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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: ToT-147 on August 31, 2015, 05:37:42 PM
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Indeed!.. :rollin :lol
During Instrumedley (Ytse Jam section) JR gives the kick off under MP's command (as usual :lol) and then the Johns start to pass the ball each other.. Well, at least this got my attention for the country I'm from (Argentina: Maradona, Messi, yes, all that :P)..
https://youtu.be/WqsFMghG_NU
AND, also this is the first video I upload in about a year... so, there you have..
Since we're on it, do you remember anything like this?.. I mean, some unpredictable stuff like this?, which, OTOH, are not that unpredictable when we're talking about them.. :lol
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Actually, I think they are playing soccer, not football.
But yeah...
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It's not like they use their feet in anyway during "American Football"
So the term is correct.
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Hahaha.. :lol
Yeah, both of you are right.. But I changed it anyway.. Argentinian mistake.. Here we call it "fútbol" (as for "foot-ball")
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It's called football everywhere, except where the sport of hand-egg is called football.
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It's not like they use their feet in anyway during "American Football"
So the term is correct.
It's called football because that's they distance between the offense and defense at the line of scrimmage.
Anyway, that video is great and it's things like this that make them such a unique band.
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hahahaha it seemed like they were in a game show and Portnoy was the host :lol
Weeeelcome to DTMania!!
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It's not like they use their feet in anyway during "American Football"
So the term is correct.
It's called football because that's they distance between the offense and defense at the line of scrimmage.
Lol, no. It's called football because like soccer (which is a slurred version of "association football ") and rugby (which is really just "football according to the rules in the city of Rugby"), American Football originated in England, but was eventually modified to virtually drop all involvement of feet. If you look at Gaelic football, you can see an interesting hybrid between the two.
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I remember my chemistry professor last year talking about seeing this at the Tabernacle back on this tour. He thought it was the coolest thing
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Actually, I think they are playing soccer, not football.
But yeah...
(https://imgur.com/PfVPA.jpg)
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If you look at Gaelic football, you can see an interesting hybrid between the two.
Thanks for the data.. I checked it out, it's amazing!..
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I don't know what's more awesome. This or Mangini and LaBrie singing Sometimes When We Touch. :lol
Crazy things happen in South America.
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It's called football everywhere, except where the sport of hand-egg is called football.
Yup.
Bosk1 you stubborn man you. :lol
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It's not like they use their feet in anyway during "American Football"
So the term is correct.
Incorrect, kicking the football is used in American Football and is integral to the game, not the same way it is in soccer and also not the reason it is called football, but felt I should make the factual correction here.
Anyway, carry on.
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It's ''football'' in most of the world. It's ''soccer'' in Murrica. Therefore, no, ''football'' is not incorrect at all.
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Crazy things happen in South America.
Only that this one was in Baltimore, USA.. For that tour they weren't here.. :'(
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(https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/jets-kicker-jay-feely-kicks-field-goal-against-cincinnati-bengals.jpg)
Football.
And he only gets one try to get it ten feet up in the air and through a space thinner than an association football goal. While 1.9m 90+kg men rush at him to try and block it. After that kneeling guy has to catch a ball—that someone else threw 7 meters between his own legs—and put it down in just the right way within a split second. The kicker is the player who most often is responsible for the single mistake that causes a loss. He only occasionally gets to be the hero, and if he misses one at the wrong time... they'll remember him forever (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Right_I). He's the most important individual player out there.
You know what, though, I really don't care what sport you call football, but the "hand egg" stuff is just... It's like calling hockey "ice stick" or tennis "sieve ball." It's either "football," "American football" or "gridiron football." The other one is either "football," "association football" or "soccer." Wikipedia, an international website, uses "American football" and "Association football." Honestly, these two sports can pretty easily share the football name in international conversations.
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Actually, I think they are playing soccer, not football.
But yeah...
Shame on you for derailing this thread i'm just joking, don't ban me plz
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"The word "football", when used in reference to a specific game can mean any one of those described above. Because of this, much friendly controversy has occurred over the term football, primarily because it is used in different ways in different parts of the English-speaking world. Most often, the word "football" is used to refer to the code of football that is considered dominant within a particular region. So, effectively, what the word "football" means usually depends on where one says it.
Association football is simply known as football in most countries, except where other codes of football are dominant. Examples of such countries include the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, where it is known as soccer. American football is always football in the United States. In francophone Quebec, where Canadian football is more popular, the Canadian code is known as football while American football is known as Football américain and association football is known as le soccer."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football#Use_of_the_word_.22football.22
Yes, carry on.
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If that occurred in Baltimore, in the USA, the correct term is soccer.
If it happened in Italy (or, really, practically anywhere else in the world), the correct term would be football.
But in the end, who cares? It's DT being goofy on stage.
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Also, this forum and the band are from USA... and I guess the vast majority of the DTF members are from there too, so... But I liked the unexpected debate about the word.. Matter of semantics, I suppose..
Either way, to go back to topic, here's the entire show, if you want to see it.. The link shows the end of Instrumedley, where Portnoy plays a little bit with the ball.. Or at least he tries.. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzeqxhWgtZE&feature=youtu.be&t=3494
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This reminded me of a joke from Sports show with Norm Macdonald: "Why do English people call it football if they play it with a soccer ball?" :lol
Nice footage, by the way.
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Actually, I think they are playing soccer, not football.
But yeah...
(https://imgur.com/PfVPA.jpg)
Can't wait for week 8, Seattle Seahawks at Dallas! I would like to see those teams meet in the NFC championship,,
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What was the point of that backdrop on the Six Degrees tour? All footage I see of the concerts, there is nothing ever on it--I thought it was a screen.
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And he only gets one try to get it ten feet up in the air and through a space thinner than an association football goal. While 1.9m 90+kg men rush at him to try and block it. After that kneeling guy has to catch a ball—that someone else threw 7 meters between his own legs—and put it down in just the right way within a split second. The kicker is the player who most often is responsible for the single mistake that causes a loss. He only occasionally gets to be the hero, and if he misses one at the wrong time... they'll remember him forever (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Right_I). He's the most important individual player out there.
I don't think anybody is disputing the athletic aspect of American football. But it's neither called football because of the scrimmage line distance, nor because there's *some* kicking involved that can be crucial to the game. It's simply called football because it actually *used* to be a foot-dominated sport way back when in England. Just as the ball *used* to be round.
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So you are saying that American football has evolved from a prior football species.
Sounds OK to me.
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Exactly. American Football, deprived of genetic diversity, quickly resorted to incest, and thus accumulated a ton of harmful mutation, making it look like Chunk from the Goonies.
:biggrin:
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That would explain the big pile ups they have.
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Here in Brazil, the only translation we have for both Soccer and Football is "Futebol".
So:
Soccer = Futebol
Football = Futebol, but we can call it Futebol Americano (American Football, obviously) too.
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I like where this thread went.
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I don't think anybody is disputing the athletic aspect of American football. But it's neither called football because of the scrimmage line distance, nor because there's *some* kicking involved that can be crucial to the game. It's simply called football because it actually *used* to be a foot-dominated sport way back when in England. Just as the ball *used* to be round.
I didn't dispute that. I just pointed out the absolutely vital role played by the kicker, which is anathema to the "hurr durr do they even use feet lol shud be girl so witty" argument.
Also, a ball that isn't round is still a ball. Not an egg.
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Crazy things happen in South America.
Only that this one was in Baltimore, USA.. For that tour they weren't here.. :'(
Oh, I was confused. Hahaha
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Also, a ball that isn't round is still a ball. Not an egg.
Eat my eggs and balls :rollin
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Also, a ball that isn't round is still a ball. Not an egg.
Ehhh, gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Several reasons:
- Hand someone an egg, and have them describe the shape. I bet you they will not say "it's shaped like a ball".
- I think if you asked people to list key aspects of balls, they will say "spherical" and "it rolls". Neither apply to the inflated egg.
I think it's just the same as with the "foot" part. Historically it *was* a ball indeed, but it changed shape to no longer really be a ball, but it's just continued to be called that way. I mean, it's the same with skeet shooting, where the objects still are called "pigeons". Can a disk-shaped object thus be a pigeon? Not really. It's just that because of history, people continue to use the term.
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Oxford English Dictionary (https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/14903?rskey=0lXygN&result=1#eid): "A solid or hollow spherical or egg-shaped object which is thrown, kicked, hit, or otherwise propelled in a game."
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Yes, but the dictionary definition of "pigeon" also includes clay objects. Dictionary definitions will (obviously) include common uses of things that refer to the original meaning. E.g. the definition of "nose" includes "front of an airplane ". That doesn't mean the front of an airplane *is* a nose.
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(https://cdn3.list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Slide353.jpg)
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:rollin
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Yes, but the dictionary definition of "pigeon" also includes clay objects. Dictionary definitions will (obviously) include common uses of things that refer to the original meaning. E.g. the definition of "nose" includes "front of an airplane ". That doesn't mean the front of an airplane *is* a nose.
Whatever it might have been called historically, it's called a ball today. Any American you ask would identify a football as a ball. And the OED, a British dictionary, considers a football a ball. It really seems bizarre to dispute that. What other word would you even use? The word "egg" is far worse fitting than the word "ball," by your argument, since going to a stricter definition of "egg" gives you something (https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/59878?rskey=VeAG2z&result=1&isAdvanced=false#eid) like "The (more or less) spheroidal body produced by the female of birds and other animal species, and containing the germ of a new individual, enclosed within a shell or firm membrane."
I get finding the word "foot" odd, but the word "ball," I do not get. The thing is so obviously a ball. I don't even get how that's in dispute. It's what it is in colloquial definition, it's what the OED calls it, there isn't a better word for it... it's a ball. Maybe people ask about the word "foot" are genuinely confused, since kicking is a relatively small part of the game. But when you dispute the word "ball," I have to assume you're just being contentious for the sake of being contentious.
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Speaking of which.... https://youtu.be/94cyJiETisE?t=70
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I get finding the word "foot" odd, but the word "ball," I do not get. The thing is so obviously a ball. I don't even get how that's in dispute. It's what it is in colloquial definition, it's what the OED calls it, there isn't a better word for it... it's a ball. Maybe people ask about the word "foot" are genuinely confused, since kicking is a relatively small part of the game. But when you dispute the word "ball," I have to assume you're just being contentious for the sake of being contentious.
I was mostly reacting to your overtly negative reaction to the "hand-egg" meme, which of course egged me on (yes, pun fully intended).
Even though, the fact that there *is* an internet meme that calls it hand-egg rather illustrates that to a LOT of people, an ovoid falls outside the definition of "ball".
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I was mostly reacting to your overtly negative reaction to the "hand-egg" meme, which of course egged me on (yes, pun fully intended).
Even though, the fact that there *is* an internet meme that calls it hand-egg rather illustrates that to a LOT of people, an ovoid falls outside the definition of "ball".
I don't think it illustrates that. I think it illustrates that some people want to mock American football. If you asked those people "seriously, what type of object do you think this is?" I would bet that almost all of them would say "a ball." I don't think any of them would seriously identify it as an egg. They're just picking up on the egg shape to use it in a joke.
Similarly, I would not seriously identify soccer as "a sport in which people kick a ball back and forth and mostly nothing else happens." I might say something like that as a joke, but that does not mean that I am seriously confused as to whether something besides kicking a ball back and forth happens in soccer.
If anyone *seriously* believes that a ball that isn't perfectly round isn't a ball, please, identify yourself and explain your perplexing school of thought.
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(https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/jets-kicker-jay-feely-kicks-field-goal-against-cincinnati-bengals.jpg)
Football.
And he only gets one try to get it ten feet up in the air and through a space thinner than an association football goal. While 1.9m 90+kg men rush at him to try and block it. After that kneeling guy has to catch a ball—that someone else threw 7 meters between his own legs—and put it down in just the right way within a split second. The kicker is the player who most often is responsible for the single mistake that causes a loss. He only occasionally gets to be the hero, and if he misses one at the wrong time... they'll remember him forever (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Right_I). He's the most important individual player out there.
You know what, though, I really don't care what sport you call football, but the "hand egg" stuff is just... It's like calling hockey "ice stick" or tennis "sieve ball." It's either "football," "American football" or "gridiron football." The other one is either "football," "association football" or "soccer." Wikipedia, an international website, uses "American football" and "Association football." Honestly, these two sports can pretty easily share the football name in international conversations.
As a Florida State fan, I hate this post :lol
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You know DT has reached a low point of fuck-all to discuss when we're discussing sport instead.
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When's the new album coming out?
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As a Florida State fan, I hate this post :lol
:-*
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You know DT has reached a low point of fuck-all to discuss when we're discussing sport instead.
Yup. I mean, there isn't even fumes left in the DT subforum tank. No news for a long time to come still, and the tour was an exercise in reproduction. The last interesting thing, the release of BTFW, happened last year in September.
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Hey, at least we got to have a conversation about what, precisely, constitutes a ball. Maybe we can define some words that are more closely related to the topic of Dream Theater. Such as "bass."
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Also, a ball that isn't round is still a ball. Not an egg.
Eat my eggs and balls :rollin
Maybe we can define some words that are more closely related to the topic of Dream Theater. Such as "bass."
Eat my bass and balls :lol
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What was the point of that backdrop on the Six Degrees tour? All footage I see of the concerts, there is nothing ever on it--I thought it was a screen.
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And the OED, a British dictionary, considers a football a ball.
Well, yes, although I expect that's mostly due to rugby (which also gets called a ball). So although I agree that in any other context people consider balls to be spherical, those egg-shaped things are still called balls.
But that's irrelevant to the fact that American football is not football.
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hopeless, the lot of yous
correct terms -
fitba'
rugby
that superbowl pish
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And the OED, a British dictionary, considers a football a ball.
Well, yes, although I expect that's mostly due to rugby (which also gets called a ball). So although I agree that in any other context people consider balls to be spherical, those egg-shaped things are still called balls.
But that's irrelevant to the fact that American football is not football.
D'oh!
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You know DT has reached a low point of fuck-all to discuss when we're discussing sport instead.
Yeah, I mean...every song, album, show, member and nuance has been discussed to death.
Without any new music, you talk football instead.
GO 49ers! *hides*
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And the OED, a British dictionary, considers a football a ball.
Well, yes, although I expect that's mostly due to rugby (which also gets called a ball). So although I agree that in any other context people consider balls to be spherical, those egg-shaped things are still called balls.
Maybe in Europe. But trust me, in America, absolutely no one would specifically define a ball as being only spherical.
But that's irrelevant to the fact that American football is not football.
It's both or neither. It can be gridiron and soccer, if you want. :biggrin:
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I hate that this has turned into a Europe vs. America thread...but as long as it is I just want to say:
Canadian Football for the win!
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I hate that this has turned into a Europe vs. America thread...but as long as it is I just want to say:
Canadian Football for the win!
You can't escape that debate when you use the word football when it involves europeans and americans.
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To be honest I didn't even read this whole thread. I literally just popped in to say i prefer Canadian football over american or European football (I'm American btw). I'm not joking. Even most canadians dont agree with me.
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To be honest I didn't even read this whole thread. I literally just popped in to say i prefer Canadian football over american or European football (I'm American btw). I'm not joking. Even most canadians dont agree with me.
This is a first.
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I can only watch Canadian football for a few minutes before I have to stop.