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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Donmac1989 on November 19, 2015, 01:50:59 PM
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Like the title says, this will be what is known as Nugget Corner. Basically what it will be for is to post what little snippets or references to other songs that are in a Dream Theater song. For instance, the intro to Peruvian Skies sounds like Metallica's Bleeding Me. I'd love to hear yalls feedback on this topic and to see what y'all post.
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All I can think of is that there's the Jingle Bells part in Octavarium
And also 4:45 to 4:55 in Home sounds just like a riff from another song, but I can't remember which one it is...
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The keyboard melody at the end of You Not Me (starting at about 4:04) is the same as the guitar melody in Raise the Knife (starting at about 7:50 on the Score version).
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Time stamp for the Jingle Bells part? I know there are countless references to other songs in Octavarium (heck, Full Circle is comprised entirely of them), but I've never heard Jingle Bells.
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17:46
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Don't see how you couldn't have heard that, it's not like a hidden thing. It's literally four bars of full on jingle bells.
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Wow! OK. Never associated that bit with Jingle Bells before. You learn something new every day. :lol
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All I can think of is that there's the Jingle Bells part in Octavarium
And also 4:45 to 4:55 in Home sounds just like a riff from another song, but I can't remember which one it is...
46 & 2 by Tool ?
I might be thinking of The Great Debate.
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Wow! OK. Never associated that bit with Jingle Bells before. You learn something new every day. :lol
I think they even show Jordan transform into Santa Claus on the video playing in the background on Score.
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Wow! OK. Never associated that bit with Jingle Bells before. You learn something new every day. :lol
I think they even show Jordan transform into Santa Claus on the video playing in the background on Score.
Yes it's hilarious. I laugh every time I see cartoon JLB in that video.
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The TDS riff (dagadagada, daga - daga -- dagadagada, daga - daga - BAM... you know the one) is very similar to a riff in the song 'Noose' by Ark from the album Burn the Sun. Not sure if that was an intentional nod or just coincidence. The riff rules in both cases though. :metal
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I swear that I hear 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic' being sung on one channel near the end of 'In The Name of God' ;)
OK, seriously, maybe it's just me:
The Dark Eternal Night chorus....'Drifting beyond all time, out of a churning sky, drawn to the beckoning light'
Genesis, Land of Confusion: 'This is the world we live in, and these are the hands we're given, use them and let's start trying...'
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All I can think of is that there's the Jingle Bells part in Octavarium
And also 4:45 to 4:55 in Home sounds just like a riff from another song, but I can't remember which one it is...
46 & 2 by Tool ?
I might be thinking of The Great Debate.
Nope that's not it :lol
If you have a chance, go and listen to it. I'm sure you'll figure it out :biggrin:
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All I can think of is that there's the Jingle Bells part in Octavarium
And also 4:45 to 4:55 in Home sounds just like a riff from another song, but I can't remember which one it is...
46 & 2 by Tool ?
I might be thinking of The Great Debate.
You are, I never really noticed that until then though!
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I swear that I hear 'The Battle Hymn of the Republic' being sung on one channel near the end of 'In The Name of God' ;)
Yes, it is!
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Don't see how you couldn't have heard that, it's not like a hidden thing. It's literally four bars of full on jingle bells.
I never noticed until you guys just pointed it out!
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If you have a chance, go and listen to it. I'm sure you'll figure it out :biggrin:
:getoffmylawn:
Isn't that same part on a song in A Dramatic Turn of Events ?
EDIT : 3:52 in Outcry.
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I always though the last section of Learning to Live was very Rush-like; I'll listen again to get the exact song.
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Through Her Eyes = End of the Innocence by Don Henley
She never really had a chance
On that fateful moonlit night
Sacrificed without a fight
A victim of her circumstance
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Rush's Natural Science, DT's The Great Debate, Sacrificed Sons and ITPOE all have a riff in common, or very likely close...
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Has anybody else felt the similarity between the intro to Learning to Live and Jethro Tull's Cup of Wonder?
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Every time I hear Outcry and BAI together, I hear very clear similarities between both, however, for some reason, I find them hard to describe.
Anyone?
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https://youtu.be/ZJ-epzgRjzo?t=6m27s
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https://youtu.be/hMu7XUc9OcI?t=3m6s
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For nuggets, I don't know if people mentioned it at the time, but when I first heard The Enemy Inside (when they streamed it) and it got to the bridge, it was like Deja-vu. It sounds very similar to parts of Prophets Of War and Never Enough (coincidentally both Muse-like songs)
Anyone else noticed?
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Well, there's a very similar riff between Misunderstood and AROP if that hasn't been mentioned yet.
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Has anyone noticed the Pull Me Under ends abruptly?
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https://youtu.be/ZJ-epzgRjzo?t=6m27s
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https://youtu.be/hMu7XUc9OcI?t=3m6s
"Holy Carmine"
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Wow! OK. Never associated that bit with Jingle Bells before. You learn something new every day. :lol
I think they even show Jordan transform into Santa Claus on the video playing in the background on Score.
Santa Claus wishes
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For nuggets, I don't know if people mentioned it at the time, but when I first heard The Enemy Inside (when they streamed it) and it got to the bridge, it was like Deja-vu. It sounds very similar to parts of Prophets Of War and Never Enough (coincidentally both Muse-like songs)
Anyone else noticed?
As you already mentioned Never Enough, it has much in common with Stockholm Syndrome by Muse in terms of the structure of both songs which led me personally (as a Muse and DT-fan) to call Never Enough the "musically more complex version of Stockholm Syndrome" (in this case I still prefer the Muse song however).
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The main riff of The Mirror sounds just like the riff in The Death of Balance-Lacrymosa by Symphony X... wait... that doesn't work.
However the clean parts of Endless Sacrifice resembles a Michael Jackson song. I just don't remember what's the title.
Edit: The Michael Jackson song is Give in to me
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I guess this is as good a post to talk about this as any...
Does anybody else remember the PSX game ZERO DIVIDE? Sorry for the caps. It felt like it.
There's a song on it that eerily predates Never Enough (muse aside) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyBnN96o80c
And there's this one, which, while not being similar to a specific song in DT's catalogue, certainly makes me feel like the composer of the soundtrack at least heard of them. What do y'all think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUyXX70vwlg
Especially with this second song, I get chills thinking of the JP and JR solos. If the drums were flashier I'd mistake this for a dream theater demo!
Would love to know what you guys think of this, hahah
EDIT: in order for the second song to fit more into the theme of the thread, the part with the "guitar" and "keyboard" solos surely sounds a bit like the solo exchange part between players in Metropolis!
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As you already mentioned Never Enough, it has much in common with Stockholm Syndrome by Muse in terms of the structure of both songs which led me personally (as a Muse and DT-fan) to call Never Enough the "musically more complex version of Stockholm Syndrome" (in this case I still prefer the Muse song however).
I call Prophets of War "Wherever I May Muse" ;D still, I like the song.
Oh, and add me to the list of people that never ever noticed Jingle Bells in Octavarium!
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Don't see how you couldn't have heard that, it's not like a hidden thing. It's literally four bars of full on jingle bells.
I never noticed until you guys just pointed it out!
I still can't hear it.
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As pointed out on a Queen forum eons ago, the beginning synth of 'Surrounded' is similar to the beginning of 'Father to Son'.
'Misunderstood' and 'Fatal Tragedy' have parts that sound as if Brian May were playing.
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The riff at 4:41 in Sacrificed Sons sounds a lot like the riff starting at 0:46 in In the Presence of Enemies Part 1.
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The riff at 4:41 in Sacrificed Sons sounds a lot like the riff starting at 0:46 in In the Presence of Enemies Part 1.
As I said before, This riff sounds really close to The Great Debate @ 11:20 and Rush's Natural Science @ 2:20 as well...
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Not sure if this counts as a nugget but it's always been my favorite, 1st track on SFAM when he's counting down you hear a very quick snippet of "Home" followed by a more obvious one from "Spririt Carries On". Always thought that was the coolest.
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From DT12, looking glass=limelight rush, and behind the veil=creeping death Metallica
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Surrounded = Symphony X's Through the Looking Glass. Most blatant riff copy I've heard. And there's a riff in their song Revelation that is very close to the root of all evil
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Surrounded = Symphony X's Through the Looking Glass. Most blatant riff copy I've heard. And there's a riff in their song Revelation that is very close to the root of all evil
Lolwutt
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Surrounded = Symphony X's Through the Looking Glass. Most blatant riff copy I've heard. And there's a riff in their song Revelation that is very close to the root of all evil
Lolwutt
I'm not sure I understand. It's not as if Surrounded had been written before Through the Looking Glass.
Also I'm surprised to see many people who had not pick up the Jingle Bells part in Octavarium. I'm usually very bad at finding nuggets like that, but I thought this one was very evident.
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Surrounded = Symphony X's Through the Looking Glass. Most blatant riff copy I've heard. And there's a riff in their song Revelation that is very close to the root of all evil
I saw sx live and they started playing that everyone went nuts I thought they were gonna cover dt. Did they write it 1st?!
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No. Surrounded is older than Symphony X itself.
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I'm not sure if anyone has said this before me, but 7:17 on This Dying Soul sounds like the verses to Blackened by Metallica. Pretty sure that was done on purpose as a tribute . . . both songs rock :metal
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Surrounded = Symphony X's Through the Looking Glass. Most blatant riff copy I've heard. And there's a riff in their song Revelation that is very close to the root of all evil
Through the Looking Glass's from '98's Twilight in Olympus, do you mean Symphony X blatantly copying Surrounded?
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I'm not sure if anyone has said this before me, but 7:17 on This Dying Soul sounds like the verses to Blackened by Metallica. Pretty sure that was done on purpose as a tribute . . . both songs rock :metal
Yeah this one was very obvious to me aswell, I can basically spell out every single note of Blackened so it wasn't that hard.
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Thought it was pretty obvious :lol That's why I said "I'm not sure if anyone has said this before me" ;D
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Not sure if this counts as a nugget but it's always been my favorite, 1st track on SFAM when he's counting down you hear a very quick snippet of "Home" followed by a more obvious one from "Spririt Carries On". Always thought that was the coolest.
Nice one.. I've never noticed that..
About the thread per se, it reminded me of this one: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44393.0
If I have to post something in this thread, I better quote myself from it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7qXHjxj_0 sounds like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikSPzB-I_W4
Animations - Lost in Infinity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ua9WHOqmfw
Bridges in the Sky (7:15) reminds me of Final Fantasy 8 "The Landing" AKA Dollet Theme invasion (0:51).
:lol Nice one..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqsQ9Njhsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDfAfY_r30
After these 2 videos, I think we can call it a day. Originally, there was a part 3 I think, Idk where is it now though.
Fun vids.. I've made a couple like those long time ago, though they weren't only about DT, but also many other bands..
I say this all the time, and almost no one believes me, but the beginning of Peruvian Skies pretty much IS the beginning of Bleeding Me by Metallica.
In fact I'd believe that.. That's the first comparison I've made in these videos.. (The video also shows similar solos of Rata Blanca/Pink Floyd and Wither/Bohemian Rhapsody..)
https://goo.gl/IEIHHh
Since I'm on it.. This one has at the beginning one that I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet: The Glass Prison and In My Darkest Hour from Megadeth..
https://goo.gl/DFS0xA
And, finally, this one has mostly DT/Symphony X's comparisons, where, this time, the DT songs precede the other band's..
https://goo.gl/xRkMQW
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That quote from me wasn't meant to be serious :lol it's actually the same song, Three Days Grace covered MJ. But they do both sound like Endless Sacrifice if that's what you mean.
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Surrounded = Symphony X's Through the Looking Glass. Most blatant riff copy I've heard. And there's a riff in their song Revelation that is very close to the root of all evil
Through the Looking Glass's from '98's Twilight in Olympus, do you mean Symphony X blatantly copying Surrounded?
To clear anything up. yes, I meant Symphony X copying the surrounded intro almost identically!, I knew it came after surrounded, just didn't word it very well :lol :lol
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That quote from me wasn't meant to be serious :lol it's actually the same song, Three Days Grace covered MJ. But they do both sound like Endless Sacrifice if that's what you mean.
Yeah, I know.. :lol I was just using your comment to mention another song intro very similar to Endless Sacrifice besides Give Into Me..
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I think I figured out why The Enemy Inside sounded so familiar the first time I heard it:
The first half of the bridge is very similar to the opening verse of Prophets Of War, (then it develops similarly too for that part)
The end of the bridge "And no magic pill.." sounds a bit like "where do you belong" from Anna Lee.
And the guitar solo sounds like The guitar solo from OTBOA
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Yeah those two solos always sound similar to me as well . . . maybe JP thought it needed improvement from the last record? :lol
Not that I would have thought that though ;)
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I don't think this is a nugget but I got my second copy of Sex and Religion by Vai a few months ago and while listening to it, I noticed that the album had (at times) remarkable characteristics similar to Falling Into Infinity by DT.
Who think S&R was a big influence (probably on Petrucci) when writing FII?
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There's one point in Seventh Wonder's Mercy Falls that sounds super similar to Overture 1928, can't remember where exactly though, I'll timestamp if I find it.
EDIT: Apparently a commenter also noticed and timestamped it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALg1_BBBz6s#t=55m55s)
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There's one point in Seventh Wonder's Mercy Falls that sounds super similar to Overture 1928, can't remember where exactly though, I'll timestamp if I find it.
EDIT: Apparently a commenter also noticed and timestamped it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALg1_BBBz6s#t=55m55s)
Yeah, :lol, and seconds after (56:20) there's a riff very similar to Home's..
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Yeah, I always noticed this little Overture-homage part, I always want to sing "there must be the third and last dance" here. And Home part too of course.
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
Oh man that is classic!!! :lol :lol :lol
Leave it to the always clever Dream Theater . . .
I wonder who was the first one to figure that out? ;D
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
What the hell... OK this is going crazy :corn
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
What the hell... OK this is going crazy :corn
Nothing new, really!
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
Oh man that is classic!!! :lol :lol :lol
Leave it to the always clever Dream Theater . . .
I wonder who was the first one to figure that out? ;D
I was, with a tip of the hat to DarrylRevok who thought it sounded like Morse code. I received Portnoy's boxers from Breakdown In Berlin as a congratulatory gift. ;)
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
Wait, is this even true? You're kidding, right?
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It's true. It's well known at this point.
Between 5:51 and 6:07 of the song "In the Name of God", there was a hidden composition buried beneath the far louder sounds of the song itself which lay undiscovered for over a year and a half. The band did not tell anyone that a hidden "nugget" (as it became known amongst Dream Theater fans) was present in the song, and only when Mike Portnoy mentioned it in his Mike Portnoy: Live at Budokan Drum-Cam DVD over a year later did someone find it. The Mike Portnoy message board was rife with fans scouring the song looking for what it might be, until a fan going by the pseudonymous name "DarrylRevok" mentioned that from 5:51 to 6:07 there appeared to be morse code audible, which Nick Bogovich (user handle "Bogie") isolated and discovered that when translated to English, the phrase "eat my ass and balls" (a Mike Portnoy catchphrase) was the result.[10]
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
Wait, is this even true? You're kidding, right?
He's not. It's the original nugget.
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
Wait, is this even true? You're kidding, right?
He's not. It's the original nugget.
It's the nugget that spawned the nugget album.
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The band did not tell anyone that a hidden "nugget" (as it became known amongst Dream Theater fans) was present in the song, and only when Mike Portnoy mentioned it in his Mike Portnoy: Live at Budokan Drum-Cam DVD over a year later did someone find it.
To be fair, I doubt very seriously that JM or JLB even knew about it. JP may have, since he was one of the producers, but IIRC, this was very much a last-minute thing by MP and JR.
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The band did not tell anyone that a hidden "nugget" (as it became known amongst Dream Theater fans) was present in the song, and only when Mike Portnoy mentioned it in his Mike Portnoy: Live at Budokan Drum-Cam DVD over a year later did someone find it.
To be fair, I doubt very seriously that JM or JLB even knew about it. JP may have, since he was one of the producers, but IIRC, this was very much a last-minute thing by MP and JR.
My recollection backs up your recollection, that it was last minute thing that only JR and MP knew of.
I'm sure it would take all of a minute to find MP's post on his forum with this information, but meh. :lol
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The screams following gunshots from Finally Free at around 04:30 can also be heard in Big Ego's at 02:10 from the album 2001 by Dr Dre.
Albums were also released 3 weeks apart. Assume this is a standard stock sound.
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The screams following gunshots from Finally Free at around 04:30 can also be heard in Big Ego's at 02:10 from the album 2001 by Dr Dre.
Albums were also released 3 weeks apart. Assume this is a standard stock sound.
All of the sound effects on SFAM are stock. Those girl screams in particular have been used so many places. :lol I think the gasp sound effect might even be from the same set used in Goldeneye 64.
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Never paid it that much attention really, it was other night lifting weights with 2001 playing and I recognised it immediately.
Now I will need to go hunting for it elsewhere like the Wilhelm scream.
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Never paid it that much attention really, it was other night lifting weights with 2001 playing and I recognised it immediately.
Now I will need to go hunting for it elsewhere like the Wilhelm scream.
Don't forget castle thunder while you're at it! I laugh every time I heard that one in movies, because it's such an awful and distinctive sound effect.
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Good call :lol
I love to have meaning in my life
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Some stuff I realized:
I think Petrucci once said that the similarity between Trial Of Tears and In The Dead Of Night was on purpose and that the solo was supposed to be a Alan Holdsworth homage.
I find these two parts have similar harmonic progressions:
The Shaman's Trance (Bridges In The Sky) - 2:55
Fatal Tragedy - 2:24
Also, the main theme from SDOIT reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBMsulQMqm8 - 3:34
The beginning of The Root Of All Evil ist very similar to Pink Floyd's Welcome To The Machine, ESPECIALLY the Score version.
This is not really a nugget, but since it's been talked about already: Cutting off Pull Me Under and the reverse sounding solo in Misunderstood are two techniques The Beatles used in I Want You (She's So Heavy) and I'm Only Sleeping.
Solitary Shell reminds me a lot of Solsbury Hill, because of the similar names and the 7/4.
Anyone noticed the last, VERY quiet piano note at the end of In The Name Of God? (this one is kinda obvious, ik)
And of course, Octavarium:
The intro is clearly a homage to Shine On You Crazy Diamond.
6:35 sounds a lot like Bohemian Rhapsody to me.
9:05 has a similar harmonic progression like Anna Lee.
11:40 is referring to Echoes by Pink Floyd (like already Phantom Of The Opera did)
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The band did not tell anyone that a hidden "nugget" (as it became known amongst Dream Theater fans) was present in the song, and only when Mike Portnoy mentioned it in his Mike Portnoy: Live at Budokan Drum-Cam DVD over a year later did someone find it.
To be fair, I doubt very seriously that JM or JLB even knew about it. JP may have, since he was one of the producers, but IIRC, this was very much a last-minute thing by MP and JR.
My recollection backs up your recollection, that it was last minute thing that only JR and MP knew of.
I'm sure it would take all of a minute to find MP's post on his forum with this information, but meh. :lol
Oh I love them. I'd love to see MP's post explaining that :rollin
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I think Petrucci once said that the similarity between Trial Of Tears and In The Dead Of Night was on purpose and that the solo was supposed to be a Alan Holdsworth homage.
I'm sure it was intentional - it was just done before the common complaint from the fans was "you've stolen this from x band".
I mean, DT had even covered In The Dead of Night at the uncovered show at ronnie scotts.
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Ultimate nugget: In "In The Name Of God" from 5:51-5:59 (and repeating again from 5:59-6:07) in the right channel, you can hear a faint clicking sample being played. This is "EATMYASSANDBALLS" in Morse code.
Oh man that is classic!!! :lol :lol :lol
Leave it to the always clever Dream Theater . . .
I wonder who was the first one to figure that out? ;D
I was, with a tip of the hat to DarrylRevok who thought it sounded like Morse code. I received Portnoy's boxers from Breakdown In Berlin as a congratulatory gift. ;)
You've been credited on the wiki entry for years. Well done, sir.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_of_Thought_(Dream_Theater_album)
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The beginning of The Root Of All Evil ist very similar to Pink Floyd's Welcome To The Machine, ESPECIALLY the Score version.
And of course, Octavarium:
The intro is clearly a homage to Shine On You Crazy Diamond.
6:35 sounds a lot like Bohemian Rhapsody to me.
9:05 has a similar harmonic progression like Anna Lee.
11:40 is referring to Echoes by Pink Floyd (like already Phantom Of The Opera did)
I think WTTM intro is totally intentional, was it confirmed as the Octavarium intro? Also, the reversed guitar can be heard even on SOYCD.
They listened a lot to Pink Floyd for that album, as well as SFAM, hope they did it again for TA...
Solitary Shell reminds me a lot of Solsbury Hill, because of the similar names and the 7/4.
Always thought about it.
I would add that Hollow years kinda sounds like Fragile by Sting
Edit: I just found this interview https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qe-0ngV25Fg at 3.08 seems like I'm right
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I also think those things are intentional!
But I can't see any similarities between Hollow Years an Fragile..
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Totally not Dream Theater related but felt like pointing out the clean parts of This Love from Pantera sounds like the clean part of Phantom Lord by Metallica.
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I always thought Stream of Conciouseness was an homage to Orion by Metallica. :metal
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I always thought Stream of Conciouseness was an homage to Orion by Metallica. :metal
I always thought of Train of Thought as being an overall Metallica tribute.
As I Am is kinda like Enter Sandman in it's structure. But nowhere near as blatant as Avenged Sevenfold's Shepherd Of Fire :eek :lol :eek
Check it out if you haven't heard it. it *even* does the spoken word bit in the middle and then goes up a tone when it comes back in :lol So Bad.
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Wow, never heard that song. Pretty blatant!
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I always thought Stream of Conciouseness was an homage to Orion by Metallica. :metal
I always thought of Train of Thought as being an overall Metallica tribute.
I seem to recall that ToT was inspired by their performance of Master of Puppets, and they wanted to record an album full of similarly high energy metal songs?
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Lol I just love how it's almost all Metallica nuggets we're posting here :-) But to be fair can anyone name a more inspirational band other than Metallica?
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I always thought Stream of Conciouseness was an homage to Orion by Metallica. :metal
I always thought of Train of Thought as being an overall Metallica tribute.
As I Am is kinda like Enter Sandman in it's structure. But nowhere near as blatant as Avenged Sevenfold's Shepherd Of Fire :eek :lol :eek
Plus the TDS Blackened melody.
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Lol I just love how it's almost all Metallica nuggets we're posting here :-) But to be fair can anyone name a more inspirational band other than Metallica?
The Beatles ?
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Wow, never heard that song. Pretty blatant!
If you haven't heard " This Means War " either - check it out. So funny.
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I always thought Stream of Conciouseness was an homage to Orion by Metallica. :metal
I always thought of Train of Thought as being an overall Metallica tribute.
I seem to recall that ToT was inspired by their performance of Master of Puppets, and they wanted to record an album full of similarly high energy metal songs?
Yes - they noticed the crowd reacted positively to their heavier songs and wanted to do a whole album like that.
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Hey I like Shepherd of Fire :( but This Means War is pretty shite.
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Lol I just love how it's almost all Metallica nuggets we're posting here :-) But to be fair can anyone name a more inspirational band other than Metallica?
Already mentioned the Beatles, but also Led Zeppelin. There are far more Page/Plant clones than there are Hetfield/Hammett clones (and no dis; I'm a huge Hetfield fan).
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Lol I just love how it's almost all Metallica nuggets we're posting here :-) But to be fair can anyone name a more inspirational band other than Metallica?
Already mentioned the Beatles, but also Led Zeppelin. There are far more Page/Plant clones than there are Hetfield/Hammett clones (and no dis; I'm a huge Hetfield fan).
No dis either, I am a huge Zep fan, but Page & co. also stole a lot themselves!
I know lots of people compare ToT to Metallica, but I honestly never saw any similarities there. I also like Metallica, but they could never write a song like Stream Of Consciousness, sorry.
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Lol I just love how it's almost all Metallica nuggets we're posting here :-) But to be fair can anyone name a more inspirational band other than Metallica?
The Beatles ?
I just spit my water on my desk.
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Solitary Shell reminds me a lot of Solsbury Hill, because of the similar names and the 7/4.
I'm sure Setlist Scotty or Wey can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the working title for Solitary Shell was Salisbury Steak, for obvious reasons.
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I've been listening to Voivod (who I love dearly), a song called 'mercury' and half way in, I noticed the striking resemblance to the 'secret agent'y' bit from Stream Of Conciousness. Interesting discovery there!
(Phobos by Voivod came out 8? Years before Tot, to note)
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Hey I like Shepherd of Fire :( but This Means War is pretty shite.
:facepalm: Miles better than Planets.
Honestly I'm not a big fan of Metallica so if TOT sounded a lot like them, then why is it my favourite DT album? :justjen
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Yea I could never compare TOT to Metallica aside from a few similarities. Always thought SoC main riff kinda had the same feeling as Call of Ktulu, and As I Am intro kinda feels like Enter Sandman the way it builds up, but the album sounds nothing like Metallica overall.
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I just spit my water on my desk.
You shouldn't.
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Also - how are Beatles not more influential than Metallica ?
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Don't know if it's just me but I always thought that for 8v, the guitar melody of "Someone Like Him" was reminiscent of The Godfather theme. Not to mention the lyrics fit perfectly with the Michael Corleone arc of not wanting to be like his father and then it was "suddenly, the only thing he wanted to become. To be someone just like him"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o
Not a nugget, but Misunderstood and A Rite of Passage share a similar melody.
ACOS has a "Erotomania" theme going on at 2:48
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I've been listening to Voivod (who I love dearly), a song called 'mercury' and half way in, I noticed the striking resemblance to the 'secret agent'y' bit from Stream Of Conciousness. Interesting discovery there!
(Phobos by Voivod came out 8? Years before Tot, to note)
BADASS!!!
Damn, thanks for mentioning that. I really should listen to more mid 90s voivod.
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I've been listening to Voivod (who I love dearly), a song called 'mercury' and half way in, I noticed the striking resemblance to the 'secret agent'y' bit from Stream Of Conciousness. Interesting discovery there!
(Phobos by Voivod came out 8? Years before Tot, to note)
Do you have timestamps for both songs? I checked out the song on Youtube and couldn't hear anything resembling SOC, and I'm not sure which bit of SOC is secret agent-y. :lol
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I found another nugget randomly today jamming to Metallica and it sounds like Dream Theater did like a rendition of Dirty Window for the This Dying Soul ending riff.
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Found a really awesome nugget today whilst listening through A Dramatic Turn Of Events
Starting at 4:07 in Beneath The Surface, the main theme of The Ministry of Lost Souls can be heard on background strings
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Found a really awesome nugget today whilst listening through A Dramatic Turn Of Events
Starting at 4:07 in Beneath The Surface, the main theme of The Ministry of Lost Souls can be heard on background strings
True, but just a little part. To me, it sounds more like the same pattern/progression used on the background music than an intended nugget.
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I always thought these guitar parts sounded very similar:
Learning to Live starting at 6:29 (leading up to JLB's big F#) and Rush's Entre Nous at 2:52.
Also, non DT-related: The arpeggio from Rush's Xanadu is the same as that from Sweet Child O' Mine, with the last note removed and in 7/8 time.
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Near the beginning of Xanadu? Didn't sound too similar to me beyond the basic sound arpeggios have, but I was only skimming, since I don't know/like Rush.
While we're here, has anyone found a musical connection in These Walls, Never Enough or Sacrificed Sons to tie it to the title track? TROAE has the outro, TALW has the string melody etc, IWBY and PA both have musical tie-ins, but I haven't found anything in those three other songs. Maybe there's not one, but it took me so long to find the IWBY connection, that I've been wondering for a while now if there are others I've missed.
It's the nugget album, and I consider these musical nuggets.
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Near the beginning of Xanadu? Didn't sound too similar to me beyond the basic sound arpeggios have, but I was only skimming, since I don't know/like Rush.
Yeah, its the part that fades in near 2:00 and continues with the guitar part for most of the intro.
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It's taken me about 20 years to realise that JP plays part of a Star Wars tune in the Voices intro from Once in a Livetime.
Always knew it was familiar, just couldn't place it. :lol
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Take the Time:
"Close your eyes, you can find all you need in your mind."
Just Let Me Breathe:
"Just close your mind, you can find all you need with your eyes."
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At first i thought this was about all-white chicken nuggets at McDonalds...... ;D
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I always thought Stream of Conciouseness was an homage to Orion by Metallica. :metal
I always thought of Train of Thought as being an overall Metallica tribute.
As I Am is kinda like Enter Sandman in it's structure. But nowhere near as blatant as Avenged Sevenfold's Shepherd Of Fire :eek :lol :eek
Check it out if you haven't heard it. it *even* does the spoken word bit in the middle and then goes up a tone when it comes back in :lol So Bad.
Actually, isn't Pull Me Under just Enter Sandman + Roundabout? :-\
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I've been listening to Voivod (who I love dearly), a song called 'mercury' and half way in, I noticed the striking resemblance to the 'secret agent'y' bit from Stream Of Conciousness. Interesting discovery there!
(Phobos by Voivod came out 8? Years before Tot, to note)
Do you have timestamps for both songs? I checked out the song on Youtube and couldn't hear anything resembling SOC, and I'm not sure which bit of SOC is secret agent-y. :lol
Damn, almost been two years! but:
2:50 in the Voivod
5:23 in the Dream Theater
Pay attention to the bass, listen on headphones or speakers :tup
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It'd be a cool nugget if in Illumination Theory, the 'A soldier for his country, a junkie for the high, teachers for their students' part was like SDOIT and each line references a part of the song
Also another Octavarium nugget: In the song, 'Signs Of The Time', the line at the end of each chorus is sung to the melody of "You're gonna shiiiiine" from The Answer Lies Within, but in a minor key. I believe this to be a calculated choice, as songwriter Mike Portnoy knew he was gonna shine in the future.
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The "I had gotten used to being a soul destroyed" part of Lie (the riff especially), feels like a deliberate reference to Tool. For some reason, I keep noticing fragments of Tool references everywhere (particularly Undertow/Aenima) now, even though I'm not a Tool fan or anything. :D
(Lie is a fucking awesome song too)
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ANTR two notes: (instr ver W/O solos) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WEgqwDfd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WEgqwDfd0)
8:07 - Electric Wizard style riff? (appears other numerous times obviously)
8:35 is like - 2:40 in Lie
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ANTR two notes: (instr ver W/O solos) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WEgqwDfd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WEgqwDfd0)
8:35 is like - 2:40 in Lie
Never noticed that one before, the riff is almost the same :o
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The "I had gotten used to being a soul destroyed" part of Lie (the riff especially), feels like a deliberate reference to Tool. For some reason, I keep noticing fragments of Tool references everywhere (particularly Undertow/Aenima) now, even though I'm not a Tool fan or anything. :D
There's a lot of Tool infuence in "Honor Thy Father".
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The "I had gotten used to being a soul destroyed" part of Lie (the riff especially), feels like a deliberate reference to Tool. For some reason, I keep noticing fragments of Tool references everywhere (particularly Undertow/Aenima) now, even though I'm not a Tool fan or anything. :D
There's a lot of Tool infuence in "Honor Thy Father".
Don't forget The Great Debate.
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The "I had gotten used to being a soul destroyed" part of Lie (the riff especially), feels like a deliberate reference to Tool. For some reason, I keep noticing fragments of Tool references everywhere (particularly Undertow/Aenima) now, even though I'm not a Tool fan or anything. :D
There's a lot of Tool infuence in "Honor Thy Father".
Don't forget The Great Debate.
Home as well, but it's surprising too see that the Tool influence goes back as far as Awake, I never noticed it before! :eek
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I've been listening to Voivod (who I love dearly), a song called 'mercury' and half way in, I noticed the striking resemblance to the 'secret agent'y' bit from Stream Of Conciousness. Interesting discovery there!
(Phobos by Voivod came out 8? Years before Tot, to note)
Well it's obviously because they are both influenced by Thrak :laugh:
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10:17 in The Count Of Tuscany is Knights Of Cydonia, in guitar solo form :o
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Aprox 1:30 in The Great Debate, listen to the drums (with the drum stick on the side of the snare - can't remember term)
Then listen to the opening rhythm of "The Real Thing" by Faith No More.
Is that an intentional reference? ;D
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So the pattern continues considering there was no live album to astonishing unfortunate as that may be. Fingers crossed for one to Distance of Time.
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(Not sure if some were mentioned before, btw)
-ANTR thunder effect is used also in Steven Wilson's Happy Returns
-A melody in Sacrificed Sons during the last part (God on high and all that) is pretty similar to the Dark Master melody in ITPOE, pt 2.
-Illumination Theory drum-roll intro is pretty much identical to the one in 6DOIT (in I. Overture)
-When the "backing track" gets heavy/epic during the solo in BAI, JP plays a lick that resembles Star Wars' Force Theme (also, the solo and section is quite similar to the one in LITS)
-Enigma Machine has a section that is similar to one in in TCOT (before the Ambient part starts)
-Talking about TCOT, its Ambient-y sction is similar to one in the Coma Divine version of Porcupine Tree's The Sky Moves Sideways (around 4:00)
-Misunderstood's outro is really similar to King Crimson's Level Five (5:00 onwards)
-The Path That Divides at 3:26 has a melody that sounds like Fatal Tragedy (just when the chorus ends), followed by a vocal part that reminds me of Finally Free ("as their bodies lie still")
(I hope I understood the point of this thread, lol)
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So the pattern continues considering there was no live album to astonishing unfortunate as that may be. Fingers crossed for one to Distance of Time.
I'm assuming that you're referencing the pattern on live releases that follows piano keys with the black keys being a live release - or something like that. Where is that? I remember seeing it but can't find it now.
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So the pattern continues considering there was no live album to astonishing unfortunate as that may be. Fingers crossed for one to Distance of Time.
I'm assuming that you're referencing the pattern on live releases that follows piano keys with the black keys being a live release - or something like that. Where is that? I remember seeing it but can't find it now.
Yeah. I made that string a long time ago. Not too sure if it's still up.
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Update: that string is here
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44900.0
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-The Path That Divides at 3:26 has a melody that sounds like Fatal Tragedy (just when the chorus ends), followed by a vocal part that reminds me of Finally Free ("as their bodies lie still")
That's a good one.. Never heard it until now..
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Update: that string is here
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44900.0
I love how the first post forgets to actually explain his idea, confusing everyone :lol
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-The Path That Divides at 3:26 has a melody that sounds like Fatal Tragedy (just when the chorus ends), followed by a vocal part that reminds me of Finally Free ("as their bodies lie still")
That's a good one.. Never heard it until now..
I don’t think that’s quite a nugget, just a coincidence.
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The arpeggio run in the untethered angel solo is identical to moment of betrayals, they both come in at the same part of the solo too (Bar-wise) It might be in a different key though. As a whole feel the song is very similar, especially the little break just before the solo...
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-The Path That Divides at 3:26 has a melody that sounds like Fatal Tragedy (just when the chorus ends), followed by a vocal part that reminds me of Finally Free ("as their bodies lie still")
That's a good one.. Never heard it until now..
I don’t think that’s quite a nugget, just a coincidence.
Yeah, obviously.. Still, not easy to find two melodies that are almost the same in DT songs that aren't supposed to be similar..
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-The Path That Divides at 3:26 has a melody that sounds like Fatal Tragedy (just when the chorus ends), followed by a vocal part that reminds me of Finally Free ("as their bodies lie still")
That's a good one.. Never heard it until now..
I don’t think that’s quite a nugget, just a coincidence.
Yeah, obviously.. Still, not easy to find two melodies that are almost the same in DT songs that aren't supposed to be similar..
This. Something that amazes me about DT (well, one of A LOT of things) is that they have such a broad catalog, but still their melodic lines and riffs don't sound similar/repetitive with each other.
There's a few bands out there that have just a couple albums out and some of their songs sound like they just re-did the melodic line or riff from a previous song. Hell, even SOA with just one album had Alive and Coming Home with almost the same exact chorus :lol
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-The Path That Divides at 3:26 has a melody that sounds like Fatal Tragedy (just when the chorus ends), followed by a vocal part that reminds me of Finally Free ("as their bodies lie still")
That's a good one.. Never heard it until now..
I don’t think that’s quite a nugget, just a coincidence.
Yeah, obviously.. Still, not easy to find two melodies that are almost the same in DT songs that aren't supposed to be similar..
This. Something that amazes me about DT (well, one of A LOT of things) is that they have such a broad catalog, but still their melodic lines and riffs don't sound similar/repetitive with each other.
There's a few bands out there that have just a couple albums out and some of their songs sound like they just re-did the melodic line or riff from a previous song. Hell, even SOA with just one album had Alive and Coming Home with almost the same exact chorus :lol
Of course, that’s natural. I am a composer and often HATE myself for subliminal shit that I listen back to a hundred times and say “FUCK, I did that already!
So funny that you brought up SoA as I was just listening to that again today and it is so obvious what MP brought to DT, I mean that in a good way too, as I really like that album as it has some killer riffs and timing, but lacks the depth of the rest of DT members....as always,JMO.
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What MP brought to the table, judging by the SOA album: making songs longer, adding disjointed instrumental sections and a lot of "aaaaaahhhhhhhh"s with vocal harmonies :lol
To be fair, the album isn't that bad, I've just turned it into an EP by getting rid of the songs I don't like at all, it makes for a much better experience.