a bit and show who is "really in charge." I'm not saying that I know any of those factored in, but--well, I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'. :dunno:
I'm the last person to defend Axl Rose, who to me is the most obnoxious d-bag in the history of rock music, but in this situation, the others have to suck it up. Whether they like it or not, Guns N' Roses went on without them and you cannot ignore those years. I have said the same thing about Yes, because Steve Howe has all but refused to play stuff from the Rabin years (except for Owner of a Lonely Heart, which he begrudgingly admits they have to play), or Van Halen (I gave props to Hagar for at least singing a few Roth songs per tour in the later 80s and 90s), so I am being consistent here.