DreamTheaterForums.org Dream Theater Fan Site
Dream Theater => Concerts and Set Lists => Topic started by: genome on November 02, 2015, 12:08:26 PM
-
"...the show's going to the London Palladium, sir?"
Go on then... ROLL CALL! Who's with me?
No Wembley Arena this time (thankfully!) - have they played the Palladium before? :biggrin:
-
I'll be there for sure...got a VERY GOOD feeling about this new album :) I don't think ANY metal band has EVER played the Palladium before in its history, so this could well be a first for DT :)
-
Opeth were due to play there a few weeks ago, but it was moved to Drury Lane.
-
How the fuck the premium re-sale sites have tickets for this on sale already is beyond me. :censored :censored
-
Ticket bought woop woop
They've clearly thought "What would Rush do?" when it comes to ticket prices though..62 quid in total :o
-
Cannot get tickets :-(
Says "All tickets are currently in customers carts".
Bummer!
-
Ticket bought! Blimey, that was tight, all the good tickets were in other users baskets!
Lazlo - sorry to hear that - keep trying!
-
I smell a rat.
-
Ticket bought! Blimey, that was tight, all the good tickets were in other users baskets!
Lazlo - sorry to hear that - keep trying!
How did you get a ticket? I have been on the website since 8.55am and it is saying there are no tickets? Whats going on here?
-
I saw two tickets on my very first attempt and thought they were a bit poor so I let them go. Subsequent attempts state either other people are holding the tickets or that two seats together can't be found.
I suspect they released a couple of hundred VIP tickets (have you seen the cost?!) and a handful of standard tickets. It's probably been done to create initial demand for the VIP tickets.
-
:'(I have been trying since 8.55am gmt, this is a disgrace. are they sure the honestly released any tickets? :angry:
-
I saw two tickets on my very first attempt and thought they were a bit poor so I let them go. Subsequent attempts state either other people are holding the tickets or that two seats together can't be found.
I suspect they released a couple of hundred VIP tickets (have you seen the cost?!) and a handful of standard tickets. It's probably been done to create initial demand for the VIP tickets.
It's a fookin joke! just have to wait and try to get tickets with the masses on Friday.
-
I saw two tickets on my very first attempt and thought they were a bit poor so I let them go. Subsequent attempts state either other people are holding the tickets or that two seats together can't be found.
This is exactly what happened to me! I got row L or something so I let it go thinking they were poor seats. I'm still trying though, and at least I can try again on Friday!
-
Tried to get 3 tickets but as soon as 9 rolled round I hit refresh and they were all accounted for :(
Gonna try again Fri but don't think I will have much joy then either :tdwn
-
I wouldn't be surprised if there were very very few tickets sold today. I'm sure Friday will be much easier to get one as long as your on the site asap.
-
I wouldn't be surprised if there were very very few tickets sold today. I'm sure Friday will be much easier to get one as long as your on the site asap.
Agreed.
-
I wouldn't be surprised if there were very very few tickets sold today. I'm sure Friday will be much easier to get one as long as your on the site asap.
Agreed.
more tickets now!
-
Managed to get 2 tickets!!
I just kept trying again and again.
Eventually I found 2 available Row P, again I thought these were poor seats but this time I opened up the tour page in a different web browser so as not to let those Row P tickets go.
In the new browser I searched again and would ya believe it I got Stalls Front - Row B - seats 20 & 21 :o :metal
Awesome seats (although a little close but who cares coz they're right in the middle of the row! Happy days!
Anybody not got tix yet, keep trying, it may pay off. For those who got your tix, see you guys and gals there!
-
Managed to get 2 tickets!!
I just kept trying again and again.
Eventually I found 2 available Row P, again I thought these were poor seats but this time I opened up the tour page in a different web browser so as not to let those Row P tickets go.
In the new browser I searched again and would ya believe it I got Stalls Front - Row B - seats 20 & 21 :o :metal
Awesome seats (although a little close but who cares coz they're right in the middle of the row! Happy days!
Anybody not got tix yet, keep trying, it may pay off. For those who got your tix, see you guys and gals there!
I managed to get row B seat too! Amazing....was a bit hesistant as would have preferred to be slightly further back but didn't want to take a chance and not get any (especially as the website was up and down).
-
Managed to get 2 tickets!!
I just kept trying again and again.
Eventually I found 2 available Row P, again I thought these were poor seats but this time I opened up the tour page in a different web browser so as not to let those Row P tickets go.
In the new browser I searched again and would ya believe it I got Stalls Front - Row B - seats 20 & 21 :o :metal
Awesome seats (although a little close but who cares coz they're right in the middle of the row! Happy days!
Anybody not got tix yet, keep trying, it may pay off. For those who got your tix, see you guys and gals there!
I managed to get row B seat too! Amazing....was a bit hesistant as would have preferred to be slightly further back but didn't want to take a chance and not get any (especially as the website was up and down).
I had that exact same hesitation, but like you I didn't want to take the chance!
See ya in Row B ;D
-
I also managed to get seats, albeit Row T. But we are middle section with end seats. Had a look on TheaterMonkey and couldnt complain, luckily its tiered seating
-
I panicked and ordered the first seat that came available. On my todd, but that isn't unusual for me at DT shows. I like to stay focussed with no distractions during the show.
Row P centre aisle seat. Not bad I guess. Will be pissed if they release loads of closer seats on Friday though lol.
EDIT: I guess the pre-sale is over. They've just redirected the page to the following:
https://www.gigsandtours.com/event/dream-theater/london-palladium/924800 (https://www.gigsandtours.com/event/dream-theater/london-palladium/924800)
-
Managed to get 2 tickets!!
I just kept trying again and again.
Eventually I found 2 available Row P, again I thought these were poor seats but this time I opened up the tour page in a different web browser so as not to let those Row P tickets go.
In the new browser I searched again and would ya believe it I got Stalls Front - Row B - seats 20 & 21 :o :metal
Awesome seats (although a little close but who cares coz they're right in the middle of the row! Happy days!
Anybody not got tix yet, keep trying, it may pay off. For those who got your tix, see you guys and gals there!
I managed to get row B seat too! Amazing....was a bit hesistant as would have preferred to be slightly further back but didn't want to take a chance and not get any (especially as the website was up and down).
I had that exact same hesitation, but like you I didn't want to take the chance!
See ya in Row B ;D
Sure will , think we are only one seat away from you! Back on the DT wagon - album then extensive tour with hopefully two european legs and a night in London in Feb & Oct then live dvd.....and repeat!
-
Managed to get 2 tickets!!
I just kept trying again and again.
Eventually I found 2 available Row P, again I thought these were poor seats but this time I opened up the tour page in a different web browser so as not to let those Row P tickets go.
In the new browser I searched again and would ya believe it I got Stalls Front - Row B - seats 20 & 21 :o :metal
Awesome seats (although a little close but who cares coz they're right in the middle of the row! Happy days!
Anybody not got tix yet, keep trying, it may pay off. For those who got your tix, see you guys and gals there!
I managed to get row B seat too! Amazing....was a bit hesistant as would have preferred to be slightly further back but didn't want to take a chance and not get any (especially as the website was up and down).
I had that exact same hesitation, but like you I didn't want to take the chance!
See ya in Row B ;D
Sure will , think we are only one seat away from you! Back on the DT wagon - album then extensive tour with hopefully two european legs and a night in London in Feb & Oct then live dvd.....and repeat!
Ha sounds good to me! That's the next 18 months of my life sorted ;D
-
I dont know how you guys did it, I was never able to get 2 seats together to be able to go with the wife. I guess I'll have to hit that stupid reseller friday...... :-[
-
I dont know how you guys did it, I was never able to get 2 seats together to be able to go with the wife. I guess I'll have to hit that stupid reseller friday...... :-[
For 45mins I was continuously refreshing the page. Every now and again it would let me enter the number of tickets required but then tell me they were unavailable. I only got one opportunity to select and buy tickets and that was for Row B. No skill involved just pure luck this time round. I hope you are able to get some decent tickets on friday!
I think presales should be password protected for fans (like they have been in the past) so they have a fair chance to buy to see their fav band (probably for many years) before others!
I am very surprised with the ticket prices this time round - £85 each including booking - WTF! Now that's almost VIP prices in my book. Anyway I guess prices are higher as it is a smaller venue. Love it when DT play smaller gigs - The gig at Sheffield Town Hall (or whatever it's called) back in July 2014 was brilliant
-
They clearly didn't have enough tickets on the pre-sale to match supply - But then I suspect most of the tickets went to touts and 'bots. Hope all of you who didn't manage to get tickets do better on Friday!
Oh, it's a bit crass of the band to send me an email telling me the pre-sale is open about an hour after the sell-out...
-
In fairness, Considering it's the only UK show and the Palladium apparently only seats 2286 I think demand is always going to be greater than supply :(
-
If you look at the gaps in the current tour schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if the Palladium has optioned 1-2 more nights which will be made available when they've gauged interest properly.
-
If you look at the gaps in the current tour schedule, I wouldn't be surprised if the Palladium has optioned 1-2 more nights which will be made available when they've gauged interest properly.
Now thats a good idea.. its been sometime since the last two nighter!
-
More tickets just released on the pre-sale...
-
Good point. I never considered that. :metal
-
Looks like Row T seats are available at the moment.
And row B royal circle.
-
Nabbed a Row T seat. Hopefully they'll add more dates in which case I'll sell that one and try and get some tickets with my mates :-[
-
VIP Sold Out!
I wonder if that was just the pre-order releases or if they actually sold all of the VIP tickets today! :omg:
-
Managed to get myself a ticket :D probably was easier as I was just getting the one! First time having to go on my own to see DT but not one to miss!
-
If a few of us are attending on our own, we should all go for a drink beforehand ;D
-
If a few of us are attending on our own, we should all go for a drink beforehand ;D
Sounds like a plan! Don't really know the area muself so wouldn't be sure on where to go.
-
If a few of us are attending on our own, we should all go for a drink beforehand ;D
Sounds like a plan! Don't really know the area muself so wouldn't be sure on where to go.
Let me know where you guys end up before the show! Also likely to be alone! Even if my friend comes, he will be sitting elseware by the looks of things haha.
-
Strange sort of presale, at 9am I couldn't find anything worthwhile yet late afternoon I picked up a Row B in the dress circle which I accepted.
Looking forward to it although a little cynical about the drop from playing to 8,000 fans at Wembley to 2000 here and doubling the ticket price. Never would have expected to be paying that kind of money a few years back. That said I'd take anywhere over a half empty draughty dark shed that has been Wembley :tup
-
Finally not Wembley again. The sound quality was always poor. However the prices are shocking I'll still pay though.
I need to wait a week or so before booking, judging by this post t's going to sell out or almost has. I suppose there is a high chance of another night seeing the gap and Paris gets two nights.
-
I'm in two minds about a second night in London - initially I thought for sure, whilst Wembley was just too big the last few tours they could easily manage a couple of nights at Hammersmith and therefore easily 2-3 nights at the Palladium. The fact that they've already announced both nights in Paris and that tickets there are quite a bit cheaper makes me think it's an expensive one-hit for London. I'd assume there will be a show in the Midlands or North.
-
I'm pretty sure that they're in theatres for this album because of the concept, stage setup, visual setup etc. For that reason alone, I think they're trying to limit the variables that can make such a show a risk to setup, by having fewer cities and by having a proper theatre setting which is more suitable for a show of this size. If I'm to guess (and to clarify - I do not know much more than you do at this point), I think the cities you see in the list right now are going to almost all of them be 2-nighters. Maybe even 3-nighters if the market is there for it.
-
I think the issue is that they are becoming more popular in Eastern Europe. Look at their tour schedules for recent tours - more dates in the East each time. Unfortunately the tours aren't getting longer, so that seems to translate into fewer dates in the UK.
-
It'll certainly be a nice setting for the show, guess if the tickets sell quickly tomorrow another date will be announced shortly after.
-
It'll certainly be a nice setting for the show, guess if the tickets sell quickly tomorrow another date will be announced shortly after.
I don't think you can just book a venue for a second date a few months before I reckon it's done way in advance. Maybe why there are all the gaps, they want everyone to fill up the first day before they realise the second.. Anyway Symphony X play the 19th so that wont be very good I want to go to that too.
-
I've seen bands add 2nd dates due to overwhelming demand pretty quickly. I think they may provisionally book it just in case.
-
bought two row t tickets not together but how will we know how many are left its only a 2800 venue, plus I have seen some ebay tickets already at nearly three times the price, digusting and I am being polite
-
It'll certainly be a nice setting for the show, guess if the tickets sell quickly tomorrow another date will be announced shortly after.
I don't think you can just book a venue for a second date a few months before I reckon it's done way in advance. Maybe why there are all the gaps, they want everyone to fill up the first day before they realise the second.. Anyway Symphony X play the 19th so that wont be very good I want to go to that too.
Oh no doubt the venue is secured in advance, I meant the announcement will come sooner than later if the sales are brisk.
I hadn't realised the Symphony X show was so close, I'm going to Islington Assembly Hall regardless of a potential date clash - much rarer event, seen them twice and DT 20-something times and expect that gap to widen.
-
In the end i had to decide whether the Gold VIP was worth it. So plunged for that. Royal Circle..that will do. Could not take the chance of missing this
-
They went quick. Row L stalls for me. I was excited looking at it again it's 12 rows back but then again the stage is very high and I didn't want to be looking up all the time so it might be good :metal
-
The Gold VIP is only worth it if you want good seats - I'm in the stalls, but looking at the venue website, I think the Royal Circle may have a better view!
Anyway, just hoping everyone has managed to find tickets now - The next 3 months are going to drag!
Stage is only high if you're sitting - I intend to stand!
-
9:00 am on the dot, constantly refreshing the page, the very second the tickets come up, i click royal circle, and proceed to purchase my tickets. I am then told i need to create an account or log on with facebook. I log on with facebook, and the page comes up with an error and i have to start all over again. And all the royal circle tickets were gone :( (well it let me buy 2 only)
All of the above happened within the space of 10 seconds. So annoying.
Got a stalls ticket anyway, about half way back directly infront of the stage.
Looking forward to it!
-
If a few of us are attending on our own, we should all go for a drink beforehand ;D
Sounds like a plan! Don't really know the area muself so wouldn't be sure on where to go.
Let me know where you guys end up before the show! Also likely to be alone! Even if my friend comes, he will be sitting elseware by the looks of things haha.
Wouldnt mind this either
-
9:00 am on the dot, constantly refreshing the page, the very second the tickets come up, i click royal circle, and proceed to purchase my tickets. I am then told i need to create an account or log on with facebook. I log on with facebook, and the page comes up with an error and i have to start all over again. And all the royal circle tickets were gone :( (well it let me buy 2 only)
All of the above happened within the space of 10 seconds. So annoying.
Got a stalls ticket anyway, about half way back directly infront of the stage.
Looking forward to it!
Hate to tell you but you didn't have to log in at all.
I just ignored that part and filled out the form underneath and purchased the tickets.
I just got row G, 8 and 9 directly in front of JP :)
Does mean I need to sell my P, 15 seat.
Anyone interested? haha.
-
Wow row G all the way in front me of me :o. I rushed bought just in case it went. Someone say row L isn't too bad :\ It is on a slope so that's good.
-
Courtesy of Theatre Monkey, here's a seating plan...
Seats in GREEN many feel may offer either noticeable value, or something to compensate for a problem; for example, being a well-priced restricted view ticket. Any seats coloured LIGHT GREEN are sold at "premium" prices because the show producer thinks they are the best. The monkey says "you are only getting what you pay for" but uses this colour to highlight the ones it feels best at the price, and help everybody else find equally good seats nearby at lower prices. To find out why they have this colour click here (https://www.theatremonkey.com/PALLADIUMbooking.htm#Th).
Seats in WHITE, many feel, provided about what they pay for. Generally unremarkable, to find out why they have this colour, click here.
Seats in RED are coloured to draw attention. Not necessarily to be avoided - maybe nothing specific is wrong with them, other than opinions that there are better seats at the same price. Other times there may be something to consider before buying – perhaps overpricing, obstructed views, less comfort etc. To find out why they have this colour, click here.
(https://www.theatremonkey.com/images/zlondonpalladiumweekOCT15.gif)
It looks like the only Stall seats left are restricted view ones, so I'll hold on to my Row T ticket.
-
Scratch that - I've just nabbed a better central Row N ticket :)
-
https://www.seatplan.com/uk/london/london-palladium/stalls/ (https://www.seatplan.com/uk/london/london-palladium/stalls/)
Do use this site to check out seats ^^^^
If it is coloured it means it has a review that you can read. If it has a blue triangle it means there is a photograph of the view from the seat.
Very useful!!
-
genome, the colours are probably more aimed at theatre. I booked towards stage right on purpose to get more JP
-
It wouldn't really be that much different, same seating plan.
-
I'm wrong looking at the photos. I thought the stage covered more of the seating :facepalm:
-
9:00 am on the dot, constantly refreshing the page, the very second the tickets come up, i click royal circle, and proceed to purchase my tickets. I am then told i need to create an account or log on with facebook. I log on with facebook, and the page comes up with an error and i have to start all over again. And all the royal circle tickets were gone :( (well it let me buy 2 only)
All of the above happened within the space of 10 seconds. So annoying.
Got a stalls ticket anyway, about half way back directly infront of the stage.
Looking forward to it!
Hate to tell you but you didn't have to log in at all.
I just ignored that part and filled out the form underneath and purchased the tickets.
I just got row G, 8 and 9 directly in front of JP :)
Does mean I need to sell my P, 15 seat.
Anyone interested? haha.
Ahh man. Oh well. I still got a decent ticket by the looks of things. Row Q for me straight down the middle, which is just in front of that green row in the diagram the genome posted.
-
Just noticed that on the Ticketmaster.co.uk site, the map for selecting your seat for the show has no Row A.
I only noticed this as I have tickets for Row B, and now I'm thinking I'm the very front row if there is no Row A.
I wonder has Row A has been removed to allow room for an orchestra...?
-
Just noticed that on the Ticketmaster.co.uk site, the map for selecting your seat for the show has no Row A.
I only noticed this as I have tickets for Row B, and now I'm thinking I'm the very front row if there is no Row A.
I wonder has Row A has been removed to allow room for an orchestra...?
While it's a nice idea ;) It's not really practical at the Palladium.
(https://i.imgbox.com/NLSszsR4.jpg)
As you can see, the orchestra pit already exists so if they were to have an orchestra I'd assume that they would either make use of the pit but more likely have it on stage for all to see. Removing row A (if at all possible), would only create around 1m of extra space before the pit.
-
Just noticed that on the Ticketmaster.co.uk site, the map for selecting your seat for the show has no Row A.
I only noticed this as I have tickets for Row B, and now I'm thinking I'm the very front row if there is no Row A.
I wonder has Row A has been removed to allow room for an orchestra...?
vip tickets were sold seperately right? I think those are vip seats?
I'd assume that if they use an orchestra or a big band of some kind, they'd use the Orchestra box/space present in most (all?) of these theaters. Would be a bit odd to have an orchestra right in front of you and probably not very nice for the acoustics.
-
Just noticed that on the Ticketmaster.co.uk site, the map for selecting your seat for the show has no Row A.
I only noticed this as I have tickets for Row B, and now I'm thinking I'm the very front row if there is no Row A.
I wonder has Row A has been removed to allow room for an orchestra...?
While it's a nice idea ;) It's not really practical at the Palladium.
(https://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/LondonPalladium/Photos2011/Auditorium4.jpg)
As you can see, the orchestra pit already exists so if they were to have an orchestra I'd assume that they would either make use of the pit but more likely have it on stage for all to see. Removing row A (if at all possible), would only create around 1m of extra space before the pit.
Ahhh I see what you mean. I've never been to the Palladium and the pics I checked out didn't show the pit. I did see several different arrangements of the stage front area/pit so it is obviously easily altered to suit each show or performance.
So what you're saying does make sense, that one less Row of Seats wouldn't exactly allow much extra room for anything interesting.
But I still wonder why is Row A not on the ticketmaster seating map? Gotta be using that space for something, probably something totally uninteresting ha!
Just noticed that on the Ticketmaster.co.uk site, the map for selecting your seat for the show has no Row A.
I only noticed this as I have tickets for Row B, and now I'm thinking I'm the very front row if there is no Row A.
I wonder has Row A has been removed to allow room for an orchestra...?
vip tickets were sold seperately right? I think those are vip seats?
I'd assume that if they use an orchestra or a big band of some kind, they'd use the Orchestra box/space present in most (all?) of these theaters. Would be a bit odd to have an orchestra right in front of you and probably not very nice for the acoustics.
I did inititally think they were not shown because they were VIP Premium seats, but I can see the VIP Premium seats that I had in my cart at one point during the presale the other day on that ticketmaster seating map.
It's probably some really boring explanation why Row A is missing! Fire Safety reasons, or perhaps security staff or something. Just thought it was interesting that I may actually be in the front Row even though I'm in Row B!
-
So, are there even any tickets left?
Prices are pretty extreme though, not sure I can really justify it before I even know if I'm going to like the album.
-
So, are there even any tickets left?
Prices are pretty extreme though, not sure I can really justify it before I even know if I'm going to like the album.
The aloud.com selling site shows tickets available in about 10 of 12 categories, they have more options than Ticketmaster.
-
Prices are pretty extreme though, not sure I can really justify it before I even know if I'm going to like the album.
Yeah this is an issue for me too, especially once I factor in the hefty transport and accommodation costs. Then there's also wondering whether or not they're going to add in any other UK dates that would be easier and cheaper to get to than London. It would be better if they could confirm that sort of thing before making tickets available for the already confirmed shows. Though by the looks of it, it seems any additional UK show(s) would also be in London.
-
Booked my tickets. Can anyone local recommend the best place to find the cheapest accommodation for 2 people nearby to the Palladium? Not experienced with London at all!
-
£7.15 "booking fee" by the way :tdwn
-
Just noticed that on the Ticketmaster.co.uk site, the map for selecting your seat for the show has no Row A.
I only noticed this as I have tickets for Row B, and now I'm thinking I'm the very front row if there is no Row A.
I wonder has Row A has been removed to allow room for an orchestra...?
I have tickets in row B but can't find the seating plan that you mentioned that had row B as front row. Is there anyone out there who had tickets in row A??
-
Screenshot from StubHub.
(https://i65.tinypic.com/5zibuh.png)
Guess that confirms that row A does exist..?
-
Screenshot from StubHub.
(https://i65.tinypic.com/5zibuh.png)
Guess that confirms that row A does exist..?
Thanks Billzo, I thought that it would still exist but after reading a comment on here I started to wonder.
-
Thanks Billzo, I thought that it would still exist but after reading a comment on here I started to wonder.
I did wonder myself. On ticketmaster the row is not visible. Very strange!
Incidentally, I've just listed my spare Stalls ticket in the DT-Bay thread. Check it out if you need a decent single ticket!
-
Wonder when/if a second London show will be announced? Tickets seem to down to the rear of the upper circle or the front row with a restricted view of that area.
Maybe they're not confident of selling out a second night? All the other dates so far have a second night.
-
Wonder when/if a second London show will be announced? Tickets seem to down to the rear of the upper circle or the front row with a restricted view of that area.
Maybe they're not confident of selling out a second night? All the other dates so far have a second night.
Two nights in Amsterdam and France so far. I would have thought that they would do a couple more nights in the UK but not London (Sheffield City Hall maybe one of them?). Though if they were to announce another night at the Palladium then I'd be there in a flash!
-
Thanks Billzo, I thought that it would still exist but after reading a comment on here I started to wonder.
I did wonder myself. On ticketmaster the row is not visible. Very strange!
Incidentally, I've just listed my spare Stalls ticket in the DT-Bay thread. Check it out if you need a decent single ticket!
Thanks but I already have tickets (Stalls Row B)! Sure that you'll be able to sell your spare no probs.
-
Thanks Billzo, I thought that it would still exist but after reading a comment on here I started to wonder.
I did wonder myself. On ticketmaster the row is not visible. Very strange!
I could never find that seating plan with Row A omitted??
-
Wonder when/if a second London show will be announced? Tickets seem to down to the rear of the upper circle or the front row with a restricted view of that area.
Maybe they're not confident of selling out a second night? All the other dates so far have a second night.
Two nights in Amsterdam and France so far. I would have thought that they would do a couple more nights in the UK but not London (Sheffield City Hall maybe one of them?). Though if they were to announce another night at the Palladium then I'd be there in a flash!
If they announce in London for the next night I'll be gutted as Symphony X are also in London that night.
Reading the press release again the impression is that the tour starts in London, it's not usual to add an extra date before the first one (in case of a poor/moderate sell) therefore it looks like they only realistically have the Friday and Saturday for more dates within the UK as a whole. Bit tough on people outside the South East.
-
I'm on the mailing list for all the major ticket agencies and this show wasn't mentioned on any of them. I wonder how many DT fans would love to go to this show if only they knew it was happening? It's as if the UK promoters just don't care. DT have been playing to smaller and smaller audiences on recent UK visits - if the promoters don't start to advertise gigs, then they won't sell out, and the band will be booked into smaller and smaller venues until such a time as they skip the UK entirely.
-
I'm on the mailing list for all the major ticket agencies and this show wasn't mentioned on any of them. I wonder how many DT fans would love to go to this show if only they knew it was happening? It's as if the UK promoters just don't care. DT have been playing to smaller and smaller audiences on recent UK visits - if the promoters don't start to advertise gigs, then they won't sell out, and the band will be booked into smaller and smaller venues until such a time as they skip the UK entirely.
I received an email from Seetickets yesterday, though I'm fairly sure pretty much all the good tickets were already gone by that point.
-
I could never find that seating plan with Row A omitted??
Just go to ticketmaster.co.uk, type in dream theater, click find tickets for palladium show, then click use map, then click stalls. Check front row in the map.. click any seat.. will show row B.
(https://i63.tinypic.com/2hgsq9y.png)
-
I could never find that seating plan with Row A omitted??
Just go to ticketmaster.co.uk, type in dream theater, click find tickets for palladium show, then click use map, then click stalls. Check front row in the map.. click any seat.. will show row B.
(https://i63.tinypic.com/2hgsq9y.png)
Row A must have been excluded as it was VIP Packages? Anyone out there with a Row A seat in the stalls?
-
2nd show is added
-
2nd show is added
Second night at Palladium?? I can't see that on their website?
-
I'm a bit pee'd off that they have announced a second Palladium date today. I was working when the tickets for the only show they announced went on sale and by the time I got home, all the good seats were gone and there were only ones left near the back and at the sides left available. So desperately not wanting to miss this show I booked a crappy ticket on the premise that a "crappy ticket", (even that a very high price of 60+ quid!) is better than NO ticket!!...Now it seems like a whole new lot of MUCH better tickets (at the same price!) will be available to see them. I guess thats the way it goes but it does leave a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.
-
Same price? Pretty sure the better tickets are quite a bit more expensive.
-
I already got my tickets for London, but I hope they add a second UK show for all those who couldn't get tickets for the 18th (and for some of us greedy gits who will go to both!)
I agree it's a kind of crappy that there's only one UK show when there are 6 shows German!
On aside note, I'm flying from Dublin for this show and I was looking for a hotel for the night. The prices I found were absolutely outrageous - £200 for one night!!
But I looked around a bit and managed to get the IBIS hotel right beside Wembley Park which is only 4 short tube stops away from the Palladium location at a cost of £46 for one night.
I actually stayed in there the last time DT played in Wembley and it's a very decent hotel for the price. So anybody looking for a very reasonably priced hotel I recommend checking out the IBIS at Wembley Park
-
Same price? Pretty sure the better tickets are quite a bit more expensive.
NO, you are wrong. I didn't say that the BEST seats will be the same price but there will be BETTER ones much more central and closer than all I was able to get, that will be the SAME price as what i have paid.
-
Note if you go straight to aloud.com you have the best choice of seats, much more than the DT link off their website which restricts to a few rows.
Ticketbastard also have a reasonable section but Aloud.com have the best - I just got Royal Circle Row A.
Now how to still see Symphony X...damnit....
-
I already got my tickets for London, but I hope they add a second UK show for all those who couldn't get tickets for the 18th (and for some of us greedy gits who will go to both!)
I agree it's a kind of crappy that there's only one UK show when there are 6 shows German!
On aside note, I'm flying from Dublin for this show and I was looking for a hotel for the night. The prices I found were absolutely outrageous - £200 for one night!!
But I looked around a bit and managed to get the IBIS hotel right beside Wembley Park which is only 4 short tube stops away from the Palladium location at a cost of £46 for one night.
I actually stayed in there the last time DT played in Wembley and it's a very decent hotel for the price. So anybody looking for a very reasonably priced hotel I recommend checking out the IBIS at Wembley Park
Ibis are my choice anywhere in Europe for value, not luxury but clean and decent and good value. Central London hotels are going to be silly money as you noted.
if you're staying a few days think about an Oyster card or you'll get stung for a full price day travelcard both days , 4 stops on should only be £1.50 on the card.
-
Aloud.com have Row A tickets on sale - so there deffo is a row A!
-
2nd London show 19th Feb - tickets on sale right now!
I see someone already posted this but I'm not sure the link was on the DT site earlier?
-
Ticketmaster again excluding row A.
So weird.
Tickets going so fast for the second show. I'm not sour about it at all because my Thursday night tickets are so good.
-
Tickets going so fast for the second show. I'm not sour about it at all because my Thursday night tickets are so good.
I would've preferred the Friday night show but I am happy with my seats for Thursday.
-
Ticketmaster again excluding row A.
So weird.
Tickets going so fast for the second show. I'm not sour about it at all because my Thursday night tickets are so good.
Thats fair enough then for you, but I can't help feeling that "WORKING" career long fans of the band like myself, who has seen them on every tour over here since 1993, have been screwed over by this and have ended up with having crap seats by showing their loyalty to the band by buying the rubbish choice of tickets that were left last Wednesday evening when we got home from work, rather than missing them completely :( I know thats what happens on occasions and will happen again, but it still is annoying!!
-
So many things to consider as to why they had to play it like this.
I'm pretty sure that they didn't go out of their way to screw people over!
It's just one of those "You can't please everyone" kinda things.
-
So many things to consider as to why they had to play it like this.
I'm pretty sure that they didn't go out of their way to screw people over!
It's just one of those "You can't please everyone" kinda things.
Lets all remember that it is likely to be the band's agency / people working behind the scene's rather than the band themselves. Can't quiet see JLB saying right boys lets get these tickets sold, JM why don'y you press the big green button!
I really do agree that loyality does not seem to be recognised now and I wish that we could have some sort of password to get to the best tickets first but I guess that is hard to manage. In buying tickets for the second night I certainly felt that there was less of a rush for tickets. Just hoping they sell both nights out with fans! I have great memories of watching DT doing back to back nights in London for 6DOIT and Octavarium tours so had to do the same again!
-
Yeah it's not an ideal way to do things from a fans perspective - especially if they happen to add further shows elsewhere in the UK - but I suppose it's a pretty complicated thing to organise.
Anyway, I told myself I wouldn't do it, but I've just bought a ticket for the 2nd night :facepalm: :biggrin: I managed to get row H and a seat right in the centre and what seems like a good deal at the Radisson Blu less than a mile from the theatre - breakfast included and the option to cancel right up until the day before if needed. Now I just have to organise transport. This album better be good :lol
-
All of which is why I prefer standing gigs. Wanna get to the front? Then get there early and queue...
(Of course the old days when you used to queue at the box office are over...)
-
All of which is why I prefer standing gigs. Wanna get to the front? Then get there early and queue...
I do really miss the days of "An Evening With Dream Theater" at Hammersmith :)
Arriving at like mid-day.. waiting by the doors for 6 hours, chatting, meeting new people, crowd singing DT tunes... really added to the atmosphere and it felt extra special when they finally stepped out on stage :)
Ahh mere memories...
-
Got my ticket for the 18th - Row G, Seat 39.
I'll be flying over from Belfast with the family and making a weekend of it. I just went for a Premier Inn - hopefully will do the job.
Very pleased that they've announced the Friday show too. Let's just hope the Thursday show won't feel a little rough as it will be the opening night of the tour.. I'm sure it won't be.
Now, let's be having the album in plenty of time for us to absorb it before the show! :tup
-
It's not the band that makes the announcements or decides which nights are announced and confirmed. Usually the promoter books the band for a night, and in the cases where two nighters may be a possibility they will option the second night. If they don't sell the first night quick enough they won't use the option for the second night. That's what has happened here - they didn't sell out quick enough to announce the second night. In Oslo they announced the second night 10 minutes after the release of tickets to the general public because it sold out so quickly. Turns out they also optioned for a third night in Oslo which they now are evaluating whether to use.
-
Yeah it's not an ideal way to do things from a fans perspective - especially if they happen to add further shows elsewhere in the UK - but I suppose it's a pretty complicated thing to organise.
Anyway, I told myself I wouldn't do it, but I've just bought a ticket for the 2nd night :facepalm: :biggrin: I managed to get row H and a seat right in the centre and what seems like a good deal at the Radisson Blu less than a mile from the theatre - breakfast included and the option to cancel right up until the day before if needed. Now I just have to organise transport. This album better be good :lol
And there M'lud you have it, exhibit A for the prosecution!!....... :angry:
-
Dammit :tdwn I got two tickets for the 18th after nabbing a better seat the 2nd time around, and I'm trying to sell my other ticket for the 18th. This is going to make it a lot harder to sell!
If anyone wants a ticket (Row T Stalls) for the 18th, holla...
-
Thought about it all day....just got home, gave in and got 2 tickets for the second night!!
Always wanted to see DT 2 nights in a row. Hopefully my ears will survive ;D
Figured I'm in the Stalls the first night so why not check out the Royal Circle view for the second show! Bought from Aloud.com, managed to get Royal Circle Row A seats 20 & 21.
The first Royal Circle ones they offered were Row A seats 1 & 2, I just backed up a page and tried again and they offered Row A seats 3 & 4 and I saw the pattern emerging... Repeated this maybe 10 times until I was offered Row A 20 & 21.
The trick is not to release the tickets they offer you, just press back button on your browser and go again. Rinse and repeat until they give you the seats you want ;)
Can't wait for these shows, February just can't come quick enough!
-
Dream Theater @dreamtheaternet 34 mins34 minutes ago
UK fans, be sure you get to The Palladium. London is the only UK city we’re visiting this time. Don’t miss the show! https://bit.ly/20HvPwP
-
It's going to be really big!
My daddy doesn't want to go though, he would rather be at a Van Halen concert... :lol
-
Booked it!!!
-
Is it possible to just buy the meet & greet pass as i have already bought the ticket?
-
Is anyone going to not listen to the cd until the concert? If I were able to go to one of the first few shows, I think it would be cool not to listen before the concert.
-
Is it possible to just buy the meet & greet pass as i have already bought the ticket?
Which show have you got your ticket for? If you look here: https://www.dreamtheater.net/tour - it looks like if you're going to the first night on the 18th, that you can buy a VIP upgrade. But if you're going to the second night on the 19th, those options also include a ticket.
Is anyone going to not listen to the cd until the concert? If I were able to go to one of the first few shows, I think it would be cool not to listen before the concert.
No way I'd be doing that personally. I want to know the songs pretty well so I can get the most enjoyment out of the night - sing along etc. Even if it's just 1 new song a band is playing at a gig, I always wish I'd been able to hear it a few times in advance, but if it's a whole show like this is? Definitely not for me. I imagine some people see it differently and might do it though, but it'll be hard holding off from the album for those first 3 weeks!
-
im going to the 2nd night. you think there is a chance they will sale just the pass?
-
Well I don't know how it all works, but maybe once most or all of the normal tickets are sold out, they might start offering VIP upgrades like with the first night? But like I say, I don't really know anything about VIP tickets, meet & greet or anything like that, I've never done them before for any gigs.
-
Well I don't know how it all works, but maybe once most or all of the normal tickets are sold out, they might start offering VIP upgrades like with the first night? But like I say, I don't really know anything about VIP tickets, meet & greet or anything like that, I've never done them before for any gigs.
hopefuly they will my friend. thanks!
-
No way I'd be doing that personally. I want to know the songs pretty well so I can get the most enjoyment out of the night - sing along etc. Even if it's just 1 new song a band is playing at a gig, I always wish I'd been able to hear it a few times in advance, but if it's a whole show like this is? Definitely not for me. I imagine some people see it differently and might do it though, but it'll be hard holding off from the album for those first 3 weeks!
I fully agree. When a band breaks out a new song you kinda listen and be like "Ah that sounded ok, I'll have to check it out when the album is out"... then you get the album... fall in love with the song and then have to wait another year to see it live again.
With DT, I just have to know the songs like the back of my hand. Which is why it's going to be very strange only having a few weeks to get used to the album.
Just going to have to listen INTENSIVELY the moment the album comes out and hope that it is one of those DT albums that grows on me instantly rather than ones that take a good few spins for it to click.
We shall see!
-
I'm going! Couldn't afford it when the first night was on sale, then they announced the second night, and luckily I'd been paid, so I thought why not. Although this means that I'm going literally alone because all of my friends are there on the first night Proper excited though.
I'll definitely be listening before the concert, one of the reasons I wasn't too bothered about going at first was because I got the dates mixed and thought they were releasing the album AFTER these dates. Now I know I'll have a couple weeks to get into it first I'm way happier. I find it hard to click with any music when it's live for the first time, it just kinda washes over you with no point of reference, nothing to get excited about that's coming up, loses a load of emotional appeal with me.
Is anyone sorting a forum meetup beforehand or anything?
-
I'm going! Couldn't afford it when the first night was on sale, then they announced the second night, and luckily I'd been paid, so I thought why not. Although this means that I'm going literally alone because all of my friends are there on the first night Proper excited though.
I'll definitely be listening before the concert, one of the reasons I wasn't too bothered about going at first was because I got the dates mixed and thought they were releasing the album AFTER these dates. Now I know I'll have a couple weeks to get into it first I'm way happier. I find it hard to click with any music when it's live for the first time, it just kinda washes over you with no point of reference, nothing to get excited about that's coming up, loses a load of emotional appeal with me.
Is anyone sorting a forum meetup beforehand or anything?
Did you only get the one ticket? I'm considering going now (got a payrise at work so could actually afford it!).
-
I have a ticket for the first night going if anyone's interested.
-
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-further-industrial-action-on-tube/ (https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-further-industrial-action-on-tube/)
If anyone is going to the first show get your travel plans in place as Tube strikes are taking place from 17th Feb at 9:00pm until 18th Feb at 8:59pm.
Ugh.
-
Bloody unions!
-
I propose the following.
Pre-Show meet up at The Argyll Arms (On the same street as the Palladium).
A very cool pub that I hope won't be completely rammed by the time we get there :lol
Quite fitting really as it has a secret tunnel that connects the pub to the Palladium as the theatre used to be a mansion owned by the Duke of Argyll and he wanted a more discreet route to the pub :rollin It also has a bar upstairs called The Palladium Bar.
I'd imagine people will meet from around 4pm onwards?
Who's in?
-
I propose the following.
Pre-Show meet up at The Argyll Arms (On the same street as the Palladium).
A very cool pub that I hope won't be completely rammed by the time we get there :lol
Quite fitting really as it has a secret tunnel that connects the pub to the Palladium as the theatre used to be a mansion owned by the Duke of Argyll and he wanted a more discreet route to the pub :rollin It also has a bar upstairs called The Palladium Bar.
I'd imagine people will meet from around 4pm onwards?
Who's in?
Count me in on the 19th :metal
-
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-further-industrial-action-on-tube/ (https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-further-industrial-action-on-tube/)
If anyone is going to the first show get your travel plans in place as Tube strikes are taking place from 17th Feb at 9:00pm until 18th Feb at 8:59pm.
Ugh.
Thanks for that. What's the best non-tube route from Paddington? Bus?
-
To be honest from Paddington you could walk.
Oh, and we should be supporting the unions over this. TFL are trying to cut 800 safety-critical jobs. I don't really want to be travelling on an unsafe tube - do you?
-
I've done that before, was a bit of a trek. I'm not sure I fancy walking after an intense 3-hour metal gig!
-
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-further-industrial-action-on-tube/ (https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-confirms-further-industrial-action-on-tube/)
If anyone is going to the first show get your travel plans in place as Tube strikes are taking place from 17th Feb at 9:00pm until 18th Feb at 8:59pm.
Ugh.
Union *ossers!!!.....that just about puts the icing in the cake about my frustration at having to get a rubbish ticket for the 18th only to see loads better ones appear a few days later for the 19th!!....As now if the tubes are on strike (won't be on the 19th of course!!) then that's going to seriously mess up my travel plans as I was driving down to a station on the outskirts of London and then going to get the tube into the centre (not to mention travelling around the City during the day too!).
Anyone want to buy a crap seat ticket for the 18th? :(:(
-
Oh, and we should be supporting the unions over this.
Eh, no. The transport unions are a joke.
-
I may not be going to this anymore. My dad really didn't like the album. :|
-
I may not be going to this anymore. My dad really didn't like the album. :|
Could you not go on your own? That's what I'm doing ;D
Has anyone received their tickets yet?
-
Has anyone had their physical ticket shipped/delivered yet for the London shows? I ordered off ticketmaster a few months ago and was just a bit concerned about the lack of activity :P
-
I got mine last week
-
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rates-of-pay-and-conditions-of-service-and-night-running-lul2901/ (https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rates-of-pay-and-conditions-of-service-and-night-running-lul2901/)
The tube strike has been suspended, thank fuck. Looking forward to this gig!
-
We will be counting those going to the opening show to give us a review of the concert.
-
Good news about the tube strike. That could have been a huge pain.
Anyone else feeling under pressure to get all the lyrics learnt in two-and-a-bit weeks? :)
-
I propose the following.
Pre-Show meet up at The Argyll Arms (On the same street as the Palladium).
A very cool pub that I hope won't be completely rammed by the time we get there :lol
Quite fitting really as it has a secret tunnel that connects the pub to the Palladium as the theatre used to be a mansion owned by the Duke of Argyll and he wanted a more discreet route to the pub :rollin It also has a bar upstairs called The Palladium Bar.
I'd imagine people will meet from around 4pm onwards?
Who's in?
I'll be there. Just booked my travel :)
-
I'll be working until 5pm and then setting off from Reading via train, hopefully getting to the theatre around 6:30. I'll pop in for a drink :)
-
I've done that before, was a bit of a trek. I'm not sure I fancy walking after an intense 3-hour metal gig!
You should be fine since there is very little metal on this album :biggrin:
-
A week today!
-
A week today!
Woo hoo - can't wait. :metal
-
I will try and take some pictures and maybe a couple of videos!
-
Some intense discussions going on on FB regarding terrorist threats. Now I can't stop thinking about it :-\
-
Some intense discussions going on on FB regarding terrorist threats. Now I can't stop thinking about it :-\
I think it's best not to get hung up on that sort of thing, or you'd end up never leaving the house! :lol
-
Some intense discussions going on on FB regarding terrorist threats. Now I can't stop thinking about it :-\
I think it's best not to get hung up on that sort of thing, or you'd end up never leaving the house! :lol
Exactly this. I'm never going to let what those nutters do affect my life or stop me from seeing this masterpiece in it's entirety live in a beautiful theatre.
You just can't let them get to you. The more you do the more they win.
-
Very excited about this now.. Only 3 days of work and a 6:15 flight on Thursday morning to get through..
However, I think I'm failing in my attempt at learning all the lyrics in time. I'd say I've got maybe about 70% or so. How sad would it be to print them out, or have them on the phone during the concert? :biggrin:
-
Very excited about this now.. Only 3 days of work and a 6:15 flight on Thursday morning to get through..
However, I think I'm failing in my attempt at learning all the lyrics in time. I'd say I've got maybe about 70% or so. How sad would it be to print them out, or have them on the phone during the concert? :biggrin:
LOL the printout would be preeeety sad and if you had them on your phone people would just think you were texting/uninterested haha!
Just push for that last 30%.
To be honest, I'm only at like 40% probably. Maybe less. But I know all lyrics to my favourite sections and songs so that will do me. Might learn some more at work over the next few days :) I booked Thursday and Friday off work so I can get prepared Thursday and lay in bed in awe on Friday :lol
-
LOL the printout would be preeeety sad and if you had them on your phone people would just think you were texting/uninterested haha!
Just push for that last 30%.
To be honest, I'm only at like 40% probably. Maybe less. But I know all lyrics to my favourite sections and songs so that will do me. Might learn some more at work over the next few days :) I booked Thursday and Friday off work so I can get prepared Thursday and lay in bed in awe on Friday :lol
OK, OK. Good advice there.. but what if I hid the lyrics sheet in the inside pocket of my anorak, along with the hamster and the dodgy postcards? No one would ever know.. :lol
-
LOL the printout would be preeeety sad and if you had them on your phone people would just think you were texting/uninterested haha!
Just push for that last 30%.
To be honest, I'm only at like 40% probably. Maybe less. But I know all lyrics to my favourite sections and songs so that will do me. Might learn some more at work over the next few days :) I booked Thursday and Friday off work so I can get prepared Thursday and lay in bed in awe on Friday :lol
OK, OK. Good advice there.. but what if I hid the lyrics sheet in the inside pocket of my anorak, along with the hamster and the dodgy postcards? No one would ever know.. :lol
:lol I'll leave it down to you dude.
You gonna come for a drink in the Argyll Arms beforehand? I guess a few of us will be there from late afternoon.
-
Yeah, I will hopefully make it there, although I'm not sure what time at. I'll be travelling over with the wife and kids - we're making a long weekend of it and doing the typical London touristy stuff - so I'll have to see what time I can get away.
You'd almost think I planned this weekend around the DT gig.. :angel:
-
Yeah, I will hopefully make it there, although I'm not sure what time at. I'll be travelling over with the wife and kids - we're making a long weekend of it and doing the typical London touristy stuff - so I'll have to see what time I can get away.
You'd almost think I planned this weekend around the DT gig.. :angel:
Haha great work! *admiration... applause... cheers...*
-
Anyone know when the Meet and Greet emails are being sent out??
-
Very excited about this now.. Only 3 days of work and a 6:15 flight on Thursday morning to get through..
However, I think I'm failing in my attempt at learning all the lyrics in time. I'd say I've got maybe about 70% or so. How sad would it be to print them out, or have them on the phone during the concert? :biggrin:
LOL the printout would be preeeety sad and if you had them on your phone people would just think you were texting/uninterested haha!
Just push for that last 30%.
To be honest, I'm only at like 40% probably. Maybe less. But I know all lyrics to my favourite sections and songs so that will do me. Might learn some more at work over the next few days :) I booked Thursday and Friday off work so I can get prepared Thursday and lay in bed in awe on Friday :lol
Dunno if I'm missing something, but why would you need 100% of the lyrics memorised?
-
Dunno if I'm missing something, but why would you need 100% of the lyrics memorised?
You definitely don't need to, and I won't be able to - I just want to be able to follow the story, and even sing along to my favourite parts if the mood takes me.. I could also be my OCD kicking in. :)
Two weeks is a pretty short time to pick up all the lyrics to an album of this length, that's for sure!
-
I'm rather hoping people near me don't sing along too much as it detracts a lot from the performance and at a seated gig I can't move elsewhere. :P
-
I'm rather hoping people near me don't sing along too much as it detracts a lot from the performance and at a seated gig I can't move elsewhere. :P
If I'm anywhere near you, feel free to tell me to shut up. You'll be doing a public service! :lol
That's an interesting point actually - what do you think the "etiquette" will be? As it's seated, do you think folks will treat it more like a normal theatre performance, or do you think people will be standing up, "grooving" and singing along?
-
I honestly don't know. The last show was seated (and possibly the one before) but at Wembley Stadium, so definitely a gig atmosphere and lots of people stood. As this is a theatre, it might feel a bit weird to be stood throughout.
-
It will be cool to see what kind of vibe it is. I'm happy to stand or just stay seated and absorb everything. I wonder what the band would prefer to see, in terms of audience feedback?
I suspect the sitting/standing thing will be determined by whatever the guy in front does! :lol
-
Has anybody been emailed the Meet and Greet information yet?
-
Only 3 days of work and a 6:15 flight on Thursday morning to get through..
Or as Nafaryus would say,
"You only have three days, HAHAHAHAHA"
-
I'm in Row D, and I'll be standing throughout - even if I'm the only one!
-
Row N represent
-
I'm in Row D, and I'll be standing throughout - even if I'm the only one!
Looks like somebody in Row E will be standing then as well! :P
I'm Row G, seat 39, which seems to be on the JM side. Hopefully not too near the side of the stage.
-
Yeah... I'm pretty sure that when the lights go down a lot of people are going to stand which will result in the whole stalls standing.
I'm in row G and I just don't think I could sit throughout an entire DT show. Even in a venue like this.
-
When I saw them in Wolverhampton, there was a split down the middle of the hall to break up each row... when the band started the right side of the hall stood up and the left side stayed sat down :rollin
-
When I saw them in Wolverhampton, there was a split down the middle of the hall to break up each row... when the band started the right side of the hall stood up and the left side stayed sat down :rollin
Probably because some inconsiderate person near the front of the right side stood, so everyone else had no choice but to do the same. :P
-
When I saw them in Wolverhampton, there was a split down the middle of the hall to break up each row... when the band started the right side of the hall stood up and the left side stayed sat down :rollin
Probably because some inconsiderate person near the front of the right side stood, so everyone else had no choice but to do the same. :P
:lol
So genome, were you on the right side or the left, that's the question!
-
The right side! The left side slowly stood up by the end of The Enemy Inside, it must've looked weird to the band for a couple of minutes.
-
God I'm way back in Row T, luckily it's raked though.
It's 50/50 for me. Personally I wouldn't mind sitting and concentrating with the video and music, plus my mind starts to wander after just standing there for so long (wouldn't mind if we were jumping and being crazy but... just standing there?!!)
On the other hand, it's a bloody rock (opera) concert and sitting just isn't he done thing ;D
-
I honestly don't mind either way. On one hand I'm thinking that I've paid good money for a good seat in a lovely venue, so it would be nice to actually plant my arse on it. On the other, I'm thinking a bit of standing, hand waving, dad-dancing (ok, maybe not :biggrin:) may be a good way to show some audience feedback to the band.
Of course what this will boil down to is going full "sheep mode", and doing exactly what everyone else around me does. :lol
I guess we'll see, yes, we shall see.. :P
-
God I'm way back in Row T, luckily it's raked though.
It's 50/50 for me. Personally I wouldn't mind sitting and concentrating with the video and music, plus my mind starts to wander after just standing there for so long (wouldn't mind if we were jumping and being crazy but... just standing there?!!)
On the other hand, it's a bloody rock (opera) concert and sitting just isn't he done thing ;D
I'm row T as well I think (on the 19th), I don't think it's toooo far back.
For seated concerts, I do generally prefer people staying seated because otherwise it's unfair on those who are not really able to stand for 2-3 hours but have no choice over where to base themselves. At the last Wembley gig my parents were supposed to be sat with us, but couldn't see anything. In the end they asked a steward for help and he found them a spot up at the side, but they shouldn't have to be in that position.
With these theatre shows in particular, I think it would be a bit weird to stand. Nobody stands when watching a musical, for example.
-
ariich are you in the bar before the show? I don't know if you remember but I met you briefly before the 2014 show at Wembley - with a few others including a girl with a Dream Theater tattoo*. And a chap who was apparently Haken's old keyboardist?
*a lesser known Steig Larsson novel
-
I do indeed remember, and yes Faye (aka nightmare_cinema) and I might pop in for a drink beforehand.
And yeah that was my brother who is the original Haken keyboardist (and indeed currently working on a project with Rich Henshall and also Dan Briggs from BTBAM) - good memory! Sadly he can't make it this time though.
-
Ah yes, I had a good chat with him! I didn't realise he was your brother - nice one.
I'm going on my own on the 19th so would be good to meet up with some DTFers. I tried to find the old Wembley 2014 thread to see if anyone else who went then is going this time, but it looks like it's disappeared. ???
I'll try not to spoil the setlist for you :laugh:
-
I tried to find the old Wembley 2014 thread to see if anyone else who went then is going this time, but it looks like it's disappeared. ???
I looked for that myself recently too, seems to have been deleted or something for some reason :huh:
I'm also gonna be there on my own on the 19th :loser:
-
I'll try not to spoil the setlist for you :laugh:
:lol
-
Anyone know when the Meet and Greet emails are being sent out??
Still haven't got mine.
-
If anyone wants to find me in the Argyll Arms, I've decided to wear a black STAR WARS hoodie as a tribute to epic operas :biggrin:
-
If anyone wants to find me in the Argyll Arms, I've decided to wear a black STAR WARS hoodie as a tribute to epic operas :biggrin:
Is it like this one? :lol
(https://shopbuytrend.com/star-wars/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2015/12/Indica-Plateau-Fashion-Hoodies-Sweatshirts-Star-Wars-1-Fan-Unisex-Adult-Hoodie.jpg)
-
If you want to find me in the pub before the gig, I'll be the guy wearing the Dream Theater shirt.
-
(https://www.rockmetalapparel.com/thumbnail.asp?file=assets/images/ScreenShot2015-12-13at100226AM.png&maxx=375&maxy=0)
FYI, that's not me in the picture :p
-
Can't believe this has finally snuck up on us!
If James manages to ace this it will be amazing. Not to sound like I have no Faythe in him but there are a LOT of lyrics to memorise here. Hopefully he nails it :tup
-
(https://i.imgur.com/brTUK1s.png)
But this is me ^^ So this is EXACTLY... what I will look like :biggrin:
-
But this is me ^^ So this is EXACTLY... what I will look like :biggrin:
I would have stuck with the other pic if I were you... :lol
BTW - in case you missed it, check out the "millennium falcon" in my pic..
-
Tomorrow is going to be a long day at work that's for sure... luckily I have Friday off. I went to Slipknot at Ally Pally last Wednesday and had to get up for work the next morning after getting back to Reading at 1:30. I felt dead.
What time are people getting to the bar?
-
Anyone know when the Meet and Greet emails are being sent out??
Still haven't got mine.
The Songkick website says to email them if you haven't received it 48 hours before the show, but the "email us" link doesn't seem to work. :censored
-
Call them?
-
I had a quick look for you there, and it seems all customer service is done through email.. :tdwn
https://support.songkick.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2170319-how-can-i-contact-you-by-phone-
-
What time are people getting to the bar?
I'll probably be in the Argyll from like 4pm hahaha. I'll go upstairs to see if the "Palladium bar" is any good first as that would be most fitting. But either way, just look for me lol.
I would have stuck with the other pic if I were you... :lol
BTW - in case you missed it, check out the "millennium falcon" in my pic..
LOL so mean!
Falcon in your pic..???
-
Try tweeting them as well.
https://twitter.com/songkick
-
Falcon in your pic..???
"Number one fan" and a picture of the Starship Enterprise.. Never mind - the moment is lost.. I'll get my coat. :lol
-
Falcon in your pic..???
"Number one fan" and a picture of the Starship Enterprise.. Never mind - the moment is lost.. I'll get my coat. :lol
OHHH hahahaha. I didn't even spot that as I just clocked it was the wrong hoodie :lol
-
JR's rig looks interesting. The stand is huge!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbKiaxaUkAEmTJc.jpg)
-
Anyone else think the stage will become Heaven's Cove for most of the 2nd Act?
-
Anyone else think the stage will become Heaven's Cove for most of the 2nd Act?
Yeah! It will be interesting to see how they will dress the stage. I'm thinking it will be mostly display panels with projected images, rather than any real physical props.
JR's rig looks interesting. The stand is huge!
Do you think the keytar will make an appearance? I don't think it will, this time. I can't see where would be appropriate to use it.
-
Just heard back from Songkick - for anyone else waiting for info, the M&G starts at 17.00 for 17.30. Bring ID!
-
Just heard back from Songkick - for anyone else waiting for info, the M&G starts at 17.00 for 17.30. Bring ID!
Thanks for this, do you know whether we just queue at the Palladium as normal for 5:00?
-
So excited for you guys that get to experience this beast first. I'm sure there will be a few clams here and there, given that it is the first show of the tour and is ALL new material. But that's part of the magic. I hope this show gets preserved for posterity, formally or informally.
-
I'm hoping the stewards will be lenient with pictures and videos. Usually in the West End theatres they clamp down on that sort of thing. If I can, I'll take some.
-
cant remember in all my years that I am going to a first night and of new material.
-
I'm hoping the stewards will be lenient with pictures and videos. Usually in the West End theatres they clamp down on that sort of thing. If I can, I'll take some.
I hadn't thought of that until you mentioned it. I'll hopefully get a few sneaky pics without annoying anyone around me.
Only one more sleep! ;D
-
The first time in DT history where I don't have to care for setlist spoilers :biggrin: Still I won't read too closely the details 'cause I don't want to be spoiled about the scenery and the costumes.
Have fun you lucky ones witnessing this beast for the first time live!!!
-
It will be better if drone "nomacs" flying around in the first track. Opening number
-
Hope everyone has fun tomorrow (well, today now)! Would have been cool to see the very first night of this, but the second night will do for me, hopefully any possible hitches will have been ironed out by then ;D
-
Hopefully will make it to the Argyll Arms beforehand tomorrow. Hope everyone enjoys the show, looking forward to it! :metal
-
I have got my Meet And Great e-mail now, for Friday 19. In the e-mail it is stated that I should meet at the entrance between 7:00 and 8:00 PM.
This can't be correct. Have tried to e-mail songkick to clearefy but no reply.
Have any of you got the same meet up time, or got any time earlyer???
Sorry.
I see now that someone have posted to meet up at 5:00 PM.
Thank You!!!
-
Have fun tonight you lucky bastards! :tup
-
Work is going to be loooong today.
What songs are everyone looking forward to tonight? I can't wait to hear how they end A New Beginning.
-
Work is going to be loooong today.
What songs are everyone looking forward to tonight? I can't wait to hear how they end A New Beginning.
I'm looking forward to Lost Not Forgotten :yarr
-
Tickets for tonights show say 7.00pm. I assume that this is doors opening time?
What time will the show start?
-
Doors open at 7pm. DT should be on stage at 8pm. But I'd recommend getting there sooner than 7:55, haha.
-
Doors open at 7pm. DT should be on stage at 8pm. But I'd recommend getting there sooner than 7:55, haha.
Cheers Kix. It's going to be a great night!
Where are you seatiing? We are in Row B stalls tonight and Row A dress circle tomorrow.
-
Nice!! Don't actually know. :lol I have a few tickets bought for media but haven't seen them yet and the label did the buying, so no idea what the seat numbers are til we see em later. Hope you enjoy it - I reckon it'll be a special gig. :)
-
I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but to anyone who is going tonight can you snap a photo of the merch they'll have available? just want to get an idea for how much my wallet will hurt :tup
-
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12728902_10153522805557989_6463116485819976162_n.jpg?oh=34ef8c4ff44bc33cd852249467e80757&oe=5725E875)
Hype.
-
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12728902_10153522805557989_6463116485819976162_n.jpg?oh=34ef8c4ff44bc33cd852249467e80757&oe=5725E875)
Hype.
holy shit that looks epic.
also, not sure if this has been posted before, but it appears the london show will be livestreamed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WEKhJ7f8MU
-
holy shit that looks epic.
also, not sure if this has been posted before, but it appears the london show will be livestreamed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WEKhJ7f8MU
Whoa, that's interesting...
-
Is that a sanctioned stream? Looks super unofficial-y to me, and I don't recall seeing anything about it.
-
I'm coming, long time no post
-
:hearts:
-
Is that a sanctioned stream? Looks super unofficial-y to me, and I don't recall seeing anything about it.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. There's no way that's official from the band or it would be on either their YouTube channel or RoadRunners. Also, I'm sure the band would have promoted a livestream if they were going to do one.
-
SETLIST PREDICTION :neverusethis:
1. "Descent of the NOMACS"
2. "Dystopian Overture"
3. "The Gift of Music"
4. "The Answer"
5. "A Better Life"
6. "Lord Nafaryus"
7. "A Savior in the Square"
8. "When Your Time Has Come"
9. "Act of Faythe"
10. "Three Days"
11. "The Hovering Sojourn"
12. "Brother, Can You Hear Me?"
13. "A Life Left Behind"
14. "Ravenskill"
15. "Chosen"
16. "A Tempting Offer"
17. "Digital Discord"
18. "The X Aspect"
19. "A New Beginning"
20. "The Road to Revolution"
Act II
1. "2285 Entr'acte"
2. "Moment of Betrayal"
3. "Heaven's Cove"
4. "Begin Again"
5. "The Path That Divides"
6. "Machine Chatter"
7. "The Walking Shadow"
8. "My Last Farewell"
9. "Losing Faythe"
10. "Whispers on the Wind"
11. "Hymn of a Thousand Voices"
12. "Our New World"
13. "Power Down"
14. "Astonishing"
-
Anyone at the Argyll yet???
-
Anyone at the Argyll yet???
Me and Alirocker08 are! We're outside, tall weird looking guy and small hobbit like girl in hoodie.
-
Anyone at the Argyll yet???
Me and Alirocker08 are! We're outside, tall weird looking guy and small hobbit like girl in hoodie.
So any two metal fans :neverusethis:
-
Anyone at the Argyll yet???
Me and Alirocker08 are! We're outside, tall weird looking guy and small hobbit like girl in hoodie.
Pics or it didn't happen!
Well, okay, obviously it DID. But still...PICS PLEASE! :biggrin:
-
(https://a64.tinypic.com/2qu0o4i.jpg)
-
Yay! :D So, just over an hour until doors open, right? (not sure if I am doing my time zones correctly)
-
The show is going to be streamed? Well, I better come back home on time. :metal
-
Yay! :D So, just over an hour until doors open, right? (not sure if I am doing my time zones correctly)
Yep! 1 hour to go! :metal
-
Is that a sanctioned stream? Looks super unofficial-y to me, and I don't recall seeing anything about it.
Not to mention that it is counting down to 7:00 p.m. Eastern, rather than the correct time zone.
-
Someone please find us in the pub we want to meet people :(((((
-
Have a great time, folks.
-
Hope all the DTFers at the Palladium have a great time tonight! :tup
-
(https://a64.tinypic.com/2qu0o4i.jpg)
She is beautiful. You both could be in a Lord Of the Rings movie. The lights behind you look elegant.
-
https://www.instagram.com/p/BB8EoGiDr8R/
^ A buddy of mine is there tonight.
-
https://www.instagram.com/p/BB8EoGiDr8R/
^ A buddy of mine is there tonight.
Me so jealous. :sadpanda:
-
Looks fantastic!
-
https://www.instagram.com/p/BB8EoGiDr8R/
^ A buddy of mine is there tonight.
Holy crap!
-
Took a snap of the stage
(https://i.imgur.com/BEyNTs0h.jpg)
-
(https://a64.tinypic.com/e7kwo1.jpg)
Thanks guys :)
-
Interesting that JP's and JM's rigs are so far back from the front of the stage. Not sure whether to make anything of it, but it is not typical of their setup, and may imply that there will be action taking place near the front of the stage in front of them?
-
Sat on the Palladium. Stage looks awesome but they are shit hot at making sure people aren't using cameras
-
Those map fragments in the background...are those screens?
-
I'm guessing they're screens. Which is pretty bitchin' if you think about it.
-
Those map fragments in the background...are those screens?
They're animated screens that keep highlighting various locations.
-
Those map fragments in the background...are those screens?
Those are screens. They've said in new interviews that they are doing video mapping. Also looks like there are panels in the very front on each side that don't have anything assigned to them right now.
-
Interesting that JP's and JM's rigs are so far back from the front of the stage. Not sure whether to make anything of it, but it is not typical of their setup, and may imply that there will be action taking place near the front of the stage in front of them?
That was my thought too. Looking at the picture that was taken from the balcony really shows how much stage is left in from of them. Also surprised as to how empty the stage it too. Now I'm really interested. Maybe they want the main focal point to be on the video screens instead of them.
-
Someone please find us in the pub we want to meet people :(((((
Then you two should have come tomorrow when all the cool kids are going! :P
Seriously though, would have been great to see you again. Have an amazing night tonight though! :heart
-
Yes they are
-
Looks like there is space up front for acting and no keytar in Jordan's space. Is it possible DT hired a bunch of actors to play out scenes from the story?
-
Is this real?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WEKhJ7f8MU&sns=fb
If it is, damn yeah.
EDIT: Hmm...just saw the other thread. It would be really nice, tho.
-
No word of a lie someone near me has come dressed up as Faythe!
-
Stage looks awesome in those pics guys, thanks for posting! I'll be curious to hear how in-depth they go with the screens.
-
No word of a lie someone near me has come dressed up as Faythe!
:lol Good lord. Please tell me it's a guy.
-
No word of a lie someone near me has come dressed up as Faythe!
This makes me happy.
-
No word of a lie someone near me has come dressed up as Faythe!
:lol Good lord. Please tell me it's a guy.
:lol
-
It's gone quiet, I guess it's started.... :corn
-
People on Facebook are saying 'no photos or video' is being strictly enforced. Keep checking Instagram for #DreamTheater. I'm sure stuff is going to surface.
-
I'm fine with no photos or video, but we'd better get some reports during intermission. :laugh:
-
https://twitter.com/666amit/status/700412160397156352 first live pics :corn
-
https://twitter.com/666amit/status/700412160397156352 first live pics :corn
Those video screens look cool and it looks like the front of the drum riser is a screen as well. Pretty sweet!
-
:metal
-
https://www.instagram.com/takatomo_/
-
The stage looks really nice indeed. I like the vertical screens a lot!
-
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p640x640/10401628_947133615335120_707060289_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4Nzg1MjQwMzcwMjA0OTM3NA%3D%3D.2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbhjKzKW4AAU69l.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbhjKyvWEAUqxCF.jpg
-
Is this real?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WEKhJ7f8MU&sns=fb
If it is, damn yeah.
EDIT: Hmm...just saw the other thread. It would be really nice, tho.
It's gone now.
-
Love the banners hanging down with the majesty logo's! And JR's half NOMAC stand :metal
-
...JR's half NOMAC stand :metal
Oh, wow. I hadn't noticed that. Cool.
-
At the interval.
I'm already speechless
-
Intermission.
Show has been awesome so far.
James is a little rusty, give it a few shows and he will be on top form. The other guys are tight. Especially Mangini.
The video screens are amazing. Keep getting motionsickness on some of them haha.
The end of A New Beginning was a slightly extended solo with Mangini doing his cross arms stuff.
The NOMAC tracks are extended and actually work really well!!
Edit: Also the audience has stayed all seated. Oh and security are hot on the no photos or videos.
Oh one more thing my seat directly in front of Richard and Raymond from Haken
-
At the interval.
I'm already speechless
But...are you...
Astonished??? :corn
-
Soo jealous of you in London now....
11 days and it's Swedens turn.
I'm curious about the merch they have... can you tell us something
Guess a tourbook will be a must for this tour.. but how about hoodies, shirts t-shirts...
-
from a few different people on the Voices UK (ex fanclub) group on Facebook:
Video presentation is good, but missed opportunity in conveying the story. If you don't know what it's about going in, you won't coming out.
Some of what is on the screens is pretty cringeworthy. I was expecting a lot more to be honest.
Well... Fire the fucking sound guy. Can't hear the vocals or lead guitar at all. No problem hearing all the backing tapes though
Lead guitar is sucking hard in royal circle.
Funnily enough I just passed him in the gents, it's the same guy who's been doing it for years. Reckon it's more the venue being difficult to mix to, like the Albert Hall. It's designed for orchestras, not rock bands!
Also, why are they so far back? It's not a festival! (unless for sight lines at back...)
-
So what was all that "Dress rehearsal" thing about? and James posting on FB that he couldn't wait to bring the wardrobe he received on stage... they all look in normal "DT stage clothes" as always.
-
Oh one more thing my seat directly in front of Richard and Raymond from Haken
Say hi from me, Rich Jones! :P
-
Edit: Also the audience has stayed all seated. Oh and security are hot on the no photos or videos.
How can the crowd seat for the whole thing? Its a live show you have to stand and :metal :metal
-
from a few different people on the Voices UK (ex fanclub) group on Facebook:
Video presentation is good, but missed opportunity in conveying the story. If you don't know what it's about going in, you won't coming out.
Some of what is on the screens is pretty cringeworthy. I was expecting a lot more to be honest.
Well... Fire the fucking sound guy. Can't hear the vocals or lead guitar at all. No problem hearing all the backing tapes though
Lead guitar is sucking hard in royal circle.
Funnily enough I just passed him in the gents, it's the same guy who's been doing it for years. Reckon it's more the venue being difficult to mix to, like the Albert Hall. It's designed for orchestras, not rock bands!
Also, why are they so far back? It's not a festival! (unless for sight lines at back...)
Do you have a link to that Facebook group please? I am a member of the Voices UK Fan Club but nothing is hardly ever posted on their website these days. I never even knew there was a Voices UK Facebook page!! :(
-
I don't know what route they could go to make you fully understand the story unless they had a CG acted video playing on screens and that could be a bit uncomfortable to watch.
-
Quite frankly, you're there to see the band. The visuals are a plus, but it's not a movie. It's a rock concert. Extreme visuals could be very distracting.
-
Funnily enough I just passed him in the gents, it's the same guy who's been doing it for years. Reckon it's more the venue being difficult to mix to, like the Albert Hall. It's designed for orchestras, not rock bands!
For christ's sake, please let this be a intial startup problem thing. I have never, ever in my life attended a theater show with bad sound (some just a bit less than good). Never. And that included dense rock and metal acts. If you are a band consisting of professional musicians touring in theaters, at least hire a guy that is capable of of doing his damn job. DT's sound live was already pretty bad in the venues I saw them, so I already think the sound guys aren't good at their job at all, but there really is no excuse when doing a theater tour.
I am really worried now, actually. I am paying to hear these guys play, and one would think that should be the most basic expectation of a show.
-
Quite frankly, you're there to see the band. The visuals are a plus, but it's not a movie. It's a rock concert. Extreme visuals could be very distracting.
Very true BUT the band and record company have been making a huge thing about the "visuals" and overall experience of the evening (see Dream Theater like you've never seen them before etc) so if in fact it is nothing really that "special" then it will be disappointing to some.
-
Quite frankly, you're there to see the band. The visuals are a plus, but it's not a movie. It's a rock concert. Extreme visuals could be very distracting.
Very true BUT the band and record company have been making a huge thing about the "visuals" and overall experience of the evening (see Dream Theater like you've never seen them before etc) so if in fact it is nothing really that "special" then it will be disappointing to some.
Agreed. But at this point, all we have are some vague comments by a handful of people on a Facebook page that have not even sat through the entire show yet, so I wouldn't worry too much.
-
Funnily enough I just passed him in the gents, it's the same guy who's been doing it for years. Reckon it's more the venue being difficult to mix to, like the Albert Hall. It's designed for orchestras, not rock bands!
For christ's sake, please let this be a intial startup problem thing. I have never, ever in my life attended a theater show with bad sound (some just a bit less than good). Never. And that included dense rock and metal acts. If you are a band consisting of professional musicians touring in theaters, at least hire a guy that is capable of of doing his damn job. DT's sound live was already pretty bad in the venues I saw them, so I already think the sound guys aren't good at their job at all, but there really is no excuse when doing a theater tour.
I am really worried now, actually. I am paying to hear these guys play, and one would think that should be the most basic expectation of a show.
Don't be worried. Its opening night. Their will be bugs to iron out and hiccups early on.
-
Dt is a music band not a movie band :biggrin:
-
from a few different people on the Voices UK (ex fanclub) group on Facebook:
Video presentation is good, but missed opportunity in conveying the story. If you don't know what it's about going in, you won't coming out.
Some of what is on the screens is pretty cringeworthy. I was expecting a lot more to be honest.
Well... Fire the fucking sound guy. Can't hear the vocals or lead guitar at all. No problem hearing all the backing tapes though
Lead guitar is sucking hard in royal circle.
Funnily enough I just passed him in the gents, it's the same guy who's been doing it for years. Reckon it's more the venue being difficult to mix to, like the Albert Hall. It's designed for orchestras, not rock bands!
Also, why are they so far back? It's not a festival! (unless for sight lines at back...)
Do you have a link to that Facebook group please? I am a member of the Voices UK Fan Club but nothing is hardly ever posted on their website these days. I never even knew there was a Voices UK Facebook page!! :(
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2365811868/?fref=ts
Overall they weren't happy but the people not enjoying it were a lot more likely to use their phones so soon/during the show...
"James Labrie had a mare in the second half and I thought the lack of encore was pretty poor"
-
Quite frankly, you're there to see the band. The visuals are a plus, but it's not a movie. It's a rock concert. Extreme visuals could be very distracting.
I think I asked before but your reply got lost - is that Ragdoll in your avatar?
-
from a few different people on the Voices UK (ex fanclub) group on Facebook:
Video presentation is good, but missed opportunity in conveying the story. If you don't know what it's about going in, you won't coming out.
Some of what is on the screens is pretty cringeworthy. I was expecting a lot more to be honest.
Well... Fire the fucking sound guy. Can't hear the vocals or lead guitar at all. No problem hearing all the backing tapes though
Lead guitar is sucking hard in royal circle.
Funnily enough I just passed him in the gents, it's the same guy who's been doing it for years. Reckon it's more the venue being difficult to mix to, like the Albert Hall. It's designed for orchestras, not rock bands!
Also, why are they so far back? It's not a festival! (unless for sight lines at back...)
Do you have a link to that Facebook group please? I am a member of the Voices UK Fan Club but nothing is hardly ever posted on their website these days. I never even knew there was a Voices UK Facebook page!! :(
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2365811868/?fref=ts
Overall they weren't happy but the people not enjoying it were a lot more likely to use their phones so soon/during the show...
"James Labrie had a mare in the second half and I thought the lack of encore was pretty poor"
Thank you bud for the link :)
-
Quite frankly, you're there to see the band. The visuals are a plus, but it's not a movie. It's a rock concert. Extreme visuals could be very distracting.
I think I asked before but your reply got lost - is that Ragdoll in your avatar?
No, it's my less important and less plot-relevant co-villain, Kuja.
-
Just to point out that most of those comments are from one guy. I think I'll wait for reports here or elsewhere from a much bigger pool of people thanks.
-
Quite frankly, you're there to see the band. The visuals are a plus, but it's not a movie. It's a rock concert. Extreme visuals could be very distracting.
I think I asked before but your reply got lost - is that Ragdoll in your avatar?
No, it's my less important and less plot-relevant co-villain, Kuja.
Yeah, I'm the guy that's the villain for the whole Final Fantasy IX wheras Darstarshades' avatar is the guy that comes at the end of the game going all like: I HATE LIFE TIME TO END IT LOL.
-
On the train back now. Fantastic evening.
For a first performance that was incredible, the only cock up was James coming in about 8 bars too early at the end of the Walking Shadow... but somehow it worked musically xD He was a bit flat during Begin Again but JP's acoustic was far too quiet so you can't really blame him. He had his moments.
High points: Brother Can You Hear Me - holy shit, I am really not into the studio version but it sounds huge live. Three Days - Mangini's blastbeat was INSANE. A New Beginning, the solo was great, awesome ending. Our New World - everyone (eventually) stood up!
Could've done with the guitars and bass being a bit louder. Vocals were perfectly audible here but I was close to the sound desk. My other grievance was the bloody Palladium staff. Why so militant with photos? I got some though, will upload later :)
-
:tup
-
Oh, by the way... The reaction of the crowd at the end will tell you those facebook comments are not to be taken as gospel ;)
-
Quite frankly, you're there to see the band. The visuals are a plus, but it's not a movie. It's a rock concert. Extreme visuals could be very distracting.
I think I asked before but your reply got lost - is that Ragdoll in your avatar?
No, it's my less important and less plot-relevant co-villain, Kuja.
Yeah, I'm the guy that's the villain for the whole Final Fantasy IX wheras Darstarshades' avatar is the guy that comes at the end of the game going all like: I HATE LIFE TIME TO END IT LOL.
You were easy as fuck.
Grand Cross pwns you anyteim
-
On the train back now. Fantastic evening.
For a first performance that was incredible, the only cock up was James coming in about 8 bars too early at the end of the Walking Shadow... but somehow it worked musically xD He was a bit flat during Begin Again but JP's acoustic was far too quiet so you can't really blame him. He had his moments.
High points: Brother Can You Hear Me - holy shit, I am really not into the studio version but it sounds huge live. Three Days - Mangini's blastbeat was INSANE. A New Beginning, the solo was great, awesome ending. Our New World - everyone (eventually) stood up!
Could've done with the guitars and bass being a bit louder. Vocals were perfectly audible here but I was close to the sound desk. My other grievance was the bloody Palladium staff. Why so militant with photos? I got some though, will upload later :)
I'm actually amazed that LaBrie didn't make more mistakes in a 2+ hour show where he sings almost all the time.
Amazing for a first show, hoping it gets here!
-
So did they extend the "A New Beginning" outro at all or add any sections? I assume not because of all the backing tracks, but they could have thrown something in.
-
On the train back now. Fantastic evening.
For a first performance that was incredible, the only cock up was James coming in about 8 bars too early at the end of the Walking Shadow... but somehow it worked musically xD He was a bit flat during Begin Again but JP's acoustic was far too quiet so you can't really blame him. He had his moments.
High points: Brother Can You Hear Me - holy shit, I am really not into the studio version but it sounds huge live. Three Days - Mangini's blastbeat was INSANE. A New Beginning, the solo was great, awesome ending. Our New World - everyone (eventually) stood up!
Could've done with the guitars and bass being a bit louder. Vocals were perfectly audible here but I was close to the sound desk. My other grievance was the bloody Palladium staff. Why so militant with photos? I got some though, will upload later :)
Oh, by the way... The reaction of the crowd at the end will tell you those facebook comments are not to be taken as gospel ;)
Fantastic, glad you had a great time! Looking forward to tomorrow's show. :)
-
So did they extend the "A New Beginning" outro at all or add any sections? I assume not because of all the backing tracks, but they could have thrown something in.
It was extended by about 30 seconds and there was a little build up and slow down to the big chord to end.
Descent of the NOMACS was extended too with more build up and spoken word over the track.
-
Just to point out that most of those comments are from one guy. I think I'll wait for reports here or elsewhere from a much bigger pool of people thanks.
4 people.
-
On the train back now. Fantastic evening.
For a first performance that was incredible, the only cock up was James coming in about 8 bars too early at the end of the Walking Shadow... but somehow it worked musically xD He was a bit flat during Begin Again but JP's acoustic was far too quiet so you can't really blame him. He had his moments.
High points: Brother Can You Hear Me - holy shit, I am really not into the studio version but it sounds huge live. Three Days - Mangini's blastbeat was INSANE. A New Beginning, the solo was great, awesome ending. Our New World - everyone (eventually) stood up!
Could've done with the guitars and bass being a bit louder. Vocals were perfectly audible here but I was close to the sound desk. My other grievance was the bloody Palladium staff. Why so militant with photos? I got some though, will upload later :)
I am far too tired to write anything more in depth, having been on the go since 4am to get here, but I agree with genome 100%. Great show with some minor fluffs as mentioned.
The lack of encore is totally forgivable, imo. What could they play that wouldn't seem out of place.
The visuals were OK, but I didn't really pay much attention to them. Pretty much, if you found something to whinge about in the 'trailer' video, you'll find something to whinge about with the onstage visuals too..
Everyone was standing by the beginning of Astonishing (the song).
Post more tomorrow.. Zzzzzzx.
-
Just got back and it was amazing. I agree with the sound comments. I was in the Royal Circle and JP's acoustic was too soft his solo's was not loud enough. Everything else was ok though.
Everyone did sit down which was a bit disappointing for me until the end when some started to stand and eventually others followed and I feel that the atmosphere was greatly improved.
The visuals and lighting where really good at some points, made me a bit dizzy one time other times I'm not sure.
I knew there would be no encore but didn't stop me waiting for one. I know everyone was really upset about this. It would of been great to come back and play one more but then again they have just been playing for 2 hours.
Annoying at how strict they where about the cameras. You won't be able to photo or film anything.
-
Haha, yeah. I wasn't too fussed initially about an encore but the crowd was absolutely baying for one. If they had come out and played Metropolis or something the place would've exploded!
-
We should keep a log of each TA tour show abnormalities.
Like a song played differently, variations, jams, notorious mistakes or other things.
-
Awesome gig! The sound was dead dodgy the for the first half of the first set but they got there in the end. James was also a bit wonky for the first half of the set but he nailed it after. T'was nice to meet some fellow DTFers and others. Cool guys!
Now in Ronnie Scott's watching the Jazz jam. Lovely night.
:metal
-
Hey, 1st video on yt :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmkVE2nKOaE
-
Just got back.
Enjoyed it, but it was intense. Although there's something satisfying about concept albums in that they tell a story, when they're played live it takes away a little of the excitement of not knowing what the setlist is.
I'll be honest, I did hear some negative comments at the interval. Things along the lines of it being "tough going", a couple of folk talked about leaving and the guy next to me did actually leave. I also get that this was *The Astonishing, Live* tour but the lack of encores was disappointing and there were pretty loud groans and a few boos at the end when the house lights went on. I understand the band have clearly mentioned this in interviews but expect to hear a lot more about it from fans as the tour progresses.
That all said, I enjoyed it. I'd only listened to the album a couple of times before the gig but the music was easily clear enough for you to pick it up, whereas with some other gigs you almost need to know the songs prior in order to recognise them. Although the graphics of the characters were a little basic by and large it looked really well done and the layout of the screens really added to the depth of the experience (what with them in an arc round the back of the stage and small screens below the drum riser and on front of either side of the stage.
Overall, a good performance of a what I think is a very good album, particularly for an early tour show. A couple of encores would have really made a difference though.
-
I think the Boo's come from the fact that the second act is only 50 minutes, which is very short.
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-Q2BV1ZLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLyUvNHtAKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niQA5hNAEZ8
Offer, Aspect and Revolution
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-Q2BV1ZLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLyUvNHtAKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niQA5hNAEZ8
Offer, Aspect and Revolution
He also has the first 3 tracks (up to and including The Gift of Music)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fxUj1LvSNY
-
TA :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O86_K95CxQ
1000 Voices :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNgD02iTcNU
-
Jordan's keyboard stand is fucking wild.
-
James sounds fantastic on this guy's recordings!
-
James sounds fantastic on this guy's recordings!
+1
My friend of mine said he sang like a old woman :lol,but he doesn't like his voice.(His favorite album are SC, BC&SL, ToT and FII)
-
I still trying to believe how much JP uses the 7 string on TA. It's incredible. I've always loved that extended range.
-
James sounds fantastic on this guy's recordings!
+1
My friend of mine said he sang like a old woman :lol,but he doesn't like his voice.(His favorite album are SC, BC&SL, ToT and FII)
Funnily enough these exact 4 albums fill the bottom 4 of my list (maybe replace FII with WDADU for 4th least favorite, depending on the day).
I love his voice and I'm more into what he does in most of this album compared to typical Metal vocalists - soft, almost operatic voice when possible, and a menacing Freddie Mercury when he needs to go more metal.
Specifically talking about this performance though, minus a few hiccups in those quick transitions from his low-mid to high range (which admittedly happen a lot in this album), he sounded really spot on based on these videos. The Gift of Music was easily the worst performance there and it's the first song where he sings on the album/show, and it's VERY high, and VERY quick, so it's highly understandable; it took him quite a while to nail The Looking Glass and that song has similar problems, except it has slower vocal melodies than TGOM so it's even easier.
The performance was great otherwise though, something that cannot be said (IMO) about his earliest performances in either of the last two tours - namely the DT12 tour and the 2015 short festival/anniversary tour (though in the latter he was sick, and the former had craziness like Illumination Theory so it's quite understandable).
Regarding his "possibly autotune" moments in the album that stirred a pretty large debate previously, I'm impressed with how well he sang them here (even if it still doesn't prove anything to some people). "People just don't have the time for music..." was done decently enough, and "Now I can be a voice for change" (in "Astonishing") was very accurate to the album's rendition, at least as far as I can hear. Which may not be too far, but still. I'm glad about that.
Whoops, sorry for the rant. At least it's a mostly positive rant!
-
Apologies for the pretty poor photos here, my camera phone is quite shit and I had to take them quickly before the photo police ran over to threaten me with certain death. A decent view of the stage and lighting if nothing else. Open in a new tab for full-res blurriness.
(https://i.imgur.com/muHjjSE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/A2i5xa8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TtVPCbS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7vxFljV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7vZ7d17.jpg)
-
Thx for the upload genome :metal :yarr
-
Yeah, thanks for the photos.
One thing I forgot to mention from my earlier post; the lighting was really good.
-
MM :
MM :
Thank you London. I am stunned at the reactions to this show. There wasn't a soul that commented even remotely critical and I've never seen an entire DT thread be so overwhelmingly positive and simply satisfied. I cannot explain the care and stress of the last many months behind the scenes getting such an over the top show production to actually work on night #1. If you only knew what was put into this show from so many people that it is overwhelming. Back where I am, I had no idea what anybody was thinking until the end. I never saw such a total reaction like that in my life. Everything in my body hurts and I'm going to sleep 12 hours. Thank you again.
-
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12715196_998487390190051_3517963744390042656_n.jpg?oh=2aa2895ea96e8ba5dfee57dcb962f473&oe=57627084)
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12745530_995928870444421_2272575529061105067_n.jpg?oh=d0c58babbfaf3f36e1e18cb6159bb483&oe=5729581B)
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/12705665_976686869047105_726018824149248398_n.jpg?oh=9324e68700ca4b662207e9dcf56c1589&oe=576F8D34)
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12733970_976685395713919_3843876475274724254_n.jpg?oh=508e7022bfa35f796f3e17c692d9fe46&oe=576FC495)
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12744063_976682425714216_8915444452884145887_n.jpg?oh=4421dbce2b4e8e38fdc4dcb4408c7fb2&oe=572376BF)
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12728816_10156489531100654_1296819825646764859_n.jpg?oh=273a30ce458334ef1024d18918adb56f&oe=57609928)
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12717704_10156489531030654_2705493302541508719_n.jpg?oh=a7e4ae956199626bf65b534cbad68226&oe=577053BC)
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12096478_10156489530980654_6344364451939345195_n.jpg?oh=205898c7e1ca9d6f4fb4b40cfa72116d&oe=575B8891)
-
Thanks for the pictures. For anyone that went to the show:
Did DT actually play the 2 overtures? There was talk that these may be tapes.
Did DT's playing get buried in the backing tracks of the choir, orchestra,etc? In other words, was there good balance.
If anyone got a pic of the merchandise for sale, please post.
Also, I would like to say that MM seems like a really nice and appreciative guy based on the two posts I have read.
-
Thanks for the pictures. For anyone that went to the show:
Did DT actually play the 2 overtures? There was talk that these may be tapes.
Did DT's playing get buried in the backing tracks of the choir, orchestra,etc? In other words, was there good balance.
If anyone got a pic of the merchandise for sale, please post.
Also, I would like to say that MM seems like a really nice and appreciative guy based on the two posts I have read.
Here's a video of Descent / Dystopian / The Gift of Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fxUj1LvSNY
They played the first overture, so I imagine the second was played as well. But I wasn't there, so don't take my word as fact.
-
It's only the first show. There's gonna be plenty of hiccups and flaws....
I'm more excited now.
-
Thanks for the pictures. For anyone that went to the show:
Did DT actually play the 2 overtures? There was talk that these may be tapes.
Did DT's playing get buried in the backing tracks of the choir, orchestra,etc? In other words, was there good balance.
If anyone got a pic of the merchandise for sale, please post.
Also, I would like to say that MM seems like a really nice and appreciative guy based on the two posts I have read.
Here's a video of Descent / Dystopian / The Gift of Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fxUj1LvSNY
They played the first overture, so I imagine the second was played as well. But I wasn't there, so don't take my word as fact.
Yeah.... just got a lil chubby.... :metal :metal :metal
-
Visually it was easily the best show in terms of the staging (no costumes though Dave!). Whilst the visuals were striking though, they did not really help in any way in terms if understanding the story. Like someone has already said, if you go in to this not knowing the story, you'll be none the wiser when you come out.
Sound was fine where I was, a little off at first but great once the first couple of songs were out of the way.
I will say though that the band were quite static (even more than usual!). I think this is largely down to it being the first show though and them concentrating on not cocking anything up. They will probably loosen up more as it goes on.
Maybe because they were a little static, and maybe because I was pretty high up looking down on the show, I spent a lot of time watching Mangini and he was incredible tonight. That swing blastbeat thing was awesome as was the section of the title track he described earlier in the thread. He was actually playing two separate drum rolls simultaneously with his two different hands, just incredible to watch.
They did play the two overtures, I wondered if they would after the SDOIT overture was piped in, as was False Awakening Suite last time. NOMAC stuff was pretty cool with the visuals included as well. Some of the vocals were piped in, not a huge amount of them, but occasionally.
There was no encore at the end and this did result in a smattering of boos. It seemed fairly lighthearted booing though, I don't think anyone was genuinely storming out of there in disgust that they didn't come back for an encore.
Overall a great show, not my favourite DT show, that probably goes to the SFAM tour or SDOIT tour, but awesome nonetheless. Highlights for me were mainly my favourites anyway but Brother Can You Hear Me was an unexpected one as it is not one of my faves on the record. Well deserved standing ovation at the end.
-
While understandable, it was weird to hear James basically doing a duet with his pre-recorded self in "The Offer"
-
Thanks to everyone here who talked about the show.
I have a few questions, if anyone cares to comment:
1. I guess most of the animation from the album trailer was shown tonight, right? I'm curious as to what songs were playing when Xander is flying on the bird, and when that guy (Arhys, maybe?) is dancing before throwing his hammer (you know, at 0:52).
2. Which songs did you like more in the show than in the album, and why?
Also: not a question, but I just watched the "Astonishing" video posted before, and I'm amazed at Mike's playing during Nafaryus lines. Wow!
-
Thanks for the pictures. For anyone that went to the show:
Did DT actually play the 2 overtures? There was talk that these may be tapes.
Did DT's playing get buried in the backing tracks of the choir, orchestra,etc? In other words, was there good balance.
If anyone got a pic of the merchandise for sale, please post.
Also, I would like to say that MM seems like a really nice and appreciative guy based on the two posts I have read.
Here's a video of Descent / Dystopian / The Gift of Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fxUj1LvSNY
They played the first overture, so I imagine the second was played as well. But I wasn't there, so don't take my word as fact.
Cool to see, and while I know that is not a pro shot, that sound is not that good. You could barely even hear the choir at about the 5-minute mark of the video, and that is one of the coolest moments of Act I, yet was drowned out in the mix. First night, I know... :lol :lol
-
I dunno why I thought there was gonna be an orchestra there, looks cool anyway.
-
from a few different people on the Voices UK (ex fanclub) group on Facebook:
Video presentation is good, but missed opportunity in conveying the story. If you don't know what it's about going in, you won't coming out.
Some of what is on the screens is pretty cringeworthy. I was expecting a lot more to be honest.
This is SO F'N weak! :censored Why bother with the big screens if it doesn't convey the story. What a waste.
-
I dunno why I thought there was gonna be an orchestra there, looks cool anyway.
I thought I had read somewhere that the screens were gonna have choirs and orchestras, but I guess not
-
I dunno why I thought there was gonna be an orchestra there, looks cool anyway.
I thought I had read somewhere that the screens were gonna have choirs and orchestras, but I guess not
From what I understood of that the sound of the orchestra and choir was in the same file as the video playing on the screens. I never thought the screens would show the orchestra and choir but would tell the story.
-
Seems like a cool stage production, even though i expected more given the comments from the band.
-
Soo jealous of you in London now....
11 days and it's Swedens turn.
I'm curious about the merch they have... can you tell us something
Guess a tourbook will be a must for this tour.. but how about hoodies, shirts t-shirts...
Don't have any pics but on the merch -
1 x hoody
1 x longsleeve
1 x album cover tee
1 x tee with characters on the front
and at least 2 other tees related to the new album.
The tour stops are on the back of the album cover tee but not the dates.
And a tourbook obviously and I spotted a tote bag.
Tees were £25, long sleeve was £30, I think the hoody was £45 and the tourbook is £15 but pretty thick/large.
-
It seems to me that Mangini sonuds much better on these youtube videos than on the album itself (the cymbals in particular).
I'm not sure if anyone else shares this opinion.
-
I think the camera police issue is largely the venue policy in London, it's a traditional theatre and they tend to enforce that rigidly and quite rightly for that type of event. The 3-4 announcements before the show about switching off phones (and pagers) :D) will be par for the course for the venue along with selling ice cream at the interval for a huge profit.
I'm hoping this wont be the case at in Amsterdam next week, last time I was there I could take pics as much as I wanted.
-
Just wondering if anyone is going to tonight's show and heading to the Argyll Arms beforehand?
-
An encore doesn't mean anything any more. It's just panto.
Well that's our last song..No it isn't ! ;) ;)
Going off stage for 3 mins to play the rest of the set which is written down ?
Act 2 is the "encore". . .
-
Thanks to everyone here who talked about the show.
2. Which songs did you like more in the show than in the album, and why?
Not saying it's the only one, but Our New World really stood out. The audience were fairly subdued but were most definitely impressed by that one.
-
Does anybody know how long the show and the intermission were? Was there anything on the screen during the break, like the Youtube compilation 2 years ago?
So what was all that "Dress rehearsal" thing about? and James posting on FB that he couldn't wait to bring the wardrobe he received on stage... they all look in normal "DT stage clothes" as always.
A dress rehearsal in this case (probably) means playing the whole show (with lights, screens and all) from start to finish without an audience.
-
I really thought Brother Can You Hear Me stood out, as well as A New Beginning (which is my favourite track anyway). But yeah as the Chief pointed out, Our New World was just rocking and got everyone on their feet (finally!).
Also I would say Astonishing would be the encore. Just wraps the whole thing up after the power of Our New World
-
Does anybody know how long the show and the intermission were? Was there anything on the screen during the break, like the Youtube compilation 2 years ago?
Think it was about 20 mins. Whole show was 2 hrs 30. Nothing at all during the intermission though. And when they started again there was a ton of people not in their seats so most of the 2nd Overture was spent by people rushing back.
One more thing I forgot to mention. This show seemed a little less personal due to there being no talking to the crowd from James. He came out and asked how everyone was doing on the intros off Gift and Astonishing. I understand that due to the nature of the show and interrupting the flow but I kinda enjoy his awkward banter. :-\
-
Does anybody know how long the show and the intermission were? Was there anything on the screen during the break, like the Youtube compilation 2 years ago?
Think it was about 20 mins. Whole show was 2 hrs 30. Nothing at all during the intermission though. And when they started again there was a ton of people not in their seats so most of the 2nd Overture was spent by people rushing back.
One more thing I forgot to mention. This show seemed a little less personal due to there being no talking to the crowd from James. He came out and asked how everyone was doing on the intros off Gift and Astonishing. I understand that due to the nature of the show and interrupting the flow but I kinda enjoy his awkward banter. :-\
The queue for the toilet was probably where most of the missing people were after the break, took me most of that time to get there and back.
Or maybe checking out the smallest merch stand in the history of rock :D
-
So what was all that "Dress rehearsal" thing about? and James posting on FB that he couldn't wait to bring the wardrobe he received on stage... they all look in normal "DT stage clothes" as always.
A dress rehearsal in this case (probably) means playing the whole show (with lights, screens and all) from start to finish without an audience.
That's what it means in all cases - performing something in full exactly as you will on the night. Implies nothing about costumes.
On the point about encores, 1. we knew this already, and 2. the title track basically is an encore. The actual story has finished by that point, and it mainly serves to go over a few of the main themes again.
-
My god, James sounds terrible, just like those people who are not listening to themselves while singing. :-[
-
I managed to get last minute tickets for tonights show, seeing the photos here is getting me pretty excited!
I don't care too much for epic visuals and stage creativity, as long as the music is conveyed well, it's all that matters to me.
I'm also glad last nights performance went well, if there was any hitches I hope they can tweak them in time for the second bout.
-
I've already been on the train to London for almost an hour, this is gonna be a long day :lol
-
Chosen - solo audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_kp0x0ehHw
-
Great Show - my 12th DT gig!
Listen, anyone going to see this is in for a real treat. The lightshow, screens, etc are a real step up from anything DT have done before - this is like going from VHS to Blu-Ray. There was a LOT of thought and effort gone into this - even tiny touches like the venue staff handing out playbills really added to the experience.
Yes, the animation on the screens was a bit of a wasted opportunity. I got a bit fed up of the illustrations of the characters floating in like one of those shoe-box theaters where you cut the characters out of cardboard and glued them to straws (one bit actually had me howling with laughter), and the iPod advert silhouttes got kind of tiresome after a while too. It worked best when doing something different - the "dancing squares" at the start of A Life Left Behind were very impressive, as was the swimming girl during Losing Faythe. But as others have said, the film was there as a backdrop - it wasn't supposed to be a Hollywood Blockbuster CGI-fest.
The band - as ever - were on top form. The sound was pretty good, but I have heard better. Mangini was all over that drumkit like a cheap suit, and it was nice to see JP use a proper acoustic guitar again (he's got rid of those big show cabinets and was just using the Mesa-Boogies). Man of the Match this time round goes to JLB. He came across as slightly jet-lagged during the M&G, but you'd never have known it. He all but carried this single-handed.
Highlights? Well, some of the "lesser songs" (IMO at least) had a bit more punch to them that really made me appreciate them more, especially Ravenskill, The X Aspect and The Walking Shadow (even if JLB fucked up his cue on the last verse). Chosen was a real highlight - It really shone. The song still needs a longer guitar solo. Highlight of the night however was JP's solo on A New Begining. It seemed like the band had turned off the click-track for this bit - they certainly seemed to be looking to each other for visual cues - it was the only moment we got a taste of the improv vituoso DT of old.
Criticisms? Well, the show is only as strong as the album, and as a result shares it's weakenesses. It's just too long. The band really need to lose the click-track and get back to doing what they do best. And while it was great to see this in a proper theater (it would have been awful at Wembley), the choice of all-seater venues remains baffling to me. It totally sucks the atmosphere out of the show.
Beg, steal or borrow tickets to this.
PS - there was a big NOMAC machine in the downstairs bar area. The idea was that it had facial recognition software in it and would insert audience members into the show animation. Unfortunately they couldn't get it to work!
-
It seems to me that Mangini sonuds much better on these youtube videos than on the album itself (the cymbals in particular).
I'm not sure if anyone else shares this opinion.
I don't know about sounding "better", but I noticed the cymbals immediately. That part in the middle of DO was AWESOME!! :hefdaddy
-
(https://i.imgur.com/gze0PMF.png)
-
I got a bit fed up of the illustrations of the characters floating in like one of those shoe-box theaters where you cut the characters out of cardboard and glued them to straws (one bit actually had me howling with laughter)
Was that the bit where they cutout the album sleeve image of Faythe and photoshopped her into a bed? That was a little naff... :rollin
-
even tiny touches like the venue staff handing out playbills really added to the experience.
PS - there was a big NOMAC machine in the downstairs bar area. The idea was that it had facial recognition software in it and would insert audience members into the show animation. Unfortunately they couldn't get it to work!
We need pictures!!!! (I hope the playbills will be translated)
-
Does anyone know if you can get this t-shirt online anywhere?
(https://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u563/Se7enFoldTK/SAM_1224_zpsfoefcn8s.jpg) (https://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Se7enFoldTK/media/SAM_1224_zpsfoefcn8s.jpg.html)
(https://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u563/Se7enFoldTK/SAM_1225_zps1e3msvtl.jpg) (https://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Se7enFoldTK/media/SAM_1225_zps1e3msvtl.jpg.html)
They were selling them outside the front of the theatre as people were leaving. I asked for a small one and i got a medium and didnt realise until it was too late. I dont know why i didnt double check that i received a small before i left! I dont think its an official DT one as its not on their store, but i really like the print on the back as it shows all the dates and venues. So pissed off that i got the wrong size (sort of my fault for not checking).
-
Does anyone know if you can get this t-shirt online anywhere?
Have fun after three washes when the artwork starts to come off. That crap on the floor outside the doors is cheap shit and their trade should never be supported.
-
What I will say - if they ever manage to do this beast in its entirety with all the orchestra, choir, bells and whistles and all it will be the greatest thing ever.
Side note - the poles at the side of the stage have banners of the GNE and Ravenskill. During a Savior in the Square the stage was darker and I realised those poles were actually old streetlights that were lit up - was pretty cool!
-
Myung's finger work in the intro to A Life Left Behind was a sight to behold, by the way.
I think JP's wife and daughter were sat in the royal box? He was looking up to them occasionally. He got distracted at one point and played a wrong chord and laughed. :lol Also DT's manager was walking around a lot just before the show. He's smaller than I had imagined! I recognised him from the Chaos in Motion documentary.
-
Yeah saw him and I think their tour manager too talking at the side? We had an American lady sat behind us who asked Frank (Solomon) if Rena was there and he said he hadn't seen her. No idea who she was though.
-
PS - there was a big NOMAC machine in the downstairs bar area. The idea was that it had facial recognition software in it and would insert audience members into the show animation. Unfortunately they couldn't get it to work!
Wait, what? :lol That sounds epic, pretty funny they couldn't get it to work though but usually tech stuff have a tendency to not work when you wan't them to even though you tried it a million times before, I know from experience. :angry:
-
Does anyone know if you can get this t-shirt online anywhere?
Have fun after three washes when the artwork starts to come off. That crap on the floor outside the doors is cheap shit and their trade should never be supported.
I agree with all you say tbh. Buying the official one with the tour dates on the back today. Didnt have enough to get it there :(
-
Great Show - my 12th DT gig!
Listen, anyone going to see this is in for a real treat. The lightshow, screens, etc are a real step up from anything DT have done before - this is like going from VHS to Blu-Ray. There was a LOT of thought and effort gone into this - even tiny touches like the venue staff handing out playbills really added to the experience.
Yes, the animation on the screens was a bit of a wasted opportunity. I got a bit fed up of the illustrations of the characters floating in like one of those shoe-box theaters where you cut the characters out of cardboard and glued them to straws (one bit actually had me howling with laughter), and the iPod advert silhouttes got kind of tiresome after a while too. It worked best when doing something different - the "dancing squares" at the start of A Life Left Behind were very impressive, as was the swimming girl during Losing Faythe. But as others have said, the film was there as a backdrop - it wasn't supposed to be a Hollywood Blockbuster CGI-fest.
The band - as ever - were on top form. The sound was pretty good, but I have heard better. Mangini was all over that drumkit like a cheap suit, and it was nice to see JP use a proper acoustic guitar again (he's got rid of those big show cabinets and was just using the Mesa-Boogies). Man of the Match this time round goes to JLB. He came across as slightly jet-lagged during the M&G, but you'd never have known it. He all but carried this single-handed.
Highlights? Well, some of the "lesser songs" (IMO at least) had a bit more punch to them that really made me appreciate them more, especially Ravenskill, The X Aspect and The Walking Shadow (even if JLB fucked up his cue on the last verse). Chosen was a real highlight - It really shone. The song still needs a longer guitar solo. Highlight of the night however was JP's solo on A New Begining. It seemed like the band had turned off the click-track for this bit - they certainly seemed to be looking to each other for visual cues - it was the only moment we got a taste of the improv vituoso DT of old.
Criticisms? Well, the show is only as strong as the album, and as a result shares it's weakenesses. It's just too long. The band really need to lose the click-track and get back to doing what they do best. And while it was great to see this in a proper theater (it would have been awful at Wembley), the choice of all-seater venues remains baffling to me. It totally sucks the atmosphere out of the show.
Beg, steal or borrow tickets to this.
PS - there was a big NOMAC machine in the downstairs bar area. The idea was that it had facial recognition software in it and would insert audience members into the show animation. Unfortunately they couldn't get it to work!
Great review, thanks - most thorough and balanced feedback I've seen. Looking forward to tonight!
-
Myung's finger work in the intro to A Life Left Behind was a sight to behold, by the way.
I think JP's wife and daughter were sat in the royal box? He was looking up to them occasionally. He got distracted at one point and played a wrong chord and laughed. :lol Also DT's manager was walking around a lot just before the show. He's smaller than I had imagined! I recognised him from the Chaos in Motion documentary.
Haha managed to catch that too, also didnt James mess up the bit just before Fathye got stabbed? He started a bit early. I dont think he did that on purpose!
-
Yeah saw him and I think their tour manager too talking at the side? We had an American lady sat behind us who asked Frank (Solomon) if Rena was there and he said he hadn't seen her. No idea who she was though.
Ah, right. I'm not sure who the two ladies were he kept looking at then! Maybe some other family?
-
What can I say,
Everything I expected from a live performance of TA and more.
I arrived at the Argyll and met up with a few DTF guys and we had fun times drinking and anticipating the gig. It was so great as always to see so many people in DT shirts from times gone by.
When we entered the Palladium I was really happy to see that it was being treated like a true musical. The running order leaflets being handed out was a really nice touch and is a nice souvenir that you don't have to spend half of your salary on before taking out a mortgage for the ticket :lol
The stage looks fantastic. I LOVED the streetlights with the flags on them. They even had flickering candle bulbs in the lanterns :biggrin:
It was immediately apparent that the venue staff was being very strict with cameras. This was to be expected. It's venue policy and is standard for theatres like this one. I'm glad that we managed to get a few pics and videos none the less. To be honest they can only really enforce before/interval/after because once the show starts, unless you are on an aisle they can't really get to you :P
The screens/visuals were great and not overdone. I think it was nice to be able to glance back now and then and be reminded of the story that's being portrayed. Also at times it does get a little bit IMAX!! During some of the NOMAC tracks I found myself feeling dizzy but I love crap like that :lol
James came out strong and remained so throughout most of the show although there were times where you could tell he was really struggling, with staying in tune or hearing the monitors I don't know.. but either way his tuning did fluctuate at some of the softer moments. Luckily none of which went as far as being cringeworthy. There were a few times I thought stuff was going wrong.. I can't remember the song but JP's acoustic was really quiet and was leading the song while JLB was singing and I could see JR looking concerned and looking off stage over to the monitor desk. Also at the start of another track which starts with piano.. JR kinda stepped up to his keys and acted like he wasn't too sure about something and then hit the lowest key on the keyboard (by accident/or to check the patch??) and it just let out a loud low piano note before he then immediately began to play the intro :lol Not sure what that was about. James also came in way too early at the end of TWS which has been mentioned. It was certainly noticeable but didn't f**k up the song or anything.
Needless to say the rest of the band were fantastic as always. The sound was a little weak at the very start, after the booming NOMAC intro track, the first note of the Overture didn't quite have the impact I was hoping for as the band almost seemed quieter than Decent. But throughout the show came more and more power and by the second act everything was pretty much perfect. It's to be expected anyway. It's completely different soundchecking in an empty room and then having a theatre FULL of bodies so I think the soundy did a great job at firefighting the mix.
Some of the audience were absolute ****s. This really let me down a little and distracted me from the show. In the complete silence just before "Losing Faythe" (Pretty much the saddest moment of the show).. Somebody thought it'd be HILARIOUS to shout out "METROPOLIIIIISSSSSS"........ and then another genius thought he could out do this comedian by adding "PART 2!!!!!".... There was lots of cringing from the rest of the crowd and I heard a few people telling them to shut up.
But what got me was the whole encore situation. DT made it perfectly clear that there would not be one, but there will always be the ignorant idiots who still expect too much. After TA, when the band did their final bow and had a picture taken with the crowd, this should have also been confirmation that it was the end of the show. DT have only ever done their bow AFTER any encore. When the lights remained down for the credits, there was some cheering for an encore, which I joined in with. Even though I knew it wouldn't happen there was a small part of me that though maybe just maybe but I wasn't going to be disappointed if the house lights came up, which they did.. and were met with a huge boo from a large portion of the crowd. It didn't even sound like it was in jest. I even heard someone say "They are having a laugh ain't they...?". Everything is never enough I guess.
There was also a lot of awkwardness in terms of standing up during the final tracks. A few people stood during ANB and this seemed to annoy people sitting further back lol... Some people were even shouting "sit down" during power down, and even though I remained seated 7 rows from the front.. it did make me feel VERY awkward. This was relieved however as at the start of TA everyone in the stalls stood up and the atmosphere was great for the end of the show.
Anyway all in all an awesome almost album perfect performance and any TA fan will not be disappointed in the slightest. It was what it was. TA live.
I posted a pic of the merch stand for anyone that wanted to see it. PLEASE don't support the bootleg trade that you are met with lined up outside the venue. It's cheap crap and the designs begin to come off after just a few washes. Spend the extra and support the band and you'll end up with a much better quality item.
Enjoy tonight. I wish I was going again but my bank manager said no.
:metal
-
Some of the audience were absolute ****s. This really let me down a little and distracted me from the show. In the complete silence just before Act Of Faythe (Pretty much the saddest moment of the show).. Somebody thought it'd be HILARIOUS to shout out "METROPOLIIIIISSSSSS"........ and then another genius thought he could out do this comedian by adding "PART 2!!!!!".... There was lots of cringing from the rest of the crowd and I heard a few people telling them to shut up.
Yeah, that was near me. Morons.
-
Some of the audience were absolute ****s. This really let me down a little and distracted me from the show. In the complete silence just before Act Of Faythe (Pretty much the saddest moment of the show).. Somebody thought it'd be HILARIOUS to shout out "METROPOLIIIIISSSSSS"........ and then another genius thought he could out do this comedian by adding "PART 2!!!!!".... There was lots of cringing from the rest of the crowd and I heard a few people telling them to shut up.
Yeah, that was near me. Morons.
*Losing Faythe* *fixed*
-
Does anyone have a spare ticket for tonight?
-
Does anyone have a spare ticket for tonight?
Take a look on the facebook event dude. Last time I checked there were a few going.
-
A New Beginning live audio (no vid)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-piPJypVxkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-piPJypVxkk)
Sounds awesome!
-
Great review Billzo.
I was also annoyed at the crowd for shouting out random stuff. I was surprised that no one clapped in time with the clap in the Hymn of A Thousand Voices. Mangini pointed at us to clap and we all left him hanging!
And the announcements during the interval were SO quiet, and when the band came back on and played there were about 50 odd people still standing up, which is most likely due to the dodgy announcements.
This was my first time seeing DT, and i was stunned at how good they were, better than i expected, and i had big expectations. Many hair raising moments throughout the show. The lighting and background movie were excellent, i particularly liked the background movie during A Tempting Offer where you could see Arhys shouting.
I wont do a proper review as ill just be repeating what others have said so far but ill say something that hasnt been said yet.
Johns reaction at the end of the show was amazing in my opinion, you could just see how proud he was of the whole thing. You could almost tell that he was dreaming about that very moment for so long, the moment when he plays that final note at the first show. The point at which his (obviously not just his) masterpiece had made it all the way.
Ofcourse he is happy at the end of every show as anyone would be, but you could see the happiness and sense of achievement in his body language, that was quite something. Inspiring.
I still feel guilty for buying that t-shirt...
-
Does anyone have a spare ticket for tonight?
Take a look on the facebook event dude. Last time I checked there were a few going.
I think they are mostly from a few days ago and they were expecting to post them - I'm trying to get a ticket for a friend that we can just pick up there. The only other option is try our luck outside the venue...
-
Great review Billzo.
I was surprised that no one clapped in time with the clap in the Hymn of A Thousand Voices. Mangini pointed at us to clap and we all left him hanging!
And the announcements during the interval were SO quiet, and when the band came back on and played there were about 50 odd people still standing up, which is most likely due to the dodgy announcements.
I still feel guilty for buying that t-shirt...
We were clapping down the front dude :) Soon as Mangini started beating that drum with the soft beaters everyone around us started to clap.
Yeah it seemed as though they were doing the house calls through a prehistoric venue PA system that was at it's lowest volume, especially during the interval. In fact I didn't hear one call whilst I was in the bar.
Don't feel bad dude ;) I know that official merch is pretty expensive. I couldn't justify it last night either and decided to save and buy some online afterwards. But the bootleggers position themselves so you can't not see it, and for your first DT show you may just act on impulse and just buy it. But the amount of profit those guys are making on the band is disgusting.
-
Show was awesome. I think the only thing that annoyed me were the hecklers. Otherwise, this was probably the best of the three DT shows I've been to (and my dad says it may be the best concert he has ever been to, completely changing his opinion on the album :metal).
-
I was also annoyed at the crowd for shouting out random stuff. I was surprised that no one clapped in time with the clap in the Hymn of A Thousand Voices. Mangini pointed at us to clap and we all left him hanging!
I'm not one to judge usually, but the crowd at this show sounds absolutely terrible. I feel sorry for the people who just came to enjoy the show for what it is, and also for the band.
-
Great review Billzo.
I was surprised that no one clapped in time with the clap in the Hymn of A Thousand Voices. Mangini pointed at us to clap and we all left him hanging!
And the announcements during the interval were SO quiet, and when the band came back on and played there were about 50 odd people still standing up, which is most likely due to the dodgy announcements.
I still feel guilty for buying that t-shirt...
We were clapping down the front dude :) Soon as Mangini started beating that drum with the soft beaters everyone around us started to clap.
Yeah it seemed as though they were doing the house calls through a prehistoric venue PA system that was at it's lowest volume, especially during the interval. In fact I didn't hear one call whilst I was in the bar.
Don't feel bad dude ;) I know that official merch is pretty expensive. I couldn't justify it last night either and decided to save and buy some online afterwards. But the bootleggers position themselves so you can't not see it, and for your first DT show you may just act on impulse and just buy it. But the amount of profit those guys are making on the band is disgusting.
It almost seemed like i was the only person wanting to join in back where i was!
Cheers bud. It was literally an impulse buy as you say. At least i wont be making that mistake again :tup
-
A New Beginning live audio (no vid)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-piPJypVxkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-piPJypVxkk)
Sounds awesome!
It sounds great. The vocals are a bit off in a few spots, but otherwise perfect.
-
I was also annoyed at the crowd for shouting out random stuff. I was surprised that no one clapped in time with the clap in the Hymn of A Thousand Voices. Mangini pointed at us to clap and we all left him hanging!
I'm not one to judge usually, but the crowd at this show sounds absolutely terrible. I feel sorry for the people who just came to enjoy the show for what it is, and also for the band.
I think because it was in a theater and it was presented as a theater show it was tough to judge how to respond. It was definitely a different kind of atmosphere to a regular DT gig and you could sense it as soon as you walked into the venue. The chap next to me was desperate to stand up the whole gig and got frustrated but it was quite similar to a regular West End show.
After we stood up during Our New World the crowd let loose and was great. In fact I don't think I've seen the kind of ovation they got at the end at a UK show before.
-
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12744033_992491497484699_1237385651918888449_n.jpg?oh=5a6f660595ecf750037b5e82cf9fd971&oe=57278ACA)
Palladium London - Upper Circle view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnJEXIyvEs
-
A very short but very high quality video of the end of Act of Faythe
https://twitter.com/joshgauton/status/700652943142363139
-
I was also annoyed at the crowd for shouting out random stuff. I was surprised that no one clapped in time with the clap in the Hymn of A Thousand Voices. Mangini pointed at us to clap and we all left him hanging!
I'm not one to judge usually, but the crowd at this show sounds absolutely terrible. I feel sorry for the people who just came to enjoy the show for what it is, and also for the band.
I think because it was in a theater and it was presented as a theater show it was tough to judge how to respond. It was definitely a different kind of atmosphere to a regular DT gig and you could sense it as soon as you walked into the venue. The chap next to me was desperate to stand up the whole gig and got frustrated but it was quite similar to a regular West End show.
After we stood up during Our New World the crowd let loose and was great. In fact I don't think I've seen the kind of ovation they got at the end at a UK show before.
Genome keeps stealing what I want to say :tup, but I think the reason the crowd were subdued was a combination of the newness of the album, and the theatre presentation. I think people weren't sure how they were meant to react, and with the over strictness of the venue staff probably didn't want to get moaned at.
I was singing along for parts (sorry ariich ;)) and I was really happy when everyone was on their feet for the last song, to give the band the ovation they deserved.
It was a privilege to see these guys live.
-
I was also annoyed at the crowd for shouting out random stuff. I was surprised that no one clapped in time with the clap in the Hymn of A Thousand Voices. Mangini pointed at us to clap and we all left him hanging!
I'm not one to judge usually, but the crowd at this show sounds absolutely terrible. I feel sorry for the people who just came to enjoy the show for what it is, and also for the band.
I think because it was in a theater and it was presented as a theater show it was tough to judge how to respond. It was definitely a different kind of atmosphere to a regular DT gig and you could sense it as soon as you walked into the venue. The chap next to me was desperate to stand up the whole gig and got frustrated but it was quite similar to a regular West End show.
After we stood up during Our New World the crowd let loose and was great. In fact I don't think I've seen the kind of ovation they got at the end at a UK show before.
Genome keeps stealing what I want to say :tup, but I think the reason the crowd were subdued was a combination of the newness of the album, and the theatre presentation. I think people weren't sure how they were meant to react, and with the over strictness of the venue staff probably didn't want to get moaned at.
I was singing along for parts (sorry ariich ;)) and I was really happy when everyone was on their feet for the last song, to give the band the ovation they deserved.
It was a privilege to see these guys live.
I know a lot of fans (not just DT, all bands) hate people like me. I absolutely love sitting at concerts. I don't want to be shoulder to shoulder with people or see a million fists in the air blocking the stage. I don't want to rattle my brain around. I want to sit and stare at the stage while taking in everything the band has to offer.
-
Never mind :)
-
Thanks mate - just gave you a PM to take it off the thread :)
-
A New Beginning live audio (no vid)!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-piPJypVxkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-piPJypVxkk)
Sounds awesome!
It sounds great. The vocals are a bit off in a few spots, but otherwise perfect.
Yes, a few rough spots but overall actually quite a bit better than I was expecting. He pulled of some parts really well and, based on this, I am definitely looking forward to the Nefaryus-centered pieces ;D Same goes for the other vids, some notes sound flat and sometimes the sound he makes is a bit unpleasant/weird, but there are many parts where he sounds vivid and on point. Pronunciation may be a bit weird at times, but I can understand the words he is saying so far. This is really a far cry from the Wacken show last year and some of the vids I saw of that festival tour (which were all pretty damn awful in terms of vocals). He also does some soft parts without being too breathy, which is nice. I liked his performance at Theater Equation last year, but I do think he was a bit monotonous at times (with most lines sung with his breathy style, which he (too) often tends to do in softer parts in general). He manages the different vocal styles well in the vids so far.
-
I think JP's wife and daughter were sat in the royal box? He was looking up to them occasionally. He got distracted at one point and played a wrong chord and laughed.
Found the video of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niQA5hNAEZ8
At 0:15 :rollin
-
No word of a lie someone near me has come dressed up as Faythe!
Here's a picture of her
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblJbLtUAAA1z-6.jpg)
-
Just wondering if anyone is going to tonight's show and heading to the Argyll Arms beforehand?
You have PM!
-
I think JP's wife and daughter were sat in the royal box? He was looking up to them occasionally. He got distracted at one point and played a wrong chord and laughed.
Found the video of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niQA5hNAEZ8
At 0:15 :rollin
Never noticed the little arm rest JLB has on his mic stand before. :lol
-
Genome you were closer than me so can verify - the acoustic was on like a stand that JP just stood behind during those parts, with his normal guitar still on him ready to jump between them flawlessly. And they just took the whole stand away when it wasn't needed. Is that what I was seeing?
-
I think so. Would've been cool to keep it there as there was plenty of space.
Hopefully they turn it up tonight!
-
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12744033_992491497484699_1237385651918888449_n.jpg?oh=5a6f660595ecf750037b5e82cf9fd971&oe=57278ACA)
Palladium London - Upper Circle view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnJEXIyvEs
Mangini finally got rid of those other 2 bass drums ! His kit looks a lot less silly now.
-
No word of a lie someone near me has come dressed up as Faythe!
Here's a picture of her
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblJbLtUAAA1z-6.jpg)
That's awesome. I have to admit since the album came out I have been wanting to do a cosplay of one of the characters but I'm already deep in planning my Evangelion cosplays so it will have to wait.
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fxUj1LvSNY
First three songs.
-
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12744033_992491497484699_1237385651918888449_n.jpg?oh=5a6f660595ecf750037b5e82cf9fd971&oe=57278ACA)
Palladium London - Upper Circle view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnJEXIyvEs
There's something like an ipad or a mirror next to JM's pedalboard. I hadn't notice.
-
Not familiar with the specifics of what he uses, but I know a lot of newer boards now have interfaces where you can control them with a tablet. Some can be synced with a master that controls the main soundboard as well.
-
Any of you who attended the show happens to remember if the scream at the end of "My Last Farewell" was pre-recorded, or if James did it live?
Also: during that scream, was there any animation of the characters? Maybe that way we could know if the scream is Daryus or Gabriel.
-
TA (Other version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_43bg6CSmY
-
There's something like an ipad or a mirror next to JM's pedalboard. I hadn't notice.
it's a mirror. so he can see how astonishing he looks :coolio :ninja:
-
A lot of what I have to say about last night has already been said, but I'd just like to say that live, the Nomac tracks are bizarrely unnerving when combined with the visuals. Overall I'd say that the album is far better performed than it is recorded, I gained a real appreciation for some of the tracks that I was pretty lukewarm towards on release.
Also, it was really great to meet folks, you're all pretty cool :)
-
Any of you who attended the show happens to remember if the scream at the end of "My Last Farewell" was pre-recorded, or if James did it live?
Also: during that scream, was there any animation of the characters? Maybe that way we could know if the scream is Daryus or Gabriel.
Can't remember what was happening in the visuals, but the scream was pre-recorded, and sounded to me like it came from the back of the theater, like a "surround sound" effect. Some of the nomac sounds seemed to come from behind as well.
-
The look on JP's face once the show is done - priceless. You made it, John! :metal
Thanks a million for all the information, photos and videos, I immensely appreciated it. I'm following.
-
Does James laugh on stage during Three Days?
-
Does James laugh on stage during Three Days?
Nope :( nor does he do 'you murderer, your day will come!'
-
Does James laugh on stage during Three Days?
Nope :(
Ok I'm selling my ticket
Bummer!
-
I wouldn't either now that James' voice is really good again.
-
Any of you who attended the show happens to remember if the scream at the end of "My Last Farewell" was pre-recorded, or if James did it live?
Also: during that scream, was there any animation of the characters? Maybe that way we could know if the scream is Daryus or Gabriel.
Can't remember what was happening in the visuals, but the scream was pre-recorded, and sounded to me like it came from the back of the theater, like a "surround sound" effect. Some of the nomac sounds seemed to come from behind as well.
Thanks!
-
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12744033_992491497484699_1237385651918888449_n.jpg?oh=5a6f660595ecf750037b5e82cf9fd971&oe=57278ACA)
Palladium London - Upper Circle view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnJEXIyvEs
Whatever that white thing is on Jordan's shirt looks like it's part of his goatee. :lol
-
But what got me was the whole encore situation. DT made it perfectly clear that there would not be one, but there will always be the ignorant idiots who still expect too much. After TA, when the band did their final bow and had a picture taken with the crowd, this should have also been confirmation that it was the end of the show. DT have only ever done their bow AFTER any encore. When the lights remained down for the credits, there was some cheering for an encore, which I joined in with. Even though I knew it wouldn't happen there was a small part of me that though maybe just maybe but I wasn't going to be disappointed if the house lights came up, which they did.. and were met with a huge boo from a large portion of the crowd. It didn't even sound like it was in jest. I even heard someone say "They are having a laugh ain't they...?". Everything is never enough I guess.
I agree with much of your review but, with respect, I don’t think this is right. As you say, a "large portion of the crowd" were booing, which by that logic means a large portion of the crowd are also "ignorant idiots". That’s unfair.
DT may have made it clear that there would be no encores but evidently there are dedicated fans who keep up to date with important announcements and those that just enjoy their music. Many were disappointed at the lack of encores so we shouldn't underestimate the numbers of those that fall into the latter category.
Will be interesting to see how this topic pans out over the rest of the tour. My guess would be that we’ll be hearing a lot more about this one and two possibilities are that the band either will play encores later on in the tour in response to fan pressure or will be reluctant to drop them for future tours.
Anyway, that aside I do agree with most of what you thought and I enjoyed it too. As you say, it was a good performance, particularly given that it was an early tour show. Anyone seeing them this tour is in for a treat and if you’re seeing them beyond the early stages of it you’re going to get something extra special. You could tell how much effort they’d put in by the joy/relief on MM’s face at the end.
-
I really like John Myung's new wardrobe look. :tup
-
Black?
-
Black?
To me it would be worth more than an encore to see JM dressed all in white and the rest of the band in all black.
-
The question i'm missing is, did Labrie sing the ending to A Tempting Offer saying "dec---i-i-ddde" or "decide"? JP said on Reddit that there was nothing wrong with that part on the album...
-
Black?
To me it would be worth more than an encore to see JM dressed all in white and the rest of the band in all black.
Maybe he an Jon Anderson can exchange wardrobes.
-
Black?
Black is the new black. :P
-
That's exactly how I feel.
-
The look on JP's face once the show is done - priceless. You made it, John! :metal
Absolutely, that was a great moment!
-
Just a quick post to say that the sound is absolutely superb tonight. It's loud, crisp, clear and well balanced. Like, among the best sound I've heard at a show.
-
Hopefully it stays that way during the encore. I heard that is where they have been having sound issues the most. ;)
-
Hopefully it stays that way during the encore. I heard that is where they have been having sound issues the most. ;)
:lol
-
Well, smart arse, they have actually made it VERY clear that the title track is the encore, by taking bows and leaving the stage after Our New World.
So there!
-
No kidding. Sound was so bad during the encore I could barely hear anything. :laugh:
-
Well, smart arse, they have actually made it VERY clear that the title track is the encore, by taking bows and leaving the stage after Our New World.
So there!
Smart move, they didn't do that last night. But again, and I keep saying this but it was evident that Astonishing was the encore. Nothing else would sound right just tagged on the end.
-
Just a quick post to say that the sound is absolutely superb tonight. It's loud, crisp, clear and well balanced. Like, among the best sound I've heard at a show.
This makes me happy, considering that I will attend the third show at the same venue.
-
Well, smart arse, they have actually made it VERY clear that the title track is the encore, by taking bows and leaving the stage after Our New World.
So there!
Smart move, they didn't do that last night. But again, and I keep saying this but it was evident that Astonishing was the encore. Nothing else would sound right just tagged on the end.
Yes, definitely a smart tweak after last night.
Any more info on tonight's show?? Maybe folks are still collecting their thoughts..
Edit: Not sure if this has been posted, via the official DT Twitter feed: https://amnplify.com.au/cpt_reviews/dream-theater-the-astonishing-live-london-18022016/
-
That was great! Sound was very good as Rich said and James did very well bar the odd higher passage. The guy with the Ravenskill flag :lol :hefdaddy I was sitting right in the centre, 8 rows from the front - best view I've had of a DT gig :coolio Rather bizarrely, every seat to my right in the middle section stayed empty ??? Eventually a couple guys appeared a few songs in. Majority of the crowd seemed to really enjoy it (except one guy I heard shout 'boring' I think near the end :tdwn ) and most people standing for the final three songs added a lot to them for me, as on the album I'm not hugely keen on that stretch of songs.
Yes, it would have been awesome if they'd cracked out a classic at the end, but I knew what to expect and enjoyed it for what it was. :metal
-
I think JP's wife and daughter were sat in the royal box? He was looking up to them occasionally. He got distracted at one point and played a wrong chord and laughed.
Found the video of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niQA5hNAEZ8
At 0:15 :rollin
Great stuff there! :metal
-
I'll post a proper review when I get home or maybe in the morning. I got an aftershow pass and brought genome along with me, so we stuck around afterwards and got to meet the band. Really cool guys!
-
I have had an incredible evening :rollin
-
Just a quick post to say that the sound is absolutely superb tonight. It's loud, crisp, clear and well balanced. Like, among the best sound I've heard at a show.
This makes me happy, considering that I will attend the third show at the same venue.
There's a third London date ?
-
I'm assuming he means when they play in Milan, since he's from Italy.
-
I have had an incredible evening :rollin
Glad you had fun.
-
Ok, I find myself on a slow train home, so here are some more detailed thoughts to pass the time.
As I said, the sound was fantastic right from the off. Genome said they'd got the sound right by halfway through the second set last night - seems they stuck with the right settings tonight. Really made everything very engaging and convincing. Chatted to the band after, and James explained that they have their own PA on the tour but had to use the Palladium's for these shows, which probably contributed to the teething problems.
Performances were very strong, pretty much flawless from the instrumentalists, and James was on good form. It was his usual thing - strong when singing out loudly, even on the high notes, but no annunciation on the high notes, and some off pitching on quieter sections.
Overall the band seemed to be enjoying themselves a lot. Fans who were there both nights commented how much more relaxed they were tonight, and the band seemed to confirm this.
The encore thing - Richard and Kerry who run Voices UK were at both nights, and Kerry explained that she and Danielle Rudess (who was also there, and is a theatre director) had come up with a way to make the encore clear and bring the house lights up quickly, to avoid confusion and disappointment. Worked perfectly, everyone got it. And actually, in the live setting treating the title track as an epilogue/encore works brilliantly and made the pacing better in my opinion.
The crowd were great! Pretty reserved in our usual British way, and it was seated of course, but it was a really warm reception. Lots of applause all the time, people standing up on occasion, one guy down the front had a (presumably home made) Ravenskill flag which he started waving in Brother Can You Hear Me and occasionally after. And everyone stood up at the start of Hymn and stayed standing for the rest of it. Really great atmosphere!
Oh and the visuals - on the whole they were good. They are very clearly designed to do the usual thing at DT shows which is accompany the band and music, rather than be the focus. Some on the animation is low budget (lots of use of the character "cardboard cutout" pics) but some is really great, presumably mostly stock animations and vids but all very fitting. The lighting (which was by far the best I've seen from DT) and vids really added to the atmosphere of each song. There was only one moment I thought was awful, which was the cardboard cutout pic of Faythe photoshopped into a bed for Begin Again. It looked quite ridiculous.
All in all though, really great show!
Standout moments for me:
Three Days was just superb. James has SO much character, and Mike's drumming at the end was just outrageously excellent.
The Daryus section in A Life Left Behind (I'll keep her safe from all danger etc) was brilliant, gave me chills.
But the most chills-down-the-spine moment was the build up and climax in The X Aspect. It embodied emotion and really got to me. Stunning.
Guitar solo in A New Beginning - I'm not as in love with it as many are (though I like it loads) but it was fantastic live. Reminded me of BAI.
My Last Farewell was fantastic and again very emotive.
Hymn of a Thousand Voices is another song I like but don't love, but the crowd completely got into it and stood for the whole thing. The swaying and the joining in for the choir bit (even though most of us didn't really know the lyrics there) was so immersive.
-
First time seeing DT live, and it was amazing! So glad I flew specifically for this to London.
Have to say though, I really wanted to punch the guy that screamed "pull me under" and "boring" after whispers on he wind, that was not cool.
Also, the London crowd seems to be especially dry. Me and my two friends were at the royal circle and desperately tried to get people to stand up at the last song. Slightly ruined the moment having us the only ones to stand up there.
Still, had such a great time! I have to mention hat James was excellent! A few slips but mostly spot on.
Oh and A New Beginning solo was just as incredible as I thought it would be. The crowd went especially nuts at that one in the stalls :)
-
The question i'm missing is, did Labrie sing the ending to A Tempting Offer saying "dec---i-i-ddde" or "decide"? JP said on Reddit that there was nothing wrong with that part on the album...
It's more likely that John just tried to brush it off or actually didn't notice, than having this awkward stop be on purpose. He would've referred to that pause by name and explain why it happens if it was on purpose, instead he was like " Wait what are we talking about again?"
-
Yup, pretty much echo the comments so far. The sound was spot on from the off and the crowd were more into it throughout, the whole thing was more confident and assured. Speaking to them afterwards they echoed that, particularly JP noticed it.
Must say thanks to ariich for being a gent. It was great to meet the band. All of them were very friendly and engaging. And I held it together pretty well meeting JP who is one of my guitar heroes! Had a good nerd out about his new amp!
All in all... Decent evening I suppose!
-
Watching the Youtube videos, all I can say is WHEN WOULD RICH CHYCKI AND PETRUCCI REALIZE THAT MANGINI"S DRUMS SOUND SO MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE WHEN YOU CAN HEAR THE CYMBALS CLEARLY?
-
Have to say though, I really wanted to punch the guy that screamed "pull me under" and "boring" after whispers on he wind, that was not cool.
That guy was a dick, but at least he was the only one. The other heckles were really positive ones, like "that was SHIT HOT!" :lol
Also, the London crowd seems to be especially dry. Me and my two friends were at the royal circle and desperately tried to get people to stand up at the last song. Slightly ruined the moment having us the only ones to stand up there.
I can imagine it would be a bit like that in the circles. It was a great atmosphere down in the stalls, loads of songs got people all around clapping along.
Must say thanks to ariich for being a gent.
:heart
And I held it together pretty well meeting JP who is one of my guitar heroes! Had a good nerd out about his new amp!
Alright, no need to rub it in that you got to chat with him and I didn't. :P I guess I'll make do with getting to speak to everyone else. Next time, I'm targeting JP.
Watching the Youtube videos, all I can say is WHEN WOULD RICH CHYCKI AND PETRUCCI REALIZE THAT MANGINI"S DRUMS SOUND SO MUCH MORE IMPRESSIVE WHEN YOU CAN HEAR THE CYMBALS CLEARLY?
Definitely! When you can hear the cymbals properly, his drumming is just so cool and groovy. Really hits home when you see him live.
-
Heavens Cove! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ionoUH76roU
Awesomesauce! :metal
LOL at Jordans hickup with the patch-change :lol Great to see that he`s actually human.
BTW, have anyone else noticed that MM have moved his stacks and splashes from the bottom to the upper rack?
-
I made myself the same remark after seeing the videos posted earlier in the thread. F***, there are some really groovy moments that are lost on the CD because of poor cymbal sound. Glad you all had a nice time, pals!
B.Lee
-
Great info, guys. So jealous! :lol
-
Did they have a different ending to New Beginning? I mean obviously they didn't fade it out live but did they do anything interesting there?
-
A Better Life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkWFsuhT-i4
-
Heavens Cove! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ionoUH76roU
Awesomesauce! :metal
LOL at Jordans hickup with the patch-change :lol Great to see that he`s actually human.
BTW, have anyone else noticed that MM have moved his stacks and splashes from the bottom to the upper rack?
I noticed that he only has two bass drums now and it makes his kit look a lot less oversized.
-
Bahaha I'd forgotten about Jordan's patch screw up in Heaven's Cove. He recovered quickly and it was all fine, but it made me chuckle.
That's a good video that one. The thing I'd say with these vids is that they don't quite get across how much the visuals add to the atmosphere. The screens are not just at the back, but all at the sides of the front plus the drum riser. Especially if you're sat in the stalls, there are a number of points where it becomes incredibly immersive.
-
Oh another thing the show highlighted was how many guitar solos there are across the album. I don't understand why some people thought there weren't many.
-
Bahaha I'd forgotten about Jordan's patch screw up in Heaven's Cove. He recovered quickly and it was all fine, but it made me chuckle.
That's a good video that one. The thing I'd say with these vids is that they don't quite get across how much the visuals add to the atmosphere. The screens are not just at the back, but all at the sides of the front plus the drum riser. Especially if you're sat in the stalls, there are a number of points where it becomes incredibly immersive.
I loved it during Dystopian Overture as they took you on a tour through the GNE from the NOMAC perspective
-
Oh another thing the show highlighted was how many guitar solos there are across the album. I don't understand why some people thought there weren't many.
I am guessing the "songs with guitar solos to total songs" ratio is a bit lower than normal (I think ADTOE and DT12 were both 6 or 7 out of 9, for example), but yeah, there are still a lot of solos on this record. And many of them are pretty understated, by JP's standards.
-
Oh another thing the show highlighted was how many guitar solos there are across the album. I don't understand why some people thought there weren't many.
I am guessing the "songs with guitar solos to total songs" ratio is a bit lower than normal (I think ADTOE and DT12 were both 6 or 7 out of 9, for example), but yeah, there are still a lot of solos on this record. And many of them are pretty understated, by JP's standards.
Hmm, I'd say per-track is a strange ratio to consider - per length of time is surely more appropriate. If we just take the first disc of TA, which is comprable in length to a usual DT album, there are solos in:
Dystopian Overture
Gift of Music
A Better Life
[A Saviour in the Square (ish, in the intro - call it a half-solo maybe)]
When Your Time Has Come
Chosen
A New Beginning
So that's 6-7, i.e. the same as the last couple of albums.
And for sure many of JP's solos are very melodic rather than crazy techy ones, though I find that's normally the case anyway. I guess others might find them understate.
-
Great video of Savior in the Square and When Your Time Has Come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_mhh-7TcOY
-
A Better Life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkWFsuhT-i4
Johns guitar sounds amazing in this video, that lead tone is one of the best live sounds I've heard from him, can't wait to see this live.
-
Great video of Savior in the Square and When Your Time Has Come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_mhh-7TcOY
:tup
-
Great video of Savior in the Square and When Your Time Has Come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_mhh-7TcOY
WOW.....stunning.
-
Great video of Savior in the Square and When Your Time Has Come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_mhh-7TcOY
WOW.....stunning.
That was really amazing. With the exception of a couple of vocal imperfections, it was flawless.
-
Great video of Savior in the Square and When Your Time Has Come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_mhh-7TcOY
WOW.....stunning.
That was really amazing. With the exception of a couple of vocal imperfections, it was flawless.
Agreed. James sounds much better on here compared to the previous night...huge improvement!
-
Looking forward to my show on march 4th!
Still though, I think people are giving James too much slack because we all like him so much.
He DOES sound FANTASTIC on the album, but live... Only very few notes on this album are really high and still he seems to struggle with each and every one of them (granted, this observation is based on fractions of a couple of songs of the two first concerts).He also seems not to hold any of the notes particularly long, even if the songs warrents it!
I think we have to face it... Wacken 2015 was not the "odd one out". :-/ Hope he can up his game with more Astonishing concerts under his belt! :metal
-
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
-
Great video of Savior in the Square and When Your Time Has Come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_mhh-7TcOY
That was such a joy to watch. Thanks for posting! :tup :tup
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
Totally disagree. The studio albums are what most of us will be listening to for years, not the live stuff, so I say, go all out in the studio, even if you can't do it live. JLB has always been somewhat of a mixed bag live, but I think most of us know that at this point.
-
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
Totally disagree. The studio albums are what most of us will be listening to for years, not the live stuff, so I say, go all out in the studio, even if you can't do it live. JLB has always been somewhat of a mixed bag live, but I think most of us know that at this point.
I understand where you're coming from and you're right in that the studio albums are what we'll be listening to for years. However, would you be intrigued by a singer who made this brilliant CD in the studio, but couldn't hit one note of it live? I find no entertainment in that. I can't listen to a band and then see them live and realize it sounds nothing like the studio record. Dream Theater are all about their live experience, especially with this recent tour, so to me saying it's just about the studio version and not the live version is just a cop out.
-
It would be better if he changed some of the melodies for the tour. That way we still have the studio version exactly as intended, but live he wouldn't have to put as much strain on his voice. I mean, that might disappoint some people too, but it could help.
-
The thing I'd say with these vids is that they don't quite get across how much the visuals add to the atmosphere. The screens are not just at the back, but all at the sides of the front plus the drum riser. Especially if you're sat in the stalls, there are a number of points where it becomes incredibly immersive.
Yeah there's a cool bit in Descent of the NOMACs with the 2 loud sort of drones they give out at the end of the track - on the screens it looked like a soundwave propagating out from the NOMAC in the centre as it made the sound, almost like a 3D effect.
A lot of time I found it hard to really pay attention to the visuals though, as I was too transfixed on the actual band :biggrin:
-
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
Totally disagree. The studio albums are what most of us will be listening to for years, not the live stuff, so I say, go all out in the studio, even if you can't do it live. JLB has always been somewhat of a mixed bag live, but I think most of us know that at this point.
I understand where you're coming from and you're right in that the studio albums are what we'll be listening to for years. However, would you be intrigued by a singer who made this brilliant CD in the studio, but couldn't hit one note of it live? I find no entertainment in that. I can't listen to a band and then see them live and realize it sounds nothing like the studio record. Dream Theater are all about their live experience, especially with this recent tour, so to me saying it's just about the studio version and not the live version is just a cop out.
JLB isn't like that, so not sure how that is relevant to this discussion. Yes, he struggles at times, but I couldn't care less. If they took the approach of "only do in the studio what we can do live," a song like Take the Time, for example, would lose much of its awesomeness. The advantage of making songs in the studio is to make everything sound as good as possible from a performance standpoint.
-
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
Totally disagree. The studio albums are what most of us will be listening to for years, not the live stuff, so I say, go all out in the studio, even if you can't do it live. JLB has always been somewhat of a mixed bag live, but I think most of us know that at this point.
Agreed entirely Kev. :tup
However, would you be intrigued by a singer who made this brilliant CD in the studio, but couldn't hit one note of it live?
That's not the case, though.
Live performances always have imperfections. JR fluffed the sounds in Heaven's Cove. JP has made a couple of mistakes. That's part of the fun of the live experience. If James sounded outright bad, that would be one thing, but he doesn't.
-
While there are definately rough patches in the vocals and some part definitely do not sound smooth, I really think he sounds well overall. I can't listen to Wacken at all, every sentence sung is a trainwreck for the first half or so. Even the first TA show is a far, far cry from that one, based on cellphone vids. I see others mentioned it as well, but the old bootlegs I saw/heard sure as hell are not perfect either. But in part that is also due to his versatility, he can sings quite different in different songs and he simply pulls off some styles better.
Also, while these vids definately are able to present mistakes in pitching, pronounciation, timing, "faulthy technique" etc., do keep in mind that bootlegs and all are not fully representative of a performance. I have heard recordings of myself (and others) with my shitty laptop speakers and trough an actual microphone and the difference was big. In these vids, a huge chunk of the frequencies are completely drowned away. What I mean with this is that, while the notes and all remain the same, the sound quality matters as well for the total perception (just like quality matters a lot when recording instruments). In no way does this mean Labrie's mistakes or off sounding parts are not actually off, though.
Furthermore, I heavily disagree that a singer should not give his all in a studio. Studio recordings are art and I do not like giving yourself creative limitations based on future concerts/performances. I do, however, think a band should adjust to the limits of their vocalist in a live setting. In a way I admire that Labrie is a singer of no compromise, but I do wish he more often just deviates from a studio version and chooses to focus on sounding at his best. See what Sonata Arctica recently did, they adjusted all Ecliptica songs for Tony's voice nowadays and they kicked arse on tour, instead of him attempting those awkward high notes. Blind Guardian is another example of a band who adjust their songs to their vocalist.
-
Great video of Savior in the Square and When Your Time Has Come!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_mhh-7TcOY
That was such a joy to watch. Thanks for posting! :tup :tup
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
Totally disagree. The studio albums are what most of us will be listening to for years, not the live stuff, so I say, go all out in the studio, even if you can't do it live. JLB has always been somewhat of a mixed bag live, but I think most of us know that at this point.
I totally agree Kev and have made this point many times. It's the studio albums that will live on.
As great as Zeppelin was, Plant was HORRENDOUS live.
-
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
Totally disagree. The studio albums are what most of us will be listening to for years, not the live stuff, so I say, go all out in the studio, even if you can't do it live. JLB has always been somewhat of a mixed bag live, but I think most of us know that at this point.
I understand where you're coming from and you're right in that the studio albums are what we'll be listening to for years. However, would you be intrigued by a singer who made this brilliant CD in the studio, but couldn't hit one note of it live? I find no entertainment in that. I can't listen to a band and then see them live and realize it sounds nothing like the studio record. Dream Theater are all about their live experience, especially with this recent tour, so to me saying it's just about the studio version and not the live version is just a cop out.
JLB isn't like that, so not sure how that is relevant to this discussion. Yes, he struggles at times, but I couldn't care less. If they took the approach of "only do in the studio what we can do live," a song like Take the Time, for example, would lose much of its awesomeness. The advantage of making songs in the studio is to make everything sound as good as possible from a performance standpoint.
Then we'll just have to disagree. I don't see the point of playing a song live and have it filled with imperfections because the musicians involved could only play it the right way in the studio.
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
Totally disagree. The studio albums are what most of us will be listening to for years, not the live stuff, so I say, go all out in the studio, even if you can't do it live. JLB has always been somewhat of a mixed bag live, but I think most of us know that at this point.
Agreed entirely Kev. :tup
However, would you be intrigued by a singer who made this brilliant CD in the studio, but couldn't hit one note of it live?
That's not the case, though.
Live performances always have imperfections. JR fluffed the sounds in Heaven's Cove. JP has made a couple of mistakes. That's part of the fun of the live experience. If James sounded outright bad, that would be one thing, but he doesn't.
Firstly, my point is that if you're okay with some mistakes, where do you draw the line then? When it does become too many mistakes to listen to? How about striving to make NO mistakes and not put oneself in the position that enhances the possibility of mistakes.
Secondly, you're comparing JR, who hardly makes mistakes, to JLB who misses notes on a nightly basis. I would understand if it's rare that he made mistakes live but that's not the case. Your analogy isn't really well constructed. Look, I'm not saying James is a terrible singer and that isn't what my original comment was suggesting. However, if you think a musician should only have to give us 90-95% on a nightly basis, then that's what you like, and don't assume we should all have look up to that same standard because people can't take criticism of their favorite musical artists.
-
Huh? That doesn't make any sense. A musician who makes a mistake live wasn't giving 100 percent? Come on. Mistakes happen live. Even the best musicians in the world mess up sometimes, and expecting a mistake-less show is simply unrealistic, especially when we are talking about someone's voice, which is far less predictable than a guitar or a keyboard, for example.
-
However, if you think a musician should only have to give us 90-95% on a nightly basis, then that's what you like, and don't assume we should all have look up to that same standard because people can't take criticism of their favorite musical artists.
I never said anything about criticism - if you don't like his performances that's totally your call and I never said there was anything wrong with that. What I was disagreeing with was you saying what he should and shouldn't do. You're welcome to dislike his performances (and I can understand why you would) but DT only writing simple easy vocal lines in a specific range is a ridiculous idea.
I would also point out that he hasn't actually struggled much with the high notes, or the parts where he needs to belt things out. Last night he actually sang those mostly really well (though with basically no annunciation). It was in the quiet bits that his pitching was inconsistent. So how exactly would they write parts differently in the studio?
-
Huh? That doesn't make any sense. A musician who makes a mistake live wasn't giving 100 percent? Come on. Mistakes happen live. Even the best musicians in the world mess up sometimes, and expecting a mistake-less show is simply unrealistic, especially when we are talking about someone's voice, which is far less predictable than a guitar or a keyboard, for example.
Again, we're not talking about JR who might make a mistake once in a blue moon. We're talking about JLB who has missed the same notes night after night in the past. There is a clear difference between the two. Maybe he should readjust the melodies live so he doesn't strain his voice. I've listened to hundreds of bootlegs and can tell you that it doesn't sound pretty when he pushes his voice where it can't go.
However, if you think a musician should only have to give us 90-95% on a nightly basis, then that's what you like, and don't assume we should all have look up to that same standard because people can't take criticism of their favorite musical artists.
I never said anything about criticism - if you don't like his performances that's totally your call and I never said there was anything wrong with that. What I was disagreeing with was you saying what he should and shouldn't do. You're welcome to dislike his performances (and I can understand why you would) but DT only writing simple easy vocal lines in a specific range is a ridiculous idea.
I would also point out that he hasn't actually struggled much with the high notes, or the parts where he needs to belt things out. Last night he actually sang those mostly really well (though with basically no annunciation). It was in the quiet bits that his pitching was inconsistent. So how exactly would they write parts differently in the studio?
Nobody said DT has to write simple vocal lines. Just because they aren't difficult doesn't mean the alternative is easy. There's a whole spectrum between difficult and easy.
I know the first two nights his voice was wavering in the quiet parts. I have listened to most of the tracks from both nights. If the quiet bits are giving him a hard time, then maybe it's something with his voice, something that he needs to work on. Or maybe it's just the opening nights of the show and he needs to adjust a bit better.
-
Or maybe the fact that they had to use the in house PA rather than their own gave some monitoring issues for the quiet parts? :yarr
-
Studio albums are the most important thing. That's a band's legacy, what they are remembered for. Hopefully DT would still continue to make studio albums even if they ever decide to stop touring.
-
Guys, it's not like LaBrie isn't going to warm up during the tour, he just needs a few more shows, the beginning of the tour is always tough on him. Mark my words, we're gonna tune in two weeks from now and be blown away.
-
Well, I thought JLB was great on the 18th. A few enunciation issues where I couldn't hear what the hell he was saying and a few mistakes (end of Walking Shadow and simplifying melody in Act of Faythe, but both were handled well), but pretty much a great performance otherwise. He also pulled off the high note in TRTR, which is really impressive (though would've liked to see him do the screams in TWS as well as the one at the end of MLF, but I didn't mind that too much, he does have to keep his voice intact).
-
Honestly I could care less if Labrie can hit the notes in a live setting. I would much rather him push himself on the studio recordings and keep it safe during the live shows. A live show is one night thing for most people while the studio albums live on forever for everybody.
-
Guys, it's not like LaBrie isn't going to warm up during the tour, he just needs a few more shows, the beginning of the tour is always tough on him. Mark my words, we're gonna tune in two weeks from now and be blown away.
That's sort of what I was thinking. Maybe he needs a bit more time to acclimate to the new material. It took quite a few shows before Space Dye Vest sounded really good during the last tour.
-
This has just been put up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGUZwXIr3IM
It's only audio but I think you can imagine the visual. I have a few more if you think the quality is good enough.
-
Here's a question (it might belong to another thread, but I think it might contain spoilers of the live show, so I decided to place it here).
For some time I've thought it was weird that trumpets play when Nafaryus & co. arrive at Ravenskill in "A Savior In The Square". Then, I reasoned that they are a symbolic representation in the album, and that maybe no one plays trumpets in the 'real' event. But, I just watched the live video of the song, and the screens clearly show trumpets - i.e.: other people (presumably Imperial Musicians) play music besides Gabriel.
An easy solution would be that there are other musicians in the Empire - it's just that Gabriel is the only one Arhys (and Ravenskill) knows, and that's why his obsession is such a major part of the plot. But, then again, doesn't Nafaryus decide to visit Ravenskill partly* to meet this 'Chosen One'? Doesn't the plot imply that Gabriel is the first musician Faythe ever meets (after years of listening to her MP3s)?
Thoughts? Maybe I'm missing something, or overthinking :P
*I know the most important reason of his visit is because he has learned of an uprising, but still.
-
I don't think you should take the screen that seriously. I guess the person responsible for it just found it fitting, and the band wasn't diligent enough to realize.
-
I hadn't thought about that, and I'd already seen the video for that particular song. I guess you could also take the video show as symbolically as the music.
Or maybe it's perfectly fine as a special case for Nafaryus' party to play the trumpets to signal his arrival because it's pre-written (by the NOMACS?). Keeping in mind that the purpose of the NOMACS is to crap out shitty music, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch that some type of music is acceptable in some contexts by the king's order. It may be related to his secret past of loving music too.
Maybe what makes Gabriel special is not only the ability to play an instrument nobody has seen before proficiently, and sing well, but also a unique ability to compose music, which is an art that has been lost to the NOMACS for a long time. The leaders may believe that playing and hearing music that isn't pre-approved and written by the NOMACS might stir up too much inspiration and rebellion in the people?
I don't know. I say just roll with it. :lol
-
I hadn't thought about that, and I'd already seen the video for that particular song. I guess you could also take the video show as symbolically as the music.
Or maybe it's perfectly fine as a special case for Nafaryus' party to play the trumpets to signal his arrival because it's pre-written (by the NOMACS?). Keeping in mind that the purpose of the NOMACS is to crap out shitty music, so I don't think it's too much of a stretch that some type of music is acceptable in some contexts by the king's order. It may be related to his secret past of loving music too.
Maybe what makes Gabriel special is not only the ability to play an instrument nobody has seen before proficiently, and sing well, but also a unique ability to compose music, which is an art that has been lost to the NOMACS for a long time. The leaders may believe that playing and hearing music that isn't pre-approved and written by the NOMACS might stir up too much inspiration and rebellion in the people?
I don't know. I say just roll with it. :lol
I like your analysis, makes sense to me :)
Moving on: I saw a clip of "Dystopian Overture". Holy crap, they played the sword-fight theme (you know, the one which showcases every instrument, even the orchestra) as if it was a piece of cake. That moment must have brought up a smile on everyone in the show. :P
-
The videos are definitely meant symbolically. For example, the weird Xander/raven hybrid appears in A Tempting Offer, and symbolises him being lifted to a better life in the empire. It was still pretty bizarre, but kinda made sense in context.
-
The videos are definitely meant symbolically. For example, the weird Xander/raven hybrid appears in A Tempting Offer, and symbolises him being lifted to a better life in the empire. It was still pretty bizarre, but kinda made sense in context.
Thanks! I wanted to know what song that part of the video would go in.
-
What an amazing two nights @ Palladium. Even though they playing the same set (no surprise there) they were very different shows.
We were sat in row B Stalls (centre stage) on the first night You could see how tense the band were and they sounded tight! JP seemed very nervous (even though he had this wife and daugther in the royal box for extra support).
The band were set up back from the stage edge presumably to avoid the front section of stage that was put over the orchestra pit! They were so nervous that they wouldn't stand on it all night! The sound was a bit off at the beginning but improved. JLB vocals were down in the mix but this may have been due to my seat postion. Brilliant opener to the tour.
The second night I was front row of the dress circle. It was actually better here for the sound and visuals, and still had a very close view of the band. They were really relaxed and the audience were much more animated. JLB even said a couple of words. A few mistakes were made (the obvious one being JRs' keyboards going crazy at one point and putting out some strange sound) but overall it was better than the first night.
Stayed behind afterwards and hung around the rear exit to catch the band but there was no show. The small crowd were entertained by the roadcrew loading the truck and amused when for some reason they had to empty the truck half way through - guess they had a boxes in the wrong order for unloading next gig. They might get it right by the end of the tour!!
This was my 3rd two-nighter with DT in London - Astoria (6DOIT), Hammersmith Apollo (Octavarium) and now Palladium (TA). All great in their own ways - Amazing memories!
Thank you DT.
-
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
And what about the times when he forces himself on places where the album version is not forcing? He does this a lot too and its even worse than the other thing, because he is forcing just for the sake of it. I'm sure that if you've seen them live or seen their dvds can come up with a couple dozen times he does what i'm talking about.
-
You're right. Some people give JLB too much slack and it's probably because we all do love him as a singer. However, it's absent-minded not to point out his mistakes and act like he is infallible. He's still one of my favorite singers, and for a 53 year old he kicks ass vocally, but he should stop pushing his voice in the studio if he won't able to handle it live. Just my opinion.
And what about the times when he forces himself on places where the album version is not forcing? He does this a lot too and its even worse than the other thing, because he is forcing just for the sake of it. I'm sure that if you've seen them live or seen their dvds can come up with a couple dozen times he does what i'm talking about.
I've seen him in a live setting a couple of dozen times, plus I've literally listened to hundreds of bootlegs so it's not that hard to pick out those moments. :biggrin: He should stay within his comfort zone because not only does it sound bad, but I'm sure it's not doing his voice any favors.
-
This is another example, in my opinion, of people being a little too hard on Dream Theater for problems that pretty much all other bands have. There aren't a lot of older vocalists out there who still kill it every night. James Hetfield has struggled for years, Geddy Lee stopped singing some songs entirely, and even the great Bruce Dickinson doesn't nail every note anymore. It's just the reality of being a 50+ year-old singer. Live shows are more about the atmosphere anyway. Maybe the band could compensate by down-tuning some of their songs? I dunno. All things considered, I still think James sounds pretty good.
-
Bruce Dickinson is about as consistent as JLB, so that's a good comparison. :tup
-
I don't think you should take the screen that seriously. I guess the person responsible for it just found it fitting, and the band wasn't diligent enough to realize.
I didnt catch the trumpets being out of place thing. But now that i think about it, it is a pretty big mistake with regards to the storyline. From the way Faythe and everone else acts, there is no music besides the nomacs and her secret digital player right? Also.... Arent the trumpets on the album too? If so.... Then it had to be known by JP yeah?
-
I don't think you should take the screen that seriously. I guess the person responsible for it just found it fitting, and the band wasn't diligent enough to realize.
I didnt catch the trumpets being out of place thing. But now that i think about it, it is a pretty big mistake with regards to the storyline. From the way Faythe and everone else acts, there is no music besides the nomacs and her secret digital player right? Also.... Arent the trumpets on the album too? If so.... Then it had to be known by JP yeah?
Unless our underlying assumption/knowledge of the story is wrong. A possibility, of course.
-
This is another example, in my opinion, of people being a little too hard on Dream Theater for problems that pretty much all other bands have. There aren't a lot of older vocalists out there who still kill it every night. James Hetfield has struggled for years, Geddy Lee stopped singing some songs entirely, and even the great Bruce Dickinson doesn't nail every note anymore. It's just the reality of being a 50+ year-old singer. Live shows are more about the atmosphere anyway. Maybe the band could compensate by down-tuning some of their songs? I dunno. All things considered, I still think James sounds pretty good.
The list of singers who can do what JLB does every night on that schedule with that level of consistency is a short list indeed. I think people are hard on him because he's managed to set such a high bar for himself in recent times, and it's easy to forget that he's 50+ now and still singing a lot of these songs from when he was in his 20s.
-
This is another example, in my opinion, of people being a little too hard on Dream Theater for problems that pretty much all other bands have. There aren't a lot of older vocalists out there who still kill it every night. James Hetfield has struggled for years, Geddy Lee stopped singing some songs entirely, and even the great Bruce Dickinson doesn't nail every note anymore. It's just the reality of being a 50+ year-old singer. Live shows are more about the atmosphere anyway. Maybe the band could compensate by down-tuning some of their songs? I dunno. All things considered, I still think James sounds pretty good.
Nobody is being too hard on anybody.
-
I don't think you should take the screen that seriously. I guess the person responsible for it just found it fitting, and the band wasn't diligent enough to realize.
Also.... Arent the trumpets on the album too? If so.... Then it had to be known by JP yeah?
The music on the album is very obviously symbolic - if it wasn't, then why would every character be SINGING every line of dialogue?
As I said before, the vids are seemed pretty clearly intended symbolically to me, though perhaps a bit less obviously so. Arguably a bit of an oversight there.
-
When and how did a thread about a great DT show turn into a thread about JLB-bashing?? Ah, I just love DTF...
-
When and how did a thread about a great DT show turn into a thread about JLB-bashing?? Ah, I just love DTF...
This :lol
-
Just got back last night from my long weekend to London. The gig on the 18th was my first DT gig and it didn't disappoint. So great to see the guys doing their thing live.
It is a little intimidating going to a gig on your own, but a big shout out to the DTF-ers I met at the Argyll Arms (Billzo et al), albeit too briefly. It was nice to chat to like-minded strangers from the internet. :biggrin: Seriously, though, everyone I met was very cool indeed.
In the venue, I sat beside a really nice 'northern' couple who had been following the band for over 20 years. They had bought tickets for the Friday night as well as the Meet and Greet. The girl was moved to tears at several times during the show, and had to be consoled by her other half. His contribution was to shout out "James LaBrie - F***ing awesome!!" in the break between a couple of the songs. Pretty funny.
On the other side was a cool guy called Jeff who was also on his own, as his mate had to travel with work at late notice. He said he'd only listened to the album a couple of times, and said he was definitely not into concept albums, or LOTR or anything like that, but he was very complimentary.
One thing that struck me was the variety of the crowd - there was a real mix of young and old, guys and girls, metalheads and just normal folks.
The lack of an encore didn't surprise me, as I wasn't expecting one, but there was a *lot* of cheering at the end which kinda fuelled a bit of hope that they might re-appear even to say a few words, but it wasn't to be. Didn't bother me, but the booing from a few eejits was disappointing.
All in all, a fantastic experience, and one that I'll remember for a long time. One other enduring memory is the image of a couple of folks a few rows in front sitting eating ice cream during 2285 Entr'acte. There's just something so hilariously anti "rock and roll" about that, but secretly I'm probably just jealous that I didn't have one! :lol
-
One other enduring memory is the image of a couple of folks a few rows in front sitting eating ice cream during 2285 Entr'acte. There's just something so hilariously anti "rock and roll" about that, but secretly I'm probably just jealous that I didn't have one! :lol
:lol My mate was sat next to me eating ice cream for that song too... I was sitting there thinking "This is an extremely bizarre situation...".
It was great to meet you mate! :tup
-
^^ :lol I'm taking a musician friend with me who's DT interest is basically exstint these days but he thought the concept for this sounded intriguing so we'll see if he can stick through 2 hours of new music.
I said to him that it would be a good idea to listen to atleast some songs given that's the only thing they play on this tour and I also gave him some song suggestions and his response:
"Yea, sure"
Not the most convincing answere but I warned him atleast. :lol
-
^^ :lol I'm taking a musician friend with me who's DT interest is basically exstint these days but he thought the concept for this sounded intriguing so we'll see if he can stick through 2 hours of new music.
I said to him that it would be a good idea to listen to atleast some songs given that's the only thing they play on this tour and I also gave him some song suggestions and his response:
"Yea, sure"
Not the most convincing answere but I warned him atleast. :lol
Does he like ice cream?? :lol
TBH the bloke beside me seemed to be more of a casual fan, and maybe he wasn't into the concept or familiar with the songs, but he was at least very complimentary on the musicianship on display. I think there are a fair number of folks out there that will go to the shows, but won't be as obsessed about the whole thing as we are on here.. :biggrin:
-
This is another example, in my opinion, of people being a little too hard on Dream Theater for problems that pretty much all other bands have. There aren't a lot of older vocalists out there who still kill it every night. James Hetfield has struggled for years, Geddy Lee stopped singing some songs entirely, and even the great Bruce Dickinson doesn't nail every note anymore. It's just the reality of being a 50+ year-old singer. Live shows are more about the atmosphere anyway. Maybe the band could compensate by down-tuning some of their songs? I dunno. All things considered, I still think James sounds pretty good.
Nobody is being too hard on anybody.
I would respectfully disagree. Some of your posts the last few pages came across as a little harsh. Perhaps I misunderstood, but that's the way I interpreted it. Judging by the amount of push back you got from other people, I don't feel like I'm alone in thinking that. :lol
-
The music on the album is very obviously symbolic - if it wasn't, then why would every character be SINGING every line of dialogue?
As I said before, the vids are seemed pretty clearly intended symbolically to me, though perhaps a bit less obviously so. Arguably a bit of an oversight there.
I agree with the symbolism aspect. With regards to my comment, I think we just love to Monday morning quarterback things here at DTF :lol With that realization in mind.... I'd say it would have been cool using a bizarre NOMAC type fanfare ;D But hey... bottom line is my opinion counts for zilch. JP has more talent in one of his finger nails than I have in my whole body :lol
-
The music on the album is very obviously symbolic - if it wasn't, then why would every character be SINGING every line of dialogue?
As I said before, the vids are seemed pretty clearly intended symbolically to me, though perhaps a bit less obviously so. Arguably a bit of an oversight there.
Yeah, I thought the same thing about the album - the trumpets don't seem out of place to me. I had my doubt about the video, though.
I'd say it would have been cool using a bizarre NOMAC type fanfare ;D
I agree. That would have been a very creative idea!
-
This is another example, in my opinion, of people being a little too hard on Dream Theater for problems that pretty much all other bands have. There aren't a lot of older vocalists out there who still kill it every night. James Hetfield has struggled for years, Geddy Lee stopped singing some songs entirely, and even the great Bruce Dickinson doesn't nail every note anymore. It's just the reality of being a 50+ year-old singer. Live shows are more about the atmosphere anyway. Maybe the band could compensate by down-tuning some of their songs? I dunno. All things considered, I still think James sounds pretty good.
Nobody is being too hard on anybody.
I would respectfully disagree. Some of your posts the last few pages came across as a little harsh. Perhaps I misunderstood, but that's the way I interpreted it. Judging by the amount of push back you got from other people, I don't feel like I'm alone in thinking that. :lol
I wasn't attempting to be harsh. I was being realistic. It has nothing to do with James' age since he's had these pitch problems for years now. Like I said earlier, I think James is a great singer and just because he can't hit the notes he was able to hit in the early 90s doesn't make him a bad singer. I just don't think it sounds good when he attempts to sing things his voice can't handle anymore. He tries to improvise with those notes sometimes and it doesn't sound good.
-
You can see the dodgy photoshopped Faythe-in-bed that a few of us have mentioned in this video at 1:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV0d5UwJwq8
It's still making me laugh out loud. :lol
-
You can see the dodgy photoshopped Faythe-in-bed that a few of us have mentioned in this video at 1:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV0d5UwJwq8
It's still making me laugh out loud. :lol
YES! :lol
The funniest thing was that it kept reappearing at different angles. Such art.
-
I remember you pointing out that she has her hood on, which makes it even better.
-
You can see the dodgy photoshopped Faythe-in-bed that a few of us have mentioned in this video at 1:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV0d5UwJwq8
It's still making me laugh out loud. :lol
YES! :lol
The funniest thing was that it kept reappearing at different angles. Such art.
It honestly doesn't look that bad at all from the above view (minus the hood of course :lol ), but I imagine it looked much worse from the different angles you're suggesting.
-
You can see the dodgy photoshopped Faythe-in-bed that a few of us have mentioned in this video at 1:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV0d5UwJwq8
It's still making me laugh out loud. :lol
YES! :lol
The funniest thing was that it kept reappearing at different angles. Such art.
It honestly doesn't look that bad at all from the above view (minus the hood of course :lol ), but I imagine it looked much worse from the different angles you're suggesting.
It's kinda hard to explain. It doesn't look that bad - it's pretty similar to a lot of the other stuff. But the way it's the same cardboard cutout of Faythe, with the hood and all, just put into a bed in a really cheesy way, and the swirling motion and then the same thing from different angles - I just couldn't take it seriously. Like Simon, I'm still laughing about it now :lol
-
Yeah, it's not the way it's been cut in there, it's the fact they used the same album sleeve image of Faythe and just stuck her in a bed, hood and all.
-
I remember you pointing out that she has her hood on, which makes it even better.
Haha!! So glad you mentioned this. I was sat all the way across the hall alone sniggering at that so bad and forgot to mention it to you guys afterwards! That was hilarious!
-
The guy next to me wondered why I was laughing.
I forgot to mention there were two people in front of me who left at the interval. Either they hated it or thought that was the end of the gig...
-
I remember you pointing out that she has her hood on, which makes it even better.
Haha!! So glad you mentioned this. I was sat all the way across the hall alone sniggering at that so bad and forgot to mention it to you guys afterwards! That was hilarious!
The guy next to me wondered why I was laughing.
I find it immensely pleasing that the three of us were chuckling about this in our individual seats while everyone around us was like "what's so funny?".
-
Yes, that footage made me smile as well.
To my surprise, some of the hilarious stuff shown in the trailer wasn't nearly as awkwards in the actual show. In the trailer, Xander on the raven makes me crack up, but with that red filter over it and in the (symbolic) context of the actual song (not Our New World), it worked.
-
I don't remember seeing that image of Faythe in the bed, but I couldn't really see the main screens too well from my seat, so I wasn't paying too much attention to them anyway. Seems like there's been a bit of Reduce Reuse Recycle going on..
What was kind of annoying was the L-shaped screen at the front left of the stage (looked like a tetris piece), which was partially blocking my view.
-
They had those on either side, plus the screen on the drum riser. From a little further back it was great having those as it made the visuals very immersive. I can imagine if you were right behind one, though, that'd be pretty annoying.
-
This was the view from my seat. Couldn't really see Jordan at all behind the Tetris screen ;)
https://imgur.com/a/92F56 (https://imgur.com/a/92F56)
Just unlucky I suppose. From other people's photos further back, the whole stage looked very cool.
-
https://rockgig.blogspot.com/2016/02/dream-theater-london-palladium-19-02-16.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
-
Thanks for posting! Those were some great pictures.
-
Great photos, Charles!
-
https://rockgig.blogspot.com/2016/02/dream-theater-london-palladium-19-02-16.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Great review and pics. Top marks to the guy with the Ravenskill flag!!
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lH16TN3DO8M/Vs30KZ9BqdI/AAAAAAAAGys/kw2j6q3EOEk/s640/DSC04392.JPG)
-
Just got back last night from my long weekend to London. The gig on the 18th was my first DT gig and it didn't disappoint. So great to see the guys doing their thing live.
It is a little intimidating going to a gig on your own, but a big shout out to the DTF-ers I met at the Argyll Arms (Billzo et al), albeit too briefly. It was nice to chat to like-minded strangers from the internet. :biggrin: Seriously, though, everyone I met was very cool indeed.
In the venue, I sat beside a really nice 'northern' couple who had been following the band for over 20 years. They had bought tickets for the Friday night as well as the Meet and Greet. The girl was moved to tears at several times during the show, and had to be consoled by her other half. His contribution was to shout out "James LaBrie - F***ing awesome!!" in the break between a couple of the songs. Pretty funny.
On the other side was a cool guy called Jeff who was also on his own, as his mate had to travel with work at late notice. He said he'd only listened to the album a couple of times, and said he was definitely not into concept albums, or LOTR or anything like that, but he was very complimentary.
One thing that struck me was the variety of the crowd - there was a real mix of young and old, guys and girls, metalheads and just normal folks.
The lack of an encore didn't surprise me, as I wasn't expecting one, but there was a *lot* of cheering at the end which kinda fuelled a bit of hope that they might re-appear even to say a few words, but it wasn't to be. Didn't bother me, but the booing from a few eejits was disappointing.
All in all, a fantastic experience, and one that I'll remember for a long time. One other enduring memory is the image of a couple of folks a few rows in front sitting eating ice cream during 2285 Entr'acte. There's just something so hilariously anti "rock and roll" about that, but secretly I'm probably just jealous that I didn't have one! :lol
!!!!!!!!...how old are you?!!!!!!
-
!!!!!!!!...how old are you?!!!!!!
It's ok - I did all my chores that week, so Mum said I could go.
-
I think we have to face it... Wacken 2015 was not the "odd one out".
Sorry but totally disagree with that sentiment. Yes he may be a little more inconsistent as his age shows, but he still has a lot of great nights, and his great nights are really spot on. No need to go to either extreme about that, a Prog Metal singer is allowed to make mistakes here and there. You're looking on 2 tour debut shows and one badly recorded show where he claimed he was sick too, but then so many shows from 2009-2015 were amazing if you followed these tours closely and unfortunately people ignore that when they bring up Wacken. Even 2007-2008 wasn't that bad most of the time.
-
!!!!!!!!...how old are you?!!!!!!
It's ok - I did all my chores that week, so Mum said I could go.
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.
-
Just got back last night from my long weekend to London. The gig on the 18th was my first DT gig and it didn't disappoint. So great to see the guys doing their thing live.
It is a little intimidating going to a gig on your own, but a big shout out to the DTF-ers I met at the Argyll Arms (Billzo et al), albeit too briefly. It was nice to chat to like-minded strangers from the internet. :biggrin: Seriously, though, everyone I met was very cool indeed.
In the venue, I sat beside a really nice 'northern' couple who had been following the band for over 20 years. They had bought tickets for the Friday night as well as the Meet and Greet. The girl was moved to tears at several times during the show, and had to be consoled by her other half. His contribution was to shout out "James LaBrie - F***ing awesome!!" in the break between a couple of the songs. Pretty funny.
On the other side was a cool guy called Jeff who was also on his own, as his mate had to travel with work at late notice. He said he'd only listened to the album a couple of times, and said he was definitely not into concept albums, or LOTR or anything like that, but he was very complimentary.
One thing that struck me was the variety of the crowd - there was a real mix of young and old, guys and girls, metalheads and just normal folks.
The lack of an encore didn't surprise me, as I wasn't expecting one, but there was a *lot* of cheering at the end which kinda fuelled a bit of hope that they might re-appear even to say a few words, but it wasn't to be. Didn't bother me, but the booing from a few eejits was disappointing.
All in all, a fantastic experience, and one that I'll remember for a long time. One other enduring memory is the image of a couple of folks a few rows in front sitting eating ice cream during 2285 Entr'acte. There's just something so hilariously anti "rock and roll" about that, but secretly I'm probably just jealous that I didn't have one! :lol
!!!!!!!!...how old are you?!!!!!!
Concerts are a very social experience, even if you're "old enough" it both kinda sucks and might be intimidating to attend one alone. Kinda like going to the movies by yourself, but even more extreme.
-
I really do not see the problem of going alone. I mostly go with other people, but I am there to enjoy the music in the first place. And given most of my friends have a completely different taste in music, I won't even bother asking most of them to a show of 70+ euro's. I frequently see people that are alone at concerts and do not think that is weird at all, they are fans going to the concert of their favourite artist.
Festivals and dance parties are a different matter to me. Those I consider to be more social (but still, my roommate goes to dance events by himself because he is a massive fan of certain DJ's, to each his own). Cinema is usually easy enough to find another person who would like to join since it is fairly cheap and often pretty nearby (the same film is showed in most theaters across the world at the same time).
-
Man, if I had a nickel for every time I went alone to a show, not to mention traveled abroad to a show. I mean, it's also great to get together with ten crazy motherfuckers and go to a concert, but there are those other concerts that there's no way you're gonna miss just because none of your friends are into it.
-
.., but there are those other concerts that there's no way you're gonna miss just because none of your friends are into it.
^ This was exactly my situation.
-
Prefer to go with friends... have no problem going alone
-
I usually have to go alone, because my friends and collegues aren't into prog/metal at all. When I was young it felt odd going to concerts or cinema alone, but now I'm almost JPs age and I actually enjoy going alone. It's nice to meet new people and talk to other fans. I never feel alone amongst DT fans.
-
It's also easier to get a better seat at a concert if you're alone. :metal
-
Nowadays, I mostly go to shows alone, but there have been (and are) some shows I went to in company. The ones I remember the most:
- Soda Stereo (Nov. 2007 at River Plate, Buenos Aires): with my friend Martín. Out of the two of us, I was the big fan, but he also liked them a bit. Neither of us lived in Buenos Aires, and we were young (I was still 17) so our parents demanded we went together or there would be no show.
- Dream Theater (Mar. 2008 at Luna Park, Buenos Aires): I took Victoria, a friend I had recently made, to the show - again, my parents preferred I didn't go alone. She was a complete stranger to the band, so I lent her some CDs. From the show, I remember she liked "Surrounded" because JP played the "Mother" solo in the middle (and she liked Pink Floyd).
- Les Luthiers (Jan. 2013 at Gran Rex, Buenos Aires): this is a group which my parents and uncles had already seen live (in the '80s), so my grandparents were already aware of. Anyway, the show was on my grandparents' 52th anniversary, and they knew I wanted to see the group, so they paid for my ticket and the 3 of us had a nice evening out.
- El Cuarteto De Nos (Jun. 2015 at Kahlo, Puerto Madryn): this is a great rock band from Uruguay, which I've been into for 2 years, and it was their first ever visit to my city. Julieta, a good friend of mine, was around town, so I bought her a ticket for her birthday (which was a few days before the show). She is the most musical of my friends, yet we had never been to a rock show together, so it was a nice time.
-
I took Victoria
And what did you say to her before the show? "You are going to see the best band in the world so...Open Your Eyes Victoria?" Were you learning all about your life by looking through her eyes? :rollin :facepalm:
-
I took Victoria
And what did you say to her before the show? "You are going to see the best band in the world so...Open Your Eyes Victoria?" Were you learning all about your life by looking through her eyes? :rollin :facepalm:
Ha!
One of the CDs I lent her was Scenes From A Memory, so I think I told her that she shared the name with the character. That was it - I don't think I joked around after that.
I'm usually really boring with that sort of stuff - I used to do it a lot, though. A few years ago, while teaching Math to 13 year olds, I would ask a question to (let's say) Cecilia, and if (let's say) Bruno would answer for her, I'd say to Bruno "That's correct, Cecilia. Well done!", and joke around that bit for a while. The kids laughed at that sort of stuff, and none felt offended. Or, maybe there were two Brunos or two Cecilias in the class, so sometimes I'd pretend I had them mixed up or something - although that sort of joke I wouldn't do anymore (so predictable).
-
Well shit.. this truly is one of greatest undertakings for halfassment I have ever seen, the screens and what's playing on them were supposed to be the big surprise of this tour, am I the only one who was under the impression that this tour was gonna be a big production? I initially thought it was going to be the presentation of the story in the some form that is mind blowing enough to understand why they decided to dedicate the entire setlist to the Astonishing and nothing else.
The exact character pictures from the TA website ARE THE ONLY VERSION of these characters that they use! Along with the hilarious development of the pictures; having them blink like from the trailer.. what was the problem? Money? I feel like this is to cheap even for DT tbh! And how come NO ONE said anything in rehearsals about how stupid everything that plays on the screens looks? I'm genuinely baffled, but not upset per se cause I cannot help but see the humor in this, it just that I cannot see myself as immersed and emotionally engaged in the story live as I did listening to the album, I'll definitely be giggling heh, I just hope that doesn't ruin my DT concert experience.
-
Well shit.. this truly is one of greatest undertakings for halfassment I have ever seen, the screens and what's playing on them were supposed to be the big surprise of this tour, am I the only one who was under the impression that this tour was gonna be a big production? I initially thought it was going to be the presentation of the story in the some form that is mind blowing enough to understand why they decided to dedicate the entire setlist to the Astonishing and nothing else.
The exact character pictures from the TA website ARE THE ONLY VERSION of these characters that they use! Along with the hilarious development of the pictures; having them blink like from the trailer.. what was the problem? Money? I feel like this is to cheap even for DT tbh! And how come NO ONE said anything in rehearsals about how stupid everything that plays on the screens looks? I'm genuinely baffled, but not upset per se cause I cannot help but see the humor in this, it just that I cannot see myself as immersed and emotionally engaged in the story live as I did listening to the album, I'll definitely be giggling heh, I just hope that doesn't ruin my DT concert experience.
They have actors in shadow and sillhouette acting out motions alongside the pictures of them in a number of places as well.
And it depends what you were expecting. If you were expecting a full 2.5-hour CGI movie then I can see why you'd be disappointed. Or if you were expecting a visual show on a par with the world's biggest bands like Muse then again I get it. But DT aren't that big and can't afford that sort of thing. This is still by a long way the biggest show they've ever done, which is what they'd promised.
-
So you think this is bigger than what they had on the ADToE tour? Cause I remember the projections on the cubes were all so much more tastefully done, from Bridges to Outcry to LNF to BAI and even for older songs.
-
It's definitely a lot bigger and more immersive. There's a lot more going on on the screens and with the lights.
"Tasteful" is a matter of preference. You may well not like the stuff as much, I don't know. But this is undoubtedly a larger production.
-
I've not seen the production in person, but I've loved what I've seen in youtube. I always wanted DT to look like this on stage.
-
I personally loved the large red DT banners at the back of the stage. Maybe not a very big thing, but a lovely stylisch touch. It all adds to the experience.
-
Easily the best looking thing they've done in my opinion, I thought the cubes looked naff on the ADTOE tour. I would go along with the criticism that they did not really help with the story but I thought it all looked pretty awesome with the screens and lights.
-
Well shit.. this truly is one of greatest undertakings for halfassment I have ever seen, the screens and what's playing on them were supposed to be the big surprise of this tour, am I the only one who was under the impression that this tour was gonna be a big production? I initially thought it was going to be the presentation of the story in the some form that is mind blowing enough to understand why they decided to dedicate the entire setlist to the Astonishing and nothing else.
The exact character pictures from the TA website ARE THE ONLY VERSION of these characters that they use! Along with the hilarious development of the pictures; having them blink like from the trailer.. what was the problem? Money? I feel like this is to cheap even for DT tbh! And how come NO ONE said anything in rehearsals about how stupid everything that plays on the screens looks? I'm genuinely baffled, but not upset per se cause I cannot help but see the humor in this, it just that I cannot see myself as immersed and emotionally engaged in the story live as I did listening to the album, I'll definitely be giggling heh, I just hope that doesn't ruin my DT concert experience.
This has been my feeling so far as well. This tour was hyped up so much. It's been labeled as a rock opera, great emphasis was placed on the venue selection, we were told it was going to be something really special, etc... I'm not saying it isn't good, but as far as I can tell, this is just a Dream Theater concert. There's really nothing being done on this tour that makes it different than any other tour (outside of only playing one album).
-
For anyone interested...
I flew to London to catc both shows the Palladium, and afterwards when I got back home I was feeling a bit sad that it would probably be another 2 or 3 years before I'd get to see DT live again. And so I decided to fly to France and catch yet another show!
Anyways, at the show in Paris I decided to buy a programme, something I'd not done at the London shows. (Or at any concert ever come to think of it)
The middle pages contain photos of DT mid performance on the tour, and also to my delight the photo taken from the stage of the band with the crowd behind them from the very end of the opening night in London!
Lo and behold who's ugly mug did I spot in the second row right between MM and JM? That's right, yours truly ;D
Needless to say I was delighted to see myself immortalized in a piece of DT merchandise!
The programmes is also a nice piece of work with gorgeous artwork and character bio's and a big map of GNEA, worth having imho.
I was wondering if they were actually selling programmes at the London shows? If so then that means the ones for sale at the later shows contain extra pages of performance pics does it not?
Anyways, if anyone is interested in (possibly) seeing themselves, the latest programmes have pics from the opening night of the tour.
-
For anyone interested...
I flew to London to catc both shows the Palladium, and afterwards when I got back home I was feeling a bit sad that it would probably be another 2 or 3 years before I'd get to see DT live again. And so I decided to fly to France and catch yet another show!
Anyways, at the show in Paris I decided to buy a programme, something I'd not done at the London shows. (Or at any concert ever come to think of it)
The middle pages contain photos of DT mid performance on the tour, and also to my delight the photo taken from the stage of the band with the crowd behind them from the very end of the opening night in London!
Lo and behold who's ugly mug did I spot in the second row right between MM and JM? That's right, yours truly ;D
Needless to say I was delighted to see myself immortalized in a piece of DT merchandise!
The programmes is also a nice piece of work with gorgeous artwork and character bio's and a big map of GNEA, worth having imho.
I was wondering if they were actually selling programmes at the London shows? If so then that means the ones for sale at the later shows contain extra pages of performance pics does it not?
Anyways, if anyone is interested in (possibly) seeing themselves, the latest programmes have pics from the opening night of the tour.
Awesome info. Thanks for sharing and glad you enjoyed the shows so much!
-
Cool. You must have spent a clean fortune!
Any chance of getting a scan of that photo from the first night? I remember it being taken. :tup
-
Cool that there are photos from the first night in the program... bought it in Stockholm so I should have the same photo....
-
I wonder if there´s a place to order the tourbook?
-
Awesome info. Thanks for sharing and glad you enjoyed the shows so much!
No probs! And also, I'd go again if I could afford it ;)
-------------
Cool. You must have spent a clean fortune!
Any chance of getting a scan of that photo from the first night? I remember it being taken. :tup
A painful amount indeed, had to take a dip and scoop from my savings for all that DT, but I regret nothing :coolio
I don't have a scanner (coz I spent all me money on DT gigs :laugh:) but I'll do my best to get a decent pic of it and upload it here soon.
-------------
Cool that there are photos from the first night in the program... bought it in Stockholm so I should have the same photo....
I'm curious to know if they print new copies with fresh photos as the tour goes on. I could be wrong but I'd almost swear there were programmes for sale at both London shows, but they could not have had any tour photos in them as the tour had only started!
-------------
I wonder if there´s a place to order the tourbook?
I wouldn't think so. The thing about programmes/tourbooks is that they are only ever available at the shows. Then again this particular one is mostly story and character bio's rather than just band pics so they would probably whole sell a lot if they made them available in the online merch store.