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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Kotowboy on August 11, 2015, 01:26:48 PM
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Remakes ! Reboots ! NEW TIMELINES !!!!11111 AND Sequels!!!!
I actually quite liked Robocop 2014. But Total Recall 2012 was utter pony.
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I really hate remakes. But I have one that I really liked and I feel like I'm the only one.
I really liked Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes movie. And Tim Roth freakin OWNED that bad guy roll (name slips my mind at the moment...it's late, I'm too tired to look, and it's been a few years since I last watched it). It's totally apples and oranges to the original, and the new series is better....but as its own entity I thought it was pretty awesome. (and Helena Bonham Carter is so hot, she even looked good as an ape. lol )
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If nothing else, the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes movie gets a huge pass from me for the sole fact that the apes aren't CGI but actual people in costumes. And REALLY well designed costumes at that.
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The makeup effects are the only positive I can find with that movie. The fact the other humans could talk made no sense to the premise, and the ending was so predictable.
Thank god they got it right with the new ones. That's a reboot/remake done right, that respected the franchise by doing its own thing.
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I've never had a problem with the idea of remakes or reboots since we still have the originals, and even making 2 remakes doesn't remove the quality of the original. With that said, few remakes actually turn out good though. One remake that I like that I can think of is Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead. A really good movie.
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I thought that the movie version of Red Dragon was better than Manhunter. It had a much deeper cast (Norton, Hopkins, P.S. Hoffman, Keitel, Fiennes, etc., compared to Peterson, Cox, no-name, Farina, and no-name) and an ending closer to the novel's. Yet for some reason, critics love Manhunter and give Red Dragon middling reviews.
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That's because Manhunter was better than Red Dragon.
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Ronda Rousey to be cast in reboot/remake of Road House.
Wonder if they'll keep the line, "I thought you'd be bigger".
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I just heard the are remaking Scarface with Leonardo Decaprio as the lead. WTF??????????????
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Ronda Rousey to be cast in reboot/remake of Road House.
Wonder if they'll keep the line, "I thought you'd be bigger".
probably the actual only reason she's being used.....is for that line. And I guess cuz she's hot and popular right now.
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I'm not sure that's a movie that needs a remake.
But at least she's a legitimate badass.
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I read earlier that there will be a Godzilla vs. King Kong movie coming out. Is that a remake?
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I read earlier that there will be a Godzilla vs. King Kong movie coming out. Is that a remake?
Well, there WAS a King Kong vs. Godzilla film in the 60s, but I sincerely doubt this rumored new one will be a remake of that one. Because it completely sucked.
The idea of it was much better than the film itself.
Also, if they go with the current US film incarnation of Godzilla, they will have to give Kong some serious steroids, or it will be closer to this classic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wUdetAAlY).
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Memento to be remade...
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/remake-of-christopher-nolans-memento-in-development-20151116#ixzz3rhvXoYZT
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^ Recently heard about this as well. What the fuck...
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^ Recently heard about this as well. What the fuck...
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I had to bring this to the intrawebz.
I saw the trailer for Point Break, and thought, "Who's playing P Swayz? What's next, remake Road House?" If they remade Road House, should the same guy get the role? With all the remakes and reboots, multiple movies from the same actor/actress are inevitable. Should the same person just take over?
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I just heard the are remaking Scarface with Leonardo Decaprio as the lead. WTF??????????????
I can see it. There are two movie versions of Scarface. The original was made in 1932 starring Paul Muni, and then the 1983 remake with Al Pacino.
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I had to bring this to the intrawebz.
I saw the trailer for Point Break, and thought, "Who's playing P Swayz? What's next, remake Road House?" If they remade Road House, should the same guy get the role? With all the remakes and reboots, multiple movies from the same actor/actress are inevitable. Should the same person just take over?
Rounda Rousey is starring in the Roadhouse remake.
And to answer your question, no.
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So that new National Lampoon's Vacation movie with Ed Helms.
I heard that IN THE MOVIE ITSELF they reference the original movie AS A MOVIE ??? And Chevy Chase IS IN THIS NEW ONE AS CLARK GRISWOLD !!
I bet whoever wrote that thought they were being really " Meta " and clever. . .
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i don't remember them referencing it as a movie, they just referenced the events of the first film as the 'original vacation', so it was basically them talking about why this is different than the original movie without outright saying it
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Maybe. I was listening to a review of it that said it.
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Bowie dies, Labyrinth gets reboot.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/david-bowies-labyrinth-get-reboot-858487
sadness all over again.
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Came here to post that.
FUCK YOU Hollywood. For fuck's sake... ::)
I seem to remember Robin Williams had been dead like 5 minutes before they announced a Jumanji remake.
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Apparently it's not a remake. It's actually being called a sequel.
https://geeknation.com/they-are-making-a-labyrinth-sequel-and-im-sorry/
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It needs to be as a tribute and not just cashing in on his death.
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Indeed. I'm guessing we'll see more about what's going on as the script and production develops.
I saw the original in the movie theater when it first came out.
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Predator Sequel coming.
I've never seen any of them. I saw a bit of the last one - "Predators" but couldn't take Adrien Brody seriously as a tough guy. :P
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Predator Sequel coming.
I've never seen any of them. I saw a bit of the last one - "Predators" but couldn't take Adrien Brody seriously as a tough guy. :P
Damn it, Chino!
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Predator Sequel coming.
I've never seen any of them. I saw a bit of the last one - "Predators" but couldn't take Adrien Brody seriously as a tough guy. :P
You should see the first one. Maybe the 2nd one if you really want to see more about the Predator society. You can ignore everything else.
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Predator Sequel coming.
I've never seen any of them. I saw a bit of the last one - "Predators" but couldn't take Adrien Brody seriously as a tough guy. :P
First Predator is a classic! Would definitely be up there among the best action films ever, in my top 5 at least. (The only 3 I could think of that I would rate higher would be Terminator 2, Die Hard & The Matrix) The second one is alright but not as good as the first obviously. Substituting Arnold for Danny Glover feels a bit eh, it has some redeemable qualities, but overall the biggest strength of the original, the isolation, fear of the unknown is completely gone, and by setting the sequel in the middle of a big city, you kinda lose that. The AvP films were not good, and I didn't really care much for the Predators reboot/sequel with Brody.
Really hyped for the sequel since Shane Black is attached to direct it.
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Everyone should watch the first Predator.
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Predator is one of those movies I've always really wanted to watch but for some reason never have. I should do it right now for you, DTF.
I'm still probably never watching an Alien movie though.
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You should definitely watch Predator. It's great in that 80's action movie way. Plus Arnold.
Also, the first two Alien movies are actually quite good.
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You should definitely watch Predator. It's great in that 80's action movie way. Plus Arnold.
All you needed to say was "Arnold". :lol
I've never watched the original Total Recall either. Jebus, how does this happen?
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I've never watched the original Total Recall either. Jebus, how does this happen?
This must also be rectified. You know there's a woman with three boobs in it, right?!
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Everyone should watch the first Predator.
Yeah, the first one was good. After that...not so much.
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I've never watched the original Total Recall either. Jebus, how does this happen?
This must also be rectified. You know there's a woman with three boobs in it, right?!
Do I know it has a three boob woman in it? I have the internet, don't I? :lol
That would be a yes.
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I might be biased since Arnold is somewhat of a childhood hero and someone I still look up to in many ways, but Total Recall is another classic. If I had to rank his films, I'd probably put both of them in his top3 after T2.
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I also like True Lies, but more for Tom Arnold than for Arnold Swarzenegger.
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I love True Lies.
James Cameron knows how to make fun movies with great visuals.
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So did anyone actually see the Point Break remake? Is it any good?
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So did anyone actually see the Point Break remake? Is it any good?
I am also interested in the answer to this.
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So did anyone actually see the Point Break remake? Is it any good?
No. And from what I've read, no.
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From the trailers - all they've done is ramp up the thrill seeking aspect of it and completely erase the bromance aspect of it.
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I seem to recall from the trailers that they added something to the story... but I can't remember what. I remember watching the trailer for a while before realising that it was Point Break because they emphasized that other story element. Oh well. It goes into the "wait to see it on cable" category.
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AFAIK, the major difference in the remake is that instead of just skydiving and surfing, it included a ton of "extreme" sports, not just those original two.
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Oh and now the Swayze character is now the brunette and the Keanu character is blond :lol
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Speaking of Arnold.....
Kindergarten Cop 2 with Dolph Lundgren, folks.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2AZnu-V7ro
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Speaking of Arnold.....
Kindergarten Cop 2 with Dolph Lundgren, folks.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2AZnu-V7ro
:rollin OMFG that looks like it cost £10,000 and was filmed in a weekend.
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Just no.
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I won't even look.
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The original is such a nice little film, I don't get why they make a sequel 25 years later AND without Arnold. This looks terrible.
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The original is such a nice little film, I don't get why they make a sequel 25 years later AND without Arnold. This looks terrible.
I don't get why terrible straight to DVD comedy sequels have garish neon and ridiculously over saturated primary colours.
It happens so often. Do they think it makes the film look more expensive than it is ?
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Wait, that movie is going to be a real thing? It's not just a spoof trailer made for Youtube? :facepalm:
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Commandant Lassard actor George Gaynes has died aged 98.
Hopefully no more Police Academy movies.
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I love True Lies.
James Cameron knows how to make fun movies with great visuals.
I also like True Lies, but more for Tom Arnold than for Arnold Swarzenegger.
I'll take True Lies over Terminator anytime. Tom Arnold is hysterical in this. His stand-up in general is great, too, especially when he starts tearing apart Roseanne.
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I thought Tom Arnold was great in True Lies. I'm not a big Tom Arnold fan, but he was perfect for that role.
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"Hiding" behind the pole while being shot at = priceless.
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"Hiding" behind the pole while being shot at = priceless.
It's as if he was being shot at by stormtroopers.
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lol
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new Ghostbusters trailer is out. Looks as bad as I imagined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ugHP-yZXw
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Yeah. If the funniest stuff is in the trailer, they're really in trouble.
The update on the theme tune was ok, and the VFX look great, but this looks like a shitty unnecessary movie.
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There were funny parts?
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Exactly.
I'M WEARING A SILLY HAT AND WIG
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I hate how it's all " Um. Why not have a Ghostbusters movie with all women ? Equality ! Don't be Sexist ! "
Then all the promo pics i've seen are all the leads in really sexual poses.
So it's clearly just to get up people's noses when they could have made their own film with the same cast.
You can't bang on about equality and then have your all female cast act overly sexy in promo pics...
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I'm not really a Ghostbusters fan (I might have seen the original as a kid, but nothing I remember), so going into this without any nostalgic feelings or anything... it looks painfully mediocre. No fun moments at all in the trailer.
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I hate how it's all " Um. Why not have a Ghostbusters movie with all women ? Equality ! Don't be Sexist ! "
Then all the promo pics i've seen are all the leads in really sexual poses.
So it's clearly just to get up people's noses when they could have made their own film with the same cast.
You can't bang on about equality and then have your all female cast act overly sexy in promo pics...
I have a feeling you missed the intended irony.
That said, this movie looks awful.
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I have faith in the cast and Director, Paul Feig, on this one. His track record is great and the concept is a proven winner. I think it will be excellent, but totally different than the original. The major difference (besides the sex of the characters) will be the pace and action. The original movie had tons of dialogue that took time to set up the ghostbusters and had little action before the final scene. This movie looks like the 2010's super hero version of the original. The jokes will be there, but the action will be over-the-top and often.
-Tof
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:| <--- me the whole time watching that trailer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ugHP-yZXw
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Watched it a second time, anyone else notice the big electronic billboard of a twinkie in time's square?
Probably the best callback in the trailer.
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looks like it could be alright
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Looks a bit better than I expected but still not interested.
I predict a maximum of $350m worldwide.
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I think it might make around $500m, just based on the name. I'd be surprised if it made much more than that though.
Today my brother mentioned it and said we'd go and see it, and my response was-
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The original Ghostbusters is one of my all-time favorite films.
I will not be giving this version any of my money.
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The original Ghostbusters is one of my all-time favorite films.
I will not be giving this version any of my money.
Exactly this.
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Indiana Jones 5 confirmed. No George Lucas though.
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Yep, I read that earlier.
Cool, I guess. Hope it's better than the last one.
But it's not a reboot or a remake. Just a sequel.
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I never saw the fourth one, and I'm not quite sure I want to. 1 & 3 are two of the best movies ever made, so I really don't want to be disappointed, which I probably will be.
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You can't live life like that John. Sure it's not as good but it's still not bad. The story line is a little out there but so was the first one. Like Hef said it's not as good as the other 3 but it's still good.
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I enjoy the fourth Indie movie. It's my least favorite of the four, easily, but it's not that bad. It just has bad parts.
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I enjoy the fourth Indie movie. It's my least favorite of the four, easily, but it's not that bad. It just has bad parts.
Exactly.
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I just thought it wasn't worth the effort to make a fourth film if THAT was the fucking fourth film we got.
Yeah, it's OK, I guess, but it's so much less than the first three I didn't see the point.
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I'll take LaBouf swinging with monkeys and bad Russian accents over "MR. JONES MR. JONES" and an annoying woman screaming and whining in every scene she's in.
The biggest problem with Crystal Skull is that it's boring, and that's still better than annoying. The Temple of Doom is pretty boring too though.
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I just thought it wasn't worth the effort to make a fourth film if THAT was the fucking fourth film we got.
Yeah, it's OK, I guess, but it's so much less than the first three I didn't see the point.
Eh, I didn't put any effort into making it, so what the heck. Then again, while I like the first three, I didn't grow up watching them or anything, so they don't mean as much to me as they seem to do to some people.
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I only discovered Monty Python and the Holy Grail in the early 2000s, so I certainly didn't grow up with that, but I still love that movie. It varies I suppose.
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Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a fun time. The characters are older, but they joke about it. The callbacks make sense, and fit the story. And I for one didn't have any problem with the story. It's outrageous and ridiculous, as it should be in an Indiana Jones movie. Aliens? Cool. If people didn't have trouble with a magic box that could melt the faces off of Nazis, why have a problem with aliens?
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Will Indy be using a walker or a cane?
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Spoiler: Mutt (Shia LeBeouf) stabs him with his fencing sword.
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IJ4 was great fun up until the end at that... fortress, or whatever it was. My biggest issue with it is that the "MacGuffin' is the weakest part of the story, and by far the least interesting MacGuffin of the 4 IJ films.
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they re-made "Ben-Hur"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLJdzky63BA
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They turned an iconic classic movie into generic Hollywood fare, at least judging from the trailer. Ugh.
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" Ben Hur , Done That "
:rollin :clap:
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Ben-Hur is one of my favorite movies. I jumped on the Extra Special Collector's Edition Blu-ray or whatever they call it, and I'm glad I did. Every once in a while, I pull it out and watch the chariot race in Extrasuperfuckingwidevision. It's glorious.
That said, after watching it all the way through once, I probably won't again, at least for a while. I'd forgotten how "epic" the movie really is. There's a lot of story, a lot of setup for the initial conflict between Judah and Messala, the slave years, the battle at sea, the escape, the redemption, the chariot race... It's a huge movie, and if someone has decided to trim it down a bit, then that's not necessarily a bad idea. From the trailer, you can see that they've kept all of the key plot points, and at least a passing reference to the Christian angle (remember that the full title of both the book and the movie is "Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ"), so I'm not writing this off quite yet.
Also, remember that the epic 1959 version with Charleton Heston was a remake as well. Lew Wallace did the screenplay for both the 1959 version and the original 1925 version.
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they re-made "Ben-Hur"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLJdzky63BA
Well it was nice of them to show us the whole movie in the trailer, now I can just skip it.
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MacGuyver is being rebooted.
Make it stop.
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Let me guess: with an all-female cast?
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McGirlver?
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lol
Anyone excited about the Rock's Baywatch reboot?
While obviously unnecessary, I can almost guarantee it will be better than the original show.
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As long as it has the outrageous plot ideas of the tv show with lifeguards defusing a nuclear bomb while fighting terrorists.
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lol
Anyone excited about the Rock's Baywatch reboot?
While obviously unnecessary, I can almost guarantee it will be better than the original show.
It doesn't have Pamela Anderson in her prime running in slow motion on the beach to music by Jimi Jamison. There's no way it can beat the original. Especially if it has the Rock in it.
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Some people stand in the darkness. Afraid to come into the light.
Now I know why Blob never liked Baywatch ! :neverusethis:
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It doesn't have Pamela Anderson in her prime running in slow motion on the beach to music by Jimi Jamison. There's no way it can beat the original. Especially if it has the Rock in it.
(https://a54.idata.over-blog.com/473x276/5/96/77/93/Articles-Molka/the-rock-driving.jpg)
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All we need is the Rock in the Borat bathing suit running down the beach in slow motion.
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Well, it would be more captivating than Borat doing so.
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I'd be okay with that...
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I'd be okay with that...
With Borat or the Rock?
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I'd be okay with that...
With Borat or the Rock?
The Rock in the Borat bathing suit!
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:zydar:
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The Rock as Pamela Anderson.
Pamela Anderson as David Hasselhoff
Rob Schneider as Hobie.
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lol
Anyone excited about the Rock's Baywatch reboot?
While obviously unnecessary, I can almost guarantee it will be better than the original show.
It doesn't have Pamela Anderson in her prime running in slow motion on the beach to music by Jimi Jamison. There's no way it can beat the original. Especially if it has the Rock in it.
But it does have Alexandra Daddario in her prime. All natural baby!
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Rob Schneider as Pamela Anderson.
Rob Schneider as David Hasselhoff
Rob Schneider as The Rock
Rob Schneider as Hobie.
Yes please.
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lol
Anyone excited about the Rock's Baywatch reboot?
While obviously unnecessary, I can almost guarantee it will be better than the original show.
It doesn't have Pamela Anderson in her prime running in slow motion on the beach to music by Jimi Jamison. There's no way it can beat the original. Especially if it has the Rock in it.
But it does have Alexandra Daddario in her prime. All natural baby!
It's hard to argue against that one.
Hard in my pants.
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lol
Anyone excited about the Rock's Baywatch reboot?
While obviously unnecessary, I can almost guarantee it will be better than the original show.
It doesn't have Pamela Anderson in her prime running in slow motion on the beach to music by Jimi Jamison. There's no way it can beat the original. Especially if it has the Rock in it.
But it does have Alexandra Daddario in her prime. All natural baby!
She is wonderful.
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Well, let's see. She already did San Andreas with The Rock. Even when she's walking at a normal pace, not even briskly, it looks like she's gonna knock herself out with a boob uppercut. High hopes for some slo-mo running :hat.
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Well, let's see. She already did San Andreas with The Rock. Even when she's walking at a normal pace, not even briskly, it looks like she's gonna knock herself out with a boob uppercut. High hopes for some slo-mo running :hat.
Just use a media player that allows you to slow down the frame. ;)
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Quicktime Player allows you to progress a frame at a time.
:emo: i totally don't use it to watch the crash scene in Star trek into Darkness.
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lol
Anyone excited about the Rock's Baywatch reboot?
While obviously unnecessary, I can almost guarantee it will be better than the original show.
It doesn't have Pamela Anderson in her prime running in slow motion on the beach to music by Jimi Jamison. There's no way it can beat the original. Especially if it has the Rock in it.
But it does have Alexandra Daddario in her prime. All natural baby!
She is wonderful.
"I wonder if those are real" is the not what "wonderful" means, Hef.
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She's still wonderful. And they appear to be real.
Another actress I fancy is Carla Gugino. So yeah, San Andreas was kind of awesome.
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She's still wonderful. And they appear to be real.
Another actress I fancy is Carla Gugino. So yeah, San Andreas was kind of awesome.
Carla Gugino is beautiful. You should have seen her in Californication.
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I had to check to see that this Baywatch remake is actually real. Alas, it appears to be. I won't watch a second of it. But I will spend a few thinking about Nicole Eggert.
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I had to check to see that this Baywatch remake is actually real. Alas, it appears to be. I won't watch a second of it. But I will spend a few thinking about Nicole Eggert.
I loved when Nicole was on the show. Yes, I had posters of her on my wall.
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https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/701981-first-look-at-the-new-pennywise-from-stephen-kings-it
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I wouldn't categorize It as a remake. The Tim Curry version we all know and love was a miniseries that was aired on ABC. This one with Bill Skarsgard is the very first feature film adaptation of It. Funny how it still has lot to live up to!
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I have high hope for this. Easily the most scary book I've ever read.
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I wouldn't categorize It as a remake. The Tim Curry version we all know and love was a miniseries that was aired on ABC. This one with Bill Skarsgard is the very first feature film adaptation of It. Funny how it still has lot to live up to!
I've only ever known it as a movie.
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Well, this is interesting. It is my favorite book of all time, I read it at a very pivotal period in my life, and it has stuck wit me ever since. I thought the miniseries was decent, for a miniseries. It was well cast all around. Though it didn't feel right in places. I like the idea of the two movies, but It works best because it balances the narratives of the 7 as kids and as adults so well. I wonder how well the story can be told if it focuses first on them as kids and then as adults. Makes me think of watching Godfather pt 2 chronologically. It isn't as good of a narrative.
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Looks like "Splash" is being remade.
Saw this one in the theater back in '84 for a friends birthday party. We were supposed to see "Romancing the Stone" but it was sold out. Splash had boobs, so for a bunch of 11-year-old boys, we were okay with that.
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Magnificent Seven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RBA0xoaWU
I am not a big western fan, and don't rank this movie too highly, but I know it is held in high regards, so I hope this does it justice.
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That reminds me I have to see Seven Samurai.
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I tried watching that. There is something about that Japanese acting style that I can't stand. Same thing with Rashomon. I wish I could describe it.
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Aaaaand it continues
https://www.eonline.com/news/786711/the-one-problem-with-the-all-female-ocean-s-eleven-reboot
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Just read 'The Crow' is being reboot with Jason Mamoa as the lead. I don't hate the idea but reboots are tough.
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Aaaaand it continues
https://www.eonline.com/news/786711/the-one-problem-with-the-all-female-ocean-s-eleven-reboot
Awkwafina :lol
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Just read 'The Crow' is being reboot with Jason Mamoa as the lead. I don't hate the idea but reboots are tough.
In this case, The Crow is based on a comic book series, so it'll be easier to pull from source material
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I should follow up, now that I read that article all the way through (somehow..... the gushing and fawning was a bit ridiculous) that their main point is valid and one I've made myself. Instead of rebooting/remaking these movies and gravytraining on established franchises, make your own movies.
Isn't it time for women to get their own original scripts?
Just imagine what that would be like! Instead of just reusing old all-male material for today's female actors, think what the world could be like if writers and directors were making brand new movies for women. It would be a world full of Bridesmaids. Or a world full of The Heat. That is a world we'd like to live in.
Ok so the second half of that paragraph just shows how insane this writer is, but her point is still valid. Of course, that means studios will have to take a chance on something new, which they are loathe to do.
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Aaaaand it continues
https://www.eonline.com/news/786711/the-one-problem-with-the-all-female-ocean-s-eleven-reboot
I agree with the basic points they make about female (and male) casts. That said, having not seen any of the other movies in this franchise, I don't have a problem with this idea, I just think it's bad timing coming off the heels of the Ghostbusters thing. Or maybe that wasn't a coincidence.
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I should follow up, now that I read that article all the way through (somehow..... the gushing and fawning was a bit ridiculous) that their main point is valid and one I've made myself. Instead of rebooting/remaking these movies and gravytraining on established franchises, make your own movies.
Yeah, this. I'd like for them to stop trying to bank on famous titles and make new movies. Make a movie about a group of women robbing a bank or casino or something? Fine, great, do it. But call it "Ocean's"? Now suddenly I have a problem with it.
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They're screwed either way. If they make a heist film with a large cast, it will ultimately be compared to the "Ocean's" films. People will say that they just copied those films and remade them with an all female cast. They might get minor props for not calling it a remake, but will lose points for copying the concept.
One problem filmmakers face is that movies have been around for a long time now, and it's hard to come up with completely new, original ideas for films. Not films that have a pretty good chance of making big bucks anyway. Independent films with new and unusual premises come out all the time, but how many do you hear about? How many get big-studio releases?
I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Inception was a pretty wacky concept. What Dreams May Come, although that's a bit older even now. I'm just trying to think of films that really made me think "Wow, that's different." It doesn't happen a lot.
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I should follow up, now that I read that article all the way through (somehow..... the gushing and fawning was a bit ridiculous) that their main point is valid and one I've made myself. Instead of rebooting/remaking these movies and gravytraining on established franchises, make your own movies.
Yeah, this. I'd like for them to stop trying to bank on famous titles and make new movies. Make a movie about a group of women robbing a bank or casino or something? Fine, great, do it. But call it "Ocean's"? Now suddenly I have a problem with it.
This.
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Universal is going to remake Scarface...again! This could be good if it does what Brian de Palma's remake did in the 80s and reflect the time that it is being made. The original Howard Hawks film reflected the Prohibition era in Chicago with an Italian mob boss. De Palma's 80's remake with Pacino is the most famous one, which was set in Miami, and instead of alcohol, it was cocaine!
The new remake is supposed to set in LA and made by Training Day director Antione Fuqua, who is a hit or miss for me. I think everyone has in their head that the character is going to be Tony Montana, but I really hope it isn't. There could be gang member from Compton or a Mexican drug lord in LA named Tony that can continue the "Rise and Fall" aspect of its predecessors.
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There's a new Blair Witch coming out in September?
https://youtu.be/girSv9UH_V8
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I should follow up, now that I read that article all the way through (somehow..... the gushing and fawning was a bit ridiculous) that their main point is valid and one I've made myself. Instead of rebooting/remaking these movies and gravytraining on established franchises, make your own movies.
Yeah, this. I'd like for them to stop trying to bank on famous titles and make new movies. Make a movie about a group of women robbing a bank or casino or something? Fine, great, do it. But call it "Ocean's"? Now suddenly I have a problem with it.
I don't have a problem - and I don't think anyone should have a problem - with them making an female-led Ocean's film if it's a spin-off or sequel or whatever. The thing that irritated me about Ghostbusters was that it was a remake. Why? Why couldn't they tell a new story, set some years after the originals, with a group of new characters? Why tell the original story but change the men to women? That's lazy, whereas writing a new story set in that same franchise/fictional universe is entirely legit in my opinion.
So far, it's not clear which Ocean's Eight will be. If it's essentially a sequel, then I'm absolutely fine with that. If they go all Ghostbusters and essentially remake the original, then that's just dumb.
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Well there's only eight of them, so obviously it's a completely different story.
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I don't have a problem - and I don't think anyone should have a problem - with them making an female-led Ocean's film if it's a spin-off or sequel or whatever. The thing that irritated me about Ghostbusters was that it was a remake. Why? Why couldn't they tell a new story, set some years after the originals, with a group of new characters? Why tell the original story but change the men to women? That's lazy, whereas writing a new story set in that same franchise/fictional universe is entirely legit in my opinion.
So far, it's not clear which Ocean's Eight will be. If it's essentially a sequel, then I'm absolutely fine with that. If they go all Ghostbusters and essentially remake the original, then that's just dumb.
I actually agree with this. Someone I subscribe to on Youtube re-pitched the new Ghostbusters movie where the main women were like the daughters of the original crew. There was more to it than that, but it actually sounded interesting.
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Ghostbusters 2016 would have had less uproar I think if it was Ghostbusters 3 and the opening was the remaining original cast retiring and handing it over to the new cast.
Just flat out re-doing the first movie with new people is stupid. WHOEVER is in the cast.
OR
You have the same 4 female leads and make your own brand new IP.
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There's a new Blair Witch coming out in September?
https://youtu.be/girSv9UH_V8
Yes! I am so stoked about this. I've been a huge fan of these movies, even the pointless, yet entertaining, second movie. I became a bit obsessed with the movies. Years back I met a few people from the Blair Witch forums at the filming locations. We actually spent a night in the woods there. Even though it's completely fictional, the aura surrounding the films was enough to plant the seed to make the night a sleepless one.
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Somebody is making a "realistic" Power Rangers movie reboot, said a hilarious IGN article that I couldn't find a link to now.
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I don't have a problem - and I don't think anyone should have a problem - with them making an female-led Ocean's film if it's a spin-off or sequel or whatever. The thing that irritated me about Ghostbusters was that it was a remake. Why? Why couldn't they tell a new story, set some years after the originals, with a group of new characters? Why tell the original story but change the men to women? That's lazy, whereas writing a new story set in that same franchise/fictional universe is entirely legit in my opinion.
So far, it's not clear which Ocean's Eight will be. If it's essentially a sequel, then I'm absolutely fine with that. If they go all Ghostbusters and essentially remake the original, then that's just dumb.
I actually agree with this. Someone I subscribe to on Youtube re-pitched the new Ghostbusters movie where the main women were like the daughters of the original crew. There was more to it than that, but it actually sounded interesting.
Yeah, something like that, or a group of women discovering what the original cast had done and taking it on themselves. There are loads of ways they could have done it. When the first trailer (I think) landed, it made it seem like that was how it was being done as made reference to the original crew "30 years ago". Turns out it was just talking about the original film, which is really dumb for a trailer.
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Somebody is making a "realistic" Power Rangers movie reboot, said a hilarious IGN article that I couldn't find a link to now.
Do you mean the fan short film that was shown a year ago where they made a gritty unrecognizable thing that was called Power Rangers? Or do you mean the Hollywood reboot movie that they revealed months ago?
Basically they're doing what every other Hollywood movie is doing, and just turning it into gritty Batman/Ironman. Power Rangers without the cheese isn't even Power Rangers.
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Yep, I mean the Hollywood reboot and I totally agree about cheeseless Power Rangers.
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It just looks too serious from what I've seen/heard so far, with little connection to the original show. You can make something less silly without making it all gritty and losing the fun. Marvel manages to do it.
I'm just over Hollywood watering everything down to be the same movie these days. Why bother rebooting something if you're not going to utilize any of what made it unique and appealing to people in the first place?
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It just looks too serious from what I've seen/heard so far, with little connection to the original show. You can make something less silly without making it all gritty and losing the fun. Marvel manages to do it.
I'm just over Hollywood watering everything down to be the same movie these days. Why bother rebooting something if you're not going to utilize any of what made it unique and appealing to people in the first place?
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it - if as a writer/director you see unutilised potential in something then remaking/rebooting it in a way that fits your vision can work well (Battlestar Galactica is the perfect example of this).
I'm not saying that's what I expect in any way from Power Rangers. :lol Just saying that the situation itself isn't inherently bad.
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Certainly there are reboots that take something that perhaps didn't reach its full potential the first time, and become something better, but those are rare imo. In principle there's no reason it can't work though.
But most reboots are just lazy cash-ins by studios where they'll take something 100% for name recognition, then repackage it into familiar and generic Hollywood fare in an attempt to appeal to a larger audience, but without the key elements that made them appeal to audiences in the first place. It's purely about money.
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The Fly with Jeff Goldblum was a remake but apparently only kept the fact that he became a fly from the original movie.
That's the best kind of remake. Just keep the DNA of the original and make everything else your own.
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It comes down to how/why it's done. The new Planet of the Apes movies are another example of doing it right. They've done something new with it, been respectful to the original, and had thought put into them. Compare it to the Tim Burton remake, which was completely soulless, and was an empty movie that missed the mark.
The difference is remaking/rebooting something for an idea, rather than for a name. I wouldn't say the original version of The Fly was really a hugely popular thing by the time they remade it, unlike Ghostbusters which is still beloved today, but a man turning into a fly from an experiment gone wrong is an interesting idea, and didn't have a lot of other elements to capture or lose in the process (I've seen the original, but not the '80s one, strangely enough).
I'm now feeling an itch to rank the best reboots/remakes, DTF style.
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From memory I remember the Fly doing very well. I get what you say about the original.
I think with the advances of CGI that we will see even more remakes these,days.
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Ironically we probably will get a The Fly remake....
Directed by some no name director who directed one moderately successful jump-scare teen horror ...
This time the Fly will be a slasher / stalker and a group of teens stumble across his lab in the woods.
Oh God it's going to happen.
I thought RoboCop 2014 had some good ideas and did something different with it. it's a shame the studio so clearly interfered and just filled it with pointless inconsequential action.
The action in RoboCop 2014 was the worst part. It was the man V machine stuff that was interesting and should have been explored more.
Stupid Studios.
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imo Robocop was the perfect example of an empty remake just for name recognition, that lacked any of defining characteristics about the original. It was yet another Batman/Iron Man/Transformers inspired dude in a watered down PG13 action movie that will be quickly forgotten. The original Robocop had satire, it had extreme violence, it had personality, things that could have set a remake apart from other modern movies.
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The original felt like a comic book.
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imo Robocop was the perfect example of an empty remake just for name recognition, that lacked any of defining characteristics about the original. It was yet another Batman/Iron Man/Transformers inspired dude in a watered down PG13 action movie that will be quickly forgotten. The original Robocop had satire, it had extreme violence, it had personality, things that could have set a remake apart from other modern movies.
It tried something new and (imo) didn't just shit all over the original.
Total Recall 2012 was far worse. It was just blah and basically took the piss out
of the original.
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imo Robocop was the perfect example of an empty remake just for name recognition, that lacked any of defining characteristics about the original. It was yet another Batman/Iron Man/Transformers inspired dude in a watered down PG13 action movie that will be quickly forgotten. The original Robocop had satire, it had extreme violence, it had personality, things that could have set a remake apart from other modern movies.
It tried something new and (imo) didn't just shit all over the original.
Total Recall 2012 was far worse. It was just blah and basically took the piss out
of the original.
I haven't seen the new Total Recall and don't want to. The original is perfection.
I didn't feel like the reboot Robocop brought anything new to it. To me it was mostly a watered down family friendly version of the original, and I felt like including the original suit for a short while was crapping on the original more than honoring it. If they'd done it more in the style of the recent Dredd movie, it could have been way better.
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New RAMBO movie going forward without Sylvester Stallone.
Of course ::)
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That actually makes me more optimistic.
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They'll probably just cast some unknown bodybuilder.
Or someone really f---ing obvious like Dwayne Johnson.
Which might be cool i guess ?
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They'll probably just cast some unknown bodybuilder.
Or someone really f---ing obvious like Dwayne Johnson.
Which might be cool i guess ?
And he'll be wearing his same costume from Fast 5.
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From what I read, they are not trying to straight up reboot Rambo: First Blood, but rather use the Rambo character to springboard a new franchise. I rather they do what they did with Mad Max: Fury Road, and just continue the existing franchise with a new actor (although that might be hard to do since Stallone had really aged in the last film)
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Not interested. Rambo is Stallone. And modern action movies usually suck anyway.
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I called this one a while ago, and im surprised it's taken this long: An American Werewolf In London is being remade
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I called this one a while ago, and im surprised it's taken this long: An American Werewolf In London is being remade
Looks like it's being written/directed by Max Landis (son of the guy who did the original). No clue if he can direct, but the dude has an insane writing style, so it will be very very weird at the very least.
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According to IMDb, his favorite film is An American Werewolf in London, by his father John Landis (duh). So this could be interesting.
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I called this one a while ago, and im surprised it's taken this long: An American Werewolf In London is being remade
Looks like it's being written/directed by Max Landis (son of the guy who did the original). No clue if he can direct, but the dude has an insane writing style, so it will be very very weird at the very least.
He wrote Chronicle and directed me Him Her which was an online only movie. . . HITB reviewed it.
He also wrote American Ultra.
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I called this one a while ago, and im surprised it's taken this long: An American Werewolf In London is being remade
Looks like it's being written/directed by Max Landis (son of the guy who did the original). No clue if he can direct, but the dude has an insane writing style, so it will be very very weird at the very least.
He wrote Chronicle and directed me Him Her which was an online only movie. . . HITB reviewed it.
He also wrote American Ultra.
Oh I didn't know he directed anything. I haven't seen Chronicle, but since so many movies are blatantly ripping it off, it must have had some good stuff.
Also didn't see American Ultra (just hard to motivate me to watch an Eisenberg movie) but I did see Mr. Right, which he wrote, which was hilarious and amazing. And I've seen him on certain youtube channels a lot, often pitching movies, making it all up on the spot, and the dude has talent. At least as a writer.
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He did an interview for RLM and he said that in Hollywood - you can write a great script but it will go thru many un-credited rewrites before it ends up on screen.
So you can get blamed for a lousy script for which you are credited but is nothing like what you originally wrote.
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That would suck.
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He did an interview for RLM and he said that in Hollywood - you can write a great script but it will go thru many un-credited rewrites before it ends up on screen.
So you can get blamed for a lousy script for which you are credited but is nothing like what you originally wrote.
My friend's dad went through the same thing with the movie Hollywoodland. He wrote it more about George Reeves but the studio took the script it turned it into a movie centered more on the detective which had a lot of parts written by another writer.
On the opposite end he also had his name put on a movie that he was brought into salvage and with his rewrite they ended up crediting him as a lead writer even though he was just there to save a movie there was no hope in saving.
Bottom line is being a lesser known screenwriter in Hollywood seems to be miserable.
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I have no interest in a remake of American Werewolf in London. I can't believe that Landis is involved. That's a terrible idea. The original is perfect.
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What a terrible idea. Leave movies alone. Doesn't anyone have any original ideas anymore??
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What a terrible idea. Leave movies alone. Doesn't anyone have any original ideas anymore??
That's the weird thing. Landis has TONS of original ideas. Not sure why he would think this a worthy enterprise. Knowing that the final product will be compared to his dad's original. That's a lose/lose proposition.
He must have been high when he had this idea.
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What a terrible idea. Leave movies alone. Doesn't anyone have any original ideas anymore??
That's the weird thing. Landis has TONS of original ideas. Not sure why he would think this a worthy enterprise. Knowing that the final product will be compared to his dad's original. That's a lose/lose proposition.
He must have been high when he had this idea.
Maybe he was given a good offer by the studio for it.
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Maybe the movie was going ahead regardless, and he figured better him than someone else.
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Trainspotting 2.. the trailer actually made me very interested.
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I sincerely hope they don't ruin the movie.
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Fantastic Beasts - 2016
Fantastic Beasts II - 2018
Fantastic Beasts III - 2020
Fantastic Beasts IV - 2022
Fantastic Beasts V part 1 - 2024
Fantastic Beasts V part 2 - 2025
Harry Potter 1-8 & Fantastic Beasts 1-5 Boxset - 2026. 14 movies. 14 discs of extras. £100
JK Rolling in it.
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So Flatliners is getting a remake. Starring that oh so charismatic Diego Luna from Rogue One and Ellen Page.
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I like the original Flatliners much more than I thought I would. But you got Kiefer, Bacon, Julie Roberts, Oliver Platt, and others, all younger but already kickass versions of themselves later, and you don't care that the story makes no sense. The acting makes it work. I'll check out the remake eventually I'm sure, but not really in any hurry. Ha!
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I like the original Flatliners much more than I thought I would. But you got Kiefer, Bacon, Julie Roberts, Oliver Platt, and others, all younger but already kickass versions of themselves later, and you don't care that the story makes no sense. The acting makes it work. I'll check out the remake eventually I'm sure, but not really in any hurry. Ha!
It'll probably be just a schlocky horror movie with ghosts and jump scares.
Oh and it'll probably bomb.
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That's what I expect as well.
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Speaking of the Harry Potter Universe.
Not only is there 5 films in the fantastic beasts franchise planned.
But there's now a rumour that WB want to turn The Cursed Child into YEP a new HP trilogy with Grint, Radcliffe & Watson.
Warner Brothers allegedly want it to be " Harry Potter : The Force Awakens "
I bet JK Rowling's bank manager is very happy.
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Speaking of the Harry Potter Universe.
Not only is there 5 films in the fantastic beasts franchise planned.
But there's now a rumour that WB want to turn The Cursed Child into YEP a new HP trilogy with Grint, Radcliffe & Watson.
Warner Brothers allegedly want it to be " Harry Potter : The Force Awakens "
I bet JK Rowling's bank manager is very happy.
Rowling shot down the Cursed Child rumors. Won't be movies.
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Who knows what she'll say in 9 years...
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Well, she certainly doesn't need the money.
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Well, she certainly doesn't need the money.
She didn't need it before she agreed to turn a pamphlet into a QUINTOLOGY either....
:)
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Well, she certainly doesn't need the money.
She didn't need it before she agreed to turn a pamphlet into a QUINTOLOGY either....
:)
That's different. She had the idea for the story, and decided the story needed to be told on film. So that's happening.
With Cursed Child, she felt that needed to be a play, so that's what it is. If she doesn't want it to be a film, it won't be, and money won't be a tempter to change her mind, because she already has all the money in the world.
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She obviously had no problem with Fantastic Beasts being *FIVE* films when the "book" is nothing more than a notebook.
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Not sure what your point is.
The "book" wasn't a story at all. When she came up with the story for it later for the film, she decided it would be a story spread over 5 films. She didn't do that for money, either.
Cursed Child has always been a story.
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Danny McBride is writing the new new "Halloween" reboot.
I'm confused by this.
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I saw a trailer for a movie (based on a book) called Before I Fall. It's basically a dark Groundhog Day.
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I feel instantaneous anxiety every single time I see this thread bumped after a period of inactivity.
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I saw a trailer for a movie (based on a book) called Before I Fall. It's basically a dark Groundhog Day.
I love time loop movies and TV episodes. Sure it's nothing new, but they're always fun to watch.
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I feel instantaneous anxiety every single time I see this thread bumped after a period of inactivity.
I understand.
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is this most excellent or no....
https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/02/keanu-reeves-confirms-new-bill-ted-movie-and-its-got-a-bonkers-plot/
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Can't be worse than Bogus Journey...
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Bogus Journey is awesome. Nothing they make now can recapture the vibe of those two movies. It's a different time. They should just leave it alone.
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Bogus Journey is awesome. Nothing they make now can recapture the vibe of those two movies. It's a different time. They should just leave it alone.
Bogus Journey was great until Station. Then it got really dumb.
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Bogus Journey is awesome. Nothing they make now can recapture the vibe of those two movies. It's a different time. They should just leave it alone.
Bogus Journey was great until Station. Then it got really dumb.
Yep then it was really lame. "Stay SHuuuuun"
Oh...
Oh dear.
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Um..Jeff Goldblum is ah...in the ... the Jurrassic ah....Woooorld... Ah..Se..Sequel?!
Ah huh.. rawr..heheh ah ahhh. etc
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Jeff Goldblum in anything makes that thing better.
Doesn't necessarily make it GOOD, of course. Just better.
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Jeff Goldblum in anything makes that thing better.
He's an odd one. Interesting actor who plays interesting roles. But in real life he is a absolute bore (from the couple of interviews I've seen anyway).
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Fine by me. I'm a bit tired of actors going on chat shows and trying to be the life of the party.
And yes - Jeff was the best thing about Independence Day 2.
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I wrote a movie script and pictured one of the main characters as him. I wonder if he would play the role...
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I wrote a movie script and pictured one of the main characters as him. I wonder if he would play the role...
If not you can always get Nic Cage.
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He is in there already.
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Murder on the Orient Express v.Lost count
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq4m3yAoW8E
"Probably??"
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Cannonball Run to be re-booted.
Why?
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I know I'm probably missing something really obvious here, and will accordingly be shot down in flames (a fate I accept) but depict all the recent remakes I'm really, really struggling to think of the last genuine successful one (both critical and commercial)....'True Grit' maybe?
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I suppose the new Planet of the Apes movies have done pretty well. I guess they're only sort of reboots though.
Nolan's Batman trilogy? It's hard to know what counts.
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I suppose the new Planet of the Apes movies have done pretty well. I guess they're only sort of reboots though.
That's a interesting one for sure (great films too). I'd say Tim Burton's Ape movie was more of a traditional remake, telling pretty much the same story. The new one's aren't really remakes, do you think? Coming at the story from a completely different angle.
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I wouldn't call the Planet of the Apes movies remakes, but a reboot of the franchise, possibly even prequels, depending on where they lead. That's why I think they work so well, because they're covering a lot of new ground with it, rather than stepping on the toes of the original(s).
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As much as I love this cast (with the exception of Beyonce), I really don't get why this is getting remade (other than it being a cash cow).
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Yeah, the funny thing is Disney is calling this a "live action" movie. I'm guessing, no. It will be a CGI fest like the Jungle Book.
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Yeah, the funny thing is Disney is calling this a "live action" movie. I'm guessing, no. It will be a CGI fest like the Jungle Book.
I thought the Jungle Book was amazing. Apparently the opening scene was shown at Comic-Con I think and it was supposedly freaking amazing.
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I'm not familiar with the Jungle Book. Is this new LK movie going to be animated like Toy Story or animated like Avatar? Lion King with photo-realistic CGI could be kind of cool actually.
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First of all, I don't know why they'd even bother remaking a relatively recent classic like The Lion King. Secondly, why live action? That's dumb. Just make it a CG animated movie, if you're going to do it, which they shouldn't, because it's dumb.
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I'm not familiar with the Jungle Book. Is this new LK movie going to be animated like Toy Story or animated like Avatar? Lion King with photo-realistic CGI could be kind of cool actually.
Animated like Avatar...kinda. Here's the trailer for Jungle Book from 2016, I'm guessing it will be like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mkm22yO-bs
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I don't see the point of it being "live action" when there are only animal characters that will have to be CG anyway, and presumably no humans.
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Exactly! With no human characters, a "live action" Lion King just doesn't make sense... to me.
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Maybe it'll be The Lion King with humans.
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According to the announcement I saw, the cast was hired as voice actors. :dunno:
I guess we'll see.
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It'll be more realistic looking. Like how The Jungle Books animals were.
I don't know how it'll be, but I'll still check it out.
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I just saw the trailers for Suspiria and the new Halloween movie.
I quite liked the suspiria one. The original is one of my favorite movies so I was very dismissive of this remake at first but the trailer got me interested. It looks stylish and well made in a different way than the original. Looks like they've really done a lot to put a new twist on it instead of copying or making it one of those in name only remakes like Prom Night was. I'm really curious to see how this comes out.
The halloween trailer was interesting. Not sure how I feel about them rebooting the series a second time and with even part 2 being erased with continuity. Looks like some real effort went into this one and I'm going to go into it with low expectations and hope for the best. It's one of those movies that's either going to be surprisingly good or end up being a pile of hot garbage.
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So they're remaking Child's Play and this time the doll won't be possessed, its programming will be hacked and it will be able to learn quickly.
And everyone will forget about it in a month like the Poltergeist remake.
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So they're remaking Child's Play and this time the doll won't be possessed, its programming will be hacked and it will be able to learn quickly.
And everyone will forget about it in a month like the Poltergeist remake.
Psshhh...thats not scary. Chucky doing a seance on a little boy, now thats scary.
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New trailer for the Pet Sematary remake on YouTube. Looks like it is made by the same guy who makes 80% of the drama/suspense/horror film trailers. Otherwise looks totally forgettable. Not a fan of the original, so not much to live up to at least.
Also saw there is a remake of Clue in the works. That is 1 plus 1 plus 2 plus 1 goddamn stupid ideas wrapped in to one.
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https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/01/11/its-official-eddie-murphy-will-star-in-coming-to-america-2?sf97539327=1&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
Today's news, then, is something of a shock: according to Deadline, Murphy has signed on to headline a sequel to 1988's Coming to America. The film will be directed by Craig Brewer, who just finished working with Murphy on Netflix's Dolemite Is My Name, which is expected to arrive later this year.
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