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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: BlackInk on October 05, 2015, 05:54:36 AM
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I thought there was a thread for this show but so I couldn't find it.
Anyways, season 2 of this very interesting show began last night. That's the word I'd use to describe how I felt about the first season, "interesting", and I think the season 2 premiere definetely kept that vibe. As well as a strong sense of discomfort, which the first season did really well. Good episode, and I'm excited for the rest of the season.
Anyone else see the episode? Anyone else following this show?
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I saw the first season and it was pretty good, but I didn't love it. I agree that it was "interesting", but I didn't find it particularly engaging and I think a large part of that is that it didn't really make me care about any of the characters.
I'll probably check out season 2 for now, though I don't think it's started in the UK yet.
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Are they marketing this as having anything to do with LOST ?
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I don't think so. I have never heard them mentioned together in any way.
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I'm sure a few people from LOST are working on it. Not least Damon Lindelof.
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Oh I thought you meant story wise, like that they're connected.
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I watched it. I like the concept of kind of re-booting the show without really re-booting it.
I definitely think Kevin was seeing someone when he looked in at the couch....it'll be neat to watch him lose his mind :lol I'm curious as to what John's 'job' is....when his wife said are you working tonight at the BBQ? Does he investigate all the newcomers? And I thought the intro. was kind of odd but yet I liked it.
As far as I'm concerned unless they just crap the bed with the story I'll watch the show for as long as it's on.
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Yeah it seems like John and his buddies are like an unofficial police force in the town. When they burned the guy's house down I was thinking "how can they possibly believe that they'll get away with this?", I mean, they even intentionally leave a witness! But it seems like they're allowed to do pretty much whatever they want. Bringing "justice" to the people.
Weird things are going on in that town, that much is certain at least.
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I absolutely loved the first season; couldn't get enough of it. I'm really excited about S2 but am skeptical of all the big changes everyone keeps talking about on the media sites. I have faith in them after how compelling and interesting S1 was, but any show that changes a format that worked so damn well (in my eyes) is gonna make me iffy. But I'm excited nonetheless. I like the show enough that I'll catch it, but I do want to binge a few episodes. I don't think I could hold out an entire season, though that'd be ideal for me. But I'll probably wait a couple more episodes to start it up.
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I binge watched season 1 about a month ago when I started seeing the ads for season 2. I had really wanted to watch the show last year when it aired since I am a big LOST fan, but got caught up and took a year for me to actually watch it. I really enjoyed so I plan on watching season 2, but I will probably play catch up on the DVR.
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The new episode was a big WTF for me. I like the fact they are starting with a new storyline including some characters from the first season and now I'm eagerly awaiting for them to explain some more what that town is.
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I've cautiously skimmed through some of the comments on here to try to avoid spoilers from the first episode until I catch it. Would've already done so if I wasn't in the middle of my re-watch through the first season. On episode nine now.
I absolutely loved the first season- definitely my favorite show currently on TV. I'm especially fond of the Matt Jamison and Nora Durst episodes, the former being one of my single favorite episodes from any show. And can I just say- Max Richter's work on the music is fantastic! Damon Lindelof has (for me at least) done a great job of transposing many of the same elements that made Lost such a fun show to follow onto The Leftovers.
Anyways, with that fanboyism out of the way- I'm really interested to see how they do the new setting and how natural it will feel to have so many of the same characters relocating there.
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Wow so...um...what the fuck? Lots to think about and say.
This series either got Lindelof'd (Or Lost'd) really early, or they've got a shitload of explaining to do. There is a point when intrigue and mystery turns into frustration and annoyance. I didn't get to that point in this episode, but it was pretty damn close. There's only so many balls you can throw out of nowhere and this episode just did not stop throwing them. Now, I really like the whole town set-up as a whole and the way that it's the polar opposite of the first season in which everyone is wondering why they were forsaken and why the people that were taken were 'chosen', this town seemingly thinks that they were 'spared' and that the town of Miracle is just that; a miracle with all the inhabitants being some kind of holiness. Hence the psychotic father of the black family being some kind of judge (at least that's what I gathered), jury and (probably) executioner. That motherfucker smiles WAY too much, but the actor did a great job of portraying a very specific type of seemingly restrained, intelligent insanity. But no doubt, that guy is fucking batshit crazy (and I'm guessing most people in the town are that way...or something close to it, at the very least that whole family).
I'm not even going to start on the opening sequence...I've got a feeling that's never going to be explained if Lindelof keeps his track record...which is why I was skeptical to even watch this show in the first place. The man knows how to perfectly set up fantastical mysteries and then leave them way the fuck out in the abyss, never to be seen from again, let alone explained in the least. So...suffice it to say I am extremely skeptical going forward but I'll reserve my own judgement until things either really start to fall apart or begin to form again. I liked the episode overall, really...it's just that there were so many random things happening over and over that...shit, that's just a lot of small things that were somehow given this brief exposé of importance to explain without it seeming completely forced or having to play catch-up.
I'm excited to see the original family back, but the new family is really interesting as well; it'd just be nice if it held any water at all (HA!). My guess is that this town is the polar opposite of what all these people who seem to be so full of themselves think it is: I'm guessing the earthquakes, the random disappearance of the lake, is going to turn into a full on type of forsaken town full of one horrible thing after another happening to it and everyone in it which will set our 'main' family (I don't think this new family is going to stick, I'm thinking it was just a way to introduce us to this town and the insane shit happening in it; at least just for the season or this 'arc') on a course to escape or...combat whatever it is that's going to happen. All of the very ritualized things that go on, the extreme secrecy and exclusivity of the town, and especially the cult-ish aspect (the church scene especially, that repetition of lines was really eerie, and happened a couple other times in the episode) allude to something sinister, I think. Clearly something is afoot but whether that's explained at all, or if it's all just going to be random shit over and over is yet to be seen. I'm kinda worried, but still very much interested in seeing where this goes. At the same time I'm sadly taking this show now with a very restrained outlook instead of jumping in head first like I did the first season.
Oh, and fuck that opening (the actual opening, the song). I get it...it's completely the opposite of what the show is and I'm guessing even more so with this season, and the town especially. But it just sucks...the first one was perfect and while it was clearly ominous and epic, they seem to be trying to hard with this one to be...the opposite of what's happening, and that is abundantly clear. Eh...we shall see!
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I thought the episode was fine and a good set up, the new family is definitely interesting.
Here is my problem though, last season set up lots of questions and by changing sceneries does that mean all the mystery from last season is forgotten? If so then I just don't see the point in watching this show. Im not stopping just yet, but I just feel like this show may never go anywhere. While many people felt LOST was like that, I disagree, Lost actually got to the bottom of most if not all of the mysteries by the end, maybe this show does too, but I lose faith if we just continue to get another town and another set of mysteries and problems without any resolution from the previous town.
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I'm not even going to start on the opening sequence...I've got a feeling that's never going to be explained
I kind of liked that opening sequence. It gave off a random, brutal vibe of instinct and survival but at the same time was very spiritual. That 'tribe' clearly worshiped the Eagle given that lady had an adorned feather and stroked it.....the Eagle was present in each time of her need. She was alone....it screeched.....she saw the fire in the distance. As she lay dying she was crying thinking of her child....she looked up, the Eagle screeched and as she passed another lady showed up to take care of her kid.
The earthquake's are significant....certainly. Just to what aspect is yet to be determined.
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I get all that, Gman; it was pretty clear. :lol But I'm just wondering how that is significant at all to...however many hundreds or thousands of years in the future we are now in the show. One would think such a massively mind-fucking opening would surely be explained in some form but I'm still skeptical of how it'll fit in. I mean this is episode one so I'm certainly not judging yet but as I said, there is a whole lot that needs explaining and I'm just hoping that they didn't immediately dig themselves a very deep hole.
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I'm not expecting the opening to get explained. I'm sure it's symbolism of some sort that'll make more sense by the end of the season, but will never be spelled out for us. That's the way I'd like it, at least. Some things should remain mysteries without ruining it by over explaining exactly what's going on. Let the audience think for themselves a bit. I'm not expecting the departure thing to ever be resolved either.
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I'm not expecting the departure thing to ever be resolved either.
Nor do I. I don't see how you do? The allure of it all is the science vs Faith aspect of it. Why did it happen? Was it a scientific anomaly or was is some act of 'God'? If they decide to pick one and run with it I think the mystique of the show is gone and it's just 'another' show. I like the mystery behind it....the symbolism in most of the scenes and the cryptic dialogue....it all adds to the show for me. I don't see how they explain it and keep it neutral and the neutrality of the show is what's appealing.
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Oh absolutely, I agree on keeping some of the mystery and that is definitely one of them (kind of my attitude towards Walking Dead and how the virus came to be). But the opening was just so out of nowhere and yet given this glaring importance and very obvious connection to the land (same place), the events (earthquakes) and the seemingly blind faith (the town thinking they were spared and are holy, and the woman and the eagle). I liked it, I just hope that it's not left COMPLETELY alone. If there is another connection even through some other odd event in current times that isn't so obscure, I'll be satisfied; I wasn't saying I want them to spell every little thing out for us, but there is a balance that needs to be kept in my opinion. Something to actually connect the events with something concrete and give purpose to the whole thing other than it being a singularity in different times and merely 'symbolic' (a word I think is used way too often as a cop out of 'figure it out on your own, take from it what you will', and that's nice sometimes, but often times I see it used as a crutch instead of a point of purpose). I'm just not satisfied right now with how much importance the scene was given and then they cut to bitches playing in the same river in the current time.
Again though, I'm just being nit-picky and super cautious, they've got an abundance of time to explain however much they'd like, expand and explore. So as of now I'm good, it's just my faith in Lindelof waxes and wanes immensely. I like a lot of his work, but I also dislike a lot of his writing and decisions. It's a love/hate thing. :laugh:
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Very interesting second episode. I guess it answers the question on whether Kevin is seeing her again :lol but in typical fashion, the show answers a question but adds three more.
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I thought it was an amazing episode! Sometimes I just smile while watching this show just because of how well crafted it is. The writing, the acting, the cinematography, directing. Just great stuff.
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I thought it was an amazing episode! Sometimes I just smile while watching this show just because of how well crafted it is. The writing, the acting, the cinematography, directing. Just great stuff.
ditto :tup
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REALLY liked that episode. My complaints after the first episode have mostly been resolved now. If that episode was episode 1 I would have felt a lot better after it. It pretty much filled the gap between s2e1 and s1e10 so it didnt make it seem like this is a completely new story. I really enjoyed that, but also the story itself was really good and that ending!
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2nd episode definitely much stronger than 1st episode. Kicking off the second season with only new characters, the main one of which seems to be very unlikeable, was a strange decision.
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2nd episode definitely much stronger than 1st episode. Kicking off the second season with only new characters, the main one of which seems to be very unlikeable, was a strange decision.
Agreed, it definitely through me off. Not so much that there was a focus on new characters, but the fact the first episode had very little reference to anything from season 1 which really made my initial reactions to be a bit negative. However, looking back, it may have been strange but it actually does kind of work out. Set up the new location and characters and then bring back the old and 3rd episode should be pretty interesting!
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Holy Cow this season is off to a great start!! This third episode was really good IMO. Very interesting to see that 'gift' be passed on....ties in to the old school beginning of Christianity with Christ and all letting his followers know they had the same power he did if they'd just realize it.
Loved the scene in the publishers office....that was some powerful stuff.
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Yeah this episode was awesome, the show sure doesn't suffer from running out of source material. And I was just wondering when Liv Tyler would show up again, that was a really weird scene, and I actually thought they'd burn him.
Although this whole "have an episode focus solely on one group" thing has been great, I'd like them to now start progress each story in every episode. I mean, maybe they'll keep doing this and it'll be awesome, but it's just what I'm feeling right now.
Also, there are few people in fictional history as unlikable as the Guilty Remnants.
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Yeah this episode was awesome, the show sure doesn't suffer from running out of source material. And I was just wondering when Liv Tyler would show up again, that was a really weird scene, and I actually thought they'd burn him.
Although this whole "have an episode focus solely on one group" thing has been great, I'd like them to now start progress each story in every episode. I mean, maybe they'll keep doing this and it'll be awesome, but it's just what I'm feeling right now.
Also, there are few people in fictional history as unlikable as the Guilty Remnants.
Agree on the thinking they were going to burn him. Totally thought it was coming. And, the Guilty Remnants are turning out to be quite the 'enemy'. As far as focusing on each group....I think they've kind of leveled the field as far as 'where' they are now and 'what' they are up to. I suspect now they'll begin to tie them all together. I think the show has been very strong thus far.
And, it's interesting that Kevin's Father told him he was moving to Australia for a bit and in the background the whole episode you were hearing about a man who was thought to have been dead and resurrected from a cave in Australia. Absolutely no coincidence.
Curious to see how Kevin 'escapes' the whole palm print on the window deal? Oh....I just appeared at the bottom of the empty river with a weight tied to my leg :lol
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And, it's interesting that Kevin's Father told him he was moving to Australia for a bit and in the background the whole episode you were hearing about a man who was thought to have been dead and resurrected from a cave in Australia. Absolutely no coincidence.
Yeah, we've been hearing things about Australia here and there this season. The weirdo guy on top of the pillar also asked John's son to mail a letter there. So yeah, totally not a coincidence.
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And, it's interesting that Kevin's Father told him he was moving to Australia for a bit and in the background the whole episode you were hearing about a man who was thought to have been dead and resurrected from a cave in Australia. Absolutely no coincidence.
Yeah, we've been hearing things about Australia here and there this season. The weirdo guy on top of the pillar also asked John's son to mail a letter there. So yeah, totally not a coincidence.
This type of stuff is where you can get that first couple seasons of 'LOST' vibe/feel.....like they could/can/are writing just weird stuff and then making it work out. I have a feeling this show is thought out to the point that it isn't random....but it's just got that same vibe going for me right now.
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Finally finished my rewatch of the first season and caught up on the first three episodes of this season. Really liking it so far, as I suspected I would.
The new Nora-Jill dynamic is a joy for me to watch and I'm immediately liking the children in the new family (particularly the son). The parents are a bit harder to figure out, but I'm definitely intrigued. I'll be honest, I wasn't the most excited about episode three when I realized it was going to focus exclusively on Lauri and Tommy. Got to say, and very happy to do so, that I could't have been more wrong. Episode was fantastic. Particularly the scene in the publisher's office, but also the end with Tommy taking his new role. In general, given how much mystery they normally pile into this each episode, I thought this one did a very good job of clearing some things up without adding that much more confusion. Obviously there were a lot of questions about the GR and Holy Wayne in the first season. And while they haven't disappeared, this episode did a good job of getting a more concrete reading on that.
Really interested to see where they go from here. And looking forward to seeing more of the good Reverend Matt Jamison. Don't know if they'll have an entire episode dedicated to him like they did in the first season, but I've always been enraptured by his character. And the dude is a faaaantastic actor, which I never fully appreciated before (having seen him in Doctor Who).
Bring on more!
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The new Nora-Jill dynamic is a joy for me to watch and I'm immediately liking the children in the new family (particularly the son). The parents are a bit harder to figure out, but I'm definitely intrigued. I'll be honest, I wasn't the most excited about episode three when I realized it was going to focus exclusively on Lauri and Tommy. Got to say, and very happy to do so, that I could't have been more wrong. Episode was fantastic. Particularly the scene in the publisher's office, but also the end with Tommy taking his new role. In general, given how much mystery they normally pile into this each episode, I thought this one did a very good job of clearing some things up without adding that much more confusion. Obviously there were a lot of questions about the GR and Holy Wayne in the first season. And while they haven't disappeared, this episode did a good job of getting a more concrete reading on that.
Really interested to see where they go from here. And looking forward to seeing more of the good Reverend Matt Jamison. Don't know if they'll have an entire episode dedicated to him like they did in the first season, but I've always been enraptured by his character. And the dude is a faaaantastic actor, which I never fully appreciated before (having seen him in Doctor Who).
Bring on more!
This nails my sentiments as well!
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This show just never manages to kindle my interest. There are good flourishes and then it just too mired in unlikeable characters. Going to try and stick through with the rest of season 2 though.
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While its nowhere near a deal breaker for me yet, I do sort of agree on the lack of likeable characters. Almost all of them have something holding them back. Except for maybe Nora. Somehow, after a bit of a shaky start, she really won me over.
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Yeah I didn't mean every character is unlikeable, and I agree that Nora is pretty awesome. But I don't find that the show really makes me care very much about any of them.
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I feel ya- definitely been there before. Unfortunately I had a similar problem with Breaking Bad. I wanted to love that show and I really did love some of the things it did and some of the ways it did them, from a technical aspect and just in terms of quality storytelling, but I could never buy into the main character.
I never actually stopped watching (somewhat regrettably, looking back on it), but by the time I got to the last couple seasons I was just waiting for something terrible to happen to Walter White (not trying to suggest anything one way or the other, in case someone reads into this and somehow imagines a spoiler).
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Yeah same here - I liked BB but Walter was basically a dick, and so the focus being on him so much detracted from my interest in the show. As a result, I'm so far enjoying Better Call Saul a lot more.
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Just finished watching episode three on my lunch break. I didnt enjoy it as much as the last episode, I guess mostly because I can't stand the mother, she just pisses me off, same with the son. The episode was a solid episode though, the story that was told was great. I do hope we start seeing some tie in for all the characters soon though, these HBO shows aren't that long (in terms of episodes) so I'd hope we start seeing less episodes dedicated to one group of characters.
The GR really did come off as being way more sinister than last season. And that last part when Tommy asks who wants a hug was really cool. I was waiting for something this season regarding Holy Wayne. I totally didnt understand what or where exactly his powers came from/did, and while this didnt solve that, it does help paint a better picture of whats up with the holiness.
And this more and more FEELS lke LOST, which for me, is a good thing.
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I always thought that Holy Wayne's powers were fake, and it was all placebo, but I guess it was legit then?
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I think by the end of last season I was starting to believe in Holy Wayne, for a couple reasons.
First is that final scene before his death in the bathroom, with Kevin. For his final favor, he asked that he could try to grant a wish to Kevin. Given the details of that episode (Kevin had just been telling Matt all about how he lost his family and it was his fault, yada yada yada), I always assumed that his wish was for his family to come home/reunite. So once he's got that in his mind, Wayne smiles this big old smile, almost of recognition (perhaps because he recognized Tommy? I dunno). Regardless, by the end of the season, what's happened? Tommy has come back and reunited with Lauri. Kevin and Jill are back together as well... Obviously they aren't all back together yet- don't know if that will ever happen, though I'm assuming it will- but the wish of bringing them all home is at least (sort of) fulfilled.
Second reason I tend to believe in Wayne was because there were a couple moments throughout the first season in which he shows very clear doubt about his own powers. Now that doesn't necessarily prove that he's the real deal (he could just as easily be crazy), but it does at least seem to indicate to me that he's not a complete fraud. If he was, I'd imagine he would at least be consistent about it and not run his mouth about not knowing for sure. Those moments just feel very honest and inconsistent with how I'd imagine a scam being run.
Last, and probably least, is the simple fact that all the people he hugs subsequently believe in Holy Wayne. Now obviously that might just be the placebo effect and power of faith. That's why I always wanted to see what would happen if he hugged a more 'reliable' character (i.e. one of the characters the audience was more familiar with). That's where Nora comes in. And she definitely changed. Again, that could just be the placebo effect. Who knows. For whatever reason I've just wanted to believe in him since the beginning. Maybe it's just me, like them, looking to believe in anything, in the face of so much mystery...
Tommy is another story. I realize we didn't see everything that happened to him after finding the baby in the bathroom and the disappearance of Christine, but I have some trouble believing that Wayne showed up at that exact moment, and then died the following day (I don't know the exact geography, but were they even in New York at that point? Would Wayne have been able to make the trip to the restaurant where he died?). My first reaction to the most recent scene was that the story was purely invented for the sole purpose of filling the void left in the lives of the GR rehabilitees. I'd love to be proven wrong though, because it'd be very interesting if Tommy did indeed have the power. And interesting even if he did not have the power, because it still says a hell of a lot about mind over matter and the overwhelming potential of belief.
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Another good episode tonight, for me. Feeling sad now that it's over. Then again, I was feeling sad while it was on too
Don't know how I feel about the girls vanishing (if Patti is to be trusted), but I'm open to the possibility. It's just such a major thing, if true, and a real monkey wrench in my current understanding of the universe that's been constructed since all the way back in the pilot. It'll be interesting to see where they go from here.
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Another good episode tonight, for me. Feeling sad now that it's over. Then again, I was feeling sad while it was on too
Don't know how I feel about the girls vanishing (if Patti is to be trusted), but I'm open to the possibility. It's just such a major thing, if true, and a real monkey wrench in my current understanding of the universe that's been constructed since all the way back in the pilot. It'll be interesting to see where they go from here.
Yeah, I liked this episode a lot and actually I think this season is way stronger than the first.....and I liked the first one bunches. I think Patty is a straight shooter probably much like Kevin's father's 'friends' were....
I think the Grandpa and the Kid who can 'see' things are going to be a vital role in 'curing' Kevin....or a least helping him.
Solid move by Nora with the cuffs.....her character is great!!
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Once again, great episode.
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Fascinating episode last night. I really enjoyed the episode they dedicated to the preacher last year and last nights was good as well. That guy is a really good actor. Love how he just confronted John at the end and basically told him he wasn't scared of him and BTW you're taking care of this kid. Hopefully they reveal what it is that has John so dead set against having 'miracles' in Miracle.
Nora is hot.
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I'm sure they will eventually reveal what got John in that dark place to begin with. I'm envisioning a flashback episode near the end of this season.
As for this episode... WOW. Really loved it. Best episode of the season so far, for me, by far. Like you said, I thought the episode focused on Matt in the first season was among the best episodes at the time (probably my favorite from that season even now) and this one is no different. Just as gripping, but with different flavors splashed in. And you're on point- Chistopher Eccleston has done a phenomenal job with this role...
Really looking forward to seeing where they go next week... Maybe back to Tom and Laurie? No matter, I'm on board. Hopefully it'll be renewed for the third season soon.
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While I enjoyed the last episode I'm not sure I'd say it was the best episode of the season but I will agree that Christopher Eccleston is doing a fantastic job. This is the first time I've enjoyed his character, not that I've seen him in many roles really but his won me.
This is one of my favorite shows right now because even though it makes me a little uncomfortable, the characters are not very lovable and half the time I'm not sure what's going on or where they're heading, I still feel the need to keep watching. Do you guys go through something similar?
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This is one of my favorite shows right now because even though it makes me a little uncomfortable, the characters are not very lovable and half the time I'm not sure what's going on or where they're heading, I still feel the need to keep watching. Do you guys go through something similar?
Oh absolutely. I will say though, I do find most of the characters to be quite likable at the moment. Looking back on the first season, I really disliked Liv Tyler's character, thought Jill was a bit annoying, and I wasn't a big fan of some of the Guilty Remnant characters either, but I could get behind almost everyone else. Now Jill has turned it around, Liv Tyler's almost entirely off the map, and this season the GR's not really been much of an issue. So that helps. The new father character is of course hard to like, but I like where they seem to be going with him and I'm curious to see what fucked him up so much in the first place.
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Funny that the new Walking Dead episode was one focusing entirely on a character I don't care as much for as the main people, and now this show does the exact same thing. But here, the writing is just so much better, so it's all good.
This wasn't my favorite episode of the season though because, as I said, I don't care for Matt as much as Kevin and Nora and the others that feel like the "meat" of the story. But as always, the show is never uninteresting, and always has me engaged.
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But as always, the show is never uninteresting, and always has me engaged.
That seems to be the thing about this show.....at least with me. It's not like I just absolutely am head over heels dying to see this show every week but it always seems to deliver for me. It's really well done in that aspect
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Yeah... not the show you really feel the need to binge on, for me at least. But a very engaging, relatively slow burner nonetheless.
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this season is friggin' awesome!! That episode last night was fantastic.....just so much stuff going on.
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I'm going to have to rewatch this season when it's done. Good episode last night but not my favorite. What's with the rock throwing?
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What's with the rock throwing?
I think it was one ticked off lady who then got caught by another ticked off lady.....??
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Yeah, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I just wasn't sure why Nora threw one in the first place.
Glad Kevin finally fessed up, and glad to see the two children together. I think we're going to have to get a Tom and Lauri episode next week, before back to Kevin. Maybe a flashback episode for John Murphy as well before the finale. Just my feeling.
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I just wasn't sure why Nora threw one in the first place.
I think she was just ticked off at John......
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I think we're going to have to get a Tom and Lauri episode next week, before back to Kevin. Maybe a flashback episode for John Murphy as well before the finale. Just my feeling.
Yeah, this seems the most likely scenario but with all the stuff going on I'm not sure where this is heading.
Also, I'd love it if they started answering some questions before asking new ones. I'm having a hard time figuring out how they will start putting things together.
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Im a little worried that it won't be renewed for season 3. I know HBO doesn't often cancel its dramas, but the ratings are noticeably down from last season, which didn't have great ratings to begin with. Maybe I'm just being paranoid.
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Im a little worried that it won't be renewed for season 3. I know HBO doesn't often cancel its dramas, but the ratings are noticeably down from last season, which didn't have great ratings to begin with. Maybe I'm just being paranoid.
I don't think it's paranoid. There really isn't a 'buzz' for the show like other shows. I think there is an audience for it....but it's just not that mega hit like a Game of Thrones. It'll be interesting to see because I think it's a good show worth continuing but unfortunately it's all about the $$ and if it's not making $$ then it's gone.
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Didn't quite understand why John's wife got so mad at Nora at the end.
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Im a little worried that it won't be renewed for season 3. I know HBO doesn't often cancel its dramas, but the ratings are noticeably down from last season, which didn't have great ratings to begin with. Maybe I'm just being paranoid.
I don't think it's paranoid. There really isn't a 'buzz' for the show like other shows. I think there is an audience for it....but it's just not that mega hit like a Game of Thrones. It'll be interesting to see because I think it's a good show worth continuing but unfortunately it's all about the $$ and if it's not making $$ then it's gone.
That would suck. The problem with this show (or shows of this type) is that the mystery is deep and intrigueing to get viewers but when you only add more mystery and not any resolution, you lose people's interest. I know many who watched season 1 and even enjoyed it but haven't cared to watch season 2.
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I know many who watched season 1 and even enjoyed it but haven't cared to watch season 2.
for me.....this Season has been better than season 1. I liked the first season a lot.....but I think the 'story' has been more intriguing this season and the acting has been superb all around.
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I'm not sure which season I like more so far. I'd probably say that it's the same level of greatness.
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I wasnt meant to compare, just saying an example of why the ratings might have fell. I am also really enjoying this season so far, I'll hold my judgement on which season was better until the end because I don't think there is clear seperation at this point for me.
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So the writing on this is better than LOST then ?
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So the writing on this is better than LOST then ?
Not sure if it is, but what Lost had over Leftovers is the characters. The characters on Lost were great and the show really did a great job building them up with every episode being centric on a character. Thats not a shot at the Leftovers, but just something Lost did so well.
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So the writing on this is better than LOST then ?
Not sure if it is, but what Lost had over Leftovers is the characters. The characters on Lost were great and the show really did a great job building them up with every episode being centric on a character. Thats not a shot at the Leftovers, but just something Lost did so well.
True....but I love the symbolism and 'atmosphere' that Leftovers has. Every episode has tons of symbolism that is done very well and the over all 'feel' of the episodes is something that is noticeable.
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So the writing on this is better than LOST then ?
Not sure if it is, but what Lost had over Leftovers is the characters. The characters on Lost were great and the show really did a great job building them up with every episode being centric on a character. Thats not a shot at the Leftovers, but just something Lost did so well.
True....but I love the symbolism and 'atmosphere' that Leftovers has. Every episode has tons of symbolism that is done very well and the over all 'feel' of the episodes is something that is noticeable.
Thats very "losty" as well, the symbolism and little things littered all over that makes rewatches worth the time.
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I think The Leftovers is a bit like Lost on steroids. Makes for a fun ride, but also perhaps less accessible.
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This past Sunday's episode was the best of the season, IMO.
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Holy crap.
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Holy crap.
I didn't get a chance to watch last night...but this statement all but guarantees that I'll be carving out an hour tonight!!!
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Holy crap.
What. The. Fu%k!!? I mean....just WOW!! I'm speechless right now.......
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Holy crap.
What. The. Fu%k!!? I mean....just WOW!! I'm speechless right now.......
I was hoping someone here would have something, I'm just in awe right now
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Holy crap.
What. The. Fu%k!!? I mean....just WOW!! I'm speechless right now.......
I was hoping someone here would have something, I'm just in awe right now
Having thought on it a day now....that was just such a well written episode. On one hand, let's call it the 'supernatural' aspect....Kevin is in this battle against the GR leader and has someone who knows all about it willing to help him...it makes 'sense' when they are talking about it, it seems 'real' to them.....then, on the other hand, the 'reality' aspect, Kevin's wife spells it all out for him and shows him that he's just going crazy. All his actions are actions of a crazy man up to the last phone call with Nora....a very 'lost touch with reality' phone call and I had the feeling that Nora knew it.
So the whole set up is Kevin on one hand is going to do this big 'battle' to rid himself of the GR lady and on the other hand he's just finally lost it and is going to kill himself. I can't imagine that he actually stays dead so it'll be interesting to see how he comes back?
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Yeah, I did enjoy that dichotomy between what's real and what's in Kevin's mind, and it was clear he greatly misunderstood his father when he said he just did what they asked. I'm pretty sure he was referring to the doctors and not the voices.
It's also pretty interesting how that dichotomy you mention, that battle within himself is materialized in Patty telling him she wants him do it but also telling him not to.
The part that I really don't understand is why the grandfather just lets him do it and then puts a gun in his mouth and also why Michael seemed to be OK with all of that, he doesn't look surprised when he goes into the house after hearing the shot.
And the part that I hate the most is that I'm going on vacation so it will be 3 weeks before I can find an answer to all of these questions >:(
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The part that I really don't understand is why the grandfather just lets him do it and then puts a gun in his mouth and also why Michael seemed to be OK with all of that, he doesn't look surprised when he goes into the house after hearing the shot.
I think the argument they were having when Kevin arrived had a lot to do with why Michael wasn't shocked. I'm almost thinking they 'knew' what was about to happen (Michael saying God be with you) and that's why he wasn't shocked and almost had that "yep...it happened" look when he came through the door.
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The part that I really don't understand is why the grandfather just lets him do it and then puts a gun in his mouth and also why Michael seemed to be OK with all of that, he doesn't look surprised when he goes into the house after hearing the shot.
I think the argument they were having when Kevin arrived had a lot to do with why Michael wasn't shocked. I'm almost thinking they 'knew' what was about to happen (Michael saying God be with you) and that's why he wasn't shocked and almost had that "yep...it happened" look when he came through the door.
I know, but why did he let that happen? That's the part I can't understand.
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And the part that I hate the most is that I'm going on vacation so it will be 3 weeks before I can find an answer to all of these questions >:(
Well, on the bright side you'll have all the rest of the season to watch at once when you get back.
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I was really late on watching this most recent episode.
My take on Virgil's suicide by gun was that perhaps he was going to 'go to to the other side' with Kevin and guide him along his way. Not sure why Michael came to move the body. Regardless of whether or not he knew what was going to happen (seems pretty obvious that he did), I still don't understand why he needed to move the body.
I wonder what's up with Tommy these days.
Also don't think Kevin is going to stay dead, but I'm worried about the territory that the show runners are entering now. Not sure where they're going from here. Kind of feels like they might've bitten off more than they can chew with this Patti showdown. Maybe not though, I'll reserve judgement until the end of the season at least. And hopefully into a third season.
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I quite enjoyed tonight's episode. I was a bit worried coming in, but I thought they dealt with it well. Really enjoyed seeing Holy Wayne again. Also really curious to see how they're going to wrap things up in only two hours. Hopefully without leaving too many loose threads. That's something Lost used to do between seasons, but I much prefer something along the lines of the first seasons finale, which left things open but didn't have any huge plot cliffhangers.
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I quite enjoyed tonight's episode. I was a bit worried coming in, but I thought they dealt with it well. Really enjoyed seeing Holy Wayne again. Also really curious to see how they're going to wrap things up in only two hours. Hopefully without leaving too many loose threads. That's something Lost used to do between seasons, but I much prefer something along the lines of the first seasons finale, which left things open but didn't have any huge plot cliffhangers.
Yeah....that was a very interesting take on that place between being dead and alive....if there is such a place?
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Very weird episode. Fun to watch and very powerful at times. Pushing a child down to die in a well? That's got to be tough, no matter the circumstances.
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Very weird episode. Fun to watch and very powerful at times. Pushing a child down to die in a well? That's got to be tough, no matter the circumstances.
Yeah....it had a very strange feel to it yet it was so intriguing. It was interesting that the well was the exact spot where the prehistoric chic died....and that hawk (although not in the real world) screeching after Kevin pushed the kid into the well like it did when the small child was saved from the dying prehistoric chic.....don't know what it all "means" per say but I'm certain it had to be intentional.
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As soon as I saw the scene with Evie and Meg on the bench I knew what was coming. Overall I thought this episode didn't live up to the greatness of the season as a whole, if for no other reason than the fact that I dislike Meg and have since the beginning of the show.
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As soon as I saw the scene with Evie and Meg on the bench I knew what was coming. Overall I thought this episode didn't live up to the greatness of the season as a whole, if for no other reason than the fact that I dislike Meg and have since the beginning of the show.
I am not a fan of Meg either.....she's just not a strong character and Liv Tyler is not a strong actress. Meg may be interesting had someone else played her....but Liv Tyler is brutal.....
Still trying to figure out the 'I was trying to get you pregnant' statement......
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Don't now what you're talking about, I thought Liv Tyler did a great job here and had some really cool moments.
And I really didn't see the Evie and the others in the trailer thing coming. Very excited for the finale next week.
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Don't now what you're talking about, I thought Liv Tyler did a great job here and had some really cool moments.
I think it's just a pre-existing condition for me. I've never liked her so there's most certainly a chance that I really haven't 'given her a shot'....so, I'll have to take your opinion for it because I know mine is biased.
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I'm going to be pissed if the Leftovers is canceled and that's the last episode it gets, because that was easily one of the best single episodes of TV I've ever seen.
I look forward to hearing others' thoughts as well, but damn if they didn't pull it off. I was largely skeptical through many parts of this season, but it all came together here. So many beautiful moments, I'm going to have to rewatch this one soon :hefdaddy
It really did feel like the final episode of the series though, the way it all came together there at the end...
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I'm going to be pissed if the Leftovers is canceled and that's the last episode it gets, because that was easily one of the best single episodes of TV I've ever seen.
I look forward to hearing others' thoughts as well, but damn if they didn't pull it off. I was largely skeptical through many parts of this season, but it all came together here. So many beautiful moments, I'm going to have to rewatch this one soon :hefdaddy
It really did feel like the final episode of the series though, the way it all came together there at the end...
Dude....I totally agree! That was a fantastic episode.....just awesome!!!! The second season was incredible IMO. I liked that even though they'd leave you with a new question or two after each episode....they'd answer it as well.
I do feel like they did a great job of either A. Giving us a killer episode to end the series....or B. Left it to where next season could literally be anything.
I can't even begin to describe how pleased I am with that season and this finale episode in particular. Just wow.
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I have to agree with both of you, that was amazing. One of the best seasons of TV I've seen.
It really did feel like the final episode of the series though, the way it all came together there at the end...
So did the season 1 finale. I didn't think we'd get more after that, but then all of this happened.
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That performance by Therioux singing 'Homeward Bound' was friggin' chilling in all the right ways. What a performance....to take a song and then 'say' so much while singing it in a certain way.
I really dig that concept of 'purgatory' or "wherever" that was Kevin went. It's even more fascinating when you learn that it seems like everyone there 'knows' where they are at and that they are stuck there.....
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It must've been the funniest super sad cathartic epiphany I've ever seen.
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It must've been the funniest super sad cathartic epiphany I've ever seen.
the entire way it was set up. Even the guy at the bar saying 'what, too easy for ya'?" Then to have that powerful a moment as a character.....so well done IMO.
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It was really weird and really great.
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I was so anxious about whether or not Kevin was going to survive, leading up to that moment when it zoomed out from the bridge and went to white before his waking up in the tub.
I wanted to scream and laugh and cry all at the same time seeing him sent back there. And yes, the karaoke scene was phenomenal.
This is something that Lost did really well at times, and which the first 19 episodes of The Leftovers did even better in my opinion, but this finale takes the cake as far as being incredibly cinematic. I don't even possess the correct terminology to talk about these things, but the technical filmic details that went into the episode made for an incredible visual experience. Small things like the final shot panning across the living room and the handheld camera effect when Nora was chasing after the baby-thief and so on and so forth- everything felt on point.
And Max Richter's music... Always been one of the highlights of the show for me and used perfectly here, once again.
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the final shot panning across the living room
That scene had a very 'last episode of LOST' feel to it....when they were all gathered in the Church.
I REALLY hope this show is picked up for another season....so curious to see how they'd follow this one up? They left it to where they could literally 'tell' any type of story.
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And Max Richter's music... Always been one of the highlights of the show for me and used perfectly here, once again.
Agreed. It's so damn emotional and powerful. It never fails to really move me.
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So.....were there just us (4) on DTF who watched this show? :lol
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I know TioJorge was in on the first season, but he hasn't posted in the thread in a long time. It's a shame too, because I think the show deserves so much more. Don't get me wrong, I understand why people flock to shows like Game of Thrones and Walking Dead, but this one has just been so much more satisfying for me. Don't know what exactly it is about Leftovers, because it's not really the mysterious aspects or even necessarily the plot, but it's never let me down. I guess it's just asking the right kinds of questions of me, at this point in my life, if that makes any sense whatsoever.
As for Season 3, if it makes it, I think you're right that it could go anywhere. I don't see them up and moving in the same way that it did between One and Two, because the believability of that shift in setting was entirely predicated on the uniqueness of Jarden, but there's definitely a lot left to explore. I think the situation in Australia is probably the most obvious direction for things to head, but again there's no telling how that will relate to the current cast of characters.
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I
watched endured both seasons. But definitely not because I liked the show. Just to pass the time and see how it will continue to annoy and bore me, how many ridiculous questions it will leave open, how stupid the characters would continue to react, and what random twist comes next. I seriously wonder why people give money to Lindelof and I hope the show gets cancelled. Even though I may keep on watching to shake my head for ten more hours wasted. :biggrin:
Greetings...
Nef
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I watched endured both seasons. But definitely not because I liked the show. Just to pass the time and see how it will continue to annoy and bore me, how many ridiculous questions it will leave open, how stupid the characters would continue to react, and what random twist comes next. I seriously wonder why people give money to Lindelof and I hope the show gets cancelled. Even though I may keep on watching to shake my head for ten more hours wasted. :biggrin:
Greetings...
Nef
Please....tell us how you REALLY feel..... :lol
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I've seen similar comments made on their FB page as well and I can't, for the life of me, wrap my head around this.
I've never wasted more than two hours on a show that I didn't like and I can't imagine why anyone would do so, and continue to do so with the expectation of further disliking the show.
Seriously Nef- why don't you watch, or do, something else? Are you a masochist? Surely there are less annoying and boring ways to spend your time, right?
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I might have exaggerated a bit. :angel:
It's well made and has a few interesting characters and ideas. And it certainly keeps a viewer curious and guessing. The reasons I kept watching were being curious and also waiting for something to like or at least be marginally passionate about. But in the end there is just no real goal or payoff besides trading older mysteries for new ones. There's never any sort of explanation or justification behind those mysteries and even more so the many astoundingly ridiculous choices those characters make. And that doesn't exactly satisfy my entertainment needs.
There are a lot of shows I really enjoy and I'm not a masochist (even though I'm on DTF almost on daily basis). It's just curiosity and an hour to waste relaxing after coming home from work.
Greetings...
Nef
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Regarding the "ridiculous" choices by characters, I don't think there are any. I'm almost every episode impressed by how realistic (considering their unrealistic circumstances) these people are.
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It was renewed for a third and final season.
I'm split on this one. Very happy that it's getting another season, very disappointed that it's not getting more. Lindelof has talked about plans for a 5 season arc in the past and those plans are obviously not going to come to fruition. This is HBO's idea of a compromise, no doubt.
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It was renewed for a third and final season.
I'm split on this one. Very happy that it's getting another season, very disappointed that it's not getting more. Lindelof has talked about plans for a 5 season arc in the past and those plans are obviously not going to come to fruition. This is HBO's idea of a compromise, no doubt.
Most likely a compromise, you're right. It's good to know that at least they get a shot to 'end' the show....maybe explain some things. It's good news IMO
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Ok so I finally caught up with this after my vacation and holy shit were they able to pull everything together, or almost everything, you never know with this show. So, let's talk about some of the points you raised on these final 3 episodes:
The episode where Kevin is at the hotel must be the most fun one this show has had, everything was so ridiculous but at some point it made sense. Also the pace and dynamics were just spot on, it was fast, included lots of stuff yet it didn't feel rushed, great stuff.
As soon as I saw the scene with Evie and Meg on the bench I knew what was coming. Overall I thought this episode didn't live up to the greatness of the season as a whole, if for no other reason than the fact that I dislike Meg and have since the beginning of the show.
I am not a fan of Meg either.....she's just not a strong character and Liv Tyler is not a strong actress. Meg may be interesting had someone else played her....but Liv Tyler is brutal.....
Don't now what you're talking about, I thought Liv Tyler did a great job here and had some really cool moments.
Agreed, I'm not a fan of her but I think she brings a lot to Meg's character and is a big reason why she is so detestable at times. After the first season I wouldn't have thought she'd be the one to take the guilty remnant to the radical side they've become and after that 9th episode I'm very curious as to what the Psychic said to her that broke her so much.
Regarding the last episode I just loved it all the way. I remember thinking Kevin is the unluckiest guy in the world, he comes back from the dead and less than 24 hours later he gets shot and killed?! Poor guy. I wasn't a fan of that character during the first season because he was such an asshole but I like how he seems to be taking in some of Nora´s traits slowly and becoming better and more likable.
I also loved the scene where John finds him in the ER and goes: "I killed you" and Kevin just says "Nope". I laughed at that.
Overall I think I enjoyed this season a lot more than the first and I'm super excited about the third one even though it will be the last. I hope Perrotta and Lindelof are able to close this one in a good way even though they might have to speed things up
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It's good they are given a season to end it. Thatis great news, even if it means the show can't do it's full arc, they at least know the end point and can work towards it. I'd imagine that means season 3 is going to be awesome. Im not sure what season I enjoyed more. The 2nd was really good, but the first had that initial intrigue. Overall, a really enjoyable show so I am happy to see one more final season.
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New member of the club, here.
Just finished watching it and I loved it. Season 2 for me was better than 1, especially the last half of S2. I think I'm going to rewatch this again before Season 3, and I have a feeling I'll enjoy it even more next time around. Great show , with great fucking music.
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New member of the club, here.
Just finished watching it and I loved it. Season 2 for me was better than 1, especially the last half of S2. I think I'm going to rewatch this again before Season 3, and I have a feeling I'll enjoy it even more next time around. Great show , with great fucking music.
It really is a strong show. I'm bummed it only has one more season to finish the story being that they wrote it with 5 seasons in mind, but thrilled it wasn't just outright cancelled and thing that they can probably wrap it up pretty good for us and it be satisfying and not forced.
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I never knew that that was the original intention, so I'm glad it does have a shot to finish. I would have been okay if it had ended after Season 2, on such a high note, but I'm glad to see one more. Looking forward to see the direction it will take.
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Just binged watched the two seasons of this show. I like it, it's definitely Lost on steroids with fewer characters. I think my favorite episodes apart from both finales were the ones involving the preacher Matt and his wife. I always found those intriguing. I think Fear the walking dead should take note on how to make teenagers not super annoying and actually worth watching.
I don't know if I would like this show if I was watching it on a weekly basis. Too many times I've been watching an episode and felt as if I missed some scenes or thought I was watching out of order. It definitely helps to watch it one after the other since things are fresh in your mind.
I don't mind mysteries not being explained and I too don't think they'll really give a concrete explanation on what the departure actually is.
I like the mix of science vs religion and people belief and expectations, I thought they handled that part really well. I believe several of the religious motifs are done with consultation of a religious scholar Reza Aslan. That explains the opening scene of season two.
I will most likely watch the same way when the last season airs and binge watch it all.
I have to say one of the highlight of the show for me is the melancholic music used throughout. I was slightly amused though when they used the strings version of Metalliica's Nothing else matters.
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I agree with you. The music is fantastic. Also I do love the episodes with Matt. I'm rewatching the series and I found that I'm enjoying Season 1 a lot more than I previously did. I enjoyed it the first time around but it took me time to get used to the tone of the show and the fact that it's pretty ambiguous. I'm currently on episode 4 of Season 1. I loved Two Boats and a Helicopter. Matt is a great character and I love anytime he is on screen.
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Okay so I don't know if this was talked about, but at the end of S1E05, it looks just like Dean at the AFTEC processing plant. It doesn't put a ton of focus on him and you never see him again after Cairo. He alongside Wayne have been arguably the most mysterious characters on the show. It was clear that Dean wasn't a part of Kevin's imagination because other people would acknowledge him.
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Finished my rewatch of the show a few days ago. Season 2 of this show is probably my favorite season of any show ever and the finale of it is my favorite episode of all time.
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I don't know if I'd go that far, but it was indeed amazing.
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So the third and final season premiered last night. As always, this show never fails to intrigue me with it's weird storytelling and unique feel.
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That premiere was a solid episode. The opening sequence was very cool as well. Some comment online pointed out that as being referred to the "Great disappointment"
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Hadn't been paying attention....didn't know this premiered last night. Thanks for the heads up, will have to watch tonight. I'm curious to see how they wrap this thing up...assuming they do wrap it up.
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All that episode did was bum me out that this is the last season. Such a great episode! I've enjoyed this series immensely and have high hopes they will tell a full story and yet keep some of the mystique and cryptic meaning behind it all.
That last scene of Nora on the bike....the Nun had an accent and Kevin's Dad is in Australia?
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Yeah, it's been such a long wait for this season. The first episode was great, I think there's a lot of new info being brought in and I can't wait to see how it all resolves. Knowing that it's only 8 episodes is a bit sad because this has become my favorite show (Season 2 being the best season of television I've ever watched). Season 1 had good character building and Season 2 had really good plotting. I think 3 could very well encapsulate everything that is great about this show. It has gotten incredible reviews from critics (They released the first 7 episodes to them) and pretty much all have said it's amazing and that it looks to set up a very nice finale.
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Dang. Another incredible episode.
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I think the first two episodes of this season has been nothing short of brilliant. I've become a huge fan of the series, I've always enjoyed and liked this show but this is some next level stuff and the acting on this show is just outright amazing. And as a straight married with kid guy how fricking goddamn hot is Justin Theroux with his perfect god like body. The title track had me rolling lol.
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And as a straight married with kid guy how fricking goddamn hot is Justin Theroux with his perfect god like body.
Totally. Especially now with that beard.
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This show is just killing me with how good it is. I'm actually sad at the thought that this is the last season. Just unreal so far.
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This show is just killing me with how good it is. I'm actually sad at the thought that this is the last season. Just unreal so far.
Exactly. It's gonna be a drop the mic situation. What's intriguing is that the 'end game' is still a mystery. The show is leading towards something but for the life of me i can't crack the code and i love it.
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Another great episode. One thing this show does a great job of is pacing. I love how we are getting different character-based episodes and they are all done so well. We already are getting a few answers to some early questions and this is great because nobody wants a finale that forces answers to so many unanswered questions. Next week's episode looks very intense. I can't wait!
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With every episode being a single character story arc, I love how they've answered just enough to be satisfied and yet pique your interest into what's next. Such a well written show and the performances in each episode by every character has been outstanding so far.
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I caught up last night and as gmillerdrake said, I'm being bummed that this is the last season because it's so freaking good. I'm really not sure there is an endgame as some of you are pointing out, I think this show is not about the departed, it's about how people cope with the fact that they are not in control of their lives which is why everyone went mad. My take at this show is that even though I'm curious as to where it is going, I'm taking it with some Rush philosophy, I'm enjoying the journey because the point is not to arrive :smiley:
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Yeah, I think a lot of people will be frustrated at a lack of answers. I don't feel like there needs to be a lot of answers, but there definetely needs to be some kind of resolution to the story. They just need to find that balance. I really hope they will.
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Yeah, I think a lot of people will be frustrated at a lack of answers. I don't feel like there needs to be a lot of answers, but there definetely needs to be some kind of resolution to the story. They just need to find that balance. I really hope they will.
I don't expect or need every question to be answered and have it all wrapped up in a bow. I think that'd be out of line for the show...it just wouldn't fit. But like you mention, I'm curious about the resolution of it all and expect it to be 'worth' it.
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When a show's intent is to not focus on the answers, but the experiences of the characters, I could not care less about actually getting answers. This show is the best.
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I don't know if they're going to give concrete answers but a lot of things shown have so far drawn parallels from several religious themes so I figure they're going to be left that way.
Tonight's episode keeps this trajectory of one amazing episode after another with amazing performances as usual. The setup with Kevin's little adventure and how it tied it in the end with the chat with Nora at the end was extremely well executed. This show if off the charts fantastic and approaching legendary status now. If it ends with this high note I think I'd have to seriously contend this as one of my top 5 shows of all time.
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I don't know if they're going to give concrete answers but a lot of things shown have so far drawn parallels from several religious themes so I figure they're going to be left that way.
Tonight's episode keeps this trajectory of one amazing episode after another with amazing performances as usual. The setup with Kevin's little adventure and how it tied it in the end with the chat with Nora at the end was extremely well executed. This show if off the charts fantastic and approaching legendary status now. If it ends with this high note I think I'd have to seriously contend this as one of my top 5 shows of all time.
Umm....yeah. What you said. I'm pretty sure they're not gonna spell out any 'answers' per say....but I can't imagine that the story they are telling, when it ends....is going to suck. The way it's going I'm confident it'll be well done.
I'm curious as to if it's something as simple as the 'leftover' folks are actually the ones who vanished?
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I agree, this show is phenomenal. I think something interesting is the question about killing the baby if cancer could be cured. The man in the desert answered no, and Nora answered yes. Both were rejected. Is it possible that this radiation machine thing is just a scam and maybe it's the GR or another cult that makes people invest so much in the idea that they could be with their loved ones again just to take it away from them just like that? It surely left Nora broken, and obviously the man in the desert felt tremendous pain. It sounds like they just answer "no" to everyone.
Also, loved the ending. Kevin and Nora's breakup scene was arguably the best scene this season. Next week's episode looks crazy, as I would expect no different from a Matt episode.
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It was good foreshadowing when Nora and Kevin were talking on the plane and she called their relationship a co-dependent toxic relationship. I think they'd both been burying their head in the sand for some time concerning their relationship.
The baby question is curious and as you pointed out both answers were rejected. It doesn't explain why none of the former participants can be found....but it is curious that they didn't take Nora especially when her answer was the most pragmatic and 'scientific'
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The baby question is an interesting thing, at first my thought was that these "scientists" were messing up with people and contributing to the general collective madness,driving these other people to suicide like the guy in the dessert which might explain why none of them could be found. Then I thought that maybe there is no 1 right answer, but that depending on each person they are seeking a different response for whatever reason. There's also the chance that it's just another test, see how people react to an initial rejection and maybe some time later contact them again and tell them they can go through with the machine, who knows.
This latest episode on one side left me very satisfied with the acting and the overall craziness of the world, but somewhat disappointed and I'm not sure why. I think a part of me is still expecting to get some answers even though I know I won't which now that I think about it is exactly what the people in the show are experiencing at a much larger scale. God dammit this show is freaking fantastic.
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I completely agree the baby question is an individual answer. They 'know' everything about Nora....she was a Mom....lost her real kids and adoptive kids and Nora was probably right that they tested her with the strangers baby. For her to give the answer that she thought they'd want to hear rather than the one she 'wanted' to give and go against her 'motherhood' showed them something they didn't like about her.
And yeah....I'm pretty confident we're not going to get many 'answers'.....but I'm totally cool with that at this point due to how great the shows been.
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Some of my favorite episodes of the season tend to be the ones with Matt the preacher. I have always loved how this show portrayed him and his beliefs, giving the appearance of a cliched crazed religious zealot on the surface then unraveling the truth with so much depth and reveal that his beliefs were indeed not just made up delusions. This show has always done an excellent job of maintaining that balance.
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Some of my favorite episodes of the season tend to be the ones with Matt the preacher. I have always loved how this show portrayed him and his beliefs, giving the appearance of a cliched crazed religious zealot on the surface then unraveling the truth with so much depth and reveal that his beliefs were indeed not just made up delusions. This show has always done an excellent job of maintaining that balance.
Yeah. I like the Matt episodes as well.
What I really liked about that episode was the subtle allegorical storytelling about the dude who claimed to be god and that physical lion being present. Jesus is referred to as the Lion of Judah and the Lion is often used to represent Christ....so for the conversation that Matt and 'god' had to go down in front of that Lion....then for the episode to end with the lion being freed and then killing the guy who claimed to be god....I've always dug those types of symbolic undertones this show throws in there. There have been quite a few.
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Wow, what an episode. I love the focus on Laurie. This was super heavy, amazing writing as always. I know next episode is going to be crazy and the one I was initially most excited for based off the title alone. Also helps that it's the same guy that directed International Assassin and Lens so I have high hopes.
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Yeah, that episode was fantastic.
Even though they set the suicide thing up at several points during the episode it still took me by surprise there at the end.
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Just can't express how much it's gonna suck not having this show around. It is THAT good. The writing and acting have been incredible.
The fact that they've concealed the 'end game' thus far with only two episodes left is awesome....at the same time weaving these intricate character driven stories. It's really beautiful
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Fuck this show, fuck this emotional connection it develops, fuck everything about it....argghhh I can't believe that a TV show actually made me cry, everyone relates to different level and I'm usually very good about just separating fiction from reality but that episode, fucking hell, made me sob at the end.
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Fuck this show, fuck this emotional connection it develops, fuck everything about it....argghhh I can't believe that a TV show actually made me cry, everyone relates to different level and I'm usually very good about just separating fiction from reality but that episode, fucking hell, made me sob at the end.
With ya man. Nora desperately wanting to see her kids again....her story hits me hard for some reason.
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This one was all about Kevin's internal conflict and using this "other world" as an escape rather than dealing with the issues that are in front of him. Great stuff and I love how exaggerated this show can be
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That episode had a ton of things going and on so many levels too. I'm going to have to watch it again to fully process it, whatever it was, it was fantastic and compelling as usual.
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My god this show is amazing.
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The only possible way the finale can disappoint me would be if Kevin and Nora walk into a Church at the end only to be standing there with Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Siad.
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Also, since we didn't see Laurie at all in the afterplace, do you think it means that she's not dead? I feel it's either that, or it means that it's all in Kevin's head, and he didn't see her at all because he doesn't know she's dead.
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I'm pretty sure Laurie is dead. I think this other world is kind of a purgatory, so we didn't see Laurie because she seemed to be at peace with her death , and wanted it to happen. Almost like she already moved on, while the people in this world have "unfinished business" like Kevin.
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Wonder if they'll frame it all up as the people we've been watching for three seasons are actually the ones who vanished?
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Probably not, it would be a bit obvious I think. Or more like having a twist just for the sake of a twist.
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Just caught up to the last episode, that was a masterpiece. As some has said, there's some much going on in there that I'm not sure I got all of it, but even so it had about everything and might have been my favorite episode of the whole show. Not sure what's going to happen next, not sure where this is going but it has been an amazingly fun ride.
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I don't expect there to be a big twist or anything. That being said, I'm not sure what will happen but I expect some decent amount of closure.
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Me too, I'm not expecting huge twists as this show doesn't really seem to be geared that way. I think there will be some answers with regards to the departure but not a complete and full explanation of all events. Can't wait for this sunday!
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So bummed this series is over.
That was a satisfying enough series finale. As we knew, they were t going to go and 'answer' it all but what they did do was good enough for me.
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Yup loved it, perfect ending and gave just enough answers to satisfy me. I guess we just don't know exactly why the sudden departure occurred but I'm happy with whatever they showed.
And you know the more I read about other people's thoughts and musings, it just goes to show how perfect of an episode that was. You could interpret Nora's story to be her story, her battle with the loss of her family and whether it was real or not and it would fit in just fine with that interpretation. Man what an amazing season that was. Super bummed there isn't anymore left.
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Wonder if they'll frame it all up as the people we've been watching for three seasons are actually the ones who vanished?
With Nora's revelation, this essentially happened. However you explain it....the people we've watched for the last three years vanished for those who they'd thought had vanished.
Very interesting.
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I had a feeling the series would end with a more low key episode, the second last being the big weird bang, so I thought the finale was very satisfying.
I also like that they didn't show anything that Nora was talking about, so that it could be either true or false. The scene with her getting into the machine was really tense though. Quite scary.
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I also like that they didn't show anything that Nora was talking about, so that it could be either true or false. The scene with her getting into the machine was really tense though. Quite scary.
Absolutely. The entire lead up to her getting into the canister was awesome. Her re-take of her video....her conversation with Matt....her reactions and emotion walking down the runway and when the liquid began to fill....it was all incredible.
And I love the fact that they left it up to us to determine whether or not she was truthful or not. The series largest skeptic 'confirming' that those who left them were in deed 'alive' somewhere else....that's Biblical in itself (Saul becoming Paul)...but the fact that they didn't cut to scenes of her traveling home or seeing her kids all grown was WAY more powerful than if they had.
It'll be neat to re-watch this series in a year or two.
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The episode also somewhat mirrors the walking up to the canister later when she's older and taking a bath in the tub. It echoed her getting into the bubble and curling up and being trapped when she had to force open that door. I think the angles they showed reflected that.
I see a lot of debate online whether she was telling the truth or just made it up and it comes with plenty of excellent support for both sides.
I myself choose to believe that she was telling the truth.
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The episode also somewhat mirrors the walking up to the canister later when she's older and taking a bath in the tub. It echoed her getting into the bubble and curling up and being trapped when she had to force open that door. I think the angles they showed reflected that.
I see a lot of debate online whether she was telling the truth or just made it up and it comes with plenty of excellent support for both sides.
I myself choose to believe that she was telling the truth.
They've been great at that type of 'hidden' cinematography and connection the entire series. It's one of the aspects I love most about the show....the fact that every scene, the positioning of the characters....their surroundings etc. 'means' something more.
I too believe she was telling the truth.
I'm left curious though about Kevin. The dude survived multiple drownings, a point blank gun shot to the abdomen, lethal poisoning....I mean...he just couldn't die. Did it all just 'end' for him after his final conflict within? Him relenting and allowing himself to love Nora. As has been suggested...was all that 'afterlife' stuff just his own internal struggle and battle? Part of me says it was but part of me still thinks it was a bit more grand than that. Either way...it was very well done.
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I think that's the only part of the show where I wish they told us more. Like you mentioned Kevin has all these crazy things done to him yet he's like a cat and keeps living. Maybe the answers are already there in the episodes and I haven't connected with it. I wouldn't mind so much if it was just Kevin who drowned and choked, etc.. but he was shot at and poisoned as well so to survive both of those I'd have like some more info.
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I've been on the fence about Nora's truth/lie. Knowing she has a track record of lying throughout the series, I am leaning more towards the conclusion that she lied. At the same time though, she could very well be telling the truth. I guess I'm just having trouble finding the logic in her getting this one guy to build a whole machine just to send her back. Personally, I believe she backed out and got out of the machine (We don't really know if it even works or not, despite the "fossil".) due to fear. I don't necessarily think she was scared of being zapped into this "new place", but she was scared of what she would see. She told Matt before she got into the machine that he could tell people whatever he wanted in terms of what happened to her. I feel like she decided to change her name and live on her own, and Matt covered for her. Not that anyone was probably looking for her (other than Kevin), but she probably wanted to avoid the embarrassment. She was conflicted through the whole series so I think it's definitely plausible she backed out of it. At the end when she told Kevin, I look at that as her telling a story that she wanted to believe in order for her to want to get over her family. Kevin believed her (or he says he did), but I guess whether or not she was telling the truth was not important in that he found her and they were together again. I, too, love the laid back feel of the finale. Episode 7 was incredibly intense and I just felt at peace throughout the finale (though I thought Kevin had alzheimer's or something for a while)
This series was incredible and sits at the top as my favorite show of all time. I've seen some episodes of season 3 several times but I'd love to watch the whole season again without having to wait for the weekly episodes. Season 2 was my favorite and may still be, but I'm not sure. Each season really is so different and I love that. This show even inspired my thesis idea!
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Haven't read any discussion other than here, so I'm not familiar with all the evidence for and against the debated topics. But I have formed opinions about it over the last few days.
Despite really wanting what Nora said to be true, I don't think it was. I feel like if traveling between the different worlds or whatever was possible, that would have been known by now. People would be crossing over left and right if it could be proven by sending people back from the other side.
I do however believe that the place Kevin went to was real, but that it was only relevant to his internal struggles, not anything big like saving the world or being the new Jesus.
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I agree
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I agree
Yeah, the more I think about it the more I completely agree with BlackInk's position. I really 'want' Nora's story to be true....for her...and for all the others but it doesn't seem to fit in the vein of the show. We've seen the lengths she went to to 'feel' and to deal with the loss....I could totally buy into that she simply pulled a Yoda and sentenced herself to a life of isolation and through that reasoned out the story that she told Kevin...to the point that it really is 'true' as far as she's concerned.
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Pretty much. I've been looking on reddit and other sites and there's a lot of speculation on whether or not she told the truth, so that's pretty cool. Seems to be getting a lot of buzz, and I actually feel like this show will become a bit more popular as time passes.