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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: chaossystem on July 17, 2015, 05:46:42 PM
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The year 2017 will see the 20th anniversary of Falling Into Infinity and the 15th for Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I think they should both be commemorated in a big way. I have some ideas, and I'm, sure I'm not the only one. But maybe some of you think they should let it pass WITHOUT making a big fuss over it. Either way any comments or suggestions are always welcome, so what have you got?
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Not being a big fan of FII I wouldn't have them play it, but hey, these are my tastes and I know a lot of people love it.
Now, for 6DOIT, I would be satisfied with TGP or TGD
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IaW 25th !!! :P
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Nah. At this rate, there is an anniversary of something every year, and it's best to save such things for the landmark records.
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IaW 25th !!! :P
Yeah...
...and I ALSO forgot that it will be the TENTH anniversary of Systematic Chaos!!
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And the fifth aniversary of ... the year between BCASL and ADTOE!
These anniversaries are really getting out of hand. As mentioned earlier, almost every year is %5=0 years since some album's release. I really hope that DT does not do much to "celebrate" these in the future. I was fine with the Awake and SFAM anniversaries on the Along for the Ride tour, even though they took up almost half of the setlist. That is fine as a one-time thing, but not if it happens every tour. I would much rather have the band play songs from throughout its career than restrict itself to songs from a few specific albums to celebrate an arbitrary anniversary.
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I think celebrating the 25th anniversary of Images and Words and/or the 15th anniversary of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence would be awesome. Since they celebrated half of their big four albums on the last tour, it makes sense to celebrate the other half when that time comes around. The only other album I would like to see them celebrate is Octavarium, but that's just because I want a higher possibility of hearing Panic Attack and the title track live.
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And the fifth aniversary of ... the year between BCASL and ADTOE!
These anniversaries are really getting out of hand. As mentioned earlier, almost every year is %5=0 years since some album's release. I really hope that DT does not do much to "celebrate" these in the future. I was fine with the Awake and SFAM anniversaries on the Along for the Ride tour, even though they took up almost half of the setlist. That is fine as a one-time thing, but not if it happens every tour. I would much rather have the band play songs from throughout its career than restrict itself to songs from a few specific albums to celebrate an arbitrary anniversary.
This is another really good example of how you can't please everybody: on the one hand you have the people who wish they would play at least one song from every album, which I usually agree with. But on the other hand there are people who think doing something like that is too "forced" and doesn't sound as good because it doesn't leave room for the songs that THEY think should be played instead.
If they were to do a tour, or at least some shows where they commemorate all FOUR of those albums at the same time, it would still make for a good variety of music. I don't think it's something anyone would get bored with.
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This isn't an "either or" situation. They don't need to continue celebrating arbitrary anniversaries, and they don't have to always play something from every studio album.
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I should have titled this thread "The Great Debate!"
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My post was unclear. I am fine with DT playing a song or two to celebrate an anniversary. I just do not want it to be a major focus of the setlist in the future.
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Nah. At this rate, there is an anniversary of something every year, and it's best to save such things for the landmark records.
Nah. At this rate, there is an anniversary of something every year, and it's best to save such things for the landmark records.
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I think the 'anniversary' thing was just a way to construct those Awake/SFAM songs into the last tour. They tour every 2-3 years, and have always made albums every 2-3 years - ergo there will always be an 'anniversary' of some sorts everytime they tour. Time to drop that expectation - theirs and ours.
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The last tour's setlist really suffered for the anniversary thing imo, and I think it's run its course.
I'd love any excuse for them to actually play a lot of the SDOIT songs, but I don't think 15th anniversary is really a thing. They should play them anyway just because, same with FII.
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Nah. At this rate, there is an anniversary of something every year, and it's best to save such things for the landmark records.
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I think the 'anniversary' thing was just a way to construct those Awake/SFAM songs into the last tour. They tour every 2-3 years, and have always made albums every 2-3 years - ergo there will always be an 'anniversary' of some sorts everytime they tour. Time to drop that expectation - theirs and ours.
Yeah - every once in a while, celebrating an anniversary, especially when significant is worthwhile. But when it seems to be happening on a very regular basis, it takes away from what is supposed to make anniversaries special (which is what I think is happening with the recent Yes tours where they're playing 2 or 3 albums in their entirety per tour). Maybe in 2022, if the band is still around, it would be worth highlighting IaW and SDoIT. I wouldn't include FII considering all the problems they dealt with on that album.
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JP said he'd like to play the whole title "song" of Six Degrees again some day, so who knows if they'll dig it up for the anniversary? I'm not a huge fan of it myself, but it would be a cool thing for those who love it. I can't see them doing anything special related to FII or SC though, as those two albums aren't nearly as popular as the big 4, and focusing heavily on anniversary sets just reeks of nostalgia anyway.
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So, now every album needs it's own anniversary. Let's have a potluck! :lol
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2017 is 18 months away yet! I'm sure these ideas don't need 18 months of planning.
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Breaking News
2016 is a no-aniversary year. And it's going to be the year of a world tour.
Apart from new songs, and a handful of "never played before" from DT 12, all the rest of the "evening with" 3-hours-or-so setlist is still free for them in terms of oldies but glodies to insert in setlist...
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They should play ONE notorious song from the album whose anniversary is and there you go, problem solved.
6DOIT: The Glass Prison/TGD alternate
Falling Into Infinity: Lines in the Sand or Anna Lee, dunno
Images and Words: Take the Time or Wait for Sleep and Learning to Live played together.
There you go.
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They should play ONE notorious song from the album whose anniversary is and there you go, problem solved.
Doesn't really sound like much of an anniversary celebration to be honest. That sounds like picking some rarely played or "notorious" song and including it in the setlist. Not really different from any other occasion where they've done such a thing.
Breaking News
2016 is a no-aniversary year.
Wrong! It's the 30th anniversary of the Majesty demo tape. So that obviously means for the second set they'll play the whole Majesty demo, complete with extended solos by JM and JL!!!!!!! :biggrin:
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5th ADToE also :)
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I am ok with the anniversary commemorations as long as it doea not go below 15th anniv. My impression when they did Awake and SFAM is that they want to honor their previous work is a special way with Mangini while they are still near peak forn in terms of live playing.
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I didn't think there would be so many negative responses to this idea. I thought more people would want something like this. Especially after the way so many people have raved about how much they love When Dream and Day Reunite, and how great and wonderful most of you thought the second set of the Along for the Ride tour was.
-It seems that the word "arbitrary" got thrown around a lot, like I just pulled the numbers for these anniversary years out of my ass. The idea was to commemorate anniversaries only if they are divisible by five, starting with the album being at least ten years old. And let's not forget that the band celebrated the 15th anniversaries of BOTH of their first two albums by playing them in their entirety. I think they should have done it on the 10th and/or 20th anniversaries instead.
-I don't really have a "big four" best or favorite DT albums. I think there are strengths and weaknesses in ALL of them. So to say that only the "big 4" can be commemorated on any given anniversary is just as wrong as saying that EVERY album MUST be commemorated on it's 5TH anniversary, which is what some of you are at least implying that I am saying.
-I agree with Blob that the "Ride" set-list left a lot to be desired, and could have been a lot better. They should have picked a few songs each from Awake, SfaM, and WDaDU, since it 2014 was it's 25th anniversary as well, and mixed up the order instead of shoving the whole thing down our throats all at once. I would have kept Space-Dye Vest and Scarred, and maybe added a couple of other songs such as Voices and Innocence Faded, instead of ALL of the rest of "Side Two." As for SFaM, Did we REALLY need BOTH of the instrumentals from SAME album in the SAME encore? There are SO many ways they could have done the "SFaM 15th" better! Songs like Home, Fatal Tragedy and/or Beyond This Life, One Last Time, etc. You get the idea.
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Nah. At this rate, there is an anniversary of something every year, and it's best to save such things for the landmark records.
SUre, there's always an anniversary if you want to look for a connection. But 20 years is more of a landmark and probably a fair amount of time to pass for it to be worth acknowledging certain albums. It wouldn't at all surprise me if FII gets a similar sort of recognition this time with possibly Six Degrees in a similar way to how SFAM complimented the Awake Anniversary. Although maybe that's the problem if it seems too predictable..? Still, anniversaries seem like as good an excuse as any to get Mangini versions of some of the more obscure or unlikely songs to get played.
In any case, I think I follow why a lot of people don't want Anniversaries to be a stardard for set building. But personally I don't really care what the method is. I don't have much expectation for what songs will be at a DT show because there's so many possibilities. Having the chance to see one of your favourite albums being played live might be one of the coolest experiences you could have going to a live show. But of course if you're not a fan of the album, it's not going to be as exciting. I think Anniversaries are a great way to bring variety to the sets if anything, or at least be used as a framework to allow for certain songs that might not have otherwise had a chance to be played, and I think that works pretty well for a live band with as much history as Dream Theater.
And the fifth aniversary of ... the year between BCASL and ADTOE!
These anniversaries are really getting out of hand. As mentioned earlier, almost every year is %5=0 years since some album's release. I really hope that DT does not do much to "celebrate" these in the future. I was fine with the Awake and SFAM anniversaries on the Along for the Ride tour, even though they took up almost half of the setlist. That is fine as a one-time thing, but not if it happens every tour. I would much rather have the band play songs from throughout its career than restrict itself to songs from a few specific albums to celebrate an arbitrary anniversary.
This is another really good example of how you can't please everybody: on the one hand you have the people who wish they would play at least one song from every album, which I usually agree with. But on the other hand there are people who think doing something like that is too "forced" and doesn't sound as good because it doesn't leave room for the songs that THEY think should be played instead.
If they were to do a tour, or at least some shows where they commemorate all FOUR of those albums at the same time, it would still make for a good variety of music. I don't think it's something anyone would get bored with.
Exactly, the expectation of having a certain type of variety doesn't have to be exclusive to using anniversary dates to cycle material.
I like variety in shows and I also like being surprised by some of the anniversary recognition. I dunno, so long as it doesn't feel like it's becoming too predictable, they should still consider anniversary dates IMO. :tup
They should play ONE notorious song from the album whose anniversary is and there you go, problem solved.
6DOIT: The Glass Prison/TGD alternate
Falling Into Infinity: Lines in the Sand or Anna Lee, dunno
Images and Words: Take the Time or Wait for Sleep and Learning to Live played together.
There you go.
Yeah, there you go indeed. It doesn't have to be that complicated or use much setlist space.
Doesn't really sound like much of an anniversary celebration to be honest.
True, but that's the point, it's not so much a celebration that takes up the whole set, but rather a reference or recognition to something that hasn't been heard in a while but deserves to be played. I suppose if a song is in this position they could just play it anyway, but self referencing and nuggetz and anniversry dates syncing up to commemorate certain albums sounds like the DT I know. :P
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Breaking News
2016 is a no-aniversary year. And it's going to be the year of a world tour.
This.
Doesn't matter what albums have anniversaries in 2017. There is a good chance they won't be touring in 2017 at all, or possibly will simply be touring an extension of the 2016 world tour.
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I don't know; count me in on those that think the whole notion of "anniversaries" of every little thing cheapen the general notion. We can basically find an anniversary for everything.
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Before I was reminded that I&W and SC have anniversaries in the same year, my original idea was for a show that would be about 1/3 songs from FII, about 1/3 from 6Doit, and the remaining third would be "newer," or from the rest of the post-2000 albums.
Maybe something like this:
Set One:
1) Burning My Soul
2) The Great Debate
3) Repentance
4) Sacrificed Sons
5) New Millennium
6) Solitary Shell/
7) About to Crash (Reprise)/
8) Losing Time/Grand Finale
9) Just Let Me Breathe
10) As I Am
~~~Intermission~~~
Set Two:
1) Peruvian Skies
2) Lost Not Forgotten
3) Hell's Kitchen
4) Blind Faith
5) Hollow Years
6) A Rite of Passage
7) Lines in the Sand
8) The Glass Prison
9) The Enemy Inside
Encore: (If it's too long, any of the first three songs could be removed)
1) Innocence Faded
2) Status Seeker
3) One Last Time
4) Take the Time
Now I am aware of the fact that if they did anything even remotely resembling my idea, it wouldn't be until the second leg of the next tour. I am also aware that they might put out another live release from the first leg featuring songs from the new album, and that the second leg would probably have to include most or all of the new songs that they don't play on the first leg, so even if they DID do this, the set would have to be adjusted accordingly.
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Folks, let's just enjoy the 30th anniversary of the band while its upon us.
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I doubt if anyone is even going to read this, but I'm bored, so I'm posting it anyway.
My second idea incorporates the 25th anniversary of Images and Words as well, so it's about 1/4 each of I&W, FII, and 6DoiT, with the remaining fourth being "newer" songs.
Set One:
1) Burning My Soul
2) Take the Time
3) Blind Faith
4) Constant Motion
5) Just Let Me Breathe
6) Learning to Live (The reason I put TtT and LtL in the show early is because the band hasn't played either of them for a while, so a lot of people will be eager to hear them.)
7) A Rite of Passage
8) New Millennium
9) The Glass Prison
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) Under a Glass Moon
2) Hollow Years
3) About to Crash/
4) War Inside My Head/
5) The Test That Stumped Them All
6) Lost Not Forgotten
7) Hell's Kitchen
8) Another Day
9) Solitary Shell
10) Lines in the Sand
11) Pull Me Under (I know this song has been done to death, but since it's an anniversary show, I think a lot of people would be expecting-even DEMANDING-that they play it!)
12) The Enemy Inside
(I left out Metropolis because they're playing it on the current tour, and Trial of Tears because they played it on the last one.)
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Encore:
1) Status Seeker
2) Innocence Faded
3) As I Am
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Anniversaries are kind of cool and yes, it's nice when they are acknowledged by the band, but the setlists/tour should not revolve around them.
Unless, perhaps if it's a one-off performance of an album in it's entirety à la WD&DR...
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Well, I don't think my idea is THAT bad, because it still has a pretty good variety of DT's music. But on the other hand, maybe they just do at least ONE of MY ideas as a "one-off!"
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It seems a bit odd that they'd play three 6DOIT songs in the right order, then skip Goodnight Kiss and play three random songs before moving on with Solitary Shell IMO. And my opinion on anniversaries, I'd like to see some attention for rarely played 6DOIT songs like TGP and TGD, but I think the setlist could use some more variety for such a long one.
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I put the songs that fit the time-frame I was going for. The Glass Prison IS in there. I think the way I arranged the second set would sound pretty good, and hopefully not everyone would disagree with me. Besides, it is kind of similar to what they did on LaB, with WIMH/TTTSTA in the first set, and GK/SS in the second.
So how would you make it more varied?
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I don't know, but if DT wants to lose the crowd, playing Status Seeker in the encore is sure to do it. :lol :lol
Innocence Faded is a poor choice for an encore song as well.
Lastly, As I Am is more of a set opener/first encore song, than set closer or show closer.
Your selection of songs overall is mostly good, but the running order is not. Do some serious rearranging and that could be a mostly great set list (chuck Constant Motion into an abyss somewhere).
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The idea for the encore was to have songs that weren't from any of those three albums, but also aren't from the last few albums either.
They DID play As I Am as set-closer in a few shows on the Octavarium tour.
I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one who likes Constant Motion.
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I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one who likes Constant Motion.
Not at all! It's a great high energy metal song. :tup
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I think Constant Motion would be great if they rerecord the vocals to angry James LaBrie than the Herfield clone.
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I like MP's vocals in the studio version, but dislike how they sound live.
I actually ended up liking James singing both parts after the first chorus more than with MP.
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I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one who likes Constant Motion.
Are you kidding? Constant Motion is fantastic! my #2 SC track and overall #20-30, I'd love to see it live.
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The idea for the encore was to have songs that weren't from any of those three albums, but also aren't from the last few albums either.
That's fine, but sometimes ideas might look good on paper, but not work in reality. I don't think Status Seeker (a song I actually kinda like) in the encore works on paper or reality. :biggrin: :lol
They DID play As I Am as set-closer in a few shows on the Octavarium tour.
Well, it was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now, IMO.
I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one who likes Constant Motion.
I'm sure I'm not the ONLY who who dislikes Constant Motion. :P
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I like MP's vocals in the studio version, but dislike how they sound live.
I actually ended up liking James singing both parts after the first chorus more than with MP.
The thing is that in a live setting MP would pull out his bad guy persona vocals trying to sound 'cool' or something, which only made him sound forced and silly. I'm not a big fan of Constant Motion because I don't digest the idea of MP sharing lead vocals with JLB, but I can listen to the studio version every once in a while.
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I don't know, but if DT wants to lose the crowd, playing Status Seeker in the encore is sure to do it. :lol :lol
Innocence Faded is a poor choice for an encore song as well.
Lastly, As I Am is more of a set opener/first encore song, than set closer or show closer.
Your selection of songs overall is mostly good, but the running order is not. Do some serious rearranging and that could be a mostly great set list (chuck Constant Motion into an abyss somewhere).
All right then.
Fair enough.
You're entitled to your opinion.
So how about THIS instead:
1) Light Fuse and Get Away
2) To live Forever (Or 1 & 2 could be reversed. I can't really decide which way works better...)
3) 6:00
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For an encore? That's a really weird encore.
The encore shouldn't be something from WDADU, just because that is their most obscure album. Few would know it, and few of them would like it.
To Live Forever would work as part of a multi-song encore, I guess, but I wouldn't pick it. That seems more like a "body of the setlist" song than an "encore" song.
6:00 is also not a good encore song.
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The idea for the encore was to have songs that weren't from any of those three albums, but also aren't from the last few albums either.
They DID play As I Am as set-closer in a few shows on the Octavarium tour.
I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one who likes Constant Motion.
Any suggestions?
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Are you asking yourself a question?
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No.
I was trying to make it clear what the question was about.
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Any suggestions?
A different format for the encore?
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Like what?
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Like, just one, two, or three (depending on length) of the most awesome songs from their body of work that aren't played in the body of the setlist?
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I hope no one is taking any of this too seriously. It's all meant to be fun. I don't think it hurts to speculate about how the band might observe the anniversaries of these albums, and I don't think playing a show or even a tour with songs that are mostly or entirely from them would be the worst way to do that.
Since no one seems to like the last idea I had, try this:
Set One:
1) Burning My Soul
2) Take the Time
3) Blind Faith
4) Constant Motion
5) Just Let Me Breathe
6) Learning to Live
7) The Glass Prison
8) As I Am (The song selection stays the same, but these songs are in the two main sets, not the encore)
9) New Millennium
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) Under a Glass Moon
2) About to Crash
3) War Inside My Head
4) The Test that Stumped them All
5) Hollow Years
6) Innocence Faded
7) Status Seeker
8) Hell's Kitchen
9) Another Day
10) Solitary Shell
11) A Rite of Passage
12) Lines in the Sand
13) Pull Me Under
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Encore: (A couple of songs from the last two albums.)
1) Lost Not Forgotten
2) The Enemy Inside
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Re-arranging your set list for better flow:
Set One:
1. As I Am
2. Status Seeker
3. Blind Faith
4. Lost Not Forgotten
5. Hollow Years
6. New Millennium
7. Constant Motion
8. Under a Glass Moon
9. Burning My Soul
10. Hell's Kitchen
11. Lines in the Sand
-intermission-
1. The Glass Prison
2. About to Crash
3. War Inside My Head
4. The Test That Stumped Them All
5. Another Day
6. Just Let Me Breathe
7. Innocence Faded
8. A Rite of Passage
9. Solitary Shell
10. Take the Time
11. Learning to Live
Encore:
1. The Enemy Inside
2. Pull Me Under
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I really feel we need The Bigger Picture and Surrender to Reason on next tour. I hope I'm not alone in this (my two favorites from self-titled) and I hope band will choose to play those songs. And StR would be good closer IMO.
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Re-arranging your set list for better flow:
Set One:
1. As I Am
2. Status Seeker
3. Blind Faith
4. Lost Not Forgotten
5. Hollow Years
6. New Millennium
7. Constant Motion
8. Under a Glass Moon
9. Burning My Soul
10. Hell's Kitchen
11. Lines in the Sand
-intermission-
1. The Glass Prison
2. About to Crash
3. War Inside My Head
4. The Test That Stumped Them All
5. Another Day
6. Just Let Me Breathe
7. Innocence Faded
8. A Rite of Passage
9. Solitary Shell
10. Take the Time
11. Learning to Live
Encore:
1. The Enemy Inside
2. Pull Me Under
Your ideas are good, and I think I would enjoy the show just as much either way. However, I think we would both be in the minority, and I had a lot of the songs in the order that they're in for good reasons. I put the "new" songs as the encore because I kept getting told that the ones I originally chose were the "wrong" songs for an encore. Also, while *I* don't mind if Pull Me Under is the final song in the show, there are WAY too many other people that keep reacting to it like I was suggesting that they do a Katy Perry song, or something just as annoying (like maybe a country song) for the encore!
And finally, I thought that Hell's Kitchen would be a good lead into Another Day, which in turn would flow nicely into Solitary Shell. I think it would sound kind of strange to "sandwich" Another Day in between two faster, heavier songs. I was thinking of the overall "flow" as well as the fact that I like to mix up the expected order of things.
One Last Time:
Like I said, 2017 will ALSO be the 10th anniversary of Systematic Chaos, which is one of my personal favorite DT albums, so I worked out one MORE idea that has songs from I&W, FII, 6DoiT, and SC ONLY in the two main sets, and again, a couple of "new" songs for the encore.
As James likes to say "HERE WE GO!"
Set One:
1) Burning My Soul
2) Take the Time
3) Blind Faith
4) Forsaken
5) Just Let Me Breathe
6) Learning to Live
7) The Glass Prison
8) In the Presence of Enemies, Part 1
9) New Millennium
~~~~Intermission~~~~
Set Two:
1) Under a Glass Moon
2) Hollow Years
3) About to Crash/
4) War Inside My Head/
5) The Test That Stumped Them All
6) Repentance
7) Hell's Kitchen
8) Another Day
9) Solitary Shell
10) Constant Motion
11) Lines in the Sand
12) Pull Me Under
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Encore:
1) Breaking All Illusions
2) The Enemy Inside
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But this would all depend on the new album and what they do with the songs from it.
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Also, while *I* don't mind if Pull Me Under is the final song in the show, there are WAY too many other people that keep reacting to it like I was suggesting that they do a Katy Perry song, or something just as annoying (like maybe a country song) for the encore!
I would rather hear a cover of a Katy Perry song, or a country song, than Pull Me Under.
Nothing wrong with Pull Me Under per se; it's just been played to death. It's been done.
I think a Katy Perry cover would be a hoot. I would love to see their version of, say, Roar, or Firework.
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First of all I was joking about them doing Katy Scary or cowntry songs. That would be worse than a nightmare come true. Do you REALLY want DT to turn into Faith No More? That's the kind of thing that FNM is known for. We don't need ANOTHER band that does those kinds of things.
It wouldn't really bother me if DT played Pull Me Under at every single one of their shows. There are a lot of bands that not only have certain songs that they're expected to play every time, but have a certain pretty much required PLACE in the set.
Just to name a few examples:
-Iron Maiden always has to play The Trooper near the beginning of the Show, and Hallowed Be Thy Name, The Number of the Beast, and Iron Maiden at the end of the set, or in the encore.
-Metallica always seems required to play Enter Sandman, One, and Master of Puppets, among others.
-Kansas always has to play Carry On Wayward Son as either set-closer or encore. They also keep dragging out The Wall and Miracles Out of Nowhere, even though the live versions of those songs are getting to sound worse and worse. Point of Know Return doesn't bother me, because at least it's a painlessly SHORT song.
-Yes always has to conclude with Roundabout. Personally I think the current version of Yes should give up and call it a day, before they completely destroy a great band's LEGACY!
-Speaking of Metallica, on their last several tours they ALWAYS open with Creeping Death and For Whom the Bell Tolls, and close with Seek & Destroy as their encore. Imagine DT having to open EVERY show with Metropolis and Pull Me Under, and playing A Fortune in Lies for the encore.
Then everyone who gets sick of hearing the same songs over and over would REALLY have something to bitch about!
It would be better if Metallica would play one of the two RtL songs about 20-30 minutes into the set, and the other one closer to the end.
I think a good compromise might be that DT could play Pull Me Under at the end of the first set, and Metropolis could be switched could be switched out with a song like The Root of All as second-set closer and encore.
There are more examples, such as the way Rush used to close their shows with In the Mood, which I think is one of their WORST songs, or Genesis always playing Turn it on Again as their encore
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:omg: :facepalm:
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If DT really wanted to be serious about anniversaries from here on out, their best bet is to pull a WDADRU and just block out one or two shows to play the whole album they're commemorating, with the tour progressing unhindered otherwise. The idea of a special show or two is much more fitting for these sorts of things than making it the centerpiece of an entire tour, or leg of a tour even.
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chaossystem, the problem here is that you seemingly want DT to throw a curve ball by playing the most bizarre choices possible in their encore, seemingly for either the shock value or the sake of something different, while giving little thought as to how poorly such choices would go over with a live crowd.
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-Iron Maiden always has to play The Trooper near the beginning of the Show, and Hallowed Be Thy Name, The Number of the Beast, and Iron Maiden at the end of the set, or in the encore.
-Metallica always seems required to play Enter Sandman, One, and Master of Puppets, among others.
-Speaking of Metallica, on their last several tours they ALWAYS open with Creeping Death and For Whom the Bell Tolls, and close with Seek & Destroy as their encore. Imagine DT having to open EVERY show with Metropolis and Pull Me Under, and playing A Fortune in Lies for the encore.
Then everyone who gets sick of hearing the same songs over and over would REALLY have something to bitch about!
It would be better if Metallica would play one of the two RtL songs about 20-30 minutes into the set, and the other one closer to the end.
I think a good compromise might be that DT could play Pull Me Under at the end of the first set, and Metropolis could be switched could be switched out with a song like The Root of All as second-set closer and encore.
There are more examples, such as the way Rush used to close their shows with In the Mood, which I think is one of their WORST songs, or Genesis always playing Turn it on Again as their encore
First off, in Metallica's last tour, we got to vote which songs they played, so it was all up to the audience, and obviously the most popular songs were picked, all they did was create the best order, and Seek and Destroy is just a killer closing song, and Battery (has almost always been the opener last year) was an amazing opener.
When I went to see Maiden I don't believe they played Iron Maiden, Hallowed Be Thy Name or The Number of the Beast, and The Trooper was played somewhere in the middle. Sure, everyone's most popular song(s) get played more often during concerts, but that's always the smartest thing to do from their perspective, because it simply attracts the bigger part of the audience, but they're surely not obliged to play them on every single set.
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Do you REALLY want DT to turn into Faith No More?
Is this a serious question?
It wouldn't really bother me if DT played Pull Me Under at every single one of their shows.
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There are a lot of bands that not only have certain songs that they're expected to play every time, but have a certain pretty much required PLACE in the set.
So?
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I can't believe we're so close to the freakin' 10th anniversary of Systematic Chaos. I became a fan in that era (not thanks to that album though), and the band was already a huge establishment by that time.
But anyways, if they ever celebrate any album I suppose they would do that like they did for Awake/SFAM, only taking a couple unique songs they haven't played in a while or playing half an album or so as part of the set. I mean, there's a lot of sense in celebrating your first album, your breakthrough album, your 2nd breakthrough album and the album that saved the band's career. But what's the sense in celebrating something like the album that nearly ended the band, or a 10 year old album that no one feels nostalgia for yet?
I do believe they'll commemorate SDOIT somehow, possibly by playing the song SDOIT again.
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Another way that they might do it is to just play TWO or THREE songs from each of the albums that has an anniversary that year. I think there are some songs from EACH of those albums that we haven't heard for a while, so this would be a good excuse to bring them back.
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That's right, I think Prophets of War hasn't been played in a while, but I don't think a big portion of the fans wants to hear PoW as an anniversary, I would, but that's just me.
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There are some people who like it, and I wouldn't mind if they played. Besides it's a "shorter" song, so it wouldn't take up too much of the show.
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Nobody wanted to see fucking Lie being played last tour, but they had to play it because it's part of Awake.
So instead of playing The Bigger Picture they played fucking Lie.
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Nobody wanted to see fucking Lie being played last tour, but they had to play it because it's part of Awake.
So instead of playing The Bigger Picture they played fucking Lie.
I don't think nobody wanted to hear Lie. I surely didn't but many people like it.
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Nobody wanted to see fucking Lie being played last tour, but they had to play it because it's part of Awake.
So instead of playing The Bigger Picture they played fucking Lie.
You wanted them to play "The Bigger Fucking Picture" when Lie, Behind the Veil, and Surrender to Reason are all MUCH better songs???
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Nobody wanted to see fucking Lie being played last tour, but they had to play it because it's part of Awake.
You are dead wrong.
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Nobody wanted to see fucking Lie being played last tour, but they had to play it because it's part of Awake.
So instead of playing The Bigger Picture they played fucking Lie.
You wanted them to play "The Bigger Fucking Picture" when Lie, Behind the Veil, and Surrender to Reason are all MUCH better songs???
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It just has the reputation of "not meeting the studio version standards", though I would much rather see Lie live than The Bigger Picture.
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-Iron Maiden always has to play The Trooper near the beginning of the Show, and Hallowed Be Thy Name, The Number of the Beast, and Iron Maiden at the end of the set, or in the encore.
-Metallica always seems required to play Enter Sandman, One, and Master of Puppets, among others.
-Speaking of Metallica, on their last several tours they ALWAYS open with Creeping Death and For Whom the Bell Tolls, and close with Seek & Destroy as their encore. Imagine DT having to open EVERY show with Metropolis and Pull Me Under, and playing A Fortune in Lies for the encore.
Then everyone who gets sick of hearing the same songs over and over would REALLY have something to bitch about!
It would be better if Metallica would play one of the two RtL songs about 20-30 minutes into the set, and the other one closer to the end.
I think a good compromise might be that DT could play Pull Me Under at the end of the first set, and Metropolis could be switched could be switched out with a song like The Root of All as second-set closer and encore.
There are more examples, such as the way Rush used to close their shows with In the Mood, which I think is one of their WORST songs, or Genesis always playing Turn it on Again as their encore
First off, in Metallica's last tour, we got to vote which songs they played, so it was all up to the audience, and obviously the most popular songs were picked, all they did was create the best order, and Seek and Destroy is just a killer closing song, and Battery (has almost always been the opener last year) was an amazing opener.
When I went to see Maiden I don't believe they played Iron Maiden, Hallowed Be Thy Name or The Number of the Beast, and The Trooper was played somewhere in the middle. Sure, everyone's most popular song(s) get played more often during concerts, but that's always the smartest thing to do from their perspective, because it simply attracts the bigger part of the audience, but they're surely not obliged to play them on every single set.
First I want to say in regards to your last post, ToN, I'm glad you agree with me. I think I would have preferred EITHER BtV or StR to Lie or TBP.
I have to admit that I had forgotten about the voting thing that Metallica did, and also that they and Iron Maiden had done SOME mixing up of the order of their set-lists. But I looked up the set-lists for the last few tours and shows that both bands had played, and I still noticed that there are at least six songs by each band that are pretty much always there.
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I have to admit that I had forgotten about the voting thing that Metallica did, and also that they and Iron Maiden had done SOME mixing up of the order of their set-lists. But I looked up the set-lists for the last few tours and shows that both bands had played, and I still noticed that there are at least six songs by each band that are pretty much always there.
Fair enough, it's probably unavoidable to play those extremely popular tracks because such big bands come with loads of people who do like their music but never got into the more obscure stuff.
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Nobody wanted to see fucking Lie being played last tour, but they had to play it because it's part of Awake.
So instead of playing The Bigger Picture they played fucking Lie.
You wanted them to play "The Bigger Fucking Picture" when Lie, Behind the Veil, and Surrender to Reason are all MUCH better songs???
I would have them play BTV or STR instead of Lie. Hell, I would rather have them play fucking Raw Dog or Repentance as long as it's not Lie.