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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Phoenix87x on April 18, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
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New trailer for Genisys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGSxss7gWak
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Looks even more mental
And just as a warning, there's a pretty big spoiling in the trailer, so if you're avoiding them, then it might be better to sit this one out.
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Well that was thoroughly confusing.
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I'm actually looking forward to the new movie. With all the time traveling in the series it's not surprising that the timeline gets messed up. It's premise sounds like a pretty good way to reboot the series. I know it's not going to be anywhere close to T2 but it still looks like it could be a really fun movie.
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I'm actually looking forward to the new movie. With all the time traveling in the series it's not surprising that the timeline gets messed up. It's premise sounds like a pretty good way to reboot the series. I know it's not going to be anywhere close to T2 but it still looks like it could be a really fun movie.
My thoughts exactly.
The new trailer is very spoilery, although maybe it's an intentional red herring from editing? Or maybe it really is that straight-forward.
I mostly like what they're doing for this movie so far. No movie will live up to T1/2 at this point, and I don't expect it to. I just want a good action movie.
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I put Terminator Genisys in the same hype-category as I do Jurassic World. I think it'll be fine, an okay movie, but not one I will really remember or talk about much after it's out.
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Can someone explain to me how T2 is good? I liked the original, but have thought all the rest were garbage.
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Can someone explain to me how T2 is good? I liked the original, but have thought all the rest were garbage.
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Judgement Day is the best them.
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Next to The Godfather, T2 is my favorite film ever made.
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Next to The Godfather, T2 is my favorite film ever made.
Yeah but why? I'm not just trying to be a dick I really want to know why people like it.
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Great action, story, characters, acting... Have you actually seen it?
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This is like asking why pizza is great, or ice cream, or sex. If you need it explained, it's probably not worth trying. :lol
The story, the performances, the exciting action sequences, landmark visual effects, just everything.
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What everyone else said. While the first one was good, T2 was superior in almost every respect. I only remember bits and pieces because I was too young, but my dad and I went to the filming of the big Cyberdyne building explosion sequence near my hometown. :corn
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Terminator 3 on the other hand - total cack.
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This is like asking why pizza is great, or ice cream, or sex. If you need it explained, it's probably not worth trying. :lol
This exactly.
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I thought T3's story was interesting however I really think they cast the wrong actor for John Connor. To me he did not show the same presence as Ed Furlong for the part. T salvation was just god awful, cautious about Genysis. T1 & T2 are classics.
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Just so that I have said it at least once in this new thread: I really like Salvation.
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Just so that I have said it at least once in this new thread: I really like Salvation.
TBH, I haven't seen it, so I can't comment one way or the other.
But you are almost the only person I've seen who likes it.
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I only saw it once at the movies, and I didn't hate it. But I wouldn't say I liked it either. As much as I wanted to hate the very existence of T3 on principle, I don't mind it at all. It's not bad at all, as unnecessary as it was.
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T3 is a bit silly, but yeah, I don't really mind it either.
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I only saw it once at the movies, and I didn't hate it. But I wouldn't say I liked it either. As much as I wanted to hate the very existence of T3 on principle, I don't mind it at all. It's not bad at all, as unnecessary as it was.
Pretty much all of this.
As far as Salvation, it was fine. The one thing that I remember bugging me was just the simple incongruity of the "eel" terminators in the creek/river/whatever just outside Connors base, but the machines somehow not figuring out that his base was there and that if they launched an all-out attack against it, they could pretty much cripple the resistance in one shot.
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Terminator: Genisys
AWESOME! It felt 'real'. It felt 'honest'. It wasn't cheesy. The throwback references were awesome. Sarah Connor looked and acted like Sarah Connor. Totally check this one out, man, I'm blown away.
Also, if you can be spoiler-free for this or any future movie you want to see, I highly recommend it. It's so refreshing to not know what's going to happen It takes self-control to avoid commercials and stuff but the reward is well worth it.
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Terminator: Genisys
AWESOME! It felt 'real'. It felt 'honest'. It wasn't cheesy. The throwback references were awesome. Sarah Connor looked and acted like Sarah Connor. Totally check this one out, man, I'm blown away.
Also, if you can be spoiler-free for this or any future movie you want to see, I highly recommend it. It's so refreshing to not know what's going to happen It takes self-control to avoid commercials and stuff but the reward is well worth it.
I agree. I had very low expectations, but I was surprised by how good it was. Not perfect, but I thought it was a worthy addition to the franchise, much more so than 3 and 4. The trailer does give away too much, but assuming people have seen those, it doesn't spoil much of the actual story.
Most of the throwbacks felt natural with the retelling of the timeline (and they even fixed up that inconsistency between the speech in T1 and T2), with maybe only one or two very minor ones that were on the nose. There was plenty of attention to detail that you might not notice unless you're freshly familiar with T1/2. I'm also glad they used their one F-word for the street punk scene. :lol
There were some plot points that didn't make much sense or weren't explained in detail, but there was also a lot of well written stuff that tried to tie the movies and timelines together into one big continuity, which I thought was pretty ambitious, and was really enjoyable as a fan.
As I said in the movie thread, the casting wasn't all good, and the CGI wasn't great, but the story really felt like an honest attempt at making a true Terminator movie, and not just a throwaway cash-in like T3 imo (although I actually enjoy T3 unlike most people).
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Just read a local review giving it one star (out of 5 ) , so good to hear some positive vibes. I'll be seeing it this coming week I hope. I think I need to take Blob's advice and watch 1 & 2 first - I feel like I need the deep voice at the start "Previously..........on Terminator"
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Just read a local review giving it one star (out of 5 ) , so good to hear some positive vibes. I'll be seeing it this coming week I hope. I think I need to take Blob's advice and watch 1 & 2 first - I feel like I need the deep voice at the start "Previously..........on Terminator"
I had low expectations based on general reviews, and I don't know what their specific issues were with the movie, but I liked it from start to finish. It did rely on a general knowledge of the first two movies to really appreciate what they were trying to do, and it was a fast moving scifi movie that could be confusing if you're not into time travel stories, so it's clearly not going to be for everyone. And if you're particularly fussy, there is plenty to nitpick too.
But did I enjoy it? Hell yeah. Would I watch it again? Hell yeah.
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When I heard the trailers were spoilery, I didn't watch them. What bothers me though is that even though I didn't see the trailers, it seemed as if people just couldn't stop themselves from giving it away anyways. Like, way too obvious article titles with an image that just spoiled the entire thing. Or clearly stating in their SPOILER FREE REVIEW what the trailers gave away. Annoys the shit out of me. I can't stay spoiler free even if I try.
I don't think I'll bother with this one in the theaters, I'll wait for the blu-ray.
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Just read a local review giving it one star (out of 5 ) , so good to hear some positive vibes. I'll be seeing it this coming week I hope. I think I need to take Blob's advice and watch 1 & 2 first - I feel like I need the deep voice at the start "Previously..........on Terminator"
Yeah, critics don't seem to be taken with it at all. Digital Spy, which is a pretty geeky website, absolutely hated it and gave it 1 star as well.
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It's also why I never read reviews or check out critics... if it's a movie I really want to see I want to see it for myself and make my own decisions about whether or not I enjoyed it. I think too many people rely on and/or believe whatever some critic has to say and will go on that rather than trust themselves. They say stuff like "hey, I'd rather listen to what they say and if they didn't like it and save two hours and $20", which I think is sad.
There's risk in everything, if it's a movie you want to see then just go for it, if you're on the fence I still say go for it, but if you just don't plan on seeing it then go ahead and spoil away.
Art is art, be it movies, music, literature, etc and it should be up to each individual person whether or not they like something, not basing it on what others think.
Trying to be spoiler-free is kind of fun... and empowering. Like, "oh look, a commercial for Terminator is just starting" <changes channel> "ahhhhhhhh..." I almost get an adrenaline rush cuz it's not really an easy thing to do when you're really interested in something. BUT THEN... seeing the actual movie and being almost completely unsure of what's going to happen is even more thrilling.
My biggest challenge and Holy Grail will be trying to avoid spoilers for The Force Awakens. There's just too many social media sources where people will blurt stuff out without thinking. To make it worse, I play the Star Wars MMO "The Old Republic" which is all about that Star Wars. I may have to /ignore the entire game population two months before the movie comes out.
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It's also why I never read reviews or check out critics...
Oh absolutely, I'm exactly the same, and as many of us have discussed at length in another thread, whether a piece of art is good or not comes very much down to personal opinion and preference. In this case, I was just interested to see what they said because they had the 1-star rating in the headline for the article.
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Cool. Let me know what you think after you see it.
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Hoping to see it this weekend. jingle.son and I are just about to load up The Terminator in a few minutes; we'll to T2 tomorrow or Saturday, then take in Genesys Sunday perhaps. I'm really pissed they gave away the big John Connor 'spoiler' in the trailers. WTF did they do that for? That would've been the biggest f'n twist ever if you didn't know about it. Talk about a blown opportunity.
@ Blob... I too am totally fine with T3. Heck, I like Salvation too - other than the fact I can't stand Worthington as an actor. I thought the story was just fine.
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Hoping to see it this weekend. jingle.son and I are just about to load up The Terminator in a few minutes; we'll to T2 tomorrow or Saturday, then take in Genesys Sunday perhaps. I'm really pissed they gave away the big John Connor 'spoiler' in the trailers. WTF did they do that for? That would've been the biggest f'n twist ever if you didn't know about it. Talk about a blown opportunity.
They did the same thing with Salvation. Would have been an amazing twist... Until you put some thought into it and think back to all the times he took damage only a robot could survive.
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Hoping to see it this weekend. jingle.son and I are just about to load up The Terminator in a few minutes; we'll to T2 tomorrow or Saturday, then take in Genesys Sunday perhaps. I'm really pissed they gave away the big John Connor 'spoiler' in the trailers. WTF did they do that for? That would've been the biggest f'n twist ever if you didn't know about it. Talk about a blown opportunity.
They held it back in the very first trailers, and then just gave that away entirely. It was bad advertising. It's not like they didn't have enough Terminators for the trailers without it, and it's such a big turning point to the story.
It almost had me wondering if the movie was going to have anything cool that wasn't given away in the trailer, but it didn't hurt the movie for me, it just took away that surprise.
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I liked Salvation a lot. I'll tell you where T3 got destroyed for me (spoilers)...
1) In the beginning when Arnold steals the truck, he goes to break the ignition, but then "remembers" the keys-in-the-visor trick. This is a different Arnold, the one from T2 is melted, so there's no way this one could know that. DISCLAIMER: Ok, whatever, MAYBE it's got newer software version that got patched with this information in it (if no key then check visor else smash it), so I can MAYBE forget this one.
2) This is the real facepalm moment. Arnold is driving the truck and John is in the passenger seat:
John: Don't you remember me? Blowing up Cyberdyne? Hasta la vista, baby?
Arnold: No. That was a different model.
John: What, do you guys come off an assembly line or something?
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!
This moment was just so unbelievable to me. How dumb do they think the audience is to have to try and explain something like this and how STUPID does John Connor have to be to even be ASKING these questions?
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John also says to the Terminator (might even be the same scene?) that it was "the closest thing to a father he ever had". Even though as you say, it's not the same Terminator. It also annoyed me on another level where it seems like a dumbed down version of the Terminator as a father figure theme. In T2 it's a great scene where Sarah watches the Terminator play with John and compares it to the various father figures she introduced, but in T3 it's just John making a statement out of the blue with no context, to a different Terminator. :\
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The timeline is so messed up in Terminator that it's not going to work perfectly either way, but the first point is explainable.
The movie is set after the "Judgement Day" date as they knew it in the timeline of T1/T2, so I take it as the next iteration of the timeline, with the John Connor who sent back THIS Terminator being the one who went through the events of T2, whereas the Terminator that got sent back in T2 is the result of the timeline that only factors in T1, ie. likely a timeline where Judgement Day was not stopped in 1997, but T1 happened. At some point, there must have been an original timeline where Kyle Reese was not John Connor's father, but that's another story.
So the Terminator of T3 was programmed by the John Connor who went through the events of T2, and programmed this one with some of that knowledge, rather than the blank slate of T2.
It's been a while since I've seen T3, but point 2 seems fairly inexcusable, and seems like just a throwaway callback at the expense of logic for a joke. This is a John Connor who has spent his life off the grid because of what happened in T2, so the fact that Terminators are churned out on assembly lines should be second nature to him.
That said, I still quite like Terminator 3, and don't think it's the abomination that people make it out to be. It certainly wasn't a necessary film though.
I've only watched Salvation once at the cinema, but it didn't live up to the future war that was shown in the first two movies. Again, I didn't think it was quite as bad as people make it out to be though, but it could have been so much more, and also had a lot of problems.
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Movie was decent but definitely one of the least impressive ones I've seen this year. The confusing timeline and rehashing of material just makes me appreciate even more what classics T1 and T2 are.
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Agreed... those moments were lol-worthy, and frankly, I hated both Nick Stahl as John, and Danes as his future-wife was pretty bad as well. The main story arch was good; the action scenes were good; the conclusion was fantastic. I also hated how when Terminator 101 got corrupted, he didn't just crush Connor's larynx in 1/2 a second. C'mon! If the terminator wanted to kill Connor, he would've done it in a split second. I could've bouugh the whole "you're about to fail your mission" as a means to create this paradox of programming within Arnie - but not after/while he got his paws wrapped around Connor's throat.
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I think what kills T3 the most for me is the silly humour. Like when the TX stomps the head of the T-800, and it just pops it back on without any apparent loss of function despite its head having been almost completely removed. The whole movie was rife with stuff like that and it seemed like more of an action-comedy, which isn't a bad thing on its own, but neither of the first two were like that. I didn't like the shift in tone and I didn't think any of it was actually funny anyway.
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So the Terminator of T3 was programmed by the John Connor who went through the events of T2, and programmed this one with some of that knowledge, rather than the blank slate of T2.
Wasn't the T3 terminator programmed by Catherine though? After it was captured after having succeeded in its attempt to assassinate John?
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So the Terminator of T3 was programmed by the John Connor who went through the events of T2, and programmed this one with some of that knowledge, rather than the blank slate of T2.
Wasn't the T3 terminator programmed by Catherine though? After it was captured after having succeeded in its attempt to assassinate John?
I don't know. As I said, it's been a while since I've watched it properly, although I've seen it at probably 4 or 5 times.
I think what kills T3 the most for me is the silly humour. Like when the TX stomps the head of the T-800, and it just pops it back on without any apparent loss of function despite its head having been almost completely removed. The whole movie was rife with stuff like that and it seemed like more of an action-comedy, which isn't a bad thing on its own, but neither of the first two were like that. I didn't like the shift in tone and I didn't think any of it was actually funny anyway.
I don't mind some humour, and I wouldn't T3 an action-comedy even at a stretch. I especially liked the joke with the clothes/glasses at the start. T2 had its share of humour too, but it kept a serious tone.
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I'm just very particular about what kinds of humour I like and don't like. The humour in the first two films is my kind of thing, the humour in the third not at all.
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I'm just very particular about what kinds of humour I like and don't like. The humour in the first two films is my kind of thing, the humour in the third not at all.
That's fair enough. I personally have no problem with the humour in T3, and I like to defend the movie as being decent, but it's not like I'd begin to compare it to T1 or T2 or anything.
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The "talk to the hand" stuff is pretty funny.
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https://redlettermedia.com/half-in-bag-terminator-genisys/
Half In The Bag review Terminator Genisys.
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The "talk to the hand" stuff is pretty funny.
Most of the crap people hate on this movie for pretty much is over in the first few minutes as well.
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The gas station attendant at the end of The Terminator was kind of a dick. He spoke pretty good English, but just stood there while Sarah tried to communicate to him with a translator book.
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I think T3 is alright. It's not as bad as some people say, but I would still put it under T1, T2 and Genisys.
What bothers me the most about T3 is the B-movie feel it has. It's a combination of the cinematography and casting Nick Stahl/Claire Danes (at least to me, two completely unknown actors at the time the movie came out) and for some reason it just felt like a straight to video release. Compared to T1 or T2, it feels much cheaper. Still, Arnie is in it, it has some cool stuff and the ending was pretty dark and a ballsy move. Much better than Salvation, the low point of the franchise, but still only alright as a whole.
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Just saw the new one. I really liked it, even though probably as a guilty pleasure. T1 and T2 are two of my favorite movies of all time so T5 is kind of a cool addition to the series with what it does.
And the part where Bad boyz was playing and arnold smiles during the mug shot :rollin
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Really enjoyed Genisys, but the only glitch is how THIS Sarah knows how things with the T1 Sarah end up with Kyle Reese. Otherwise, really good.
As for T3, all you need to know is that there are some great action scenes, and it ends with Judgment Day. Other than that, not much to add to the franchise. Stahl was terrible IMO.
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Really enjoyed Genisys, but the only glitch is how THIS Sarah knows how things with the T1 Sarah end up with Kyle Reese. Otherwise, really good.
I don't think there's a problem. This Terminator was sent back from a future timeline where T1 had happened (as it was in T2 as well), and whoever sent it back programmed it to give Sarah Connor all information. John Connor and Sarah Connor both had this information, as could potentially the machines.
As the movie intentionally leaves it open who actually sent this Terminator back to help Sarah Connor in this movie, it seems to be an important question that they'll answer in a potential sequel.
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Genesys was entertaining. That's the best way I can describe it. I liked it better than T3 and I'd say it's on par with Salvation. I don't hate Salvation like most people do. If I were to rate the movies, they'd be like this:
T1 - 10/10
T2 - 10/10
T3 - 4/10
T4 - 7/10
T5 - 7/10
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What the hey, I'll join in.
T1 - 9/10
T2 - 10/10
T3 - 7/10
T4 - 5/10
T5 - 8/10
Something like that.
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Really enjoyed Genisys, but the only glitch is how THIS Sarah knows how things with the T1 Sarah end up with Kyle Reese. Otherwise, really good.
I don't think there's a problem. This Terminator was sent back from a future timeline where T1 had happened (as it was in T2 as well), and whoever sent it back programmed it to give Sarah Connor all information. John Connor and Sarah Connor both had this information, as could potentially the machines.
As the movie intentionally leaves it open who actually sent this Terminator back to help Sarah Connor in this movie, it seems to be an important question that they'll answer in a potential sequel.
I suppose. But in the 2029 where all the Terminator's are sent back, that seems like a lot of unnecessary details to 'program' into a Terminator. The only way Genisys works is that T1 is the only movie still intact. The T-800 and T-1000 that were originally sent to T2, now actually get sent to 1973 instead, creating that new timeline. How/why would John program those details of Sarah's original encounter with Kyle into that T-800, I'm not buying into.
I'm with Blob... though (like Zook) I like Salvation... I put it on par with Rise.
T1 - 9/10
T2 - 10/10
T3 - 7/10
T4 - 7/10
T5 - 8/10
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Really enjoyed Genisys, but the only glitch is how THIS Sarah knows how things with the T1 Sarah end up with Kyle Reese. Otherwise, really good.
I don't think there's a problem. This Terminator was sent back from a future timeline where T1 had happened (as it was in T2 as well), and whoever sent it back programmed it to give Sarah Connor all information. John Connor and Sarah Connor both had this information, as could potentially the machines.
As the movie intentionally leaves it open who actually sent this Terminator back to help Sarah Connor in this movie, it seems to be an important question that they'll answer in a potential sequel.
I suppose. But in the 2029 where all the Terminator's are sent back, that seems like a lot of unnecessary details to 'program' into a Terminator. The only way Genisys works is that T1 is the only movie still intact. The T-800 and T-1000 that were originally sent to T2, now actually get sent to 1973 instead, creating that new timeline. How/why would John program those details of Sarah's original encounter with Kyle into that T-800, I'm not buying into.
I don't see why it's that much to program into a Terminator. The Terminator in T2 had just as much information. And without knowing who sent it back, or under what circumstances, I don't think there's any reason to question it.
But you're right that this can't be the T2 timeline, because they were going to travel to 1997 to stop judgement day, which got stopped/delayed in T2. It's probably best not to scrutinize the timelines, because it's never worked too well or been explained well enough to be solid, even in T1/T2.
Also keep in mind I've only seen T4/5 once at the cinema, so I wouldn't consider those ratings to be as definite as the first three.
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I don't see why it's that much to program into a Terminator. The Terminator in T2 had just as much information. And without knowing who sent it back, or under what circumstances, I don't think there's any reason to question it.
Possibly... but the T800 from T2 had "detailed files" on what was likely public information (ie, Miles Dyson). The Sarah/Kyle interaction from T1 was known only to 1 person by 2029 - John.
I don't mean to pick it apart... I can certainly overlook it. I just thought it was the biggest 'how-did-she-know-that-shit' moment. Everything else was really well explained.
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I don't see why it's that much to program into a Terminator. The Terminator in T2 had just as much information. And without knowing who sent it back, or under what circumstances, I don't think there's any reason to question it.
Possibly... but the T800 from T2 had "detailed files" on what was likely public information (ie, Miles Dyson). The Sarah/Kyle interaction from T1 was known only to 1 person by 2029 - John.
I don't mean to pick it apart... I can certainly overlook it. I just thought it was the biggest 'how-did-she-know-that-shit' moment. Everything else was really well explained.
How much is there really to know though? Kyle Reese is John Connor's father. I think it's safe to say that any good Terminator was sent back by someone at least very close to John Connor, if not John Connor himself.
And the origin of this Terminator was intentionally left open, so I didn't find anything implausible there yet. Let's leave that criticism for the next movie! If they get that far, which I doubt. :-\
As I said in my initial review, my biggest gripe was actually the idea of them building a time machine for the sake of travelling not that far forward in time to a time so close to judgement day. They'd have been much better off just living through it.
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I don't see why it's that much to program into a Terminator. The Terminator in T2 had just as much information. And without knowing who sent it back, or under what circumstances, I don't think there's any reason to question it.
Possibly... but the T800 from T2 had "detailed files" on what was likely public information (ie, Miles Dyson). The Sarah/Kyle interaction from T1 was known only to 1 person by 2029 - John.
I don't mean to pick it apart... I can certainly overlook it. I just thought it was the biggest 'how-did-she-know-that-shit' moment. Everything else was really well explained.
How much is there really to know though? Kyle Reese is John Connor's father. I think it's safe to say that any good Terminator was sent back by someone at least very close to John Connor, if not John Connor himself.
And the origin of this Terminator was intentionally left open, so I didn't find anything implausible there yet. Let's leave that criticism for the next movie! If they get that far, which I doubt. :-\
Considering the Godzilla '98 stinger at the end, and Sarah being much younger in the future and with an altered timeline, I'm betting she sends back the terminator to protect herself.
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This is why I loved the idea of Salvation. That it would move past all this stuff. The chronology of the first three are simple enough and they end with the actual judgement day happening. What I would have loved is what they originally planned: The next trilogy of movies dealing with the actual war on the machines. Salvation was unfortunately not a success (although I like it), which is a damn shame because now with Genisys, they moved away from the logical step in the franchise. This 'reboot the timeline thing' just makes me roll my eyes. I haven't seen the new one yet, and maybe it's good, but I just wish they had been able to do what they originally planned.
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Personally I don't think the future war is all that great a story in itself, and I don't think Salvation lived up to the potential of what was shown and described in the first two movies either.
I like the overall direction of Genisys, even if there were choices I didn't agree with such forcing it into (basically) the present day. I like the concept of the timeline in this constant state of flux as the war is fought on multiple fronts in time more than the idea of a future man vs machine story.
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Fundamentally, I liked what T3 accomplished in that, despite the 'delay' in Judgment Day that T2 created, Judgment Day still actually did happen. I like the idea that Sarah sends the T800 back, but again... everything is predicated on the fact that there are machines, so Judgment Day has to happen at some point - in some timeline. How does the T5 "Sarah" send a Terminator back if Judgment day doesn't happen?
Timelines: messing with your head since 1984.
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Fundamentally, I liked what T3 accomplished in that, despite the 'delay' in Judgment Day that T2 created, Judgment Day still actually did happen. I like the idea that Sarah sends the T800 back, but again... everything is predicated on the fact that there are machines, so Judgment Day has to happen at some point - in some timeline. How does the T5 "Sarah" send a Terminator back if Judgment day doesn't happen?
Timelines: messing with your head since 1984.
Which is before I was born, WHICH MESSES WITH MY HEAD EVEN MORE!
I think every timeline assumes that Judgement Day happens at some point, just not necessarily at the same time in history, as if it's inevitable that machines become sentient and decide that humanity must go (which I'm cool with). I don't think there's any timeline yet where Judgement Day definitely doesn't happen at all.
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My Judgement is that this thread is f^%&*$# confusing ;D I'm going to see it on Saturday most likely -not sure whether I am better to just go or confuse myself watching the others first.
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Watch the first two, then watch Genisys. Past that you're on your own.
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Watch the first two, then watch Genisys. Past that you're on your own.
Agreed... 1 & 2 are mandatory; 4 is optional; 3 is redundant.
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The time travel stuff in these movies was always screwy. There are paradoxes, and then there are Terminator paradoxes. The whole plot wouldn't be possible to begin with (John sending his own father back in time to father him), but if we ignore that, yes, stopping judgement day entirely wouldn't work as there are machines in the past helping to stop it. Why the characters never think of this is beyond me, but judgement day must happen in order for there to be any chance to stop it, but it is absolutely impossible to prevent it entirely.
Jeremy Irons' character from The Time Machine explains it perfectly:
"You built your time machine because of Emma's death. If she had lived, it would never have existed. So how could you use your machine to go back in time and save her? You are the inescapable result of your tragedy, just as I am the inescapable result of you. You have your answer. Now go."
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The time travel stuff in these movies was always screwy. There are paradoxes, and then there are Terminator paradoxes. The whole plot wouldn't be possible to begin with (John sending his own father back in time to father him), but if we ignore that, yes, stopping judgement day entirely wouldn't work as there are machines in the past helping to stop it. Why the characters never think of this is beyond me, but judgement day must happen in order for there to be any chance to stop it, but it is absolutely impossible to prevent it entirely.
The only way it's possible is if at some point Kyle Reese was not John Connor's father, so it's a different John Connor altogether.
The timeline is messed up no matter how you look at it, but I generally don't look at it using a single timeline where you have causality paradoxes such as the ones you've described. I think of it as branching off to a new timeline where there isn't an issue there, different to say BTTF where Marty started to fade out because he'd stopped his parents from getting together.
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Well, that's not really how time travel would work (theoretically of course), so there is no problem in stopping Judgement Day with a machine from the future to help.
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You're assuming that time is linear, that there is only one timeline, and changes to the past affect the current future of that past (ala BTTF as Blob points out). Time could be like the ST:TNG episode "Parallels" where Worf opens up space to the infinite number of possible timelines.
I tend to go with the latter. If not, that would suggest time travel is either impossible, or has never been created/never will be created.
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Yeah, traveling back in time would most likely be more like resetting everything, no paradoxes like this would really be in play. But that's how movies work, which I'm fine with.
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T1 - 10/10
T2 - 10/10
T3 - 0/10
T4 - 7/10
T5 - 8.5/10
I don't really have anything against salvation honestly, I'm just kind of indifferent toward it. Just doesn't really feel like a terminator movie. More phased plasmsa riffles please, gotta have me some purple lazors.
And T5 will never rank up there with god level movies like T1 and T2, but I think its a lot of fun and tries to do right by the first two. So its A OK in my book.
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I've not seen one good critic's review of Genisys - but a lot of fans seem to like it - so i might go and see it this week :)
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I've not seen one good critic's review of Genisys - but a lot of fans seem to like it - so i might go and see it this week :)
Take in to account that Face/Off has a rotten tomato rating of 91%. I don't think we should listen to professional film critics anymore.
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I've not seen one good critic's review of Genisys - but a lot of fans seem to like it - so i might go and see it this week :)
It's not perfect, and there are plenty of little things I'd change, but all in all, I think this is a movie that is made for Terminator fans. I guess if you're not a big scifi / Terminator fan, it's not going to have much appeal, but I think it's a lot better than the reviews are giving it credit for.
Luckily I don't care about reviews, because that's just some other dude's opinion. There are plenty of universally praised movies that I think are awful, and lots of panned movies that I enjoyed the hell out of.
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Ok I saw it tonight and yeah I actually really enjoyed it.
Really good CGI and action scenes where you can see what's going on.
Arnie is great in it as ever.
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Ok I saw it tonight and yeah I actually really enjoyed it.
Really good CGI and action scenes where you can see what's going on.
Arnie is great in it as ever.
I was expecting you were going to pick it to pieces (you know, like me with new Star Trek :lol ). Glad you enjoyed it! It seems as if fans are liking this a lot more than the reviewers.
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Nah. I'm not the kind of modern cinema goer who watches a film like :angry: Well. let's see what you did WRONG, movie !!!!
I want to be entertained primarily. And it was a lot better than I was expecting. I liked the tone of it. The opening scene in the future with Connor and Reece entering Skynet was great.
Arnie was awesome too. He's not the greatest actor in the world but he's extremely likeable and is perfect in this role.
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I've always said that a robot is the part he was born to play. :lol He got to be a little bit more human in this one though.
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I wouldn't mind seeing his film Maggie - to see if he can really do serious acting.
In things like True Lies and Total Recall - he's perfectly fine. He's not a *dreadful* actor.
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Terminator is great and everything, but another Arnold film will always have my heart:
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I really love Twins....
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I really love True Lies
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Ok I saw it tonight and yeah I actually really enjoyed it.
Really good CGI and action scenes where you can see what's going on.
Arnie is great in it as ever.
Awesome.
Now that I've thought about it more, you know how he says "old, not obsolete" a number of times, I actually *felt* it... like he was really kinda melancholy about "growing old" even though he's a machine or something.
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I loved that scene where he and Kyle are loading bullets into clips and he bangs his malfunctioning hand and actually looks sad about it.
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Just back from seeing the new Terminator..............aside from the obvious timeline quirks I thought it was well done overall. I don't find Jai Courtney the most convincing of actors but he was okay . There was a time when a certain bad dude who is basically indestructible was knocked down and didn't bother to re-enter the fray for about 10 mins (maybe I missed something) but on the whole it all stood up pretty well. The CGI was mostly very well done , Arnie was really good - as were most of the cast.
Like most I think it might be around 3rd best of the franchise so far.
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Just back from seeing the new Terminator..............aside from the obvious timeline quirks I thought it was well done overall. I don't find Jai Courtney the most convincing of actors but he was okay . There was a time when a certain bad dude who is basically indestructible was knocked down and didn't bother to re-enter the fray for about 10 mins (maybe I missed something) but on the whole it all stood up pretty well. The CGI was mostly very well done , Arnie was really good - as were most of the cast.
Like most I think it might be around 3rd best of the franchise so far.
I'd put it third without contest (I have no delusion of any Terminator movie topping T1/T2 at this point, so third ain't bad).
Jai Courtney was one of my biggest casting concerns from the start, but he was fine. I was not sold on the guy who played John Connor though. Nothing against him as an actor, but I didn't think he fit the part.
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I think I'll wait for the blu-ray after reading everyones review. Question though, about the trailer/spoiler issue. I understand why you would purposely avoid some of the huge movie trailers, where they spew out like 3-4 of them. But if you're a movie goer you probably won't be able to avoid the main ones shown at the theaters. I think it should be solely on the movie makers to make them as "Spoil Free" as possible. The worst spoiler I ever did was Revenge of the Sith. I inadvertently read a blog that has the whole script outline in it months before the movie came out. I honestly thought it was a fan guestimation blog. :lol In the grand scheme of things it didn't ruin the movie at all for me.
As far as the Terminator franchise ..... I like 1, Love 2, enjoyed 3, and 4 I can barely remember. Am looking forward to the blu-ray for 5!
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Yes, spoilers are getting more and more difficult to avoid, but man, let me tell you, if you *can* avoid them as much as possible you will be floored when you're actually seeing it.
I've seen the last few big movies with minimal knowledge (ie. just looking at the official trailers, avoiding TV commercials and Internets as much as possible), which means I've been actively avoiding spoilers for like a year.
I AM LOVING IT
I've even gotten to the point of "unfollowing" friends that have a tendency to spoil things, even by accident.
Sure, there are many that want to know everything, and that's fine, but try your best to avoid stuff, I can confidently guarantee that you'll enjoy yourself more, even if you end up NOT liking it and losing $20, the risk vs reward is totally worth it.
Next up: Fantastic Four, then Hunger Games, then *drool* STAR WARS!!!!!!!
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I have quite recently started to actively avoid spoilers. I don't even watch trailers or look at casting news or official photoes. Nothing. It has yet to pay off since I started so recently, but I'm hoping it'll be great once all the new movies come out. But even though I have been so careful, there was just no way to avoid Terminator Genisys spoilers. Even websites who thought they were being clever were just plainly posting spoilers by having an vague but still obvious article title combined with a picture that just spoils everything. I would be more angry, but this is the only movie it has happened to so far on this scale, and I don't really care about this one that much. Still annoying though.
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Ok I saw it tonight and yeah I actually really enjoyed it.
Really good CGI and action scenes where you can see what's going on.
Arnie is great in it as ever.
This. All of this.
Yes, spoilers are getting more and more difficult to avoid, but man, let me tell you, if you *can* avoid them as much as possible you will be floored when you're actually seeing it.
You know, I somehow managed to avoid the spoiler, but I still wasn't floored by the reveal. There was so much tension and weirdness about John being there, and the suspicion that he wasn't John, but was a T1000 or something immitating John. That tension and suspicion did not go away. So when it was revealed that he actually IS a machine, but was also John, wasn't a big stretch. Not that it wasn't cool. But it wasn't as shocking to me as I think it was supposed to be.
Anyhow, good movie.
As far as the Terminator universe in general, I cannot speak highly enough of The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Next to T1 and T2, it is better than anything in the entire franchise. SO mad it got canceled after season 2, but there is still really a lot to enjoy about it. I love how season 2 seems to have all of these random plotlines that really don't seem to have anything to do with one another, and then in the finally, they all suddenly come together (including long-forgotten ones), and you find out that nothing was quite as it appeared leading up to that point. Brilliantly done.
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I really liked Jason Clarke. I thought he bought a cool weirdness to the role of John Connor.
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Agree with Bosk about the Sarah Connor Chronicles. That was a great show. I have a vague recollection of it. Might have to go see if it's on Netflix or somewhere online.
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I watched Genysis for the second time last night. I don't need to ever watch it again.
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I like the whole intro. It was good. Once they started going back to 1984 it was bad.
But i'll always like Arnie.
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I did like the 1984 stuff. It was cool seeing those scenes recreated, but aside from Arnold, it was a complete miscast. Jai Courtney is a charisma vacuum, and Emillia Clarke is not a convincing Sarah Connor. I couldn't help but compare Michael Beihn's performance to Courtney's, but the latter lacked conviction, emotion, passion. Everything Beihn had. You believed and cared for Beihn's Reese. Jai's was a whiney brat who treated the machines like pesky flies, and not killer robots, while spouting one liners.
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I did like the 1984 stuff. It was cool seeing those scenes recreated, but aside from Arnold, it was a complete miscast. Jai Courtney is a charisma vacuum.
Oh totally. He was a big flatline in Die Hard 5 too.
The guy who played Kevin Flynn's son in Tron 2 is a much better actor.
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Die Hard 5... what a steaming pile.
I actually thought he was pretty good in the Divergent movies. Maybe he's just better at playing bad guys.
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When My bro and I lived close to each other in England - we would regularly go and see movies in a cheap cinema that we knew would be terrible just for the fun of it like MST3K
We saw Total Recall 2012 which was terrible.
Die Hard 5 which was awful
and Robocop 2014 - which we both actually really enjoyed.
Also we went to see Man of Steel - which I hated and he loved. :)
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I wanted to like genysis, but courtney destroyed everything. Growing up I always admired Reese as someone who was cool, strong and somewhat damaged. What a fascinating character. Courtney had NONE of that. There aint no emotional scars or heartache in that air head. I can not even watch genysis anymore because of him.
At the end of the day, T1 and T2 are life changing experiences. Everything else after that, I try my best to ignore.
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The original Kyle Reese would never be bickering with Sarah Connor or arguing with the Terminator.
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Yeah they really miscast several actors in Genysis. I like Emilia Clarke and she did look like Linda Hamilton in a few scenes, but it didn't fit. But even worse was Jai Courtney. Wish they got someone closer to Michael Biehn, body-wise. He looked like the opposite of Arnold, this thin guy who didn't look military at all, but Jai Courtney was too much "buff military dude".
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I actually liked Emilia Clarke as Sarah Connor, especially as her character was different due to the timeline, but I strongly agree there was serious miscasting for the other roles. Jai Courtney didn't have the personality or look for that role, and John Connor was an awful choice. That was perhaps my biggest gripe with the movie, but I otherwise still really like it.
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For anyone else who is assburgers about Terminator, here goes JC and tim miller (director of deadpool) talking about the new terminator that is being made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-O7CVnqA0
Arnnie is back as well as linda hamilton. rise of the machines, salvation and genysys are being erased from cannon and Terminator 3 shall pick up 30 years after T2
I can't wait to see what they come up with
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For anyone else who is assburgers about Terminator, here goes JC and tim miller (director of deadpool) talking about the new terminator that is being made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-O7CVnqA0
Arnnie is back as well as linda hamilton. rise of the machines, salvation and genysys are being erased from cannon and Terminator 3 shall pick up 30 years after T2
I can't wait to see what they come up with
I can't read your post without having South Park flashing through my mind :lol
Really cool video, by the way. I'm glad to see Linda coming back.
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First set photos of Linda Hamilton back as sarah conner for the next terminator
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There's a good chance this next one will suck, but I am holding out hope.
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Along with the Jurassic Park franchise, the Terminator series should probably die.
If people say that this new one is freakin' amazing, then I'll check it out. But before release my excitement for this movie will be precisely dick.
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The problem is, with T2, you had a story franchise that had real meat to it. It wasn't just action. It was action with a REALLY cool story. The following films were decent. But once you start playing around with alternate timelines, it feels like it just waters down the stakes in everything that you do afterward. So everything else just feels lacking in any real substance. The Sara Connor Chronicles series had that same problem. But they overcame it by having real character-driven stories. It's really a shame that series died. That plot twist at the end of S2 really had them set up to go some interesting places.
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T1 and T2 were both masterpieces but T2 started something that became the "thing". I think the T-1000 is a cool Terminator and a logical step above the original, but then with every movie it was like the main thing of the film was to have a new cool enemy terminator and all of them felt inferior to the one that came before...
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I would have been happy if it all ended after T2. But of course they had to keep screwing with it and never came close to reaching the quality of T1 and T2 unfortunately. At this point, I am just observing the continuing train wreck just for the hell of it honestly.
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I would have been happy if it all ended after T2. But of course they had to keep screwing with it and never came close to reaching the quality of T1 and T2 unfortunately. At this point, I am just observing the continuing train wreck just for the hell of it honestly.
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