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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on March 22, 2015, 06:10:50 AM
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I thought this was a good idea for a thread. Every 3-5 days, give or take, I will feature an 80s album that is a classic and we can discuss it.
If anyone has ideas for albums I could feature, feel free to PM them. I already have a bunch in line. Some are rock, some are pop, some are metal, and some are something else. This will not be limited to just one or two genres. But I don't know want this to be a free-for-all where people start randomly posting albums on their own in here, but if you PM me good ones, I will bump them way up to near the head of the line. :)
Albums featured so far:
Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1938838#msg1938838
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the U.S.A. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1939838#msg1939838
Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard of Ozz https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1940788#msg1940788
George Michael - Faith https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1941811#msg1941811
Journey - Escape https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1942588#msg1942588
Motley Crue - Dr. Feelgood https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1943814#msg1943814
Beastie Boys - Licensed to Ill https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1944449#msg1944449
Prince and the Revolution - Purple Rain https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1945186#msg1945186
Van Halen - 1984 https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1947117#msg1947117
Peter Gabriel - So https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1947533#msg1947533
Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1948436#msg1948436
Billy Squier - Don't Say No https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1949211#msg1949211
Tears for Fears - Songs from the Big Chair https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1949767#msg1949767
Loverboy - Get Lucky https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1950893#msg1950893
Michael Jackson - Thriller https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1951782#msg1951782
The Clash - London Calling https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1952297#msg1952297
Huey Lewis & the News - Sports https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1953063#msg1953063
Madonna - Like a Prayer https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1953799#msg1953799
AC/DC - Back in Black https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1954136#msg1954136
Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1954623#msg1954623
Judas Priest - Screaming for Vengeance https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1955305#msg1955305
Run-D.M.C. - Raising Hell https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1956115#msg1956115
The Cars - Heartbeat City https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1957021#msg1957021
Triumph - Allied Forces https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1957806#msg1957806
Rush - Moving Pictures https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1959042#msg1959042
Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble - Texas Flood https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1959725#msg1959725
Def Leppard - Hysteria https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1960011#msg1960011
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1960922#msg1960922
Tom Petty - Full Moon Fever https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1961663#msg1961663
Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1962255#msg1962255
Queen - The Game https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1963093#msg1963093
Sammy Hagar - Standing Hampton https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1964368#msg1964368
INXS - Kick https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1964994#msg1964994
Whitesnake - Whitesnake https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1965404#msg1965404
Bryan Adams - Reckless https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1966198#msg1966198
Talking Heads - Remain in Light https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1966805#msg1966805
ZZ Top - Eliminator https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1968138#msg1968138
Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1969346#msg1969346
Dirty Dancing soundtrack https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1969880#msg1969880
Top Gun soundtrack https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1970980#msg1970980
Pink Floyd - The Wall https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1971548#msg1971548
Tom Waits - Rain Dogs https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1972538#msg1972538
Asia - Asia https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1973057#msg1973057
The Outfield - Play Deep https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1974226#msg1974226
Robert Plant - Now and Zen https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1975335#msg1975335
Billy Idol - Rebel Yell https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1976047#msg1976047
Metallica - Master of Puppets https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1976409#msg1976409
Yes - 90125 https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1977474#msg1977474
Foreigner - 4 https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1978225#msg1978225
Ratt - Out of the Cellar https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1978409#msg1978409
Depeche Mode - Violator https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1978898#msg1978898
The Police - Synchronicity https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1979522#msg1979522
Phil Collins - No Jacket Required https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1980540#msg1980540
Scorpions - Love at First Sting https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1981140#msg1981140
Night Ranger - Midnight Madness https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1982665#msg1982665
Genesis - Duke https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1983356#msg1983356
Pet Shop Boys - Actually https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1984734#msg1984734
Paul Simon - Graceland https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1985418#msg1985418
Fleetwood Mac - Tango in the Night https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1986262#msg1986262
R.E.M. - Document https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1986789#msg1986789
Duran Duran - Rio https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1987830#msg1987830
John Mellencamp - Scarecrow https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1988685#msg1988685
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1989477#msg1989477
Steve Winwood - Back in the High Life https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1990038#msg1990038
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1990475#msg1990475
The Pretenders - Pretenders https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1991373#msg1991373
U2 - The Joshua Tree https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1992336#msg1992336
Hall & Oates - Private Eyes https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1992820#msg1992820
Aerosmith - Pump https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1993973#msg1993973
Slayer - Reign in Blood https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=43450.msg1994995#msg1994995
We will begin with...
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For a spell in late '86/early '87, this was my favorite album, which I owned on cassette. Prior to this, there weren't many albums that I frequently listened to all of, but I always played both Sides 1 and 2 of this one. "Livin' on a Prayer" was the monster hit, of course, and "You Give Love a Bad Name" and "Wanted Dead or Alive" were hugely popular, as well. I was quite keen on "Let It Rock," as I though that slightly-proggy intro was cool. I'm still surprised that "Never Say Goodbye" was given the singles treatment with a video and everything, considering the times we were in, that would have been a monster hit. But regardless, Slippery When Wet was hugely popular and remains a good record today.
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SWW made my Top 50 so I suppose that says it all - the 2nd last Bon Jovi album I give a shit about :D
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Solid album overall, and the first 4 tracks are absolute killer.
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I never got past the compilation with Bon Jovi, meant to because I do like the compilation disc but haven't gotten around to it yet. But I see some familiar songs on this album, so I'll give it a listen on Spotify tomorrow.
Following.
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What a monster of an album. Though I personally prefer New Jersey, I've always felt that the hair metal explosion and chart topping albums in the mid to late 80's by rock bands was made possible by Slippery When Wet.
And really, it seemed to come out of nowhere. I don't remember a lot of hubbub about 7800, other than their opening slot on Ratt's tour.
SWW was released and BAM!
Saw this tour 2 or 3 times.
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Every song was radio ready on this album when radio mattered. This blew them up!
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I respect the impact this album had for sure.
I don't like Bon Jovi, but I can tolerate/don't mind the songs off this one and NJ. After that, no thanks!
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Huge album, and deserving of its accolades.
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Want proof that music fans were ready to lap up any and everything Bon Jovi did following Slippery When Wet? Bad Medicine went to number 1. I'm sure there'll be defenders of it, but that song sucks.
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Want proof that music fans were ready to lap up any and everything Bon Jovi did following Slippery When Wet? Bad Medicine went to number 1. I'm sure there'll be defenders of it, but that song sucks.
Finally someone who agrees with me on Bad Medicine. Makes me cringe and I always thought it was a terrible choice as first single. The vast majority of people I know disagree with me though :lol
I do love New Jersey though as a whole.
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It didn't help that the video featured Sam Kinison screaming his head off at the beginning, and that guy always got on my nerves, so it never really had a chance with me. :lol :lol
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Sam Kinison is very annoying
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Bad Medicine was awesome. Shut your whore mouthes!
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Aqua whore mouths Blob.
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Huge album, and deserving of its accolades.
This. Jeez, this album just stayed on the charts, it kept selling and selling and selling. Everyone had this back in the day.
Also, "Raise Your Hands" was in Spaceballs, so :tup
Personally, I preferred New Jersey, but there is nothing wrong with this one at all.
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I've said this before in the old MTV thread, but if you were a guy in your twenties and you wanted a good foot in the door with a lady in 1986, you owned this album. :lol
Thankfully it was a pretty immaculate slab of arena rock anthems, so there were worse things to pop in the car's cassette player than this.
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I preferred F1800. But this is a great "butt rock" album.
They need to re-release it with the original cover, it may have been controversial back then, but now that the album has long since been established, they need to give to original cover the respect it deserves.
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What a monster of an album. Though I personally prefer New Jersey, I've always felt that the hair metal explosion and chart topping albums in the mid to late 80's by rock bands was made possible by Slippery When Wet.
And really, it seemed to come out of nowhere. I don't remember a lot of hubbub about 7800, other than their opening slot on Ratt's tour.
SWW was released and BAM!
Saw this tour 2 or 3 times.
Also prefer New Jersey but there is no denying the quality of this album. This and Europe's Final Countdown opened the doors for all that followed.
I first heard of Bon Jovi with the Runaway singkle and liked the first album alot. 7800 had its moments but fell short. I saw them at Donington's Monsters Of \rock festival on the 7800 tour and they were excellent.
I had tickets for the Slippery tour but they were late for the gig and we had a train to catch back so we sold them and made a tidy profit due to all the hype at that time.
Anyway, great album, though Jon never could sing the modulation in Livin' On A Prayer.
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I first heard of Bon Jovi with the Runaway singkle and liked the first album alot.
I knew the single and thought it wasn't bad. But then I saw them open for Scorpions on that tour and they were so good live I bought the album the next day. I'll never forget the wicked live version of Get Ready.
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I first heard of Bon Jovi with the Runaway singkle and liked the first album alot.
I knew the single and thought it wasn't bad. But then I saw them open for Scorpions on that tour and they were so good live I bought the album the next day. I'll never forget the wicked live version of Get Ready.
I had the first BJ album for a few weeks before that show and they did not disappoint opening for the Scropions.
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Not much to say that hasn't already been said. I had been following since the first album, but this one took it up a notch in every way.
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Bon Jovi is my all-time favourite band.
Jon is an all-time-great front man and a wonderful humanitarian. One of the hardest working and talented musicians in history. His lyrics are very poetic. He (and the band) appreciate their fans first and foremost and do everything they can in every performance to show them just how much whereas too many current bands are up there acting like they're doing the fans a favour by even showing up and couldn't look less interested.
Richie was (sadly) an amazing guitar player and the reason I started playing when I was 14. For a long time he's made an ass out of himself every time he speaks and it's so difficult for me to watch him live on Youtube cuz he's a mess. When I watch anything from Keep the Faith or earlier my jaw drops but since then he's gotten worse and worse.
To be able to survive through grunge and be creating great rock music to this day while selling-out arenas and stadiums around the world with almost no love from anything resembling mainstream music is a great testament to their musicianship and values.
They put the current "big acts" to shame by playing a minimum of two hours every show with the average being around 2.5 hours while the "big acts" barely crack 90 minutes.
It makes me sad to see they're still thought of as somewhat of a joke to Joe Average.
80s Bon Jovi Trivia:
- They made five videos for Slippery but only ever aired three. Never Say Goodbye and Wild in the Streets are the other two (can be found on the Slippery When Wet: The Videos).
- They made three complete videos for "I'll Be There For You" but the other two have never seen the light of day (Jon mentioned in an interview on "New Jersey: The Videos").
- New Jersey was supposed to be a double album (get the just-released anniversary re-issue, it's awesome, but still doesn't have a bunch of great songs on it, you gotta be hardcore like me to have those).
- Recording Slippery in Vancouver put my city on the worldwide musician map (then came Motley and Aerosmith and Metallica and...).
- Aerosmith begged Bon Jovi to let them have "Social Disease" for "Permanent Vacation".
- The original title for "New Jersey" was "Sons of Beaches" (that lyric can be heard in "99 in the Shade".
- The current bass player, Hugh McDonald, actually played bass on the debut album.
- Richie's double-neck guitars always have the 12-string on the bottom, reverse of the typical setup.
- David Bryan's real name is "David Raushbaum".
- "Livin' on a Prayer" almost didn't make it onto Slippery, Jon didn't think it was very good.
- "You Give Love a Bad Name" almost went to the band Loverboy.
- Bon Jovi are credited with "inventing" the unplugged-style performances due to the 1989 MTV Awards performance.
*These are all off the top of my head, I'm sure I have more, but I don't want to overstay my welcome.
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Wow you sure are a fan
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While admittedly not a big fan of The Boss, this is a good album. I get why it was so popular. I never much cared for the title track or "Cover Me," but always liked "Dancing in the Dark" and "Glory Days" a lot; "I'm On Fire" is a nice song, as well. I never heard the non-hits from it until a few years ago, and most of them did not really grab me, except for "No Surrender," which is one of the rare Springsteen songs I will seek out on its own. I remember hearing that Springsteen was opposed to doing videos, as he thought they were a waste of time, but was talked into, and changed his tune once he saw what a difference they made in his career, since this album wouldn't have blown up like it did without MTV playing the videos from this non-stop.
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Wow you sure are a fan
He gives other fans a bad name!
- The current bass player, Hugh McDonald, actually played bass on the debut album.
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Wow, that's interesting!
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Rumor has it, Hugh played on all the albums.
Kev, this is one album I just can't get into. I just never could get into Bruce. The man has such passion in his music but it's just not my cup of tea.
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Rumor has it, Hugh played on all the albums.
Is that true?
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Not sure but I've read that. Sort of what Cinderella did to their drummer Fred Coury.
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I could never get into the boss. He's cool and all, but just never did much for me.
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I could never get into the boss. He's cool and all, but just never did much for me.
Similar ,although I never dug into his discog as deep as I should. I really just know the radio stuff. A lot of people with taste similar to mine really love him , but then same goes for Rush ;D
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- Bon Jovi are credited with "inventing" the unplugged-style performances due to the 1989 MTV Awards performance.
I remember seeing that at the time, and even my 13 year old not-really-a-Bon-Jovi-fan brain thought it was awesome.
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I could never get into the boss. He's cool and all, but just never did much for me.
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Big fan of the Boss, but that album never hit the spot for me. I much prefer his 70s stuff.
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There's no doubt that Bruce sings with a lot of passion, I just don't care for his style at all. Nice guy.
He and Joe Cocker are two guys that I classify as "guys who made a singing career out of not being able to sing"
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Bruce Springsteen is awesome.
This album was my introduction to him, so it woull always hold a special place in my heart. I have since come to prefer his older stuff to this album, but it is just so damn well-made, from a total perspective (writing, performing, production) that it is an all-time classic. Legend.
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I have total respect for Bruce as an artist. I wish I liked his classic stuff more. It's just not really the kind of music that I'm into, but his 3-4 hour shows are legendary.
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Love this album actually. Glory Days is my favorite from the album
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Hmmm, not much chatter for The Boss, and I don't want this thread to fall off too early ;), so we move on...
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Ozzy's Osbourne, Blizzard of Ozz, is an undeniable classic. It does have a few songs I am not wild about, and songs like "Crazy Train" and "I Don't Know" have both reached that "I don't care if I ever hear them again" status, but they are both still great tunes. I'll never tire of "Revelation (Mother Earth)" and "Mr. Crowley," both of which are on my list of go-to Ozzy solo songs. The guitar playing of Randy Rhoads obviously stands out big time on this classic metal record.
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I overplayed this album as a young teen. Great album but I don't play it as much anymore. I always joked when that happened as the "Led Zeppelin 4 syndrome".
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I think we should have one thread per 80s band. I couldn't find the Bon Jovi one and now I see it turned into Springsteen and now Ozzy.
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I overplayed this album as a young teen. Great album but I don't play it as much anymore. I always joked when that happened as the "Led Zeppelin 4 syndrome".
:lol :lol I know what you mean!!
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I think we should have one thread per 80s band. I couldn't find the Bon Jovi one and now I see it turned into Springsteen and now Ozzy.
You sound like an old man. This coming from an old man! :lol
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Hmmm, not much chatter for The Boss, and I don't want this thread to fall off too early ;), so we move on...
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Ozzy's Osbourne, Blizzard of Ozz, is an undeniable classic. It does have a few songs I am not wild about, and songs like "Crazy Train" and "I Don't Know" have both reached that "I don't care if I ever hear them again" status, but they are both still great tunes. I'll never tire of "Revelation (Mother Earth)" and "Mr. Crowley," both of which are on my list of go-to Ozzy solo songs. The guitar playing of Randy Rhoads obviously stands out big time on this classic metal record.
One of the greatest albums ever made BUT I still think the followup is better. This one has a few clunkers like Steal Away (The Night) and No Bone Movies. I also think Crazy Train is one of the weaker songs but I do love the solo section. Every other song is FLAWLESS!!! The lyrics are great (and you can thank Bob Daisley for that.
I also think the rhythm section is the most criminally underrated in history. Daisley has finally been given his due (to an extent, he deserves much more) but Lee Kerslake is still given the shaft. That man is the most solid drummer out there, meaning that he plays only what needs to be played. That isn't to say he doesn't have some killer and complex drum patterns/fills, he's not a Dave Holland that mostly plays the most basic of rhythm, but he isn't going to showboat for no reason. His work on Diary of a Madman still blows me away.
For the record, 50% of Diary of a Madman, including the title track, was written without any input from Ozzy. Kerslake wrote the vocal melodies for that one, lyrics of course by Daisley, most of the riffs by Randy, and composed by the 3 of them.
also for the record, the first two albums were supposed to be known under the moniker Blizzard of Ozz. Technically the two albums were not solo albums. All of the shows they performed were billed as Blizzard of Ozz. The first album comes out and they think, gee, thats great....the name of our band and album title is smaller than the featured performers name which they obviously knew was going to get billing being that he was more famous than the rest of them. Then the second album comes out but Daisley and Kerslake were fired shortly before that so they had no say and didn't even get credited as performers! Randy apparently wanted to quit in response but Daisley convinced him to stay.
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Crap. I used to play Steal Away The Night in a cover band. I like that song!
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Legendary album - effectively made the top 10 in my Top 50 but I listed Randy Rhoads Tribute instead as I think the songs had even more impact in a live environment.
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Goodbye to Romance is flawless? That song is terrible.
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Goodbye to Romance is flawless! That song isn't terrible.
FTFY
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Worst. Ballad. Ever.
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Count me in as feeling this is a classic preamble to a flawless masterpiece which came next.
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This is a great release, but Diary takes it to another level
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For the record, 50% of Diary of a Madman, including the title track, was written without any input from Ozzy. Kerslake wrote the vocal melodies for that one, lyrics of course by Daisley, most of the riffs by Randy, and composed by the 3 of them.
I've suspected that has been true ever since. No I take that back.... I would actually be surprised if Ozzy had any more than a suggestive part in his own material since Randy died.
My glorified version of an Ozzy Osbourne album "writing" session...
Ozzy: "I want to write a song about death!"
Team of advisors sitting next to a convenient *mountain* of submitted ghost written "songs about death": Ozzy!! You're a GENIUS!!! What key do you want it in?
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While I'd give the slight edge to Diary, both Rhoads albums are classics. I wouldn't say there's a single bad song on the album, although for a while I didn't like Suicide Solution so much. Even the B-side "You Looking at Me, Looking at You" is pretty damn good.
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Crap. I used to play Steal Away The Night in a cover band. I like that song!
One of his best songs ever IMHO.
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I'm the casual fan that likes Crazy Train.
Most of the rest of Ozzy's music does nothing for me. But I love the album No More Tears, probably because of Wylde's playing.
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This is a great release, but Diary takes it to another level
I have always felt this way too, but as the years have passed, I feel like Blizzard is right there with it.
MY Blizzard story, as told in my The TAC Top 50 is this:
"I first became aware of Ozzy when I was in the 7th grade (80/81). My father taught high school and one
of his students brought in a cassette of Blizzard Of Ozz. Did my father like heavy metal? Hell no. But being
that my last name is Crowley, one of his students thought he might get a kick out of the song. Well, he
didn't...but I DID! This tape was incredible!"
Randy had such a great future ahead of him. Such a tragedy.
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I'm with those who think Goodbye to Romance is pretty forgettable.
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I'm with those who think Goodbye to Romance is pretty forgettable.
The solo from this song on Randy Rhoads Tribute is one of my favourite moments on that album. It may not be one of the better tracks overall but somehow that solo gets me thinking of the tragedy of his death every time. :-\ And like all the tracks on Blizzard I like the live version better - and I'm not a big one for live albums generally.
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Some might ask, "This is a classic album??" But any album that had four number 1 hits and two others that made the top 5, is a classic pop album. Faith was impossible to avoid in late '87 and all of '88 if you listened to the radio and/or watched MTV. The hits from this were everywhere. It's kind of funny how "I Want Your Sex" was considered controversially in 1987, yet would be a blip on the controversial radar now. To me, two of the ballads have aged the best from this: "Father Figure" and "Kissing a Fool." Those were always my two favorites anyway, and they've stood up as really the only song of his I go back to at all. The title track is still fun and catchy, but doesn't appeal to me anymore.
I am not expecting a great deal of chatter about this album, and if I am correct, I will feature another, but I don't want this thread to be nothing but rock and metal albums. I said I was gonna feature some other genres, like pop, and this is certainly a pop classic album.
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Huge, huge album. I never owned any of his material but you could not turn a street corner or look at a TV without hearing all the hits from this album.
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George Michael for me is a bit like Fergie and Pink ..........I acknowledge the quality of their voices and wish they'd sung music in a style that I like. Apart from that....... :corn
Actually, as a kid I think I liked I Knew You Were Waiting :-[ :lol
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I love Pink's voice but Fregie overdoes it waaaaaaaayyy too much and George Michael never did that.
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I love Pink's voice but Fregie overdoes it waaaaaaaayyy too much and George Michael never did that.
King.......I couldn't tell you what the hell Fergie does in the Black Eyed Peas - or ever Fregie :lol
I was basing my thoughts on stuff like this. She almost matches it with one of the greats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWAqVQQ0Doo
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God her solo stuff live that I've seen on TV, she over sings and her stage movements make me have seizures. :lol
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I never owned the Faith album, but I was coming into prog from the pop side (yes, that is possible). Brilliant artist, and many of his songs have stood the test of time.
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many of his songs have stood the test of time.
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Nothing wrong about George Michael but when i think classic 80's pop, i think The Smiths, R.E.M, Michael Jackson, Pet shop boys, Talk Talk, New Order or The Cure, just to say a few.
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This is my memory of George Michael - Faith era:
Me: So you want to go to this Van Halen Monsters of Rock concert?
Girlfriend: No.
Me: But EVH ...
GF: No
Me: Metalli ...
GF: Oh god no.
Me: You know George Lynch is my favorite ..
GF: I said no. But if you want to go to the George Michael concert. Oh my god. His butt. His freakin' butt. He's so hot. So hot.
Girl sitting next to GF: I want to go to the Monsters of Rock concert. Sebastian Bach is so hot.
Me: Close enough.
(turn back to GF)Me: we need to talk
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Nothing wrong about George Michael but when i think classic 80's pop, i think The Smiths, R.E.M, Michael Jackson, Pet shop boys, Talk Talk, New Order or The Cure, just to say a few.
Seems more like your taste.
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Nothing wrong about George Michael but when i think classic 80's pop, i think The Smiths, R.E.M, Michael Jackson, Pet shop boys, Talk Talk, New Order or The Cure, just to say a few.
Seems more like your taste.
Yeah. If anything, George Michael was more a part of pop culture than all of them except Michael Jackson and REM. I think it was Dana Carvey that even had the whole "worship my butt" skit on SNL. If SNL did a Talk Talk or New Order skit, most the audience wouldn't even understand the reference.
BTW, I agree. Diary > Blizzard. The thread is past that, so I'll leave it at that.
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Plus, this isn't "let's debate with album is better?" class. ;)
I would hope each album would be discussed on its own merit, rather than people playing the "It's good, but I like this album better" card. :biggrin:
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When you said
...but I don't want this thread to be nothing but rock and metal albums.
i just thought there was plenty classic 80's pop albums to talk about instead of just one or two.
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Give him time man. He just started! :lol
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Not a George Michael fan in the slightest but I did think "fastlove" was a good pop tune.
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Faith was and is a fantastic album. Great songwriting, and George Michael had one of the best voices of that era. Nothing wrong here.
Favorite song is probably Father Figure.
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Rumor has it, Hugh played on all the albums.
Is that true?
I had heard that as well. Sort of what Cinderella did with their drummer Fred Coury.
- Bon Jovi are credited with "inventing" the unplugged-style performances due to the 1989 MTV Awards performance.
I remember seeing that at the time, and even my 13 year old not-really-a-Bon-Jovi-fan brain thought it was awesome.
I actually had to look that up because I was convinced that it was wrong and that Tesla were actually the originators of that. As it turns out, it is actually tough to decide which was first. Telsa did an unplugged gig on S.F. Bay Area radio station QRQR prior to the MTV music award thing. The unexpected huge response it got led them to do their short string of unplugged club gigs on nights they weren't scheduled to play on their 1990 tour. The unexpected huge response to that led someone to suggest that they record it and release it as an album, and we got Five Man Accoustical Jam. But in terms of anything that got BIG exposure, it is correct that Bon Jovi was first by a few months. So there you have it.
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Bruce: No denying how huge the album was, but I have nothing to contribute. Just never got into him.
Ozzy: This was my first Ozzy album and was the second "hard rock" album I ever owned (Van Halen I was the first). Loved it from start to finish at the time, and for a long time after. Ozzy has grown to be one of those few artists that so puts me off that I don't care to listen to the music, no matter how good it might be. But even though I no longer have a copy of this album, I still have fond memories and great respect for the material.
George Michael: Never was a fan. Nothing to contribute to the discussion.
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But as far as the Unplugged part of the set, I would put Led Zeppelin as the originators, no?
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But as far as the Unplugged part of the set, I would put Led Zeppelin as the originators, no?
I think we are talking the resurgence of the acoustic set and MTV riding that wave.
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I was never a huge fan of Journey, outside of the hits, but this album is good. The hits for one are mostly outstanding - I am not wild about "Open Arms," but "Don't Stop Believin'," "Who's Crying Now" and "Stone in Love" are all fantastic songs. It's been a while since I've spun the rest of the album; I'll try to do so this week. In the meantime, discuss Escape.
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Well this album had stuff all exposure in Australia until the resurrection of DSB for Glee. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the first Perry related track I heard on the radio was Oh Sherrie. **
My early years were spent with bands like KISS, Van Halen, Def leppard , Bon Jovi, Whitesnake, Ozzy etc.......and some softer melodic rock like Toto, Foreigner and so forth. But it wasn't until years later (late high school years) when I became better connected in the melodic rock scene that I even heard about Journey. I kept hearing that this Escape record was the bees knees and so I had to find out what the fuss was about.
Personally I prefer the harder rocking Frontiers but there's no denying that this is one of THE classic AOR/melodic rock albums. It cemented the change in direction that began earlier with Perry's arrival and remains their biggest album for good reason.
** I just checked and it makes some sense. Open Arms barely made the Aussie Top 50 , whereas Oh Sherrie went top 5.
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Well this album had stuff all exposure in Australia until the resurrection of DSB for Glee. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the first Perry related track I heard on the radio was Oh Sherrie. **
I can't recall ever hearing Journey on the radio (like MMM back in the day). Like you, it wasn't until I got into melodic rock that I discovered Journey, although much more recently than you.
Escape is a really strong album, probably my favourite by Journey (although there are others that come close).
The only song I really don't like is Dead or Alive, and Who's Crying Now is a bit dull unless I'm particularly in the mood to hear it. But it has Don't Stop Believing, Mother, Father, Open Arms, some great rocking tracks like Keep On Runnin' and Lay It Down, and my personal favourite Stone in Love with that epic as hell outro solo. It's a tie between that and Separate Ways for my favourite Journey song.
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+1 on Stone in Love. NO WAY that song ever gets the props it deserves.
Journey could pretty much do no wrong between Infinity and Frontiers. My personal favorite is still Infinity, because it still carries some mild call backs to their earlier, more progressive material that they would pretty much abandon completely with Evolution. (to draw a Genesis parallel...Infinity is kindof their "Duke") But this is probably the strongest of the 80's albums.
Stone In Love, Mother Father, Keep On Runnin, Still They Ride....just a non-stop AOR eargasm.
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Dammit Kev! You were supposed to do Erasure!
This album and Joan Jett's album was heard on the recess in the schoolyard for a year straight. Top to bottom a fantastic album that holds it's own today.
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Probably not my favourite Journey album as it has a few tracks I'm not a big fan of, but it's certainly up there and it does contain quite a few of the best songs they've ever done. :letam:
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Escape is awesome. All killer, no filler.
JD, I agree wholeheartedly about Stone In Love.
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This album crossed so many formats and that's how it blew up. Rock stations placed SIL & DSB while the pop stations played WCN & OA. Massive, massive exposure.
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I honestly think that if you could pick just ONE album that defines 80's Rock, it would be Escape.
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Remember old fart The Blue Jean Network and the concerts on TV. I think the Escape Tour was the first aired.
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I wasn't a big Journey fan back in the day but one of my mates was. He loaned me this album and I liked it.Frontiers was good too but had a bit of filler. Raised on Radio was complete crap, housewife music. The Captured live album was great though.
My favourite album of theirs is Arrival though. I'm just not that big a Steve Perry fan.
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Remember old fart The Blue Jean Network and the concerts on TV. I think the Escape Tour was the first aired.
Yup, and MTV also aired those concerts on Saturday night. I remember the Rush Exit Stage Left one. I used to sleep over at my grandmother's house on Saturdays just to watch the concerts as she lived in the city and had cable. I lived in the boonies.
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I bought Escape as a young man who had rode the bus out to a local mall with his sisters. That day, a Beatles cover band was playing some sets, each one focused on a different period of time of the band with them wearing appropriate costumes. I was at the edge of this crowd, trying to see over the crowd, when I looked down and saw someone had dropped ten dollars on the ground, a five and five ones. Nonchalantly I bent to tie my shoe and snatched up the money, and ran to the record store where I bought Escape for the massive price of $5.99. My sisters, of course, wanted some of the money, but I spent the rest at a bookstore.
Years later I kind of regretted using the money on Escape, because of their run of monster albums up to Frontiers, this was my least favorite of them :rollin
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Love me some Journey and this is a very good album. Prefer their earlier pre-Perry stuff, but that's not 80's.
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Frontiers was good too but had a bit of filler.
Drop a couple of the dogs (Back Talk for instance) and add in the two soundtrack specials that were (stupidly) left off - Ask The Lonely and Only The Young - and that's my favourite Journey album.
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Frontiers was good too but had a bit of filler.
Drop a couple of the dogs (Back Talk for instance) and add in the two soundtrack specials that were (stupidly) left off - Ask The Lonely and Only The Young - and that's my favourite Journey album.
Man I hate Back Talk. But I also don't like Only the Young. :lol
I love Ask The Lonely though. I have a more recent remaster of Frontiers which does include those two tracks luckily.
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Top to bottom a fantastic album that holds it's own today.
Agreed. This was one of the first albums I ever bought, and I played it nonstop. I would have to say that in terms of influencing my musical direction in life, this album was HUGE for me. Although this album definitely has different tiers in terms of song strength, I would not say there is a weak track on the entire album.
I love Ask The Lonely though. I have a more recent remaster of Frontiers which does include those two tracks luckily.
Yeah, I have that version too. IMO, that's how you do it when you re-release an album. Include additional content that is historically relevant, whether it be unlreleased songs, B-sides, stuff that went to soundtracks, live recordings, ...whatever. Here, we got 4 tracks from that era that really complete the package.
I get the decision that was made back then. They wanted strong tracks for the soundtracks, which ultimately was good for the band. Since we ultimately were able to get a release that included all of them, which may not have been the case if the album was already strong and the weaker tracks may have been less in-demand, we may never have seen Troubled Child see the light of day, so I am glad it worked out the way it did. I really like Troubled Child. One of the few songs I personally ever wrote, which I called Runaway, drew strongly from Troubled Child and Diary of a Madman.
I still don't even really remember how Liberty or Only Solutions go, but it is still cool to have them. :lol
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This is one of the rare albums that I owned on cassette back in the day, but never bought the CD. Once I started buying CDs, I just never thought this was that great to own. I don't really remember a lot of it either. The hits were good. The title track is a great tune still, and "Kickstart My Heart" is one of those songs that you can't help but turn up and rock out to. "Without You" was a favorite of mine back in the day, but it didn't age well for me at all. I know this is considered a glam metal/hair metal, so I am sure that are some that think much more of this now than I do.
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For some reason I tend to go for the older stuff (Shout At The Devil, Girls,Girls,Girls) if I ever feel the need to play the Crue but this is probably their most polished album. Perhaps I just got overloaded with it.....a bit like Appetite For Destruction. Great album but I never feel like playing it these days.
Aside from Slice of Your Pie I think I enjoyed every track on Dr Feelgood.
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Crue were actually considered badasses when Shout at the Devil was new and they were opening for Ozzy on the Bark at the Moon tour. That was why there was such a collective WTF when they dropped the leather and studs in favor of pink spandex and sappy ballads for Theater of Pain. Girls Girls Girls was just OK...but seriously. Crue was kinda one of those bands you went to see because your girlfriend wanted to hear Home Sweet Home.
Dr Feelgood was, to me, a pretty decent "comeback" album. Not quite as stellar as their earlier work, but still had a LOT more teeth than the previous two albums. The title track and Kickstart by themselves are among their all time heaviest songs.
I still can't figure out why the word "legend" gets tossed around with these guys. They had several "hits" and a couple really great albums...but they've never had that string of fantastic albums in a row that elevate a band to the status of "legend".
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From the opening whammy bar to the chugging guitar of Dr. Feelgood every damn song is catchy on this album. Just loved this album.
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I will always reach for SATD when I want to hear classic Crue.
This one has some good rockers and is pretty good overall. A little too slick though.
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Crue were actually considered badasses when Shout at the Devil was new and they were opening for Ozzy on the Bark at the Moon tour. That was why there was such a collective WTF when they dropped the leather and studs in favor of pink spandex and sappy ballads for Theater of Pain. Girls Girls Girls was just OK...but seriously. Crue was kinda one of those bands you went to see because your girlfriend wanted to hear Home Sweet Home.
Dr Feelgood was, to me, a pretty decent "comeback" album. Not quite as stellar as their earlier work, but still had a LOT more teeth than the previous two albums. The title track and Kickstart by themselves are among their all time heaviest songs.
I still can't figure out why the word "legend" gets tossed around with these guys. They had several "hits" and a couple really great albums...but they've never had that string of fantastic albums in a row that elevate a band to the status of "legend".
I agree with a lot of this.
I was really shocked at the writing and performance of Dr. Feelgood. Seemed like Motley Crue really progressed in both.
I think the "legend" term is thrown about as they were really the poster boys for 80's arena rock. I saw the TOP, GGG, and Dr. F tours. I went not because of any girlfriend, but because they put on an awesome show. I wasn't even really into them, but their shows were can't miss.
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I wasn't even really into them, but their shows were can't miss.
I was never a huge fan either (nothing made my Top 100 albums/artists) apart from a few tracks but , like you , I went to a couple of gigs mostly for the show.
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I wasn't even really into them, but their shows were can't miss.
I was never a huge fan either (nothing made my Top 100 albums/artists) apart from a few tracks but , like you , I went to a couple of gigs mostly for the show.
and the boatload of women
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Don't forget Tommy's tit-cam :lol
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I wasn't even really into them, but their shows were can't miss.
I was never a huge fan either (nothing made my Top 100 albums/artists) apart from a few tracks but , like you , I went to a couple of gigs mostly for the show.
and the boatload of women
At the time...I went for the women as well. I saw the GGG tour in Seattle and I thought it was boring as hell except for all the girls walking around in their underwear.
The next time I saw them was on the New Tattoo tour, and I only went because Anthrax and Megadeth opened. MC disappointed a second time. Maybe I just saw the wrong shows.
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I think the quality of MC shows varies a lot depending on which version of Vince turns up. He can be anything from horrific to pretty good.
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I never saw them live, but I always thought Motley Crue was...OK. This was a pretty good album, but most of their stuff, even if I enjoyed it at the time, hasn't aged well. That whole L.A. glam scene just seems a little immature to me now.
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For me, Motley Crue put out albums with one or two pretty good tracks and a lot of filler. This album felt no different.
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For me, Motley Crue put out albums with one or two pretty good tracks and a lot of filler. This album felt no different.
You could say that for the first 4 Crue albums but this one was full of radio hits. It was a complete album for them.
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I still can't figure out why the word "legend" gets tossed around with these guys. They had several "hits" and a couple really great albums...but they've never had that string of fantastic albums in a row that elevate a band to the status of "legend".
Guns N Roses are in the same boat for me.
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My review of this will be in short: I don't really like rap, even rap rock, and while I did like "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party!)" when it was first out and big, for me it had the shelf life of a carton of milk. "Girls" is silly catchy, so I don't mind that one too much. That's all I got. But, regardless of my dislike for the rap genre, this is a classic.
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The Lovely Mrs TAC and I were playing the 1 vs 100 iPad app recently and You Gotta Fight was an answer to the question. She had literally never heard of it, so I youtubed the video for it. Still didn't ring a bell. She's got 5 years on me, but still..
My college room mate used to torture me by playing the Beasties. I couldn't stand them!
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Hell yes. I can't think of a single Beastie track that isn't a blast to listen to.
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Like most people around in the 80s, my first exposure to the Beastie Boys was You Gotta Fight for Your Right to Party. Just awful. It sounded like all the white wannabe rappers in my school. The only hit that almost parted some cash from my wallet was Brass Monkey. But it just wasn't enough to part with a teen's hard earned pittance.
I basically wrote them off as a circus act until almost a full decade later when MTV was playing a new Beastie Boys song called Sabotage. Damn. When did these guys start producing music I actually liked?
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Their punk band roots show from time to time, especially on Sabotage.
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I discovered Paul's Boutique a few weeks ago, and was quite surprised by how energic, catchy and well-written it is. Just what I was looking for in Hip-hop.
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You guys are all nuts. This very well may be the worlds greatest "party album". The Beasties (thankfully) were always reinventing themselves, and never allowed themselves to grow stale. (wasn't Check Your Head one of the first rap albums with all acoustic instruments?) But this album is an earth shattering stamp on rock history. I can't think of a single track that EVERYONE at the party did not know ALL the words to. I can remember a time when you only had to utter one single line from Paul Revere, and suddenly a room full of guys that didn't even know one another would burst into a giant sing-along.
It's so rare that I can pick out an album and firmly state that every single song is a bonafide classic... Back In Black maybe... But this album is one of those albums.
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Paul Revere and Brass Monkey a re my favorites from this album, but the quintessential Beasties album from the 80's is Paul's Boutique.
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(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party!) is the only thing by The Beastie Boys I have a clue about - the vid was pretty iconic.
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Paul Revere and Brass Monkey a re my favorites from this album, but the quintessential Beasties album from the 80's is Paul's Boutique.
This,Paul's Boutique is one of my fav hip hop albums.
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I may not like the Beastie Boys music (though I do like certain songs from them) I do appreciate their craft and how they turned out to be in the forefront of influencing others. Every album was unique.
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This is a great, great, great album. Love it.
But Paul's Boutique is better.
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Beasties were one of my first rap groups as a teen. Still love that album. Mid 87-end of 88 all I listened to was rap.
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Beasties were one of my first rap groups as a teen. Still love that album. Mid 87-end of 88 all I listened to was rap.
Run-DMC remains one of my all-time faves.
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You guys are all nuts. This very well may be the worlds greatest "party album". The Beasties (thankfully) were always reinventing themselves, and never allowed themselves to grow stale. (wasn't Check Your Head one of the first rap albums with all acoustic instruments?) But this album is an earth shattering stamp on rock history. I can't think of a single track that EVERYONE at the party did not know ALL the words to. I can remember a time when you only had to utter one single line from Paul Revere, and suddenly a room full of guys that didn't even know one another would burst into a giant sing-along.
It's so rare that I can pick out an album and firmly state that every single song is a bonafide classic... Back In Black maybe... But this album is one of those albums.
Me, my horsie, and a quart of beer agree with Mr. Dude.
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Beasties were one of my first rap groups as a teen. Still love that album. Mid 87-end of 88 all I listened to was rap.
Run-DMC remains one of my all-time faves.
Yup, another one of my firsts.
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This is a fantastic record, from start to finish; every song is a gem. For a long time all I knew were the three hits - "When Doves Cry," "Let's Go Crazy" and the title track - but when I eventually bought the Purple Rain CD, I instantly realized that all of that talk about it being a great record was true. I love how many of the hooks on this record are musically ones, not necessarily vocal ones, although there are a lot of vocal hooks. I don't always subscribe to some of the weirdness Prince can do, but on this one, he really hit out of the park (with the aid of The Revolution, of course).
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You guys are all nuts. This very well may be the worlds greatest "party album". The Beasties (thankfully) were always reinventing themselves, and never allowed themselves to grow stale. (wasn't Check Your Head one of the first rap albums with all acoustic instruments?) But this album is an earth shattering stamp on rock history. I can't think of a single track that EVERYONE at the party did not know ALL the words to. I can remember a time when you only had to utter one single line from Paul Revere, and suddenly a room full of guys that didn't even know one another would burst into a giant sing-along.
It's so rare that I can pick out an album and firmly state that every single song is a bonafide classic... Back In Black maybe... But this album is one of those albums.
Me, my horsie, and a quart of beer agree with Mr. Dude.
Ridin cross the land...kickin up sand...sheriff's posse's on my tail cause I'm in demaaand. One lonely BEAST-E-I-E...all by myself without nobod-y...
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Paul Revere and Brass Monkey a re my favorites from this album, but the quintessential Beasties album from the 80's is Paul's Boutique.
This but Licensed is pretty good too (and Boutique almost is a 90s album).
Also, Purple Rain :tup
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Purple Rain is so good. Yeah, pretty much a solid album start to finish
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Purple Rain is easily one of the Top 10 albums of the 80s, and its greatness remains. Great album from a genius.
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I still don't quite get the genius vibe from Prince, but that aside, this is still a great record.
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I still don't quite get the genius vibe from Prince, but that aside, this is still a great record.
Have you listened to much of his stuff? Or do you know mostly the radio hits?
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I've heard most of his older stuff and heard some of his new stuff from last year I think. No, I have not heard everything, or even close to it.
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I still don't quite get the genius vibe from Prince, but that aside, this is still a great record.
Usually the talk is about his chord choices. As part of the progression or the chord fingering itself. But that is too simplistic to say it is just that.
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I still don't quite get the genius vibe from Prince, but that aside, this is still a great record.
Usually the talk is about his chord choices. As part of the progression or the chord fingering itself. But that is too simplistic to say it is just that.
That's definitely part of it.
It's just his choices. Within the realm of what he does (Rock/R&B/Funk), he just has a collection of talents that show through in his songwriting, musicianship, and performance that few other artists can match. But if those aren't your favorite genres, it may not be as apparent, I guess.
But he is good enough that quite a bit of his stuff appeals to people who aren't fans of those genres, as well.
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I remember seeing him live on TV and was blown away at his guitar solos. I never knew at the time what a guitarist he was.
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The reactions I often see to Prince's skills as a guitarist are interesting.
While I tend to not liking the terms underrated and overrated anymore...
I think he tends to be underrated by rock fans, who usually don't think of guitar players from non-rock bands or non-rock solo artists as being that great overall.
I think he tends to be overrated by non-rock fans, who give him extra credit for being as good a player as he is in a non-rock genre.
And I say that while not really knowing what genre to put him in. :lol :lol
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And that's what he likes! :lol
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I don't doubt it. He is one odd man, that is for sure. But then again, most creative geniuses are, if hef is right and he really is a genius. :biggrin:
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if hef is right and he really is a genius. :biggrin:
Hef is actually the record holder for Prince's genius certificate. So the debate on Prince being a genius is over. Assuming he didn't put it on eBay.
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never was a huge fan of him tbh
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The reactions I often see to Prince's skills as a guitarist are interesting.
While I tend to not liking the terms underrated and overrated anymore...
I think he tends to be underrated by rock fans, who usually don't think of guitar players from non-rock bands or non-rock solo artists as being that great overall.
I think he tends to be overrated by non-rock fans, who give him extra credit for being as good a player as he is in a non-rock genre.
And I say that while not really knowing what genre to put him in. :lol :lol
His genre is "Prince."
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He's basically R&B/funk, but he has his own twist on it that really hasn't been properly imitated (or maybe I just haven't heard the Prince clones yet)
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I think this has got to be one of the most recognizable album covers of not just the 80s, but all-time; you could take the words "Van Halen" off of the cover and most would still know what album it is. The album is a classic for the music, too, obviously. "Jump" is insanely catchy, and was one of several monster 80s hits where the keyboard lead was the hook! The other hits "Panama" and "I'll Wait" are totally awesome as well...turn on "Panama" at just about any bar and the entire place will scream "Panama!" every time the chorus hits. "Hot for Teacher" has that classic drum intro, even if it ois overdubbed, and the video for this song was one of the best of the 80s; just hilariously entertaining, and I get the sense that once DLR went solo that he used this video as a template for doing his solo ones. "Top Jimmy" is the clear standout of the lesser known songs, although the others are just fine. Oh, and the title track, which kicks off the album as a keyboard-only intro to "Jump," is absolutely killer. All in all, this is a damn fine record. :coolio
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Now we're talking :hefdaddy Although I'm a little sick of Jump and Panama just due to over exposure (but still adore the key/guitar solo and those pick slides towards the end of Jump) I pretty much love everything on it. And the guitar leads on some of the deeper cuts (Girl Gone Bad , House of Pain , Top Jimmy) are some of Ed's most quirky and aggressive moments ever.
Van Halen I got the No 1 spot in my all time Top 50 and this wasn't too far behind in my deliberations.
I love the cover too and was wearing a 1984 shirt yesterday :D
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Not my favourite VH album overall, but it has many of my favourite VH tracks, including Jump, Panama and HFT. Jump is a perfectly constructed pop rock song, and manages to rock based primarily on a synthesizer riff (which is fun to play). There's a lot of layering and complexity to those keyboard parts once you get to the pre-chorus.
Beyond the obvious tracks, you've got the heavy Drop Dead Legs that almost sounds like it could have come off Fair Warning, and Girl Gone Bad rocks like only VH can, with EVH at his finest.
I'll Wait is great too, but it feels like a transitional song to me, the kind of style that was more fitting to Hagar than Roth.
The only duds on the album are Top Jimmy and House of Pain, but the rest of the album easily makes up for it.
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Top Jimmy and GGB are really cool, but for the most part I consider 1984 the continuation of the slide they began with Diver Down. Not really because they're bad albums, but because they were huge drop-offs from the back to back masterpieces of WaCF/FW. After those I heard Jump and said "wow, what a bummer" and never paid much attention to VH again.
And in looking at the track listing for VH, I had forgotten that I'll Wait was even a thing. I seem to have completely blocked its existence from my mind.
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I'm with Barto. DD and this album were pale in comparison to the first 5 albums.
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DD is one of the first 5 albums. :lol
DD and WACF are both duds, but all of the rest of the DLR albums are awesome, including 1984.
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Love this album....I *despise* Jump. I'm sorry, but what a bunch of bubble gum obnoxiousness. I like good pop. ELO makes good pop, Jellyfish makes good pop...even "I'll Wait" is pretty decent pop. But Jump just journeys too far into Britney Spears territory for my tastes.
Drop Dead Legs is my favorite of the lesser known tracks. Hot For Teacher is my favorite from the album. Great song, and probably the second greatest video of all time. (I'm still partial to the video for We're Not Gonna Take It for all time #1. That speech at the beginning is pure gold.)
Drop the first track, and this album is right up there with the debut and Fair Warning.
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Love this album too!
I'll Wait is one of my favorite VH tunes
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Absolutely love Van Halen's 1984. Never understood the keyboard hate. Yes, he was carrying the torch for guitar heroes at the time, but he's a musician first.
Can definitely hear the transition into Van Hagar (which I thought was great as well). Being a guitar nerd at the time, the idea of "Steve Vai" and "Billy Sheehan" teaming up with David Roth seemed like it was going to be the winner, but in the long run Van Hagar won out for me. And it really pointed out which songs in the early catalog were more Roth and which were more Van Halen.
Roth might have been a great front man, but the split made it obvious to me that he was more flash than substance. Even his Becker collaboration "It's Showtime" is pretty bland. I mean, how do you make Jason Becker and Steve Vai sound somewhat generic? You put them in DLR's band.
But 1984 was and still is a masterpiece to me. Even the "not as good songs" are still great.
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a tremendous album.
Regarding "I'll Wait" . . . it was written by Van Halen in collaboration with . . . wait for it . . . Michael McDonald!
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Absolutely love Van Halen's 1984. Never understood the keyboard hate. Yes, he was carrying the torch for guitar heroes at the time, but he's a musician first.
Can definitely hear the transition into Van Hagar (which I thought was great as well). Being a guitar nerd at the time, the idea of "Steve Vai" and "Billy Sheehan" teaming up with David Roth seemed like it was going to be the winner, but in the long run Van Hagar won out for me. And it really pointed out which songs in the early catalog were more Roth and which were more Van Halen.
Roth might have been a great front man, but the split made it obvious to me that he was more flash than substance. Even his Becker collaboration "It's Showtime" is pretty bland. I mean, how do you make Jason Becker and Steve Vai sound somewhat generic? You put them in DLR's band.
But 1984 was and still is a masterpiece to me. Even the "not as good songs" are still great.
To be fair....when he HAD Sheehan and Vai, I think the material was at least Van Hagar's equal...if not even better. Too bad it only lasted two albums. :-\
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To be fair....when he HAD Sheehan and Vai, I think the material was at least Van Hagar's equal...if not even better. Too bad it only lasted two albums. :-\
I actually found the Roth-Vai-Sheehan collaboration a big let down.
Eat 'em and Smile v. 5150: 5150 by a mile.
Skyscraper v. OU812: OU812 wins
A Little Ain't Enough v. F.U.C.K.: The biggest slaughter of them all
I was actually more excited about the Jason Becker addition, and that was even worse than the Vai collaboration. Obviously Becker was going through some serious stuff, but I don't think Becker was going to be allowed to be Becker outside the solo spot just as Vai really wasn't Vai except his solos.
Now you want to talk about an 80s Classic Album: Jason Becker's Perpetual Burn. I blasted that thing to and from my 5am swim and water polo practice for days on end. My "rap" friends that bummed a ride from me probably know this album to this day they heard it so much.
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A Little Ain't Enough was Becker
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I know (when it wasn't Steve Hunter)
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I was only referencing the Vai albums, and I don't think it's the blowout you do. Eat Em and Smile and 5150 are nearly a dead heat, and Skyscraper wipes the floor with OU812.
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Love this album....I *despise* Jump. I'm sorry, but what a bunch of bubble gum obnoxiousness. I like good pop. ELO makes good pop, Jellyfish makes good pop...even "I'll Wait" is pretty decent pop. But Jump just journeys too far into Britney Spears territory for my tastes.
WTF.
Even if there was the slightest similarity there, VH predates it by so many years that it's an irrelevant and ridiculous comparison.
Such an underrated song.
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Love this album....I *despise* Jump. I'm sorry, but what a bunch of bubble gum obnoxiousness. I like good pop. ELO makes good pop, Jellyfish makes good pop...even "I'll Wait" is pretty decent pop. But Jump just journeys too far into Britney Spears territory for my tastes.
WTF.
Even if there was the slightest similarity there, VH predates it by so many years that it's an irrelevant and ridiculous comparison.
Such an underrated song.
OK....The Brady Bunch, if that makes you feel better. :angel:
EDIT: maybe Donnie and Marie?
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How about none of the above?
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DD is one of the first 5 albums. :lol
DD and WACF are both duds, but all of the rest of the DLR albums are awesome, including 1984.
I meant 4 you trouble maker.
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Top Jimmy and GGB are really cool, but for the most part I consider 1984 the continuation of the slide they began with Diver Down. Not really because they're bad albums, but because they were huge drop-offs from the back to back masterpieces of WaCF/FW. After those I heard Jump and said "wow, what a bummer" and never paid much attention to VH again.
I get this viewpoint, looking back now. But at the time this album came out, I was only 12, and this was my first VH album, and I thought it was the best thing I'd ever heard in my life.
I now agree with your assessment of the relative strengths/weaknesses of these album. But 1984 will always have a place in my heart.
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I have to say, I am really surprised to not see more love for I'll Wait. While keyboard-heavy, I think it is utterly fantastic. And on my list of "drum fills I can never not air drum," those right before the first verse are on the list.
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Am I the only one here who rates A Little Ain't Enough?? Although Eat Em and Smile would possibly rate higher when I take everything into account (including its meaning to me back in the day) , I think ALAE was a mature album - if DLR has such a thing :lol - with some great songwriting and for me I think it's aged the best of the DLR solo albums.
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Am I the only one here who rates A Little Ain't Enough?? Although Eat Em and Smile would possibly rate higher when I take everything into account (including its meaning to me back in the day) , I think ALAE was a mature album - if DLR has such a thing :lol - with some great songwriting and for me I think it's aged the best of the DLR solo albums.
A Little Ain't Enough is my favourite DLR album. It's good stuff. A couple of tracks aside, I don't like the Vai ones at all.
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I have to say, I am really surprised to not see more love for I'll Wait.
I love it. I recall being young and wearing big AKG headphones as I combined my drafting and art class with the Van Halen 1984 CD playing on repeat. This song always seemed to stand out.
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Am I the only one here who rates A Little Ain't Enough?? Although Eat Em and Smile would possibly rate higher when I take everything into account (including its meaning to me back in the day) , I think ALAE was a mature album - if DLR has such a thing :lol - with some great songwriting and for me I think it's aged the best of the DLR solo albums.
A Little Ain't Enough is my favourite DLR album. It's good stuff. A couple of tracks aside, I don't like the Vai ones at all.
I can't stand Vai or Satch. They both seem to favour overplaying and tricks above songwriting.
Same with Guthrie Govan. He'll start off with a nice riff and melody and then just go "fuck it" and just
start shredding all over it.
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Top Jimmy and Drop Dead Legs are all very underrated in my opinion. The entire album is solid with, in my opinion, not one bad song on the album.
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So could be considered a classic merely on the strength of "Sledgehammer," which was not only a number 1 hit on the charts, but featured one of the most popular and ground-breaking videos we've ever seen; the album is so much more than just this one monster hit, though. I always thought "Big Time" was the more interesting video and song; that bass line by Tony Levin is nothing short of jaw-dropping. But I get why "Sledgehammer' was more popular, although "Big Time" was still a pretty big hit, too. "In Your Eyes" wasn't the big hit you would have thought it would have been - it didn't even break the the top 20 on the pop charts - but, thanks to his many iconic live performances and it being covered many times, is perhaps the biggest enduring classic from this record. Personal favorites of mine are definitely "Red Rain" and "Mercy Street," the latter of which is one of those songs I am floored by every time I hear it, still this many years later. I actually prefer the live version of "Don't Give Up" with Paula Cole, but the original here with Kate Bush is pretty fantastic, too, of course. Interesting thing about this album is that this was the first time Peter Gabriel actually give a title to one of his albums - the first four were all given unofficial titles by the record companies to reflect the albums' covers - and he took the piss by giving it a two-word title, So. That aside, this is undoubtedly an art rock classic. :coolio
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This album still sounds modern now and I'm still amazed it was recorded in the 80's. Don't Look Back & That Voice again are my favorite tracks from this album.
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I think you mean Don't Give Up king.
This is an album I can appreciate but wouldn't listen to these days -just a bit too light for my taste. Ironically , given the last entry, I bought it back in the day on the strength of an interview with EVH where he said how much he liked it.
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Yup. My bad
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It always amuses me, to this day, when people get all over Genesis for their 80s pop success (and usually point at Invisible Touch as being the nadir of those days) and then go on to praise Peter Gabriel for his experimentation and dedication to being a More Serious Artist, to think of how Invisible Touch, the song, was knocked out of the top spot on the Billboard charts...by Sledgehammer. :lol
While I think you could argue that Gabriel found ways to fuse his experimentalism with pop better than Genesis did. there's no denying that this is a brilliant album with a ton of good old fashioned pop-rock on it. To this day I can be found going "HI THERE" in imitation of the start of Big Time.
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Well, you can't mention Gabriel without Genesis.
I was both early and late to the Genesis/Gabriel game. When I was a little turd, my dad was always playing Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and Trick of the Tail. My mom was always playing late era Beatles (mostly Sgt. Peppers). I loved the songs, but really didn't know who the artists were. Good musical foundation though.
Still pre-teen, my first attachment/repulsion to the Genesis crew was:
Genesis: Land of Confusion (1986)
Phil Collins: Sussudio (1985)
Peter Gabriel: Sledgehammer (1986)
All, of course, on MTV. I liked the dopey videos, but really thought the songs were kind of lame.
I had a friend that was a huge Genesis/Collins/Gabriel fan. And he would try to convert me with these songs. It only pushed me away. A few years later he played Genesis' Dancing on a Volcano. It brought back all my young turd years with my dad blaring it on the stereo. "I know that song. I friggin' love that song. Who is that?" He told me it was Genesis and I responded "why didn't you just play me this stuff? You would have converted me in milliseconds." Keep in mind, there was no internet, google or youtube. You had friends, radio and MTV (and guitar magazines) to discover new music.
Sledgehammer and Big Time were wonderful hits for Gabriel, but terrible introductions for me. Once I finally heard the whole album, I realized he had somehow managed to put garlic on the albums doorstep. Love the album immensely. Probably my
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"In Your Eyes" was featured in an iconic scene from Say Anything (which I haven't seen). That solidified its classic status.
While personally I have listened to Car and Security more than So, So has some great moments.
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This is a fantastic album. It is loaded full of pop genius and amazing songwriting. Easily one of the top albums of the 80s in any genre.
Red Rain really comes into its own in a live setting, IMO.
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One of his very best albums, I'd rank the debut over it though. Red Rain, Sledgehammer, In Your Eyes, Mercy Street, Big Time -so many great ones on this album.
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I have never owned a Peter Gabriel album.
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I have never owned a Peter Gabriel album.
If you ever decide to do so, this would be a good choice.
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It always amuses me, to this day, when people get all over Genesis for their 80s pop success (and usually point at Invisible Touch as being the nadir of those days) and then go on to praise Peter Gabriel for his experimentation and dedication to being a More Serious Artist, to think of how Invisible Touch, the song, was knocked out of the top spot on the Billboard charts...by Sledgehammer. :lol
While I think you could argue that Gabriel found ways to fuse his experimentalism with pop better than Genesis did. there's no denying that this is a brilliant album with a ton of good old fashioned pop-rock on it. To this day I can be found going "HI THERE" in imitation of the start of Big Time.
You yourself answered it ;)
One of his very best albums, I'd rank the debut over it though. Red Rain, Sledgehammer, In Your Eyes, Mercy Street, Big Time -so many great ones on this album.
Melt for me but, like you said, some of his greatest songs are here.
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So is a fucking classic.
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I have never owned a Peter Gabriel album.
Actually, Shaking the Tree is probably a good all around start. It is an old best of.
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Red Rain really comes into its own in a live setting, IMO.
Almost everything Gabriel does shines in a live setting. One of the few performers that out does his albums.
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I have never owned a Peter Gabriel album.
Actually, Shaking the Tree is probably a good all around start. It is an old best of.
I disagree. I think it is better to start with a real album, rather than a best of, for PG. Some artists are good to start off that way, but not PG. I was unable to get into PG by getting that best of years ago, but once I got some of the regular studio albums, they grabbed me.
Red Rain really comes into its own in a live setting, IMO.
Almost everything Gabriel does shines in a live setting. One of the few performers that out does his albums.
Now this I agree with. I am generally not a live album guy, but Secret World Live is the bee's knees. Most of the live versions on that are better than the studio originals. Not all, but most.
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Today, discovering music is a whole new process. I will ask on forums of like minded people (like here) for song recommendations. I prefer song over album recommendations so we don't have to go through the "well, that was the worst song on the album."
Beyond that, once I want to research an artist more deeply, I google "top 10 <artist> songs". Usually some site with a voting system comes up. I listen to those 10 songs on youtube. If I can't find one I like in the top 10, then it probably just isn't my cup of tea.
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Red Rain really comes into its own in a live setting, IMO.
Almost everything Gabriel does shines in a live setting. One of the few performers that out does his albums.
Now this I agree with. I am generally not a live album guy, but Secret World Live is the bee's knees. Most of the live versions on that are better than the studio originals. Not all, but most.
That's the live album I was thinking of. Red Rain was the song that stood out the most for me, as far as how much better the live version was than the studio version.
But yeah, all of them.
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Pretty good album, but among the most (here's that nasty word again!) OVERRATED in rock history. It doesn't help that Axl Rose's voice is annoying more often than not; he single-handedly turns "Paradise City" from a great song into just a pretty good song (it's awesome musically, but his vocals suck in it). Now, I will freely admit that "Welcome to the Jungle" is still one helluva song, and I enjoy "Mr. Brownstone" and "Rocket Queen" both quite a bit. But for me, the majority of songs from Appetite for Destruction fall into the "okay, but nothing memorable about it" category. I get why it was so popular at time, as it had more balls and grit than most other hair metal, and if you're a fan of straight ahead hard rock, this was about as good as it got in that regard in 1987/1988. It's a classic album, even if I am not a big fan.
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As some know I'm currently working through my best of 1987 for the hard rock/metal thread and this is one I struggled with a bit in terms of balancing the legacy effect (I did love it back in the day) vs not really feeling like playing it these days. And then ranking it along side other similarly influential albums (for me) that I do feel have held up better for my taste.
Undeniably a rock classic but I do understand people having some reservations , if there are any outside of Kev and moi.
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Slightly tired of all the radio songs, but overall this is still a killer album
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I pretty much agree with everything you said, Kev.
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I know this will sound snobby or elitist, but I will say it anyway:
Every time I hear someone say this is one of the greatest albums ever, I wonder how much music that person actually listens to. Let's face it, those of us who seek out as much good music as possible are a tiny minority. I am sure a couple of people here will jump in and say, "I listen to a ton of stuff and think this is one of the best albums ever," but I think by and large the people who worship this album are casual music fans at best (see: people who pretty much only listen to what is popular/on the radio/is or was on MTV). I know how that sounds, but screw it. :biggrin: :lol
And to show that I am not totally biased, I think that sums up a very large percentage of U2 fans as well, and U2 is one of my favorites.
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Even if you are totally biased, that doesn't make your statement less true.
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If I had to make a list of the top 1 hard rock albums of all time, this would very likely make the list (although there are a couple of other contenders fighting over that spot).
Timeless production, real attitude, consistently great songwriting, and drumming that is physically impossible not to air drum to. There's a good reason that it's sold a bazillion copies, and it's because it's awesome. :tup
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I know this will sound snobby or elitist, but I will say it anyway:
Every time I hear someone say this is one of the greatest albums ever, I wonder how much music that person actually listens to. Let's face it, those of us who seek out as much good music as possible are a tiny minority. I am sure a couple of people here will jump in and say, "I listen to a ton of stuff and think this is one of the best albums ever," but I think by and large the people who worship this album are casual music fans at best (see: people who pretty much only listen to what is popular/on the radio/is or was on MTV). I know how that sounds, but screw it. :biggrin: :lol
And to show that I am not totally biased, I think that sums up a very large percentage of U2 fans as well, and U2 is one of my favorites.
I think the same way whenever I hear people call Slash the greatest rock guitarist of all time, or see him on lists of that kind. Foo Fighters are another good example - always touted as the best thing in rock but anyone with half a sense of music taste can see there are far more exciting, non-formulaic rock bands out there; they just don't have Grohl's star power.
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Well, how does one rate the greatest rock guitarist of all time? I mean I, obviously, see Slash as one of the most iconic-looking guitarists of all time (which is mainly due to the top-hat image and creating the recognizable guitar riffs of those hit songs from AFD) along with Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Jimmy Page, etc. but does that make him the greatest? It's hard to say, honestly. I will say he is a solid guitar player and songwriter, instrumentally, and that he's a great live player (and I can say that seeing his solo band live, last year).
I frequent the GNR forums, at times, and some people there, obviously, idolize him as their guitar hero and love what he's doing in his career now in terms of working on his solo band with Myles Kennedy and the Conspirators. In terms of the discussion of "greatest" though, I think they just try to stray away on that subject since they know it just creates a lot of debate that does not really move forward and starts a negative vibe and turns it into an Axl vs Slash or New GNR vs Old GNR debates that goes nowhere.
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What's not to love? As far as I am concerned, it holds up today as well as it did nearly 30 years ago. Almost 30 years? Oh my god.
I do remember this one being a very slow rise. I think it took nearly a year for this album to actually catch fire the way it did.
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I will say he is a solid guitar player and songwriter, instrumentally, and that he's a great live player (and I can say that seeing his solo band live, last year).
That's about where it ends for me. I relate the idea that 'Slash is the greatest guitar player' back to Kev's original post about people calling Appetite the greatest rock album. I wonder how many people realise how much Slash rips off the players that come before him, and how much better they are then him. The only thing that he's the greatest at is the ability to embody a cliché image well past it's use by date :lol more power to him though, I agree he's one cool ass mf, and I don't doubt his influence and legacy on modern rock, but I do think he's extremely overrated, at least in terms of playing.
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I know this will sound snobby or elitist, but I will say it anyway:
When you lead with this, don't get too upset when people don't argue that it was indeed a snobby and/or elitist thing to say. People have different tastes. I'm sorry you feel this way. Suggesting that I am a casual music fan because I find it to be an awesome album is just nonsense. But at least you man up to the fact that it does come off rude. At least you own it. :lol
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As far as Slash goes......yeah I'm pretty sure he wouldn't make my Top 10 Guitarists list and perhaps he is over-rated overall , but his playing on AFD isn't over rated (if that makes sense). He's not technically wonderful but many of the solos on that album are quite inspired and timeless IMO ........stuff like Sweet Child Of Mine and so forth. He's never regained that magic IMO.
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Funny, I never owned G&R. I know that sounds crazy but as a whole, I never got into them. That's not saying I didn't like their songs, just not enough to buy them.
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As far as Slash goes......yeah I'm pretty sure he wouldn't make my Top 10 Guitarists list and perhaps he is over-rated overall , but his playing on AFD isn't over rated (if that makes sense). He's not technically wonderful but many of the solos on that album are quite inspired and timeless IMO ........stuff like Sweet Child Of Mine and so forth. He's never regained that magic IMO.
I agree. He's very overrated as a guitarist for what little he's done since GNR, but it's largely because of AFD that he's been able to coast for so long. :lol He wouldn't make my top guitarists either, but many of his solos on that album (and even UYI 1/2) are iconic.
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This is a GREAT album and I've heard TONS of music.
Saw them on this tour in a small club.
Now there's NO WAY they should be in the RnR HOF, but this album stands up. As well as most of the Illusion albums. Then they imploded and blew a chance at a great career.
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Depends on what you mean by the word "great."
If you mean it just in terms of how good the other things you like are, then sure, there are a lot of albums that I like better than this one.
But if you mean it to judge cultural impact, then aren't many albums, especially from this time period, that deserve the title more.
When this album hit, it blew up. It was a volcano of awesome. And by and large, the music still holds up.
Kind of the same thing talking about Slash. Are there a ton of guitarists who can play rings around him? Sure. But how many of them have impacted the greater population? Not many.
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The only song on the album that doesn't make me want to blow my brains out is Rocket Queen, in large part because the vocals are so distorted it doesn't sound like Axl Fucking Rose.
Though in all fairness it is a pretty cool song.
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Funny, I never owned G&R. I know that sounds crazy but as a whole, I never got into them. That's not saying I didn't like their songs, just not enough to buy them.
Ditto for me
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Kind of the same thing talking about Slash. Are there a ton of guitarists who can play rings around him? Sure. But how many of them have impacted the greater population? Not many.
They'd play rings around him, resulting in an unmemorable solo.
I never once in my "guitar idol" youth phase looked at Slash as a great guitar player. But I do look at him as a pretty good musician that plays very melodically.
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Could you imagine the success and career this band would have had if they didn't implode after the Illusion albums. If they would have stayed together and released something even every three years, they may have been the biggest of all time.
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Could you imagine the success and career this band would have had if they didn't implode after the Illusion albums. If they would have stayed together and released something even every three years, they may have been the biggest of all time.
You're right.
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Slightly tired of all the radio songs, but overall this is still a killer album
This, especially Welcome to the Jungle and Sweet Child o' Mine, which are two of their best songs but i heard them so many times to a point where i don't care much about them anymore.
Still, a great hard rock album :metal
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Lots of albums I haven't heard in this thread. I guess I should listen to Appetite. . . .
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Could you imagine the success and career this band would have had if they didn't implode after the Illusion albums. If they would have stayed together and released something even every three years, they may have been the biggest of all time.
Or their implosion is what helped build their legend. Keep them wanting more.
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Sad to say but if they'd OD'd rather than imploded they'd probably be much bigger.
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Bought this on vinyl back in the day when noone in the UK had heard of them. Loved it for about a year then everyone else caught on, the singles were everywhere, the band were acting like pricks and I came to hate it.
Not listened to it in about a decade (at least) and don't really have any desire to.
Didn't even bother with the Illusions after hearing Axl wail through You Could Be Mine.
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I know this will sound snobby or elitist, but I will say it anyway:
When you lead with this, don't get too upset when people don't argue that it was indeed a snobby and/or elitist thing to say. People have different tastes. I'm sorry you feel this way. Suggesting that I am a casual music fan because I find it to be an awesome album is just nonsense. But at least you man up to the fact that it does come off rude. At least you own it. :lol
I didn't say I was being rude; I said I was being snobby or elitist. :lol :biggrin:
Could you imagine the success and career this band would have had if they didn't implode after the Illusion albums. If they would have stayed together and released something even every three years, they may have been the biggest of all time.
Or their implosion is what helped build their legend. Keep them wanting more.
This. The lack of creative input from the collective members since the implosion makes me think they blew their wad early and wouldn't have had much left had they not broken up. I mean, on their 2nd and 3rd full length studio albums (the two IYU's), they were already not only recording covers, but releasing them as singles.
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Po-tay-to, po-tah-to. :biggrin:
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Sad to say but if they'd OD'd rather than imploded they'd probably be much bigger.
So Steven Adler was the actually the smartest member of GNR.
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The lack of creative input from the collective members since the implosion makes me think they blew their wad early
But I don't deny that early wad was quite the wad :blush It was the money shot (https://www.amazon.com/Money-Shot/dp/B000TPM84M).
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Sad to say but if they'd OD'd rather than imploded they'd probably be much bigger.
So Steven Adler was the actually the smartest member of GNR.
:lol Could well be............he tried so hard didn't he? And you could argue he has produced some of the best music of the lot of them in recent years. His albums have been pretty good.
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That's easy too since only Slash has been busy. :lol
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I suppose what I typed was ambiguous - I meant that Adler's recent output has been some of the best music of the lot of them at any time outside of classic GnR. And with "them" I'm referring to the extended family too...........Sorum,Clarke etc....and of course Axl's solo band that passes for GnR.
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If it wasn't for Melodic Rock website I wouldn't know about the other guys anymore. Sad to say.
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Funny how all these guys with the magic chemistry have very fractious relationships ,often from the early days
Slash/Axl , Jagger/Richards, Roth/EVH, Gilmour/Waters etc....etc...
Thankfully most of them fought it out a lot longer than Slash/Axl.
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For the most part it's always one is trying to assert their dominance over others and others want some input. I always think of Steve Perry and Dennis DeYoung.
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Could you imagine the success and career this band would have had if they didn't implode after the Illusion albums. If they would have stayed together and released something even every three years, they may have been the biggest of all time.
Although given that rock turned to shit in the '90s soon after UYI, it probably wouldn't have changed much anyway.
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That's easy too since only Slash has been busy. :lol
I think Duff McKagan has been keeping himself busy as well with his solo band (Loaded) and The Walking Papers. Granted, the material is probably not as great or as well known or close to it as GNR in its prime, but he's been keeping himself busy, being sober, healthy, and fit, spending time with his family, and getting into the world of business and investments (he's a key influence on why I decided that I want to become an accountant).
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Could you imagine the success and career this band would have had if they didn't implode after the Illusion albums. If they would have stayed together and released something even every three years, they may have been the biggest of all time.
I'd surmise the opposite. Every single day that Axl Rose went on acting like humanities biggest asshole it hurt them. I reckon they got out just in time to keep him from completely destroying their brand.
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Could you imagine the success and career this band would have had if they didn't implode after the Illusion albums. If they would have stayed together and released something even every three years, they may have been the biggest of all time.
You're right.
Let's not jump the gun. For all we know that could have been the high point of their career. We're just speculating based on a small amount of evidence. I would never put them on the same level as Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, The Who, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, etc. What would Bobby Darin's career had been like if he didn't die at 37. Some say he could have been the next Sinatra. Others say he already had hit his high point. It's hard to expect a band to continue the success of albums like Appetite and Use Your Illusion every time they put out music.
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That's easy too since only Slash has been busy. :lol
I think Duff McKagan has been keeping himself busy as well with his solo band (Loaded) and The Walking Papers. Granted, the material is probably not as great or as well known or close to it as GNR in its prime, but he's been keeping himself busy, being sober, healthy, and fit, spending time with his family, and getting into the world of business and investments (he's a key influence on why I decided that I want to become an accountant).
I was joking but yes he has. Duff has been able to keep himself in the limelight.
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Why am I not surprised that this album has received by far the most chatter so far in this thread? :lol GnR is always a polarizing band, if nothing else. Anyway, we move on, and because Tempus Vox is the first one to PM some recommendations for this thread (some of which were already under consideration to be featured in the future, of course ;)), I will feature one he recommended that I might not have otherwise...
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I will admit that I only know the four hits from Billy Squier's Don't Say No, but they are all classic tunes that are great: "In the Dark," "The Stroke," "My Kinda Love" and "Lonely Is the Night." I am sure Tempus and maybe Jaq, Orbert, kings or hef will know much more about the rest of this album, so let's have it, fellas. :coolio
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I owned the album, cassette, and CD of this. :lol
I played the crap out of this album. Funny thing I just learned a month ago, the manager for security for the Wal Mart DC where I work was the niece of Billy's drummer Bobby Chouinard who passed away in 1997. She told me she got to see so many shows for free.
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I owned the album, cassette, and CD of this. :lol
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Tell me about it. :lol
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There's a reason why most people remember this album as being the four songs Kev mentioned: they were pretty much head and shoulders above the rest of the album :lol
Of the rest of the songs, the only really memorable ones were I Need You-which was a nice catchy little poppy thing-and Too Daze Gone. The rest of the album ranged from serviceable to just plain there, to me at least. But the well known songs are quite the murderer's row of tracks, and wow, the first side went In The Dark/The Stroke/My Kind Of Lover. DAMN. One of the things about this album that's pretty interesting to me is that it was Squier's second solo album. (He'd previously been in a band called Piper that was best known for touring with Kiss) and while, at the time, the first, The Tale of the Tape, was kind of known to hard rock fans, these days it seems to have vanished off the face of the earth. I can't recall the last time I saw it in a store but it was likely a vinyl version when I did.
(A quick trip by Wiki tells me it did see a CD release, but I simply can't recall ever seeing it.)
Also worth noting about Don't Say No: it was co-produced by Queen producer Mack, who was recommended to Squier after he asked Brian May to produce it. And yes, Billy Squier was one of the first acts you could say were broken big by MTV, because his three videos were played nearly nonstop at MTV's launch. Didn't hurt that they were really frigging good hard rock songs, either.
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Yeah, I had this on cassette, but didn't listen to it all that much. I only remember the songs Kev mentioned. I rarely sought those songs out, but enjoyed them quite a bit when they came on. Beyond that, Mr. Squier did little for me.
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Funny, I never owned G&R. I know that sounds crazy but as a whole, I never got into them. That's not saying I didn't like their songs, just not enough to buy them.
Ditto for me
Ditto for this album.
Apparently I Just Said No! ;D
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All I think of when Billy Squier is mentioned is the Rock Me Tonite video :lol .......that was a few years later though.
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So, I was never really a fan of Billy Squier. It was always kind of bubblegum pop to me. I think we used to play/sing the stroke me song on the playground, but only because we were so young that we knew something was sexual about stroke me, but really didn't know what it meant.
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Didn't that dude have to have his stomach pumped for some reason or another?
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Didn't that dude have to have his stomach pumped for some reason or another?
Wasn't that Rod Stewart. And the rumor was they pumped out semen :laugh:
I remember I was young and enjoying a day at Disneyland when we heard a concert start up in Tomorrowland. Rod Stewart was there and one of the friends let us on to the rumor. So we watched him performing and all we could think about was him getting his semen-filled stomach pumped. Didn't really follow it past that day, but AFAIK, it was just young kids passing around stupid rumors that they probably heard from their mother after reading her National Enquirer.
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I am sure Tempus and maybe Jaq, Orbert, kings or hef will know much more about the rest of this album, so let's have it, fellas. :coolio
I fucking hate Billy Squier.
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I puke a little every time I hear a Billy Squier song. He's got a touch of Robert Plant in his vocal tone, an attribute which he rode for all it was worth.
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Yeah, first time I heard Lonely Is The Night on the radio, I almost thought it was Plant singing
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Okay...everybody just settle down on Billy alright? :lol Granted it wasn't the best thing to come out of the 80's by far, but this album was huge when it came out. I remember at the time if anything it was overplayed by a factor of 12 or so; but still was a solid effort from a lifelong studio guy. It did stay on the top 40 album charts for over 2 years too. Having lived my teen years during that era, this was a transitional time for rock.
There were a ton of beefy, glossy, corporate-rock efforts going on then. Most of it not very pretty. But this album was head and shoulders above the corporate rock schtick of the time. Produced by Rheinhold Mack (from ELO and Queen) you could see the influences and nods to both Aerosmith and Zeppelin (more Presence era than anything else) through the whole record.
Even some of it was too poppy for my tastes, but overall it was a solid effort. I recall seeing him open for Foreigner in a coliseum and the crowd went nuts so loudly when he started Lonely is the Night, that they had to restart it four times, and finally rushed the intro just to quiet the crowd down.
After this record in my opinion everything he did was shit. And because this record was over played it should have been against the law to play it ever again. As a result it was many years before I could listen to it again. Both the overplay and the rest of his terrible catalog are what make him so dismissed I think. Kind of the same thing with the other Billy...Thorpe and "Children of the Sun". Enough already...we got it. We got it. Too much is too much.
But whether you liked this or not (me and at least 4 million other people did), it was and is a classic from the 80's!
I saw a few years ago one of those VH1 shows where he basically said the worst thing he ever did was make a follow up that the record company wanted, and totally departed from what he wanted, and it ruined his career. Yep. I'd agree with that. That Rock Me Tonight video makes me retch. Prancing? Prancing? *shudders*
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KSHE-95 here in St. Louis does a Rock and Roll 500 every year during Memorial Day weekend, where they count down the top 500 hard rock/classic rock songs of all-time. They mix it up every year, so it's not always the same, but number 1 is usually the usual suspects: Stairway to Heaven, Won't Get Fooled Again, Tom Sawyer, Free Bird, Hotel California, etc. But I remember one year when they put Lonely Is the Night at number 1! And another year they had Children of the Sun by Billy Thorpe at number 1. So there ya go. :lol :hat
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:lol
In The Dark for Christ sakes! :lol
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I am sure most of know the two monster hits from this, "Shout" and "Everybody Wants to Rule the World," both of which are fabulous, as well as probably the third hit, "Head over Heels," but this album is much more than just the hits. It's pretty dynamite the whole way through. Songs like "Mother's Talk," "Listen" and "The Working Hour" are all pretty damn good as well. Plus, the album just has this really nice cohesive feel; it flows extremely well, especially by 80s pop rock standards. The playing, too, is surprisingly good if you are someone who thinks of this as just another pop record from the 80s that had a few hits. This is undoubtedly a classic album, and you gotta love that the recent 5.1 of it was done by Steven Wilson. If you have never heard all of Songs from the Big Chair, do so right away. :coolio
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This will be played in my car today when we do our "honeydo" list today.
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Head over heels is the track for me on that one.
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Fantastic album, used to spin the vinyl on a daily basis
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My Tears for Fears experience is a lot like my Duran Duran experience. Like most people growing up, between my different friends I had quite an eclectic sampling of music they would expose me to. New Wave was mainly from my 4th+ grade friend. He was mainly into Duran Duran, but he was also into all types of New Wave, including Tears for Fears.
Like Duran Duran, I liked what my friend played me, but I just liked them. If they came on the radio or he was playing his cassette tape, I enjoyed it. But I didn't own the album myself.
Then a few albums and a few years later, I heard the songs that made me go from like to love. With Duran Duran, it was Ordinary World (and Come Undone). With Tears for Fears, it was Sowing the Seeds of Love. So I had an early exposure, a late moment of being sold on them, then I worked my way backward through their catalog. Of course the movie Real Genius had Everybody Wants to Rule the World and 007 had Duran Duran's A View to a Kill, so I had plenty of exposure beyond friends, radio and MTV ... going into movie soundtracks of my youth. So when I hear these songs, a major rush of nostalgia grabs me and brings back a flood of memories. So Tears for Fears Song from the Big Chair is more than just an album I love. It feels like a piece of me. A more rare piece that ventures outside of my metal centreverse.
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I have to check this album out. I love Everybody Wants To Rule The World, and I recall finding Shout enjoyable. Add in Sowing The Seeds Of Love and Mad World, and you have all four songs I have ever heard from this band :P
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As a teen when it came out I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. I was metal, man.
I enjoyed the two big hits but only in a casual way. Similar with Duran Duran and INXS - I have their greatest hits albums but don't really ever play them unless I'm entertaining the ladies ;)
I can see that it's well done but it's not my thing.
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As a teen when it came out I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. I was metal, man.
I enjoyed the two big hits but only in a casual way. Similar with Duran Duran and INXS - I have their greatest hits albums but don't really ever play them unless I'm entertaining the ladies ;)
I can see that it's well done but it's not my thing.
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I have to check this album out. I love Everybody Wants To Rule The World, and I recall finding Shout enjoyable. Add in Sowing The Seeds Of Love and Mad World, and you have all four songs I have ever heard from this band :P
Broken/Head Over Heels, The Working Hour and Mother's Talk from this album are real gems, you gotta check it out
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Even though I'm a metal man, I bloody love this album. One of the greatest albums of the 80's no doubt. Not a weak track here to be honest, and IMO The Working Hour is by far the best track here.
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Pretty decent album,I still prefer New Order or Depeche Mode when it comes to Synth Pop though.
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Pretty decent album,I still prefer New Order or Depeche Mode when it comes to Synth Pop though.
I wouldn't classify Tears For Fears as synth pop.
This is a fantastic album.
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Pretty decent album,I still prefer New Order or Depeche Mode when it comes to Synth Pop though.
I wouldn't classify Tears For Fears as synth pop.
This is a fantastic album.
This, not even in the same realm IMO.
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Agreed. Tears for Fears isn't anything close to synth pop.
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Not into the band but just came here to say that their version of Mad World is far superior to the Gary
Jules version.
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Pretty decent album,I still prefer New Order or Depeche Mode when it comes to Synth Pop though.
I wouldn't classify Tears For Fears as synth pop.
This is a fantastic album.
This, not even in the same realm IMO.
Sure,Songs From The Big Chair is a bit more New Wave-y but are you telling me that you don't hear the Synh Pop in their debut?
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Pretty decent album,I still prefer New Order or Depeche Mode when it comes to Synth Pop though.
I wouldn't classify Tears For Fears as synth pop.
This is a fantastic album.
This, not even in the same realm IMO.
Sure,Songs From The Big Chair is a bit more New Wave-y but are you telling me that you don't hear the Synh Pop in their debut?
I'm telling you that Tears For Fears is not a syth pop band.
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So sayeth Hef.
The End.
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Pretty decent album,I still prefer New Order or Depeche Mode when it comes to Synth Pop though.
I wouldn't classify Tears For Fears as synth pop.
This is a fantastic album.
This, not even in the same realm IMO.
I don't see the problem with something being synth pop or no :huh:
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They are not saying that.
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New Wave maybe... probably. But when I think of Synthpop I think of Kraftwerk, and TFF are not like Kraftwerk. I like to think of it as Progressive Pop, but that may be quite fanciful of me.
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I love tears for fears
Favorite song is Woman in chains off of the seeds of love.
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Ironically, my two favorite TFF songs (Mad World and Pale Shelter) are from The Hurting, another classic of theirs but Songs from the Big Chair is more consistent overall.
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I love tears for fears
Favorite song is Woman in chains off of the seeds of love.
That's one song of theirs I really can't stand for some reason. It's always rubbed me the bad kind of rub.
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Pretty decent album,I still prefer New Order or Depeche Mode when it comes to Synth Pop though.
I wouldn't classify Tears For Fears as synth pop.
This is a fantastic album.
This, not even in the same realm IMO.
I don't see the problem with something being synth pop or no :huh:
I don't see a problem with something being synth pop either. But as per the argument, Tears for Fears are not synth pop.
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I don't care how you classify this band, this is an outstanding album from start to finish. Until very recently, I had not spun it in a long, long time (probably late '80s or early '90s, believe it or not). I REALLY enjoyed reacquainting myself with the non-hits that I had completely forgotten.
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I REALLY enjoyed reacquainting myself with the non-hits that I had completely forgotten.
I've been doing that in general the past few years. Trying to go back and see what music I overlooked. Mainly music I liked, but didn't purchase back when. I feel like that stupid genealogy commercial. Each band is a leaf, and it leads to more leaves. I've been into albums mentioned here recently like Kraftwerk because I've been getting into vintage synths lately and they frequently show up as pioneers for certain instruments. Sometimes rediscovering the past is as rewarding as checking out the present.
And places like YouTube have definitely made the rediscovery process easier. Heck, it is the first place I go to when Kev brings up a new album that I don't have in my collection (like Squier).
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Very true. YT, to me, is the equivalent of the radio and MTV back in the day, when you could hear music first before buying it, with it better now since anybody who allows it can have their music on YT. I just laugh at artists who are weird about having their music on YT. It is free advertisement for your music!!
Anyway, today's classic album was recommend by jammindude:
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I will admit that I only know the hits from Get Lucky, but they are mostly all good. "Working for the Weekend" and the title track easily stand out as the best of the lot. Loverboy kind of falls in that category of bands that could rock, but had a very broad appeal; girls seemed to love them just as much as guys did.
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I had both of the first two Loverboy albums.
Liked them both. Love Gangs In The Street.
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Loverboy - Notorious music video from 1987 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AeRtYEtRX8)
That was the first and only real time in my life I even became aware of Loverboy. I'm sure I heard their songs before and just didn't know it was them because the radio was on a lot in my youth. The only reason I even remember that video is because, well, I'm barely a teen and this video with tons of hot chicks are on. Basically a long beer commercial from that era.
Working for the Weekend is the only song from that album I can be 100% sure I was aware of at the time. It feels like it should be in that movie around the same time called Flashdance. Was it?
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Calvin, I absolutely have NO recollection of that song.
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Tim, I figured you knew that song from MTV playing it a million times. Man there was another song of that album called "Love Will Rise Again" That song is my favorite Loverboy song.
Now the 1st 4 Loverboy albums I owned on album. I bought the greatest hit's Big Ones on CD. I should try to find the old CD's cheap.
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I just need to copy and paste my recommendation to Kev...
There are albums *from* the 80's and then there are albums that just scream "I am THE 80's album...and l will never EVER be mistaken for being from another time."
The greatest album from this latter category, is IMO......Get Lucky by Loverboy
Loverboy is truly a guilty pleasure in every way. They were just way too cheesy to ever become something bigger than their basic framework. But what they did, they did extremely well. Their first 4 albums are some of the most kick ass corporate rock I've ever heard...but Get Lucky was just lightning in a bottle. 9 songs, 7 of them were radio staples when the album was released, the other two were surprisingly good once you got it home.
This was like the girl named Cindy that you convinced to come over to your place because she was really hot. When you got her home, everything went really fantastic. And when you both woke up in the morning....neither one of you wanted to leave. So you hung out together like that for a whole decade. And you still wonder where that girl is. How she's doing? And maybe if you were just one of the guys or one of the special guys. Hmmmmmm
I will add this: I looked at the track listing again, and I will say that I now only remember 6 of these songs (not seven) being in regular rotation on rock radio when it was new. This was a *very big* album. Def Leppard's Hysteria gets the reputation of being the first rock album that was all singles, but I think Get Lucky beat it by six years.
Jump, Emotional and Watch Out are the songs that I did not hear on radio. And even those songs are really good. (especially Emotional, which is downright awesome)
Working for the Weekend, When It's Over, Gangs in the Street, Lucky Ones, It's Your Life (only heard this one a couple times on the radio, but I did hear it), and Take Me to the Top...all on the radio, all bonafide classics. This is a fantastic 80's album.
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This was like the girl named Cindy that you convinced to come over to your place because she was really hot. When you got her home, everything went really fantastic. And when you both woke up in the morning....neither one of you wanted to leave. So you hung out together like that for a whole decade. And you still wonder where that girl is. How she's doing? And maybe if you were just one of the guys or one of the special guys. Hmmmmmm
What? :lol
Dude, lay off the :hat
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This was like the girl named Cindy that you convinced to come over to your place because she was really hot. When you got her home, everything went really fantastic. And when you both woke up in the morning....neither one of you wanted to leave. So you hung out together like that for a whole decade. And you still wonder where that girl is. How she's doing? And maybe if you were just one of the guys or one of the special guys. Hmmmmmm
What? :lol
Dude, lay off the :hat
:rollin
Hard to believe it's been 22 years since I've touched the stuff. Maybe it just made me wacky. :biggrin:
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:lol Loverboy is an under rated band IMO and one that I've been meaning to dig deeper into next time I feel like some softer music. I have a few albums and a Best Of but these days I could only name the big selling songs. Reno has a great voice though..........I even have his rare solo album Renovation somewhere around here.
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Never, ever, ever cared for them, this album included.
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I can recall watching the VERY first moments of MTV on August 1st of 1981. About 4 of us gathered at my aunts house (she had cable) and remained glued to the TV for the next several days, only taking breaks to sleep and eat and take care of normal hygiene issues or to smoke an occasional joint or get drunk. Since it was my last summer before college, I took a break from it before I went insane. After I got to school and got settled in, we had cable in our dorm, and just about everyone in my freshman dorm would sit around and stare at MTV all the time. After a while a bunch of guys noticed several things. 1) They repeated a ton of stuff. 2) David Byrne was one weird motherfucker, but we liked his music; and we realized that NOTHING was going to be the "same as it ever was" ever again. 3) We all would have sold our souls to bang either Martha Quinn or Nina Blackwood or both. And 4) MTV LOVED to play the heck out of "Fantasy" by Aldo Nova, or ANYTHING that "Loverboy" had released.
There were guys (I was NOT one of them...I had other issues) who started going around wearing the headband even. It was pathetic and scary. And I have to admit, they were okay. Again, it was during that corporate-rock period of the music industry, and they already were starting to overplay that damn "Turn Me Loose" from their first album, so the second one was a welcome change. I never owned any of their records, but thought they were okay. That is until the following spring when I came home for spring break and walked in one day while my mom was jamming out to 'Working for the Weekend" while she was running the vacuum cleaner.
Remember, my mom sang for the NY Met. She used to take me to rock, jazz, and blues concerts all the time when I was a kid. We used to sit together and listen to Pink Floyd records on rainy days. She turned my onto the Beatles when I was three.
She used to help out at this summer music clinic in upstate NY at this really cool camp. I still have a picture of me at like 5 sitting at a picnic table on the lap of Joan Baez and she's helping me stick toothpicks into some clay thing I was making, and my mom and Shirley Owens are sitting there looking on. My mom was musical cool man.
But when I saw her jamming to Loverboy while cleaning the house, I never got into them ever again. :lol
Of course, now I'd only listen to Loverboy for the rest of my life if I could have her back for just five minutes. :biggrin:
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Loverboy is an under rated band IMO and one that I've been meaning to dig deeper
Is that even possible? ;D
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Never, ever, ever cared for them, this album included.
This.
In fact, for my money, the best Loverboy-related song ever produced was the Mike Reno/Ann Wilson duet "Almost Paradise" from the Footloose soundtrack.
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Never, ever, ever cared for them, this album included.
This.
In fact, for my money, the best Loverboy-related song ever produced was the Mike Reno/Ann Wilson duet "Almost Paradise" from the Footloose soundtrack.
You are so wrong that your greatness just took a hit.
I really small one but still. :lol
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Yup, you really small. ;D
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:getoffmylawn: :lol
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Never, ever, ever cared for them, this album included.
This.
In fact, for my money, the best Loverboy-related song ever produced was the Mike Reno/Ann Wilson duet "Almost Paradise" from the Footloose soundtrack.
You are so wrong that your greatness just took a hit.
I really small one but still. :lol
Since I don't know WTF you just said, I will just assume my greatness remains unabated.
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Nope. I said your greatness took a hit of .00000000000001
So there.
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My greatness hasn't "taken a hit" in at least 20 years.
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I bet your girls would say different. :lol I have the exact day that I became "Old" & "Less Cool". Star Wars has something to do with it.
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I bet your girls would say different. :lol
My girls know nothing about my sordid past.
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Which means you're not as cool as you were. No shame Hef. Us aging guys are in the same boat. Remember when black socks pulled up was an old man thing? Now it's cool to do that and your white tube socks are just wrong crumpled down.
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Which means you're not as cool as you were. No shame Hef.
I'll be perfectly honest with you, and this is no bullshit.
I'm getting cooler as I go.
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Which means you're not as cool as you were. No shame Hef. Us aging guys are in the same boat. Remember when black socks pulled up was an old man thing? Now it's cool to do that and your white tube socks are just wrong crumpled down.
What? I still wear white socks, and yes, I crumble them down.
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Which means you're not as cool as you were. No shame Hef. Us aging guys are in the same boat. Remember when black socks pulled up was an old man thing? Now it's cool to do that and your white tube socks are just wrong crumpled down.
What? I still wear white socks, and yes, I crumble them down.
I rest my case. :lol
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Which means you're not as cool as you were. No shame Hef.
I'll be perfectly honest with you, and this is no bullshit.
I'm getting cooler as I go.
I need to have a drink with you.
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Which means you're not as cool as you were. No shame Hef. Us aging guys are in the same boat. Remember when black socks pulled up was an old man thing? Now it's cool to do that and your white tube socks are just wrong crumpled down.
What? I still wear white socks, and yes, I crumble them down.
I rest my case. :lol
:metal
(I knew that was coming!) :lol
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I remember listening to Loverboy, playing basketball, telling my nerdy friends to push their socks down. :lol
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Which means you're not as cool as you were. No shame Hef.
I'll be perfectly honest with you, and this is no bullshit.
I'm getting cooler as I go.
I need to have a drink with you.
Yes you do.
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Loverboy - Notorious music video from 1987 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AeRtYEtRX8)
That was the first and only real time in my life I even became aware of Loverboy. I'm sure I heard their songs before and just didn't know it was them because the radio was on a lot in my youth. The only reason I even remember that video is because, well, I'm barely a teen and this video with tons of hot chicks are on. Basically a long beer commercial from that era.
Working for the Weekend is the only song from that album I can be 100% sure I was aware of at the time. It feels like it should be in that movie around the same time called Flashdance. Was it?
This was my first exposure to Loverboy too. They weren't really on the radar in the uk. Bought this album but only really rated 2-3 songs. I have the Big Ones best of and it's ok, but I'm not a fan as such. They had a few decent songs though but not enough to fill that best of with greatness.
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The worst band name ever.
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A little kissassery here:
The thread has been quite a success. I'm really glad that this isn't about the usual suspects that have probably been discussed to death in a prog metal forum: Rush, Metallica, Iron Maiden, etc. I honestly had totally forgotten about Loverboy and my true realization of their existence with that Notorious music video. So it really has been a nostalgia trip (and rediscovery) for me.
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Yeah, I am trying to space out the most obvious classics, many of which we have discussed here in the band threads many times before. Thanks for noticing! :tup :tup
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Lmao I had never heard of this band till now. So not my thing but those music videos were pretty entertaining. :lol
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Lmao I had never heard of this band till now. So not my thing but those music videos were pretty entertaining. :lol
You leave our 80's music alone! :lol
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The 80s drummers were the best.
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The 80s drummers were the best.
I loved Matt Frenette.
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Mmmmm- videos. Don't forget the Shaguar and Tawny Kitaen Kev :lol
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I think Loverboy is a very solid rock band
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I think Gangs in the Street sounds like it could have been done by Motley Crue....
....granted, not the badass, SatD MC, but the panzy, spandex wearing, ToP MC....but still.
:angel:
https://youtu.be/qk7Fzf4aF7M
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....granted, not the badass, SatD MC, but the panzy, spandex wearing, ToP MC....but still.
:rollin
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Lmao I had never heard of this band till now. So not my thing but those music videos were pretty entertaining. :lol
Hey that's how we lived back in the 80s :biggrin:
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I know it sounds like a cliche, but unless you were around in 1982 and 1983, it is impossible to grasp how massive Thriller was. This album dominated like no other album ever had, or has since. Even more amazing is that only three of the seven had videos, but those three - "Beat It, '"Billie Jean" and "Thriller" - were all iconic videos that those of us who were around still know like the back of our hand. Sales and popularity aside, it is a damn good album. I won't call it the best album ever, like some do, but that's neither here nor there. It's about as classic an album you will find from any genre.
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I can't comment on whether it was a good album or not, but it truly is the album that all others are judged by.
He really was a supreme talent and his life and death remain an enigma like none other.
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This album... there is a reason it's one of the, if not THE biggest selling album of all time. Excellent songwriting, production is impeccable, and of course the fact that MJ is the greatest male pop vocalist of all time. Once I got it on vinyl I truly came to appreciate it, it's just perfect.
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I just listened through my favourites off the album yesterday. I'm not overall into the pop style, but the back to back run of Thriller - Beat It - Billy Jean is hard to top. Beat It was such a good crossover song, and showed how versatile MJ was.
It also gets bonus scifi points for being in BTTF2. :blob:
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I can't say that I ever listen to it , but it's an absolute classic as is almost anything with EVH on guitar :angel: - that's probably why I bought it :lol
I do hear a fair bit of it these days through passive listening as my son is a big MJ fan and an even bigger fan of the Weird Al versions ;D
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Amazing album from start to finish.
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Really, that stretch of Thriller, Beat It and Billie Jean is fantastic.
That plus some other pretty good songs such as Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' and Human Nature and you get a stone cold classic.
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Classic from beginning to end.
Talk about nostalgia. Christmas presents: brother got Thriller and I got Styx - Kilroy was Here. Van Halen ripping it up on Beat It. Paul McCartney on The Girl is Mine. Weird Al's Eat It. Just great times.
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Great album. While Rod Temperton did great work with Heatwave, the title cut here was his Magnum Opus.
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Never been a fan of MJ, but the two songs I like from him are both here - Beat It and Billie Jean. Great stuff.
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I never owned this album or any other album by MJ. That being said, the big hits off this album were very well done and hearing them on the radio as well as seeing them on MTV, I knew the songs by heart. They we outstanding songs.
While most will throw out EVH's solo on Beat It, I will say Steve Lukather's rhythm guitar work on the song is killer.
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One of the greatest albums of all time. Just an insanely awesome collection of great pop tunes. This is one of those albums that cannot be overrated.
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A masterpiece of pop perfection. There's hardly a weak track on the album.
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My bro listens to a lot of MJ and I have to say - some of the album cuts from later albums are really poor compared to his best stuff.
There's some album tracks from Invincible and onwards that sound like Michael Jackson pastiches with an MJ impressionist at the microphone.
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But what about this album Kotowboy?
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:metal this one and Bad are classics !
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While most will throw out EVH's solo on Beat It, I will say Steve Lukather's rhythm guitar work on the song is killer.
Agreed. Great riff, for sure.
Great album. While Rod Temperton did great work with Heatwave, the title cut here was his Magnum Opus.
Ya know, I always think of Billie Jean and Beat It as being the tops, but you really can make a strong argument for Thriller. It's so easy to jump straight to thinking of the video when that song is mentioned, but on its own, the video notwithstanding, the song is definitely pretty awesome.
My bro listens to a lot of MJ and I have to say - some of the album cuts from later albums are really poor compared to his best stuff.
There's some album tracks from Invincible and onwards that sound like Michael Jackson pastiches with an MJ impressionist at the microphone.
But what about this album Kotowboy?
:lol :lol
This is funny, Kotowboy, because you do that a lot, jumping ahead instead of discussing the album currently being featured. You always have a lot to say, which is always good, but still. ;) :biggrin:
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I'm his DTF life coach. :lol
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:D today i eated a cake
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Great album. While Rod Temperton did great work with Heatwave, the title cut here was his Magnum Opus.
Ya know, I always think of Billie Jean and Beat It as being the tops, but you really can make a strong argument for Thriller. It's so easy to jump straight to thinking of the video when that song is mentioned, but on its own, the video notwithstanding, the song is definitely pretty awesome.
I meant Rod Tempertons Magnum Opus. I always thought it bizarre that the biggest hit from MJ was written by a white boy from England. And the work he did with Heatwave was pretty damn special too.
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While most will throw out EVH's solo on Beat It, I will say Steve Lukather's rhythm guitar work on the song is killer.
Yes! Not to mention Steve Pocaro writing Human Nature, and Toto playing all over the record!
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Ya know, I always think of Billie Jean and Beat It as being the tops, but you really can make a strong argument for Thriller. It's so easy to jump straight to thinking of the video when that song is mentioned, but on its own, the video notwithstanding, the song is definitely pretty awesome.
Speaking of which, I actually really dislike the edit of the song as used in the music video, smooshing together all of the verses, then holding off until the end for the chorus, which is mixed pretty weak with less of the background vox. No flow to it at all. The video is an all time classic, the song is great, but I don't particularly like the way they combined the two.
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I don't mind it. Since it is supposed to be something other than a normal length video, I kind of like that they broke the song up the way they did, giving us snippets of it here and there instead of the usual "here is a video over the song exactly as is." Very ground-breaking for its time, in several ways.
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Yes. The Thriller video was major playground talk. Keep in mind, this was a time when not every kid on the playground had MTV, let alone a YouTube/Internet. So we'd actually have sleepovers and wait for videos like this to come on. If I recall correctly, it wasn't played until after 10pm or something like that. This wasn't a video. It was an event. I even recall 30min/1 hour specials where they would show them working out the choreography.
I honestly can't think of any other music video that had this much attention. Even stuff like Dire Straits Money for Nothing was small time compared to the Thriller video.
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IIRC, there was a spell there for a while where they'd play Thriller every Friday night at 9 p.m. CST. It became something forward cool to look forward to every week. Since the video was too long to be in their normal rotation, when it was played, it was an event.
It is also worth very noteworthy that MJ was the reason MTV started playing more videos by black artists. Prior to Thriller, with a few exceptions, you simply didn't see videos by black artists, but that changed thanks to Michael Jackson.
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I don't listen to MJ's music anymore but i fucking loved him when i was like 7. A ton of memories listening to his music...
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While technically a 1979 album, this was released in the States in January 1980, so it's basically an 80s album.
Anyway, this stands high on my list of classic albums I don't get. Granted, I am not much of a fan of punk, but I've given this albums several tries over the years, and it bored me to tears every single time. Considering it wasn't even that popular, at least not in the sense of being one of the best selling albums ever, I think this is a case of critics (whom I have little respect for as a whole) banding together and overhyping this snot out of this album and giving it classic status on their own. Most of the time when an album I do not care for is considered a classic, I can listen to it and think, "Okay, it might not be my cup of tea, but I can see why it's considered a classic." That is not the case with London Calling. This is mediocre stuff.
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I too am not a fan of punk. That's not to say I don't like it's influences like with early Joe Jackson and The Talking Heads but I never bought albums by most of the punk outfits. Not, I do recognize that The Clash to it's art to another level and I appreciate that. I do like a few of their songs but not enough to get into their albums.
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I like London Calling.
But I much prefer their later work....
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This a fine album. Certainly their creative peak. Much more melodic and accessible than their previous albums, yet retains that raw punk edge that's lost in their later efforts.
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A HUGE paradigm shift in the world of punk. Punk had come about as a backlash to "art rock", and this was the first time a punk band had tried to be something other than the one-dimensional punk rock template. In effect...proving that punk rock could have broader artistic merit. A very ground breaking, and yet very ironic album.
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Not really a fan of The Clash but London Calling is great.
My favorites here are Lost in the Supermarket, Spanish Bombs and the title track.
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Rock The Casbah!! :metal
Oh wait..
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...I think this is a case of critics (whom I have little respect for as a whole) banding together and overhyping this snot out of this album and giving it classic status on their own.
Well, any music site ranks this album high so i don't think that's the case :\
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I don't like this band or this album.
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Complete London Calling Album on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KonmIMQelwM)
I wouldn't post a complete album YT, but it was put up by Sony Music UK so I think it is perfectly legal.
London Calling and Train in Vain are the only two that do anything for me and that is probably due to radio play. The album cover gives you the impression you are about to hear some serious aggro-punk ... and instead it borders on sounding like a 1950s sock hop. Never made it into my music library, but I'd consider putting this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H36_HqtHH70) into my music library.
As far as nostalgia, this was my swim coach's idea of the perfect band and perfect album. There were at least four of us into Metallica at the time and the swim coach would constantly tell us "you want real music? Then go get The Clash - London Calling."
I tried to get into it, but it never did much for me.
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https://youtu.be/83xXAFdCQCk?t=160
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I never really got into this one much either. I actually much preferred Combat Rock with SISoSIG, and Rock the Casbah.
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Excellent album even though a bit too long.
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I don't like this band or this album.
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Ah yes, another 80s album just loaded with songs that were both big hits and MTV mainstays. "I Want a New Drug" and "If This Is It" are longtime favorites of mine, the latter of which is one of the most classic 80s videos ever, IMO. Four top 10 hits and another top 20 song, all songs that have aged well. Make no mistake about it, if anyone owned MTV in 1984, it was probably Huey Lewis and the News, thanks to Sports.
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Huey and his band were definitely a "cut above" and one of the few pop rock acts that I got into to any degree. My fave of his is Jacob's Ladder off the Fore album which (surprise,surprise) is about as guitar heavy as they got and ,incidentally, written by Bruce Hornsby. The video for that song also had me in fits of laughter - I can't find a sharp copy on Youtube but Chris Hayes' facial expressions are priceless.
Sports seems to be his most highly respected album and is also top quality - just a bit too poppy for my taste in the end. He did have some great vids too.
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For the life of me, I cannot figure out why I never actually owned a copy of this album. I really liked everything I heard from it (and that goes for every Huey song I have ever heard, actually). I really need to pick up this album.
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My father had Huey Lewis - Sports, but I never did. Definitely remember the MTV videos. He was also in Back to the Future I believe.
The hit songs are good and probably wouldn't hurt to check out the arrangement to improve pop songwriting chops. But I was always more of rock fan than a roll fan.
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What's funny about the If This Is It video is there a clear nip slip in it, but I never noticed it until a few months ago, and VH1 Classic still plays it unedited, so they must not have caught it yet either. :lol Note, when the two women roll over on the backs off of one of the band members, right after the guitar solo, the gal on our left has one clearly exposed. And she looks like she couldn't care less. :lol :lol
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Absolutely one of my favorite albums of all time. Huey Lewis had a distinctive voice, tons of charisma, and the band gelled well together and were songwriting machines. Just amazing.
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Going to YouTube right now. :loser:
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no one pumped the rock fist like Huey Lewis.
always enjoyed their music and their videos were great.
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You could hum this whole album and not even know you are doing it. So damn catchy, every song.
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You could hum this whole album and not even know you are doing it. So damn catchy, every song.
I've never thought of it that way, but that is spot on.
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Got into whatever album had "Power Of Love" on due to back To The Future...
Amazing pop song as is "Hip To Be Square".
:coolio
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I think what I need to do is just go pick up a Huey Lewis greatest hits package (same with Hall & Oates).
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I think what I need to do is just go pick up a Huey Lewis greatest hits package (same with Hall & Oates).
I remember going to see Chicago and H&O was opening. My wife said she really didn't know too many songs then went on to sing ever H&O song they played. :lol CLOSET FAN I called her all night. :lol
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This is a great album!
We saw Huey Lewis and the News last summer for the 30th anniversary of Sports and once the concert got going (hey, it's difficult to get warmed up at their age) they were as good as ever.
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I actually listened to this again not long ago. Simply great.
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Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
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Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
I was waiting for someone to post that. :lol :lol
Got into whatever album had "Power Of Love" on due to back To The Future...
Amazing pop song as is "Hip To Be Square".
:coolio
I am shocked that you are jumping ahead instead of discussing the featured album. :biggrin: :lol
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Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
I was waiting for someone to post that. :lol :lol
Sorry just had to. :lol
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Excellent album. Bad is Bad is one of my favorite songs from that era. But there is not a bad song on this entire record IMO.
Excellent music and a very nice guy too. Very real and kind.
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I think what I need to do is just go pick up a Huey Lewis greatest hits package (same with Hall & Oates).
Love the Holland Oates. I resisted them when I was younger (in public, in private I kinda knew I liked their hits). But I love that *guy*. Did we ruin the next album up for discussion?
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Ah yes, another 80s album just loaded with songs that were both big hits and MTV mainstays. "I Want a New Drug" and "If This Is It" are longtime favorites of mine, the latter of which is one of the most classic 80s videos ever, IMO. Four top 10 hits and another top 20 song, all songs that have aged well. Make no mistake about it, if anyone owned MTV in 1984, it was probably Huey Lewis and the News, thanks to Sports.
Super album... always thought it kinda neat that Huey played on Thin Lizzy's awesome live album "Live and Dangerous". Not exactly the same styles but I'm a fan of both.
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Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
I was waiting for someone to post that. :lol :lol
Got into whatever album had "Power Of Love" on due to back To The Future...
Amazing pop song as is "Hip To Be Square".
:coolio
I am shocked that you are jumping ahead instead of discussing the featured album. :biggrin: :lol
I literally know nothing about the band so can't really contribute apart from those two songs ;D
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On MJ's Thriller: Super album, it boast 7(!) number one hits. But as an album, composition-wise and productionwise, Off the Wall was the better album. :hat
Never got int o the Clash that much. Probably because they may have looked like a 'punkband', they never sounded like one in my ears. And I've heard plenty of punkbands in my time. Probably because they were to good musicians for it. (don''t forget, Bad Brains started off as a jazz/funk fusion band). The only songs I truely love by them is London Calling and Rock the Casbah.
Huey Lewis was cool. Too slick to be a rock band and too rock to be a popband. Catchy songs though....
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Say what you want about Madonna, but she was one of a handful of artists who dominated the 80s, and Like a Prayer is usually looked at as her most classic album. The title track alone is just a powerhouse of a track, and it's so funny to watch the video now and think that that was considered very controversial in 1989. My, how things have changed! :lol :lol If Michael Jackson was the King of Pop, this album solidified Madonna's status as the Queen of Pop.
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My older sister listened to Madonna a ton when we were kids. I totally heard Express Yourself in " Born This Way " .
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Excellent album even though a bit too long.
Yep, it could do without some latter tracks but i don't think that hurts London Calling legacy.
As for Madonna, never was a fan even though i like some of her latter songs.
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I had zero interest in Madonna as a kid apart from that book she did about metal ;D
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I had zero interest in Madonna as a kid apart from that book she did about metal ;D
Did it focus primarily on aluminium or copper ? Or maybe one of the other lesser known metals ?
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I had zero interest in Madonna as a kid apart from that book she did about metal ;D
Did it focus primarily on aluminium or copper ? Or maybe one of the other lesser known metals ?
I forgot to look at the words - sorry :angel:
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No interest in Madonna now.......but oh when I was 14 and MTV was new.
EDIT: Actually really surprised you picked this album. While all of her 80's albums were extremely popular, Like A Virgin seems to be her "iconic" 80's album.
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My impression has always been that Like a Prayer is the more classic album. I could be wrong. :lol :lol
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Nah, it was Like A Virgin. I was in high school when that came out and there were ARMIES of teenaged girls trying to emulate her look and trying to not drive their parents crazy to the point of distraction. Like A Prayer was, if anything, the last album where she was a full on pop culture icon, and she kinda got overshadowed in the early 90s by a lot of female artists.
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Nah, it was Like A Virgin.
This.
But both albums were huge. And both albums were very good. :tup
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Did Madge ever write her own music - i know she sort of plays guitar a bit....kinda...
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Did Madge ever write her own music - i know she sort of plays guitar a bit....kinda...
She wrote or co-wrote most of the songs on the two albums we are discussing here, as well as the album in between, True Blue.
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My recollection of Madonna was that on the very same night Iron Maiden played in Providence on the Powerslave tour, Madonna was playing Foxboro Stadium.
And I agree with the others..Like A Virgin would've been the "classic" album.
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Can we nominate albums we'd like to see included on this list?
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Dis won....
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I had zero interest in Madonna as a kid apart from that book she did about metal ;D
Did it focus primarily on aluminium or copper ? Or maybe one of the other lesser known metals ?
I forgot to look at the words - sorry :angel:
Steely Dan. :eyebrows:
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I haven't heard anything on Like A Prayer apart from the usual hits, but I have to say, the title track is an epic of pop music. Just how, after 3 verses and choruses, around 2:55, it kicks up a notch, with the choirs, some wonderfully over-the-top bass playing from Guy Pratt (also known for being Pink Floyd's 90s bassist). There was something ambitious about 1989 pop.
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Can we nominate albums we'd like to see included on this list?
Send me a PM and recommend anything you want, and I'll give it strong consideration. :tup :tup
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Can we nominate albums we'd like to see included on this list?
Send me a PM and recommend anything you want, and I'll give it strong consideration. :tup :tup
You asked for it. :lol
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Despite my reply to your PM, I will throw that one in the pile to be featured soon...begrudgingly. ;)
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I tried listening to Like a Virgin today, but turned it off 3 songs in. Not that catchy and pretty boring. Material Girl is a pretty bad song too. I almost shut it off before that one finished. I do like a few Madonna songs though. Frozen is the best thing she's ever done.
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Hey, lots of love and hate. You do a great job spreading the styles of music.
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I'm trying to mix it up, instead of doing all rock and metal. And since I think the Madonna discussion will only go so far, we move on...
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Say what you want about AC/DC - yes, their songs are all pretty samey - but Back in Black is still a great collection of songs. Pretty amazing that it went over so well since it was the first album after the death of Bon Scott, their original lead vocalist. Brian Johnson's voice was a perfect fit for the band's dirty style of hard rock. I still remember being floored when I first heard the songs "You Shook Me All Night Long" and "Back in Black" way back in '87. "Shake a Leg" is a longtime favorite of mine as well. But pretty much every song on this is a classic. :metal
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Classic and iconic. On of those albums you heard every song on the radio.
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Quite simply the greatest hard rock album ever recorded.
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Great pick.
This began my journey into "heavy metal". (and yes, I know it is not considered "metal" now, but if you walked into a record store in 1981, the "heavy metal" section did not, in fact, strictly contain Judas Priest and Black Sabbath. Aerosmith, Deep Purple....and yes, AC/DC were all classified as "heavy metal")
Before this, I had been raised on 70's folk/pop and top 40. When I was 10, Barry Manilow, Neil Diamond and ABBA were all the rage. But then a friend brought over a tape and said, "you've got to hear this"....
TIK TIK - TIK TIK - TIK TIK - tk tk
BA BA-NA-NA BA-NA-NA neeeedede needeeeeee BA BA-NA-NA BA-NA-NA BADUMP BADUMP BADUMP BADA....
Changed my musical life permanently. My personal favorites are Shoot to Thrill and Shake a Leg. Totally sick of You Shook Me All Night Long.
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Being Aussie this was a staple in my music diet from a very young age (6) - having said that I didn't realise until much later how highly regarded they were outside of Australia.
Given my overexposure to them as a kid I don't listen to AC/DC often these days but Back In Black does stand out as their masterpiece- all the more amazing given the circumstances and time frames involved.
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Say what you want about AC/DC - yes, their songs are all pretty samey - but Back in Black is still a great collection of songs. Pretty amazing that it went over so well since it was the first album after the death of Bon Scott, their original lead vocalist. Brian Johnson's voice was a perfect fit for the band's dirty style of hard rock. I still remember being floored when I first heard the songs "You Shook Me All Night Long" and "Back in Black" way back in '87. "Shake a Leg" is a longtime favorite of mine as well. But pretty much every song on this is a classic. :metal
Not to nitpick, here, but technically, they had a singer before Bon Scott. Dave Evans, though, I think the band were not too fond of him during the early years era.
Anywho, yep, this is an iconic album indeed. I think my 1st true exposure to a song from Back in Black was when WWE's Wrestlemania 25 used Shoot to Thrill as one of their theme songs and I can recall how it had such a big-time aura to it that suited Wrestlemania as a global phenomenon well at the time. Heck, I honestly thought that Shoot to Thrill was actually one of their latest singles at the time as oppose to one of their most well-known songs that's 30 years old. So, thanks to the magic of Youtube, after hearing Shoot to Thrill a couple more times, I looked up the related videos, one of them was Hells Bells and I just love the gong sound and you just know when you hear that sound, something big is going down loud and ominous.
Months later, heard the album, and yeah, it's pretty solid. Enjoyed the songs I mentioned and Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution the most from the bunch. Back in Black had it all. Amongst the top album sales (probably the most album sales in the world made by a band. Thriller, as discussed before, probably holds the #1 selling album of all time by anyone), had good memorable songs, represented a statement by a band that needed to hit a home run after their lead singer passed away, and cemented a legacy of one of the most iconic rock and roll bands there is.
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Quite simply the greatest hard rock album ever recorded.
For me it's part of an unending 3 way tie with VH1 and AFD, but definitely one of the best. :tup
In this country, most people probably know this album before they can even walk. :lol Pretty much every song on this album was in heavy rotation on our rock station (probably not so much now since they play more modern stuff these days I think).
Sure, you know you're always going to get the same thing from AC/DC, but this is AC/DC's strongest collection of the same thing! :metal
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AC/DC were my first band obsession when I was about 12 or so, the first band I bought all the albums of and listened to obsessively during my early teen years. This album being among the most played, of course. :metal
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This album is pretty fantastic, one of my favorites by AC/DC. My personal favorite is the extremely underrated What you do for money honey. There's a whole bunch of hits on here, all of them are great.
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I still need to hear this in full but had to learn Back In Black for my music degree. so much fun to play and the tempo is pretty much spot on.
I still have trouble with that fiddly middle 8 riff too. :getoffmylawn:
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Classic album
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It's a classic and has plenty of good songs.
But since their entire catalog is fairly same-sounding, this is easily the only album of theirs I need.
Although I also like the songs "For Those About to Rock" and "Thunderstruck."
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I find that the Bon Scott-era albums are much less "samey-sounding" than the Brian Johnson albums. It just seems like they hit on this tremendous sound and groove with Back In Black, and ended up sticking to that formula going forward. Great album though.
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This and Blizzard of Ozz were the seminal albums for me. Pretty much shaped everything that was to come. While it's not something that I'll put on very often, Shoot to Thrill and LMPMLIY are still kick ass songs.
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Say what you want about AC/DC - yes, their songs are all pretty samey - but Back in Black is still a great collection of songs. Pretty amazing that it went over so well since it was the first album after the death of Bon Scott, their original lead vocalist. Brian Johnson's voice was a perfect fit for the band's dirty style of hard rock. I still remember being floored when I first heard the songs "You Shook Me All Night Long" and "Back in Black" way back in '87. "Shake a Leg" is a longtime favorite of mine as well. But pretty much every song on this is a classic. :metal
Not to nitpick, here, but technically, they had a singer before Bon Scott. Dave Evans, though, I think the band were not too fond of him during the early years era.
I stand corrected. Shows how much I know about AC/DC, I suppose. :lol :lol
TIK TIK - TIK TIK - TIK TIK - tk tk
BA BA-NA-NA BA-NA-NA neeeedede needeeeeee BA BA-NA-NA BA-NA-NA BADUMP BADUMP BADUMP BADA....
Changed my musical life permanently.
I still remember the first time I heard that as well. It was at our parish/school picnic the month after our 8th grade graduation. Ah, the summer of '87... :coolio :hat
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I find that the Bon Scott-era albums are much less "samey-sounding" than the Brian Johnson albums. It just seems like they hit on this tremendous sound and groove with Back In Black, and ended up sticking to that formula going forward. Great album though.
Oh I really disagree. I think the Mutt Lange albums stand out from the pack...in both a good way, and a bad way. They do sound very "samey", but they are all top caliber songs. For Those About to Rock sometimes gets forgotten among the three, but there are some amazing forgotten classics on that album.
After a run of three very top notch, but also slick-n-streamlined albums, Flick of the Switch was a return to a MUCH more raw sound. It didn't go over very well with the general audience en masse, but you have to admit that it felt much more like earlier albums. And the "re-finding" of themselves IMO, found its peak with Blow Up Your Video (incidentally, the first album since Powerage to be produced by Harry Vanda and George Young).
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I was 11 years old in 1980 on a plane emigrating from England to Australia.
I was listening to the 'rock' radio on the plane's entertainment system.
I remember hearing 'Hells Bells' and it the first time I was exposed to any really 'heavy' kind of music.
That said never been a massive fan of them, though in the mid 1980's I went through a period where I
really tried to get into them, but never could.
Today I only own 2 acca dacca albums, Back In Black and For Those About To Rock.
As already stated they are played on FM radio here all the time, so no need for anymore albums.
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I was never a diehard AC/DC fan. Not even close. But the Back in Black album really summed up all the best elements of this band. Like somebody else said; this is the obvious album to pick if you just want to get to the best/core of AC/DC. I don't put this album on frequently, but when it shows up in rotation, my ears perk up.
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I find that the Bon Scott-era albums are much less "samey-sounding" than the Brian Johnson albums. It just seems like they hit on this tremendous sound and groove with Back In Black, and ended up sticking to that formula going forward. Great album though.
Oh I really disagree. I think the Mutt Lange albums stand out from the pack...in both a good way, and a bad way. They do sound very "samey", but they are all top caliber songs. For Those About to Rock sometimes gets forgotten among the three, but there are some amazing forgotten classics on that album.
After a run of three very top notch, but also slick-n-streamlined albums, Flick of the Switch was a return to a MUCH more raw sound. It didn't go over very well with the general audience en masse, but you have to admit that it felt much more like earlier albums. And the "re-finding" of themselves IMO, found its peak with Blow Up Your Video (incidentally, the first album since Powerage to be produced by Harry Vanda and George Young).
Blow Up Your Video is awesome, and does feel the most like a Bon era album than any other BJ era.
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This was on the list to get featured at some point, but it also now comes recommended by The Curious Orange...
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I had to admit I was never that wild about Dire Straits. I think it's because I was never a big fan of "Money for Nothing," which was the monster hit from this album that you couldn't avoid. I do like "So Far Away" and "Walk of Life," though I rarely seek out either. I remember hearing great things about the title track years ago, but when I re-checked it out, I was wholly unimpressed. Listening again now, it's okay, but I'm not hearing the alleged greatness. I have little recollection of the rest of this album, just that it was never much to my liking. Regardless, Brothers in Arms is definitely a classic album.
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Great album by a great band. I have lots of memories as a kid listening to Dire Straits with my dad who introduced me to them. The beautiful title track, So Far Away, Why Worry, and my personal favourite Your Latest Trick - it all combines into their best album.
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This was their biggest-selling album, if memory serves, but while very good, this band's true greatness came before this album.
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This was their biggest-selling album, if memory serves, but while very good, this band's true greatness came before this album.
You said it perfectly. I really enjoy the self-titled album as well as Making Movies.
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Great album by a great band. I have lots of memories as a kid listening to Dire Straits with my dad who introduced me to them. The beautiful title track, So Far Away, Why Worry, and my personal favourite Your Latest Trick - it all combines into their best album.
Pretty much this but I always thought On Every Street was stronger overall. Mark always has the best Les Paul sound.
Plus he says he actually uses a pick when recording - just never live !
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God I love Brothers in Arms (the song).
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I wish I liked Dire Straits more. I really do.
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I wish I liked Dire Straits more. I really do.
I'm just a casual fan too
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Brothers In Arms was one of my first 15 or so purchases and was an important album for me back then.....one of the group of 4 sorta wimpy artists that my dad introduced me to and which I still really respect/rate these days (Dire Straits, Doobie Bros, Chicago, Eric Clapton). I can't remember the last time I listened to it though.
Money For Nothing never did much for me but So Far Away, Brothers in Arms , Your Latest Trick etc....were all big faves. A bit on the soft side for me these days but I'm sure I would still enjoy an occasional listen.
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Dire Straits' artistic high point was their earlier albums, but Brothers In Arms is definitely their commercial high point and it's a pretty good album. I like all the usual suspects, but one of my favorite songs by Dire Straits period is Your Latest Trick. That song's just gorgeous. Historically it's pretty important because it was one of the first big releases that dropped on CD, and in fact the CD version of the album was different than the vinyl or cassette versions, with Why Worry clocking in at its full eight minutes on CD but around 5 everywhere else. Great album.
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Excellent album. The title track is probably in my top 25 favorite all-time songs.
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I wish I liked Dire Straits more. I really do.
Not sure I understand this sentiment. Why?
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one of the group of 4 sorta wimpy artists that my dad introduced me to and which I still really respect/rate these days (Dire Straits, Doobie Bros, Chicago, Eric Clapton).
What does that mean? I don't see anything wimpy about any of those four acts.
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one of the group of 4 sorta wimpy artists that my dad introduced me to and which I still really respect/rate these days (Dire Straits, Doobie Bros, Chicago, Eric Clapton).
What does that mean? I don't see anything wimpy about any of those four acts.
If that terminology bothers you then I'm sorry. "Wimpy" for me is like a tongue in cheek term of endearment for the softer music in my collection and , in many ways , AOR (much of which I might use that term for) is where my roots are. Chicago, Doobie Bros and Dire Straits , along with Foreigner, Toto etc...all featured in my Top 50 discussion so I'm a big wimp :)
It's also a pretty common term in the melodic rock/AOR area - most often used by those whose tastes crossover into metal. I remember there was a website -run by one of the best connected managers in the genre- that focused on the rarest AOR stuff around and it was called Wimpwire. There's still an old Facebook page up
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wimpwire-for-fans-of-Classic-AOR/197438323646849?hc_location=timeline
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Yeah Dire Straits are definitely a great band, but I also liked their earlier work more. Loved Sultans of Swing and with Private Investigations they were at their creative hights I think.
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Brothers In Arms was the first album I bought on CD, and really was the definitive album of the 80s, at least here in the UK. It was very well produced, and was the demo album of choice for just about every hifi shop ever to show of the sound of this new shiny compact disk thing - seriously, you couldn't walk in to a electronics store without hearing this playing. Sure, their earlier stuff might be better, but Brothers in Arms captured the zeitgeist in a way very few albums do.
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one of the group of 4 sorta wimpy artists that my dad introduced me to and which I still really respect/rate these days (Dire Straits, Doobie Bros, Chicago, Eric Clapton).
What does that mean? I don't see anything wimpy about any of those four acts.
If that terminology bothers you then I'm sorry. "Wimpy" for me is like a tongue in cheek term of endearment for the softer music in my collection and , in many ways , AOR (much of which I might use that term for) is where my roots are. Chicago, Doobie Bros and Dire Straits , along with Foreigner, Toto etc...all featured in my Top 50 discussion so I'm a big wimp :)
It's also a pretty common term in the melodic rock/AOR area - most often used by those whose tastes crossover into metal. I remember there was a website -run by one of the best connected managers in the genre- that focused on the rarest AOR stuff around and it was called Wimpwire. There's still an old Facebook page up
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wimpwire-for-fans-of-Classic-AOR/197438323646849?hc_location=timeline
That's very strange.
I could imagine some music I would refer to as "wimpy" but none of those four acts would count. I would think Christopher Cross or Eric Carmen. Those four acts are rock acts. It almost sounds like the way you are using it, anything not heavy = wimpy.
But whatever.
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But whatever.
Exactly.
I find the need to micro analyse one word in a light hearted remark about my dad's music just as strange . And if my explanation and evidence of other prominent people in the industry using it in the same context about the same type of bands makes no sense then so be it. It's certainly not (and obviously wasn't) used in a derogatory manner if that's a concern. And to be honest I can't think of anyone I know that doesn't think of the pop era of Chicago as "wimpy".
In the end.......however they're referred to I love all these bands :)
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I guess I should now feature an album that could never be described as "wimpy"... :biggrin: :lol
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Screaming for Vengeance is undoubtedly one of the most classic early metal albums, and it's one of the Judas Priest's best as well. So many classic, great tunes: "The Hellion"/"Electric Eye," "You've Got Another Thing Coming," "Bloodstone," etc. Oddly, I find the title track to be the only not-great song on this, but that kind of speed metal has never been my thing. The great thing about Priest in their heyday was how good they were at combining bone-crushing riffs with great melodies, and this album is a great example of this. Fantastic record. :metal
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Never liked Judas Priest.
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Great album!! :metal
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I like SFV a lot more now than when I discovered it. A classic among classics, but to be honest, it's one of my least fav 80's Priest albums. DOTF is by far the better album to this one.
Anyone discovering SFV though, make sure you check the remaster with the excellent Prisoner in Your Eyes bonus track.
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Great album!! :metal
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Great album!! :metal
Pain and Pleasure is the only semi-dud for me . Top stuff.
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For me it's one of the albums thats the definition of heavy metal. Plus the album cover is just so cool
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Riding on the Wind, Bloodstone, Devil's Child, and of course Electric Eye...great fucking album!
Even the "hit" is great.
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I like SFV a lot more now than when I discovered it. A classic among classics, but to be honest, it's one of my least fav 80's Priest albums. DOTF is by far the better album to this one.
Anyone discovering SFV though, make sure you check the remaster with the excellent Prisoner in Your Eyes bonus track.
Every bit of THIS...
The "highs" are extremely high on SFV. But as an album, I find it to be extremely over-rated. When Rock Band released SFV as their first ever full album release, I bought it....and then just kept wishing over and over again that it had been DotF instead.
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Screaming for Vengeance is undoubtedly one of the most classic early metal albums,
*eyes bolded word*
Shut up, Kev :lol
Given the current age of metal, yes, it IS an early metal album, but that kind of makes me feel old :rollin
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I like SFV a lot more now than when I discovered it. A classic among classics, but to be honest, it's one of my least fav 80's Priest albums. DOTF is by far the better album to this one.
Anyone discovering SFV though, make sure you check the remaster with the excellent Prisoner in Your Eyes bonus track.
Every bit of THIS...
The "highs" are extremely high on SFV. But as an album, I find it to be extremely over-rated. When Rock Band released SFV as their first ever full album release, I bought it....and then just kept wishing over and over again that it had been DotF instead.
It's good, but it is overrated.
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Was it still considered early at this point? I mean, Stained Class is generally what I hear as being the breakout "metal" album....though an argument could be made for Sad Wings as well. SFV is a full on 6 or 7 years later.
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But while they took a big jump in popularity due to British Steel, SFV took them to a whole new level. They became a true supergroup thanks to SFV.
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But while they took a big jump in popularity due to British Steel, SFV took them to a whole new level. They became a true supergroup thanks to SFV.
Interesting, I always thought BS was their big breakout moment, but I wouldn't know, I wasn't born yet haha.
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But while they took a big jump in popularity due to British Steel, SFV took them to a whole new level. They became a true supergroup thanks to SFV.
Interesting, I always thought BS was their big breakout moment, but I wouldn't know, I wasn't born yet haha.
Well, it was...but with SFV, they went from touring theaters to become an arena act.
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Painkiller was my first Priest album (in my teens) and so anything before that qualifies as old for me :lol Over time I worked my way back and as per usual with me - it's nothing conscious about hating the 70's I swear :angel: - British Steel (1980) is the first that seriously interests me.
I rate SFV and DoTF about the same and rate both below Painkiller. Having said that my favourite JP song (The Sentinel) is from DoTF.
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Painkiller is freaking awesome.
The 70's stuff is excellent if not interesting.. They really found their identity with British Steel and hammered it home with SFV.
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Painkiller is just the perfect metal album. And how good is Living Bad Dreams, what a bonus track!
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Painkiller is just the perfect metal album. And how good is Living Bad Dreams, what a bonus track!
I think that was the best bonus track overall from all the re-releases. Prisoner of Your Eyes from SFV is number two. Halford also did a great version off Live Insurrection
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SFV is one of their best albums, although there's a few tracks I don't really care for (Take These Chains, Pain And Pleasure, and Fever).
The Hellion/Electric Eye is one hell of an opener :metal
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Painkiller is just the perfect metal album. And how good is Living Bad Dreams, what a bonus track!
I think that was the best bonus track overall from all the re-releases. Prisoner of Your Eyes from SFV is number two. Halford also did a great version off Live Insurrection
That version of Heart of A Lion was amazing too.
SFV is one of their best albums, although there's a few tracks I don't really care for (Take These Chains, Pain And Pleasure, and Fever).
The Hellion/Electric Eye is one hell of an opener :metal
Probably gonna get slammed here, but I honestly never got the love for Bloodstone, Fever, Riding on the Wind and Devil's Child. They are good sogns, but not classic IMO. I really like the AOR edge of Take These Chains.
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I love Riding On The Wind.
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I love Riding On The Wind.
Me too, along with every other track on the album. Bloodstone is one of my favorites from the band overall
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I like Bloodstone and Riding on the Wind. Devil's Child, Fever and Pain and Pleasure are (to me) the real duds of the album. Nothing on DotF is as poor as these three. Not even the oft maligned Heavy Duty. Take These Chains is fun...but it gets old really fast. If I hear it once in a very long while, I enjoy it. But it doesn't make me want to hear it again like the classics from this album do.
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Great album!! :metal
Pain and Pleasure is the only semi-dud for me . Top stuff.
This.
Great album but Defenders takes the crown.
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As much as I love SFV, I agree about DOTF. That's also my pick for best Priest album.
Highly recommend the deluxe versions of both albums
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I am not a fan of rap, but Raising Hell was undoubtedly an important record, especially since that the first popular fusing of rap and rock, with Run-D.M.C.'s collaboration with Aerosmith in covering the latter's "Walk This Way." I actually enjoyed "It's Tricky" at the time, in large part because it had a cool video, but by and large, I have no use for rap music. However, this is a classic album, so here ya go, rap fans. :biggrin:
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Run DMC are awesome simply because they are pioneers and they share a love of all forms of music, not just their niche.
My crossover at the time was more LL Cool J and some Public Enemy than Run DMC, but they both stood out for really shaping rap/hiphop in their generation. I loved when hip hop started blending into metal. Not the obligatory "let's have a bridge with a Canadian Rap" merge, but the fully penetrating ingredient of hip hop into metal ... NuMetal or whatever people like to call it. Like everything else, most of NuMetal was garbage, but some like Linkin Park and even Korn and Cypress Hill really made it a worthy addition to the metal family tree. And that can all more or less be traced right back to Run DMC / Aerosmith. I won't count the Anthrax / Public Enemy collaboration a few years later because that was subpar. Two good ingredients making one lousy dish.
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However, this is a classic album, so here ya go, rap fans. :biggrin:
That's my cue ;D
A great hip hop album by one of the earliest and best rap groups to appear along Beastie Boys, Furious Five, NWA and Public Enemy. Highlights are It's Tricky, Peter Piper (with that famous beat that they sampled from a Bob James track) and, more obviously, the awesome collaboration with Aerosmith, using their song "Walk this Way".
Even though 80's hip hop isn't my favorite decade for hip hop (prefering what was to come), a nice pick :tup
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Yeah, some great songs on there, but to me it was a bit of a disappointment after hearing albums from Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions and, especially STETSASONIC. Talk about creative sampling! Oh, and special mention goes out to Son Of Bazerk! (album: Bazerk! Bazerk! Bazerk!) by the same production team as P.E.
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:corn
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Now we are talking!
Fantastic album by true innovators of rap. You can talk about creative sampling all you want, but these guys were two of the best rappers of the early scene, and this, their third album, shows them in control of the game.
I must admit, though, I prefer the first two albums to this one, and the fourth is great as well. But this one is amazing.
During this time period, I wager not a day went by without listening to at least one Run-DMC song.
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I didn't mind these 2 hits on this album but it never led to me buying any of their albums. If the videos were on MTV I would listen to it.
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Heartbeat City is a classic album that I somehow have never owned. I was such a big fan of the hits from this at the time, but I just never got it. I remember my cousin Joe owned the vinyl, and he played it for me several times, and it felt like a religious experience at the age of 11, getting to hear the rest of the songs. When I eventually dove into buying CDs, I merely went for the greatest hits by the Cars back then, but I still remember how much I liked the non-hits like the title track and "Why Can't I Have You." And of course, I can't just casually mention the hits and move on; the hits were stellar. "You Might Think" and "Magic" were monster hits, with iconic, memorable videos, and "Drive" still stands up as one of the more phenomenal 80s ballads. "Hello Again" didn't quite become the hit the others were, but it was still a good song with which to kick the album off. Good album, and definitely a classic.
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The album before the troubles started. This was a mega album. You could not miss hearing it.
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While I prefer the debut, Candy-O, and Shake It Up to this, good gods, what an amazing pop-rock album. Ric Ocasek might be one of the most underrated pop song writers ever. The Cars are one of my favorite bands ever, period. Kind of a shame things fell apart after this, but their first five albums are one of the best runs in rock music ever, with only Panorama being remotely near average (and that's personal preference, really.)
I know what band I'm listening to today.
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I used to work with a guy who used to describe bands like the Cars and Cheap Trick as power pop. I always thought that was a good description of their styles.
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When you stop to think about Mutt Lange's body of work in the 80's...it's just astounding. I don't think there has been a more successful producer in the history of rock music outside of maybe George Martin.
AC/DC's Highway to Hell, Back in Black, For Those About to Rock. Def Leppard's High and Dry, Pyromania and Hysteria. Foreigner 4, Heart Brigade (including writing the hit "All I Want to Do Is Make Love to You")
And then there's also this album. I mean, did that guy have a single dud in the 80's at all? And then he met, produced and married Shania Twain on her breakthrough albums. That guy must have more money than anyone right now.
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Some of the hits from this album are catchy, but I never really cared for the Cars all that much.
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love "Drive" and "Magic". Cars need more love.
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Some of the hits from this album are catchy, but I never really cared for the Cars all that much.
This pretty much,I know one of the dudes from the band produced Weezer's Blue Album though so I guess that's cool.
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It's a shame that I now only can really remember the hits. This entire album was terrific. Interestingly enough, I never actually intended on buying it. But this was one of those where I forgot to send in my Columbia House card on time, and it showed up in my mailbox a few weeks later. I was glad it did. That cassette got a lot of plays back in the day.
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It's a shame that I now only can really remember the hits. This entire album was terrific. Interestingly enough, I never actually intended on buying it. But this was one of those where I forgot to send in my Columbia House card on time, and it showed up in my mailbox a few weeks later. I was glad it did. That cassette got a lot of plays back in the day.
Wow, I remember those days! :lol
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Right? :lol
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Thankfully that only happened to me like 20 times.
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Thankfully that only happened to me like 20 times.
Same here
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Record clubs were freakin awesome!!
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Haha, I remember those, too
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Triump had a nice little run in the late 70s/early 80s, and Allied Forces is their most classic album. "Magic Power" and "Fight the Good Fight" are both still mainstays on classic rock radio, "Ordinary Man" is their best tune ever, IMO, and tunes like "Say Goodbye" and the title track are pretty damn good as well. Rik Emmett is still the best guitar player that no one ever talks about anymore, and his awesomeness can be summed up in the 75 seconds that comprise "Petite Etude." Underrated band, and a damn good record. :coolio
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I only have a Triumph best of, but it's really good.
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Great band and album - this one and Surveillance are my favourites.
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Wait...I thought this was a serious thread. ???
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A rocking album. My second favorite behind Thunder 7.
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Allied Forces is a great album. All the way through.
Rik Emmett was fantastic.
I've posted the pic before, but he sang at my buddy's wedding.
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Great band and album - this one and Surveillance are my favourites.
Me too.
An underrated band that deserves more recognition. I'm a big fan
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Triumph is easily one of the most under-rated bands in existence. The run of Allied Forces thru Thunder Seven is one of the best three album punches in rock. (and Just a Game shouldn't get left behind either)
My favorite of all of Rik's acoustical pieces is Midsummer Night's Daydream from Thunder Seven, but they are all amazing.
I just wish the band had been managed better. I had heard they were going to remaster their entire catalog, but didn't have the money, so they just remixed some tracks in a greatest hits form. Haven't heard it yet, but I'm not usually for re-mixing except for in the most extreme circumstances.
But this is just an amazing album. Now I have to go pull it out.
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From what I've seen they put on a cool live show as well
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From what I've seen they put on a cool live show as well
I only saw them once, the night they filmed the Follow Your Heart video.
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Another show we were at Tim.
I saw them on The Sport Of Kings tour as well.
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A couple of friends, who are a bit older than me, always say that in the early 80s, when it came to awesome arena light and stage shows, Rush and Triumph were 1a and 1b.
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A couple of friends, who are a bit older than me, always say that in the early 80s, when it came to awesome arena light and stage shows, Rush and Triumph were 1a and 1b.
Yeah that's true. One of my best friends was very into both bands and convinced me to see them. Honestly I was underwhelmed by each bands' performance, but the lasers were spectacular.
The only other band that I remember using lasers to that extent was Dio.
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Allied Forces would be tied with Wish You Were Here for most overall lifetime spins. Albeit many years ago, but every single day for a
couple years I spun this album. If I compiled a lifetime top 30 this would in it. Tons of memories and countless hours of listening
bliss.
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Sacred Heart tour TIM?
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A couple of friends, who are a bit older than me, always say that in the early 80s, when it came to awesome arena light and stage shows, Rush and Triumph were 1a and 1b.
Yeah that's true. One of my best friends was very into both bands and convinced me to see them. Honestly I was underwhelmed by each bands' performance, but the lasers were spectacular.
The only other band that I remember using lasers to that extent was Dio.
I never saw them, but wasn't Blue Oyster Cult another band who had a reputation for laser shows?
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Sacred Heart tour TIM?
Well, the first time I saw them was 8/20/84 in Providence on the Last In Line tour, but yes, I saw both passes through Providence for Sacred Heart.
I never saw them, but wasn't Blue Oyster Cult another band who had a reputation for laser shows?
Never saw them either, but you may be right. I don't really remember.
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Ahhhh Triumph. Killer album, not a mistake on it, and Magic Power is single handedly responsible for really sparking my musical passion at the wee age I was at. Saw them live a few times, Thunder 7 and Sport of Kings I think, both fucking incredible shows, though they paled a bit to Emmit's first solo tour for the Absolutely album where I was front row with my elbows mere inches away from his feet.
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Request:
Can KevShmev edit the first post to include links to the beginning of each sub thread (band/album). Most of these bands I am fully aware of yet don't own most of the albums. When I get some more time, I'd like to revisit them a bit more closely and read the comments to zero in on some "classic" songs.
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Emmit's first solo tour for the Absolutely album where I was front row with my elbows mere inches away from his feet.
Yes, saw this tour too. Was supposed to be an outdoor show for Earth Day in what..'91 maybe. Got rained out so it was held in a small club, and we were at the stage for it. Forgot about that.
My friend put on a few of those "Grass Roots" shows which resulted in his Live At Berkley album. Saw one of those shows in a small music room at Berkley. Very cool.
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Triumph is the 2nd greatest Canadian rock trio of all the times. :metal
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I only have a Triumph best of, but it's really good.
This.
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Triumph were never on my radar back in the 80s. They weren't known much in the UK as far as i was aware. First time I heard of them was when Hugo covered Magic Power, a great track.
Heard this a couple of years ago and liked it. Very good band. I think I would have been all over it back in the day.
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Triumph is the 2nd greatest Canadian rock trio of all the times. :metal
Yup, Anvil was the greatest! ;D
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Triumph is the 2nd greatest Canadian rock trio of all the times. :metal
Yup, Anvil was the greatest! ;D
*Bitch Slaps*
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Request:
Can KevShmev edit the first post to include links to the beginning of each sub thread (band/album).
I can list each album in the first post, but I have no clue how to link to individual posts.
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Kev, at the top of the post that you want to link to, right click on the title link (where it says "Re: 80s Classic Albums (Featuring: Triumph)"), and then select "Copy shortcut." Then paste in the first post.
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Heh, you learn something new every day. :lol
First post updated. :coolio
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Wow, didn't realize we've been through so many albums already.
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Agreed. Looking at the list, I am pleased with how I have mixed it up. There's rock, metal, pop, punk, rap and dance all in there, and there are still plenty of obvious classics to get to, which I am admittedly trying to space out, so as not to feature all of the heavyweights too early.
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I presume that Mojo Nixon will be included.
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Because I am seeing them tonight...
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I am not sure what I can say about Moving Pictures that hasn't been said over the years by many, including myself. It's almost easy to take this album for granted, because so many of us have heard the songs and seen them live so many times, but I never fail to be amazed at the songwriting, lyrics, sound and musicianship on this record. Side 1 always gets the most attention, understandably since all four tunes are stone cold classic - "Red Barchetta" is still my favorite, and "Tom Sawyer" is still Rush's most popular and recognizable song, and for good reason; it is a killer tune - but "The Camera Eye" is a damn fine tune, and "Witch Hunt" is one of the more underrated Rush songs ever. Throw in "YYZ" and "Limelight," and the greatness of this album is almost unfair. :hat
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Imagine at the hype of Rush this only sold 2.6 million. Yet, everybody can tell you, "Oh yeah, Tom Saywer".
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Most of the time, I disagree with the masses on what any particular artists "great albums" are. But with this one, the masses got it right. This album totally deserves all the praise and reverence it gets.
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Yep, it's not always accurate to look at sales and the charts to gauge how popular and influential an album or song is.
Hell, just staying in the 80s, Physical by Olivia Newton-John was number 1 on the pop charts for 10 weeks (!!!), yet I doubt anybody considers that one of the best pop hits of the 80s anymore.
Meanwhile, Don't Stop Believin' was a minor hit, getting to number 9 on the pop charts, yet most people acknowledge now that it is one of THE defining rock songs of the 80s.
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I liked "Physical."
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I liked "Physical."
The video.
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I liked the song, too.
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What a great album this is. I am a pretty newish Rush fan, I've only listened to them for 3-4 years, but this one I instantly loved and still hold as their very best. The Camera Eye is among my Top 3 Rush songs (with Xanadu and Marathon), but Limelight and Red Barchetta is up there too in the Top 10. Witch Hunt would be my least favourite here, but it's still a fine one. Tom Sawyer is a real classic, and YYZ is great as well.
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I liked the song, too.
I did too but not enough to buy an album.
Kev, this album has my favorite Geddy growl on bass. My favorite tone for him.
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Great album. Almost flawless (I'm not too fond of Vital Signs).
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I have never been a fan of Rush. But I cannot argue in the slightest. Good choice.
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5 star classic
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Greatest band of all time and one of the greatest albums of all time. :hefdaddy
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my #1 album of all time with a bullet. Once I discovered it, it completely changed how I listened to music.
From my Top 50 Albums list:
Prior to 2001, I had no real musical (listening) direction. Before Rush, I really can't even remember what I valued when listening to music. It was primarily popular stuff I guess, with some country mixed in. I did like Metallica, but that was about it as far as metal or anything remotely progressive went. And Chicago was (and still is) a favorite of mine, from their early jazz-rock all the way through their sappy 80's love ballads. I had discovered Tower of Power, Jaco, and Weather Report a few years earlier, so they were in the mix - but as far as world class musicianship, that was it.
That all changed in 2001, when my brother made a CD-R for me that had a whole bunch of different music on it. Three tracks right in the middle of the disc happened to be "Tom Sawyer", "Red Barchetta", and "YYZ". As soon as I heard them, I was like "holy crap, this drummer is awesome." Then I was like "holy crap, this is ALL awesome!" Those three songs were my musical awakening. Then "Limelight" became one of my favorite songs from Retrospective II (I mentioned in a previous entry that the two Retrospective compilations were my first Rush albums), and I noticed it was from the same album as the other three songs. Are you kidding me!? This album has four of the greatest things I've ever heard! Then I got the album and after I heard those four, a song that would go on to surpass even those came on - "The Camera Eye" - a top 5 Rush song for me.
The songs are awesome, the playing superb, the production is excellent. The intros and outros are simply stunning. "Tom Sawyer", "Limelight", and "YYZ" have instantly recognizable opening moments. The intro to "The Camera Eye" is possible my favorite 3 and a half minutes in music. The outros to "Red Barchetta" and "Tom Sawyer" are gems as well. Ok, so "Vital Signs" is fairly pedestrian amongst the Rush song catalog, but even that track gave me a mind-blowing experience. Not long after I had purchased the album, I was listening through it late one night lying on the floor with my headphones on. As I was drifting in and out of sleep during the closing moments of the final song, the famous "everybody got to 'evelate' from the norm" line came on and provided me with quite the surreal experience.
Discovering Rush led me to Dream Theater and Symphony X, which led me to Porcupine Tree and Opeth. Discovering Neal Peart led me to Dave Weckl, Chick Corea, etc. and a renewed interest in jazz, both modern and traditional. All told, approximately 33 of the 50 albums on this list are here because Moving Pictures opened my eyes to a music world beyond what was directly in front of me and I am forever grateful. So in a way, you could say that the album title even has another meaning in that it moved me to another stage in my music listening experience.
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great write-up for the album Big Hath!
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Yep, it's not always accurate to look at sales and the charts to gauge how popular and influential an album or song is.
Hell, just staying in the 80s, Physical by Olivia Newton-John was number 1 on the pop charts for 10 weeks (!!!), yet I doubt anybody considers that one of the best pop hits of the 80s anymore.
Meanwhile, Don't Stop Believin' was a minor hit, getting to number 9 on the pop charts, yet most people acknowledge now that it is one of THE defining rock songs of the 80s.
Actually, another generation decided it was. If it hadn't been in that episode of the Sopranos, Journey's most enduring song would have been the one everyone thought it was back then: Anyway You Want It. :rollin
I've said enough about Rush in various threads here but yeah, there probably isn't a better choice for someone trying to get a person into Rush than Moving Pictures.
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I've never seen The Sopranos and I would've never rated Any Way You Want It over Don't Stop Believin' in terms of popularity and influence.
Moving Pictures is great. What else can you say?
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I would've never rated Any Way You Want It over Don't Stop Believin' in terms of popularity and influence.
Few would. But that being said, Any Way You Want It is still pretty iconic.
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Thanks to Caddyshack... :biggrin:
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I would've never rated Any Way You Want It over Don't Stop Believin' in terms of popularity and influence.
Few would. But that being said, Any Way You Want It is still pretty iconic.
Yeah, sure. They had a ton of hits. My point was that I'm not sure how anyone could think that The Sopranos could have anything to do with lifting DSB's ..um..not sure what word I'm looking for here.
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I think The Sopranos definitely helped Don't Stop Believin' iconic-ness (we'll go with that word :lol). Maybe not to the degree Jaq implied, but it still had a huge helping hand.
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Thanks to Caddyshack... :biggrin:
I was going to specifically mention that in my post, but then figured I did not need to. :)
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I think The Sopranos definitely helped Don't Stop Believin' iconic-ness (we'll go with that word :lol). Maybe not to the degree Jaq implied, but it still had a huge helping hand.
I guess someone who had never heard it before might have taken notice. No surprise, it's a great song.
It's just that I have personally never seen The Sopranos, and have never heard any reference to that song being played on it.
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I would've never rated Any Way You Want It over Don't Stop Believin' in terms of popularity and influence.
Few would. But that being said, Any Way You Want It is still pretty iconic.
The first time I heard Any Way You Want It was that it was played at the end of a The Simpsons episode (It was during the earlier seasons. Somewhere before the 10th season, for sure, I think). It was probably another one of those songs where I heard it, liked the sound of it, didn't know who played it and forgot about it. Thankfully, the magic of Google and lyric sites helped me know the band and song name, so yeah.
Anywho, regarding Moving Pictures. A great album indeed, though I'm not that keen on The Camera Eye, Witch Hunt is just all right, and I do like Vital Signs a great amount, moreso than the general consensus here. That said, the 1st four songs of the album are the essentials and are the songs that helped shaped Rush's legacy.
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I would've never rated Any Way You Want It over Don't Stop Believin' in terms of popularity and influence.
Few would. But that being said, Any Way You Want It is still pretty iconic.
The first time I heard Any Way You Want It was that it was played at the end of a The Simpsons episode (It was during the earlier seasons. Somewhere before the 10th season, for sure, I think). It was probably another one of those songs where I heard it, liked the sound of it, didn't know who played it and forgot about it. Thankfully, the magic of Google and lyric sites helped me know the band and song name, so yeah.
I'm just getting old.
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I would've never rated Any Way You Want It over Don't Stop Believin' in terms of popularity and influence.
Few would. But that being said, Any Way You Want It is still pretty iconic.
Yeah, sure. They had a ton of hits. My point was that I'm not sure how anyone could think that The Sopranos could have anything to do with lifting DSB's ..um..not sure what word I'm looking for here.
Because the day after it appeared in the series finale of the Sopranos the song blew the hell up on itunes, getting downloaded pretty massively, and then starting to appear everywhere else, to the point it became considered The Iconic Journey 80s Song. It's been downloaded over six million times as a paid download since 2007 when it appeared in the last episode of the Sopranos. Until late 2014 it was the most downloaded song on paid download services, in fact and no other song from the pre-digital era has been downloaded more. It didn't make the top 40 in the UK upon its initial release but once it blew up it charted. It's charted as high as number 2 in Canada since it blew up.
And it all started when it was in the last episode of the Sopranos. So yeah, I think it's fair to say the notion that this generation made it the most iconic Journey song ain't too fucking far fetched :lol
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I have never been a fan of Rush.
............and I've tried so hard. Yyz is good ;D I'm pretty sure I've never heard Rush on radio either .
When I was growing up the vast majority of rock on radio in Australia was either Australian (AC/DC, Jimmy Barnes, Rose Tattoo, Dragon, Little River Band), mega huge international (The Eagles/Led Zep/Foreigner) or pop rock (Hall&Oates, Huey Lewis). Outside of music tragics like myself, most of the bands in this thread would be largely unknown in these parts.
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I would've never rated Any Way You Want It over Don't Stop Believin' in terms of popularity and influence.
Few would. But that being said, Any Way You Want It is still pretty iconic.
Yeah, sure. They had a ton of hits. My point was that I'm not sure how anyone could think that The Sopranos could have anything to do with lifting DSB's ..um..not sure what word I'm looking for here.
Because the day after it appeared in the series finale of the Sopranos the song blew the hell up on itunes, getting downloaded pretty massively, and then starting to appear everywhere else, to the point it became considered The Iconic Journey 80s Song. It's been downloaded over six million times as a paid download since 2007 when it appeared in the last episode of the Sopranos. Until late 2014 it was the most downloaded song on paid download services, in fact and no other song from the pre-digital era has been downloaded more. It didn't make the top 40 in the UK upon its initial release but once it blew up it charted. It's charted as high as number 2 in Canada since it blew up.
And it all started when it was in the last episode of the Sopranos. So yeah, I think it's fair to say the notion that this generation made it the most iconic Journey song ain't too fucking far fetched :lol
All of this. It's always been a big song among Journey fans, and even general classic rock fans. But its appearance on The Sopranos is what made it iconic to everyday people who wouldn't otherwise be Journey fans.
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I have never been a fan of Rush.
............and I've tried so hard. Yyz is good ;D I'm pretty sure I've never heard Rush on radio either .
When I was growing up the vast majority of rock on radio in Australia was either Australian (AC/DC, Jimmy Barnes, Rose Tattoo, Dragon, Little River Band), mega huge international (The Eagles/Led Zep/Foreigner) or pop rock (Hall&Oates, Huey Lewis). Outside of music tragics like myself, most of the bands in this thread would be largely unknown in these parts.
And you were forced to eat Vegamite! You poor bastard! And all this time I never realized Australia was still a prison colony! ;)
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Vegemite . I had it given to me on my pacifier to toughen me up and as far as I know the only Aussie who can't hack it is Blob ;D
And why are we still a prison colony ? Cos we imprisoned some arrogant US film star's pooch rat ? :lol
If you're referring to my description of the radio here then yeah...........I'd rather be in prison than listen to it. It's even worse these days.
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Vegemite - get it right . I had it given to me on my pacifier to toughen me up and as far as I know the only Aussie who can't hack it is Blob ;D
:lol Then you don't know many Aussies. It's always been a love/hate thing at best.
And I've also never known of Rush being played on radio here, at least in the past 25 years when I've been aware of it. There are many NA bands that have largely slipped under the radar here, or only known for a track or two, like Skynyrd. Music can be very regional.
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Maybe it's a Sydney thing :angel:
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Maybe it's a Sydney thing :angel:
Or maybe it's a Melbourne thing. :biggrin:
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But it's not allowed in my bush.... :|
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No Jammin, that's VAGamite, and you need a gynecologist to treat it. It's become an epidemic "down under" I'm told. :biggrin:
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Because the day after it appeared in the series finale of the Sopranos the song blew the hell up on itunes, getting downloaded pretty massively, and then starting to appear everywhere else, to the point it became considered The Iconic Journey 80s Song. It's been downloaded over six million times as a paid download since 2007 when it appeared in the last episode of the Sopranos. Until late 2014 it was the most downloaded song on paid download services, in fact and no other song from the pre-digital era has been downloaded more. It didn't make the top 40 in the UK upon its initial release but once it blew up it charted. It's charted as high as number 2 in Canada since it blew up.
And it all started when it was in the last episode of the Sopranos. So yeah, I think it's fair to say the notion that this generation made it the most iconic Journey song ain't too fucking far fetched :lol
All of this. It's always been a big song among Journey fans, and even general classic rock fans. But its appearance on The Sopranos is what made it iconic to everyday people who wouldn't otherwise be Journey fans.
The Sopranos AND the TV show Glee are what lifted DSB to iconic status for this generation.
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I would have featured this at at some point anyway, but am going with it a bit earlier thanks to the recommendation by Tempus Vox...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/StevieRayVaughanTexasFlood.jpg)
I have to admit that blues rock is not something I hardly ever want to listen to, but on those rare occasions, it doesn't get much better than Texas Flood. I did go through a spell back when I first got into SRV, and this, a few others, got a lot of play in my CD player for a while. Songs like "Pride and Joy" and the title track are too great for words, while "Rude Mood" and "Testify" are some of the most bad ass instrumentals the 80s saw. This classic album is just chock full of great tunes. And I cannot forget "Lenny," which I have actually heard played at more than one wedding reception. SRV dying suddenly at 35 in 1990 was a major tragedy, but dang, did he give us some great stuff in the short time he was around. :hat
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Easily one of the greatest, most impactful albums of the decade.
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Despite my immense love for all things heavy metal, hard rock, and prog rock, my favorite guitarist of all time is SRV. Texas Flood was number 11 on my top 50 list and it frequently jumps into the top ten depending on my mood. Fantastic album.
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SRV did more communicating of emotion through his guitar playing than the vast majority of vocalists do with their singing.
Also, he was an influence on JP, although not one that you see cited very often. But it's there, for sure, and I've seen him mention it before.
I know we are talking about just this album, but I must say that one of the most awesome recorded tracks of music I've ever heard from anyone EVER is SRV & DT's instrumental version of Jimi Hendrix's "Little Wing". Just jaw-dropping. During some of the quiet sections, you can hear the tubes from the amp. Gives me shivers.
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I was hooked on how powerful his solos were. It was even bigger live. I was lucky enough to see him once, touring for his live album. My favorite song from him was on the album after. Life Without You.
This album, Texas Flood, solidified his rise to greatness.
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I'm not huge on Blues Rock. But when I was like 4 all my music was either The Beatles or just a bunch of Blues Rock records that my dad liked. Texas Flood was one of those,along with some Bluesbreakers records and BB King's couple live albums. (REST IN FUCKING PEACE) I still love SRV's guitar playing even though I'm not huge on blues anymore. He literally gives the emotion of a whole song in just a single note and it all feels just so fucking powerful. Nobody probably would expect me to like this man's work but this is probably one of the couple Blues Rock albums that I can always listen to and just love. Fucking legend.
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A classic all right.
I am partial to some fiery blues and SRV is as good as it gets.
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I didn't get into him until well after his demise, but I certainly dig his music and his talent is undeniable. The problem was that with him being a local boy (his house would have been a ten minute bike ride from mine) he was just played to death down here. Moreover, when he croaked it was treated as the worlds greatest tragedy. All of that was something of a turnoff for my young, metal-head ass.
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I still remember a guy I worked with many years ago, who was a massive SRV fan, said his thought when he heard of his death was, "Why couldn't it have been Clapton?" :eek :lol
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I still remember a guy I worked with many years ago, who was a massive SRV fan, said his thought when he heard of his death was, "Why couldn't it have been Clapton?" :eek :lol
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Def_Leppard_-_Hysteria_%28vinyl_version%29.jpg)
Hysteria was to late 1987 and 1988 was Thriller was to late 1982 and 1983: total and utter domination. You couldn't turn on a rock radio station or MTV in 1988 without hearing Def Leppard every hour. I swear, at its peak, the video for "Pour Some Sugar On Me" was played literally every hour for months on MTV. I was always kind of lukewarm on that song, although its popularity is not hard to figure out. Of the hits, I always like "Animal" and "Rocket" the most, and while I wasn't that wild about it at the time, I've coming around to liking "Love Bites" quite a bit. Of the non-hits, "Gods of War" is the clear standout, IMO, although I admittedly do not remember the others much. I know a lot of Def Leppard hardcore fans weren't wild about the slick, pop metal sound that dominated this record, but there is no doubt that Mutt Lange and Def Leppard knew what they were doing. They made a landmark album, and while it is one I have never owned on CD, it is a monster classic.
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Good one, but I prefer Pyromania. Can't deny the hit domination though.
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All good material but I'll take the first three albums any day
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I'll echo that.
For the theme of this thread, I suppose Hysteria was the obvious choice, but I'll take Pyromania over this album any time. (and I'll take High and Dry over Pyromania the same way)
This was the album that changed Def Leppard from hard rock icons to Journey clones....but then again, in 1987 that was a void that needed to be filled. That's probably why this album did so well.
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I really like Bryan Adams and they do share a similar sound and songwriting / production but for whatever reason i've just never liked Def Leppard.
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For the theme of this thread, I suppose Hysteria was the obvious choice, but I'll take Pyromania over this album any time. (and I'll take High and Dry over Pyromania the same way)
This was the album that changed Def Leppard from hard rock icons to Journey clones....but then again, in 1987 that was a void that needed to be filled. That's probably why this album did so well.
I agree 100% with this entire post.
I will also add that this is one of the most disappointing albums I've ever heard. WTF happened to Def Leppard? NOT worth the wait.
I would love to hear the Jim Steinman version. Also, love the B Sides.
Saw this tour a number of times. Saw Queensryche, Tesla, and Europe as opening bands for Def Lep.
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I'd be interested in hearing the multitracks for this album as I heard things like - every guitar string was tracked seperately and other ridiculous claims ;D
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Gods of War is the best song on the album followed by the title track. So many accessible songs it's easy to see the reasons this album was as big as it was.
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First half of the album is great, second half is not.
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First half of the album is great, second half is not.
Yeah. Excitable isn't bad but the album otherwise really loses steam after Armageddon It.
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The Cars - a great album, but not a classic.
Triumph - never heard of 'em. I assume they never made it across this side of the pond.
Rush - the last truly classic rock album ever recorded. Nothing since comes close.
SRV - not overly familiar with his stuff
Def Leppard - sounds very dated today, but it was a monster in its time.
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I don't have Hysteria because in the very early 90s (around 1992 when I discovered Dream Theater) used CD shops were very popular. I sold a big chunk of my collection. The first round I got rid of my 80s "glam era" stuff. That included this CD. The second round was my thrash metal stuff (like Metallica and Megadeth). I regret both and it is why I will never sell my music again. Haven't replaced Hysteria. I just bought a greatest hits years ago. So moving past that ...
Women - very cool intro and theme. Holds up better than I thought it would.
Rocket - it is a well written song (as are most on this album), but it was never a fave
Animal - see Rocket
Love Bites - This is the song that finally got me to buy a Def Leppard CD. I like experimental pop (it was at the time)
Pour Some Sugar on Me - The reason I sold this CD. This and Winger's Seventeen are pretty embarrassing lyrics
Armageddon It - see Rocket
Gods of War - meh
Don't Shoot Shotgun - meh
Run Riot - meh
Hysteria - Feels like it is the soundtrack to a young John Cusack movie - was it?
Excitable - meh
Love and Affection - meh
Not much has changed. I like Women and Love Bites. Then "the hits". Then I could leave the half filler.
Def Leppard brings to mind:
1. A high school friend telling me "They said you like Metallica? Ugh. I mean, I can understand Def Leppard, but Metallica?" Metallica - Enter Sandman becomes a huge hit and same guy "dude. Have you heard of Metallica? So good."
2. Kid Rock in Joe Dirt "Def Leppard sucks"
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The earliest days of CDs, when bands started to figure out that they were no longer limited to the customary 35-40 minute album format, wound up producing some of the oddest track listings. Hysteria, with it's massively front loaded first side, might have been one of the oddest results ever. In the old vinyl days, you usually wound up front loading the first halves of sides with singles and you spread the non-singles and the more experimental songs (the old "side 2, songs four and five" stuff) across the rest of the sides. Hysteria suffers as a CD because the entire first side was released as singles, which leaves five of the last six songs as the lesser lights.
Time has kind of lessened how ground breaking this album was back in 1987 though. It was a weird beast for a hard rock album, with a lot of pop sheen, a spectacular production, some non-traditional approaches to songs-there's a decided lack of traditional guitar solos on this album-and some really amazing songs up against four so so pieces of utter filler. I can't complain, though, about Excitable: I told this story in one of Kev's threads about how, for some reason, girls frigging loved that song, and I got some mileage out of that with an attractive lady I worked with for a while, let me tell you :lol
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You could tell which guys were total metalheads back in the day because they like the earlier albums but don't like Hysteria. :biggrin:
I liked all kinds of music, so I liked Pyromania and Hysteria. I didn't discover their older stuff until later.
This album was a beast. The hits are mostly great, but my favorite songs on the album were actually the non-hits, notably Gods of War.
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Great albumm but as others have said I'd take the two before it.
Don't like the first 2 tracks but after that it's all good. (yes even Excitable and Don't Shoot). replace the first two tracks witht he b sides and it becmes an awesome album.
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Still crazy to think of how popular this album was despite the first single, Women, flopping here in America.
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Gods of War is the best song on the album followed by the title track.
I agree. I like the title track. And I also like Love And Affection. Kind of wimpy but it moves along pretty well.
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Still crazy to think of how popular this album was despite the first single, Women, flopping here in America.
Animal didn't do well either then.......BOOM!
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Still crazy to think of how popular this album was despite the first single, Women, flopping here in America.
Not really. It isn't really that uncommon for an album to have its first single start slow, only to have the album take off later on and do really well.
And I wouldn't say Women "flopped." I think that is overstating it. It charted. And on the rock charts, it made top 10 (I forget what its highest position was).
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Well it wasn't at the level of the Pyromania singles
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Women only went to number 80 on the billboard charts, while the next SIX singles from Hysteria all hit the top 20.
I'm not sure the rock charts are always the best indicator, especially since Pour Some Sugar On Me fared the worst of the seven singles there.
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Fair enough. I'm just saying that I think "flopped" is a bit of an overstatement.
Funny that it didn't do so well too. From the first time I ever heard it up until now, it has been my favorite song on the album. And it was one of the first guitar solos I ever learned to play note for note. Hysteria was strange and a bit of a shock after the first three albums. When I heard Women, I thought "Yeah, these guys are BACK!" But then the rest of the album was a bit of a shock. I didn't hate it. But other than Women and Gods of War, I didn't latch onto the other songs either. It was definitely a slow grower. But I came to love it before too long.
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I actually liked Women a lot at first, more than most apparently, but over time it kind of fell by the wayside for me. I never even consider putting it on my 80s playlist, which is pretty massive. :lol :lol Rocket and Animal are the only two from this album that are on it (Gods of War isn't cause my 80s playlist is primarily songs that were known; no deep cuts).
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also like Love And Affection. Kind of wimpy but it moves along pretty well.
Did you ever see the video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1W6-ErrHls
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And just because this is DTF, and Kowtow hasn't posted yet, my Def Lep album ranking:
1. Pyromania
2. High 'n' Dry
3. Hysteria
4. Retroactive
5. Euphoria
...don't care. I mean, I liked a few others, like the first album and Sparkle Lounge, but if I never heard any of the others besides my top 5, I would be fine. I thought Viva Hysteria was a terrific live package because it featured a lot of the best of High 'n' Dry, all of Hysteria, and lots of rarities from the other albums that just don't get much play.
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Hey Hef...........happy to quote TAC referring to Def Leppard songs as "kind of wimpy" but not happy with me calling Chicago and Doobie Bros "sorta wimpy"? :lol ;D
I'm pretty certain that the first Def Leppard that hit our radios was Animal and then Love Bites broke big later. I really enjoyed this album at the time but a year or two later I worked my way back to Pyromania and High'n'Dry and that's when I really became a big fan.
Hysteria is a great album , but missed my Top Ten for 1987. Pyro made my Top 10 of all time.
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In 1981, I was ready to be a Def Leppard and Rush fan for life. Both bands deserted me in the 80's.
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Like a lost kid in the mall food court.
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I thought this album was pretty good, but as time went on I started to believe it was over produced and definitely overplayed. I heard songs from this album so often on the radio, I began to hate most of them. Definitely liked earlier efforts even more.
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Hey Hef...........happy to quote TAC referring to Def Leppard songs as "kind of wimpy" but not happy with me calling Chicago and Doobie Bros "sorta wimpy"? :lol ;D
To be fair, he referenced one song as wimpy, not a band.
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I've never really been able to get into Marillion, even though I tried like hell, but I can see why Misplaced Childhood is so revered; it's a very well done album. But for whatever reason, their sound comes across as too cold to me at times, and this album has that vibe at times. I do like songs like "Bitter Suite" and "Heart of Lothian," and "Kayleigh" is pretty catchy. Overall, I can turn this on and enjoy most of it, but it just doesn't grab me like it does so many. I think it kind of gets the overrated treatment because there were so few memorable prog albums in the mid 80s, but I will still give it its due by featuring it in this thread.
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Misplaced Childhood is in my top 5 favorite albums of all time. It brings me to tears and its beautiful beyond words.
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I actually didn't get Misplaced Childhood until a few years ago. Wasn't much of a Marillion fan at all, but I will say that when Kayleigh came out, I liked the song, and actually bought the 45.
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I had no idea who Marillion were until about 1997 when other DT fans talked about them on IRC. Bought the Marillion "This Strange Engine" CD and just was not into it at all. I listened to a couple of song recommendations back then and it really did nothing for me.
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Top 10 album of all time. I was lucky to see them play this whole album opening for Rush on the Power Windows tour In 1986.
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Marillion is one of those bands where I think some things are amazing and others just do absolutely nothing for me.
This is a classic album in prog circles...and I've heard that Lavender and Kayliegh were top 10 hits in the UK...but the album did almost nothing stateside. No radio airplay, no promotion. I would see the albums in record stores and I liked the artwork, but I didn't know a single person who had heard a note of the albums. I also wouldn't hear anything from Marillion until I was working in a CD shop and got a pre-release of This Strange Engine. I liked it quite a bit, so I did some digging, and picked this album up on vinyl for cheap.
I really enjoy this album, but I've always felt Fish's singing left a lot to be desired. Clutching at Straws is a better album IMO. The album that *REALLY* turned me into a fan was Anaraknophobia. That is still probably my favorite Marillion album...though Marbles gives it a run for its money.
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I definitely like Script better.
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I heard Kayliegh all the time locally and MTV played the video a ton.
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When I bought this album I knew next to nothing about this band. When I put it on and started reading along with the lyrics, something happened. It was the whole athmosphere, the songs flowing into eachother, the inside covers 'grimy' look. Fish first reciting of 'A spider wanders amelessly within the warmth of a shadow' with this thick Scottish accent left me going 'what? what did he just say? and 'What the fuck is this guy going on about?' and made me going back and start listening to the lyrics even more. Maybe it was because my emotional state at that time was very simular to the one in the album, a man going down in alcohol and emotional turmoil. But this album struck a big nerve within me and still does after all these years. Sure there's the overplayed 'hits' but it's tracks like 'vocal under bloodlight' that made it clear to me that tis was something very special.
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Never got into Marillion. Does nothing for me whatsoever.
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I got to know of Marillion through a DVD commentary track where MP and JP talked about this album. I checked it out and I quite like a few tracks on it.
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I got into Marillion in I dunno, 2012.
Started with Afraid of Sunlight I picked up on a whim at a CD store. Then I started to go back and get their entire discography.
Now I mostly listen to Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws.
I will say they release far too much material.. I can't buy every damn live CD/DVD/BluRay you put out, guys!
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I got into Marillion last fall and have heard all their albums since then. Misplaced Childhood is a classic, but I think the second half is not as strong as the first IMO. I think there are stronger albums in their catalog, such as Clutching at Straws, Seasons End, Brave and Anoraknophobia.
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Tom Petty tends to be one of those artists who gets on my nerves at times, yet I still like quite a few of his songs. Some are definitely on Full Moon Fever, especially "Runnin's Down a Dream," "A Face in the Crowd" and "Yer So Bad," I've always been rather ambivalent towards the two big hits, "Free Fallin'" and "I Won't Back Down." I am not a fan of either, but I can see why both were so popular. This was a solo album, as opposed to including the Heartbreakers, although this album did feature them, so I have never quite gotten why he called it a solo album. Either way, it's a classic record.
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Love Full Moon Fever. It was my all time favorite album for many years. Loved the album since I was a wee lad. The first half of the album is better than the second, but it's certainly a classic, and his overall best album. The unevenness does hurt it a little bit, but I do like all the songs.
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I never owned this, but I like every song I have ever heard from it.
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Great album. Tom has a knack of writing catchy tunes but Mike Cambell (sp?) Is Tom Petty's sound. The man is a brilliant guitarist.
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Never been much of a Tom Petty fan, but Runnin Down a Dream is an AWESOME song. ...and Angus Young could almost sue for plagiarism over that particular riff. But that's why I like it so much. It sounds way more like an AC/DC song than a Tom Petty song.
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...and Angus Young could almost sue for plagiarism over that particular riff. But that's why I like it so much. It sounds way more like an AC/DC song than a Tom Petty song.
I have never heard anyone say that before. And often, when I say "I have never heard anyone say that before," I can usually follow that up with "but, yeah, now that you mention it, I can see where you are coming from." Not this time. :lol
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Yep, I think you are gonna be on an island by yourself on this one, jammindude. :lol :biggrin:
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Huh weird. I mentioned it once on a different board a long time ago and got the opposite reaction.
That opening hammer on is just pure Angus to me. Oh well.
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That opening hammer on is just pure Angus to me.
Oh, that part? Eh, I guess I can kind of see a similarity, but only a slight one.
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Never been much of a Tom Petty fan, but Runnin Down a Dream is an AWESOME song. ...and Angus Young could almost sue for plagiarism over that particular riff. But that's why I like it so much. It sounds way more like an AC/DC song than a Tom Petty song.
Yeah, now that you mention it..Whole Lotta Rosie!
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I Won't Back Down was right up there with songs by The Proclaimers in terms of irritating my ear drums as a kid and I can't say I've ever recovered in terms of wanting to check out any of his other stuff.
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That opening hammer on is just pure Angus to me.
Oh, that part? Eh, I guess I can kind of see a similarity, but only a slight one.
Well....it's kinda the main riff for the whole song. :-\
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Pretty good, but I prefer his older stuff.
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Damn the Torpedoes is my favorite but there are still some decent tracks on this one.
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Love this album and TPatH in general.
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I admittedly have never been a big Iron Maiden fan at all, but even I can see why this is considered a classic metal record. Nearly every song on it is considered a classic by their fans. On the rare occasions where I want to listen to this band, the songs I reach for are "Run to the Hills," "Hallowed Be Thy Name" and "Children of the Damned." I enjoy all of those. Praise on this forum is going to be heaping for this record, so bring it on...;)
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Not my favourite Maiden album, but the definition of the term "classic metal album". :metal
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I'm not much of a Maiden fan, but this is a great album. Run to the Hills would be my favourite, but it's a very consistent album, with only the last two tracks being the weaker ones for me.
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I'm not much of a Maiden fan, but this is a great album.
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I recognize the stature of this album. But I've never been able to get into Iron Maiden.
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I recognize the stature of this album. But I've never been able to get into Iron Maiden.
I'll probably be flamed for this, but I've always prefered IM with Di Anno on the vox. I absolutely love the first 2 IM albums.
B.Lee
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This is THE defininitive Iron Maiden album. I personally have a soft spot for Peace of Mind...but as time goes on, I recognize that this is truly the stronger album.
Gangland is the only weak track....why they swapped Total Eclipse for Gangland at the 11th Hour before pressing the album seems ridiculous how. But I guess Steve also felt that it was a mistake since most newer pressings put Total Eclipse back in making it now a 9 track album.
Blob!! No love for Hallowed Be Thy Name?? Really???
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I love Maiden, but I was never huge on TNOTB. It's a great album, and I get the classic status, because it has Maiden's two biggest hit songs on it, as well as being the first album with Bruce on vocals, but overall it's not one of their best for me. Funny enough it's mainly due to the hit songs that I don't care for it, Run to the Hills have always been one of the weaker Maiden songs for me. I totally get why it's a hit and why other people like it, but I guess it's the case of being overplayed. Still, Hallowed Be thy Name, Children of the Damned, The Prisoner and Invaders makes this a really nice album.
I'd say it's a 8 out of 10 or so. Maiden has done much better albums (Powerslave, Seventh Son, A Matter of Life and Death among others) but it's still a very solid middle album.
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Not my favourite Maiden album, but the definition of the term "classic metal album". :metal
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Blob!! No love for Hallowed Be Thy Name?? Really???
Oh, I still like it, I just don't enjoy it as much as the rest of the album.
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The preceding and following albums are top 3 in my book. NotB is a good album, but not a great one.
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I love Maiden, but I was never huge on TNOTB.
This. Still, it has Hallowed Be Thy Name on it :metal
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It could be argued that TNOTB is responsible for me being a metalhead.
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There's one thing that all of these albums have in common: MTV. And The Number Of The Beast is no different.
I like Bruce well enough, but I always found him disingenuous because he always slagged on MTV and always claimed they had no help in getting their music out there. Well, Iron Maiden is where they are because of MTV.
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Are you being ironic? Younger fans like me are being taught by documentaries and interviews that MTV and other mainstream media never supported Maiden, and now all of a sudden someone says these songs got a lot of play on MTV. I'm sure you know what you're talking about, though, you were around back in the day.
This album, although fantastic like most Maiden albums, is more respected and beloved in the general metal community, I think. It's not a huge fan favorite, most fans would rather go for Powerslave, Somewhere in time or Seventh son.
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This album, although fantastic like most Maiden albums, is more respected and beloved in the general metal community, I think. It's not a huge fan favorite, most fans would rather go for Powerslave, Somewhere in time or Seventh son.
I agree with this. I kinda get the feeling that TNOTB is the easy "go to" favorite for a lot of casual fans, whereas a lot of the hardcore fans don't tend to hold it as their favorite. There's exceptions of course, but this is just based on how I see it, with the people I know.
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Are you being ironic? Younger fans like me are being taught by documentaries and interviews that MTV and other mainstream media never supported Maiden, and now all of a sudden someone says these songs got a lot of play on MTV. I'm sure you know what you're talking about, though, you were around back in the day.
I'm curious about this as well. I watched MTV all the time during this period, and I never remember Iron Maiden getting much airplay. Unless you mean on that metal show they had - I forget the name.
But I don't EVER remember them being in regular airplay, like Michael Jackson, Def Leppard, or Poison.
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One of the very first real classic metal albums I heard. Instantly turned my heart into metal, never to go back.
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I saw Maidien a good amount. Of course not like MJ and others but you still could catch Flight Of Icarus on regular rotation.
This album was what got me into IM. A neighbor got it and I went over to hang at his house and listen to it. Of course the album cover was what sucked him in. For me, it was the music.
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I was around back then. I can tell you that the NotB videos were almost never played when they were new. But as their popularity grew, MTV followed the trend. NotB videos were virtually ignored, the Flight of Icaras video got a bit more airplay....but by the time Powerslave had come out, Iron Maiden were HUGE and MTV couldn't ignore one of the biggest bands in the country. Aces High and 2 Minutes to Midnight videos got *A TON* of MTV exposure.
EDIT: In fact, I seem to remember that they made quite a big deal out of the premiere of the 2MtM video.
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Are you being ironic? Younger fans like me are being taught by documentaries and interviews that MTV and other mainstream media never supported Maiden, and now all of a sudden someone says these songs got a lot of play on MTV. I'm sure you know what you're talking about, though, you were around back in the day.
When MTV started, they would play just about anything. They would play Wrathchild regularly from the Live At The Rainbow video. When Run To The Hills came out, it was in heavy rotation. There's no question. Remember, this was still 1982, and just before MTV really exploded. But I can say that it is because of MTV that I became aware of Iron Maiden.
They also played Flight Of Icarus quite a bit.
It wasn't long after 2 Minutes To Midnight debuted that MTV forgot about Iron Maiden. They started to move into the Hair Metal territory and Maiden did not fit. And yes Hef, they were then relegated to the Headbanger's ball.
I will say that Maiden received NO radio airplay, at least in the Boston/Providence market.
But 1982 was a key time in Maiden's history, and it was perfect timing with MTV's infancy that opened Maiden up to future die hards like me.
I was around back then. I can tell you that the NotB videos were almost never played when they were new. But as their popularity grew, MTV followed the trend. NotB videos were virtually ignored, the Flight of Icaras video got a bit more airplay....but by the time Powerslave had come out, Iron Maiden were HUGE and MTV couldn't ignore one of the biggest bands in the country. Aces High and 2 Minutes to Midnight videos got *A TON* of MTV exposure.
EDIT: In fact, I seem to remember that they made quite a big deal out of the premiere of the 2MtM video.
I was going to look for you on this. Run To The Hills was played CONSTANTLY, but they definitely left The Number Of The Beast (the song) alone.
In fact, we didn't have cable, so I could only watch MTV at my grandmother's house in the city. I would stay over on many Saturday nights specifically for the MTV Saturday Night concert. I couldn't go and not see RTTH quite a few times during a visit.
I finally bought the album in mid August '82. But they had been playing the video for months earlier, the album being released in March.
Like I said, they were playing Whrathchild a year earlier.
MTV didn't follow Maiden. They made them. Maiden's tour with Judas Priest wasn't until the fall, and that's what really blew them up. heck, before Screaming For Vengeance, Priest was still playing theaters, but due to the heavy rotation of You've Got Another Thing Coming, it blew Priest up into the arenas..
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This has turned into a very interesting discussion. I really appreciate the comments. :tup
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This has turned into a very interesting discussion. I really appreciate the comments. :tup
I added to the previous post while you were posting. I'm going to try and jog J-Dude's memory. :D
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Ya...I forgot about RttH. (mostly because it's been so overplayed that I've grown not to like the song very much) That did get a decent amount of airplay.
But I'm going to disagree on the Powerslave era. I'm going to say that the hair metal explosion and the waning interest in IM that you mention didn't happen with MTV until Somewhere in Time. That album really didn't fit into any catagory at the time. The battle lines were being drawn with synths vs. no synths and by 1986, thrash metal was filling a "no synth" void that a lot of classic bands like Priest and Ozzy and Crue had left behind.
Somewhere in Time (in my experience) had a very negative backlash when it first came out because of the "no synth" atmosphere that permeated the hard core crowd. Today it's hailed as a classic, and I've grown to really like it over the years. But I was 16, full of piss and vinegar, and my friends and I had already been listening to the "big 4" religiously for 2 years straight. Somewhere in Time seemed like Iron Maiden-lite.
But back on topic. The Powerslave/Life After Death period was Iron Maiden's popularity at it's peak. Both on MTV and on radio. But that really fell off the table with the mid-80's hair metal explosion and the synth sounds of SiT.
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Ya...I forgot about RttH. (mostly because it's been so overplayed that I've grown not to like the song very much) That did get a decent amount of airplay.
But I'm going to disagree on the Powerslave era. I'm going to say that the hair metal explosion and the waning interest in IM that you mention didn't happen with MTV until Somewhere in Time. That album really didn't fit into any catagory at the time. The battle lines were being drawn with synths vs. no synths and by 1986, thrash metal was filling a "no synth" void that a lot of classic bands like Priest and Ozzy and Crue had left behind.
Somewhere in Time (in my experience) had a very negative backlash when it first came out because of the "no synth" atmosphere that permeated the hard core crowd. Today it's hailed as a classic, and I've grown to really like it over the years. But I was 16, full of piss and vinegar, and my friends and I had already been listening to the "big 4" religiously for 2 years straight. Somewhere in Time seemed like Iron Maiden-lite.
But back on topic. The Powerslave/Life After Death period was Iron Maiden's popularity at it's peak. Both on MTV and on radio. But that really fell off the table with the mid-80's hair metal explosion and the synth sounds of SiT.
Yes all the way!
I agree that MTV was with Maiden through Powerslave. I guess that's what I meant when I said after 2MTM. IIRC, they made a big deal of Live After Death.
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I have zero recollection of Maiden on MTV back then, and I watched it a ton in the 80s, but I likely tuned it out since music that heavy would have been a total turnoff to me at the age of 10. :lol I didn't get into really any metal until I was around 19 (unless you count hair metal, which was more rock than metal, really).
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There's one thing that all of these albums have in common: MTV. And The Number Of The Beast is no different.
I like Bruce well enough, but I always found him disingenuous because he always slagged on MTV and always claimed they had no help in getting their music out there. Well, Iron Maiden is where they are because of MTV.
I think this disingenuousness came from the fact that Maiden went out of their way to disassociate themselves from the 'corporate' mainstream (of which MTV was a perceived party), preferring to revel in their identity as a band for the working class.
The thing that gets to me about TNOTB is the fantastic sound of Clive Burr's drums on this album, and the stark change that comes with Nikko replacing him on Piece Of Mind. I always wonder how POM and Powerslave would've sounded if Burr were healthy enough to stay with the band.
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I always preferred Clive's playing to Nicko. More variety and groove IMO.
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Wow, I had no idea Maiden had gotten so much mtv exposure. The docs make it seem like they were flat out ignored. Very interesting.
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No I remember Run to the hills getting quite a lot of airplay on Headbangers' Ball. That was the turnaround point. Hilarious clip as well. Too bad the one for NOTB was so laugingly bad.
I had just become a fan after Killers came out. I remember seeing this glorius album cover in my record store and going 'ooooohhh yeasss!'
Really great album, I remember being blown away by Bruce's vocals. Also how great songs like Hallow be thy name, the Prisoner and 22 Acacia Avenue were. Hell, even the B-sides on that album were great. I've always loved Clive's playing on the earlier album, he could swing. Such a waste of great talent. What a dreadful disease MS is.
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No I remember Run to the hills getting quite a lot of airplay on Headbangers' Ball.
Well, this is what I was asking. I don't remember IM ever getting much airplay on MTV at all. Was it all (or mostly) on Headbangers Ball? It must have been.
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Yeah, that was pretty much all I was watching on that channel.
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the only Maiden video I remember getting heavy airplay on MTv was "Wasted Years".
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Outside of Headbanger's Ball, Iron Maiden did not get much MTV play outside of Run To The Hills, which was on a fair amount. They clearly weren't ignored by MTV. But MTV was not the reason they blew up either.
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And then MTV is not the same in all countries. If I remember correctly, we in Germany got MTV later and when we got it, Metal outside of Headbanger's Ball was a rarity. The only video from Maiden I remember seeing on MTV is "Holy Smoke" and that was much later.
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It could be argued that TNOTB is responsible for me being a metalhead.
It played a big part for me too. The impact of this album in the UK was pretty huge at the time. I loved Killers - still do, its my favourite IM album but TNOTB was quality. Gangland is a poor song (until DT made it something special) and Invaders isn't great but I can live with it. The rest is classic and got a metal band on Top of the Pops with proper metal songs.
I love hallowed and its compulsory to try to hit the Bruce notes in the first verse and hold them
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Outside of Headbanger's Ball, Iron Maiden did not get much MTV play outside of Run To The Hills, which was on a fair amount. They clearly weren't ignored by MTV. But MTV was not the reason they blew up either.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Winger got a ton more airplay than Maiden did on MTV.
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I just remember that there was an ad campaign for the premiere of the 2MTM video. They made a really big deal about it and then premiered it in prime time.
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POM is when they started to play IM videos on a regular basis. Before that it was only Headbangers Ball.
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No I remember Run to the hills getting quite a lot of airplay on Headbangers' Ball.
Well, this is what I was asking. I don't remember IM ever getting much airplay on MTV at all. Was it all (or mostly) on Headbangers Ball? It must have been.
Hef, in 1982 Run To The Hills was in heavy rotation. The second video from the album was the title track, which was shown quite a bit less, probably due to the devilish nature. In May of 1983, Flight of Icarus, had its World Premiere, and was in regular rotation. But The Trooper was played sparingly.
In late 1984, MTV did make a big deal of the premiere to 2 Minutes To Midnight., and the following summer to Live After Death.
As J-Dude mentioned, there was a shift sometime in 1986, where classic metal bands got relegated to the Headbanger's Ball, which really didn't start until mid to late '86 or so, and hair metal/keyboard stuff became popular.
I just remember that there was an ad campaign for the premiere of the 2MTM video. They made a really big deal about it and then premiered it in prime time.
True. The same thing happened before with Icarus.
Outside of Headbanger's Ball, Iron Maiden did not get much MTV play outside of Run To The Hills, which was on a fair amount. They clearly weren't ignored by MTV. But MTV was not the reason they blew up either.
Bosk, RTTH, Icarus, and 2 Minutes were all played. Now I maintain that MTV, and the Run To The Hills video played a huge influence in their popularity. How else could you explain it?
They were a great live band, and word of mouth played a big part, as they toured with Priest on the Point Of Entry/Killers tour, whih played theaters, and then the Screaming For Vengeance/TNOTB tour, which was catapulted to arenas on the STRENGTH od the You've Got Another Thing Coming/RTTH videos.
It was a key time for Maiden, and while J Dude mentions that Maiden's popularity was at its highest in 1985, their big break came in 1982 on the strength of:
1. A great album
2. A great supporting slot on a major tour
3. Exposure on MTV
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Bosk, RTTH, Icarus, and 2 Minutes were all played.
I never said other videos weren't played. They were. They just weren't played all that much in comparison to a lot of other bands. Clearly, they weren't completely ignored (you can even go back to MTV's first day, when Maiden got a total of 6 plays for 2 different songs). But that still doesn't change what I said in my earlier post.
Now I maintain that MTV, and the Run To The Hills video played a huge influence in their popularity. How else could you explain it?
You can maintain that all you like. Outside of Run To the Hills, I'm not sure it is accurate. And I don't need to explain it. Why a given band reaches a certain level of popularity is generally very complicated and is based on many, many factors. I can't pretend to have an explanation.
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Hef, in 1982 Run To The Hills was in heavy rotation.
If you say so. All I can say is that I was a heavy watcher of MTV, and I don't ever remember IM being in "heavy rotation." Maybe they were and I just missed it.
Also, there isn't a word about a video on the wikipedia pages for the album or the song, so it must not have been THAT impactful.
But whatever. Like I said, I don't even like the band that much, so it doesn't really matter to me.
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Now I maintain that MTV, and the Run To The Hills video played a huge influence in their popularity. How else could you explain it?
You can maintain that all you like. Outside of Run To the Hills, I'm not sure it is accurate.
And that's all I'm really saying. THAT was their big break. For Iron Maiden to pretend that MTV had nothing to do with it is disingenuous.
If you say so. All I can say is that I was a heavy watcher of MTV, and I don't ever remember IM being in "heavy rotation."
Not sure when you started watching, but was it as early as 1982? Like I said, in a weekend, I could see the video maybe a half dozen times. If it was anytime after 1982, then yes, it was easy to miss Iron Maiden on MTV.
People, Iron Maiden is one of those bands that was probably destined for greatness. But MTV gave them their break in America in 1982. They just did. After 1982, they really didn't and they had NO radio airplay whatsoever.
But whatever. Like I said, I don't even like the band that much, so it doesn't really matter to me.
Cool. All good. :)
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Well....rock radio played a big part too. My first exposure to Iron Maiden was hearing Still Life on the radio. That might be hard to believe, because Still Life was not a single. I don't know why local rock radio chose to play that song first (it was a precursor to the album coming out) but rock radio was also behind Iron Maiden as well.
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Well....rock radio played a big part too. My first exposure to Iron Maiden was hearing Still Life on the radio. That might be hard to believe, because Still Life was not a single. I don't know why local rock radio chose to play that song first (it was a precursor to the album coming out) but rock radio was also behind Iron Maiden as well.
Wow, that is hard to believe. I can tell you that in Boston and Providence, they were NEVER played, unless it was the day of a show.
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Thinking about it, Maiden could have other entries here because of all the classics 80s albums they have.
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I think they bowed to public pressure. Where I went to high school, the smoking area (another thing that might be hard to believe in this day and age...but yes...my high school had a smoking area for students) was flooded with Iron Maiden t-shirts.
Between 1984 and 1986, I don't know of a single hard rock band that could sell out an arena like Iron Maiden....maybe Van Halen. They were just freakin *that* big.
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Yeah, even for Dio's Last In Line tour in 1984, they moved the stage to the halfway point of the Providence Civic Center.
Van Halen definitely was a sell out, and although I did not go see Priest's Defenders tour. I think that did pretty well too.
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Van Halen definitely was a sell out
First thing you've posted that I agree with all day.
:jumpshark:
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Maiden got good airplay, along with a lot of other metal bands, long before there was a Headbanger's Ball. In fact, once they designated a few hours a week for metal you saw far less of it on a regular basis. In any event, NotB and POM both got good MTV coverage, and even some of the Dianno albums to a lesser degree.
And from a personal standpoint, the video of Icarus was what prompted me to go out and beg, borrow or steal POM and led me to conclude that those guys weren't bad.
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Van Halen definitely was a sell out
First thing you've posted that I agree with all day.
First time you were right all day. ;D
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Maiden got good airplay, along with a lot of other metal bands, long before there was a Headbanger's Ball. In fact, once they designated a few hours a week for metal you saw far less of it on a regular basis. In any event, NotB and POM both got good MTV coverage, and even some of the Dianno albums to a lesser degree.
Wasn't it called Metal Mania or something like that?
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Bart, that video encouraged myself and 3 other teenages to try and murder that dong in my friends garage. Of course it was the drummers garage.
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Bart, that video encouraged myself and 3 other teenages to try and murder that dong in my friends garage.
Well, I suppose that's understandable, since it is not uncommon for teenagers to want to experiment with all those new feelings that are raging through their bodies. But I have to admit, I have never heard it called that before. You kids and your slang...
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Holy shit!! That is the funniest mistake. I ever made. :lol
Song folks. Song. :lol
Btw, I did that murdering myself. :lol
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Whew. I'm glad you weren't actually murdering your dong! :lol
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I did have a slashing motion.
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I did have a slashing motion.
Well, no wonder that..
My head turns purple ...
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Now your stalking. I am stalking worth though. :lol
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I've heard of "stabbing the cat" but "murdering the dong"? :omg:
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And with three friends, no less.
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And with three friends, no less.
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It was a metal daisy chain.
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Time for a new album, Kev! :lol
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No doubt.
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They're a 90'a band bosk1.
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Maiden got good airplay, along with a lot of other metal bands, long before there was a Headbanger's Ball. In fact, once they designated a few hours a week for metal you saw far less of it on a regular basis. In any event, NotB and POM both got good MTV coverage, and even some of the Dianno albums to a lesser degree.
Wasn't it called Metal Mania or something like that?
I don't remember metal being treated any differently in the early days of MTV. I don't think there were enough videos for them to be that picky. I don't know if it was a blessing or a curse, but it seemed you'd always get a block that was Michael Jackson, Culture Club, Dio, U2, Men at Work and Ratt, just all hodgepodged together.
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Early on English bands made videos. Most American bands we're late to the Video Revolution. So MTV played a ton of British bands at first.
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Anybody else think of this 80s film scene when reading this last page...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmfd9etbXGE
:lol :lol
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Totally. I'm all oiled up as well.
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Have we done Journey yet king , cos that Neal Schlong is a really cool guitarist?
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Have we done Journey yet king , cos that Neal Schlong is a really cool guitarist?
LOL.
Totally. I'm all oiled up as well.
:corn
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While maybe not as classic as many of their 70s albums, The Game is still a classic Queen record. It has their biggest hit ever - "Another Bites the Dust" - and a handful of other hits, not to mention some good deep cuts. This album was a change of pace for Queen, too, as it was their first studio record to feature synthesizers. This is one of those albums you can just turn on and enjoy the heck out of for 36 minutes (yes, it is that short).
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Have we done Journey yet king , cos that Neal Schlong is a really cool guitarist?
He'd cause a chain reaction here.
Kev, I love this album. I had to buy ito twice on album. Sail Away Sweet Sister is my favorite on this album.
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Dragon Attack I came to appreciate when I got older. Now I really love it.
This has one of my top 5 Queen songs: Save Me. Brian May is aamazing.
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This was the first Queen album I ever owned. Still love every track to this very day. It was the last in a huge string of classic albums. Things got a lot more hit and miss after this.
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This was the first album I owned, period. The music store up the street ("music store," as in, store that sold musical instruments) had a little carousel full of cassette tapes on the counter, and they had this. I saved up my allowance until I had enough to bring it home. I loved pretty much every track. Sadly, I don't even remember the last time I owned a copy. :(
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Listening to it right now.
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This is a real nice album.
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Good stuff. Not my favorite Queen album, but solid.
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Really good rocking album that has some good songs apart from the obvious hits.
But the combination of 80s Classic Albums and Queen will always be "A Kind Of Magic".
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Standing Hampton is loaded with songs that are still classic rock mainstays. Of course, I live in St. Louis, where people think Sammy Hagar is a god, but I still think this qualifies as a classic album. It's easy to forgot how prolific Hagar was before joining Van Halen, but he had a ton of good songs in the 70s and early 80s, and this album is a fine example of how good he could be as a solo artist.
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Cool album - There's Only One Way To Rock and Heavy Metal are faves of mine.
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This was my introduction to Sammy's solo work. This album got me hooked.
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The first I knew of Sammy was in VH and There's Only One Way To Rock opened up Live Without A Net , which then got me investigating his solo work.
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I'm sure others will know what other videos of his were played in those days, but I Can't Drive 55 is the only one I remember seeing. Heck, my reaction when I heard he was in VH was, "The I Can't Drive 55 guy is the new singer." :lol :lol
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They played him a lot and I got to hear his song, Don Fleder & Cheap Trick on the Heavy Metal soundtrack. I got it for Cheap Trick though my cousin had standing Hampton which got me into Sammy after I got the soundtrack album.
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Solid album. Sammy is the man.
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I think I have a vinyl copy of this into attic. I wa never a big Sammy fan. It's not that I didn't like him...
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His best album. I;m no huge fan but he has a great best of.
I have a 7 inch picture disc with Piece Of My Heart on it.
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Sammy was EXTREMELY regional. (Back in the day when there was such a thing)
Seattle DJ's LOVED Sammy Hagar, and constantly grew up with multiple Hagar tracks on the radio. When the Internet age came along and people started saying they had never heard of him till I Can't Drive 55...I was shocked.
The following songs were played to death on Seattle rock radio. As in....played so often, you hardly needed to own the album...
This Planet's On Fire (Burn In Hell)
I've Done Everything For You
Plain Jane
Red
All 5 songs from side one of Standing Hampton
Three Lock Box
I Don't Need Love
Remember the Heroes
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Add to that list:
Your Love Is Driving Me Crazy
I was looking at the RIAA listings for his albums...his last 4 albums (edit- before he joined VH) were all Top 40 albums and two of them went platinum with one going gold. Did all of these albums just sell in certain sections of the country? I don't get why no one heard of him before VH. I mean, he wasn't VH huge, but with a dozen songs in rotation on rock radio (not even to mention his two *huge* hits with Montrose) the guy was not even close to being the nobody that people sometimes paint him out to be.
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People down here certainly knew who he was, but he didn't get much airplay until Standing Hampton and then he blew up with 3LB. But in any event I'm certainly surprised people didn't know him before VH. I saw an intereview where he said that joining VH was far from an easy decision, as he liked where his career was at and becoming a full-time member of VH would represent a significant pay cut at that point. Obviously it worked out smashingly for him, though.
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I don't get why no one heard of him before VH.
In my case at least it was an age and location thing. I was 12 yo when 5150 came out ,so I was doing okay just to be a Van Halen fan ;D And I'm pretty sure I can still say to this day that I have never heard a Sammy solo track on Australian radio. He just wasn't big out here - like a number of other American/Canadian artists in this thread (Squier, Triumph etc...)
If Wikipedia is accurate ,none of his albums charted outside the US.
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^^^^^^^
Yes, but there are many US fans that claim he was an absolute nobody before joining VH. Many online claim that they had never heard of him before he scored a "minor hit" with I Can't Drive 55. This was HARDLY my experience.
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jammindude, I think you nailed it earlier when you said he was regional. There are just some cities where he was and still is huge. I live in one of them (St. Louis).
Let me put it this way: every year during the NCAA tournament, KSHE-95 (our local hard rock radio station) does a bracket where fans get to vote for the best band, and the winner is always Rush (they are huge here, too), Zeppelin, Floyd or solo Sammy Hagar. Hagar has won it more than once. Think about that: Sammy Hagar being voted by fans as being better than Rush or LZ or Floyd. Sound crazy, but it just shows how popular he is here. KSHE was on board with him since the 70s, and Hagar has often spoke glowingly about both STL and KSHE.
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Even then, it's still *a bit* surprising considering that Montrose had *three* classic rock staples with SH as the voice. Space Station, Bad Motor Scooter and Rock Candy. The biggest of these is probably Rock Candy...I mean, that song is practically as big as Smoke on the Water. That song alone should make him bigger than a nobody.
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I wouldn't go that far. :lol ;)
I mean, Smoke on the Water has probably one of the two or three most recognizable riffs ever, but that is a whole other topic for another thread... :biggrin:
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Montrose wasn't even close to Deep Purple's popularity.
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I'd say that Montrose is completely unknown here. I wouldn't even know they existed if it weren't for Van Hagar. Pretty sure every man and his dog in the world knows Smoke on the Water though.
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Dat riff for Rock Candy???? People didn't know that???
I mean...that's one of the most famous riffs in the history of rock!!! Even Sammy says that whenever anyone jams with him, they don't want to jam to any VH song or any solo song....Rock Candy is the song he's most known for.
"'Rock Candy' is like a standard for bands like Def Leppard or The Cult. Over the years, anybody who wants to jam with me wants to jam 'Rock Candy' - Chad Smith, Joe Satriani, Matt Sorum, Slash. Lemmy from Motörhead came up to me at a show in England, and what did Lemmy say? 'Fucking Rock Candy, mate.'" - Sammy Hagar
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Nope. Regional. I wouldn't put it on any list of famous rock riffs. I couldn't even remember how the riff went despite knowing the song. :lol
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I have the album and Rock Candy doesn't register with me :lol If there's one track I associate with Montrose it's Rock The Nation and ,less so , Bad Motor Scooter.
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Hagar is a good guy, but he has the tendency to, well, overhype himself and his own music.
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Well...come on. He could've "picked" anything. Why not brag about one of his solo pieces instead of a riff that someone he famously doesn't get along with wrote?
EDIT - Look it up and I promise you. Rock Candy has been *covered* more than any other song Sammy has sung.
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Hagar is a good guy, but he has the tendency to, well, overhype himself and his own music.
There's also the bias that a rock musician who wants to jam with Sammy Hagar is going to be familiar with Sammy Hagar's music specifically.
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Hagar is a good guy, but he has the tendency to, well, overhype himself and his own music.
Yeah, he does. I think that was one of the things that bugged me about his book.
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After posting Rock Candy on Facebook and asking locals to back me up, I discovered something I *did not* know.....apparantly, Sammy has several relatives in this area. Some of them apparently have some pull with local radio.
I'm JUST NOW learning this, so it explains A LOT! :angel:
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I've never encountered anyone that was actually listening to rock radio at that time who claimed that they had never heard of Sammy before he joined Van Halen.
However, even though his solo stuff was played a LOT down here, I still - to this date - have never heard anything from Montrose on the radio, ever.
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My cousin who is 44 and grew up in the Bay Area just told me that Rock Candy and Bad Motor Scooter were constantly on the radio down there...though he did say he always thought they were Hagar songs. He wouldn't discover that they were actually Montrose tracks til later.
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People down here certainly knew who he was, but he didn't get much airplay until Standing Hampton and then he blew up with 3LB. But in any event I'm certainly surprised people didn't know him before VH. I saw an intereview where he said that joining VH was far from an easy decision, as he liked where his career was at and becoming a full-time member of VH would represent a significant pay cut at that point. Obviously it worked out smashingly for him, though.
Our radio station only played I'll Fall In Love Again and There's only One Way To Rock. And like Bart said, his career really took off with Three Lock Box. He was absolutely peaking when the VH thing came along. No wonder it was a tough choice. IF VH came calling in 1982 or 1983, there would have been no reason for him not to join.
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Okay so kinda off topic but are we gonna have another thread like this *puts on glasses* for the 90s? :hat
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Okay so kinda off topic but are we gonna have another thread like this *puts on glasses* for the 90s? :hat
No. Because any classic albums of the 90's would involve albums that are detested in the prog rock community at large. Example...you could not have that thread and not include Nevermind....and then the entire thread would just turn into a bash session.
I defend Kurt's icon status, but I get crickets every time I do.
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What? Come on jamin! That's the worst excuse to not do one. I openly welcome that thread!
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So, is the tide turning then?
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That's a silly reason, and one that is untrue. Many of the albums I have featured in this thread so far have been not prog at all, yet it's not turning into a bash session.
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I was in the uk and I knew who Hagar was before he joined VH. not that his music was played on the radio here because I'm sure it wasn't. Can' t remember when I first heard of him but it may have been the Heavy Metal film.
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That's a silly reason, and one that is untrue. Many of the albums I have featured in this thread so far have been not prog at all, yet it's not turning into a bash session.
Yes that's true. But I've just always seen grunge get a special level of hate. Obviously, things have come around.
As for me, I'm just too close to it, and tend to be a bit of a hipster on that particular genre.
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Grunge is not the only style that came out in the 90's and there is some great grunge albums to boot.
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I never claimed it was the ONLY thing. It was simply the dominating trend.
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Just to list some of my favorite grunge bands,
Soundgarden
Dishwalla
Alice In Chains
Pearl Jam
Days Of the New
Smashing Pumpkins
STP
Candlebox
Silverchair
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Grunge is not the only style that came out in the 90's and there is some great grunge albums to boot.
Wut? :lol
King..start a Classic 90's album thread.
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Come on now Tim. Each decade has great music and some shit.
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Come on now Tim. Each decade has great music and some shit.
The 90's had some great shit and some music. :D
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See! You were just too high to remember. :lol
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My cousin who is 44 and grew up in the Bay Area just told me that Rock Candy and Bad Motor Scooter were constantly on the radio down there...though he did say he always thought they were Hagar songs. He wouldn't discover that they were actually Montrose tracks til later.
Well, keep in mind that Montrose was a Bay Area band. But even with that being the case, I can tell you that "constantly" is WAY overstating the case. Montrose got a fair amount of play. So did Sammy. But not as much as you would expect a local band to get. And, yes, I grew up in the Bay Area listening to KOME, KRQR, KSJO and the like (heck, I even remember when KMEL was a rock station--I doubt your 44 year old cousin's memory reaches back that far), so I say what I say from experience.
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Come on now Tim. Each decade has great music and some shit.
The 90's had some great shit and some music. :D
:lol
And I want to see The King's best of 90's grunge thread - there's plenty of hotspot areas in the world at the moment that could start World War III but this could just beat them all to the punch ;D
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:lol
Guys, guys! Grunge isn't the only music to come out of the 80's! :lol
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Sammy's solo stuff is some of my favorite. Rock Candy is a bad ass riff, without question. In my opinion, Two Sides of Love, from VOA, is one of the most outstanding things Hagar ever recorded.
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Just to list some of my favorite grunge bands,
Soundgarden
Dishwalla
Alice In Chains
Pearl Jam
Days Of the New
Smashing Pumpkins
STP
Candlebox
Silverchair
No Mudhoney? :tdwn
Also,I'm seeing them live tomorrow. :metal
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:lol
Guys, guys! Grunge isn't the only music to come out of the 80's! :lol
You're right. There was also Sludge. :D
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I will so tank your roulette just to send you bands you hate and I will love having you listen to them. :lol
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Just to list some of my favorite grunge bands,
Soundgarden
Dishwalla
Alice In Chains
Pearl Jam
Days Of the New
Smashing Pumpkins
STP
Candlebox
Silverchair
No Mudhoney? :tdwn
Also,I'm seeing them live tomorrow. :metal
Never was a fan. sorry!
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:lol
Guys, guys! Grunge isn't the only music to come out of the 80's! :lol
You're right. There was also Sludge. :D
SHOEGAZE BEATS THEM ALL
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For pretty much all of 1988 and much of 1989, prior to my introduction to classic rock, ask me what my all-time favorite record was and the answer would have quickly been: Kick by INXS. I pretty much wore out my cassette of it with non-stop listens for that nearly 2-year span. Not only were the many hits all great, but the deep cuts slayed me as well. Listening to it again today, it is still just fantastic from start to finish; every song is a major winner. It's hard to believe that this record is now 28 years old :eek :eek, and even harder to believe that I can still recite "Mediate" word for word. :lol :lol My interest in INXS pretty much began and ended with this record, although there are songs on other albums I like, but oh man, what a record. It is a great blend of pop and rock. "Need You Tonight" was, at the time, my favorite song of 1987, which was saying a lot considering how much new music I heard that year, and back to those deep cuts, "The Loved One," "Tiny Daggers" and "Calling All Nations" are all as enjoyable to me still as anything else from this record. Honestly, I could not listen to this for years, and then turn it on and still know every single word to every song. That is how deep into my brain this record is embedded. :hat
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Man they took over the world with this album.
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Never really cared for these guys, this album included. Nothing wrong with it, but I just never really liked it either.
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Obviously INXS were never part of my playlists, but I always respected them as a band. I never heard a song by them and thought, man they suck. Michael Hutchence was a fantastic frontman, and his loss was a big one to the music world.
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I really liked them and their rocking side was real good. It c was this album that had them going into a dance styled music which turned me off after this album.
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I have mixed feelings about INXS - on one hand it was good to see local bands like them break big but on the other hand (as an Aussie) I suffered from massive over exposure to them on radio and TV.
I like some of their stuff .......Burn For You was a big fave when I was really young and also the more orchestrated stuff such as Never Tear Us Apart. But most of the songs with the sorta funky clean guitar (Need You Tonight and , especially, Suicide Blonde) I found irritating.
Michael Hutchence was a great front man in any case.
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I can't stand INXS personally. As Brent said the over exposure over here is just too much.
To me, their songwriting was too repetitive.
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I loved INXS. They were a great band, and this album in particular was outstanding.
I liked them so much I even watched that TV show Rocstar INXS where they found a new lead singer.
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I loved INXS. They were a great band, and this album in particular was outstanding.
I liked them so much I even watched that TV show Rocstar INXS where they found a new lead singer.
Too bad that guy they picked was a bit of a nut job. His voice fit nicely with them and the album they released with him was very good.
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^Agreed^
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Hmmm, I was hoping to see more live for Kick in there, but oh well. We move on to another classic from '87...
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Like U2, GN'R, Def Leppard and INXS, you simply could not avoid Whitesnake in 1987 and 1988, and the biggest reasons were "Here I Go Again," "Still of the Night" and "Is This Love," all of which were fantastic hits that did well on the charts and got played to death on MTV. I cringe every time I hear the single version of "Here I Go Again they recorded for the radio, with the upbeat first verse and added synths in the choruses. The album version is fantastic as is, with that sprawling first verse before they finally rock out. "Still of the Night" was the song that got me into Whitesnake and still crushes me every time I hear it; fantastic tune! And while the later 80s were full of cheeseball hair metal ballads, I think Is This Love manages to not be just a cliche; great song, with some tasty lead solos, and a memorable vocal melody. The summer of 1987 was so great, as a handful of us from our eight grade class spent the whole summer having fun for really the last time, before we all went to different high schools in the fall and ultimately different lives, and songs from their self-titled album, Whitesnake, were a big part of that soundtrack of the summer of '87. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Awesome album from an awesome year - made my all time top 10. 'Nuff said.
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Awesome album from an awesome year
Yup. Great rockers, great ballads, and great at everything inbetween. Some of those solos are absolutely incredible. :metal
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:2metal:
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This album proved (to me anyway) that Whitesnake was finished the moment Sykes left. Whitesnake was nothing before Sykes, and Sykes was involved in the only material that mattered. Getting Vai for the next album was just a stunt...and ended up sounding like exactly that.
The album itself is absolutely amazing. The only thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that the band you saw on the videos, and playing live (you know...the ones who got all the credit in the public eye) were NOT the performers of the music....nor were any of them involved in any way with its creation. Coverdale was a complete idiot to fire the entire band before it was even released.
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Whitesnake was nothing before Sykes
This is like the Hagar discussion in reverse. Hagar was/is a relative nobody outside the US in terms of album charts , even though he was big in the US. Whitesnake pre-Sykes were big in the UK and Australia (less so) long before Sykes arrived and in fact Ready and Willing (1980) @#6 , Come And Get It (1981)@ #2 charted higher in the UK than 1987 did ........although eventual sales of 1987 would win out.
The only thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that the band you saw on the videos, and playing live (you know...the ones who got all the credit in the public eye) were NOT the performers of the music....nor were any of them involved in any way with its creation. Coverdale was a complete idiot to fire the entire band before it was even released.
But.... but....... Cov had 3 keyboard players (not to mention Tawny doing Shaguar gymnastics) at the start of the Here I Go Again video which is very :metal ;D
I agree that was a shame and Sykes has been so unproductive in terms of quality output ever since. He was lined up to work with MP before Winery Dogs too. A real wasted talent IMO who could've done so much more than running the Thin Lizzy thing into the ground.
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Well....as a side note to your last point, the Blue Murder project was :metal It's just too bad that he didn't keep it going.
But that's another discussion.
Great album. Truly a classic. But in my mind, Sykes is the one who deserves the credit for it.
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The debut Blue Murder was half killer (Black Hearted Woman,Valley Of The Kings, Billy etc...), half filler (Sex Child, Jelly Roll) for me and the follow up Nothin' But Trouble and his string of solo albums were mostly very average , so IMHO he needs a good writer to work with in order to make the most of his playing talent. I blew so many $ importing those crappy solo albums :-\
And the Blue Murder was 1989 which is more what I was getting at. Aside from the live album Screaming Blue Murder which is quite good and the ballad album Loveland I can't think of anything he has done since 1989 that is much chop. There were some tidbits released in 2014 of some new solo material that sounded promising so hopefully that comes good.
Just another match made in heaven (Cov/Sykes) that couldn't get past the ego barrier.
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I did write a long reply, why 1987 is good but why I don't find it that great as others but got somehow lost and probably was tl;dr, so short form:
Good but not really great
Sykes is overrated
Crying In The Rain has probably the most stupid and most silly solo section in all of rock & metal
Tawny ;D
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I did write a long reply, why 1987 is good but why I don't find it that great as others but got somehow lost and probably was tl;dr, so short form:
Good but not really great
Sykes is overrated
Crying In The Rain has probably the most stupid and most silly solo section in all of rock & metal
Tawny ;D
:tdwn Don't diss Tawny man ;D
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No, that should mean that when I think of Tawny I have to smile. She was definitely one of the positive aspects of Whitesnake videos.
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You need a schwing emoticon Kwyjibo - this will have to do.
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Amazing, classic album.
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Yeah, "schwing" was the word I was looking for.
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Personally, I think this album is overrated. Hear that, people? O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D!
Side A was absolutely incredible. Stellar! But Side B was so full of filler it wasn't even funny. Seriously. If ever an album suffered from a Halo Effect, this is it.
Still Of The Night is one of my favorite 80's rock tunes. The song is just incredible. The Dunbar/Murray/Sykes lineup was absolutely killer.
And then it became a joke. Yes, getting Vai was a stunt, and as J Dude said, it felt that way. I have never taken Whitesnake seriously since.
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I overplayed the hell out of this album. Don't listen to it much. It's all my fault. got to see this tour with Dokken opening. Took a girl I was head over heels for. Thank you Whitesnake and Dokken for being my wingman.
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This album fucking rocks. All of it. John Sykes is a monster.
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The only song I don't care for too much is Children of the Night which always felt like the filler track to me.
Maybe it's just me - Chad would back me up if he was about - but aside from a couple of weak tracks I don't mind Slip of the Tongue at all - and for the record Coverdale and Vandenberg wrote that whole album (aside from the Fool For Your Loving cover) and Vai was a rather last minute replacement due to Vandenberg's hand injury and Vivian Campbell leaving. He had the unenviable task of taking Vandenberg's songs and , if memory serves correct , submitting tracks to Coverdale for approval with little to no studio time as a band. Under the circumstances I think he did a pretty remarkable job.
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The only song I don't care for too much is Children of the Night which always felt like the filler track to me.
I love that song. If we're talking the US version, I'd say the only filler song is Straight For The Heart, and maybe Don't Turn Away is a bit weaker than the rest, but I love that one too.
If we're including the European version, Looking For Love is definitely the filler-iest song.
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I overplayed the hell out of this album. Don't listen to it much. It's all my fault. got to see this tour with Dokken opening. Took a girl I was head over heels for. Thank you Whitesnake and Dokken for being my wingman.
I skipped it. Saw them open for Motley Crue the first time around in 1987.
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Really good album. The ballads are hard to listen to now, because for me they became WAY overplayed. But "Still of the Night" still kicks my ass, that's one hell of a song.
You guys can say Vai joining for the next album was a stunt, but there is some killer music on there, for me MUCH more appealing than anything else I ever heard from Whitesnake before the 87 album or since the Vai album. :metal
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The only song I don't care for too much is Children of the Night which always felt like the filler track to me.
I love that song.
I'm shocked ;D
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The only song I don't care for too much is Children of the Night which always felt like the filler track to me.
I love that song.
I'm shocked ;D
Shocked that my opinion is contrary to yours, or shocked that I love a song about being a night owl? :lol
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The only song I don't care for too much is Children of the Night which always felt like the filler track to me.
I love that song.
I'm shocked ;D
Shocked that my opinion is contrary to yours, or shocked that I love a song about being a night owl? :lol
Both. :)
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Trust Blob to love one of the weaker tracks and dislike one of the best. :lol
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Trust Blob to love one of the weaker tracks and dislike one of the best. :lol
Which one would that be? The only song I'd say I actually dislike is Looking For Love, which is piss weak, probably why it wasn't included on the US release.
And Children of the night is badass.
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Regarding Vai: I really like Slip Of The Tongue, mainly because of Vai. He just has that distinctable tone that so many other players lack. And he brings something fresh to the table.
And I saw the tour with him and Vandenbergh and they were killer (Poison and Aerosmith opened).
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Easily one of all time favs from the hair metal days. Played the living crap out of this album and I think it still sounds great.
Tons of great memories associated with this one!!
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Loved slip of the tongue as well. Especially Sailing Ships.
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Loved slip of the tongue as well. Especially Sailing Ships.
Great song, along with Judgement Day.
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Monster album. I have to put it on my list of greatest rock albums of all time. No use beating a dead horse--the reasons have all been stated already.
You guys can say Vai joining for the next album was a stunt, but there is some killer music on there, for me MUCH more appealing than anything else I ever heard from Whitesnake before the 87 album or since the Vai album. :metal
I completely agree.
I was fortunate enough to see them once on each of the tours for Slide It In, s/t, and Slip. Very different lineups each time, but each show was fantastic. I can't say which I preferred more. But it was REALLY cool seeing Vai do a couple of his solo tunes from Passion and Warfare. And the stage on that tour at the opening was pretty unique for its time as well.
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I saw them on the Slip of the Tongue tour too - I remember it quite well as I got an earful from my father about going to a concert the night before my final pharmacy exam ;D
Unfortunately the concert was crap. By that time Vai had been replaced by DeMartini (who I really like) but the sound was just atrocious and DeMartini didn't really fit the style anyway. And Vandenberg wasn't powerful enough to make up for Sykes or Vai.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/whitesnake/1994/festival-hall-melbourne-australia-53db976d.html
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Nice setlist. Was the Slip tour as late as 94? I thought it was earlier, no?
I think I went back and gave Slip a listen and was pleasantly surprised with a couple of tracks. Might have to check it out again.
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Nice setlist. Was the Slip tour as late as 94? I thought it was earlier, no?
I think I went back and gave Slip a listen and was pleasantly surprised with a couple of tracks. Might have to check it out again.
I suppose technically speaking it was probably the Greatest Hits tour. Slip was the last studio album though.
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Gotcha!
Too bad we didn't get more from the Coverdale/Page project, but then of course the Page/Plant tours were magnificent.
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Gotcha!
Too bad we didn't get more from the Coverdale/Page project, but then of course the Page/Plant tours were magnificent.
Yeah, I really liked Coverdale/Page.
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Amazing, classic album.
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Loved slip of the tongue as well. Especially Sailing Ships.
Great song, along with Judgement Day.
I'll give a +1,000 to both of those songs. The ending to Sailing Ships still makes me want to close my eyes and drift off into the waters.
Judgement Day always makes me think of Kashmir.
I entered the Whitesnake basket (get it, snake basket... nevermind) with Slip and then found the self-titled after the fact and was blown away. Especially by "Still of the Night". Keep in mind, I was 7 when this album was released!
And Vai's addition may have been a stunt, but it worked I think. Slip has it's own voice (especially when compared to the self-titled giant), and I think it's a good voice.
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The only song I don't care for too much is Children of the Night which always felt like the filler track to me.
Maybe it's just me - Chad would back me up if he was about - but aside from a couple of weak tracks I don't mind Slip of the Tongue at all - and for the record Coverdale and Vandenberg wrote that whole album (aside from the Fool For Your Loving cover) and Vai was a rather last minute replacement due to Vandenberg's hand injury and Vivian Campbell leaving. He had the unenviable task of taking Vandenberg's songs and , if memory serves correct , submitting tracks to Coverdale for approval with little to no studio time as a band. Under the circumstances I think he did a pretty remarkable job.
I'll happily stick up for you in Chad's absence. I like Slip, mainly for vai's involvement.it would have been average without him.
As for 1987, I loved it at the time and still do I guess but it's been overplayed. I prefer live in the heart of the city, slide it in and even saints and sinners though they lacked the polish in the production department that 1987 had. Cov's voice was going by then too.
As for Sykes,that first blue murder was very good, his stint with lizzy was good, but all those false harmonic squeals get on my tits after a while.
I really haven't enjoyed much of whitesnake's output since slip.
Live I always enjoyed the shows, even more recently when his voice was really not up to the job.
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Say what you want about hair metal, but I think the Guns N' Roses and Whitesnake albums have generated the most discussion so far in this thread. :lol
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But I wouldn't classify either band as Hair Metal, though the Whitesnake videos might beg to differ. A band consisting of Coverdale, Sykes, Murray, and Dunbar are anything but Hair Metal.
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True, but they had the same look (big hair, that looked like it was drenched in Aqua Net :lol) as other hair metal bands of the later 80s.
I was also a fan of the Coverdale/Page CD. Pride and Joy, Over Now and Take Me for a Little While are all killer tunes.
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Then Aldridge joined the band and upped the hair quotient exponentially.
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But I wouldn't classify either band as Hair Metal, though the Whitesnake videos might beg to differ. A band consisting of Coverdale, Sykes, Murray, and Dunbar are anything but Hair Metal.
I agree especially in the case of GNR. They were just raw hard rock that still sounds timeless today, and only went with the hair metal image very briefly on maybe the first music video.
Whitesnake 1987 was much more hair metal inspired, but Here I Go Again and Crying in the Rain were re-records of earlier songs, and while they sound the part on 1987, the original songs are bluesy rock, so the arrangements and production play a part there. But overall it's in line with other hair metal in most ways. Nothing at all wrong with that. ;)
Not a big fan of anything Vai, but Coverdale/Page was great.
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Probably just splitting..umm..hairs here.
This album was brilliantly marketed, riding the wave of the Hair Metal movement. And a track like Is This Love fit perfectly, especially with that video. They certainly teased their hair like no others. They definitely jumped on the look.
I'm just maintaining that the music on that album really has nothing to do with Hair Metal.
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Every band was influenced by the look though. Then Tesla came along and the look changed again.
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Then Aldridge joined the band and upped the hair quotient exponentially.
No doubt!
I actually had this poster:
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/lyricwiki/images/0/00/Whitesnake.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20101113151219)
Aldridge, are you f'n kidding me?? and put a shirt on Old Man!
And who's that in the middle? "Caitlyn" Sarzo?
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I'm surprised at the love for Coverdale/Page. I bought it with a big positive bias (as a huge Whitesnake fan) and my memory is of struggling to even get through one play.......presumably I thought it was awful. I'll have to revisit it.
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I'm surprised at the love for Coverdale/Page. I bought it with a big positive bias (as a huge Whitesnake fan) and my memory is of struggling to even get through one play.......presumably I thought it was awful. I'll have to revisit it.
I didn't think anything of it on first listen either, but I really liked it after a few listens to get used to it.
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It's been a long time since I listened to C/P and the Plant/Page album. I'll add the 80's know offs with Kingdom Come and Bonham's solo band as well.
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Not a big fan of anything Vai
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!
Also, yeah, C/P takes a few listens, and then it's like "Oh yeah, why haven't I listened to this more often?"
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I'm surprised at the love for Coverdale/Page. I bought it with a big positive bias (as a huge Whitesnake fan) and my memory is of struggling to even get through one play.......presumably I thought it was awful. I'll have to revisit it.
There's certainly nothing iconic on it, but I thought it was pretty solid. Nice to have Page playing hard rock again, for sure. He seemed into it. So much better than The Firm. My favorite was Whisper A Prayer For The Dying.
I think there is some filler, but it was decent enough.
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I was only a kid...but I thought Shake My Tree was awesome! I seem to remember that I really liked most of the songs from that album, I was just mostly into different things at that time in my life. I think it came out when I was at the peak of my thrash metal phase.
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True, but they had the same look (big hair, that looked like it was drenched in Aqua Net :lol) as other hair metal bands of the later 80s.
I was also a fan of the Coverdale/Page CD. Pride and Joy, Over Now and Take Me for a Little While are all killer tunes.
I guess I considered Whitesnake hair-metal; honestly I'm not sure. Looking back on it, I listened to bands like Def Leppard, Winger (yeah, yeah, yeah... Pull was my favorite of theirs), FireHouse, Skid Row (first album was hair-metal; from there on, straight up metal to me), Bon Jovi , etc. Whitesnake may have been the least hair-metal of the bunch (for me anyway). Skid Row will likely always be my favorite of that time period and type of metal though.
Personally, my musical horizions expanded quite a bit in 90 (I was 10) when I heard Empire by Queensryche and then in 92 when I heard I&W. I also got into Al Green and Jimmy Hendricks in the early 90's. The 90's were a great musical decade for me honestly!
I do vaguely remember Coverdale/Page... I'm going to look that up and listen to it. I'm sure I'd enjoy it being that I'm a big Zeppelin fan.
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There is no shame in liking Winger. No matter what TAC says.
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:lol
Shame on you vtgrad.
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Then Aldridge joined the band and upped the hair quotient exponentially.
No doubt!
I actually had this poster:
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/lyricwiki/images/0/00/Whitesnake.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20101113151219)
Aldridge, are you f'n kidding me?? and put a shirt on Old Man!
And who's that in the middle? "Caitlyn" Sarzo?
:lol
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:lol
Shame on you vtgrad.
Oh, I've had to endure shame ever since Stewart first appeared on Beavis and Butthead. You can't tell me that you don't secretly like Like a Ritual, Spell I'm Under, Lucky One, No Man's Land, or Blind Revolution Mad (I basically just named the entire Pull album :biggrin:).... I bet you'd even like Rainbow in the Rose if you listen closely to what Reb is doing. He's an underrated talent in my opinion... who has, coincidentally, broken pics with Whitesnake.
There, I brought the discussion full circle.
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I really cannot get on board with the loathing of Seventeen. It isn't like we couldn't all relate to the underlying message at some point in our lives. I play that song with unsurprising regularity. And when I do, everybody else in traffic gets the pleasure of revisiting it as well.
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That's really not appropriate.
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It isn't appropriate that the other people in traffic weren't already listening to it. Not only do most of them suck at driving, they apparently suck at music also.
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:lol I just never liked the song, period. And I was 18 (or maybe 19) when it came out.
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I really cannot get on board with the loathing of Seventeen. It isn't like we couldn't all relate to the underlying message at some point in our lives. I play that song with unsurprising regularity. And when I do, everybody else in traffic gets the pleasure of revisiting it as well.
Well, this, pretty much.
But really, most of their songs are pretty good. They were awesome musicians who wrote interesting music, with a good singer and a great guitar solos.
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Hef hath spoken.
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But the bands that REALLY rocked were Tyketto and Roxy Blue. Just sayin'.
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:metal
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I was gonna ask how the hell this discussion turned to talking about Winger, but since they have zero chance of having an album featured in this thread, have at it. :lol :lol
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Time for a new album, Kev! :lol
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Bryan_Adams_-_Reckless.jpg)
I never realized it at the time, but this record was loaded with almost nothing but major hits. This was back when he could still rock a little bit, and most of the hits from this did rock pretty good. "Run to You" remains by far my favorite Bryan Adams song to date; I never tire of that song. I have to admit I have never heard the few deep cuts from this album, but Reckless is nonetheless a classic record.
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I haven't listened to anything of his in ages but I think I preferred Into The Fire , which was where my interest ended. In any case Reckless and the albums from around this era were all quality rock and his offsider Keith Scott is a tasteful player.
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My god this was a monster album. Still, no nonsense, fun hard rocking tunes.
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I never realized it at the time, but this record was loaded with almost nothing but major hits.
Very true. This album was impossible to avoid. The many hits were played constantly. But while I did not dislike them, I never grew to like them either. This was another accidental Columbia House acquisition. But unlike the other one mentioned in this thread, this one did not end up clicking with me.
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Very good rocking album, full of great songs and not a single filler tune. My favorite album from him.
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Fantastic album from a great songwriter. Pretty much all killer, no filler with this one.
TAC will probably not like it.
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:lol
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I haven't listened to anything of his in ages but I think I preferred Into The Fire , which was where my interest ended. In any case Reckless and the albums from around this era were all quality rock and his offsider Keith Scott is a tasteful player.
I was let down by Reckless after loving this album. Still love it. Run To You is great and has some personal memory stuff attached too. A greatest hits album really.
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Oh man... absolutely awesome album. Summer of '69, Heaven, Run to You, and It's only Love were my favorites. I played my first six until my fingers bled too... wish I still had that much time to play.
I will say though, that Into the Fire carried my all-time favorite Bryan Adams song... Heat of the Night.
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:corn
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Amazing album !
I do love Bryan Adams and have done since WUTN in 1991 - which some people say is inferior to Reckless but I owned so many copies of WUTN :D
Keith Scott is a fantastic lead guitarist & Bry's voice is awesome.
Kids Wanna Rock :metal
I was a bit disappointed that every album since WUTN has been gradually softer and shorter but BA isn't immune to the advances of time I suppose.
18 Til I Die is a weird album, but has some corkers on and On A Day Like Today is great. Room Service and 11 are patchy but decent :)
And I don't care about his new covers album :P
Oh and I always preferred BA to Bon Jovi and Aerosmith etc.
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never mind.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/TalkingHeadsRemaininLight.jpg)
Despite being an 80s guy, I never heard this entire album until somewhere around the mid 00s, and when I do, it knocked my socks off. "Once in a Lifetime," the hit, was the only song I knew from it, and while that song is great, every other song is fantastic as well; the consistency of this record is staggering. The rhythms and beats they use on this album are so damn great. This is one of those albums that was definitely ahead of its time. I know Talking Heads aren't everyone's cup of tea, but take 40 minutes out of your day some time and listen to Remain in Light; you'll be glad you did.
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I really wished I liked the Talking Heads more. Once In A Lifetime was outstanding.
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As much as I liked the song, I never got into their music or albums. I would make a greatest hits for myself if I knew of a friend that had their CD's.
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Talking Heads made some good music, including this album, but a lot of the time I had the impression that they weren't sounding weird because that was their natural expression, but they were being weird for the sake of being weird. I dunno, but I was never able to get into them very much.
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I used to think that, too, hef, the being weird for the sake of being weird thing, but I changed my tune once I heard all of their core albums. There was a method to their madness. And seeing David Byrne as a solo artist back in '08 was great; people were literally dancing in the aisles to Burning Down the House. :hat
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He is a weird dude though. Really weird.
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Genius album. Side A with Born Under Punches, Crosseyed and, especially, Great Curve is superb. Then, you have one of the best Talking Head songs with Once in a Lifetime.
Seriously, this is one of the best albums to appear in this thread so far imo.
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I couldn't have named a Talking Heads song before I read this just now , but after trying a couple of songs (Once In A lifetime rang a bell) I can safely say they don't resonate with me at all. One of the few albums mentioned in this thread where I would say that though......
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The only TH song I know is Once In A Lifetime :p
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To me, Remain In Light is a prog album. I believe it was the driving influence for King Crimson's great comeback album, Discipline.
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To me, Remain In Light is a prog album. I believe it was the driving influence for King Crimson's great comeback album, Discipline.
That's interesting. I have no doubt that you are right.
I rented Discipline from the library a few years back and couldn't get through Elephant Talk. I brought it back a half hour later! :lol
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To me, Remain In Light is a prog album. I believe it was the driving influence for King Crimson's great comeback album, Discipline.
That's interesting. I have no doubt that you are right.
I rented Discipline from the library a few years back and couldn't get through Elephant Talk. I brought it back a half hour later! :lol
:lol I actually played Elephant Talk for my wife to let her hear the lyrics, which I find to be wonderfully creative. She could barely sit through it, all the time giving me this look like "why?" That said, you should've given the rest of the album a chance :)
Certainly there's a great similarity between Belew and Byrne in their neurotic-sounding vocal style.
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Elephant Talk creative? Elephant Talk Talk Talk Talk..
Should I use 6 Talks or 7 Talks here?
Yup, I can see how that would be maddeningly creative! :lol
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Well, give it another listen. The lyric is a wonderful play on words. :) And I love Adrian Belew imitating elephant sounds with his guitar.
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OK. Tomorrow after work.
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Brilliant album. The rhythms, production, everything makes for a classic 80's album. Great dance record as well.
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I love the rhythms in Discipline, as well as in Remain in Light. I understand the immediate turn-off one might get from Elephant Talk, but really there is a lot of great music on that album. Back to Talking Heads, I get the impression there's not a lot of for them on DTF. Remain in Light is one heck of a great album. Around the same time period David Bynre and Brian Eno released My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, which is a very odd sounding album, but an interesting listen and I think ground-breaking at the time.
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Really love Remain In Light but believe it or not I actually prefer Discipline over it. :eek
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I have never owned or listened to an entire Talking Heads album. But no good reason why not. I have really liked everything I have ever heard.
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Not one for me to comment on. Never heard it and only know Once In A Lifetime by them . Decent song but like the Tears For Fears, don't think it will be anything I would be interested in.
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He is a weird dude though. Really weird.
He definitely is. :lol
Seriously, this is one of the best albums to appear in this thread so far imo.
Preach it! :coolio :hat
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/ZZ_Top_-_Eliminator.jpg)
I suspect a lot of rock purists wretched when this came out, seeing the blues rock band suddenly awash in synthesizers and drum machines, but they managed to create a monster album, with a handful of classic tunes. "Gimme All Your Lovin'" was the first ZZ Top song I ever heard, on MTV of course, and it remains probably the songs of theirs I revisit the most. MTV was very kind to ZZ Top, whose main three videos from this record all featured the red ZZ Eliminator car and the ZZ Top girls. I was never overly wild about "Sharp Dressed Man" or the less-heralded "TV Dinners," but "Gimme All Your Lovin'" and "Legs" were and are both still great. "Got Me Under Pressure" was a smoking rocker, too. I don't really remember the deep cuts very well, but regardless, Eliminator is a classic 80s record.
(https://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4611972/zz-top-legs-o.gif)
:hat
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I only know the hits (and had forgotten all about TV Dinners until you mentioned it. :lol ). But the hits and videos from this album were iconic.
We cover Sharp Dressed Man in my covers band. Fun little tune to do live, and a few interesting little intricacies that I would not have picked up on from just casually listening to them.
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Definitely an 80's classic. Man, MTV played the shit out of those videos.
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The sound definitely changed from their blues beginnings, but it was forgivable given the awesome songs that resulted. What a great album.
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A great album. I'd never heard them before this and didn't like much after but this one hit the spot. The videos helped but that tone!
Not a filler in sight either.
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Casual fan of ZZ Top, but I enjoy all their songs when I hear them
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My friend had a funny theory that this album is really one song. You the play the album at normal speed and it "Gimme All Your Lovin"". Play it in reverse and it's "Sharp Dressed Man". Play it on it's side and it's "Legs". :lol
Ect. :lol
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Casual fan of ZZ Top, but I enjoy all their songs when I hear them
And responsible for one of the flattest gigs I've ever seen. I can't even remember what year - all I remember is looking across at the guy (biker) next to me around halfway through and he was sitting down - like almost everyone- having a snooze. They didn't say anything other than perhaps the odd song name - just played their stuff and walked off.
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How come the guy named Beard doesn't have one?
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How come the guy named Beard doesn't have one?
How come the guys with beards aren't named Stache?
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How come the guy named Beard doesn't have one?
How come the guys with beards aren't named Stache?
Why is the song called Legs, but they play it with their arms?
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For the same reason the guys in Winger weren't Seventeen ;D
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Did they use Viagra in the making of the 3 videos for this album? How else could they spin those guitars?
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For the same reason the guys in Winger weren't Seventeen ;D
Nor did they have wings .
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For the same reason the guys in Winger weren't Seventeen ;D
Nor did they have wings .
I am glad to see you removed the second bit :P ;D
Did they use Viagra in the making of the 3 videos for this album? How else could they spin those guitars?
All it takes is some "hard" training -no need for drugs :)
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I Need You Tonight is a forgotten classic. And I *LOVE* TV Dinners.
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For the same reason the guys in Winger weren't Seventeen ;D
Nor did they have wings .
I am glad to see you removed the second bit :P ;D
I figured it'd be redundant.
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I like this band quite a bit although I rarely return to them. It's hard for me to remember the deeper cuts on Eliminator as well, but the hits are really good. Got me under pressure has always been a favorite of mine.
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While they did tap into the 80's sound, they did maintain their core sound. Love all the hits from this one and surprised no one has given any lovin' to "Thug".
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My preference:
'70's ZZ Top :hefdaddy >>>>>>>> '80's ZZ Top
I love everything they did up to and including Deguello, then for me it went downhill fast.
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Classic album for sure. I'm not that big of a fan of ZZ Top but I like the blusier stuff before this, I really like this album and I like some of the stuff after this album. I've seen them once on a festival in 94 as headliners and they were really cool and rockin'.
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Petrucci was really good in ZZ Top.
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Pincushion is probably my favourite ZZ song.
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Speaking of 80s, a while ago for whatever reason I decided to return to Afterburner. It's quite a catchy record, although strikingly different from their other stuff. It's an example of an all-80s ZZ Top, since Eliminator has more bits that sound like classic ZZ Top.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/Queensryche_-_Operation_Mindcrime_cover.jpg)
It's always nice when something lives up to enormous hype. When I got into 'Ryche in the early 90s, thanks to the Empire singles, Operation: Mindcrime was hyped up to me as being this totally awesome piece of music that I just had to hear, and when I checked it out, I was like, yep, it is that good. Pretty daring album for its time, too, considering it was 1988, when hair metal reigned, so a metal band with progressive tendencies releasing a full-fledged concept album could have been career suicide, but instead it vaulted them even further up the ladder of success. I love the fact that this isn't a concept album that doesn't beat you over the head with reprises, yet it still sounds very cohesively conceptually, and the story itself is told well. Trying to pick favorite songs from this is always impossible, but it almost always an album that if I randomly pick any song from it to listen to, I usually leave the rest of it on. It has aged extremely well, and is a true classic record.
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Fantastic album. I was thrilled when this came out. After loving the EP and Warning, and not quite "getting" RFO, O:M was a refreshing return to form.
What's amazing is that once the album starts, it doesn't let you up for air until you're halfway through. My only gripe is that I feel it dips a little after The Needle Lies, but ends extremely strong with Eyes.
I rank Tate's performance as one of my all time Top 3 Vocal performances (the other two are Kiske/Keepers Pt.2 and Labrie/I&W).
This line in The Mission still gives me goosebumps.
"It turned my liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife around"
Saw them a number of times on this tour. First time was opening for Def Leppard in 9/88 "in the round", and I thought they were great.
Unfortunately, they seemed to lose all charisma though on the End Stage opening for Metallica in 89, where Tate wearing sunglasses was a complete turn off for me.
I distinctly remember reading an interview at the time with someone in Iron Maiden talking about how they thought they had a good concept album (7th Son) but that the QR album blew theirs away.
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Joint best album of all time for me. Says it all.just about perfect and the segues add to the atmosphere.
Interesting that you mention seventh son as I remember kerrang magazines review ranked OM behind it as the story wasn't as clear. Fucking idiots.
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Still not QUITE as good as Rage for Order (their masterpiece) but I was so happy to see them finally getting some recognition. I had been in love with Rage for Order for over a year, and when I heard they were going to do a concept album, I was completely blown away.
Act I blows Act II out of the water by miles. I was always a bit disappointed with the second half of the album. Breaking the Silence feels like pop fluff, and I never much cared for the verses of Eyes of a Stranger either....the verses just don't feel like they go with the rest of the song. It's almost like You Not Me in reverse. You know how YNM is all dark and brooding in the verses, and then just suddenly gets all light and fluffy on the chorus? Eyes of a Stranger feels like that to me at the beginning. The intro is all dark and moody, and they we get this light, happy bright soft guitar piece....IDK, it just never fit to me.
The rest is stellar....and the section from Speak thru Suite Sister Mary could be the most stunning section of prog metal ever written. That is the cornerstone of the album to me, and SSM is the greatest single song QR ever recorded. All in all, an absolutely fantastic album. It deserves all the praise it gets....even if it's for the wrong tracks. :angel:
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I still remember being at a party rocking my glorious mullet and hearing this album over the speakers. I stopped a kid freaking out. "IS THIS THE NEW RYCHE"? (So cool wasn't I? :lol) He told me yes. I went out the next day and bought it and played it a thousand times pissing off my parents. :metal
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Joint best album of all time for me. Says it all.just about perfect and the segues add to the atmosphere.
Interesting that you mention seventh son as I remember kerrang magazines review ranked OM behind it as the story wasn't as clear. Fucking idiots.
Kerrang at that point was basically an Iron Maiden newsletter.
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Best album ever!
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This was the album that had all my music friends and I in unilateral agreement that Queensryche was really good. Before this album, there was a debate. But it was a secret band for musicians. Empire was the album where everybody at the high school knew their name. That was a strange day.
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Joint best album of all time for me. Says it all.just about perfect and the segues add to the atmosphere.
Interesting that you mention seventh son as I remember kerrang magazines review ranked OM behind it as the story wasn't as clear. Fucking idiots.
That's so stupid. The story in SSOASS falls apart multiple times while OM stays consistent and clear throughout.
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Meh.
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my introduction to QR...I played the hell out of that cassette.
remains top 5 all time. :metal
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my introduction to QR...I played the hell out of that cassette.
remains top 5 all time. :metal
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I knew I would be in the minority on this one.
Don't care for it, never did.
I thought QR was a talented band, but most of their music never really resonated with me (although I think that Empire is a fantastic album).
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Fantastic album, probably their best one.
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I knew I would be in the minority on this one.
Don't care for it, never did.
I thought QR was a talented band, but most of their music never really resonated with me (although I think that Empire is a fantastic album).
Empire is my favorite QR album.
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Yeah, this is a terrific album, one of my all time favorites. Too bad not a single one of their other albums is nearly as good.
It's interesting to hear that back in the day there were comparisons between O:M and SSOASS, I just hope people gave up arguing which one is better and decided to love them both. :metal
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The rest is stellar....and the section from Speak thru Suite Sister Mary could be the most stunning section of prog metal ever written.
I agree that that is the best section of the record. The Mission and Suite Sister Mary are my two favorite songs from this record, which sort of contradicts me saying yesterday that it is impossible to pick my favorite songs from this :lol, but when I read your post, I was like, yep, that is pretty much right.
The cool thing about this record, too, is that it has more universal appeal than you might think. I used to work with a couple guys who weren't really big fans of metal or prog, but loved this record nonetheless.
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It is an excellent record. I had it on cassette initially and completely wore out side A, at least until Suite Sister Mary, which I only listened to if I was listening to the entire tape. Spreading the Disease was probably my favorite, although I liked everything else except SSM (I think it was Pamela Moore's voice that turned me off). At the time, I mostly only listened to I Don't Believe in Love and Eyes of A Stranger on side B, but the deep cuts grew on me as I got older.
It's interesting that the guys in Maiden said they thought that Seventh Son was good, but that Mindcrime blew it away. I didn't get into Maiden yet for another few years, because No Fear for the Dying was out at the time, which wasn't the most representative introduction to them. I did get into Seventh Son (and all of Maiden's discography) by the late nineties, and would have to say that Seventh Son is close. Scenes From A Memory is still the best concept album, in my opinion.
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It's interesting to hear that back in the day there were comparisons between O:M and SSOASS, I just hope people gave up arguing which one is better and decided to love them both. :metal
They came out relatively close to each other and were both huge releases. I was basically alternating between the two. I wish I could cite the passage/ source of the quote.
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Pretty good album! :tup
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I had to feature a soundtrack at some point, and I think most would agree that the Dirty Dancing one is loaded with classic tunes, many of which are from the 50s and 60s. The new songs written for the film are pretty iconic, most notably "(I've Had) The Time of My Life," the main song from the film; very enjoyable tune, and it's impossible not to think of the end of the film when hearing it. Even though you don't think of Patrick Swayze as a musician, I've always thought "She's Like the Wind" was a nice song; "Hungry Eyes," on the other hand, is just okay, although I know it was hugely popular. It's kind of bizarre that "Do You Love Me?" was left off of this, later put on the More Dirty Dancing soundtrack. Overall, the film has a really good selection of songs, and the soundtrack reflects that.
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See,this is one of the albums i can never ever "get" cause i wasn't around at the time. But yeah I don't have any interest in this. :lol
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I always liked Hungry Eyes. That guy was the lead singer for the 70's band,"The Raspberries".
Every soft rock station that every work place had on over the store speakers played these 3 songs you mentioned Kev, on the hour, buy the hour. :lol. It was too much.
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If this comes on the radio I move like the wind to another room :biggrin:
But yes..........I must admit there's a lot worse songs than She's Like The Wind and Hungry Eyes - better written and performed than most of that style and preferable to a lot of today's popular music to my ears. But that's probably not saying much.
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Um..TAC is taking a day off from the Classic 80's Album Thread.
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A little late, but here's my review of Mindcrime (https://echotester.blogspot.fi/2015/06/queensryche-operation-mindcrime-1988.html). To put it short, I prefer Rage, but O:M isn't too shabby either. The Mission and Eyes of a Stranger are amazing songs! :hefdaddy
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SYLVIAAAAA?????
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Nobody puts baby in a corner
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Um..TAC is taking a day off from the Classic 80's Album Thread.
I'll join you
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Um..TAC is taking a day off from the Classic 80's Album Thread.
I'll join you
:lol
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The Time of My Life is a beautiful song. :)
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You guys are losers. This is a fantastic album, chock full of timeless wonderful music. And that Hungry Eyes song.
Some of you guys sound like you never listen to anything that isn't filled with power chords and guitar solos.
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I always liked Hungry Eyes.
I always get a kick out of the fact that in the film, near the end of the song is when Swayne was inadvertently tickling Jennifer Grey, and both her laughing and his exasperated reactions were totally real, not scripted.
SYLVIAAAAA?????
I have to admit that I really dislike that particular song. That guitar tone just annoys the piss out of me. :lol :lol
The Time of My Life is a beautiful song. :)
Indeed, it is.
You guys are losers. This is a fantastic album, chock full of timeless wonderful music. And that Hungry Eyes song.
Some of you guys sound like you never listen to anything that isn't filled with power chords and guitar solos.
:lol :coolio :hat
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I'm not familiar with this soundtrack but "Be My Baby" is one of the best pop songs ever :tup
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I nominated another soundtrack to be included in this thread. Let's see if it will show up. ;)
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While this is probably an iconic 80s soundtrack, I've never seen the film, I've got no interest in seeing it and I've made a vow that I will never see, even under force. :xbones
Time Of My Life is the most annoying and terrible song of the 80s.
She's Like The Wind is listenable when it comes on the radio, typical 80s production with top-notch studio musicians that make up for the lack of singing talent.
KITSCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I liked the soundtrack to Footloose better. :hat
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You guys are losers. This is a fantastic album, chock full of timeless wonderful music. And that Hungry Eyes song.
Some of you guys sound like you never listen to anything that isn't filled with power chords and guitar solos.
As usual, Hef is right. This got a lot of spins on my record player back in the day
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You guys are losers. This is a fantastic album, chock full of timeless wonderful music. And that Hungry Eyes song.
Some of you guys sound like you never listen to anything that isn't filled with power chords and guitar solos.
As usual, Hef is right. This got a lot of spins on my record player back in the day
If two wrongs make a right, then yes, Hef is right :biggrin:
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Yeah, surprised Footloose didn't come first when talking about 80's soundtracks
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I liked the soundtrack to Footloose better. :hat
That is also an outstanding soundtrack.
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A little late, but here's my review of Mindcrime (https://echotester.blogspot.fi/2015/06/queensryche-operation-mindcrime-1988.html). To put it short, I prefer Rage, but O:M isn't too shabby either. The Mission and Eyes of a Stranger are amazing songs! :hefdaddy
Late to the party as well. I have kind of lost interest in Mindcrime over the years. Part of that is Geoff Tate's fault for touring the album TO DEATH over the years. And part of it is that I think I just outgrew the story/themes. But that being said, I still have to acknowledge that this is a fantastic album. This is one of those albums that changed everything for me in terms of the way I viewed music. Before this, my interests were mainly straightforward '80s hard rock/metal, new wave, and pop. This album was the first think I listened to that was really dark, intellectual, and progressive. There was a guy in my Marine Corps unit that had been saying this was the best album ever and that I HAD TO listen to it. I borrowed it from him, and it didn't click right away. But I gave it a couple of listens and warmed up to a song or two maybe the second time through. But what hooked me was seeing a cover band at a local club a few months later. They did a cover of I Don't Believe In Love. A little while later in their second set, the singer said that they don't normally do this, but there was a guy stationed there who was really missing his home in Seattle and who was a total Queensryche freak, and wanted them to play ANYTHING from Queensryche. That was the only song they knew, so they played it again. I really took notice of the song and went back and played the album, and it just hit me like a...two-ton...heavy thing.
The album had already been out a long time, but I was just discovering it, and as I played it over and over again, it became a permanent part of the soundtrack of that summer, along with Y&T's Ten album and Whitesnake's Slip Of The Tongue. When Empire came out a short while later, those two albums combined catapulted Queensryche to the top of the heap where they would remain my favorite band until 1999.
Some of you guys sound like you never listen to anything that isn't filled with power chords and guitar solos.
It's like we've been having this relationship for all these years, and you are finally JUST NOW getting me.
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It's like we've been having this relationship for all these years, and you are finally JUST NOW getting me.
*returns bath towels*
*slightly damp*
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Hand it over in the Mod's chat room you.
It's weird for me, I've never been a soundtrack guy, I think I own 2 for non album songs. (Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure & The Last Action Hero) otherwise, I just don't by them. That being said, I heard these songs a million times.
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Yeah, The Last Action Hero had an awesome soundtrack. I think I may have also gotten the soundtrack for Shocker.
I also have the soundtrack for Legend (old Tom Cruise fantasy movie) with music by Tangerene Dream. Used to love that one during the :hat days.
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Yeah, The Last Action Hero had an awesome soundtrack.
Yes, in that case the soundtrack was much better than the film.
Same thing with Purple Rain.
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A portion of Dirty Dancing was filmed in Mountain Lake, VA. My grandparents are extras in the background in the dining hall, eating and at the beach, playing cards.
In a completely unrelated bit of info, I saw a stripper dance to Hungry Eyes once. It was unbelievable. It had never occurred to me to that point what an amazing stripper song it is, but it was really quite perfect.
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I love you so much.
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I love you so much.
:-*
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I can picture Hef running toward Coz and they pull off that dance move after reading the last 2 posts.
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Don't have much to say about the Dirty Dancing soundtrack. But I highly recommend The Crow and Romeo + Juliet soundtracks. So I missed the album and the decade with those two.
Top Gun soundtrack? Has Take My Breath Away and the cool Steve Stevens instrumental theme.
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Top Gun soundtrack? Has Take My Breath Away and the cool Steve Stevens instrumental theme.
and...
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Have at it... :biggrin:
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Not much to say here, so I'll just let you guys run with it.
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Can anybody name a Kenny Loggins song that was a hit that wasn't a soundtrack song? The man had so many hits and for the life of me, it's all soundtrack songs.
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Heart to Heart (which was the first song by him I ever heard). Kind of a cheesy song, but I like it, especially since it was on my first list of favorite songs I ever did (when I was like 9 :lol).
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Now I have to youtube it. I don't remember it. :lol
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I could see you not remembering it. I made that list right after we had gotten MTV, so most of the 25 songs on it were songs prominently played on MTV and/or the radio. It's likely that that song just happened to be at the height of its popularity at the time.
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Can anybody name a Kenny Loggins song that was a hit that wasn't a soundtrack song? The man had so many hits and for the life of me, it's all soundtrack songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpr8WTqUZp4 (with Stevie Nicks)
Top Gun is one of the few soundtracks I ever bought (that's well known anyway) along with a Rocky or two :) Good album - Danger Zone , the anthem - always liked Mighty Wings from Cheap Trick too......and the Mr Mister.
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I bought the Top Gun soundtrack just for Berlin's Take My Breath Away and the Steve Stevens theme. The rest is meh to me. Have a memory of this soundtrack playing endlessly when I visited a friend at his dad's military base in Tempe, AZ. They picked me up at the airport and took a pretty long drive back to the base with this soundtrack playing nonstop in his dad's new red Hyundai Excel hatchback.
Jester's dead.
Rocky
I was gonna mention this one with Top Gun, but Gonna Fly Now was from the 70s. The Rocky IV soundtrack would be the best one, but it didn't have Gonna Fly Now on it. If the Rocky IV soundtrack doesn't scream 80s, then nothing does.
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Can anybody name a Kenny Loggins song that was a hit that wasn't a soundtrack song? The man had so many hits and for the life of me, it's all soundtrack songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpr8WTqUZp4 (with Stevie Nicks)
Top Gun is one of the few soundtracks I ever bought (that's well known anyway) along with a Rocky or two :) Good album - Danger Zone , the anthem - always liked Mighty Wings from Cheap Trick too......and the Mr Mister.
Holy Crap. That was a big song. There's one I remember.
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So my recommendation is featured. ;) The Top Gun soundtrack occupied number 1 in the Billboard for 5 weeks.
Can anybody name a Kenny Loggins song that was a hit that wasn't a soundtrack song? The man had so many hits and for the life of me, it's all soundtrack songs.
My favorite from him is Conviction of the Heart. It's popular in environmentalist circles.
This is my favorite recorded version of it. The percussions and drums at the end are great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XXEcOi35tM
Another popular song from him is Forever, which is a big hit here in the Philippines. It's still on regular rotation in FM radio stations here. The ending makes it a videoke favorite. And the Steve Lukather outro solo is :metal
He also did "What A Fool Believes" although the Doobie Brothers version is the one that became popular.
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Kenny Loggins was on about every freaking soundtrack album I bought!
Footloose, Dirty dancing, Beverly Hills cop, Running scared?
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This thread made me look for Kenny Loggins in Youtube.
He can still sing Forever even in his mid-60s. Amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHK9TDoj870
Too bad they cut out the Lukather guitar solo.
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Not sure this soundtrack is really "iconic", although it definitely has a couple of good songs.
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a few months ago I tried tweeting to Kenny Loggins everyday about making another kick-ass movie song. Made it about 3 weeks before I gave up.
He never responded. :sad:
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I think one day was enough for that one. :lol :lol
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First off, before someone jumps in and says, "This album is from 1979," I realize that, but it came out in late November of 1979, so it was for all intents and purposes an 80s album, especially when you consider a film was made about it and released in 1982. This is an 80s record.
Now, on to the record: this was a life-changing piece of music for me. I remember being amazed at the music when I first watched the movie in the fall of 1990, and days later when I bought The Wall on cassette, I wore that thing out in a matter of months before getting a CD player and make it the first CD(s) I ever bought. Prior to this, the only Pink Floyd song I really knew was "Learning to Fly." This was a whole different thing, obviously. I considered this my all-time favorite album for many years, and while I probably do not anymore, I still love it just as much, and it is probably the album that was the biggest influence on me as a music fan. Just a stellar piece of art. :coolio :hat
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I remember that when I was in school a classmate once played this to me in his home. I think this was around 1981or something and I was about sixteen years old. Absolutely couldn't get into it. I was just getting into bands like Maiden, Priest and stuff and it was totally boring to me.
A couple years later I borrowed it from someone and the music and concept just hit me like a ton of bricks.... It's still a bit much too take in, but it's an epic release.
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good album!
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Not their best one, but definitely a good one. It's too uneven in quality for me to rank it as their best or as a masterpiece, but the high points are incredible.
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It's alright. It's a beast live though.
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This album is remarkable. Seeing it performed live by the almighty Roger Waters was a life-changing experience.
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Not their best one, but definitely a good one. It's too uneven in quality for me to rank it as their best or as a masterpiece, but the high points are incredible.
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Not their best one, but definitely a good one. It's too uneven in quality for me to rank it as their best or as a masterpiece, but the high points are incredible.
ftfm, this is a masterpiece and for me this is the definition of a concept album done extremely well. But it's not their best.
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If this is to be considered an 80s album (which is fine by me), then this is unquestionably Pink Floyd's finest album of the 80s.
Plus it is just awesome, regardless of when it came out.
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IMO, The Wall was the fourth consecutive masterpiece released by PF.
Dark Side of the Moon
Wish You Were Here
Animals
The Wall
Talk about an incredible 4 album run! :hefdaddy
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I have never owned this album. I need to change that.
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First when I saw the title change, I was like, really, he's going to talk about Momentary Lapse?! But this is much better. The Wall is greatness. Comfortably Numb still remains one of my favorite PF songs. That guitar solo, evolved to eargasm levels by the time Pulse came out
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Wow, I was expecting much more discussion on this one. Perhaps it has been discussed so much over the years already.
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I always say if you don't have something good to say, don't say anything! :)
Except for Promised Land! :D
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Wow, I was expecting much more discussion on this one. Perhaps it has been discussed so much over the years already.
That's why I haven't commented.
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I have to admit that I have zero memory of this record. My brother Mark is a huge fan of Tom Waits, and played me a bunch of stuff over the years, including a lot of Rain Dogs, but none of it ever appealed to me. It is definitely considered a classic, however, and I'll be curious to see how many fans of his are here.
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I have to admit that I have zero memory of this record.
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Tom Waits is incredible, and this is one of my absolute favorite albums.
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You know what's weird? I've been on a huge Tom Waits "discovery" lately, but I've ashamedly missed this entire decade. I'm all read up on his 70's jazz/blues/beat poet stuff, and his 90's experimental/borderline industrial stuff. But I've never heard anything from the 80's.
When I get done with my 58/hr work weeks...I'll remedy that as soon as possible.
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Tom is in the same boat as Dylan. Brilliant songwriter, can't listen because of their voices.
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Tom is in the same boat as Dylan. Brilliant songwriter, can't listen because of their voices.
This, kind of, but his voice isn't as bad as Dylan.
Incredibly gifted songwriter. Good album. But I don't listen very often at all.
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As a fan of Dylan,I'm having some difficulty getting into Tom Waits but yeah this is an excellent album. :tup
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I know there will be some saying, "This is a classic album?", but when you sell 10 millions of a single album, that is pretty damn good. Perhaps I am letting my bias show through, as I absolutely love this record. I listened to it yesterday on a long drive and enjoyed the hell out of it like I always do. Every track is a winner. Of course, as a prog fan, I am sure I am supposed to hate it, since you have four guys from some of the biggest prog acts of the 70s coming together to make pop rock instead of going full prog, but the end result was great. Each song is loaded with hooks, the playing is fabulous, the album sounds great, and we do get little proggy moments in there, just in small doses instead of going bananas with full-fledged, bloated instrumental sections. This album is, to me, great proof that prog musicians, when they want to, can make songs that are catchy, short and concise. So yeah, I am definitely a big fan of Asia. :tup :tup
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A masterpiece! To this day. I can crank this album all the time!
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The only Asia album I've really listened to, but boy is it great. Every track is catchy and well done.
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one of the first albums I ever owned and basically my intro to progressive music as well.
and one of the coolest album covers of all the times.
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Love it! And yes- it is an awesome album cover. So beautiful in fact that I recently bought it on vinyl despite not even owning a record player.
Thanks king
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Great album. When I first heard it I hadn't heard anything by any of the band other than Video Killed The Radio Star so wasn't expecting much. What I got was an excellent piece of hard rock wi great playing and porgy arrangements.
I'm not a great prog or Yes fan and the solo in HotM is a jarring moment (and very prog), but yeah, I love this album. the follow up was too wimpy, but I did like Astra. The rest has been a bit of a joke with constant lineup changes and mediocre albums. Started well though.
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This is a really great album and that opening riff is the heaviest thing Howe has ever done :laugh:
This album rocks and every song is good to great, only prog-snobs complain about the minimal prog elements. My only (little) complaint is, that some of the songs fade out too early.
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It's a fantastic album, full of great songs. What's not to like?
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To me, Asia was the perfect Summer-time hanging out at the mall kind of music. Unfortunately every release they've had since that debut, while solid, never achieved the same impact.
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And now comes Orbert with the dissenting opinion...
In 1982, Yes was gone. Emerson Lake & Palmer were gone. King Crimson and their semi-offshoot U.K. were gone. Pink Floyd tore down the wall and went home, Genesis was around but had turned to pop dreck, the list goes on and on. In the early 80's, there was no prog scene.
I was at the store and saw this album, with the unmistakable Roger Dean cover. Updated for the 80's, which is cool, but still obviously his work. Some new band called Asia. And a sticker on the front which simply said
Asia Is:
Steve Howe
Carl Palmer
Geoff Downes
John Wetton
Holy shit! A prog supergroup! From the ashes of several great prog bands, the first real supergroup arises! I grabbed it, of course, took it home and put it on.
What the fuck??!
That wannabee crooner John Wetton, who had discovered his commercial streak with King Crimson and used it to destroy U.K. had finally found an outlet for his sappy, crappy songs. Steve Howe was reduced to playing power chords. Carl Palmer is completely wasted playing 4/4. Geoff Downes sounds great, yet incredibly boring and cliche.
So that was my introduction to this band and this album. Listening to it today (which I actually never do), sure, the playing is top-notch, the songwriting is tight, the production is slick but without the 80's-style overdoing everything (just some things). Okay fine, I admit it, this is a great album. But clearly my expectations were way, way too high. I was expecting prog, and instead got pop. It's really good pop, with occasional prog overtones, but overall it was a massive disappointment. I think the last time I tried to listen to this album was three or four years ago, maybe more. Good stuff, but if I wanted regular pop music, I'd... wait. I never want regular pop music, no matter how well it's played.
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Good stuff, but if I wanted regular pop music, I'd... wait. I never want regular pop music, no matter how well it's played.
So, prog snob? ;)
This thread is pretty fun. I wasn't into a lot of this stuff when it was actually happening. I was still young enough that the search for "my music" was still in its infancy. But I definitely remember Heat of the Moment. This thread has me constantly going to YouTube, checking out the album and then realizing "Wait. I know this. And I liked it. But it was too far in my rear view mirror by the time I seriously started building my music collection, so it was overlooked."
I don't think it would be as much fun if you weren't around in that era, because I'm not just remembering the song. I'm remembering my particular group of friends at the time and the things we were doing when these songs were on the radio.
Side note, nostalgic era TV shows are good for this too. Hear a song playing on the show. Recognize it but can't name the artist or song title. So I press Closed Captions, get a phrase and Google. Last night it was this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=32&v=-OO9LloDSJo) in the background of Halt and Catch Fire. I can't listen to these songs objectively because they hold so many good nostalgic feelings that it is impossible not to enjoy it.
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And now comes Orbert with the dissenting opinion...
Holy shit! A prog supergroup! From the ashes of several great prog bands, the first real supergroup arises! I grabbed it, of course, took it home and put it on.
What the fuck??!
That wannabee crooner John Wetton, who had discovered his commercial streak with King Crimson and used it to destroy U.K. had finally found an outlet for his sappy, crappy songs. Steve Howe was reduced to playing power chords. Carl Palmer is completely wasted playing 4/4. Geoff Downes sounds great, yet incredibly boring and cliche.
I agree with all of this. It's a nice album and all, but man, what a waste of talent.
I don't think it would be as much fun if you weren't around in that era, because I'm not just remembering the song. I'm remembering my particular group of friends at the time and the things we were doing when these songs were on the radio.
I know what you mean. Even the albums that I didn't like or own invoke a flood of memories.
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Good stuff, but if I wanted regular pop music, I'd... wait. I never want regular pop music, no matter how well it's played.
So, prog snob? ;)
Kinda. I prefer music that's more challenging to the listener, and presumably more challenging for the performer, but I also like me some good old rock and roll. Where I draw the line is what I call pop music, that is, music specifically written to be popular, to pander to what people will like. Sure, most artists would love it if their music was more popular, but when you feel like the music is trying to being popular, I get turned off. I don't like feeling manipulated. Every song is verse, chorus, verse, solo/bridge, chorus and fade out. The closest thing to a mood change is like in "Only Time Will Tell" when it cuts to half tempo. It's otherwise all the same key and meter, no challenges. It's pop. There's no challenge there for either the performer or the listener.
I have no problem praising the music as well written and well played, because it is, and I won't put people down for enjoying it, which hopefully helps me avoid the "snob" label. It's clearly meant to be enjoyed. There was a time when I would slam on people "for actually liking that shit" but I like to think that I've grown up just a little bit. That, to me, is the difference. Everyone has different tastes, different preferences, but when you start denigrating what others clearly like, that's what makes you a snob.
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I get where you are coming from, Orbert, and you always explain your positions and thoughts well! :tup :tup
However, I don't think it is fair to say that Steve Howe was reduced to playing power chords. While he never stretches out like he did with Yes, he has tasty leads all over the place on this record. For example, that middle section of Without You is absolutely dynamite.
Plus, I think he and Downes do a lot of cool interplay with one another. Those breakdowns following the choruses in Cutting It Fine are just awesome. Howe is playing that sweet ass lead, while Downes keys kind of bubble up along side, giving a pretty bad ass overall effect.
To each his own, though. :)
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Oh man, am I gonna have to listen to this album again? First, I have to find it again.
It was so disappointing at first, but then after a while, I did get to where I kinda liked it. Our drummer convinced me to accept it for what it was. "This is the music these guys are making now." I do recall finding some things to like; it's just not an album I seek out, not with so much other stuff out there.
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I'm with Orbert....only with the caveat that it reminds me that pop CAN be really excellent when it's done by people who know how to write music.
You know what this album reminds me of? A really great ELO album. There's a band that's never really been considered "prog" (though they have released at least one "concept album") but they write WELL WRITTEN pop songs. They actually make pop an art form. I believe Asia accomplished that same thing here.
Yes, it's disappointing if you're expecting the 80's version of Transatlantic...but they did accomplish something else that was wonderful.
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I think your preconceptions of their other bands lead to to think it would be uber proggy. I remember reading interviews were they stated they wanted to write a less proggy but catchy tunes that still had elements of prog.
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I definitely had preconceptions. But this was 1982. There was no Internet. There may have been interviews in magazines, but I never saw them. I was living in a house with three other dudes, all of us struggling to pay the rent and feed ourselves. All I knew is that no one was making prog anymore, then four musicians from prog bands I'd known had gotten together; the results had to be prog. I was wrong.
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Oh, I totally get that. I was just talking about perception and how maybe I look at it differently because I read those interviews.
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Oh, I totally get that. I was just talking about perception and how maybe I look at it differently because I read those interviews.
I think that plays a big part (maybe the biggest) in judging this record. If you want prog and you expect prog because of the musicians, you will be disappointed. And once you have that impression it's hard to come to a different conclusion.
I for one didn't know who was playing in Asia when I heard Heat Of The Moment, Only Time Will Tell and Wildest Dreams. I liked the songs, later I bought the album and then I saw that it was mostly prog-musicians. But by then I didn't care that it was not proggy.
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Well they are great songs.
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So were these interviews out, like in Circus or other trade mags, before the album came out? People knew what to expect? I really don't know. I missed a lot of the 80's. I didn't even listen to much radio back then. Playing the album "cold" as I did was quite a shock.
If I had no idea who was in this band, I still would've recognized John Wetton's voice, but I would never have guessed that the band was all former (at the time) prog musicians.
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My definition of pop is alot different to Orbert's :biggrin:
Whilst it's certainly not a prog album its a long way from pop. More a "rock" album if anything.
But yeah, Wetton's vocals are the weak link but there is a helluva lot more going on in the instrumentation than you generally find in a pop album.
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When this album came out, I didn't know WTF a "prog" was. I just knew that the songs I heard on the radio and saw on MTV kicked ass, so I bought the cassette, and it also kicked ass.
I had, as yet, not discovered prog.
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Yeah, it wasn't "prog" or "progressive" back then. At the time, the term I heard most often was "art rock". But this was still well after I'd grown up on Yes, King Crimson, and Emerson Lake & Palmer, so it's not unreasonable to expect that a band made up of all guys from those bands would create music in a similar style.
I never bought the CD, and I don't seem to have an mp3 version of the album anywhere, so it's going to be while before I listen to this album again. I still have the vinyl of course, and a working turntable, but I must wait for the appropriate time for that. I was hoping to spin this on my iPod and get a fresh perspective.
The one album I have of theirs in digital format is Pheonix from 2008. That's the one I remember listening to. Praised by fans and critics alike, it was said to be a return to form as well as a return to the original lineup. It sounded like it. Good stuff, well-written and well-produced, just nothing that really grabbed me enough to make me want to listen to it again.
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So were these interviews out, like in Circus or other trade mags, before the album came out? People knew what to expect? I really don't know. I missed a lot of the 80's. I didn't even listen to much radio back then. Playing the album "cold" as I did was quite a shock.
If I had no idea who was in this band, I still would've recognized John Wetton's voice, but I would never have guessed that the band was all former (at the time) prog musicians.
Yeah Bob, it was Circus & Cream. Then it was confirmed on the world premiere on the radio with the interviews between the songs.
Remember though nights staying up to here them?!
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Oh yeah. Red Beard and Scott Neely and their midnight interview shows (which our local station mercifully played at 11:00). I loved those guys.
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I would stay up all night just to tape them before the albums came out.
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I never did that. I'm not sure why. My stereo at the time was an all-in-one thing with the tuner, turntable, and tape deck all in one, so it would've been no effort at all to record it, but I just never did. Tapes were for recording music.
I liked hearing the interviews after the albums came out and I was familiar with the music. I don't think it was a matter of trying to stay spoiler-free; in general, I think it was just more interesting to me to hear them talk about it if I'd already heard the album. Talking about something that may or may not turn out to be any good probably sounded too risky to me. Even back then, that would've been my thought process.
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I agree with Lowdz, in that calling this straight pop sounds not right. Sure, it is similar to a lot of the other pop in 1982, but it still rocks enough to be called rock, which is why I always call it pop rock.
And I consider this the brother of 90125. They are very similar in style, sound and approach.
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This next entry comes recommended by kingshmegland...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Play_Deep_cover.jpg)
I have to admit that I was never much fond of The Outfield. The lead singer looked like a lot like kid I never liked in grade school, so it was always a bad association for me. I will admit that "Your Love" is annoyingly catchy, and whenever I hear it on the radio at work, I can't help but tap my foot to it. :facepalm: The other hits from this aren't bad by any means, but this is just a band I could never like much. Play Deep was a hugely popular record, regardless, so what the hell, have at it. :lol
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:lol
This album had three bonified radio hits. I loved that jangly tele sound and the catchy harmonies.
Little fact here, they started as a Police cover band and would sneak their songs into the setlist.
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Not to pull a Kotowboy here ;), but the songs by this band I always liked a little were Since You've Been Gone and Voices of Babylon (from subsequent albums). In fact, I had completely forgotten about the latter one until I just listened to it and was like, "Oh yeah, that song is good." Damn it. :facepalm: :biggrin:
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I'm calking you out as a closet fan since you knew that. :lol
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I don't know what you are talking about.
*runs and hides*
:biggrin:
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Don't think i've ever heard a note by them, though Ive heard of them.
The word "jangly" puts me off somewhat :biggrin:
and I don't like telecasters for some reason. Maybe due to that stunted little pickup and the fact it looks like a guitar made from bits that were lying around in a car factory or something. Or that Status Quo used them. And they sound "jangly"...
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It's not 60's and 70's jangly, it has distortion on it. Not the music you normally listen to Lowdz but the do have some good rocking, melodic tunes.
I love their second album the best. Bangin'.
The main writer and guitarist John Spinks passed away from his second bought with cancer in 2014.
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I will admit that "Your Love" is annoyingly catchy, and whenever I hear it on the radio at work, I can't help but tap my foot to it.
I'm the opposite. As soon as I hear that guy's screechy, whiny voice, I can't change the station fast enough. Hopefully I can get to it before the line "I just want to use your love tonight". I can't believe anyone would ever want to hear that. What a horrible lyric.
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I think I remember what this band sounds like and I think I remember that I didn't like it. Refreshed my memory on Youtube and yes, I don't like it.
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I think I remember what this band sounds like and I think I remember that I didn't like it. Refreshed my memory on Youtube and yes, I don't like it.
I remember checking them out back in my more AOR days and I can't say they stood out to me -nothing terrible but didn't grab me at all either.
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I may be the only fan on this site. :lol
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Possibly.
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while I don't this particular album I do have the Outfield's "Greatest Hits".
I noticed that after a few songs, they pretty much sound all the same and I'm okay with that.
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They have that one song that I still hear every once in a while that Orbert hates the lyrics to.
Other than that, I don't really care about this band. Never cared enough to dig deeper.
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You tubed them and it's all very pleasant. Far too soppy for me and the guys voice puts me off too. Needed a big beefy rhythm guitar under it to liven things up.
Music for guys who will always be in the "friend zone". :biggrin:
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Music for guys who will always be in the "friend zone". :biggrin:
I wouldn't classify Outfield as prog.
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Music for guys who will always be in the "friend zone". :biggrin:
I wouldn't classify Outfield as prog.
What? Prog fans have friends?
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I'm bi-musical. :lol
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I'm bi-musical. :lol
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I'm a whore Tim.
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So basically, nobody considers this a classic album except for kingshmegland. :biggrin: :lol
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No. But I guess it we all discovered a new form of birth control.
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So basically, nobody considers this a classic album except for kingshmegland. :biggrin: :lol
Actually I think Bangin' is their best slbum. This is the more known because of the radio hits sucka! :lol
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No. But I guess it we all discovered a new form of birth control.
There are so many other albums for that! :lol
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So basically, nobody considers this a classic album except for kingshmegland. :biggrin: :lol
:lol
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I've never heard of them
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I see a lot of people here stuck to one style of music. SHAME ON YOU ALL!! :lol
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I see a lot of people here stuck to one style of music. SHAME ON YOU ALL!! :lol
Well I listen to country AND western :biggrin:
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Ouch. Hey, we all can't like the same music. I think Kev will ban me from picking albums soon.
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I see a lot of people here stuck to one style of music.
Yeah, the good kind!
I think Kev will ban me from picking albums soon.
You picked this?? :lol
What's next? Thompson Twins??
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WHAT?! Tim, the Outfield = Thompson Twins?? :lol
It's like I don't even know you. :lol
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:lol
OK
Outfield=Greg Kihn? That better?
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:lol
A little. Still he's a solo guy. Like Brian Addams. Just not as good. I do have his greatest hits which is really 3 songs. :lol
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Well, that 3 more than The Outfield! :yarr
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Well, that 3 more than The Outfield! :yarr
:lol
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Wrong! The Outfield had 5 top 20 hits! Nee Neer! :lol
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Just joshing. Couldn't resist! I'm pretty sure the Outfield's drummer played on Alice Cooper's Last Temptation.
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So basically, nobody considers this a classic album except for kingshmegland. :biggrin: :lol
Actually I think Bangin' is their best slbum. This is the more known because of the radio hits sucka! :lol
That's not a classic, either.
You're just weird.
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I never said classic. That's Kev's thing. I just asked for popular albums and that album did sell 3X Platinum.
I am weird though. :biggrin:
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I never said classic. That's Kev's thing. I just asked for popular albums and that album did sell 3X Platinum.
That's because you bought 2 million copies.
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Like Brian Addams.
Who is this guy, is he from the Addams Family? :angel:
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Like Brian Addams.
Who is this guy, is he from the Addams Family? :angel:
He's the father of course! :lol
I never said classic. That's Kev's thing. I just asked for popular albums and that album did sell 3X Platinum.
That's because you bought 2 million copies.
:lol
I did by 2 copies. Album and CD.
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I'm a whore Tim.
I can attest to this.
I found an acoustic version of Your Love a long while ago... kinda cool. Taking stock of my iTunes library, I have a grand total of 3 songs in my library by them - and 2 of them are "Your Love". :lol
Guess I'll need to Spotify this album later. Or Bangin.
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But it's not heavy enough Chaaaaaaaadddddd!
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Just listened to this. Mediocre is about as positive a think I can put. Don't mind the vocals, but musically it's just meh.
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So yeah, The Outfield's "classic" album generated more discussion than The Wall.
:eek :eek
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Another coming up later tonight...
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You should have me pick more albums Kev! :lol
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I'm not falling for that one. ;) :lol
The next choice I had thought about featuring at some point anyway, but the recent jingle.boy recommendation made me decide to do it today.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/RobertPlantNowAndZen.jpg)
Some albums are more 80s classics than maybe all-time classics, and I think Now and Zen falls under that banner. I have to admit that I have always loved this record - I owned it on cassette first back in 1988, and when I switched over to CDs, this was one of the first 10-15 I made a point to get. So yeah, it's a longtime favorite. I suspect many LZ fans hate the slick and 80-sounding vibe of the record, especially in something like "Tall Cool One," but in 1988, I only knew Robert Plant as that guy who had those great tunes from five years ago ("Big Log" and "In the Mood"), so getting new stuff from him was great. I loved the first hit, "Heaven Knows," immediately, and I still remain impressed at how strong ALL of the deep cuts on this record are. "The Way I Feel" and "White, Clean and Neat" are particularly notable as favorites of mine. And the other hit, "Ship of Fools," was one of the best hits of 1988. Great record. :hat
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The last few picks have made me remember just how much bad music there was in the '80s.
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I will now slap bosk1 across the face.
This album it my favorite Plant album. To this day I play the hell out of it. I just played it this week at work.
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I will now slap bosk1 across the face.
Promise? :heybaby:
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The last few picks have made me remember just how much bad music there was in the '80s.
Let's leave Y&T out of this.
Yeah, I went there. :coolio :hat
This album it my favorite Plant album. To this day I play the hell out of it. I just played it this week at work.
:tup :tup
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I will now slap bosk1 across the face.
Promise? :heybaby:
:zydar:
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I believe I have this 80's purchase somewhere.......and yet I never felt the compulsion to by an album from Led Zeppelin at the same time . I really enjoyed Heaven Knows as a kid - it was on regular radio play in Australia- but I can't remember much else. Will give it a play soon-ish to refresh the memory.
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Contrary to Kev, I couldn't stand the stuff that Bobby Plant put out between the end of Zeppelin and this. Hated it. I understand he was going anti-Zeppelin, and also understood why. So, when this came out, and he finally embraced his roots, it was like ... well, I dunno. Just a huge sense of relief and gratitude that he went back 'there'. I still like Fate of Nations over this, but it's a great 80s album. It's got a vibe of it's own... it's not truly classic rock, not glam, not metal, not hard rock... and certainly smokes anything Y&T ever made. :P
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... and certainly smokes anything Y&T ever made.
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:lol
I do love that Plant always takes a musical direction not expected.
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I imagine the heads of hard rock LZ fans exploded all over the place when they hear they heard the beginning of Walking Towards Paradise. :lol :lol
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They lost their minds on Shaken N Stirred. Kev, do you remember the story of Plant playing that Led Zep mash up on Tall Cool One and Page thought he was insane? :lol
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I actually do not.
I barely knew the hits from Shaken N Stirred, only knowing Little by Little, well, a little :lol, which I never cared for, so I never bothered checking that record out.
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I marked out so bad for this album that on the softball team I was playing on that summer, I got the number 1, and labeled my name "Tall Cool".
... and certainly smokes anything Y&T ever made.
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Now and Zen is my favorite Plant solo album, but Pictures at Eleven is a close second. I thought they were both very good, with some of the same mojo I loved about him with Led Zeppelin, and some different stuff as well.
I also have Shaken 'n' Stirred, but I honestly don't remember it very well and haven't played it in 30 years. (In other words, since shortly after I got it.) I remember it not working for me as well, although I seem to recall the final cut, "Sixes and Sevens" being rather interesting, and "Little By Little" is one of my favorites.
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I marked out so bad for this album that on the softball team I was playing on that summer, I got the number 1, and labeled my name "Tall Cool".
That's awesome.
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Now & Zen is OK.
I've actually enjoyed the music Robert Plant has put out in the last decade or two much more than his 80s output.
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I never cared for any of Plant's albums except Pictures At Eleven, which is killer. It still gets regular spins from me to this day. Cozy Powell was immense on Like You've Never Been Gone.
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Never liked his voice and so trying a solo album by him would not be a good idea. Sorry Chad.
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Never liked his voice and so trying a solo album by him would not be a good idea. Sorry Chad.
You're forgiven. We all have our faults.
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Never liked his voice and so trying a solo album by him would not be a good idea. Sorry Chad.
You're forgiven. We all have our faults.
If it helps I'm loving the kingcrow. And my father in law loves this album and zep/ Plant in general.
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Robert Plant's voice was actually better in the 80s, IMO. Sure, the rougher and grittier edge that he had in the 70s was perfect for LZ's sound, but his voice aged well in the 80s.
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Robert Plant's voice was actually better in the 80s, IMO. Sure, the rougher and grittier edge that he had in the 70s was perfect for LZ's sound, but his voice aged well in the 80s.
:iagree: Except for the 'better'. It aged well, and he's still got it. But for me, 70s are his prime years.
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Led Zeppelin is my #1 favorite band, but I never owned a Robert Plant album.
Listening to Now and Zen, it might as well be Robert Plant singing on a Simple Minds album.
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When Led Zeppelin ended, Robert seemed determine to not just make solo albums that sounded like Zeppelin. He couldn't exactly change his voice, but he dabbled in all different styles, which is what I'd expect of a singer. Also, it was the 80's by then, so the Simple Minds comparison is valid. But I like Simple Minds, too, so that's not a problem for me.
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Remeber too, for this album, he assembled a band of young, hungry musicians to make this album. He got rid of the band that for the most part played the first 3 albums. He was going for that new sound.
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Ah, I didn't realize that. Other than knowing that Phil Collins and Cozy Powell had played drums on some of the early stuff, I didn't pay much attention to who was in the band. I don't think I ever knew any of their names.
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I've listened to this a couple times in the last two days, and I have to say that this really has held up well. Yes, it is very much of a product of its time - it sounds very 80s - but every song has really nice melodies and there are a lot of both vocal and instrumental hooks in nearly every song. :tup :tup
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This one comes recommend by TempusVox...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/BillyIdolRebelYell.jpg)
It's easy to forget, but in 1982-1983, few artists were played on MTV as much as Billy Idol was, and all four hits from Rebel Yell were played non-stop. The title track was one of those rockers that seemingly made non-fans fans for at least a while, but I was always partial to Eyes Without a Face, which had that killer rocking breakdown in the middle, which to me is the coolest part of any Billy Idol song ever. Having Steve Stevens on the guitar sure did help his overall sound. I have a feeling this will become a general Billy Idol discussion more than anything, so have at it. :biggrin:
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Rebel Yell is a great song,dont care for the rest of the album.
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While I liked his songs, I never bought an album of his. Not sure why.
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Only ever had the greatest hits package - Vital Idol. It was always a fun listen.
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I am not a big fan of stuff like Eyes Without A Face/Flesh For Fantasy but when Idol rocked with Steve Stevens they were right up there with my favourite radio rock. Love the title track.
it was only a little while back that I tried to track down the live version of Mony Mony ,which has one of my favourite Steve Stevens solos in it and that wasn't as easy as I thought. I never realised it was a non-album single . Released in 1987 of course :hefdaddy
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Billy Idol is one of those guys who I really can't say I "like" -- I don't have any of his albums, nor would I go out off my way to listen to his work -- but he did some great songs. Catchy, rocking, great songs. And Steve Stevens was definitely a standout in that band. I have both Bozzio-Levin-Stevens CDs and they kick major ass.
Yeah, the double-time breakdown in "Eyes Without a Face" is clever and perfectly executed. The video makes it even better.
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Can't stand Billy Idol.
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It is hard to keep track of what we already discussed (I thought we already did this one).
My top two are Eyes Without a Face and Flesh for Fantasy. I absolutely love those songs. Steve Stevens really did some amazing stuff with Billy Idol; especially for the time period.
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It is hard to keep track of what we already discussed (I thought we already did this one).
Every album we have discussed is listed in the first post of this thread. :)
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The only Billy Idol album I own is his greatest hits package from 2001. It includes a cover of Simple Minds' Don't You (Forget About Me) that is so similar musically that is about 75% likely to be mistaken for the original. I am not sure if Idol has had any hits since 2001. Are there any deep cuts that are good enough to justify buying the original albums?
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Every album we have discussed is listed in the first post of this thread. :)
I know. I didn't mean it was repeated. I just meant it felt like we already discussed it (before checking). That's gonna be a pretty common deja vu feeling with unquestionably classic albums.
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I am a big Steve Stevens fan but apart from the three big singles I'm not a billy idol fan.
Steve Stevens Flamenco a go go is a great album.
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So, I don't see the Billy Idol discussion going much further, so how's about we get back on track with an album that would never make someone say, "This is a classic?"
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/Metallica_-_Master_of_Puppets_cover.jpg)
I think it can be argued that this is the most classic metal album ever, and for good reason: it is pretty freaking awesome. I remember when I got into Metallica in 1996, knowing the sterling reputation Master of Puppets had and thinking that it wouldn't live up to the hype, but I was wrong; it was better than the hype! Not only was it heavy as shit, with bone-crushing riffs slamming you left and right, but it was surprisingly melodic, too, which a lot of metal, quite frankly, is lacking in. Eight songs, all of them fantastic tunes that are classics. The all-out speed metal tunes, "Battery" and "Damage, Inc.," are always my least favorites, but I still enjoy the hell out of them. The title track is probably the most classic of all the tunes here, and it is nothing short of outstanding, but I have always been partial to the back-to-back-to-back of "Disposable Heroes," "Leper Messiah" and "Orion." Lastly, :metal :metal.
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my favorite from Metallica
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my favorite from Metallica
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Hopefully, this doesn't devolve into "I like this Metallica album better" and stays on discussing Master of Puppets, which is the whole point of this thread. :biggrin:
And debating over which is the best Metallica album has been done to death in the Metallica thread, so let's leave it there, eh? ;)
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The real shocker. Saw them on this tour. Never owned the album. I know that's hard to believe but I was never really into Metallica.
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I can't say that I have ever been huge into Metallica either but I still consider MoP (and TBA to a lesser extent) a couple of the greatest metal albums.
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It's not like only didn't like metal or not heard this album. All my friends owned it but I was more into Iron Maiden and Queensryche.
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My earliest memory of this album is around 1990 (16yo) ..........being asked by my (classically focused) school music theory teacher to bring in a score of some music for the class to listen to and follow. I submitted the guitar score for Damage Inc and wasn't very popular. :angel:
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I've also never been what you would call a huge Metallica fan, although that discovery period for me in 1996 was highly enjoyable, but the greatness of Master of Puppets is something I would never deny.
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In my view - THE greatest *metal* album of all time. Absolutely no fat on it from start to finish. Every song is perfectly arranged and written. There's no fluff. No section feels extraneous.
Pretty much every song on it is a classic. Orion is their greatest instrumental and the opening one-two of Battery & Master Of Puppets is ph'nom'nal.
Plus DISPOSABLE HEROES :omg:
Amazing album. Far far superior in my opinion to and Justice For All and Ride the Lightning - which is close but trapped Under Ice & Escape let the side down slightly.
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Plus DISPOSABLE HEROES :omg:
Quite possibly my fave song of theirs.
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Plus DISPOSABLE HEROES :omg:
Quite possibly my fave song of theirs.
THIS VERSION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJqHjDsfKP0&list=RDqJqHjDsfKP0 :hefdaddy
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Not my favourite Metallica album (no, I'm not turning it into a discussion of which ones I like more :biggrin: ), and it doesn't contain many of my favourites at all, but still definitely a metal classic, and it's the album where Metallica really found their sound. Not a bad song on the album.
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A friend looked at my CD collection and asked "where's your Metallica?" I really wasn't into thrash at all. The fact that Metallica didn't make MTV videos at the time probably helped keep them out of my scope as I had really just accepted that actually like metal only a couple years earlier. So my collection had more melodic metal.
So he brings over his Metallica (and Megadeth tapes) next time he's over. Thankfully he put in Master of Puppets first because the intro to Battery turned me into an instant fan. It was just so perfect. I don't know that any other Megadeth or Metallica track one would have had the same effect on me as hearing Battery as my first real awareness of Metallica. It has the same effect on me today as it did almost 30 years ago.
This was prime Metallica, musically.
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Great album, though not my fave (sorry Kev!)
The title track might be my all time favorite Heavy Metal song.
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I was waiting in line the day this came out...and I wasn't disappointed. 9 times out of 10, I disagree with the mass populous on what a "classic album" by a certain band is...but on a precious few, the masses choose correctly. Dark Side of the Moon, Moving Pictures....Master of Puppets.
I was 15 years old in late 1984. I was a metal head to the nth degree, but I was looking for something fresh because it seemed like Ozzy, Judas Priest and other metal bands at the time were starting to release more radio friendly material, and I was looking for something heavier. I looked on the new release rack at my local record store, and I saw one of the coolest covers I had ever seen. Elecktra Records had just done the re-release of Ride the Lightning. I hated it at first, but within a month, it was my absolute favorite record.
I don't think I bought anything that wasn't on Megaforce, Metal Blade or Combat Records for a year. Totally stopped listening to most mainstream bands after that for a long time.
I actually had tickets to see them open for Ozzy (on the hairspray and makeup I mean...Ultimate Sin tour. The rumor was that Metallica was completely blowing Ozzy off the stage every night and it was starting to become a re-run of the ill-fated Van Halen/Black Sabbath tour. We were even hearing rumors that crowds were chanting for Metallica to come back out even after Ozzy had taken the stage. My best friend and I were all ready to be a part of this "changing of the guard" and try to see if we couldn't get Ozzy off the stage and get more Metallica. ....but alas, it never was to be. Ozzy cancelled the show for "laryngitis" and Metallica was booted off the tour soon after. (I wonder why) It would have been my last chance to see Cliff still alive. He was killed just a couple of months later. But the upshot was that we got to see Metallica headline (rather than open) an arena show just a couple of months later. It was one of Jason's first shows, and it was AMAZING. (which is weird, because now I hear people claiming that Metallica couldn't do "arena shows" until GnR exploded....yet I was at one....whatever)
Anyway....tldr version - amazing album....deserves all the praise it gets.
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never heard of them
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Well, back in the 80s I wasn't into Thrash at all. It was the hair metal for me. I only dabbled with a bit of Anthrax- Spreading The Disease was awesome - I never bothered with Metallica or megadeath and dismissed it as noise. Cue many late night drunken arguments with mates over the merits (or not) of various bands.
When TBA came out I really liked the singles and bought the album on a dodgy knock off cassette whilst on holiday abroad. Pretty decent but half didn't do anything for me. Over the years I got into some Megadeth, testament, but not too much thrash.
So, after coming to DTF and hearing all the love for it I decided to give MOP a go, and bloody hell its a bona fire metal classic alright. If I had given it the time of day back then I think I would have loved it.
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I actually had tickets to see them open for Ozzy (on the hairspray and makeup I mean...Ultimate Sin tour. The rumor was that Metallica was completely blowing Ozzy off the stage every night and it was starting to become a re-run of the ill-fated Van Halen/Black Sabbath tour. We were even hearing rumors that crowds were chanting for Metallica to come back out even after Ozzy had taken the stage. My best friend and I were all ready to be a part of this "changing of the guard" and try to see if we couldn't get Ozzy off the stage and get more Metallica. ....but alas, it never was to be. Ozzy cancelled the show for "laryngitis" and Metallica was booted off the tour soon after. (I wonder why) It would have been my last chance to see Cliff still alive.
I know how you feel. I've told this story a few times, but I had tix to see them in Providence on the Ozzy tour. They played Worcester a night or two before. I had two sets of friends. One was going to the Worcester show and the others were going to the Providence show. I decided to go to Providence, which was much closer for me, and sometime between the shows, Providence got cancelled. :censored
Ozzy would make up the date in September, but by then, I had sold my tickets.
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I was at the Worcester show. That's the one Jakes E Lee got pulled into the floor seats when some asshole pulled him in by the neck of his guitar.
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my favorite from Metallica
This
and I love Orion and I love the intro to Battery (and the song itself) and that part in the title track where everything slows down, I love that too. Sanitarium is awesome and Damage inc is very sweet.
Just an overall kick ass album.
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I may be biased considering Metallica is my all time favorite band, but I truly believe that Master of Puppets is the greatest metal album of all time. It has no filler. Every song kicks ass. Master of Puppets, Welcome Home (Sanitarium), and Orion are my three favorite Metallica songs and the rest of the album isn't far behind. Damage Inc. is the best balls to the wall thrash song among the entire Big 4 and possibly the entire sub-genre with Battery as a close second. It's a real shame that Cliff died because one can only imagine what direction their career would have gone. If their future music was going to be anything like MoP, we really missed out. At the very least, we got the perfect album before he passed.
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My favorite Metallica album.
Probably my favorite metal album, period.
All killer, no filler. And the title track is one of the greatest rock songs of all time.
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Billy Idol: Tempted to try to argue that the s/t was the more "classic '80s album." I say that as a child of the '80s and of MTV, remembering that White Wedding was one of those videos in MTV's infancy that you simply could not avoid seeing several times a day if you even only watched for relatively short stretches. That video was everywhere. I feel like that song and video were singlehandedly responsible for making Billy Idol and MTV huge. But that being said, Rebel Yell was the album that took Billy Idol to the next level, for the reasons already mentioned. Can't really argue against it with any force.
Metallica: Okay, this is going to seem a bit strange to many folks, I am sure. I did not own my first copy of this album until just a few years ago. But this album was a game changer like few other albums for me. At the time it came out, I was more a fan of "hard rock" like Def Leppard, Van Halen, Scorpions, Y&T, etc. A friend of mine who I had gotten into that sort of music bought Master of Puppets. The song I remember the most from back then was Orion. It was startling to me that a song could sound so sinister without even having any lyrics to tell a dark, sinister story. That really stood out to me and, frankly, was shocking at the time. I wasn't really into dark and sinister music, and it was offputting at first. ...but it was also intriguing, and kept drawing me back in. I kept my distance, but followed what the band were doing. I eventually knew all the songs on Puppets by heart, despite not buying the album. Same with AJFA. I did not go on to actually buy a Metallica album until the s/t came out. And then I went back and bought RTL and AJFA afterward. Not really sure why I never bought Puppets, other than the fact that I just never actively sought it out, and I knew all the songs anyway. After DT covered it, and I listened to the DT version, it hit me how silly it was that I never had a copy myself, so I went out and fixed that. But even though it took me nearly two decades to own a copy, this album was huge for me and really opened me up to a lot of music that I might not have otherwise gotten into.
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'scuse me while I zip up my flame retardant suit.
This album does nothing for me. Just had a re-listen to it for the first time in years to see if anything's changed.
Nope. Nada. Zip, zilch, jack squat.
I don't dispute it is one of the, if not THE, all-time metal classics, but it just doesn't click with me. Title track is great, but the rest, while more enjoyable than I remember, it's still pretty meh.
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Master of Puppets has a few songs I don't care for, but at its best it really is Metallica's best. The 1-2 punch of Battery and MoP has not been topped and likely never will.
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The 1-2 punch of Battery and MoP has not been topped and likely never will.
I agree with this. As great as the rest of the album is, these two being placed #1 and 2 really seal the deal. Battery has one of the greatest intros of all time and Master of Puppets wastes no time with a build up intro at all. So you get a new song, but waste no time getting into it.
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I would have done this Sunday, in honor of Chris Squire, had I heard the news about him an hour earlier, but alas, I already had the Metallica one up, so here we are today.
Many will scoff at the idea of this being a classic album, largely because it was a prog rock band going the pop rock route, similar to what the four guys did with Asia a year earlier, but judged on its own merit, this is a fantastic album, it has Yes' only number 1 hit ever, and it has held up very well as a great-sounding record featuring great melodies and outstanding playing.
Trevor Rabin often seems to be on the Most Hated list of many prog fans, but the man can write songs and play a helluva guitar. Oh, and he can sing great, as well! The Yes harmonies, which were always fabulous, got even better with his voice now in the mix with Jon Anderson's and Chris Squire's.
In short, 90125 is a fantastic record.
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I love, love, love this album. It was ahead of it's time. I absolutely love the mix of this album. 5 stars for me.
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I could never be confused with a Yes fan, but I agree that this is a Classic 80's album. If not for this album, many would've never even heard of Yes.
It's Sad But True. (AWESOME SEGUE HERE!)
90125 is to 70's Yes is what The Black Album is to 80's Metallica.
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I am sorely tempted to scoff at the idea of this being a classic album, largely because it was a prog rock band going the pop rock route.
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I am sorely tempted to scoff at the idea of Winger being legitimate, largely because it was a group with respectable backgrounds going the suck route.
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Pop rock?
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I love, love, love this album. It was ahead of it's time. I absolutely love the mix of this album. 5 stars for me.
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90125 is to 70's Yes is what The Black Album is to 80's Metallica.
I can kind of see that, although the circumstances were very, very different.
The 90125 hits were all I knew by Yes for years, so they will always be favorites of mine. The vocal arrangement in Leave It alone is astonishing.
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As far as die-hard Yesfans go, they don't die much harder than me, and I actually like this album. Yes has changed so much over the years that in the big picture, this is just another entry in the catalog. Sure, when it first came out, it made a lot of noise. A lot of people who had never heard of Yes were introduced to them via this album and of course the single "Owner of a Lonely Heart". The old-school Yesfans were screaming bloody murder. It was kinda funny.
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I could never be confused with a Yes fan, but I agree that this is a Classic 80's album. If not for this album, many would've never even heard of Yes.
Well I may know the odd song (esp the Owner of a Lonely Heart groove) but have never properly listened to/owned a Yes album and the name Chris Squire doesn't mean much to me at all I'm afraid......I seem to be the only one in my music circle where that's the case :-[ 70's-early 80's prog rock doesn't have a great strike rate with me , so that's likely why I have never really spent the time to look into Yes , even given their reputation. As a guitarist I had some Rabin solo stuff though. I think I spent so much time tracking down cool rock and metal rarities that I thought I would get to some of the bigger names later and , in some cases , never did. ::)
I just had a look to see if Yes had any success in Australia and this album charted in the high 20's - the only top 20 albums they had were mid 70's before I turned 3 yo , so I missed any real radio popularity they had in these parts.
I will give this album a spin shortly .
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It's.....okay. I'd take Tormato over 90125 any day of the week. Just call me a stick-in-the-mud Yes traditionalist lol.
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This was indeed my introduction to Yes, and it would take years before I really went any deeper. 70s prog didn't fall into my musical discovery pattern until the mid '00s. Great album... absolutely love Cinema/Leave It. Fantastic, top to bottom.
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is it wrong this is the only Yes album I own?
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YES YES YES
90125 is an all time classic in my book.
I never liked any of the 1970's Yes catalogue.
But when I heard and saw the video of Owner Of A Lonely Heart, I was hooked.
Trevor Rabin is brilliant and saved Yes with this and subsequent albums.
Trevor Horn's production was and still is amazing.
One of the best sounding albums in my collection.
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Comparisons are made to Genesis...and pop...and selling out...
Personally, I don't see it at all. If you listen to this album, it certainly has some pop elements and some of the effects place it obviously in the 80's....but it's got nothing on it that I would put on the level of say "No Reply at All". It's pop-ish I suppose, but it's so textured and multi-layerd and the musicmanship is on a whole different level than any of the albums it's compared to that I think the arguments get pretty weak.
This is just just an album that broke new ground for progressive rock.
Now, if you wanted to make the argument that it was SO un-Yeslike that they shouldn't have called it Yes, I think you could make a much stronger case. I would be on the fence as to whether I would agree or disagree (I think it's pretty well established that retaining the Yes moniker was an eleventh hour decision made purely for business interests) but it would still be a stronger argument than just saying they "went pop" or "sold out".
Let's put it this way. I don't know many #1 singles with the musicmanship of Owner of a Lonely Heart from any decade. And if you start throwing in some of the other more complex songs.... It's a pretty proggy album. Cinema could have been on any Yes album and been right at home IMO.
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Imo the classic Yes album from the 80s is Drama.
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Calling 90125 pop is totally ridiculous.
I was around that time, and well into 1980's pop, and it sounds nothing like any top 40 or that or any other era.
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I am sorely tempted to scoff at the idea of Winger being legitimate, largely because it was a group with respectable backgrounds going the suck route.
Its a good job there's an ocean between us as a bitch slap is required for this post :lol
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Just because something is radio-friendly doesn't mean it's pop. Radio doesn't like to play songs over 6 minutes - hell, over 5 minutes, and it wasn't much different in the 80s. There was the odd outlier station, and the odd outlier song, but for the most part if it wasn't in the 5 minute range, it wasn't getting on the air except on "Psychedelic Sunday". So, when these songs came out, it finally gave Yes the opportunity to get some mass market exposure.
Doesn't mean it's "pop" as we view the genre to be.
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It is definitely an 80s classic. Good songs, and frankly, Trevor Rabin gets shortchanged by many fans. The guy is amazingly talented.
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Very enjoyable album even though it's nowhere close to their early stuff.
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As with the Asia album we discussed earlier, I hadn't heard any Yes until this album. One of my mates loved it but it didn't do much for me at the time. I did buy the follow up (Big Generator) and liked that, and Trevor Rabin's can't look away album. I think I only remember the two singles from this.
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Just because something is radio-friendly doesn't mean it's pop. Radio doesn't like to play songs over 6 minutes - hell, over 5 minutes, and it wasn't much different in the 80s. There was the odd outlier station, and the odd outlier song, but for the most part if it wasn't in the 5 minute range, it wasn't getting on the air except on "Psychedelic Sunday". So, when these songs came out, it finally gave Yes the opportunity to get some mass market exposure.
Doesn't mean it's "pop" as we view the genre to be.
Well, it was very popular, therefore it was pop. ;)
Trevor Rabin gets shortchanged by many fans. The guy is amazingly talented.
Damn right. Can't Look Away is the record of his that most fans of his talk about the most, but his self-titled debut is pretty damn good, too. Live a Bit and Painted Picture are such great tunes. :coolio
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Just because something is radio-friendly doesn't mean it's pop. Radio doesn't like to play songs over 6 minutes - hell, over 5 minutes, and it wasn't much different in the 80s. There was the odd outlier station, and the odd outlier song, but for the most part if it wasn't in the 5 minute range, it wasn't getting on the air except on "Psychedelic Sunday". So, when these songs came out, it finally gave Yes the opportunity to get some mass market exposure.
Doesn't mean it's "pop" as we view the genre to be.
Well, it was very popular, therefore it was pop. ;)
Hence my specific comment of pop "as we view the genre to be - in 1983, "pop" meant Culture Club, Cyndi Lauper, Wham etc... Nowadays, it's Katy Perry, Pink, Bieber etc... not all popular music is "pop".
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New York, London, Paris, Munich. Everybody talk about...
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Boogie with a suitcase.
"Pop" seems to mean some kind of music which is almost rock, and can even be rock, but there's something vapid about it, like it's trying not to rock too hard, because then someone could get the wrong idea. It's really hard to describe.
To me, if I ever feel like it was specifically crafted to be popular, if it's got that glossy sheen on it that makes me want to break things, then it's probably pop, and not "real" rock. But pop can be rock, country, or even prog. It's almost like an "attitude" more than a genre.
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I loved Yes' 90125 until I found out it was pop.
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I know what you mean. But we must have our standards.
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I've heard some of Yes' prog stuff, but it never had much of an effect on me, but I'm listening to 90125 right now and I like it so far. Maybe I should give the earlier material another shot...
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Foreigner has always been a band I've enjoyed stuff by, but never was a band I loved or went through phases where I just had to listen to nothing but them for days. They have a dozen or so songs I really like, and some of those are on 4, like "Urgent" and "Juke Box Hero," the latter of which I remember some friends of mine back in the day being nutty about. One friend had that song as one of his go-to songs to show off how good his stereo system sounded. "Waiting for a Girl Like You" was their big ballad hit, and it's obvious why it was so popular, featuring a great vocal performance by Lou Gramm, but it's a bit too vanilla for me, although that keyboard lead is very nice, played by Thomas Dolby. I can't say I've ever heard the non-hits from this, but I know this is often considered their most classic album, so here it is.
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Their first 3 albums were hard rocking and I loved them. This was when they started to go more mainstream. I do like this album but the seeds of less hard rocking were planted on this album. They sure did bring in a whole new audience with this album.
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Another Robert John "Mutt" Lange album. That guy just OWNED the 80's.
Foreigner is a guilty pleasure for me. I find so much of their stuff completely derivative...but I enjoy some of it anyway. I've always loved Urgent and Juke Box Hero. Not so much Waiting for a Girl Like You.
Never actually picked up most of their stuff because there was always songs I liked mixed with songs I hated. Even the first album. Loved Long Way From Home...DETESTED Cold as Ice. The only album that I ever owned and liked pretty much throughout was Double Vision.
Can't deny this is a classic.
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Classic album ,but like most Foreigner albums it has a few fillers. The gap between their best and worst on any one album is often bigger than most, mostly because their best is awesome . Lou Gramm just has one of those timeless voices (top 10 of all time for me in AOR/melodic rock) and Mick Jones is a great writer.
4 isn't among my favourite Foreigner albums but the best few tracks are great as always. I find that their most consistent albums are the lesser known ones.
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Foreigner has always been a band I've enjoyed stuff by, but never was a band I loved or went through phases where I just had to listen to nothing but them for days.
This. Lou Gramm had a phenomenal voice, and I've certainly liked a lot of their songs, but never enough to dig deeper and listen to complete albums.
They are "OK".
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I like most of the Foreigner hits (not so much from 4), but I haven't found them to be a strong album band.
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I saw the Behind the Music on them a while back and some of the chatter on there was how Mick Jones was one of the best songwriters and guitarists ever, yet never got his due, and all I could think was, "Let's get serious." :lol :lol I mean, he wrote some good songs and played well, but one of the best ever in either regard? No freaking way.
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I say he's a fantastic song smith and a very good producer but an average guitarist.
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Not to shortchange Foreigner by featuring another album again so quickly, but we can always discuss both at the same time here.
This one comes recommended by jammindude:
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Hey look, there's Tawny Kitaen again. :lol :lol I remember "Round for Round" being a big hit back in '84, and I also remember my brother Mark and I always stupidly arguing over who saw the video first, like it really mattered. :facepalm: :rollin I was actually a much bigger fan of "Wanted Man" back then, and I remember years later hearing "Back for More" for the first time in forever and realizing then what a Rob Halford-wannabe Stephen Pearcy was (I was not familiar with Judas Priest till the 90s). None of those songs really are ones I revisit much anymore. I can't say I have ever heard all of Out of the Cellar, but it definitely put Ratt on the map in a big way.
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For me...as hair metal goes...this is one of the best. This was one of those albums where almost all 10 tracks spent a period of time being my "favorite" from the entire album. Other than maybe Kix's Midnite Dynamite (a cult classic, and a far better album than its more popular follow up Blow My Fuse) I can't think of a single hair metal album that is "all killer, no filler" as much as this album.
Lack of Communication is probably my all time favorite. But Scene of the Crime, You're In Trouble, In Your Direction and I'm Insane are all completely kick ass songs. Take those and the three hits and that's nearly the entire album.
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Really strong album but somewhat surprised to see it mentioned here. I was going to just assume it was another album that was much bigger in the US than elsewhere and I checked Wikipedia and (if you can believe them) this album and Ratt in general charted higher in Australia. :omg: The concept of Ratt having more than one Top 10 album in Australia (4) is mindblowing to me....I would've been surprised with one making Top 100. I never once heard them on the radio outside of dedicated underground metal stations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratt_discography
Anyway.......good choice as far as I am concerned JD. As you say , all the tracks are worthy. Also one of the few albums I have on vinyl from those days.
It seems the band is done for now - although Blotzer is touring his Ratt cover band with a singer that is damn good and sounds miles better than Pearcy. I checked out a vid for a laugh and was pleasantly surprised.
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Never liked Ratt.
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I bought Out Of The Cellar when it came out. Round And Round is a great song, I'll give it that, but in that song, you don't rally hear how bad Pearcy SUCKS! He singlehandedly brings down the album. I think I might've still gotten Invasion, but he has to be one of, if not my least favorite 80's singer. No fucking talent whatsoever.
And I believe this band was way more talented and capable of playing better music than what whey did.
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very good album; one of the defining 80s hair metal albums
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A great slice of 80s hair metal. De martini is a great player. Always loved his tone. Great band let down by a shit singer. Saw them at donington monsters of Rock in 84 and he ruined the set with what some optimistically call singing. Axel rose sang better live.
This may be their most consistent album but I liked them all up to detonator to some degree. The rhythm tone on invasion is class and just how I want to sound.
I have soft spot for the latter day self titled but I'm in a minority there.
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Weird...while I will admit that SP was mostly a talentless hack that I've NEVER heard a single decent live performance from...I thought his studio sound was pretty cool. I thought his raspy, gravelly howl was perfect for the blues based DeMartini riffs. They could have done better, but it just seemed to fit for me.
You want a hair metal singer that truly CAN'T SING?? Tom Keifer from Cinderella. That guy is terrible. He sounded like off-key Steven Pearcy to my ears... And I still like some of their stuff in spite of him. :lol
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Nah, Kiefer had a great, distinctive voice.
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Kiefier's "regular" singing voice like on Coming Home was more appealing to me.
I liked this Ratt album when it was out but over time I haven't spun it much.
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I actually really liked Ratt. And this is one of their best albums. But I actually loved Invasion of your privacy with the hit ´you´re in love´ and the selftitled album more, with songs like ´you think you´re tough´and ´Back for more´ more. <
Plus, without RATT, I would´ve never known who the hell Tawny Kitaen was! :angel:
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I am going to cheat a little again and feature an album that is technically not from the 80s...
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Despite being released in March of 1990, Violator very much sounds like an 80s record, and I was surprised when it turned out not to be an 80s record, as I always thought it was from 1988 or so. That aside, I was never a big fan of this band back in the day, but I finally heard this record a few years ago and thought it was okay, but gave it a few more whirls here and there over time, and grew to really like it. Depeche Mode is not my favorite electronic pop band - I like the Pet Shop Boys waaaay more - but this is a darn good record, and certainly a classic.
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I can't say that I have even heard of Depeche Mode but the mention of the Pet Shop Boys - with whom I am familar ,in the same way I am familiar with The Proclaimers (reluctantly) probably gives me a good indicator of my odds of success :lol
I still need to check out that Yes album properly though.
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Depeche Mode is one of those bands whom I really enjoy when I am actually listening to them, but I am never in the mood to actually listen to them.
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I appreciate their craft, the artistry and their showmanship live but I never got into their music. Very influential though.
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Not for me.
I am very narrow minded In my musical taste an d DM are nowhere near it.
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Violator is without question their defining album in most ways. But if you wanted to pick an "80's Classic", Some Great Reward, Black Celebration and Music for the Masses would all qualify.
I'm only mild on DM (although I have a good friend who thinks they can do no wrong) although with their similarities to The Cure, I would think I'd be more into them. I do own Black Celebration (my personal fav) but I don't think I've heard Violator all the way through. I should fix that.
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Good album. I spun this a LOT when it came out. But while I normally don't do this, I HAVE TO be "that guy" this time and say that you picked the wrong album, Kev. The obvious choice should have been Music For The Masses. Yeah, it wasn't as successful as Violator. But it did give them their first real hit single and launch them into the mainstream. Plus, it actually IS an '80s album.
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Great album! :tup Probably DM's best, although Songs of Faith & Devotion comes really close. Enjoy the Silence, World in My Eyes, Halo and Waiting for the Night = :hefdaddy
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Good album. I spun this a LOT when it came out. But while I normally don't do this, I HAVE TO be "that guy" this time and say that you picked the wrong album, Kev. The obvious choice should have been Music For The Masses. Yeah, it wasn't as successful as Violator. But it did give them their first real hit single and launch them into the mainstream. Plus, it actually IS an '80s album.
People are People was on Some Great Reward, and that was a pretty big single.
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Depeche Mode at their peak. World In My Eyes, Personal Jesus, Policy of Truth, Halo and, especially, Enjoy The Silence, one of the best songs ever :hefdaddy
Hey Kev, since you mentioned them, could feature Actually (or Behaviour if you wanna cheat again :biggrin:) by Pet Shop Boys next?
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Good album. I spun this a LOT when it came out. But while I normally don't do this, I HAVE TO be "that guy" this time and say that you picked the wrong album, Kev. The obvious choice should have been Music For The Masses. Yeah, it wasn't as successful as Violator. But it did give them their first real hit single and launch them into the mainstream. Plus, it actually IS an '80s album.
People are People was on Some Great Reward, and that was a pretty big single.
Okay, good point.
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Wasn't really into Depeche Mode at the time this album came out. But I revisited them later. Only have a best of from them though. So I think the only two songs I have from this album are Personal Jesus and Enjoy the Silence. I like Enjoy the Silence more. If I recall, the music video was a guy walking around with a lawn chair or something in a crown and royal cape.
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How about some love for Somebody? :p
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Good album. I spun this a LOT when it came out. But while I normally don't do this, I HAVE TO be "that guy" this time and say that you picked the wrong album, Kev. The obvious choice should have been Music For The Masses. Yeah, it wasn't as successful as Violator. But it did give them their first real hit single and launch them into the mainstream. Plus, it actually IS an '80s album.
Bah. :biggrin:
Hey Kev, since you mentioned them, could feature Actually (or Behaviour if you wanna cheat again :biggrin:) by Pet Shop Boys next?
Soon. I don't want to feature two albums in a row by a subgenre that doesn't get featured that much already. Trying to mix it up here. :)
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Good album. I spun this a LOT when it came out. But while I normally don't do this, I HAVE TO be "that guy" this time and say that you picked the wrong album, Kev. The obvious choice should have been Music For The Masses. Yeah, it wasn't as successful as Violator. But it did give them their first real hit single and launch them into the mainstream. Plus, it actually IS an '80s album.
Bah. :biggrin:
I KNOW! I KNOW! SORRY! :biggrin:
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The first full length vinyl I ever owned.
One of the greatest albums ever.
A sonic masterpiece.
The Police going out on top.
It's so deep
It's so wide
You're inside
Synchronicity
Synchronicity.
:coolio :hat :hefdaddy :tup :tup
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It was a whole other level for them. They ditched the reggae but it wasn't a certain style they went for. Way ahead of it's time.
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This one was something special. Side 2 was flawless. Love the how Sync I and Sync II are so different, yet both amazing. Synchronicity II is by far my favorite Police song.
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Maybe I need to check this one too. I am really only familiar with their radio hits and my response to those is 50/50..............."Since you've gone.........." in Every Breath You Take is one of my favourite pop rock moments but Roxanne irritates me ....and so on. Although the Eddie Murphy moment in 48 Hours was awesome ;D
I saw them live for some reason but never actually owned an album. On the surface they're a bit too pop rock - which is likely why I never bothered - but in the right song I can enjoy Sting's voice and Andy Summers is a deceptively good guitarist , so there is some hope for me with this band , unlike Depeche Mode :) .
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Like Brent, I'm just familiar with the radio hits. 50/50 as well.
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This is the one Police album I never owned. I had the first four on vinyl, later upgraded Zenyatta Mondatta and Ghost in the Machine to CD, but after listening to this one a few times at my friend's house, I decided I didn't need it. Some cool songs on it, for sure, and I wasn't sorry to hear the reggae go away, but I guess I'd just moved on by time this one came out.
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This is probably the best album they ever made. And too bad they hated their guts (well, Sting and Stu did) making it and it was to be their last. From the kick in the teeth of Synchronicity I on, it's brilliant. Much of the album title and concept material on it is inspired by Arthur Koestler's The Roots of Coincidence. Songs like King of Pain, Wrapped around your finger, Every breath you take, but certainly also Synchronicity I and II, are instant classics. The touring, for the album, although short, was impressive as well.
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For a 'pop' band The Police were and are incredible musicians.
Was just watching the 2008 Tokyo Dome concert YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBFAxXjKmpE
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Every Breath You Take is one of my favourite songs of all time.
And yeah they're all great musicians. Andy Summers often gets overlooked.
I've got a copy of Ghost In The Machine on vinyl. Took me ages to figure out the LEDs on the front are the band member's faces.
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For a 'pop' band The Police were and are incredible musicians.
Was just watching the 2008 Tokyo Dome concert YT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBFAxXjKmpE
hey thanks i'll check that out :) Might have to download it too .
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Yeah no worries mate.
Some of the renditions on it are a little different, but still very good.
AS is a very unrated guitarist, if you've ever tried playing the Police songs on guitar, you'll know some are pretty tough.
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Especially the Every Breath You Take riff !
And Andy is a small guy with tiny hands ! :P
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Bloody Hell - Andy is 72 ? I thought he was a lot younger than that !
Their debut album was released November 2nd 1978 - 5 days before I was born :P
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I've got a copy of Ghost In The Machine on vinyl. Took me ages to figure out the LEDs on the front are the band member's faces.
The first three albums each feature the band member's faces quite prominently, so I guess I got it immediately because of that. I thought it was pretty clever. Ghost in the Machine was a deliberate step toward changing the band's image and sound, with the title actually in English and their "portraits" on the cover done in LEDs.
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I had this album, but never really "got" it for some reason. I really liked the hits. But for some reason, the album as a whole never really gelled for me. However, that does not keep me from recognizing how good it is and its classic status.
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Didn't they say recently that it was a myth that they hated each other ? And they actually got on fine.
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No, Sting and Copeland fought all the time.
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One of the best albums ever, not just the 80s.
This one is pretty much all killer, no filler.
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Decent pop rock band with substance. I have a best of but don't play it often. When I do I like it. Never heard a whole album other than the best of.
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Yes they were very much a singles band. The albums had a lot of weaker material on - which some could deem as filler.
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There is no filler on Synchronicity, which is the featured album we are talking about. :biggrin:
Even the oft-maligned Mother isn't as awful as some say it is. Deep cuts like Walking in Your Footsteps, Murder by Numbers and O My God are all tremendous.
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I used to hate "Every Breath...." as it was overplayed big time, but now I can truly appreciate its beauty. I think "Wrapped Around Your Finger" is the best track from the album.
Solid album no doubt.
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Synchronicity II is by far my favorite Police song.
Me too.
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I like "Mother". I mean, I can understand why people don't like it; it's horrible and obnoxious and completely conveys the dread of your mother calling you, but that's exactly the point. Also, it's in 7/4 or something, isn't it? It's been a while.
"Murder by Numbers" is amazing. I love how the 3/4 and 4/4 overlay each other and you sometimes can't even tell what the time signature is. Trivia: It's not on the vinyl. It was a "bonus track" on the cassette, and presumably is on the CD as a regular track.
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I actually meant to mention that in my write-up, but when I decided on that style for presenting this album, it didn't work. But yeah, I owned the vinyl back in '83, and Murder by Numbers was not on there, so when I got the CD like a decade later, it was a brand new song to me on what was already one of my favorite records! :tup :tup
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Even the oft-maligned Mother isn't as awful as some say it is. Deep cuts like Walking in Your Footsteps, Murder by Numbers and O My God are all tremendous.
Murder by Numbers is one of my favorites
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There is no filler on Synchronicity, which is the featured album we are talking about. :biggrin:
Even the oft-maligned Mother isn't as awful as some say it is. Deep cuts like Walking in Your Footsteps, Murder by Numbers and O My God are all tremendous.
Just listened to the whole album and was enjoying it until mother came on. That was every bit as awful as people say it is :biggrin:
Hmm. Liked some of it, disliked some of it, about 50/50 I guess.
I really don't listen to this sort of thing much at all, so 50/50 isn't bad.
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Hey, at least you tried. ;)
Even though it is one of the hits from it, King of Pain has always been my 2nd least favorite song from this. I like it, but don't love it. Every other song, except for Mother, is a major winner, although I agree with your comment, Orbert, about the song being obnoxious on purpose.
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I just listened to Mother for the first time. I have a whole new perspective of this band. THIS IS AMAZING!!!!! I was always a bit 50/50 on The Police myself. But this song is absolutely brilliant!! I may have to go get this album after all.
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The Police has a history of having at least one irritating, jarring song on an album. This is as grating as they come! As far back as Outlandos d' Amour 'Peanuts, Be my gir-Sally,' to Regatta da Blanc 'Does everyone stare', they've always had songs like that.
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Even though I was a fan of quite a few of Phil Collins' solo hits in the 80s, the hits from No Jacket Required never did anything for me. "Take Me Home" is okay, I guess, but "Sussudio" and "One More Night" both make me nauseas. "Don't Lose My Number" isn't bad, but I can't imagine ever going out of my way to hear it. Regardless, No Jacket Required was massively popular, and I'll give it its due by featuring it, but just don't ask me to like it. :lol
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This was the album that ushered in the decline of Phil Collins (for me). I didn't own any of his albums until later, but I liked the songs off the first two much better than this one.
And this one has a special bleh for me (here comes that nostalgia). My friend was a big Genesis/Phil Collins fan at the time. I was neither love nor hate. I'd hear "I Don't Care Anymore" and think this guy was something special. Then his next single would be "Can't Hurry Love" and I'd feel there was nothing special going on. So he was hit and miss. And big hits and big misses for me.
But "Sussudio" really put me over the edge. I actually thought the song was decent (not great, but decent) when it first came out. But then I went to the water slide / miniature golf hang out with my Phil Collins friend. We liked to wring out every penny spent, so we'd stay there all day. Visions of an endless loop of "Sussudio" as I barrel down the waterslide pipe still haunt me to this day. It was augmented by the Collins-head friend telling me how great the song every of the 100x it came on that day.
So this album actually kept me from purchasing my first Phil Collins CD until the early/mid 1990s. And it was the first two because I had to overcome that day-built bias and admit I really liked some of those early songs. I then went and bought his other albums (as I am prone to do with artists) thinking I just missed the good songs on the other albums, but they were all decent at best.
Face Value and Hello, I Must Be Going! can play with joy any day of the week for me. The others, I usually skip before they finish. That includes No Jackets Required.
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I had almost forgotten how much I like Phil Collins' voice in the right song until I heard Against All Odds the other day -not my normal style but I almost had to have a think about who it was singing.
I never bought this album , but was a big fan of Don't Lose My Number as a youngster.
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I have never heard a single Phil Collins song I did not like. Ever. And yet, I never owned a single one of his albums and don't really feel compelled to. I think it is simply the fact that his music is still so ubiquitous that I can hear it any time I want, combined with the fact that, while I like his music in general, there is usually something else I would rather listen to if I am choosing an album.
But in any case, this is a really good album. I liked all the hits. And the couple of times I think I heard the entire album, I enjoyed the deep cuts as well (although I cannot presently recall ANY of them).
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I have never heard a single Phil Collins song I did not like. Ever.
Even Groovy Kind Of Love ? :)
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I have never heard a single Phil Collins song I did not like. Ever.
Even Groovy Kind Of Love ? :)
No, I'm good with that one too.
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I thought his first two albums were great. I bought each one when they came out, and in some ways, Hello, I Must Be Going! was even better than the first. I picked up this one when it came out as well, and it then that I realized that Phil and I were no longer a match. I can listen to the first two albums all the way through, but I don't know if there's a single song on this album that I actually like.
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I agree that the first two are better albums. But there is still a lot to like on this one. In fact, I am going to listen to it again now.
One overlooked thing here is how Phil really embraced the potential of the music video. He made some great ones. The one for Don't Lose My Number was hilarious.
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Yeah, both he and Gabriel were really great with videos. For the most part, I hate Phil's ballads (Against All Odds notwithstanding). I can enjoy the hits, but like Bosky... I was never compelled to go out and get an album. My brother had Face Value, and I dug that one. By and large, Phil's style went in a different direction than my tastes in the late 80s, so we just kinda drifted apart. Same can be said for the direction Genesis went.
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Talk before is that Phil Collins unfairly caught most of the criticism for Genesis going the pop route in the 80s, when Banks and Rutherford were writing a lot of those songs, but some of Collins' songs sounded a lot like the "softer" hits Genesis had in the 80s. Songs like In Too Deep and One More Night are basically interchangeable, and if you told someone that In Too Deep was a solo Collins songs and One More Night was a Genesis song, they'd believe it, so it's easy to make the leap that Collins was the driving force behind Genesis' direction in the 80s, fair or not.
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Wasn't there a Showtime Genesis documentary that more or less had the band admitting that Phil Collins solo success kind of pushed them into the "ok, we will give that a try"?
Musicians have a bad habit of claiming they could write a hit song if they wanted to, but won't lower themselves to that. There is no lowering. If you actually have the ability to write a hit song, then you do it.
My criticisms of Phil Collins really isn't about me not liking his stuff. It is more about the fact that I really love a few songs and most of the others I like, but don't go out of my way listen to.
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Phil Collins has some really great songs, but I find that his albums are more filler than anything.
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Inoffensive pop stuff that I wouldn't go out of my way to listen to.
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After his first solo album it was only certain songs I could listen to. I just didn't like his albums on a whole.
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Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford have both said that from the very beginning, the goal of Genesis was to get their music played on the radio; it just took them a while to figure out how. That sounds like a somewhat trite explanation for what happened, but I'm sure there's at least some truth to it. Their first album was all three-minute pop songs and yielded two singles, but after they fired their manager and started doing things their own way (because he was a control freak and pocketed every cent the band made) they seemed to confuse "good music", with "music most people actually want to hear". Their progressive stuff from the early 70's was amazing, but they seemed disappointed that there weren't more people who wanted to hear it.
Once they stripped things down and focused their considerable talent on writing pop songs, they discovered that they could actually do stuff they liked and sell a lot of records. Sounds like win-win to me. All three of them insist that it was a direction they wanted to take, a decision made unanimously by the band.
Anyway, Phil's solo career almost seems a microcosm of Genesis. His first album has some great, sometimes experimental stuff with no boundaries, because it was all him and what he wanted to do. The second album showed some maturity, but kept a lot of the spirit of adventure. By this, the third album, it was all pop songs.
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Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford have both said that from the very beginning, the goal of Genesis was to get their music played on the radio; it just took them a while to figure out how.
I have heard the exact opposite actually, that their move to 80's pop was a natural one, and not driven by material considerations.
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After his first solo album it was only certain songs I could listen to. I just didn't like his albums on a whole.
The first solo album is excellent, from beginning to end. So edgy. So powah.
"Hello I must be going" is not bad either though.
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Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford have both said that from the very beginning, the goal of Genesis was to get their music played on the radio; it just took them a while to figure out how.
I have heard the exact opposite actually, that their move to 80's pop was a natural one, and not driven by material considerations.
I'm not sure that they're the exact opposite. They do say that the evolution of their music was a natural one. It's only the part where they had to "figure out how" which implies that the change in direction was driven by the desire to sell more records, and that's the part I always thought was just them being flippant.
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My main gripe about solo Phil is that his songs have far too many choruses in a row at the end.
Especially Dance Into The Light for example.
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Wiki says Phil has come out of retirement and is considering new solo & Genesis music.
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One thing you have to give Phil Collins is that he was almost always pretty entertaining in his or Genesis' videos in the 80s, the exceptions usually being the slower tunes where he took a more serious approach in the videos. But in the more upbeat tunes, he was always hamming it up and being silly.
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I agree with that. It is hard not to like somebody that seems to have fun acting goofy. Goofy and extremely successful. One usually precludes the other.
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I think it is the No Reply at All video where Collins, sitting at his drum set, comes in like half a line on the lip synching and smiles at someone off camera, like, "Oops, I came in way late there." :lol :lol
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One thing you have to give Phil Collins is that he was almost always pretty entertaining in his or Genesis' videos in the 80s, the exceptions usually being the slower tunes where he took a more serious approach in the videos. But in the more upbeat tunes, he was always hamming it up and being silly.
Yeah you're right. I'm surprised no one else in the thread mentioned that aspect.
One overlooked thing here is how Phil really embraced the potential of the music video. He made some great ones. The one for Don't Lose My Number was hilarious.
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Lol, okay, but our points were slightly different. :biggrin:
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Scorpions are a band I have never been a big fan of, but every time I hear them, I get why so many people do. I used to work with a guy who was a diehard fan, and he tried like hell to get me into them, but while I did discover quite a few songs of theirs I thought were good, very few had any lasting impact to where I have ever gone out of my way to hear them since. Love at First Sting was wildly popular back in 1984, largely thanks to "Rock You Like a Hurricane," which was one of the more anthemic mainstream hard rockers of the 1980s. The other hits, "Big City Nights" and "Still Loving You," are both nice songs, but "Bad Boys Running Wild" is the songs from this I probably like the most; that is good rocking tune. Klaus Meine is a really good singer, but for whatever reason, his voice has never really resonated with me as one I love hearing. My personal opinions aside, which aren't overly positive or negative really at all, this is a classic record.
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I got into the Scorpions through the Acoustica live album. I enjoyed that one a lot for a few years but never really delved that much deeper. Given that a couple of those tracks would have appeared on this album, I think it's safe to say that I would enjoy it well enough.
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Love At First Sting is pretty good but a disappointment compared to Blackout IMO. The hits aren't quite as good and the deeper cuts seem more like filler. Not really an album I go for often.
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I agree that this album can't touch Blackout....and I mostly agree about the deep cuts not being that great. Though I do like I'm Leaving You and I absolutely LOVE Coming Home.
It's hard to touch this band for "solid album" runs. I mean, not too many bands can give you eight straight kick ass albums without a klunker in the bunch. But the run from Fly to the Rainbow thru Love At First Sting is a pretty damned amazing run. Not every song on every album is all that... but I consider any album where you love more than half the songs worth owning, and that eight album run easily meets that criteria.
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Great album - and I'll go against the trend and say I prefer mid-late 80's Scorps like this one to Blackout . I love 2 or 3 tracks on Blackout but that's about it - less filler on LAFS for my taste.
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Still Loving You is a videoke staple here in the Philippines. A lot of men just love singing that while drunk. :lol
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Great album. Great tour with Bon Jovi opening up on their first tour. Played "Rock You Like A Hurricane" in a cover band at age 16. When I saw them on this tour is was 2 days before finals my sophomore year and I remember my parents saying, they'd never let me see the show if they new it was so close to finals.
I win. :lol
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I agree that this album can't touch Blackout....and I mostly agree about the deep cuts not being that great. Though I do like I'm Leaving You and I absolutely LOVE Coming Home
Yea those two are great. It just feels like they were trying to just make another Blackout and while it's a solid effort, it isn't quite the same.
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OH! Almost forgot Crossfire. Great tune.
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Scorpions are a band I have never been a big fan of, but every time I hear them, I get why so many people do. I used to work with a guy who was a diehard fan, and he tried like hell to get me into them, but while I did discover quite a few songs of theirs I thought were good, very few had any lasting impact to where I have ever gone out of my way to hear them since. Love at First Sting was wildly popular back in 1984, largely thanks to "Rock You Like a Hurricane," which was one of the more anthemic mainstream hard rockers of the 1980s. The other hits, "Big City Nights" and "Still Loving You," are both nice songs, but "Bad Boys Running Wild" is the songs from this I probably like the most; that is good rocking tune. Klaus Meine is a really good singer, but for whatever reason, his voice has never really resonated with me as one I love hearing. My personal opinions aside, which aren't overly positive or negative really at all, this is a classic record.
Kev, like a lot of bands from that era, their 70s stuff absolutely slays the 80s stuff. You'd like it, and the earlier stuff had some proggy tendencies. Between Uli Roth, Schenker, and Jabs the've had 3 amazing lead guitar players.
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I have a little bit of the 70s stuff, like the majority of the Lovedrive record; Coast to Coast is a very cool instrumental. I have always heard that their early material is good, but I have never liked them that much to where I felt the need to dig deep. It'd probably fall into that category of stuff I thought was pretty good, but never listen to. :facepalm:
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Scorpions :metal
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I wouldn't class myself a huge fan but I do love alot of their stuff, especially live. Great live band.
Lovedrive, Blackout and this were great albums, and their best of is as good as anyone's.
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Great album. Great band. I had heard some of their other songs prior to this, but this was the first album I bought of theirs, and I played it CONSTANTLY. Really not a bad song on the entire album. To me, this is where the band truly hit their peak. And while I have enjoyed some things they have done since, nothing really reached quite this level of awesome. I have tons of memories of this album and some cool stories. I will try to share some if I can. But no guarantees, as this week is going to be extremely hectic.
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Great album. Still hold up. Saw this tour too with Bon Jovi. Awesome show.
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Never had this album, will spin it shortly. Clearly know the radio hits though. Only Scrops album I have is Crazy World, and that is dynamite. I really don't know why I never dug into these guys... Klaus has such a unique and distinctive voice, and one that I love. Think I'll go on a Scorps discography 'tour' this week. I'm totally planning on seeing them with Queensryche in September.
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This album has one of the best sonic openings.
When it came out, I don't even recall if any real surround sound systems were out on the consumer level. But I had a relatively cheap stereo, 4 speakers and the A+B output option. I set up the B speakers in the rear, so when I listened to music it really filled up the room. This opening seconds of this album just sounded so good, swirling around the room. It was the CD I put in anytime a new friend stopped by my house.
I still love the way it sounds today.
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This is probably more of an 80s classic than a true classic, but screw it, here it is anyway. :lol :lol
Night Ranger is one of those bands whose songs have aged pretty well, if you ask me. "Sister Christian" is their long-enduring tried and true classic, and while some like to chide it for being somewhat of a ballad, it is a pretty phenomenal song. The other hits, "When You Close Your Eyes" and "(You Can Still) Rock In America," both still sound great. And "Rumours in the Air" has always been a song I really dug. So yeah, say what you want about this band, but Midnight Madness has some major classics on there. :coolio
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I don't have this one, but have a Greatest Hits from 1989. (You Can Still) Rock in America is so painfully cheesy... and not in a good way. Sister Christian holds up. I'll give this a spin tomorrow, as I do recall liking it (despite the opening track).
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They lost me a bit after their first few albums but this was a good un.
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I don't have this one, but have a Greatest Hits from 1989. (You Can Still) Rock in America is so painfully cheesy... and not in a good way. Sister Christian holds up. I'll give this a spin tomorrow, as I do recall liking it (despite the opening track).
Actually, I feel exactly the opposite. Rock In America still jams pretty hard, and Sister Christian is about as cheesy as Truly by Lionel Ritchie.
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Like most of these albums, they are from the first half of the 80s and I was still finding my way in music. I didn't really start to buy albums with a purpose until the mid to late 80s, simply because that was my jr. high / high school years. So because of that, I didn't actually own most of these albums and by the time I revisted them, a greatest hits album was good enough.
Night Ranger is one of those bands that if it comes on the (internet / satellite) radio, I turn up the volume a couple of notches and enjoy the nostalgia. But I usually select their album directly.
I did have the pleasure of seeing Brad Gillis a foot away from my face as he played one of the early 90s Randy Rhoads benefit concerts. Now there is nostalgia. Borrowing my older friend's friend's driver's license that looked nothing like me, making tons of older friends at the front of the line so they helped me sell the "he's 23" lie. Just so I can see some of the most awesome guitar players play one after the other in an intimate and close up setting. I never really watched a Night Ranger concert, but was surprised to see Brad was one of the most animated players of the bunch. He just came off as a cool dude, despite being cursed with Bobby Blotzer's looks.
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Excellent album. I've seen Night Ranger twice in the past few years. They still kick considerable amounts of ass live. REALLY great sets both times. Joel Hoekstra was in the band when I saw them, which was extra cool.
Fun trivia: In the movie Sixteen Candles, there's the scene in the kitchen where they're discussing sleeping arrangements and Molly Ringwold asks where she's supposed to sleep. Her little brother says "Sofa city, sweetheart" then pulls his headphones back on. The music heard in his headphones is the outro solo to Rumors in the Air.
Around 2:30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhAiY3hTPpo
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Yup. Great ass kicking album. Great energy. Saw them on the 7 Wishes tour and they were great live.
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Fun trivia: In the movie Sixteen Candles, there's the scene in the kitchen where they're discussing sleeping arrangements and Molly Ringwold asks where she's supposed to sleep. Her little brother says "Sofa city, sweetheart" then pulls his headphones back on. The music heard in his headphones is the outro solo to Rumors in the Air.
I love shit like that! I love catching just a bit of music, in a movie or a TV show or whatever, and recognizing it and knowing that there aren't necessarily a lot of people who would know what it is, but I'm one of them. Ha ha. It makes me feel special. :heart
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NO arguments from me. I was a latecomer to the NR party but they wrote some great songs. I love the guitar playing but the production went on to feature the keyboard sound too much.
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I don't have this one, but have a Greatest Hits from 1989.
Honestly, this is one band where if you get that greatest hits, you are money. It has all of those hits from the 80s, all of which I think are still really good. Goodbye and Sentimental Street from Seven Wishes, in particular, are really great. :coolio
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So we've got Brad Gillis from Ozzy's band, and the other guitarist looks like Dave Murray. The first single they have for Don't Tell Me You Love Me absolutely rocks.
So I bought this. What a F'n disappointment! What a huge piece of suckage.
OK..carry on! ;D
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Well, it clearly doesn't hold up as well as Winger's first album, I agree.
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Well, it clearly doesn't hold up as well as Winger's first album, I agree.
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Well, it clearly doesn't hold up as well as Winger's first album, I agree.
:lol
It was Pre Winger Winger. Seriously!
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Tim doesn't like fun in his music.
You scrooge. :lol
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I wasn't a big fan of this album at first, but over time, I grew to really like it. It's a great blend of pop and prog, with neither really dominating. The melodies are strong, the playing is terrific as always, and the band sounds very inspired. "Duchess" is keyboardist Tony Banks' favorite Genesis song, and I can see why; it's a beautiful song. The two big hits, "Misunderstanding" and "Turn It on Again," are both great, catchy songs; and deep cuts like "Duke's Travels," "Heathaze" and "Cul-De-Sac" are just lovely songs. This is just a great listen from start to finish. I suspect Orbert will be along to say much more than I ever could about Duke. :coolio
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No one will ever confuse me with a Genesis fan, but I really like Turn It On Again.
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As folks here know, I'm a huge Genesis fan, and this is one of my favorites. The first CD I ever bought, to go with my first CD player which was a gift from my girlfriend, now wife, way back when. I had everything on vinyl, of course, but this was my birthday present to myself. Yeah, baby! ♫♫♫
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Apparently Genesis had a lot of hits because the only album of theirs I have is called Turn It On : The Hits and it has 34 tracks on it . I have never played it though.........so I can't say much about Genesis. I know the obvious hits from my era like Turn It On Again, Land of Confusion etc.....and quite like them but that's about it.
The pop era of Genesis and Phil Collins solo sort of blur into each other for me - some tracks I thought were Phil solo were actually Genesis.
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Apparently Genesis had a lot of hits because the only album of theirs I have is called Turn It On : The Hits and it has 34 tracks on it . I have never played it though.........so I can't say much about Genesis. I know the obvious hits from my era like Turn It On Again, Land of Confusion etc.....and quite like them but that's about it.
The pop era of Genesis and Phil Collins solo sort of blur into each other for me - some tracks I thought were Phil solo were actually Genesis.
I agree with the blur analogy. All I had was that greatest hits cd as well.
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I used to be a Peter Gabriel genesis snob, but no longer. Duke is a great album, every bit as good as any of the 70s genesis albums.
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I used to be a Peter Gabriel genesis snob, but no longer.
Same. Brilliant album. Not my favourite Genesis by a country mile, but its a good album.
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Pretty alright album,such a shame they followed it up with the pile of shit that is Abacab. :tdwn
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My brother had Duke on vinyl, but I didn't spin that album too much for some reason. I remember Misunderstanding being on the radio constantly. I only knew the radio hits through the 80s, and had Invisible Touch on vinyl as a teenager. Didn't explore 70s Genesis until about 7/8 years ago maybe. Love it plenty, but I don't often proactively seek out 70s Genesis when deciding what I want to play.
And I always preferred the Face Value version of Behind the Lines to this one.
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I didn't mention this one before, but when I finally did get into this album, Man of Our Times really stood out to me as being particularly great. Love that song.
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Man of Our Times is awesome. Some of Phil's heaviest drumming ever, probably his heaviest with Genesis, and a great vocal performance as well. I have never figured out what the song is about, but that raw emotion in Phil's voice is incredible and carries the song anyway.
Genesis had a 30-minute piece of music and a handful of "regular" songs and were ready to make a new album. They decided that since they'd already done the "side-long epic" thing with Supper's Ready, that they'd try something different, which is how they ended up spreading the Duke suite across the album.
Behind the Lines, Duchess, Guide Vocal, Turn It On Again, Duke's Travels, and Duke's End were the original suite. By opening and closing the album with it, placing Turn It On Again in the middle, and arranging the rest of the songs carefully, they were able to make the album into a loose narrative of some kind, but it's not a true concept album (although I was able to make it one in my mind back in the day).
Turn It On Again was my band's opening song for a while, back in the 80's. Great song. 13/4 time, for those following along at home.
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Catching up after being on vacation all week.
Scorpions is OK, was never a huge fan, but I love "Still Loving You."
Night Ranger is pretty great.
Duke is a really good album.
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Duke is great. I especially love Behind The Lines and Duchess.
This was one of my first Genesis records I bought on vinyl and I played those two songs to death. The rest isn't shabby either but the two Collins songs (Misunderstanding, Please Don't Ask) would be better placed on one of his solo albums.
And this version of Behind The Lines is far superior to Phil's solo version.
And Turn It On Again is one of the examples where an odd beat sounds totally normal and at first you don't recognize it isn't 4/4. I like this.
And in Heathaze you can really feel the heat coming out of the stereo :D
Like I said: great album.
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Sorry for the delay, 80s fans, but I was on vacation for a few days.. :coolio :hat
Back at it:
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IMO, when it comes to catchy synth pop, it doesn't get any better than Pet Shop Boys, and Actually is their best and most classic album from the 80s. "What Have I Done to Deserve This?," a duet with Dusty Springfield, has long been a favorite of mine, the other hits - "It's a Sin," "Hearts" and "Rent" - are all dynamite as well, and the rest of the album is more than solid. Synth pop can often sound so robotic and emotionless, but Pet Shop Boys always bring a great sense of melody to their music, and that is still shining through in their new music here in the 2010s. :hat
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I have to disagree. I always thought PSB were really dull and Neil had a monotone delivery.
Always preferred Erasure out of the two.
I did start liking PSB around the time of the "Very" album though - which I loved as an album.
So I can't comment on this album but ehhh - i'm contributing :lol
EDIT - I guess " It's A Sin " is a good tune. :)
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Always preferred Erasure out of the two.
Oh my God! :lol
I actually saw Erasure live. What a joke! WTF is that??
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I agree with the guy on the right :biggrin: I'm not totally immune to the charms of 80's pop but PSB (and synth pop in general ) never did much for me.
I didn't realise they were still around either.
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Always preferred Erasure out of the two.
Oh my God! :lol
I actually saw Erasure live. What a joke! WTF is that??
I don't care about the live show - I like their songs.
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Always preferred Erasure out of the two.
Oh my God! :lol
I actually saw Erasure live. What a joke! WTF is that??
I don't care about the live show - I like their songs.
Nah, that's cool. It's all good. I've never heard their music. It's not my thing, but I remember laughing my ass off when they came out on stage.
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I agree with the guy on the right :biggrin:
:lol
I was thinking the same thing.
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PSB can be quite catchy at times but also very very very annoying (Go West - I'm looking at you).
That said, I know only some of the hits and they are mostly alright I guess. But I don't own any albums and I don't think that will change.
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Great album. While all the four songs Kev mentioned are favorites, the one i most like is the epic closer King's Cross.
Synth pop can often sound so robotic and emotionless, but Pet Shop Boys always bring a great sense of melody to their music, and that is still shining through in their new music here in the 2010s. :hat
This. Love them and they are still making some pretty good albums such as Yes and Electric. In fact, they have a really consistent discography.
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Never liked the Pet Shop Boys, and I'm shocked that they are still around.
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I remember back in the 80's when Tony Banks of Genesis mentioned Pet Shop Boys as one of his favorite bands, and he named one of their albums as his favorite of all time (though I can't remember now which one it was). So maybe 10 years ago, after re-reading that quote somewhere, I downloaded a few of their albums and checked them out. Very pleasant sounding, well-written and well-produced, but ultimately I found it all a bit boring. Nice synth work, but there was just nothing to grab ahold of, and nothing that grabbed me, either. 80's MTV background music.
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Tony Banks sounds like a smart man. :tup :tup
Love them and they are still making some pretty good albums such as Yes and Electric. In fact, they have a really consistent discography.
They really do. I remember when I really got into them, like 4-5 years ago, I was shocked by how many good songs they have, and across many decades. Yes and Electric are both fantastic, as are Fundamental, Very, Introspective and, my favorite, Nightlife.
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I just never got into this style of music but I do understand their importance and their craft which is at a very high level. Just not my cup of tea,
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Never liked the Pet Shop Boys, and I'm shocked that they are still around.
They speak Very highly of you too. :neverusethis:
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I don't see this record generating much more chatter, so I'll throw another out tonight:
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Not sure why, but I never heard this whole album till maybe 10 years ago, and I was surprised by how much I liked it. Granted, Graceland was a known classic, so it shouldn't have surprised me, but it still did. I always figured Paul Simon's best stuff was with Art Gunfunkel, and I probably still think that for the most part, but this is still a really good record, even if he did allegedly steal some of it from Los Lobos. :lol
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This album got me into Ladysmith Black Mambazo....
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Love them and they are still making some pretty good albums such as Yes and Electric. In fact, they have a really consistent discography.
They really do. I remember when I really got into them, like 4-5 years ago, I was shocked by how many good songs they have, and across many decades. Yes and Electric are both fantastic, as are Fundamental, Very, Introspective and, my favorite, Nightlife.
I add Behaviour (my favorite), Bilingual and Please to that group. That way, they have nine, maybe ten great albums or, at least, pretty good albums. Consistency, my friend ;)
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I think Paul Simon's Graceland is supposed to be an album you don't admit to not liking for fear of being called a Philistine.
Never liked this album. In fact, I was drawn in with the Chevy Chase music video, but that just confirmed I really don't care for what this album supplies.
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Graceland is another one of those albums where I know the hits and really like them but I never got around to listen to the whole album.
And for a long time I thought Paul Simon looked like Chevy Chase ;D
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I don't see this record generating much more chatter, so I'll throw another out tonight:
I guess anything that isn't Rock won't generate much chatter :\
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Would be interesting to know how much chatter a rock record would generate on a synth-pop forum. :justjen
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What's the point of including other genres then?
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I'm not surprised that most don't like some styles of music. So since we are on a progressive metal messageboard, most will not respond. That's ok. You can still discuss it and if you notice, most who do respond were teens in the 80's are still responding if they like or dislike. There is no shock at the response or lack of on this forum.
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I'm a fan of this album. I like the fusion of genres, especially well-done as on Graceland. I also enjoyed Paul Simon's next release The Rhythm of the Saints.
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I don't have much to say about this one. Most of Paul Simon's work i know is with Garfunkel.
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I'm not surprised that most don't like some styles of music. So since we are on a progressive metal messageboard, most will not respond. That's ok. You can still discuss it and if you notice, most who do respond were teens in the 80's are still responding if they like or dislike. There is no shock at the response or lack of on this forum.
I think most here have a broader music taste than one would suspect on first glance. But on the other hand it isn't that surprising that on a prog rock/metal board, a rock record is normally more talked about/recognized/liked than a synth pop album. That said I like a lot of non rock/metal bands but Pet Shop Boys just isn't one of them.
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Hey, it was better loved than the Outfield album Kev posted for me. Right Kev! :lol
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I like a lot of non rock/metal bands but Pet Shop Boys just isn't one of them.
This.
But Graceland is a fantastic album. Paul Simon is a real artist, a craftsman of music.
And he's really, really short.
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I like a lot of non rock/metal bands but Pet Shop Boys just isn't one of them.
This.
But Graceland is a fantastic album. Paul Simon is a real artist, a craftsman of music.
And he's really, really short.
And he's hosted SNL 4 times and appeared a 5th time as musical guest!
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I've seen him with his 5 time smoking jacket. :lol
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Hey, it was better loved than the Outfield album Kev posted for me. Right Kev! :lol
Absolutely. :hat
I don't see this record generating much more chatter, so I'll throw another out tonight:
I guess anything that isn't Rock won't generate much chatter :\
I don't think that is true. The featured albums by Beastie Boys, Prince and Michael Jackson all generated good chatter.
Granted, since this is a forum for a prog metal, rock and metal have been the albums I have featured the most.
Love them and they are still making some pretty good albums such as Yes and Electric. In fact, they have a really consistent discography.
They really do. I remember when I really got into them, like 4-5 years ago, I was shocked by how many good songs they have, and across many decades. Yes and Electric are both fantastic, as are Fundamental, Very, Introspective and, my favorite, Nightlife.
I add Behaviour (my favorite), Bilingual and Please to that group. That way, they have nine, maybe ten great albums or, at least, pretty good albums. Consistency, my friend ;)
Hmmm, now you have me curious to check out Behaviour and Bilingual. I only have the hits from those two albums. A Red Letter Day is one of my favorites by them. :tup :tup
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I'm not surprised that most don't like some styles of music.
Well, I don't like folk, therefore I don't like Paul Simon. I do like aspects of world music, but more as a hyrbrid than pure world music. So Graceland went from a style I don't like toward a style I am very picky about. But in reality, I like most genres. Folk and country tend to be at the bottom of my list though.
Here's a bit of a problem with some of these artists on this thread. I like almost all of them. And I have their music in my collection, but half of them have been limited to a "best of" album. So I can comment more on the songs and artist than the album itself. Knowing I can't give a completely honest review of an album I only have 1/4 to 1/3 of the songs, I tend to shy away from joining the discussion ... or keep the comments limited.
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I get that, but more often than not in this thread, delving into comments on other albums and whatnot is fine, I think. I have said before that we should try to keep the discussion on the album at hand, but that is more or less a way of avoiding another "I like this album better" when it comes to bands discussed a ton here like Rush, Metallica, Maiden, Priest, etc. When it comes to artists like solo Paul Simon, Poison, Pet Shop Boys, Billy Idol, etc., featuring an album by them is a good way of giving those artists a featured day or two for them to be talked about, and if is strays from the featured album, so be it. I hope that makes sense.
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To be clear, it is just bad for me adding to the discussion. It is great for reminding me of artists I need to revisit. When they aren't putting out new albums or they just are putting out subpar albums these days, you forget that at one time you wanted to check them out a little more.
That's the problem with getting old. When you are young and building your initial collection, the past, present and near future are your oyster. But once you've filled out most of the past that interests you, finding new discoveries (for you) now has to follow a release schedule.
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Paul Simon is an artist that I associate with my Dad's record collection , so I heard a little of this album. Some of the artists in his collection became a big part of my life (Dire Straits, Doobie Brothers, Chicago) and others were stuff I could listen to and appreciate alright but never pursued further (John Denver, Glen Campbell, James Taylor etc...). Paul Simon falls into the latter category.
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I actually BOUGHT a Ladysmith Black Mambazo album because of this record...
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But Graceland is a fantastic album. Paul Simon is a real artist, a craftsman of music.
Agreed. Guy wrote The Sounds of Silence and The Boxer ffs.
Hmmm, now you have me curious to check out Behaviour and Bilingual. I only have the hits from those two albums. A Red Letter Day is one of my favorites by them. :tup :tup
You serious you never checked Behaviour? It's often viewed as their best album.
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I'll have to check it out. The songs I have from it - Being Boring, So Hard and Jealousy - have never been ones I listen to a lot, so I never bothered checking out the rest of the album.
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Well, if you aren't a fan of these three songs (especially Being Boring), i don't think you will like the album that much :-\
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I like those songs; I just don't love them.
The next album was recommended by The Curious Orange:
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I can't say I've ever heard this whole album, but the four hits are all good. In particular, "Big Love" and "Seven Wonders" are fantastic; "Little Lies" is a solid tune; and "Everywhere" is okay in the studio, while much better live when it is played faster. I still find the dynamic of Fleetwood Mac unique. So many relationships and personal conflicts over the years, and their videos were always interesting in the sense that the main focus was always on the songwriter/singer of that particular tune. For example, if you watch the video of "Big Love," it's like Lindsey Buckingham (a FANTASTIC guitar player, BTW) is the main guy and the others are his backing band. Then watch the video for "Seven Wonders" and it's Stevie Nicks who is the main one in the group, while the others get far less focus. Same for "Little Lies" and Christine McVie. I think that is kind of neat, instead of every video always giving equal focus to each member. Anyway, discuss Tango in the Night.
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Without going to youtube I cannot remember any of these tracks other than Little Lies.
When I think classic 80's Mac, I think Mirage.
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Well, Mirage does have my favorite FM song, Gypsy, and Hold Me is great, too, so I might agree, but I think Tango... was bigger.
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You may be right. I honestly don't remember.
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It still felt like a weaker album in their discography.
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You know....Ladysmith Black Mambazo won a Grammy for their own album after appearing on Graceland....
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Tango in the Night is a fantastic album by Fleetwood Mac. It pales compared to Rumors, of course, but so does almost everything else.
Great musicianship in this band, and all of the complicated relationships made for a unique melting pot of ideas and emotions.
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Graceland really was a stunning album. No one had ever done anything like that before, or t least not that well or that sucessfully. Just about every song is a classic. It's one of the best albums of the 80s by a country mile, it's culturally important in that it brought the cultural boycott of South Africa back into the spotlight, and the video for Call Me Al was really innovative too.
Tango In The Night is an amazing album in that it was a contemporary pop album from a bunch of old-school rockers. The Mac defied the music industry by coming up with something modern and relevant, with Fairlight synths and hi-NRG pop tunes. Although Rumours will always overshadow everything the band have done since, it's worth remembering that Tango was also a huge seller, and was no tthat far behind.
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It is just me, or was Mick Fleetwood's snare drum sound always awesome? It's very thick and fat, but never overpowering to where it overshadows the other instruments. If I was a drummer, I would want my drumming to sound on record like his does.
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I guess it was just me. :lol
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If I had to make a list of popular bands I simply never "got," R.E.M., aside from a few songs, would be right near the top of the list. The biggest hit from Document here, "The One I Love," was played non-stop on the radio and MTV for months, and while its popularity was easy to understand, I never really cared for it. My older brother Tim liked them and had this on cassette, so I heard it quite a bit back in the day, and none of it ever appealed to me. I think a large part of it is that Michael Stipe's voice generally annoys me. But I know this is considered a big classic, so have at it, R.E.M. fans.
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The biggest hit from Document here, "The One I Love," was played non-stop on the radio and MTV for months
another one of those songs that people misinterpret as a "love" song. It obviously isn't if you pay attention to the lyrics.
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There is no band on earth I find more annoying than R.E.M., and up to this time you simply can't escape them. The One I Love and especially Losing My Religion (the most boring and annoying song that was ever recorded) are still around and some people still think it's a good idea to play them when I'm around. Someday I will go on a killing rampage because of that. >:( ;D
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Good job you came in this thread just to post that.....
Anyway - I loved REM and Document is one of their best albums. Miles better than Green. Finest Worksong, The One I Love, Disturbance At The Heron House...and my favourite all time REM song -
- it's the end of the world as we know it ( and I feel fine ) - which I played at 00:00 on Jan 1st 2000 :D
This could be their best IRS album besides Murmur too.
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Good job you came in this thread just to post that.....
Yeah, I thought that too.
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R.E.M. seems to have regular songs, kinda weird songs, and songs which are just the same thing over and over and over until you want to kill somebody (but would probably settle for just breaking something really expensive). The hits seem to fall into the last category. I could live a rich and happy life without ever hearing "The One I Love" or "Orange Crush" ever again. Does no one even realize that it's literally the same words over and over again the entire song?
I like their regular songs okay, but I like the weird ones best of all. I love that riff on "Feeling Gravity's Pull". "Superman" is an awesome singalong.
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Count me in as a fan of this album and this band. They have a dark side, a melancholy side that I love.
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REM is a band that I respect, but am not into personally.
I remember in the early 80's when there was a great boom in college radio, and REM was right at the forefront of it.
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Does no one even realize that it's literally the same words over and over again the entire song?
So, most songs by most artists?
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Uh, no. Most songs actually have verses. For example, if a song has three verses, it has three verses, not the same verse repeated three times. Another example would be a song with two verses. It has two verses, not one verse repeated twice. See the difference?
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R.E.M. is more important than they are good.
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Uh, no. Most songs actually have verses. For example, if a song has three verses, it has three verses, not the same verse repeated three times. Another example would be a song with two verses. It has two verses, not one verse repeated twice. See the difference?
Not really. I can think of a TON of songs that are basically the same versus repeated.. maybe some alternating.. but no less than your R.E.M example and I'm not really a fan of them by any means.
At 3:17 I don't see how you can fit much more content in there for the pace.
This one goes out to the one I love
This one goes out to the one I've left behind
A simple prop to occupy my time
This one goes out to the one I love
Fire
Fire
This one goes out to the one I love
This one goes out to the one I've left behind
A simple prop to occupy my time
This one goes out to the one I love
Fire (she's comin' down on her own, now)
Fire (she's comin' down on her own, now)
This one goes out to the one I love
This one goes out to the one I've left behind
Another prop has occupied my time
This one goes out to the one I love
Fire (she's comin' down on her own, now)
Fire (she's comin' down on her own, now)
Fire (she's comin' down on her own, now)
Fire (she's comin' down on her own, now)
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Not a fan of REM. Don't even have a greatest hits album from them.
At the time of their popularity, it was kind of a college thing (even though I was still in middle/high school). It really felt like it was an inside joke. That nobody actually listened to them on purpose, but would pretend they did in conversation. My youth friends had quite the range of styles they listened to so I was exposed to every genre frequently. But only one friend claimed to love REM, yet they were never played at his house, his car, the beach, etc. He was never in the mood for it, but "they are great".
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REM were the first band where i'd actually been upset about them splitting.
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Fun Fact : Ever noticed how " Bad Day " and " It's The End Of The World s We Know It " sound kinda similar ?
Well they were originally two versions of the same song that got split into two songs.
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I thought Document was a slightly strange choice since they have more well regarded albums from that decade (especially Murmur).
edit: even though it has two of their best songs, The One i Love and It's the End of the World.
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Murmur or Fables of The Reconstruction.
Cuyahoga :drool:
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I don't remember the non-hits from this - it has been decades since I heard them - but the hits from Rio are all tremendous. "Hungry Like the Wolf" literally launched them into the musical stratosphere, the title track is a great summer time with a surprisingly killer bass line, and "Save a Prayer" has some of the coolest keyboard playing heard in pop music in the 80s. Duran Duran was one of THE monster MTV bands of the early 80s, and this is the record that made them household names.
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I bought this cassette with Piece Of Mind! What a combo.
I love this album. Saw them on this tour.
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Not a fan of REM. Don't even have a greatest hits album from them.
At the time of their popularity, it was kind of a college thing (even though I was still in middle/high school). It really felt like it was an inside joke. That nobody actually listened to them on purpose, but would pretend they did in conversation. My youth friends had quite the range of styles they listened to so I was exposed to every genre frequently. But only one friend claimed to love REM, yet they were never played at his house, his car, the beach, etc. He was never in the mood for it, but "they are great".
I am right there with you.
Duran Duran: I did not dislike them at the time, but I like them more now than I did then. They were HUGE with the girls my freshman year of H.S. You could not go anywhere without seeing "Duran Duran" or "I :heart Simon" drawn on some girl's book cover. :lol Good times. The songs and the videos bring back a lot of great memories.
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Great vocals, and showed unexpected musical depth sometimes. I don't exactly have "favorite" 80's bands, but Duran Duran were good.
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Well into the 80's discussion and only NOW Duran Duran? :angry:
Seriously though, I've been collecting their twelve inches in those days and was always amazed at what a fantastic groove these guys had. Those basslines are insane. Go listen to Planet Earth, Girls on Film, My Own Way, Rio, Hungry like the wolf.....so tight all the way through. But some great athmospheric songs as well. Too bad they got patched into the whole 'looks like a boy-band' niche so they were never taken too seriously musically, but live they really proved their mettle. The first three records (well, ok, Rio and Seven and the rugged tiger, the selftitled is just a little uneven, qualitywise) are really gold. Off course, the marketing on them was flawless from the start and their looks didn't hurt as well. Le Bon's vocals are love em'/hate 'em though.
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If you lived in the 80s you couldn't escape Duran Duran. All the girls were crazy for them and while that may have helped them in terms of record sales they weren't always recognized as the good musicians that they are. I don't own an album by them but I know all the hits and a lot of the deeper cuts, because most of my friends (mostly the girls ;D) played them nonstop for a while. And I really liked that I heard.
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Not much more to add on DD. Great blend of pop and rock. Their music still holds a warm place in my heart to this day.
Not a fan of REM. Don't even have a greatest hits album from them.
There's a reason for that - they don't have any 'greatest hits'.
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Not much more to add on DD. Great blend of pop and rock. Their music still holds a warm place in my heart to this day.
Not a fan of REM. Don't even have a greatest hits album from them.
There's a reason for that - they don't have any 'greatest hits'.
Well, they do have one early in their career. It's called Eponymous and it was released in 1988. It covers from the first 5 albums on their I.R.S. contract.
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I don't mind the old Duran Duran. Simon Le Bon is a terrible yet somehow likable singer and frontman.
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Duran Duran is yet another early 80s band that was too early for the real beginning of my musical collection. One of my best friends loved them and we watched the videos and listened to his Duran Duran tapes all the time. But I never bought the tape. The physical image is probably what kept me from revisiting them when I did begin building my album collection.
But then I was working out at the gym and they were always playing Come Undone and Ordinary World. I started to accept that I liked them. Then my grandfather succumbed to cancer. It really put me in a hollow mood. Went to the gym and the song Come Undone came on and the whole feel of the song just made the sadness all hit at once. Tried to finish my workout but couldn't. After my grandfather stopped dominating my thoughts (the whole "I'm never going to see him again"), I fully accepted that Duran Duran just might be an incredibly good band.
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Damn bro. Come Undone is indeed a good song, strong atmosphere too.
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I just checked out Come Undone -never heard it before . I just know Hungry Like The Wolf , View To A Kill etc.. ........they never blow me away but are usually an enjoyable listen.
I don't own any Duran Duran but I do have Andy Taylor's solo album (Thunder) .
REM I am not interested in.
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Thunder is an ass kicking album. Shocked the hell out of me when Andy Taylor came out with it.
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Duran Duran is one of the better 80's bands. Good chops, and they knew how to make a pop record.
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Good band. Certainly not good as other 80's pop bands mentioned in this thread but still good.
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Well into the 80's discussion and only NOW Duran Duran? :angry:
I've been trying to space it out, instead of just featuring all of the obvious ones early. There are still a few majorly classics bands/albums I have to get to.
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Don´t worry mate, I´m not mad.... Modern Talking? Yazoo? Eurythmics? ;D
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Don´t worry mate, I´m not mad.... Modern Talking? Yazoo? Eurythmics? ;D
We didn't hear much of Modern Talking & the Yazoo in the US even with MTV.
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Modern Talking is a crime against humanity, it should not be mentioned on a DT board. Come to think of it, it should not be mentioned at all.
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How about Terrence ´Trent´ Darby then?
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Oh yeah. Wishing Well was huge here.
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Not a big fan but he had some cool stuff going
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I'll say this, Duran Duran ruled! I had heard so much of their stuff, just being around girls, and as much as I wanted to say that it all sucked, it really didn't They were really excellent musicians.
I actually remember listening to a King Biscuit show around '82-'83 and not knowing who the band was, I thought it was really rocking. When they got to the last song, they played Planet Earth. I immediately recognized the song from MTV, but I thought it was weird for a rock band to cover such a new song. Then the announcer comes on and says "You've been listening to Duran Duran". and I was :omg:
I saw them twice. Late in the 80's and early in the 90's. Andy Taylor was already gone. A great show both times.
How about Terrence ´Trent´ Darby then?
Saw him open at one of the Duran Duran shows. He was GREAT!!
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John Mellancamp is one of those guys who songs always sound pretty good, but rarely do much for me anymore. All four big hits from this record sound like good, solid tunes, but I don't care if I hear any of them ever again. That said, Scarecrow was a very popular album, and arguably his most classic of the 80s.
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I have to disagree on that - IMO, Johnny Cougar's iconic 80s album is American Fool, as that REALLY put him on the map--"Jack and Diane", "Hurts So Good", and "Hand to Hold On To" at the very least.
That said... while JCM has always made good music, I've never felt compelled to go beyond the hits. Which is odd, because an old friend of mine LOVED him. As always, ymmv lol :lol
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I've known a few people from Indiana, and they all think Mellencamp is God. Those hoosiers sure stick together. :lol :lol
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You know, I think my friend was originally from Indiana. :lol
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Not my favorite album from Mellencamp but a big album non the less. I love Whenever We Wanted from him.
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I kinda thought Uh Huh was the big iconic album. That was the one that first started using his full name, and he started really exploding on MTV. I even remember an MTV contest involving painting a house pink. (because of the hit Pink Houses)
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I have to disagree on that - IMO, Johnny Cougar's iconic 80s album is American Fool, as that REALLY put him on the map--"Jack and Diane", "Hurts So Good", and "Hand to Hold On To" at the very least.
That said... while JCM has always made good music, I've never felt compelled to go beyond the hits.
Agreed... his 3 album run AF, Uh-Huh, and Scarecrow sure produced a lot of radio airplay. But, I never owned any of his albums. J&D is his flagship song, imo.
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I have to disagree on that - IMO, Johnny Cougar's iconic 80s album is American Fool, as that REALLY put him on the map--"Jack and Diane", "Hurts So Good", and "Hand to Hold On To" at the very least.
This, for sure.
But Scarecrow is really good. I like this album a lot.
JCM is distinctive. He has his own "voice", which is not something I can say about a lot of artists.
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J&D is his flagship song, imo.
That was actually one of the heaviest sounding riffs on radio at the time :lol
I too never owned anything of his but I certainly didn't turn the radio off when he came on .
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I too never owned anything of his but I certainly didn't turn the radio off when he came on .
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J&D is his flagship song, imo.
That was actually one of the heaviest sounding riffs on radio at the time :lol
this was probably my first "favorite song"
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Sheesh. Every one of these artists / albums have strong childhood memories attached.
Obviously, if you drew breath in the USA, then you knew about John Cougar Mellencamp. I even remember a friend talking about "John Cougar? So obviously a fake name." It was always just outside my real interest in music I would collect. But I specifically recall going to a local Commodore Users Group meeting and R.O.C.K. in the USA playing. Everybody else was ridiculously older than me, so I was a kid hearing all the older dudes mocking sing to the song C.O.C.K. in the USA. So that really imprinted that song on my fragile, young mind.
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I kinda thought Uh Huh was the big iconic album. That was the one that first started using his full name, and he started really exploding on MTV. I even remember an MTV contest involving painting a house pink. (because of the hit Pink Houses)
It was a toss-up for me between Uh Huh and Scarecrow. Either way, I figured this would fall under the "discuss all things John Mellencamp" banner, since we so rarely discuss him, lol.
Agreed... his 3 album run AF, Uh-Huh, and Scarecrow sure produced a lot of radio airplay.
I'd extend that to 4 albums and include The Lonesome Jubilee.
The only Mellencamp album I have ever actually owned is Mr. Happy Go Lucky, from 1996, which is actually quite good from start to finish.
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Kev, that's a good album as well. I also love Human Wheels. Great dark album.
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Page 40 and still no Jesus And Mary Chain? :eek
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Page 40 and still no Jesus And Mary Chain? :eek
They were nowhere near as big as, well, anyone else that's been discussed.
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Kev, that's a good album as well. I also love Human Wheels. Great dark album.
A friend I had back at the office I worked at in my 20s always talked that album up to me; I thought it was okay.
The deep cut Large World Turning from Mr. Happy Go Lucky still stands out to me as one of the best songs I've heard by him. I love the chaotic nature of that main acoustic-driven riff.
And of course, I Need a Lover is still great.
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Page 40 and still no Jesus And Mary Chain? :eek
They were nowhere near as big as, well, anyone else that's been discussed.
But this is a thread about classic albums, not the most popular (or at least i though so).
I will participate too: Page 40 and still no The Cure? :P
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Patience. This thread is not over yet. :biggrin:
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I'll admit to not being much of a fan of Black Sabbath outside of their first six albums, but Heaven and Hell is the one big exception; what an utterly fantastic record. I remember a friend telling me about it many years ago, and I responded, "No Ozzy? How good can it be?" Then he played me "Children of the Sea," and I immediately realized how wrong my doubts were. "Lonely Is the Word" and the title track are favorites of mine as well, but the whole thing is a great listen.
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Page 40 and still no Jesus And Mary Chain? :eek
They were nowhere near as big as, well, anyone else that's been discussed.
But this is a thread about classic albums, not the most popular (or at least i though so).
I will participate too: Page 40 and still no The Cure? :P
It's THE Jesus and Mary Chain ;) and I agree that even though it's an underground classic, I'm not sure it's right for this thread.
However The Cure is another story. KMKMKM and Disintegration are both multi-platinum classics that would work perfectly for this thread. I would have more to say about Disintegration, because I'm ashamed to say that even though I love The Cure, I've never had opportunity to hear KMKMKM from start to finish. (I know...)
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Who cares if an album is multi platinum or whatever, this thread is about classics man...
Both bands qualify, with Psychocandy and Disintegration.
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Who cares if an album is multi platinum or whatever, this thread is about classics man...
Both bands qualify, with Psychocandy and Disintegration.
I would say that a true classic has to be a combination of both. Otherwise, I would have said Pornography....IMO, that is the true groundbreaking album from The Cure. But it simply wasn't as big as the other two I mentioned. IMO (and it's not my thread, so it's not my call) these albums should really be albums that didn't just sell well, and didn't just have huge influence...they managed to walk the line between both and succeed on both levels.
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Ok, but that is a bit unfair to albums that are great but never intended to be commercial in the first place, especially experimental stuff.
An example of that is an album like Velvet Underground & Nico.
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a) that album is from the freaking 1960s, not the 1980s, so in the context of this thread, who cares?
b) let's save the Cure talk for when they have an album featured, which I implied will happen at some point.
c) So, that Heaven and Hell is a classic record, eh?
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Lol, ok man, no need to get upset :-X
Heaven and Hell may be my favorite Black Sabbath album, especially because Children of the Sea and Neon Knights :metal
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Ok, but that is a bit unfair to albums that are great but never intended to be commercial in the first place, especially experimental stuff.
An example of that is an album like Velvet Underground & Nico.
To me there is a pretty clear line between albums that each of us consider "classics" (great albums) that just happened to be released in the 80's- or any era - and the sort of era defining albums that have a certain amount of popular awareness and are widely considered era/genre defining.
The 80's is where I grew up and I believe I have heard of all of the artists featured in this thread so far. Some of them I consider personal classics , many of them I don't. But I would have a hard time arguing that any of these artists/albums are not "80's classics"
The Jesus and Mary Chain ........well I had never heard of them until now and they don't sound particularly representative of that era to these 80's ears.
The Cure..........I don't like them but I would understand them being featured.
Heaven & Hell is certainly a metal classic from the era. All of the tracks that Kev mentioned +Neon Knights are great......the rest I can take or leave (like most Dio fronted albums I love half and the rest not so much).
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H&H is one of my all time favourite albums. Classic from beginning to end.
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Live Evil back in 1983 was my first introduction to Sabbah.
I'd never even heard of Ozzy, a guy at school had the record, we shared it around, taped it and I was hooked.
Then I discovered the H&H album, what a classic with every song holding it's own.
Even the 'lesser' known songs are right up there.
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Not much of a Black Sabbath fan.
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H&H is one of my all time favourite albums. Classic from beginning to end.
Just an incredible album.
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Yep, simply brilliant.
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Not one of my fav BS albums by any means but I can see the charm. Also is there a list of albums mentioned so far? I'd like to suggest some punk. Possibly "Milo Goes To College" by Descendents and "Damaged" by Black Flag?
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Not one of my fav BS albums by any means but I can see the charm. Also is there a list of albums mentioned so far? I'd like to suggest some punk. Possibly "Milo Goes To College" by Descendents and "Damaged" by Black Flag?
"Well, I had never heard of them until now and they don't sound particularly representative of that era" ::)
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Not one of my fav BS albums by any means but I can see the charm. Also is there a list of albums mentioned so far? I'd like to suggest some punk. Possibly "Milo Goes To College" by Descendents and "Damaged" by Black Flag?
"Well, I had never heard of them until now and they don't sound particularly representative of that era" ::)
Every music lover must have listened to both those albums imo.
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Also is there a list of albums mentioned so far?
In the OP.
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It was me being ironic, Lolzeez. Read the latest posts.
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Also is there a list of albums mentioned so far?
In the OP.
Thanks!
It was me being ironic, Lolzeez. Read the latest posts.
Oh wow,nice one. :lol
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I'll admit to not being much of a fan of stuff like rap, punk, etc., which is why I was all for being PMd recommendations, since I am not likely to know classics in those genres other than the truly biggies.
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It was me being ironic, Lolzeez. Read the latest posts.
Oh wow,nice one. :lol
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I'm all ears if you want to convince me with some reasoned argument that I am wrong about an artist being an iconic/classic artist of the 80's but if all you can offer is sarcasm and perhaps some uni time your parents spent in the 80's , then I won't mind the bollocks.
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well I had never heard of them until now and they don't sound particularly representative of that era to these 80's ears.
Yeah, that's a reasoned argument. They don't sound particularly representative even though you aren't familiar with their music.
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I said I had never heard of them prior -not that I hadn't checked out some of their stuff (I listened to Psychocandy) prior to posting that. ;) I would never post something like that without at least checking out the music in question.
Like I said........I am not saying that any of these albums are not "classics" as I believe that is personal taste , but to be a classic of an era (rather than an "underground classic" ) I would've thought a certain amount of popular recognition or association with the time would be required. All I was saying that if a music whore like me who lived the time hadn't heard of them or didn't relate at all to the sound then perhaps there is some question about that.
Sorry to derail the thread topic.......just semantics I suppose.
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Okay so you want me to convince you that Descendents' "Milo Goes to College" is a classic. Sure. Here's some copy pasta.
Milo Goes to College has been included in several lists of noteworthy punk albums. Spin has listed it several times, ranking it 74th in a 1995 list of the best alternative albums and 20th in a 2001 list of "The 50 Most Essential Punk Records", and including it in a 2004 list of "Essential Hardcore" albums. In these lists, critic Simon Reynolds described the album as "Fifteen Cali-core paroxysms that anatomize dork-dude pangs with haiku brevity", while Andrew Beaujon called it "Super clean, super tight, super poppy hardcore about hating your parents, riding bikes, and not wanting to 'smell your muff.' Obviously, Blink-182 owe this bunch of proud California losers everything." In 2006 Kerrang! ranked it as the 33rd greatest punk album of all time.[30] The LA Weekly ranked it the fourth greatest Los Angeles punk album of all time in a 2012 list, with Kai Flanders remarking "Every song speaks to [the listener's] teenage fucked-up-ness, from feeling incredibly horny to just wanting to hit someone for no reason."
Several notable artists and musicians cite Milo Goes to College as a favorite and influence, including Mike Watt of the Minutemen, David Nolte of The Last, and Zach Blair of Hagfish, Only Crime, and Rise Against. Dave Grohl of Nirvana and the Foo Fighters opined that "If the Descendents had made Milo Goes to College in 1999, they’d be living in fucking mansions. That’s a fucking amazing record." Joey Cape of Lagwagon remarked that the album "was just huge in punk and to me. I don’t think there would have been a [Lagwagon] song like 'Angry Days' without that album." Fat Mike of NOFX has cited Milo Goes to College as his favorite record of all time, and said that hearing the song "Kabuki Girl" on Rodney Bingenheimer's Rodney on the ROQ program on KROQ-FM was a significant moment in his youth. Chris Shary, who has done artwork for the Descendents and their successor band, All, since 1998, remarked that "From the minute that I heard the beginning it was like 'this is the music that I have been waiting for.'" Photographer Glen E. Friedman, who photographed the band during the early 1980s, recalled that "the album had just come out, and coincidentally I had my own little heartbreak as a teenager, and I heard that song 'Hope' and I gotta say that I had never in my life related to a song about love ever before until I heard that song. I was just 'Wow, this is fucking heavy. This guy's hurting even more than I am, and this is desperation.' A whole new world opened up of a depth of emotion in music for me."
Just because Descendents weren't on MTV, doesn't mean that they weren't popular. Millions of people are still inspired by them,including myself. A real classic band that still holds up today.
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When did I mention Descendants ??? My whole distinction between classic and "80's classic" is obviously not something we can agree on , so let's just agree to disagree.
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When did I mention Descendants ???
Never,but you wanted me to convince you with my picks right?
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I am convinced that you and others believe it to be a classic ;D And I only ever questioned The Jesus and Mary Chain.
If Kev features your album in the thread then I will happily abide by his judgement :angel:
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Like I said........I am not saying that any of these albums are not "classics" as I believe that is personal taste , but to be a classic of an era (rather than an "underground classic" ) I would've thought a certain amount of popular recognition or association with the time would be required.
Ok, agree to disagree then as i don't think an album needs popular recognition to be a classic.
Taking The Cure, per example, if that means Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me is a classic and Pornography isn't, yeah, i never will agree with that. That album wasn't meant to be featured at the radio anyway.
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Well, you all pissing and moaning about all of the crap only makes me want to go into another direction for the next featured album...
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I'll have to admit that Steve Winwood for a guy for me, in the 80s, was always on, and I never minded his songs; they were just on so damn much! Back in the High Life was his biggie, featuring three monster hits, but I was partial to his remake of "Valerie" (which added more drums and made it sound better) and "While You See a Chance." One thing cannot be denied that that lead keyboard tone he used a lot in the 80s was freaking great; it was so lush, so organic and Winwood knew just when to add little accents and flourishes to augment the songs. Just one single note played with that tone was pretty much the hook in "Valerie!" So yeah, while not a big fan of his at all, my appreciation for his work has gone up.
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My appreciation for him recently went up too when I took the time to watch him in Clapton's band at Crossroads...........he had a bit more to his resume than I had realised prior and I had never really taken the time to check out Blind Faith prior to seeing that.
Another artist that I have never owned an album from but whose material I enjoyed enough when I heard it (often!)..... it brings back plenty of memories from the time. A very distinctive vocal and keyboard sound.
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When I first heard of him in the 80s I didn't know that he was around for such a long time.
I had this album on cassette, recorded from a friend's vinyl back then. I liked the hits well enough and some of the deep cuts are okay too. But when my cassette player broke and wasn't replaced I didn't bother to get it on cd. The one album I have of him is Roll With It and I absolutely loved it back then and still do today.
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Guys, drop the conflict. This is Kev's thread, and he clearly stated that if you have suggestions, PM him. Stop spamming the thread with your ideas about what should or shouldn't be featured.
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Don't think I ever heard the whole thing... But a girl I once had a crush on liked it. I really liked The Finer Things a lot, and whenever I hear that song it reminds me of her.
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Steve Winwood is fantastic. A very tasteful musician, and a good songwriter.
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We've talked before about songs that were played to death on MTV, and Roll with It was one of those songs. You couldn't go two hours back in 1988 without seeing that video. But hey, it went to number 1, IIRC, so it's not like it was another one of those monster MTV videos that was only a minor pop chart hit.
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I am not a fan of rap or Public Enemy, and I doubt I've ever heard much of It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, but I know it's considered a classic, so here ya go, rap fans. Enjoy. :biggrin:
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Bass! How low can you go? Deathrow? What a brother know!
This one blew the doors to hiphop wide open for me. The were the best and no one touched them in those days. The even crossed over to metal with an Antrax riff on 'She watches channel zero'. Creative, innovative sampling, dj'ing and rapping. Productionwise still one of the best rap albums ever made, only their own 'Fear of a Black Planet' comes close.
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BRING THE NOISE!
Great album, great production. Also, Rebel Without a Pause.
Public Enemy was legit.
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I just couldn't get into rap. Of course from MTV I know a few song but it's just not my cup of tea.
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I just couldn't get into rap. Of course from MTV I know a few song but it's just not my cup of tea.
I'm agreeing with everything you say today :omg: This.
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Rap is not tea. ´Yo, I ain´t milktoast!´
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I just couldn't get into rap. Of course from MTV I know a few song but it's just not my cup of tea.
I'm agreeing with everything you say today :omg: This.
LOL
Rap is not tea. ´Yo, I ain´t milktoast!´
Sheeeeeiiiit.
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Ah,an album that's still relevant. Nice. Anyways Public Enemy are pretty alright but Fear Of A Blank Planet is their best imo,i know it's not from the 80s though so It Takes is the obvious pick. But yeah,lots of classics on here. :tup
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One of the albums that showed what hip hop could be before the 90s. It probably is the most essential early hip hop album :tup
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Individually, the songs are good. And for their time, they were breaking new ground. But put as a collection of songs into an album, they can become extremely repetitive.
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Individually, the songs are good. And for their time, they were breaking new ground. But put as a collection of songs into an album, they can become extremely repetitive.
all of this
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I think the Pretenders are one of those bands that many know the hits by, but good luck getting them most to name a non-hit. I am one of those people. :lol But their debut album, simply named Pretenders, is often highly touted as a classic, so I think the band is worth featuring here for a day or two. "Brass Pocket" is the big hit there that most probably know; I did not recognize "Kids" or "Stop Your Sobbing," the other two hits. However, I did recognize the instrumental "Space Invader," because it was featured on the Sopranos once, so I guess I do know one non-hit. :biggrin:
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If I heard a song I recognized by the Pretenders I'd automatically assume it was a hit because, once again, greatest hits album check; individual albums, no.
Mystery Achievement wasn't a hit? I recognized that one. Wouldn't be able to come up with the title on my own though.
Brass in Pocket is just so far ahead of all the other songs though. Like most bands, the best work is when band members actually work together on a song.
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This is one of the bands that music press and radio djs have hyped thoughout the 80s and yet I've never met someone who actually owned an album. The hits were known but that was it.
From what I heard of them the Pretenders were a fairly mediocre band, never really got into their music and some of the later hits (Don't Get Me Wrong) got on my nerves quickly.
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I actually own 2 albums by them! (ok, one's a 'best of'). Pretenders is just a solid band. Somehow Chrissy Hynde's voice clicks on an emotional level with me.
Nothing too special, and undoubtably 'pop', but songs like 'brass in pocket', and especially 'back on the chain gang' do something to me. It's just wellcrafted popsongs.
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Pretenders were OK. Nothing special.
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They were a OK solid mediocre band :P
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The Pretenders had some good, catchy tunes. "Middle of the Road" is probably my fave. Rockin', high energy, and two breaks including a wicked harp solo.
I saw a picture once of The Pretenders in some magazine in the 80's, and Chrissie looked amazing. I've never considered her ugly, but not particularly attractive either. As with any artist, it still comes down to the music. But she looked totally hot in this one pic. In every picture before or since, any video or concert, she still looks very "middle of the road" to me. But somehow it's nice to know that she can look hot. This comforts me.
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Tattooed Love Boys was a song on Rock Band, so I know that one. I certainly like that son A LOT better than Brass In Pocket. I may have to do some digging to see if the rest of their songs are as good.
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The Pretenders had some good, catchy tunes. "Middle of the Road" is probably my fave. Rockin', high energy, and two breaks including a wicked harp solo.
Yes, the harp solo is great. The guitar solo is fun and reckless, too.
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For today's feature album, I am copying and pasting what I said about in the discography thread on them a while back:
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When 1987 rolled around, I still only really knew a few U2 songs: "Pride," "New Year's Day" and "Sunday Bloody Sunday," plus I think I might have heard a few songs from War since my brother Tim had that on cassette and listened to it a lot. So when a song called "With or Without You" came out in the spring and instantly got played seemingly every hour on MTV, I was initially a tad turned off. It just didn't grab me for the most part, except for the outro (the last minute), which I did think was great, and slowly but surely, I grew to like the whole song. Before I knew it, a second single from the new album, "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For," was all over the place, and that was one I did like a lot at first. When the third single came out, in the form of "Where the Streets Have No Name," I was hooked. i think it wasn't long after that that I went out and bought the cassette of The Joshua Tree.
It sounds like a cliche, but you really had to be there at the time to recognize just how truly massive this album was. Even in, 1987, a year where hair metal was nearly at its popularity peak, U2 dominated, thanks to those hits and the overall greatness of the record. The record is an easy listen, and the running order couldn't be any better, and the story behind that is kind of funny. When the band was finishing up the album, they hadn't decided on a running order, but the wife of Steve Lillywhite, who was there to remix the potential hits, said she'd do it, and they let her do with it, with the only caveats being that "Streets" had to first and "Mothers of the Disappeared" had to be last. Tracks 2-10 pretty much consisted of her putting them in order of how much she liked them, her favorite being track 2, 2nd favorite being track 3, etc.
Back to "Streets," even back then, even though I loved it, I knew it had that "it could have been better" feel to it. Edge specifically wrote the song to be their ultimate live song, and in that regard, he slammed it out of the park; it is their best live tune. The band themselves have even said they really didn't play the song to its full potential for years. Tweaks over the years have only made it better and better.
During my initial stage of getting to know this record, the back-to-back of "Bullet the Blue Sky" and "Running to Stand Still" were real eye-openers for me. I listened to those songs as much as any songs that year, and the band, knowing how well they go together, have always played them back-to-back live. "Bullet" is another tune that is far better live, and it is pretty awesome in the studio, so that says a lot. It's hard to top the studio version of "Running," but I think the version on the Zoo TV tour came pretty damn close. I still listen to both versions a ton.
As for Side 2, my favorites are "One Tree Hill" and "Red Hill Mining Town," the latter of which, unbelievably, has never been played live. "In God's Country" is a fun little rocker, and "Exit" was a pretty good tune that really came to life when played live (imagine that :lol). The aforementioned "Mothers of the Disappeared" is a fine closer, ending the album on a depressing note, but really showed how well the band could do other things. "Trip Through Her Wires" is just kind of there for me, although it's fine when listening to the whole album; it's just not a song I seek out on its own.
Overall, I would call this the 2nd best album U2 has ever done. It's a true classic, in every sense of the word.
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My favorite U2 songs are probably New Years Day and Beautiful Day. One has a nice tense feel and the other has a great uplifting feel that can actually turn a bad day good for me when it comes on.
Having said that, The Joshua Tree is probably the most consistently good album from beginning to end. Just looking at it on my foobar2000, the most 5 star song ratings appear on this album. Where the Streets Have no Name is probably my favorite, but Bullet the Blue Sky is pretty great as well.
The fact that DT's FII b-side U2isms are 1987. About a decade late for "top of the charts" copying.
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This is a titanic, colossal album.
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I really don't like U2 on the whole but this album is in my collection and I enjoy plenty of the songs on it. Certainly an 80's classic.
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Their best album.
They haven't matched it since. Achtung Baby came close though.
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Outstanding album, from beginning to (almost) end. It was one of my initial cassettes in the 12 for 1 cent deal with Columbia House (remember them?), around 1989-1990, so I have fond memories of it. I thought the first side of the cassette was one of the best halves of albums I had ever heard (Where The Streets Have No Name to Running To Stand Still), and I still think of the album in those terms to this day, even though I upgraded to the CD around 1992-1993.
It loses a little bit in the second half with Trip Through Your Wires, Exit, and Mothers of the Disappeared. I was not a fan of Red Hill Mining Town, In God's Country or One Tree Hill initially, but they became major growers to me as my musical taste matured. It has irked me for years that they skipped a verse of In God's Country in Rattle & Hum. Although it is still one of my least favorite songs on the album, I think Mothers of the Disappeared gave a subtle hint of where they were going to go for Achtung Baby later on, although every song on that album is better than MOTD.
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Exit is one of my faves actually.
I agree that every song is better than MOTD - but then - I can't stand football :neverusethis:
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Ah yes, those 12 cassettes for a penny deals were sweet back then, mrrct, although you'd have to pay an arm and a leg for your six in the next two years (since shipping was always outrageous).
Another interesting note about this album is that the CD long indexed One Tree Hill and Exit incorrectly. The "Oh, great ocean..." part was incorrectly indexed as the beginning of Exit, when in reality it was the end of One Tree Hill. Newer releases of the CD have apparently fixed this.
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I may have the original cd.
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I checked my copy of the CD. It has the "Oh great ocean..." part on Exit. I played the rest of the song and found it is better than I remembered it, so I upgraded it from two to three stars on my iTunes.
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I wasn't sure which Hall & Oates album to feature, since none of them are really tried and true classics, but they were too big of an 80s band to not feature at some point, so I thought I'd go with Private Eyes, being that it has "I Can't Go for That (No Can Do)," by far their biggest hit ever, in large part thanks to the crossover appeal (it was both a big pop and R&B hit). Heck, the drum beat was even "stolen" by Michael Jackson for "Billie Jean!" Turn on the radio or MTV in the first half of the 80s, and you were gonna hear and/or see a lot Darryl Hall and John Oates. So many hits, so many of which are still great tunes.
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I've never owned an album but I have their 2 cd greatest hits which is outstanding. Great songwriters that write great melodies and the harmonies are fantastic. I saw them open up for Chicago in the early 2000's and what a great show it was.
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Growing up, there were times I wondered why are they called Hall & Oates when Hall did all of the singing and was often seen playing the lead instrument and Oates did little more than act like a goofball in their videos, but obviously over time, I knew better. But, back to the videos, John Oates would rank high on my list of most entertaining video stars of the 80s. :lol :lol
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You ever see the SNL skit, Oates: Behind the music? If not, it's a must! :lol
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I have never been a big one for pop rock but these guys could write a song, never really upset my ears and there's some really strong vocals in there. My go to for them is a live soundboard I have from Inglewood Forum Dec 1984 that is like a live greatest hits.
Daryl Hall's Live from Daryl's House has some really interesting stuff from the few I have seen too.
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Holland Oates was the type of music that I liked a little more with each listen. They really captured what feels like the entire early 80s radio vibe.
I feel like Spinal Tap staring at their black album.
Nigel Tufnel: It's like, how much more melodic could this be? and the answer is none. None more melodic.
When you are young, you rebel against the hits. How dare they tell me which songs are the best on the album !!! The best song is <insert purposely picking worst song on album>. Then you really start to realize that most albums are all about a few hits and lotsa filler.
I could say that is the case with Hall N. Oates, but if you throw one of their albums on, the majority of the songs start to slowly but surely sneak into your soul. At least for me. They had lots of hits in that late 70s, early eighties run. They probably could have had even more by simply putting some more to video.
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You ever see the SNL skit, Oates: Behind the music? If not, it's a must! :lol
I'll check it out. #tommyboy
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KevShmev, Oates did sing lead on a few songs. The one I most remember is their cover of "You've Lost That Loving Feeling" earlier in their career. I am not too familiar with this album other than "I Can't Go For That," but there's probably a token Oates track on this one, I'm guessing.
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I sorta remember that video, with Oates singing. The funny thing about them is, Sara Smile was like their big breakthrough hit, but I've never thought much of it. I mean, it's okay, but if that had been out in the early 80s, I doubt it would have been on my radar much, similar to One on One, which was never much to my liking at the time back then.
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Masterful hooks on this album. I Can't Go For That is cool but I think Sunrise by Simply Red does a better job at utilizing that particular groove.
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Late reaction to Joshua Tree by U2:
Monster of an album, but it took some getting used to. Off course there are the big songs like 'streets', 'still haven't found' and 'bullet the blue sky', but the true gems to me are songs like 'exit' and especially One tree hill and Red mining town. The emotion in the vocals is increddible. 'I'm hanging on. you're all that's left to hold on to....' God, that hit home to me after my dad had died two years earlier.
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Holland Oates
I like that one. I usually go with "Haulin' Oats". Kinda sounds more like a band than a duo that way.
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Holland Oates
I like that one. I usually go with "Haulin' Oats". Kinda sounds more like a band than a duo that way.
Can't take credit.
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Charlie: No, I'm Holland Oates. You're like, Peter Gabriel.
Mac: Hall & Oates is two separate people.
Charlie: No, Holland is his first name and Oates is his last name.
Might be my favorite modern comedy. Why? The title of the above quote's episode is "Sweet Dee's Dating a Retarded Person". They aren't sure if the rapper she is dating is retarded or it is just his hip hop mannerisms that make it seem that way. And the above quote isn't even close to being the funniest parts of the show.
Ok. Back to Haulin' Oates talk.
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I love Hall & Oates. All of their albums are pretty good, so this one will do as well as any other.
Their collection Rock & Soul Pt. 1 is tremendous.
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I've always thought they should have played a sounder from some song with the St.Louis Blues teams of the late 80's with HULL and Oates, lol.
I guess per my fiancee whose a hardcore-fan, H2O is often regarded as their best or maybe most popular. But they were more of a singles band anyway I suppose.
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H&O, as with Winwood, were fairly enjoyable, but nothing I'd ever consider buying. I'd say 50/50 on whether I'd change the station if they came on the radio.
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can never go wrong with Hall & Oates.
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Holland Oates
I like that one. I usually go with "Haulin' Oats". Kinda sounds more like a band than a duo that way.
Haulin' Oats is a brand of oatmeal/granola sold at a local market here.
aaaaand it turns out Hall & Oates has recently filed suit against them. hahaha
https://consumerist.com/2015/03/06/hall-oates-sue-granola-maker-over-haulin-oats-cereal/
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I always think it's stupid when people sue over completely unrelated stuff like this. It's fucking oatmeal, and it's not called "Hall & Oates" oatmeal. So unless Darryl Hall and John Oates think people will accidentally buy some oatmeal when they meant to buy a CD, I'm not seeing the problem. They think they're cashing in on the "name"? Bad news again. They're not using the name; they're just using something that kinda sounds like it. If I were a judge, I laugh their asses out of court.
But then, I'm not a judge (which is probably a good thing), and this is the U.S. of A., where money rules over common sense anyway.
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I probably wouldn't sue either, but they are clearly profiting from the name of the band. If there was no "Hall & Oates", they wouldn't have named their product that way.
So I can't, in good conscience, defend the cereal company.
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When Brett Hull and his center Adam Oates were shining for the Blues here in the early 90s, they were referred to as Hull & Oates. Those were some great times. :hat
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When Brett Hull and his center Adam Oates were shining for the Blues here in the early 90s, they were referred to as Hull & Oates. Those were some great times. :hat
I don't remember Adam Oates, but I remember Brett Hull in the 90s when they played my local team, the Mighty Ducks. Had two sources for free tickets and went to quite a few games. One season pass was nose bleed. Another season pass was about 4-5 rows, center ice, behind the bench.
First time I went to the a game with Hull visiting my friend with the tickets immediately pointed out I need to keep an eye on Hull. Mullet ginger that would sometimes ruin our Mighty Ducks night.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/Aerosmith_Pump.jpg)
While Permanent Vacation was their comeback album, Pump was the much better and more classic Aerosmith record. Aerosmith has always been a band I liked, not loved, but "Love in an Elevator," "The Other Side" and "What It Takes" are all great songs that I can enjoy pretty much any time I hear them. The other hit, "Janie's Got a Gun," was the biggest hit from the record, IIRC, and it's another good song, even if is not one I've ever gone crazy over. I don't remember much of the rest of the album, but when I used to listen to it back in the day, I don't remember anything being skip-worthy. Good record, and certainly a classic. :hat
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THIS IS NOT A CLASSIC.
Haha nah just kidding. Like Kev, I've never been big into em, and haven't ever heard a whole album all the way through, but looking at this its clear to see that there are a fuckton of hits on this album - indeed all the songs that I knew them for when I was a child in the 90s. Killer tunes. I think it was last christmas with the family we were sitting out on the deck strumming an acoustic and singing along and someone pulled out What it Takes, what an awesome song ha.
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This is their best album from the reunion on.
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Agreed. This is a great album. Top 5 Aerosmith for me (although the other four are all from the original run: Rocks, Toys, Get Your Wings, and the self-titled).
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Pump was their last even remotely decent album, before the albums became too poppy, and all of the singles became sell-out ballads, written with or by outside song writers. There were a few songs near the end, between The Other Side and What It Takes that were skippable. I wasn't a fan of all the short interludes (Going Down, Water Song, Dulcimer Stomp) before the real songs (Elevator, Janie, Other Side).
For some reason I was unable to post album art for that particular thread, but this is one of my favorite album covers.
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I think Dulcimer Stomp is absolutely fantastic.
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Good album and one that my mind associates more with the nineties.............Googles.......Sept 89 ,so no surprise there.
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One of the albums I grew up with. Favourite song is Water Song/Janie's Got a Gun.
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I wasn't an Aerosmith fan at all prior to Permanent Vacation, and still dont love the old stuff - PV is a great album with a couple of clunkers. Pump was even better. Just quality all the way through. What It Takes is such a great ballad and Tyler kills on this album.
The follow up had its moments but since then its been downhill all the way.
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I think Dulcimer Stomp is absolutely fantastic.
I like it, too. Dulcimer is a bitch to play, so I can admire someone who can actually jam on the thing.
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Pump is an excellent album.
If I were to pick an album as an 80's classic though, I go with Permanent Vacation.
Still Pump is awesome, and I was surprised with just how heavy it was.
Good album and one that my mind associates more with the nineties.............Googles.......Sept 89 ,so no surprise there.
Same here.
This is their best album from the reunion on.
I actually love Done With Mirrors.
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This is album coincides with the peak of my beach days. The main person I would go surfing with loved this album so it was constantly on our car stereo or in our headphones if we were cycling to the beach.
Great opener with Young Lust.
Dream On will always be my favorite Aerosmith song, but this and Permanent Vacation were prime 80s Aerosmith. Sometimes I can't even remember which songs were on which album. They almost feel like they came out at the same time in retrospect.
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Great album. I got a little tired of a few of the hits (Janie, Elevator), but the rest is pretty solid. What It Takes is awesome.
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I love this album. This the only post "Rocks" album by Aerosmith that is in regular rotation on our home stereo system.
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I don't have issue with the interludes now. I did twenty-five years ago when I was a preteen with a short attention span. I think Dulcimer Stomp is cool now (better actually than The Other Side), and I can deal with the Water Song/gate closing sound effect if I were to listen to Janie's Got A Gun. In truth, I'm only going to listen to these songs if they come up on shuffle, because the album has been all played out for me for some time.
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Great album. I got a little tired of a few of the hits (Janie, Elevator), but the rest is pretty solid. What It Takes is awesome.
I was tired of those two when they were new and pumping everywhere. But they are still two pretty great songs. I just needed some time alone (a trial separation) from them to realize I love them and can't live without them. :lol
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Hmm, lots of love for "What It Takes". That's one song that I've never gotten into. Steven being whiney just doesn't work for me.
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Hmm, lots of love for "What It Takes". That's one song that I've never gotten into. Steven being whiney just doesn't work for me.
You must really dislike You See Me Crying, then. ;) :lol
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Hmm, lots of love for "What It Takes". That's one song that I've never gotten into. Steven being whiney just doesn't work for me.
You must really dislike You See Me Crying, then. ;) :lol
Both are great songs!
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Agreed! Both are among my favorites by the band. :hat
I think it also worth pointing out how fantastic Pump sounds. If it were released now, it would sound like a big wall of noise, thanks to the dip shit producers nowadays who crank everything up, but back in 1989, this sounded awesome. Every instrument sounds great and the mix has bite without being overpowering at all.
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Hmm, lots of love for "What It Takes". That's one song that I've never gotten into. Steven being whiney just doesn't work for me.
You must really dislike You See Me Crying, then. ;) :lol
Incorrect! You See Me Crying is a good song. What It Takes is not.
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What it Takes is fantastic, maybe because it's so nostalgic.
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What it Takes is fantastic, maybe because it's so nostalgic.
It is border line country pop, before country pop was even really a thing.
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??? No offense, but I don't see that at all. That's a major reach.
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??? No offense, but I don't see that at all. That's a major reach.
Sorry to hear that. Or not hear it. :angel:
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LOL. Just looked at the video and they are even referencing the countryisms of the song.
Here's a link
video (https://www.cmt.com/videos/aerosmith/737782/what-it-takes.jhtml)
That is a video link to CMT, the country version of MTV BTW.
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In the words of Tyler Durden, still not getting it...
Anyway, we move on:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Reign_in_blood.jpg)
I'll admit to never being a fan of Slayer at all. I don't really dislike them at all, so much as I have never been a fan of thrash metal. I can't say I remember anything from this record, but there is no denying that Reign in Blood is a classic, so, have at it, fans. :metal
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I don't even listen to Slayer any more for personal reasons...
...but I honestly have to admit that this is the single greatest thrash metal album in history. There is nothing that even comes remotely close to touching this. Maybe Beneath the Remains by Sepultura, but naaahhh.
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This was a huge album for me when I was getting into metal as a young teenager. I've moved on from Slayer now though and haven't listened to this in years I'd say. Should dig the cd out and see how it stacks up. It's definitely a metal classic though and probably the best thrash metal album of all time.
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I appreciate it as a classic ........just hearing it brings back memories of the time.......and I have the album ,but I rarely if ever feel the need to play Slayer. I always preferred a slightly more melodic style of thrash with a bit more going on the vocal department.
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What it Takes is fantastic, maybe because it's so nostalgic.
It is border line country pop, before country pop was even really a thing.
Way, way off here.
Slayer. Never got it. Never will.
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LOL. Just looked at the video and they are even referencing the countryisms of the song.
Here's a link
video (https://www.cmt.com/videos/aerosmith/737782/what-it-takes.jhtml)
That is a video link to CMT, the country version of MTV BTW.
I can see that. I always feel like Aerosmith, at times, goes borderline on country in some songs for some reason.
Heck, that's why I can see Steven Tyler do well in country. He seems to fit well in the role in this particular video. It's a video of the single of his upcoming country solo album. I don't mind it. Sure, the video and song is a bit bland and is like today's country pop, but at least, he looks and sounds nice enough and doesn't look out of place other than his age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0n40GVcj64
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not much of a Slayer fan
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Mine is not that usual story of becoming a Slayer fan (although fan is probably too strong a term for me).
I was saving up for my first guitar over the summer of 1989. To hold me over until that day, I was purchasing Guitar FTPM magazines because they had the most guitar transcriptions. One of those magazines was July 1989
(https://www.musicmansteve.com/Maghome/images/gJul89.gif)
I was already practicing sightreading so I'd look at the music and play it in my head. Some friend had already played Slayer for me and it was too "wall of noise" for me to get into. When you are young, you have time on your hands to go over every single transcription since you only have 4 or 6 until the next month. The Slayer song intro really intrigued me, even though I only had a rough version in my head.
It was one of the first things I tried to play once I finally bought that first guitar. My guitar buddy had a delay pedal, so I borrowed it and would practice playing the harmonies by myself as the first measure I played repeated and I played guitar part 2.
Another cool thing about Slayer is they really panned the two guitarists hard left and hard right. The songs very different if you turn off one side (which you do for ear training / transcribing).
So the first time I heard a Slayer song I truly liked, I was playing it on guitar before I ever heard the actual Slayer recording.
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It's definitely a classic of the genre, but I'm not a Slayer fan, or much of a thrash fan in general. The title track is kind of fun in a silly bonehead headbanging kind of way, but overall I can't take it too seriously and wouldn't go out of my way to listen to it.
I always preferred a slightly more melodic style of thrash with a bit more going on the vocal department.
Likewise, the vocals are an important one for me. Without that, early thrash just sounds like a competition to see who can play the E string the fastest to me. :dunno:
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It is border line country pop, before country pop was even really a thing.
Way, way off here.
Some things are a matter of opinion, but others are not. The song prominently uses the major pentatonic and specifically emphasizes a staple of country ... the major 6th.
And all I had to do was google aerosmith what it takes country and up comes:
Song Facts (https://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=8343)
This song is about breaking up with a girlfriend and wanting to know what it takes to get over it. When they started putting it together, is sounded like a lovelorn, twangy Country song, which they remedied by adding electric guitars.
Or
Rolling Stone article (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/steven-tyler-signs-with-big-machine-to-release-country-album-20150406)
And had they been released today, songs like "What It Takes," off 1989's Pump, and Cryin'," from 1993's Get a Grip, would vie for country radio airplay.
But mainly, just use your ears.
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And Bonus Jovi did a full album of supposed country songs be it was a rock album. A touch of twang does not equate country music.
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Slayer are very, very good at what they do, and this album is perhaps the finest example of what they do best.
However, what they do best just doesn't appeal to me all that much.
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Am I really going to be one of the few people who've posted so far that Reign in Blood kicks ass? Really?! You're gonna let a GIRL show y'all up? (lol)
Anyway - from start to finish, this one is brutal, in your face, LOUD.... and I love it. I've loved RiB since I was 17. Yes, it's samey... yes, the "vocals" are more screaming than anything else... but I remember blasting the cassette (ssshhhh) in my room repeatedly, much to the chagrin of my dad's second wife (who was being a real bitch at that time and it was pretty much the beginning of the end for her with my father, but that's another story altogether) and her older sister hehehe. Fast forward to 2003--I remember seeing them here in Austin when they were playing RiB in its entirety live. Single LOUDEST concert I've ever been to, and I was wearing earplugs. Good times.
I'll still spin this from time to time, as it makes REALLY good "pissed off" music lol. :biggrin:
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You're gonna let a GIRL show y'all up?
No need for that. We've always known that girls, or WOMEN, have always had questionable taste in music. :lol
Fast forward to 2003--I remember seeing them here in Austin when they were playing RiB in its entirety live. Single LOUDEST concert I've ever been to, and I was wearing earplugs. Good times.
Slayer's concert mystique is not an exaggeration. They went on after Alice in Chains (loved 'em), Anthrax (loved 'em) and Megadeth (loved 'em) when I saw them with the Clash of the Titans tour. And Slayer (appreciated 'em) stole the day. You don't just watch Slayer, you watch the entire amphitheater. They have a connection to their fan base that might be unrivaled. No might be that night.
BTW, it is a "have to be there" thing. I think that mystique is exactly that. It can't be captured on a 2D video. It takes full immersion.
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Hey, you be nice - I was joking. :lol
Slayer's concert mystique is not an exaggeration. They went on after Alice in Chains (loved 'em), Anthrax (loved 'em) and Megadeth (loved 'em) when I saw them with the Clash of the Titans tour. And Slayer (appreciated 'em) stole the day. You don't just watch Slayer, you watch the entire amphitheater. They have a connection to their fan base that might be unrivaled. No might be that night.
BTW, it is a "have to be there" thing. I think that mystique is exactly that. It can't be captured on a 2D video. It takes full immersion.
I definitely agree - a Slayer concert isn't just a concert, it's really more of an experience. VERY cool that you got to see them with Anthrax and AiC. :tup
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It is border line country pop, before country pop was even really a thing.
Way, way off here.
Some things are a matter of opinion, but others are not. The song prominently uses the major pentatonic and specifically emphasizes a staple of country ... the major 6th.
And all I had to do was google aerosmith what it takes country and up comes:
Song Facts (https://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=8343)
This song is about breaking up with a girlfriend and wanting to know what it takes to get over it. When they started putting it together, is sounded like a lovelorn, twangy Country song, which they remedied by adding electric guitars.
Or
Rolling Stone article (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/steven-tyler-signs-with-big-machine-to-release-country-album-20150406)
And had they been released today, songs like "What It Takes," off 1989's Pump, and Cryin'," from 1993's Get a Grip, would vie for country radio airplay.
But mainly, just use your ears.
Like the stuff you quoted that you googled? :lol
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Slayer are very, very good at what they do, and this album is perhaps the finest example of what they do best.
However, what they do best just doesn't appeal to me all that much.
They pretty much do one thing full stop. They're like Motorhead or AC/DC. You already know what a "new" song will sound like.
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Slayer are very, very good at what they do, and this album is perhaps the finest example of what they do best.
However, what they do best just doesn't appeal to me all that much.
They pretty much do one thing full stop. They're like Motorhead or AC/DC. You already know what a "new" song will sound like.
I don't know if I agree. Every one of their 80's albums were quite different.
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They were all released in VERY different years :neverusethis:
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True!
Show No Mercy is classic thrash.
Hell Awaits and Reing In Blood are fairly similar I'll give you that.
South Of Heaven is much more groove based and a bit slower in style.
And of course Seasons is the best of everything!
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Like the stuff you quoted that you googled? :lol
The "way, way off" comments were obviously way, way off. Obviously, many people, including those that listen to various music styles as a career recognize it. And the reason they recognize it isn't because a twang.
But harmonic structure is not an opinion. Some people can hear what they call *twang* and not know what is actually happening other than their "twang" understanding. And others can hear melodic and harmonic elements that has a general agreement of which style it evokes.
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True!
Show No Mercy is classic thrash.
Hell Awaits and Reing In Blood are fairly similar I'll give you that.
South Of Heaven is much more groove based and a bit slower in style.
And of course Seasons is the best of everything!
Hell Awaits and Reign in Blood are as different as night and day.
Hell Awaits is the most "progressive" album they've ever done. Longer arrangements, slower breakdowns, and a more doomy approach overall. Reign in Blood is short, fast, to the point, unbridled adrenaline rush, balls to the wall aggression.
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True!
Show No Mercy is classic thrash.
Hell Awaits and Reing In Blood are fairly similar I'll give you that.
South Of Heaven is much more groove based and a bit slower in style.
And of course Seasons is the best of everything!
Hell Awaits and Reign in Blood are as different as night and day.
Hell Awaits is the most "progressive" album they've ever done. Longer arrangements, slower breakdowns, and a more doomy approach overall. Reign in Blood is short, fast, to the point, unbridled adrenaline rush, balls to the wall aggression.
Yes you are right. Typing too fast I guess. Reign In Blood might actually be my least favorite of all of them, as a whole, though it has 3 or 4 of their best songs.
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When talking about songs you could not avoid in the 80s, "Fast Car" was one of those songs. I didn't like it, and not because it was overplayed, but because it always bored me. That kind of folk rock is often a big miss for me, and this is no different in that regard. To me, it always sounded like talking over an acoustic riff that was eerily similar to a prominent melody from "Jack and Diane" by John Mellencamp. Anyway, regardless of my ambivalence towards it, Tracy Chapman's self-titled record has held up over time as a classic, apparently.
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I think that "Fast Car" has lasted as an 80s classic song, but I'm not sure how well-regarded the entire album is.
At any rate, I think that Chapman is a talented songwriter, but of her stuff that I've heard, she is very hit or miss for me - mostly miss.
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Didn't like it then. Don't like it now.
And probably all boils down to the dreaded word you brought up: folk. I'm just not into anything that can be considered folk.
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The song Wasn't bad but I never owned her albums. I saw her live at a Radio ran festival and found her music to samey.
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I have no opinion on this album but before seeing a video for Fast Car, I assumed this song was sung by a dude.
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I have no opinion on this album but before seeing a video for Fast Car, I assumed this song was sung by a dude.
Yes. That was totally the talk at the time. Somebody eventually saw the video and said "it's a chick ... not a dude .... at least I'm pretty sure .... maybe I should watch it again"
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I don't see the convo on that one going anywhere, so let's move on and make certain peeps happy. :biggrin:
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I've never been a fan of The Cure, but I get that they have a big following, and Disintegration has long been an album considered a classic; I'm just not a fan. Anyway, discuss away!
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I ***LOVE*** this album. I'm amazed that I haven't picked up every single Cure album as a result. Every album I've heard, I've loved. But for some reason, there still some major gaps in my Cure collection.
Nevertheless, this album is just wall to wall awesome sauce. Makes me want to get the 2 disc remastered version. Any Cure fans want to chime in on the sound quality of the remaster?
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It sounds good. I can't compare it to the original since I only have the remastered, but I think it's worth the upgrade If only for the extra disc.
I love this album, although from 80s, I'd put Pornography, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me above Disintegration. Fascination Street, Pictures of You, and Lovesong. All great tracks.
The background for this album is fairly interesting, since Robert hated how big the band had gotten. They were selling out stadiums in the U.S. and were playing for 50,000-60,000 people a night and he broke down, reverted back to using LSD and wanted to return the band to their dark sound amidst the turmoil in the band. The result is this fine album.
The thing about The Cure is that they kept releasing good material and Robert Smith still sounds like he did back then. I don't think there is a horrible Cure record.
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Love The Cure, love this album, my favorite from this decade and probably will be in my top 10 until they day i die.
Fascination Street, Pictures of You, and Lovesong. All great tracks.
And Lullaby, don't forget Lullaby :P
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One of the best albums ever definitely. :hat
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The Cure along with Pixies and The Smiths are the best thing to come out of the 80s. Still very influential to this date. This album is easily my fav from them just because of how it can be both a love album or a breakup album at the same time. So yeah,as a 17 year old during his first relationship/break up this record was the best thing for me. But even since I've moved on,I still can spin this album any day. I love this fuckin record.
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I never was really a fan but when I saw them live on this album's tour it gave me a new appreciation for their craft.
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Probably my favorite Cure album. Love it from beginning to end. And the opener Plainsong is easily my favorite from the album.
Even though I love every song, the first 7 songs are what make this album my favorite.
But I wasn't a Cure fan when this came out in 1989. And not because I was unaware. Fascination Street and Love Song seemed to dominate MTV. Almost every friend from Jr. High ended up going to a different High School, so I recall that almost everybody I sat next to in class was totally new to me. The girl that ended up next to me in my honors classes was a goth chick and constantly tried to convert me to The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees and a few other goth bands. I was into guitar shredder music and had no time for that goth stuff. It was way too depressing. I kinda liked the singles from this album, but convinced myself it wasn't for me. I mean I had just discovered Jason Becker's Perpetual Burn, so that was my mindset at the time of what music had to be.
Then my friend and I went to The Crow movie years later and I loved the NIN cover of Dead Souls so much that I bought the soundtrack. The first song was The Cure's Burn. Favorite Cure song. It made me re-evalute The Cure, so I thought back to the goth chick and what I remembered from back then, which led me to Disintegration because I saw Fascination Street and clearly remembered that being one of the songs from that time. Probably pure luck that I began my Cure rediscovery with this album because Plainsong had me a full on fan before it even ended.
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Ya....I dismissed them in high school because of stupid teenage "lines in the sand"...
I heard the album first a couple years after HS and Plainsong just hooked me right away. I suppose even then my prog mentallity was showing. Because, while I can't deny the strength of the first seven tracks, I tend to be partial towards the final five. Especially Prayers for Rain and The Same Deep Water. Regardless, this album is truly a home run.
And yes, I love Pornography as well....and it's nothing short of a crime that I don't own the Trilogy DVD yet, because I love Bloodflowers as well. Those are probably my top 3 all time Cure albums (of the ones I've heard, anyway).
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Another band that is unquestionably great at what they do, but what they do just doesn't resonate with me at all.
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Probably the best Cure album - Pornography is more consistent, but Disintegration has got the stronger songs. Lullaby through the title-track is arguably one of the greatest 5-song runs in the history of rock. :hefdaddy
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And yes, I love Pornography as well....and it's nothing short of a crime that I don't own the Trilogy DVD yet, because I love Bloodflowers as well. Those are probably my top 3 all time Cure albums (of the ones I've heard, anyway).
Actually, that fantastic DVD is what got me into the Cure :hefdaddy
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And yes, I love pornography as well....
fixed it for you. :p
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We need some more post punk up in this thread. Joy Division already! :)
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Ask and you shall receive!
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I don't know the first thing about this album, but reading a quick synopsis of it online tells me that this is a highly-regarded classic, so go nuts for Joy Division's Closer! :biggrin:
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I was never into this band. I heard so much about them but I was into more of bands like The Fixx, Simple Minds & Big Country.
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Let me find out who they are first before I go nuts
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Meh. Never rated Joy Division personally, but I've never delved into them.
Someone who likes this album should tell me why it's a classic and why I should listen to it, go.
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At first I raised an eyebrow because I forgot they had an album in the 80s--just barely though. The only track that resonated with me on this album was Love Will Tear Us Apart. I prefer Unknown Pleasures Mainly for She's Lost Control and Shadowplay
This was the song and video that got me into them. I love Ian's dance moves and the drummer has crazy stamina.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBt3mJtgJc (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6dBt3mJtgJc)
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Meh. Never rated Joy Division personally, but I've never delved into them.
Someone who likes this album should tell me why it's a classic and why I should listen to it, go.
This. I think I once listened to a Joy Division song tho,and thought it was a bit uninspired. And had a bad production :lol
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Someone who likes this album should tell me why it's a classic and why I should listen to it, go.
I was going to type the same thing. I'm on YouTube going through the album tracks and the drums seem like the most interesting thing going on.
Otherwise, I feel like I found the White Stripes of the 70s/80s.
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Joy Division is a great band, and unfortunately they only released two albums, but both are considered classics. I definitely like Closer slightly more than Unknown Pleasures. It feels a bit more experimental and has some more things going on, whereas the debut is a bit closer to following a structure. The band and post-punk in general might not be for everyone, it's fairly dark, depressive and I guess in many ways I think they influenced the darker aspects of artists/bands like Steven Wilson or Anathema, that dark hopelessness and emotional sadness is definitely something Joy Division did, and perfected in the late 70s, early 80s.
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Joy Division is definitely an acquired taste.
Personally, I had never heard of them until I read James O'Barr's comic book series The Crow (which was later adapted to several films and a crappy TV show, among other things). It's a depressing story, partially based on real-life events and the music of bands like Joy Division, which led me to check them out.
Dark and depressing, like nothing good has ever happened to these guys. It's good, but I have to be in the mood for it, and I am rarely in that mood.
IMO, they are better than the Cure (whatever that means).
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Good album, the last four tracks here are quite amazing.
Shame that they only had two albums though. At least, New Order replaced them.
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I feel like I found the White Stripes of the 70s/80s.
If that were true, then I would love them. But I feel like it's not true.
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One of my favorite albums of all time. Seriously depressing amazing post punk. ANYONE should listen to Joy Division. Seriously. Do it now.
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Recommended by The Curious Orange:
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I really need to hear this. I have always heard good things about Kate Bush and Hounds of Love, but have just never checked her or that album out. Come on, fans, make me want to hear this. :biggrin:
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If you can get past the slight baby doll voice her music is lush and full of dimension.
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I only like Jig of Life here ;D
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I am only familiar with three of her songs: Rubberband Girl, This Woman's Work, and Running Up That Hill (off this album). I was never able to tolerate her voice, although I recognize that she is an icon in the postmodern/alternative world. I like both Placebo's and Within Temptation's version of Running Up That Hill better than hers.
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I used to know a chick that was REALLY into Kate Bush.
I can't stand Kate Bush. I'm sure there are lots of things to like about her, but I can't stand her voice, so I'm just not going to listen to it again.
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I remember not liking Peter Gabriel's Don't Give Up a lot cause Kate Bush's voice sounded too "young" or something; it was like a 10-year old's voice. I didn't go nuts over the song until I saw the live version with Paula Cole singing the female lead instead of Bush (and that is my go-to version of it now). So yeah, I know what you mean about her voice, although my experience is admittedly pretty limited with her.
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Marks off just for inspiring Angra to stuff up an almost perfect album with that awful version of Wuthering Heights. :)
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Kate Bush. Aware of the name. Aware of the songs at the time, but quickly forgotten. I checked her out again with this thread, and I doubt anything will stick with me, so I'll be back in the same boat in the near future of recognizing her name, but not much more.
Broadway Pop.
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Discipline is often one of the examples I use of albums I thought sucked the first time I heard it, but I grew to love. Why I kept listening after hating it, I don't know, but I am glad I did. It's so different from the classic King Crimson material of the late 60s and 70s, that I can only imagine the reaction of existing fans in 1981, many of whom had to be thinking, "King Crimson went new wave??" :lol :lol As usual with every incarnation of the band, the playing is off the charts great - the playing alone of Tony Levin on this record is :hefdaddy :hefdaddy - and while I think they have the tendency to have trouble finding a melody at times, this album has memorable melodies all over the place. Great, classic record.
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Actually, while I think the majority of 60's-70's Crimson fans shook their heads at this one, I remember very clearly being quite impressed by it. My college roommate and I were serious, serious progheads. We met in 1980, our freshman year, and bonded over a steady diet of 70's prog on my turntable (and a certain combustible intoxicant).
There are many kinds of prog; some would say that it's a specific type of music, or a specific style, or a certain attitude, or a certain approach, and all would be at least partially correct. But to me, one important aspect of prog is to keep pushing, keep trying new things. The Chapman Stick was still a very new instrument at the time, but Tony Levin embraced it and is now The Stickman. I knew Adrian Belew from his tenure with Frank Zappa's band in the late 70's (Sheik Yerbouti and others), and of course Bill Bruford was the lone carryover from the 70's King Crimson.
We were excited to hear what this quartet could do, and we were not disappointed. Fripp had never shared guitar duties with anyone in Crimson before, but he did here, and to great effect. Adrian Belew, of course, was Zappa's first "stunt guitarist" before he officially recognized the position. Yes, this album was quite different, but that was part of the point. Fripp said that when the 70's band broke up (disintegrated, self-destructed, etc.), he figured King Crimson was done forever, but this band, which he originally had called Discipline, had much of the same spirit, it excited and inspired him in the same way, and thus it was in his mind worthy of the name King Crimson. So the band became the new King Crimson, and "Discipline" instead became the title track of the album.
I think this is my favorite King Crimson album.
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This is my favorite King Crimson album primarily because of Bill Bruford hitting a crazy gear.
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This is my favorite King Crimson album primarily because of Bill Bruford hitting a crazy gear.
That too!
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Fantastic Album. When I first heard Discipline in college (bought it as soon as it waa released), I thought it sounded like the Talking Heads on steroids. Kinda disappointed that none of their subsequent albums came close to matching this one.
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Definitely my favourite KC. Maybe a three way tie with Red and TOAPP. Fantastic album.
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Probably my favorite KC album other than Red.
And to argue from the other direction than Outcrier has in these threads, while this is certainly a fantastic album that came out in the 80s, I don't think of this as an "80s classic" like the other albums discussed in the thread.
But that's cool.
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Discipline is often one of the examples I use of albums I thought sucked the first time I heard it, but I grew to love.
Exactly this. These songs mean so much to me now that I'm shocked at how much I disliked this album at first. Especially Thela Hun Ginjeet...it seemed like a cheap Talking Heads ripoff at the time but now I love it.
Great album!