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Title: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 09, 2015, 06:52:38 AM
So I think we are few that's looking forward to Fallout 4 so instead of clogging up the ordinary game thread let's just start it's own thread.

The review embargo have been dropped now so reviews are pouring in and from what I can tell it's looking really good:


9.5/10
https://www.polygon.com/2015/11/9/9648824/fallout-4-review-xbox-one-PS4-PC

9/10
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/fallout-4-review/1900-6416306/

10/10
https://www.gamereactor.eu/reviews/363713/Fallout+4/

9/10
https://www.gamecrate.com/reviews/review-fallout-4-makes-everything-you-love-about-fallout-games-even-better/12098

9.5/10
IGN Video review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-1h373RYDc)


I have pre-loaded the game on steam and can't wait for tomorrow!

Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: jonnybaxy on November 09, 2015, 07:08:09 AM
I've been waiting so long for this!! So excited!  :corn
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nekov on November 09, 2015, 07:40:01 AM
It's being released tomorrow? :dangerwillrobinson:

I'll wait to get this until I come back from my vacation but boy I'm so excited for this. Fallout is about the only game outside of sports games that really interests me.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 09, 2015, 07:47:11 AM
Already pre-ordered, can't wait to play tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 09, 2015, 08:53:29 AM
Very excited!

I don't even know if I'll be able to play it properly. My RAM and graphics card are powerful enough but my processor is below the "minimum requirements" noted on Steam. Hopefully it'll run ok on lower settings!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 09, 2015, 09:26:29 AM
I think you might be fine, it's a modified SkyRim engine so hopefully.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 09, 2015, 09:34:59 AM
Yeah I mean the graphics look vastly upgraded from Skyrim (which my PC runs absolutely fine) so if the engine is basically the same then it should, in theory, run fine on milder graphics settings.

We'll see. I've been thinking when I might want to upgrade anyway, so if necessary I could always do so sooner than planned. :P
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2015, 09:47:33 AM
I need to pre-download when I get home tonight, pre-purchased the game and the season pass for a nice discount.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: jonnybaxy on November 09, 2015, 09:53:36 AM
I noticed the season pass and I don't actually understand what it's for...
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 09, 2015, 10:00:25 AM
Yea one of the critiques I heard about F4 is that it's sometimes graphically evident that it's running on old tech and even certain animations from Skyrim are re-hashed in F4. What i'm saying is that if you can run Skyrim on good settings I think you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2015, 11:01:19 AM
I noticed the season pass and I don't actually understand what it's for...

Its a one time payment for all the DLC.  If you plan on buying all of the DLC it is worth the price as it is cheaper than buying it all individually.  In the past I have done this for these types of games so it makes sense for me (buy all of the DLC, I don't think they offered a season pass for the past games).
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 09, 2015, 11:57:00 AM
https://fo4countdown.com/

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Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on November 09, 2015, 12:08:14 PM
Going to midnight release tonight and I'm stoked, even though I've never played the series before.

My dilemma is this, I had to dedicate all my time off to a cruise next week, so I didn't get to take a day off like I normally would for a midnight release.

Do I simply stay up anyway and go to work with no sleep, or manage to get home, sleep, go to work, and wait till after to play.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2015, 12:12:14 PM
My coworker and I just had this discussion.  He goes "how many people do you think will take tomorrow off?"  My response was I don't see why anyone should take off or anything.  The game is too big to play in one day so what's the point of taking time off work?  (not that it was Nick's question). 

Remember you need to install the game and maybe download updates.  It will take time.  I personally would set it up to install and what not and wait until tomorrow ( I am assuming you are playing console since you are going to a release).

For me, I have my steam code so I plan on pre-downloading tonight but won't play until tomorrow.  I think I need to be up at 5am tomorrow so its not worth losing sleep over.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dimitrius on November 09, 2015, 12:34:10 PM
Lowest score I've seen is a 7.5, my hype could not be hype-er!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on November 09, 2015, 12:43:33 PM
For me there is an unusual factor of going on vacation on the 14th. So I want as much time in as possible before I'm without the game for a week.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 09, 2015, 12:46:17 PM
Yea one of the critiques I heard about F4 is that it's sometimes graphically evident that it's running on old tech and even certain animations from Skyrim are re-hashed in F4. What i'm saying is that if you can run Skyrim on good settings I think you'll be fine.
Schweet, fingers crossed! I run Skyrim on pretty much the highest settings and it's fine.

I noticed the season pass and I don't actually understand what it's for...

Its a one time payment for all the DLC.  If you plan on buying all of the DLC it is worth the price as it is cheaper than buying it all individually.  In the past I have done this for these types of games so it makes sense for me (buy all of the DLC, I don't think they offered a season pass for the past games).
For me, I'm very unlikely to be interested in playing the DLC when it's first released. So I'm not going to bother with the season pass, and if any of the DLCs are particularly interesting (the couple of big add-ons they usually do are the only ones I'm normally interested in) I might get them further down the line when I fancy a second play-through of the game. That's what I did with Skyrim.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Chino on November 09, 2015, 12:49:04 PM
I noticed the season pass and I don't actually understand what it's for...

It's a shakedown. Don't support that business model!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 09, 2015, 12:49:58 PM
By the way, I've never done a pre-load before (last game I bought at release was Skyrim, which was on PS3 as I didn't have a proper graphics card back then). How does it work? Do we install and then just unlock tomorrow, or is there more that needs to be done tomorrow?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2015, 12:52:41 PM
I noticed the season pass and I don't actually understand what it's for...

It's a shakedown. Don't support that business model!

Its only a shakedown if you don't play the DLCs (which I have fallen for before :cough: call of duty :cough:  but Fallout games get the value with the DLC.  And if you mean a shake down on a bigger scale, well that ship has already sailed. 

By the way, I've never done a pre-load before (last game I bought at release was Skyrim, which was on PS3 as I didn't have a proper graphics card back then). How does it work? Do we install and then just unlock tomorrow, or is there more that needs to be done tomorrow?

As far as I know, there is nothing more to do.  Let the download go and tomorrow or at midngiht tonight you should just be able to play although they could through in an immediate update.  Not sure honestly.

For me there is an unusual factor of going on vacation on the 14th. So I want as much time in as possible before I'm without the game for a week.

Makes sense then, bring it with you lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 09, 2015, 01:08:16 PM
By the way, I've never done a pre-load before (last game I bought at release was Skyrim, which was on PS3 as I didn't have a proper graphics card back then). How does it work? Do we install and then just unlock tomorrow, or is there more that needs to be done tomorrow?

As far as I know, there is nothing more to do.  Let the download go and tomorrow or at midngiht tonight you should just be able to play although they could through in an immediate update.  Not sure honestly.
Cool, thanks.

Other noob question: are pre-load downloads often really sporadic? I briefly had a high download speed but since then it's mostly been low speeds and then periods of not downloading at all. And my connection is fine so it's not that.

EDIT: Never mind, found a fix: https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/3rvrnz/fallout_4_preload_stops_every_minute_or_two/
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2015, 01:19:18 PM
Makes sense, without reading that link I had thought the same thing.  It's just a lot of people are downloading so the speeds are going to be sporadic.  The suggestion of using the closest server eliminates the physical latency.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nekov on November 09, 2015, 01:35:59 PM
Going to midnight release tonight and I'm stoked, even though I've never played the series before.

My dilemma is this, I had to dedicate all my time off to a cruise next week, so I didn't get to take a day off like I normally would for a midnight release.

Do I simply stay up anyway and go to work with no sleep, or manage to get home, sleep, go to work, and wait till after to play.

I'm waiting until I get back and given how much time this game requires to finish I'd recommend you do the same. I'd also recommend you play Fallout 3 or Fallout Vegas before .
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 09, 2015, 01:44:43 PM
Makes sense, without reading that link I had thought the same thing.  It's just a lot of people are downloading so the speeds are going to be sporadic.  The suggestion of using the closest server eliminates the physical latency.
Yeah the UK servers are clearly a bit dodgy or overloaded at the moment. Whereas using the Indian server, I'm currently getting the best download speeds I've literally ever got on anything ever. Just doesn't make sense! :lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 09, 2015, 01:59:26 PM
I have my copy pre-loaded already however I've been traveling all day. I should probably take a nap and wake up at midnight so I can at least knock out an hour of the game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on November 09, 2015, 02:41:53 PM
My copy's about an hour away locationwise, and it looks like UPS is the one who'll be delivering it soooooo things are very possible right now.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 09, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
I will be pre-downloading as soon as I get home from work in about 2 hours.

I have been told to work from home tomorrow though so..... I don't see why I can't play on my PC while "doing work" on my laptop
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on November 09, 2015, 06:29:34 PM
The wait between now and when I get off work tomorrow night to play this is going to absolutely suck.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dr. DTVT on November 09, 2015, 08:01:42 PM
Fallout 2 is still the best Fallout.

I'm not going to get to play this for a while, so I'm just going to wait until I have time, and maybe the price will come down.  :'(
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: PuffyPat on November 09, 2015, 08:23:38 PM
i pre ordered the pip boy edition so long ago, so hopefully the wait from now until tmrw won't suck that hard. the thing that does suck is that i work 1230-9 the next couple days, and won't be able to play until at least thursday.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2015, 12:19:54 AM
Ok, the pre-load required some sort of update that took me about 40 mins so am glad I got up early to set it going. It's all ready to play now, so I'll be making a start as soon as I get home from work tonight. :D
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 10, 2015, 03:57:26 AM
My download is ready to play, I will get it going today while I work from home, but I do have some work I need to do first
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 10, 2015, 03:36:17 PM
Got a couple of hours in this evening, taking my time and really soaking it in. It's wonderfully atmospheric so far, and the music is fantastic.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 10, 2015, 09:11:30 PM
Got a couple of hours in this evening, taking my time and really soaking it in. It's wonderfully atmospheric so far, and the music is fantastic.

This!

The music is really killer. This game will take a while for me to play through since I don't have much time to game but I'm enjoying every minute so far.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Lynxo on November 11, 2015, 02:42:40 AM
I'm glad to see all those positive reviews. I will eventually get this and probably love it just as much as you guys. :tup
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 03:05:55 AM
Played for a few hours last night, must say its essentially a new fallout 3.  Not that that is a bad thing, but the graphics aren't much improved from that and the gameplay is exactly the same so far. 
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 11, 2015, 03:50:09 AM
Yea it's very much Fallout 3 part 2 and that of course is not a bad thing depending on who you ask. I enjoy the game very much, I have some gripes about the game so far though but i've only played for a couple of hours so I will wait before I say anything.

I will say though that I don't understand why some devs like to put frame lock on the PC version. I can understand on consoles but one of the benefits of playing on a PC is to HAVE the ability to push graphical fidelity. Yea you can turn it off by tweaking files but I would rather not have a cap at all, I just don't see the point. I mean to have above 60 fps is only for the better right?

Some say that the frame lock is to hide the fact that the game engine is tied to the framrate....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4EHjFkVw-s

That means that everything literally moves faster with higher fps. Don't worry, this only effects people with frame lock turned off!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 04:13:02 AM
My rig is actually struggling a bit with smooth gameplay, but based on some feedback, it does not appear to be my rig but the game itself.  I dont believe I am the only one with choppy game play.  Its not a smooth as it should be even if I turn down the graphics to low settings (it automatically detects I should be able to play on high) or when I use Nvidea to optimize the settings.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 11, 2015, 04:16:29 AM
I assume you have the latest driver?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 04:18:17 AM
I assume you have the latest driver?

I need to check that again, I think there is a new driver out now, but my nvidia experience app was giving me an error trying to download it.  That's where I left off last night before going to bed.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 11, 2015, 04:23:03 AM
Ohh ok, yea there's a new driver aimed towards Fallout 4 so defenitely check that out. Set your framerate counter ON in Geforce Exp. and see what fps you get.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 05:31:04 AM
Well luckily I am working from home this morning so I checked this out... I am getting a very solid 30fps and I upgraded the driver of my graphics card as well.  Definitely less choppy now (I probably should have checked out the fps before I did the upgrade to compare  :facepalm:).  I will say I am still not impressed with the graphics.  They aren't bad, but its not up to par with the other latest releases. But as long as the choppiness is gone (which it appears to be) then I am satisfied because the game is still very fun.

Edit to add my specs:

GTX 770
i7-2600k Quad Core at 3.4GHz
12GB RAM
Using 1080p 60Hz monitor

which is slightly less than the recommended specs, but way more than minimum.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 11, 2015, 09:24:06 AM
Played for a few hours last night, must say its essentially a new fallout 3.  Not that that is a bad thing, but the graphics aren't much improved from that and the gameplay is exactly the same so far. 
I've seen this said in a lot of places but I don't understand it. I'm only playing on mid-highish settings and the graphics look so much nicer than the previous Fallout games and Skyrim. Everything is rounder and smoother, and the character design and animation are a big step up. A big part of that is the lighting which adds so much to the atmosphere.

I assume you have the latest driver?

I need to check that again, I think there is a new driver out now, but my nvidia experience app was giving me an error trying to download it.  That's where I left off last night before going to bed.
The Nvidia experience software almost never manages to download and install driver updates. I always go to the Nvidia website, download from there and install manually, works every time (I also use the Nvidia experience to check that the version number I'm downloading is correct).
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 09:56:44 AM
Played for a few hours last night, must say its essentially a new fallout 3.  Not that that is a bad thing, but the graphics aren't much improved from that and the gameplay is exactly the same so far. 
I've seen this said in a lot of places but I don't understand it. I'm only playing on mid-highish settings and the graphics look so much nicer than the previous Fallout games and Skyrim. Everything is rounder and smoother, and the character design and animation are a big step up. A big part of that is the lighting which adds so much to the atmosphere.

I assume you have the latest driver?

I need to check that again, I think there is a new driver out now, but my nvidia experience app was giving me an error trying to download it.  That's where I left off last night before going to bed.
The Nvidia experience software almost never manages to download and install driver updates. I always go to the Nvidia website, download from there and install manually, works every time (I also use the Nvidia experience to check that the version number I'm downloading is correct).

Yup, thats the first time it failed for me, but the website route worked and improved the game... however I stand by my comments that the graphics are not significant;y better... they definitely are better and the lighting is probably the biggest improvement I noticed, it's just not as good as other games even GTA which was open world ported from the consoles.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 11, 2015, 10:01:48 AM
I'm interested to know what's apparently so different between these games. I appreciate it might be not as amazing as some of the other AAA games that are out these days, but clearly different games have different priorities.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 10:12:20 AM
I'm interested to know what's apparently so different between these games. I appreciate it might be not as amazing as some of the other AAA games that are out these days, but clearly different games have different priorities.

Well sure, I am not really knocking Fallout overall, the game is great so far, it is honestly just lacking a bit in the graphics for a top notch title.  I think maybe its because I cant get it to run higher than 30fps isnt helping either, but I see I am not the only one disappointed with the graphics.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on November 11, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
Graphics while certainly nice aren't up to par with other games that have been released. I've noticed some rough ass textures out in the wilderness on occasion.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 11, 2015, 03:36:34 PM
Fair enough, I guess I don't really buy many brand new games these days but I think it's looking fantastic.

I can see myself getting very addicted to this game. Made my way to Concrord and did the stuff, came back to Sanctuary and now I'm just getting engrossed in building stuff. :lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 03:40:09 PM
I've read some speculation that this game is already pushing the graphical limits of the PS4/XBox1, which if is the case, is very sad for this generation of consoles (xbox 360's graphics got better over time as developers were able to get more out of the hardware), but I am not believing that just yet, might just be some upset people blaming the consoles.  I think over time and patching, this game will look better and if its not bethesda that does that, it will be the modders for PC. 
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 11, 2015, 03:41:44 PM
Fair enough, I guess I don't really buy many brand new games these days but I think it's looking fantastic.

I can see myself getting very addicted to this game. Made my way to Concrord and did the stuff, came back to Sanctuary and now I'm just getting engrossed in building stuff. :lol

What system are you playing on?

Also I did what you just did last night, that was a fun first mission!  However I did not get caught up in building, just went on, but I will definitely go back to that.  Apparently I missed out on getting the dog already, my brother ripped me for missing it on your walk back to Sanctuary... I just didnt notice lol too much to look at.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 11, 2015, 04:29:46 PM
What system are you playing on?
PC, on mid-highish settings

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Also I did what you just did last night, that was a fun first mission!
Yeah, good start on the NPC front and introduction to power armour.

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However I did not get caught up in building, just went on, but I will definitely go back to that.
I haven't made that much progress yet as I don't have any food to plant so need to find some and come back, but I can definitely see it being an addictive element of the game.

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Apparently I missed out on getting the dog already, my brother ripped me for missing it on your walk back to Sanctuary... I just didnt notice lol too much to look at.
I found the dog on the way to Concord first time around, as I went through the Red Rocket area he was loitering. So I had him with me when fighting all the raiders there. So yeah, if you missed him both on the way and on the way back, that's pretty epic fail. :lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 11, 2015, 06:11:29 PM
Interesting thing that I noticed yesterday, the handyman drone that you can have as companion. That thing said my game name yesterday and given I had my real name (Daniel) set I was a bit stunned hearing my real name from the drone.
I checked it out and turns out Bethesda recorded about 1000 real names and if your character has one of those it will call you out by your game handle.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dimitrius on November 11, 2015, 07:48:32 PM
Yep! Codsworth calls me: "Mr. Rockatansky".
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on November 11, 2015, 08:14:57 PM
My friends and I went out to eat a few weeks ago and we were discussing the game. One of them said "You know what they're doing in Boston for the release?" I said "Bombing it?"

It was intended to be a Fallout joke. It came out sounding like a marathon joke.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on November 11, 2015, 08:16:48 PM
PC, on mid-highish settings
What processor do you have? I have a pretty decent machine, but I'm worried my i5-750 won't cut it.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on November 11, 2015, 09:51:42 PM
GUYS

GUYS

GUYS

I totally forgot to mention this. When the game started up for the first time, and you went to the main menu, please tell me I'm not the only one, for a fleeting moment who thought, "HOLY SHIT, THE RAVEN REFUSED TO SING IS IN THIS GAME!".

So close.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2015, 12:03:17 AM
GUYS

GUYS

GUYS

I totally forgot to mention this. When the game started up for the first time, and you went to the main menu, please tell me I'm not the only one, for a fleeting moment who thought, "HOLY SHIT, THE RAVEN REFUSED TO SING IS IN THIS GAME!".

So close.
It totally reminded me of it, yeah, although I thought that when we first heard the music in one of the trailers I think it was.

PC, on mid-highish settings
What processor do you have? I have a pretty decent machine, but I'm worried my i5-750 won't cut it.
My processor is an AMD of some kind, 2.4GHz. Apparently below minimum requirements, but the game is running smoothly. I've got 8GB RAM and GeForce 660 Ti graphics card as well. Think I might actually push my settings higher for now and only bring it down if I get any slowdown in big fights.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2015, 12:03:39 AM
Oh also, is anyone else playing as a female character?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: jonnybaxy on November 12, 2015, 05:59:50 AM
THEY FINALLY ADDED A SPRINT BUTTON!!!!!!!! 

But also... They made the walking speed slow as hell...  >:(
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2015, 06:41:36 AM
Do you mean the normal running speed or the slow walking one? The latter is REALLY slow but I never use that. The normal speed is a bit on the slow side, but basically fine.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 12, 2015, 07:04:55 AM
GUYS

GUYS

GUYS

I totally forgot to mention this. When the game started up for the first time, and you went to the main menu, please tell me I'm not the only one, for a fleeting moment who thought, "HOLY SHIT, THE RAVEN REFUSED TO SING IS IN THIS GAME!".

So close.

I actually thought this too! I restarted the game because I wanted to know what the song reminded me of.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2015, 07:16:03 AM
Do you mean the normal running speed or the slow walking one? The latter is REALLY slow but I never use that. The normal speed is a bit on the slow side, but basically fine.

This, Im not sure what the point in that slowly walking option.  If I want to be quiet I will sneak.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2015, 09:52:41 AM
Do you mean the normal running speed or the slow walking one? The latter is REALLY slow but I never use that. The normal speed is a bit on the slow side, but basically fine.

This, Im not sure what the point in that slowly walking option.  If I want to be quiet I will sneak.
:lol Yeah seriously, why is it even a thing?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 12, 2015, 10:05:33 AM
I got a lot of game time in last night, I find this game fairly difficult.  I struggled getting through some of the early missions but now I'm doing better. Maybe I just need to get some better weapons and what not and tried to do too much too soon. Either way, I was having a blast. 

Experienced nuclear dust storm like weather which was really cool and radiating.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dimitrius on November 12, 2015, 01:45:48 PM
Dude I experienced my first storm last night too, that was neat! I had to fast travel away since I barely could move without being radiated but still, it was cool!

I agree with the difficult-ness too, I'm playing the game on hard since I thought FO3 was very easy and everytime I see a feral ghoul I shit my pants! I've thought about bumping it down to normal and just enjoy the world.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Genowyn on November 12, 2015, 03:13:12 PM
I'm not sure what I think about this game yet.

I find it strange that people are saying the gameplay is like Fallout 3 because...it isn't? They've completely removed the concepts of skills and just replaced it with more perks. What was the point of this exactly? It doesn't feel like my character is developing in a meaningful way.

Why do AAA companies keep removing features for no particular reason? Do they think they will attract more casual players by simplifying the game? No offense if anyone here is one, but why should my gaming experience be watered down to pander to these people?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 12, 2015, 03:54:45 PM
With all the crafting and the absurd number of different perks and levels of perks, I'm really not finding this watered down at all. Just because one feature was removed doesn't mean there's less comlexity.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dimitrius on November 12, 2015, 03:58:19 PM
I do miss that minutiae when leveling up and that I could super specialize in some things, but I don't hate this "streamlined" level system as I thought I would.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: PuffyPat on November 12, 2015, 04:03:23 PM
the one thing that really irks me is the HUD. i hate that it's not those little hashmarks anymore. other than that, there's not much to complain about. i like what they did w/ VATS, the graphics are good, and don't take away from the gameplay. i haven't found a gun i really love yet, but i'm fond of the laser musket even though it kinda sucks.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Genowyn on November 12, 2015, 04:39:04 PM
Admittedly I'm not far enough to do any crafting yet, it would have to be a pretty revolutionary crafting system to afford me the level of character customization they took away.

And maybe it's just me but having a greater variety of dialogue options absolutely trumps having everytging I say voice acted. In fact it sort of annoys me because it takes away my ability to define my own character's voice...

Ultimately my gripe is: let me roleplay, dammit!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 13, 2015, 12:04:12 AM
Yeah I guess everyone will have different preferences. I definitely prefer having a voiced protagonist and it makes everything that much more cinematic and real feeling. Ok there's less variety in the things I say, but I found in the previous Fallout and TES games that it didn't lead to any richer conversation anyway, and multiple options would produce the same response from the NPC.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2015, 03:37:37 AM
I do like the leveling system in that I am not stuck with the SPECIAL that i chose in the beginning, I can now level those up too if wanted. 

The gameplay overall still feels like FO3, that is what people mean, of course there are some changes though.

A big change that I like is that you don't need to search for loot anymore, just look at something and you can see whats there to take.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 13, 2015, 03:39:03 AM
Started yesterday building a 3 storey house. I love building in games like Rust and Space Engineers but it does feel kind of weird building in a Fallout game but it's fun though.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 13, 2015, 03:48:56 AM
Yea, I really like doing a build in fallout.  Not necessarily the greatest and easiest system to use, but its fun.  I built a two story house for now, but I can expand it to a 3 story.  I needed a place to store my loot so thats the main purpose of my house so far (plus a turret on the roof).  So I jut have a cabinet inside with my fat boy and mini gun as well as my power armor chillng in there, but I found a nice loot crate of like 6 fusion cores so I can make good use of the power armor when needed in the future.

Also went back to that first gas station and grabbed the dog that I missed both times I first walked past... I don't think my dog was spawned the first couple times though cause I chilled there fr about 15 minutes before the dog wandered past me.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: jonnybaxy on November 13, 2015, 05:55:48 AM
The one thing I don't like about these kind of games is the fact I spend so much time doing nothing..

I've got about 5 hours game time;

I can probably allocate 3 hours to searching every damn house; 1.5 to building a house and scraping everything in sight; And only about 30 mins doing a quest... 

Do you mean the normal running speed or the slow walking one? The latter is REALLY slow but I never use that. The normal speed is a bit on the slow side, but basically fine.

Im playing on PC and I cant notice a difference between the 2... the sprint is fine though.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 13, 2015, 08:21:51 AM
Im playing on PC and I cant notice a difference between the 2... the sprint is fine though.
There's 3 speeds. You use walking and normal speed by switching between caps lock and sprinting by pressing shift.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 16, 2015, 09:57:06 AM
Been playing for a week now and i'm pretty hooked. I would say I struggled a bit in the beginning getting immersed because honestly I was a bit underwhelmed with the graphics, yea I know it's a shallow thing to judge a game on but as with any Bethesda game once you do get immersed and level up enough you realise the depth of the world they buildt not only the map and detail but all the characters, main/side quests, all the lore nuggets you can find. This time you also have weapon/armor customisation and building system. There's just so many things to do and explore to a level many games never reach. Skyrim was just the same for me, I wasn't blown away with the graphics but once I got immersed it was one of the most beautifully created games i've ever played.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 16, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Agreed, the graphics are a bit underwhelming, and honestly for me, i dont even think the graphics are bad, but the performance is bad.  I still can't get my game to run better than 30fps.  I read the game is capped at 60, but I heard I am not the only one seeing it actually capped at 30.  Not sure why though.  I turned my settings way down to run smoother, which it has but still not great and noticeably poorer than any game I've played in the last couple years.

Anyway, once I got past that then the game is a fuckin blast. I can't put it down.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on November 16, 2015, 06:06:53 PM
Agreed, the graphics are a bit underwhelming, and honestly for me, i dont even think the graphics are bad, but the performance is bad.  I still can't get my game to run better than 30fps.  I read the game is capped at 60, but I heard I am not the only one seeing it actually capped at 30.  Not sure why though.  I turned my settings way down to run smoother, which it has but still not great and noticeably poorer than any game I've played in the last couple years.

Anyway, once I got past that then the game is a fuckin blast. I can't put it down.
What kind of GPU did you have? I read about some tweaks for AMD cards that fixed a lot of issues.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Genowyn on November 17, 2015, 12:00:13 AM
I've made it up to about level 20, still not thrilled with the changes but I'm coping with them.

Nonetheless it's still not quite my Game of the Year, my list is something like

Undertale
Witcher 3
Fallout 4

And then...??? Arkham Knight I guess? If I had a Wii U I imagine Mario Maker would be up there.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dimitrius on November 17, 2015, 03:53:40 AM
Last night after 30+ hours and being at level 20 I finally did the second main quest mission of the game. :lol

Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2015, 05:28:55 AM
Last night after 30+ hours and being at level 20 I finally did the second main quest mission of the game. :lol

 :lol nice, I finally made level 20 myself at about 25 hours of game play.  I am also avoiding the main quests and mostly been clearing areas of ghouls and raiders for the Minute Men... and building up Sanctuary.  I have some nice Cat art on my walls in my house, managed to start getting more settlers, a lovely bell to ring to gather my community, and I have a bath tub full of nuka colas.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 17, 2015, 03:23:55 PM
Agreed, the graphics are a bit underwhelming, and honestly for me, i dont even think the graphics are bad, but the performance is bad.  I still can't get my game to run better than 30fps.  I read the game is capped at 60, but I heard I am not the only one seeing it actually capped at 30.  Not sure why though.  I turned my settings way down to run smoother, which it has but still not great and noticeably poorer than any game I've played in the last couple years.

Anyway, once I got past that then the game is a fuckin blast. I can't put it down.
What kind of GPU did you have? I read about some tweaks for AMD cards that fixed a lot of issues.

Forgot to mention this, I have an EVGA GTX 770.  My brother's low level AMD card (forget what model) makes his game run wayyy smoother than mine and his entire PC is like the downgraded version of mine.  I will see how Star Wars Battlefront performs soon enough to compare. 
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: snapple on November 18, 2015, 08:00:58 AM
While I'm definitely having a great time playing, and have only really done a bunch of side missions, maybe one or two MQ missions, one BoS mission and settlements, I'm not so sure this game is worth the hype its getting. I mean, its a solid 85-91 for me on the 100 scale, and you'll definitely get your $60. I'm just not feeling the scope of the game as very big, and without other factions, towns with personalities and deep, fleshed out lore (a la Elder Scrolls [hey its fair because Bethesda]) I can't really dive into like I did with Skyrim. I just feel like, so far, you can't do as much in this as you could with Skyrim. I can't "live" in the Commonwealth, I don't feel like I can RP in the same way I could with TES or FO3 (sorta).  Within a week of Skyrim being out, I had 80 hours into it. Granted, work has been taking up most of my time for FO4.

I keep wanting to do the MQ, but I'm scared its going to be short and I'm going to be disappointed with the game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 18, 2015, 08:08:29 AM
*minor spoiler*

Side note the map actually stretches further than the borders on the map. The nuclear zone outside the borders are really cool and stretches pretty far. Beware though to take lots of Rad pills with you or even better use power armor otherwise you'll be killed rather quickly if not by radiation by some nasty bug.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2015, 10:07:31 AM
While I'm definitely having a great time playing, and have only really done a bunch of side missions, maybe one or two MQ missions, one BoS mission and settlements, I'm not so sure this game is worth the hype its getting. I mean, its a solid 85-91 for me on the 100 scale, and you'll definitely get your $60. I'm just not feeling the scope of the game as very big, and without other factions, towns with personalities and deep, fleshed out lore (a la Elder Scrolls [hey its fair because Bethesda]) I can't really dive into like I did with Skyrim. I just feel like, so far, you can't do as much in this as you could with Skyrim. I can't "live" in the Commonwealth, I don't feel like I can RP in the same way I could with TES or FO3 (sorta).  Within a week of Skyrim being out, I had 80 hours into it. Granted, work has been taking up most of my time for FO4.

I keep wanting to do the MQ, but I'm scared its going to be short and I'm going to be disappointed with the game.

I do think this "world" is much less interesting than the worlds of the previous fallout games and also skyrim (thats a different environment so maybe not fair to compare).  I think it has to do with creating settlements.  So many towns are just empty and uninteresting, but you can build them up and I am guessing that is the reason why.  However, that takes a lot of time and resources so it's not something I really want to do for every town.  I currently am just building up Sanctuary which I enjoy, but I can't see myself doing this for too many other towns.  BUt I guess that adds to replayability to this game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Chino on November 18, 2015, 10:55:40 AM
Skyrim is the only game I've ever played that was similar to this. I've never even seen Fallout 3 game footage. Would I be more or less likely to enjoy this game?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2015, 11:12:28 AM
Skyrim is the only game I've ever played that was similar to this. I've never even seen Fallout 3 game footage. Would I be more or less likely to enjoy this game?

Depends on what you like about Skyrim.  The gameplay is essentially the same, its just a different environment, story, and then the combat (mechanics are the same, but no magic and you have advanced weapons).  But in general, I would say yes you would enjoy it if you enjoy Skyrim.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dimitrius on November 19, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
It's basically just Skyrim but with guns. So yes.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
*minor spoiler*

Side note the map actually stretches further than the borders on the map. The nuclear zone outside the borders are really cool and stretches pretty far. Beware though to take lots of Rad pills with you or even better use power armor otherwise you'll be killed rather quickly if not by radiation by some nasty bug.

Im guessing you did a mission at the glowing sea?  attempted to do that last night, made my way to the spot but decided to fast travel back home and wait until I am levelled up some more before going back.  The radiation is tough and the amount of creatures is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 19, 2015, 03:04:03 PM
*minor spoiler*

Side note the map actually stretches further than the borders on the map. The nuclear zone outside the borders are really cool and stretches pretty far. Beware though to take lots of Rad pills with you or even better use power armor otherwise you'll be killed rather quickly if not by radiation by some nasty bug.

Im guessing you did a mission at the glowing sea?  attempted to do that last night, made my way to the spot but decided to fast travel back home and wait until I am levelled up some more before going back.  The radiation is tough and the amount of creatures is ridiculous.
Yep, I encountered with two Deathclaws on the way that almost slaughtered me. Power Armor is the best thing to use because it's safe from radiation so you can stroll around without eating radpills all the time.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2015, 03:39:39 PM
*minor spoiler*

Side note the map actually stretches further than the borders on the map. The nuclear zone outside the borders are really cool and stretches pretty far. Beware though to take lots of Rad pills with you or even better use power armor otherwise you'll be killed rather quickly if not by radiation by some nasty bug.

Im guessing you did a mission at the glowing sea?  attempted to do that last night, made my way to the spot but decided to fast travel back home and wait until I am levelled up some more before going back.  The radiation is tough and the amount of creatures is ridiculous.
Yep, I encountered with two Deathclaws on the way that almost slaughtered me. Power Armor is the best thing to use because it's safe from radiation so you can stroll around without eating radpills all the time.

Its funny because I have three sets of power armor in my house, T-45, T-51, and Raider.  I also have over 10 fusion cores... yet I never use my power armor.  I dont know whats wrong with me.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 19, 2015, 03:46:45 PM
*minor spoiler*

Side note the map actually stretches further than the borders on the map. The nuclear zone outside the borders are really cool and stretches pretty far. Beware though to take lots of Rad pills with you or even better use power armor otherwise you'll be killed rather quickly if not by radiation by some nasty bug.

Im guessing you did a mission at the glowing sea?  attempted to do that last night, made my way to the spot but decided to fast travel back home and wait until I am levelled up some more before going back.  The radiation is tough and the amount of creatures is ridiculous.
Yep, I encountered with two Deathclaws on the way that almost slaughtered me. Power Armor is the best thing to use because it's safe from radiation so you can stroll around without eating radpills all the time.

Its funny because I have three sets of power armor in my house, T-45, T-51, and Raider.  I also have over 10 fusion cores... yet I never use my power armor.  I dont know whats wrong with me.
I have a T-51 that I got during the Brotherhood of Steel quest line, I also found 25 fusion cores somewhere on that ship or I might have stolen them, my memory is a bit fuzzy.  :biggrin: So I basically always use the power armor.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 25, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
So, is this a "must have" game?  Been thinking about getting it.  Also, what is everyone's preferred method of purchase?  Buying the disc or buying on the network and downloading?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 25, 2015, 12:38:24 PM
I love it and if you are into these games then yes, its a must buy.  I play PC so I download, if I buy games for my xbox1 I normally buy the hard copy.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on November 25, 2015, 01:33:35 PM
So, is this a "must have" game?  Been thinking about getting it.  Also, what is everyone's preferred method of purchase?  Buying the disc or buying on the network and downloading?
I got it on disc just because if I decide to delete it for space it's way quicker to reinstall off the disc than it is digitally. Honestly, I'm still trying to find that wow factor that gets me addicted to the game. The lighting is phenomenal but I'm honestly disappointed with the graphics, pretty much looks like a fringe title between last and next gen, and that's pretty disappointing considering the next gen consoles have been out for 2 years now and other games in the same genre look absolutely phenomenal.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 25, 2015, 03:00:35 PM
and that's pretty disappointing considering the next gen consoles have been out for 2 years now and other games in the same genre look absolutely phenomenal.
Would you be able to give some examples? Not disagreeing at all, I'm genuinely interested as I don't have a new gen console and play most games on PC, and don't buy much in the way of brand new games so probably haven't seen any of these games that people are referring to.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 25, 2015, 03:19:31 PM
and that's pretty disappointing considering the next gen consoles have been out for 2 years now and other games in the same genre look absolutely phenomenal.
Would you be able to give some examples? Not disagreeing at all, I'm genuinely interested as I don't have a new gen console and play most games on PC, and don't buy much in the way of brand new games so probably haven't seen any of these games that people are referring to.

I have Star Wars Battlefront, that may me the best looking game I have ever played on my PC.  Blows Fallout 4 out of the water in terms of graphics, but even my own complaints about the graphics of this game have not stopped me from really enjoying it. 
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 25, 2015, 03:51:41 PM
and that's pretty disappointing considering the next gen consoles have been out for 2 years now and other games in the same genre look absolutely phenomenal.
Would you be able to give some examples? Not disagreeing at all, I'm genuinely interested as I don't have a new gen console and play most games on PC, and don't buy much in the way of brand new games so probably haven't seen any of these games that people are referring to.

I have Star Wars Battlefront, that may me the best looking game I have ever played on my PC.  Blows Fallout 4 out of the water in terms of graphics, but even my own complaints about the graphics of this game have not stopped me from really enjoying it.
Skyrim was the same for me, wasn't the prettiest game even back then. I felt the same about F:4 but then again Fallout is also suppose to be gritty and dark given we're talking about a post-apocalyptic world rather than a fantasy world. I quickly overcome that when I started appreciating the world Bethesda had created for me. They usually focus more on lushing out their world with interesting characters, quests, deep lore and areas to explore rather than cutting edge graphics. Funny you mention SW:B because in terms of depth and content F:4 blows that game out of the park it's not even funny.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Sacul on November 25, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
I don't think anybody plays a Fallout game for the graphics  :lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on November 25, 2015, 04:04:50 PM
I don't think anybody plays a Fallout game for the graphics  :lol
Well I mean, I bought a next gen console to get next gen graphics, if they're going to just put out slightly beefed up 360/ps3 looking games I'd rather put my money towards something else usually, Bethesda's just lucky that they still put a metric fuck ton of content into the game.


To give examples though, it's really just that textures can be blatantly terrible, doors, buildings, nature, etc. Overall it's a game that doesn't look bad but doesn't look next gen which to me personally is disappointing. I get that not everybody puts stock into graphics, but to me they're an important component of the game. And I don't mean pixelated graphics = bad, I just think that games should look the best they can, and I don't think Fallout 4 does. I think it looks best at night in Diamond City, the lighting there is really friggin cool.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dr. DTVT on November 25, 2015, 04:09:13 PM
I've had more trouble generating interest to play this than any other Fallout game.  Graphically, it could be a PS3 game.  I don't like the tweaks they made to SPECIAL and the story line just isn't grabbing me like Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout 3 did - it's on par with NV and that's not a good comparison.  The building element gets old rather quickly for me.   Actually, I think I'd rather play NV.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on November 25, 2015, 04:19:23 PM
Do you guys reach the point where you had to start choosing factions permanently yet? I've just gotten to the first point where it said if you do X then you will forever be hated by faction Y. I think I'll get to that point with everyone before proceeding on any of those missions.

I know that, no matter what, I will stick with the minutemen. Past that I think the game did a good job at making three factions that all have their strengths and weaknesses, and I'm not sure what I'll end up doing there. If they are compatible with the minutemen I'll likely stick with the Institute. 
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 26, 2015, 12:04:12 AM
And I don't mean pixelated graphics = bad, I just think that games should look the best they can, and I don't think Fallout 4 does.
Thing is, I don't know how to make that judgement. As you say, Bethesda packs so much content into its games. That's not a "luck" issue though, that is very much their focus, and the Fallout/TES selling point in terms of immersion.

I'll def check out the graphics in Battlefront, but is that not a more linear FPS? I was thinking of comparable games to Fallout 4.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on November 26, 2015, 12:29:32 AM
The Witcher 3 looks stunning, and is one packed as fuck game. Dragon Age Inquisition also comes to mind. Plenty of content in that game and it looks stellar.  It came out last year too.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 26, 2015, 08:07:06 AM
and that's pretty disappointing considering the next gen consoles have been out for 2 years now and other games in the same genre look absolutely phenomenal.
Would you be able to give some examples? Not disagreeing at all, I'm genuinely interested as I don't have a new gen console and play most games on PC, and don't buy much in the way of brand new games so probably haven't seen any of these games that people are referring to.

I have Star Wars Battlefront, that may me the best looking game I have ever played on my PC.  Blows Fallout 4 out of the water in terms of graphics, but even my own complaints about the graphics of this game have not stopped me from really enjoying it.
Skyrim was the same for me, wasn't the prettiest game even back then. I felt the same about F:4 but then again Fallout is also suppose to be gritty and dark given we're talking about a post-apocalyptic world rather than a fantasy world. I quickly overcome that when I started appreciating the world Bethesda had created for me. They usually focus more on lushing out their world with interesting characters, quests, deep lore and areas to explore rather than cutting edge graphics. Funny you mention SW:B because in terms of depth and content F:4 blows that game out of the park it's not even funny.

And I don't mean pixelated graphics = bad, I just think that games should look the best they can, and I don't think Fallout 4 does.
Thing is, I don't know how to make that judgement. As you say, Bethesda packs so much content into its games. That's not a "luck" issue though, that is very much their focus, and the Fallout/TES selling point in terms of immersion.

I'll def check out the graphics in Battlefront, but is that not a more linear FPS? I was thinking of comparable games to Fallout 4.

Honestly BF is lacking on content and is not that great of a game overall although it is very fun.  There is a reason I put more hours into Fallout than BF and its because of the content.  For a more comparable game that I play, GTA V or the Batman games.  I think Fallout has a lot of detail in the graphics, the game just doesn't flow well and the performance suffers where as the other games I referenced look great and perform great.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 26, 2015, 09:05:42 AM
Yeah I totally get the point about performance, I guess I think of that as being distinct from graphics. But maybe these days they're both part of the same thing.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 30, 2015, 06:46:17 AM
So my performance issues have been documented in this thread... I had the weirdest thing happen.  I have already put in about 2 days of time into the game and I minimzed the game to check something on the web (I do think constantly as I play, maybe not to check something but just minimize the game window and do something else on my PC) and when I maximized the game window is somehow ran at about 50fps and felt so smooth and was really nice.  After another minimization that left and went back to normal.  I have no idea how or why that happened that one time.  I am wondering if Windows is somehow messing with my performance, holding my game back to 30fps.

Anyway, I set up my supply routes and am slowly starting to town build.  Took Croups mansion and made it taller and awesomer.  My brother has progressed into the storyline much further than me, he choose to go with the Institute.  I am trying to prolong having to make this decision so that's why I am doing town building instead of actually doing something.  I think I am leading towards the BoS though, they seem too bad ass.  The other is the Minute Men because I have devoted so much time to doing those basic missions and building up Sanctuary.  The railroad is my least interested faction, although I chose them to build my teleporter so I am wondering if that was a bad decision.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 07, 2015, 01:22:08 AM
I am trying to prolong having to make this decision so that's why I am doing town building instead of actually doing something.  I think I am leading towards the BoS though, they seem too bad ass.  The other is the Minute Men because I have devoted so much time to doing those basic missions and building up Sanctuary.  The railroad is my least interested faction, although I chose them to build my teleporter so I am wondering if that was a bad decision.
I haven't really choosen either although I am running around in full blown modified power armor with Danse as companion. I used to have Cait the irish girl as companion but she cold heartedly rejected me when I declared my feelings for her so I went back to Danse.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on December 07, 2015, 04:10:18 AM
:lol Harsh. I haven't taken Cait out with me at all yet. Thinking I might take her with me to do some BOS quests as she seems like someone less likely to have a problem with them than Piper or Valentine.

I find this game so addictive, just don't have all that much time to dedicate to it. Gradually making progress though.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2015, 08:36:34 AM
I made it to level 40 last night and finally made significant progress with the story, having finally gone on to the Institution.

Really cool stuff, totally enjoying this story.

Agreed that this game is addicting, I can't put it down.  My character is so strong.  I killed a legendary deathclaw last night with my quad rocket launcher.  The deathclaw never even got close to me, 8 rockets to its leg to cripple it so it couldn't walk and then four more to the chest to kill it. 
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 07, 2015, 11:57:53 AM
Yea my character is also starting to get pretty strong. I think the hardest or rather more annoying enemy i've met so far are the Assaultrons. The first time I met one I got totally demolished but a couple of well placed mines usually help alot.


Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Genowyn on December 07, 2015, 12:14:01 PM
Assaultrons are a nightmare. Eventually you start getting invisible ones o_o
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2015, 12:43:46 PM
Yea those are definitely difficult.  Those red lasers drain your hp quickly too.

I don't use companions, I have the perk for more carrying weight and damage resistance (I think?) for when you don't use a companion so I am mostly solo except for missions that require someone. 
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on December 07, 2015, 06:21:31 PM
I'm on my 2nd run through now, after realizing that my first may have been a bit hasty, even though I thought I tried to hold back.

Now I'm speaking to every person, doing more of the repetitive quests, etc. As part of that I'm also using companions more, to get into their stories and missions.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 09, 2015, 03:34:43 PM
*Possible spoilers*

So I just gang murdered the whole Railroad faction. Wasn't really what I wanted and I felt a bit bad for the leader, she seemed nice but oh well all for my bros of steel.

Oh and I also finally got Caits booty, she opened up on me and so did I.  :zydar:
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 09, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
*Possible spoilers*

So I just gang murdered the whole Railroad faction. Wasn't really what I wanted and I felt a bit bad for the leader, she seemed nice but oh well all for my bros of steel.

Oh and I also finally got Caits booty, she opened up on me and so did I.  :zydar:

My brother's PC is in the same room as mine, he goes to me look at what I did and I look over and see all of the Railroad dead and he moved the bodies to one big pile in the middle of the room with Desdemona on top.  I was like, well thanks for spoiling what happens, but it was pretty funny  :lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on December 09, 2015, 05:11:04 PM
*Possible spoilers*

So I just gang murdered the whole Railroad faction. Wasn't really what I wanted and I felt a bit bad for the leader, she seemed nice but oh well all for my bros of steel.

Oh and I also finally got Caits booty, she opened up on me and so did I.  :zydar:

My brother's PC is in the same room as mine, he goes to me look at what I did and I look over and see all of the Railroad dead and he moved the bodies to one big pile in the middle of the room with Desdemona on top.  I was like, well thanks for spoiling what happens, but it was pretty funny  :lol

***More spoilers***

I basically had to do the same thing for The Institute. The thing that pissed me off in that mission, is I backed into the one door, and the only person who could see me was Desdimona. So I picked out my highest power rifle, and loaded up a sneak headshot. She of course is dead. My plan was then to simply leave out the door before I was caught. Then it progresses to OH, YOU GOTTA KILL EVERYONE ELSE. Thanks, dicks. Would have laid mines and approached things differently had I known that. :lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: SystematicThought on December 09, 2015, 05:51:20 PM
*More Spoilers*

I killed the entire Institute and I felt bad for Shaun.. he didn't even want to talk to me. Then it turns out I forgot about Patriot and he got killed when the Institute blew up. I went back to the Railroad and his body was in the middle on a stretcher and I got an angry suicide letter from Desdimona from him. That was weird.

Currently wooing Piper though. Going swell
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 09, 2015, 05:57:54 PM
*Possible spoilers*

So I just gang murdered the whole Railroad faction. Wasn't really what I wanted and I felt a bit bad for the leader, she seemed nice but oh well all for my bros of steel.

Oh and I also finally got Caits booty, she opened up on me and so did I.  :zydar:

My brother's PC is in the same room as mine, he goes to me look at what I did and I look over and see all of the Railroad dead and he moved the bodies to one big pile in the middle of the room with Desdemona on top.  I was like, well thanks for spoiling what happens, but it was pretty funny  :lol

***More spoilers***

I basically had to do the same thing for The Institute. The thing that pissed me off in that mission, is I backed into the one door, and the only person who could see me was Desdimona. So I picked out my highest power rifle, and loaded up a sneak headshot. She of course is dead. My plan was then to simply leave out the door before I was caught. Then it progresses to OH, YOU GOTTA KILL EVERYONE ELSE. Thanks, dicks. Would have laid mines and approached things differently had I known that. :lol
:lol Pretty much my reaction too, had some progress with  the Railroad and I liked them but then I was like "fuck it", the factions will clash at some point anyway. I like my Power Armor and the bros served me with a life time of fusion cores and if everyones going down I might as well do it in style so I got Cait to wear power armor and handed her my minigun while I went bezerk with a combat shotgun and nades.  :yarr

So if I understand correctly all companions have a default weapon with unlimited ammo but if you equip them with a diffrent weapon they need ammo?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2015, 09:31:37 PM
Not sure, but was wondering that as well.  Companions also have a special ability.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on December 10, 2015, 09:32:45 PM
One of my favorites parts of any game... the honest game trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y90uj8hs78c
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2015, 09:43:31 PM
 :rollin

Pretty much spot on
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on December 10, 2015, 10:04:56 PM
I had that EXACT same experience in that laser mine hallway with Dogmeat.

"Oh, let me just hack this terminal and... huh? DOGMEAT, NO YOU DUMB ASS!!!"
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 10, 2015, 10:11:12 PM
I had that EXACT same experience in that laser mine hallway with Dogmeat.

"Oh, let me just hack this terminal and... huh? DOGMEAT, NO YOU DUMB ASS!!!"

I actually saw that on imgur way before I visited that room and no longer had dog meat... i actually disarmed all of those.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 11, 2015, 12:42:59 AM
 :lol Speaking of Dogmeat, I haven't used him in ages so I didn't realise until yesterday that I haven't seen him since either. Have no idea where he is since he isn't in Sanctuary, probably lost him somewhere.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 11, 2015, 05:13:16 AM
:lol Speaking of Dogmeat, I haven't used him in ages so I didn't realise until yesterday that I haven't seen him since either. Have no idea where he is since he isn't in Sanctuary, probably lost him somewhere.

I lost him after the one mission where you follow him... I was pretty sure I sent him to sanctuary but I can't find him in the dog houses so he is lost in my game as well.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: adace on December 21, 2015, 02:15:53 AM
Finally started playing F4 and I'm having a great time. So damn much to do and see. Don't think it'll top Skyrim but it's a great game for sure.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2015, 05:29:56 AM
Last night was the first time playing in a week and I went ahead and made a decision, to go against the Institute.  Slaughtering synths left and right.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on December 21, 2015, 06:12:14 AM
Finally started playing F4 and I'm having a great time. So damn much to do and see. Don't think it'll top Skyrim but it's a great game for sure.
There isn't as much variety of location as in Skyrim, but so far I'm finding it a lot stronger narratively.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 21, 2015, 06:27:57 AM
Imo I found exploring to be more intruiging in Skyrim because of the diffrent faunas and locations combined with the music. I remember the first time I visited Riften, I had explored the map quite a bit before but not that area. Was walking up the long walkpath and suddenly found myself in an autumn forest with rivers and small lakes. I was just blown away that I missed this whole area.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 21, 2015, 06:43:37 AM
I agree, the Skyrim world was much more interesting and visually appealing.  I find a lot of the fallout 4 areas are very similar and I often feel like I'm clearing out the same building over and over (which in some cases I actually am doing).  However, i personally prefer the post apocalyptic world vs. the fantasy world in general.  So far, fallout 3 has been and still is my favorite world though.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on December 21, 2015, 12:35:29 PM
I agree, the Skyrim world was much more interesting and visually appealing.  I find a lot of the fallout 4 areas are very similar and I often feel like I'm clearing out the same building over and over (which in some cases I actually am doing).  However, i personally prefer the post apocalyptic world vs. the fantasy world in general.
I agree with all of this, plus as I said before the stronger narrative.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Genowyn on December 21, 2015, 08:46:00 PM
New Vegas remains my favorite FPS Fallout game. Overall I'm pretty disappointed with Fallout 4.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 22, 2015, 07:47:39 AM
New Vegas remains my favorite FPS Fallout game. Overall I'm pretty disappointed with Fallout 4.

Im opposite, New Vegas was the worst IMO.  I am not at all dissappointed with F4, but I have sharply declined my playing.  I'll probably get back into it after Christmas though when I have a lot of time off.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: adace on December 28, 2015, 04:04:01 PM
SPOILERS:
So I beat the game siding with the Institute and I have to say I was kinda disappointed with the ending. It's just a cheesy, generic cinematic and afterwards there's no real sense that I've actually become the director. No ability to command an entire synth army or the option to free the synths.

What's even worse is that I've pretty much run out of interesting side quests to do and I haven't even played the game that long. 

Also, why is there no way to make all the factions work together? Why do all the endings have to involve destroying one or more them? Lame.

So yeah, I definitely enjoyed playing the game but as far as open-world RPGs go I like Witcher 3 and Skyrim WAY better than this. Hopefully the DLC will be more satisfying.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 28, 2015, 07:14:24 PM
I've slowed down considerably once I realized I was just about down with the game.  While I would say Skyrim was better and this game had faults, I honestly can't be seriously upset about playing over 3 days of time with this game.  Definitely got my money's worth and I would not have played so much if it wasn't a good game.  I chose the BoS and am almost done taking down the Institute with the help of the Minute Men.  It seems I may not have to kill the Railroad as others have, but I also am not done so we will see.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 29, 2015, 06:48:55 PM
I finished the story arc a couple of days ago.

*spoilers*
I looked my son  in the eyes and told him I had to destroy the Institute, he was not pleased. I then proceeded to slaughter every living and synthetic soul at the institute with my bros and finished everything off with a well placed nuke. I got promoted for my efforts, I feel pleased!

I now run around trying to find vaults, there's just something rewarding about finding a colonized vault, it's like a mini world to explore and interact with. Besides vault 111, I so far found Vault 95 and 81. I know Vault 114 exist somewhere but haven't found it yet.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on December 30, 2015, 10:43:51 AM
Just got it a few days ago. Absolutely love it.

Also, after reading through the comments, I feel like I'm the only one who thinks Skyrim's map was boring. Everywhere felt the same, with the exception of cities. Same scenery, similar-looking dungeons, same... everything. Just felt bland.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 30, 2015, 11:45:14 AM
I think the cities were what made skyrims map more awesome, plus that sceenery is cool but otherwise agree. It all starts to look the same after playing for hours, same with fallout.  Fallout however is lacking the awesome cities. Diamond city is really the only awesome city in the game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on December 30, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
And it's hardly a city, unless more becomes available later in the game?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 30, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
I found the Companion Infinite Ammo mode to be very handy:

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/6233/?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 30, 2015, 04:28:41 PM
And it's hardly a city, unless more becomes available later in the game?

Not that I have seen, but the city is well designed and fits well with the universe.  Also going to the box suite to see the mayor is a nice touch to make the city feel big.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on December 30, 2015, 04:44:45 PM
I hate hate hate hate that I can't walk up into the stands that are obviously in reach.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on January 04, 2016, 10:23:10 PM
Finally beat the game over the weekend, went with BoS and destroyed the Institution, made sure to put a bullet in Father's head as well, just because I felt like it.  Anyway, now that I am done playing until DLC comes out, here is my collection of Nuka Colas

(https://i.imgur.com/mQtTqA8.jpg)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on January 05, 2016, 12:02:20 AM
And cat paintings! :D
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dark Castle on January 05, 2016, 02:43:16 AM
Finally starting to get into this!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 05, 2016, 02:51:51 AM
Finally beat the game over the weekend, went with BoS and destroyed the Institution, made sure to put a bullet in Father's head as well
(https://i.imgur.com/mQtTqA8.jpg)
I didn't have the cojones to do the last part but I did slaughter the Institute so atleast that's something.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on January 05, 2016, 02:52:48 AM
I'm now level 64, have played about 100 hours, and am finally at the point where I'm choosing a faction (Railroad). I got so distracted by side quests and I really do find the game so hugely immersive. Though I also took the other factions basically as far as I possibly could and made lots of friends there, so I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to start killing my friends in the Brotherhood. That's going to suck, but it's kinda cool the way the game makes you choose.

And although I'm now moving the game forward more, I'm still getting sidetracked easily. Just came across the USS Constitution. :lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 05, 2016, 02:54:30 AM
Just came across the USS Constitution. :lol
Ahh that's a fun quest.  :)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on January 05, 2016, 10:16:35 AM
Just came across the USS Constitution. :lol
Ahh that's a fun quest.  :)
Love the ending if you side with the robots. Hilarious.

I just sided with the Railroads as well. Kind of had to roll with the "synths are free" option since Valentine is my favorite companion. And character.

Lastly, I know it isn't, but anyone else think Danse sounds like George Clooney?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on January 05, 2016, 10:42:22 AM
Lastly, I know it isn't, but anyone else think Danse sounds like George Clooney?

Yes
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on January 05, 2016, 04:21:27 PM
Just came across the USS Constitution. :lol
Ahh that's a fun quest.  :)
Love the ending if you side with the robots. Hilarious.
That's what I did in the end, it was brilliant! "Success! By my reckoning, in a mere century we will have reached the sea!". :lol

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I just sided with the Railroads as well. Kind of had to roll with the "synths are free" option since Valentine is my favorite companion. And character.
Yep, Nick is awesome, plus SPOILERS Curie is cute as hell once she becomes a synth and you start flirting with her.

Quote
Lastly, I know it isn't, but anyone else think Danse sounds like George Clooney?
I hadn't noticed it before, but yes!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on January 06, 2016, 03:35:48 PM
So I finished the main story tonight, pretty intense finish - the showdown itself was quicker than I expected (though being at level 66 probably made it easier than it would have been) but some of the aftermath with the Railroad definitely gave me some feels.

Great game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on January 06, 2016, 03:42:34 PM
So I finished the main story tonight, pretty intense finish - the showdown itself was quicker than I expected (though being at level 66 probably made it easier than it would have been) but some of the aftermath with the Railroad definitely gave me some feels.

Great game.

Sided with the institute then?  I also found the end to be fairly easy and quick (level 53) but also assumed my character was just too powerful to really get challenged.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on January 06, 2016, 04:07:11 PM
Oh no I sided with the Railroad, I just meant what happened when I continued my discussions and missions with them after destroying the Institute.

Also, though the game didn't make any kind of deal out of it, I felt pretty bad when I had to take out the Brotherhood, as I'd made friends there. The ones that really got to me were (SPOILERS obviously):
 - Paladin Brandis, who I'd found on the Lost Patrol mission, encouraged to return to the Brotherhood, and then was involved on the attack on the Railroad and so I had to take out.
 - Field Scribe Haylen, who had been really welcoming of me and who I had supported in making sure than Danse didn't get executed, but who I had no choice but to kill when attacking Cambridge Police Station. The worst was logging on to her terminal and reading her last entry where she gushed about how wonderful I was in saving Danse. I felt horrible!

I didn't feel the same sadness when taking out the Institute as I didn't really like anyone there all that much.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 07, 2016, 05:16:05 PM
I kind of got obsessed with building and went bezerk at the Castle. Here's a few pictures:

(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123294081/E0D30547E37A989103A9C5CCEF2B789E55ACEF19/)(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123294322/845D3E1BC128C589F90E5B0DCD4B2B39AF7B6542/)

(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123294477/0031F8117612A71991D30704537B69BA9A10D3F8/)(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123294638/618AC4030AE95E4445B597C924C6C5379DE9F126/)

(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123294783/A6C7EF63735334C757E0D9E309E53A71D74662F2/)(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123295057/00F8C8B87D5DAEBBF6C81C3BC90C6F243294A39C/)

(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123295292/7586870A3CFEA1C2E6639016999556C49EF29068/)(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123295510/21B2D55CA48834D93380B18996447444E9DAC5E1/)

(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123295790/B7ED32A5787508EE80B43084C9D2D4CEF7E90080/)(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123295987/983288F548494055CFC95E2E161033D00431C914/)

(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123296301/EB98D142937BA87FFF71D5ED9E0893FB344A6A91/)(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123296445/A28FCD051FBE2E1D6145D526E44F72E9E749EC31/)

(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123296604/DA19007D21E1A3685F54C87499C850DC4FDD8EFA/)(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123296780/CE0D4B7725F24FCA00DE31267803E0D09E799DBD/)

(https://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/365155921123297095/5D521BD7CF5E4887ABB724C1D80637288676023C/)




Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2016, 05:20:37 PM
That's pretty sick, town well built  :yarr
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 07, 2016, 05:24:48 PM
Thx!  :) Should say that I used a few console commands and mods. I tried to scavenge as much as possible but got tired of running around all the time so I ended up using some commands to spawn in wood and steel.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on January 07, 2016, 06:25:01 PM
I don't use the console except to turn collision off. That way I can build a continuous wall.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on January 07, 2016, 07:37:03 PM
I don't use the console except to turn collision off. That way I can build a continuous wall.

Only used it once to fix a bug during a mission that had me stuck
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 07, 2016, 07:52:25 PM
The mod for removing the build cap is essential if you wanna go big and so is the Settlement expansion mod, gives you more assets to build with.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on January 09, 2016, 10:55:05 AM
I just learned the hard way that the quicksave key doesn't work if you're in workshop mode. Feck.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on January 10, 2016, 01:20:53 AM
Came across this while looking for Eddie Winter's tapes.

(https://puu.sh/mqhW6/0c7b875612.jpg)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Genowyn on January 10, 2016, 09:24:54 AM
Came across this while looking for Eddie Winter's tapes.

*snip*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aegP8j5al0
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on January 10, 2016, 02:25:35 PM
It's a play on Jake Blues from Blues Brothers, I believe.

There are loads of random cultural references like that throughout the game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on January 10, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
It's a play on Jake Blues from Blues Brothers, I believe.

There are loads of random cultural references like that throughout the game.
This is correct.

Also, this one is my favorite. Where everybody knows your name!
(https://i.imgur.com/KmRXU2p.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MZ88e5n.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HvekdQ4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ggUWQLP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iBa6WSU.jpg)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 11, 2016, 12:15:16 AM
That's awesome, would have never noticed references like that. Where is that bar located?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on January 11, 2016, 12:19:50 PM
Right about here.

(https://cdn.gamer-network.net/2015/usgamer/Fallout-4-Cheers-pip-map.jpg)

It's called "Prost" instead of "Cheers."
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Genowyn on January 11, 2016, 12:43:44 PM
Does anyone know what the Silver Shroud memorabilia or the swan boat pieces are for? I've had those things since like level 10 and never found a use for them.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on January 11, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
Does anyone know what the Silver Shroud memorabilia or the swan boat pieces are for? I've had those things since like level 10 and never found a use for them.
Dunno about the swan boat but the Silver Shroud is a fun side quest you get in Goodneighbour.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on January 11, 2016, 02:51:11 PM
Does anyone know what the Silver Shroud memorabilia or the swan boat pieces are for? I've had those things since like level 10 and never found a use for them.
Dunno about the swan boat but the Silver Shroud is a fun side quest you get in Goodneighbour.
Yup. You'll pick up a radio signal once you get there. Tune in to start the quest.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on January 11, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
Right about here.

(https://cdn.gamer-network.net/2015/usgamer/Fallout-4-Cheers-pip-map.jpg)

It's called "Prost" instead of "Cheers."
:tup
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MetalJunkie on January 11, 2016, 03:31:18 PM
A quick walkthrough of my settlement because I don't think pictures do it justice. I still need to do some generator management along with some other decorating, but I'm happy with it at the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN7tufwywuc

I just uploaded it so it's potato quality until youtube has the HD option ready. Not sure how long that will take.
Looks like it's good to go.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on January 11, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
Nice, like the magazine shelf.... HD worked fine for me.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Phoenix87x on March 03, 2016, 06:45:53 AM
Just picked it up for PS4 and I love it. Sure its a littler rough and janky with the glitches and freezes and long load times, but despite all that I am having a ton of fun with it. And sure the graphics might not be jaw dropping but its an apocalyptic wasteland so in this case it kind of works and overall I like look and graphics.

Its basically everything I wanted Fallout 3 to be. I bought 3 when it came out with very high anticipation and wanted to love it, but ended up putting it down a few hours in.

I'm loving Fallout 4 though.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on March 03, 2016, 05:11:02 PM
I loved Fallout 4. Clocked over 100 hours in the end, did basically every side quest (never quite finished Macready's in the end but it didn't seem to be really going anywhere).

I'll play it again some day when all the DLC is released probably.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on March 05, 2016, 10:03:05 AM
Yea I plan on picking it back up when the dlc comes out since I got the season pass which apparently has gone up on price since there will be more dlc than they originally expected, but the first set isn't going to be new missions I believe.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 20, 2016, 04:10:32 PM
Just want to say that the Far harbor DLC is awesome. Already loved Fallout 4, but this new stuff is very cool.

(https://www.game-debate.com/pic.php?g_id=23697&game=Fallout%204%20-%20Far%20Harbor)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 20, 2016, 06:10:37 PM
Will definitely get that, honestly I totally missed about that DLC.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nick on May 20, 2016, 06:25:49 PM
Downloaded this evening, and will start at some point tonight. Hoping to get through this before the 24th. At that point Total War takes over my life.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on May 21, 2016, 07:24:45 AM
I got the season pass for dirt cheap before release, turns out the value was insane.  I think I paid $15 and I played through Automatron which was short and not that interesting, especially since I am more of a lone ranger than someone who likes companions.   Either way, this DLC from my understanding is really large and well done.  I will be playing it.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on May 21, 2016, 07:31:02 AM
Haven't played in a while and last time I played I was heavily into a mod phase building my humongous base at the castle. Hopefully I won't run into problems booting up the game again.



Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 15, 2016, 03:57:12 PM
Pretty cool trailer, seems like the most interesting DLC yet.

Fallout 4: Nuka-World Official Trailer
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIneiOpuS2M)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on August 15, 2016, 05:23:37 PM
Pretty cool trailer, seems like the most interesting DLC yet.

Fallout 4: Nuka-World Official Trailer
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIneiOpuS2M)

Looks cool.  I still never played the last DLC.  I'm thinking I'll try to bang them out after I finish Just Cause 3... but by the time I finish BF1 may be out and if that's the case... I may never come around to playing the DLC I paid for and for DLC that looks pretty solid too.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Phoenix87x on August 16, 2016, 06:11:08 AM
Nuka world looks really cool. Looks like I am going to be playing some more Fallout 4  :metal
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 16, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
I started Fallout 4 and it was boring.  Walking around all day trying to figure out what to do?  Is that how the whole game is?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on August 16, 2016, 08:18:17 AM
I started Fallout 4 and it was boring.  Walking around all day trying to figure out what to do?  Is that how the whole game is?
Er, you get objectives that tell you exactly where on the map you need to go.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on August 16, 2016, 08:56:17 AM
I started Fallout 4 and it was boring.  Walking around all day trying to figure out what to do?  Is that how the whole game is?
Er, you get objectives that tell you exactly where on the map you need to go.

Yea, you can just follow the questlines, but at the end of the day, there is certainly a lot of walking around and discovery.  The game isn't for everyone, but definitely one of the better RPGs IMO.  At least for me as someone who is more of a FPS fan than RPG.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 16, 2016, 09:40:49 AM
I started Fallout 4 and it was boring.  Walking around all day trying to figure out what to do?  Is that how the whole game is?
Er, you get objectives that tell you exactly where on the map you need to go.

Yea, you can just follow the questlines, but at the end of the day, there is certainly a lot of walking around and discovery.  The game isn't for everyone, but definitely one of the better RPGs IMO.  At least for me as someone who is more of a FPS fan than RPG.

I suppose I should give it more time.  It just had a very slow beginning and didn't really grab me at all.  If I'm not saying "WOW" at the beginning of a game, it won't hold my attention for very long.  I'll give it another whirl.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 16, 2016, 04:13:34 PM
I started Fallout 4 and it was boring.  Walking around all day trying to figure out what to do?  Is that how the whole game is?
Er, you get objectives that tell you exactly where on the map you need to go.

Yea, you can just follow the questlines, but at the end of the day, there is certainly a lot of walking around and discovery.  The game isn't for everyone, but definitely one of the better RPGs IMO.  At least for me as someone who is more of a FPS fan than RPG.

I suppose I should give it more time.  It just had a very slow beginning and didn't really grab me at all.  If I'm not saying "WOW" at the beginning of a game, it won't hold my attention for very long.  I'll give it another whirl.
For me it's usually the oppsite, those games that stuck with me for the longest and been the most immersive game experiences are the ones i'm struggling with before they really grab me or I get a grasp of "the bigger picture" what the game has to offer. A game like Fallout 4 or any storydriven sandbox game is riddled with content you may never experience if you don't invest yourself a bit in the game instead of expecting the game to hold your hand.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on August 16, 2016, 05:11:09 PM
I started Fallout 4 and it was boring.  Walking around all day trying to figure out what to do?  Is that how the whole game is?
Er, you get objectives that tell you exactly where on the map you need to go.

Yea, you can just follow the questlines, but at the end of the day, there is certainly a lot of walking around and discovery.  The game isn't for everyone, but definitely one of the better RPGs IMO.  At least for me as someone who is more of a FPS fan than RPG.

I suppose I should give it more time.  It just had a very slow beginning and didn't really grab me at all.  If I'm not saying "WOW" at the beginning of a game, it won't hold my attention for very long.  I'll give it another whirl.
For me it's usually the oppsite, those games that stuck with me for the longest and been the most immersive game experiences are the ones i'm struggling with before they really grab me or I get a grasp of "the bigger picture" what the game has to offer. A game like Fallout 4 or any storydriven sandbox game is riddled with content you may never experience if you don't invest yourself a bit in the game instead of expecting the game to hold your hand.

True. It's not a game that will blow you out of your socks in the opening. It's a slow build, although the moment you walk out of the shelter for the first time is always pretty awesome.  The game is not a big action sequencer though so you aren't going to get that.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Dublagent66 on August 17, 2016, 10:36:57 AM
I started Fallout 4 and it was boring.  Walking around all day trying to figure out what to do?  Is that how the whole game is?
Er, you get objectives that tell you exactly where on the map you need to go.

Yea, you can just follow the questlines, but at the end of the day, there is certainly a lot of walking around and discovery.  The game isn't for everyone, but definitely one of the better RPGs IMO.  At least for me as someone who is more of a FPS fan than RPG.

I suppose I should give it more time.  It just had a very slow beginning and didn't really grab me at all.  If I'm not saying "WOW" at the beginning of a game, it won't hold my attention for very long.  I'll give it another whirl.
For me it's usually the oppsite, those games that stuck with me for the longest and been the most immersive game experiences are the ones i'm struggling with before they really grab me or I get a grasp of "the bigger picture" what the game has to offer. A game like Fallout 4 or any storydriven sandbox game is riddled with content you may never experience if you don't invest yourself a bit in the game instead of expecting the game to hold your hand.

I never said anything about expecting a game to hold my hand.  You took that completely out of context.  The ability to invest my time in a game has nothing to do with my ability to actually figure it out.  Right now, I'm investing my limited time in other games that seem much more interesting for the time being.  As I said before, maybe I'll give Fallout 4 another try when I get around to it.  All you really needed to say was that the game is worth investing your time.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on August 17, 2016, 10:48:28 AM
I started Fallout 4 and it was boring.  Walking around all day trying to figure out what to do?  Is that how the whole game is?
Er, you get objectives that tell you exactly where on the map you need to go.

Yea, you can just follow the questlines, but at the end of the day, there is certainly a lot of walking around and discovery.  The game isn't for everyone, but definitely one of the better RPGs IMO.  At least for me as someone who is more of a FPS fan than RPG.

I suppose I should give it more time.  It just had a very slow beginning and didn't really grab me at all.  If I'm not saying "WOW" at the beginning of a game, it won't hold my attention for very long.  I'll give it another whirl.
For me it's usually the oppsite, those games that stuck with me for the longest and been the most immersive game experiences are the ones i'm struggling with before they really grab me or I get a grasp of "the bigger picture" what the game has to offer. A game like Fallout 4 or any storydriven sandbox game is riddled with content you may never experience if you don't invest yourself a bit in the game instead of expecting the game to hold your hand.

I never said anything about expecting a game to hold my hand.  You took that completely out of context.  The ability to invest my time in a game has nothing to do with my ability to actually figure it out.  Right now, I'm investing my limited time in other games that seem much more interesting for the time being.  As I said before, maybe I'll give Fallout 4 another try when I get around to it.  All you really needed to say was that the game is worth investing your time.
I wasn't attacking you, I just meant that some games is harder to grasp if you don't invest some time into it. Which has nothing to with someone lacking ability to understand the game mechanic, it may be harder if you don't take your time with the game which may be hard if you have limited time.  :)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on August 17, 2016, 11:01:30 AM
Typically putting 100 hours in fallout is normal, I don't think you will get much out of this type of game if you aren't willing to put the time in to reap the benefits of seeing how your decisions play out and leveling up your character.  If you don't have the time, I probably wouldn't bother with it.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on August 17, 2016, 01:22:32 PM
You definitely don't need to put in 100 hours though.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on August 17, 2016, 02:05:14 PM
You definitely don't need to put in 100 hours though.

Definitely dont need to, I agree.  was just trying to make the point that you need to put in the time to enjoy the rewards.  I don't find Fallout to be like a FPS where you get some instant gratification with a kill or something (although there are some nice boss battles in Fallout)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 10, 2018, 03:42:10 PM
Fallout 76 Full Presentation | Microsoft E3 2018 Press Conference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toS9OiU-y0k)

4 times bigger than Fallout 4.... not necessarily a good thing but interesting atleast. I'm casually pumped!  :tup
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Phoenix87x on June 10, 2018, 03:48:38 PM
I am truly shocked that we are getting a legit new Fallout before an elder scrolls, but hey. I'm not complaining. Looks really cool.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 10, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
I am truly shocked that we are getting a legit new Fallout before an elder scrolls, but hey. I'm not complaining. Looks really cool.
Yea it's weird but I very much think it's because ESO and how much they been feeding into that game since release and still do.
From what i've heard TES 6 is still in early development.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nekov on June 11, 2018, 08:09:32 AM
That game looks like a recipe for disaster. I'm not a fan of MMORPGs and I don't care how much the guy says you can play solo doing quests, the game is clearly designed for online gaming. Also, you create a game where people can build whatever they want and you also have nuclear missiles to destroy everything? No way that's gonna piss people off...
Also, there are dragons? This just seems like they wanted to mesh Skyrim with Fallout.

I was really hoping this presentation would make me change my mind but it just made me really not want to play this game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Sacul on June 11, 2018, 08:20:12 AM
I liked the idea of having just a small bunch of players instead of thousands in one map.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nekov on June 11, 2018, 08:48:27 AM
I liked the idea of having just a small bunch of players instead of thousands in one map.

Yeah, I have to admit that one part makes sense.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 11, 2018, 10:31:05 AM
Also, there are dragons? This just seems like they wanted to mesh Skyrim with Fallout.
Nah that's only a giant bat.  :P
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nekov on June 11, 2018, 10:56:19 AM
Also, there are dragons? This just seems like they wanted to mesh Skyrim with Fallout.
Nah that's only a giant bat.  :P

 :lol Let's be serious, that totally looked like fighting a dragon in skyrim.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 12, 2018, 08:14:46 AM
So apparently Fallout 76 will have no NPCs at all, only real players. So how will the quest system then work?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nekov on June 12, 2018, 08:25:36 AM
So apparently Fallout 76 will have no NPCs at all, only real players. So how will the quest system then work?

Yeah, I was watching an interview where they mentioned that. I don't know how that will work. The guy also mentioned they are working out a way that you can play without other players in the server ruining your game. Maybe they will have this PVP switch where you can choose whether you are up for it or not?
The other thing that jumped to mind about not having NPCs, how the hell do you play the game without merchants or raiders to  easily kill and loot? NPCs are a huge part of this kind of survival game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2018, 09:28:08 AM
That does seem to be a significant change to the game.  Wonder how that works.  I am so so on this game.  I love the Fallout series, but making it online only could be awesome or could be shit.  Just depends how they implement it and what the actual goal of the game is which I am not totally sure of.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 12, 2018, 12:28:27 PM
So apparently Fallout 76 will have no NPCs at all, only real players. So how will the quest system then work?

Yeah, I was watching an interview where they mentioned that. I don't know how that will work. The guy also mentioned they are working out a way that you can play without other players in the server ruining your game. Maybe they will have this PVP switch where you can choose whether you are up for it or not?
The other thing that jumped to mind about not having NPCs, how the hell do you play the game without merchants or raiders to  easily kill and loot? NPCs are a huge part of this kind of survival game.
I guess ghosting or incognito mode might be one way to play "solo", atleast other players can't kill you but that also makes it boring after a while. Yea I feel even more confused about the game and it's game mechanics than I was before E3.  :-\
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 18, 2018, 05:19:51 AM
So Fallout 76, anyone played it? Is it as bad as people say it is?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Bolsters on November 18, 2018, 06:10:17 AM
I watched this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZM18ZK9mOY) earlier today and it told me everything I needed to know about that game (it's also pretty funny).

Highlights are the part where a dude shotguns another player repeatedly but his health keeps going up rapidly, because the server doesn't check anything and just accepts whatever it receives from the client (so hackers can send health-up commands to the server every second, among other things). I also liked the part where it is revealed that character animation speed is tied to framerate, which means that you run faster when your framerate is higher (so people uncap their FPS and run really fast by looking at the ground :lol) and reload speed can be manipulated in this way as well.

Releasing a multiplayer game with these kinds of problems is pretty shameful, to be honest. Especially from a big developer like Bethesda and at $60 USD.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 18, 2018, 06:32:08 AM
I haven't played any of it (I've been playing RDR2) but it's a bummer it is doing as bad as it is.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 18, 2018, 06:45:12 AM
I am a massive Fallout fan and I loved 4, but from everything I've seen and watched about 76, I want nothing to do with it. 76 looks very lackluster and its hard to even differentiate it from 4. Its glitchy, buggy and I am not into the online thing at all and really still feel satisfied by 4 and at this point I am not even ready for a new Fallout yet.

And knowing that they could have been using the time to make Skyrim 6 aint helping either.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 18, 2018, 06:56:49 AM
What's even more of a bummer is they are still usign the same engine for the new elder scrolls game :(
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 18, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
I think this guy brings a fair impression of the game:

https://youtu.be/BEjSGNv4ZYg

From the start F76 was never intended to be Fallout 5, it's a deviant from Fallout 4 and a question on how Fallout 4 would have been with MP and COOP. So lots of assets from Fallout 4 are simply re-used in F76.

Anyone that's followed Bethesda knows of it's bugs and "outdated" graphics in their games, not to say that's ok but it's been that way for a long time i'm just saying that's not news worthy.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Phoenix87x on November 18, 2018, 09:38:37 AM
When observing and looking at 76, the thought that comes to mind is "unnecessary"

I have loved Fallout since 3, and its been one of my favorite game franchises. After 3 was released, and another game was released that was not expected to be fallout 4, but hot damn did I fall in love with it, and that was New Vegas. That is an example of them making something that not only stands on its own, but also draws you in and creates an awesome experience.

Sure, 76 is not supposed to be Fallout 5, but if it was supposed to be something that me (a strong Fallout fan) would buy, then they failed miserably.

Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 18, 2018, 10:03:42 AM
After 3 was released, and another game was released that was not expected to be fallout 4, but hot damn did I fall in love with it, and that was New Vegas. That is an example of them making something that not only stands on its own, but also draws you in and creates an awesome experience.
It's not "fair" to compare it to New Vegas that's a spin-off and follows the same classic Fallout format while F76 is a MP game without NPCs, that in itself is very diffrent so it's bound to clash with people that want the classic Fallout format. With that said it's clear that Bethesda attempt at making a MP Fallout game didn't really work that well and I guess hopefully they listen to the fans and move on.

Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 18, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
From the start F76 was never intended to be Fallout 5, it's a deviant from Fallout 4 and a question on how Fallout 4 would have been with MP and COOP. So lots of assets from Fallout 4 are simply re-used in F76.

I don't see why I would pay $60 for that personally.  If it's essentially a MP version of F4 then that sounds more like DLC or like $30 tops.  Granted, I feel I know little about this game and don't really understand it.  Like what do you actually do in it?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on November 18, 2018, 01:39:08 PM
From the start F76 was never intended to be Fallout 5, it's a deviant from Fallout 4 and a question on how Fallout 4 would have been with MP and COOP. So lots of assets from Fallout 4 are simply re-used in F76.

I don't see why I would pay $60 for that personally.  If it's essentially a MP version of F4 then that sounds more like DLC or like $30 tops.  Granted, I feel I know little about this game and don't really understand it.  Like what do you actually do in it?
For me, it depends on the content. From what I hear it feels very empty and shallow and I think that's alot because they don't have NPCs to interact with and the dialogue system. Now if it was a traditional Fallout game just like SP but with MP and Coop I atleast would pay $60 but as you say this in many ways feels more like a stripped down Fallout game.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on November 19, 2018, 08:58:32 AM
Wasn't the beta only like 3 weeks? I'm honestly not at all surprised there are so many bugs and issues when there was so little time for feedback.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2018, 11:34:02 AM
https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/19/18102668/fallout-76-nuke-server-crash-bethesda (https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/19/18102668/fallout-76-nuke-server-crash-bethesda)

 :lol
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ErHaO on November 19, 2018, 03:36:09 PM
I am usually a "Bethesda apologist" but this game rubs me the wrong way. It is a full priced title marketed as the next big thing (not Fallout 5 but as a big Bethesda game) and it falls short on almost every aspect. Sure, I prefer SP content and don't particularly like the direction of this title, but personal preferences aside this is just near-garbage based on a brief stint of beta and seeing my housemate play. Almost no techical progression from a several years old game, the same goddamn bugs that previously modders have successfully  patched, an incredibly shitty VATS system that is basically broken auto aim, a lifeless world that entirely depends on having other players make the fun etc. This game focuses on the weakest aspects of Fallout and lays those weaker elements painfully bare.

Also, I kind of dislike the argument "but with the right people it's fun!". No shit, with the right people a shoddy fanmade Garry's Mod server or VR chat rooms are also lots of fun.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 19, 2018, 04:59:15 PM
I read that basically this is a test project for the new studio they acquired a while back that specialized in mmo development.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on November 19, 2018, 05:19:03 PM
I read that basically this is a test project for the new studio they acquired a while back that specialized in mmo development.

So lets use a hugely popular franchise as a test subject?  :lol what a failure this seems to be so far
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Herrick on November 27, 2018, 02:43:44 PM
What's even more of a bummer is they are still usign the same engine for the new elder scrolls game :(

I read an article explaining why the engine itself isn't entirely to blame for this mess. So I guess we shouldn't be worried that Bethesda is using the same engine for the next Elder Scrolls game. We should be worried that Bethesda is developing the next Elder Scrolls game  :lol

https://kotaku.com/the-controversy-over-bethesdas-game-engine-is-misguided-1830435351
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ReaperKK on November 28, 2018, 04:50:56 AM
I hope that this is kind of the wake up call that they need. If this wasn't a disaster maybe Starfield would've turned out shit.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Bolsters on November 28, 2018, 05:17:52 AM
I hope that this is kind of the wake up call that they need.
Unfortunately whether that happens will likely depend more upon whether it made money or not. Between the entry price and the microtransactions, it could end up being considered a "success".
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ErHaO on November 28, 2018, 10:23:43 AM
I hope that this is kind of the wake up call that they need.
Unfortunately whether that happens will likely depend more upon whether it made money or not. Between the entry price and the microtransactions, it could end up being considered a "success".

Here it is already heavily discounted, 20 euros less almost right after release (outside of blackfriday days), that is usually a sign it sold poorly.

Anyways, I think this game potentially hurts the Fallout brand and even Bethesda as a whole. It's really bad and puts a massive spotlight on every issue people had with Bethesda games for years. For example, Skyrim on the PS4 had the same experience hampering bugs as Skyrim released like 5 years before it. While some amateur modders have long patched that shit out in their free time. And now with a major new game they do the same shit.

Sure, I can put up with all the instability and have lots of fun with their games, loved Fallout 4, but if critics decide to trash them in the future, they have brought it upon themselves.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Herrick on November 28, 2018, 10:28:21 AM
I hope that this is kind of the wake up call that they need.
Unfortunately whether that happens will likely depend more upon whether it made money or not. Between the entry price and the microtransactions, it could end up being considered a "success".

Here it is already heavily discounted, 20 euros less almost right after release (outside of blackfriday days), that is usually a sign it sold poorly.

Well there's still the Cyber Monday or Cyber Week thing going on but yeah, I've never seen a new AAA game so heavily discounted even when it came out right before a holiday.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Phoenix87x on December 06, 2018, 06:04:36 AM
Bestheda support has now leaked customer info

https://kotaku.com/bethesda-support-leaks-fallout-76-customer-names-addre-1830892930

Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ErHaO on December 06, 2018, 07:14:09 AM
Bestheda support has now leaked customer info

https://kotaku.com/bethesda-support-leaks-fallout-76-customer-names-addre-1830892930

My housemate kept me up to date in regards to this game and good lord did they fuck up everything the last couple of weeks. This is absolutely unacceptable though, I wonder if they will get a fine/legal issues from this. Companies over here can get into trouble if they send emails where you can see the other recipients email addresses, let alone actual personal information like your address or phone.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 06, 2018, 07:36:36 AM
what a disaster for bethesda, this game is seriously hurting them
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ErHaO on December 06, 2018, 05:35:00 PM
I must say this game bums me out on many levels. I always stuck up with Bethesda's glitches because they do unique things, but this game shows many of these problems are just because they ignore them and let the modders fix them, again and again and again (on pc at least, shit out of luck for the rest, including me).  (Recent Skyrim rereleases as well, because they released it with goddamn bugs that fans have fixed years ago)

And to be honest I wouldn't care if their next game gets critically slaughtered if they pull the same shit again. Sure, I will buy it in the end and enjoy it, but this game is kind of the drop that spilled the bucket. For many, it seems. My housemate that was playing already dropped F76 and will likely never touch it again.

It has been a process of years for me to reach this point of annoyance, but this company has released a lot of shoddy games. For example, it is utter bullshit that I know people with a PS3 that could not even start the DLC they paid for because of the mess their tech is. We are talking a good while after release (so despite it being known glitches around release, this shit was never fixed apparently). Start a new game was the suggested solution (which isn't enticing if you have like 50 hours in a save). And then my own experience, where I probably cleared the entire game data routinely to make Skyrim (barely) run on the PS3. Or stuff like manually pushing an NPC for like 20 minutes to trigger the dialouge and continue a (main!)quest in Fallout 3, no console commands for us console players, so bless people that test out weird solutions like that and put them on a wiki. Or the many times I lost multiple hours on PS4 Fallout 4 because of similar NPC/companion/quest giver fuckery.

I do not know to what exent the technical issues are realistic to solve and to what extent they are a byproduct of their ambition, but now I do know that Bethesda does the bare mininum to make their products work and thus I won't defend anything of theirs anymore.

(End of rant)
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on December 07, 2018, 03:29:50 AM
I think it's easier to just ignore F76 and instead get excited for:

https://youtu.be/MGLTgt0EEqc

by the team that did F: New Vegas.

This looks awesome!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Polarbear on December 07, 2018, 03:42:19 AM
I think it's easier to just ignore F76 and instead get excited for:

https://youtu.be/MGLTgt0EEqc

by the team that did F: New Vegas.

This looks awesome!

Yeah, posted about this to the Video Game thread. Looks great! The space western setting looks awesome. This might satisfy my rpg itch until Cyberpunk 2077 arrives.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on December 07, 2018, 07:55:43 AM
Interesting, looks like a mix of bioshock and fallout
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on December 07, 2018, 03:05:47 PM
Interesting, looks like a mix of bioshock and fallout
With a splash of Borderlands, especially in the humour and the sci-fi setting.

Looks great!
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on June 10, 2019, 07:47:35 AM
New trailer for The Outer Worlds:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmyF8IjfSUI

but also, Fallout 76 are actually implementing human NPCs in their upcoming DLC.

Fallout 76 - Official E3 2019 Wastelanders Gameplay Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XdwS4lcZM)

Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Stadler on June 10, 2019, 10:18:04 AM
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Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on June 10, 2019, 10:34:57 AM
Just finished Deus Ex: Human Revolution, which I loved.  Well, really really liked.  Kind of a cross between Thief and System Shock (remember that one?).  Starting Far Cry 2 now; don't know yet if I like it or not.   Don't want to get too far in to find I hate it, but I'll give it a shot for now.
Was this meant for the Video Game Thread?
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Stadler on June 10, 2019, 10:45:01 AM
Just finished Deus Ex: Human Revolution, which I loved.  Well, really really liked.  Kind of a cross between Thief and System Shock (remember that one?).  Starting Far Cry 2 now; don't know yet if I like it or not.   Don't want to get too far in to find I hate it, but I'll give it a shot for now.
Was this meant for the Video Game Thread?

Yeah, probably.  I'll move it.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: MrBoom_shack-a-lack on July 07, 2020, 01:36:02 AM
Fallout series under development by Jonathan Nolan (Westworld).

Short teaser: https://youtu.be/NUkifG0Al_0

Can't say i'm hopeful they will do it justice but we'll see.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on July 07, 2020, 02:08:16 AM
Fallout series under development by Jonathan Nolan (Westworld).

Short teaser: https://youtu.be/NUkifG0Al_0

Can't say i'm hopefully they will do it justice but we'll see.
Well, it can't be worse than Fallout 4 or Fallout 76.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: ariich on July 07, 2020, 02:18:19 AM
Fallout 4 was awesome! 76 never interested me at all though.

Anyway I'm big fan of Nolan and Joy so this has great potential.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Nekov on July 07, 2020, 05:48:17 AM
Fallout 4 was awesome! 76 never interested me at all though.

This. I loved westworld and I think that for all the issues and shortcomings of the Fallout games, I think we can all agree that the world they have created is pretty interesting. If Nolan can create a story that is captivating enough then this should be a good show.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: cramx3 on July 07, 2020, 08:03:29 PM
I'd have some interest in this once it comes to fruition.  I think the Fallout universe could be a pretty cool setting for a TV show if done right.
Title: Re: Fallout 4 v. War Never Changes
Post by: Northern Lion on July 16, 2020, 02:03:05 PM
I'd have some interest in this once it comes to fruition.  I think the Fallout universe could be a pretty cool setting for a TV show if done right.

If it had a somewhat Mad Max vibe, yeah I think it could too.