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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on July 28, 2015, 09:25:11 PM
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I remember some expressing interesting in this a while back, so here goes. I can't promise that I will give decent reviews of every album, especially since many will be from genres/subgenres that I am not wild about, but I suspect others will be able to, and this should enable us to discuss many artists that likely aren't talked about very much around here.
Similar to the 80s thread, if anyone has ideas for albums I could feature, feel free to PM them. Again, I don't know want this to be a free-for-all where people start randomly posting albums on their own in here, but if you PM me good ones, I will bump them way up to near the head of the line. :)
Albums featured thus far:
Alice in Chains - Dirt https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1987854#msg1987854
Alanis Morisettee - Jagged Little Pill https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1988325#msg1988325
Jeff Buckley - Grace https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1989263#msg1989263
Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1989914#msg1989914
Faith No More - Angel Dust https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1990479#msg1990479
Metallica - Metallica https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1992335#msg1992335
Shania Twain - Come On Over https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1992816#msg1992816
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magik https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1993467#msg1993467
Dream Theater - Images and Words https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1994400#msg1994400
Eric Clapton - Unplugged https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1995502#msg1995502
Nirvana - Nevermind https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1995838#msg1995838
Wilco - Summerteeth https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1997483#msg1997483
Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1998399#msg1998399
Pearl Jam - Ten https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44265.msg1999310#msg1999310
Away we go...
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I'll begin here by saying that grunge was never my thing really at all, but in the case of Alice in Chains, they have enough of a hard rock edge to where the rock dominated more than grunge, at least on Dirt, IMO. "Would?," "Down in a Hole," "Rooster" and "Them Bones" are all songs I enjoy a lot when I hear them, although I admittedly rarely seek them out.
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Legendary album and one of the most consistently awesome albums start-to-finish in rock history. Layne starting off Them Bones with that iconic "I !!!" just sets the tone for the brooding heaviness that lay ahead. The low key songs, Down in a Hole and Rooster, do a fantastic job of broadening the album's overall mood. The Layne/Jerry harmonies just skyrocket the coolness of the choruses too. Too bad Godsmack had to dick ride them by using the song's name for their band.
Great thread idea, Kev, and I look forward to future albums.
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^ I think you've said it all! Fantastic album. I heard 'Would?' on the Singles soundtrack album (with soundgarden, pearl jam etc) and was blown away. The whole album is quality, start to finish. I was surprised by the range and broadness in styles they approached. Such a shame Staley died. His replacement does an awesome job, though.
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This is such a great album. This is often labeled as grunge, but this record sounds like nothing else from that period, it is so unique in it's style it should have it's own genre.
This album is dark, melancholy, depressing and heavy and the overall musicianship is much better than you would expect from a "grunge" band. Jerry Cantrell is such a great but underrated guitar player, his riffing is excellent and his solos always have that unique twist that make him so special. Layne Staley had that special voice and the harmonies with Cantrell are kind of a AiC trademark.
There are so many great songs: Them Bones, Dam That River, Rain When I Die (my personal favorite), Rooster, Dirt, Down In A Hole, Would?. And the rest ain't shabby either.
And because this is a DT forum: DT used Rooster for some concerts I've been to as introduction. The song was played over the PA and when the whole band sets in, the lights went out, DT entered the stage and when Rooster was finished they started their set.
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*interested*. Albums that I would feature If I was doing this thread :
Waking Up The Neighbours - Bryan Adams
(What's The Story ) Morning Glory ? - Oasis
Dookie - Green Day
Automatic For The People - REM
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I'm not a huge grunge fan, but Alice in chains are an exception. This album is terrific, filled with hit singles and other insanely catchy yet slightly obscure tracks. It's definitely one of the essential 90s albums.
Would has got to be one of the biggest hits of the 90s.
It isn't my favorite album by them, though - that would be the self titled one.
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I'll follow, but there wasn't a lot of great, iconic albums to come out of the 90s (imo). Of course, I'm tainted by my own personal tastes... by-and-large, I can't stand the grunge genre. Some songs here and there I can get in to (like Rooster), but I never bought a single album from that genre/movement.
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I feel like yelling "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII" right now and banging my head. Great, great album. Nice dark harmonies and melody for such a hard rocking band.
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I'll follow, but there wasn't a lot of great, iconic albums to come out of the 90s (imo). Of course, I'm tainted by my own personal tastes...
All decades since at least the 50s had lots of iconic albums but, of course, if you gonna like them or not depend only in your personal tastes.
As for Alice In Chains, not a fan but i know they are good based on this album and the Jar of Flies EP.
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I never considered AiC to be grunge.
Would? and Down in a Hole are tremendous tracks. Great harmonies with Layne and Jerry throughout. Great album.
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Alice in F*cking Chains
Loved them from the word go. Saw them live in 1991 w/ Ozzy, Lynch Mob, L.A. Guns,
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And again the same year opening The Clash of the Titans w/ Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax
They were the first on both concert festivals, yet they didn't sound like a bottom tier band.
When Dirt came out, they just totally flew past the already impressive Facelift debut. Dirt was too perfect as it became their Images and Words. Nearly impossible to top. And I never understood AiC's relationship to grunge. Because they were from Seattle?
I loved the 90s so can't wait to see what pops up. Unfortunately some of my favorite stuff from that era was not quite at the classic level. But I considered bands like Skunk Anansie, T-Ride, Red Square Black and Fishbone as very unique artists. Metal was really pushed in some cool (and necessary) new directions in the 90s.
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Legendary album and one of the most consistently awesome albums start-to-finish in rock history. Layne starting off Them Bones with that iconic "I !!!" just sets the tone for the brooding heaviness that lay ahead. The low key songs, Down in a Hole and Rooster, do a fantastic job of broadening the album's overall mood. The Layne/Jerry harmonies just skyrocket the coolness of the choruses too. Too bad Godsmack had to dick ride them by using the song's name for their band.
All of this. One of my favorite bands ever.
Would? remains one of the greatest rock songs of all time IMHO.
I saw AIC open up for Van Halen on the F.U.C.K. tour. That was one hell of a show.
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Dirt is an awesome album and AiC are great.
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Would? remains one of the greatest rock songs of all time IMHO.
if my song ratings are still accurate (I haven't listened to AiC in ages) Would? is the only song on the album that did anything for me. On the other hand there were 4 songs on Facelift that I liked. Man In The Box is the only song of theirs that I have ready for play in the memory banks - really like that one.
On the whole though I obviously didn't connect to them in the way many did.
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Great album! AiC for me is number 3 out of the Big 4 bands from the Seattle scene.
The 1990s is my teenage years, so this for me is the decade of music that resonates the most. The grunge scene is a nice counterpoint to the musical elitism of the groups from the 1980s. I love the honesty and the angst of the lyrics. And the musicianship is great, it's just not pretentious.
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Great album! AiC for me is number 3 out of the Big 4 bands from the Seattle scene.
the other 3 of course being Queensryche, Metal Church and Fifth Angel ;D
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Great album! AiC for me is number 3 out of the Big 4 bands from the Seattle scene.
the other 3 of course being Queensryche, Metal Church and Fifth Angel ;D
Probably not, and I've never heard of Fifth Angel.
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OK - Queensryche, Metal Church and Kenny G.
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I'll follow, but there wasn't a lot of great, iconic albums to come out of the 90s (imo).
While I agree, there are many classic albums from that decade nonetheless, and there was much more to the 90s than alt rock and grunge, as this thread will demonstrate. :coolio
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I'll follow, but there wasn't a lot of great, iconic albums to come out of the 90s (imo).
While I agree, there are many classic albums from that decade nonetheless, and there was much more to the 90s than alt rock and grunge, as this thread will demonstrate. :coolio
I think the old fart community missed out on some great albums from the 90's.
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I'll follow, but there wasn't a lot of great, iconic albums to come out of the 90s (imo).
While I agree, there are many classic albums from that decade nonetheless, and there was much more to the 90s than alt rock and grunge, as this thread will demonstrate. :coolio
Well, this should be a learning lesson to me then. All I know about the 90s, when it comes to music, was alt rock and grunge and I don't know too much about that other than the Big Four of Grunge. Oh, and Foo Fighters. That and ...., boy bands..... shudders......
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I got Facelift, and actually saw AiC twice in 1991. Once at the Titans tour and once with VH. I thought they were cool enough. Facelift reminded me a bit of Armored Saint.
I never followed them after that. So I missed out on this album.
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Well.. For example, in the 90's, there was lots of classics from genres like electronic and hip hop that may not be the cup of tea of many here, giving the illusion of "There wasn't many classics through that decade".
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Well.. For example, in the 90's, there was lots of classics from genres like electronic and hip hop that may not be the cup of tea of many here, giving the illusion of "There wasn't many classics through that decade".
Your talking to a group of guys that stick to a certain style of music. There was plenty albums even in rock that were huge. What happens is you get a house, kids and music is in the backburner because life is too busy. You have no time to explore. then when the kids get older you get to search more.
That's why most don't know the classics from the 90's.
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That's why most don't know the classics from the 90's.
The decade had the same problem as most decades. There are so many great albums from the 90s. And they might be a classic album to you, but was it a classic album to the general public? And if you aren't listening to radio or watching MTV, you could probably be fooled into thinking an album held more sway than it really did as it is reinforced by your circle of friends.
I'm gonna toss out The Cardigans - Gran Turismo for consideration
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Just so this thread doesn't get bogged down with recs and whatnot...
Similar to the 80s thread, if anyone has ideas for albums I could feature, feel free to PM them.
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The 90's were when I became a real researcher of music as it became harder to find rock music that I liked. The radio was a waste of shelf space and I really had to hunt. So I have lots of albums I consider 90's classics - it's just that hardly any one else I know has heard of any of them ;D
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Well.. For example, in the 90's, there was lots of classics from genres like electronic and hip hop that may not be the cup of tea of many here, giving the illusion of "There wasn't many classics through that decade".
Your talking to a group of guys that stick to a certain style of music. There was plenty albums even in rock that were huge. What happens is you get a house, kids and music is in the backburner because life is too busy. You have no time to explore. then when the kids get older you get to search more.
These posts sum it up fairly well I think. Plenty of great stuff from the '90s, at least as much as any other decade; I'd say more than most. Alice in Chains is the shit.
That said, it's interesting that so many people are saying they don't consider AiC to be "grunge." If you think about it, Nirvana is the only one of the "big 4" that actually fits the common definition of the genre. The other three may have looked the part at times, but I'd say their music is hardly synonymous with what we call grunge, whereas Nirvana clearly embodies it.
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Plenty of great stuff from the '90s, at least as much as any other decade; I'd say more than most. Alice in Chains is the shit.
That's what i'm saying. Every decade has plenty of classic albums for tons of genres and subgenres but it's not like everyone has time to discover everything or try to expand their boundaries.
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These posts sum it up fairly well I think. Plenty of great stuff from the '90s, at least as much as any other decade; I'd say more than most. Alice in Chains is the shit.
That said, it's interesting that so many people are saying they don't consider AiC to be "grunge." If you think about it, Nirvana is the only one of the "big 4" that actually fits the common definition of the genre. The other three may have looked the part at times, but I'd say their music is hardly synonymous with what we call grunge, whereas Nirvana clearly embodies it.
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Exactly. It's like grunge became = Nirvana. But when you listen to the other bands in the Big 4, like Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam, and even including the other bands in the periphery like Stone Temple Pilots, NONE of them sound like Nirvana. Musically, the thing they share in common is their love for Drop D tuning, but then again, Pearl Jam did not do Drop D. I think the "grunge" label is more about the attitude, the angst, that is embodied in the lyrics and the music.
Dirt is a great album, but their best song for me remains Man in the Box. The first time I heard it, I was floored by the Drop D riff.
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I feel like I'm the only guy in the world.
Dirt was a huge disappointment to me after the absolutely STUNNING Facelift. There are some good things on Dirt, but I really like Sap, Jar of Flies and Facelift all far more than this album....and I don't think I listened to any of the Seattle Big 4 material at all post 1994.
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I feel like I'm the only guy in the world.
Dirt was a huge disappointment to me after the absolutely STUNNING Facelift. There are some good things on Dirt, but I really like Sap, Jar of Flies and Facelift all far more than this album....and I don't think I listened to any of the Seattle Big 4 material at all post 1994.
Well, Pearl Jam is the only one who released a lot of albums post-1994, with Nirvana ending with Kurt Cobain's death, and Soundgarden and Alice in Chains releasing only one album each post-1994 before going on a long hiatus.
I think what you missed out would be Pearl Jam's reinvention of themselves, which is amazing.
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I for one did not like the, as I call it, Neil Young faze of Pearl Jam. The last 3 albums have been great. I also like Yield a ton.
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Don't want to de-rail this thread too much....but I kindof gave up on grunge after it got big. Not *because* it got big. I was actually hoping that the Big 4 would bring all this amazing music that we had been hearing since 1988 to the masses. But the music changed to fit what the public wanted...and when that happened, it was disappointing.
I still think Soundgarden's glory years were Screaming Life, Ultramega OK, and their masterpiece Louder Than Love. I was SO PSYCHED when I heard the new album was coming, and when I plopped on Badmotorfinger all I could think was...."is this it?" :-[ Same thing with AiC that I mentioned above.
Ironically, Nirvana did the opposite. I loved Bleach, and I don't deny Nevermind's status. It just surprised me when they released *less* commercially viable In Utero for it's follow up. And I respect them for that.
Pearl Jam was a tough sell for me from the start because I had been such a BIG Mother Love Bone fan. When I first heard Alive, I thought it was dumb and boring. It wasn't until I heard Evenflow, Jeremy and Black that I started to love the band. Vs was also really good...but after that I guess I just burned out on the whole scene. I should get caught up because I'm way behind for a local boy.
But still....this isn't grunge. Mudhoney....THAT'S grunge.
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I for one did not like the, as I call it, Neil Young faze of Pearl Jam. The last 3 albums have been great. I also like Yield a ton.
Given you sig, I can understand why you don't like that phase. :lol
Don't want to de-rail this thread too much....but I kindof gave up on grunge after it got big. Not *because* it got big. I was actually hoping that the Big 4 would bring all this amazing music that we had been hearing since 1988 to the masses. But the music changed to fit what the public wanted...and when that happened, it was disappointing.
I still think Soundgarden's glory years were Screaming Life, Ultramega OK, and their masterpiece Louder Than Love. I was SO PSYCHED when I heard the new album was coming, and when I plopped on Badmotorfinger all I could think was...."is this it?" :-[ Same thing with AiC that I mentioned above.
Is it really pandering to the masses, or maybe just the bands writing and playing what they want, and it just happened that the masses liked the music? I honestly can not view Superunknown and Dirt as "fitting" what the public wanted but more of these bands actually growing and the wider public just happening the direction their music took. Bands that grow leave their old sound behind. In the case of Soundgarden and Alice in Chains, it even lead to their hiatus because the members are growing in different directions.
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I think the "grunge" label is more about the attitude, the angst, that is embodied in the lyrics and the music.
Bingo. It had a little to do with the music, but way much more to your point. Let's face it, each decade of "rock" has it's own flair/style. Being a teen in the 80s, I'm heavily biased to the 80s and 70s. And King kinda nailed it... in '92, I went of to Uni, and shortly after I graduated, I met my now wife, and got into wedding/family mode. It wasn't until about 2004 and 2005 that I started re-discovering my love of discovering music.
While I agree, there are many classic albums from that decade nonetheless, and there was much more to the 90s than alt rock and grunge, as this thread will demonstrate. :coolio
Bring it on bitch.
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There is gonna be a thread for 2000's classics too?
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Oh, I will, j.b. :hat
And to keep this going since interest seems to be strong, let's feature another now. I am not going to do all of the major grunge acts right from the start, so let's take somewhat of a turn...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/Alanis_Morissette_-_Jagged_Little_Pill.jpg)
I will freely admit that I am not a fan of Alanis Morissette, but there is no denying the popularity and classic status of Jagged Little Pill. I get why this was popular, since most of the hits are pretty catchy, but her voice just kind of annoys me. Anyway, discuss.
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For me, the best album by a solo female artist. I will just repost what I posted before in the Jagged Little Pill thread that I started:
This came out while I was entering college. To this day, it remains my favorite album by a female artist. So honest, and, while very angsty, it also sounded so mature and, ironically, optimistic. Three things I learned with Jagged Little Pill:
1) Songs with angry and angsty lyrics are not reserved for male artists in pop music.
2) You can channel negative energy into a thing of timeless beauty.
3) Life can be a bitch, but you can always look for a silver lining.
As Alanis put it in You Learn:
"You live, you learn
You love, you learn
You cry, you learn
You lose, you learn
You bleed, you learn
You scream, you learn"
Or better yet, in the ending of Ironic:
"Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out"
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I think You Oughta Know was getting heavy rotation during the OJ Trial, so the two are inexorably linked in my mind. That and the Jay Leno - Hugh Grant interview. I didn't watch it, but I'd see Alanis, MTV News break with a story on Hugh Grant or OJ Trial.
I liked the songs being played on radio/MTV from this album, but I didn't buy an Alanis album until the song Uninvited. Still my favorite Alanis song.
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Leave it to a thread about 90s music featuring one of my favorite bands and albums EVER to start with to bring me out of a self-imposed hiatus. Good work, Mister Schmevin. :lol
Anyhoot - I'd first heard Dirt around the same time as I got into Images and Words, which was late 1992/early 1993. Both blew me away in different ways - I&W because I&W, and Dirt because... well, I guess it spoke to the still angry teen hiding in a 22-23 year old's body (yes, I'm a fogey and damn proud of it LOL). Plus, as a prior alto in Choir from the time I was 11-12 to about 14-15... Layne's voice literally blew my mind with where he could take it. That, and the pentatonic harmonies that he and Jerry came up with - thanks to JERRY'S time in Choir... just fucking WOW. Dirt remains one of my favorite albums ever, it's the CD I've had the longest, and it's aged VERY well. The sun logo on the back cover (modified) is my only tattoo (so far) simply because I love AiC, Layne drew it, and I'd gotten it done a little over a year after Layne died as a tribute to him and as a 33rd birthday present to me.
I also remember going to see Collective Soul and Aerosmith back in 1994 and the deep cuts from Dirt were the background music before Aerosmith hit the stage. I was in hog heaven, and people were giving me REALLY strange looks for singing along to the song Godsmack. Until they realized it was Alice in Chains playing in the background lol. And speaking of that song...
Too bad Godsmack had to dick ride them by using the song's name for their band.
ANY Alice in Chains fan worth their salt will agree with this wholeheartedly. That, and how Sully did a weasely back pedal years later when people asked about it in interviews - he claimed that he'd gotten it from either an Aerosmith quote or song about "how God smacked you" or some such horseshit, but Fraudsmack started as an AiC COVER BAND, ffs. The last straw was their album Faceless. FACELESS. With songs similar to songs on AiC's Facelift. REALLY?! Fuck you, Sully Erna.
Whoops. Sorry 'bout the long text wall. xD
As for Jagged Little Pill... it had its time, but it didn't age well for me at all. In fact it's the reason why I can't stand Alanis to this day. IMO, she's a talentless hack.
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When I first heard You Oughta Know I really liked it, but then it got on heavy rotation in MTV/radio and the more I heard it the less I liked it. Some other songs of her are cool (especially Ironic) but sometimes I can't stand her voice.
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Some other songs of her are cool (especially Ironic) but sometimes I can't stand her voice.
That's about it for me. Some good songs , but (more often than not) shame about the voice.
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Great album. All the singles are classics and her voice never bothered me.
The second album was nowhere near as memorable - ( i say second as in follow up. I know JLP wasn't her debut ) and each of her albums has sold a fraction of the previous one since JLP.
I remember on my production course - one of the tracks on JLP was presented as an example of bad vocal gating and compression as all the breaths are really loud but you'd have to be an engineer to
notice them :lol
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Jagged Little Pill had all the planets aligned for some reason. It starts with an amazing voice and performance and some decent sonwriting.
A while back I was listening to You oughta know (which became something of an instant angry betrayed female Anthem) and wondered who was playing that increddible bassline? Looked at the cover and off course, it was none other then Flea from the Chili Peppers.
Great album in its time and she followed up with some great songs and increasingly bland albums, alas.
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Leave it to a thread about 90s music featuring one of my favorite bands and albums EVER to start with to bring me out of a self-imposed hiatus. Good work, Mister Schmevin. :lol
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Good to see you back. :tup :tup
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In the mid 90's my life changed dramatically and unexpectedly. I call that time period The Ice Age. It was during this time that I came across JLP. I played the shit out of it. While it was not really what I was into, I just felt like this album kind of spoke to me, for all of the reasons that Erwin posted.
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Deb! Good to see you!
This album while it didn't totally click for me it got me into her art. There are other albums of hers that I love from start to finish but JLP was a great start to her career and a hell of a first album.
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Jagged Little Pill shows that Glenn Ballard knows how to write hits.
There are catchy tunes on it, but I don't care for it very much. Also, it always pissed me off that "Ironic" featured a lot of examples of non-irony.
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It's true. The song is really just a collection of bummers rather than actual examples of irony. And the hits pretty much dried up after she stopped working with Ballard (co-wrote 4 songs on Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie), although I did see her videos from Under Rug Swept a few times on VHI many years ago.
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I had no idea that she didn't write all of her own music by herself, and reading up on it, I like her even less now. To me, she's someone with an annoying voice who was fortunate to hook up with a well-known songwriter (Glen Ballard) for a while.
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Too bad Godsmack had to dick ride them by using the song's name for their band.
Is this really a big deal? Epica got their band name from a Kamelot album title. Who cares? I never understood the shear hatred for Godsmack from Alice in Chains fans. I noticed similairties to Facelift on their debut, but Faceless and Facelift aren't the same thing. It's like hating Dream Theater for showing some Rush influence. Sully trying to say AiC isn't an influence is rather odd and shitty, but to be up in arms because the band shows influence to their heroes is ridiculous. Besides, Alice in Chains didn't invent the term god smack.
My opinion on Dirt: it's boring and I hate Rooster. Back in the day, Dirt and the self titled were the two albums I couldn't finish. The only thing by the band I still have is Jar of Flies, but the first half on Facelift was pretty good. Out of all the "Grunge" acts, Alice in Chains were definitely the best of the bunch.
I went through a Jagged Little Pill phase, but it didn't have a whole lot of staying power. I still own it, but it's just a part of my collection. I currently have no desire to listen to it.
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JLP is a classic pop album for me, FULL OF BANGERZ.
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No, I'm not up in arms because bands pay tribute to their influences--quite the contrary. I'm up in arms about it because Sully Erna is a liar. Hell, even Jerry Cantrell commented that Layne's family should've gotten something because of Fraudsmack's logo being a very close copy to Layne's artwork from the Dirt album (after Layne died).
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No, I'm not up in arms because bands pay tribute to their influences--quite the contrary. I'm up in arms about it because Sully Erna is a liar. Hell, even Jerry Cantrell commented that Layne's family should've gotten something because of Fraudsmack's logo being a very close copy to Layne's artwork from the Dirt album (after Layne died).
The sun logos really aren't that similar.
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They were similar enough in Jerry's eyes, and that's good enough for me.
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They were similar enough in Jerry's eyes, and that's good enough for me.
So you're of the "James Hetfield hates Escape so I hate it too" variety?
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Zook, I love you man but please don't put words in my mouth.
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I'm just making a comparison. I don't even know if you're a Metallica fan. Your opinion on the sun logos doesn't make much sense to me. A musician's opinion isn't the final word on the matter. You could draw a crude circle with some squiggly lines coming off of it and it would be just as similar as those two logos.
Besides, I believe that Godsmack sun logo is just a celtic sun, so if anything, Godsmack just used an already existing religious symbol, which makes sense as Sully is a Wiccan.
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Now, now, Zook, be nice. We just got Debra back and posting again. Don't scare her off! :biggrin:
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:rollin It's all good.
It may be harder to explain/understand now simply because Layne has been dead for 13 years. But back around... 2003, 2004? Everything was still an open wound for the surviving AiC guys and Layne's family. Honestly, I think with that comment that Jerry was not only making a jab at the band for their logo... he was also trying to defend who was at one time one of his best friends.
Me? I couldn't care less if Sully died tomorrow. He's a lying asshole, and you just cannot convince me otherwise.
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:rollin It's all good.
It may be harder to explain/understand now simply because Layne has been dead for 13 years. But back around... 2003, 2004? Everything was still an open wound for the surviving AiC guys and Layne's family. Honestly, I think with that comment that Jerry was not only making a jab at the band for their logo... he was also trying to defend who was at one time one of his best friends.
Me? I couldn't care less if Sully died tomorrow. He's a lying asshole, and you just cannot convince me otherwise.
I edited my above post.
I'm failing to see the problem though. Godsmack got famous right after Layne died, but you, Cantrell and Layne's family make it seem like Godsmack was a parody band making fun of Alice in Chains. They were a cover band first, and brought the influence over to their original songs. How is that something to be offended by?
I'm not defending Sully. If he's a known liar, especially about something this trivial and obvious, that's not cool, and really he's just making himself look stupid.
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No... Godsmack were popular BEFORE Layne died--they first started to break in 1995, around the time AiC was in a long hiatus due to Layne being in rehab. Layne died in 2002, and I guess the comparisons were more in the public eye thanks to the Internet (and AiC fan uproar over it). It's NOT something to be offended by if Sully hadn't proudly announced it at first, then denounced it later.
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So nice to see you Deb. Missed ya.
Alanis was just inducted into the Canadian Music HoF. She's smokin hawt - better now than she was 20 years ago. That's about all the good I have to say. You Outta Know was cool - especially since it was about as far away from Too Hot as you could get. I remember seeing that video for the first time and thinking "that looks like that Alanis pop-singer chick". Never would've thought in a million years that she would make those two songs/videos back-to-back basically.
As for the rest of the album... meh. Though, like Kev said... no denying it's place in musical history.
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Again derailing this thread, sorry, but I have to ask.
What are the similarities musicwise between Godsmack and Alice In Chains? Because frankly, I don't hear them. I like Godsmack up to IV and know my AiC by heart but other than both belonging to the wide area of rock/metal I really don't see the influences.
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Godsmack got famous right after Layne died
No... Godsmack were popular BEFORE Layne died--they first started to break in 1995... Layne died in 2002
Unless you mean popular locally, or absolutely huge, I would say neither of these is quite right. Godsmack were, if not massive, a notable name in the whole nu-metal scene almost as soon as their first (widely released) album hit, which was 1998. They were even more well-established by their second album, which was still before Staley's death.
Also, I was quite the fan of Godsmack with their first and second albums, and got into AiC a few years later. This is literally the first time I've ever heard anything about a connection between the two bands, and I would never have drawn one myself just from their sound. If Godsmack were inspired by AiC, they added far more than enough of their own to the mix.
As for Jagged Little Pill, it is a pretty great album, though Ironic is rubbish. The rest of the album is dwarfed by One Hand In My Pocket and Mary Jane for me these days though. Those two tracks are amongst my favourite songs.
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Deb! Good to see you!
This album while it didn't totally click for me it got me into her art. There are other albums of hers that I love from start to finish but JLP was a great start to her career and a hell of a first album.
Except it wasn't her first album :P
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The fuck happened here? ???
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I do own a copy of Jagged Little Pill, but I'm not sure why or how that happened. I only really like a couple of songs off it and the rest I find quite bland and forgettable. I did quite like Ironic when I first heard it, but Ed Byrne ruined it for me. Ruined I say.
The worst thing about Jagged Little Pill is that record companies wanted their own version, which eventually begat Avril Lavigne... :facepalm:
To be fair, the first Lavigne album was pretty good, but I still remember the clear disparity between how the record company tried to market her and the obvious truth that she didn't write a damn thing on that album that became abundantly clear any time anyone interviewed her over the next year or two. "Change a word, take a third" personified.
That said, it's interesting that so many people are saying they don't consider AiC to be "grunge." If you think about it, Nirvana is the only one of the "big 4" that actually fits the common definition of the genre. The other three may have looked the part at times, but I'd say their music is hardly synonymous with what we call grunge, whereas Nirvana clearly embodies it.
See, I don't really know what the common definition of grunge is then, 'cos of the big 4 grunge acts Nirvana are the ones that I think of as being closer to punk than grunge and Pearl Jam were the ones who really typified exactly what grunge was.
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A friend of mine was nuts on Avril Lavigne's first album. Considering his previous two obsessions - Hilary Duff and Tatu - it was a step in the right direction, to some minor degree. He ripped me a copy. I thought Tomorrow was the best song.
It was funny though, I had him in one ear proclaiming the album a masterpiece and my brother in the other ripping into her, calling her a fraud, a marionette for record execs, etc.
I wouldn't say JLP and Let Go are very similar though. One is unquestionably teen angsty, one is angsty in a way that doesn't feel teeny at all. Jagged Little Pill also has a consistent poppish alt-rock style across the album. Let Go is just a huge mish-mash. Losing Grip was pseudo hard rock, Complicated is pop rock, Skater Boi was bubblegum punk, I'm With You is all-out schmaltzy pop ballad, Tomorrow is acoustic rock, and I can recall a song late in the album where she raps.
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Deb! Good to see you!
This album while it didn't totally click for me it got me into her art. There are other albums of hers that I love from start to finish but JLP was a great start to her career and a hell of a first album.
Except it wasn't her first album :P
Her first major release and not the kiddie crap released before. :P
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Her first major release and not the kiddie crap released before. :P
Aw, c'mon... she gave Matt LeBlanc is big break! :lol
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Exactly Chad! :lol
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Besides, Alice in Chains didn't invent the term god smack.
Who did?
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Besides, Alice in Chains didn't invent the term god smack.
Who did?
Dr. Seuss
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*smacks*
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Her first major release and not the kiddie crap released before. :P
Aw, c'mon... she gave Matt LeBlanc is big break! :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_LFnEoG62Q
Let's just pretend that is from the 80s so that it would be more acceptable. :lol
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I don't listen to this album nearly enough anymore, but it is utterly fantastic. Jeff Buckley had a terrific voice, and what a shame it is that Grace was his only studio album. His cover of "Hallelujah" is the song talked about the most from this record, and it is terrific, but the rest of it is just as strong. Just splendid, from start to finish; a true classic in every sense of the word. :coolio
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Ooooh, now there's an album that I totally did not think about when it comes to this thread. I should listen to it. A good amount of singers, I like, especially Myles Kennedy, really dig Jeff Buckley and this album.
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The 1990s was indeed a decade of heartbreak for young artists who have gone too soon. Kurt Cobain. Criss Oliva. Jeff Buckley.
Grace is an amazing album.
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Shame that my favorite track here (Forget Her) wasn't in the original release.
Still, can't complain much when it has Last Goodbye, Grace and Lover, You Should've Come Over.
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Grace is a great album. :)
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One of my favorite albums ever :tup
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So I heard Last Goodbye on the radio and got this CD right away. Talk about depth in an album. There was an interview I heard that I've always remembered. Jeff said,
"You can play an acoustic hard, and an electric guitar soft. Dimension is a lost art these days." That statement blew me away like his music did.
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It's an alright album,never really got the hype about it but some tracks are pretty neat like the title track.
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One of the greatest albums of all time.
Also one of the best recordings of all time. The sound is just incredible.
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Awesome album, I remember listening to it after seeing it on someone's Top 50 list, instantly made my Top 50.
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I feel like an ass for saying it, and in some sense putting a value on lost lives, but in terms of the music which never got the chance to be made because of the artist’s death, Jeff Buckley was arguably the greatest loss.
Grace is incredible, we know his followup was going to be at least very good, he was a great live artist... he possessed so much artistry, it’s basically inconceivable he was going to turn shit any time soon. He almost certainly would have made brilliant music for decades. He could have been churning out jawdropping songs to this day. And he had such breadth stylistically, who knows what effect he might have had on any number of genres/subgenres.
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One of the greatest albums of all time.
Also one of the best recordings of all time. The sound is just incredible.
Nailed it. It's also one of my favorite albums lyrically too.
Dream Brother is one of the most incredible songs I've ever listened to. Fantastic finale to an already grand album.
I feel like an ass for saying it, and in some sense putting a value on lost lives, but in terms of the music which never got the chance to be made because of the artist’s death, Jeff Buckley was arguably the greatest loss.
I'd actually have to agree with you on this. We were robbed of a true musical genius when Jeff died. :(
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so much love for this album. one of my all time favourites.
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I feel like an ass for saying it, and in some sense putting a value on lost lives, but in terms of the music which never got the chance to be made because of the artist’s death, Jeff Buckley was arguably the greatest loss.
There's a lot of examples historically that come to mind (Jimi Hendrix, Buddy Holly, Marvin Gaye, Charlie Parker, Jaco Pastorius), and I am a huge fan of Jeff's, but I would put Kevin Gilbert as an even greater loss.
I guess on 1 hand, certainly in terms volume of actual recorded music left behind and post-humous work, Kevin including the different bands he was in and songs he worked on (from small roles like keys and engineering, to being a center point in the music created), has a fair amount of more music than Jeff.
But I think in terms of what he could have done, there was an unbelievable amount of potential just hearing a lot of the work he was working on around the time he died that has been released after his death.
And I love Sketches, which in some ways, I actually prefer to Grace. But I guess I can't help but wonder what Kevin would have made. My best guess is he would have had a career somewhat like Matt Mahaffey aka sElf has had, very much of his own entity, along with making music for soundtracks in hollywood to pay his bills.
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Nine Inch Nails fall under the category of one of those bands I think is really good, but almost never listen to. I think it was maybe 10 years ago when I finally heard all of The Downward Spiral, and it definitely kicked my ass. Sadly, I almost never listen to even this record, but on the rare occasions where I do listen to a track or two from it, its greatness is still more than obvious, as is its status as one of THE classic albums of the 90s.
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I acknowledge this as an absolutely stunning and classic album. It may even be NiN's masterpiece. But it's a tough listen.
It does exactly what the title suggests. By the time I get to I Do Not Want This, I just feel.....done. Like I just can't handle pummeling myself with that much negativity in a single sitting. Even The Wall has it's "uplifting" moments. This is just a really DARK album.
Pretty Hate Machine I can get through in a single go-round. But I've never emotionally been able to handle this entire album from start to finish in a single sitting. It's just too much.
Fantastic album though. A brilliant, and yet chilling piece of work by Reznor.
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The 1990s seems to be the darkest decade in music.
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A true classic album. Easily Trent's best work. My first listen of this is an experience that I'll never forget.
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This album is fantastic in every sense :hefdaddy
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Nine Inch Nails. Now we are talking.
1992 to 1994 was a pretty great time (if you didn't waste it whining about grunge).
I really wasn't into what was being sold as industrial: Ministry. So I wrote off industrial in the beginning. Probably why I overlooked NIN's Pretty Hate Machine until 1992's Broken pointed the way. NIN was more the industrial I wanted. The rough synth blended with the guitar and the computer morphing was exactly what I wanted out of that genre.
Pick a favorite Downward Spiral track? No way. Great from beginning to end. Great intro. Good agro songs like March of the Pigs. Great groove songs like Heresy. Wonderful interlude instrumental songs like Eraser and tortured soul feel of Hurt.
The 90s were so great for music.
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Nine Inch Nails. Now we are talking.
Hell yeah we are :metal
I absolutely love Downward Spiral, and its great for those days where everything is fucked.
No matter how mad I am, I pop that baby in and 20 mins later, suddenly I'm feeling a whole lot better. One of my top 10 favorite albums.
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NIN is a really interesting project. In many ways, Reznor can be considered a genius.
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It does exactly what the title suggests. By the time I get to I Do Not Want This, I just feel.....done. Like I just can't handle pummeling myself with that much negativity in a single sitting. Even The Wall has it's "uplifting" moments. This is just a really DARK album.
I definitely don't disagree, but "A Warm Place" is pretty uplifting in comparison. I suppose it can also be seen as poignant or even sad, but the majority of it keeps away from neutral/sad chord voicings, so it's pretty 'up'. Also, I wouldn't call "Closer" negative sounding, though obviously its lyrics are.
Certainly a classic album. About the only song I can't get behind is "The Becoming" – but it's actually because it may be the best example of the way TDS is designed, which is to create as much discomfort as possible (though also building in shifts in mood). So, I quite like the acoustic sections, but the machine bits have that awful background loop of people screaming from Robot Joxx, and it annoys the hell out of me. I've hated it since I first heard the record in 2002ish. Mission accomplished, sorta!
It took a long time to get into "Heresy" as well, mostly because of the ridiculous falsetto vocals. Once I heard the demo version, though, all was good. It's far more menacing.
Even "Burn" (about the only proper b-side) is fantastic, aggro teenage lyrics aside.
I have a constant debate in my head about whether TDS or The Fragile should be considered the NIN '90s classic, but it's because TF may be my favourite album ever. Sales and attention-wise, TDS clearly wins in terms of cultural appreciation and impact.
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Still possibly my favourite album of all time. Individual songs are first class and the entirety and the flow of the album are near flawless.
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I have a constant debate in my head about whether TDS or The Fragile should be considered the NIN '90s classic, but it's because TF may be my favourite album ever. Sales and attention-wise, TDS clearly wins in terms of cultural appreciation and impact.
The two are classics anyway ;)
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For me this was a new age of music and the catilisy for other bands to add electronica to rock. This was the perfect mix and lead to bands like Stabbing Westward ect...
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A beast of a CD, from start to finish, Angel Dust is. Faith No More is another band I got into long after their peak - I think it was about a decade ago - but this album blew my doors off when I heard it. The classic status this record has is more than obvious. I don't listen to FNM that much these days, but when I do, Angel Dust is what I always reach for. :coolio
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Don't think I've heard a single song off of it.
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Absolutely AMAZING album. Easily FNM's best work. It's too bad Jim really didn't care for it. I saw them in Seattle on this tour, and he became so frustrated at one point that he simply threw down his guitar and walked off the stage. The band had to improvise for about 5 minutes or so before he would come back out and finish the show. It seemed clear (and he hinted in a couple interviews) that he really didn't care for Patton infusing some of the Bungle sound into FNM. But most fans agree that the hybrid created here was nothing short of brilliant.
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My brother loves, loves this album but I liked The Real Thing better. Still a very good album.
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It seemed clear (and he hinted in a couple interviews) that he really didn't care for Patton infusing some of the Bungle sound into FNM.
Can't argue with him.
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I liked The Real Thing better
Ditto. Still a few good tracks on this that I enjoyed.
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Angel Dust is definitely the best FNM album. While I love The Real Thing, Patton infusing FNM with more of a Bungle vibe was what really made them awesome IMO.
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I liked The Real Thing better
Ditto. Still a few good tracks on this that I enjoyed.
Easily this.
Everything's Ruined and Midlife Crisis are great, a few other half ok tracks, but I didn't care for the overall direction from here.
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Bought this when it came out, and it blew my mind. In a bad way. I wasn't in a good place mentally at that time, had a crush on someone at work which wasn't reciprocated.
I started calling her while she had a boyfriend and when I started writing lyrics from 'Midlife Crisis' on a whiteboard at work, I realised I had problems.
I loved this record from start to finish. The wild sprawling keyboard in the opener, Cafeine, smilelobber, Be Agressive, Kindergarten, Crack Hitler, Smaller and Smaller, all terrific tracks imo.
A monster of a record, in more ways then the obvious.
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Never liked FNM.
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Pretty good album although I've never been huge on it.
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I preferred Album of The Year - to the surprise of absolutely no-one in this thread :lol
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I waiver on TRT and Angel Dust. I guess I lean more towards TRT because it is more catchy, but the best moments of Angel Dust are among the best FNM music in their catalog.
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Faith No More were one of the first rock bands I was drawn to, and I’m still quite a fan.
But though The Real Thing, Angel Dust and King for a Day are all very good, I don’t consider any of them classics.
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Midlife Crisis might be my favorite FNM songs, so obviously I love this album.
Land of Sunshine is a great opener.
Never thought I would like a song like Be Aggressive, but here I am. In love with a song that basically has a cheerleader chant feel.
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Faith No More were one of the first rock bands I was drawn to, and I’m still quite a fan.
But though The Real Thing, Angel Dust and King for a Day are all very good, I don’t consider any of them classics.
yeah, I'd have to agree with that. classic SONGS on all of them, but I don't think the albums as a whole are classical gas.
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I had Angel Dust in my Top 50 Albums list. Stellar album.
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Perfect album! This and the other FNM albums, and later the Mr Bungle ones, opened my mind when I was fourteen. My favourites these days are the most metal songs like Caffeine, smilelobber and Malpractice (this one is in my top 5 FNM' songs and was the one I took most of the time to appreciate it)
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Is the system censoring smilelobber, or is everyone just spelling it wrong?
EDIT - OMG.... Every swear word imaginable is allowed on this forum, and the system auto corrects j-i-z-z?? That's just ridiculous....
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^^ For some reason, also, the word hand*egg without the * is corrected as girl.
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A beast of a CD, from start to finish, Angel Dust is. Faith No More is another band I got into long after their peak - I think it was about a decade ago - but this album blew my doors off when I heard it. The classic status this record has is more than obvious. I don't listen to FNM that much these days, but when I do, Angel Dust is what I always reach for. :coolio
Going to listen to this tonight and I'll report what I think about it.
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Fantastic record, yes sir :hefdaddy
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Is the system censoring smilelobber, or is everyone just spelling it wrong?
EDIT - OMG.... Every swear word imaginable is allowed on this forum, and the system auto corrects j-i-z-z?? That's just ridiculous....
Haha, didn't even notice it when I typed it....
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Great album.
The Real Thing and especially Epic put them on the map for me, but this one took them a whole step further. Much more experimental and variety and probably therefore some misses, but when they are on they are on big time.
And here Patton ditches his kind of nasal singing he practises on TRT and really shines vocally.
On most days this is my favorite FNM record, only sometimes surpassed by King For A Day.
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Is the system censoring smilelobber, or is everyone just spelling it wrong?
EDIT - OMG.... Every swear word imaginable is allowed on this forum, and the system auto corrects j-i-z-z?? That's just ridiculous....
Haha, didn't even notice it when I typed it....
Me too :lol
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Is the system censoring smilelobber, or is everyone just spelling it wrong?
EDIT - OMG.... Every swear word imaginable is allowed on this forum, and the system auto corrects j-i-z-z?? That's just ridiculous....
You have the filter on.
That particular item was added to the filter when "smileed in my pants" became a common phrase. We thought "smiled in my pants" was funnier.
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Angel Dust is my favorite FNM record, and easily in my top 10 of all time. Amazing stuff.
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^^ For some reason, also, the word hand*egg without the * is corrected as girl.
There's also one other weird one which I forgot.
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Is the system censoring smilelobber, or is everyone just spelling it wrong?
hahaha what kind of idiot shoots for j-i-z-z and lands on s-m-i-l-e
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Faith No More were one of the first rock bands I was drawn to, and I’m still quite a fan.
But though The Real Thing, Angel Dust and King for a Day are all very good, I don’t consider any of them classics.
yeah, I'd have to agree with that. classic SONGS on all of them, but I don't think the albums as a whole are classical gas.
The Real Thing comes pretty close for me, as a full album. Angel Dust has some great songs but I'm not sure it's quite there as a full album. A little too inconsistent but it's still definitely is a classic, regardless of my feelings on the matter. Just too much universal praise and all that.
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Love it or hate it, Metallica's self-titled album is undoubtedly a classic. I didn't become a Metallica fan till 1996, but I always thought "Wherever I May Roam" was awesome. Oddly, I finally got into "Enter Sandman" when I kept hearing the intro played during puck stoppages at Blues games during the 1995-1996, a season in which we went to a lot of games. One time I heard and thought, "Okay, this song is pretty sweet." I then borrowed my brother Mark's copy of it, and thanks to his recommendations, fell in love with the deep cuts, namely "Don't Tread on Me" and the last four songs. To this day, I am still not wild about "The Unforgiven" or "Nothing Else Matters," even thought I totally get they were so popular and still so beloved. Metallica isn't a favorite of mine by any stretch of the imagination, and I still prefer their 2nd and 3rd albums over this, but this album really is pretty damn good. :metal
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Sad But True, The Unforgiven, and Nothing Else Matters would be among my favourite songs by the band, and there are a number of other good songs here too. Regardless of whether it's back to front brilliant, the band found a pretty neat mainstream metal sound on this one, and this was also one of the albums that caught my ear the most when I was first getting into rock music, so I have no issue with it being considered a classic.
I then borrowed my brother Mark's copy of it, and thanks to his recommendations, fell in love with the deep cuts, namely "Don't Tread on Me" and the last four songs.
Even at my most foaming at the mouth, bending down and worshipping everything Metallica ever did period, I couldn't stand the last three songs on this album. The way I see it, the band had an album finished with tracks 1-9, but weren't happy with the length, so they threw what would otherwise have been B-sides, and bad ones at that, on the end to fill it out.
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The last Metallica album I bought. In fact, I don't even think I bought it, but borrowed it. I was riding high off Lightning, Puppets and Justice, so this was a serious nosedive for me.
Sometimes I go back to stuff like this and realize I was a bit too hard on an album based off previous album bias. But my initial reaction isn't all that different now. And I tried hard to like this album. I had my headphones on listening to it at work and it just didn't work for me. Even withheld judgment to my Metallibuddies. Can't remember which one of us broke first with "well, to be honest, I'm not really digging it" to which a chorus of "I know, right" flooded. Once we had validation that we weren't just being musical snobs caught in our own private critique hell, we purged our frustrations.
The nail in the coffin was a high school buddy that made fun of me for liking Metallica was now telling me how great they were. Ok. Mr. Horrible Music Taste likes it. Yet another validation.
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A great metal album. His sin is that it came after albums like RTL, MOP and AJFA.
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The last Metallica album I bought. In fact, I don't even think I bought it, but borrowed it. I was riding high off Lightning, Puppets and Justice, so this was a serious nosedive for me.
Sometimes I go back to stuff like this and realize I was a bit too hard on an album based off previous album bias. But my initial reaction isn't all that different now. And I tried hard to like this album. I had my headphones on listening to it at work and it just didn't work for me. Even withheld judgment to my Metallibuddies. Can't remember which one of us broke first with "well, to be honest, I'm not really digging it" to which a chorus of "I know, right" flooded. Once we had validation that we weren't just being musical snobs caught in our own private critique hell, we purged our frustrations.
The nail in the coffin was a high school buddy that made fun of me for liking Metallica was now telling me how great they were. Ok. Mr. Horrible Music Taste likes it. Yet another validation.
It's like you're in my head right now. I could have typed every word of this.
I just remember that my band mates and I were SO PSYCHED to bring home the new Metallica album. The video for One had exposed the band to a much bigger audience, and they seemed poised to release a brutal masterpiece of face-crushing thrash to the masses and really take thrash to the next level. .........and then this happened.
I think my exact reaction was, "What is this? I can *DANCE* to this!!! What the ****?????"
I like Sad But True and Of Wolf and Man, and there are other songs that were OK but they slip my mind at the moment. It's a pretty dull album overall, though the production is fantastic. Between this and St. Anger, I prefer St. Anger.
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Dance to it? :lol
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I could see a slow dance to Nothing Else Matters, I suppose, but other than that, I don't see it.
I get where jammindude is coming from - fans hate it when THEIR band becomes EVERYONE'S band - but all this shows once again is what a bitch expectations are.
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I cannot dance....but I can dance to Enter Sandman.
It wasn't that they got huge, it was HOW they got huge. We WANTED the masses to love what Metallica was chucking out. We WANTED 10 million thrash metal maniacs. We WANTED the brutality to finally have its day in the sun. But The Black Album is extremely "watered down" compared to what came before it.
It was seriously like RTL, MoP and AFJA were all foreplay........and then the payoff was like, "oh, that's it?"
They needed to do something new, but I wish they would have taken the darker path. Take it up a notch. Experiment with tribal beats and do what Sepultura hadn't done yet....something like that. If Metallica would have released Chaos A.D., and *that" had sold 10 million copies, I would have been happy.
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Brutality DID have its day in the sun, though. I am not sure anything that heavy had ever been that popular before. Even a "watered down" Metallica in 1991 was still heavier than stuff by Sabbath or Priest that was so popular.
That was when, right or wrong, it became cool and hip for the masses to like metal.
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My favourite Metallica album (by far) and one of the absolute greats as far as I'm concerned. :2metal:
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A great metal album. His sin is that it came after albums like RTL, MOP and AJFA.
Extending my thoughts, i think all of these three albums i mentioned are much better than The Black Album but that doesn't make it bad or anything. A tad disappointing? Yeah, but still a great metal album.
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Metallica is a great album. It's different from their previous output, but I wouldn't put it against them to try something new. What is tiring is if they keep on churning out the same music over and over again.
I also don't think Metallica deliberately made their music sound mainstream with this album. It's just a matter of the mainstream liking what they made here.
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To me MoP is the classic of classics for them but this is my second favourite. When it came out the diehards were up in arms about it being a sell out , but now most can only wish for a return to this sort of form.
Other than The God That Failed I really like just about everything on it.
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My favourite Metallica album (by far) and one of the absolute greats as far as I'm concerned. :2metal:
This! :metal
Some people consider this a sell-out album because of the change of direction, but I think of it as a band progressing and maturing in their songwriting. The music is still heavy, even if not thrashy, and a lot of the songs are quite layered and complex, and much more melodic. The fact that it has become the best selling album of '91 onwards is a sign that it's timelessly good music that was in the right place at the right time.
There are a couple of clunkers on there, like Holier Than Thou and The Struggle Within (which are still tolerable), but everything else is at least good.
Basically, thrash fans can eat my poo, because TBA is amazing.
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The Struggle Within is really the only track I'm not too fond of.
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It's just the two for me. And I forgot to mention how beautiful the production is. For a start, you can hear the bass. :lol
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My favourite Metallica album (by far) and one of the absolute greats as far as I'm concerned. :2metal:
This! :metal
Some people consider this a sell-out album because of the change of direction, but I think of it as a band progressing and maturing in their songwriting. The music is still heavy, even if not thrashy, and a lot of the songs are quite layered and complex, and much more melodic. The fact that it has become the best selling album of '91 onwards is a sign that it's timelessly good music that was in the right place at the right time.
There are a couple of clunkers on there, like Holier Than Thou and The Struggle Within (which are still tolerable), but everything else is at least good.
Basically, thrash fans can eat my poo, because TBA is amazing.
For the most part, this.
The album basically transcended metal, and was able to show a larger audience how awesome metal can be.
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
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whos that band never heard of them
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I'm not a huge Metallica fan, but the Black Album is definitely a classic and a great album. I've never really cared for thrash, so I have no problem with the mid-tempo songs and ballads, though Justice was the peak of the band's creativity IMO.
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Let's see how this one goes over.
From metal to country:
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I am not a fan of country, and I am really not a fan of country pop that has oversaturated the market in the last few decades, but I have to admit that I like some of the songs on Come On Over. I think it was maybe the summer of 1998 when some guy at work was talking about going to the Shania Twain concert, and I was like, "Who?" I had never heard of her, but when he said it was country, I immediately shuddered. Of course, when he showed me what she looked like, I was pretty impressed. She was in my top 5 attractive famous people for quite a few years. In her prime, she was as about as attractive as you could get (the exception always being Charlize Theron, who is the like the most beautiful woman ever). Anyway, "From This Moment On" and "You're Still the One" are both more pop than anything, and both are nice pop songs. I enjoy the silly stupidity of a song like "Don't Be Stupid." This had other monster hits, one I do not like, that big contributors in this being, wait for it, the biggest selling album of the 90s. Love or hate country, and I generally hate it, but the popularity and classic status of this record cannot be denied.
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A fine album.
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See my signature.
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To me MoP is the classic of classics for them but this is my second favourite. When it came out the diehards were up in arms about it being a sell out , but now most can only wish for a return to this sort of form.
Other than The God That Failed I really like just about everything on it.
Word.
re: Come On Over... it made my Top 50 album list. Excellent album (gfy Joe :lol). Not only the best selling album of the 90s, but the best-selling album ever released by a female artist in any genre, ever. It's also in the Top 10 best selling albums of all time (reportedly selling more copies than albums like Zeppelin IV, Hotel California, Sgt Peppers, and Born in the USA). Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Of course, aided by the fact that From This Moment is my wedding song. This is a terrific album.
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:lol
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I only liked, "Man, I Feel Like A Woman." Hate country, and pop dressed up as country, for that matter.
When jingle.boy said what albums it outsold, I immediately looked up the numbers, and then albums I've heard that are among the top selling of all time. While it has outsold Hotel California, it hasn't outsold (The Eagles) Their Greatest Hits. Was relieved to see that it had at least passed TLC's CrazySexyCool and the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. Not sure if it has outsold (worldwide sales; certainly U.S.) Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, but I neither like nor hate that album.
KevShmev is right that Charlize Theron is one of, if not THE, most beautiful woman going.
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Whether it be 80's or 90's albums, we always end up talking about Mutt Lange at some point. This time, he married the person he made a star, though I believe they split up a long time ago.
I never cared for her, her style, or her albums...but I still admit the songs are catchy. And it is truly embarrassing when you're on a construction site and "Man, I Feel Like a Woman" gets stuck in your head. ::)
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Is she the one who had that song I had to learn some sock hop dance to in 5th grade? Come on, my school couldn't have been the only one to do that annoying shit.
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fuck my mum thrashed this album when I was young. I was a STRICTLY METALLUM kinda guy but I have to admit I remember some of these songs just as well as all the metal I was consuming. really fantastic melodies on some of em. some of the slower moments are super emoootional.
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Now we're talking. A great album and a seriously hot lady. I own this album (all her albums in fact.
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Sure, it was popular but that alone doesn't make it a classic imo.
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Sure, it was popular but that alone doesn't make it a classic imo.
Oh trust me. I freakin HATE this album....I mean I truly despise this album. It represents everything I hate about the regurgitated phlegm that people swallow down whole as "music".
....but it is a 90's classic. That is a fact that cannot be wished away no matter how much I wish it weren't so.
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Sure, it was popular but that alone doesn't make it a classic imo.
I'm the furthest from being a county music fan but this album did transcend to fans of different genres and that's why it was so big and yes, thats why it's a classic.
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See my signature.
:metal
KevShmev is right that Charlize Theron is one of, if not THE, most beautiful woman going.
:blush
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I know it made history and all but, personally, a classic album should be more than just decent musically.
Of couse we all have different perspectives on what a classic album really is so Come on Over sure deserves to be featured due to all his accolades.
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No reason to argue about the classic album status when there are hardly any rules to use to begin with.
Maybe just rename the thread KevShmev's 90s Classic Albums because classic is subjective when put to a group of people, but not to a single person. Then we can stop debating classic status.
That said. Shania Twain was not my cup of tea, musically.
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I know it made history and all but, personally, a classic album should be more than just decent musically.
Of couse we all have different perspectives on what a classic album really is so Come on Over sure deserves to be featured due to all his accolades.
Please take this somewhere else, instead of containing to crap in both classic albums threads. You clearly have a problem with the way I am running them, unlike everyone else, so please just stay out of them. Thanks, bye.
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Seriously? I gave some feedback in both of your threads but it's like you only have eyes for the negative ones.
And no, even after you being rude and calling my opinion "crap" i will still comment on your threads. Giving opinions isn't against the rules, or is it?
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I've got to agree with Kev. You're negative a lot in this thread when he's not covering the albums you love from the 80's. This thread is fairly new and you've got to give him time to pick albums from so many genres from this decade. He's trying to please all people.
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Exactly. Heck, I generally hate country and rap, but have featured both in these threads (and just not a token one for the hell of it). I am trying to space them out, instead of doing all of the obvious ones at first (heck, I have done almost 70 albums in the 80s thread and just recently did The Joshua Tree!), and hit different genres. I've gotten tons of positive feedback in the two threads and via PM, so I know that most are enjoying them a lot and going with the flow. :coolio :hat
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I've got to agree with Kev. You're negative a lot in this thread when he's not covering the albums you love from the 80's. This thread is fairly new and you've got to give him time to pick albums from so many genres from this decade. He's trying to please all people.
I honestly don't think so. Point in case, Come on Over was the very first album here that i expressed a negative opinion, although i didn't condemn it being chosen ( i don't even have rights to do that since it isn't my thread). And i don't get that overreaction to the point of Kev telling me to stay out of his threads. It was like i said something offensive.
In that case, i would apologize but i don't think i did anything wrong at all :sad:
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don't dare disrespect Shania.
ever.
EDIT: but yeah. I don't see you as being overly negative but meh. I enjoy these threads, and generally just stay away when I see an artist I don't like in the thread title :lol
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Seriously? I gave some feedback in both of your threads but it's like you only have eyes for the negative ones.
And no, even after you being rude and calling my opinion "crap" i will still comment on your threads. Giving opinions isn't against the rules, or is it?
Dude, this is not the first time you've disrupted these threads with negative or disparaging comments. It's pretty poor form to take somebody else's idea/thread and then just crap all over they way they are doing it. Go start your own. You've been pretty much a Debby Downer with most of your comments in these threads.
Take it somewhere else and let the rest of us have some fun. If you have a suggestion, Email it to Kev. Otherwise.... play nice or get out.
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I am more than open to recommendations on particular albums/artists. As I said in the first post on this and the 80s thread, PM away and I will not only take them into strong consideration, but am more likely to bump them up near the front of the line. That applies to everyone, including you, Outcrier. Bring on the recommendations! :tup :tup
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Dude, this is not the first time you've disrupted these threads with negative or disparaging comments. It's pretty poor form to take somebody else's idea/thread and then just crap all over they way they are doing it. Go start your own. You've been pretty much a Debby Downer with most of your comments in these threads.
Take it somewhere else and let the rest of us have some fun. If you have a suggestion, Email it to Kev. Otherwise.... play nice or get out.
Again, where did i make a disparaging comment or crapped all over his thread? Hyperbole much?
And please drop that "Play nice or get out" attitude. You're treating me like i disrespected someone or violated some forum rule.
EDIT: but yeah. I don't see you as being overly negative but meh. I enjoy these threads, and generally just stay away when I see an artist I don't like in the thread title :lol
Thanks. Nice to hear that from someone with an unbiased judgement.
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You may not have violated a forum rule, but I certainly feel you have disrespected Kev every time you've called into question the way he was doing a thread that was his idea, and that he started....and not very nicely, I might add.
But I refuse to derail this thread any further.
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Gonna jump in past all that and say that Shania Twain will always be a favorite of mine.
:heart
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I know it made history and all but, personally, a classic album should be more than just decent musically.
But it is more than decent musically. Just because it's not your cup of tea does not mean that it's not decent.
I am a 1990s guy. Those are my high school to college years. And you can not say you are discussing 1990s music if you do not include Shania Twain. Kev, bring in Tina Arena also so that we can increase the hotness factor here. :lol
And for that matter, if we really want this to be a 90s classic albums thread, we should be seeing more Boyz II Men, Maria Carey, and at least one boyband album. Like it or not, the 1990s are not complete without them. I am still waiting for New Kids on The Block to show up in the 80s classic thread. :lol
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Perhaps we should let the past stay there and not look to point fingers, but maybe just try to make it an unwritten rule that we take disputing the classic status of an album off the table and move forward? Plain and simple. It isn't like we would be able to get near unanimous agreement anyway, so why try?
And I don't want Outcrier to leave the thread. He's obviously coming from a slightly different musical background and I think it can add to the thread.
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This thread is about classic 90's albums. This album and Shania Twain were a pretty big thing in the 90's. Whether you like it or think it's good music is one thing, but I don't understand how anyone could dispute that this is a 90's classic album. :huh:
I'd even go so far as to say that it would have been a failure on Kev's part had he not featured this album in the thread at some point.
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This thread is about classic 90's albums. This album and Shania Twain were a pretty big thing in the 90's. Whether you like it or think it's good music is one thing, but I don't understand how anyone could dispute that this is a 90's classic album. :huh:
I'd even go so far as to say that it would have been a failure on Kev's part had he not featured this album in the thread at some point.
He should take seriously my recommendation of The Bodyguard soundtrack. :lol
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I know it made history and all but, personally, a classic album should be more than just decent musically.
But it is more than decent musically. Just because it's not your cup of tea does not mean that it's not decent.
Hey, i meant that as a personal opinion, not as a fact :lol
I am more than open to recommendations on particular albums/artists. As I said in the first post on this and the 80s thread, PM away and I will not only take them into strong consideration, but am more likely to bump them up near the front of the line. That applies to everyone, including you, Outcrier.
I thought you wanted me to leave :-*
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And for that matter, if we really want this to be a 90s classic albums thread, we should be seeing more Boyz II Men, Maria Carey, and at least one boyband album. Like it or not, the 1990s are not complete without them. I am still waiting for New Kids on The Block to show up in the 80s classic thread. :lol
You forgot the Spice Girls.
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The Woman In Me is a fantastic album full of great hooks and fun songs. I'm proud to say I was a fan of Shania before she became famous.
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And for that matter, if we really want this to be a 90s classic albums thread, we should be seeing more Boyz II Men, Maria Carey, and at least one boyband album. Like it or not, the 1990s are not complete without them. I am still waiting for New Kids on The Block to show up in the 80s classic thread. :lol
You forgot the Spice Girls.
:tup
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I'm sorry you guys but i'm with Outcrier on this one. Everyone has their own definition of a "classic" album but to me,a classic album should still have it's charm and stand the test of time. For example,if we make a 00s Classic Albums,are we gonna have some Justin Bieber shit on there or something from a much more important and influential band. Of course that Shania Twain album sold buckets in the 90s but does it still hold up? Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence? I'm sorry but no. I'm still following this though,since it is still in the first few pages.
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Of course that Shania Twain album sold buckets in the 90s but does it still hold up? Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence? I'm sorry but no.
I might be able to get behind this if the point of the thread were about the most influential albums of the 90's but alas it is not. As far as I'm concerned, an album only needs to have been popular, well known, and well respected during its era to be a "classic" of that era. I feel this album qualifies, because Shania Twain was a big deal in the 90's. I don't see how her continued influence on popular music (or lack thereof) 20 years later has any relevance.
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I'm sorry you guys but i'm with Outcrier on this one. Everyone has their own definition of a "classic" album but to me,a classic album should still have it's charm and stand the test of time. For example,if we make a 00s Classic Albums,are we gonna have some Justin Bieber shit on there or something from a much more important and influential band. Of course that Shania Twain album sold buckets in the 90s but does it still hold up? Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence? I'm sorry but no. I'm still following this though,since it is still in the first few pages.
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Of course that Shania Twain album sold buckets in the 90s but does it still hold up? Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence? I'm sorry but no.
I might be able to get behind this if the point of the thread were about the most influential albums of the 90's but alas it is not. As far as I'm concerned, an album only needs to have been popular, well known, and well respected during its era to be a "classic" of that era. I feel this album qualifies, because Shania Twain was a big deal in the 90's. I don't see how her continued influence on popular music (or lack thereof) 20 years later has any relevance.
Actually I've changed my mind. Shania Twain may not have influenced many current/new artists of today, but I'm sure a lot of artists in the 90's would have cited her as an influence back in the day. So even if the thread were titled "Influential albums of the 90's" I would still argue for the inclusion of Come On Over, even if that influence were relatively short-lived.
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He should take seriously my recommendation of The Bodyguard soundtrack. :lol
Who said I didn't? JHC, some patience here might be in order. I just started this damn thread. I can't feature everything at once. :facepalm:
I'm sorry you guys but i'm with Outcrier on this one. Everyone has their own definition of a "classic" album but to me,a classic album should still have it's charm and stand the test of time. For example,if we make a 00s Classic Albums,are we gonna have some Justin Bieber shit on there or something from a much more important and influential band. Of course that Shania Twain album sold buckets in the 90s but does it still hold up? Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence? I'm sorry but no. I'm still following this though,since it is still in the first few pages.
No offense, but I don't feel the need to check with you before I feature an album to make sure you approve of its classic album status.
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I'm sorry you guys but i'm with Outcrier on this one. Everyone has their own definition of a "classic" album but to me,a classic album should still have it's charm and stand the test of time. For example,if we make a 00s Classic Albums,are we gonna have some Justin Bieber shit on there or something from a much more important and influential band. Of course that Shania Twain album sold buckets in the 90s but does it still hold up? Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence? I'm sorry but no. I'm still following this though,since it is still in the first few pages.
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so...much...this...
"Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence?"
As much as I wish it weren't so, the answer is a resounding YES. I honestly wish it weren't so...but the influence of this album can't be understated. It's just a fact, whether I like it or not...and I don't.
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Somebody just start the "What makes an album a classic?" thread already. For this thread, KevShmev should be the jury of one. Most albums are only featured for 24 to 72 hours, so it is hardly torture to deal with an album you think isn't up to your standards.
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Most albums are only featured for 24 to 72 hours, so it is hardly torture to deal with an album you think isn't up to your standards.
Exactly. I don’t care for Shania Twain, but my only thought was “meh, I’ll wait a day or two”. And there are others who have warm feelings for it.
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He should take seriously my recommendation of The Bodyguard soundtrack. :lol
Who said I didn't? JHC, some patience here might be in order. I just started this damn thread. I can't feature everything at once. :facepalm:
It was a joke, Kev. Sorry if the smiley was not clear. Still waiting for the 80s thread to feature Poison. :lol
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It was a joke, Kev. Sorry if the smiley was not clear. Still waiting for the 80s thread to feature Poison. :lol
I chalk it up to Kev's classic thread PTSD. Everything is making him jump now.
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My classics are more classic than your classics, biatch.
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This is obviously not a classic. It only sold eleventy billion copies, it was obviously not cool or classic in any way ever, much less in the 90s when it came out.
Only stuff by relatively obscure niche bands that influenced other relatively obscure niche bands could possibly be considered "classic" in any way.
Yeah, this is a good album, even today. It was massive.
My wife and I actually performed "From This Moment" at a wedding a few months ago. It's still big.
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Kev, change the title to 90's albums so you don't have to deal with semantics.
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He doesn't have to. Only snobs would not find the biggest selling album of a female artist a classic.
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Kev, change the title to 90's albums so you don't have to deal with semantics.
No need for that.
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I'm sorry you guys but i'm with Outcrier on this one. Everyone has their own definition of a "classic" album but to me,a classic album should still have it's charm and stand the test of time. For example,if we make a 00s Classic Albums,are we gonna have some Justin Bieber shit on there or something from a much more important and influential band. Of course that Shania Twain album sold buckets in the 90s but does it still hold up? Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence? I'm sorry but no. I'm still following this though,since it is still in the first few pages.
(https://serverfault.sk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/128-double-facepalm-when-the-fail-is-so-strong-one-facepalm-is-not-enough.jpg)
so...much...this...
"Do musicians and bands from today refer to her as an influence?"
As much as I wish it weren't so, the answer is a resounding YES. I honestly wish it weren't so...but the influence of this album can't be understated. It's just a fact, whether I like it or not...and I don't.
I think Shania Twain and Garth Brooks are the ones that saved country music, then a slowly dying genre, by crossing it over with pop and rock. That mix of country, pop and rock elements can be clearly heard today with artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood.
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Kev, change the title to 90's albums so you don't have to deal with semantics.
No need for that.
Yep, not gonna happen.
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I think Shania Twain and Garth Brooks are the ones that saved country music, then a slowly dying genre, by crossing it over with pop and rock. That mix of country, pop and rock elements can be clearly heard today with artists like Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood.
yup, there's your influence right there put it right thuurrrrr
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No offense, but I don't feel the need to check with you before I feature an album to make sure you approve of its classic album status.
No one said you have to do so, we just give your opinions on that particular album. I don't see what's the big deal about it.
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No offense, but I don't feel the need to check with you before I feature an album to make sure you approve of its classic album status.
No one said you have to do so, we just give your opinions on that particular album. I don't see what's the big deal about it.
But saying you don't like an album is a direct answer to the discussion. Challenging its classic status is more of a challenge to the thread itself. Why can't we stop making this about personal disputes, accept that this thread is not looking to make a definitive list of what is and what is not a classic album and just move forward?
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No problem. If i knew it was gonna be taken that way, i would never have said anything in the first place :blush
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No problem. If i knew it was gonna be taken that way, i would never have said anything in the first place :blush
Awesome. I'm glad you will stick around because part of what I want to take from this thread (besides the nostalgia trip) is to see an album I didn't really get into and have somebody give a few reasons why they liked that album so I can zero in on those possibilities. That will probably take somebody that's taste does not mirror mine to a large degree, and you are one those people that are most likely to point out the positives of an album most DT fans will have little to discuss.
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I think anybody who was gonna say anything about Shania Twain has probably said it ;), so we move on with:
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I will be honest: I do not like the Red Hot Chili Peppers. At all. I fully acknowledge that they are a talented band, especially Flea, and Blood Sugar Sex Magik is an obvious classic, but they just aren't my cup of tea, so in the words of Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that.
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I will be honest: I do not like the Red Hot Chili Peppers. At all.
Pretty much this. Under The Bridge was on the radio every 10 mins in my college years and drove me around the bend.
I like their Higher Ground cover but that's about it.
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Blood Sugar is where their funky side shines the most. Probably my favorite album by them even though i don't mind the more melodic and commercial nature that came with Californication later that decade (which kinda was hinted by some songs here like Under the Bridge).
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ya know, Blood Sugar is the one that most fans zero in on as the best Chili's album, and its definitely a 90s classic, but One Hot Minute I think is a far superior record.
There are some real gems on this album tho, although the last few tracks I never really dug ("There's a devil in my dick/and some demons in my semen" really dude? you're fucked in the head, guy). But ou can't go wrong with Suck My Kiss, Breaking the Girl, Mellowship Slinky, Power of Equality. Yeah, theres some good white boy funk in there.
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Oh, it’s the Let’s Gratuitously Namedrop California in Every Single Song Quartet.
Was Californication not a bigger album than this though? Potentially much of a muchness, but still.
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Oh sure...go for the easy one. :angel: j/k
BSSM is a pretty amazing album. The Chili Peps kinda peaked with this one. I lost interest in them after this. I had been a fan since the early college radio days, and I personally really love the early albums. (my all time favorite RHCP album is The Uplift Mofo Party Plan) Maybe I'm a hipster, but I just feel like the band lost something when Hillel died that they never quite got back. Such a sad tragedy.
Still can't deny that this is one hell of an album, though.
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Pretty much this. Under The Bridge was on the radio every 10 mins in my college years and drove me around the bend.
I'd rather have that than what we get every 10 mins from what passes as pop music these days. ;)
I get the hype about Flea, but I never got the hype about John Frusciante.
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I'd rather have that than what we get every 10 mins from what passes as pop music these days. ;)
I won't argue that :lol You mentioning Tina Arena yesterday gave me a laugh too - I'm surprised anyone outside Australia or France knows her. She was one of the child stars that we grew up with in Australia on a show called Young Talent Time..................sorta like whatever Britney was on in the US. Was it Mickey Mouse Club??
But yeah..............I'd rather look at (and probably listen to) her than Anthony Kiedis. ;D
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Tina Arena rocks because her drummer is Virgil Donati. :metal :lol
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Just like Rihanna rocks because her guitarist is Nuno.............no no ;D
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Sorry for derailing this thread but I have to confess that I reapetedly watched Tina Arena when I discovered her with her Burn video. :lol
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So, the Chili Peppers! Great album, probably could have done with some trimming. They recorded this in someone's house with Rick Rubin and took all their time, and it shows. They really let the creative juices flow (and maybe some more). They definetely went for the Funk with this album. I could go on about some great songs that are on this, but I won't. Someone talked about some offending lyrics, but it's really just words that fit the rhythm of the music. Off course, they peaked with Uplift Mofo Party Plan and I was a fan after that, then they lost Hilel, and never really recovered. They put all their anger and hurt in the great 'Mother's Milk' album, (listen to 'Knock me down' for some serious grief therapy) and became better musicians and it shows on BSSM. But the insanity they became famous for was gone forever.
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I get the hype about Flea, but I never got the hype about John Frusciante.
This. I think he's a terrible guitarist.
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They recorded this in someone's house with Rick Rubin
Was it Headley Grange? As in, the famous Zeppelin house. I think I remember reading that somewhere, but I may be confusing it with De Loused in the Comatorium, which was recorded there with Rubin
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Figured RHCP was going to pop up eventually. Just wasn't sure which album it would be. I became hooked with Mother's Milk with the song Knock Me Down. Love that song to death. The whole album is pretty outstanding.
BSSM was when the rest of my friends came around to RHCP. Although I liked it at first, the ridiculous amount of repetition of Under the Bridge and Give It Away left me with enough listens for 10 lifetimes. Breaking the Girl probably held up the best on this album for me.
But the album that is their peak for me is Californication.
What do all these albums have in common? John Frusciante. So I don't doubt what he brings to the table.
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I don't consider myself a RHCP fan, but as Cal says, Mother's Milk is an awesome album.
The only other one I have is One Hot Minute, which as far as I can tell, is their heaviest album, and I think that's why I liked it. I actually saw them on that tour at the Garden and they were great.
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Californication is indeed an outstanding album.
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BSSM is a fantastic album. Lots of hooks and all the funk.
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ya know, Blood Sugar is the one that most fans zero in on as the best Chili's album, and its definitely a 90s classic, but One Hot Minute I think is a far superior record.
This guy gets it.
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Pretty nice album tbh,I got it on vinyl couple years back as a gift. Not something that I would buy for myself but there are some solid tracks here. Also,Frusciante is fucking great. Just listen to his solo stuff.
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BSSM is amazing. "Sir Psycho Sexy" is by far the best track on the album. Full of sex and funk.
And No.. "One Hot Minute" is not their best body of work. It's different and I do like it, but I'd say "By the Way" or "Californication" are close second place.
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This. I think he's a terrible guitarist.
You've said some oddball things before, but this one takes the cake.
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And No.. "One Hot Minute" is not their best body of work. It's different and I do like it, but I'd say "By the Way" or "Californication" are close second place.
That was never said. It's better than BSSM. I would say everything from OHM on was better than BSSM (at least up to Stadium Arcadium). But that's just me.
Edit: In any event, there's no denying that BSSM should be listed as a '90s classic. It was way more popular that OHM and put the Chili Peppers on the mainstream map with Under the Bridge.
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And No.. "One Hot Minute" is not their best body of work. It's different and I do like it, but I'd say "By the Way" or "Californication" are close second place.
Actually, that's my top 3 from them (Blood Sugar, Californication and By The Way).
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And No.. "One Hot Minute" is not their best body of work. It's different and I do like it, but I'd say "By the Way" or "Californication" are close second place.
That was never said. It's better than BSSM. I would say everything from OHM on was better than BSSM (at least up to Stadium Arcadium). But that's just me.
Edit: In any event, there's no denying that BSSM should be listed as a '90s classic. It was way more popular that OHM and put the Chili Peppers on the mainstream map with Under the Bridge.
To me BSSM is their pinnacle, so when it was said OHM was better.. I just said "no f'n way is it their best". I like it.. it was hard to get into at first.. I missed Frusciante too much but I eventually got into it enough. Though I was also relieved when he came back.
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And No.. "One Hot Minute" is not their best body of work. It's different and I do like it, but I'd say "By the Way" or "Californication" are close second place.
Actually, that's my top 3 from them (Blood Sugar, Californication and By The Way).
By the way, in some ways had a lot more magic to it for me than Californication. I think they really had something there. Then they did Stadium Arcadium which I didn't really like at all.
Looking at Album Charts, Stadium Arcadiam sold better than By The Way. I should revisit it, though by then I had really fallen in love with DT and a bunch of prog and so former favorite bands (RHCP, Phish, Primus) were set aside for DT/Spock's Beard, etc.
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Is there anyone here who is really into the Hillel Slovak era?
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Is there anyone here who is really into the Hillel Slovak era?
I like mothers milk and uplift mofo but I'm in my late 30s now and didn't get into them until BSSM. I imagine you have a few years on me which makes sense why you like that era more.
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By the way, in some ways had a lot more magic to it for me than Californication. I think they really had something there.
I always gonna have a soft spot for By the Way mostly because it was the very first music album i've heard in its entirety.
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This. I think he's a terrible guitarist.
You've said some oddball things before, but this one takes the cake.
Nope. It's my taste and opinion. Get over it.
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This. I think he's a terrible guitarist.
You've said some oddball things before, but this one takes the cake.
Nope. It's my taste and opinion. Get over it.
Likewise that I think your opinions are nuttier than a fruitcake at Christmas. Get over it.
:corn :hat
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And No.. "One Hot Minute" is not their best body of work. It's different and I do like it, but I'd say "By the Way" or "Californication" are close second place.
That was never said. It's better than BSSM. I would say everything from OHM on was better than BSSM (at least up to Stadium Arcadium). But that's just me.
Edit: In any event, there's no denying that BSSM should be listed as a '90s classic. It was way more popular that OHM and put the Chili Peppers on the mainstream map with Under the Bridge.
To me BSSM is their pinnacle, so when it was said OHM was better.. I just said "no f'n way is it their best". I like it.. it was hard to get into at first.. I missed Frusciante too much but I eventually got into it enough. Though I was also relieved when he came back.
I think that the biggest problem is that people missed Frusciante during the OHM era, and didn't like what Navarro brought to the table, and in turn didn't like the way OHM turned out. It was pretty much the first RHCP album I listened to fully, and I had no idea who was even in the band so.
For me its their deepest album - lyrically it moves away from the cock-swinging, alpha male bullshit that I've always hated from Kiedis and into more subtler content. Couple that with Navarro's heavier approach to guitar (as TAC pointed out) and I think it makes for a fantastic record - certainly the Chili Pepper's record I would reach for 9 times out of 10, but in saying that I'm indifferent to most of everything else they've done.
In saying that, there's no denying BSSM's classicity.
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This. I think he's a terrible guitarist.
You've said some oddball things before, but this one takes the cake.
Nope. It's my taste and opinion. Get over it.
Likewise that I think your opinions are nuttier than a fruitcake at Christmas. Get over it.
:corn :hat
You may have a cake problem. You refer to it quite a lot. :corn
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RHCP has always been one of those bands I've been fairly meh towards. They definitely have some qualities, and upon hearing some of their hits, it becomes clear that they can write some catchy melodies, but they still never clicked for me. I think my main problem is Anthony Kiedis, he just seems so full of himself, and vocally he's not too interesting either.
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Anthony is a boring vocalist. Chad Smith plays pretty much the same thing on every song. Frusciante is appalling live. Flea carries the whole band.
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Anthony Kiedis, he just seems so full of himself, and vocally he's not too interesting either.
I think he's interesting. I just think AutoTune needed to happen a little earlier for him.
That is one thing that always made me laugh. Guitar for the Practicing Musician magazine used to have a section where guest musicians would listen to other artist's songs (without being told the artist) so they could comment for a paragraph or two. Almost every RHCP listen had the guest starting with "G Damn. Can the vocalist just pick a G Damn key already?"
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I think my main problem is Anthony Kiedis, he just seems so full of himself, and vocally he's not too interesting either.
yep. this guy... he gets it.
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First off, THIS IS TO DISCUSS THIS ALBUM, NOT DEBATE OVER WHICH DT ALBUMS ARE BETTER, MORE CLASSIC, ETC.
Now, on to Images and Words. I remember being blown to shreds when I heard "Pull Me Under" on the radio in late 1992/early 1993 (hard to remember exactly when). To me, it was like the 80s band Europe on steroids and with more balls: hard rocking band with an operatic singer and a cool use of keyboards in a dramatic way. Then I heard "Take the Time" and I just had to get the CD. Side 2 was kind of a blur at first, but I just remember being amazed at how BIG the whole thing sounded. It was so unique and so original. Little did I know then that Dream Theater would become one of my three favorite all-time bands, still being going strong 20+ years later, and that I'd be in my 15th year of posting on some variation of their "official" internet forum. Seems like so long ago. Oh yeah, because it was. This album is an unquestioned classic, basically jump starting the prog metal genre (for better or for worse :lol). To this day, "Take the Time," "Surrounded," "Learning to Live" and "Metropolis" are all some of my favorite songs by anybody, and the other songs are all great, as well. This album rules. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Now, on to Images and Words. I remember being blown to shreds when I heard "Pull Me Under" on the radio in late 1992This album rules. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
This ................although I dislike more "prog" than I like, this album just hit that sweet spot for me where melody , heaviness and musicianship meet and create perfection.
#2 on my DTF Top 50 albums and could easily have been #1 if I had used slightly different criteria.
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Great album. Much MUCH better than awake. :yawn: - upon which I like the opening three songs and that's it.
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Pf, it should have been Falling into Infinity...
So, Images and Words eh? Surely one of the best albums prog metal (at least, the kind that DT does) offered since its inception.
I remember that, after hearing some songs like Dance of Eternity, ITPOE and Octavarium, Metropolis here and this entire album was what definitely sold me on their music and prog in general which, in turn, made me more open minded to other genres afterwards and that's one of the reasons i will always be grateful to it and Dream Theater.
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I've told this story so many times, but for this... I shall tell it again:
I had a penpal up in Maryland back in the late 1980s/1990s who highly recommended Images and Words to me. She was a pretty darn good artist/writer, and she'd told me that I&W helped her to focus while she would paint. I of course was intrigued (she and I were both pretty die hard metal heads and had similar tastes in other music as well) and got I&W around the same time that I'd gotten the first album featured in this thread (AiC's Dirt). After I'd gotten I&W, I'd started to hear "Pull Me Under" on Z-Rock (RIP) and that just sealed the deal for me.
23 years later, I&W still stands the test of time. I'm not going to reveal where I rank it (I need to get my name back on the Top 50 albums list lol) but I&W is a TOTAL win. Still.
Favorite songs: that one called... ALL OF THEM :biggrin:
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False. Images & Words is not a song. It's a suite :neverusethis:
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This album was so jarring that I recorded myself talking to a friend and then transcribed it for posterity.
C: This could be metal at any moment--I'm just warning everybody.
R: Either that or it could build up into a power ballad.
C: I feel like we might have to excuse ourselves here for a second. We might have to leave.
R: This is one of those guitar sounds that when he hits a note, about a million lights jump up on his guitar rig.
C: Any minute now there is gonna be a squealy.
R: Is this, like, Queensryche?
C: If it is, let's turn it off right away because I hate that band.
R: Hate it. This is the kind of music you listen to right when you start to get your pubic hairs.
C: I can't even be fair to this music, I hate it so bad. I can't even sit through one song. I know I'm not being fair but I think it is complete garbage. That sort of guitar playing is just stupid.
R: If I want to hear a metal band I really like old Black Sabbath and Soundgarden, heavy bands with brains. If I were listening to an angry metal band I would be more into Rage Against the Machine or Sugar. I like that Sugar record a lot, I like Sonic Youth a lot. That's heavy, guitar based music that I listen to.
C: Playing fast for the sake of fast is hideous. I hate that whole mentality of sitting around playing scales and cock-rock crap.
R: I heard some squealies. I don't really like that sound either. I'm not into those guitar sounds. When I hear that stuff I get feeling squeamish.
That was Dream Theater.
C: We'll remember not to buy that record. I bet they have really nice hair... now I'm being mean.
R: This is just our opinion. There's a lot of people that like Dream Theater and that's fine. They get off on it--good for them. They'll probably hate us, maybe they won't.
C: They probably do because we sound like we're playing sloppy. But that's alright, that's a different thing. We're just coming from a different space.
R: In no way do we condemn this sort of music. These people have a right to exist.
C: Just keep it the hell away from us.
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Never heard of them.
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^beat me to it you goddamn guy.
*snip*
Is that that Blind Melon interview?
Yeah classic album, no doubt.
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This album was so jarring that I recorded myself talking to a friend and then transcribed it for posterity.
C: This could be metal at any moment--I'm just warning everybody.
R: Either that or it could build up into a power ballad.
C: I feel like we might have to excuse ourselves here for a second. We might have to leave.
R: This is one of those guitar sounds that when he hits a note, about a million lights jump up on his guitar rig.
C: Any minute now there is gonna be a squealy.
R: Is this, like, Queensryche?
C: If it is, let's turn it off right away because I hate that band.
R: Hate it. This is the kind of music you listen to right when you start to get your pubic hairs.
C: I can't even be fair to this music, I hate it so bad. I can't even sit through one song. I know I'm not being fair but I think it is complete garbage. That sort of guitar playing is just stupid.
R: If I want to hear a metal band I really like old Black Sabbath and Soundgarden, heavy bands with brains. If I were listening to an angry metal band I would be more into Rage Against the Machine or Sugar. I like that Sugar record a lot, I like Sonic Youth a lot. That's heavy, guitar based music that I listen to.
C: Playing fast for the sake of fast is hideous. I hate that whole mentality of sitting around playing scales and cock-rock crap.
R: I heard some squealies. I don't really like that sound either. I'm not into those guitar sounds. When I hear that stuff I get feeling squeamish.
That was Dream Theater.
C: We'll remember not to buy that record. I bet they have really nice hair... now I'm being mean.
R: This is just our opinion. There's a lot of people that like Dream Theater and that's fine. They get off on it--good for them. They'll probably hate us, maybe they won't.
C: They probably do because we sound like we're playing sloppy. But that's alright, that's a different thing. We're just coming from a different space.
R: In no way do we condemn this sort of music. These people have a right to exist.
C: Just keep it the hell away from us.
Wasn't this Howard Stern or someone?
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I'll never forget it. It was October of 1992, and I had just been hired on at Tower Records. This guy played this CD and I said, "Wait...dude...is that Fates Warning???"
The first couple of spins, I thought they were such big FW ripoff that I was a bit dismissive. But by the third spin I was absolutely hooked. This other guy and me played the album *constantly*. It got to the point that all the other employees hated Dream Theater, and hated us for constantly playing the album over and over again. ....but every time we played it, we sold one. Pretty soon, the guy had to start ordering more copies because we kept pushing it on people. Then we started bugging the radio station... The rest is history.
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Wasn't this Howard Stern or someone?
It is the infamous Blind Melon debacle.
I almost thought DT was going to be left off the list because I've talked so much about my love for I&W in the past that a simple "love it" is enough for me these days. (crap, that isn't a swipe at KevShmev ... I'd just be surprised to see more than 1 or 2 "didn't dig it" comments on this classic on this forum)
The first couple of spins, I thought they were such big FW ripoff that I was a bit dismissive.
My thoughts were more along the lines that DT took everything I loved about FW/QR and added everything FW/QR were missing.
My other thought was disappointment that this was exactly the musical direction I was heading and now I'm just gonna be a DT-like band. It was one of the many reasons I decided pro-musician just wasn't the path for me.
Pretty soon, the guy had to start ordering more copies because we kept pushing it on people. Then we started bugging the radio station... The rest is history.
So you made all this happen?
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What’s Dream Theater, precious?
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A friend of mine bought this album just because of the band's name, which has epic written all over it. He told me to listen to Metropolis Pt. 1, and I was blown away. I have never heard anything like it. This is around 1996/1997. I have been a DT fan ever since.
As I grew up, Images and Words fell down in my ranking of favorite albums. I guess because the 1990s is really my formative years in high school and college, Awake really just spoke to me more in terms of spirit and musical style. I&W just felt like an album written before MY time. Still love the epic feel I get fron the album. I just can't get the emotional connection.
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So you made all this happen?
I do NOT take credit for their national explosion. MTV was responsible for that 100%. But I would like to think that the pushed sales from myself and my friend, along with both of us continuing to pester the local radio station...not just with requests, but with strong insistence that we could barely keep the CD in stock because everyone that heard it adored it so much...helped give the local rock station the push to start playing PMU in regular rotation *in my locale*.
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I knew the song Pull Me Under and had heard it on the radio many times, but I didn't know who the band was.
So in May 1995 it really all began for me. I picked up the cassette tape I recall after seeing some comparisons and suggestions on the Rush newsgroup I read. Learning to Live was the song that caught my ear the most.
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So in May 1995 it really all began for me. I picked up the cassette tape
I thought cassette albums were illegal in 1995. Cassettes were for mini-TASCAM type studios and your bands demo in 1995. :police:
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What needs to be said about IaW on a DT forum? Damn near perfection.
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Still my favourite DT album, and a masterpiece.
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This album took some time getting into for me. I remember a guy at my work having it on tape and playing it. I was intrigued, but didn't think anything of it.
Remember seeing the clip for Pull me under on tv and liking it. Then I met an ex which had the WDADU on lp and I&W and Awake on cd. She played me some songs from them and I really liked it.
But she also had cd's by Savatage and Psychotic Waltz, so she was real cool. But it still took until Metropolis pt. II to come out until I became a fan and bought all of their cd's over a short period of time. Were really talking about a period of about 6 or 7 years here before I became a real fan of their music.
The magic of I&W off course (besides the strenght of the compositions) is in the balance. The 'big' songs are fantastic, but it wouldn't have worked without the 'small' songs i.e. Another day, Wait for Sleep and Surrounded. Those small songs in my opinion, is what makes this album so inpeccable. They might seem unimportant in the whole, but in the end for me they're what make the difference.
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But she also had cd's by Savatage and Psychotic Waltz
Will PM you :lol
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It's not one of their best albums, but it is a very solid one. Under a Glass Moon, Learning to Live and Metropolis are all great tracks.
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So in May 1995 it really all began for me. I picked up the cassette tape
I thought cassette albums were illegal in 1995. Cassettes were for mini-TASCAM type studios and your bands demo in 1995. :police:
I have DT cassette tapes until Train of Thought. :P
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It's not one of their best albums
Wait Whut?! :eek
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It's on my short list for greatest albums of all time, by any artist. 'Nuff said.
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I&W is the starting point for every "what type of music do you listen to?" discussion I've had for the last 20+ years.
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shame about them triggers tho
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shame about them triggers tho
Tumbrinas give new (even worse) meaning to triggers.
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The album that changed my life.
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Never heard this album.
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I love this album still. I still think that Learning To Live has the best fade out ever btw.
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It's not one of their best albums
Wait Whut?! :eek
I definitely hold Awake, Scenes From a Memory and Six Degrees higher. I&W would be a solid nr4 though.
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I remember these guys. One hit wonder, right? What ever happened to them?
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their drummer jump shipped and they basically faded into obscurity
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their drummer jump shipped and they basically fell into infinity
fixed it
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I remember these guys. One hit wonder, right? What ever happened to them?
Can of worms opened. Time to start arguing about what constitutes a hit.
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My favorite Dream Theater album, and in my top 3 all time favorite albums.
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If I was to hear DT for the first time today, particularly their earlier work, I wouldn’t be able to turn it off fast enough. I never liked WDADU, I don’t like ACOS, and I don’t think I could sit through Awake anymore if I tried.
But I put on IAW a month or so back, and thought, you know what, you are my ugly duckling.
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It's not one of their best albums
Wait Whut?! :eek
I definitely hold Awake, Scenes From a Memory, 8VM, FII, and Six Degrees higher. I&W would be a solid nr6 though.
FTFM.
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I remember these guys. One hit wonder, right? What ever happened to them?
Can of worms opened. Time to start arguing about what constitutes a hit.
DT answered that themselves with t g e greatest hit. :lol
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I remember these guys. One hit wonder, right? What ever happened to them?
Can of worms opened. Time to start arguing about what constitutes a hit.
DT answered that themselves with t g e greatest hit. :lol
That's awesome. I'm going to declare I have two hits. I'm now officially more awesome than Dream Theatre and their damn squealies.
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Prog metal masterpiece. For its time, highly original. It was such a huge influence on me, I left my current band to go find another which "excited me as much as this band does" as I put it.
I cannot write anything objective about it since it's so personal and means so much to me.
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It's not often that a live album is a true classic, but Eric Clapton's Unplugged certainly fits the bill. Much of that stems from the emotionally gripping rendition of "Tears in Heaven," while Clapton's reputation as a guitar maestro has a lot to do with it as well. I have never been that big of a Clapton fan, but I will give him his due, especially in regards to this record.
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Tears in Heaven is still playing in FM stations here in the Philippines. We love this song.
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I never really got into Clapton. And being a guitarist, there was a push to get into him. I get Layla and his guesting on While My Guitar Gently Weeps. But I was never even slightly in the Tears in Heaven bandwagon. Didn't touch me at all.
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It's not often that a live album is a true classic, but Eric Clapton's Unplugged certainly fits the bill. Much of that stems from the emotionally gripping rendition of "Tears in Heaven," while Clapton's reputation as a guitar maestro has a lot to do with it as well. I have never been that big of a Clapton fan, but I will give him his due, especially in regards to this record.
Definitely one of my favorite Clapton albums.
I love his stuff with John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers, Cream, and Derek & the Dominoes, but a lot of his later stuff doesn't quite work for me. This album was a return to greatness for Clapton IMO, and it was a huge hit. I still listen to every now and then.
I love the new (old) version of Layla, and also Running on Faith. Great versions of everything on here.
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This album just seemed to be everywhere when I was younger, guess its testament to how good it is, but I never dug it too much. I probably prefer younger Clapton, but even then I'm still kind of on the fence. No denying his talent, or this albums classicity.
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I never really got into Clapton. And being a guitarist, there was a push to get into him. I get Layla and his guesting on While My Guitar Gently Weeps. But I was never even slightly in the Tears in Heaven bandwagon. Didn't touch me at all.
This. I mean Cream is alright but I just never admired Clapton and thought he was one of the greats.
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His 80'son output was better than his 90's. It's weird. I owned all his studio outputs but never bought this album. I think MTV wore it out for me.
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I'll admit that I did not care for Nirvana at all when this album dropped and became the rave everywhere, and the constant talk about them being so great made it even more nauseating. I mean, this is pretty good stuff, but all-time great? Nah. I didn't see it then, and I don't see it now. Nevermind, to me, is a solid record; no more, no less. I'm sure that some will tell me I am nuts, but that is fine. I never was a big fan of the alt rock and grunge movements of the 90s, and Nirvana was one of the main acts to get that ball rolling, so they are largely responsible for some of the utter shit that came out of that decade. If that is the impact and influence it left, congratulations. ;)
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Contrary to popular opinion, grunge did not begin here. Grunge peaked and ended here. It was all downhill after this.
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The opener is fantastic, while the rest of the album is pretty mediocre, with weak vocal lines and boring riffs. The drumming is excellent tho.
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Smells Like Teen Spirit is a very cool song, but I think In Bloom is much better. And possibly Drain You as well.
The praise for this album has quietened in the last ten years. It was essentially sacrilege to challenge its quality for a long time because of Cobain's suicide. I remember people used to talk about Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, and Kurt Cobain jamming together in heaven, as if (and I say this as a fan of Nirvana) Cobain deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as those other guitarists.
There are still those to whom this album is one of the holy grails of rock though, my brother being one.
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Hm, Nevermind... Probably the most praised album that i never cared too much about although i recognize it has some great songs on it but overall, yeah, not my cup of tea.
I remember people used to talk about Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, and Kurt Cobain jamming together in heaven, as if (and I say this as a fan of Nirvana) Cobain deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as those other guitarists.
That used to bug me too, when i saw lists of best guitarists and Kurt Cobain was there at the top. Now i realize that's probably due to his songwriting rather than guitar skills.
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Nirvana is a band I've just never cared for, and probably never will.
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Contrary to popular opinion, grunge did not begin here. Grunge peaked and ended here. It was all downhill after this.
It was all downhill from here? I guess Superunknown and Dirt are steps down from Nevermind, huh?
As for those who can not appreciate this album, I think it is a generational thing. Nevermind was like a rallying call against the flamboyance and elitism of 80s rock and metal. It embodies the angst and the attitude of our generation. Just like Jagged Little Pill, if you judge it with 1980s lens, you won't get it.
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I judge everything with an 80's lens mate :lol I was only 15-16yo at the start of the 90's so it's not like I was "past it" or anything but I spent most of the 90's tracking down the few rare surviving artists that brought together the better elements of the 80's . The sudden and dramatic change in the "rock" landscape just didn't resonate with me at all. That generally meant finding bands that sold well in Japanese and Scandi markets.......those that never totally ditched the 80's rock and metal scene.
I said earlier that RHCP drove me nuts around the pool table at college with Under The Bridge on the radio every 10 mins..................well the song they alternated with it was Smells Like Teen Spirit.
If I hadn't heard it to death I may not mind it , but I grew to hate it through massive over exposure and never really checked out the album.
Oh well - Nevermind :P
PS........liked the Clapton album for a relaxing listen. I grew up on some of his 80's stuff via my Dad.........albums like August and so on where he was touring with Phil Collins in his band etc... Diehard Clapton fans seem to hate that era but I quite liked it.
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I liked Teen Spirit when I was young as much as anything else, had it taped off TV and used to listen to it a lot. It was right in my era much more than any of the 70s/80s music I listen to now, which I was not exposed to as a kid. But depressing angsty music just does nothing for me. I don't like the "attitude" and the music doesn't interest me.
And it also loses more points for getting a generation of kiddies spelling "never mind" wrong. :biggrin:
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I've always hated Nirvana, but "Teen Spirit" was one of their more tolerable songs, although I wouldn't mind never hearing it again. The only good thing out of Nirvana were their cover songs from the unplugged show they did.
Not sure if Heart Shaped Box was one this album, but that and Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun was torture to my ears as a kid. So annoying.
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I hope DTF members who like this would show up so that I won't feel alone. :rollin
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I hope DTF members who like this would show up so that I won't feel alone. :rollin
Hello. Although I can see how anyone can hate this album due to the overplayed Teen Spirit. But it's a pretty damn good album imo,although In Utero is way better. The songs are really well written but my main problem is the production. It's a little too clean imo and the rawness of In Utero is probably why I prefer it. Also I'm glad this album exists cause it killed the glam/hair metal scene which someone had to do anyways. Also,I prefer Siamese Dream. :biggrin:
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Also I'm glad this album exists cause it killed the glam/hair metal scene which someone had to do anyways.
No, it didn't. I'd say it was record labels jumping on the fad that killed it.
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Some big songs on this album but it just wasn't what I was looking for at the time.
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Also I'm glad this album exists cause it killed the glam/hair metal scene which someone had to do anyways.
No, it didn't. I'd say it was record labels jumping on the fad that killed it.
Which fad are we talking about here,grunge or hair metal?
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Also I'm glad this album exists cause it killed the glam/hair metal scene which someone had to do anyways.
No, it didn't. I'd say it was record labels jumping on the fad that killed it.
that still sounds like the album had a hand in killing the scene. and rightly so.
I've always hated Nirvana, but "Teen Spirit" was one of their more tolerable songs, although I wouldn't mind never hearing it again. The only good thing out of Nirvana were their cover songs from the unplugged show they did.
Not sure if Heart Shaped Box was one this album, but that and Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun was torture to my ears as a kid. So annoying.
That was on In Utero and these are two fantastic songs.
Anyways, good album, great songwriting, production is a bit much but I think they corrected that with In Utero a little bit.
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Grunge. And then it was finding all the female acts that were big. The things about fads is the great bands last after the fad goes away.
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Not sure if Heart Shaped Box was one this album, but that and Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun was torture to my ears as a kid. So annoying.
I could probably die a little happier if I never heard Heart-Shaped Box again between now and then.
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Also I'm glad this album exists cause it killed the glam/hair metal scene which someone had to do anyways.
No, it didn't. I'd say it was record labels jumping on the fad that killed it.
Which fad are we talking about here,grunge or hair metal?
Grunge. Rock bands had to either jump on the bandwagon or get rock-blocked. One pop rock got replaced with another.
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I don't really care for Nevermind, although I used to like three of four tracks from it, the only song I still like from Nirvana is Heart-Shaped Box from the album In Utero.
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My favorite is probably Territorial Pissings
Followed closely by Breed
But I wasn't a big Nirvana fan. I recall being at school and getting the call from home for the casual check in and the first thing said one time was something like "your guitar guy killed himself." I had no idea what they were telling me. It must have been breaking news because I was at a music school, so even though Nirvana wasn't held in high regard, that type of news would have spread like wildfire (like the Criss Oliva death). I turned on a TV, saw what they were talking about and kinda felt :-\ . Because I wasn't a big Nirvana fan, so it wasn't as if my musical world was all that affected. And still being young, you kind of had that "that dude sucked" (and I want to let everybody know that <musical artist I don't love> sucks). So my natural young response was to say to my parents "meh. I wasn't really into that music", but it was overwhelmed by the simple fact that a human being hated life so much that they decided to take their own life. So there was the young musical snob feeling that I shouldn't care, but I actually did.
But I still didn't have the urge to buy a Nirvana album or even check them out any closer than MTV or radio in passing. It took the Foo Figher song "Everlong" much later to gain interest in anything Nirvana related.
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Also I'm glad this album exists cause it killed the glam/hair metal scene which someone had to do anyways.
No, it didn't. I'd say it was record labels jumping on the fad that killed it.
Which fad are we talking about here,grunge or hair metal?
Grunge. Rock bands had to either jump on the bandwagon or get rock-blocked. One pop rock got replaced with another.
That's not true. Grunge already had existed before Smells Like Teen Spirit was a hit. Screaming Trees and Mudhoney were already up and running with a pretty decent following. (Especially Mudhoney,they were pretty huge) In fact,Nirvana usually opened for bands like Mudhoney,Dinosaur Jr,The Melvins and Sonic Youth before they got huge. So no,grunge wasn't only a fad,because the people who created the genre weren't trying to make it into one. (As a person who met Mark Arm from Mudhoney and had a conversation for an hour,I can assure you.)
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Also I'm glad this album exists cause it killed the glam/hair metal scene which someone had to do anyways.
No, it didn't. I'd say it was record labels jumping on the fad that killed it.
Which fad are we talking about here,grunge or hair metal?
Blob is right (yes, that hurt to type ;) :lol), in this respect:
Hair metal was already dying anyway, so it's a myth that grunge killed it. It might be true that grunge pulled the plug on it, since it was on life support with only a 10% chance to live, but certain hair metal bands did well in the 90s post-Nirvana breakthrough, so I don't think one had to do with the other.
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Urgh, can't stand Nirvana. Definitely top3 (or bottom 3 depending on how you see it) most overrated bands. I can't think of anything I like about them. And I'm not really a hater of the genre, because I like Alice in Chains and I enjoy Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, but Nirvana is just one of those bands for me.
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Also I'm glad this album exists cause it killed the glam/hair metal scene which someone had to do anyways.
No, it didn't. I'd say it was record labels jumping on the fad that killed it.
that still sounds like the album had a hand in killing the scene. and rightly so.
I've always hated Nirvana, but "Teen Spirit" was one of their more tolerable songs, although I wouldn't mind never hearing it again. The only good thing out of Nirvana were their cover songs from the unplugged show they did.
Not sure if Heart Shaped Box was one this album, but that and Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun was torture to my ears as a kid. So annoying.
That was on In Utero and these are two fantastic songs.
Anyways, good album, great songwriting, production is a bit much but I think they corrected that with In Utero a little bit.
In Utero was indeed much better. :)
While Nirvana is not my favorite, I really appreciate them because their breaking into the mainstream opened FM radio play to rock music here in the Philippines, which in turn allowed Filipino rock bands to break through and get major airplay. The 1990s is great for our rock scene here, and the US rock scene in the early 1990s was a big factor.
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I never liked In Utero. I thought it was choc full of - and I hate to use the word for the wrong reasons but - filler.
It had a few decent tracks and a LOT of dross.
And yes - Teen Spirit isn't even the best song on Nevermind. My favourite songs on that album were always Territorial Pissinga, Breed, In Bloom and On A Plain - which I thought were ALL better than Teen
Spirit.
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I must be the only person in this world who doesn´t own this record.
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I must be the only person in this world who doesn´t own this record.
Nope, I also do not own it.
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I think my fav song here is actually the hidden track, which is basically noise, sick drumming and screaming. Still better than the rest of the album.
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I think my fav song here is actually the hidden track, which is basically noise, sick drumming and screaming. Still better than the rest of the album.
Really? I'm no fan but even I like a few songs off the album.
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Contrary to popular opinion, grunge did not begin here. Grunge peaked and ended here. It was all downhill after this.
It was all downhill from here? I guess Superunknown and Dirt are steps down from Nevermind, huh?
As for those who can not appreciate this album, I think it is a generational thing. Nevermind was like a rallying call against the flamboyance and elitism of 80s rock and metal. It embodies the angst and the attitude of our generation. Just like Jagged Little Pill, if you judge it with 1980s lens, you won't get it.
To many locals, Louder Than Love and Facelift are miles above Super and Dirt. Those of us who remember when they were packing clubs were not showering them with praise for Outshined....because it didn't exist yet. We loved them for Hunted Down and Nothing to Say and Hands All Over. We loved Alice for It Ain't Like That, Love Hate Love and Bleed the Freak. We loved Mudhoney....yes, we did....and yet the rest of the nation totally ignored them when there was probably no other band in the movement that remained truly grunge. (heck, their singer Mark Arm invented the term in the first place)
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I think my fav song here is actually the hidden track, which is basically noise, sick drumming and screaming. Still better than the rest of the album.
Really? I'm no fan but even I like a few songs off the album.
I also like the opener, but the rest I feel they're some pretty lame songs, with these awful vocal melodies. Decent guitar work, and great drumming though.
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I do not own this album either, although I briefly owned In Utero because I didn't mail my reply card back to BMG on time.
I hated Nirvana (and the grunge genre in general) because I didn't care for the vocalists or the musicianship. Cobain sounded like he was in agony when he was singing which, given his stomach condition, he probably was, but at least he didn't sound like Eddie Vedder. I believe Metal Evolution referred to the vocal style as the "warble," but I could be mistaken. While not liking the song, I did think the video for "In Bloom" was cool, with the faux-Ed Sullivan show theme.
In retrospect, the drumming on the album probably has to be considered good, but I still don't consider Cobain a great guitarist by any stretch. Better than punk guitarists maybe, but that's it.
I agree with some of my fellow posters in that grunge did not kill hair metal. The second and third generation hair metal bands (Nelson being a great example) killed hair metal, just as the second and third generation grunge bands killed grunge. Nu metal didn't even get to second and third generations, because the originals (Limp Bizkit) were able to kill it themselves.
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No the bands didn't kill it. The over saturation of these bands buy record labels looking for the next Poison or Ratt killed it, just like looking for the next Pearl Jam or Nirvana killed (or a better word morphed) music in a new direction.
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I did think the video for "In Bloom" was cool, with the faux-Ed Sullivan show theme.
Such a refreshing music video after those dumb hair band videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmYt0e88ANo)
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^^^^^^
I don't want to sidetrack the arguement too much, but there was quite a bit of difference between the more glammy bands like Poison and Warrent, and the dirtier, gritty "street" persona that GNR started and Faster Pussycat, LA Guns and (to a lesser extent) Spread Eagle tried to move forward. In a way, I always thought it was a bit sad that those bands got swept under the rug with "hair metal" because it seemed to me like there were bands within the Hollywood scene that were trying (succesfully) to take the whole movement into a grittier direction....and I loved it. Warrior Soul was another great example. But when grunge came along, no one cared that the LA scene was maturing, and the songwriting was improving. To most people, it was all the same....so it all died the same death.
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I would also object to Jani Lane being lumped in with Poison JD :P......he was one of the better songwriters around in any genre at the time IMHO. Sure he wrote Cherry Pie in 30 seconds as a last minute thing , but on that album and the grittier albums like Dog Eat Dog and Ultraphobic he really did some good work. They were one of the few hair metal bands who managed to put out a good "bandwagon" album post-Nirvana. Most of them blew chunks.
Good to see Spread Eagle get a mention.......I had them up in the album listening thread in the last couple of weeks. Don't hear them mentioned often.
Good to see the Nirvana discussion being sidetracked too........thanks guys :lol
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Hair metal (talk) is putting an end to grunge (talk)
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Not sure if Heart Shaped Box was one this album, but that and Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun was torture to my ears as a kid. So annoying.
I'm a fan of the Superunknown album, which will be eventually discussed here probably, but I just could not get into Black Hole Sun. The other singles, Spoonman, The Day I Tried to Live, those are the good stuff to me.
I must be the only person in this world who doesn´t own this record.
Nope, I also do not own it.
Yep. I have yet to hear this album in its entirety and, honestly, I'm probably going to leave myself to be disappointed in it if I do, since this album is put on a huge pedestal in pop culture history which means it's probably going to be hard for me to relate to it or enjoy it.
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I must be the only person in this world who doesn´t own this record.
Nope, I also do not own it.
I have also never owned it. I have also never owned anything by Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains or Soundgarden.
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Those I do own albums of. I was into King's X, Dishwalla, Better Than Erza, The Posies, ect...
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I own it, and I like it. I learned how to play bass guitar listening this album, and cite Kris Novoselic as an influence.
That said, I like In Utero more because of the raw feel. Nevermind sounds very clean and refined for a genre called Grunge.
I never really got into Pearl Jam as much as Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. Soundgarden is my favorite band to come out of that scene.
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Contrary to popular opinion, grunge did not begin here. Grunge peaked and ended here. It was all downhill after this.
It was all downhill from here? I guess Superunknown and Dirt are steps down from Nevermind, huh?
To many locals, Louder Than Love and Facelift are miles above Super and Dirt.
Still, personal opinions aside, Superunknown and Dirt are for more praised than Louder Than Love and Facelift and generally viewed as the magnum opus of both bands.
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I own it, and I like it. I learned how to play bass guitar listening this album, and cite Kris Novoselic as an influence.
That said, I like In Utero more because of the raw feel. Nevermind sounds very clean and refined for a genre called Grunge.
I never really got into Pearl Jam as much as Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. Soundgarden is my favorite band to come out of that scene.
Of the big 4, Soundgarden is the one that managed to be the least "radio friendly" of the bunch, even though they managed to get played on the radio anyway, so I give them props for that.
In all fairness, I probably never gave latter day Soundgarden a fair shake, so I should remedy that.
But as far as Nevermind goes, Kurt himself was just lightning in a bottle. He was in the right place at the right time. He completely encapsulated the disillusionment we were all feeling at the time. That was what kindof made him special. I have a very deep respect for his work and everything he was shooting for. I also like In Utero more than Nevermind (and yes, I know that goes against what I just said about Nevermind being the "peak" as well as "the end") because it truly did piss off those who wanted Nevermind 2 at that time. I knew one guy in particular who claimed that they had done such a great job with the singles from Nevermind, and it just seemed like career suicide to him to do something as noisy and "avant guarde", and surreal as Heart Shaped Box seemed by comparison.
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Contrary to popular opinion, grunge did not begin here. Grunge peaked and ended here. It was all downhill after this.
It was all downhill from here? I guess Superunknown and Dirt are steps down from Nevermind, huh?
To many locals, Louder Than Love and Facelift are miles above Super and Dirt.
Still, personal opinions aside, Superunknown and Dirt are for more praised than Louder Than Love and Facelift and generally viewed as the magnum opus of both bands.
Of course they were. Because those were most people's first exposure to the band. Most people weren't there when it all happened.
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Or simply because they're better albums :P
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Superunknown & Dirt was not people's first exposure. MTV played the he'll out of Man In A Box & Outshined.
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Superunknown & Dirt was not people's first exposure. MTV played the he'll out of Man In A Box & Outshined.
Well...with Soundgarden, I was thinking anything from BMF forward was the "jumping off" point...but with AiC you've got a point.
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AIC opened for VH on the F.U.C.K. tour and that was big for them and Soundgarden on the Lolopoluza (sp?) Tour and both gave them great exposure.
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And I'm not really a hater of the genre, because I like Alice in Chains and I enjoy Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, but Nirvana is just one of those bands for me.
This. While not a fan of grunge, i prefer all these bands over Nirvana.
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AIC opened for VH on the F.U.C.K. tour and that was big for them and Soundgarden on the Lolopoluza (sp?) Tour and both gave them great exposure.
I remember AiC opening the Clash of the Titans tour (Slayer/Anthrax/Megadeth). Man in the Box had just hit the airwaves. I was really happy for them. Years earlier, I was working on a construction site where all the plumbers were their "roadies". They had leather jackets with the older logo painted on the back, and they would party all night and sleep in one of the bathtubs on the job so they wouldn't be late for work the next day. :rollin
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I love the old stories of what bands did while trying to make it.
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jammindude, I went back and checked out both Louder Than Love and Facelift over the years, and gave both albums time, but found them really disappointing compared to the band’s later stuff. If the bands went more mainstream, it was because they tidied up and improved their songwriting. But yeh, that’s coming from someone who only really checked the bands out in the late 90s, when both were already bands of the past.
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Of the big 4, Soundgarden is the one that managed to be the least "radio friendly" of the bunch, even though they managed to get played on the radio anyway, so I give them props for that.
In all fairness, I probably never gave latter day Soundgarden a fair shake, so I should remedy that.
But as far as Nevermind goes, Kurt himself was just lightning in a bottle. He was in the right place at the right time. He completely encapsulated the disillusionment we were all feeling at the time. That was what kindof made him special. I have a very deep respect for his work and everything he was shooting for. I also like In Utero more than Nevermind (and yes, I know that goes against what I just said about Nevermind being the "peak" as well as "the end") because it truly did piss off those who wanted Nevermind 2 at that time. I knew one guy in particular who claimed that they had done such a great job with the singles from Nevermind, and it just seemed like career suicide to him to do something as noisy and "avant guarde", and surreal as Heart Shaped Box seemed by comparison.
J-Dude, I appreciate your comments on this subject, especially given your geography.
I have a few thoughts. We are probably very close to the same age. Were you really feeling disillusionment during this time period? Honestly I'm surprised to hear that. You seem pretty put together, and I assumed you would be even at that age.
Personally, I was never into Nirvana. I did jam (on drums) with some guys in a Nirvana tribute band so I had to learn their songs, and I came to appreciate a lot of it. I ended up buying their albums. I actually didn't find Heart Shaped Box avant garde, but after buying In Utero, I literally couldn't listen to it with all of the screaming. THAT album is angry!!
And not directing this to J Dude, but would I be wrong in not classifying Pearl Jam as grunge? I mean they came from Seattle and wore flannel, but if Nirvana is grunge, then there's no way that Pearl Jam is. Musically, Pearl Jam is in another league. Never got into Soundgarden or have heard much, but saw them open for GnR twice in late '91, and they were grungy.
I would like to say that Nirvana's Unplugged In NY is probably my favorite non metal album of the 90's.
I also never found Facelift to be grunge. I likened it a lot closer to Armored Saint than I did to Nirvana.
I remember AiC opening the Clash of the Titans tour (Slayer/Anthrax/Megadeth).
You just gave me a great excuse to post this picture I took on 7/6/91 in Mansfield, MA!
(https://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z246/TACPics/AIC.jpg)
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You have to remember that to someone who was there...this stuff doesn't even *sound* like grunge. Not when it was christened as such, anyway.
THIS is grunge if you live in Seattle. And it's freakin awesome, but totally different from what grunge is in the national perspective. This was the sound that got every teenager in the Seattle area of the late 80's off their couches and into the clubs...and became a revolution. In the early days, this one one of Sub Pop's biggest selling albums, and it's still a classic.
Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff (full album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0994dIvoI8Q
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Absolutely. I have a totally different perspective now. But the "who cares?" moniker that punk used in the 70's became a true and deep seated sentiment in the late 80's. The Reagan years had brought prosperity, but it didn't solve any of the deeper issues of making anyone feel fulfilled. It's like, "if this is what it feels like to be on top of the world then f- it because life still sucks."
It's an oversimplification...but ya. I could go on a bit more. But I've already derailed a bit. I suppose I'm still on the topic of the movement that was behind this album.
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Even better. If you truly want the album that started EVERYTHING....this is it.
Green River (the band that invented the sound, then divided and split after one album with the two camps forming Mudhoney on one side and Mother Love Bone (and later Pearl Jam) on the other)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hViy_uIqUSI
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THIS is grunge if you live in Seattle. And it's freakin awesome, but totally different from what grunge is in the national perspective.
Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff (full album)
That wasn't even really a Seattle secret. I was totally aware of all this going on at the time. All of this stuff just fit right into the metal diet. Sure, glam rock was big, but so was Thrash, Guns N Roses and Stevie Ray Vaughan. Glam Rock might have been selling more, but most people I knew that weren't casual listeners had all of this stuff in some form in their library.
And there were the usual divisions that always exist between those that can only love on genre, but it all seemed to co-exist perfectly fine until Nirvana. If anything, the big artists all seemed to be pushing their blues bona fides at the time. I got feel. I don't need no FX. I can play just one note. Blues is gonna save us all you watch ..... Hello, hello, hello, how low
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THIS is grunge if you live in Seattle. And it's freakin awesome, but totally different from what grunge is in the national perspective.
Mudhoney - Superfuzz Bigmuff (full album)
That wasn't even really a Seattle secret. I was totally aware of all this going on at the time. All of this stuff just fit right into the metal diet. Sure, glam rock was big, but so was Thrash, Guns N Roses and Stevie Ray Vaughan. Glam Rock might have been selling more, but most people I knew that weren't casual listeners had all of this stuff in some form in their library.
And there were the usual divisions that always exist between those that can only love on genre, but it all seemed to co-exist perfectly fine until Nirvana. If anything, the big artists all seemed to be pushing their blues bona fides at the time. I got feel. I don't need no FX. I can play just one note. Blues is gonna save us all you watch ..... Hello, hello, hello, how low
The thing that shocked me was the rapidity with which some of the changes occurred around the time of Nirvana breaking. Take one of my favourite debut melodic rock albums by a band called Unruly Child. They were on Interscope , had an album sitting in boxes ready to ship that had seen a big budget backing with a huge Beau Hill production and just as it was all about to happen the A&R guy associated with all the melodic rock/hair metal was sacked , the promotion budget was cancelled and that was that - it was barely released. A similar thing happened to a band called Wildside who had been signed to one of the biggest deals ever in that sphere........cancelled in a blink.
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I can see now the difference in how I view Nirvana and grunge from how you guys in the US see it. I guess for a lot of you, it really felt like "grunge" killed genres that were thriving.
Here it is different. It was a weird combination of Nirvana, Guns N Roses, Metallica (Black album), and Bon Jovi (Keep the Faith era, especially Bed of Roses!) that broke the stranglehold of pop over mainstream radio airplay and album sales. Back in the 1980s and the start of the 1990s, the only "metal/hard rock" songs that get regular airplay are the Scorpion ballads (which are videoke staples) and the occasional hairmetal pop hits. The local scene is even worse, as only one rock band is getting regular airplay then. But when the "dam" broke, Wow was it wonderful. Which is why it was not weird here back then to like Nirvana, Metallica, Guns and Roses and Skid Row at the same time :lol. That breakthrough led to the influx of rock and metal albums from the US and UK that we have not had access to before. For example, there was a time when I though Bleach was a follow-up to Nevermind,a nd that Lies is a GnR 1990s album. :lol The biggest impact, however, is in the local scene as local rock bands finally gained a foothold on the mainstream. I was in high school then, and wow, everybody is just trying to learn to play guitar, and drums. And suddenly this Catholic school I was studying in started to hold an Annual Battle of the Bands. It was so crazy, that a Woodstock-like day/night-long rock festival was one of the events during the visit of Pope John Paul II for World Youth Day. :rollin
Those were very good days.
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Grunge was just one element. Quite frankly, one of the smallest elements. Industrial, hip hop and even prog metal were taking off around the same time frame. The best of that era survived in some form, no different than any other musical era.
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kurt was such a great, sincere songwriter/vocalist, krist is a solid bassist, and dave is a fucking monster on the kit. put all those together, and you get, in my opinion, one of the greatest records of all time. sure, kurt's not jimi and dave isn't bonham and krist isn't sir paul, but they had a lot of talent, vision, and a bunch of great songs, and they executed it perfectly. this album is up there w/ abbey road for me.
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When am I going to learn to keep my big mouth shut.
This is related. So while I was doing some digging on Green River (because of this thread) I find that GR's debut EP (the FIRST "grunge" record) was released in May of 1985.
So I go to my editer of Northwest Music Scene and I'm like, "hey! How did we miss the 30th Anniversary of grunge?" He said, I don't know...did we miss it? I'll ask Alex (GR's drummer....long since retired). Alex chimes in and says....ya, 30 years but who cares. I hate that album.
I'm like....awww man surely we can sit around and gab a bit....hey Mr editer? Can we get the rest of the guys too? Editer says that Mark and Steve will be easy, we've already got Alex, but Jeff and Stone would be more difficult but not impossible.
So just by opening my big fat mouth, my editor is attempting a Green River reunion interview for The Jammin Dude Show which I haven't done in a year now. I love doing the show, but it's emotionally exhausting and takes a lot away from a family that needs me. But man...what an opportunity if it pans out..
Stay tuned.
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See, these threads actually lead to something. :lol
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I never cared for this album, or for Nirvana. Just never tickled my fancy at all.
But we got the Foo Fighers, so it is all good.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGPbHUZQ-VE
A video of teens watching Nirvana videos and commenting. The dude interviewing them hypes the band in his questions, but a lot of their answers are pretty interesting.
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I never cared for this album, or for Nirvana. Just never tickled my fancy at all.
But we got the Foo Fighers, so it is all good.
Hated Nirvana. They destroyed the music I was into just as it was hitting its stride and bands were bringing out their best work. SLTS is ok and a couple of their other songs were fine, but it was noisy, obnoxious, depressing stuff.
Ok, it wasn't Nirvana that did this, it was the music business and media, but grunge didn't resonate with me. I was having a great timeand life wasn't this shit thing the grunge era was selling.
But man, that decade was a wasteland for good music. I had to go cold turkey almost in my music buying addiction. The local music store went bust! It was pre internet so finding the now underground stuff was harder. Bands that I liked chased the new sound, and that was truly depressing.
Yeah, fucking Nirvana :biggrin:
FF don't do anything for me either.
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Well, the 80s bands chasing the sound of the grunge movement did give us the only good Motley Crue album, so that's one thing to be happy about. :lol Darn I love that Motley Crue album. John Corabi is a beast.
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Well, the 80s bands chasing the sound of the grunge movement did give us the only good Motley Crue album, so that's one thing to be happy about. :lol Darn I love that Motley Crue album. John Corabi is a beast.
You should check out the new Dead Daisies then my friend........good stuff. Corabi, Tichy, Mendoza.
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Well, the 80s bands chasing the sound of the grunge movement did give us the only good Motley Crue album, so that's one thing to be happy about.
lolx10
I never cared for this album, or for Nirvana. Just never tickled my fancy at all.
But we got the Foo Fighers, so it is all good.
Hated Nirvana. They destroyed the music I was into just as it was hitting its stride and bands were bringing out their best work. SLTS is ok and a couple of their other songs were fine, but it was noisy, obnoxious, depressing stuff.
Ok, it wasn't Nirvana that did this, it was the music business and media, but grunge didn't resonate with me. I was having a great timeand life wasn't this shit thing the grunge era was selling.
But man, that decade was a wasteland for good music. I had to go cold turkey almost in my music buying addiction. The local music store went bust! It was pre internet so finding the now underground stuff was harder. Bands that I liked chased the new sound, and that was truly depressing.
Yeah, fucking Nirvana :biggrin:
FF don't do anything for me either.
I love this post so much I want to make babies with it.
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But man, that decade was a wasteland for good music.
Well, depending on one's music taste, that can be said for any decade ;)
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I never cared for this album, or for Nirvana. Just never tickled my fancy at all.
But we got the Foo Fighters, so it is all good.
Yep - The Foos output is easily better than Nirvana's output. And not just because they have 2.5x more albums - but they have more GREAT albums - and Nirvana arguably only had one GREAT album
and a couple of OK ones.
Foo Fighters, Wasting Light , The Colour And The Shape are all GREAT albums.
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Well, the 80s bands chasing the sound of the grunge movement did give us the only good Motley Crue album, so that's one thing to be happy about. :lol Darn I love that Motley Crue album. John Corabi is a beast.
If SHout At The Devil and Drv Feelgood didn't exist :biggrin:
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Yep - The Foos output is easily better than Nirvana's output. And not just because they have 2.5x more albums - but they have more GREAT albums - and Nirvana arguably only had one GREAT album
I'm pretty sure Bleach and In Utero are viewed as great albums too, especially the latter :huh:
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Bleach wasn't at the time. Only in retrospect. And In Utero was riding Nevermind's coat tails.
And of course - Kurt dying probably helped too.
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Whatever floats your boat.
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Bleach wasn't at the time. Only in retrospect.
I read a review of Bleach from when it came out in an old music mag some years ago. They gave it 93/100, from memory. And I get the impression it had some underground buzz. But then what makes a great album, I guess.
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Foo Fighters is better than Nirvana? People actually think this? I've yet to hear a Foo Fighters song besides Everlong and maybe Pretender that feels as true as something like Something In The Way. Foo Fighters just sound like buttrock to me. (yes I went there)
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OK. Nirvana has been a topic in this thread longer than they were actually around! ;D
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Foo Fighters is better than Nirvana? People actually think this? I've yet to hear a Foo Fighters song besides Everlong and maybe Pretender that feels as true as something like Something In The Way. Foo Fighters just sound like buttrock to me. (yes I went there)
I'm not a huge Foo Fighters fan, but they're definitely better than Nirvana. Middle of the road will always be better than garbage.
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Foo Fighters is better than Nirvana? People actually think this? I've yet to hear a Foo Fighters song besides Everlong and maybe Pretender that feels as true as something like Something In The Way. Foo Fighters just sound like buttrock to me. (yes I went there)
I'm not a huge Foo Fighters fan, but they're definitely better than Nirvana. Middle of the road will always be better than garbage.
Haha.
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Whatever floats your boat.
There's no denying that Kurt dying gave Nirvana legendary status. I bet if they'd recorded In Utero and just broke up.. They'd just be That band that did Nevermind then broke up one album later. End of story.
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Foo Fighters is better than Nirvana? People actually think this?
Fuck yes. Any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
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Foo Fighters is better than Nirvana? People actually think this?
Fuck yes. Any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
Second, sideways.
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Foo Fighters is better than Nirvana? People actually think this?
Fuck yes. Any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
Seven times on Sunday.
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I actively dislike Nirvana and don't really have any feelings about the Foo Fighters at all, so I guess this is me as well, sort of.
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Foo Fighters Nirvana
Pretty much sums up my feeling on the two.
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I like both bands, though neither a huge amount, but I can understand people really not liking Nirvana / prefering the Foos.
The Foos are definitely not what I’d call an arty band. Not saying Dave Grohl doesn’t experiment to some extent, but his style is blatantly just modern era popular rock music. Which means if you try to find masterpieces in their stuff, you’re gonna come away wanting.
Having said that, Grohl has written many a modern rock-song-by-numbers classic, and the Foos are one of the more reliable modern popular rock bands there are.
Dunno if that makes sense.
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Foos are pretty dependable - seem really down to earth - they have GREAT videos and Dave has a great sense of humour and seems to "get" the industry.
But yeah they do some odd albums now and then. Like - Wasting Light was amazing - then they put out the most middle of the road album of their career. ???
That was such a let down. It's a fine album but it's nowhere near Wasting Light levels.
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Foo Fighters have become modern rock's AC/DC. They're formulaic and they don't give a shit, and they're laughing all the way to the bank.
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Foo Fighters have become modern rock's AC/DC. They're formulaic and they don't give a shit, and they're laughing all the way to the bank.
Exactly. But they're even more dull than AC/DC for me. Ugh,I wonder what Kurt would think if he heard FF. (He'd prob hate it. :lol)
Also,can we have a new album already? :biggrin:
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Foo Fighters are far better than Nirvana ever were. I agree that most of their songs are pretty "samey," but they do that style pretty well. :metal
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I don't know that they're better because you can't deny the influence Nirvana had, but they're far more entertaining. And I think that's largely due to Grohl living through the faux-apathetic grunge stage and coming out the other side being able to appreciate his position and have fun with it. Ironically he sort of morphed into the kind of thing that Nirvana was supposed to be the antithesis of - though I suppose Nirvana did the same thing towards the end.
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Sometimes you just want a good burger somewhere that you know you'll like. That's the Foo Fighters. Consistent.
While I do like a few songs from Nirvana, their interviews drove me insane. I hated that "everything sucks: attitude and was put off with them for some reason. Hell, I was in my mid 20's when they came out and there were just other bands that resonated to me.
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I hated that "everything sucks: attitude and was put off with them for some reason.
Yeah, that annoys me too. But yeah, I think the fact that Grohl is past that attitude means that the Foos can and do embrace their influence and position in the music world, which in turn makes them highly more likable and relatable. I think Nirvana could've achieved that same level if they weren't so conceited, which I imagine stems from Cobain primarily.
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Remember how they acted on the I think 1992 MTV music awards? God I was so turned off by them.
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There's no denying that Kurt dying gave Nirvana legendary status. I bet if they'd recorded In Utero and just broke up.. They'd just be That band that did Nevermind then broke up one album later. End of story.
You really think that? All the great songs they wrote don't even make the equation? :facepalm:
About Nirvana x Foo Fighters, i'm no fan of either but Nirvana has both Nevermind and In Utero which destroy any FF album, so there's that.
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Remember how they acted on the I think 1992 MTV music awards? God I was so turned off by them.
I would've been 2, so no :lol
is that the thing where they were arguing with Axl Rose/GnR? I would be angry if I were in GnR too, seeing as Grunge was the death knell for them and their pompous bullshit.
There's no denying that Kurt dying gave Nirvana legendary status. I bet if they'd recorded In Utero and just broke up.. They'd just be That band that did Nevermind then broke up one album later. End of story.
You really think that? All the great songs they wrote don't even make the equation? :facepalm:
About Nirvana x Foo Fighters, i'm no fan of either but Nirvana has both Nevermind and In Utero which destroy any FF album, so there's that.
I would agree that Cobain's suicide elevated them in a way they couldn't have achieved otherwise. Which is a shame. It goes to show how people are much more interested in celebrity culture than they are about music. I'm willing to bet half the little shits that walk around wearing the Nirvana smiley shirt thing couldn't name any songs pre-Teen Spirit.
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if I were in GnR too, seeing as Grunge was the death knell for them and their pompous bullshit.
GnR wrote their own death ticket. From '91 through '93, they were the biggest band on the planet. They were just so fucked up they could not keep it together.
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if I were in GnR too, seeing as Grunge was the death knell for them and their pompous bullshit.
GnR wrote their own death ticket. From '91 through '93, they were the biggest band on the planet. They were just so fucked up they could not keep it together.
There's that too, which I figured someone would bring up :lol
I think yeah they were heading that way anyway, but as soon as grunge became the big thing they found that noone really gave a shit about anything anymore (because apathy), including them.
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As a general statement about grunge and hard rock, I would agree. But to me, Metallica and Guns n Roses were the exceptions at that time. Both bands transcended what was going on in pop culture. G n R really just suffered a drug fueled implosion.
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A random wee story on the topic of Nevermind.
My brother worshipped Nirvana growing up. At his 21st, he had a playlist of songs he picked on shuffle. Right when he went to cut the cake, and everyone goes quieter, Something In The Way came on. I guess most people wouldn’t know the song well enough to know what it’s about, but for me, it made the moment a touch morbid.
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holy shit :lol
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Remember how they acted on the I think 1992 MTV music awards? God I was so turned off by them.
I would've been 2, so no :lol
is that the thing where they were arguing with Axl Rose/GnR? I would be angry if I were in GnR too, seeing as Grunge was the death knell for them and their pompous bullshit.
There's no denying that Kurt dying gave Nirvana legendary status. I bet if they'd recorded In Utero and just broke up.. They'd just be That band that did Nevermind then broke up one album later. End of story.
You really think that? All the great songs they wrote don't even make the equation? :facepalm:
About Nirvana x Foo Fighters, i'm no fan of either but Nirvana has both Nevermind and In Utero which destroy any FF album, so there's that.
I would agree that Cobain's suicide elevated them in a way they couldn't have achieved otherwise. Which is a shame. It goes to show how people are much more interested in celebrity culture than they are about music. I'm willing to bet half the little shits that walk around wearing the Nirvana smiley shirt thing couldn't name any songs pre-Teen Spirit.
I think G & R are asshats too! In the end you are your own man and how you act matters. Imagine if Kurt took care of himself?! How big would they have been? Look at their sales. They were huge. In the end my thought on their attitudes mean squat but it did for me and in the end Kurt's attitude lead him to miss his career, wife and child.
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Guns N' Roses imploded on their own; grunge had nothing to do with it.
And let's remember that for all of the grunge craze, the biggest band in the world in the early 90s was still U2.
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Guns N' Roses imploded on their own; grunge had nothing to do with it.
I agree that they imploded on their own but I think you are playing down the effect Grunge had on hard rock.
And let's remember that for all of the grunge craze, the biggest band in the world in the early 90s was still U2.
All roads lead to U2 :lol
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Guns N' Roses imploded on their own; grunge had nothing to do with it.
I agree that they imploded on their own but I think you are playing down the effect Grunge had on hard rock.
Well, maybe new legit hard rock bands were harder to come by in the 90s, but most hard rock mainstays (ones that predated the grunge explosion in 1991) did just fine in the 90s, and the ones that didn't, didn't because they failed on their own (see: VH was still huge from 1990-1996, but flopped after Hagar left because of circumstances that had nothing to do with grunge).
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Besides Everlong (which I wouldn't mind never hearing again) I haven't liked anything the Foo Fighters have ever released, singlewise.
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Guns N' Roses imploded on their own; grunge had nothing to do with it.
Definitely that. They lost steam because none of their albums after AFD were even half as good, and Axl was a control freak who drove everyone out of the band. Grunge had no part in their demise.
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Use Your Illusions had some good moments. Ang songs like November Rain and Estranged were big.
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But I think we can all agree what killed Grunge.
Courtney Love
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Use Your Illusions had some good moments. Ang songs like November Rain and Estranged were big.
Several great songs, but it shouldn't have been a double album.
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Use Your Illusions had some good moments. Ang songs like November Rain and Estranged were big.
Several great songs, but it shouldn't have been a double album.
I agree. Can we have the Use Your Illusions classic album post now? :rollin
Just kidding, Kev. :D
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There's no denying that Kurt dying gave Nirvana legendary status. I bet if they'd recorded In Utero and just broke up.. They'd just be That band that did Nevermind then broke up one album later. End of story.
You really think that? All the great songs they wrote don't even make the equation? :facepalm:
All the song they wrote made them a hugely popular band at the time.
Cobain's suicide transformed him into a god, and definitely cemented the band's status as legends.
Not sure how old you are, but I lived through it. That's exactly what happened.
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I wasn't a *huge* Nirvana fan - but I owned Nevermind. And I was about 15 when Kurt shot himself. I think my reaction was " oh ".
I clearly remember telling my friend in school around 94 or 95 to remember the name " Foo Fighters " because they were going to be big.
Oh how I wish I had proof of that :lol
But yeah - there was proper hysteria when it happened. The unplugged album - literally everyone I knew had that CD and played it to death.
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All the song they wrote made them a hugely popular band at the time.
Cobain's suicide transformed him into a god, and definitely cemented the band's status as legends.
Not sure how old you are, but I lived through it. That's exactly what happened.
Yeah, the guy wrote goddamn In Utero and Nevermind after all, who guess how many more great albums and songs he could wrote if he stayed alive.
But, yeah, i don't agree their other albums are viewed as greats just because of Nevermind, the suicide and whatever.
I agree. Can we have the Use Your Illusions classic album post now? :rollin
Just kidding, Kev. :D
Why not?
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Yeah, the guy wrote goddamn In Utero and Nevermind after all, who guess how many more great albums and songs he could wrote if he stayed alive.
Well judging by the stuff on With The Lights Out - not a great deal.
And NME says he has a "solo album" due out in November. If there was anything decent in the supposed massive archive - it would have come out by now - not 21 years later...
My guess is the "solo album" will be 10 strung together , badly recorded bits and pieces of half baked ideas put out for $.
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With the whole "how much did death affect popularity?" discussion, I think it definitely plays a huge part. Whether it's Kurt Cobain killing himself, Jeff Buckley drowning or Elvis Presley taking an overdose. Nobody can take away what they made musically, but I think people in general get very affected by death, and we're very good at uniting over it. Similar to how a death in the family can unite the rest and make them stronger, I think a musician dying can have a similar affect and unite a lot of people over their appreciation for said artist. I don't think it's as simple as saying "he died, that's the reason they're big" (as in the ONLY reason), but I do think it plays a significant part. Maybe they would have been just as big if they were still around now, maybe they would be even bigger, but we won't know.
A lot of musicians die and their music fade away though, so to become iconic you must have done something that resonated with people.
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I know for a fact ( ok well..not a FACT ) that Nirvana wouldn't have lasted much longer. Kurt was in too much pain and Butch said he screamed so much when tracking vocals
that he could only manage three takes A DAY before his voice was completely shot.
That couldn't have lasted.
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I would just like to say that Elvis didn't achieve his level of popularity because of his death. He was already more popular than Jesus, Moses, and all the saints. No one was ever bigger than Elvis.
And THEN he died.
I think the phenomenon we are talking about propels YOUNG artists to legend status when they die, not older, established artists.
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And Kurt was a member of the 27 club - which has it's own special status.
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Nobody can take away what they made musically,
This is what i'm talking about, nigga :lol
The way i see it, most musicians that died young and are considered legends did "had" the music to back the claim.
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All the song they wrote made them a hugely popular band at the time.
Cobain's suicide transformed him into a god, and definitely cemented the band's status as legends.
Not sure how old you are, but I lived through it. That's exactly what happened.
Yeah, the guy wrote goddamn In Utero and Nevermind after all, who guess how many more great albums and songs he could wrote if he stayed alive.
That is making hef's point. That kind of "Just think what he could have done had he not died" thinking just adds to the legend. Same thing with Randy Rhoads.
I agree. Can we have the Use Your Illusions classic album post now? :rollin
Just kidding, Kev. :D
Why not?
Neither Use Your Illusion has any chance of being featured in this thread. Not gonna happen.
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Nobody can take away what they made musically,
This is what i'm talking about, nigga :lol
The way i see it, most musicians that died young and are considered legends did "had" the music to back the claim.
I agree that you have to have good music to still be popular after death. No one talks about musicians that have died that are not at a famous level for what ever reason. But dying does elevate that status to another level.
And Hef is right. When you have to rent whole movie theaters or rent an amusement park for a day, you are already god like and that was Elvis.
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They did pretty well commercially and weren't bad or anything (on the contrary). Just don't see why Come on Over can be featured and Use Your Illusion no.
But, if you don't want feature them, i'm not gonna discuss that. Besides, i don't want to be scolded again, plz :'(
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https://poly-graph.co/timeless/
There’s a graph in this article with the most played songs from the 90s on Spotify.
Nevermind has 3 songs in the top 30 or so.
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https://poly-graph.co/timeless/
There’s a graph in this article with the most played songs from the 90s on Spotify.
Nevermind has 3 songs in the top 30 or so.
Yep.as I said earlier,the decade was a wasteland for good music :biggrin:
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And you even have the class to come and say it repeatedly in the 90s thread. :tup
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And you even have the class to come and say it repeatedly in the 90s thread. :tup
What can I say, I'm a classy guy.
There was good music around but I found it much harder to find. I still went looking for it and probably bought a far more varied palate of stuff than in any other decade.
This is a thread where my mind could be changed and I could learn something.
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It was a great decade for some genres and subgenres like Alternative Rock, Hip Hop, Electronic, Britpop, Death Metal...
I bet you weren't into any of these?
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It was a great decade for some genres and subgenres like Alternative Rock, Hip Hop, Electronic, Britpop, Death Metal...
I bet you weren't into any of these?
I tried an album or two by Oasis. The rest? No. None of it is remotely in my ballpark.
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Give me some Eels. What a great band from the 90's. Also The Posies.
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I remember, shortly after its release in 1999, being recommend this album separately by my brother and a guy at work, and even though that style wasn't up my alley at the time, I liked it a lot. I had never heard of Wilco, but Summerteeth made me a fan. It has a strong Beatles vibe, and had tons of catchy melodies everywhere, yet still had that feeling that there something "deep" about it. When I listen to songs like "How to Fight Loneliness" and "My Darling," I still get chills. This an album that is probably identified more than anything as alternative rock, yet has lots of folk, synth leads and mellotron, and even a bit of twang at times. Is this a classic? Absolutely. Great record.
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Not exactly on my radar. It is a name I'm aware of, but couldn't name a single song from them without cheating. Probably know the songs, just don't connect it to them.
But this
synth leads and mellotron
is right up my alley.
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Yep.as I said earlier,the decade was a wasteland for good music :biggrin:
You mean the 80s, right? :neverusethis:
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I love Wilco. What a great band. One of my biggest musical regrets is not yet having seen them live.
Great melodies, great musicianship, and great songwriting.
Oh, and this album is pretty good, too. :biggrin:
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I have friends that love them. I've never really delved deep into their music and I should.
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I've only heard Yankee Hotel Foxtrot but never really got into it. How do I get into Wilco?
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I've only heard Yankee Hotel Foxtrot but never really got into it. How do I get into Wilco?
If you didn't like YHF, I'm not sure. That's their biggest album, and my favorite.
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That was me. Checked out YHF, wasn’t that fussed, haven’t looked further.
I’ve heard I should give Sky Blue Sky a chance though.
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That was me. Checked out YHF, wasn’t that fussed, haven’t looked further.
I’ve heard I should give Sky Blue Sky a chance though.
Yeah I guess I'll do that too.
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Just clicked on song after song for Wilco on YouTube. Just not my thing.
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I've only heard Yankee Hotel Foxtrot but never really got into it. How do I get into Wilco?
Listen to the featured album here. :biggrin:
I think Summerteeth is more catchy and easily more accessible than Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (which I really like, but it does have a few boring songs). Even the majority of great songs on YHF aren't instantly likeable, IMO. Summerteeth has a lot of catchy tunes.
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Jeez, I killed my own thread. :lol Not a lot of Wilco fans here apparently. Oh well, we move on...
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I like this album, but I have to admit that I never listen to it. Tori Amos is never someone who was really on my radar, but Little Earthquakes is a definite classic. I really need to listen to this more.
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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
***I*** ***LOVE*** ***THIS*** ***ALBUM***
I have to go pee myself and then collect my thoughts before I can say another word...
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^^ Must be one long pee break. Hasn't come back to mention his thoughts about it after two hours.
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I listened to Tori Amos because Neil Gaiman mentioned her in an interview. Little Earthquakes is a gem.
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This is a pretty great album, as is every album Tori Amos did in the nineties. My biggest issue with it was it had a really dated sound, but she remastered it recently and it sounds much better.
Didn’t DT once cover Winter?
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I always knew what a talent she was but never owned anything by her.
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Tori Amos is really lovely. I think Little Earthquakes is a great album, but I prefer Under the Pink and From the Choirgirl Hotel.
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It's as good as (or better than) any other Tori Amos album.
But I'm not crazy about Tori Amos. She just doesn't click with me.
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My favourite Tori album is From The Choirgirl Hotel :)
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I like Tori Amos and own all the albums of her first decade. There were definitely songs that I enjoyed to a high degree, but the albums as a whole eventually received less and less play by me.
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^^ Must be one long pee break. Hasn't come back to mention his thoughts about it after two hours.
Well, there was peeing myself, the clean up, then I was tired, so I went to sleep, then today I had a funeral.....it was just a weird day.
Anyway. The thing that makes this album so powerful to me is the lyrics. I've had people roll my eyes at me for thinking that these lyrics are so profound...but I suppose they are more "powerful" than overtly "profound". I had just never heard a female artist be so blunt before. I mean, not THAT blunt.
"So you found a girl who thinks really deep thoughts
What's so amazing about really deep thoughts?
Boy, you best pray that I bleed real soon.....how's that thought for ya?"
Ya, considering what came before it? That's pretty damn blunt.
Crucify is actually just OK...I like the remix from the EP a bit better. But everything else on the album is amazing. Silent All These Years, Precious Things, Winter, China, Mother, Me and A Gun, and Little Earthquakes are all so incredible that they are tear inducing. If anyone can get through Me and a Gun (a fairly graphic statement about her true life experience of being raped) without being emotionally eviscerated, I don't think I can help you. Just a jaw dropping piece. Winter reminds me of my daughter. China uses so much wordplay that's just mind-boggling. Precious Things captures the spirit of unrequited love perfectly...especially at that age where one is so vulnerable.
It's also a very liberating record. Like you can just feel the freedom of someone who rediscovered their sexuality after being sexually victimized.
I really like Under the Pink as a follow up, and didn't care for Boys for Pele at all. Most of the rest of her 90's output was fairly uneven. I never truly loved another one of her albums from start to finish until Scarlet's Walk came out far later....and I haven't even heard her last two. Nothing will ever top LE.
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I've seen other fans rave over the lyrics like you just did, jammindude, so I am not surprised. Me and a Gun is definitely an astonishing piece of music, even if it is something I rarely turn on.
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Oh yeah Little Earthquakes. A stunning album. :heart
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I do not like this band.
I do not like any songs off this album.
I cannot stand Eddie Vedder's voice.
But Ten is a classic, so go nuts, Pearl Jam fans.
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You are nuts Kev. This album is an ass kicker.
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This album is incredible. Love it.
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Never really got into Pearl Jam.
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Great album, a whole mess of classic tracks on there, but loses momentum towards the end for me.
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I'm a huge fan but didn't follow as much from the self titled which is ordinary. Backspacer was quite a nice return though, but Lightning Bolt sucked.
Everything up to Yield is perfect. Binaural and Riot At were good too.
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My favourite Pearl Jam albums are Vitalogy, No Code, Yield and Ten.
Don't like VS or anything after Yield. Self titled was ok I guess but never really bothered with Backspacer or lost dogs or whatever the last album was.
Ten is great though.
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Lost Dogs was a b-side and rarities collection. Pretty good.
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Yarp. I meant Riot Act :)
They seemed to settle into a formula after No Code - which was punky chords and Eddie's weird yelping voice. He changed his style after Vitalogy.
I've heard him do his TEN voice again live so he can still do it but prefers to do his weird No Code vocals now for everything.
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Ten. Great riffs. Great vocals. Great album.
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What does everyone think of the TEN reissue that basically removed all the reverb ?
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I thought the remix was pretty good. I'd have to get it out and listen but I remember thinking it was decent.
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I remember being a fan of Mother Love Bone to the extreme, and it broke my heart when Andrew Wood passed away so suddenly, and way too soon. But when I found out that key members had started another band, I was really excited.
I was all pumped when someone handed me the copy of Ten, and told me to play Alive....
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Seriously...boring...song. Absolutely did nothing for me then, and still does absolutely nothing for me now. Can't figure out for the life of me why anyone likes that song, or why one of the worst songs from the album was released as a lead off single. It's just baffling to me.
After hearing that, I decided they were done and I wasn't going to buy the album.
But then I heard Evenflow...then I heard Jeremy....then I heard Black.
:eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
Totally different story. Love those songs to the nth degree, and Jeremy can still bring me to tears. The bands style never clicked with me as much as Soundgarden...but I truly respect the fact that they've been the guys who have stayed together and stuck to their guns of doing what they wanted to do all this time. I have nothing but complete admiration for what they've accomplished. I should really dive in to more of their latter day material.
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I never understood the love for Alive either. It wouldn't make my Pearl Jam best of. I think it's just been played to death over the years and still does, that doesn't help IMO.
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The hook for Alive is that catchy riff. It's not the best song, but playing that riff rocks.
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I don't really care for the band, but this album is a great one
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I have nothing but complete admiration for what they've accomplished.
This is how I feel. I think I got their debut, but it wasn't really what I was into. But an all time great band.
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You are nuts Kev. This album is an ass kicker.
This.
I agree that Alive is overrated, and I could personally never hear Jeremy again and it would be OK, but the rest of the album is fantastic.
My favorites are Black and Release.
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I liked this album slightly better than anything Nirvana ever did. It's pretty good, but that's it, with Black and Jeremy as the standouts. I still have the disc, unlike a lot of other albums from the era.
My biggest gripe with Pearl Jam (and grunge in general) was how they temporarily ruined the clothing industry. The clothes from around 1992-1994 were so hideous that I had to dress like a jock, even though I wasn't one. My whole wardrobe consisted of Champion sweatshirts and tees with athletic marks on them because the only other clothes being sold were plaid, or lumberjack-looking shit. Those bands had a contrived thrift shop look as a counter to the leather and spandex look of the eighties, except there was nothing cheap about the stuff that was sold in stores, even if they looked like the old Gorilla Monsoon line, "He's not wearing thirteen dollars worth of clothes, and that's including his watch!" Thankfully, that fad lasted about as long as all others, but for a couple of years almost everybody looked like bums. It was like the seventies, where you had to be the President in order not to look ridiculous.
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I really love this record, and yes, it's a classic, although it gets a bit sketchy near the end. And I really like Alive, although it's a bit overplayed.
Other than this record I never really got into Pearl Jam, there are the occasional songs I like but on the whole they don't grab me.
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You are nuts Kev. This album is an ass kicker.
This.
I agree that Alive is overrated, and I could personally never hear Jeremy again and it would be OK, but the rest of the album is fantastic.
My favorites are Black and Release.
Black: has one of my favorite lines in any song, ever: "I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star, in someone else's sky, but why, why, why, can't it be, can't it be mine?"
Release: favorite song on the album (and it's one of my two favorite Pearl Jam albums along with Yield).
Pearl Jam is weird for me: I LOVE LOVE LOVE The Mother Love Bone, because it is so rooted in classic rock, and PJ for me is best when they do the same. The weirder, and/or more indie they get (read: the more Eddie influences the music) the more they lose me.
FYI, I miss no opportunity to suggest to those that like PJ to seek out their cover of "Love Reign O'er Me". Ed makes no bones about loving The Who and he sings the absolute F*** out of that song (not an easy song to sing, to start with).
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Ok so I slagged off grunge pretty heavily in a previous post but I don't mind this album. There are some good songs here. I never delved any further into the catalogue and it was several years after the album came out before I bought it. My ex wife loved it which soured the album somewhat for me too :lol
I'm pretty sure the Alive solo rips off Ace FrehleyS She solo, though he did steal that from the Doors.
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Haha; "Alive" pays homage to "She", "She" rips "Five To One" almost note-for-note (and I'm a massive Kiss fan).
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The hook for Alive is that catchy riff. It's not the best song, but playing that riff rocks.
Yeah before I could play I wanted to one day learn how to do that riff. Then it turns out it's actually super easy :P
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To me, it was always Pearl Jam/Nirvana on one end and Alice in Chains/Soundgarden on the other. I'm on the AIC/Sg side. However, I did like Mother Love Bone and later Temple of the Dog much more than I ever took to Pearl Jam.
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My biggest gripe with Pearl Jam (and grunge in general) was how they temporarily ruined the clothing industry.
The grunge style was born of working class folk in the Pacific Northwest wearing utilitarian work clothing. This has more to do with department stores poaching that style for fad and profit.
The clothes from around 1992-1994 were so hideous that I had to dress like a jock, even though I wasn't one. My whole wardrobe consisted of Champion sweatshirts and tees with athletic marks on them because the only other clothes being sold were plaid, or lumberjack-looking shit.
If you lived in a very small town, this may have been the case but everywhere else there were far more styles available. Just watch reruns of any TV show from that era for reference.
Those bands had a contrived thrift shop look as a counter to the leather and spandex look of the eighties, except there was nothing cheap about the stuff that was sold in stores, even if they looked like the old Gorilla Monsoon line, "He's not wearing thirteen dollars worth of clothes, and that's including his watch!"
As I already pointed out, department stores were exploiting their working class look. These kids weren't ballin in $50 shirts and jeans. Also, you could get Arizona jeans at JC Penney as well as comfy flannels for $20-25 all the time. Finish the outfit with any <$10 T-shirt and you were set.
Thankfully, that fad lasted about as long as all others, but for a couple of years almost everybody looked like bums. It was like the seventies, where you had to be the President in order not to look ridiculous.
It really sounds like your disdain for that scene causes you to have a hyperbolic view of it.
As for the album? I was late to the party. Jeremy was the first single that I was actually aware of as a new single since the Alive/Evenflow weren't played on my favorite pop rock station back then. I liked it a good bit and Black was very dear to me. I didn't fully get into the album until 1996 and then fucking adored it. I fondly remember sitting with my PS1 and notebook repeatedly rewinding various lines from black until I could decipher all the lyrics from it.
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The hook for Alive is that catchy riff. It's not the best song, but playing that riff rocks.
Yeah before I could play I wanted to one day learn how to do that riff. Then it turns out it's actually super easy :P
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Yeah, it was. That's also why it was also a blast learning to play that riff because you could jam to it even if you are just a beginner. :)
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If you're going to release a debut album, 'Ten' isn't a bad place to start I guess. Fantastic album, I think I wore that vinyl out in three weeks time.
There's almost no filler on there. I love Jeremy, Evenflow and off course Black, but also songs like Porch and Garden are great songs.
Still think it's their best album, found it very hard to get into 'vs' after that.
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I think Vs is great, possibly even better. But that still makes Ten a great album too. After those two though, only occasional songs have fazed me all that much.
Black is one of my favourite songs.
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Mookie Blaylock
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Most of the singles are good from this album. Unfortunately that leaves half an album of fodder.
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Mookie Blaylock
Sort of the album's namesake but you already knew that. Just highlighting this for others.
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Sorry for the slacking off...
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The Smashing Pumpkins have always been a band I thought sounded pretty cool musically, but something about Billy Corgan's voice just didn't appeal to me. And I heard Siamese Dream a lot, since my brother Mark was bananas over it and played it a ton. "Disarm" was always the one song I did enjoy a lot. I probably need to give this another listen one of these days, with a fresh mind.
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Like you Kev, the music I loved, the voice......not so much. Still a very good album.
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I just listened to Today and Cherub Rock, both of which someone must have given me on mp3 at some point, and liked both. Guess I'll have to bug my brother Mark for the CD to borrow. :lol
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Siamese Dream is an amazing album, even though I personally think Mellon Collie was the pinnacle of Smashing Pumpkins.
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Great album. The pumpkins were my first favorite band as well as my first concert. I didn't much care for Today at first but grew to like it. Fucking loved Disarm right out the gate and that's never wavered.
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Siamese Dream is an amazing album, even though I personally think Mellon Collie was the pinnacle of Smashing Pumpkins.
Fuckin Love Mellon Collie. Machina too.
Adore was a bit hit or miss. Zeitgeist suffered from a poor mix but Oceania was pretty great. I stopped listening after that.
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Siamese Dream was my first Smashing Pumpkins CD and still my favorite.
I'm pretty sure it was the single Today that sold me on buying the album. And that 3 song opening of Cherub Rock, Quiet and Today made me an instant fan. Quiet, in particular, really hit home.
The following couple albums were enjoyable, but didn't have the same impact with me as Siamese Dream. The 21st century Smashing Pumpkins has been less fun for me.
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Stolen from Jackie's Facebook page. :lol
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I know, I know. Next album but Holy lol.
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They're not The Smashing Pumpkins anymore. They're Billy Corgan plus whoever is in the band *this week*.
At the moment - Jimmy is back in the band again for touring duties.
Ehhhhh.
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No, he's popping in for a few shows for now.
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I was just having a conversation with someone about Corgan's voice the other day. I likened it to Mustaine and Megadeth, the voice is always the hardest thing to get into.
Yeah. I heard Corgan's cover of Fleetwood Mac's Landslide on the radio the other day. It was pretty... gooooood.
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Never mind....meant to post in the Iron Maiden thread...
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Similar to you, Kev. Corgan always struck me as a really good songwriter who should have gotten a different lead singer for the band.
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Love this album. I actually prefer it over Mellon Collie. So many classic songs and personally my favorite "grunge" album. I love the guitar tones and I also don't mind Corgan's vocals. He's a great songwriter.
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I wouldn't put TSP in the grunge box at all really
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put me in the group that loves TSP music but can't stand Corgan's voice.
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One of my favorite albums ever from one of my favorite bands ever
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Put me in the group that likes the music of Smashing Pumpkins but because of their feud with Soundgarden, I dislike them as well. :lol
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I don't mind Corgan's voice. Some of the songs are so iconic, that it just wouldn't seem right without his voice.
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I wouldn't put TSP in the grunge box at all really
I wouldn't too.
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I always thought Pumpkins were closer to Grunge (Nirvana centric) than Alice in Chains or Soundgarden. The fuzzy guitar (instead of the grindy, cutting metal guitar or warm rock guitar), the lazy / angsty vocals. They were always "alternative grunge" to me. I never really cared for the genre term "alternative", so it usually has to be alternate + something it is alternating from.
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I dunno. Corgan is a much better guitarist, technically speaking, and he brought that influence into TSP. I'm thinking specifically Blackmore, Lifeson, Van Halen etc. There are some great guitar solos across their catalogue. That alone would put them closer to AiC or Soundgarden over Nirvana, who were basically Beatles meets punk.
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The 90s ushered in the guitar heroes albums, and one of the first was Ah Via Musicom by Eric Johnson. Now, despite its rep for being a guitar hero album, it has some good songwriting as well, as opposed to just song after song of guitar wankery. In fact, I've never thought of Johnson as a guy who just goes out there and rips it up for the sake of it. "Trademark" is a melodic gem, and the big classic, "Cliffs of Dover," is soaked with gorgeous melodies, helped as always by Johnson's sublime guitar tone.
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I didn't get into this one as much as Tones, I love that album. I should dig this one out and have a listen again.
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Smashing Pumpkins then Eric Johnson ... perfect follow up. The same friend that introduced me to SP, introduced me to EJ.
I had a few musician friends, but at this time my inner circle of guitarists centered around me and four others. It was a really good circle because
one friend was into the shredder scene: Vai, Satch, Becker, etc.
one was into finding bands like Smashing Pumpkins and Eric Johnson (less metal / shredder centric)
one was into thrash
one was into RHCP, Johnny Marr, etc
I was into all of it, but brought in more prog (then): Queensryche, Fates, Savatage
So it was a good mix that allowed for quickly finding out about many guitar centric genres
Cliffs of Dover was what finally made me go from a copy of the friends tape to buying the two Johnson CDs and instructional video. But the song that made me a long term EJ fan was Trademark. That song is just so perfect.
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This album is amazeballs.
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I know Cliffs of Dover, of course, but I had no idea that this album had a reputation. The more you know.
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Possibly the first album in this thread where I own a physical copy. Good stuff.
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My intro to Eric Johnson.
I was working at my colleges television station in the early 90's and used Righteous as the theme to the men's basketball coaches show.
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Trademark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=22&v=TB6HA350kv8)
This song feels so relaxing and soothing, but still exciting at the same time. If you haven't checked out Eric Johnson beyond Cliffs of Dover, then I recommend giving this song a try.
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I kind of fell off of the Eric Johnson radar after Ah Via, but he has made some very solid music after this one. Plus, being in Austin... you literally could not go anywhere without hearing SOMETHING from this album back when it broke, and it broke SO huge here. EJ was something of a local legend... Tones helped to put him on the bigger map, but Ah Via firmly planted him there. Great album, and even to this day just thinking of the instrumental intro to Cliffs of Dover gives me goosebumps because of the greatness that comes after. Trademark is absolutely great too, but I think my high watermark on this would HAVE to be High Landrons. SUCH a good song and that solo... just mmm. Tasty.
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The only album by EJ I know and I really like it. I was introduced to Eric Johnson by my guitar teacher and we learned to play some of the songs, meaning he could play them and I would try to make them sound half decent ;D Sometimes I even suceeded.
And I remember reading several interviews with Eric, where he talked about his search for the right guitar sound and he got into as much detail as how the kind of battery you put into your effect pedal affects your sound. And then I heard the live G3 album with Satriani, Vai and Eric Johnson and he had such a shitty sound on that album. Maybe he should have used other batteries. ::)
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he got into as much detail as how the kind of battery you put into your effect pedal affects your sound.
That's the common EJ story. Pedals and batteries. It always sounded like a PR thing to me.
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I enjoy Tones most, but I consider Eric Johnson's 1st 3 albums all about equal.
White Cliffs of Dover being probably the biggest winner on Ah Via.
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he got into as much detail as how the kind of battery you put into your effect pedal affects your sound.
That's the common EJ story. Pedals and batteries. It always sounded like a PR thing to me.
Could be, but he talked about it a lot and very detailed, he came of as a kind of sound/tone-nerd ;D
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The 1990s is really the decade where solo guitar instrumentalists found that they can make a tull-time career out of what they were doing.
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The 1990s is really the decade where solo guitar instrumentalists found that they can make a tull-time career out of what they were doing.
Yep - it was the only place to find a decent guitar solo ;D
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Love, love, love Ah Via Musicom. Like Kev mentioned, the songwriting is really strong, not just the fireworks.
Of course, acquiring the tab for Cliffs of Dover and attempting to learn it was what finally convinced me that rhythm guitar was my future.
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who?
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who?
Backhands.
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I apologize for slacking and disregarding this thread for the last couple weeks. Time to get back on track...
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Matchbox Twenty was a band I never paid much attention to, but their songs were ones you couldn't avoid, which wasn't a bad thing, since the hits from this album are all enjoyable - "Real World, " "3 A.M.," "Push" and "Long Day." All good songs, and Yourself or Someone Like You sold a ton of classics as a result, and I think this has attained classic album status, so here we go.
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I know this album was huge but I liked the next two albums more.
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The thread is alive!
Despite being a 90s guy, I never got into Matchbox 20. They were too "clean" for me following that early 90s rock movement.
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I quite liked what I hear from Matchbox Twenty. There are times where "Unwell" and "Real World" really resonated with me.
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I love their album Yourself or Someone Like You. That was my soundtrack during high school.
Favorite track is Hang. Very mellow and kind of introspecting
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I never bought a Matchbox 20 album, but it probably wouldn't hurt to revisit some of the tracks others recommend here.
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Never heard of them :P
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I don’t really have an opinion on that album. I know the singles, and neither love nor hate them.
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I own this one, it's a really great record. Didn't like much of what they did after this.
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This album is so good. 12 really outstanding tracks. You know an album's pretty good if the whole first half is released as singles. My favorites on this album were Long day, Back 2 Good, Kody, and Hang. May have to pull this sucker out on my next car ride.
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This album was everywhere it seemed, I remember seeing the same videos over and over on MTV and VH1.
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This was my wife's favorite album when we first started dating, which meant I had to hear it a lot.
It's actually really good, and they are a pretty good band.