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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Darkstarshades on November 22, 2015, 07:31:17 PM
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Would you still like it?
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If the music is the same, then yeah. I don't really see why it would matter at all.
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Imagine female counterparts for every DT member lol.
I know some people who avoid bands with multiple women, or with women in positions not vocalists.
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Imagine female counterparts for every DT member lol.
That's not too hard... except for Jordan. I can't figure out how his female countepart would look like :lol
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I might like them more :heybaby:
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Collectively, they're all pretty feminine, so it wouldn't really make a difference to me.
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(https://orig02.deviantart.net/8f69/f/2015/326/d/1/dt_femaleversion_by_cdrice-d9hp9o6.jpg)
I really shouldn't use Photoshop when I'm tired.
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Holy fuck...
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:rollin
Poor old JMX doesn't need any make up it seems.
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:lol :lol
I had to look twice does JLB wearing nose ring in that photo but it is just a shadow :rollin
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If DT were all girls, there'd be two kinds of wankery involved instead of just one? :neverusethis:
If the music was identical, it wouldn't really make a difference aside from vocals. And all joking about JLB's vocals aside, I don't think a girl singer would fit a lot of the material very well, and I generally don't like female vocals in rock/metal unless it's more operatic vocals in symphonic metal type stuff.
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Imagine female counterparts for every DT member lol.
That's not too hard... except for Jordan. I can't figure out how his female countepart would look like :lol
Sinéad O'Connor
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What if DT married an all girl band?
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oh wait, thats what happened.
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(https://www.metal-archives.com/images/6/6/6/1/6661.jpg)
Even though their songs are hardly DT, they were a Shrapnel shred band that weren't afraid to dress *for the guys* on stage. I'm gonna say DT as a hot chick band would only be a bonus.
A "not hot" chick DT band would be equal to DT.
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Keep in mind that if they were a "hot chick band", they'd all be around 50+ by now, which would make for a not quite as hot chick band. :lol
(But yes, I am aware that there are plenty of chick musicians that are still looking good at 50)
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It wouldn't be the same for me because I don't listen to rock/metal bands with female singers..
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(But yes, I am aware that there are plenty of chick musicians that are still looking good at 50)
Twisted Sister :neverusethis:
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Come on DT, let's have an update soon! The forum's officially run out of stuff to talk about!
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Hell yeah! :metal
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It wouldn't be the same for me because I don't listen to rock/metal bands with female singers..
Dude...
Johnette Napolitano and Ann Wilson sing circles around 85% of all men in rock/metal bands (and James Mankey can play circles around 75% of the guitar players). Yeah, I get that some of Heart's stuff is a little light weight, but Ann sings her cods off on things like Wait For An Answer, and she brought tears to the eyes of none other than Robert Plant himself when she sang "Stairway To Heaven" at the Kennedy Center Honors.
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Jamie LaBrie
Mary Mangini
Josephine Petrucci
Josephine Myung
Johanna Rudess
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Jamie LaBrie
Mary Mangini
Josephine Petrucci
Josephine Myung
Johanna Rudess
I think Jordan can keep his name. I know several girls named Jordan.
. . . and this so much!
Come on DT, let's have an update soon! The forum's officially run out of stuff to talk about!
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Wow, I checked out these Phantom Blue chicks, and they rock! Love the vocals too.
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Jamie LaBrie
Mary Mangini
Josephine Petrucci
Josephine Myung
Johanna Rudess
I think Jordan can keep his name. I know several girls named Jordan.
. . . and this so much!
Come on DT, let's have an update soon! The forum's officially run out of stuff to talk about!
I know Jordan is a unisex name, but I didn't wanna leave 1/5 names the same lol
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(https://www.metal-archives.com/images/6/6/6/1/6661.jpg)
Even though their songs are hardly DT, they were a Shrapnel shred band that weren't afraid to dress *for the guys* on stage. I'm gonna say DT as a hot chick band would only be a bonus.
A "not hot" chick DT band would be equal to DT.
I'm actually impressed that there are other people who have heard of this album.
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Even if I didn't like the vocals, if the music itself was the same I'd like their instrumentals and there are a lot of those!
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Well...
(https://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n180/crowtime/starcatcher/stars/crowstars5.jpg)
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(https://www.metal-archives.com/images/6/6/6/1/6661.jpg)
It's too tempting... I... must... resist... Sorry I can't.
(https://orig13.deviantart.net/2058/f/2015/327/a/9/dt_femaleversion_2_by_cdrice-d9hqzrg.jpg)
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All jokes aside, if I would answer that question seriously: Of course, why the hell not? I don't listen to DT because dudes I listen because great musicians and music.
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Well, the music would still be the same. The voice wouldn't. And as a wannabe singer, I don't focus on the guitar player or the drummer but the vocalist. If there's a woman who can convincingly sing both The Silent Man and The Glass Prison, then my answer would be yes.
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(https://orig02.deviantart.net/8f69/f/2015/326/d/1/dt_femaleversion_by_cdrice-d9hp9o6.jpg)
(https://orig13.deviantart.net/2058/f/2015/327/a/9/dt_femaleversion_2_by_cdrice-d9hqzrg.jpg)
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Dude, you win the internet! FTW :metal :metal
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I just... started a thread to spark controversy and... I didn't want this...
I...
:|
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…I generally don't like female vocals in rock/metal unless it's more operatic vocals in symphonic metal type stuff.
I used to think the same way… until I heard of Lzzy Hale :metal
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If dream theater were all girl, I wouldn't like them as much because no girl would be able to shred like Petrucci. Also, what about Portnoy's vocals? A girl growling wouldn't be too hot.
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Arch Enemy says hi.
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Excuse me?
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Also, what about Portnoy's vocals? A girl growling wouldn't be too hot.
So you're saying his vocals were?
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no girl would be able to shred like Petrucci.
That is soo sexist. Girls can shred to with enough practice.
Honestly I'd love them because they would tell the world that girls too can be really talented.
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Also, what about Portnoy's vocals? A girl growling wouldn't be too hot.
So you're saying his vocals were?
I'm saying it fits. In ANTR, his vocals really set the mood. Can you imagine a girl growling Portnoy's parts? Ugh.
And what I said is the truth, its not sexist.
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Petrucci isn't even human to begin with, so sexism doesn't apply on him.
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Petrucci isn't even human to begin with, so sexism doesn't apply on him.
I hate everyone who says that. They are all freaking human. They are not "gods" at all. Get that through your head buddy.
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I'm saying it fits. In ANTR, his vocals really set the mood.
I guess if the mood is supposed to be comical. That's easily the worst part of the song for me, if you haven't noticed! :D Certainly one of my favorite reasons he's no longer there.
But yeah, a girl doing that part would be...very odd.
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I'm saying it fits. In ANTR, his vocals really set the mood.
I guess if the mood is supposed to be comical. That's easily the worst part of the song for me, if you haven't noticed! :D Certainly one of my favorite reasons he's no longer there.
But yeah, a girl doing that part would be...very odd.
Oh man. Portnoy leaving was the best that happened! I mean seriously, I just absolutely was annoyed by his growling and everything. I mean, leave the singing to Labrie. I agree with you there. I think that Mangini is the perfect replacement. I just think Portnoy's skills was meh.
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Plot twist: Manginig sings in the new album.
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I'm saying it fits. In ANTR, his vocals really set the mood.
I guess if the mood is supposed to be comical. That's easily the worst part of the song for me, if you haven't noticed! :D Certainly one of my favorite reasons he's no longer there.
But yeah, a girl doing that part would be...very odd.
Oh man. Portnoy leaving was the best that happened! I mean seriously, I just absolutely was annoyed by his growling and everything. I mean, leave the singing to Labrie. I agree with you there. I think that Mangini is the perfect replacement. I just think Portnoy's skills was meh.
I'd have to respectfully disagree. Mangini is great, but so is Portnoy. I have read countless arguments on Youtube about Mangini and Portnoy. They are good for everything they have done. Portnoy was the founder of the band along with Myung and Petrucci. You don't know how much he brought to the band. Watching Portnoy on Youtube always made me laugh. He is so funny. Mangini is great also, but you have to give props to Portnoy also.
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I'm saying it fits. In ANTR, his vocals really set the mood.
I guess if the mood is supposed to be comical. That's easily the worst part of the song for me, if you haven't noticed! :D Certainly one of my favorite reasons he's no longer there.
But yeah, a girl doing that part would be...very odd.
Oh man. Portnoy leaving was the best that happened! I mean seriously, I just absolutely was annoyed by his growling and everything. I mean, leave the singing to Labrie. I agree with you there. I think that Mangini is the perfect replacement. I just think Portnoy's skills was meh.
I'd have to respectfully disagree. Mangini is great, but so is Portnoy. I have read countless arguments on Youtube about Mangini and Portnoy. They are good for everything they have done. Portnoy was the founder of the band along with Myung and Petrucci. You don't know how much he brought to the band. Watching Portnoy on Youtube always made me laugh. He is so funny. Mangini is great also, but you have to give props to Portnoy also.
Fuck you. Portnoy won't be able to match up to Mangini's standards. Who won more awards? Portnoy or Mangini? Do your research please before you post here. I mean seriously, Portnoy might've been good the first few albums, but starting from Metropolis Part 2, he was shit.
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No need to be insulting when countering someone else's opinion, nobody has told you anything wrong.
You just can't deny what MP brought to the table. Only thing is that his era has passed since he left, now they're all elsewhere.
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I mean, what if Mangini was the guy that went to Berklee with John and John? If that had happened and it was Magnini instead of Portnoy, you wouldn't have been saying this stuff. And how was I insulting? It was my honest opinion.
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You don't know how much he brought to the band.
So do you?
Watching Portnoy on Youtube always made me laugh. He is so funny. Mangini is great also, but you have to give props to Portnoy also.
It may help that I'm a drummer, but I strongly believe that MM's playing is much more musical than a lot of MP's. The mixes of the last 2 albums don't help prove that point, but get past that and really focus on the details of MM's drum parts. It becomes very obvious how much work he put into them, whereas if you do the same with a lot of MP's later parts, it's just the same stuff. On several of his DVD's he even talks about how his fills are all just alternating his hands and kick drums. 2 hits on snare, 4 on kick, 2 hits on high tom, 4 on kick, etc...variations of that...that is not creativity. Obviously there are more angles than just the drumming itself, and there's a whole thread on this somewhere.
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You don't know how much he brought to the band.
So do you?
Watching Portnoy on Youtube always made me laugh. He is so funny. Mangini is great also, but you have to give props to Portnoy also.
It may help that I'm a drummer, but I strongly believe that MM's playing is much more musical than a lot of MP's. The mixes of the last 2 albums don't help prove that point, but get past that and really focus on the details of MM's drum parts. It becomes very obvious how much work he put into them, whereas if you do the same with a lot of MP's later parts, it's just the same stuff. On several of his DVD's he even talks about how his fills are all just alternating his hands and kick drums. 2 hits on snare, 4 on kick, 2 hits on high tom, 4 on kick, etc...variations of that...that is not creativity. Obviously there are more angles than just the drumming itself, and there's a whole thread on this somewhere.
Buddy, my respect and like for you is growing bigger and bigger every second. :hefdaddy
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"Fuck you"?
Really man?
The situation you wrote is only possible in an alternate universe. There is absolutely no way of knowing what would've happened. We wouldn't have I&W or Awake or SFAM, who knows?
We don't know the extent of their involvement in the band's writing process, since that's what a band is, a team, which is a combination of everyone's efforts and creativity, not just one individual.
ADTOE is a fine example of this, since, as far as I know, it was 90% written with only 4 members, no drummer, and yet it's still a very fine piece of work, much better than MP's last two albums.
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And how the hell did we deviate from the original pointless thread to a pointless argue about MPvMM?
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And how the hell did we deviate from the original pointless thread to a pointless argue about MPvMM?
Because DTF and because noob influx every time DT are about to release an album. Hooray!
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But I feel like something is wrong. I don't know any girl that is under 15 that likes Dream Theater. Are you lying about your age?
And it proves my point that Mangini is way better than Portnoy. Give him more years in the band and you will find him bringing more and more to the table. I mean, no one didn't give Portnoy props when WDADU was written, but as years passed, Portnoy gained more respect. That will happen to Mangini as Portnoy's legacy will become tainted and will become a grain of sand among others. Just give them time.
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And how the hell did we deviate from the original pointless thread to a pointless argue about MPvMM?
Don't most threads go off topic here?
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But I feel like something is wrong. I don't know any girl that is under 15 that likes Dream Theater. Are you lying about your age?
And it proves my point that Mangini is way better than Portnoy. Give him more years in the band and you will find him bringing more and more to the table. I mean, no one didn't give Portnoy props when WDADU was written, but as years passed, Portnoy gained more respect. That will happen to Mangini as Portnoy's legacy will become tainted and will become a grain of sand among others. Just give them time.
Whatever. I respect your opinion and would like to end it here. They are both great.
And no, I'm not lying about my age. There are girls my age that love Dream Theater. You just haven't found it yet. I'm done for today.
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But I feel like something is wrong. I don't know any girl that is under 15 that likes Dream Theater. Are you lying about your age?
And it proves my point that Mangini is way better than Portnoy. Give him more years in the band and you will find him bringing more and more to the table. I mean, no one didn't give Portnoy props when WDADU was written, but as years passed, Portnoy gained more respect. That will happen to Mangini as Portnoy's legacy will become tainted and will become a grain of sand among others. Just give them time.
It doesn't really prove anything.
And I don't mean MM isn't* good, in fact I'm excited as hell for the new album, it was all the potential for being the best DT album ever. But speaking of "tainted" legacy is just plain unnecessary. MP's influence and setting on the band will always be there one way or another, so will MM, and so KM, DS and CD, they have all been DT, and I'm pretty sure the bandmembers would be the first ones to say so.
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Mastermax0213...I get that you're new here. That's why I'm only going to give you a week off to figure out if you can be part of this community without attacking members of the community and bashing the bands former members. Should you decide to come back and play by the rules, please make sure you intimately familiarize yourself with them before posting again. Next time, there won't be a next time. See you in a week.
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And it proves my point that Mangini is way better than Portnoy. Give him more years in the band and you will find him bringing more and more to the table. I mean, no one didn't give Portnoy props when WDADU was written, but as years passed, Portnoy gained more respect. That will happen to Mangini as Portnoy's legacy will become tainted and will become a grain of sand among others. Just give them time.
What proves your point? Portnoy's legacy with DT will remain as long as DT's does.
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I'm sorry guys. I feel that an apology would be perfect. I would like to apologize to anyone that I annoyed. I know I'm a noob and sometimes, I just say real crappy stuff. With my over excessive posting and just plain stupid comments, to anyone I have annoyed or ticked off, I am so sorry. For everything. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Love you guys.
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I'm sorry guys. I feel that an apology would be perfect. I would like to apologize to anyone that I annoyed. I know I'm a noob and sometimes, I just say real crappy stuff. With my over excessive posting and just plain stupid comments, to anyone I have annoyed or ticked off, I am so sorry. For everything. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Love you guys.
Oh c'mon Angela, you didn't say anything wrong, he just overreacted to the situation, nobody was really talking about that.
As for anyone with enough authority... could you pleaasee just delete the argue? Can we go back to our ridiculous post about femenine DT?
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What proves your point? Portnoy's legacy with DT will remain as long as DT's does.
Yep, have to agree here. While I feel MM is better for DT in every way, it's silly to say MP will be forgotten. He's played on most of their albums, and especially on the last few he is impossible to ignore because his presence is so strong. Not to mention we still have these conversations 5 years after he left, so...
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I'm sorry guys. I feel that an apology would be perfect. I would like to apologize to anyone that I annoyed. I know I'm a noob and sometimes, I just say real crappy stuff. With my over excessive posting and just plain stupid comments, to anyone I have annoyed or ticked off, I am so sorry. For everything. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Love you guys.
You haven't said anything crappy or annoying in this thread that warrants an apology. I think the problem has sorted itself now.
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I'm sorry guys. I feel that an apology would be perfect. I would like to apologize to anyone that I annoyed. I know I'm a noob and sometimes, I just say real crappy stuff. With my over excessive posting and just plain stupid comments, to anyone I have annoyed or ticked off, I am so sorry. For everything. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Love you guys.
Apology not accepted, as there was no need to apologize to begin with. :)
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I'm sorry guys. I feel that an apology would be perfect. I would like to apologize to anyone that I annoyed. I know I'm a noob and sometimes, I just say real crappy stuff. With my over excessive posting and just plain stupid comments, to anyone I have annoyed or ticked off, I am so sorry. For everything. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Love you guys.
Apology not accepted, as there was no need to apologize to begin with. :)
Please, why are you being too nice? I deserve all this, but I'm flattered you would think so. Thank you....:')
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I'm sorry guys. I feel that an apology would be perfect. I would like to apologize to anyone that I annoyed. I know I'm a noob and sometimes, I just say real crappy stuff. With my over excessive posting and just plain stupid comments, to anyone I have annoyed or ticked off, I am so sorry. For everything. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Love you guys.
I don't see a need for you to be sorry! You didn't do anything wrong at all here (or anywhere else that I have seen).
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Hey CDrice.
You deserve the title of being the absolute ruler of DTF.
Seriously, you should make the forum's backgrounds and that.
Wait...
Maybe you're the guy that replaced Hugh Syme...
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I'm sorry guys. I feel that an apology would be perfect. I would like to apologize to anyone that I annoyed. I know I'm a noob and sometimes, I just say real crappy stuff. With my over excessive posting and just plain stupid comments, to anyone I have annoyed or ticked off, I am so sorry. For everything. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Love you guys.
I don't see a need for you to be sorry! You didn't do anything wrong at all here (or anywhere else that I have seen).
Over excessive posting tends to annoy people. I should stop conplaining. If it didn't annoy you, I should just accept the fact and let it go. Thank you for knocking some sense into me.
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Yes...let it go. :biggrin:
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Argh, now you're making me sing "Let it go!"
I cant help it. I love Frozen. But since this is off topic, I'll stop now. ;)
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Stumbled on this site, haven't had the chance to go over the bands yet. Maybe the female Dream Theater already exists?
https://www.metaladies.com
Oh yeah, in case I haven't answered the original question - if the music is the same, I would love DT in any version - male, female, goat, alien. Whatever.
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Well, to get semi-back on topic, if we're gonna imagine an all female DT, why not make it fun?
Lita Ford should be in there, I think, or does anyone know any female guitarists that can shred like Petrucci?
I can't name a drummer that would fill Mangini's boots, though.
Maybe Laura Harris on bass?
Keys.....dunno.
Vocalist should be a bit easier. Floor Jansen? Liv Kristine?
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I don't want to turn this negative, but am I the only one that isn't all that impressed with Lita Ford? I know I am not as well-versed in her catalogue as I should be to say that, but almost everything I've heard just sounds so... cliché. She's not as metal, but I would take Joan Jett in a HEARTBEAT over Ford, and while I'm not a huge fan of Halestorm either, I would take Lzzy Hale in a heartbeat too.
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I would agree with you personality-wise. But Jett, as great a person as she is, was never a leadguitarist. Just chords. And I only named Ford as a possibillity. Hell, I could've gone with the great Kat, but hell, no one could stand that.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Dude, you win the internet! FTW :metal :metal
Hey CDrice.
You deserve the title of being the absolute ruler of DTF.
You guys shouldn't say things like that. It will just give me more incentive to continue and it's not good for my sanity (and everyone else's)
Seriously, you should make the forum's backgrounds and that.
Wait...
Maybe you're the guy that replaced Hugh Syme...
You're giving me way too much credit. :lol
The fact that I created those monstrosity most likely destroyed all my chances to ever be involved in any way with the band.
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I said it before and I will again, you da man CDrice.
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Keep in mind that if they were a "hot chick band", they'd all be around 50+ by now, which would make for a not quite as hot chick band. :lol
Not necessarily. Those chicks in Stryper are still pretty hot.
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Keep in mind that if they were a "hot chick band", they'd all be around 50+ by now, which would make for a not quite as hot chick band. :lol
Not necessarily. Those chicks in Stryper are still pretty hot.
HaHa, yea. Although if you look at their new video (Pride) it seems like the only "chick" that has aged well is the lead singer :)
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Mike Mangina.
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Mike Mangina.
I almost choked on my chocolate now.
:rollin
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Keep in mind that if they were a "hot chick band", they'd all be around 50+ by now, which would make for a not quite as hot chick band. :lol
(But yes, I am aware that there are plenty of chick musicians that are still looking good at 50)
I was gonna say, Vixen would like a word with you. :lol
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Keep in mind that if they were a "hot chick band", they'd all be around 50+ by now, which would make for a not quite as hot chick band. :lol
Not necessarily. Those chicks in Stryper are still pretty hot.
I've mentioned this before, but I thought James LaBrie kind of looked like Michael Sweet in some of those pictures from the early 90's!
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Mike Mangina.
Eat my peach, blow on my dice
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Keep in mind that if they were a "hot chick band", they'd all be around 50+ by now, which would make for a not quite as hot chick band. :lol
Not necessarily. Those chicks in Stryper are still pretty hot.
Honestly?
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Keep in mind that if they were a "hot chick band", they'd all be around 50+ by now, which would make for a not quite as hot chick band. :lol
Not necessarily. Those chicks in Stryper are still pretty hot.
Honestly?
Well played, sir! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyAkfSapJik
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Johnette Napolitano and Ann Wilson sing circles around 85% of all men in rock/metal bands (and James Mankey can play circles around 75% of the guitar players). Yeah, I get that some of Heart's stuff is a little light weight, but Ann sings her cods off on things like Wait For An Answer, and she brought tears to the eyes of none other than Robert Plant himself when she sang "Stairway To Heaven" at the Kennedy Center Honors.
Thanks for mentioning it.. I hadn't seen DAT.. :'( :hefdaddy
It wasn't only she though.. It was obviously the song, the presence of the honored band and the whole orchestra.. But thanks again!..
About the thread, no, I wouldn't mind either.. If the singer was a woman, while she's as good as James, I'd have no problem.. It would be the same..
I love Nightwish, especially with Tarja, e.g., and I'm myself in a band with a female singer, and they're both great singers, so... It would be hypocritical of me if I'd say I wouldn't like DT if they were all women..
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I'm sorry guys. I feel that an apology would be perfect. I would like to apologize to anyone that I annoyed. I know I'm a noob and sometimes, I just say real crappy stuff. With my over excessive posting and just plain stupid comments, to anyone I have annoyed or ticked off, I am so sorry. For everything. Please find it in your hearts to forgive me. Love you guys.
-Now I know why they say "girls mature faster than boys!" You're 13 and he's 18, but you handled the situation with a lot more class than he did. Like the others have said: you don't owe any of us an apology.
-Also want to say THANK GOD there are some younger people who still listen to REAL MUSIC! It gives me hope to know that everyone under 40 doesn't just listen to "pop" or rap or some of the dreck that passes for rock these days. Maybe there will actually be more bands with real musicians that really know how to play real instruments in the future.
-Regarding the OP's original question and the responses to it: There already are quite a few all-female metal bands, but female participation in prog has been VERY few and VERY far-between, so I DOUBT if there will ever be an "all-girl" PROGRESSIVE rock band.
-I really liked what you said in defense of Portnoy's contribution to the band, Angela. I am getting PUKING sick and DEAD tired of all the people coming on here and not only acting like everything he did for and with the band doesn't count for SHIT, but they practically act like they're lining up to piss on the GRAVE of his tenure with DT! Excuse my harsh language, but like I SAID: I'm SICK of it! But I also want to say that Mike Mangini seems like a really nice guy as well as being a very talented musician, so I DON'T mean to take anything AWAY from what he and the band have done together. I AM glad that they were able to find someone worthy of filling Portnoy's VERY big shoes drumming-wise.
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Actually, there's tons and tons of "real music" out there in the present day, if you think otherwise you probably haven't looked hard enough.
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Actually, there's tons and tons of "real music" out there in the present day, if you think otherwise you probably haven't looked hard enough.
Well, maybe you and I just have different tastes in music. It's hard for me to explain, but I guess I want something that is different enough that I can say it isn't just a clone of a band that I already like, but familiar enough that it doesn't stray too far from what I'm used to. Otherwise, anything post-DT doesn't really interest me all that much.
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Why does it have to prog to be good chaossystem?
Why limit yourself? Seems silly.
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I didn't say it had to be prog. Unless you consider AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Metallica, among others to be prog.
In fact I don't even listen to bands like ELP, Genesis, Kansas, Alan Parsons, Pink Floyd, Yes, etc. as much as I used to, but I still have a lot of respect for those bands and their musicianship.
But these days I guess you could say I'm more of a (classic) "metal-head!"
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-I really liked what you said in defense of Portnoy's contribution to the band, Angela. I am getting PUKING sick and DEAD tired of all the people coming on here and not only acting like everything he did for and with the band doesn't count for SHIT, but they practically act like they're lining up to piss on the GRAVE of his tenure with DT! Excuse my harsh language, but like I SAID: I'm SICK of it! But I also want to say that Mike Mangini seems like a really nice guy as well as being a very talented musician, so I DON'T mean to take anything AWAY from what he and the band have done together. I AM glad that they were able to find someone worthy of filling Portnoy's VERY big shoes drumming-wise.
I CAPITALISE words for EMPHASIS so it looks DRAMATIC & like it MEANS something more than it ACTUALLY does.
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-I really liked what you said in defense of Portnoy's contribution to the band, Angela. I am getting PUKING sick and DEAD tired of all the people coming on here and not only acting like everything he did for and with the band doesn't count for SHIT, but they practically act like they're lining up to piss on the GRAVE of his tenure with DT! Excuse my harsh language, but like I SAID: I'm SICK of it! But I also want to say that Mike Mangini seems like a really nice guy as well as being a very talented musician, so I DON'T mean to take anything AWAY from what he and the band have done together. I AM glad that they were able to find someone worthy of filling Portnoy's VERY big shoes drumming-wise.
I CAPITALISE words for EMPHASIS so it looks DRAMATIC & like it MEANS something more than it ACTUALLY does.
Ass-kissing was the most prevalent thing I noticed about that guy, but that's annoying too
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-I really liked what you said in defense of Portnoy's contribution to the band, Angela. I am getting PUKING sick and DEAD tired of all the people coming on here and not only acting like everything he did for and with the band doesn't count for SHIT, but they practically act like they're lining up to piss on the GRAVE of his tenure with DT! Excuse my harsh language, but like I SAID: I'm SICK of it! But I also want to say that Mike Mangini seems like a really nice guy as well as being a very talented musician, so I DON'T mean to take anything AWAY from what he and the band have done together. I AM glad that they were able to find someone worthy of filling Portnoy's VERY big shoes drumming-wise.
If you don't like the way I express myself, just ignore my posts!
No one is forcing you to read any of them!!
I CAPITALISE words for EMPHASIS so it looks DRAMATIC & like it MEANS something more than it ACTUALLY does.
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-I really liked what you said in defense of Portnoy's contribution to the band, Angela. I am getting PUKING sick and DEAD tired of all the people coming on here and not only acting like everything he did for and with the band doesn't count for SHIT, but they practically act like they're lining up to piss on the GRAVE of his tenure with DT! Excuse my harsh language, but like I SAID: I'm SICK of it! But I also want to say that Mike Mangini seems like a really nice guy as well as being a very talented musician, so I DON'T mean to take anything AWAY from what he and the band have done together. I AM glad that they were able to find someone worthy of filling Portnoy's VERY big shoes drumming-wise.
I CAPITALISE words for EMPHASIS so it looks DRAMATIC & like it MEANS something more than it ACTUALLY does.
If you don't like the way I express myself, just ignore my posts!
No one is forcing you to read any of them!!
1) Learn to syntax
2) Is a freekin joke m8
3) No u
4) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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-I really liked what you said in defense of Portnoy's contribution to the band, Angela. I am getting PUKING sick and DEAD tired of all the people coming on here and not only acting like everything he did for and with the band doesn't count for SHIT, but they practically act like they're lining up to piss on the GRAVE of his tenure with DT! Excuse my harsh language, but like I SAID: I'm SICK of it! But I also want to say that Mike Mangini seems like a really nice guy as well as being a very talented musician, so I DON'T mean to take anything AWAY from what he and the band have done together. I AM glad that they were able to find someone worthy of filling Portnoy's VERY big shoes drumming-wise.
I CAPITALISE words for EMPHASIS so it looks DRAMATIC & like it MEANS something more than it ACTUALLY does.
Ass-kissing was the most prevalent thing I noticed about that guy, but that's annoying too
Would you have liked it better if I had said that I hated everything she said, and that I thought Mangini sucked, and that I was calling for a demand that Portnoy be back in the band??
It's called TACT and DIPLOMACY! You might want to TRY it sometime, instead of being so quick to call someone who is at least TRYING to find the right words an "ass-kisser!"
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-I really liked what you said in defense of Portnoy's contribution to the band, Angela. I am getting PUKING sick and DEAD tired of all the people coming on here and not only acting like everything he did for and with the band doesn't count for SHIT, but they practically act like they're lining up to piss on the GRAVE of his tenure with DT! Excuse my harsh language, but like I SAID: I'm SICK of it! But I also want to say that Mike Mangini seems like a really nice guy as well as being a very talented musician, so I DON'T mean to take anything AWAY from what he and the band have done together. I AM glad that they were able to find someone worthy of filling Portnoy's VERY big shoes drumming-wise.
I CAPITALISE words for EMPHASIS so it looks DRAMATIC & like it MEANS something more than it ACTUALLY does.
Ass-kissing was the most prevalent thing I noticed about that guy, but that's annoying too
Would you have liked it better if I had said that I hated everything she said, and that I thought Mangini sucked, and that I was calling for a demand that Portnoy be back in the band??
It's called TACT and DIPLOMACY! You might want to TRY it sometime, instead of being so quick to call someone who is at least TRYING to find the right words an "ass-kisser!"
DINKY DURR!
Get madder, strain harder, and spray more shit into your underwear.
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Would you have liked it better if I had said that I hated everything she said,
Reverse extreme argument. You're assuming that because he's against one extreme, then he must support the opposite.
and that I thought Mangini sucked, and that I was calling for a demand that Portnoy be back in the band??
Wanting someone to rehire someone in their band is by no means so irrational that the question should become rhetorical, in which case, it's an opinion.
It's called TACT and DIPLOMACY!
No it isn't. Agreeing with one side while contributing nothing else to the discussion =/= Attempting to manage the conflict rationally & respectfully to both sides. Your blatant overemotional approach to this whole situation just proves that that couldn't be further from the truth & you're being narcissistic if you think that expressing an opinion will automatically resolve a conflict peacefully.
You might want to TRY it sometime, instead of being so quick to call someone who is at least TRYING to find the right words an "ass-kisser!"
So because of the synonyms you use, that strengthens your point? What?
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Would you have liked it better if I had said that I hated everything she said,
Cr
Reverse extreme argument. You're assuming that because he's against one extreme, then he must support the opposite.
and that I thought Mangini sucked, and that I was calling for a demand that Portnoy be back in the band??
Wanting someone to rehire someone in their band is by no means so irrational that the question should become rhetorical, in which case, it's an opinion.
It's called TACT and DIPLOMACY!
No it isn't. Agreeing with one side while contributing nothing else to the discussion =/= Attempting to manage the conflict rationally & respectfully to both sides. Your blatant overemotional approach to this whole situation just proves that that couldn't be further from the truth & you're being narcissistic if you think that expressing an opinion will automatically resolve a conflict peacefully.
You might want to TRY it sometime, instead of being so quick to call someone who is at least TRYING to find the right words an "ass-kisser!"
So because of the synonyms you use, that strengthens your point? What?
-I'm not on one side or other of the "Mike vs. Mike" debate, because, so far, I think both drummers are equally qualified to play with DT.
-I think it IS somewhat irrational to want Portnoy to be "'re-hired" back into DT, because it is almost certainly never going to happen. I just said what I said because I get sick of what seems to be the attitude of so many people on here, which is that his time with the band didn't seem to COUNT for anything in the band's history.
-I don't expect to "resolve the conflict peacefully" because I am aware of the fact that both sides will never agree with each other, and that I am probably in the minority for seeing the situation the way I do, and that neither side will probably agree with my take on it. But I still have a right to state that opinion, as long as I don't do it in an insulting or degrading way, which is what you and your Voivod buddy are doing to me. And I think I've been a LOT more respectful to you boys than you have been to me.
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I don't think anyone is taking this seriously. Lighten up, you giant piss-baby. :P
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I don't think anyone is taking this seriously. Lighten up, you giant piss-baby. :P
"piss-baby". Well, that's a new one!
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I don't think anyone is taking this seriously. Lighten up, you giant piss-baby. :P
Does that make you feel like a big man?
You better hope the MODERATORS aren't paying attention to your eloquent words of wisdom, Mr. Rhodes scholar!
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If these argues are going to continue over the original joking and childish nature of the post, I'd rather have this thread locked, really, it's no use.
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-I'm not on one side or other of the "Mike vs. Mike" debate, because, so far, I think both drummers are equally qualified to play with DT.
That directly contradicts you saying "& that I thought Mangini sucks" as an example of something that would lead your question to an extreme, leading it to be rhetorical.
-I think it IS somewhat irrational to want Portnoy to be "'re-hired" back into DT, because it is almost certainly never going to happen.
Not really. I think that if you were in a situation that left you extremely vunerable, wishing for an easier solution wouldn't be completely out of reason. Desire is pretty much like an emotion: you may not get everything you want out of it, but it doesn't do any harm to let it out once in a while. Imagine that situation but on a much lesser scale & that's what I'm talking about.
I just said what I said because I get sick of what seems to be the attitude of so many people on here, which is that his time with the band didn't seem to COUNT for anything in the band's history.
That's what you said in your response to Angela, but not the statement I replied to, as stated above.
-I don't expect to "resolve the conflict peacefully" because I am aware of the fact that both sides will never agree with each other,
Yet you paid large emphasis on you using TACT & DIPLOMACY, in which the latter is defined as "the art of dealing with people in a sensitive and tactful way", which kind of implies aiming to achieve a peaceful result.
and that I am probably in the minority for seeing the situation the way I do, and that neither side will probably agree with my take on it.
Your post was essentially saying the direct opposite of the person who got temporarily banned. I think you're being a little too melodramatic on this one.
But I still have a right to state that opinion,
No-one is saying you don't.
as long as I don't do it in an insulting or degrading way, which is what you and your Voivod buddy are doing to me.
Hey, I (& I'm assuming Nothingface too) was/were doing it that way for the sake of comedy (hence my use of the green text). Even then, I was at least making a point through my light-hearted joking. If you're honestly that offended at me saying "no u", then I'd wonder who should be calling who the "boys" in this situation.
And I think I've been a LOT more respectful to you boys than you have been to me.
Refer to the quote above: "you & your Voivod buddy".
& one more thing:
Would you have liked it better if I had said that I hated everything she said,
Cr
What was this? I didn't write that.
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I don't think anyone is taking this seriously. Lighten up, you giant piss-baby. :P
Does that make you feel like a big man?
You better hope the MODERATORS aren't paying attention to your eloquent words of wisdom, Mr. Rhodes scholar!
The mods are asleep, your ass is mine, boyo!
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Sorry, Nancy. My gate doesn't swing that way!
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Sorry, Nancy. My gate doesn't swing that way!
Geez, that's embarrassing. Your posts come across as aggressively homoerotic, and I thought you were just playing hard-to-get. :blush
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If that's how you're interpreting my posts, I think that says more about YOU than it does about ME...
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If that's how you're interpreting my posts, I think that says more about YOU than it does about ME...
How else is a person supposed to interpret literal ALL CAPS RAGE, taking the Internet seriously, and whining like a big girl?
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"yeshaberto is viewing this thread"
we're all fucked
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"yeshaberto is viewing this thread"
we're all fucked
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MQDZSRBH--/jh83hwgdfhfwx4guuseo.jpg)
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Nothingface, I've warned you a couple of times already and you don't seem to get it. We expect people to act respectfully here. Have a week off. If, in a week, you're able to abide by the rules, then you're welcome to be part of the community. If you can't, then you'll be gone permanently.
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If these argues are going to continue over the original joking and childish nature of the post, I'd rather have this thread locked, really, it's no use.
You're right.
I, for one, am sorry, and I was just thinking about posting a message saying that we should get back on-topic.
I was trying to get these kids to back off, and I guess I just got carried away.
But I DID say in that first post that I don't think there will ever be an "all-girl" prog band. But that's mostly because the interest just doesn't seem to be there.
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Please, end this thread, before something else happens, I beg you.
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*Getting in one last post before the thread closes.*
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*Getting in one last post before the thread closes.*
If it even does.
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Whoa, what happened here.
I was expecting more photoshop and funny band member names.
By the way, about female guitarists, how about Lori Linstruth (Guilt Machine, Stream of Passion)? She's pretty prog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtiqmx4bOGA
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Yeah, cleanup on isle 13 required.
Damn, how could I forget about Lori? She would fit the bill, certainly!
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I just read the whole thread because I thought it could be funny but that was just 4 pages of crap. 2 too funny pictures from CDrice ( :clap: ) but overall c'mon guys and girls, don't be assholes.
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prog band
interest just doesn't seem to be there.
This pretty much said it, for my tastes.
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Mike Mangina.
James LaBra
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Mike Mangina.
James LaBra
Jordan Modess
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Nothingface and chaossystem, you guys got off easy. If I had gotten to this before ariich, it would have been a perm ban for Nothingface and another temp ban for chaossystem with a warning that ANY infraction in the future, no matter how minor, would result in a perm. But @chaossystem, I appreciate that you eventually backed off, and that is noted.
Now back "on topic," such as it is.
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prog band
interest just doesn't seem to be there.
This pretty much said it, for my tastes.
Are you saying that you have little or no love for progressive rock?
I think you misquoted me.
The point I was trying to make is that FEMALE musicians don't seem to have much interest in creating this kind of music.
Sure, you can dig really deep and find a few ladies who play and/or sing something other than pop, metal or country, but even if the amount of female metal bands is only about 5 or 10 per cent-and I'm not saying it isn't HIGHER than that-it at least APPEARS that the number of women who have any interest in keeping the progressive flame alive is less than ONE per cent.
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Yup. Very true. But that being said, there are female musicians (primarily vocalists) who are involved in some bands that do have some progressive leanings, even if you might not really classify them as true prog rock or prog metal bands. Personally, I make somewhat of a separation between symphonic and/or power metal on one hand vs. prog metal on the other hand. The distinction is valid because the former draws most of its non-metal influence from classical whereas the latter tends to draw more from jazz. However, there is still considerable overlap, and many symphonic or power metal bands have plenty of progressive elements, and many of those have female vocalists who are heavily involved in the songwriting. So there are some out there. And those are sure to have an influence on other female musicians. So it would not surprise me to eventually see an all-female prog band, or at least a prog band that has several female players. But again, your overall point largely stands and cannot really be disputed.
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I've always thought it was strange that bands that have a classical influence are considered "power metal" (a term I've always hated) but not progressive, but progressive bands are considered to be jazz-influenced.
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Most female voices in prog music I don't like. The all are too whispery for my liking. I would love to hear a voice like Ann Wilson singing in a prog band.
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Yup. Very true. But that being said, there are female musicians (primarily vocalists) who are involved in some bands that do have some progressive leanings, even if you might not really classify them as true prog rock or prog metal bands. Personally, I make somewhat of a separation between symphonic and/or power metal on one hand vs. prog metal on the other hand. The distinction is valid because the former draws most of its non-metal influence from classical whereas the latter tends to draw more from jazz. However, there is still considerable overlap, and many symphonic or power metal bands have plenty of progressive elements, and many of those have female vocalists who are heavily involved in the songwriting. So there are some out there. And those are sure to have an influence on other female musicians. So it would not surprise me to eventually see an all-female prog band, or at least a prog band that has several female players. But again, your overall point largely stands and cannot really be disputed.
After Forever and its spiritual successor, ReVamp, both kind of toe the line between Symphonic/Power and Progressive Metal.
Most female voices in prog music I don't like. The all are too whispery for my liking. I would love to hear a voice like Ann Wilson singing in a prog band.
Floor Jansen (of the two aforementioned bands) can do it all. She also covered Heart's "Alone," admittedly not Heart's most rocking song. The fact that she wasn't used even close to her capabilities on the last Nightwish was extremely disappointing.
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Most female voices in prog music I don't like. The all are too whispery for my liking. I would love to hear a voice like Ann Wilson singing in a prog band.
I cannot stand wimpy whispery breathy "just woke up" female singers.
I much prefer female singers like Tori Amos or Pj Harvey who belt it out a bit more.
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I agree.
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I've always thought it was strange that bands that have a classical influence are considered "power metal" (a term I've always hated) but not progressive, but progressive bands are considered to be jazz-influenced.
I think it is just the history of how the sub-genres evolved. "Power metal" (I'm just using the established term) grew out of metal that just had heavy classical influences. "Progressive metal" basically fused together progressive rock and metal, and progressive rock grew out of rock that infused a jazz influence. Those early prog bands were just doing things that was associated with jazz, so that is how the sub-genre came to be. It's not so much about drawing lines as it is just observing how these two branches of the same tree grew in similar, but slightly different directions.
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prog band
interest just doesn't seem to be there.
This pretty much said it, for my tastes.
Are you saying that you have little or no love for progressive rock?
I think you misquoted me.
The point I was trying to make is that FEMALE musicians don't seem to have much interest in creating this kind of music.
Sure, you can dig really deep and find a few ladies who play and/or sing something other than pop, metal or country, but even if the amount of female metal bands is only about 5 or 10 per cent-and I'm not saying it isn't HIGHER than that-it at least APPEARS that the number of women who have any interest in keeping the progressive flame alive is less than ONE per cent.
Yes, I purposely selectively quoted you, because I'm not a prog fan. :lol
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while I'm not a huge fan of Halestorm either, I would take Lzzy Hale in a heartbeat too.
Oh, you can bet I would take Lzzy Hale in a heartbeat as well ;D
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Daddys back!
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This was the best thread I made here, unfortunately it derailed into senseless arguing which involved 2 bans, would have liked to have more images and fun stuff, CDrice was god in that.
Either way, would you still have DT as an all girl band? :rollin
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Nah! I really like my metal masculine! :yarr :metal Heart was great, but still....
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Uh, I don't think I ever apologized for being kind of a dick back then. :|
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This thread should be bumped once every year or 2!! I have read through every page and argument and couldn't be more entertained. I'm literally LOL'ing! :rollin
This is some great stuff. Thanks to all who participated :tup :tup :tup :tup
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Let's have North Central Positronics clone Floor Jansen five times... that'd be a line-up worth seeing.
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I read through this whole thing yesterday...good lord what a mess :lol
I'm cool with Floor on vocals, also I wouldn't be against Kala Rose (that's the little girl that covered Pull Me Under a few years back, she's 17 now and sings like a fucking goddess)... for guitar let's go with Nita Strauss, and on drums the only answer would be Senri Kawaguchi. Don't know of any bassist or keyboardist off the top of my head.
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If DT was an all girl band, they could be called Dream Sheater. :natalieportman:
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There's nothing quite like reading through an thread full of chaossystem posts. Such inspiring enthusiasm.
DT as an all girl band would probably generate some creepy underground cult following, where they're worshiped and given sacrifices of livestock on a regular basis.
I guess they'd sound pretty cool too.
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If DT was an all girl band, they could be called Dream Sheater. :natalieportman:
:lol :lol :lol
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If DT were an all girl band, "Eat my ass and balls" might be confusing. Wait a minute (wo)man, that's not how it is...
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This thread brings back memories. Not sure if they're good ones, but still :lol
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I wonder how many young teen girls they'd inspire :lol